I've counted 14 fallacies in dollar's post. Lets see who can find them all first.

impartial, unbiased headline "FEAR AND DIVISION".

hmm, would you prefer "Love and Acceptance" perhaps? The thing is when you think about it, it just dosen't quite seem to fit.

Poor poor Keith! As you noted, Mr. Dollar, his latest numbers were horrific:

The Scoreboard: Friday, June 2

8PM

1. O'Reilly 1,981,000
2. Zahn 507,000
3. Grace 344,000
4. Meltdown 258,000 (LAST)

Ratings for prime time MSLSD shows Friday June 2nd

1. Hardball 315,000
2. MSNBC Investigates 276,000
3. Meltdown 258,000 (LAST)

Now, the last ratings bump Krazy had was (in his mind) related to Bill O'Reilly. At the time, the maniac of Meltdown thanked Bill for mentioning his wterched show and said:

"if I punch upwards at Fox News, the clever response, the cynical and brilliant response is to just ignore. Like, well, why do we have to worry, they have one-seventh of our audience?"

Seems O'Reilly took the advice. Keith is now trying desperately to get noticed, so the attacks are becoming more strident (as well as crazier and crazier). He knows O'Reilly doesn't "hate our troops." The only question is how long will the Creep of the Countdown attack if he is ignored.

I guess this shows that living on the edge of the ratings knife night after night does horrible things to a weak mind.

Meltdown is the cable news bore
The viewers have Keith on ignore
Attack O'Reilly each night
Keith's brain just ain't right
He's in last if you're keeping score

Queers, smears, and jeers, just a typical day's work for Keeth.

I just wish he had one of those digital synth doohickeys like Jim Cramer has on CNBC, with all those whacky noises to punctuate his disturbed hallucinatory ramblings.

Does this look desperate (from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/):

"
"• Factor Fiction
It’s Normandy, Bill. Apologize."

Olby is one step away from BEGGING O'Reilly to respond. I read this as "please don't ignore me Bill!" Absolutely pathetic.

Stop beating that dead horse of "the transcript company did it". It was clear that BOR said Malmedy. They changed it to Normandy because he thought he had a case there. Problem is, it was american and polish troops that were lined up and murdered at Normandy too.

I agree "blase'" is the wrong word. Lier is more like it. In the first clip of BOR and Wesley Clark, it shows BOR explicity saying that the so-called shooting occured at Malmedy. In his "apology", he claims he meant *after* Malmedy. BOR LIED in his apology. He didn't actually apologize for what he DID say, so you could conclude that BOR still thinks he's right.

You forgot to mention Paul Rieckhoff is an Iraq veteran. He's a busy guy and seems to be about two weeks behind on his main blog.
http://paulrieckhoff.com/home/index.asp

I don't believe BOR hates the troops per se. I do believe he would slander his own mother to make a point, however.

Chill out on the McPhee thing. Remember the old adage, "print anything you want, just spell my name right." McPhee is getting free exposure and who cares anyway?

I enjoy this wingnut site as much as any and kudos for allowing comments, because it seems like most of Wingnutia doesn't allow comments, but one thing that keeps bugging me is why do you guys fear a last place show so much?

hit_escape, RUN to the dictionary store. The word 'liar' is not really so tough. The "Normandy" thing also makes no sense. If Fox News " scrubbed it clean" by replacing the word "Malmady" with "Normandy", how has that changed anything? It is no less an insult for those who believe O'Reilly was deliberately disparaging the WW2 vets. I mean think about it, the fact that is was printed originally as "Normandy" in exactly the same context as BO's statement, that proves it was a simple typo by the transcript typist. I would ask Krazy Keith how he deciphered a simple, yet understandable, incorrect word as "scrubbing clean" the matter? As my grandpap used to say, " This Bugger is Loco!"

Keith pretended like it is something extraordinary for Congress to debate things that are unlikely to pass, and compared banning gay marriage to slavery.

We're not prepared for hurricane season, the economy is slowing down, gas prices are through the roof and Iraq is a mess. Is this really the time to discuss same-sex marriage (which will barely get a simple majority), flag-burning (an issue that has been in decline for years), expanding concealed weapons permits and repealing the estate tax? Nobody who has to spend $40 at the pump for gas gives a tinker's damn about the estate tax.

Big dog that didn't bark: nothing whatsoever about the terror arrests in Canada or possible ties to persons in the US.

BUZZ! Wrong, but thanks for playing. If you had been listening, KO brought it up when discussing the fact that the immigration bill is stalled and how all the focus has been on the Mexican Border and yet nothing was said about what happened in Canada over the weekend.

I mean think about it, the fact that is was printed originally as "Normandy" in exactly the same context as BO's statement, that proves it was a simple typo by the transcript typist.

Only if the typist is deaf and dumb and has no access to the closed-captioning software that is used. Normandy and Malmedy don't even sound like similar names.

