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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    July 20, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JULY 20, 2006

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • MIDEAST WAR DEVELOPMENTS: Mark Potter, NBC correspondent
    • PRES. BUSH PROBLEMS: FROM MIDEAST TO IRAQ TO DOMESTIC FRONT: Howard Fineman, Newsweek
    • BARRY BONDS INDICTMENT WATCH: TJ Quinn, New York Daily News

    NAME

    "For This Spin, Great Thanks"

    He had to look long and hard, but the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann found some spin to spout in the opening spiel:

    Is anybody happy with the administration's stance toward the hostilities? A conservative think tank now blasts Mr Bush's foreign policy.

    #5 began with Olby noting a television interview with Nasrallah, "the Secretary-General of Hezbollah", as KO put it. Keith gave much play to Kofi Annan's call for a cease-fire, but Mark Potter dismissed it. After Potter's report ("Again Mark, great thanks"), a taped report from NBC about the evacuations. Olby followed it with a few clips from the recently returned. One Tarek Dika talked about the bombings in outraged terms, but KO didn't bother to tell viewers that the guy is a radical pro-Palestinian political activist (Vice-Chair of "Students Allied for Freedom and Equality").

    The #4 slot began with yet another clip from Kofi's UN speech, a response from John Bolton, and an alleged Condi Rice summit to plan for a cease-fire. For honest, down-the-middle, spin-free analysis, Olbermann dug up a newspaper reporter...from a Lebanon newspaper! Gotta hand it to Olby--he'll scour the earth to find someone to parrot his spin. And there's no question it's his spin, since KO stated flat out to Hisham Melhem:

    Unfortunately, we have no indication that Israel is anywhere near seeking a cease-fire.

    Whom would a cease-fire benefit? The terrorists and the aggressors who attacked Israel in the first place. So KO wants to do exactly that which would most help their cause. As for the return of the hostages? To quote OlbyFave Kos: Screw 'Em! And let's not forget to find something here that's bad for Bush:

    Right now it does not seem to be overwhelmingly evident that the Bush administration is overwhelmingly interested in influencing anybody in the region...what risk does that put the Bush administration at in terms of, of having influence on what happens yet?

    Melhem delivered anti-Israel talking points, and KO was, of course, awed by his perspicacity ("Great thanks for your insights tonight, sir"). Gag! Next came a taped report from Pete Williams on Hezbollah in the USA. KO was appreciative ("Pete Williams in the Washington newsroom, great thanks"). Um Keith, Pete was on tape. He couldn't hear you.

    The #3 story was about the horrible situation the conflict has placed Bush. Yes, that's right, we're back to it being "Mister" Bush's crisis again. A Vice-President of the American Enterprise Institute is mad at the administration, and on OlbyPlanet that means the entire right wing of the party is deserting him. This one person's statement in an interview is what KO elevated to an opening spiel headline. And now that can be seen to have been a lie. It was not a "conservative think tank" that spoke out against Bush--it was one person. Sometimes it's instantly obvious, sometimes it takes a while, but eventually every one of Keith's untruths will be exposed as another Olbermann lie.

    So frantic was Krazy Keith to concoct anti-administration propaganda, he tried to spin the catastrophic situation in Darfur. Today "Mister" Bush called on Sudan to approve a UN peacekeeping force, but to KO it was a chance for a cheap shot:

    You know things are bad when the administration's global crisis of choice is Darfur, the one eclipsing all others in terms of sheer carnage.

    So if "Mister" Bush ignores Darfur, that's bad. If "Mister" Bush focuses on it, then "you know things are bad". Heads, Olby wins. Tails, "Mister" Bush loses. Krazy went on:

    In another sign of desperation perhaps, "Mister" Bush finally addressing the NAACP.

    With Fineman present to conform to the planned spin of the night, loaded questions were hardly necessary, but KO never could resist:

    Is there anyone firmly in the President's corner these days?

    Have we ever seen an administration facing so many different kinds of crises all at the same time?

    No attention paid this week to the, to the blocking of the inves-, the revelation that the President blocked the investigation by the Judicia-, the, uh, the Department of Justice into the NSA spying...is there some cover that's been provided the President inadvertently here?

    After the interview concluded ("As always sir, great thanks for your time"), it was time for Barry Bonds Is Still Not Indicted. Sort of an analogue to Krazy's fevered Karl Rove coverage, who is also still not indicted. KO interviewed TJ Quinn ("As always sir, great thanks for your time"). Then on to head-butting and the two-faced kitty.

