The first I heard "whistle-blower was 8:10:43. JD did you have the counter running? I wonder how many times whistle-blower was said after that? It seemed after Dean said it, it felt like the flood gates were opened! Had to make sure it was drummed into the Loons heads I guess.

Oh and "worst president?" I think Mr. Bush has a ways to go before he can pass Jimmy Carter.

And during his O'Reilly rant, did Keith say shrinking numbers? 2.4 million to 600,000? O'Reilly, 4 times the viewers and Keith is climbing? What, the George Washington Bridge to jump off?

A happy and fun weekend to all!

Seems like if lady was exposing extra-legal and immoral activity by the goverment, that would define whistle blower.
So what constitutes whistle blowing to you guys?
The DRUDGE REPORT? I don't think it's whistles Matt's been blowing.

> Seems like if lady was exposing extra-legal and immoral activity by the goverment, that would define whistle blower.

No, whistle-blower protection is defined by law. If it involves national security or classified information, stealing it and giving it to a reporter is NOT protected. The law is that she must go to either her superiors or to the relevant oversight personnel in Congress with the information. NOT to Dana Milbank. Doing the latter just makes her a thief.

The proper way to be considered a whistle-blower is to go to one of authority (in this case Congress). Someone with oversight responsibility, who is cleared for the classified information. Not a reporter.

What if she had called you and told you. Would that be a whistle-blower? No. It would be revealing classified information. Even John Dean admitted it was at least breach of cntract and possibly theft of government secrets.

Also, an interesting side I noticed. KO led the Harriet Miers piece by saying "someone you probably didn't know was still around." Does KO really think that viewers don't know Harriet Miers was still White House counsel? We hear all the time how much smarter CD fans are than those of us who are critics. Apparently KO, on the other hand, his viewers are uninformed and forgetful. Probably explains alot about his broadcast style.

Sorry for repeating you Johhny$. I was typing my answer while you were posting.

But I think she went to Dana Priest, not Milbank.

Not important, but I don't want you to get hammered by the Olby-fans.

Yeah, Dana Priest. Dana Milbank. They do look a lot alike!

Whistle blowing was around and honorable long before laws protecting whistle blowers were.
Decency and conscience have compelled many people to break the law.
Mary McCarthy is a National Hero, as is Daniel Ellsberg and Colleen Rowley, provided she did not do it for personal gain.
Condi Rice, on the other hand whom we have just learned leaked national defense information to a pro-Israel lobbyist, and Pres. Bush, who authorized the leaking of a covert CIA agents identity for crass political reasons should both be in prison.

IT always amuses me when you guys think you're making BUSH look better by comparing him to other "worse" presidents. First of all, you never make someone look better by comparing them to someone who is "worse". If Bush was Jimmy Carter, he would be encouraging conservation of oil and reducing dependence on foreign oil. In fact, Jimmy Carter did that and Ronald Reagan gave it all away and eliminated the gas guzzler tax that Carter instituted. And here we are today with gas over $3.00 a gallon. Instead, we have an impotent administration, embroiled in scandal, and unable to deal with the issues that are going to drag this country to the bottom.

Have a nice day.

Going to Congress would have been preferable, of course, had there been committee chairmen with suppoena power who were interested in investigating Bush's abuse of power. Short of that, the media is the only way to get those storys out. Hopefully, that issue will be resolved in November.
I'd sorta forgotten about Justice Meiers at the White House. Don't think that's a name they want out there in front of their dwindling base.

Dana Milbank the Chinacom lover!
He should go move to China and work for their great governmnet!
Read his Sympathy for the Fascist leader Hu!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/20/AR2006042001946.html

Thanks for the link, O'Ruler. That was a great read. Wish Mr. Milbank worked for a newspaper that would have allowed him to write the whole truth: That our Bumbler In Chief has once again embarrassed our Great Nation. Oh well, at least he didn't vomit on him.

Blew-caller....... What is Vito Spatafore doing on this board?

WTF
If you are trying to imply I'm gay to insult me, sorry. Unlike Vito, I'm not a closet case. I'm OUT and PROUD. But it's irrelevant to the issues being discussed here, unless your underlying reason for hating KO is self loathing and latent homosexuality, and somehow KO threatens your manhood.

Blucaller,
The fact is that the China is a Fascist regime that kills and tortures it's people. As a Liberal you should be happy for that lady that called Hu a murderer.
China is an enemy state so I'm glad they were humiliated.
I wish it had been done intentional. But something you Leftists can't comprehend is that the US has enemies.
The left is so blinded by hatred of Bush that you guys defend even a murderous regime!

