That's because conservatives are a--holes. Go Keith!

Abe,

Are you a middle aged hippy loser? Something about the name "Abe" tells me so.

Anon,

That's the kind of logic that makes perfect sens around here.

Also, I'd like to apologize for calling all conservatives a--holes. This was hyperbole and I'd like to extend my apologies to all the non-a--holes. Darren in Indiana, I'm talkin' to you buddy!

OK, but who were the 23 liberals he named?

Actually this is great. I went round and round with j$ a few weeks ago about whether Mr. Bill Is a conservative talking head. J$ denied it, said there was no proof of it. I'm glad to see we can all finally agree on that fact.

thanks Robert!

Bill O'Reilly - 42
Rush Limbaugh - 11
Ann Coulter - 9
Brit Hume - 4
Neal Boortz - 3
Glenn Beck - 3
The New York Post - 2
Michelle Malkin - 2

NOTE: Saddam Hussein - 2

With no surprise to clear-thinking OlbyWatch visitors ... conservatives are worse than liberals at more than a 9 to 1 ratio.

CONSERVATIVES

Election Fraud
Exaggerated Intel
Gay Marriage Amendement
Regime Change
NoBid Contracts
Jack Abramoff
Clear Skies Act
Katrina FEMA
Terry Schiavo
War Profiteering
Crony Appointments
9/11
Soc Security Privatization
Rendition
Duke Cunningham
Illegal Wiretaps
Jeff Gannon
Global Warming
Secret Prisons
Energy Task Force
Deficit Spending
Clean Water Act
David Safavian
NoChild Left Behind
Stem Cell Research
Data Minning
Gerrymandering
Torture

LIBERALS

OvalOffice BlowJobs
Flip Flopping

JT, could you link, or it least tell the date, when J$ said BO wasn't conservative?

"JT, could you link, or it least tell the date, when J$ said BO wasn't conservative?"

I'm afraid you will have to look that up yourself, it was probaby 4-6 weeks ago. I don't have time to look right now. Assuming the archives keep all the posts it shouldn't be too hard to find.

"JT, could you link, or it least tell the date, when J$ said BO wasn't conservative?"

I'm afraid you will have to look that up yourself, it was probaby 4-6 weeks ago. I don't have time to look right now. Assuming the archives keep all the posts it shouldn't be too hard to find.

J$ confines his writings to fact-based arguments on which he has first-hand knowledge like how the legal system works.

yeah, right.

I went round and round with j$ a few weeks ago about whether Mr. Bill Is a conservative talking head

that figures.

> I went round and round with j$ a few weeks ago about whether Mr. Bill Is a conservative talking head. J$ denied it, said there was no proof of it. I'm glad to see we can all finally agree on that fact.

Now if JT is accepting the MRC as gospel, that is definitely a step forward in his reasoning process. But I'm with Scott on this one. Why don't you direct us to the discussion where I "denied it and said there was no proof of it"? It's so fresh in your mind you should have no trouble finding it.

What`s with all the talk about searching the site archives? Why don`t you merely state your position now. J$, do you think O`Reilly is a conservative or not? What`s so difficult about that?

Abe wrote:

>That's the kind of logic that makes perfect sens around here.

Thank you. Now answer the question. Is my hunch correct? Are you a middle-aged hippy? Be honest.

Where do stupid criminals fit under that list?

And I thought Bill O'Reilly wasn't conservative.

You have a point Nonfactor!

Criminals are liberals of course! What do you think they want -- tougher anti-crime legislation and the death penalty, or legal aid and the chance to kill again? Why do you think the Democrats want to let felons vote?

Good point Non!

Sometimes following Republican logic is a little like watching a ferret that just got into a meth stash. You're watchin' that twitchy fucker spin all over the place, and you wish that it'd just die already and get it over with instead of breaking all the glass in the apartment and bleeding and shitting everywhere.

Conservatives to liberals at a 9 to 1 ratio...

