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UPDATE/CAUTION: This post contains comments which purport to be one of the two email exchanges which were the basis for the Lloyd Grove column linked below. The language contained in the unexpurgated exchange is extremely crude so be forewarned that those who are offended by vulgar language should not read the comments section of this post:
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Brian Stelter, known for removing posts to TVNewser that Keith finds objectionable, has rushed to defend his liberal heartthrob once again, this time impunging the integrity of Lloyd Grove for publishing "reader emails" and "gossip".
Wait?
Isn't that the entire premise of the TVNewser site?
Relying on that old standby, making your point by quoting those who have made your point for you, Brian expresses the following sentiment:
> An e-mailer says: "Let me get this right: Two people keep emailing Keith Olbermann in order to harass him, and then send his equally insulting responses back to Lloyd Grove. And Grove will not reveal the antagonists' names?!?! Way to be balanced."
Apparently, it's OK for TVN's "e-mailer" to remain anonymous while demanding that Grove's "e-mailer" be disclosed. Don't try to follow the logic of this latest TVN post because there is none.
As for the latest installment of Grove v. Olbermann...
We've been hearing about these emails for a few days now and they certainly don't reflect well on Olbermann. Apparently he used the "f-word" a few times. Tsk Tsk.
Here are highlights provided by Grove:
"Given how far you are from knowing your a- from your elbow about my industry, you couldn't be stupider, wronger, or dumber..."
"Go - your mother."
"You 'Americans' still watching that evil f- O'Reilly?"
I'm not sure what the basis is for TVN's "e-mailer" to claim that the intent of the e-mailers were to "harrass" Keith or that the emails were "equally insulting". Have these emails been published somewhere? Or is "e-mailer" actually a literary device that allows Brian to get Keith's message out?
Regardless of Keith's rationale, you really have to question KO's judgement here. Anyone with half a Brian brain knows that anything you put into an email may end up being public. More so if you are a public figure, responding to people who you don't know, clearly don't like you and have an agenda. I can assure you that KO is hugely steamed about this but instead of lashing out he ought to look in the mirror. Message to Keith: "Why pass out ammuniton to your enemies?"
Based on my own experience with Olbermann, I woud not be surprised if he has been seeking legal advice. He already learned from the infamous Sileo emails that his emails are not "copyrighted" just because he says so (you can copyright an email if you want but "no one" ever does).
Olbermann wasn't harassed. He responded all the time, right out of the gutter. And he's full of it when he mentions religion and ethnicity. I only pimpslapped him about his wacko politics.
Joe,
Unless KO is claiming that he has actually copyrighted those emails, you are more than welcome to share your email exchange with KO right here in the comments. I'm sure OlbyWatch readers would be more that interested to read the unexpurgated version of the exchange.
> Anyone with half a brain knows that anything you put into an email may end up being public.
And all you need is a quarter of a brain to know you don't send out embarrassing emails from an msnbc email account! What a maroon.
Joe,
Please share!
Enjoy:
From: Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)
[mailto:Keith.Olbermann@msnbc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:03 AM
To:
Subject: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
You "Americans" still watching that evil fuck O'Reilly? The guy who
claimed the US victms of the SS at Malmedy in WWII were actually the War
Criminals? And that the Nazis were the victims?
And how stupid are you? Kaplan and I detested each other.
And as to Zarqawi, if you really are that psychotic that you think he's
anybody's "idol", you obviously have your head as well as your dick
stuck up each other's asses.
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From: Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)
[mailto:Keith.Olbermann@msnbc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:31 AM
To:
Subject: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
Jesus, given how far you are from knowing your ass from your elbow about
my industry, you couldn't be stupider, wronger, or dumber, if you were
Ann Coulter's cunt.
By the way, with my new contract I could buy and sell you. Then again, I
could probably have done that when I made $8500 a year in 1979.
Wait. There's more:
-----Original Message-----
> From:
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM
> To: Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)
> Cc:
> Subject: Olbermann hero is dead
>
>
> Wow, what a comeback.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)"
>
> Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:00 pm
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
>
> > Go fuck your mother.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:54 AM
> > To: Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, we enjoy laughing at you.
> >
> > So, are you attending the Zarqawi memorial?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)"
> > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2006 11:53 am
> > Subject: RE: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
> >
> > > "Death of you hero" ?? -- new to our country, Slappy?
> > >
> > > I'm sure Rush waits for your email with baited breath. Does he
> > send
> > > yousecret "hellos" only you can understand?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
[mailto:
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:50 AM
> > > To: oreilly@foxnews.com; rush@eibnet.com; Rudge, d
> > > Cc: Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC);
> > > Subject: Fwd: RE: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I see you're saddened by the death of you hero.
> > >
> > >
> >
Sorry, didn't fill in the name on the last one.
BTW, I've corresponded with him for at least a couple of years. It's not as if I harassed him until he finally cracked. He always responded, and in condescending, arrogant fashion the whole time.
