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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    July 17, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JULY 17, 2006

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • WAR & DIPLOMACY - PRES. BUSH'S STYLE VS. PRES. CLINTON'S STYLE: Brian Williams, host of NBC's "Nightly News" and former White House correspondent for part of Pres. Clinton's presidency
    • ARE WE REALLY ON THE BRINK OF WORLD WAR 3?: Lt. Col. Rick Francona, U.S. Air Force (ret.) and NBC Middle East military analyst
    • VALERIE PLAME WILSON'S LAWSUIT: former Ambassador Joe Wilson

    "The Worst of Times"

    The Mideast war was the top story tonight. Don't get excited, it's another one of those stories his producers are forcing him to cover. Keith was all set to spotlight the discredited Joe Wilson tonight, but that war got in his way once again.

    After summarizing the day's events, Olby ran a lengthy clip of the President's street language to Blair, then a clip from Bill Clinton (recycled from the network mothership). An interview with Brian Williams followed; it was taped earlier, though KO pretended it was live. The spin started with Olby's first leading question, which, no surprise, took aim at the President.

    Contrasting Clinton and Bush, KO asked:

    Is there a sense there in Israel that President Bush has done done enough diplomatic work to help bring about peace in that reason, at least compared with his predecessors?

    Williams didn't even dignify Olby's tendentious query with an answer, responding about something else entirely. KO asked about the President's expletive, and Williams said in Israel their minds are on other matters.

    Much to our surprise, the #4 segment was still the war. Apparently those producers also forced the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann to bump the Wilson spot past the half-hour break. That's OK, since Olby had a chance to jab at Newt Gingrich for declaring that the current hostilities may be the start of World War III:

    That there is a political benefit to raising the spectre of apocalyptic destruction not lost on Mr Gingrich...

    Col Rick Francona, NBC military analyst, was there as KO tossed another of his leading questions his way:

    Considering there are signs that Israel might be talking cease-fire here, is the, is the use of the phrase World War III at this point inflammatory, irresponsible?

    Considering that Gingrich said that on Sunday morning, when there was no talk of a cease-fire, is Keith Olbermann's question dishonest and propagandistic? Bingo! Francona disagreed with Newt but, to his credit, went out of his way not to accept Olbermann's descriptive terms.

    After oddball and the half-hour break, the much-hyped "exclusive" interview with the discredited Joe Wilson. Setting it up, Olby said Novak's original column "triggered a crisis of confidence" in the Bush administration. Then Keith pulled one of his little tricks. Citing Novak's statement that Novak didn't believe Valerie Plame was "covert", KO said:

    That of course contradicts what the Special Prosecutor, Mr Fitzgerald, said.

    Wrong! In fact, it may be another Olbermann lie. Fitzgerald's indictment, referred to by KO, said Plame was "classified". That is not the same thing as covert. In fact, when asked by the press if Plame was covert, Fitz flatly refused to apply that description to her. So Novak's statement did not contradict Fitz at all. OK, we convinced ourselves. It is another Olbermann lie.

    When Keith questioned The Great Man, he did everything but put the words in Wilson's Mouth:

    Is that the point, or a point, of this lawsuit, to clarify for the record who did what and why?

    The Great Man spoke. Novak's not to be trusted. They were exacting "personal revenge" on him. He's been the object of threats. All in all, no news resulted from this agenda-flogging. No challenging Wilson on his inconsistencies with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the document it found proving Plame suggested him, contrary to his assertions. No questioning Wilson about how he claimed he spotted forged documents months before the documents were even discovered. KO's interview was more than toothless--he took his teeth out and put them in a glass under his desk (where he would crawl later to retrieve them).

    #2: The heat wave (recycled report), tsunami, Barbaro. #1: The exclusive interview with Brad Pitt!

    In the Media Matters MInute, Olby called Ann Coulter a "screaming fraud", blaming her for people who send white powder to the New York Times. KO, who relies on the Media Matters summaries (often misleading and inaccurate) apparently didn't actually check the transcript of what Annie said, and bellowed:

    She went on another radio show to suggest staffers of the New York Times be executed.

    Coulter's exact words:

    And do you think there is any possibility any action will be taken against The New York Times for something that could have gotten them executed, certainly did get the Rosenbergs executed?

    Annie suggested that legal action should be taken against the Times. That is a bit different from her inciting people to kill staffers at the Old Gray Lady. But such fine distinctions are lost on comedian Keith Olbermann, whose spin grows lamer and more desperate by the day.


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    Is this KO spin...or just KO stupidity??

    * Keith: WWIII, Episode III...history or at least Newt Gingrinch, once again jumping the gun apparently, the former Republican Speaker of the House among the first to suggest that it is not too soon to begin framing the current showdown between Israel and Hezbollah, a showdown that is not yet even a declared War between countries, as the next great worldwide conflict...considering that there are signs that Israel might be talking cease-fire here, is the use of the phrase 'WWIII' inflammatory?...

    (um...KO, when did Hezbollah become a country? and yes, Hezbollah DID declare War)

    * AND Newt Gingrich's comments from MTP:
    I mean, this is absolutely a question of the survival of Israel, but it?s also a question of what is really a world war. Look what you?ve been covering: North Korea firing missiles. We say there?ll be consequences, there are none. The North Koreans fire seven missiles on our Fourth of July; bombs going off in Mumbai, India; a war in Afghanistan with sanctuaries in Pakistan. As I said a minute ago, the, the Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hezbollah alliance. A war in Iraq funded largely from Saudi Arabia and supplied largely from Syria and Iran. The British home secretary saying that there are 20 terrorist groups with 1200 terrorists in Britain. Seven people in Miami videotaped pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda, and 18 people in Canada being picked up with twice the explosives that were used in Oklahoma City, with an explicit threat to bomb the Canadian parliament, and saying they?d like to behead the Canadian prime minister. And finally, in New York City, reports that in three different countries people were plotting to destroy the tunnels of New York.