Funny because that is the exact ratio of O'Reilly viewers to his worthless show.

Kieth is as delusional as his audience, that's why they find comfort in him.

"little like watching a ferret that just got into"- stop right there buddy, Richard Gere is pitching a tent. I guess if that stuff is on your mind though...

Won't even touch your 'meth' habit.

"If you arrest seven crazed losers in their self-storage warehouse..." once again, sounds like someone speaking from experience, even got that funny jive speak.

"What`s with all the talk about searching the site archives? Why don`t you merely state your position now. J$, do you think O`Reilly is a conservative or not? What`s so difficult about that?"

That's a good question. instead of looking I think i will just ask. Say there Johnny Dollar, do you believe Bill O'Reilly is a conservative talking head or would you say he is impartial?

"What`s with all the talk about searching the site archives? Why don`t you merely state your position now. J$, do you think O`Reilly is a conservative or not? What`s so difficult about that?"

That's a good question. instead of looking I think i will just ask. Say there Johnny Dollar, do you believe Bill O'Reilly is a conservative talking head or would you say he is impartial?

Johnny Dollar,

Don't waste time on these questions about whether you called O'Reilly a conservative or not. I have a real emergency - I can't see the video on your site of Brian Kilmeade w/Carl Levin, nor of F&F re: CNN. My IE keeps booting me out once I click on "Active X". It could certainly be my computer, but could you check anyway? Thanks!

It dosen't take long. All Johnny has to say is one of the following:

1) I think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.
2) I don't think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.

This is not hard, or time consuming even for Johnny Dollar.

It dosen't take long. All Johnny has to say is one of the following:

1) I think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.
2) I don't think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.

This is not hard, or time consuming even for Johnny Dollar.

After going 2-for-2 with my predictions as to KO's historical references or analogies (first Orwell, then Nixon), I'll engage in a different exercise.

Instead of predicting what over-the-top and wretched-from-any-perspectice analogies Olbermann will use tonight to slander the Bush White House, I'll say what historical events he won't use.

He won't bring up Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus or his arrest of newspaper editors; he won't bring up Woodrow Wilson's mass arrest during the Red Scare of the 1920s; he won't bring up FDR's internment of Japanese-Americans or his censoring of the press; and he won't bring up dozens of more egregious actions by previous administrations during times of crises.

Because had Olbermann mentioned those far more serious executive actions by previous presidents during war, it would show how insignificant the Bush Administration's wartime actions actually are.

And even more damaging to Olbermann, it would show how really shallow his knowledge of history and his understanding of current events in that larger historical context.

SMG

> What`s with all the talk about searching the site archives? Why don`t you merely state your position now.

Why? Because my position is already on the record, and I'm much more interested in people who are saying things about me, than I am in restating something I've already said about somebody else. People love to come here and throw accusations around like confetti at a parade. And when they are asked to back it up, all of a sudden the subject changes.

So JT, this was your doing, and I see now you are avoiding the question yourself. So don't expect me to bail you out. Either you told the truth about what I supposedly said, or you didn't. Which is it? And if it's the former, point it out. Don't expect me to go off on a side track about how I categorize Bill O'Reilly (basically an irrelevancy) until you resolve your attack on me, one way or another.

"Why don't you direct us to the discussion where I "denied it and said there was no proof of it"?

I shouldn't say you outright denied it. Just any time I, or anyone, as far as I could tell, asserted Mr Bill was a conservative you would defend Bill as being unbiased and would never acknolwedge the fact that he was a conservative.
Here are some examples.

>>I'm not interested in your quotes from Mr Bill, >>who every night has people on his program who >>represent all points of view, from left to >>right. This site is about Krazy Keith, who goes >>out of his way to prevent people from coming on >>who don't agree with him.

>>And I will argue that Olby has a very obvious >>liberal bias. The difference is Bill let's the >>other points of view be heard. Olby doesn't. >>Q.E.D.