His non-apology is duplicity of the highest order. I have no idea what his enthnicty or religion is, nor do I care. It's his politics I dislike.
I'd never suggest someone kill themselves, but I do suggest he get help.
How do we know these exchanges are real?
I just find it hard to believe that Olbermann would talk in such a shocking manner.
I don't have any friends or family members who talk like that and I find it hard to believe that a MSNBC news anchor would respond to critics this way, even when said anchor is an utter jerk.
Again-- how do we know these are real?
KO said no more in his emails than what regular posters indulge in at this site nearly every day. The only difference being that Mr. Olbermann had the nerve to use his real name, and as far as I can tell, the only person here who does that regularly is Mr. Cox.
Nevertheless, the embarassing KO email replies should never have been sent, which was duly stated in his apology: `It goes without saying that I should not have replied to these abusive and hateful E-mails`.
And when you compare Keith`s email mistakes -- and ready apology -- to the ILLEGALITIES of Bill O`Reilly`s sexual harrasment, Rush Limbaugh`s drug hoarding, and Ann Coulter`s literary plagarism -- and their abject denials of each -- Mr. Olbermann`s comes out way ahead in most people`s opinion. But ya`ll have a good time anyway indulging in your giddy speculation concerning the potential demise of your website`s namesake.
Lighten up, Francis.
Cecelia: Why whould he "apologize" if they weren't real?
Francis,
Oh we will! :D
I'd tell you to have a good time with irrationally defending what Olbermann doesn't even defend....but I'm sure that must be impossible...
what`s irrational about it?
Joe,
I don't doubt that with his usual monumental bad judgement, Olbermann wrote some embarrassing emails.
What I'd like to be sure about is that the email copies I'm reading are authentic.
I agree, the e-mails aren't necessary, but it isn't as big of a "scandal" as people here seem to want to make it.
Some far right-winger accused KO of idolizing Zarqawi and he got mad.
And I agree with Francis, how is this any worse than saying that you want to loofah up some interns vagina in phone conversations?
Cecelia:
I'm bringing Mary Mapes and Dan Rather in to authenticate them for you.
Excuse me, but I take umbrage at being labeled a far right-winger.
It's an ultra right-winger, if you don't mind.
Francis,
Not that this will have one iota of meaning to you--- but for starters, that Olbermann "comes out way ahead in most people`s opinion" is utterly your opinion and a specious observation to boot.
`Excuse me, but I take umbrage at being labeled a far right-winger.
It`s an ultra right-winger, if you don`t mind.`
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would say the same thing.
Joe writes, "I'm bringing Mary Mapes and Dan Rather in to authenticate them for you."
You aren't exactly inspiring trust here...
Cecelia: Listen closely. It. Was. A. Joke.
I must admit that I am shocked to read this exchange. It appears to me that Grove did Olbermann a FAVOR in what he chose to leave out of his column. Yikes!
that Olbermann `comes out way ahead in most people`s opinion` is utterly your opinion and a specious observation to boot.
opinion, sure. specious, not at all. but hardly irrational, as you previously stated.
given that most people now disapprove of bush and the war in iraq, it`s a fairly safe -- and rational -- conclusion that most people would favor Keith over Bill, Rush, and Ann. and would consider his email transgressions minor compared to the their sexual harrasments, drug hoarding, and plagarism.
"By the way, with my new contract I could buy and sell you." - Keith Olbermann
I might use that as my new sig file.
Francis,
You show a sheer genius for non sequiturs.
Yer welcome...
"most people would favor Keith over Bill, Rush, and Ann."
Let's see. No. 1 cable guy, No. 1 radio guy, No. 1 bestselling author.
Yup, Olberdunce has it all over them.
Good grief.
"most people would favor Keith over Bill, Rush, and Ann."
Let's see. No. 1 cable guy, No. 1 radio guy, No. 1 bestselling author.
Yup, Olberdunce has it all over them.
Good grief.
Jack writes:
"I might use that as my new sig file."
Bob, I think we need Joe's "Actually, we enjoy laughing at you" somewhere under the site masthead.
Maybe it might deter these folks who suddenly start deflecting from hilarious Olbermann mishaps and back-stabbings, into criticism of his critics or of FOX News or conservative pundits... or of some Republican...etc....etc...
Sheesh!
I wonder is this is how Edward R. Murrow would have responded to an email from Joe McCarthy?
One other thing...we apparently have ONE of the two emails that formed the basis for Lloyd Grove's column.
What about the one with "Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself."
Who has the other one? Can we see that too?
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:55:52 -0400
From: "Olbermann, Keith (NBC Universal, MSNBC)"
Subject: RE: Olbermann hero is dead
To:
Cc:
MIME-version: 1.0
Original-recipient:
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2006 16:54:24.0862 (UTC)
Trip to the woodshed?
Or do you follow W's lead - totally wrong, bullshit everybody, get asked,
pretend you're deaf.
Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself.
You know, we hear all the time about how much smarter KO is than all of us who disagree with him. Well this couldn't be "wronger."
