Too funny. O'Reilly's unraveling prompts yet another epic bitch slapping and all you can do is sputter on about how many times Olbermann has retaliated. You hear it plain as day, at least until O'Orwell wiped it from his web site, how he threatened a caller. I look forward to Olbermann's interview with the victim about how his lawsuit against O'Reilly is going. The word is out, O'Loofah has no problem with big payouts.

So, have you signed the Donohue petition yet? LOL!!

Too funny. O'Reilly's unraveling prompts yet another epic bitch slapping and all you can do is sputter on about how many times Olbermann has retaliated. You hear it plain as day, at least until O'Orwell wiped it from his web site, how he threatened a caller. I look forward to Olbermann's interview with the victim about how his lawsuit against O'Reilly is going. The word is out, O'Loofah has no problem with big payouts.

So, have you signed the Donohue petition yet? LOL!!

Oh Yeah! This is ALL ABOUT O'Reilly "rabbit." Never mind the sicko spewing lies and frothing at the mouth. Keith will do anything to get O'Reilly's attention. If he can make up a story and feign surprise when it is proven a lie, all the better.

By the way, that stupid Chertoff allegation had been called into question eight minutes into Olby's pathetic show (not that he would care or hold off on reporting it anyway):

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/gizz-ette.php

UPDATE -- 8:08 p.m.: A senior administration official is refuting my source’s comments that Chertoff’s days are numbered.

“The President offered strong words of support for Secretary Chertoff on Tuesday in an interview with Elizabeth Vargas. Secretary Chertoff is serving in one of the most difficult positions in government and he is doing an excellent job.”

Olby should film all his shows for the week on Monday, since he invents what he reports anyway. What a Dick.

I think Keith has something for O'reilly. I have never seen a TV host waste so much time putting down another host, it sad to see. It seems that KO is jealous of O'reilly. KO needs to realize that he will never be #1.

Gotta love TVNewser! In lock-step with Olby, they only published the demo numbers for Wednesday! What a surprise! Never mind the inevitable extra million viewers in the total viewer category for O'Reilly! This is Olby's time to shine!

I hate TVNewser, and I am begging for an alternative source of ratings. That a two-bit site like that would spin for a pathetic hack like Olby makes me want to wretch.

Unfortunately, Keith is the future of TV news -- unchecked, unsubstantiated, hysterical, and useless. The internet owes people like Dan Rather and Keith Olberman a big wet kiss.

Hey, KfK, I have an idea: You can change your name to KfTVN and make a website - http://www.ihatetvnewsterandthisisasitewhereotherpeoplewhohatetvnewstercanpostbadthingsaboutthem.com

I'm sorry, but Olbermann's sarcasm is just funnier than O'Reilly's.

Might want to check this story out...this is going to be totally ignored by KO, of course, (as was Lisa Myers story), but is very revealing as to the type of misleading, BDS-effected reporting KO does to promote his agenda.

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/ap-admits-it-lied-bushs-levee-remarks/

Scott, you honestly don't think Bush was warned of levee breaching? I think Michael Brown was on T.V. today telling people that he warned the President and Chertoff about levee breaching.

Never mind the AP correcting its false story Nonfactor, just push ahead you dope

"I think Michael Brown was on T.V. today telling people that he warned the President and Chertoff about levee breaching."

Did you actually see Brown? He made clear on Hardball, at least, the distinction between "topping" and "breaching." The AP has admitted that their tying the two together (for the better part of a week) was at the very least "misleading." Even Kelly O'Donnell the day after the tapes came out made the clarified, on Countdown, that the President was warned about "topping", not a "breach."

No one could have forseen that a Cat 3 hurricane (look it up, that's what Katrina was when it made landfall in NOLA) would breach the levees. The storm surge going over the levees was easily predicted. Not so many breaches.

Why doesn't contact the advertisers that buy commercial time on Skunk-Head's show? Threaten to boycott them, and they'll stop advertising on that a--hole's show for sure, and A-Mess NBC will fire his stupid, liberal no-talent ass once and for all. Look at what happened to Bill Maher on his ABC show.

O'Reilly cut the guy off for mentioning the competition's name. That's it. Why is it so hard for you trolls to believe that when O'Reilly can't even mention Al Franken's name but refers to him as "Stuart Smalley"?