    I mean, we, we are in the early stages of what I would describe as the third world war

    ___

    Newt references North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, Saudi Arabia, terrorism in the UK, U.S., and Canada

    And Keith says Newt was just describing the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah as WWIII.....

    bravo Keith...bravo!!

    Is this KO spin...or just KO stupidity?? (again from tonight's episode)

    (from clip) Robert Novack: "I don't think she was a Covert Operative"

    Keith Olbermann: "That of course contradicts what the Special Prosectuor Mr. Fitzgerald said in announcing his indictment of Scooter Libby nearly a year ago." "In July 2003", Fitzgerald said, "the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified"

    No, Keith, that does NOT contradict what Fitzgerald said in his press conferance...

    ALSO from Mr. Fitzgerald's press conferance:

    FITZGERALD: "Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward
    ...
    And all I'll say is that, look, WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY ALLEGATION that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent."

    Let me see if I got this straight:

    Did Keith actually try to run a story informing us that it is HOT IN JULY?

    Holy cow, it's the most factually accurate thing ever said on his show.

    True, it's something that an elementary school level of climate knowledge would make a superfluous point, but it's Keith. Take what we can get, I suppose.
    -=Mike

    MikeSC:

    mike writes 'did keith actually try to run a story informing us that it is hot in july?'

    not surprised that the point is missed here. 87 or 104 american cities tracked by the weather service were 90 degrees or higher today. first time that has ever happened--EVER.

    even fox news has reported it, as well as drudge.

    but, i noticed bo went with strip joints (talk about a superfluous point), maybe his faloofa was getting lonely.

    Seriously, would someone please tell me who Keith Olbermann is?

    crshedd,

    That's an interesting phrase you used there, "first time that has ever happened--EVER" and I noticed you emphasized the word 'ever'.

    How insightful...um...but how long has Worldwide temperature data been kept on record? A few hundred years if that long.

    And how old is the Earth? Take your pick depending on your personal viewpoint. 6000-8000 years or 4.5 billion years.

    And you emphasized the word 'EVER'??

    Wow...

    If you feel the need to amend your use of the word 'EVER' to 'EVER in recorded history', then I'll be happy to give you a % of that recorded history compared to all of Earth's actual history and then we can debate whether or not your statistical sample is worth analyzing.

    Keith Olbermann hates normal people.

    Bravo Keith! And I thought I was a tough interviewer!

    Oh Keith Olbermann is priceless. So Bush uses a profanity when talking about Syria and apparently that's Countdown material. Of course it is! My inside source says the interview with Brian Williams was also edited to remove BR's calling KO a complete dumbass.

    JustAVoice:

    when you're right, you're right.

    i just thought that point was obvious sense there were not 104 american cities 6000 years ago or 4.5 billion years ago.

    i thought the reader would understand...my bad.

    Pat Fegan:

    the president's language has been on EVERY channel--yes, even fox news.

    it is on EVERY news blog--yes, even drudge.

    you can't put ko down for this one without putting down bo and all the others.

    what i found disgusting wasn't the language but he kept talking with his mouth full of food! didn't his mother teach him any manners?

    Many a liberal journalist would gladly vouch for the credibility of Robert Novak.

    crshedd:

    no problem...I concede also.

    when you're right, you're right.

    You're quite correct, there were not 104 american cities 6000 years ago or 4.5 billion years ago.

    Although there were 104 locations at the exact same places where later those American cities would be established. And we currently have temperature data on those 104 locations for a period less than 200 years of the over 6000 years/4.5 billion years that they existed.

    i thought that was implied in my statement...my bad.

    crshedd, I realize it was all over the news. I thought it was funny how a hack like Keith asked NBC anchor Brian Williams to comment on it, with everything else happening. Oh, and Slick Willy strikes me as someone who talked with some intern in HIS mouth.

    Question for all the Drudge detractors: What do you have against him? Surely, he has much more integrity than the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, don't you agree?

    Pat Fegan:

    i also thought it was funny how drudge quoted comments from tony blair and tony snow. but, i never thought drudge a hack for doing it. i know every news station is going to ask somebody notable about it. so a news show host asking a news anchor seems quite logical.

    and slick willy didn't have an intern in his mouth, he had ...

    but, faloofa or cigar, both also bad manners.

    JustAVoice:

    that is why i spoke of 104 american cities, not 104 locations that will become american cities in 4.5 billion years.

    Pat Fagen:

    i assume you either include me or mean me when you speak of all the drudge detractors.

    why do you think i am detrating from drudge. i'm just saying that drudge is reporting the same thing ko is.

    crshedd, I was not singling you out but I was including you. It seemed that you said that Bush's obscenity was " even on drudge " just like when you posted that O'Reilly had it on as well: A source no conservative could quibble with is what I thought you were implying. There are some lefties who post here who don't think to much of Drudge. Actually, they loathe him. I'm glad you're not in that camp.

    I'd say Clinton's " manners " were a little worse than Bush's. And just playing the percentages, I'm sure at one time B.C. had a mouthful of intern, either in Little Rock or Washington.

    For the most part, the media coverage of Bush saying shit was just that.... reporting it. But intrepid Keith wants some commentary from a man who should have known better than to get near Keith's Bird Flu program.

