advice-----go get laid. you have far to omuch time on your hands.

Going by that analysis Countdown would be off the air if he didn't talk about Bush.. oh wait, he's done that before.

Kurtz is just a republican who wants only wants supporters of authority on the air, I can see why you guys here like him.

OMIGOD...are you for real? Now make a list of ALL the right wingnuts who ONLY interview Repugs OR have unbalanced panels with some "soft" representative from the left...betcha you won't even try...cause you're all so "fair and balanced"! HA...must be Keith is beginning to really do well...cause the voices on the right are getting shriller! "Mustn't disagree with our dear leaders!"...rinse and repeat...

How's that a "slam"? Of course he's anti-Bush. Why do you think he's (relatively) so popular?

Good lord! Apparently your medication isn't working so well these days. Perhaps you'd better run off to the psychiatrist as quickly as possible for a med check (better living through pharmacology). KO is the most entertaining talking head on the air right now and poor little billy is running on fear. O'Reilly is absolutely hilarious even though he's not making any attempts to do so; he's nothing more than a caricature.
I'll vist your website for a good laugh when I need one. I've always believed in supporting the handicapped. At least your scribblings are worth a few shits and giggles

"After the fall of Baghdad, three years ago, the United States military began a secret investigation of the decision-making within Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. The study, carried out by the U.S. Joint Forces Command, drew on captured documents and interviews with former Baath Party officials and Iraqi military officers, and when it was completed, last year, it was delivered to President Bush. The full work remains classified, but "Cobra II," a recently published book about the early phases of the war, by the Times reporter Michael Gordon and Lieutenant General Bernard Trainor, has disclosed parts of the study, and the Pentagon has released declassified sections, which Foreign Affairs has posted on its Web site. Reading them, it is easy to imagine why the Administration might resist publication of the full study. The extracts describe how the Iraq invasion, more than any other war in American history, was a construct of delusion. Frustratingly, however, we now understand much more about the textures of fantasy in Saddam's palaces in early 2003 than we do about the self-delusions then prevalent in the West Wing." -- Steve Coll, The New Yorker

Ahhh...what passed for political discourse on the left.

No surprise that American voters have wisely kept you nutjobs away from the levers of power for so long. Get used to it!

Only a truly loony lefty could refute my brilliant post by asking about Olbermann, "Why do you think he's (relatively) so popular?"

Hello all you dingbat KOooks out there. Countdown is the LOWEST rated cable news show in it's time slot...coming in FOURTH in a three network race (he not only gets trounced by CNN and Fox News but loses to CNN Headline News). Keith is the LEAST popular cable news programming in his time slot and has never done better than beating a few of the even lamer shows on MSNBC.

BTW, for you clear-thinkers out there wondering where these Liberal Loons are coming from...a popular liberal blog, Crooks and Liars linked to a site falled Firedoglake. Even though neither site had the courage to link to OlbermannWatch (presumeably, some sort of half-ass "protest" against the site) they quoted and linked to Kurtz which included a mention of OlbermannWatch. Apparently even these knuckleheads can do a Google search and have, unfortaunately, contaminated this site with their impure, irrational comments. If we ignore them they will eventually just go away. Please bear with us in the meantime as we do out best to flush them off OlbermannWatch.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/04.html#a7783

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/03/poor-george-bush-and-his-mean-liberal-critics/

You need to renew your Oxicotin prescription.

hey, here's something mean Jean Schmidt got right:

"As a delegate to the Republican National Convention in 1984, Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) likened young Republican activists to Hitler, according to an interview published by the local paper at the time. While expressing her opinions about young Republican activists, Schmidt said, �They look like young Hitlers to me. They�re so grim and deadly serious about the cause.�

and the folks she was talking about are running the republican party now ...

"impure comments" ... that's a laugh. sounds like you and your fascist buddies would be up for a little ideological cleansing; the fourth reich for sure.

yeah, we'll be outta here in a while, and leave you disgusting, spiritually mongeloid, intellecutally-inbred mouth breathers TO YOURSELVES.

"impure comments" ... that's a laugh. sounds like you and your fascist buddies would be up for a little ideological cleansing; ya'll are the fourth reich for sure.

yeah, we'll be outta here in a while, and leave you disgusting, spiritually mongeloid, intellecutally-inbred mouth breathers TO YOURSELVES.

Cox

Now that we know you're here, you can ignore all you want but the "liberal loons" are'nt going anywhere.

""In the same way that people who think the president needs to be supported more have turned to Fox, a lot of people who think the president needs to be taken on more have found a friendly voice in 'Countdown.'

At least Kaplan has defined the purpose of the show - "taking down President Bush". "

Umm, sorry to point it out, but according to the text you quoted, Kaplan doesn't say "taking down President Bush". The quote is "the president needs to be TAKEN ON". Hardly the same thing. Unless this is how you conduct political discourse around here.

Robert -

Boy, I'll bet this article gave you a big hard-on, huh?

A terminally boring media critic giving props to a site no one's ever heard of to bolster his argument based on TV ratings no one really cares about.

That's quite a victory.

All that mental masturbation finally paid off.

Look, O'Reilly's a horrible person and you know it, deep down you do, and Olbermann (and Media Matters, don't forget them!) have done an excellent job of illustrating that fact. Which is why you've created this site in hopes of staving off ever actually having to admit it to yourself.

Isn't there something better that can be done with your time?

Curious site. Not worth linking to.

this site is hilarious.
as long as keith keeps having guests on who live in reality and not la-la land like you see on fox news, he'll be just fine.
also, i don't think libs should give this cox clown any credit by coming to his site. this is my first and only post here. can someone turn the light off on their way out.....

Well you have successfully identified the Single Media Talking Head who doesn't worship President Bush. Olbermann is a funny guy who continually skewers some of the worst conservatives' hypocrisies.

So I guess that Olbermann is the Full extent of the 'liberal media'.

So, the 95% of Conservative Media talking heads who REFUSE to ask any strong questions against this President and the Corporate Media that prevents them from speaking out don't bother you?

Chris Matthews, who thinks our President should be added to Mount Rushmore! That conservative enough for you? I am sure Matthews, whose Father is a member of the PNAC is one of your faves.

This is simply ridiculous, on your part, to eviscerate the single editorialist talking head with the balls to show a liberal bent. And please don't mention Colmes- A true liberal wouldn't let himself be used as a poodle to Hannity's rabid schnauzer.

Defending Bush is akin to Defending Nixon. In a few years, Bush fever will be over and Everything Olbermann ever claimed about Bush will be known as simple fact.

"I am not a Crook" is akin to "I never wanted to be a War President."

Yes, he bashes President Bush's bonehead political maneuvers as well a Journalist should.

