Because no one on the other side of the aisle has any Abramoff connections, do they, Mr Reid?

Once again (for the last time, please), there is no evidence that Senator Reid was ever influenced by or manipulated legislation on behalf of Jack Abramoff or his clients. I have explained this before on this site. (See comments 2/10/06).

Unless you have something more than that spotty Associated Press report, leave Senator Reid alone.

I was just a wonderin--McCaine is knee deep in with Abramoff,Condi fried Rice is pro-choice,Guiliani is pro-choice....Who are the wing ding bags gonna vote for in 08??? Just a wonderin. Dubi for now...

Whenever Keith makes fun of O'Reilly I think it's even funnier because I know that this site will spend their time talking about how Olbermann "attacked" O'Reilly. I love how you guys actually think this guy cursed on O'Reilly's show which is why he said that local law enforcement would go to his house - CONSPIRACY!

Keith asked if this made Bush lame-duck, and Dana said he wouldn't go that far. It was a good lead in question to get Milbank's opinion (which much to the chagrin of people on this site didn't have any thing bad to say about Republicans). This ports debacle does show that Bush finally lost a battle to Congress. And the final nail comment was comedy, in case you didn't catch it.

The story about Santorum wasn't that he met with lobbyist, but that he met with them after saying he wouldn't.

P.S. the call on the answering machine said that the person was from FOX Security, and I have no reason to doubt the guy who made the call - he didn't curse, but if he did I hope to God that local law enforcement does something about this.

I bailed out early tonight, also. I just can't watch a whole hour of KO's nonsense, anymore. His fixation on O'Reilly and Tom Cruise (who brings some of this on himself) just gets stranger and stranger. KO indicated some time back that he has been in therapy for years. Well, good for him that he has recognized his need to do this but I would suggest he up his weekly visits to several more times a week. How would you like to be a fly on the wall for those sessions? At the rate things are going it will be "all O'Reilly bashing...all of the time". And how novel...yet another piece on internet porn as if this hasn't been done over and over before.

From TVNewser, Olby's home away from Secaucus:

BEGIN QUOTE ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Olbermann: "I Can't Hate" O'Reilly

When Keith Olbermann "punches upward" at Fox News, "the clever response, the cynical and brilliant response is to just ignore." But they don't. "They attack," Olbermann says in a conversation with Brian Lamb on C-SPAN's Q&A this weekend.

"Bill O'Reilly's agent calls the head of NBC week after week saying, you have got to get Olbermann to stop this," Olbermann said.

So does Olbermann hate O'Reilly? No, he explains:

"Somebody asked me the other day if he was - you know, if it seemed to me that he was going to retire soon, or leave this - leave the air, and I replied (ph), "I hope not," because he provides me with so much material. I can't hate him. He's so extraordinarily obvious and the antithesis of what I think broadcasters should do and what journalists should do and what people should do that he's necessary, in some way. I would be lost without him, in some respects. But, what he does on the air, everything is a simplification. It goes back to what we were talking about earlier, about inspiring fear in people, both in terms of what the world is going to be like, and also what the rest of the media is like. And I don't hate him. I'm entertained, to some degree, by him. I wouldn't watch him with a gun pointed to my head because I - people watch and actually think they're hearing the truth."

The full interview will air this weekend on C-SPAN...
ENDQUOTE++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Man oh man what a crazy mutha! How a madman like Keith could criticize anyone else for "inspiring fear in people, both in terms of what the world is going to be like, and also what the rest of the media is like" is beyond me! Keith claimed security at the ports would have been in the UAE's hands TONIGHT! That is a full-blown lie created to SCARE PEOPLE! He claims the Democratic process is unfair whenever a Democrat loses an election, he invents conspiracy theories about every event, even going so far as to imply that Dennis Martinez somehow fatally injured Kirby Puckett with a pitch a decade ago! The guy really is delusional.

Keith has the nerve to attack another TV host who wants NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM, and then claims he is a hero for defending the American public from the man he is attacking every night. How about the CSPAN dope ask Olby why he is so angry and jealous, and where the chip on his shoulder came from.