That's why I bash the Left becuase you guys hate your own government so much that if this was the 30's you'd all be rooting for Hitler. Hitler was a socialist so that wouldn't have been inconcievable!

Wow it was just a wild guess. Who would have blew.... I mean knew. Happy antiquing. And no, I feel neither threatened or self loathing. That’s your hang-up. The point with your orange faced friend is that both he and you think he is a serious news reporter. You’re both wrong. Keith never subjects himself to any serious scrutiny. He hides behind the comfortable confines on his desk in Secaucus. You, I am not sure what you hide behind and I don't think I really want to know. Enjoy, the white corn pancakes. But be careful, ... there addictive.

Pine away, Keith, pine away, for those good old days of Bill Clinton. You know, the good old days of Slick Willie getting a bj while talking on the phone and sending troops into harms way. Not giving sufficient war materials to our troops in Somalia, killing innocent Serbian civilians while bombing the hell out of Belgrade, killing 80 some people down in Waco, Texas at the Branch Davidian compound, the first world trade center bombing, spending an exorbinant amount of FBI time and money staking out those big and bad pro-lifers, sending Elian Gonzales back to that communist hell known as Cuba, the Federal Building in Oklahoma City getting blown up, two embassies in Africa and the USS Cole being attacked, invading Haiti and putting a communist priest who advocated the torture of his political opponents back in power ,
letting China steal military secrets, making sure
the IRS audited political critics. Those 8 years of Bill Clinton were the dark ages for this country and they were 8 years that I will never get back. So listen up, leftist scum. You've got over 2 years left with W. so stop whining and take your medecine.
I believe the 5 worst presidents of all time were, and not neccessarily in this order, Woodrow Wilson, JFK, LBJ, Carter, and Bill Clinton. I'm sure that Keith Olbermann's list is a little different.
Here's a little friendly advice for you, Keith. Stop the flirting with Bill O'Reilly. Or just come out and declare your love for him already. When is MSNBC going to give the 8 o'clock slot to Scarborough?

Oh, and Keith, it's still not to late to have the Schindler family on. Just think. You can be the one to finally be the one to get them to accept " reality" because they do seem so ill informed. Oh, and while you're at it, have on anybody who could whip your ass in an argument. In other words HAVE ON ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU! Man, that made me horse. It's 2006. There's no more left wing media monopoly. Wake up and smell the Olbermann Watch.

I love the smell of truth in the morning. It smells like........ Victory!

The Great Clinton who did nothing about Al-Qaeda and gave the Chinese Nuclear technology for campaign cash!
Did't Olbermann admitt recently that he gets intructions from Chaiwoman Madame Hillary?

I agree that China is Fasist. I'm not sure we should even be hosting Hu. And I think the protesting lady was very brave.
I also suspect she got thru the vetting process the same way Jeff Gannon got thru at least 168 times (many after midnite), as a ringer, and was there with the full co-operation of the White House, to appease Bush's base.
I don't know how many of the protocol violations were the result of an Administration in way over it's head, or how many were orchestrated, but it still is another international disgrace.

Honestly, who cares I'm glad the Chiness Fascists were emabrrassed!

There once was a man from Secaucus
Whose show was rowdy and raucous.
But the truth was much bleaker
For the left wing truth seeker
His show was completely obnoxious.

Who the hell cares what Kuddly Keith says? As long as he is on the tube every night so that I can listen to that magical voice and look at that handsome sexy face wrapped up in a gorgeous package tied with one of his great ties, that's good enough for me.

Has anyone noticed that Keith is becoming more playful and smiling more lately? My God he's gorgeous!!!!!!!

You people can worry about his news reporting all you want and nit pick every single thing he does, and I'll continue to defend him because he is the man that all of you (men) want to be!!!!

The Chinese are incensed. America is embarrassed.
We should all care. Bush continues to squander our international prestige and credibility. Thank God his enormous disapproval ratings are signaling the rest of the world that he lacks the support of our great citizenry, and that his administration will soon be gone. If he doesn't bring on his beloved Armegeddon first.