Hiding the truth makes it no less the truth.
If you ever thought Clinton should have been impeached (and most conservatives (myself included) did- then Don't be a hypocrite. President Bush has done far worse with his lies to the American People. And those like you, who want to worship the wooden figurehead of the conservative party should be ashamed for helping him get away with it.

(ed. note: Fade=http://spaces.msn.com/members/Risingsons/ blog)

You would think Olbermann is a non-threat to the mainstream Conservative media, but when he gets his own "anti" web site...you know he's kicking ass!

Keep up the good job Keith! The truth will eventually set even the most ignornant free (we hope).

To the website owner: Why don't you mention Keith's ratings going up 24%, while Billy O'Lielly's ratings have dropped 41%? What are you afraid of? THE TRUTH?! O'Lielly had a 6-7 year head start on KO, so, I give it another year before KO is "KO'ing" Billy in the ratings.

you are a bunch of fucking. gutless, cowards.

KO is the about the only on on TV that had integrity and tells the TRUTH.

ever hear of it??

what a joke.

oh yea; nice to see tom delay is getting his due!

"Defending Bush is akin to Defending Nixon."

much worse than that. it's more like defending Slobodan Milosevic.

"In a few years, Bush fever will be over and Everything Olbermann ever claimed about Bush will be known as simple fact."

yes, think some hilarious pathetic cross between Joseph McCarthy and Jim Baker.

"I am not a Crook" is akin to "I never wanted to be a War President."

George, I always wanted to be a (War) Criminal, Bush.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge the mess Bush has made of this country is either blind, dumb or both....Ignorance is on the rise in this country...and they call themselves Republicans.

True Fascists -- like the types who support this site -- are always gutless cowards.

fraudulent elections ... domestic propaganda ... illegal wiretaps ... corruption ... cronyism ... secret prisons ... torture ... REPUBLICANISM.

Just keep giving Keith attention. His spike in ratings occurred just as his feud with falafel boy got started. Americans who tune in once realize that Keith's actually thinking critically and asking questions about what Bush and Co are doing to our country. Having been exposed to the rare bit of candid truth on TV in Countdown they keep on watching!

Thanks for playing your tiny little part in improving Keith's ratings, Mr. Cox!

It's a shame the Republican right doesn't let reality on the ground influence its policy making. That weird, exclusive, dark ages fire & brimestone belief system just can't help itself (or anybody else). Any of you neo-con nitwits looking for a preacher? Tom Delay's looking for a job.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

- H.L. Mencken

Fantastic Mencken quote. and unfortunately, so true, so true.

this blog sucks

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! This is by far one of the lamest websites I have in a very long time. Hey Bob, now that I have wasted my time on your piece of crap site I think you should take a trip to www.mediamatters.org so that you can see the lies your hero falafel Bill has told. Can you handle the truth?

"Tom DeLay's resignation cannot absolve the Republican Party of its sins. The "Hammer," who chipped away at the integrity and effectiveness of Congress until there was nothing left, listened to his party rather than his ego and has finally acknowledged that he was one of many albatrosses hanging on the neck of the struggling GOP. His resignation does not save this party.

What is done cannot be undone. Not as long as this Republican Party maintains its majority status. The stench of Tom DeLay's corruption still wafts through the halls of Congress. His political philosophy--that fair is foul and foul is fair--thrives on, as vibrant as ever in the deeds of the Majority."

Johnny, Robert:

Sadly, I think the time has come to shut down this comments section. The Olby-facists are trying to destroy it, and I think they are succeeding. It's like George Clooney when he told his minions to bombard gawker.com.

My guess is that it's only 1 or 2 clowns who change their names every time they post. They don't have anything constructive to say. Their objective is to shout so loud that it prevents the rest of us from speaking.

I defy you to find one constructive criticism in all those comments above.

Posted by: alex at April 4, 2006 04:48 PM

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! This is by far one of the lamest websites I have in a very long time. Hey Bob, now that I have wasted my time on your piece of crap site I think you should take a trip to www.mediamatters.org so that you can see the lies your hero falafel Bill has told. Can you handle the truth?
No he can't and
Yes It does SUCK

Understand something: you hate America, and would destroy it if you could. You right-wing scum would have killed the founding fathers had you been alive back then. Traitors, every one of you.

You aren't a media critic - you are just another Bush Apologist.

Admit it - you f'd up - your trusted W.

Hmmmmm??? I wish I had more time to post on this phony site, but since the war on christmas is over till next year. I have to get going on the war on christians and wrecking the economy. Anyone know where I can buy some lions???

"Just in the past few months," Bartlett said, "I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do." Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: "This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them."

I love the dopey lefty comments. They show us who really loves Olbermann.

As for ratings, as per my last post, Keith gets 8% of the cable news audience! There are four networks competing if you count CNNHLN, and he manages only 8%. In other words, he is coming in 12th in a four team race. To be an AVERAGE host he would need AT LEAST 1/4 of the audience. Olbermann is a failure, and all the tears of all you Olbermaniacs won't change a thing.

Even more Republican corruption ... par for the course with the scum on the right who bring us illegal elections, illegal wars, illegal spying, and legal torture.

"COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) � Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell revealed Monday he accidentally invested in shares of voting-machine manufacturer Diebold Inc. last year, a period when he was sued by other manufacturers over contracts that Diebold was up for.

In a required ethics filing, Blackwell, who is seeking the Republican nomination for governor, said his investments are directed by an accountant and financial adviser without his knowledge or help, �similar to a blind trust.� He said a manager of his investments account at Credit Suisse First Boston bought 178 shares of Diebold stock at $53.67 per share in January 2005."

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Billy,

" Olby-facists are trying to destroy it, and I think they are succeeding."

Just ignore them. They are as limited in intelligence as in attention span. They will soon drift back to group-think-land where they can cluck away with the rest of the left-wing lemmings.

It is not the same people over and over again. Sadly, there are lots of liberal loons who "think" like they do - they are part of a flood of traffic via the Washington Post readership and a handful of lefty blogs.

Someone commented on there not being any constructive criticism offered by the left leaning commentors in this post.

I have some.

Add some actual facts to your posts about KO being full of it or whatever... I mean, just spewing right-wing rhetoric gets you no where. If you can make an honest, complete argument, I think you should. The problem is, you don't seem to be able to. Get some truthiness into your blog... I mean, just saying KO sucks it doesn't cut it. I don't know who reads this blog but I'd imagine that "KO sucks it" is enough for them; you're not going to change any minds by saying it, though (and I'm guessing that's the point or why else would you be here).

Lay out clear and intellectually honest arguments and maybe you can change some minds.

As for me? My mind's already made up and I happen to dig everything that Olbermann's doing.

Political historians have noted that when the conservative/Right was out of power and in the political "wilderness" that the movement re-evaluated its political philosophy, updating it to meet the new needs and challenges that the country (and the movement) faced. That nearly two-decade old self criticism culminated in the Reagan Revolution in 1981.

