Johnny,

If it wasn't so funny, even I'd be a bit shocked over what a train-wreck Olbermann has become.

On the Gibson thing, I loved Olbermann's response to Gibon's interviewer's argument that tolerance is not equating all faiths as being same. Keith argued that the first commandment-- "Thou shall have no other gods before me" -- was exclusively given by God to Moses and the Israelites. Evidently Yahweh was fine with anyone else worshipping Bael... :D I suppose those other commandments about lying, stealing, and murder are strictly for the Jews too.

And leave it to Olbermann to be COMPLETELY impervious to irony. He plays a tape of Gibson saying that the Christian majority in this country should be tolerant and not persecutory of other religions even if that majority thinks they are not the true faith. Olbermman's response to that is to advocate the Gibson be fired from his show and not allowed on the air waves.

Guess the ole burning at the stake for heresy is passe.... :D

John Dean is considered unreliable because he's a convicted felon? I guess Fox News needs to drop that Oliver North because he too is a criminal and anything he says should be disregarded. The door swings both ways.

Not that Oliver North has anything to do with it. But I hate to break it to you. He is not a convicted felon.

This website is weak. You are just angry with the fact that the underdog (Olbermann with his low ratings) is keeping you and your cronies in check. Why do you call our president "The Great Satan?" Are you implying that Olbermann believes that President Bush is "The Great Satan?" Know that Olbermann's supporters do not support your calling our misinformed president "The Great Satan." While Bush cheated his way into office and while he and his administration do not adhere to the rules of this nation, I do not believe that Bush represents Satan. To me, your comments are quite extreme. I wouldn't even say that jokingly. I believe that Bush, Clinton, and every other individual who is granted power to hold an authoritative position ought to be held accountable for their actions. That is all Olbermann requests. If the people in power won't hold themselves accountable, Olbermann and the like must do it for them! Sounds fair to me.

And we hold Olby accountable. Sounds fair to me.

And your point is? SHEEPublicans, you just follow and don't think for yourself? Is the obvious that hard to determine for yourself?
It is time for you to TRY to detoxify yourselves from the disinformation and TRY to think for yourself? Just TRY, Ok?

diggy, you're such a lib. "keeping you and your cronies in check"... tell us what cronies and what crimes. then look at credibility, who admitted to what and who didn't. clinton, the libs and olbermann all fail miserably on credibility. the reason libs think all republicans are crooks, liars and or religious zealots (besides the fact that libs are just born dumb) is because the the most vocal and visible democrat leaders are so putrid, the republicans must be the same way right? olberman has attacked oreilly limbaugh ann coulter, probably all the conservatives you can think of. none of them have done anything that bad at all other than be human, meanwhile olbermann outright distorts, misunderstands, or lies about people. he's the glibbest MF'er ever!

"our great satan"... you seem sensitive on this subject. and i guess i would be too if i worshipped satan. you wouldn't support using his name in vain.

"our misinformed president"... hmm... i watch olbermann, so i guess i'm "misinformed too". are you informed? i think your an idiot, and thats going on decent "information"

"bush cheating, breaking the law"... do you worship satan? if you had more self esteem you wouldn't throw around false accusations. if you thought what you say was important you'd feel the responsibility to be accurate. get a life. stay on topic, prove with evidence. (preferribly audio tape like olbermann has of gibson) then we can laugh at your so called evidence like i did at olbermann and his little tape of gibson.

"individual granted these powers"... now you insult me boy. we elect our leaders here, unlike olbermann, who was GRANTED his power.

"hold accountable for their actions"... if the news was reported accurately youd find the bush one to be one of if not the most honest administrations ever. and im willing to bet you voted for clinton twice.

yes, yes, i watch olbermann, but only because i want to see how he dresses up the kook libs talking points, and to see what conservative (really anything conservative, republican, or in his mind intolerant) he is cheap-shotting today.

olbermann attacking gibson recently i found very interesting. gibson only said basically "if there is going to be hell to pay, it wont be to me" and i find it non offensive. the lady he was with sounded like a bitch though. i took no offense at gibson's comments, and i only believe in god, whatever he/it is... i dont claim im going to heaven or jesus is the messiah or anything. i only know god is what made everything. and i took NO offense to john gibson. and i sure would have if he was a stupid as olbermann on so many occasions. well, olby got offended because he's a unitarian... which ironically is probably what MY "religion" could be. i guess the big difference between me and olby is that i havent taking any huge hits to my cranium.