Well OK, you got me. An offhand mention in an interview is something more than "nothing whatsoever". My point was there was no report on it, no featured interview, not even recycled NBC video. If he mentioned it in passing then you have a fair point, but hs still gave it the shortest of shrift.

Olbermann's continued vendetta (an obvious farce to keep the support of lefty-bloggers) against O'Reilly is starting to become ridiculous. His contrived segment last Friday was hysterical because it was so blatantly fake. Nice mock anger there Keith, please don?t try acting any time soon. Do people truly believe that O'Reilly purposely slandered WW2 veterans? Do they really think Keith even remotely believes that? The fact that Krazy Keith had another segment on the same topic tonight shows how absolutely desperate the man is for attention. Outside of his limited group of liberal sycophants, nobody cares about his immature Oreilly obsession or his shitty show.

Btw, notice how Keith praised General Clarke even though he works for the dreaded FoxNews? Curious isn't it? The fact the Fox employs Clarke kind of blows a hole in Kooky-Keith's theory that FoxNews is "neither far nor balanced." Also, I wonder where Keith's great concern for our troops was when he lead three consecutive broadcasts with the Haditha incident?

A complete idiot wrote:

>Normandy and Malmedy don't even sound like similar names.

OK champ! You ever dictate something? You ever see typos? If I am talking about WW2 to a TYPIST and say something like "Malmedy", do you think they know what I'm talking about? If I talk about a WW2 battle and say "Malmedy," how many TYPISTS will be stumped and / or imagine they heard "Normandy?" You Kooky Keith style Konspiracists say the dumbest things, just like your demented last place hero. Once again, of course, we end up talking about someone OTHER than Krazy Keith thanks to his scatterbrained fans.

hit_escape typed:

>I enjoy this wingnut site as much as any and kudos for allowing comments, because it seems like most of Wingnutia doesn't allow comments, but one thing that keeps bugging me is why do you guys fear a last place show so much?

So he starts by harping on imaginary sites that "don't allow comments" and dumps Olbywatch in there with these fictional sites -- pure Olbfuscation. Then he asks why we care about Olby even after Mr. Cox has explained the need for Olbywatch over and over again. How do these Olbyites expect not to get insulted?

The reason Olby is annoying to most normal people is because he lies nightly on TV. He doen't just slant or spin the news, he makes it up. If you can't see why that should bother us, there is little hope for you.

I am so happy that I decided to google Olbermann and moron. Olbermann absolutley drives me crazy and I was wondering if anyone else felt the same. I assumed no one really cared due to all ten people who watch his show, but I googled all the same.

Keith has a way of wanting me to be outraged about something. For the life of me, I could not understand why I was supposed to be pissed at O'reilly. The funny thing about Keith is that he really believes the crap coming out of his mouth. He made some comment about O'reilly and his lack of on the ground war coverage and mentioned something about Bill never making it passed sixth avenue. Is Olbermann for real? I thought Bill covered the Sandinistas in South America. Who the hell is Keith to talk? Covering the Portland "Trailgangstas" in the late 90's, does not constitute war coverage.

No one does the "I am smarter than you and if you don't believe me your a bigot/racist/homophob/moron etc.." so-called straight journalism like Keith.

Olbermann panders to his base and that's the looney, liberal, left. But it's still not winning him any viewers. His ratings are pathetic. I tried, TRIED to watch the show last night. Is it supposed to be a comedy show because I couldn't stop laughing. Does he ever have anyone on his show who would possibly put up the least defense to his lies? People talk about the slant of Fox News but they've obviously never thought to consider that Olbermann does the very same thing and doesn't even bother to have anyone on to oppose him. Once again, whatever the right does is slammed but the left is allowed to lie and get away with it. Oh well, it won't be long before Krazy Keith gets carried away in a straight jacket and is off the air anyway. Or MSNBC comes to its senses and brings back Phil Donahue who at least got better ratings.

Crash...what are you talking about. KO did live reporting from Ground Zero and won an Edward R. Murrow award, his second, for the coverage. I mean, he wasn't there when the planes where in the air, and really all that was going on was cleanup, but dammit he was there and BO wasn't.

Even the Olbermanniacs have to realize that the almost nightly attacks on an employee of another network have gone beyond the point of ridiculous. Could you imagine a real journalist like Murrow, Cronkite, hell even Rather, coming on tv 3 nights a week with entire segments devoted to another journalist? It reeks of paranoia, posturing, and borderline obsession.

KO claims that he took an oath to present the news without an agenda. You must be kidding. The mere frequency of attacks on BO point to an agenda. The obsessive coverage of Tom Cruise, the constant insinuations about Scientology, the frequent use of "Mr. Bush" as a way to question the legitmacy of a president elected with over 50% of the popular vote (something even your man Bill Clinton couldn't do) all point to different facets of the the Olbermann agenda.

