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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    April 26, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - APRIL 26, 2006

    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    KARL ROVE: David Shuster
    TONY SNOW: Dana Milbank, Washington Post
    UNITED 93: Devin Gordon, Newsweek
    BRITTNEY SPEARS: Michael Musto

    "Trial and Error"

    You didn't have to be a member of the Psychic Friends Network to predict what the top story on tonight's Countdown would be. Rove testifies! And yes, Keith Olbermann dragged in the doubly discredited David Shuster to speculate about what it might mean, and to relay the opinions of numerous, unnamed "lawyers". Every negative inference was trumpeted, but what's the point of detailing the Niagara of innuendo from Shuster, when nothing an unreliable hack says can be taken at face value?

    KO also had Tony Snow in his sights, snarking as early as his opening spiel about Snow really being on the White House payroll all along. Of course, that kind of conflicts with all the quotes Olby rattled off yesterday where Mr Snow was critical of Bush. Keith must have hit his head one too many times for his short-term memory loss to be this severe. "Snow Job", "Spin Doctor", and other predictable hilarities preceded that master of satorial flamboyance, Dana Milbank, who was egged on by KO to liken the hiring to the Armstrong Williams situation. Then Keith suddenly remembered those critical columns again. The twists and turns of OlbySpin are just too dizzying to contemplate.

    Poll numbers kicked off the #4 story, which focused on Laura Bush as a campaigner. It was another piece of tape regurgitated from NBC. Oddball preceded a story about a 9/11 memorial that is being opposed by a Republican (surprise!) Congressman. Then the topic turned to the new film "United 93". Keith noted:

    Critics have said it is too soon, not even five years after the tragedy, for a feature film on it.

    "Critics"? All critics? Some critics? He could just as easily have said, "Critics raved about the film". So why did he phrase it as he did? Devin Gordon of Newsweek found the movie to be powerful, but suggested it's not something he wanted to see. He seemed disappointed that the movie stuck to the facts and didn't include some sort of "commentary" on the event.

    Another rerun from the mothership dealt with technology in law enforcement, and the rest of the program was dedicated to celebrity news (Teri Hatcher! Michelle Rodriguez! Tom Cruise! Brittney Spears!). The creepy Michael Musto did his usual shtick, while Keith's pretend forced laughter sounded phonier than ever. Meanwhile, the Media Matters Minute brought us O'Reilly attack #82, for the crime of objecting to a newspaper that he says smeared him. Olby's lifting of this item from the Soros site comes exactly one day after Media Matters put up free PR video of KO's last O'Reilly attack. So this one should appear sometime Thursday.

    It is useless to wonder when Keith will ever report on the scandals involving Mollohan and Jefferson (both Ds), but we had another silent pooch on our mind. It was just two weeks ago when Olby, eager to portray the administration as incompetent, made a screaming headline out of a terror trial in Lodi, California. He put a soundbite in his opening spiel about how innocent the accused was (as it turns out, it was from a hired witness for the defense). He bellowed that the case was weak, and claimed it was all but "irretrievably lost". It was a typical Olbermann propaganda piece in every respect.

    We were reminded of it today when we read that a verdict against the chief suspect in the case had been rendered: Guilty! This trial was headline news when Keith thought he could spin it to make the government look bad. But on tonight's Countdown, Olby couldn't even bother to tell his viewers the verdict, let alone admit his error in dismissing the case as all but lost.

    And that's The Hour of Spin for this, the 68th day of the Keith Olbermann CoverUp.


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    Comon' JD

    The great olby didn't have time to talk about the trial on in California. I mean what do you think he was going to do? Bump the news of TOM CRUISE!

    I wish somehow we could get the ratings in quarter hours. The moonbats here are always defending Olby on the first story but. Do you ever have any of the Olby Derangement Syndrome crowd ever defending the recycled news segment or say how they waited the whole hour for the creepy Musto. I wish we could find that out because I don't think anybody is around watching this waste of air-space at 8:57.