>> There are more liberals on O'Reilly in one >>week than there are conservatives on Olby in >>one year

I seem to remember you breaking down all of Bill's guest in one of your post to demonstrate that there was no conservative bias on his part. It seemd you were pretty determined to refute any evidence that might indicate Bill was a conservative. but perhaps your motivation was different.

But anyway instead of arguing about this lets just simplify. Do you beleive Bill has a conservative Bias? yes or no?

It dosen't take long. All Johnny has to say is one of the following:

1) I think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.
2) I don't think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative.

This is not hard, or time consuming even for Johnny Dollar.

Johnny Dollar, who is a former prosecuting attorney by the way, is methodically consulting his law books in order to give you a seasoned response, because he was a licensed, practicing attorney for twenty-some odd years and because he confines his writings to fact-based arguments on which he has first-hand knowledge ... like how the legal system works ... because he is an attorney of law who practiced for twenty-some odd years ... . So you know HE KNOWS the law, especially when HE tells you HE KNOWS the law. Did I also mention that he was a prosecuting attorney for twenty-some odd years?

oops mispost. This is changes a few things.

Why don't you direct us to the discussion where I "denied it and said there was no proof of it"?

I shouldn't say you outright denied it. Just any time I, or anyone, as far as I could tell, asserted Mr Bill was a conservative you would defend Bill as being unbiased and would never acknolwedge the fact that he was a conservative.
Here are some examples.

>>I'm not interested in your quotes from Mr Bill, >>who every night has people on his program who >>represent all points of view, from left to >>right. This site is about Krazy Keith, who goes >>out of his way to prevent people from coming on >>who don't agree with him.

>>And I will argue that Olby has a very obvious >>liberal bias. The difference is Bill let's the >>other points of view be heard. Olby doesn't. >>Q.E.D.

>> There are more liberals on O'Reilly in one >>week than there are conservatives on Olby in >>one year

I seem to remember you breaking down all of Bill's guest in one of your post to demonstrate that there was no conservative bias on his part. It seemd you were pretty determined to refute any evidence that might indicate Bill was a conservative. but perhaps your motivation was different.

But anyway instead of arguing about this lets just simplify. Do you beleive Bill is a conservative?

The list looks about right to me. I think the most recent lib was Patrick Kennedy. Ya gotta admit that the top ten have a penchant for saying the most inflammatory things they can think of.

Here is claim from upthread, JT:

JT: I went round and round with j$ a few weeks ago about whether Mr. Bill Is a conservative talking head. J$ denied it, said there was no proof of it.

OK, I'm still waiting for you to point out where I denied O'Reilly is a "conservative talking head" and said "there was no proof of it". You have cited what I said about his guests, which doesn't address your claim at all.

And you have also cited one of my other comments. When you claimed Bill O'Reilly had an obvious conservative bias, I replied:

J$: And I will argue that Olby has a very obvious liberal bias. The difference is Bill let's the other points of view be heard.

I ask again: please document where I stated what you claim I stated.

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Check out the graphs. http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/06/27/june-numbers-countdown/#more-2458

Wow! It is startling your ability to not answer a question. Just so you can avoid it for a few more posts, I will ask again. Do you beieve that Bill O'Reily is a conservative?

"OK, I'm still waiting for you to point out where I denied O'Reilly is a "conservative talking head" and said "there was no proof of it". You have cited what I said about his guests, which doesn't address your claim at all."

I addressed this in the post above yours. to be nice I'll save you the trouble of scrolling up by pasting it here.

>>I shouldn't say you outright denied it. Just >>any time I, or anyone, as far as I could tell, >>asserted Mr Bill was a conservative you would >>defend Bill as being unbiased and would never >>acknolwedge the fact that he was a > conservative.

So I will ask again - so you can avoid it again. Do you believe Bill O'Reilly is a conservative talking head? Your not afraid to answer this question are you?