I could repesct KO if he was honest. Call yourself a commentator, Keith, not an anchor. Its the repeated "I'm an objective journalist and the next Edward R Murrow" claims by KO and his minions that defies credibility, usually by the first commercial break.

Good points Scott. The comparisons to Edward R. Murrow by Olbermanics are preposterous. Keith seems to believe the hype though. He closes w/ the "Good night & good luck" line (which is quite nausea inducing) and seems to think his make believe "war" with Bill O'Reilly is comparable to the Murrow/McCarthy duel. When krazy-Keith trotted out McCarthy last night to compare him to Bill O. I realized how badly the man needs psychotherapy. The constant Tom Cruise ridiculing is getting very old too. You know what they say about people who constantly belittle others...major self esteem problems! If Keith doesn't get off the nightly O'Reilly tirades he's going to be the biggest joke of cable news. Not that he already isn't!

I have to confess, I was a little confused with the McCarthy references. Tristero explains it on Digby. Turns out, McCarthy postulated the Nazis were the victims. BO'R blathered something he remembered during the heat of argument with Wes Clark and back peddled later. If BO'R didn't really believe this crap, he would have tearfully thrown himself in front of the camera and begged forgiveness from the soldiers and families he slandered. Instead, you get a tepid apology, coupled with a lie.

Olbermann was completey justified with his point.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114959660621922484

The host must be mentally ill
His cries are becoming more shrill
His shrink says he's kooky
His tirades are spooky
He's got a weird obsession with Bill

Just watched the rerun from last night. Did anyone catch the twisting of the logic to say Al Gore's movie was more popular than the Aniston/Vaughn movie? Because's Gore's movie grossed more per screen (even though it's in something like 77 theatres), it was more popular, KO opined.

The continued beating of a drum about the Malmedy controversy that no one else is talking about. And the McPhee story that isn't true. Wow.

More unstable by the day.

JohnB

The way to make your movie popular is to have it play in fewer than 100 theaters. That way, the fans get packed in -- no empty seats. Olby uses the same logic with his own ratings, so why be surprised?

Rhodes Reason wrote:
"I just wish he had one of those digital synth doohickeys like Jim Cramer has on CNBC, with all those whacky noises to punctuate his disturbed hallucinatory ramblings"

The sound of a toilet flushing would only be necessary.

A couple quik points..

Greg, "Do people truly believe that O'Reilly purposely slandered WW2 veterans?"

If you read or listen to what he said, it was false information and defamed the reputuation of those he lied about. That is the definition of 'slander.'

Obviously people believe, or we would not have had the executive director of the IAVA.

Next...

Scott said, "the frequent use of "Mr. Bush" as a way to question the legitmacy of a president..."

The FIRST time you reference a president in a story you must reference them as, example, "President Bush." After that first reference, it's very acceptable to simply say, "Mr. Bush." Or even in sometimes, just "Bush." I do at my station... it's done at countless others. It's very common practice.

Scott finished with, "elected with over 50% of the popular vote."

Now I KNOW you're not talking about the 2000 election. You know, the one he DIDN'T win by a vote of the people?

And please don't tell me 51% vote is a mandate. I don't dispute the legitimacey of his presidency after the 04 election... but, please don't start sounding like he had a mandate.

the frequent use of "Mr. Bush"

I love you Mr. President
It's automatic, you got my vote
I'm not one bit hesitant
It's as sure as an Iraqi will cut someone's throat
You may have lied about WMD
And sent troops to Iraq without a plan
Then changed the mission to set Iraq free
It doesn't matter 'cause You Da Man
You're tough and strong
And never back down
You can't help it if you are always wrong
It doesn't matter if WMD is ever found
You invade and kill
Your policy not quite sound
As the world watched
Exploit the military for a thrill
In a war you obviously botched
Everyday more Iraqis lift a gun instead of the Qur'an
But I don't care 'cause You Da Man
I have no job, I have no life
The only fun I have is watching the Iraqi's strife
It doesn't matter that you don't know what to do
As long as you walk tough
And on the Iraqis turn the screw
For me that's enough
I support the war, through thick and thin
Unless of course the Democrats win

Three hundred years of Western science
Were intended to reduce reliance
On charlatans and superstition
Improving knowledge, health, nutrition.
Humans were expected to progress
Out of an obscurantist mess,
And, alchemy and ignorance spent,
Proceed to their enlightenment,
At a steady but increasing rate.
Our progress seemed inviolate.

But optimists were disconcerted,
For part of science was perverted,
Co-opted for warfare and destruction,
And less for improvement and instruction.
Some scientists, the egotistic,
Made names mis-using the statistic;
Others in pursuit of wealth,
Endangered other people’s health.
Bit by bit respect was wrecked
By commercializing the suspect.
Some facts once seen as proved, objective,
Emerged as just a bit subjective.