oh, btw, mr. dollar... maybe get a new picture for olby in this blog? its a little pixelated plus i have a better idea. have you seen the graphic they use for his bloggermann thing? it totally fits: small man, with a big head.

in closing, let me say excuse my poor form, and never assume i hate olbermann because i love any of his conservative targets... i hate olbermann because hes a douche.

just a small followup: if these libs actually took their own advice, and opened up their minds, eyes ears, etc, theyd see FAR LESS CORRUPTION, ETC than they imagine. with libs, everything is a conspiracy. its assinine. bush stole election. bush lied. bush doesnt like black people. carl rove is a crook. haliburton. enron. bush wants to pollute. why did the buildings collapse that way? we have 100 mpg cars but the oil industry wont let it happen, the grassy knoll, etc etc etc.
have the courage to NOT blame your leaders when they are INNOCENT!

I wish we had a number on how many conservatives and Fox News staffers Olbermann has...eh...held "accountable" this year.

And when he's not holding them accountable by proclaiming that they should be fired or impeached, he's making statements implying that they are going to hell.

Again, I think if we had a number on that, we'd see this guy makes Michael Moore look nonpartisan.

Here are the Al Qaeda-like intolerant concepts from Gibson and Parshall.

Parhsall: "And number two, I have to tell you, I don't know when they held this election and decided that tolerance was a transcendent value. I serve a God who, with the finger of fire, wrote He would have no other gods before Him. And He doesn't tolerate sin, which is why He sent His son to the cross. But all of a sudden now, we jump up and down and celebrate the idea of tolerance. I think tolerance means accommodation, but it doesn't necessarily mean acquiescence or wholehearted acceptance."

Gibson: "No, no, no. And if you figure that, listen, you know, we get a little theological here, and it's probably a bit over my head, but I would think if somebody is going to be, have to answer for following the wrong religion, they're not going to have to answer to me. We know who they're going to have to answer to."

Parshall: "Right."

Gibson: "And that's fine. Let'em. But in the meantime, as long as they're civil and behave, we tolerate the presence of other religions around us without causing trouble, and I think most Americans are fine with that tradition."

Note especially those words from John Gibson, essentially saying that IF someone has to answer for having the wrong religion (In answer to Parshall's point that God said have no other gods before me) then they'll have to answer to God, not him. He adds that-- this is a theological question that is "over my head". Gibson reiterates that his only point is that this majority Christian nation tolerates minority religions and only requires that they be civil.

This is the OPPPOSITE of what Al Qaida, Bin Laden,and the Taliban believe. And if you can interpret Gibson's comments to be a statement making claims about "right" and "wrong" religions WHILE maintaining that Gibson was your friend...then you have the sort of psychological bogeymen that should have kept you a sportscaster.

Can't you loser Fox news idiots just practice your own religion and shut the hell up about it. Obly rocks. Now I'm going to go pray to my God to help all those fools out there that turn to politicians and Fox News anchors as their religious leaders.

In response to "olbysux&libs do too"....

Although you have labeled me a lib, there are some liberal views and individuals who I do not agree with. I do not hate repubs. I only dislike the actions of some repubs and some libs.

Example 1: I do not think that Clinton is heavenly. Clinton made too many mistakes and wrong, unethical decisions when he was in office too. He, like Bush should have been held accountable for many of the decisions he made. Some of the more significantly inhumane decisions that Clinton made were ignored to satisfy some of the repubs who attacked Clinton on the Lewinsky affair. I believe that repubs did Clinton a service by exaggerating the Lewinsky affair.

Example 2: The so-called repubs who you name: O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter, I hope do not represent the crux of the republican movement. If that is true, then republicans wish to bring terror upon the world.

O'Reilly has told Al Qaeda to blow up the Coit Towers in San Francisco.
Then, he distorted or omitted his comments on additional occasions.

Ann Coulter is a racist: Coulter attacked websites like MediaMatters for America (which basically checks the comments of those in the media against known facts), calling them "little Nazi block watchers," stating: "They tattle on their parents, turn them in to the Nazis."