Good Lord, his syntax is horrid, he seems to lack the ability to type two sentences without cursing. And what do Ann Coulter or O'Reilly have to do with the exchange?
i`d sooner prefer an email full of `dumbers` and `wrongers` than a commander-in-chief full of `deciders` and `suiciders`.
"i`d sooner prefer an email full of `dumbers` and `wrongers` than a commander-in-chief full of `deciders` and `suiciders`."
Oh, not me! I prefer the trillions of dollars in debt that this country is in, the loss of 2500 American soldiers in a war where Mission was Accomplished, liars masquerading as Presidential Aides who claim they have nothing to do with the leaking of a CIA agent's name to the press and still have their security clearance, gay hookers in the White House, a president who went AWOL and mysteriously had his service records destroyed, a Secretary of Defense who knows that WMD's are near Tikrit, billions of dollars going to Halliburton, enviromental standards going downhill, etc.
George Bush is the greatest president of all time! Well, I am still a little miffed about never finding the anthrax killer....
Welcome CNN\'ers.
I thought I\'d check the sitemeter and see if we have any MSNBC folks reading the site right now. I did not find any in the last 500 visitors but did find quite a few \"turner.com\" (CNN) visits.
I also found someone using an anonymizer service called \"Fully Sick Proxy\" (http://www.fullysickproxy.com/) and another called Anonymouse (http://anonymouse.org/)
Now, who would be attempting to anoymously monitor OlbermannWatch?
don`t flatter yourself. lots of people use anonymous proxy servers on the web, and not because they`re connected to KO ...
"Go f... your mother."
"Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself."
"By the way, with my new contract I could buy and sell you."
And NBC's Brian Williams made a distinct point of saying WHAT, WHAT, WHAT about civil discourse at the end of this World News 2-Nite. NBC's Matt Lauer said what about "civil tone" ??????? Nooooo way he ever hits the NBC airwaves again. I mean I know we won't hear the Dem Jersey assembly women asking to take his show off the air, or won;t hear Hillary and 8,000,00 other outraged "victims" - but stick a fork in him
HEY JOE, WHERE YOU GOIN' WITH THAT EMAIL IN YOUR HAND?
Joe, you are a hero of the people. Many have commented on this site. However, you are the King. I find you alluring and disgusting at the same time, which is quite hot. I want to F-k your mother and die!
Actually, I am quite jealous. I never in my wildest dreams believed Olbermann would be dumb enough to correspond with the people who despise him via e-mail, or I would have written him daily.
I am in NO WAY surprised by his use of profanity and his crudeness, however. I mean, the guy is out there on TV every night one step away from the nut house. OF COURSE he is worse when the camera is off. The dude is certifiable. I especially liked the comment about Coulter's cunt! Nice alliteration (undoubtedly accidental). And the nice line about how he "despised" his ex-boss was cute! Of course the "dicks in asses" and "I could buy you" lines are precious -- the pure distillate of an a--hole's mind! Realize that Keith lives for these conflicts. He loves them.
Now, we need to find the other people Olby has passionately written to.
Again Joe, I say "I am not worthy."
I've always thought Olbermann was an untalented, biased hack. But until today I had no idea he was an untalented, biased, psychotic hack. From these emails it appears he's 100% mentally disturbed. And MSNBC thought it would be a great idea to extend his contract? Maybe they're crazier than he is but judging by what we've seen here, maybe not. I can sincerely say that I hope he gets the professional treatment he so obviously needs. It was irrational to respond to these emails to begin with but the way in which he responded them is so beyond what any normal person would ever write. It's just disturbing to read them.
Great work Joe. And thanks for the heads-up on this yesterday. Now I know how you knew before this all hit.
Opie is cornered big time- Take all the legal minds on the Abrams Report, Greta and Nancy Grace combined and nary a rationale can be found for him seeing the NBC cameras for one more Meltdown. Outside chance may try the Kennedy defense - WWI - writing while intoxicated - on Ambien and didn't realzie he was e-mailing - but other than that - can't have Russert, Williams, etc trying to pretend credibility then your 8:00 primetime host rattling off the e-mails he has. I mean - he's almost 50 - and always critical from his leather chair in NYC when a 19 year old soldier makes a mistake.
Just no spin possible can legitimize this guy on the air - all the hollier than thou comments against Coltier, O'Reilly, Cheney using the F bomb, ad nauseum.
The libs would be all over Coulter ranting "(s)he's telling a guy to kill himself, he's calling for an illegal act against a mother, etc
Opie next in line for Brownie's old job as Horse show director - but never again behind lights at NBC.
Him again on Meltdown would be what Jayson Blair was to the NY Times - but premeditated.
Bad Luck and Bad Night Opie
Oh my! The jig is up for Olbermann! Mr. Cox, Keith Olbermann said some naughty words to an obnoxious writer in an e-mail! I can't believe it!
Waaah...Tell him to stop it Right Now!