This has given the ideologue
The chance to cast a gloomy fog
Over the work of honest men,
Questioning their acumen,
And claiming what is wrong as right,
That morning is, in fact, the night.
The right wing’s devious technique
Is to adopt the double-speak
That we were warned about before
In Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty Four”:
Big Brother, straight-faced, telling you
That four plus four makes only two.

“Sound Science” is when they infer
Some “facts” from the Apocrypha.
It’s when the ignorant react
To consensus and to fact
By appointing some ambitious buddy
To conduct yet one more bogus study,
Making sure that he’s agreed
To postulate just what they need.

Hell-bent they are on mis-informing
The public about global warming,
Mounting an unwarranted attack
Via some scientific hack
On what real scientists have proved.
Faced with research they are un-moved,
Determined as they are to foil
An awkward challenge to Big Oil.
Research deemed inconvenient
Is trashed. The Right invent
Some specious reason for retraction
To postpone the obvious need for action.
These Tweedledums and Tweedle-dees
Will ruin him who disagrees,
And in good family men engender
The need to bow to their agenda.

Who knows what “facts” we’re faced with next,
Culled from some religious text,
To which the “chosen” are addicted
(Biblically contradicted!).
Against the weight of weighty science
The born-again yell their defiance,
And claim against all common sense,
And overwhelming evidence,
That everything from peak to beak,
As is, was made in just a week;
When to others it seems evident
That un-versed Hebrews were intent
On trying to explain the world around them,
And its wonders as they found them;
And (a bit of introspection)
Why Man displays such imperfection.
So, just like Jonah and the whale,
They devised a clever fairy-tale.

Fast forward now four thousand years
Rumours or wars and vales of tears.
We find the planet still is wracked
With faith that masquerades as fact.
Beware! Palmists return like ancient times
And fortune-tellers with their signs,
The ignorant, the sycophant,
The weirdo preacher, full of cant;
Poseurs and liars, those who rant,
Trying to be relevant,
Perverting science and the law
In ways we can no more ignore.
These men turn back history’s pages
To before the Middle Ages,
Without the slightest inhibition,
To the days of superstition.
And why? Truth-twisters simply want to collar
One more measly extra dollar.

Enough’s enough
Stand firm and tough!
No triumph of ideology
Anathema to you and me!

"Queers, smears, and jeers, just a typical day's work for Keeth."

Jesus freaks sneaks and leaks on O'Reilley

I beleive in the invisible man upstairs sure. He tells me to hate gays.

James the IAVA guy is a man on a mission.There is nothing non-partisan about him.I believe he's also selling a book.

It's funny that there is anyone who honestly believes that O'Reilly willfully and purposely said Malmedy when he knew otherwise, or he was talking of the top of his head during a debate. These are the same wackos who thing he was seriously calling for a terrorist attack on San Francisco. What makes me sleep better at night is knowing that most people with exception of the loony left know better than to fall for the disingenuous faux outrage displayed by Olby and like thinkers. The Meltdown? Air America? Can anyone explain why these enterprises are failing despite an approval rating below 40% for President Bush? Oh yeah, Republican incompetence(allegedly) is still leaps and bounds better than anything the Left will do.

PS- The poem is way to long for our ADD society.
Try a Haiku!

He said Malmedy
Slander said the Countdowm Clown!
we all know better

>PS- The poem is way to long for our ADD society.
Try a Haiku!>

That is the problem with most of the right. Reading anything over a page is just not a realistic endeaver.

Unless we're reading the Bible, right?

"the IAVA guy is a man on a mission."

Yeah, that mission WAS to serve in Iraq. It's funny how many (not all) of the right-wing conservatives say 'protect our troops', 'defend our troops,'... UNTIL those troops come home and start speaking out against the President. (which, incidentally enough, this guy never did... he just said O'Reilly owed an apology). Suddenly, they all have an agenda and aren't worthy of your support.

So, go fight when our President tells you to... don't complain about the lack of body armor... and when you come back to the US keep your mouth shut and don't you dare talk bad about the war or the administration. That's basically what you're saying.

Seriously, is there anything you KNOW about the IAVA other than the fact that he fought in Iraq and says Bill-O should apologize.

"There is nothing non-partisan about him."

How in the WORLD do you gather this incredulous statement from his asking for O'Reilly to apologize?

Again, you like our troops as long as they fight, keep their mouths shut, and don't speak out against the administration or any conservatives.

To quote many (not all of the right-wing conservatives), 'why do you hate our troops?'

I love republicans.

They're delicious.

"Why do (conservatives) hate our troops?" They don't, really. They just think that war is like Nintendo; as long as they don't have to fight it firsthand(or have their offspring [such as George P. Bush]), they love 'em.

Re: Olbermann: If his show sucks so bad, why is it broadcast THREE times a day?

The fact that Krazy Keith's show is broadcast three times a day speaks volumes about the lack of quality programming at MSNBC. There are more people watching most high school baseball games than the second or third showings.