Coulter believes in sending people with different views from her own to Guantanamo Bay: "[T]he government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo"

Limbaugh takes joy in the fact that peace activists were kidnapped in Iraq. "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this"

These few comments are not the limit to their issues and differences with the ideals of the republican party. I do not agree with you. These individuals, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter do not represent republican values. If their views represent republican views, then republicans are terroristic, racist, and uninformed.

I support republican values, however I am saddened that no one is interested in actually executing them. For example, I want to erase the huge amount of government spending. But, whether you have democrat or republican, the amount of gov't spending is the same, the recipient of the spending differs. Instead of spending on welfare, the gov't is paying billions to top contract bidders or securing the wealth of a few companies and individuals in the future with the present war in Iraq. We need a reevaluation of values and an intense cleansing of the media in order to see an improved government. We need to stop hiding behind these BROAD definitions of republican, conservative, liberal, or democrat. We need to see the issues for what they really are. Use of the socratic method would help us. These few second sound bites don't cure the soul or enhance the brain. They only satisfy the ease of our insistence on living our trite lives.

Olby was the only "host" to work the Holidays. I bet he is desperate to try to win at least one ratings race against O'Reilly, hence broadcasting when nobody is really watching. Despite his crafty efforts, I will bet my left gonad that Olby lost the ratings race again.

Anybody know where to get the numbers for yesterday?

Diggy,

Alright! Then you, Olbysux, and the rest of us are all agreed....

Olbermann IS "a douche".

K for K, I doubt whether K.O. could even beat John Kasich, Tony Snow or even O'Reilly's reruns in the ratings race!

keith will admit his mistakes when Bill Oreilly admits all his (and please dont tell me Oreilly doesnt lie-if you do- you really drink the Oreilly kool-aid real bad

North not a convicted felon?? He rose to national prominence because of the Iran-Contra Affair, during which he was a key official in the clandestine and illegal selling of weapons to Iran in order to earn money for the Contras during U.S. President Ronald Reagan's administration.-WOW I GUESS YOUR RIGHT-HE DIDNT DO NOTHING WRONG!!!

more proof NORTH WAS A CONVICTED FELON: Oliver North and John Poindexter were indicted on multiple charges on March 16, 1988. North, indicted on nine counts, was initially convicted of three minor counts, although the conviction was later vacated upon appeal on the grounds that North's Fifth Amendment rights may have been violated

Let's see. He was convicted on three MINOR counts, and those counts were reversed on appeal. So adding it all up, he was convicted of...NOTHING!

Yesterday's show was the first complete Olby show I've watched in a LONG time. The Puppet theatre thing made me cringe. It was so horrible and amateurish that I can't believe the MSNBC bigwigs allow him to do it. It was unintellible.

The whole Gibson tape also seemed to prove Gibson's point, not Olby's. Unbelievable that Olby would talk about this as a fireable offense. If anything is fireable, it was that horrid Puppet theater.

Ollie North killed a hundred North Vietnamese with his boy scout compass. He's one bad-ass mofo. You guys can idolize Wolfie Blitzer and that human frog Russert. You can have Geraldo too, by the way.

wow, diggy said something intelligent, which, btw, is a first for this site, and none of you can respond to it; you only bring up the ratings. if ratings were everything, then the simpsons and seinfield would have never made it out of its first two seasons. and no, i'm not comparing comedy shows to news programs. i'm comparing ratings for a show comparable to that show. and another thing, you people hero, bo, had shitty ratings when he first started his show.

what olby does is intentionlly mischaracterize others. other times hes attacking someone for expressing an opinion. and good golly, i hope your opinions live up to olby's standards. just dont ask olby to live up to his own standards.
olby is sickening for attacking only conservative icons. olby attacks the entire republican/conservative/non-liberal persuasion by holding up its icons as fools. and if the truth doesnt fit, olby is there to make it fit. and olby rarely (has he ever?) attacked a liberal icon. can't think of one. and to think msnbc once ran commercials comparing countdown to the daily show. john stewart (although another wackjob) is at least 10 times more fair the olby. and thats on comedy central. all i know is that if his garbage show is just entertainment, then keep olby off the tv when real news breaks. if another jetplane goes sliding off the runway i dont need puppet-boy cutting into regularly scheduled programming.i hope olby and david shuster lock themselves in a closet and never come out again.

when i see someone get unfairly attacked my reaction is to defend them or say that's bull. what olberman has done is make me go out and defend gibson, limbaugh, oreilly, rove, cheney, etc etc... i don't even want to! its just that olbermann must be called out for what he is: a liar. the boy who cried wolf. now if there really is going to be a wolf, i might night notice the little boy crying for help. his credibility is F@#$%&G SHOT. all who emulate that behavior suffer the same fate, and THEY should do us the service of resigning, as their usefulness is over.

resign olby. resign mr. producer. resign mr. kaplan. you are all failures (which is great for stature in the democrat party, but bad for business. ask microsoft) die olby. die.