Hoo boy! This is like watching a slow motion train wreck. Buckle up, and get the popcorn this is going to be good.
In this corner: Dan Abrams
Abrams graduated from Riverdale Country School in 1984, from Duke University, cum laude, with a degree in Political Science, and from Columbia University Law School in 1992.
Abrams has also published articles in the New York Times, USA Today magazine, The American Lawyer, and the Yale Law and Policy Review.
And in the other corner: Keith "Moonbat" Olbermann
Olbermann, semi professional jock sniffer. Olbermann earned his Bachelor of Science degree in communications arts from Cornell University in 1979, while serving as sports director for WVBR, a student-run commercial radio station in Ithaca, New York.
Never bring a knife to a gunfight.
Elmer --
Nothing slow motion about it now. I think we are looking at a scene like this:
Allow me to repeat a point I've made before. Crass language seems to separate us from them. Who'd have thought my first exposer to the word 'cunt' at this site would be at the hand of Keith Olbermann. I had to check the URL to see if I was at Huffington Post. If this guy thinks he can ever again have the moral authority to discuss O'Reillys loofa, he is sorely messed up.
Joe, thanks for insight. Maybe some more examples of KO's condescension if you get the chance.
This was dumb, but we've seen bank presidents, lawyers and other supposedly smart people do the same thing. Not a big deal in my opinion. Besides, I haven't seen anyone repudiate the Rita is dumb statement.
I'm also not too surprised a wingnut got his goat. Olbermann takes his patriotism very seriously and has angrily defended it from time to time on the show. Not a bright move to go after an anonymous emailer though.
I've realized how stupid this "story" is after re-reading it. The crux of Joe's posts seem to say: Look, KO cussed at me!!! And we care, why?
I hear worse than this on a daily basis and I don't have to accuse someone of supporting a terrorist.
I've realized how stupid this "story" is after re-reading it. The crux of Joe's posts seem to say: Look, KO cussed at me!!! And we care, why?
I hear worse than this on a daily basis and I don't have to accuse someone of supporting a terrorist.
Dan Abrams must fire the guy
Each day the cringe factor's high
Meltdown's good as dead
But "I'm sorry" he said
We all know that's just another lie
`Allow me to repeat a point I`ve made before. Crass language seems to separate us from them ... If this guy thinks he can ever again have the moral authority to discuss O`Reillys loofa, he is sorely messed up.`
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absolutely, Observer Dan. i certainly hope our righteous republican special forces don`t have potty mouths when they torture those stupid islamo-righteous freedom haters (who don`t even know enough to fear the right god!)
and so what if O`Reilly`s innocent crack about the loofa was part of his sexual harassment of a female coworker? that`s `alleged` sexual harassment to you, mister. whereas evil-doer Olbermann`s comment was an obscene assault on the very institution of decency! And that hurts America! Why isn`t there a constitutional amendment against such otrocities? There oughta be a law.
Nonfactor
>I've realized how stupid this "story" is after re-reading it. The crux of Joe's posts seem to say: Look, KO cussed at me!!! And we care, why?
Um. . . how about the content surrounding the curses Non? I know the curses got you all confused and tingly, but he did say:
$ "you couldn't be stupider, wronger, or dumber, if you were Ann Coulter's cunt."
$ "that evil fuck O'Reilly"
$ "with my new contract I could buy and sell you."
$ "Go fuck your mother."
$ "you obviously have your head as well as your dick stuck up each other's asses."
$ "Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself."
I know it pains you to see your hero say such gross things, but you can not hide Non. It is not just curse words. You keep "thinking about" the story until you convince yourself everything is fine, though.
By the way, I thought Keith was progressive. Why the mention of dicks in asses? Sounds like an anti-Gay slur to me. I mean, isn't he saying the equivalent of "you are a homo"? What would Michael Musto think?
hit_escape:
>"Besides, I haven't seen anyone repudiate the Rita is dumb statement."
Oh! So it is OK because it is true? Rita is "dumb." Are you serious? So Olby is a truth-teller now? I guess he is right -- Ann Coulter's "cunt" is dumb. Did Joe have his weiner in someones butt? Should Joe indeed have intercourse with his mother? Could Joe be bought by Olby? Should Joe "kill himself"? How stupid are you Escape (rhetorical question)?
Wow. Disregard the blatant hypocrisy, poor grammar, and lack of professionalism. Not only does KO do it, so do his followers. "Let's not have ad hominem attacks," says Nonfactor. Unless I do it to defend KO!
KO is Ok! Republicans did it, so dammit Keith did nothing wrong.
And all these red-state soldiers(forget the fact that that their are blue-staters there, too) probably use bad words when they are torturing the poor, innocent terrorists, too. That means KO can say whatever he wants, with no repercussions.
I believe I already stated that what Keith did was a mistake and uncalled for (as does Olbermann himself). I'm also pointing out how this is really a non-story hyped by those on the right who think that verbally insulting an abusive e-mailer is worse than calling up an intern and sexually harassing them.