But looking at the political left during these outcast years, all we see and hear is attacks on heretics or those who dare cross the ideological line. A cottage industry of conspiracy theories explaining why they are out of power follows close behind the ideological cleansing. Assorted other hobbies of name calling, character assassination and just general mudslinging pop up among the different schisms or groups that makeup the cause. As we see here.

But we rarely if ever hear any new ideas. New approaches to deal with the changing circumstances that we live in. It's all about acquiring power - power gotten at any cost using any weapon.

Pretty sad really because it just pulls everything down. And especially sad because there is much for the political left to be historically proud of. The country is a much better place because of the efforts and sacrifices of men and women on the left.

But no longer. That greatness has become bitter and mean and empty.

Especially empty.

Johnny, Bob: thanks for the efforts.

SMG

Who would Jesus vote for? A Republican or a Democrat? Pretty obvious choice there.

Dear Mr. Frost,

Thank you for your insightful comments. Perhaps you can elucidate for OlbermannWatch readers exactly how Bill O'Reilly being "wrong" somehow makes Keith Olbermann "right". Only in liberal loony land, I suppose.

A shout out to Joe for summarizing the left-wing mindset so succinctly:

"Lay out clear and intellectually honest arguments and maybe you can change some minds. As for me? My mind's already made up..."

There's no scum like republican scum. The growing list of investigations/indictments on the right.

DeLay's Campaign Committee, TRMPAC, Indicted for Facilitating Illegal Campaign Contributions.

Tom DeLay Indicted On Conspiracy Charges.

DeLay Received Private Admonishment for Continuing with Gingrich's K Street Project.

DeLay Admonished for Taking Bribes for Votes.

Delay Admonished for Trading A "Seat At The Table" During Energy Bill Negotiations To Westar in Exchange for Cash.

DeLay Admonished for Abusing Leadership Position and Used Influence To Track Private Airplane.

Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist, is Under Investigation by Securities and Exchange Commission and Department of Justice.

Former Washington Super Lobbyist Jack Abramoff Arrested on Fraud and Conspiracy Charges.

Rep. Randy �Duke� Cunningham Decides Not To Run For Re-Election After Dealings With Lobbyist Become Public.

Reed Paid Millions By Scanlon and Abramoff To Rally Support To Close Texas Casino.

Peter Secchia, Businessman and Major Bush Fundraiser, Sued to Prevent Approval of Casino that Abramoff Opposed.

The Wyly Brothers: Bush Campaign Pioneers, Involved In A State And Federal Tax Investigation.
Thomas Noe: Bush Pioneer, Under at Least Six Separate Investigations.

Robert Kjellander: Bush Pioneer, Records Subpoenaed in Corruption Investigation.
James Tobin: Bush Ranger, Indicted For Phone Jamming Conspiracy.

Brent Wilkes: Bush Pioneer, Under Federal Investigation in Corruption Probe.

The "one wrong makes a right" hypothesis

by Paul Krugmaster (copyrighted text)

Mr Cox,

When an individual is so wrong as Mr. O'Reilly, he is the statistical equivalent of 100% wrong. In that case, using the dialectic method of Olberius, anyone in opposition to Mr. O'Reilly is 100% right.

QED

I am available for communist parties and conventions, so look me up people.

I've searched this site for anything Olbermann said that is demonstrably false. There's nothing! 80% of the posts are criticisms of his tan. The blog "stories" are merely arguments that he is slanted because he has on more liberals than conservatives... as if conservatives don't have enough representation EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Where's the content? You guys have nothing on Olbermann. Admit it. Except that you think he's too orange. Show me where he's wrong.

Which part of that article did you write and which part did Kurtz write???...you're quotations or lack thereof imply you wrote parts of it that you did not.

Superedo,

you have searched the entire site and found Keith to be 100% correct? Why do I not believe you?

How about a simple one that will make your tiny head bobble and spin. The "massive vote fraud" he invented and reported about during the Presidential election was all bullshit. There are many more, but that one is my favorite.

The only people on this site who tell the truth are the new visitors from the left. Everyone who usually resides here was long ago FauxNews brain dead. Think the kind of sexist, alcoholic, homophobic, fratboys that George W. grew up with; the kind of folks who went on to run Enron and root for California fires. You know, the Ken Mehlman's of the world. Unprincipled, opportunist, war-profiteering scum.

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Only the American talibon will fall for that one...

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Only the American talibon will fall for that one...

I see you haven't left the confines of your conservative sites, KfK. Olbermann did not "invent" the massive voter fraud. And it was NOT all bullshit. Here you go, links-a-plenty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy_and_irregularities

Will you actually read them? What have you got?

Olbermann Watch? You bet. I watch Olbermann every night.

Not sure what's more humorous, this website in general, or the way Rick Kaplan's words were changed, "on" to "down":

"a lot of people who think the president needs to be taken on more have found a friendly voice in 'Countdown.'

At least Kaplan has defined the purpose of the show - "taking down President Bush". --

Kind of show us all the mentality of the people behind "Olbermann Watch." LOL!

How did I know you would be a "conspiracy kook" SuperEdo!

OK -- Olby was right! Despite all of Kerry-Edwards' lawyers on the ground and at the poll sites, despite all of Kerry's billions of dollars and political clout, despite all of Soros' millions, it was somehow magically the republicans who "stole" the election via voter fraud! And even though there was voter fraud, slip and fall lawyer John Edwards decided not to resort to legal action, right? Then a pig flew out of Edwards' ass and he and Kerry disappeared into the night sky. Try to remember -- reality is your friend, not your enemy.

By the way, the best part of your reference is in bold letters at the top:

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I'm glad you are seeing reality now, KfK. Seeing no sources from you, I can assume you've conceded the argument.

You haven't shown me a quote from Olbermann that is wrong yet. Have you got one? C'mon, already. If Olbermann's such a Krazy guy, it shouldn't be hard to find one single quote that is demonstrably false.

Plenty of links from Wikipedia, hundreds if you follow them. Read them.

You guys crack me up. Keep up the good work!

And as far as the ratings thing goes, fiction is usually more popular than non-fiction. That could explain Countdown's ratings vs O'Reiley's.

Oh, and I did link here from CrooksAndLiars.com. They weren't afraid to post the link as someone suggested.

You are kind of an idiot. You put in a blatant misquote...

"...of people who think the president needs to be taken on more have found a friendly voice in 'Countdown."

At least Kaplan has defined the purpose of the show - "taking down President Bush".

Taking "on" and Taking "down" are two entirely different things. Get a grip.

it's the job of the media to be a watchdog.

The cable news networks need more Olberman's and less O'rielly's and Hannity's

Robert -

I never said O'Reilly was 'wrong' nor that Olbermann is 'right'...