Continue to believe what you want to believe, but Keith deals it way more real than O'Reilly ever would (or did).

Why didn't you mention that Olby is the one who pointed out that there was a seven second delay? Or that Olby is the one who indicated we didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?

> Olby is the one who indicated we didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?

Tell the truth, "tadeusz". To quote from Olby:

• ...the host's trolley coming completely off the tracks merely when my name gets mentioned

• Apparently if you say the word 'Olbermann' to this man, he releases the hounds.

And his guest:

• What did the caller say that's obscene? 'Keith Olbermann'? I don't think so.

So why don't you tell us where exactly Olby "indicated we didn't know exactly was said" to trigger the call being dumped? Or did you just make it up?

Defenders of the Big Giant Head are hilarious. I loved Olbermann's comment, BOR is Fair and Unbalanced. He hit the Big Giant Head fair and square. BOR is unravelling as is the entire right-wing. Sorry Wing-Nuts, your time is over. I can hardly wait for 2006.

Defenders of the Big Giant Head are hilarious. I loved Olbermann's comment, BOR is Fair and Unbalanced. He hit the Big Giant Head fair and square. BOR is unravelling as is the entire right-wing. Sorry Wing-Nuts, your time is over. I can hardly wait for 2006.

I hate when these liberals make fun of me. I wish I could go right into their homes and slap them around for disrespecting me.

When did this become O'Reilly Watch?

O'Reilly is turd blossom and bush*t's lacky.
They are corporate whores like the dukester, pat roberts, frist and all the right wing crooks robbing you braindead wanabes. You are being brainwashed like the airheads you are.

"O'Reilly cut the guy off for mentioning the competition's name. That's it. Why is it so hard for you trolls to believe that when O'Reilly can't even mention Al Franken's name but refers to him as "Stuart Smalley"?"

Well A. everyone knows who Stuart Smalley is and B. he does call him Al Franken from time to time. It's no different when Olby calls O'Reilly the big giant head.

> "O'Reilly cut the guy off for mentioning the competition's name. That's it.

That's it. Well, that and the threat to send the gestapo to the caller's home for committing the capital crime of *gasp* mentioning a competitor's name on a public call-in show!

Nothing wrong with a little criminal behavior on your own show, eh O'Nutjob?

Who cares about this stupid phone call? You nutjobs have a sick fascination with O'Reilly. This is Olbermannwatch for God's sake. As much as Olby wants us to talk about O'Reilly on and off his show, Olby is still our focus.

I think the funniest part about this is that you know if this supposed incident happpened on say Al Franken's show that Olbermann wouldn't have reported on it. Olbermann is up to his neck in hypocracy that he nor could anyone justify all of it.

> I think Keith has something for O'reilly.

Brokeback Commentators?

I'll tell you right now, Keith is imitating his hero Howard Stern. Stern relentlessly attacks his competition, and has his fans call other shows to harass the hosts.

There are two differences between Stern and Olby:

1. Olby fancies himself a news host
2. Stern has talent

Name one newscaster who behaves so completely unprofessionally. Name just one who does what Keith does. If Keith wants to be Howard Stern, then he should call his show entertainment. If he wants to be Bob Woodward, then he should do some investigative reporting. If he wants to be a worthless putz, he should do exactly what he is doing.

O'Reilly was the one who started the petition. At one point, you could see who had "signed" the petition. Perhaps 5 of the actual 100 names visible were real. The rest were joke names like "Heywood Jablowme." Meanwhile, two petitions devoted to dumping O'Reilly netted over 7,000 legitimate signatures. And what happened this week? O'Reilly starts having Fox security call anyone who called into the radio show in which he invites callers to call in and has them harassed for simply mentioning Olbermann's name. I don't care how you spin this-it's apparent that the one with the wheels coming off th bus is O'Reilly, not Olbermann.

And Johnny Dollar. Who can't admit that Olbermann was far from alone in getting the story about the levee's wrong. So did the AP--that's why they issued a RETRACTION. Yet in his little twisted mind, where every single thing that Olbermann does is wrong, he has made it seem as if only Olbermann was guilty of this "crime". Do any of his supporters here actually look at incidents like this and ask yourselves what else is he twisting into a pretzel, logic wise to try and bolster his case? Is critical thinking so beyond you that you can't ask youself who's really obsessed with Olbermann and why that might be.