And, Scott, do you also condem the ad hominem attacks done by "Joe" or is it just bad when Olbermann says something stupid?
Again, Non, what you are doing is an ad hominem (one of your most frequent;y used phrases) attack. Rather than address the points made that what KO did is completly unprofessional, and poorly written, you are attempting to deflect valid points by saying "But Bill O'Reilly said (this) and 'I hear worse than this on a daily basis and I don't have to accuse someone of supporting a terrorist."
Doesn't diminish the fact that KO is wrong, or use any valid argument to defend him, just shows the character of your position.
`And all these red-state soldiers(forget the fact that that their are blue-staters there, too) probably use bad words when they are torturing the poor, innocent terrorists, too. That means KO can say whatever he wants, with no repercussions.`
. . . . .
Definitely! There are just some things for which you deserve to be tortured. As the law says, `an eye for an eye`. And besides, they don`t have any rights anyway, they`re just like illegal immigrants. (Inalienable rights are not for aliens!) (Unless, of course, you`re some ally alien who`s willing to coallition with us and help with some of the torturing of the evil doers who deserve it because they`re evil.)
And yes! You are absolutely right ... of course there are some dyed-in-the-world card-carrying ACLUers they let in among the super secret guys who get to defend America by really sticking it to those would be suiciders with the thumbscrews and waterboards -- there must be, `cause the AMERICAN military is `Don`t Ask, Don`t Tell!` (Ha!) Not like SOME people`s military. (I`ll bet those stupid suiciders even let in homo suiciders who would marry if they were over here and lived in Kerry Land and wanted to, if the next constitution didn`t stop them, that is.)
Scott, that's not an ad hominem. And it's not the fallacy you're thinking of either, because I did adress the point. If I had only talked about Bill O'Reilly I'd be using fallacy.
Is there an actual link to the apology Keith issued? How was it released to the public??
OK, Non, I'll bite. Where did you address the actual merits of what KO said, or the issues raised in this story. Reading your posts, all I see are references to "far right winger(s)", loofahs, Bill O'Reilly, and what you hear everyday. No actual justification for KO's profanity laced tirades aimed at viewers, or his derogatory comments towards co-workers, his superiors, and other journalists.
Maybe you have posted fact-filled comments on other threads and I've missed them. However on this one, the closest thing I've seen to a fact is "I hear worse than this on a daily basis and I don't have to accuse someone of supporting a terrorist."
I actually wasn't specifically condemning the ad hominem attacks per se. What I was after was the hypocrisy shown by KO and his supporters. However, I didn't see Joe actually use any of the "Seven words you can't use on TV" in his emails. This may not be a completely accurate characterization of Joe's part of the conversation, as obviously not all of his are posted. But it really is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
The point, to simplify, was "People who live in glass houses..."
Nonfactor
>I'm also pointing out how this is really a non-story hyped by those on the right who think that verbally insulting an abusive e-mailer {PLEASE! How dumb} is worse than calling up an intern and sexually harassing them.
Is this about Olby or what? I know you are referencing O'Reilly, but I DON'T WATCH HIS SHOW AND I DON'T KNOW OR CARE ABOUT HIM.
Olby is a "newsman." Newsmen are supposed to be objective. They are supposed to be level-headed. They are not supposed to say "I bet you and your buddy stick your dicks in each others asses." They are not supposed to spew hate at other newscasters and pundits. Maybe if he had huge ratings he would have some leverage, but his ratings stink and he is a liability. Let's agree to disagree on this one, and wait to see what MSLSD does.
One point that no one is raising is the special treatment Olbermann is getting from NBC and GE. I have to believe that most employees of GE would have been terminated for sending such emails. At the very least, someone in HR would be combing through all of his other emails to see what else is in there.
Most companies have policies about what you can and cannot say using corporate email. I'd be surprised if NBC/GE did not have an email policy. I'd be even more surprised if Keith's communications fall within "acceptable use".
Any GE or NBC employees out there who can share with us what the policy is over there?
Also note how silent his colleagues at NBC have been. Just last week Keith was lecturing Republicans because they didn't come out and condemn Ann Coulter. Now the foot's on the other leg. Where are the MSNBC executives, the other hosts, the true journalists at NBC? Why haven't they spoken out to condemn the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann?
NonFactor writes:
"I'm also pointing out how this is really a non-story hyped by those on the right who think that verbally insulting an abusive e-mailer is worse than calling up an intern and sexually harassing them."
This is not a non-story, NonFactor. First off, let's compare apples to apples here: How does Orange Boy reaact to someone needling him as compared to BOR? Orange Boy is constantly calling out BOR for (alleged) boorish behavior towards those who oppose to him. For example, Orange Boy (and his sycophant supporters on this site) love to chastise BOR for instances in which BOR has told people to "shut up" (as far as I can tell, this has happened about as as many times as you can count on one hand among the thousands of times that he has taken calls). Yet, hypocritically, when Orange Boy does something something much more atrocious than telling somebody to shut up (f**k your mother, you should die, etc.) the loons are simply unable to bring themselves to admit that Orange Boy's repulsive bahavior is beyond the bounds of decency.