    So what I'm saying is this show sucks so bad, it effects who follows him!

    Ratings don't lie unless you're name is Frosty.

    I used to think the CountClown was worthless. But, I am coming around. His show is great. I love the fact that last night he was trying to pin Tony Snow with hating Bush and tonight he was inferring that Snow is in Bush's back pocket. It's beautiful. And, the other night he tried to analogize the firing of a CIA agent, who broke her contract and her obligations to be a faithful executor of administration policy--and not a policy advocate herself--with the blackballing that resulted from the McCarthy hearings of the '50s. Also, I really enjoy the fact that he inveighs against Republican corruption and doesn't talk about Mollohan or the troubles of McKinney or the ethical problems around Pelosi's husband . . . He also refuses to discuss the Duke case--though we all know if the allegations were true he would be live, on-site, demanding the lax team be hung from the nearest tree, because the nexus of a black female rape victim with white males who, though all from the North, currently reside in the South would reify his marxist "narrative".

    His show is a perfect parody of the mainstream media: non-sequiturs, overt bias, filtering the the news to support the Dems. He's great; from now on I will eschew The Daily Show and Stephen Colbert for my daily dose of fake news and commentary and switch to Uberspinn. The great thing about him is that Olbermann is the butt a joke he doesn't get. Olbermann is the punch-line of his show. Keep up the great work Keith.

    In this world there are things called lies
    Which good folks detest and despise.
    But there are folks on the left
    Who are completely bereft
    Of ideas. But is that a suprise.

    Cynthia McKinney... helping to keep Republicans in control of the congress through 2008.... and maybe longer.

    I read this site occasionally just to see who the deluded 32% are who are still defending this crooked, cronyism administration. And here your are. Good heaven, folks, I think that Rove has to testify for the fifth time is Big News. Perhaps he lied. Perhaps he outed a CIA agent. It?s called perjury. Some,including Bush 41, call it treason. The American people have awakened and the Credibility Gap is widening, just as Bush?s nose is growing longer and longer and longer. And as far as Tony Snow ? so what? He?s a hack who now is getting paid out in the open by the Bush Administration. Good lord, folks, try and love your country and help the troops by standing up against these idiots. It is so important that the people regain the Congress and get these weasels out of office.

    If George W. Bush ran again for president again in 2008, he'd win again. Guaranteed. You know it, I know it. The American people know it. Book it, haters.

    In the spirit of those wacky Emerald Nuts commercials, you know, the ones that go, " Encouraging Norwegians love Emerald Nuts" and "Envious Nomads love...." , how about, " Kooky Oregonians love Kieth Olbermann" or how about " Kazakstani Orgres love Keith Olbermann."

    And, oh ye?ah, let's all stand up for our military and against the idiots in the white house. That same military that voted for Bush/Cheney and who loathe the media's coverage of the war and whose votes in Florida were almost discounted by the Sore/Loserman team, they of the " every vote must count" crowd. Is that the military we're talking about here?

    I can't wait until 2008 when the Democrat nominee for president gets 68% of the popular vote. We are indeed living in historic days. Hell, maybe by 2008, the dem nominee will get 80% of the vote.

    I'd like to congatulate all those involved with the making of the movie " American Dreamz " and their 3.5 million dollar opening over the weekend. Add to that the " West Wing" going off the air ( and not a projectile vomit attack too soon ) and " Commander-in-Chief" about to be impeached for impersonating a television show, it's obvious that the American people's appetite for anything anti-Bush is truly insatiable.

    It's nice to be back on Olbermann Watch. I've been busier than a lie detector machine repair man at an Olbermann family reunion.

    Time for a 12 STEP Program: Time for Patrick and all of you Wingnuts to admit that you are powerless to see the truth because you belive in Bush and NEO CONS, weapons of mass destruction, tax cuts for the rich, family values of tarring gays and lesbians, blacks, hispanics, etc. Time for you to wash your hands and and dry your little brainwashed minds. Time to reread the CONSTITUTION. Time to try and reunite this country divided close to civil war. So much for the uniter. This website is proof of the hatred that is spewed against someone, anyone with a different idea,thought or solution.