    Good 'ol predictable Olbie, mentioning Bush's expletive-laced utterance today. I wonder if Bush had said the F-bomb(which apparently KTO loves) would the incident be reported differently by him. I doubt it.

    Man are you right, Pat Chen. I adore the F word. I mean, I'm just so damn edgy. People can't handle what I'm dishing out.

    If I knew President Bush (or any President) refrained from using expletives at all times even when he believes he's not "on record"...then I would question that man.

    In this case, Bush is free to use any 4-letter word he wants...more power to him.

    Pat Fagen:

    i am not a fan of any tv personalities discussed here. i read drudge as well as media matters.
    i watch fox as well as msmbc.

    the trouble i see on all those shows and web sites/blogs, is that NONE of them are unbiased. sure ko is liberal. sure bo is conservative. there is no fair and balanced. drudge points out mis-statements but only by liberals. media matters points out inconsistancies but only against conservatives.

    but, guess what? both sides are right and wrong. i cannot believe everything bush does is right. as far as i know only one being is perfect. and slick willy, didn't do everything wrong. as far as i know only one being is totally evil.

    sometimes i agree with hc (howie carr), bo, ko, even al franken. but sometimes they are full of crap. none are right all the time and none are wrong all the time.

    While you guys take apart the hapless, truth challenged KO shows that should all start with "Once upon a time", I'll simply add a couple of thoughts that make KO all the more laughable.

    One, his throwing of paper wads. He had to stop throwing them overhand because his producers picked up on the fact he throws like a girl (like Tony Perkins in the movie, "Fear Strikes Out.)" Now he always throws them sideways.

    Two speaks to Keith's show's originality. The them music is fifty years old, stolen from a 1950's news type TV program.

    There's Superman, Batman, Spiderman and now Olberrmann. Three made up cartoon characters, and one sad sorry joke who spends his time making things up.

    You'd think that if this was the hottest summer ever, we'd have more hurricanes according to Gore.

    We had five last July, but we are running a goose egg this year.

    Maybe global warming stops hurricanes. (That sounds just a tad crazier than global warming causes hurricanes.)

    Actually, the theme music, while from the old NBC nightly "Huntley-Brinkley Report," is actually much much older than fifty years, more like 175. It's the opening to the 2nd movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

    The Middle East is going up in a flame
    So Keith interviews Mr. Valerie Plame?
    That's a ratings disaster
    His rivals will plaster
    Last place and only Keith is to blame

    There has been no mention yet of Krazy's lil dig at Katie Couric. He mentioned CBS putting their logo on eggs and mentioned Katie and egg in CBS's face. I'm no fan of Couric's, she's your garden variety liberal, but it seems that Krazy is a lil peeved at Ms. Couric for leaving the mothership and making probably a thousand times more money then he does and at the Today Show had a thousand times more viewers. If anyone can hold a grudge its ole Krazy K.

    There has been no mention yet of Krazy's lil dig at Katie Couric. He mentioned CBS putting their logo on eggs and mentioned Katie and egg in CBS's face. I'm no fan of Couric's, she's your garden variety liberal, but it seems that Krazy is a lil peeved at Ms. Couric for leaving the mothership and making probably a thousand times more money then he does and at the Today Show had a thousand times more viewers. If anyone can hold a grudge its ole Krazy K.

    I'm no fan of Couric's, she's your garden variety liberal, but it seems that Krazy is a lil peeved at Ms. Couric for leaving the mothership and making probably a thousand times more money then he does and at the Today Show had a thousand times more viewers.

    More likely he was referring to the same criticisms most everyone has of Couric: she has almost zero experience in "hard news" coverage, never led a news team (which anchors do by default) and had little experience in "field reporting".

    CBS, which is severely lagging behind NBC and facing a resurgent ABC (which has rebounded significantly since Peter Jennings' death to challenge CBS for #2), is experimenting. This could work, or it could be a $15 million lemon.

    More likely he was referring to the same criticisms most everyone has of Couric: she has almost zero experience in "hard news" coverage, never led a news team (which anchors do by default) and had little experience in "field reporting".

    Sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black. What is KO's version of "field reporting?" Reporting from a studio in Tampa while he's visting spring training? Reporting from the NY studio instead of Secaucus?

    KO is the wrong guy to citicize a legitimate, if still green, news anchor.

    What is KO's version of "field reporting?" Reporting from a studio in Tampa while he's visting spring training? Reporting from the NY studio instead of Secaucus?

    Um, hello? How about the 30-odd years of sports reporting Keith has done. Last I checked, sports is still legitimate "news" reporting that often has hard edges (like the 1994-95 baseball strike or the O.J. Simpson murder case).

    Elizabeth Vargas was chosen to co-anchor the ABC Evening News. She has no field reporting, I mean if she looked like Helen Thomas does anyone think ABC would have let her anywhere near a camera. The evening news is no longer about Hunt-Brinkley & Cronkite, Murrow, its all show business.

    Elizabeth Vargas was chosen to co-anchor the ABC Evening News.

    And it didn't reverse the slide that ABC had been suffering since Jennings' death. Not to mention she was going to be part of a "team" newscast with Bob Woodruff (a grizzled vet of frontline journalism) until a roadside bomb in Iraq seriously wounded him.

    Vargas didn't have the experience and it showed. Couric doesn't have the experience and it will also show. The question becomes: can she overcome the rookie mistakes?

    "Last I checked, sports is still legitimate "news" reporting that often has hard edges (like the 1994-95 baseball strike or the O.J. Simpson murder case)."

    Are you serious?