    In the Media Matters Minute, Mr Bill again because blah blah blah, and it's blah blah blah. Brock put up Olby's video from yesterday right on schedule, so tonight's deathless commentary will appear within the next 24 hours, as contracted.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (77) | | View blog reactions

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    Excuse me if you have already seen this, but why hasn't this been on Oddball:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cover/news/2000/11/30/yankees_yir/

    Second baseman Chuck Knoblauch was in the throes of a throwing crisis that saw him commit all 15 of his errors this season in 51 games between April 8 and June 28. He hinted at retirement after three gaffes in a game on June 15, and he nailed Fox Sports anchor Keith Olbermann's mother, Marie, in the head with an errant toss two days later.

    So the son takes a subway door to the head, while the mother fields a baseball with her skull. What a graceful family!

    I say a conspiracy is afoot. Was there a second thrower near the dirty mound? Did Knoblauch try to kill her?

    Yes Knoblauch was a covert spy for the George Bush and Fox News. It does not matter it happend in 2000. Damm man don't let the facts get in the way!

    By the way......LOVE THAT PHOTO!!!!

    You know, regardless of what he thinks of the man, to constantly refer to the President of the United States as "Mister" instead of "President" is disrespectful and unprofessional at best. I don't care what your personal opinion of him is, he's the democratically elected leader of the free world, show a little professionalism. And the lefties wonder why the ratings are in the basement...But then again, we're talking about KO.

    From Olby's Wikipedia entry on the Knoblauch bean:

    Bill Scheft of ESPN the Magazine commented, “I think I speak for the whole ESPN family and sports fans everywhere when I say, ‘Wrong Olbermann.’” Olbermann, an employee of competing cable network Fox Sports Net at the time, blasted Scheft on his radio show the next day, calling him “swine.”

    Heh, not loved by some of his peers, either.

    Hey Wake Up - Did you see the video of Mr. Bush greeting Putin at the G8 meeting with "Hey Vladimir!" (Suppose Putin's allowed to say "Hey George."? Did you see Bush chewing with his mouth open, talking with his mouth full, and feeling he had every right to go rub on the German Chancellor? Disrespectful and unprofessional at best. As well as an embarrasment to this country. Bringing dignity back to the office of the Presidency indeed. He ought to be referred to as Georgey Boy.

    Just curious, if the democratically elected government of Lebanon collapses after the Israelis are done, how do you guys feel about that?

    How dare our President say "Hey Vladimir" to a man of Putin's stature! He is a true people's hero who has kept assassinations at an all time Soviet low! And as far as his love of Iran and desire to sell them weapons and nuclear info, so be it! Ad how dare Bush touch that Aryan princess from Naziland! Oh the shame!

    We need Clinton back. He brought dignity to the White House when he wasn't being impeached for lying about shoving a cigar in the vagina of one of his 18 year old employees.

    hit_escape --

    Do you suggest Israel leave Hezbullah armed to the teeth on its border? What would you do if someone in your neighboring town had missiles pointed at your house and kept sending people in to blow themselves up? Why not admit you think Israel should not exist?

    Lebanon can always rebuild. The bigger issue is getting rid of foreign influence once and for all. Hezbullah has managed to create a state within a state and has undue political influence. That needs to end no matter what.

    Birdman--

    I would bet that that baseball hit the right Olbermann. After all, that woman whelped the monster.

    So far, there is no evidence that the government of Lebanon is failing.

    However, the democratically elected government of Lebanon has abrogated its responsibility to control and disarm Hezbollah. Now they have said they will fight alongside Hezbollah if Isreal crosses the border to do the job Lebanon has failed to do.

    So, in the words of that great political pundit, Kos: Screw'em. International security and defeating the terrorists trumps maintaining a democratic, yet ineffective and complicit government. A democratically elected

    Iran and Palestine have democratically elected governments, which also support terrorism. Would it be a huge problem if Hamas lost power, or that wack job Ahmadinejad? Hugo Chavez is democratically elected, too.

    The bleeding heart leftists shriek that after more than 50,000 Iraqi deaths and 2,500 American, Bush has never apologized for the loss of life. Why should he?! The brave Americans lost were gladly doing their duty defending America, and the Iraq collateral deaths, though tragic, are the unintended consequence of a noble war of liberation. And Bush has said as much in speeches he's given, so why should he apologize? It matters little that a terrorist thug like Nasrallah had a temporary moment of civility and apologized for the unfortunate death of two children. Give me a break, how transparently political. Suicidal terrorists don't have any regard for life. Besides, he had the gall to call them martyrs! That just shows the kind of cunning barbarians we're fighting against.