    A moonbat poster named Jill
    Gets ever loonier still
    Hates Bush with a passion
    Cause it's the lib fashion
    Thinks the best prez was Bill

    Olberman on Cruise: "I don't want to throw stones here"

    1)How many stones has Olberman thrown tonight all w/o facts attahed

    2) Please correct me but if not mistaken Olberman had "Cruise stories on his show for the last 12 nights. He makes "Acess Hollywood" look like "Face the Nation"

    Great work, Jill!
    Had to drop by and pick up my weeks dose of right wing hatred, stupidity, intellectual impotence and jealousy. Glad to see Puck, Pat Fag, O'Reilly Rules, Johnny Dollar, Ray, and Hank haven't choked to death yet on their own pithy vomit.
    On behalf of Mr. Olbermann, I would like to thank them for watching his show and helping to increase his ever-growing viewership (THIS WOULD BE YOUR CUE TO RUN OFF AND GET O'REILLYS DWINDLING RATINGS, PUCK)>

    Jill,
    ',family values of tarring gays and lesbians, blacks, hispanics, etc,'

    How has Bush attack Hispanics? You're not one and please don't associate us with blacks or gays. We have our own agenda and they have theirs. Actually don't associate blacks with gays neither, they have separate issues.

    If Bush is anti-hispanic expalin this:
    Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042602191_pf.html

    Jill you're just a Marxist ignoramous.
    Hey Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote and that's why you guys lost.

    Yeah Blu!

    I'm still breathing, LOL! How's the Kool-Aid you and Jill have been gulping down these days? Ya know sometimes I wish I was liberal. That way I could spew out hatful moronic garbage on a daily basis. Smear people and say I don't look at ratings (by the way you're boy Keith, still in last place!) unless of course there in my favor. Toss out crap to fit my world. But, ya know I just could never get use to being a gutless wonder or a hit and run smear merchant like Jill Perry.

    But really Blu lets be freinds. Let me sing you a little tune...................................

    LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW!

    And Jill too bad you were not around in the late thirties. Hitler would have loved to have you around for propagandist minister.

    But it refreshing to see that the majority of the folks out there are smart enough not to belive the crap comming out of you're mouth. Then again how can anyone belive someone who has a bad case of OLBY DERANGEMENT SYNDROME!!!!

    O'Reilly: 1,959,000

    Dolby: 448,000

    O'Reilly 4 times the viewers!

    How's the phone booth?

    Hey Blu

    Pretend you're at a N.Y. Rangers game and 17,000 fans are yelling over and over again

    LAST PLACE OLBY! LAST PLACE OLBY! LAST PLACE OLBY!

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/26/DDGEMIEFT61.DTL

    TV critic Tom Goodman wrote:

    "-- We couldn't be happier that more and more people are watching Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" on MSNBC. But come on already, his rise in ratings is only tangentially tied to his beating the snot out of O'Reilly regularly. It was us. We called it. Well, sort of. It doesn't matter in the end, just that you watch. If there's a better newscast for the 21st century, we haven't seen it. "

    Jill-You are so typical.Your self-aggrandizing smears of those you disagree with must do wonders for your self esteem.
    It's obvious you are not up to challenging the regular OW contributors with reasoned arguments.

    There once was a host with no life
    With a man named Bill he would strife
    Whose cage he would rattle
    But always last in their battle
    Turn your back and in goes his knife

    `last night he was trying to pin Tony Snow with hating Bush and tonight he was inferring that Snow is in Bush`s back pocket.`

    you miss the point: to illustrate the hypocrisy of Tony and the right, whose core federalist values should criticize bush, but do not because of gullible, opportunistic fealty.

    ------------

    `a CIA agent, who broke her contract and her obligations`

    alleged; except for reporter contact. first agent fired for mere contact. too bad; don`t politicize intelligence.