And thirdly--why did Bob Cox drop his obsession with Olbermann and hand over this page to Dollar? Did he end up in the nut house too? Or do they just alternate visits after their obsessions drive them over the edge?

Wake up. Smell the coffee. Put down the kool-aid. Realize that you have been lied to. By Dollar. By Bob Cox. By this administration. By O'Reilly. Murdoch. Fox news. Focus your rage there--where it belongs. Not with the likes of Olbermann who is RIGHT, despite what Dollar might try and twist and manipulate it to look like.

> And Johnny Dollar. Who can't admit that Olbermann was far from alone in getting the story about the levee's wrong.

Please try to read more carefully. This is simply untrue. You're starting to act like Olbermann.

> He has made it seem as if only Olbermann was guilty of this "crime".

See above reply.

> has them harassed...

Ah yes, "news" based on the most unimpeachable sources: blogs and the people who send them comments!

> ...for simply mentioning Olbermann's name.

Really? You were able to hear what didn't get on the air because of the dealy? Fill us in on this secret scoop of yours.

> Realize that you have been lied to. By Dollar. By Bob Cox. By this administration. By O'Reilly. Murdoch. Fox news.

Hey, you forgot the Trilateral Commission, the saucer people, and the people who beam those waves at you from the top of the Empire State Building.

"He doesn't need to do that that. Daily Kos printed an anonymous email.

the anonymous e-mail is from: Mike Stark AND ANOTHER e-mailer named adigal made the same claim that fox security called them-one mentions the guy by name:Tony Burdy, head of Fox News Security those are the anonymous e-mailers-i double checked daily kos and the dates that both were posted was: march 3rd at 2:54pm PDT and march 3rd at 2:44pm PDT-as for TVNEWSER: Thursday ratings werre posted on Friday March 3rd at 5:22pm-plenty of time for countdown to check and report THURSDAY ratings instead of Wednesday-but since wednesday paint countdown in a better light-they chose wednesday-and i believe something else got the caller booted.listen to the audio clip again and this listen to it more closely

Hey, Johnny,
Why did you ignore my first question?
Namely: Why didn't you mention that Olby is the one who pointed out that there was a seven second delay?

Why did you evade my second question?
[Why didn't you mention] that Olby is the one who indicated we didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?
Why didn't you provide proof that Olby "didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?"
Could it be because Olby said that we could "not be certain what actually got on the air"?

Correction:
Why didn't you provide proof that Olby "didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?"
Could it be because Olby said that we could "not be certain what actually got on the air"?

should be:
Why didn't you provide proof that Olby never indicated that he "didn't know exactly what was said to cause the call to be dumped?"
Could it be because Olby said that we could "not be certain what actually got on the air"?

> Olby said that we could "not be certain what actually got on the air"?

So what? You claimed he said he didn't know what was said to CAUSE the call to be dumped. What he actually said was he wasn't sure how much of what he played GOT ON THE AIR. What got on the air is not the issue. It's what was said that caused the dumping, which probably never got on the air because of the delay. Are you having further comprehension difficulties?

> Olby is the one who pointed out that there was a seven second delay?

I never denied it. And I must admit I fell for the spin too, when he quickly mentioned it in passing and then never brought it up again. Never addressed the implications of the delay: that with a delay the words you don't want to hear never make it on the air. So nobody would have a tape of the caller mentioning Olby if mentioning Olby had gotten on the air.

Later I realized how important that delay was, and that Olby had tossed it off and never came back to it, even with his "expert witness". I think it's possible it never occured to Olby that the delay meant it's possible NOBODY but the people in the studio heard the real reason for the cutoff. It didn't occur to me so maybe it didn't occur to him. Maybe that's why he never mentioned it again. And why I didn't mention it in the article. I didn't think it was important until I read ICN and was reminded of the implications of the delay.

The bottom line is, you claim Olby said he didn't know what was said to cause the call dumping. False. He said the exact, precise opposite: that it WAS the mention of his name. I quoted him verbatim at 11:51 am. Do you have a verbatim quote where he says what you claim? Of course not. Because he didn't say it.

