Are conservatives finally starting to see that the Mission wasn't accomplished when Bush put on his pilot suit? The banner was put there because the President gave a speech there, and the underlying message was that the mission was accomplished.

So, Keith, keep on saying whatever you want, and when Lee from LA gets his own Television show he can say whatever he wants.

Excuse me. I saw the pretend president strut across the carrier in his uniform, victorious. And I think some of us in the USA really belived it at that moment. Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and all the neocons had proven that a Super Power could take over a country of 25 mil. Because the dictator didn't like us (because Rummy had betrayed him) and he was a bad, bad, bad man. And he had OIL. No WMD? Oh, well. And Osama bin Laden lives happily somewhere because Bush is protecting USA from what?

Oh, and tell Lee from LA that a declaration doesn't need to be something stated outloud. A sign is also a declaration.

Olbermann shouldnt be taken seriously, let's face it, he is a clown.

lets see...President lands on an aircraft carrier in a jumpsuit and after high fiving several servicemen walks up to a poduim with a mission accomplished banner behind him and announces major combat operations are over and that the US was victorious.

Does Lee from LA have severe case of ADD? I'm shocked he was even able to fire off an email to msnbc in the first place. How does he remember his email password?

Thanks to Crooks and Liars for pointing out this site. It is abso-freaking-lutely the funniest thing I've seen in weeks. Each post is like watching a retard making poo sculptures, then calling out to the rest of the playground:

"Look! Look at my poo sculptures!"

Only, in that funny retard voice.

I see a real future for you Mr. Cox.

The left wing extremists that have taken over the Democrat party are cheering for the enemy. They cheer every American serviceman's death, because they think it will help them gain power. They would rather side with the Muslim extremists against our own soldiers.

Shame on them.

Wow, Patrick, I never saw it that way. I really DO want Americans to die..

Any nutjob who would think that deserves to fall in a well full of scorpions with no stingers, just really sharp teeth, and then right after their legs are gone they get rescued by canibals who dine on their eyes and testicles before they toss them in the gutter where they crawl out into the street and get hit by a car.

I've seen Dems where I work smile when they hear about the latest casualty count. They can't wait for the next milestone to occur. They are hoping 3,000 comes before the November elections.

Dems only care about politics and power. The American soldier is the least of their concerns.

We all know it - we are not blind.

Shame Shame Shame.

The left wing extremists that have taken over the Democrat party are cheering for the enemy. They cheer every American serviceman's death, because they think it will help them gain power. They would rather side with the Muslim extremists against our own soldiers.

Wow Patrick, I have heard some whoppers in my time, but this beggars the imagination. Do you honestly believe for one second (hell, for one millisecond) what you're saying?

I would like to meet these so-called "Democrats" because they aren't representing me or the majority of my party any more than the Evangelicals represent the majority of the Republican Party.

I said it before: you can be anti-war and pro-troop. The two aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

I think I hit the nail on the head - struck a nerve so to speak. The Dems dirty little secret (the extreme left wing ones - which is what I said in my first post). The Kos' kids - and move on crazies don't give a darn about our soldiers. They only see them as numbers to help their left wing cause.

You go on thinking that Patrick.

I agree with Patrick that these leftwingers (like KO) don't give a rip about our soldiers. It is all about politics and power to them. They really are gleeful when they think America is losing to the Muslim fascists. That is why they keep losing elections. And despite the polls, it is why they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November. They are so extreme, they can't help themselves.

Patrick: I wish you were wrong. But you're not.

I'm glad, though, that you added a qualifier. What you said doesn't apply to all liberals. I believe that Trekkie is sincere in his beliefs. Olbermann is not.

Patrick: I wish you were wrong. But you're not.

I'm glad, though, that you added a qualifier. What you said doesn't apply to all liberals. I believe that Trekkie is sincere in his beliefs. Olbermann is not.