    I don't care what language the chimp uses. Have you ever heard the Nixon tapes? That guy's language would put hair on you guy's chests.

    What bothers me is that Blair was passionately trying to talk some sense in to the Prez's thick skull and all Bush could say was that he wished he could call Syria and have them make s#%$ go away. He never once seemed to grasp what Blair was offering and instead blathered on about sending Condi and stuffing his mouth at the same time. (sigh) I hope we all survive two more years of this idiot.

    One more time for the record. Fitz couldn't figure out anything about Plame because EVERYONE LIED to him. Libby's trial is about LYING and nothing else. If Fitz ever gets to the bottom of the lying, other charges will follow. So far, Novak seems to be trying to offer alibis, but his story keeps changing every time he opens his mouth. I'm sure Scooter wishes Novakula would STFU.

    WW III is just an extension of Rove's fear mongering. Israel can handle the situation much better than we can and doesn't need our help.

    Today's funfact:

    Who had the higher GPA at Yale?

    Kerry or Bush?

    Bush

    Good thing that dipshit Kerry wasn't elected.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF

    Who had the higher GPA at Yale?

    1 point. 1 freakin' point! You want to tell me how that makes a lick of difference (especially since Bush's team dropped the whole "MBA President" nonsense way back when).

    Are you serious?

    Watch "Sportscenter", then watch any half-hour news program on a major network. The format is very similar (a reporter reading intros to videotaped footage). And there is very little actual interviewing going on on the 6 o'clock news (mostly it's a follow-up or two to something on the videotape).

    In response to irrefutable evidence that Orange Boy lied when he stated on last night's Meltdown that Novak contradicted Patrick Fitzgerald when Novak asserted that Valerie Plame was NOT a covert agent at the time that Novak wrote his column, Hit Escape tries this tactic:

    "One more time for the record. Fitz couldn't figure out anything about Plame because EVERYONE LIED to him."

    Uh, Mr. Escape, exactly what untruthful information is being communicated to Mr. Fitzgerald regarding Plame's undercover status (or more precisely, lack thereof)? If EVERYONE is lying to Mr. Fitzgerald regarding this issue, please name one person who knows that Plame is an undercover or covert agent but is lying about it? Where are you getting your information to the effect that EVERYONE is lying to Fitzgerald about Plames's covert status?

    If you can't come up with the name of someone who is lying about Plame's covert status, I can help you with a name-- how about her husband, Joe "FrogMarch" Wilson?

    He claims that Valerie Plame was a "covert agent" subject to the protection of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. This claim appears to turn on whether she served outside the United States during the five years preceding her identification. Did she?

    Joe Wilson has disproved his own accusation that someone in the Bush administration violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, USA Today reports:

    The alleged crime at the heart of a controversy that has consumed official Washington--the "outing" of a CIA officer--may not have been a crime at all under federal law, little-noticed details in a book by the agent's husband suggest.

    In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins.

    This meant that Plame would have been stationed in the U.S. for six years before Bob Novak published his column citing her two years ago today. As USA Today notes:
    The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say.

    What bothers me is that Blair was passionately trying to talk some sense in to the Prez`s thick skull and all Bush could say was that he wished he could call Syria and have them make s#%$ go away. He never once seemed to grasp what Blair was offering and instead blathered on about sending Condi and stuffing his mouth at the same time. (sigh) I hope we all survive two more years of this idiot.

    the chimp wasn`t even paying attention. he was doin` the ... uh-huh, uh-huh, thang ... while he stuffed his stupid face ... then when he pauses to try and add something to the one-sided diplomacy101 lecture, he grunts through his banana stuffed face the same old cliched simplicities israel and the neocons and cheney and FOX have been spoon feeding him for five years. what an idiot. just like the resident dumbshits here. you try and have a reasoned conversation with them, but it`s useless, because they`re hopeless morons. fantasy-agenda based, with no boots-on-the-ground grasp of reality. blair must be so sick of trying to deal with this bozo. you can see by their conversation that tony treats the chimp with kid gloves.

    WASHINGTON -- As Israeli warplanes were preparing an attack on Lebanon Thursday afternoon, and a Lebanese militia was aiming a rocket at the ancient Israeli city of Safed, President George W. Bush was bantering with reporters in Germany about a pig. Bush kept bringing up the roast wild boar he was about to dine on at a banquet that night, even when asked about the swelling crisis in the Middle East, where pig meat is forbidden to religious Jews and Muslims.

    "Does it concern you that the Beirut airport has been bombed?" a reporter asked. "And do you see a risk of triggering a wider war?" "I thought you were going to ask me about the pig," Bush replied blithely. Then he brought the pig up again -- for the fifth time. "He was asked a serious question," said Ian Lustick, a Middle East expert now at the University of Pennsylvania, and his answer "epitomized his disengagement in the Middle East."

    Crshedd, I agree that Bill O'Reilly is biased. But he has on all sorts of liberals, from moderately left to left of left. Olbermann does not. If he did, I think we'd all say " for that relief, much thanks." Drudge is extremely critical of conservatives, on his site and on his radio show, when they screw up. I have respect for any liberal who isn't afraid of mixing it up with someone of a different political persuasion. Keith does not fit that description.

    I am confused Bush didn't get his MBA from Harvard?
    Why wouldnt Kerry release his grades prior to the election?

    "the chimp wasn`t even paying attention. he was doin` the ... uh-huh, uh-huh, thang ... while he stuffed his stupid face ... then when he pauses to try and add something to the one-sided diplomacy101 lecture, he grunts through his banana stuffed face the same old cliched simplicities israel and the neocons and cheney and FOX have been spoon feeding him for five years. what an idiot."