In other words, he was reading O'Reilly's mind based on what DID get past the delay, without knowing what DIDN'T get past the delay. That's "journalism", Olby-style.

a post i found on another site about this episode: i do know when i watched the segment that foxnews talk radio and westwood one banners was in the back-oreilly i guess uses a foxnews studio to broadcast his show from...
Westwood One syndicates his show, but does not own it.

Fox Radio controls it. WWO syndicates it.

Posted by: BOB at March 4, 2006 01:22 AM

i do know when i watched the segment that foxnews talk radio and westwood one banners was in the back-oreilly i guess uses a foxnews studio to broadcast his show from and westwood sends it out

To the Marxist Islamic loving scum.
I am not a Nazi, I'm a supporter of the Stae of Israel, you guys sympathize with the Islamo-Fascist.
By the way the Nazi's were leftists hense the name National Scoialist!
Hugo chavez the new leftist idol is a Nazi.
I believe in a free society, economic and social values for all that makes me a Libertarian.
However I believe in freedom only for my country and real allies.
All other nations shoild be destroyed or made vassal tribute states.
On social issues I am to the left of Andy Warhol and John Lennon.
On foreign policy, I am to the right of Genghis Khan, Julius Ceasar and Phillip II of Spain.
Real Imperialism by conquest and domination, unlike the Iraq charade is the solution to all of America's social ills.
So to Swashbucket, Non-Person and that other Commie, I am Nationalistic libertarian or Libertarian Nationalist.
Also I'm Hispanic so I,m not a Nazi.
But that what Moaists like you do, accuse any one right of center of being a Nazi.
However the Nazi's were Left wing Racist Socialists.
So the Nazi's are your ideological comrades.
Comrades!

When I tune in to "The O'Reilly Factor" I see stories that I have an interest in. O'Reilly covers topical news items and issues that are important.

When I catch Olbermann's show I see....puppets, bad singing, and promotions for O'Reilly's show.

If I am watching television for news, I'll watch Fox or CNN. If I want juvenile antics I'll watch Nickelodeon.

What a waste of airtime.

Hey, Caroline! You hit MY nail on the head, know what I mean? Do you falafel?

Surprise surprise! TVNewser picked up Olby's story and even knew it was #3 on the Countdown! It is good that Olby has friends in low places!

If I want news I'll read a website or a paper, if I want to be entertained while learning about current events I'll tune into Olbermann. If I want to see someone on the right name call, belittle, and insult people on the left I'll watch Hannity and Colmes.

Darren Waltz,
New member of the Islamic Loving, Israel Hating Marxist Castroite club.
Probable a so called moderate.
In other words Marxism with a Human face.

Non entity returns!
what was on Al-Jazeera tonight?

Non entity returns!
what was on Al-Jazeera tonight?

"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher

You know, JDogg, your act is getting stale. Better go back to Ann Coulter and steal (excuse me, borrow) some more lines.

Mr. Spock,
I have refutted anything you have said with historical facts.
Leftists like you don't know history.
Islam is an opressive system.
yet you defend it.
Do you know that if the Islamo-Fascist ever took over the US which they could with the help of the likes of you, your ilk would be the 1st with your heads cut off.
As for ann Coulter she's a dumb blonde.
My ideas are my own and people of my Ideology.
We are going to form The American People's Nationalist Libertarian party.
Our goal is nothing short but the destruction of Islam.
It is a cancer that must be remove.
Also It's America's destiny to rule this world.
To unite mankind for freedom.
It will be one empire under God!
It's time for this country to grow up and become an Empire so that way, instead of having our youth kill each other in Gang violence we direct their energy to conquest.
It would also eliminate poverty since we can take other nation's land.
That will be the parties goal.
You'd be suprise how many American's would agree to this.
It makes more sence than the Neo-Cons and the Lefties Naive view of the world.
You'll see, give us a generation and this new ideology will sppread.
Then we'll settle scores with the Islamic Barbarians.

Also It's America's destiny to rule this world.
To unite mankind for freedom.
It will be one empire under God!

1. For what must be the millionth time - this is not a Christian nation. The Founders were Deists, not Christians.

2. An empire? It's been tried, many times by many countries and many tin-plated men who thought they could do it. They all failed.