I love how these polls are somehow supposed to tr anslate into good news for the demoncats. Maybe they'll sweep into power, especially if the 2005 races in New Jersey and Virginia are any indication. Let's talk about Virginia, shall we. Here's a state that has gone 55 to 45 in favor of the Republican presidential canidate the last several elections. It went big for Reagan and Bush and voted in democrat governors. So, what a laugh riot it was when Tim Kaine succeeded Mark Warner, both dems, as the governor.But something happened that didn't get a lot of mainstream press coverage. In Virginia, the governor, lt. governor, and attorney general are all voted for seperately, like some other states. Going in, the dems had governor and lt. governor, with the attorney general being a republican. Long story longer, now they just have the governor. I believe that's a net loss of one, hmmm? Oh, and both the house of delegates and the state senate are republican controlled. Virginia ain't in play. I was told as much by my buddy at the diebold plant. But all kinds of people are moving into Virginia and other southern states. And that includes conservatives.

Blucaller,
The reason his approval is low is because he's percieved as weak and isn't tough enough on the Left.
If used all the powers of the governamnt to go after the Left and let the Shiites and Kurds massacre the Sunnis and Their Al-Qaeda allies. His approval would be at 60%.
Most Americans could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Only the Left does.

To all on the Left,
If you guys hate Bush, wait until Guiliani becomes president. He'll really teach all of you's a lesson. He'll Audit George Soros, Moveon.org, NY Times,etc...
He'll finish off the your Islamo-Fascist buddies once and for all.
He'll throw seditionist terrorist sympathizing journalist in jail.
He'll do for this country what Pinochet did in Chile.
Put the fear into the hearts of leftists.
Then you all will be wishing for the days of the Bush presindency.
I can't wait!

China is hereby invited to a state dinner at my house where the entire delegation can kiss my ass! And did anyone notice the asian reporter who was trying to cover her mouth? It was in the Washington Times today. The more I thought that it might be a chinese journalist, the more I just steamed. But welcome to America, Mr. Hu. You're not in your little bubble anymore. Sorry, but you can't have her executed and then have her harvested for her organs like back home. Man, that commie thug looked quite startled, didn't he? That's the face Keith is going to make when he finally has an opposite viewpoint on his cute little show. As for Mr. Hu, I would hope that Bush arranged the protester shouting at the red chinese leader. I hope he leaned over and said, " That's payback for the whole spy plane shit you pulled a couple of years back, motherf#$%&@."

And Rudy will let that homo couple he was living with after he got caught cheating on his wife move into Jeff Gannon's old room in the White House, and he'll probably personally set up an abortion clinic in the Oval office. Because that's what the Republican base that's going to give him the nomination wants, right?

To all of us who LIKE Keith!

"Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow" (or will Keith be talking about soon)! I can just hear Keith now say - "Karl Rove to be indicted. Just as the news broke Wednesday about Scott McClellan resigning as White House press secretary and Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove shedding some of his policy duties, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald met with the grand jury hearing evidence in the CIA leak case and introduced additional evidence against Rove, attorneys and other US officials close to the investigation said.

The grand jury session in federal court in Washington, DC, sources close to the case said, was the first time this year that Fitzgerald told the jurors that he would soon present them with a list of criminal charges he intends to file against Rove in hopes of having the grand jury return a multi-count indictment against Rove.

In an interview Wednesday, Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove remains a "subject" of Fitzgerald's two-year-old probe.

"Mr. Rove is still a subject of the investigation," Luskin said. In a previous interview, Luskin asserted that Rove would not be indicted by Fitzgerald, but he was unwilling to make that prediction again Wednesday.

"Mr. Fitzgerald hasn't made any decision on the charges and I can't speculate what the outcome will be," Luskin said. "Mr. Rove has cooperated completely with the investigation."

Fitzgerald is said to have introduced more evidence Wednesday alleging Rove lied to FBI investigators and the grand jury when he was questioned about how he found out that Valerie Plame Wilson worked for the CIA and whether he shared that information with the media, attorneys close to the case said.

Fitzgerald told the grand jury that Rove lied to investigators and the prosecutor eight out of the nine times he was questioned about the leak and also tried to cover-up his role in disseminating Plame Wilson's CIA status to at least two reporters.

Additionally, an FBI investigator reread to jurors testimony from other witnesses in the case that purportedly implicates Rove in playing a role in the leak and the campaign to discredit Plame Wilson's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, whose criticism of the Bush administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence lead to his wife being unmasked as a covert CIA operative.

Luskin said Rove has not discussed any plea deal with Fitzgerald.

"Mr. Rove's cooperation is not contingent on any plea agreement with the prosecutor," Luskin said. "He has always cooperated voluntarily and unconditionally."

Luskin would not discuss the substance of his most recent communication with Fitzgerald nor would he say whether Rove would testify against his former White House colleague, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, who was indicted in the leak case for perjury and obstruction of justice.