    With a reasoned argument like this, who am I to refute?

    >With a reasoned argument like this, who am I to >refute?


    Whose arguing? looks a like an accurate description of the events to me.

    Hey-how come Joe was on the show, but didn't bring the wife?

    Are Valerie and Kieth at odds?

    "the chimp wasn`t even paying attention. he was doin` the ... uh-huh, uh-huh, thang ... while he stuffed his stupid face ... then when he pauses to try and add something to the one-sided diplomacy101 lecture, he grunts through his banana stuffed face the same old cliched simplicities israel and the neocons and cheney and FOX have been spoon feeding him for five years. what an idiot."

    Yeah, what a dope. Oughtta be a breeze for the Dems to run somebody against him for prez and win in a cakewalk. Any Dem will mop the floor with him in a debate . . . but wait, the Dems have already been down this road . . . twice. The "Chimp" made monkeys out of the Dems both times and took it to the debate champion Senator "Voted For It Before I Voted Against It" Kerry. How did that happen? Oh yeah, the voters were duped . . . or maybe the voters were just too stupid to know what's good for them . . . or maybe the elections were STOLEN !!! . . . yeah, yeah, that it, that's the ticket, the elections were stolen. Keef said they were stolen and he is not political, so it must be true. The Chimp couldn't possible have beaten us fair and square. Selected, Not Elected, Selected Not Elected, Selected, Not Elected, I tell you . .

    Yeah, what a dope. Oughtta be a breeze for the Dems to run somebody against him for prez and win in a cakewalk.

    not with dopes like you voting for him.


    Breaking News: Senate votes 63-37 to loosen President Bush`s ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, a move Bush has pledged to veto.

    Prezdent Prissy Bitch and his first veto over the rubber-stamp do-nothing no-oversight republican congress.

    Anon writes:

    'Yeah, what a dope. Oughtta be a breeze for the Dems to run somebody against him for prez and win in a cakewalk.'

    "not with dopes like you voting for him."

    Didn't vote for him. It's just funny watchin' all you libs get all foamin' at the mouth about Bush. As funny as you loonybins are, Keef is the funniest to watch get all rabid and blowin' a gasket. What a loser.

    It is hysterical seeing libs get all bent outta shape about Bush. They hate him; especially those in academia. Let me guess 'anon', you are currently in school getting your degree in English Lit from "those who can't do, teach" university. Don't worry when you fail, or more likely, just give up on a career, you will most certainly be welcome at "hiding from the world" university. There you can profess your hatred of all things conservative and continue to be proven wrong, just as your predecessors were.

    Remember, Reagan was a dumbass too and he was going to start World War III, but somehow that wall fell and the iron curtain disappeared. I'd tell you to just keep yappin, but that would assume that you had the ability to realize when you were wrong, and since no lesson could possibly be learned by someone with such limited acumen, I'll say: "keep your head in your ass." At least that way you can't hurt others with your incredible ignorance.

    Another thing. I'll put up Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Bill Kristol, and Dennis Miller (for shits and giggles) as four smarter people than any who voted for Kerry.

    If we are lucky, you'll somehow make it to a President Bush news conference and Mr. Chimp will throw his own feces at you.

    It is so funny watching these dumbass conservatives defend Bush. Sure the war is going to cost something like 1 trillion dollars, which later generations will have be paying out of their asses causing great harm to our economy. Sure there were no weapons of mass destruction. Sure students at university (Places a guy like the above poster hates) exercising their constitutional right to protest, are in a terror data base. But don't expect ballooning war costs, or government intrusion into privacy, or egregious intelligence errors to faze these morons. They swallowed the Kool-Aid long ago and they will never ever turn on their ‘Dear Leader.’

    My guess is 'Doh' works as an auto-mechanic or some other appropriate 'I flunked out of high school job where he sighs a daily sigh of relief that he will never be asked to set foot in the halls of higher learning again. I suspect 'Doh' will spend his days like all retarded bible thumping morons who believe that the invisible man in the sky is the "great Father" hating all things liberal especially reality and other well known liberal biases. Nope in Jonesville Red state USA, there are no limits on American power, and Bill Kristol 'Lets get three more wars going' is actually sane and smart.


    The war has also substantially increased the military's overall recruiting costs, reflected in bigger bonuses and additional recruiters. What's more, by combining the war with aggressive tax cutting, the administration has ensured that the operation is paid for entirely by borrowing money on which interest will need to be paid. The shocking truth, according to Bilmes and Stiglitz, is that if one applies the Congressional Budget Office's basic assumptions about the duration of the conflict ("a small but continuous presence"), it will cost nearly a staggering $1.27 trillion dollars before all is said and done.

    The number is so high as to defy human comprehension. All the numbers ending in "-illion" sound the same. But a trillion is what you get if you spend a million dollars a day ... for a million days. That's 2,737 years -- a cool mil a day, every day, in other words, until the Year of Our Lord 4743. Or, working backward, from the time when Homer wrote the Iliad up to now.

    The $270 billion in rounding error is worth another 750 years at the million-a-day rate. That takes us up to the year 5493 -- or back to when Moses fled Egypt.

    Anyway you slice it, it's a lot of money. More than enough to fund any sort of "too expensive" pie-in-the-sky liberal domestic scheme. Universal preschool, for example, clocks in at about $35 billion annually -- cheap enough to get 37 years' worth. But Bush never said invading Iraq would educate our children or fight domestic poverty, so let's not even get into that, for now.