    HEZBOLLAH LEADER APOLOGIZES FOR 2 CHLD VICTIMS

    (CNN) -- Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah apologized for an attack that killed two Israeli Arab children in northern Israel, saying the youngsters were "martyrs for Palestine." In a Thursday interview with Arabic-language news network Al-Jazeera, Nasrallah accepted responsibility for the Wednesday attack, while conceding that an apology to the family was not sufficient.

    "To the family that was hit in Nazareth -- on my behalf and my brothers', I apologize to this family," he said. "Some events like that happen. At any event, those who were killed in Nazareth, we consider them martyrs for Palestine and martyrs for the nation. I pay my condolences to them."
     

    HEARD ON MSNBC - PRES. IS BOARDING AF1 TO LEAVE D.C. FOR WEEKEND.
    WHERE IS HE GOING AND WHY?
    WHY CAN'T WE COUNT ON OUR "LEADER" TO STAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND AT LEAST ACT LIKE HE IS IN SOME KIND OF LEADERSHIP POSITION? THE SITUATION WITH THE MIDDLE EAST AND IRAQ WARRANTS THIS! DON'T YOU THINK? OR IS IT 9/11 AND KATRINA ALL OVER AGAIN?! CLEARLY THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED A THING FROM PAST MISTAKES. IS HE GOING TO A FUND RAISER? GONNA PLAY SOME GUITAR WHILE THE MIDDLE EAST BURNS!?!?

    HEARD ON MSNBC - PRES. IS BOARDING AF1 TO LEAVE D.C. FOR WEEKEND.

    for chrissakes, stop yelling -- your point is moot (although i wish it was mute). he was just in germany for the g8 summit. so either he's gonna kick back at the ranch or he's heading to a fundraiser. your shril vacuous point detracts from the noble liberal cause.

    Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record
    With Long Sojourn at Ranch, President on His Way to Surpassing Reagan's Total

    Wednesday, August 3, 2005; Page A04

    WACO, Tex., Aug. 2 -- President Bush is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- nearly five weeks away from the office, loaded with vacation time. The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening to clear brush, visit with family and friends, and tend to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.

    The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.

    You're right! Clinton was smart! He would just relax with those interns and other close female freinds at the Hotel while on White House buissness.

    George Bush takes Airforce One to see his parents. What a lowlife!

    yes, every time someone from the left criticizes Bush, let's compare their point to Clinton.

    I just can't believe NBC news hasn't pulled the plug on Tonya. Waaay overdue. Pravda was more balanced. This is one of the the most amazing journalism stories I have ever followed, a major new org with a long news tradition. You have to question Brokaw - for all those years, Russert and Williams now. I mean if NBC News finds it OK to let Tonya break the basic journalisitc laws of integrity EVERY night - then they surely must have felt it appropriate to do so in the past - and with all other "news people" now. I don't need to defend O'Reilly - but how in the world can NBC let this immature nonsense go on. This is surreal. Please Brian Williams and Tim Russert - don't criticize anything in America until you clean up your own embarassment right in your own studios. I don't want to heardaily critiques about Rice, Rumsfeld, Bush & Co when you have this goon on at 8:00 primetime.

    Basically half the nation that voted - voted for Bush. That's a lot of people. Conservs have shown little ability to demonstrate passion and organize it's cause - but the new media is changing that. You won't see Repubs and Conservs marching in the streets of Washington, burning flags or holding demonstrations
    Easiest way for conservs to "talk back" is with their pocketbooks & a lot of money in conservs pocketbooks. Time is a commin' when the advertising on these biased shows is not going to increase sales - but will actually decrease revenues. Capitalism. Stockholders - the owners of the public companies. Hey GE, starting today, I won't buy a thing that is advertised on Tonya's show, I'll buy the competitors products. Income Statments, Balance sheets, Statemnt of Cash Flows, CFO's - money matters. Then you make a "business decision" to put on in primetime a guy who alienates and insults half the population of the US. Never a penney again to ANY advertiser to any show on NBC - until this guy goes.

    Republican lawmakers acknowledge that it is no longer tenable to say the news media are ignoring the good news in Iraq and painting an unfair picture of the war. In the first half of this year, 4,338 Iraqi civilians died violent deaths, according to a new report by the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq. Last month alone, 3,149 civilians were killed — an average of more than 100 a day

    Keep rootin' for those terrorists! What is their killing average? Do you have your Topps terrorist cards? Ooooooh don't we all hope they win?

    yes, you're either completely 100% against the terrorists or complete 100% for the terrorists. ('cause that's the way the world works).