"You should reconsider ending an otherwise credible broadcast each day with this sour line. It ruins it and leaves me with a bad impression everyday."

it SHOULD leave you with a bad impression everyday, nimwit -- just not the one you're having. because you're an idiot. "mission accomplished" means just that, shit-for-brains. and all you're hearing is a reporting of the facts. but since you're sucking on the FauxNews tit most of the time, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH." with apologies to Jack Nicholson.

if you could (handle the truth) you'd be left with the bad impression that more soldiers will die needlessly in Iraq -- and under the false pretenses lied by this administration -- than died on 9/11.

but keep watchin' Keith, you ignoramous. and maybe someday some of this will sink in.

if you could (handle the truth) you'd be left with the bad impression that more soldiers will die needlessly in Iraq -- and under the false pretenses lied by this administration -- than died on 9/11.
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Unfortunately, some people on the left are counting on it.
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A see a lot of anger from left wing posters here, and I think I know why. Could you imagine what would happen to the "progressive" movement if Iraq became a success? They have hinged their credibility and future success over the next couple of decades on Iraq being a failure. Instead of honest criticism of the war, they put all their eggs in the "Bush is the devil" basket. They got a tight grip on the handle and their knuckles are white. Not even our national security, the almost guaranteed implosion of Iraq and the rest of the middle east pending a premature withdraw of US troops, or the limitless amount of recruiting propoganda for terrorists everywhere, can soften the stance of the wacky left.

Fanaticism only cowers to the butt of a gun. I challenge anyone to go meet with terrorists to work out a diplomatic solution. Good luck keeping your head on your shoulders.

Wow. All this rage over Keith Olbermann. Almost as pathetic as the people who get mad about O'Reilly. Don't like it? Turn it off.

Oh, as for accuracy for Lee in LA, remember when the White House tried to blame the Navy for the sign, but the Navy pointed out that the White House made the sign? http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As for the guy, obviously posting under several names with "Shame" in each message -- if you believe that people against the war in Iraq want to see soldiers dead, you should change the channel from the echo chambers you evidently frequent. I know some idiots have espoused views like that, but I don't judge all Republicans based upon the rantings of Rush Limbaugh. That would be inaccurate and unfair.

Acutally, it wouldn't be all that "inaccurate and unfair" to judge all Republicans based upon the rantings of Rush Limbaugh. Bush still has about a 72% approval rating among Republicans ... so you can bank on at least 7 out of 10 being total idiots.

be fair ... not total idiots ... just misquided. republicans: forgive them for they no not what they do.

be fair ... not total idiots ... just misquided ones. Republicans: Forgive them for they know not what they do.

sorry to repost. got a server error the first time. didn't mean to repeat myself.

No need to apologize. Comments as insightful, quick-witted, and thought-provoking as yours are always worth reading twice.

"I feel like despite your rhetoric, that compassion and common sense have been left far behind during your administration," Taylor said, standing in a balcony seat and looking down at Bush on stage. "And I would hope from time to time that you have the humility and grace to be ashamed of yourself."

This from Harry Taylor, posing a question today to idiot-but-not-savant Bush in Charlotte, North Carolina. The jig is finally up on this pathetic excuse for a president, and people are beginning to see him for the miserable fool he is.

What a pathetic site. It's time we people realize that Rush Limbaugh as well as Rande Rhodes are just two sides of the same hate card. If you buy into how evil either side says the other is, all you wind up with is incorrect information and hate. Folks, the talking heads have misrepresented what both sides are about at the expence of America. Can we stop guessing what is in the other sides heads and start remembering that down deep, we are all decent people. No matter how much Rande Rhodes tells me to hate the conservative, I will remember you are good folks.

yeah, right ... the "good folks" who have supported, and continue to support, the killing of between fifty and a hundred thousand innocent women and children in Iraq.

Quite True. 100K Deaths is a conservative estimate. And most of those are Women and Children.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

But most of ya'll at this site won't believe it because these stats are from that left-wing rag, The Washington Post. Get real. Facts are facts. 50-100K dead. Half again as many wounded and mamed. Most of those women and children. Nice going America. Wrong War. Wrong Place. Wrong Time. Stupid Fucking President.

"I agree with Patrick that these leftwingers (like KO) don't give a rip about our soldiers. It is all about politics and power to them. They really are gleeful when they think America is losing to the Muslim fascists."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... It's really disturbing that there are people out there who actually believe this sort of rhetoric. It's really disheartening.

hey salome-shit-for-brains. it's the right who's killed 2300+ soldiers for no good reason. you're the ones who don't give a shit about the troops, a--hole.

If only Keith's lame ass show generated as much interest in political discussion as this website's message board.

I said it before and I'll say it again. TV shows are in business to make money. They make money by selling advertising time. When viewership is low - as is the case with Countdown - the opportunity cost for generating increased ad revenue in that time slot will eventually cause the parent network to drop the show. Hopefully and mercifully, that time is near.