Bill O'Reilly reads veiwer mail EVERY NIGHT and many are critical of him. Just another example of O'Reilly having something Olby will never have; COURAGE.

James,Paul Reickhoff has been on many shows of late.He's selling a book and was chosen by Keith Olbermann for his predictable responses.I don't deny him his right to speak and as a Marine veteran I respect his service.

O'Reilly's a pussy. Al Franken's been to Iraq 3 times; Bill-O has been there ZERO, but he's Mr. Super-Patriot.

O'Reilly's a fraud.

Hey "baby,"

Is this "O'REILLY FRANKENWATCH"? The only thing that might be relevant is "how many times has Olby been to Iraq?" Quite frankly, you don't have to go to the place you report about, or all these network news hacks would be flying non-stop.

As for this gem:

>Re: Olbermann: If his show sucks so bad, why is it broadcast THREE times a day?

That is a GREAT question. You should ask the nuts at MSLSD. My guess is that Olbermann re-runs cost nothing and Kaplan is a leftist nut with Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS). Eventually Kaplan will lose his job and so will Kooky Keith.

KfK

Yes, "Countdown" is run three times a day. But so is "The O'Reilly Factor", "Your World With Neil Cavuto" and "Hardball with Chris Matthews". Shows like "On The Record", "Scarborough Country", "Hannity and Colmes", etc. are re-run as well. So the first part of your argument is correct (re-runs cost little to nothing), but the second part has no connection to the first. That is just another patented KfK cheap shot.

No way! You gotta love KfK, the Clown Prince of the OlbermannWatch board!

Well that Patrick Fegan Guy would give him a good run. He is obviously a moron.

I have "Bush is a fucking idiot and everyone in the world knows it except for a few dipshit water-holders like KfK" syndrome.

An observation. This site carries little or no blatant vulgarity from either it's hosts nor most its commenters. However, when the Olber-fans show up the F bombs start to drop and all sense of decorum flies out the window. Ever been to Daily Kos or Huffington Post? Filthy language is the fabric that holds those sites together. Another shining example of why We are much better people than They.

Fuckin'-a right! Yippee-ki-yi-yay, MoFo!

How's that for an answer, wiseguy?

Invasion excuses proved nil,
Yet on websites like this they bleat still,
In six months they'll know
Just how much they blow,
When Democrats take back the Hill.

And when we chose to be we are far more literate. You guys write limericks, we write poetry.

George W. Bush explains the interview arrangements
he's made with the 9/11 Commission)

When called upon to testify
I said I was a busy guy
So maybe we could do it on the phone.
They really want a face to face.
I said, OK, if that's's the case,
I'm certainly not doing it alone.

I can't appear without my nanny Dick.
for Nanny Dick I've got a serious jones.
I can't appear without my Nanny Dick.
I love the way he cocks his head and drones.

Cartoonists show me as a dummy,*
With voice by Cheney (or by Rummy).
I am the butt of every late-night satirist.
But I just can't go solitaire.
I need the help that's due an heir.
I need a dad, and dad's a multilateralist.

I can't appear without my Nanny Dick.
He brings along a gravitas I lack.
I can't appear without my Nanny dick—
The one who knows why we attacked Iraq.

Yes, Condi Rice is quite precise
With foreign policy advice
On who's Afghani and who's Pakistani.
I like to have her near in case
I just can't place some foreign face,
But Condoleezza Rice is not my nanny.

I can't appear without my Nanny dick.
I wouldn't know which facts I should convey.
I can't appear without my Nanny Dick.
It's Nanny Dick who tells me what to say.

*Though Charlie McCarthy's the dummy
Whose name has been most often heard,
Some folks who remember that act say
I'm close to Mortimer Snerd.

I have "Bush is a f***ing idiot and everyone in the world knows it except for a few dipshit water-holders like KfK " syndrome.

Man, if everyone knows that "Bush is a fucking idiot" the Meltdown must get tremendous ratings because anti-Bush coverage. Well, if by EVERYONE you mean, basically NO ONE. Still haven't had anyone EXPLAIN that logic.

Everyone hates Bush
Countdown has pathetic ratings
High ratings don't equal ratings.
What gives?

????????

Heck we do both!

Hey DavidBrock,

Good point. I guess that's why Cheney told me to "go f#ck myself" on Senate floor, eh?

Here is what I would love to see O'Reilly do. Invite Olberman onto the O'reilly Factor for a one on one debate. When the show starts, O'Reilly should stand up to shake little pussyboy's hand, then immediately KO his ass right on nation television. Did I say KO? Haha Aren't I funny just like Korny Keith (moronic stage hand laughing)? Olberman is a lying, dishonest piece of shit to claim that O'Reilly hates the military. How long will MSNBC allow this one sided vendetta by pussyboy to contine? Both MSNBC and Olberman have become the laughing stock of journalism.

DAVID BROCK: "Filthy language is the fabric that holds those sites together. Another shining example of why We are much better people than They."