The best part is when Olby spits, "I wouldn't watch [O'Reilly] with a gun pointed to my head because I - people watch and actually think they're hearing the truth." How many lies have been documented on Olbywatch? How many lies in tonight's show? I read stuff like this and I can't believe Trekkie, Nonfactor and Obi-Wan still attempt to defend the guy. I mean, how could anybody try to defend such a brazen hypocritical liar?

When Keith Olbermann "punches upward" at Fox News, "the clever response, the cynical and brilliant response is to just ignore." But they don't. "They attack," Olbermann says in a conversation with Brian Lamb on C-SPAN's Q&A this weekend.

OK Olby! The cynical response is to ignore the a--hole who attacks you every night? That's some Olbylogic right there! I would think the cynical thing would be to relentlessly attack another broadcaster to try to create controversy, boost your own ratings, and hurt someone you don't like! I would think that ignoring the a--hole who attacks you night after night would be both prudent and mature! I guess I need to look up the definition of cynical.

When I read Olby's crap, I really wonder if he lives in the same Universe as the rest of us, or if he is an "evil twin" from the Oppositeverse. Perhaps our brigade of Sci-fi dopes can enlighten us on this topic?

When Olby did the piece about "air america" I think he had a "hard on" because he was talking about his left wing boy al franklin (who also happens to hate O'reilly too). have you noticed that Olby never has a guest on that doesn't side with him. Olby just need to put on a pair of suspenders and he becomes the Larry King of MSNBC.

Like I've said before, he's nothing bust egotistical liberal democratic hack, plain and simple. Do me a favor and e-mail him and expose him for what he is - a hatemonger.

Whenever Keith has a liberal on, he gets a hard on, whenever O'Reilly or Hannity has on a conservative they're just telling it like it is..

The sessions Keith does on O'Reilly are all for comedy, many people here just don't see that. I can't help but laugh every time Keith takes something stupid O'Reilly says and makes fun of it, just like I laugh whenever I hear Ann Coulter speak.

"The sessions Keith does on O'Reilly are all for comedy, many people here just don't see that. I can't help but laugh every time Keith takes something stupid O'Reilly says and makes fun of it, just like I laugh whenever I hear Ann Coulter speak."

TYPICAL NO THOUGHT JUST ACCUSATION

Accusation? Who am I accusing of what? Accusing Keith of being funny? O'Reilly saying something stupid?

The point is, Keith only has liberals on. H&C and O always try to get liberals on. In fact, they especially try to get the liberals on. Can you imagine Keith ever wanting to get a conservative on to debate an issue?

Nonfactor,

Personal attacks and libelous attacks are not "fun." Did you read the quotes from Olby above? Does he say it is "all in fun?" No, he says he is "punching upward" at Fox News. What kind of an a--hole would describe his behaviour as "punching?" It is a violent and angry thing to say. The vision conjured up is that of a very small and angry man punching upward at an unnoticing or unsuspecting larger victim. If this doesn't show you what a jerk Olby is, nothing will.

KfK

Can't you at least wait until the full interview is available before going on the warpath?

I think this weekend will be the first time that I will plan to watch C-SPAN
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Nonfactor-
Don't you think you marginalize yourself by spending an inordinate amount of time mocking your competition?
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Keith is like your little brother in the back seat of the car. He's mad be because he wants to sit up front but you already there. Out of jealousy and frustration he starts flicking your ear("punches upward" at Fox News). At first you try to ignore it,but eventually your level of irritation builds up. After being flicked for the millionth time, you turn around and punch him in the shoulder. At that point he begins to cry, accusing YOU of being mean. Your mother turns to you, telling you because your older, you shouldn't hit your brother and to just ignore him("the clever response, the cynical and brilliant response is to just ignore.)

Except were talking about a grown man. Not a child.

Grow up Keith.
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I love Keith's favorite tactic.

When pulling something out of your ass-Do it in the form of a question. That way, you can make fallacious remarks without having to be accountable. (Keith's favorite tactic)

Example(made up)

"Is Bush the most egregious example of a person in power thinking he can break the law and not be subject to consequences?"

Notice, I never actually said it was TRUE. Just asked.

Let me try again.

Is Keith the biggest moron on cable news?