Lucky for Keith he is a C-level celebrity and can fly under the radar. Nobody watches hence nobody really cares too much.
My take on the silence is "where are his friends?" No, not the retard from TVNewser, or Nonfactor, hit_escape and James. I mean the people in high places he has worked with. Why aren't we hearing about how Keith is a "passionate newsman who does make mistakes but speaks his mind?" Seems to me they are letting him twist in the breeze. I wouldn't expect them to get in the mud and attack Olbermann. Rather, I would expect behind-the-scenes discussions about a post-Keith era. Only time will tell.
`Yet, hypocritically, when Orange Boy does something something much more atrocious than telling somebody to shut up (f**k your mother, you should die, etc.) the loons are simply unable to bring themselves to admit that Orange Boy\\\'s repulsive bahavior is beyond the bounds of decency.`
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Yes! Keith should suffer the same slings ands arrows as Rush and OReilly for their misdeads with the pills and the loofa! Increased audiences and escalating book deals. It is Allah`s will. I mean God`s will. I mean Jesus` will.
Scott, just because some information is irrelevant to the point you're trying to make doesn't mean it's irrelevant to the overall picture. I've already said that I didn't think the e-mails were necessary, what's left for me to say about them? I gave my opinion and asked a question.
"PLEASE! How dumb"? Why exactly is calling Joe an abusive e-mailer dumb? But after all you are the guy who thinks calling liberals anti-American and pro-terrorist is rational thought; I guess I can see your point of view. And I agree, KfK, newsmen are supposed to be objective, but the truth is is that isn't how it works. Whether you're Anderson Cooper or Shepard Smith getting pissed off about the government's (non)response to Hurricane Katrina or you're Keith Olbermann getting fed up with people who place you on the same side as the terrorists--people in the news and people reporting the news are and will always be objective. To me it humanizes them. Your comment about ratings is interesting because it's an admittance that (in your opinion) O'Reilly is still on T.V. and supported by FOX News because he has 2 million people watching his show every night, despite what he may (or may not have) done. But the difference with Olbermann's show is that the execs like it, and Abrams has already said that he wanted to model shows after how Keith has modeled his. But I do agree with you on one point--let’s wait and see what MSNBC does or doesn't do.
To Mr. Cox, I too am surprised nobody at NBC seems to care, not because this is a big story (it isn’t), but because it involves company e-mails. I’m sure there is a policy about e-mailing at MSNBC, but I think they don’t care enough to do anything to Keith over it; maybe a few private sit-downs with him and nothing more.
And to Mr. Dollar, the difference I see in Keith’s case and what he was pointing out about Coulter is that Keith came out and apologized, even for me saying that I don’t think him sending e-mails to someone who hates him sounds stupid because he already apologized for it; it sounds very redundant.
Hank, this is going to sound extremely dismissive, because in part it is. But the situations O’Reilly is in where he says he wouldn’t have a problem if terrorists blew up San Francisco and Keith’s situation are different. O’Reilly simply rants and rants and a few gems come out. Olbermann was provoked by an e-mailer (no excuse for his responses), and if I were in Keith’s shoes I definitely would’ve reacted similarly.
Stop comparing Olbermann and O'Reilly. O'Reilly doesn't claim to be unopionated in is show. Why don't you compare Olberdouche to Chris Wallace, or Brain Williams, or Bob Shieffer, or Tim Russert, or Brit Hume etc...? Surely, an Edward R. Murrow award winner would be comfortable with such comparisons.
O'Reilly was the victim of a CNN smear artist portraying herself as a job seeker. As I recall she was bought off, which makes her an extortionist.
Rush was the victim of a partisan DA who was using his office as a political hit squad. Not as bad as an assassin but pretty close. When are we going to get laws to end harrasment by prosecutors?
Ann Coulter as plagerist?(link) Is that even a crime? There was a listing of medical treatments using adult stem cells which looked suspiciously like a list of adult stem cell medical treatments from an anti abortion website called Illinois Right to Life committee. You think that IRTLC will mind if Ann is spreading the word?
The coolest thing about Ann Coulter being accused of plagerism in "Godless" is that, I know an army of liberals are pouring over every word of the book and cross referencing it against a bazillion matchs on google, each of which is a link to another conservative website.
Heh heh heh.
You Go Keith, tell those a--holes how it is. My brotha!
I have a pile of e-mails where the "ex espn sportcaster" answered mine with hilarious rants about me needling him about O'Reilly. All you have to do to set him off is type in "O'Reilly" All this happen last year during the sexual harrasment deal when he was trying to get a copy of the tapes. (P.S. don't mention "lardhair"-he he)
I find it ironic that Malkin --- who gets dramatically more offensive emails --- manages to avoid making a spectacle of herself in response.