    ------------

    `to be a faithful executor of administration policy`

    wrong -- to uphold the constitution, which is anathema to the bush kempf of politicizing intelligence (and science, FEMA, war, voting machines, etc.)

    ----------

    `he inveighs against Republican corruption and doesn`t talk about [the Dems]`

    rage against the inept/illegal/corrupt war machine with the air time you`ve got.

    -------------

    `refuses to discuss the Duke case`

    speculative tabloid story best left for rita cosby.


    His fans think his words are prothetic
    The fact is his show is pathetic
    He’s just a moonbat lib
    He likens himself glib
    Meltdown works like an anesthetic

    At last nights Fox News Sunday party in D.C., Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch delivered some opening remarks, letting listners know that "this is the 55th month in a row that we've beat CNN." And asking, "Does anyone even watch MSNBC anymore?

    That was from Media Bistro

    How's the phone booth Jill and Blu?

    Oh, Howard Fineman was at the party, Does Last place Olby know about this?

    How's the phone booth?

    Tom Goodman wrote Olbermann beats the snot out of O'Reilly on a daily basis. Yeah right.....pass the LSD please.

    Hey Blu what part of O'Reilly four times the viewers of LAST PLACE OLBY don't you understand?

    `Hey Blu what part of O`Reilly four times the viewers of LAST PLACE OLBY don`t you understand?`

    ---------

    big deal. American Idol beats Masterpiece Theater every time out.

    `Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american public.` -- P.T. Barnum

    Meltdown is pawned off as a “news show”
    NBC has it’s head in the Snow
    The beady-eyed host
    In the ratings, he’s toast
    So roll out creep Michael Musto

    "you miss the point: to illustrate the hypocrisy of Tony and the right, whose core federalist values should criticize bush, but do not because of gullible, opportunistic fealty."

    First, unlike Demo-rats, who allow pro-life (which I am not) speakers address the convention, the Republicans do not stifle dissent and criticism. We actually believe that debate is healthy. Moreover, there are many positions the Administration takes with which I disagree; I would still accept a position to make the administration more effective and help it accomplish its goals, many of which i also share. In other words, we don't down the planes of Commerce Secretarys or shoot the General Counsel because they move off message.

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    "alleged; except for reporter contact. first agent fired for mere contact. too bad; don`t politicize intelligence."

    Alleged? As are CIA gulags in Europe, which the Europeans even deny. Moreover, she was employed in office tasked with ferreting ou leaks. Even the CountClown stated that no one else has ever been caught, which suggests that no one else has ever tried to enforce the law and the contract. But, when you have an administration led by a president that lies to grand juries (uh, Clinton), enforcing law isn't a big deal.

    ------------

    "wrong -- to uphold the constitution, which is anathema to the bush kempf of politicizing intelligence (and science, FEMA, war, voting machines, etc.)"

    You certainly uphold the Constitution by accepting a job, the purpose of which is to root out leakers, and leak yourself. And, let's not get started on politicizing science or the bureaucracy. It was the Demo-rats that used the IRS to go after Republicans under Clinton; it was the Clintons that fired everybody in the White House--even the civil servants who managed the--travel office by the way for whistleblowing (and no I am not referring to Monica). And, Diebold didn't tamper with the voting machines. HAL did. HAL makes sure that his (our) agenda is enacted by ensuring that only Republicans win elections. Mwhuahahahahaha. Mwhuahahahahahahaha. Although he screwed up a little because I think some Demo-rats was offices in Ohio. He must be incompentent and corrupt!!!!!

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    "rage against the inept/illegal/corrupt war machine with the air time you`ve got."

    I absolutely agree. He should rage against the administration for pursuing a war that all American presidents should have been prepared to pursue . . . that is unless you believe 17 security council resolutions obligating the US to de-fang Saddam if he would not prove he had de-fanged himself don't obligate someone at some point to actually de-fang him . . . or believe that the policy of the federal government as supported by Bill Clinton in 1999 endorsing regime change was just a recommendation. Also, I think the congress provided a resolution supporting war, for which many Demo-rats voted. If Congress approves, it's not illegal.