(Just joking, so it's not a personal attack. Right?)

Another Olby tactic- On the rare occasions that Olby's guess says something that refutes one of his "questions", move the interview forward. Forget that you asked and ignore what was just said. I guess amnesia should be included along with his loss of depth perception.

Oh, I see Trekkie! These quotes were somehow "out of context"? They came from TVNewser, where Olby is "best friends forever" with the staff. Exactly why do I have to wait for the entire interview when these quotes stand for themselves and are perfectly consistent with the way Olby behaves.

How do you think TVNewser got an advanced copy of the interview by the way? Do you think they monitor CSPAN? Did they get this info from a super-secret leaker? Or did KEITH GIVE THEM A COPY? I think we all know the answer to that.

How about you respond to what I have written instead of trying to force me to watch that amazingly huge jerk run his mouth on CSPAN?

Trekkie,

Reid is in this up to his neck, more and more information is coming to light. Why just look at this breaking news.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4613407&nav=8faO

Democrat4Bush,

Didn't you read the article? Reid was "unaware" of the scheme! You see, Reid is always unaware unless he is caught on camera being aware. He is never involved in dirty schemes. When he gets money from Indian tribes represented by Abramoff, he remains unaware of the Abramoff connection and hence clean. He is magic that way. One more stroke, though, and he will accidentally spill the beans on the Senate floor.

Olbermann says he doesn't even watch O'Reilly?
Prolly cuz he gets all his information about the show from media matters, the moonbat blogs and air america.....which help buttress the contention that O'Reilly kicks his candy ass on a nightly basis because his show is simply "huffington post, the series".

Sort of like the Tampa Bay Devil Rays talking smack against the Yankees/Red Sox - the hardcore fans of the club say "yeah!" while the rest of the nation laughs at the children seeking attention via tantrums.

The Federal Election Committee says Reid and Herrera were not aware of the campaign contribution scheme run by James Rhodes during the 2002 election cycle.

One more stroke, though, and he will accidentally spill the beans on the Senate floor.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You talk gleefully about a United States Senator having a stroke. That's despicable and wrong.

I already debunked the story the Republicans are peddling (on this site on 2/10/06) and I asked you to go back to that in the first comment on this page.

The story you link, Democrat4Bush, says that the Federal Election Commission cleared Reid on this matter and the money will be surrendered to the Treasury. So it's not relevant to the discussion at hand.

So again, unless you have something new to add to this discussion, drop it.

Inaccuracy? Olbermann's guests have included:

Trent Lott (republican) - one time
Pat Buchannan (republican) - seven times

and I'm assuming many other republicans. He doesn't just have liberals on his show. Not defending him. Just correcting an erroneous statement...

Here's a list of his guests (alphabetical order) which links directly to the transcripts of his shows.

http://olbermann.org/ko/index.cfm?go=guests

RW,

I love the way Olby says he doesn't watch O'Reilly, yet reports on him all the time! Way to make himself look like a completely negligent ill-informed dope. If you attack a guy 70 times but NEVER WATCH HIS SHOW, that is pretty pathetic!

As for this absurd debate about Harry Reid:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/09/D8FLR3380.html

Amazing how "unaware" gets so many Democrats off the hook. Chuck Schumer was "unaware" that his underlings were stealing Liutenant Governor Steele's credit report, Hillary was "unaware" that her underlings were committing campaign finance fraud by lying about how much an event cost, she was "unaware" that her husband Bill had strong ties to Dubai (even though he travelled there and made 300,000 bucks which went on her tax return) and was lobbying for the UAE to get the port deal behind the scenes, and Harry Reid was "unaware" of his underling's fraudulent behavior as well. Amazing how all these people benifit greatly from the goings on but get to deny accountability.

Regarding Reid and Abramoff:

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, and the senator's staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist's team about legislation affecting other clients.

The activities _ detailed in billing records and correspondence obtained by The Associated Press _ are far more extensive than previously disclosed. They occurred over three years as Reid collected nearly $68,000 in donations from Abramoff's firm, lobbying partners and clients.

Abramoff's records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid's office in 2001 alone.

Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.