    Explaining why people are authoritarian in nature.

    manner, the child is prevented from developing a genuine, authentic sense of self. As he grows older, this deadening of his soul desensitizes the child to the pain of others. Eventually, the maturing adult will seek to express his repressed anger on external targets, since he has never been allowed to experience and express it in ways that would not be destructive. By such means, the cycle of violence is continued into another generation (using "violence" in the broadest sense). One of the additional consequences is that the adult, who has never developed an authentic self, can easily transfer his idealization of his parents to a new authority figure. As Miller says:

    "This perfect adaptation to society's norms--in other words, to what is called 'healthy normality'--carries with it the danger that such a person can be used for practically any purpose. It is not a loss of autonomy that occurs here, because this autonomy never existed, but a switching of values, which in themselves are of no importance anyway for the person in question as long as his whole value system is dominated by the principle of obedience. He has never gone beyond the stage of idealizing his parents with their demands for unquestioning obedience; this idealization can easily be transferred to a Fuhrer or to an ideology."

    "In the first half of this year, 4,338 Iraqi civilians died violent deaths"

    How about these numbers ??

    A YEAR IN AMERICA: 16,912 MURDERS; 92,837 RAPES AN ESTIMATED 84,563 AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MURDERED SINCE 9-11...

    And the US has had a democracy for 240 years.

    The biased media is done- stick a fork in em. Conservs just won't support their advertisers.

    NY Times stock price - 22 1/2. 5 year low.

    "The Bush adminstration suffered an enormous defeat today, as a federal district court denied its motion to dismiss the lawsuit brought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation against AT&T, which alleges that the administration’s NSA warrantless eavesdropping program (and AT&T’s cooperation with it) is illegal"

    Whooohoo! Looks like unlike J$ there are a few people who still beiieve in the 4th amendment.

    Iraq’s population is roughly one-tenth that of the United States. Can you imagine the state of all-encompassing hysteria that would have descended on this country (to say nothing of martial law) if more than 1,000 Americans were being killed every single day — or if 31,490 Americans had been killed last month alone?

    "Keep rootin' for those terrorists!"


    Go terroist!! Please kill the poster of the above.

    Now don't get upset Like BO on SF I am only kidding.

    Jerry Falwell's book, Strength for the Journey: An Autobiography:

    There were times that Dad's pranks bordered on cruelty. One of his oil-company workers, a one-legged man he nicknamed "Crip" Smith, complained about everything. Dad and Crip's co-workers got tired of the old man's bellyaching and decided to take revenge. One morning Crip called in sick and Dad volunteered to send by lunch to his grateful but suspicious employee. Dad and his chums caught Crip's old black tomcat, killed it, skinned it, and cooked it in the kitchen of one of Dad's little restaurants. They called it squirrel meat and delivered it to Crip on a linen-covered tray. When Crip returned to work the next morning, Dad and his co-conspirators asked him how he liked his meal. They knew he would complain even about a free home-cooked lunch, and when Crip called it "the toughest squirrel meat" he had ever eaten, they were glad to tell him why.

    Consider once again that first sentence: "There were times that Dad's pranks bordered on cruelty." "Bordered on cruelty." That is the strongest condemnation that Falwell can offer -- Falwell, supposedly a "man of God," devoted to spreading a gospel of love, compassion and kindness -- with regard to an act of indescribably horrifying cruelty. Try to make real to yourself the psychology of a man who would kill a man's pet, cook it, and then serve it to him for lunch -- and no doubt get a good laugh out of it. And he did all this because he was tired of the other man's complaints. To call it monstrous does not begin to capture the deeply evil nature of such a psychology. Furthermore, Falwell still feels compelled to refer to it as a "prank" -- thus minimizing its authentic, almost ungraspable horror

    But in this passage from Falwell's autobiography, provided you appreciate the underlying psychological dynamics (which you can also see in many people you know, although hopefully not with regard to this extreme an example), you see the first denial, the denial that makes all the others possible and necessary -- the denial of the monstrous cruelty and inhumanity of our parents (when that is true, as it is in this case), so that we will not have to question their goodness or the "kindness" of their intentions, or the fact that whatever they might have done to us as children, they were doing it "for our own good." And all of this is done to avoid the further necessity of questioning authority, and to maintain the mechanism of obedience.

    How about these numbers ??

    A YEAR IN AMERICA: 16,912 MURDERS; 92,837 RAPES AN ESTIMATED 84,563 AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MURDERED SINCE 9-11...

    And the US has had a democracy for 240 years.

    The biased media is done- stick a fork in em. Conservs just won't support their advertisers.

