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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 20, 2005
    Countdown - Wednesday January 19 2005 (8:00-9:00 pm Eastern)

    'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for January 19

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Read the transcript to the 8 p.m. ET show
    Updated: TRANSCRIPT PENDING

    Topics/Guests:

    INAUGURATION PREVIEW-WHAT CAN PRESIDENT BUSH ACCOMPLISH IN HIS SECOND TERM?: Michael Duffy, Washington bureau chief, Time magazine

    THE U.S. WILL SHIFT FROM FIGHTING TO TRAINING IN IRAQ: Rick Francona, MSNBC military analyst

    WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE IRAQI ELECTIONS?: Robin Wright, diplomatic correspondent, Washington Post

    OLBYWATCH GUIDE: To borrow a phrase coined on this site, KO began the show with another spectaluar 'Olbyconvergience' when he jumped from the video of Brett Scallions at the Inaugural Youth concert to... "Should we scale back the Inauguration?" Never mind the fact this has been an American tradition dating back to our first President, George Washington. KO has more faith in LA Times polls than american tradition. He then declared that President Bush is already off to a 'bumpy start' in his second term and later stated it was an "apparently misdirected start". Did I miss the inauguration? I didn't know the Presidents second term had begun already.

    I did enjoy Jennifer Grossman (former speechwriter for President George H.W. Bush). She did a good job of discussing the Presidents view of freedom and faith and how that would play into his inaugural speech.

    I am very disappointed that our vote fraud hawk was completely silent on the new revelations coming out of Wisconsin regarding vote fraud. Combined with KO's lack of interest in the Washington Governors race, it is becoming clear that the non partisan vote hound does not hunt in blue states. Where's the concern for Wisconsin, Keith?

    KO replayed Jim Maceda's NBC report on the Iraqi elections and made a brief comment that the election was sure to end in 'bloodshed'. Thanks for the optimism, Keith. KO apparently thinks that freedom comes without sacrifice. He should take a look at American history and give thanks to those who shed blood so he could pick and choose which (red) state he wants to complain about voting irregularities in.

    KO reluctantly reported that exit pollsters admitted there were 'mistakes in the early raw data that favored John Kerry'. He didn't disappoint his DU audience when he slipped in "20% of the population will never believe this". He then explained that part of the reason for the mistake was Bush supporters were less likely to particpate in the extit polls. It had to be a republicans fault those polls were wrong! Thanks for clarifying that, KO!

    KO then took the time to review America's worst inauguration experiences throughout history. He ended the show with this dig at President Bush: "One thing I can guarantee about the President's speech tomorrow, it wont match George Washington's 135 word Inagaural speech. But we can always dream". I can make the same gaurantee about KO's show tomorrow night. But I can dream to.

    Am I hallucinating, or did KO just make it through the entire show without mentioning Armstrong Williams?


    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (18) | | View blog reactions

    18 Comments

    TJackson,

    I haven't seen anything recently about the vote in Wisconsin and I can't find anything on Google.

    Mind posting a link?

    Cecelia-

    Sorry for the delayed response (Work!). Also, sorry for not including this in the original post. I'm new to this, so I'll get better as time goes by. Anyways, here are the links you requested. There's alot of good info on Wisconsin.

    The best is MichelleMalkin.com her post "WISCONSIN'S ELECTION FRAUD SCANDAL: WHERE'S THE MSM/DEM OUTRAGE?" on 1-17.
    Also:
    http://polipundit.com/wp-comments-popup.php?p=6094&c=1#comments
    http://mytwocommoncents.blogspot.com/2005/01/john-fund-on-wisconsin.html#comments
    http://mytwocommoncents.blogspot.com/2005/01/pushing-in-wi-roundup.html#comments

    These are all very good. The basic point is: Wisconsin allows same day registration without ID if someone 'vouches' for you. people were being bused in by the thousands and signed up on the spot and now it is being revealed that over 10,000 votes were cast illegally in Milwaukee alone. Kerry won Wisconsin by a little over 11,000 votes.

    No problem, Trey.

    I've been busy watching Chris Matthews have a psychological break-down today.

    Cecelia, you are most certainly a stronger person than I am... I was only able to stomach about 5 minutes of MSNBC tonight before switching channels.

    Let me know what you think about the shenanigans going on in Wisconsin once you have had a chance to look over it.

    What a great day!

