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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004

    November 22, 2005
    Giupetto and Garafalo

    Countdown opened with the most important news of Tuesday, November 22, 2005: the "cut and run" comments made last week by Rep Jean Schmidt, which Olby flogged just one day earlier in his "worst person in the world" segment:

    Today, the individual whom she claims she was quoting, says he never said that.

    and again:

    The colonel she quoted, Ohio state representative Danny Bubp, is now denying ever having said what Miss Schmidt said he said.

    Well, not exactly. According to Rep Danny Bubp's office:

    he did not mention Congressman Murtha by name nor did he mean to disparage Congressman Murtha.

    You'll note that Bubp's office did not claim he "never said" it. That formulation is strictly a creation of the Hour of Spin. Keith went on to a "potential bombshell": Bush was told ten days after 9/11 that Iraq wasn't involved in the attack. Well, duh! Added Olby:

    Some might call all that a conspiracy.

    Countdown Crony Howard Fineman showed up to chew over all this big news, along with the non-developments in the Tom DeLay case. It's all part of the "crumbling" of Bush's Republican support, according to Fineman. After a bit on Thanksgiving and pardoning turkeys, KO found a way to drag Richard Nixon into all of this. Very nicely done.

    In the #4 slot we got a combo: a taped piece on the prosecution of Jose Padilla (whom Olby suggested was not that much of a threat), and questionable loans in the aftermath of 9/11 (via a taped Lisa Myers report). After a "top 3 newsmakers" bit where the on-screen list didn't match the text Keith was reading, we got #3: weather and travel nightmares. NBC's Michelle Kosinski (of the phony canoe in the water stunt) was the ideal choice for this segment.

    In the #2 slot, we got yet another taped NBC piece, this time about convicts who escaped during Katrina and posed as college students. With all these recycled reports from network headquarters, it seemed like Keith was hardly even trying.

    But there's always the #1 story, a chance to bash a conservative with an unfunny installment of "Robert Novak Puppet Theater". He turned yet again to Air America for fair and balanced commentary. Jeanine Garafalo immediately called Novak a "right-wing partisan hack". Olby giggled in appreciative agreement, but when they went off on a tangent about the evil of Fox News, that's when we threw in the towel. No point in wasting any more time with these two arrogant buffoons if it means we might miss even one minute of The Amazing Race.

    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (5) | | View blog reactions


    Congresswoman Schmidt DID miss use the quote, which WAS not an attack on Murtha, but something Schmidt used out of context to make it look like a member of the military was attacking Murtha.

    Schmidt opened her mouth foolishly and then asked to have her words stricken from the record. My guess is that they were, but it doesn't by any means mean what she said goes away.

    My question is, why can't we in this nation of ours have a debate, without one side calling the other "unpatriotic?" This is what our country was founded on. The Bush Administration and those that support it (for the record, I'm talking about politicans, tv and radio commentators and individuals alike) claiming those that are against the war are helping the enemy or better yet are terrorists.

    We have some serious problems in this country, especially if we are no longer permitted to be an open society.

    Hey David,

    Read this:,0,6222628.story?coll=ny-uspolitics-headlines

    [QUOTE]"Seventy percent of people said that criticism of the war by Democratic senators hurts troop morale - with 44 percent saying morale is hurt "a lot," according to a poll taken by RT Strategies.

    Even self-identified Democrats agree: 55 percent believe criticism hurts morale, while 21 percent say it helps morale."[/QUOTE]

    How do you think the troops feel? Do you want to conduct a survey of them? Doesn't this prove the constant criticism and harping from Democrats is unpatriotic? Do you need me to go on?

    If you repeat something enough times to yourself, you will begin to believe it. Right David.

    Your exercise in spin was intense enough to qualify as a daily workout. Just weeding through all the he-said/she-said manipulation required a machete.

    Simply put, Schmidt claimed that Ohio state Rep. Bubp asked her to convey a message to Rep. Murtha-- that "cowards cut and run. Marines don't."

    Bubp states unequivocally that he didn't ask her to convey any message. And that he never directed any statements toward Murtha.

    It all comes down to this: Bubp did, in fact, state that Schmidt made false claims on his behalf.

    Now let's see if you have any stronger case for your position than semantic pissing contests.


    I think you're the one engaging in semantics.

    Johnny makes the case that Countdown's (supposedly a news show that should be held to a standard of accuracy...) reporting makes it sound that Bubp was denying ever making any sort of comment at all to the effect that Marines don't cut and run. And that is decidedly NOT what Bubp has claimed.

    No one here said that Schmidt and Bubp haven't disagreed as some of Schmidt's claims, but wouldn't ya think the fact that Bubp has not denied making the comment on Marines, would give some interesting nuances to this story? Especially for a newshow that specializes in commenting on motivation to the point of passing along various internet conspiracy theories.

    Certainly, if this involved say...Tom Delay...and he made the sort of denial that Bubp made, there'd be a bit.... of analysis...and conjecture and parsing of the denial and speculating about just what might have happened between Schmidt amd Delay...

    I believe the theory would be advanced that Schmidt had made public, words that were meant to stay private... and that's a particularly weasely thing and Schmidt is doubt... but the point is, Countdown would have been accurate as to what was being denied and would have been more analytical had the participants been different.