Luskin wouldn't comment on whether the investigation of Rove continues to center on alleged misleading statements to which Rove testified regarding a July 2003 conversation he had about Plame Wilson with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper.

Sources close to the investigation, however, confirmed that is exactly what Fitzgerald has continued to focus on and what he discussed with the grand jury Wednesday.

Luskin said that Rove simply forgot about his conversation with Cooper when he testified before the grand jury because Rove had been dealing with other pressing matters, such as Bush's reelection campaign.

Rove's story began to unravel when Fitzgerald discovered the existence of an email Rove sent to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley after he spoke with Cooper on July 11, 2003.

Rove did not disclose the existence of the email during his first two appearances before the grand jury. Rove testified that he found out about Plame Wilson after her identity was disclosed in several news stories.

"I didn't take the bait," Rove wrote in the email to Hadley immediately following his conversation with Cooper. "Matt Cooper called to give me a heads-up that he's got a welfare reform story coming. When he finished his brief heads-up he immediately launched into Niger. Isn't this damaging? Hasn't the president been hurt? I didn't take the bait, but I said if I were him I wouldn't get Time far out in front on this."

Hadley, sources said, is also a subject of the investigation.

In December, Luskin made a desperate attempt to keep his client out of Fitzgerald's crosshairs.

Luskin revealed to Fitzgerald that Viveca Novak - a reporter working for Time magazine who wrote several stories about the Plame Wilson case - inadvertently tipped him off in early 2004 that her colleague at the magazine, Matt Cooper, would be forced to testify that Rove was his source who told him about Plame Wilson's CIA status.

Novak - who bears no relation to syndicated columnist Robert Novak, the journalist who first published Plame Wilson's name and CIA status in a July 14, 2003, column - met Luskin in Washington, DC, in the summer of 2004, and over drinks, the two discussed Fitzgerald's investigation into the Plame Wilson leak.

Luskin assured Novak that Rove learned Plame Wilson's name and CIA status after it was published in news accounts and that only then did he phone other journalists to draw their attention to it. But Novak told Luskin that everyone in the Time newsroom knew Rove was Cooper's source and that he would testify to that in an upcoming grand jury appearance, these sources said.

According to Luskin's account, after he met with Viveca Novak he contacted Rove and told him about his conversation with her. The two of them then began an exhaustive search through White House phone logs and emails for any evidence that proved that Rove had spoken with Cooper. Luskin said that during this search an email was found that Rove sent to Hadley immediately and it was subsequently turned over to Fitzgerald.

Still, Rove's account of his conversation with Cooper went nothing like he described in his email to Hadley, according to an email Cooper sent to his editor at Time magazine following his conversation with Rove in July 2003.

"It was, KR said, [former Ambassador Joseph] Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized [Wilson's] trip," Cooper's July 11, 2003, email to his editor said.

Reporting this story, Our Guest tonight....Jason Leopold of Truthout Dot Org""

"Our #4 Story in the Countdown, reveals that Bob Ney Needs your help" (Cut to Scene):

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_patriotboy_archive.html#114560267755044140

Court filing in case of indicted Bush official suggests Ohio congressman provided false report to Congress. Our report tonight by John Byrne and Ron Brynaert of Raw Story Dot Com

A pre-trial motion filed by federal prosecutors in the case of indicted former Bush Administration official David Safavian contends that his share of the costs in a trip to play golf in Scotland and England arranged by convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff should have been nearly five times more than what he paid, RAW STORY has found.

Perhaps more significantly, however, it also provides the first formal evidence that powerful Ohio Republican Bob Ney, then chairman of the House Administration Committee provided false figures for the cost of his own trip to Scotland. Ney has been under fire for his role in allegedly helping Abramoff aid his clients in violation of House ethics rules and possibly federal laws.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Court_filing_in_case_of_indicted_0421.html

"Our Number 3 Story tonight in the Countdown, Condi Rice Leaked National Security Secrets"

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice leaked national defense information to a pro-Israel lobbyist in the same manner that landed a lower-level Pentagon official a 12-year prison sentence, the lobbyist's lawyer said Friday......

Finally, the reign of non stop pro Bush Propaganda lead by Faux, is coming to an end!

You wing nuts deserve all the bad news that is heading your way. It's long over due and only because more and more news people are going to follow the lead of a someone with Balls and Integrity who is the new Edward R. Murrow--way to go Keith!