All right, so you admit I never denied anything. Now let's get to your latest attack:

Anon (JT?): you would defend Bill as being unbiased

Really? It seems to me I said the exact opposite. When you said he has a conservative bias, I replied that Olby has a liberal bias, but Bill allows all points of view on his show.

Now where did I ever say O'Reilly himself was "unbiased"? That would be a ridiculous assertion in any case, since an editorialist or commentator is by definition someone who comes with an opinion, and therefore a bias. What I said was that his PROGRAM, unlike Olby's Hour of Spin, allows diverse points of view to be expressed. That makes his program FAR MORE UNBIASED than The Hour of Spin could ever be on its best day.

What I said was that his PROGRAM, unlike Olby's Hour of Spin, allows diverse points of view to be expressed.

Whil Bloviating Bill isn't cutting mikes or telling people to shut up, that is...

Conservatives:

Strength
Independence
Rush Limbaugh
Mike Savage
J$
Robert Cox
Scooter
Anti Abortion
Better with Money
Mel Gibson
Jesus Christ
No More Saddam
Gun Ownership Rights
Ann Coulter
Sean Hannity
Capitalism(yeah)
Anti UN
Areas that dealt with Katrina like they had some sense. (Strength, Intelligence, Independence)
Rendition
Terry Schiavo
Soc. Sec. Privitization
Ideas
Gay Marriage Amendment
Hard Work
GWB...Power
Senate
House
Sense
Fossil Fuels
SUVs
Country Music
Most of the weapons and ammo.
Insurance
good school's
desirable neighborhoods
Low crime rates.
Children
Talk Radio
Blogs that dont ban dissenters(freedom of speech)
Etc. you get the point.....didnt think so....nonetheless true.

> Whil Bloviating Bill isn't cutting mikes or telling people to shut up, that is...

Are we going to hear this slop every week? Take any show in the past four weeks and point out where any liberal or disagreeing guest was either told to shut up or had his mike cut off. I'll make it easier for you. Choose from the past four months.

Conservatives:

Pro-Discrimination (whether race, gender or sexual orientation)
No "Living Wage"
Jingoism
Intimidation
"pre-emptive" war
"first strike"
Abandon global treaties
Private Schools
"Faith-based" (read: Christian) initative
"Legacy" Students
Government in your bedroom

Liberals:
Detroit,Pittsburgh,Philly,NY,LA,Cleveland, all the Big Nasty city's.
High crime areas
MichaelMoore,Cindy,Sheehan,Dukakis,Mondale,Kerry,
Shrillary,Pinch, Al Gore...etc
Oppresion
Segregationists-Fullbright,Gore Senior,Bob Byrd
The only Klansman in senate-Bob Byrd
Failure
Blood of abortion on hands
Creation of permanent underclass
Most welfare recipients
High out of wedlock birth rate.
Flip Flopping(known as pandering for votes)
Moral relativism
Che,Castro,Carter,Chavez,Tookie,Sean Penn, Janeane etc.
Boston,Baltimore, shit holes
New Orleans style corruption and dependence.
Gov't cheese
Ward Churchill, KO, KOS, DU, Air America
Envy
Gun Control(oopps)
Education system(ouch huge slide under liberals)
Cut and run, Cut and jog.
Lots More....You don't give Liberals the credit they've earned.

Government in your bedroom not mine I would shoot them. Sounds boring. But if it gives you something to brag about, whatever. Race discrimination please give facts.No living wage. Thats consevatives fault? You communist. What should the minimum wage be?Answers. Intimidation some proof maybe? If your easily intimidated it may be cowardice(just saying). Private schools YES YES. Jingoism(patriotism)YES YES.Christian iniciative.YES YES. Hey where is the nearest Atheist Memorial Hospital or Agnostic General or Islam Health Center.Owned. Abandon global treaties YES YES. First strike YES YES. PRE-emptive(like Kosovo)YES YES...Why wait for the attack dingbat LMAO.