Whoa...d!

You've gotten a little weird here.

You've reminded me of that alien in the lab in the movie Independence Day.

It's funny how Gibson thought the comments he made were wrong & denied them & Olbermann is flamed by this right wing nutcase website for throwing his own words back to show what a liar working at Fox News has made him. Long Live Countdown with Keith. As for the big talking head O' Lie Lee, ratings are high for him but then Jerry Springer has had big ratings too. Doesn't make you a quality journalist. Spin that Big Bill.

C--

That's some funny stuff! I loved that alien! This is the sentence you were talking about (the one "D" so casually uttered):

http://www.wavsite.com/sounds/22958/id59.wav

Here is the dialogue:

[The President has moved closer to the glass and is talking with the alien. The alien uses Okun like a ventriloquist's dummy.]

PRESIDENT
Why did you people come here?

OKUN/ALIEN
Air...water...your "sun."

PRESIDENT
Where do your people come from?
(no answer)
Where is your home?

OKUN/ALIEN
Here...now.

PRESIDENT
And before here?

OKUN/ALIEN
Many worlds...

PRESIDENT
Can we negotiate a truce? is
there room for co-existance?
(no answer)
Can there be peace between us?

OKUN/ALIEN
Peace? No peace.

PRESIDENT
What do you want us to do?

OKUN/ALIEN
Die.

The Alien moves closer to the glass staring at the President. Suddenly the President clutches his head in pain.

NIMZIKI
Mr. President?

OKUN/ALIEN
We kill you...all.

To tell you the truth, that alien reminds me of Howard Dean. Olby is like the human puppet on its tentacle.

Interesting analogy, KFK...

I think Olby is more like the gigantic alien robotic shell.

Dean is the puny little alien inside who operates the controls.

Having just been named the worst person in the world for suggesting family-oriented funerals, I wonder if anyone knows if Keith believes women are stupid for wanting natural childbirth? Or home schooling? Or home hospice care? The NBC survey supports family funerals 54% at the moment. Is this guy missing a link?

I've spent 20 years monitoring the funeral industry, sort of the Ralph Nader on behalf of consumers. I've researched the laws in every state because most families don't know what their rights are. Those who have chosen family funerals can't imagine any other way. Very therapeutic and very meaningful, and usually cheaper and more environmentally friendly. How do I help Keith see the light?

Lisa, we are in awe of you. I don't know that much about family-oriented funerals, but I know that I live for the day when I might make Olby's "worst person in the world"! There is no shame in being called "worst" by a fool and a knave.

But seriously, you should probably email MSNBC, someone in upper management, and explain to them why you believe you were wronged. You'll never get Olbermann to recant; that word is not in his vocabulary. But you might get someone at the channel with a sympathetic ear to give you some airtime on another program to make up for Olby's slanders.

On the other hand, you may want someone to actually see your interview if you do one. In such a case, contacting Fox News might be a better option. The folks on Fox & Friends might be receptive, especially since you are one of Olbermann's latest victims.

Chris,

If there was a video tape of the Prez Chimp with his hand on your wallet stealing all it's contents in plain site, you would still defend this ass.
There is nothing that can be said, no plain Olbermann truth, that could convine you and your repuglican buddies of any wrong doing from anyone on the Right. How amny RED FLAGS do you need shoved in your face. Where there's smoke there's fire. Saying North was not guilty is like saying OJ didn't kill Nicole. Sure they both get off on technicalities but again...where there's smoke.
You are completely hopeless and no TRUTH will ever filter into you close minded Brain.

BTW - for those not paying attention...the argument Olbermann pitched about Gibson was right on the money.
1. FACT: Gibson said his coments were taken out of context.

2. FACT: Olbermann plays a COMPLETE tape of Gibson saying exactly what Olbermann quoted him as saying.
Where's the issue?

