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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004

    January 14, 2005
    Olbermann Changes Subject to Fox and Swift Vets

    Here is what Keith said in a discussion of the CBS report:

    OLBERMANN: To some degree, do you think CBS got caught in this here because they had otherwise played within the journalistic rules? I mean if you look at the swift boat ads last summer, full of distortions, some demonstrably untrue content in there. Yet they were run as gospel by many news outlets, even though they were by definition designed to influence the election. But you‘re not going to see Fox News appointing an independent investigation into its own journalistic ethics or lack there of over those ads.
    Now let's look at how Fox News' premiere broadcast handled the Swift Boat controversy:
    [CHRIS] WALLACE [to Van Odell of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth]: But here's a man who says John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam, and in '96 he said he acted courageously.

    Let me show you a statement by another one of your members, Adrian Lonsdale. Let's take a look at what he says now in one of your ads and what he said in 1996. Here it is.


    ADRIAN LONSDALE, SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH: He lacks the capacity to lead.

    It was mainly won because of the bravado and the courage of the young officers that ran the boats, the swift boats and the Coast Guard cutters. And Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those swift boat drivers.


    WALLACE: Again, here's a man who now lacks the capacity to lead, according to Mr. Lonsdale, but back in 1996 showed courage, bravado and was one of the finest swift boat drivers.[...]

    WALLACE: How do you explain these 180-degree contradictions in what these two men are saying now and what they said eight years ago?[...]

    WALLACE: But wait a minute. Another member of your group, Larry Thurlow, who was also in that same action, also received a Bronze Star, and his citation also says there was enemy fire.

    I want to show you something else. These are the after-action reports from March 1969. These are the reports of the action. These did not come from an individual person. They talk about -- and let's take a look at it.

    They say that the boats received heavy A.W. -- automatic weapons -- and S.A. -- small arms -- from both banks. And they say that all of your boats sustained battle damage, including Thurlow's boat and Kerry's boat.

    These are the documents.

    ODELL: I've seen them. And these were written from Kerry's spot reports.

    But I want to tell you this: There was no damage. The damage that was reported on Thurlow's boat, and the damage that was reported on the 94 boat, which were windows blown out, that happened the day before in an ambush on March the 12th.

    I can tell you this. I mean, I was up at the highest point. I could see all around. I could see what was going on. I fired a few hundred rounds when the mine first went off. And after that we quit firing because -- and then we spent an hour in the kill zone, and nobody was shot or wounded.

    WALLACE: Wait a minute. I mean, I've got here the recommendation that was written in real-time, 10 days after, to recommend a Bronze Star for John Kerry; also the one that was written for Larry Thurlow. I've got the after-action reports.

    Do you have a single document, a single piece of evidence from 1969 that shows that John Kerry made up this story?

    ODELL: Well, I have the fact that I wasn't wounded in that 5,000 meters of fire that he wrote about in here. I do not have a single document. But these came from spot reports...

    WALLACE: The answer is no, you do not have a single document.

    ODELL: No, I do not.

    WALLACE: There's not a single document from 1969 to prove your story.

    ODELL: Just seven eyewitness accounts.

    WALLACE: From 35 years after the fact.

    And here's how the eeevil O'Reilly handled it:
    "Talking Points" believes the personal attacks on both John Kerry and President Bush are wrong. I agree with Mr. Bush that Kerry's Vietnam service was noble. And I believe that the president and the senator are both patriots.[...]

    The truth about the swift boat deal is this. Many Americans don't want to know the truth. They just want their ideology reinforced on both sides. The Washington Post has done the best reporting on the issue. And its conclusion is we'll never know the truth about Kerry's service. Too many conflicting reports. And it doesn't matter anyway. He volunteered for combat. He got his medals. That's the record.

    O'Reilly did an independent investigation of his own and came to much the same conclusion as the Post.

    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (10) | | View blog reactions


    great post and great find on the Fox broadcasts. And these are not unique for Fox, I find that Fox makes an effort to present both sides, in the context of being a conservative run operation. I have been watching Fox daily since it debuted and of all the biased networks it is the most fair and balanced, they present both views. Especially O'Reilly, the much maligned one. I saw him go after Jeb Bush big time two weeks before the election for Governor last time, because that is when the story happened. Jeb was not pleased, and he ended up having to fire one of his dept heads, of Family and Children Services, strictly because of O'Reilly's crusading. The libs don't like him cause they think he is conservative, the charge that he lies is totally bogus and unfair.