    TJ,

    "WISCONSIN'S ELECTION FRAUD SCANDAL: WHERE'S THE MSM/DEM OUTRAGE?" Where was the REPUBLICAN "outrage" in Ohio? Man, am I tired of all the sanctimony.

    Thanks for the links, but if I were you, I wouldn't go gettin' all excited just yet. The Wisconsin evidence, to me, seems far flimsier and the problems appear less pervasive than what was reported here in Ohio. Perhaps this is the "tip of the iceberg". If the allegations reach critical mass, maybe something will come of them. If so, I, for one--an Ohio Democrat-- completely support a complete investigation and will welcome its outcome. Election reform SHOULD be a bipartisan issue. Why should scoundrels be party-exclusive? I hope the Wisconsin Reddies get all "churned up" over this.

    BTW, as near as I can tell, today your man was made "Deputy Dawg" for the next 4 years. To paraphrase your paraclete, Sean Hannity, "You WON! Get OVER it!!" Cheeez!

    Paul-

    To my understanding, Ohio was counted, recounted and investigated. I would direct you to a link from Olbermanwatch: http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/002239.html#comments

    My point here is simply that the MSM - more importantly -KO- simply find no interest in vote fraud allegations unless it is a red state in question.

    Trust me when I say this, we republicans support fair and open elections. We do not support allowing dead people to vote, allowing same day registration from people without ID or proof of residence or allowing felons to vote. We all want every vote to count. Republicans just seem more interested in making sure the votes that are cast are legal.

    As for your comment that "You WON! Get OVER it!!" I think you might be missing the point of this blog. We haven't "won" until we expose KO for the partisan liberal hack that he is and remove his show (democratic advertisement) from television.

    Hopefully you will agree that KO has no place hosting a political show of any nature. The ratings agree with this analysis.

    BTW- where's the democratic outrage in Washington's Governors race?

    I just cannot, in good conscience, allow KO to self proclaim himself to be a non-partisan watch dog of voting irregularities and then confine his stories to only Ohio.

    Trey,

    I agree, the context for discussing voting irregularities has been to highlight Olbermann's bias.

    However, I don't join you in your goal of wanting him off the air. I think he performs a vital public service in that his overtly partisan mentality is probably a good indication the covert mindset of his colleagues. As intelligent and skillful a writer as Olbermann is, he'd still never have the credibility he has if he were snarking on ...say...the Clinton White House instead of the Bush one.

    Olbermann gets away with a lot because he says what they'd like to say. He's a pretty good barometer of media sentiment. Long may he expose himself (and them)--- figuratively speaking... :D

    Cecelia,

    I hope we can agree to disagree about whether the plug should be pulled on KO.

    I think it is his sarcastic and demeaning tone that just drives me nuts. Whatever happens, I am sure that there will always be someone there to give us a 'barometer of media sentiment'. I mean, they did have Geraldo filling the same time slot!

    But, knowing my luck, MSNBC would probably replace him with Ron Reagan Jr. or give Maureen Dowd a show. Ouch. That would be a nightmare!

    We also could always fall back on softball -or- lardball if you prefer.

    I think you're mistaken, Trey. What Ohio had was a public airing of grievances, provided by a congressional protest. Had the debate subsequent to that protest warranted it, a full congressional investigation would have followed. If I err, forgive me. As a dem, I could assert that we don't support mass murderers, anarchists, pederasts or French Poodles to vote, which I believe to be true but alas, can't actually prove. Have you recent proof of dead or felonious dems voting? If so, cough it up.

    Let me make sure I understand the wisdom of your logic. Keith's not popular, so he should be banned from TV (is it just TV , or does this extend as well to all media)? Popularity should determine relative value. If people aren't watching, let's run the rascal off the air. But don't stop there. Get rid of all the pesky local rags in favor of those that have the greatest circulation. While we're at it, let's eschew all mom and pop resaurants in favor of big chains. Let's dump elections altogether and just do a presidential "People's Choice" awards.

    The networks dish up a mind-numbing procession of inane reality TV to a voracious public who lap it up like rabid dogs. Does that mean we deserve to be eternally insulted by such garbage? Public taste is fickle and the mass palette notoriously banal. We've paid homage to such essential commodities as pet rocks, designer jeans and Brittany Spears. You confuse our apparently insatiable appetite for pop culture with our need for information, and you're not alone. 24-hour cable "news" turns killers into icons.

    I'm not saying KO's right or wrong. I see why you villify him, that is, I understand your reasoning, but am afraid I can't agree with you. The world is full of pretenders, and if he's one, his being a public figure makes him an easy target. I do, however decry your apparent desire to move toward a monolithic media. America was born of dissent and I believe we'll die without it.