What hole did you just crawl out from? If proper language is the criteria for a better person, you are a brilliant example of what your "compassionate" side of the aisle considers the worth of a person. I usually think of morals, ethics, how people treat others, not the Language they use.

David,did you go to one of those ID schools, where science is fiction and the bible is fact? But they sure do talk politiely, even if the only things they say are total BS

Yo, Yo Baby:

You contribute absolutely nothing of value to this site (and probably society as well) so why don't you climb on your skateboard and get lost!!

Here's something of value, a limerick:

There once was a man they called Dubya
Who creates a great deal of trouble-ya
From deficits to war
Airhead Conservatives roar,
"Oh Georgie, we certainly do Luv-ya!"

Like they say, it is the effort that counts.

Olbermanns fake anger over troop support at BO is typical liberal hypocracy. KO has been bashng the troops for many months now, accusing them of "atrocities" etc, and convicting without due process.
I think it's fair that moderates and conservatives now can question the liberals "patriotism".After all, it's the same "convict the troops" mindset from the same list of usual suspects; KO, Murtha,Huffington, Kennedy, the goons at the DUmp, the KOsKidz, ad nuaseum.
It;s crystal clear that todays so called "progessives" are actually fascists hell-bent on the destruction of freedom and liberty.
And Keith Olbermann is one of their icons.
Sad Indeed

"If proper language is the criteria for a better person, you are a brilliant example of what your "compassionate" side of the aisle considers the worth of a person. I usually think of morals, ethics, how people treat others, not the Language they use."

You don't think language reflects morals or ethics nor constitutes personal behavior? You don't think civil courteous discourse is a kinder and gentler treatment than caustic profanity laced bombast? Mom and dad would be proud of the child they raised, eh?

"You don't think language reflects morals or ethics nor constitutes personal behavior? You don't think civil courteous discourse is a kinder and gentler treatment than caustic profanity laced bombast? Mom and dad would be proud of the child they raised, eh?"

Gee, I took a look through the site and the conservatives here are so much nicer than the liberals and their language reflects it. Calling people loon, or dopes or moonbats, or turds really demonstrates that they are serious about civil discourse.

"Like they say, it is the effort that counts"

counts as much as any limerick i have seen here.

Opie is the perfect tool for his boss, Rick Kaplan (see below). I can just see Opie and Kaplan changing a light bulb, one holding the bulb, the other turning the ladder

NBC = Nothing But Crap

http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/mediamix/2004-02-17-media-mix_x.htm

"Kaplan was fired by CNN in 2000 after CNN's parent company, Time Warner, was bought by America Online.

Under Kaplan, CNN's ratings dropped 23%. And his signature nightly newsmagazine, NewsStand, failed to draw audiences after a disastrous start: CNN apologized — and later retracted — after the premiere edition charged that the United States had used nerve gas during Vietnam"

>Yes, "Countdown" is run three times a day. But so is "The O'Reilly Factor"

And one of those shows makes alot of money for Fox. The other draws flies and psychos (just look at the comments of Olby fans above). I mean, what do you think the "purchasing power" is for "Yo Baby," "Anonymous," and "O'Reilly is weird"? I bet a more relevant question is "what is their stealing power."

Kaplan, Opie and Countdown (the days til cancelled)

Multiple choice

Do you think
A - they have any interest in the "aret and integrity" of journalism
B - they have any concept that awful show = low ratings
C - any credible (and there are one or two) NBC journlists want to be assoicated with the show
D - they can stop dreaming and obsessing - (restraining order necessary?) about O'Reilly estraining order from the obsessive one
E - have an agenda that they'll spout off night after lowest, lowly rated night, until somoene, anyone with any sense at NBC - pulls the plug on both

Kfk, get a life you racist pig.

The 'art and integrity' of journalism was mentioned in a previous mulitple choice. Ahem, but, if you're talking about the 'art and integrity' of journalism, I'm sure you're not talking about Ailes and Murdoch. Two life-long republicans, who have both been involved in republican politics, contributed money... and created the FOX News Network specifically to reflect the attitudes and ideals of the conservative party.

While there are some journalists there who care more about the job then their bosses ideologies, FNN is, by and large, without journalistic art or integrity.

EUMAN: "You don't think language reflects morals or ethics nor constitutes personal behavior?"

No! Look at the polite schmucks on this site. Most approve of O'Reilly( a proven LIAR and hate monger, think Bush is great, even though he has the morals of gutter scum and the ethics of NIXON, and almost all the Bill O lovers keep dreaming of BO physically kicking the shit out of Olberman.

So I say no, Language is not the guage of who a person is that you dream it is.

And finally, my parents are very PROUD of me. They raised an open-minded thinker instead of a close-minded believer.

KO's an idiot BUT this guy:
http://www.motherjones.com/radio/2005/08/rieckhoff_bio.html
Is indeed a HERO!
I suspect he was embarrassed with his appearance on KO's rant a thon.
Thank You Mr. Rieckhoff for your service!