How do I know she doesn't? Because if he did, people like nonfactor would have found out and trumpeted it about how "she can dish it out, but she can't take it".
So, why can't Keith "take it"? He certainly "dishes it out" on a daily basis.
She gets infinitely worse emails, including mass claims of her being unpatriotic and numerous references to ping-pong trick and Asian whore cracks (by "progressives", mind you, which makes it all the more ironic), then Keith does. Heck, I doubt her webcast on Hotair gets many fewer views than Olbermann's truly horrible TV show.
Olbermann, wannabe sportscaster, is in precious weak position to comment on anybody else's intellect. How much intellect is required to work on ESPN? Heck, it took him HOW many years to get a single viewer on MSNBC? People forget his original show and how utterly horrible and unwatchable it is.
If he can afford to buy and sell us with his new contract, then MSNBC is clearly not basing financial incentives with ACTUAL performance of programming.
Heck, I don't like O'Reilly and I LIKE watching him get skewed. I like EVEN MORE watching Olbermann getting skewed.
-=Mike
Nonfactor wrote: "Why exactly is calling Joe an abusive e-mailer dumb?"
Simple. Presuming "Joe" is on the up-and-up, and his cut-and-paste of the emails is unaltered, Olbermann's statement on his vile responses was designed to make you believe that he was just giving as good as he got. The record proves differently.
Were Joe's emails to Keith inaccurate? Definitely. Unlike people like singer Chrissie Hynde and novelist Tom Robbins, who have actually said publicly they hope the U.S. loses, I have no doubt Keith had no affection for Al-Zarqawi, even if he -- like his ideological twin Chris Matthews -- can't manage welcoming good news that might be bringing a smile to President (not "Mr.") Bush.
Were the emails insulting? Of course, by design.
Were they "abusive?" It is to laugh. From Olbermann's "apology," one might have imagined he was responding to the kind of bigoted, pornographic, scatological bilge regularly found in Michelle Malkin's stomach-churning hate mail from so-called "progressives." So far, Malkin, whom Olbermann takes shots at regularly, has had the self-control necessary to resist comment on the intelligence of her critics' gentalia.
One more thing: imagine the holy Hades that would have come down on Rush, O'Reilly, or any right-of-center figure if they had responded that someone who sent a nasty email must be engaging in anal sex. Then ask yourself why Olbermann shouldn't be getting that treatment.
Wow, the pathetic TVNewser site is obviously REELING. The MSNBC-loving child's desperate post yesterday was the funniest I've seen, he was so clearly out of answers and defense. Great job staying on this kid, he is nothing but a third-rate political activist and smear artist.
TVNewser and Keith Olbermann are perfect for each other. The only thing I will concede is that TVN probably gets more readers than Olbermann does viewers!
Excellent job exposing TVNewser, which is nothing but Media Matters run by a college kid.
Nonfactor "Olbermann was provoked by an e-mailer (no excuse for his responses)"
Irony alert!
Howard if you "have a pile of e-mails where the "ex espn sportcaster" answered mine with hilarious rants" why are you not enlightening us as Joe has.
I think Keith should--and will--end up doing a 'Dan Rather.' To wit, a bleeding liberal who re-defines the stratosphere of lunacy with words and actions and quickly exits, Stage Left.
I personally find Olbermanns comments in his emails to Joe to be quite humourous... Plus it brings to light that my donations to several charities for the mentally challenged are not being put to good use..
I may have to rethink this the next time I break out my checkbook
"By the way, with my new contract I could buy and sell you." - Keith Olbermann
Maybe Keith uses this as a pick-up line.
Please post the full headers of each of the emails from Olbermann. It's the only way to be sure they came from him, not some obnoxious prankster.
To FactsPlease,
Olbermann is a Jihadi and is a traitor to his country. His support of Al-Qaeda and his open rooting for US defeat in Iraq is sickening. Rumors are circulating that KO has converted to Islam and will reveal it soon!
Olbermann is a Jihadi and is a traitor to his country. His support of Al-Qaeda and his open rooting for US defeat in Iraq is sickening.
Telegram for ORR:
You are a moron. STOP
Thinking of engaging in witty dialogue? STOP
Trying to be cute? STOP
Sincerely - Well, wouldn't you like to know?
STOP STOP
`Olbermann is a Jihadi and is a traitor to his country.`
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Dick Cheney: True Traitor
In the initial stages of the war on terror, Tenet's CIA was rising to prominence as the lead agency in the Afghanistan war. But when Tenet insisted in his personal meetings with the president that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, Cheney and Rumsfeld initiated a secret program to re-examine the evidence and marginalize the agency and Tenet. Through interviews with DoD staffers who sifted through mountains of raw intelligence, FRONTLINE tells the story of how questionable intelligence was "stovepiped" to the vice president and presented to the public.