Abramoff's firm also hired one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist. The aide later helped throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners.

Sorry I haven't read your definitive post on Reid's innocence, but something tells me it is not worth my efforts.

From my previous posts on 2/10/06:

Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.

According to the records, four of the five "contacts" had to do with construction of Indian Casinos off-reservation. Now why would a NEVADA Senator want to stop casino growth? How about preventing job loss among his constitutents who work in NEVADA casinos. (By the by John Ensign, the other Senator from Nevada, also opposed the legislation. By your logic, does that mean he is also in Abramoff's pocket?) Reid has been against off-reservation casinos for years and it's been a major platform in his last two Senate campaigns.

As for the fifth contact, it was a minimum wage bill. Senator Reid was a co-sponsor of that legislation and spoke on the Senate floor in favor of its passage. There is no evidence that Reid tried to kill the bill or undermine it's provisions.

The AP Article: The key lobbyist in the piece, Ron Platt, is never directly quoted. That's because the AP (the authors of the story) never contacted him to follow up. And there is no evidence that Reid ever tanked this, or any other, legislation at the behest of Abramoff clients.

As for the Bay Mills casino claim, Reid was against this piece of legislation because it would have allowed for off-reservation construction of Indian casinos (something Reid first opposed in 1988). In fact, he took the Senate floor to vociferously argue against it:

"The legislation is fundamentally flawed because it allows Bay Mills to establish gaming facilities under the guise of settling a land claim.
The land claim is simply -- and everybody knows this -- an excuse to take land into trust for off-reservation gaming. I object." - Senator Reid's remarks regarding this matter, Congressional Record, November 19, 2002.

As for Senator Reid being "unaware", the FEC found that now wrongdoing on his part took place. That means that, absent new and compelling evidence he has been cleared.

And KfK, you did read my posts. You even responded to them. I've just condensed them down for you.

Newbie,your right. He has had Republicans on in his show. When people say he doesn't have Republicans on his show, they are talking about the (to use a Gumbel word) paucity of Republicans.

Who gets the benifit of the doubt is decided by the press. It is starting to get scary how the press can pursue some stories and change the perception of the uninformed, but at the same time, completely ignore what doesn't fit their agenda (Al Gore).

Jim - The shows on FOX news that do have liberals on, only ned up bashing them the entire time - you get Hannity interrupting, O'Reilly saying shut up, and Ann Coulter asking Satan to put a curse on their house. When Keith has guests on they're there to inform, and I think it's relaxing not to see a show where the host is always arguing with the guest.

KfK - I didn't know you could read so much into the words "punching upward", because this obviously proves how childish and violent Keith is.. yeah.. As far as Keith goes with "personal and libelous" attacks is to make fun of Bill O'Reilly's phone sex (which deserves to be made fun of) and Bill's own words (Blow up San Francisco, see if we care... FOX security will contact your local law enforcement...) and then at the end of your long post you claim that Olbywhine has documented many lies by Keith, even some in the show..where exactly? What has Keith lied about to the audience and tried to pass off as fact? And then, KfK, you start off another post by saying that Keith should watch O'Reillys show if he wants to make fun of him (which I don't really understand, but if it makes you feel better..) and then at the end of that post, you say that you didn't read an article about Reid's clearance, but still continue to bash him.. Guess what KfK, you don't have to watch O'Reilly to know he's making stupid comments, you didn't have to listen to him the day he said that he'd get FOX Security if you want to report on it, just like you don't have to be reporting when an event happens to report on it.

Dave - do you see the irony in your comments, where in one sentence you claim that I spend my entire time mocking my competition, and in the next sentence you start calling people morons and childish? Probably not, but just wanted to point that out to you. Oh, and ALL politicians ignore what doesn't fit their agenda, not just Al Gore.

Trekkie,

I see -- so Reid really didn't need Abramoff's lobbying money since he was voting that way anyway. So why did Abramoff (via clients) give the money to him? Why the warm relations? And explain this:

Abramoff's firm also hired one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist. The aide later helped throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners.