And one of those shows makes alot of money for Fox. The other draws flies and psychos (just look at the comments of Olby fans above). I mean, what do you think the "purchasing power" is for "Yo Baby," "Anonymous," and "O'Reilly is weird"?

Ahh Purchasing power! the great measure of a man! Fie upon integrity I say! Fie upon compassion I say! Fie upon intelligence I say! Fie upon wisdom I say! if you want to know a man look unto his wallet size. Take the great kenneth Lay, never a more worthy man has walked the great state of Texas less he be jeffery Skilling! Sure they had no honor, no code no morals no integrity! but for a while they were the greatest of earners! Oh wretched justice how could such worthy men come to harm as these?

And the rest of you who have put no thought into the worth of a man I say Fie upon you! KFK the philospher has uncovered the truth for your eyes. woe to he that turns away! Teach not your children the joys of service! teach not your children to do what one loves! No KFK is right i say! the only measure of a man is net worth!

O'Reily is weird says:

"And finally, my parents are very PROUD of me. They raised an open-minded thinker instead of a close-minded believer."

You are probabaly still living in their basement after you get home at night from your day job working on Kooky's Keith staff.

Olberman Hates The Troops: Another polite IDIOT! Please keep the examples coming!

So far, I have no purchasing power and live in my parents basement.
Prey tell, all close- minded believers, please tell me more of who I am that brings such fear to your hearts that you sit on every day?

Joe,

How am I a "racist pig"? Please elaborate. I know you are not just throwing out a slanderous lie. After all, Olbermann fans NEVER make stuff up and attack others!

Why is race brought up by the Olbyites so often when it has nothing to do with our discussions? I expect this nonsense from the lefties. Just look at drunkard lefty hero Patsy Kennedy:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/424089p-357769c.html

"Treat me like I'm black, sez Teddy's son"

BY MICHAEL McAULIFF and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

"Fresh from rehab, Rep. Patrick Kennedy said yesterday he wants to be treated like an African-American from Washington if and when he gets charged for crashing his car on Capitol Hill."

Now, I may be naive, but WTF is that duggie loser blathering about? Why should race be a part of this sordid pathetic tale? Only the liberal geniuses like good ole Joe can tell us.

duh.

It's obvious from the quote he was being a typical politician and claiming he wants to accept responsibility despite his position of privilege. He's saying the average person in DC isn't a privileged politician.

anon beautifully eviscerated that inane purchasing power comment. kudos.

"patsy" kennedy was never anyone's hero. ever.

OK! So he wants to take responsibility. Now explain how the whole race thing comes in. Get beyond liberalthink my dopey pal. Where does the leap to race occur? Why does it occur? Is it not possible to claim responsibility for ones actions without blaming substances and bandying about race? Not if you are a liberal Democrat. See he tawdry details of the C. McKinney scandal if you don't believe me.

As for my purchasing power comment, it is funny . . . because it's true!

>

Maybe anon could clue sponsors, advertising executives, network honchos, and Olbermann, himself (who berates O'Reilly over the demographics of his audience...),into his moving ..but utterly irrelevant to the subject matter...treatise on what constitutes personal worth...

Speaking of inanities...

Hey Cecelia:

It's really nice to hear from you again. It wasn't too long ago that I was enjoying your frequent postings that were sharp, witty, and right on. Will you wite more often?

Hey Cecelia:

It's really nice to hear from you again. It wasn't too long ago that I was enjoying your frequent postings that were sharp, witty, and right on. Will you write more often?

C --

You really should write more often. I was wondering whether Olbyites had kidnapped and "converted" you.

"WTF is that duggie loser blathering about?"

Easy on the personal attacks. Both sides have had addiction problems...

Rush Limbaugh - oxycontin
President Bush - alcohol and cocaine
The late Chief Justice Rhenquist - Placidyl

These are just off the top of my head. I'm not about to start ripping into people as 'druggies' or 'drunks'... you shouldnt either. Addiction doesn't recognize political parties.

Sorry pal! Rush was a druggie, and so is Patsy Kennedy.

As for your slander of Bush, that is a typical lib ploy. No evidence except a crappy book of nonsense by Krazy Kitty Kelly.

I am not the kind who thinks drug use is a "disease." It is a choice for which there are consequences. Limbaugh is correct about alot of things, but that doesn't make him infallible. He F'ed up big time.

Patsy is a race baiter and a >3x druggie loser. He should not have a driver license, much less a seat in congress. Congrats to Rhode Islanders!

"No evidence except..."

I like that you admit there's evidence... and then just dismiss it because you don't like it. But, you DID call it EVIDENCE. Glad you agree.

And I never called addiction a disease. I simply said addiction was a problem that can be had by anyone. Putting poison in your body is a choice. But, it can be a powerful habit to overcome.