I thought his request of Gibson retiring was on the money and compelling TV. A change of pace from the dolts at FAUX News. Can you say Hannity?
Olbermann is a refreshing alternative to these one sided extreamist conservatives on FAUX.
Time will tell if he is able to keep it up.
I hope the best for he and his show and will continue to watch as you should. Only helps his rating so keep up the good work.

Thanks for playing loser... can't wait till you creeps eat crow in 06.

Dear LC,

Enlightenment isn't something Olbermann prizes.

It's not his quest. It's not his holy grail. It's not his pot-of-gold at the end of the rainbow.

So I don't at all mean this disrespectfully when I say that you were just the latest sideshow in his carnival.

Count yourself lucky that he hasn't accused you of anything worse than being his "Worst Person In The World"....

so llegally selling of weapons to Iran in order to earn money for the Contras during U.S. President Ronald Reagan's administration.-WOW I GUESS YOUR RIGHT-HE DIDNT DO NOTHING WRONG!!!

My appoligies Chris my coments were directed at johnny dollar.
Placement of posting info is very misleading
Check out Huffington Post for proper placement.

"Check out Huffington Post for proper placement."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bruce,

"Repuglican"..."FAUX NEWS". LOL! Man, you are funny! And creative too. It's not often we get such original thinking and imagination. How do you come up with these witticisms? It's so refreshing to come across newly minted gems like these!

Faux on you, Johnny...

You didn't mention "President Chimp".

What is it with these folks? They differ with me politically and fine...no problem..so what...

But why do they repeat these same hackneyed expressions while endlessly tooting their own horn over what deep and independent thinkers they are?

They'd be somewhat more convincing if they all didn't spout the same adolescent jargon.

Bruce,

this is chris-its ok-i didnt even notice-johnny dollar-question: if a liberal did the samething north and reagans admin did-would you bash them or defend them?? if you ask me the same question-i would answer this: i would bash BOTH-thats why it makes me laugh when democrats do something and then bash republicans when they do the samething and the other way around-i do try to be fair and point it out when it happens

The problem is I can't answer your question because what is "the same thing North did"? Let's get this clear again. Somebody earlier called North a "criminal". He is neither a felon nor convicted nor a criminal. He ran for Senate, remember? Felons could not do that at the time (and maybe still can't). So I'm not going to bash North for something he wasn't convicted of. There were people in the Reagan admin who WERE convicted of various offenses (just as in the Clinton admin), and they are under the law criminals. They neither need nor deserve my defense.

I think we may have gotten off track from the Olbermann Gibson issue but interesting reads never the less.
As for as my comic relief comments, Dem to Repub, it's all tongue in cheek.
Chris you make an excellent point on the Dem vs. Repub issue and I myself agree w/you.

I'm noticing that shows like Olbermanns and Hannity's tend to focus on a one sided slant.
You are either Right or Left and there is no ground in between. A bit of High School football mentality. My team is better than yours. My GOD is better than yours etc.re: Gibson.

This, I feel, will lead sheepishly led types into a direction that is manipulated by those in power, in this case the Bush administration, which shows signs of 1984 big brother syndrome e.g. wired taping, internet cookies planted from gov sites, manipulation of high level intelligence, 30 second sound bites etc etc
The mentality is "well Clinton did it, Carter did it so Bush can do it.
Sorry, I was told two wrongs don't make a right. Straight forward and no mess. All needs to stop now. Sorry GWB!
Both sides, Dem and Repub, being guilty of the same thing. Thanks Chris!

Olbermann makes a statement and has a tape that backs up his point. CASE CLOSED!
Then you have threads like these that expand on it and turn it into something it is not. Delving off into Northville etc. and theories abound.

News needs to be unbiased and straight down the middle. But when NBC is owned by GE (conservative), FOX by Murdoch (conservative), ABC by Disney (Conservative) and CBS by Westinghouse Electric Company (conserv) all having to sell advertising to make a profit, what kind of "News" do you think you'll get? Fair and Balanced? Guess again. Liberal bias? Guess again.

The question is how do we get ourselves out of the muck that is standard politics now? Got me, I'm just a schmuck w/an opinion.
I think blogs like these do help to keep people connected and trading ideas in a over all positive way and maybe this is the solution.
One can only hope!

what north did:He rose to national prominence because of the Iran-Contra Affair, during which he was a key official in the clandestine and illegal selling of weapons to Iran in order to earn money for the Contras during U.S. President Ronald Reagan's administration- was initially convicted of three minor counts, although the conviction was later vacated upon appeal on the grounds that North's Fifth Amendment rights may have been violated
NOW can you answer my question?? one more thing if the convctions werent later vacated-what would he be called??