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    "speculative tabloid story best left for rita cosby."

    Tomkat is certainly not tabloid . . . or anything. Moreover, the media--including Uberspinn--are constantly decrying racism, sexism, bifocalism, obestisisism, insensivity. When the tables are turned and the usual accusers--as for instance with the rash of black church burnings in the '90s--turn out to be racists themselves, the media turns its head and claims it's a non-story or not newsworthy. When it doesn't reify the liberal narrative, it is filtered out of the liberal narrative.

    Mr. King writes: " . . . what part of O`Reilly four times the viewers of LAST PLACE OLBY don`t you understand? [B]ig deal. American Idol beats Masterpiece Theater every time out."

    Yeah, everytime I see Pupppet Theater or hear KK share personal information about his mouth cancer that had him spittin' up blood in the trashcan or his latest and greatest tidbits about that shaper of world events, Tom Cruise that's the first thing I think of . . . why Mr. Man Tan is the MasterPiece Theater of cable television.

    bush criticism good, bush mouthpiece bad.

    `the Republicans do not stifle dissent and criticism.`

    nonsense. the right has labeled war/admin dissenters as unpatriotic for years.

    DENVER -- A White House staff member was responsible for asking three democrats to leave President Bush`s town-hall meeting in Denver a year ago, a U.S. Secret Service agent said during an internal investigation of the event.

    ----------

    Alleged?

    yes, alleged.

    ----------

    `her obligations to be a faithful executor of administration policy`

    CIA oath is not to execute admin policy, but to protect the consitution.

    -----------

    `he inveighs against Republican corruption and doesn`t talk about [the Dems]`

    right -- because he`s opposed to the republican war machine. when the dems start an illegal war with lies we`ll inveigh against them.


    "bush criticism good, bush mouthpiece bad.

    `the Republicans do not stifle dissent and criticism.`

    nonsense. the right has labeled war/admin dissenters as unpatriotic for years.

    DENVER -- A White House staff member was responsible for asking three democrats to leave President Bush`s town-hall meeting in Denver a year ago, a U.S. Secret Service agent said during an internal investigation of the event."

    And, two months ago, a guy stood up at an event and said he was embarassed that Bush was his president, etc. When others tried to get him to shut up, Bush told them to let him speak. The guy then thanks Bush for supporting his right to speak. And, Bush lets Sheehan sit outside his ranch and in Lafayette Square all year long. The oppression stifles me.

    Only a liberal can believe that being called unpatriotic is akin to being denied freedom of speech or being clubbed in the street for demonstrating.

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    "Alleged?

    yes, alleged."

    I agree alleged . . . as is most everything the Demo-rats allege Bush has done.

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    "`her obligations to be a faithful executor of administration policy`

    CIA oath is not to execute admin policy, but to protect the consitution."

    Excuse me, if you disagree with the policy you are executing, you resign. You don't undermine it using your position within the bureaucracy by making allegations that unconstitutional behavior is occurring when no proof exists.

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    "`he inveighs against Republican corruption and doesn`t talk about [the Dems]`

    right -- because he`s opposed to the republican war machine. when the dems start an illegal war with lies we`ll inveigh against them. "

    Uh, like Kosovo?

    `And, two months ago, a guy stood up at an event`

    newly feigned tolerance begat by years of well-deserved complaints re: bush`s many carefully pre-screened audiences.

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    `The oppression stifles me.`

    PITTSBURGH -- Two documents released by the FBI on March 14 confirmed for the first time that the FBI is targeting peaceful assemblies guaranteed by the constitution because of the surveilled groups` opposition to the the Bush administration and the war in Iraq.

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    `if you disagree with the policy you are executing, you resign.`

    nonsense -- especially if the policy is to subvert the constitution which you are sworn to defend.