    You concluded, "I just cannot, in good conscience, allow KO to self proclaim himself to be a non-partisan watch dog of voting irregularities and then confine his stories to only Ohio." Self proclaim himself...? Reading this gave me a hernia. And your sanctimony gives me a headache. Is still okay to take aspirin? There have been so many reports on pain killers lately, it's confusing. WWRD (What would Rush do?)

    "BTW- where's the democratic outrage in Washington's Governors race?" At least MSM reported this. Please stop accusing your opponents of behavior you obviously feel your're above. Winners don't need justice...just us losers.

    Paul-

    Let me start by saying that I am capable of speaking with those of dissenting opinions without getting a headache or hernia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ohio 'investigation' was debated in both houses and then refuted. Why? I suspect the evidence was not present. At least that was John Kerrys view.

    As for KO- I think it is his sarcastic and blatant partisan attitude that has lead to his poor ratings. KO himself proclaimed he was 'non-partisan'. I'm just pointing out where I find fault with that statement.

    I do not want to see a 'monolithic media'. I do, however, apreciate truth in journalism. Rush, Hannity et. al at least are honest with their audiences and admit their political bias. I don't have to agree with Al Franken's views, but I respect the fact that he doesn't attempt to mislead people into believing he is non-partisan and just reporting news.

    I do respect the views of those who are open with their bias and not attempting (like KO) to propogate their views under the hidden disguise of news.

    Everyone deserves justice and let's be honest: Washington has not received 1/10 of the media coverage/scrutiny that Ohio did. I think the American people will respect voting concerns when they are evenly investigated. I fear, however, the public smells a rat when a party continually chooses to only want to investigate one state. Are we to believe 49 states get it right every year except the state that put George Bush into office?

    In closing, I think this is why Cecelia wants KO to stay on-air and I like seeing the opposing view as well. It allows people to see both views and make their own decision.

    I hope we can agree that pundits and 'news anchors' as KO calls himself, are different. News anchors should report news, not their politcal views.

    Paul-

    Let me start by saying that I am capable of speaking with those of dissenting opinions without getting a headache or hernia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ohio 'investigation' was debated in both houses and then refuted. Why? I suspect the evidence was not present. At least that was John Kerrys view.

    As for KO- I think it is his sarcastic and blatant partisan attitude that has lead to his poor ratings. KO himself proclaimed he was 'non-partisan'. I'm just pointing out where I find fault with that statement.

    I do not want to see a 'monolithic media'. I do, however, apreciate truth in journalism. Rush, Hannity et. al at least are honest with their audiences and admit their political bias. I don't have to agree with Al Franken's views, but I respect the fact that he doesn't attempt to mislead people into believing he is non-partisan and just reporting news.

    I do respect the views of those who are open with their bias and not attempting (like KO) to propogate their views under the hidden disguise of news.

    Everyone deserves justice and let's be honest: Washington has not received 1/10 of the media coverage/scrutiny that Ohio did. I think the American people will respect voting concerns when they are evenly investigated. I fear, however, the public smells a rat when a party continually chooses to only want to investigate one state. Are we to believe 49 states get it right every year except the state that put George Bush into office?

    In closing, I think this is why Cecelia wants KO to stay on-air and I like seeing the opposing view as well. It allows people to see both views and make their own decision.

    I hope we can agree that pundits and 'news anchors' as KO calls himself, are different. News anchors should report news, not their politcal views.

    Paul-

    Sorry for the double post. I will have to fix that later. As for 'dead people' voting, check out soundpolitics.com. They have been covering the Washington Governors race and have found evidence of all types of irregularities, including but not limited to, dead people voting.

    Take care,

    Trey,

    Again, my understnding: The official protest was needed to get a two-hour debate, which found no substantive reason to investigate. It's arguable that the debate was sufficient to determine this, but that's the law and we must accept its conclusion. Your contention was "Ohio was counted, recounted and investigated", which, on its face is true enough. However, Ken Blackwell imposed conditions on the recount that were, at the very least, contentious and at most, illegal. The local "investigations" were hastily conducted and cursory in many areas. My understanding is that a FULL investigation would have followed if the debate had successfully convinced Congress that it was warranted, which it failed to do. This is a minor point, and if I'm "all wet," please show me. Whether a full investigation would have reversed anything, to many, will remain a matter of opinion. You can bemoan it and cast aspersions on those who feel this way, but I think it's a waste of time.