    I find this statement simply amazing:

    "...of all the biased networks it is the most fair and balanced, they present both views."

    Last time I heard, "biased" and "fair and balanced" were antonyms. To say Fox is the fairest among the biased networks, even if proven true, does little to mitigate their guilt. Relative bias is like relative pregnancy. Either Fox is biased or they're not. Please explain to me who on Fox, other than the scripted-into-a-corner Allen Colmes, approaches the representation of a liberal view?

    And while on the subject of O'Reilly...does the fact that he may periodically dress down a conservative reduce the validity of those who claim: "O'Reilly speak with forked tongue?" You sure you want to go there? HINT: Do a Google search for "O'Reilly lies"...I found 362,000 pages, many with streaming video...very entertaining. Have fun.


    Fox News Contributors under contract: David Corn of The Nation, Democratic strategist Bob Beckel (shudder), Elenore Cliff (liberal pundit), Ellis Hennican (Democratic strategist), Ellen Ratner (liberal pundit) to name a few.

    If you're asking for a Scarborough Country equivalent on Fox but with a liberal host, I can't think of one. However, Fox handily beats CNN and MSNBC in the ratings so perhaps your real beef is ultimately with the American audience. I'll leave you to bemoan that.

    Actually, I think Napa's assertion is a quite accurate description as well as being logical. For example, Paul, I know you have certain liberal biases but you're generally more even-handed than many liberals AND many conservatives are. And that's portrayed by your not only being aware of what conservatives and libertarians think but your effort to acknowledge it in your posts.

    Here's a piece on by Howard Fineman.

    Please read it, it's AMAZING!

    Here's a follow-up to the Finemann piece that I found on the Opinion site, "Best of the Web".

    "The Media vs. the Democrats
    Reader Tom Davis offers some interesting amplification of our item yesterday about what journalist Howard Fineman calls the American
    Mainstream Media Party or AMMP:

    'The descent of the U.S. media into liberal advocacy has been to the detriment of the country, notwithstanding the service done by it to the country during Watergate and--partially--Vietnam (partially because Vietnam was winnable prior to bad decisions made in Washington during the 1962-65 time frame, but probably not thereafter, but the media would never allow that position to be acknowledged). The biggest loss to the country has been the emasculation of the Democratic Party.

    In large part due to the ideological congruence between the AMMP and the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party's main function has been subsumed by the AMMP. It is the AMMP that sets the liberal agenda, and the Democrats follow. It is the AMMP that makes the most effective challenges to conservatives, and the Democrats merely echo them. The AMMP is a much more effective shadow government than the Democrats are. As a result the Democrats have become vain, intellectually lazy and self-righteous. This dynamic is also visible in your item on Jill Lawrence's article the previous day.

    And the AMMP still doesn't get it. When Dan Rather states that the media's role is to "speak truth to power," he overlooks the fact that the AMMP is a power. Cloaked in its mantle of pretend objectivity, the AMMP desires to influence governance for the common good as it alone sees it, and it really does. Voters like me not only repudiated the AMMP in 2004, but we consciously did so because a proper balance of power within government demands that the Republican Party be strengthened against the AMMP so that the two are roughly equal in influence. As long as the Democratic Party is favored by the AMMP, it must be relegated to the backbench, to be brought into play only when we face Republican incompetence or corruption.'

    This sounds mostly right to us, though we'd add that liberals' reliance on the courts to impose their agenda has also contributed to the degeneration of their skills at democratic persuasion. In any case, the decline of the liberal media may turn out to be a necessary condition for an eventual revival of the Democratic Party."

    You go Girl...both barrels w/ sliencer.

    silencer...oh well.

    Rubin, sliencers are what dyslexic people use to muffle gunshots.

    .....and to think, my family could have saved all that money. Good diagnosis.

    .....and to think, my family could have saved all that money. Good sisongaid....oh well