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    yes, if you consider that america is one tenth the size of iraq, then america's 20,000 dead annually from murder would only be 2,000 dead annually in iraq.

    so if iraq is losing ten times that much -- 20,000 dead annually in a chaotic war -- what's the big deal? can't those stoopid loonie lefties do math! that's just the price of freedom, and freedom's on the march!

    using his House Government Reform subcommittee on national security to vent criticism of the White House's war strategy and new estimates of the monetary cost of the war. Rep. Gil Gutknecht (Minn.), once a strong supporter of the war, returned from Iraq this week declaring that conditions in Baghdad were far worse "than we'd been led to believe" and urging that troop withdrawals begin immediately.

    Try to make real to yourself the psychology of a man who would kill a man's pet, cook it, and then serve it to him for lunch -- and no doubt get a good laugh out of it. And he did all this because he was tired of the other man's complaints.

    Bush and his oil derrick buddies would get a HUGE laugh out of this.

    Oh Yeah, Moonbat?! Well, Bill Clinton stuck a cigar up a woman's you-know-what and desecrated the Oval Office with it, and lied to the American public about it, and let Osama go, and is an even worser person that our decider and WOULD PROBABLY LAUGH AT IT TOO, you stoopid moonbat!

    "Whom would a cease-fire benefit? The terrorists and the aggressors who attacked Israel in the first place."

    - Gosh, Johnny. How about the civilians who are dying? But, when you support a president who doesn't give a rip about 50,000 dead Iraqi civilians, it's no surprise wouldnt bat an eye about a bunch of dead Jew and Muslim civilians, would you?
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    "to constantly refer to the President of the United States as "Mister" instead of "President" is disrespectful and unprofessional at best."

    - No it's not. As long as your first reference to a president is as 'President Bush,'... then it's perfectly acceptable to afterwards refer to the aforementioned simply by their last name. The fact that Olbermann uses 'Mister,' actually goes beyond what typical news protocal calls for.
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    "So far, there is no evidence that the government of Lebanon is failing."

    - Then you're ignorant. This government is hanging on by a thread. All the major news agencies say so, including FOX.

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    "However, the democratically elected government of Lebanon has abrogated its responsibility to control and disarm Hezbollah."

    - Now you're just double-talking. Either the Lebanese gov't is doing just fine... OR it can't control Hezbollah. Which is it? For those curious, those two sentances came back-to-back in the original thread. Wake up, Syria and Iran is controlling Hezbollah... the Lebanese gov't is helpless right now. In fact, Hezbollah is gaining public support in Lebanon because its the only group helping refugees.
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    "Iran and Palestine have democratically elected governments, which also support terrorism. Would it be a huge problem if Hamas lost power"

    - Wait! NO! Bushie fought hard for those elections in Palestine! Why would you want to undo all the good work el-Presidente Bushie did there?
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    "The bleeding heart leftists shriek that after more than 50,000 Iraqi deaths and 2,500 American, Bush has never apologized for the loss of life. Why should he?!"

    - Gosh, maybe to try and win support from a country we're occupying and killing off at a rate of 100 per day. Not that an apology would do any good. We are, after all, killing civilians at a faster rate than the terrorists now. Way to go Bushie!
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    "The brave Americans lost were gladly doing their duty defending America"

    - Yes, I'm sure if you ask any mother, father or wife of a dead US soldier how happy they are their loved one is dead from a pointless war we were lied to in order to launch, that most the country populous is against, and has done nothing but ruin our credibility world-wide... i'm sure those family members mourning their loved ones deaths are thrilled that soldier - as you said - 'gladly did thier duty definding America."

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    " and the Iraq collateral deaths, though tragic, are the unintended consequence of a noble war of liberation."

    - 'Noble war of liberation'? There's nothing noble about his war. We're not liberating anyone. Saddam has been gone for a while. We are 'occupiers' now. Our soldiers DONT want to be there. Iraqi civilians dont want us there. If you think this war is nobel and liberating, i pray for you and your waning raionale.
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    "so why should he (Bush) apologize?"

    - I guess when you don't think you done anything wrong by causign the deaths of 50,000 civilians and 2,500 soldiers... you don't have to. But, it MIGHT look good, at least.
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    "You're right! Clinton was smart! He would just relax with those interns and other close female freinds at the Hotel while on White House buissness."

    - No. Clinton was busy winning Nobel Peace Prizes.
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    "Basically half the nation that voted - voted for Bush. That's a lot of people."

    - Two points... Basically half the nation DIDNT' vote for Bush. That's a lot of people, too.

    - And, as I've said before... Bush was REELECTED by the smallest margin of any incumbant in US history. That says something.

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    "Keep rootin' for those terrorists! "

    - Once again, some ignorant fool thinks being critical of one entity (our gov't) means we're rooting for another (terrorists).
    This is both wrong and short-sighted. NO ONE wants terrorists to win. But, some like myself, want our own gov't to be held accountable as well.
    If you can't grasp that, I hope you dont' teach children.
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    "In the first half of this year, 4,338 Iraqi civilians died violent deaths"

    How about these numbers ??