Why so much buddy buddy activity? Why fundraise at Abramoff's firm? You mean to tell me this "dirty dirty lobbyist" gave money to Reid and fundraised for Reid and asked nothing in return? Then all the Republicans involved with him are innocent too, I suppose? Think again:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004523.htm

I know -- the evil Michele Malkin is a Conservative! That invalidates all evidence she has accrued!

"Many Lawmakers ... Intervened With Letters To Interior Secretary Gale Norton Within Days Of Receiving Money From Tribes Represented By Abramoff Or Using The Lobbyist's Restaurant For Fundraising, An Associated Press Review Of Campaign Reports, IRS Records And Congressional Correspondence Found." (John Solomon, "Lawmakers Pressured Interior While Getting Large Donations," The Associated Press, 11/18/05)

* "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Of Nevada Sent A Letter To Norton On March 5, 2002, That Also Was Signed By Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev. The Next Day, The Coushattas Issued A $5,000 Check To Reid's Tax-Exempt Political Group, The Searchlight Leadership Fund." (John Solomon, "Lawmakers Pressured Interior While Getting Large Donations," The Associated Press, 11/18/05)

Harry is oh so clean as the driven snow. It is just Republicans who are dirty, right? Keep making yourself look like and ass Trekkie.

KfK, it would help your argument so much better if you actually read what I wrote instead of reflexively firing off the same re-treaded arguments.

Harry Reid has opposed off-reservation gaming for nearly twenty years. His letter to Interior Secretary Gale Norton is completely in line with his past positions on the subject. As I have stated (and as the evidence I provided in the previous postings on this subject), Senator Reid's actions do not indicate a trading of influence for money.

Senator Reid and Senator Ensign co-signed a letter to the Senate Ethics Committee stating "As senators for the state with the largest nontribal gaming industry in the nation, we have long opposed the growth of off-reservation tribal gaming throughout the United States,"

As to Mr. Platt, the lobbyist referred to in the AP article, he has issued a statement stating the allegations made regarding the contact between himself and Senator Reid were false:

"The allegations and implications in Mr. Solomon's story are false, which he would have understood had he bothered to contact me prior to publication.
Rather than discuss these issues with me, Mr. Solomon apparently relied on Jack Abramoff's billing records to his clients that have already been legally determined to be fraudulent...
Mr. Solomon's article distorts the context of my 'contacts' with Senator Reid's staff. These contacts were incidental, insofar as I simply
bumped into Reid staffers at Democratic Party functions or occurred incidental to discussions regarding my clients, not Abramoff's. Any
contacts that I may have had in regards to Abramoff's tribal clients would have been similarly incidental. In addition, I have no recollection of ever discussing contributions or fundraising issues with Senator Reid, Susan
McCue or Jim Ryan as implied by Mr. Solomon's story."

The AP article (which is the primary basis of Malkin's column) has been shown to be inaccurate and misleading. So again, unless you have new evidence with regards to this matter Reid has not acted improperly.

I just picked up my phone, dialed someone at RANDOM, told them I was fox security and to stop calling Bill O'Reilly and saying Olby's name!..................Hey! I bet Nonfactor belives me!

And the looney left wants me to belive this Jackmeoff guy only greased Republican hands. Yeah right, Democratcs are as pure as the wind driven snow...Just like that snow going up you're nose.

Oh and in case you ask, I've been away doing that capitolist pig thing and raking in the money, and investing and stuff like that. Why I made so much money this week I think I'll send a check off to my good friends RICK SANTORUM and Lynn Swann. Unlike dopey-wan who hopes that one day Libs will take over and raise the wage crap so D.W. can get $12 an hour for flipping bugers and dreaming of the next star trek wars whatever.

Oh, and non really you need to start watching shows on fox, not getting you're talking points from the ever dopey faux news site. Bill had Bagala and Carville on not too long ago and it was great Bill didn't tell them to shut up kept them for two segments, told people to buy the book and asked them too come back! by the way didn't Drudge have it on his website that B&C's book has only sold about 17,000 copies so far? Man! at this rate it should be in the dollar bin in no time! Heck I'll even buy a copy! Maybe I'll read it too........for a laugh!

Oh I think Bill is off tonight. Do you think Olby can beat his fill in?........not!