Does anyone know if MSNBC is still in more homes via cable and satellite dishes than Fox News. I know that it was that way for a while. But even in the days when MSNBC and CNN were in many more homes than fox, Fox still won in the ratings.

Here's a challenge for the libs out there. Show us conservatives how Fox news is so right wing and how the other media are the real fair and balanced ones. How even though Judy Woodruff is the wife of lefty tool Al Hunt, it didn't cloud her judgement. How about George Steponallofus on "This Week", Christianne Amanpour on CNN ( wife of Jamie Rubin, state dept. spokesman under Clinton) Tim Russert and Chris Matthews working for Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Tip O'Neil, respectively. How about Katie Couric's late sister being an extremely liberal state delegate in Virginia. Dare I say the two scariest words in the English language. Bryant Gumbel!!

So come on lefties, give me some names. And I mean names of the news deliverers, not the opinion shows. It's always a hoot when a lib says Fox is conservative because of Sean Hannity. Really? Is MSNBC conservative for having Joe Scarborough on the air? Hell, Fox news is liberal because of Alan " Take me to your leader" Colmes. So you guys have got to think this through and not look like jackasses. I'll end by saying that Fox would never let anyone do a Keith Olbermann like show, be he liberal or conservative. They'd become a laughing stock overnight and would have ratings like, well, MSNBC.

Ron Russell,
I can hardly wait for that episode. These Olberphobes are just too freaked that there is someone out there leading the charge in the name of truth, and his following is growing, and starting to include a slowly awakening press.
Fox news is so last year.

There once was a man with no gonads
Who would parrot all the left wing attack ads.
To nobody's surprise,
He would spew out his lies,
For John Dean, he would dust off the knee pads.

You know what, I believe that Keith does present both sides to an issue. The liberal and the left-wing are equally presented on his little watched but critically acclaimed. Now you other lefties out there, I know you need you Bush bashing fix so be sure and see American Dreamz this weekend. Hey, maybe you'll see your hero Keith Olbermann at a theatre near you. He'll be laughing loudly, saying " It's funny 'cuz it's true!"

And a little prediction for all the Keith Olbermann rim jobbers out there. KK will be out of work before W leaves office. Book it, haters!

"Keith Olbermann rim jobbers out there"
OOOOHHHH....
What's that all about. Patrick? Did they give you a hard time (and not in a good way you wanted)
in Jr. High School? Does watching Keith bring these thoughts to your mind?
Much as I admire and appreciate KO, if it would mean Bush had to leave office (Or in your case orafice) I would wish Keith Godspeed on his next venture, and bet he's enough of a patriot that he'd do it for the good of his country.

Patrick,
I meant to ask if they gave you a hard time about your last name. If they did, I'm sorry. They were a bunch of insensitive teen-age boys, and I bet most of them have outgrown their obcession with gay sex. They probably don't even know the damage they did or that they left you obcessed with gay sex for life. Shame on them.

Speaking of names, you asked for some.
Howard Kurtz is married to GOP operative Sheri Annis. Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan. Campbell Brown just married Dan Senor.
Who knows whether or not Daryn Kagen and Rush Limbaugh are still bumping uglies.
Another one that comes to mind and is in the news a lot right now is Tony Snow. Brit Hume is proudly right wing, as is absolutely ANYONE who works at FOX eccept the purposely ineffectual allen colmes.
Russert and Matthews are no more Democrats than Strom Thurmond was his last 40 years in office or Zell Miller and Joe Leiberman are now.
Those two, along with most of the other former political insiders who landed jobs in the media were just hacks who are now access journalists in the tradition of Bob Woodward and have long since betrayed any principles so they could snuggle up to whoevers in power.
Their troubles are just about to start. November, the investigations start!

from mediamatters.org

Carl Cameron has:
-fabricated statements from Senator John Kerry during the 2004 presidential race as part of a "parody" of the Democratic candidate; he included them in an October 1 "Trail Tales" report on the FOX News website. The article was removed soon afterwards, but an archived version is available here;
-reported that Democrats favor a "stonewall strategy" on Social Security and applied various inaccurate labels to the candidates vying for the Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairmanship;
inaccurately reported that Bush never said "mission accomplished";
-falsely claimed that in a September 20, 2004, speech, Kerry referred to Bush as a "warmonger who wants a perpetual state of war around the world"; and misstated facts about Democratic campaign rallies.