    Could the fact that Washington State election abnormalities may have received "1/10" the media attention of Ohio (which, other than that brought by KO initially was absent in the MSM) have anything to do with the fact that the Washington outcome affected a gubernatorial race in the 15th most populated state in the union v. that of a national presidential race? Are you serious? Do you ascribe equal gravity here?

    The consensus regarding the mutual loathing of KO as depicted here seems to rest on 2 contentions: 1) That KO, being an "anchor" v. an openly "honest" partisan pundit, has no right to inject his partisan opinions/sarcasm/humor into his reports; and 2) that KO has openly claimed to be non-partisan.

    Regarding the latter, being new to "Countdown" and only recently hearing of KO, I've asked on this site for a citation supporting your oft echoed contention, "KO himself proclaimed he was 'non-partisan'." Can you please supply this?

    BTW, thanks not going "postal" on me. Even though I don't agree with you on many points, I do appreciate the civility you project.

    Paul-

    I promise to never go 'postal'! I enjoy spirited debate, and apreciate the thoroughness of your arguments. Here's the link you requested RE: KO claims to be non partisan.

    http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/041130glaser/

    Here are my favorite two excerpts:

    "Relative to my being first, I think it's largely because I'm not a full-time political guy and not a partisan" .... "My thought is that there are three components in the two-party system: Republicans, Democrats, and Voters."

    KO: I'm not political. I don't vote -- I don't believe journalists covering politics should (and I don't think the democracy would suffer if however many of us there are, recused ourselves). I have no more interest in the political outcome of an election than I did in the winner or loser of any ballgame I ever covered. I think transparency is vital; I think it's also, in these super-heated political times, unintentionally inescapable. If a reporter's work in turn winds up criticizing a candidate or party in some cases, and praising that same candidate or party in others, he's as close to neutral as he can be. If not, he's a partisan. The partisans outnumber the neutrals 1000:1.

    Where is KO's concern for 'voters' outside of Ohio? Where is his 'praising' coverage of the President or any republican, that would make his coverage 'neutral'?

    I just think his on air actions invalidate these statements, which lead me to my opinion that KO attempts to push his political bias under the cover of news -or- he has a problem telling the truth.

    Check out the whole interview and let me know how you think it meshes with his on air conduct.

    best wishes,

    JD,

    Thanks. I had been told this exchange had been posted on Olbywatch but was unable to locate it--and no one else had provided it.

    Given these statements, and taking them verbatum against what I've seen of KO's on-air behavior, I would be inclined to agree with you. It does make me wonder if this is an isolated statement/incident, perhaps one he perhaps regrets, or if it truly represents his self-image. If the latter is the case, I think your suspicions are well-founded.

    Having acknowledge this, suppose KO fesses up; comes clean about the inaccuracy of these statements in relation to the way he reports the news. He admits to being sympathetic to the dems and becomes openly partisan. No longer an "anchor," would you accept him as a lefty pundit, or is he forever damned as a hack? I suspect O'Reilly may have been legitimate at one time, perhaps even Rush was.

    I agree with you re Franken (except that I often agree with him). He's clearly opinionated but I believe he earnestly tries to confirm things he reports as fact. I can't admit that I feel the same is true of his competitors.

    Any belief can be taken to extremes. People start letting suspicion rule out reason. Generalizations and labels replace intellect and individuals. Watching some of the protesters yesterday made me wince, even though others made me want to holler "hell, yeah!" I think most of us are somewhere in the middle, but the middle is ill-defined and poorly represented these days.

    JD, sorry I missed this...

    --I think it is his sarcastic and demeaning tone that just drives me nuts. Whatever happens, I am sure that there will always be someone there to give us a 'barometer of media sentiment'. I mean, they did have Geraldo filling the same time slot!--

    I, too feel KO could be less "expressive".

    Also, please don't think for a moment that many, many, MANY--in fact, LEGIONS of liberals (taking license here) shrink at the very notion of being "liberal by association" with Geraldo Rivera. (Cold shudder)

    Paul-

    Yea, I would not have a problem with KO or anybody else who declared themselves a dem pundit. The thing about pundits, whether it be rush or franken, you know where they are coming from. They do not hide their biases. But the flip side of the question is would you accept Rush as a nightly NEWS Anchor? Do you think he would present balanced news? You see, Rush is accepted as a pundit because he has declared his beliefs.

    -Trey

    Thanks, Trey. I agree completely.