    A YEAR IN AMERICA: 16,912 MURDERS; 92,837 RAPES AN ESTIMATED 84,563 AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MURDERED SINCE 9-11..."

    - Iraqi population is about 28 million. US popultion is about 300 million. And it's not really applicable to compare domestic murder to an alleged 'LIBERATION GROUP (US Military) which is KILLING THE PEOPLE IT'S MEANT TO BE LIBERATING!!!

    **** I do not for one minute believe Iraqi civilians are being killed intentionally. Our troops are good people. But, these deaths are the consequence of BUSH'S WAR, HE STARTED. ****
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    As I said, just wondering. It looks like the slash and burn mentality is alive and well here. As president Clinton said, the sooner you get people to stop killing each other, the sooner you can make peace.

    Apparently, Israel is massing troops on the border. Will Israel occupy Lebanon and later stand-down when the Lebanon military stands-up? That seems to be an excellent strategy they could employ.

    On vacation now. Have a nice week.

    Amazing resolve lefties! Keep pushing the numbers! I love the lefty above who sarcastically wrote:

    "yes, you're either completely 100% against the terrorists or complete 100% for the terrorists. ('cause that's the way the world works")."

    Tell us lefty, what percentage in favor of the terrorists are you then? Talk about a crazy leftist!

    People die all the time. Iraqi civilians died like flies before we showed up, mostly from Saddam, disease and each other. Now they mainly die at one another's hands. Seems like an improvement to me.

    By the way, you ignore the fact that Iraqis now have a choice. If they decide to stop killing one another, the violence ends. So why is it our fault if the Iraqis choose sectarian violence? In the end, these people have been killing one another for a long time. If anything we have decreased the yearly death totals and given them a chance to live in peace if they so choose.

    As for the crazies posting Falwell quotes here, what is the point? Exactly who cares what he says? And that post "explaining why people are authoritarian in nature" is absurd and presumptuous. What is wrong with you leftists?

    "Oh Yeah, Moonbat?! Well, Bill Clinton stuck a cigar up a woman's you-know-what and desecrated the Oval Office with it, and lied to the American public about it,"

    - But, you would rather have a president lie about a war that winds up killing, when all is said and done, hundreds of thousands of people? You're priorities are WAY out of whack.
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    "and let Osama go,"

    No, he didn't let him go. There were missed opportunities to get him, yes. Mistakes, say, like Bushie IGNORING A BRIEFING THAT STATED AL-QAEDA DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN U-S. Few months later - BOOM goes the world trade center. But, I guess that briefing was overlooked.

    gee, the moonbats are out in force today.

    "People die all the time. Iraqi civilians died like flies before we showed up, mostly from Saddam, disease and each other. Now they mainly die at one another's hands. Seems like an improvement to me."

    - If you don't give a shit about the lives of these people then whey do you so ardently support the presidents and his crazy mission to allegedly 'bring freedom to Iraq' You obviously don't care about them... it's been proven Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Why do you give a shit about the mission if you dont care about the people we're allegedly liberating? Answer, you dont. You just care about defending a president with an R after his name. You're blind.

    FOX Commentator Threatens 9/11 Activist

    O'Reilly suggests he should be "floating in the river"

    Duluth, MN (PRWEB) July 21, 2006 -- Bill O'Reilly, the host of "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News Channel, has suggested that Kevin Barrett, an outspoken 9/11 truth activist, belongs "in the Charles River floating down".

    The University of Wisconsin sent a representative. Even though it was announced and the public was welcome, no one from Nass's office bothered to attend. It would have been the perfect opportunity to ask him questions about his positions and the reasons why he holds them.
    James H. Fetzer, founder and co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a non-partisan society of more than 300 members dedicated to exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11, said that the absence of response from the FCC, Fox News, and the national media speaks volumes about the state of the nation. "When public threats can be made to a citizen's life for expressing his opinions on a controversial topic and neither the government nor the media respond," he observed, "that is a sure sign we are living in a fascist state."

    O'Reilly couched his remarks in the context of assailing other academicians who have asserted that the government had a role in bringing about the events of 9/11, a claim to which he takes strong exception. He attacked the leadership of the University of Wisconsin, which has reviewed the case and will allow Barrett to teach a course this fall. During his program on 11 July, O'Reilly remarked, "This guy would have been gone at Boston University, my alma mater, in a heartbeat. The Chancellor there, John Silber, would of--would have--this guy'd be in the Charles River floating down, you know, toward the harbor." He implied that allowing Barrett to teach at BU "wouldn't happen" but "at the University of Wisconsin there are no standards. . . . I'm stunned."