How many people died in World War II? Was that war worth fighting?

Quoting how many soliers died is not a defense for your position. While a sobering statistic that should rest on the hearts and minds of every American, it is not a defense for you anti-war position.

Can I get a prediction from the anti war critics concerning the stability and political future of the middle east if the US withdraws prematurely?
How about a thoughtful analysis instead of four letter words.

It ain't world war II, dummy (it's world war III ... HA!).

It's an illegal, misguided, un-necessary, poorly-planned, poorly-executed, occupation-for-oil, police-action gone awry.

Police action? Is John Kerry in the house?

You're being too kind to call it a "police action". illegal occupation is more like it. bought and paid for with lies and american lives and treasure, all for a foolish neocon "let's force democracy on the middle east to stabilize it" notion.

How many people died in World War II? Was that war worth fighting?- Dave

It ain't world war II, dummy (it's world war III ... HA!).- Sheila

I'm not going to jump to conclusions and call you stupid or intellectual dishonest, but I WAS refering to world war II. I was making the point that people die in every conflict, that doesn't mean the conflict was wrong, as I'm sure everyone here can appreciate the sacrifice that was made to win WWII.

Was= past tense

WWII. Was that war worth fighting?
WWIII. Is this war worth fighting?

I think Bush was a little late with "No Child Left Behind".

must ... speak ... more ... slowly ... for ... moron ... fox ... viewers.

it ain't world war II
means
it (the iraq war) ain't world war II.

so ... you ... can't ... really ... compare ... the ... two ... you ... stupid ... ditto ... head.

There has been a Leftist Islamo-Fascist alliance going back to the 70's. In fact one of the Left's icons Carlos the Jackal has converted to Islam. Also during the cartoon protests Olbermann said the Islamo-Fascists were justified. It's only a matter of time befor Olbermann says the following:
"I have an a anouncement folks, I procalim Allah the one true God and Muhammad peace be upon him as his Prophet! Then Howard Dean and George Soros will also proclaim their faith and so will millions. Overnight the Dems will become an Islamic party.
The only reason I'm saying this is because the Left hates Western Judeo-Christian Capitalist civilization. By converting to Islam it will be the ultimate rebellion against our way of life. Yesterday's Secular Leftists will be tommorow's Islamo-Fascists.

Jerry your absolutely right. Sheila was refering to Iraq. I guess Bush left me behind.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Andysan, if you'll look again, you'll see that

#1, I was quoting someone who made the "hating troops" comment, and

#2, responded to said comment in a negative manner.

Please take some time out to read the comments, take a breath, and figure out who is saying what before you mouth off.

oops, sorry. so it's Patrick who has shit-for-brains. thanks for clearing that up.

You're welcome. Thank you for apologizing.

I am new to this site but just saw the apology and what was said about Patrick, so I read his entry that said:

"The left wing extremists that have taken over the Democrat party are cheering for the enemy. They cheer every American serviceman's death, because they think it will help them gain power. They would rather side with the Muslim extremists against our own soldiers. Shame on them."

The reason people cheer the death of American servicemen in Iraq is because they are illegal invaders/occupiers, and so it is justice. Yes, they came to liberate, but now we find out they were lying about why. And it is so long past the liberation, that they are now seen as occupiers and invaders.

Certainly, every death is tragic, but even the bible says an "eye for an eye". And the Americans have done so much damage in Iraq, and they have killed so many innocent people, that it is only fitting that many of them die as well.

And the Americans have done so much damage in Iraq, and they have killed so many innocent people, that it is only fitting that many of them die as well.

Sanjay, with all due respect, get off my side.

They went because they were ORDERED TO GO. So to say it is "fiiting" that they should perish for a choice made by a political body is offensive and wrong.

It's not like they could say "No I don't want to go." because that would be willfully disobeying a lawful order during a time of war under Article 90, Section 2 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If such a soldier was lucky, he'd just spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth Prison.

Criticize the White House all you want, but don't lay the blame on the Reservists and Guardsmen who got dragged into it.

I am not blaming, I am saying it is simple justice, and is probably the will of God that many Americans die as well. Many thousands of Iraqis have died. Probably tens of thousands. And most are women and children. Should the killers pay no price at all?