3. Even if you could take control, you think you'd be able to do anything? China and Russia would attack first to prevent any pre-emptive strike by an agressive United States. And they have the same nuclear capability we have, so Mutually Assured Destruction is guaranteed.

It's time for this country to grow up and become an Empire so that way, instead of having our youth kill each other in Gang violence we direct their energy to conquest.

Yesh, you go to South Central L.A. and sell that. Or Harlem. Or Little Havana down in Miami. The result would be the same.

You'd be suprise how many American's would agree to this.

World conquest isn't high on the average American's priority list, so I'm betting the number's pretty low. Most people are more worried about feeding their family.

Hey, Trekkie, how about SHUTTING UP? I wish Fox News could take your chocolate crusted keyboard away from you and your lousy liberal friends, cause I'm the KING, dammit, the KING!

Hey, Trekkie, how about SHUTTING UP? I wish Fox News could take your chocolate crusted keyboard away from you and your lousy liberal friends, cause I'm the KING, dammit, the KING!

Not enough bile and hatred there, so I'm afraid your impression only merits a C-minus.

They always say that guys like Chertoff aren't on their way out. It's the same thing when an owner gives a head coach in football a "vote of confidence" - code for "we're gonna fire him when no one's looking".

Plus, if Chertoff knew he was getting thrown under the bus, he'd start doing what Michael Brown is doing now. But after they ax him, he's just another "disgruntled former member of the Bush Administration".

The biggest screw up in this latest episode in the Olbermann/O'Reilly fracas, is Bill O'Reilly.

What's the expression? "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get filthy, but the pig likes it."
Here's another quote that Trekkie might appreciate. "There's no profit in it."

O'Reilly should have been content to allow Keith "Easter Island Head" Olbermann to continue to act as his publicist. It's hard to tell which of them has the biggest ego, but Olbermann knows he risks nothing here. It's not like he's doing a Bernard Goldberg and taking on Dan Rather or ....that's he's criticising a prominent Democrat... and Olbermann can only benefit from any publicity.

O'Reilly typically gets a hundred thousand responses or so to any of the questions he poses in his polls. So if there's a low response to his asking people to sign a petition to get Donahue reinstated, it's because most O'Reilly viewers (including myself) can't stand Donahue, and would hate to see him return to TV.

Most of O'Reilly's viewers probably don't know who the hell Keith Olbermann is, and don't get the real intent of O'Reilly initiating the petition.

Sorry; the above comment was to be addressed to "Darren Waltz".

On the "AH-HA Katrina tapes" story, the difference between a "topping" and a "breech" is made clearer in the following story from the NO Times Picayune.

In the last paragraph below, some levees held without problem despite some topping of waves. The levees referred to are along the Mississippi -- and not Lake Ponchartrain.

What this implies (for any to consider) is that water flowing into low lying areas from topping stops after the storm is over, when the levees hold. Water flowing through a breech does not stop, as you recall from the days after the storm. The faucet keeps running and running.

Therefore, dealing with the difficulties of a topping are different from dealing with a breech, and none of the warning suggested the levees would breech.

However, I recall the media reporting that NO had dodged the bullet shortly after the storm passed -- even though the breeches in the Lake Ponchartrain levees had actually begun. So, maybe the media didn't understand what a breech was then and that explains why they can't now either.

Monday, January 23, 2006 --

Title: "Levee system along river held its ground in storm"

"In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, LSU storm researcher Hassan Mashriqui has spent a lot of time looking at failed levees in southeastern Louisiana...

"Over a 24-hour period starting Aug. 28 at midnight, the river levees were exposed to a storm surge that reached 15 to 20 feet along their entire length below New Orleans, Louisiana State University and the Army Corps of Engineers said. South of Port Sulphur, the levees faced sustained winds of 115 mph that were driving waves topping 10 feet. That pounding was augmented by rammings from breakaway barges, some of which were thrust on top of the levees.

"Yet little of the damage was a serious threat to the levees, corps officials said.

"In metropolitan New Orleans, where the levees rise to 25 feet, a 12-foot surge lifted the river to 15 � feet in eight hours, and 4- to 5-foot waves sometimes washed over the levee crowns, leaving behind a trail of debris."