    What the President did promise was the following: that regime change would curb nuclear proliferation, weaken al-Qaeda, and create a shining beacon of democracy. What happened? We eliminated a nuclear program that didn't exist, encouraged Iran and North Korea to speed theirs along, offered terrorists a gigantic recruiting opportunity and training ground, and turned Iraq into a venue for chaos and civil war plagued by death squads and offering local despots a handy cautionary tale about the dangers of liberalization.

    For $1.27 trillion, we have our hands full in a quagmire; the world hating us; worldwide acts of terrorism on the sharp rise; and much more. We could have done better. Much better. You might even say a trillion times better. Economists use the term "opportunity cost" to refer to the cost of an endeavor in terms of the opportunities that endeavor foreclosed. Iraq foreclosed advancing important humanitarian goals, killing and capturing terrorists more effectively, eliminating nuclear threats, and securing the homeland among other goals. Here are 11 ways it could have been different -- and still could be, come January 20, 2009

    Yeah but war is so fun! It is worth mortgaging the future for.

    even better, let's cut and run and have no future at all!!!

    Well we are four years into this war in Iraq, all should be completely peaceful now. 2000 years of fanatical religious war should be solved in four.

    War would be a lot cheaper and quicker if we could fight correctly. Thanks to the Vietnam hippie commie media douchebags that are now the mouth pieces for every editorial board and every newscast we never get credit for not shooting into mosques or preserving so called museums. Instead we get a Time magazine reporter who takes the word of an Iraqi over those in the military and now we have the Haditha incident.

    Its hard fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back (thanks Murtha, Kerry, Dean etc...). We fought a similar war against a similar type foe in the Japanese, and two very large bombs solved the world's problem. Its my big bomb creates stable democracies theory of the geo-politik.

    >War would be a lot cheaper and quicker if we >could fight correctly.

    What do you mean by fight correctly? Atomic bombs for instance? I bet the iraqi's are sure glad they get us instead of Saddam.

    "Well we are four years into this war in Iraq, all should be completely peaceful now. 2000 years of fanatical religious war should be solved in four."


    Gosh. maybe it wasn't such a good idea to jump into the middle of all those fanatical religious wars.

    that stupid monkey fucks up everything he touches.

    Well we are four years into this war in Iraq, all should be completely peaceful now

    maybe we should stay another four years, then we can pay a million dollars a day for the next 8000 years. Whoohoo! Gotta love those cut and spend Republicans.

    >that stupid monkey fucks up everything he touches

    That's not fair he was a good business man.

    Saddam only killed about 400,000 of his own. Man are you stupid.

    "Saddam only killed about 400,000 of his own. Man are you stupid"

    So if we fight correctly and drop a nuke how many do you think will get killed? I'm sure when the nukes fly iraqui's will say, "Man, this sure beats Saddam!" Oh the rate of iraqi's dying per year has been double under the occupation. So give us time maybe we can catch Saddam."

    P.S. man you are stupid.

    "Saddam only killed about 400,000 of his own. Man are you stupid"

    So if we fight correctly and drop a nuke how many do you think will get killed? I'm sure when the nukes fly iraqi's will say, "Man, this sure beats Saddam!" Oh the rate of iraqi's dying per year has been double under the occupation. So give us time maybe we can catch Saddam."

    P.S. man you are stupid.

    Newsflash: People die in war. That is why it is called war, not peace. I'm sure we plan on being at war for at least another 1996 years.

    Looks like the big bomb theory would save time and money, and according to you, lives. Hey three outta three aint bad.

    "Newsflash: People die in war. That is why it is called war, not peace. I'm sure we plan on being at war for at least another 1996 years."

    Well I'm sure the Republicans plan on being at war that long.

    "Looks like the big bomb theory would save time and money, and according to you, lives. Hey three outta three aint bad."


    And that's why the iraqi's would rather have saddam back. because lunatics like you want to kill iraqi's much more than he did.

    And as for the G-8 buffoonery, the little half-wit acted like the spazzy kid with ADD playin' President at United Nations Day in third grade. There was his bizarro treatment of the elected Chancellor of Germany like she was a secretary who had typed too many letters. Look at the pictures of this buffoon as he heads over to Angela Merkel to give her a brief shoulder grab/rub. First look at his eyes, those dead, cold eyes, like Karloff's Frankenstein's monster, or the kind of eyes of someone so immune to human contact and warmth that he only wakes up when watching a particularly gruesome snuff film, where sick fucks jack off on the body parts of a Mexican woman they just chopped up.

    Merkel's reaction, though, is not just one of pain, not just one of "What the fuck do you think you're doing?" It's a look of frustration, of supreme irritation, of having picked up after a child time and time again but the little fucker just thinks it's funny to keep dumping shit on the floor. It's almost like she wants to say, "Focus, you dumb fuckin' shitkicker wannabe. There's goddamn wars going on and you're wanderin' around, acting like we're a toilet paper corporation deciding if we wanna put flowers or butterflies on our new brand." And then Bush walks off with his zombie stagger, blank stare drawing him to the next embarassment.

    So, if there was any doubt left for anyone, all the shine and polish and spin in the world ain't gonna cover-up the fact that we are back to where we were in that pre-9/11 mindset -- beforeeverythingchanged -- that made us think, "God, please just don't let him blow up the whole fuckin' world before the stupid fuck is outta there."

    Looks like the big bomb theory would save time and money, and according to you, lives. Hey three outta three aint bad


    Uh no, wiping out a a nation is not a way to save lives. or free the iraqi's - Your second stated reason for this war( After you found no WMDs.)

    donuts will make you fat.