James,

I know that you are a drunk and a druggie. There! We now have as much "evidence" as Kitty Kelly provided in her book of fantasy.

If you can't see that ADMITTING you are a drunk or druggie is different from a crazy woman slandering you in a crappy book, you are as bad as Olby (but we already knew that).

I don't want people who say they "can't remember driving that night" representing me in the House where they inevitably "won't remember voting." Is that not clear enough for you?

I wrote the last post

yes, well, we all wish you WOULD write the last post, you intellectually lobotomized half-wit.

You cannot see the mountain near.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Maybe anon could clue sponsors, advertising executives, network honchos, and Olbermann, himself (who berates O'Reilly over the demographics of his audience...),into his moving ..but utterly irrelevant to the subject matter...treatise on what constitutes personal worth."

I think the only one who may need a clue is you my dear. Re-read the post, think about the subject matter awhile, and try again.

"I wrote the last post."

I'm happy for you. Why you would want to claim credit for that drivel is beyond me... but, cheers to you.

If Kitty's statement's are so innacurate and such obvious lies... why hasn't President Bush, a member of his family, or the White House, or SOMEBODY sued for libel? Hmmm?

>yes, well, we all wish you WOULD write the last post, you intellectually lobotomized half-wit.

Well, the end may be nearer than you think. Kaplan is gone, and KO may be going next. I will gladly write the last post then.

>If Kitty's statement's are so innacurate and such obvious lies... why hasn't President Bush, a member of his family, or the White House, or SOMEBODY sued for libel? Hmmm?

Gee. . .hmmm. . .maybe because he is THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! There are hundreds of books about the Bush family and the two Bush Presidents out there, and many of them are complete BS. If the Prez wasted time suing these people, he would look like a compete ass. How often do celebrities sue the gossip rags? They are filled with lies, yet these people don't sue. I guess you would say all of that trash is true?

Nice try James. Unfortunately, you type too fast for your brain.

Thanks, gentlemen.

I enjoy reading you all too.

You know... it just hit me. Reading KfK's latest personal attack.

The regular conservatives on this site take delight in the liberal posters... saying they get 'all riled up.' That's true to an extent.

But, let's look a littel further. KfK, you wouldn't spend your time tearing Keith's show apart if didn't get you 'all riled up.' Honestly, if nothing he said bothered you, you wouldn't bother being on here. Neither would any of the conservative regulars.

Now, what are you 'all riled up' about over Keith? Well, he's criticizing the president. You claim he's tearing him down. But, that's really all you're doing to Keith and his show... tearing him down (and liberal thought as a whole).

Which is something I try not to do (a general, encompassing slam on conservatism, that is). My critiques are never personal attacks, but personal to individuals posts or ideas as not to uniformally condemn the conservative school of thought. But, many on here (conservatives and liberal posters alike) don't do that.

You tear into the entire liberal ideology... because you believe Keith tears into the entire conservative ideology. You think he's scum. That's your opinion. But, you're no bigger than the scum you claim to rail against. The things you chastise him for doing, you do to him yourself.

You hold yourself up to this elitist position. You want to crush this worm you call Olbermann. But, you have to crawl in the mud to do it.

There is no room for intelligent dialogue on this site, because those who run it refuse to allow it. Reasonable discorse can't happen because the original posts are nothing but attacks covering COUNTDOWN. So, of course those attacks are going to prompt those who like the show to go on the defensive. Then, when they do, you accuse them of not being able to contribute to productive conversation.

The ones who do this are hypocrites of the highest order. Both liberals and conservatives.

James,

Keith bothers me because he calls himself a news man while spouting opinion and making things up. Ask Mr. Dollar and Mr. Cox and I would bet they would give similar (though more eloquent) answers. Forget about who is currently in office or what the hot topics are -- that is not the point.

Thats the hole point. I don't want to listen to a news man/woman (little love for the ladies) who basically regurgitates the talking points of any dems or republicans. The press should keep us informed not inform us what to think. We can do that for ourselves. Mix your news sources up a little. Watch a little Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Headline news, etc. Heck maybe throw in a newspaper or even a book every now and then. Thats "Fair and Balanced".

I get it -- you want to be lied to. You want fictional news. It is quite obvious. That is your right, but the unsuspecting senior citizen or mentally challenged person who tunes in might not realize keith's show is fictional. That is a problem.

In his defense of Orange Boy, DannyBoy writes:

"Thats the hole [sic] point. I don't want to listen to a news man/woman (little love for the ladies) who basically regurgitates the talking points of any dems or republicans."

Get a clue! Regurgitation is the entire modus operandi of Meltdown. There is nary a segment of Meltdown that is not lifted directly off that day's leftwing fringe blogs or is some rehash of a story already presented earlier on the mothership network.

O'Reilly is not? Hey I'm just saying you shouldn't get all your news from the same source. kfk gets his news from Dollar. Just mix up your news source. Don't blindly follow anyone who can talk about someone.

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