I saw Howard Stern being interviewed this week. But it wasn't Olby. IT.....IT.....was by.....SH..SH...SHAWN HANNITY???? Hey Keith all that BUTT KISSING got you nothing but bad breath.

Ya know what would be really scary? Going into a resturant and being seated next to KO and Moron Dowd! augh! barf!

Oh and Trukie, this is easy! If the ever Bush bashing A.P. has too say something even though its spotty as you say. You're right Reid is not up to his neck. HE'S UP TO HIS DAMM EYEBALLS!

Please looney libs it was nice out today. Put down the you know what go out side and take in the nice weather. Feel the global warm feel on you're face. Breath in the fresh air. Now hurry, ALGORE says we only have less than ten years left!

And now as "The Great Harry Kalis" would SAY I'M...... OUTTA HERE!

It is amazing how many people LIKE ME read this site and contribute a comment.I think it's because both morons are able to put a personality and a face to the lib/conservative cause that so deeply divides us.

On another cabel news piece of garbage,how has Nancy Grace been able to escape her phony fiance's murder lie?

Yes, puck, it's a huge conspiracy this guy is pulling, some practical joke. He gets Bill O'Reilly to threaten him with FOX security and then he gets a friend to call him and leave a message... because Bill O'Reilly would never do anything that stupid!

Trekkie,

I read what you wrote. I responded with arguments that you dismiss without addressing. Look at the quetions I asked and answer them. I will restate them:

1. So why did Abramoff (via clients) give money to Reid?

2. Why the warm relations between his office and Abramoff's?

3. Why did Abramoff's firm hire one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist?

4. Why did the aide later help throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners?

5. Explain this: * "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Of Nevada Sent A Letter To Norton On March 5, 2002, That Also Was Signed By Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev. The Next Day, The Coushattas Issued A $5,000 Check To Reid's Tax-Exempt Political Group, The Searchlight Leadership Fund." (John Solomon, "Lawmakers Pressured Interior While Getting Large Donations," The Associated Press, 11/18/05)

Again, you mean to tell me this "dirty dirty lobbyist" gave money to Reid and fundraised for Reid and asked nothing in return? Just keep saying, "Reid would have voted that way anyway" as if that justifies all of this. I'm sure Republicans could use the same arguments.

How about responding to the stuff I posted about OLBERMANN, by the way? Isn't this site about Olby?

"Dave - do you see the irony in your comments, where in one sentence you claim that I spend my entire time mocking my competition, and in the next sentence you start calling people morons and childish?"
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I wasn't clear here as I was refering to Olbermann. As a host of prime time news show, I think he spends to much time worrying about O'Reilly. I don't care if you or I or anyone else makes fun of something (O'reilly=loofah), as long as there is a valid point somewhere.

"Probably not, but just wanted to point that out to you. Oh, and ALL politicians ignore what doesn't fit their agenda, not just Al Gore."

My comment was
"Who gets the benifit of the doubt is decided by the press. It is starting to get scary how the press can pursue some stories and change the perception of the uninformed, but at the same time, completely ignore what doesn't fit their agenda (Al Gore)."

I was refering to the media. I'd do agree that politicians ignore what doesn't fit their agenda. That is why I get irritated when people argue between DEM and REP. They all screw us.

That's the price of a free media. Media controls the agenda, they control what we talk about, and they decide what's important.

Non

Three guys down south started burning down churchs as a practical joke. Let's see how much milage the press gets (or should I say bother to) out of this. But if these had all been a certain kind of church......well, would the reporting have been a little different? Will the church story have mighty, mighty, legs. Or is it going to fade off into foggy boggy night of Alabama? The only place I saw the O'Reilly fox security thing was on the Daily Kos. I'm sure it was on those other trusted sites like Media(yeah right)Matters. By the way, I hate to go back to The Drudge Report but in those book postings. Was it the D.K. blogger or some other blogger has a book out and it only sold 350 copies? But media controling what I talk about. I do think so, I don't watch lamestream media and if I want a different agenda all I have to do is turn on N.P.R. in the morning. There are choices Non.

The media controls the agenda? Then someone please explain American Idol to me?