    Looks like the big bomb theory would save time and money, and according to you, lives. Hey three outta three aint bad.

    if you think like an idiot ... you follow an idiot ...

     
     


    "First look at his [President Bush's] eyes, those dead, cold eyes, like Karloff's Frankenstein's monster, or the kind of eyes of someone so immune to human contact and warmth that he only wakes up when watching a particularly gruesome snuff film, where sick fucks jack off on the body parts of a Mexican woman they just chopped up."

    See what drugs do to your brain?-- you start writing stuff like this and think it passes for reasoned argument. Although, I think U. of Colorado has an opening since Ward Churchill left, but not sure they will hire someone named "Anon"-- I think you will have to give them your real name.

    "See what drugs do to your brain?-- you start writing stuff like this and think it passes for reasoned argument"

    I don't think he meant it as a reasoned argument. i think he meant it as an insult.

    I love the way leftists are mad at our President for talking down to Euroweenies!

    Oh NO! Bush said Yo Blair (wringing of hands)!

    I have news for you lefties. Blair needs us more than we need him. In fact, the funny little Islamists in his country are strangling his Government. Blair is a friend, but in no way an equal. Why worry about Bush talking to him in a colloquial manner? And Blair's absurd desire to broker a peace between Hezbullah killers and Israel should have been summarily dismissed. It is bad enough Bush sent Rice to Israel.

    As for Merkel, she runs a socialist crap-heap of a country with a disturbing past and an undoubtedly disturbing future. So what if he tried to lighten up the mood by goofing around with these clowns? For God's sake, these Euroweenies are a complete mess and an obstructionist force like no other. If I were Bush, I'd treat them even worse.

    If you leftists love Europe so much, and you respect their leaders so much, and you want to bend over backwards to please them, then get the Hell out of here and live in France or Germany. That way, when Chirac blames Israel for getting rid of terrorists, you can applaud. Then when the Islamists burn your car, you can berate yourself for not caring about them enough. Or when the Germans increase your taxes and free Islamic terrorists who killed Americans, you can stand up and cheer. Maybe you would like to hang in Russia with Putin?

    The grass is always greener with you lefties, but I never see you make a move. Nope, you just sit here trying to change this country into a socialized paradise like your beloved Europe. I wish you would all cut out the middle man and emigrate.

    Merkel is a fat pig, Chirac is a back-stabber, Putin is a cockaroach, Blair is a poodle, and the Japanese guy rocks!

    i love the rightwing nut jobs. You guys deserve a swift kick in the nuts.

    What a brilliant response!

    donuts wrote: "Newsflash: People die in war. That is why it is called war, not peace".

    People die in peace too.

    Merkel is a fat pig, Chirac is a back-stabber, Putin is a cockaroach, Blair is a poodle, and the Japanese guy rocks!

    And with an attitude like that, you perpetuate the "Ugly American" stereotype that haunts all of use whenever we leave this country.

    Why do you think so many Americans claim to be Canadian when travelling in Europe? It's because people like you make the rest of us look like uncivilized boors.

    "And with an attitude like that, you perpetuate the "Ugly American" stereotype that haunts all of use whenever we leave this country."

    Ah, yes! The "ugly American!" How about looking at what the Europeans do? You know, like when the Germans release terrorists who have murdered Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Ali_Hammadi). How about the fact that these Germans just happen to be descendants of murderous Nazis? How about the fact that the Germans sell technology and weapons to maniacs?

    As for the despicable French, do you need me to catalogue their sins?

    The grotesque Soviets masquerading as reformers are despicable as well.

    Keep worrying about how we "look" but never look at the people you want to impress. I can see you parading around socialist Europe so ashamed of your country, all the while ignoring the horrid behaviour of your European idols.

    Indeed, you are not worthy of American citizenship. Please get on a plane to Europe as soon as possible. If you work really hard, you can lose your accent and become one of them.

    All Eurolovers, listen to your hero:


    "Hollywood star JOHNNY DEPP is so shocked by the riots raging through France, he's considering abandoning his home in the country. . . He says, "It's insane, that setting cars on fire is the new strike. . . ."I went there (to France) to live because it seemed so simple. Now it's anything but. I don't know how they'll recover from this."


    Typical leftist weasel. He runs off to live the life of a King in the suburbs of Paris, all the while screaming that his native country sucks. As soon as riots come within fifty miles of his chateau, he is ready to bail! What a clown!

    Leftists love to impose their disasterous ideology on everyone, then cry foul when the "chickens come home to roost." Like parasites, they travel from host country to host country, infecting societies with absurd ideas and demanding the implementation of grandiose plans. I wonder if viruses complain about the weakness of the host organism while they kill it?

    More news on another lefty hero, Hugo Chavez. Remember, this is the guy under whose regime Cindy Sheehan would rather live than to live in the United States. Chavez is now cracking down on freedom of the press in Venezuala and going after those who disagree with him.

    "Gonzalo Marroquin, head of the IAPA press freedoms commission, said the most serious threats were new laws allowing the government to close media outlets that violate strict broadcasting norms and reforms increasing prison sentences for libel and slander."

    "Criminal investigations involving several Venezuelan journalists _ most of them outspoken Chavez critics _ seem aimed at intimidating the media, said Marroquin, publisher of Prensa Libre of Guatemala."

    "Several high-profile journalists, including newspaper editor Patricia Poleo and TV host Napoleon Bravo, are facing criminal charges for offenses ranging from libel to homicide."

    "The journalists claim government-friendly prosecutors and judges have targeted them with trumped-up charges to silence their criticism."