What I said was: 'O'Reilly is a horrible person and you know it' and that Olbermann (and Media Matters, don't forget them!) has done an excellent job of illustrating as such.

'Rightness' nor 'wrongness' never factored into my post.

I suspect that what really gets your goat are the rest of my 'insightful comments' which you completely avoided in your rush to ridicule me.

That you went out of your way to respond to just my post out of all the other posts after it shows that I struck a nerve.

Umm, you’ve yet to address this, so I’ll remind you as others have pointed out repeatedly. You have misquoted, either deliberately or due to plain sloppiness, MSNBC President Kaplan as saying "taking down President Bush", when he actually said “the president needs to be taken on more”. There is a huge difference.

And who could possibly disagree with the idea that the President’s policies need to be challenged and questioned? Who wants a media that only promotes and supports the policies of those in power? The “liberal” New York Times reported endlessly on the Lewinsky scandal, I have yet to see conservative media do the same against a president with almost half of the approval rating that Clinton had.

Olberman tells it like it is!!! Dumping on Bush only means speaking truth because this is a corrupt, mendacious, rapacious and incompetent administration that has done more harm to our great nation than any Islamofascist outfit.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
GOD DAMN GEORGE W. BUSH!!!

Posters from states that are blue
Try to aid their man of orange hue
They sputter and grope
And search for some hope
But know his demise is due.

I LOVE Keith!

I LOVE Keith!

Hey SuperEdo-- You asked for an example of KK's lies and you were given one (an egregious one, at that). Olby clung to the "Republicans Stole The Vote in Ohio" story for weeks-- long after all major media dropped it, realizing the inanity of this bit of lunatic conspiracy mongering circulating among the Seattle slackers who had a bit too much of the wacky weed. Even the liberal bastions the WashPO and the NY Times couldn't find any credibility to this story. You tried to discredit KfK by citing to a bunch of loony links that would do the X-Files proud. SuperEdo, citing a bunch of links and saying you have won the argument doesn't carry the day. YOU make the argument, don't refer us to a bunch of kooks who sit in a cannabis induced haze and come up with these wacky theories with no support. BTW, the problem w/ KK along with his lies and his insistence of having no person on his show that will challenge his opinions, are the issues he WON'T report on. He wouldn't think of reporting it when Hillary talked about the House leadership as racists (running the House "like a plantation") is just one example.

Thanks for putting this site online. It will only help Olbermann's upward ratings trend. You're taking a beating in this thread and deservedly so.

hank, your post has no refutation, I do not smoke pot, and still no one has posted anything Keith has lied about. Still... waiting...

This site is a joke, right?

I heard something about the deputy secretary of the dept of homeland security. From what I've heard, you'd do well to look around in that department for the kind of meat you like to chew.

SuperEdo-- YOU are the one who claims that the wack job story of the "Republicans Stole the Vote In Ohio" is the truth. Back it up with something other than your stupid links, which prove nothing. State YOUR facts that support this nutty hypothesis. The burder of proof is on YOU, otherwise your assertion has no credibility and is thus, a lie. Your wait is over.

Thanks for putting this site online. Yet another place to poke at all that Republican bullshit. Will the site still be up after you bravely enlist and leave to fight terra in Iraq?
GOD BLESS AMERICA
GOD DAMN BUSH

Olbermann is one of the only men on television who is speaking the truth - and you start a "watch" site on the guy? Pathetic.

The libs were mighty incensed
When this site showed Olby was dense.
No guests except libs
With thier lies and fibs
And other assorted nonsense.

Keith Olbermann is a truth seeker, he's simply great, it's Kurtz that's a whiney uptight loser totally without intellect, charm or common sense.

Did you know that Kenneth Blackwell owns stock in Debolt? How is that for something that stinks of voter fraud in Ohio?

So?

Since imparting the constructive criticism in your previous thread that you're sorely in need of a ghostwriter and editor, may I give yet another bit of advice?

You also need to substitute a picture of someone else. Someone fairly decent looking, more manly, more of a challenge to Keith Olbermann.

At this point, you're just not firing on all cylinders; your writing and looks are both inferior to Olbermann's. How can you even expect to compete?

Thanks, Anne. Here's a translation of your post: For KK, things like truth telling and willingness to allow those who disagree with him to come on his show and challenge his viewpoints are less important than being all styled up in an Armani suit and a man tan and lame atempts at witticism (thus the necessity for the Laughing Stagehand to cue listeners when to laugh).

Just got back -- saw the brilliant response by SuperEdo. He posted a link and therefore proved that there was voter fraud and the 2004 election was stolen! Well, I guess UFO's are real because Jimmy Carter saw one, and there is a LINK TO SUPPORT IT! Did you hear me? There is a LINK God Damn it! You can't argue with that!

http://www.cohenufo.org/Carter/carter_abvtopsec.htm

Anyway, I think I'll just read the posts of J$ and Mr. Cox for now. It makes no sense to argue with retards and degenerates.

Yah!

Kurtz got some good quotes out of the Countdown news reader.

Keep up the good work, JD!

"It makes no sense to argue with retards and degenerates."

That's fo sho. So this is the last post from me on this site.

The link I posted contained links to respected news organizations, which you would have noted had you cared to follow them. From you I see the following: nothing. The election fraud stories were dropped because in addition to having a bunch of corrupt Republicans in power, we also have a bunch of pansy-ass Democrats catering to their every whim. It's hard to say which side is worse.

And still, no one posts any lies from Keith. Hmm... maybe because there are none?

Are you kidding? I can think of a half dozen, and that's just off the top of my head. You do know how to point and click, don't you? How to use a search box? How to read the archives? The site is here to serve you, but if I have to lead you by the hand it's not worth my time.

Oh yes! Voter fraud did the Dems in in 2000 and 2004! There are quotes! And links! And this is all a conspiracy, and nobody pursued the mass voter fraud from the Democrat party even though they are mostly lawyers and receive the majority of their contributions from the legal lobby!

Do you believe your own Bull Shit? Sorry this is your last post on this site. Here's a link to hit you in the ass with on your way out you dope:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004790.php

And this is all a conspiracy, and nobody pursued the mass voter fraud from the Democrat party even though they are mostly lawyers and receive the majority of their contributions from the legal lobby!

How could they do a recount? Only one state that used computerized voting machines actually required a paper printout so that hand recounts could be done if necessary. That state was Nevada, which went solidly for Bush IIRC.

A recount is pointless if all you do is push the same button and get the same answer...

A recount is pointless if all you do is push the same button and get the same answer...

Yeah, you are right Trekkster. Better to resort to conspiracy theories and baseless allegations in that case, since those don't have actual empirical data associated with them.

"Are you kidding? I can think of a half dozen, and that's just off the top of my head."

I lurve this argument style.