BRUCE,

no problem-i agree with the rest of the post-to all those who say clinton/carter did it-your going to tell me and bruce that 2 wrongs make right? maybe you should tell your kids that when they do something to another kid and the other kid gets him back- its just funny how when democrats do something and then bash republicans when they do the samething and the other way-just hypocrites

The interview of John Dean was not meant to present "talking points". John Dean was an expert called to express his understanding of the Bush administration's actions regarding the spying on American citizens. Dean said that Bush admitted to breaking the law. There is NO DEBATE. Bush DID admit to NOT following FISA. Bush's administration is asserting that they can break the law in an effort to protect national security.

I think a good question was brought up, namely why would Bush knowingly and secretly break the law when he could change it? Spying under FISA is a law that even Clinton took advantage of. It has been on the books. It's public knowledge that the government can spy on American citizens for a short amount of time and then bring it to a Judge to get an extension. Why ignore the Courts unless the information that Bush wants has nothing to do with terrorism?

They compared Bush to Nixon because Nixon broke a law with the argument that as President he can do that. If the President can break the laws of the nation, why have laws, why have lawmakers? As a matter of a fact, who needs Congress? Better yet, who cares about a democracy? There are laws that everyone is governed by and must be held accountable for in a democracy. If this were King George's land, then King George could break, twist, or ignore any law as he please. If I were living under King George's kingdom, I would accept that. But, unfortunately well save that dream for another dimension. Presently, Bush is of a democratic nation.

I believe that Bush is knowingly breaking the law to send a message to all of us. He does not care about the rules that govern our democracy and does not care if we like it or not! Not only that, if we don't hold him accountable, he will believe that he does not have to follow the rules of this democracy. In my opinion, I don't care if Bush rejects the notion of a democracy, but I will be dammed if he will be allowed to act on his undemocratic notions.

Talking points was the entire purpose of the John Dean interview. Olby brought the felon on to say Bush broke the law. You claim, "I believe Bush is knowingly breaking the law". So you agree with Dean. That's fine. But it's preposterous to say there is no debate. How can that be, when there are distinguished attorneys and constitutional scholars who disagree with Dean. Of course they'll never be interviewed on Countdown, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Absolute truth does not reside solely in those who agree with Keith Olbermann's prejudices. There are actually people out there who have differing opinions. You just won't see them interviewed on the Hour of Spin.

Diggy,

You need to do a bit of reading up on the NSA wiretapping issue. It's not a bit as cut-and-dry as you're arguing.

Far from admitting he broke the law, Bush and the Justice Department argue that Bush acted within the scope of presidential privilege. As for Clinton, his assistant AG, Jaime Gorlich argued the same thing before congress AFTER Clinton ok'd the FBI to do a warrantless search and seizure in spy Aldrich Ames' home. Congress changed the perogative of FISA AFTER the fact.

Now whether they should have gone to congress first or whether presidential privilege should include this sort of wiretapping is up to the courts and congress to decide. However, there is a legal argument that has been made and you need to brush up on your facts.

As for John Dean, I've no problem with Olbermann using him as some sort of "expert" on presidential over-reaching. But he shouldn't have Dean appear by himself. Dean is a partisan. Can you imagine Olbermann bringing on Clinton critic Notra Trulock of the Los Alamos labs, to talk about soying? Or how about former FBI director and Clinton critic Louis Freed on to talk about presidential failure in handling intelligence.

Not only would these guys NOT appear alone, they won't even appear WITH a counter-balance. They won't be on at all...

As bombastic and overbearing as O'Reilly is, he offers more balance than Olbermann. Media Matters calls Matthews a "misinformer" but Hardball is far more balanced than Olbermann.

I am not a FNC watcher, I watch Olbermann and Matthews and that's it for cable news. So it's always interesting to me that the people who call FOX "infotainment" and "faux New" and UNfair and UNbalanced LOVE Olbermann. And what's more, they generally admit that Olbermann is one-sided but argue that this is fine because he's a counter to FOX.