From stories of Nigerian yellowcake to claims that 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi agents in Prague, The Dark Side dissects the now-familiar assertions that led the nation to war. The film also examines how that stovepiped intelligence was used by the vice president in unprecedented visits to the CIA, where he questioned mid-level analysts on their conclusions. CIA officers who were there at the time say the message was clear: Cheney wanted evidence that Iraq was a threat.
"My Diary"
By "Olbermann Fan Club Member #2"
10:00 AM -- What a great cartoon! When I first saw it, I was confused! "Connect the dots?" What? Why should I? Then I did connect the dots and the "S" had a LINE through it! Well, I started to feel like I was in that movie with Tom Hanks . . . you know, the one with all the paintings and the Albino? Hold on . . . I'll do some research . . .
10:30 AM -- The "Davinchi Code" you know. From what I can tell, it is about an Albino who goes crazy and kills priests! There are alot of clues in it. Anyway, the "S" with a line through it got me thinking, was there more to this than meets the eye? I needed to do research, so I went to see "Mission Impossible III" to get my mind in the right place.
1:00 PM -- I am still haunted by the cartoon. A line with an "S" in it. Does it mean "shame"? Does it mean "say no to bad things that start with "S""? Is it an "I" with an "S"? I go back to my 13th grade conspiracy class. I can hear "Brad" asking those mind-killer questions: What is the author trying to tell you in the subtext? What is he afraid to say and what would Cheney and Bush not want us to know?
1:45 PM -- Then it hits me! This is a SYMBOL! I KNOW IT! I need to get a book of symbols, so I go to my Mom's house.
2:15 PM -- Well, it's all ruined! My Mom told me it was a dollar sign and explained the whole thing to me! I wish I could have figured it out myself. My Mom looked at me like I'm an immature idiot! Well, I'm 42 now and she can kiss my ass. Well, I'm off to collect my benefits . . .
A dimwit typed:
>From stories of Nigerian yellowcake to claims that 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi agents in Prague
Funny -- Saddam had yellowcake. We found it when we went into Iraq.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/17/171214.shtml
"By April 2003, when the U.S. invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein had stockpiled 500 tons of yellowcake uranium at his al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons development plant south of Baghdad."
As for the wonderful Saddam:
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html
I don't expect you to understand, but you should at least read it.
Cheney's Halliburton Ties Remain
Contrary To Veep's Claims, Researchers Say Financial Links Remain
(CBS/AP) A report by the Congressional Research Service undermines Vice President Dick Cheney's denial of a continuing relationship with Halliburton Co., the energy company he once led. The report says a public official's unexercised stock options and deferred salary fall within the definition of "retained ties" to his former company. Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options.
SO IT'S CARTOON WARFARE IS IT? WELL, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE UBERLIBS FIRED THE FIRST SHOT!
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CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS
Commerce & State Department Reports to Task Force Detail Oilfield & Gas Projects, Contracts & Exploration
(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.�
CRAZY PERSON POSTS OFF-TOPIC CONSPIRACY MATERIAL
(Olbermannwatch Press) A report by the Olbermannwatch Research Service confirms that an insane visitor is posting off-topic conspiracy material on Olbermannwatch. The crazed person, suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome), is indeed unconnected to reality and in need of help.
Fools for War Profiteers wrote:
"documents turned over by the Commerce Department concerning . . . the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."
Wow. You mean the Energy Task Force actually had possession of maps and charts regarding oil production and refining in one of the major producing areas of the world?
No, you're putting me on-- this is just astounding. Do Woodward and Bernstein know about about this? This is gonna make Watergate look like grandma shoplifting a Snickers. Can you imagine? I bet ole W, Cheney and Rummy are sitting in a backroom right now with cigars and snifters of brandy dividing up the oil fields among themselves and their buddies.
Let's get Pat Fitzgerald on this immediately-- maybe he can still come through with a Cheney indictment on this matter since he dropped the ball by failing to indict Karl Rove for revealing the name of double super secret undercover classified agent Valerie Plame Wilson, wife of the notorious liar Joe "Frog March" Wilson.
Ooh! How INCRIMINATING! Call the cops!
OLBERMANN'S RATINGS (and the NY Times stock price):
-- With the rise in Halliburton's stock price -- which is up 50 percent since the war began -- the value of Cheney's options has increased to more than $10 million.
-- Republicans stripped the recent Iraq supplemental bill of an anti-profiteering provision which would have held companies holding contracts with the U.S. government criminally accountable for price gouging.
-- Republicans in June 2004 blocked an effort to create stiffer criminal penalties for war profiteering. The bill would have created new penalties -- including up to 20 years in jail -- for government contractors convicted of inflating the cost of goods or services.
Yes, Olberburton is to blame! I come to Olberburtonwatch.com for all my Olberburton news and graphics.
Going back to the original topic, isn't it hilarious that the little baby at TVNewser keeps trying to ignore the Olbermann firestorm? As if his silence matters when millions of people read all about it via the Drudge Report link. What a bitter failure the TVNewser site is.
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