I rest my case. Thanks Sanjay.

Sounds like Trekkie does not like it so much when he see just whose side he is really on. Thanks Sanjay for bringing some clarity to the discussion.

Ouch!

Sanjay, just reinforced my post between the Left and Islamo-Fascism. I hope this wakes Trekkie up since he seems like a patriotic Liberal. Liberals and Leftists are 2 different species. Keith Olbermann is a Leftist, Joe Lieberman is a Liberal. That's the difference.
It's only a matter of time before the Radical Left embraceses Islamo-Fascism. Mark my words.

Sanjay, just reinforced my post between the Left and Islamo-Fascism. I hope this wakes Trekkie up since he seems like a patriotic Liberal. Liberals and Leftists are 2 different species. Keith Olbermann is a Leftist, Joe Lieberman is a Liberal. That's the difference.
It's only a matter of time before the Radical Left embraceses Islamo-Fascism. Mark my words.

I suspect Keith is more likely an opportunist.

Sounds like Trekkie does not like it so much when he see just whose side he is really on.

I'm not on his side. He's on mine, but if you'd like him you can have him. No way am I gonna back him up (and if you ask, a lot of Dems will agree with me).

But folks with Sanjay's point of view get airtime because they're controverisal and adversarial. Folks like me don't because we're dull (relatively speaking) and don't cause controversy.

It's the same on the right - the folks with the way-out opinions get heard while the more moderate Republicans are marginalized.

Trekkie,
I definately don't put you in the same camp as the Left. I consider you a Liberal.

The reason your country is having so many problems is because of the war you are waging in the Middle East. Your citizens are very divided and hostile towards each other (just look at the comments at this site). Many Americans are calling for the impeachment of your president. And so many politicians are being arrested for scandels and bribes. Your deficit is at an all-time high. You even lost a major city after a hurricane and couldn't even protect it or clean it up afterwards. Aren't disasters in your coutnry like hurricanes called "acts of God"? Maybe he's not on your side anymore.

Actually, our country is doing just fine. The issue of the moment is what to do with with so many people wanting to come live here.

If by "problems" you mean that people here engage in open political argument, we seem to have struggled along for the past couple of hundred years fine, thanks.

I don't think the U.S. has cornered the market on shady politicians, corruption and bribes. Where are you from Sanjay? Is it much better there?

I didn't know God was on our side previously so I am not sure he's not on "our" side now but I'm glad you think that he was at some point. That said, I don't think we "lost" a major city and I'm sure not clear how you'd expect us to "protect" a city from a natural disaster. Sometimes we have hurricanes or earthquakes or tornadoes. Any thoughts on how we can wrap our cities in a bubble and make them go away?

Actually, our country is doing just fine. The issue of the moment is what to do with with so many people wanting to come live here.

If by "problems" you mean that people here engage in open political argument, we seem to have struggled along for the past couple of hundred years fine, thanks.

I don't think the U.S. has cornered the market on shady politicians, corruption and bribes. Where are you from Sanjay? Is it much better there?

I didn't know God was on our side previously so I am not sure he's not on "our" side now but I'm glad you think that he was at some point. That said, I don't think we "lost" a major city and I'm sure not clear how you'd expect us to "protect" a city from a natural disaster. Sometimes we have hurricanes or earthquakes or tornadoes. Any thoughts on how we can wrap our cities in a bubble and make them go away?

Sanjay, leave this country if you don't like it you Islamo-Fascist!

Whenever a radical says something you start seeing fallacies fly out everywhere. Ignore the topic and talk solely about what one person said. There are numerous radical right-wingers out there, and the reason why you don't see liberals here pointing that out is because we're actually debating instead of name-calling and generalizing.

And how do we know Sanjay is really sincere? He could be a right-winger posting under another alias to try and make the left look bad (insert un-witty comment here).

To Nonfactor,
Sanjay obviously is an Islamo-Fascist Sympathisizer. It's funny when the Left name calls they say it's facts when the Right does the same thing, they say it's name calling. I've always notice the Left can never stand to be critisized.

NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED

I don't think Sanjay is an "Islamo-Fascist" sympathisizer or posing as something he is not. I think he reflect what many people outside the U.S. think about the U.S. I have lived/worked in Europe and Asia and found it quite common that people - smart, well-educated - saw the U.S. the major force for bad in the world. You will find the same thing in Canada and elsewhere around the world. In many cases it is a back-handed compliment sort of way because most of the people I met would come around to the point of saying that the U.S. "could" do so much more...like it has this "unrealized" potential for good.