Question: Why is so-and-so? Provide some evidence.

Response: "Well, isn't it obvious!?!"

No. Nothing in the archives, and nothing here.

Hey ..Leave Olbermann alone. I dont hear all you others out there giving heat to nut case Tuckerman, Scarborough or those other ones out there that still say there are WMD. Bush has cost lives many deaths, start a WAR when we should have been in Afghanistan. Lied about everything else. The Republican has lots of THUGS and check out this Home Land Security Guy who is a CHILD MOLESTOR. How come no one is on this but are quick to judge Olbermann. Olberman is on the right track. YOU GO GET EM OLBERMANN.

Note to Sag: yes, Crooks and Liars did link to OlbermannWatch AFTER I pointed out that they had failed to do so. Just another example of OlbermannWatch getting the far left to tow the line.

SuperEdo - no one has bothered to post a list of Keith's lies, misstatements and misrepresentations because regular readers already know they are posted throughout the site. Since you are obviously too lazy to look, note that J$ presented a very nice compendium here: http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20051204150047/

Note to Jack Frost: this site is about Keith Olbermann not about Bill O'Reilly except when Keith makes Bill O'Reilly an issue. I know it is hard to fathom for the loony left that intelligent people are able to keep keep more than one thought in their head at a time but my opinion of Keith Olbermann is unrelated to my opinion of Bill O'Reilly. In fact, I don't recall ever expressing my opinion of Bill O'Reilly on this site. It is you tinfoilhatters on the left who want to justify Olbermann as "better" than O'Reilly. If you really have such a low opinion of O'Reilly then how is Keith being "better than O'Reilly" (in your mind) a compliment?

Let me just add...

If any of you crackpots were interested in a REAL discussion then you might find that there is likely a point of agreement among the readers. pro-Keith and anti-Keith: neither trusts the "legacy" media - the major newspapers and news magazines and the broadcast television networks. Those on the left view call it "corporate" and those on the right called "liberal" but combined those opinions explain why opinion poll after opinion poll shows a widespread distrust of journalists.

It hardly seems worth debating the notion that Kaplan and Olbermann did market research BEFORE Keith took Countdown hard-left (recall that the original premise of the show was a "snarky"/cynical take on the news aimed at a younger audience) and concluded that Keith's best shot at differentiating himself from the marketplace was to appeal to the Howard Dean/MoveOn.org audience (younger, hipper, wired). It explains the political tone of the show, the types of guests booked on the show, Keith being the first MSNBC anchor to have a blog, Keith's editorial decision to source information from Democrats.com, Media Matters for America and CrookandLiars.com, among others. I personally think that is smart and have credited Keith for this on OlbermannWatch and in interviews with The New York Observer, Washington Post, Online Journalism Review, and others (those who accuse this site of mindless KO-basing take note). It is basically the same audience that Air America Radio is going after which explains why Keith goes on AAR regularly and has AAR regulars on Countdown. Despite all of his rantings about Fox News, the fact is that everyone in the cable news business has analyzed the Fox News strategy (find an underserved market and program to that demographic) and sought to emulate it, albeit without going after the SAME older/whiter/conservative demo.

The reason that Keith's ratings have been anemic - and despite all the cheerleading and data manipulation his viewership is small - is that his target audience is just not that interested in sitting down and watching his show every night. This is the same problem facing Air America Radio. There are plenty of people out there (about 1/3 of the country) that SUPPORT the tone/content of Countdown and Air America Radio, they are just not the types of people who will site and watch an hour of Countdown every night and wishing does not make it so. I'd venture to say that those that might watch are much more inclined to watch The Daily Show, Real Time with Bill Maher or shows like Letterman and Conan.

What I find amusing is how the left-wing groups try to convince people to watch/listen to "their" shows as a way to "show support" for the "cause" as a political strategy. Rush Limbaugh and other pioneers of conservative talk radio did not build an audience BECAUSE conservative political groups instructed their supporters to listen/watch but because they WANTED to listen/watch. Rush was entertaining. He was also conservative so people came to be entertained and left "informed" (for those on the right" or "brainwashed" (for those on the left). A big part of the attraction was the perception among conservatives that the "mainstream media" not only did not reflect their views or values or sympathize with their political beliefs but was OPPOSED to them.

Those on the left can cry "corporate media" all they want but when most print journalists, newspaper editors, TV/radio producers and on-air news personalities identify themselves as Democrats, Liberals or otherwise center/centerleft - and reflect their own views in their selection of topics/stories to cover, who they quote/interview, the tone/content of their shows or articles - it is a real stretch to argue that liberal/Democrat views don't get a sympathetic presentation in major newspapers and on broadcast news programming. So long as that is the case, there is not nearly the same motivation for lefties to seek out programs specifically tailored to their political views.

"Tuckerman" as you call him is unafraid to square off with those who challenge his viewpoint. He debates Rachel Maddow of Air Amercia EVERY NIGHT. When Krazy Keith will allow a person on the conservative side to debate him on his show on a regular basis I will leave him alone

KfK -

'And this is all a conspiracy, and nobody pursued the mass voter fraud from the Democrat party even though they are mostly lawyers...'

Actually this is false.

Congressman John Conyers (D-Michigan) held a very long hearing about the allegations of voter fraud in Ohio and produced a report of the testimony from that hearing called 'Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio'.

Although it's probably pointless to do so, here's a link to the report:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

Considering it was produced by a Democrat you'll more than likely just dismiss this out-of-hand without ever perusing its contents. Par for the course, it seems, judging by the rest of your belligerant postings.

Robert -

Uh, you actually go on for some time about how O'Reilly's ratings are better than Olbermann's so your claim that you don't care about O'Reilly doesn't hold up. C'mon, who are you kidding? We all know you love Poppa Bear, even if you never come right out and say it (and I'm not going to search the site to find out if you have).

I again suspect that this is a deflection from the rest of the 'insightful comments' provided in my two posts. I've obviously struck a chord somewhere with you as you've again avoided the substance of what I wrote, but felt the need to respond.

First, you tried to ridicule me by saying that I was kooky for suggesting that O'Reilly was 'wrong' and, by extention, that Olbermann was 'right' - something I never did. NOW you tell me that I'm saying that Olbermann is 'better' than O'Reilly - again something I never did. I will repeat once more what I actually asserted:

'Bill O'Reilly is a horrible person and you know it.'

There, see? No right/wrong, no better/worse, just Bill's a horrible person. Now whether or not Olbermann is also a horrible person is not as evident in his on-air personality as O'Reilly's.

I really do think that the whole point of this site is for you to be able to prolong the day when you finally have to admit to yourself that the country's been stolen by corporate war criminals.

Good luck with that.