    "What's stunning is that this man, who knows nothing about the events of 9/11 apart from what the government has told him, nevertheless assumes unto himself the role of judge, jury, and (it even appears) executioner!" Fetzer added. "This is a travesty, an astonishing violation of academic freedom, freedom of speech, the right of the people to be free from assault." Verbal threats, he observed, are assaults, especially when, as in this case, they endorse physical violence against a citizen. Barrett, who was alerted to the threat by David von Kleist of The Power Hour, has replied by writing to Rupert Murdoch, who owns Fox News, suggesting that if he were killed as a result of these remarks, "Fox News would find itself facing the mother of all lawsuits, and my family might very well end up in control of the Murdoch fortune."

    For reasons that are not entirely obvious, Barrett's public affirmation of governmental complicity in 9/11 had drawn intense attacks from the right wing. A Wisconsin state legislator, Steve Nass (R-Whitewater), for example, has called for him to be fired and has even introduced legislation that would overrule the determination of the Provost of the University of Wisconsin-Madison that Barrett be permitted to teach a course on Islam this fall in which 9/11 will be discussed. "Kevin and I presented a joint session on 9/11 during the Midwest Social Forum held in Chicago on July 9, 2006," Fetzer said. "The University of Wisconsin sent a representative. Even though it was announced and the public was welcome, no one from Nass's office bothered to attend. It would have been the perfect opportunity to ask him questions about his positions and the reasons why he holds them."

    An author who has published "The Amateur Parent", a book on child-raising practices, has had a similar experience. Because of an article in The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that appeared on June 29, 2006, he began to research the subject to ascertain exactly what Barrett believed had happened on 9/11. By visiting the web site of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, st911.org, he discovered that Barrett and many other faculty and experts have concluded that the impact of the planes and the temperatures of the fires were inadequate to cause the collapse of the Twin Towers, which came down at rates of speed and in patterns of destruction that were compatible with controlled demolitions, a finding recently reinforced by the discovery of residue of explosives on steel remnants.

    According to his "Exposing the 9/11 Conspiracy Wingnuts", Bill Douglas, the author, called the office of Rep. Nass and asked to speak with someone who could address the issues. "I asked if he was familiar with the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website, and he replied that they had learned of it this week." Douglas explained some of the reasons the society held its position and asked if Nass would comment. "The gentleman responded that no, they had not looked at this information, and this would not be something they would look at, further indicating that anyone who made such charges was blinded by their hatred of President Bush." Fetzer said, "This is buffoonery. The melting point of steel is not Democrat or Republican and the hottest temperatures that jet-fuel-based fires can attain does not depend upon the identity of the President of the United States."

    Douglas, whose article is archived on st911.org, discovered that a substantial group of distinguished experts, whose credentials he summarizes, share Barrett's views. He also found that the members of the society had what appear to be rather good reasons for questioning the official government account. Their critics, on the other hand, display astounding irrationality. Noting that Rep. Nass wants to fire Barrett without looking at the evidence, Douglas observed, "To fire someone for presenting facts, facts that you dispute, yet have no idea what those facts are, and are unwilling to look at them to find out what they are . . . is also insane. As someone who writes on parenting issues, as a concerned parent as well, America should also consider retiring our insane government officials who fire people for facts they aren't aware of and are unwilling to look at. . . ."

    Fetzer agreed. "Most Americans don't even realize that the official government account of 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airliners under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan is itself a conspiracy theory", he said. "We are critics of the government's theory, which appears to be indefensible in every significant detail. Their names were not on the passenger manifests. None of them was subject to any autopsy. They could not have flown the planes. Those cell phone calls would have been impossible at those altitudes and speeds. The American people are being played for saps", he added, wistfully. "All we want is for the nation to know the truth about its own government, which had the motive, means, and opportunity to pull off 9/11."

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb414099.htm

    lots of crystal clear thinking from the right ...

    • People die all the time.
    • Iraqi civilians died like flies before we showed up, mostly from Saddam, disease and each other.
    • Now they mainly die at one another's hands. Seems like an improvement to me.
    • In the end, these people have been killing one another for a long time.
    • If anything we have decreased the yearly death totals and given them a chance to live in peace if they so choose.


    by Michael Gregory Steele
    Today’s moral mailbox question comes to us from “A Christian Hater for God”:

    Which should I hate more: Democrats or homosexuals?

    I can only afford to make so many "You're going to burn in hell"
    signs, and I would like to know on whose lawn I should place them to guarantee my eternal salvation.