Not speaking for Sanjay, but in my experience what they don't like is, generally, our projecting force around the world. They see us involving ourselves in matters ranging from Korea, to Israel/Palestine, to Central America, to Taiwan and more and call that American "arrogance". For them, Afghanistan and Iraq is just more of the same

In responding to people who express this view to me, I note that they have the LUXURY of that attitude because their country does not have the resources, the will, the technology of the military capability to play the role America plays in the world. Since there are no countries in the world that have the ability to project power globally except the United States these people live in countries where they are never confronted with the choice of whether to involve themselves in geopolitical hot spots. America HAS a choice and everyone knows it and so the world looks to us to intervene in every issue and expects we can, if we want, solve every problem (hence, their complaints are a form of back-handed compliment). When people are starving in Somalia, or devasted by a Tsunami in the Indian Ocean, being ethnically cleansed in Eastern Europe or North Africa, invaded in Kuwait, or rocked by an earthquake in Pakistan who does the world look to for help? The Netherlands? Brazil? South Africa? Japan?

I can cite a long list of cases where countries in a given region sat on their hands and did nothing about major problems in their "neighborhood" and where ultimately the U.S., directly or indirectly through NATO or the UN (both of which we support with the lion's share of their funding and resources) is called upon to intervene.

Unlike every other country in the world, the United States is confronted with a moral dilemma each and every time some natural disaster occurs, a civil war breaks out or a genocide is undertaken because unlike the rest of the countries in the world we have the ability to go there and make a decisive difference.

Now, we can argue all day as to whether the U.S. makes the RIGHT choice in any given situation but it is beyond argument that America is the one country that always HAS a choice. Our political leaders make the choice and the American taxpayer reaches into his or her own pocket to fund that choice. The "thanks" we get is the attitude of people like Sanjay.

You just have to remember that no good deed goes unpunished.

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It's easy to pontificate about what you think Bush did wrong since 9/11/01. It makes me wonder if any of the anti-OlbermannWatch people would be interested to walk through what they would have done if THEY were running the country on 9/12/01. Not what they WOULDN'T have done but what they WOULD have done if they were calling the shots.

I know I will get some inane replies to this comment but there are a few anti-OW folks on this site who seem to have some genuinely held opinions. I'd be curious if any of them can debate their way out of a paper bag.

To prevent the debate from being hijacked on the comment threat I'd be willing to set up a post dedicated to an online dialog so you can "take me on" in a debate via email. I'll update the post with the emails. I will leave comments on so other readers can chime in but only the two of us will be updated in the post itself.

Being that I am smarter than all of you I promise to be gentle.

Any takers?

"It is a shameful act by somebody who has got secrets of the United States government and feels like they need to disclose them publicly ... We’re at war, and we must protect America’s secrets." – George W. Bush, December 19, 2005.

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff has testified that President Bush authorized him to disclose the contents of a highly classified intelligence assessment to the media to defend the Bush administration’s decision to go to war with Iraq, according to papers filed in federal court on Wednesday.

Robert, your " No good deed" piece nails it. Thank you.

Good point Robert. Since the rest of the world hates us maybe we should let it go to hell. Then we'll see the very people who're anti-American beg us for leadership.

O'Reilly Rules,

I can't go there.

How many times have any of us tried to do the right thing or help someone only to have it thrown back in our face. This does not happen all the time but when it does it stings. That it does is not a reason to not keep trying.

Robert,
I agree with you It's just it seems we 're damn if we do, damn if we don't! I was venting some frustration.

"Why might Mr. Bush want another war? For one thing, Mr. Bush, whose presidency is increasingly defined by the quagmire in Iraq, may believe that he can redeem himself with a new Mission Accomplished moment ... But given the combination of recklessness and dishonesty Mr. Bush displayed in launching the Iraq war, why should we assume that he wouldn't do it again?"

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Even if Iran does pose a real imminent threat to U.S. security, Bush has squandered a lot of political capital, alienated many Americans and allies alike, and hampered the U.S. military, by foolishly invading and occupying a middle-east country which was never an imminent threat to U.S. security ... and lying about it every step of the way.