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    like Kosovo?

    um, you`re comparing a joint US/NATO peacekeeping mission to stop genocidal ethnic cleansing with the U.S. invasion of Iraq?

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    Yugoslav forces headed by Slobadan Miloseovic allegedly committed war crimes by killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Kosovo, although the Serbian government claims the army was only going after suspected Albanian `terrorists`.

    hey, check it out ... Slobadan sounded just like Bush!

    "Critics have said it is too soon, not even five years after the tragedy, for a feature film on it."

    That is a perfectly valid and completely true sentence.

    Critic: "One who forms and expresses judgments of the merits, faults, value, or truth of a matter."

    He did not say "Movie Critics". He simply said critics. I'm critical of the movie as well, and I haven't seen it. I don't know that we're ready for a movie based on 9/11.

    Seriously, if you're going to try and nit pick every little thing that Keith says, and point out every single perceived mistake, then the least you could do is be 100% accurate. That's what you're expecting from the rest of the world, and I don't think it's unfair to ask you to meet the bar you've set for others.

    If a critic is one who forms judgments of faults OR merits, then Olby is still wrong. His statement implies that ALL critics have said it's too soon. Which is patent nonsense. So using your own definition, he was spinning.

    First, "iraqi oil will pay for the war" does your name imply that Bush may bring down oil prices by gaining new oil for his cronies in the oil industry? Or is this an attack that he hasn't allowed the cronies to steal oil because of his incompetence in rebuilding the infrastructure? I am confused because Dimowits make both arguments.

    "newly feigned tolerance begat by years of well-deserved complaints re: bush`s many carefully pre-screened audiences."

    That's great stuff. Are you on HBO Comedy Hour or are you programmed to spin out some rationalization for everything?

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    "`The oppression stifles me.`

    PITTSBURGH -- Two documents released by the FBI on March 14 confirmed for the first time that the FBI is targeting peaceful assemblies guaranteed by the constitution because of the surveilled groups` opposition to the the Bush administration and the war in Iraq."

    Let me guess this is a "news" item on actionsf.org? And, you may recall that the FBI was accused of doing same during Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon Administrations. So this is not new, even if it is occurring--not just an ALLEGATION from the fruitcakes at ANSWER.

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    "nonsense -- especially if the policy is to subvert the constitution which you are sworn to defend."

    If she has proof (not allegations) that unconstitutional behavior is going-on she should bring it to Congressional attention. Unfortunately, the Admin notified the Intell Committee of the wiretaping and the Dems said nothing. What McCarthy did was try to gin up anti-Administration fervor by using her office as credibility for exposing a program that Congress already knew about. That is not exposing unconstitutional behavior that is using her office for political activity. And, if Congress (including the Dems) allows it, without suing, I'll infer that it is constitutional. So, again the issue is that if she disagrees with the policy she should resign and pursue her grievances in a non-official capacity.

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    "um, you`re comparing a joint US/NATO peacekeeping mission to stop genocidal ethnic cleansing with the U.S. invasion of Iraq?"

    Um, I am comparing it to a war the Security Council did not endorse and in fact had disfavor from the Russians and Chinese--two of the countries cited as paragons during the build-up to Iraq. Also, Hussein massacred millions of people based on ethnicity (the Kurds) and religion (the Shia). And in the build-up to Iraq, the Clinton administration was alleging that hundreds of thousands to millions were dying and, unlike Iraq before the war, no one suggested that Serbia posed any threat to anyone or harbored any terrorists, who might atack the West.

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    "hey, check it out ... Slobadan sounded just like Bush!"

    And, Clinton argued that he was freeing an oppressed people being brutally massacred by the regime. "hey, check it out ... Slobadan sounded just like Bush!" er, Clinton . . . uh sounded like . . . um . . . Bush.

    Uh, and the joint US / NATO peackeeping mission (not war / invasion) removed the regime.