OTW, I'm taking bets on the lead story for tomorrow night.

Odds are 10-to-1 that the White House going after leaks is going to be it.

Takers?

Taking bets on the lead story for tomorrow night.

Odds are 10-to-1 that the White House going after leaks is going to be it.

Takers?

Well, I'll offer a different bet. I'll get Olby won't even show up. He'll take the week off.

I agree with the earlier post that for news, go to CNN or Fox. MSNBC is not the worst of the cable stations though. How about CNBC? Think of it...Donnie Deutsch and "Mad Money" on the same station. Just plain awful. As for Countdown: I agree that is needs to be replaced by something better but by what and who? The somewhat better ratings for the night that Buck O'Neill was on Countdown would seem to indicate that maybe Olbermann needs to get back to sports only and leave the hard news for someone else. It was nice to see the genuine sincerity on his face when discussing the O'Neill story, however. When the big stories have hit such as the death of the Pope and Kitrina coverage at the time...Keith seems to do very well in suppressing his own ego and focusing on the bigger picture. I know that this forum seems to exist just to bash Olbermann and perhaps he deserves it but sometimes it doesn't hurt to give credit when it is due. Just because I think that Countdown is bad doesn't mean that I think Olbermann is the devil in disguise.

jdogg = you, my man, are nuttier than ratshit!!! I love it!!!!

Oops - watchin those damn america-hatin actors - got my rodents confused - nuttier than squirrel shit.

WOW=A JDOGG classic:

To the Marxist Islamic loving scum.
I am not a Nazi, I'm a supporter of the Stae of Israel, you guys sympathize with the Islamo-Fascist.
By the way the Nazi's were leftists hense the name National Scoialist!
Hugo chavez the new leftist idol is a Nazi.
I believe in a free society, economic and social values for all that makes me a Libertarian.
However I believe in freedom only for my country and real allies.
All other nations shoild be destroyed or made vassal tribute states.
On social issues I am to the left of Andy Warhol and John Lennon.
On foreign policy, I am to the right of Genghis Khan, Julius Ceasar and Phillip II of Spain.
Real Imperialism by conquest and domination, unlike the Iraq charade is the solution to all of America's social ills.
So to Swashbucket, Non-Person and that other Commie, I am Nationalistic libertarian or Libertarian Nationalist.
Also I'm Hispanic so I,m not a Nazi.
But that what Moaists like you do, accuse any one right of center of being a Nazi.
However the Nazi's were Left wing Racist Socialists.
So the Nazi's are your ideological comrades.
Comrades!
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I hate trottin out the educational credentials, and i don't think you need a stellar CV to make a valid point, but good god man, your post is just plain crazy. I have to ask where you learned, or didn't learn, this stuff. I mean seriously, Leftist Nazis (no apostrophe - save those for possessives) WTF??????

I have refutted anything you have said with historical facts. -- The Nazi
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LOL! Where? Unsubstantiated erroneous rantings are not historical facts.

BTW, pointing out that you support Israel does not mean that you are not a Nazi. A true Nazi would be an ideological racist, meaning that they would support the idea that differing races should, if not must, have their own countries, with no co-mingling. If you actually wanted to stress the point that you are not a Nazi, you would indicate that you believe in the equality of the races in America, be they white, black, hispanic, oriental, martian, whatever.
Likewise, you apparently have no concept of history. Yes the German Nazis were called National Socialists, but they were not socialists. Matter of fact, Hitler's number one rivals were the communists/socialists! That was how he came to power!
It's the same as today's Conservatives calling themselves Christians when they completely and utterly ignore the teachings of Christ.

Gloria,KO is probably the most insincere person on TV.His show is about Keith and about irritating people who have the temerity to be more sucessful than he can ever be.I find most of his personal attacks have a real mean spiritedness to them.
As for his Buck O'Neill,totally self-aggrandizing.He's an emtertainer who is only concerned with his image.

"Leftists like you don't know history... It's America's destiny to rule this world."

Wow JDogg, as you're such an astute student of history, refresh my memory please; haven't a few people tried that? Oh let me see, what were their names... right!... Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... hmmm how did those guys make out with their little "We're going to rule the world" experiment?

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