Non you would have loved Canada a year or two back. The goverment banned Fox News! wouldn't let it in the country. The only way was if you had a dish. I felt like a criminal and the goverment was going to bust me and my friends. We use to joke about how we would be sent off to reprograming camps. And when the goverment finally had to let them in(damm that free speech issue!). They ran a big smear deal on C.B.C. Ah but last, it didn't work. And now Canada goes and elects a conservative prime minister. Whats this world comming to?

KFK
Should you really be wasting you're time debating The man from space? By the way do you think Trukie's grandfather was Captain Video? Or was it Comander Cody? I know it was Buster Crabe! Hey maybe his Great grandfather was that wacky scientist in Metropolis.

Eddie Kay

sorry dude it's not amazing. You just needed a place to go to vent about Nancy Grace.

1. So why did Abramoff (via clients) give money to Reid?

You make that sound like fact. Abramoff is deeply, deeply partisan and there is no way in hell that he would give money to a Democrat. You're so sure about it, prove it.

2. Why the warm relations between his office and Abramoff's?

Read the statement by Mr. Platt again. All contacts between Reid's office and Abramoff's were incidental.

3. Why did Abramoff's firm hire one of Reid's top legislative aides as a lobbyist?

I don't see that Abramoff hired him, so unless this staffer was working for Abramoff it's not relevant.

4. Why did the aide later help throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff's firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners?

Again, this is not relevant because there is no link to Jack Abramoff directly.

5. Explain this: * "Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid Of Nevada Sent A Letter To Norton On March 5, 2002, That Also Was Signed By Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev. The Next Day, The Coushattas Issued A $5,000 Check To Reid's Tax-Exempt Political Group, The Searchlight Leadership Fund."

I did explain it. You chose not to listen.

It's been a month since these spurious charges developed and no new evidence has come to light that directly links Reid to Abramoff. I keep demaning proof, you keep throwing back the same old tired (and discredited) Associated Press story or stories that use that AP piece as the primary source.

Trekkie,

Great responses! Lines like "prove it" are very pungent indeed. So you say, "Reid's people denied it, so it is not true," and the AP is lying! Great!

As for why we don't hear much about this in the press, Reid is a powerful Democrat, so the liberal media gives him a pass, just like they gave Nagin and Blanco a pass, just like they give Robert Byrd a pass for being in the KKK, just like they give Ted Kennedsy a pass for drowning a woman, just like they give the Clintons endless passe and puff pieces in the paper. It is amazing the first AP story was written. The NY Times still spins this as a purely Republican scandal even though this is publicly available information:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/02/AR2005060202158.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/6/100900.shtml

40 of the Democrat party's 45 U.S. senators made the Jack Abramoff dishonor roll, including:

• Senator Max Baucus (D-MT), who received at least $22,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN), who received at least $6,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE), who received at least $1,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), who received at least $2,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA), who received at least $20,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA), who received at least $21,765 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Tom Carper (D-DE), who received at least $7,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), who received at least $12,950 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), who received at least $8,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Jon Corzine (D-NJ), who received at least $7,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT), who received at least $14,792 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND), who received at least $79,300 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL), who received at least $14,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who received at least $2,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI), who received at least $1,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA), who received at least $45,750 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI), who received at least $9,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Jim Jeffords (I-VT), who received at least $2,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Tim Johnson (D-SD), who received at least $14,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA), who received at least $3,300 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator John Kerry (D-MA), who received at least $98,550 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA), who received at least $28,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Pat Leahy (D-VT), who received at least $4,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Carl Levin (D-MI), who received at least $6,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT), who received at least $29,830 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) Received At Least $14,891 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), who received at least $10,550 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), who received at least $78,991 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL), who received at least $20,168 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) Received At Least $5,200 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), who received at least $7,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR), who received at least $2,300 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Jack Reed (D-RI), who received at least $3,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), who received at least $68,941 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator John Rockefeller (D-WV), who received at least $4,000 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO), who received at least $4,500 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD), who received at least $4,300 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who received at least $29,550 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), who received at least $6,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

• Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), who received at least $6,250 in Abramoff-linked cash.

Arguing with you is pointless.