See how addressed what you said rather than just making up things. Try it. Dispute my list. Couldn't if you wanted to.

oops didn't type my name in. Anon(JT?) is me. The other guy is not. Sorry for the confusion.

"Anon (JT?): you would defend Bill as being unbiased"

Me? Hell no, I think he is a conservative talking head. Just so you know I wouldn't defend Krith as being unbiased either. I think he is a liberal talking head. Both seem to claim they are unbiased.

"Really? It seems to me I said the exact opposite. When you said he has a conservative bias, I replied that Olby has a liberal bias, but Bill allows all points of view on his show."

Well, you never acknowledged Bill's bias, but instead pointed out one area that Bill is better
about, which is allowing an opposing guest on. I have no problem admitting that Bill will allow an opposing viewpoint. Sometimes he starts making up facts when he has these guest, on but he does allow them a forum to speak on his show.

"Now where did I ever say O'Reilly himself was "unbiased"? That would be a ridiculous assertion in any case, since an editorialist or commentator is by definition someone who comes with an opinion, and therefore a bias. What I said was that his PROGRAM, unlike Olby's Hour of Spin, allows diverse points of view to be expressed. That makes his program FAR MORE UNBIASED than The Hour of Spin could ever be on its best day."

Bill spins just as much as Olbermann, gets his facts wrong pretty damn often and flat out lies as well. He does however, have opposing viewpoints on. Does that make any of the previous behavior any less deplorable? I am not excusing Olberermann by pointing this out. I am addressing the media as a whole. I see nothing wrong with denouncing Olbermann's behavior when is out of line, I just think you would look far less like a Republican progandist if you would denounce a Right wing talking head for the same behavior as Keith's.

instead of denouncing Bill O'Reilly for deplorable behavior, however, you defend him by pointing out any area you can find where there is no bias. Then point out an instance where Keith's behavior is bad. By doing this you look like you are fine and dandy when a conservative talking head uses questionable media practices to sway an audience; but are damn outraged when a liberal one does it. Why not just attack the behavior whenever you see it? I'm not asking you to cover OReilly as well, but when when bias is pointed out why not denounce it? instead of saying 'Well that's not as bad as Keith"

Nastiness aside for a change, Do you think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative? I am not asking you to agree with any other point I just want to see what you beleive here.

Scooter,

Why should we try to dispute the deranged list of a deranged poster? WHy don't you phone Mike Savage about nuking the homo-islamo-pinko-lesbio-liberalo-tocracy-o?

scooter said:

"Good School's"

Oh, man I laughed. That would be chapter 15 in your grammar book.

You've heard people say they moved to be in a better school district. Well they meant where people are conservative.DUH. You know so they wouldn't have to worry about their 6 yr old getting condoms and abortion advice.

Better with Money
Mel Gibson
Jesus Christ

Who is obviously the most kind loving forgiving understanding nuanced far left pascifist progressive liberal open minded tolerant long hair hippie looking sandal wearin` hummus eatin` vegetarian card carrying member of the ACLU you could possibly ever imagine. Jesus is a Democrat -- In your heart, you know it`s true.

Or did you think they meant Inter-city Public Slaughterhouse H.S. 222 when they said that. You know the ones nobody wants to teach in and nobody wants to learn in. Your appear a product of such school you should know what i mean. Sorry i could speak slower but it doesn't help when typing.

Or did you think they meant Inter-city Public Slaughterhouse H.S. 222 when they said that. You know the ones nobody wants to teach in and nobody wants to learn in. Your appear a product of such school you should know what i mean. Sorry i could speak slower but it doesn't help when typing.

I'll see your Jesus Christ and raise you a Barry Goldwater. Jesus was aliberal not a democrat. Just as the list was conservative vs liberal. Is that the best you got?

Savage says it's a Go. He says to tell Abe quit calling his show and for Abe to stay out of bathouses. He said you'd know what he meant.