Well, you either want balance or you don't. Truth is you folks don't. If you had your way all reporters would Olbermanns and all news shows would be as partisan as his. And the billion of flies who don't want that and don't watch would just be SOL.

Well, too damn bad.

quote:

Chris,

"""If there was a video tape of the Prez Chimp with his hand on your wallet stealing all it's contents in plain site, you would still defend this ass.
There is nothing that can be said, no plain Olbermann truth, that could convine you and your repuglican buddies of any wrong doing from anyone on the Right. How amny RED FLAGS do you need shoved in your face. Where there's smoke there's fire. Saying North was not guilty is like saying OJ didn't kill Nicole....."""

anyone else amazed someone this stupid thinks O.J. killed Nicole? I wonder how many years it took them to believe that however.

BTW, count me in the "republican buddies who can never see the republicans do anything wrong" camp.

Cecilia,

Firstly, I really do not care for any of the popular media. I prefer to watch Democracy Now! because Amy Goodman offers viewers news that is seldom discussed in major media and is often ignored. Goodman also presents all sides of an issue, not only both (or two rather) sides. Many people believe that in America, there are only liberals and only conservatives. As homo sapiens there has to be more creativity that we can offer. But, it is easier to box ourselves into predictable, well-defined, and well-known nitches.

I do not believe that all media personalities should be more like Olbermann. I do, however, believe that all media personalities should aspire to be like Amy Goodman. Amy Goodman has said that she will feel happy when Americans feel inspired to have healthy debate with each other anytime and anywhere. I like posting in forums like these and respect your and everyone's opinions. Have you noticed that it is unorthodox to have these discussions with people in public or private? Politics should never be a topic of discussion at social events. Who said that people can't express differing opinions and views in a democratic society?

Major media is so wary of presenting different views. This is because they first want to make profits. In order to make profits, they need advertisers. In order to keep advertisers, they need viewers. Olbermann and his show must live up to that mold too. However, there have been times where Olbermann has presented well-known evidence that was neglected or distorted by other major newscasters.

Bombastic and overbearing are not attributes that have caused me to lose all respect for O'Reilly. It is his hatred for people who don't support his views, his ignorance of or reluctance to be truthful about history and present situations, his praise of individuals who spread racism (Ann Coulter), ignorance, and hatred, and his terroristic and dangerous comments. The issues that O'Reilly has are contrived in order to build ratings. "A War on Christmas?" Really? The first time I watched his show, I did not know anything about him, but he had an African American writer by the name of Amiri Baraka (read his play entitled "Dutchman") as his guest. I was actually shocked to see Baraka on a media outlet because his norm-upsetting writings would not be revered in the trite media world. At first impression, I thought that O'Reilly was pretty interesting and I wanted to see more. I was shocked to witness the disrepect that O'Reilly presented to this writer. I adore debate, but O'Reilly was not debating or asking probing questions. He was out right throwing insults at Baraka. Insults that O'Reilly tosses are probably considered to be thought provoking to his viewers. The fact that O'Reilly knows who Baraka is causes me to think that O'Reilly is smarter than he appears and that he is actually trying to manipulate his viewers's ideologies.

O'Reilly is dangerous. The most popular entity need not be the healthiest. He is very charismatic, which is why many people are drawn to him. But, his words are poison; he is poison. The views that O'Reilly expresses are based on his unknowledgable opinions. O'Reilly is illinformed and does not do any research to substantiate or test his claims. O'Reilly is no where near balanced.

Russert and Matthews in my opinion have a lot to learn too.

Cecilia,

Also, when I said that President Bush admitted to breaking the law, I was referring to the fact that Bush admitted to not following the FISA Act, which is the law. Now, Bush has made the argument that he committed a legal act by breaking the legal FISA Act. Sounds like an oxymoron. Well, only a moron would believe that.

In addition, William Safire, a libertarian conservative disagrees with Bush on this issue.

The reason why Bush's assertion of this self proclaimed pseudo-constitutional program is receiving the attention that it deserves is because it has been over FOUR YEARS since the 9/11 attacks and since the "war on terror" officially began. Finally, the formally stagnated war-numbed Congress, who initially acted rash in many of its actions (in the effort to follow the President in a time of war), is holding congressional hearings based on the President's actions. Anyone's opinion on the matter doesn't matter anyway because now Congress is doing its job. It is my guestimation that this issue will be Bush's "Monica Lewinsky." Bush screwed himself over!