    How about that, loons? You live in a country where you make ridiculous claims like "Bush took away my civil liberties" and yet you have the freedom to get on this site (or any others of your choosing) and call the President "Chimp" and much worse with impunity. How long do you think Orange Boy would last under a Chavez led regime if he spewed the same unhinged hatred for Chavez as he does for President Bush?

    I agree that we should not say bad things about the premieres of other countries! I mean, imagine how we would feel if they did that to us! We'd call them "ugly Europeans," right? I mean, Europeans attacking our leaders is no different from Americans attacking theirs, right? Right lefties?

    Yeah, that's right hypocrites, run for cover.

    righties is so stupid.

    Great response from the intellectual elite! Yes, "are" should have been used. What about the rest of the post?

    you make ridiculous claims like "Bush took away my civil liberties"

    + + +

    FEMA MUZZLES KATRINA VICTIMS FREE SPEECH
    Intimidation Used to Quell Reports of FEMA Incompetance

    MORGAN CITY, La. -- Residents of trailer parks set up by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house hurricane victims in Louisiana aren't allowed to talk to the press without an official escort. In one instance, a security guard ordered a reporter out of a trailer during an interview in Morgan City. Similar FEMA rules were enforced in Davant, in Plaquemines Parish. FEMA spokeswoman Rachel Rodi wouldn't say whether the security guards' actions complied with FEMA policy, saying the matter was being reviewed. But she confirmed that FEMA does not allow the news media to speak alone to residents in their trailers. "If a resident invites the media to the trailer, they have to be escorted by a FEMA representative who sits in on the interview," Rodi told the newspaper for its July 15 report. "That's just a policy."

    Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said FEMA's refusal to allow trailer-park residents to invite news media into their homes unescorted was unconstitutional. Hundreds of trailers at FEMA parks sit empty and unused in Louisiana. Officials in Morgan City estimate that FEMA has spent about $7.5 million to build the trailer park but that only about 15 of the 198 trailers are being used. "We all wonder why no one lives there," Matte said. FEMA officials refuse to say how much was spent to build the park or why 183 of the trailers are vacant. "We're not going to talk about cost," FEMA spokeswoman Rodi told the newspaper.
     

    Dear Fascists Muzzle Free Speech,

    That does indeed seem like a stupid policy, but how is Bush to blame? Is not FEMA run by Chertoff? You know, the guy who was unanimously voted in?

    As for the "chilling effect" this will have, can't these people living on the Government's dime walk outside of their trailers for interviews? I doubt all free speech is eliminated by one stupid rule, but nice try anyway.

    "Great response from the intellectual elite! Yes, "are" should have been used. What about the rest of the post?"

    He is twisting a line from bugs bunny dum dum

    Hey lefties, here is an article about one of your European pals:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3278919,00.html

    "In Spain, anti-Semitism is new leftist trend"

    Madrid: Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, Prime Minister of Spain and Secretary General of the Socialist Party, arrived to power at a time nobody expected, not even inside the Party.

    Keen on populist tirades against the United States "Dickhead Bush" and "Ketchup Queen Kerry", his whole campaign did not bring much attention until the moment Al-Qaeda decided to blow up Madrid trains, killing almost 200 people and bringing to an end Spain's membership of the West.


    Notice the Palestinian Kaffiyeh around his neck.


    But whatever we do, we shouldn't insult them! That would make us "ugly Americans"

    INVADE the SPANISH INVADE!

    I doubt all free speech is eliminated by one stupid rule, but nice try anyway.
     

    hmm ... sounds like you are willing to give up some of your free speech, as long as it's not all. how much are you willing to give up in the name of protecting your fearful self?

    "He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither." -- Ben Franklin

    No, I am not willing to sacrifice anything, and I said the rule is a stupid one. Don't forget, I also asked you how you know Bush is responsible for the rule.

    If it is a real rule, then any freeloader in the trailer park can sue and undoubtedly win, or step out of the trailer and give a ten hour interview to womever he wishes.

    Now, you may think this is a conspiracy. I see a rule created by an inept beurocracy. Before you jump up and scream, "so you admit Bush is incompetent," realize that our beurocracy is the same for Democrat and Republican administrations. That is why socialists are insane for believing in Governmental growth and taxes.

    So, in short, this is nothing more than a stupid rule and is in no way a threat. The Kelo decision, which allows Uncle Sam to take your house and land for private use, is a threat.

    Anon, I began this thread by pointing out the exisiting state of civil liberties in Venezuala under Chavez and how you should be grateful for the freedoms you have in our country. You want to compare a bureaucratic rule by one small agency to the opression of the dictatorial Hugo Chavez who is instituting nation wide restictions on free speech and intimidating and ruining the lives of political dissidents by trumped up criminal charges? Get real.

    In the FEMA story you cite, to the extent that anyone was silenced, it was on the orders of a low level security guard. I would really question whether these security guards got the interpretation correct of the FEMA rule concerning contacts with the press. The rule that does seem to be in place is that the press members who wish to speak to residents on FEMA government property must do so with a FEMA rep present. No one is silenced or threatened or has civil liberties taken away. I would imagine that FEMA is simply trying to ensure that it's side of the story is presented since it knows that most reporters are there to dig up horror stories.

    Anyway, talk to me about your man Hugo down in Venezuala and the open society he is propmoting that is so loved and adored by Cindy Sheehan. Looks like to me that with Arafat dead and Castro with one foot in the grave, the left needs a new terrorist/socialist crackpot icon to get behind. behind. Hugo is your man.

    Your comments regarding Rumsy are music to my heart. It's about time someone said it the way it is!

    Brovo, Brovo, Brovo x 1,000,000