Interesting post Frost, except I already posted something addressing the five-month DNC study. Seems you can't read for shit. Here is a little sour taste of reality for you from the New York Times no less:

In Ohio Vote, Woes, Yes, Fraud, No

By JAMES DAO
Published: June 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, June 22 - A five-month study for the Democratic National Committee found that more than one in four Ohio voters experienced problems at the polls last fall, but the study did not find evidence of widespread election fraud that might have contributed to President Bush's narrow victory there.

Of course, this is the NY Times, one of the most biased papers around. That they admitted this is definitive proof that there are no legitimate reasons to doubt the vote fair. Amazing that to them, a victory by 118,775 votes is "narrow." Don't tell Olby, as that is the size of his nightly viewing audience. Perhaps Olby's ratings are a fraud, eh Jack? Maybe you guys should check that out?

Here is the link you ignored before. And one more for good measure.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004790.php

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20051204150047/

Dope.

KfK -

While I appreciate your condescending correction, I wasn't citing the DNC report, I was referring to the far superior Conyers report:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

I don't trust the DNC report, and I'm not sure why you do either other than it supports your predetermined conclusion that there couldn't possibly have been fraud in Ohio on 2004.

If you read the Conyers report you will find that the reason that the DNC didn't find any fraud was because it didn't even try. You can't find what you don't look for, as the saying goes.

Bush stole the 2004 election and everybody knows it.

Oh, and your second link was a bit of a yawn. You got anything better than that?

Yes, Bush stole 2004 elections.

Or, the Democrats didn't convince enough people that they were more competent than the current administration.

Hmmmmm.......... One or the other.

Question Jack- Why didn'y the DNC TRY to find out if there was a case of fraud?

Mr. Frost,

Ah yes! The biased Democratic National Committee purposely ignored the fact that the election was stolen! You know those right wing members of the DNC are always trying to play ball with Bush. Just look at DNC chairman Howard Dean. I mean, could a more right-wing guy be in charge or what?

Just keep spinning, bobbing and weaving like the true Olbermaniac you are. The only people who "know" the election was stolen also "know" that the government listens to their thoughts, poisons their breakfast cereal and hides UFO's in the desert.

As usual, dopey liberals have hijacked discourse. Every conversation ends with dopey lefties pushing conspiracy theories and empty rhetoric. It must get tiring spinning like a top all day.

Here is the "Conyers Report" I am familiar with:

In complaints made to a House Ethics Committee meeting released on March 2, 2006, three former aides who worked for Conyers were allegedly used as babysitters and valets, instead of working in his offices for governmental purposes.

The allegations range from babysitting, to tutoring Conyers' children, and chauferring him to private functions, as well as paying for bills at hotels and restaurants. According to a Detroit Free Press article, one aide reported that she picked Conyers' kids up from school, drove them home, helped with their homework, made dinner, and set them to bed while on the congressional salary.

Conyers' lawyer has stated that they have been "fully forthcoming" on the allegations in the committee report.

Amazing how his staff can babysit, grocery shop, make dinner, and find the time to prepare a fraudulent report on voter fraud. Looking at the content of the report, I would guess Conyers' children helped write it as a homework assignment.

so let me ask you this...

are you folks at this site just regular old idiots, or do you also believe the earth is 6,000 years old like the "good" book says, and refute evolution, and 4.5 billion year old geology, and stuff like the following released by NASA today (which, of course, would make you extra-ordinary idiots ... i.e., not just the right, but the RELIGIOUS right. ugh, feels midieval just typing it).

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Scientists think they have solved the mystery of how planets form around a star born in a violent supernova explosion, saying they have detected for the first time a swirling disk of debris from which planets can rise.

Using NASA's infrared Spitzer Space Telescope, MIT scientists observed bright radiation released by a disk of rubble around a young pulsar 13,000 light years from Earth. The pulsar was once a giant star that collapsed in a supernova explosion about 100,000 years ago.

Oh Bob,

This is "Olbermannwatch," not "Evolutionwatch." You have the wrong website you flaming moron. What posseses you to assume so much about the posters on this site? Could it be that YOU are the one with the limited intellect and imagination?

At least you have your head where most Olbermaniacs do -- in the stars.

because, numbnuts, it's a complete package ... if you happen to a) hate olbermann and b) love FauxNews and c) deny evolution, etc. then you are more faith-based than reality-based, which means you're much more likely to be an ignorant "ditto-head" who likes this site, hangs out here, and votes for a moron president like yourself who believes that unnecessary illegal wars-of-choice are more preferrable to diplomacy (on accounta the second coming is a comin' anyway ... golly ... and we're all gonna be enRaptured).

get it, dimwit?

I can think of several places that Olbermaniacs have their heads but "in the stars" is not one of them.

Isn't evolution still a theory?

yeah, evolution's a theory ... just like gravity. you people are dumb as nails.

Funny, the left is supposed to be the tolerant side. A more accurate description is that they are tolerant if it fits their agenda.

I'm actually agnostic and I DON'T believe that man or the earth was created six thousand years ago. However, while I may think the creation belief is pretty far out there, I RESPECT the beliefs of others. I respect that SOME Christians, not ALL Christians have that belief that is based on a literal translation of the bible.

Liberals are extremely tolerant of Islam, but Christians are dumb as snails.

Well, we have argued everything here EXCEPT Olbermann-related issues. Why not add evolution to the list. Perhaps a good dialog on string theory and the big bang as well?

I find you uber-libs amazing. You know next to nothing about science, yet you tout your high-mindedness.

Let's see where you stand on Global Warming. Do you believe it is all related to human beings? Isn't that a FAITH BASED belief. There is no conclusive proof that man is to blame, and new evidence is found every few months that implies otherwise.

Keep assuming the people who disagree with you fit into a nice little stereotype jackass.

Hey Dave,

We don't have to stereotype anything. Dubya has had kind words for intelligent design being taught in the schools. Dubya doesn't exactly have a good record of heeding the advice of scientists where public policy is concerned.

I think we'd all appreciate a little more nuance and less hyperbole where we could find it. For instance, yesterday's news of full health coverage in Massachusetts was a bipartisan solution to a pressing problem.

But we have to be more polite and respectful of the views of others. I don't think the Republican administration and Congress has fostered that environment over these last five years, do you?

KfK -

Why didn't the DNC try? That's an excellent question, probably one that should be asked -- perhaps by an independent investigation into the fraud that took place as shown in the Conyers report. I am just a citizen, I do not have the time, resources or personnel to investigate why people aren't doing their jobs.

I believe the story being peddled at the time for why the investigation didn't find anything was because Dems didn't want to look like sore losers in the ephemeral court of public opinion, so they weren't really inclined to actually investigate. Because if they had, as the Conyers' report verifies, evidence of fraud was abundant (something Olbermann reported on, as well).

Perhaps someone with authority should step to the plate and sort this all out? Perhaps the Republican-controlled Congress could actually perform its oversite duties for once? Perish the thought. Why break a streak, eh?