    Any of you KO hater freaks wanna bet your man Bill O'Reilly makes KO's Worst Person In the World Roster tonight, now that he and his crack research staff have been exposed for trying to shame and blame dead people? Yippee! Boycott the Dead! Corpses, you're on notice!

    From SJIHBO'R http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/archive/042706.html
    "O'Reilly is pissed at the Syracuse Post-Standard. You see, they've "smeared" him (i.e. brought up the
    Mackris scandal.) Said O'Reilly, "The villains at that paper are publisher Stephen Rogers and
    editorial writer Mark Libbon. These men are not only unprofessional, they are incompetent."
    He even put their pictures up on the screen during his April 24th broadcast.

    O'Reilly left out one key bit of information. If you want to bitch out the man on the left, you'll have
    to dig him up first. He died on November 12, 2002.

    We want to recognize O'Reilly and his crack staff for smearing a man who dedicated his life to
    his community until he passed away at the age of 90."

    All bets are off. We got a guest host tonite.
    Still, CD is always worth watching if you're you're interested in the fearless newscast of the future looks like.

    `Uh, and the joint US / NATO peackeeping mission (not war / invasion) removed the regime.`

    well, except for regime change, the Kosovo intervention little resembles the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

    we weren`t lied into Kosovo under false pretenses and dragged through a myriad of strategic blunders, its cost was much less in lives and treasure, there were few boots-on-the-ground and even fewer allied casualties, and the cost was minimal ... when you consider the trillion dollar tab we`re headed for in Iraq and the damage it has done to U.S. foreign relations, the middle east, the U.S. military, the federal deficit, and the price of oil.

    "well, except for regime change, the Kosovo intervention little resembles the U.S. invasion of Iraq."

    You are correct. Unlike the War in Iraq, it didn't have UN Security Council (the source for liberal tirades about the Iraq War being illegal) or explicit Congressional authorization.

    "we weren`t lied into Kosovo under false pretenses and dragged through a myriad of strategic blunders,"

    Unless you forget that there were no mass graves found--as Clinton claimed there would be and we had a tendency to bomb the Chinese Embassy, for instance. And, there may have been as many as 12,000 civilian deaths resulting from the bombing campaign. Let's also not forget that Clinton started the war, coincidental with his perjury problems.

    "its cost was much less in lives and treasure, there were few boots-on-the-ground and even fewer allied casualties, and the cost was minimal ..."

    I agree with this one. I think we should only engage in war to protect the US when there are few casualities and a low cost--like World War II, for instance. Otherwise, I believe we should sit around waiting for something to happen.

    "when you consider the trillion dollar tab we`re headed for in Iraq and the damage it has done to U.S. foreign relations, the middle east, the U.S. military, the federal deficit, and the price of oil."

    The military's re-enlistment rates are as high as ever. The deficit results from other drunken spending by the Republicans--who are only outmatched by what the Democrats want to spend. Oil pices are high because environmentalists don't want us to drill in ANWR, don't want us to allow new drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, don't want us to build new refineries, don't want us to raise the ceiling on shipments into the Puget Sound, for instance--the Dems threatened a filibuster when the Repubs tried to raise the cap. And, don't forget it was Demo-rat congresses that imposed the MTBE requirement, which we had to scrap because it's a TOXIN and we don't have enough ethanol capacity to make up for the short fall. We really need a return of the Dems to control of Congress . . . like we need to catch the Clap.

    `You are correct. Unlike the War in Iraq, it didn't have UN Security Council (the source for liberal tirades about the Iraq War being illegal) or explicit Congressional authorization.`

    well, kosovo seems to have worked out fairly well. compare that to things on the ground in iraq. in the end, it`ll cost the U.S. a trillion bucks at least, some estimates are as high as two trillion when you include the added long-term veterans benefits. it'll cost a couple thousand dead soldiers and a couple ten-thousand mamed and wounded soldiers. and its most likely now to fail. partly because it was a lousy idea to begin with and partly because of its gross mismanagement.

    Signior Johhny Dollar do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an ass.

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