JIM ANGLE has:

-repeated Republican spin that Social Security is "heading for an iceberg ... unless significant reforms are undertaken," while failing to note that Democrats and many independent economists say that Social Security is not in fact in crisis;
-repeated a Washington Times misquote of Kerry, alleging he had supported a pre-emptive war with Iraq in 1997;
-echoed White House comments on the release of Bush's military records; and
presented a misleading explanation of an August 2004 Congressional Budget Office report in an attempt to blunt criticism of Bush's tax cuts.

NBC claims it's a "news show"
That claim is false, we all know
Meltdown's parade of loons
Sing the same worn-out tunes
To the host with the curious glow

blu,

I love these "revelations" from Media Matters for America. You've got THREE whole examples each of bias coming from these two FNC reporters.

When McClellan resigned we go this from MMFA: The many falsehoods of Tony Snow. Here's a guy who has been a columnist, Sunday morning talk show anchor and radio show host for about 20 years and they came up with SEVEN (count 'em) supposed falsehoods. Unlike Angle and Cameron Tony is not even a reporter. By the time they get to #3 on their list it is obvious how hard they had to reach to compile their list:

"Snow claimed that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is the "most liberal justice in American history," despite evidence to the contrary."

This is a falsehood? It sounds like an opinion to me. Kind of like the opinion might get from a conservative columnist or talk show host.

If you really want to see what a list of examples of falsehoods and bias coming from looks like go visit the Media Research Center web site:

Katie Couric

Peter Jennings

Dan Rather

Unlike the left claiming to find bias at FNC, the right can cite thousands and thousands of examples, bias that can be found every single day in the big city newspapers and broadcast news divisions.

Angle, Cameron? Give me a break!

If you can't even acknowledge that FOX news people are biased, this arguement is beyond pointless, it's completely laughable! Brent Bozell's MRC? Geeze, nevermind. It's pretty clear you've long since gone over the edge.

> Howard Kurtz is married to GOP operative Sheri Annis. Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan. Campbell Brown just married Dan Senor.

This has always struck me as the most brainless argument one could possibly make. By this logic, Mary Matalin must be a far-left Democrat, because she married James Carville.

Not to mention how little relevance it has to the unique biases and propaganda shilling of Krazy Keith Olbermann.

Patrick Fegan wrote: "Here's a challenge for the libs out there. Show us conservatives how Fox news is so right wing and how the other media are the real fair and balanced ones. How even though Judy Woodruff is the wife of lefty tool Al Hunt, it didn't cloud her judgement. How about George Steponallofus on "This Week", Christianne Amanpour on CNN ( wife of Jamie Rubin, state dept. spokesman under Clinton)"

so, while I agree with your premice, I was responding in kind to his challenge.

blu

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that there is political bias at Fox News. I don't recall every saying there wasn't. That said, I don't think Cameron and Angle are your two best examples and you have given us three very lame examples to support your "case" against them. The case for bias at FNC isn't because of BOR or Hannity; they don't pretend to be objective. The bias within the news oepration exists in the story selection (both what they cover and don't cover), the video editing, the selection of guests, the type of interview questions asked, and so on.

Fox News was created as TV programming that would appeal to the segment of the viewing public that disliked what they saw as the liberal slant of network news and CNN. Basically, the shows and story selection was intended to appeal to the "angry white male" audience that was listening to Rush Limbaugh. Murdoch did this not because he was trying to brainwash America into voting Republican but because he saw a business opportunity in serving an unserved marked. It is what KO is trying to with Countdown in going after the Deaniac/MoveOn crowd. It's called capitalism.

I don't know how old you are or how long you have been an observer of the media in this country but there is no doubt that 25 years ago that the big newspapers and the broadcast networks took their marching orders from The New York Times which was advancing a liberal/Democrat agenda. Many large city newspapers were run by editors who spent many years as editors at The New York Times before getting a shot to run their own paper. There is so little doubt that this was the case that I am not willing to entertain this as a topic of debate - either educate yourself on this fact or be quiet.

That has certainly changed so that today we have a wide open media that includes all sorts of news and newstainment programming at the local and national level.

I don't see anything wrong with FNC going after conservative viewers and nothing wrong with KO going after liberal viewers. At the same time I don't see anything wrong with you complaining about Fox or me complaining about Countdown.

That said, it is still a battle of ideas and if you want to win you have come equipped with facts.

If the worst thing you can say about Carl Cameron is that he posted a satirical article to the Fox News website then you really haven't brought a lot to the discussion.

For every Carl Cameron you throw at me I can toss back a Katie Couric, a Dan Rather or a Peter Jennings - all of them with far biggest audiences, at far bigger networks, with far more influence (in Jennings case when he was on air) and a far large, longer history of bias in their reporting and interview style.