And I've heard that story about Conyers' aides, but haven't seen much by way of corroboration of it, or hell, even a follow-up story, so I'm a little suspicious of this accusation as well. Since Conyers has openly and continually questioned the Bush Administration (including starting the dialogue for a much-needed impeachment), this has that Karl Rove undermine-the-messenger feel to it. Y'know, kinda like when the Bush 2000 Campaign called around asking people if they knew that John McCain had a black daughter out of wedlock? It's a patented Rove tactic.

'Looking at the content of the report, I would guess Conyers' children helped write it as a homework assignment.'

Oh, come on, you didn't look at any of it so don't bother trying to snow me. You dismissed the report out of hand as soon as you saw Conyers' name attached to it, and your opinion was bolstered by the 'aides babysitting' story. Just because we're on the Internet doesn't mean that you aren't transparent -- and I'm not the only one who sees right through you judging by some of the other posts here.

By the way, the hostility you embue into your posts has a feel of desperation. I've made this accusation about Robert as well, and he's ignored it entirely, so I suspect you will, too -- but it really seems like you're just trying to stave off admitting to yourself that your belief system is crumbling all around you.

The tangle of lies that you were sold by the Bush Administration as the truth is dying on the vine and you're combining two of the stages of death - anger and denial - as a coping mechanism.

Rage away, my friend, you are only prolonging the inevitable.

Robert -

What, no love this time?

That usually means it's only a matter of time before you abuse your power and ban me for having the temerity to question your belief system and your motives for having this website.

If you prove me wrong, you're a little bit bigger a man than I've been giving you credit.

Tell us Jack Frost just two or three points fron the Conyers report that YOU believe establishes that the election was stolen. Let's assume that your thesis that the DNC was too shy and timid to pursue an investigation of election fraud in Ohio is true. OK, if that's true how did the DNC get the NY Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS and innumerable bastions of liberalism to go along with the DNC's supposed desire to not make the DNC look bad in the "ephemeral court of public opinion"? Your theory is just ridiculous. The reason the DNC didn't pursue it was because there is nothing there or else it AND these media outlets would have gone after it with gusto-- and you know it. But that's why we call Olbermann Krazy Keith-- he doesn't care if there's "no there there". He goes after it anyway because he hates President Bush-- just like the few thousand loonies who tune in his worthless show.

Job Approval down to 34%? -- Time to start another war.

Frosted,

Love the way the burden of proof is on me all the time. Conyers STAFF complains that he abuses them and you say you don't believe it. In fact, you have the nerve to say:

"this has that Karl Rove undermine-the-messenger feel to it"

Sheesh you are a loon.

As for having to prove the Conyers report a piece of crap, why is that my burden? You get to post any link you want and waste my time having to prove it inane while you call the DNC biased toward the Bush administration? Spare me.

As another poster mentioned, you must make your argument. If you believe the crap in that report, state what you believe and defend it. You are a massive waste of our time.

hank -

What would be the point of the exercise?

Honestly all you had to do was read pages 4-7 of the report that I linked to. Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell's shenanigans alone are enough to cause major suspicion.

However, it's pretty clear that you'll just refute whatever I say based on the fact that you think I'm a liberal Democrat (which I'm neither). So, in that light, you would never give anything I wrote the time of day, and even if you did, the report I'd be citing was written by a Dem, so you'd just attack the report.

I'm well aware of how conservative argument loops work and you're setting up a treadmill here that has worn thin from overuse:

1. Proclaim your superiority through condescention;
2. Challenge the poster to provide you with information that you've already discounted beforehand, and therefore will never actually take into account;
3. Once the poster provides the info, if the person makes valid points, throw in a personal attack at them to put them on the defensive or discount the source of their information. Be sure to obfuscate and/or muddy the waters regarding the debated issue as much as possible.
4. If they still insist on posting, start again at Step #1.

There are slight variations of this technique depending on the conservative, but the basics are pretty much still the same.

Cheers!

Hey clb72,

I agree that we need more constructive ways of disagreeing with one another. I don't think anyone is really trying to foster that type of environment. I did make a couple generalizations that weren't very fair. I should have directed my comments specifically to the idiot that seemingly knows the political and religous persuasions of everyone here, based on the fact that they dislike his favorite celebrity man crush. Maybe that's why Keith seems to be glowing, perhaps he met someone special.

Hmmm... Bob, you weren't on vacation in Tampa last week too, were you?

Jack,

I am not only familiar with the Conyers report but unlike you actually watched it live on C-SPAN. What I saw was every crackpot lefty with an abacus putting forth discredited mathematical theories that "proved" vote fraud. As you are new to the site let me add that we covered this AT LENGTH at the time. I was actually invited by some of these folks, including one of the chief blackboxers, Kathy Dopp, to analyze the mathematical premise of their work. Their "analysis" was pure crap. They later withdrew the "studies" they had prepared for Conyers because the authors admitted that the data they used was made up (specifically, they sought to compare exit poll data to actual vote results to show that the early exit polls showing a Kerry win were accurate and that the actual vote tallies in the various voting precincts were inaccurate; they were not privy to the exit poll data and so "extrapolated" data from varius bits of incomplete and unverifiable data leaked on sites like Drudge and Wonkette.)

You are more than welcome to review the archives and satisfy yourself that this was all given a full hearing on OlbermannWatch - or you can continue to rant away like a loon. It's all good to me.

KfK -

No one put any 'burdon of proof' on you, I just said I don't buy the 'aides babysitting' story nor the DNC's claim that it couldn't find anything wrong in Ohio.

I came to this conclusion on my own, not just because the information was coming from a particular source or that it happened to coincide with a position I'd already taken.

Look, I'd rather that there weren't any fraud in the voting system and I want to be wrong about that so bad I can taste it - BUT there's the Conyers' report which collects witness testimony of fraud in Ohio and delineates all of Blackwell's abuses of power.

So forgive me if I find the DNC's opinion to be lacking.

And if you're so attached to your assumption, can you tell me what motive Conyers might have had for writing the report. And you'd better have something of more substance than he's a Democrat who's jealous that his party isn't in power, because that's a conspiracy theory.

Oh, and dude, could you come up with some better epithets? 'Dope', 'jackass' and 'loon' are pretty threadbare at this point and are indicative of a lazy thinker.

You wouldn't want to expose yourself as a lazy thinker now would you?

Oh, wait...

Robert -

No I watched the hearings on C-SPAN as well, (in fact, I have a tape of it) and I didn't see anything remotely like what you describe so your assertion lack legs (a commonality with your arguments it seems). And it isn't just 'mathematical theories' that point out fraud - as I've said Blackwell's shenanigans alone are highly suspicious and none of it has anything to do with math.