An obscene crazed maniac wrote:

>"Sometimes following Republican logic is a little like watching a ferret that just got into a meth stash. You're watchin' that twitchy fucker spin all over the place, and you wish that it'd just die already and get it over with instead of breaking all the glass in the apartment and bleeding and shitting everywhere."

WTF? That is some bizarre stuff. Reading this makes me think that you witnessed this first-hand. I would not doubt that you abuse meth. How you let your ferret eat it is beyond me. As for the rest of your drivel, it looks like it is a direct result of meth use.

Anyway, if you have any more sick stories you want to get off your chest in a public forum, feel free to spew them. Perhaps you have a story about a bleeding prostitute or a heroin overdose?

I didn't know Jesus supported NAMBLA.

Liberal

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

-------------------------------------------------

Jesus is, in fact, a liberal. Everything he taught broke with Roman tradition. He taught tolerance - not bigotry.

His teachings were all about reform. Both that of the human soul, and of God's instructions for mankind. New ideas, progress... and espeically tolerance. These were all the teachings of Christ.

So, the next time Republicans claim to have Jesus in their corner... just remember... Jesus isn't a democrat OR a republican. He transcends both in ways we can't comprehend.

But, make no mistake about it. Jesus IS liberal.

(Your NAMBLA reference is childish)

Bradz claimed that Jesus was a card carrying member of the aclu (or at least would be). I simply pointed out how ridiculous that was with one simple statement.

Jesus was certainly liberal. There is no debating that. The problem is that the lefties have looked down and sneered at those who believe in Christianity for so long now that there was no place for these people to go. So they came to my side. The libertarian\conservative side. I am an atheist, but have no issue whatsoever with Christians so long as they don't preach to me. Tradition is good; so what if it involves saying "under God".

Jesus was certainly tolerant and I would venture a guess that he would be quite upset with those who profess liberalism and tolerance, but call those who disagree with them racists and bigots.

It is possible to be against entitlements and affirmative action and not be a bigot you know.

His show is a platform for hate
His guests won't engage in debate
He's spiteful and mean
His email's obscene
GE should send him home in a crate

"But, make no mistake about it. Jesus IS liberal."

'Scuse me? Applying a political label to Jesus Christ?

But if you're going to go to the heart of the matter, let's look at what Jesus said about the fundamental point regarding salvation. In John 14:6, Jesus says "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

VERY conservative position. Only ONE way. With liberalism, it comes out to several ways.

Jesus didn't tolerate sin. Today's liberal extremists do.

Jesus was tolerant of others and loved others. For liberals to claim conservatives do not is arrogant, spiteful and erroneous.

Claiming Jesus is liberal in light of todays liberalism is patently absurd and shows a marked ignorance of Jesus' teachings and the Bible in its totality.

"Jesus is, in fact, a liberal."

The argument is pointless. Applying modern political labels to someone whom may have lived 2,000 years ago is a waste of thought.

If you want to argue in terms of dictionary definitions, "conservatives" can be said to be liberal in that sense also. "Conservatives" for instance believe in school vouchers. Given the method used to administer public primary and secondary schools today, that is a reformist position. It is also broad-minded, since many conservatives do not believe in shuttering public schools directly but allowing them to compete for the vouchers. Therefore, we can also dispense with applying dictionary definitions to modern American political movements also.

In fact, original liberals would equate more closely to libertarians today than "modern" liberals. They believed in free markets, for instance. Something that "modern" liberals do not.

"Everything he taught broke with Roman tradition."

I think you mean Jewish tradition. His oppressors were the Sadducees and other Hebrews. And, he claimed to be the messiah discussed in the Jewish Old Testament. Pilate executed the sentence of the Jews--which you obviously don't recall or never learned in your "publick skool"--even offering to set Jesus free. In part, the claims of Catholic anti-semitism result from their anger at his condemnation by Jews. Perhaps, you should become a liberal and support school vouchers so that your children can "learn good"--as opposed your obvious lack of education.