Robert,
I expect I'm older than you. I have been a news junkie all my life. I subscribe to the age old notion that the purpose of the 4th Estate is to "Comfort the Afflicted and Afflict the Comfortable," which is what the hypocrites on the right professed to be doing until their side was in power. Ever since, MSMs only role seems to be to disparage and attack anyone who gets in the way of their agenda, or to scratch the Administrations back.
You don't need me to provide you with examples of bias in the media, and it's not only FOX news.

25 years ago things might have been different, but most journalistic bias is toward access and pleasing the Corporations that write their checks now. And who runs those?
Most of the media, until very recently, have served as an echo chamber for the neocons, to stay in their good graces and to keep the leaks from this cynical, and I think immoral, Administration dripping into their lying mouths.

Keith Olbermann was just the first anchor to show any spine in a long, dark time.
People on the right have been whining about the "liberal media" for so long, they consider any form of questioning or investigation to be evidence of "an agenda" by an erstwhile reporter.

And Robert, just because you like to say frequently "there's no doubt" and "there's little doubt," doesn't make it so or make whatever you're talking about a closed case. It's just code to all of us that "there's little doubt" that your mind is officially closed to information you don't want to be bothered with.

This Carl Cameron thing.

Is this that Episode from the campain 04? Oh man! Now were digging up crap from 2 years ago. This doesn't surprise me.

I never thought I would have a issue with Mr. Cox, but. I don't think Foxnews was created for the angry white male. Thats Kaplin, Turner speak. It was to create a market for the Conservative voice along with the Liberal voice. Fair and Balanced. We report you decide. Gee wizz, it works! Is it 100%? Of course not. But, then again you can turn on C-Span in the morning and you'll get some yahoo calling in and saying C-Span is biased. But I guess Robert in a roundabout way we get to same end. CAPITALISM!!

Olby doesn't put in anywhere near the effort O'Reilly does. Thats why Olby only gets 1/4 the numbers Bil gets. Olby wants better numbers? start giving a better presentation. IT'S CALLED EFFORT!!!!! 80 plus dopey attacks hasn't done it. Putting all you're effort in the first two segments and skating the rest of the show doesn't do. Two year old Carl Cameron and Falafal jokes doesn't do it. Seven year old Bill shouting at someone to shut up video doesn't do it. Blaming you're producers for doing a story you don't want to do just makes you sound like a brat after a few hundred times. and you people get on my case for making fun of Keith's clown feet for a few days. But you're digging up crap from two years ago.

Here this will make you feel better. Did you know Shawn Hannity has big feet? Yep! Shep made a passing dig during friday nights G-Block. So, you know what that means? You can have big feet..... and talent!

Oh one last thing since you want to take a trip in the wayback machine. Ted Turner said about ten years ago he was going to squash Foxnews like a bug......well .....whats keeping you?

O'REILLY: 2,434,000.......OLBY: 610,000

SMELLS LIKE A ROMP TO ME!

Puck,
I agree with you that FOX News has excellent production values, and have heard KO say the same in interviews, so am heartened the three of us have found a place we can agree. I also am tired of the "My producers are making me..." schitck and hope another segue into those segments I seldom bother watching.
The rest of his show I find beautifully written and the interviews are riviting.
I saw a post by Robert a couple of day ago begrudingly aknowledging that Olbermann's ratings ar increasing while O'Reilly's are falling, and admonishing you not to take so much glee in the numbers. He even suggested that a reversal of fortune may be in the works.
If you think historical context (say, going two whole years back..) is unimportant, and what really matters is last nights ratings, then you obviously have no interest in journalism, and this is all sport to you.
About Capitalism. I'm a progressive, and I'd like to have more capital. Then I'd try to do what Rupert Murdock, Richard Mellon Scaife, Bill Gates and George Soros do. Put it where my mouth is.

Blucaller,
You're not a progressive, your a Leftist Socialist. Reading your posts I realize that you're one of these New World Order globalist types.
The fact is most Americans are tired of globalism and want a return to a more Nationalistic/Isolationist policy.

Hey and your dig about Guiliani, most Republicans don't care about his social views. He'll stand up for this countryt agianst the 5th columnist Left like you, The Islamo and Chinese Fascist. He'll tell the Euro-Socilaists to go to hell and stand up for our real allies.
It's funny for someone on the Left you seem to care wether Guiliani had gay friends or not. Why is that.
Because you guys on the Left fear him.
He'll do to the Left here what Pinochet did in Chile, crush you guys like ants!
I can't wait!