And I am not going to waste my time wading through the tripe written here regarding the 2004 election - you can have that circle-jerk with your ardent supporters.

Cheers!

Jack,

If you watched the hearings then you might have noticed that the primary agenda of Conyers and Jesse Jackson, Jr. was to advance the idea of federalizing Presidential elections. Since you lefties are always trying to wrap yourself in the Constitution when it suits your purpose perhaps you can justify this agenda? Isn't federalizing elections unconstitutional? Of course, there reason for this was to create a new legal route for challenging Presidential elections setting up the typical liberal response to any democratic (small D) outcome they don't like....LITIGATE!!!

BTW, why I am not surprised that you would prefer not to bother reading the brilliants posts I wrote in November 2004. Much more satisfying to "imagine" what bright people like me say, write or think and then respond to the strawman of your own making. In fact, that sounds a lot like your hero Keith so that explains a lot.

'Since you lefties are always trying to wrap yourself in the Constitution when it suits your purpose perhaps you can justify this agenda?'

It's such a shame you can't see me chuckling out loud at this ham-handed question. And I wouldn't say it was an agenda as much as it an attempt at a solution.

But I'll bite: To justify this I'd say it has more to do with making sure that our elections are open to the public to see instead of being conducted behind closed doors with little to no oversite of the Republican-friendly corporations doing the vote tally.

'Isn't federalizing elections unconstitutional?'

Dunno, I'm not a Constitutional scholar. But, I do know that stealing and election is certainly unconstitutional, in fact, I believe that's supposed to saddle you with the label 'traitor'. But Ann Coulter's kinda played that word out by misapplying it to anyone who doesn't support Conservatives, so I'll just settle for 'criminal'.

Hey, let's play a little game, shall we?

Let's pretend that the 2004 election happened exactly the way it occurred with only one difference: Kerry wins and all the Repub/Dem roles are reversed.

The big contested state is still Ohio and it turns out that Ohio's Secretary of State also happens to be the co-chair of the Kerry election campaign in Ohio. It is soon discovered that the SoS has managed to disenfranchise thousands of potential Republican votes via a series of shady stunts, like rejecting registrations that weren't printed on the proper paper stock.

It is also discovered that the SoS has certified for the state questionable voting machines whose inner-workings and software are kept from public scrutiny by the Democrat-friendly corporations providing them.

Then, on and after election day, a flood of citizens who tend to mostly be Republicans, begin to complain about these machines having 'glitches' that result in the voter not being able to vote for the candidate of his or her choice. For example, when someone tries to vote for Bush, they press the button but the machine tells them they voted for Kerry. With no paper trail to verify the votes, the American public is forced to accept the outcome provided by the Democrat-friendly vote tabulators who assure us that everything's on the up-and-up. 'Trust us', they say.

At the end, it will turn out that 99% of these 'glitches' result in additional votes for Kerry. Concerned citizens begins to test 'mathematical theories' that tend to show the results were tampered with, but critics claim these people are unqualified and inept and their work is discounted.

The RNC then issues a report claiming not to have found any fraud in the Ohio election despite George Sensenbrenner having held a hearing that discovered piles of evidence. The Democrat-controlled Congress sees no reason to investigate and, in fact goes out of its way to shout down and ridicule anyone who attempts to question the results. Bill Frist decides to throw in with a group of concerned House Republicans and challenge the election results, but is not taken seriously.

Democrats say it's just sour grapes -- your guy didn't win and now you're upset. Time to move on, nothing to see here.

Okay, now tell me: would you still have the same position as you do now?

Would you call for a recount or would this all be kosher to you?

I'm almost 100% certain you'll take the same route as other Repubs to whom I've posed this scenario and dodge the whole thing entirely. Or use the excuse McClellan has worn out about not acknowledging hypotheticals.

So, come on, Robert, show me that you're not a hypocite and say that you wouldn't mind if Kerry 'won' the last election in the same manner Bush did.

This ought to be good.

Even the cadets at West Point are smarter than you idiots and can recognize the truth when they hear it.

"Last year I had the honor of speaking at West Point. It was an audience not so very different from this one. Except that instead of you, the audience was made up of about twelve hundred cadets. Many of whom will be going to Iraq in the next year or so.

The occasion was the Sol Feinstone Lecture on the Meaning of Freedom endowed by philanthropist Sol Feinstone. It’s an annual event and Sol Feinstein’s granddaughter, who is about my age, attended.

After telling a number jokes and getting the cadets on my side. I told them that we had been lied into the war in Iraq. I had just published a book entitled The Truth (with jokes), and I told the cadets that you can’t have freedom without the truth. You can have freedom without jokes, as has been proven by the Dutch and the Swiss.

I proceeded to prove that we had been lied into war, citing example after example of President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, and Condi Rice, who had been National Security Advisor in the lead-up to the war, telling the public information that they knew not to be true.

At the end of the speech I received a standing ovation from the cadets. Sol Feinstone’s granddaughter told me she had gone to every lecture for the last thirty or so years, and that I received only the second standing ovation. The other was for Max Cleland, who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam."

Mr. Frost-- If there is a mountain of evidence to show that there were irregularities in the voting, then why didn't the Dems expose this criminal conduct in a court of law? You gave the lame excuse earlier that the DNC didn't go further with this because they didn't want to be seen unfavorably by the public, but when has that ever been the standard for the Carvilles and Begalas of the world? And if there was a real story there, you want to believe that the lefty news outlets wouldn't have landed on this with with both feet? No, only Krazy Keith takes up this cause, utterly lacking in support except for the loony "X-Files" conspiratorial logic that exists at moveon.org and the daily kos.

hank -

'You gave the lame excuse earlier that the DNC didn't go further with this because they didn't want to be seen unfavorably by the public'

That isn't MY lame excuse, that was the lame excuse being peddled at the time by Kerry and the DNC. I'm not saying I buy the excuse, I'm just telling you about it.

Come down off your high horse.

And keep saying that this is all 'kooky, lefty X-files stuff', at some point you may even actually convince yourself of it.

Jack,

Politics is a corrupt, dirty business. People, parties and politicians lie, cheat and steal.

The methods of counting votes in this country are a disgrace. In New York we use machines that are about 30 years old. When I lived in Chicago we used punch cards, a technology from the 1950s.

I don't think the country changed that much when Clinton beat Bush or Dole, I don't think the country changed much when Bush beat Gore or Kerry. I don't see all that much difference between the two political parties and have little use for either of them.

You seem to think that because I run a site called OlbermannWatch that I hold views diametrically opposed to KO or - for some odd reason - completely in agreement with Bill O'Reilly. Can you imagine a world where I don't like Bill or Keith? Or where I don't like the GOP or the Democratic Party? Where I don't support Kerry or Bush? I know it might cause your head to explode but ponder that for a moment and get back to me.

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