OK Trekkie, just to pound this home! You say the AP was lying. How about the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/02/AR2005060202158.html

Abramoff didn't work just with Republicans. He oversaw a team of two dozen lobbyists at the law firm Greenberg Traurig that included many Democrats. Moreover, the campaign contributions that Abramoff directed from the tribes went to Democratic as well as Republican legislators. Among the biggest beneficiaries were Capitol Hill's most powerful Democrats, including Thomas A. Daschle (S.D.) and Harry M. Reid (Nev.), the top two Senate Democrats at the time, Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.), then-leader of the House Democrats, and the two lawmakers in charge of raising funds for their Democratic colleagues in both chambers, according to a Washington Post study. Reid succeeded Daschle as Democratic leader after Daschle lost his Senate seat last November.

If that isn't enough for you, how 'bout this:

James Patrick Manley, Reid's spokesman, also asserted that Reid's connection to tribes was remote from Abramoff. He said that Reid does not know Abramoff. But Abramoff did hire as one of his lobbyists Edward P. Ayoob, a veteran Reid legislative aide. Manley acknowledged that Ayoob helped raise campaign money for his former boss. Lawyers close to the Abramoff operation said that Ayoob held a fundraising reception for Reid at Greenberg Traurig's offices here.

Now, I know that, as you asserted, Reid's staff said these allegations were false, so that makes them false. After all, why would Reid' people lie? I guess the Washington Post is really lying, right? Trekkie, I crown you the "crown jewel of liberal tools."

Let me tell you what Trekkie will say:

"Unless Abramoff directly gave money to Reid and there is a picture of it that can be proven to not be digitally altered and Senator Reid verbally confirms the events and his office confirms the events and it can be proven that this money influenced Senator Reid's vote, this is all a smear job."

Of course, for all the Republicans, he will merely state, "they are guilty."

Trekkie is not worthy of this site.

How many lies have been documented on Olbywatch? How many lies in tonight's show? I read stuff like this and I can't believe Trekkie, Nonfactor and Obi-Wan still attempt to defend the guy. I mean, how could anybody try to defend such a brazen hypocritical liar?
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LOL, this is perhaps the most ridiculous comment I have ever seen on this site. From what I have seen the answer to the first question, that is for rational people rather than rabid partisans, is very few, if any. Typical incorrect post on this site would be "Olby lied because he said 'breached' when 'topped' is correct" ignoring that damn near everyone else said 'breached', but, of course, only Olby lied. I have pointed out recently and in the far past, over 30 errors on this site but none were properly addressed.
My favorite is the last question, obviously, kfk was talking about O'Reilly huh? See, if you guys want any respect from decent people go after the liars, don't try to create liars.

I have answered the charges. NewsMax is the worst yellow journalism site in the world - they're wrong more times than the weatherman about things.

Show me one vote - one goddamn vote of Senator Reid's that was influenced. You can't, because there aren't any. Abramoff's firm and his clients gave money to Reid, but not Abramoff himself.

So the story is done. It's DEAD! LET IT GO!

Good God Trekkie, you are hopeless.

Just ignore the Washington Post column, call the AP liars and call Newsmax biased, but for heavens sake don't address the allegations!

I love the way you responded precisely as Anonymous had predicted you would. Let's put the two responses side by side for comparison:

You wrote:

"Show me one vote - one goddamn vote of Senator Reid's that was influenced. Abramoff's firm and his clients gave money to Reid, but not Abramoff himself."

Anonymous predicted:

"Unless Abramoff directly gave money to Reid and there is a picture of it that can be proven to not be digitally altered and Senator Reid verbally confirms the events and his office confirms the events and it can be proven that this money influenced Senator Reid's vote, this is all a smear job."

It is hard to tell which is which! That anonymous is a genius! He is nearly as smart as I!

Ironically, you even added the lib media mantra ". . .the story is done. It's DEAD!" Indeed it is dead. It has been killed by your pals in the media. Man, Trekkie, you sure are a master debater

Trekkie is down for the count!

Trekkie, Nonfactor and swah are just losers we should ignore those Jihadi lovers!

Trekkie, Nonfactor and swah are just losers we should ignore those Jihadi lovers!