- blu

Hey! We found something we can agree on. You wrote "most journalistic bias is toward access". When I spoke at the National Press Club last summer I raised this very issue - and that journalist who practiced "access bias" were doing a tremendous disservice to their readers. For me, this is why blogging/citizen journalism can be so important. Few bloggers harbor dreams of getting invited to the right Beltway bash and no one can take their bully pulpit because they are self-published.

What was good about this panel is that I had a chance to address my comments directly to members of the NPC and the panelists which included Ken Paulson, editor of USA Today, Barbara Cochran, president, Radio-Television News Directors Association, Matt Stearns, Washington correspondent, The Kansas City Star and Lee Thornton, Eaton Professor of Journalism, Philip Merrill College of Journalism, University of Maryland. They did not love hearing the critique.

At other points during the panel (which was taped by C-SPAN and so is "somewhere" on their site) I used that exact phrase - "access bias".

Everyone read this!

http://www.meforum.org/article/920/

I wonder what the Leftists will say about this!

O'Ruler,
You're so wrong about me politically, and I can only surmise you reached into your backside and pulled out a bunch of stock insults.
I don't care about Guiliani having gay friends, but as a Gay Man myself, am always in awe of the Right Wingnuts' hypocracy about those kind of issues, so long as helps them maintain power.
You guys don't give a crap about "Family Values."
All you care about is WEDGE issues that will get Evangelicals to vote with you, against their own economic self interests.

"Everyone read this!"
Geez...
Next thing you know, the mormans will be wanting their own state!

Why are you hanging around this site all weekend? Did the [edited for language] parade get rained out?

WTF,

Congratulations. Your the first right-winger on this site to get an Olby Loon label!

Blucaller,
As to your comments

'but as a Gay Man myself'
I don't give a crap, I'm Hispanic so what!

'Next thing you know, the mormans will be wanting their own state!'
There's a big diffrence between Mormons and Islamo-Fascists. Plus you being gay I highly doubt that you would be accepted in these Islamic community.
But once again your leftist views show, you want the Islamo-Fascists to have enclaves here since they're your allies against the Christian Right.
I'll take the Christian Right against the Anti-Christian Left and their Islamo-Fascist allies any day of the week!

O'Reilly: 2,434,000

Olby; 610,000

But in Blu's world numbers don't mean a thing.
When Olby starts doing 1 million a night every night, then I might take notice.

Now Blu has let it be known that he is a Gay, Hispanic that is an expert on Family values. Well move over Rick Santorum!

I'm a white,single,straight,Polish,male. So whats this all got to do with the price of eggs? Oh thats right in Blu's world I'm evil.

But Blu I have to give you credit, you noticed something. Olby doesn't give a full 60 minutes, he skates about 45 of the show. You agree with me if he wants better ratings, better start giving the FULL EFFORT!!

O'Reilly love him or hate him but you got to give him his props. Bill and his staff work to put on the best show every night. Thats why Moonbats can only hit back with 2 year old Falafal jokes. Hey, I'm still waiting for OREILLYWATCH to start up.

And last weeks numbers don't mean a thing. But stuff that happen two years ago does. OOOOOOOkay, I'm just gona leave that for the rest of the group to decide. By the way, John Kerry let Carl stay on, didn't make a fuss and if I remember correctly said it was no big deal and defended Carl. But two years later you've got you're tightey whiteys in a bunch.

Here let me really set you off. FLORIDA 2000!!! OHIO 2004!!! Wait, wasn't the Great Olby suppose to take care of that? What happen?

O.R.R. has a point Blu, If Islamics took over next week. O.R.R. and I wouldn't have to worry right away but, You would have to start sweating. Think about it. Something about being Gay does tend to tick them off. Hey look what almost happen to that guy that converted to Christianity. They were gona dust him.

If it's sport? Ya know you just gave me a great idea. I could bet Moonbats that O'Reilly will beat Olby in the ratings any night of the week.
TALK ABOUT A SURE BET!

So Olby's ratings "improved to above 500,000? He's still about 1/4 O'Reilly. Problem is all the help he gets from the Soros crowd at Mediamatters/moveon, etc. At least the infusion of Kossacks to his show has moved his ratings above Poker on ESPN.

BTW, if KOS is telling his people to watch the show, how is it he gets more hits a day than Olby?

Hey Derek and Leftists read this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_16