    Thank you for your unerring moral advice
    Well, “Christian Hater,” the first problem I see in your email is the implication that people have a limited capacity for hate. This simply isn’t true and you’re more than capable of casting your net of animosity as wide as you need. It certainly isn’t as impossible as you make it seem to hate everybody that’s different from you.

    Well, perhaps I’m making it seem deceptively simple. There is quite a bit of effort that goes into constantly reaffirming your own superiority to any person or group of people. It can down-right exhausting finding examples of ways liberals, non-Christians, gays or minorities are inferior to you. The eventual payoff though is huge.

    Just think of how it will feel to have Jesus whisper this into your ear:

    ”You’re far better than the unsaved rabble that will spend eternity in Hell. You’re one of my chosen few. You’re special.”

    I still get chills whenever Christ says this to me.

    Now, on to your question of whether you should spend more effort hating liberals or homosexuals. This question of course needs to be rephrased since all homosexuals are liberals and very few liberals are not homosexuals. Regardless, everyone contained within either group is deserving of as much of your hate as you can muster. The real question though is which group’s agenda you should spend more effort trying to impede. So let’s examine them both first.

    The homosexual agenda calls for the dissolution of the family, the corruption of our children, and the promotion of depraved sex acts like bestiality and non-procreative heterosexual sex. The liberal agenda on the other hand calls for the removal of Christianity from American life and a system of anarchy brought on by the victory of our terrorist foes.

    I think it’s pretty clear that if the goals of the liberal agenda are met then the battle against the homosexual agenda is already lost. So my advice to you, “Christian hater,” is to hate both liberals and homosexuals in equal measure but devote more of your time working toward stopping the liberal agenda. Silence those liberal traitors anyway you can, be it through intimidation, subterfuge, or good old fashioned lying. Remember, the Lord is more than willing to overlook a series of minor sins if they are committed to ensure that America remains a godly nation.

    anon,

    so what is your point? I guess you agree with me?

    As for this stupid comment:

    "If you don't give a shit about the lives of these people then whey do you so ardently support the presidents and his [sic] crazy mission to allegedly 'bring freedom to Iraq' You obviously don't care about them."

    No, I don't care about them the way you do. I don't care about them enough to leave them oppressed and disease ridden at the mercy of a psychotic Dictator and his child raping sons. I don't care enough to leave the Kurds waiting for the next chemical attack. And that Iran-Iraq war that killed over 1,000,000 people was nothing in comparison to the sectarian violence we see today.

    No my leftist pal, I am a realist. I think that freedom is best for the Iraqi people. I was debunking your argument that somehow the US has made things worse for them. I should have realized that leftists are the ones who really care, like Castro, Che, Chavez, Stalin, and you.

    Point of clarification:

    I was talking to the insane "anon" who posted at 12:49 PM, not the certifiably insane "anon" who posted at 12:55 PM. I will let someone else waste time with that more recent and more bizarre post from left field.

    I was debunking your argument that somehow the US has made things worse for them.

    and getting better all the time!

    promised the cruelest fate for people of different religions?

    A. The Moslem god, because the Christian god would never harm anyone simply because he was raised in a different religion.
    B. The Moslem god because he curses anyone who does not believe in him.
    C. The Christian god because he condemns non-Christians to everlasting destruction.
    D. Both are equally vicious. Both gods have utter disdain for all other religions and condemn the followers of those faiths to eternal damnation.

    2. Whose god orders the most violent plight for nonbelievers while on Earth?

    A. Neither. Neither god believes in violence.
    B. Neither. While both gods will punish nonbelievers on Judgment Day, neither prescribes harming them while on Earth.
    C. The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all those of a different religion, including family members, friends and even their cattle, whereas the Moslem god simply required the enslaving of nonbelievers.
    D. Both gods issued equally violent orders.

    3. Whose god orders the cruelest warfare?

    A. Neither god speaks of cruelty in warfare.
    B. Obviously, the Moslem god, since the Christian god never endorsed warfare.
    C. The Moslem god because he ordered his followers to imprison and enslave their enemies temporarily.
    D. The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all the men in the towns they invaded, enslaving only the women and children (who sometimes were to be slaughtered as well, along with every other living thing in sight).

    4. Whose god has the least pity and most contempt for the enemies of his followers?

    A. The Moslem god because the Christian god advocates nonviolence and continuous forgiveness.
    B. The Christian god because he orders his followers to kill all their enemies, regardless of their actions, without pity.
    C. The Christian god because the Moslem god forbids his followers from striking enemies who do not fight and orders peace with those desiring it.
    D. B and C.

    5. Whose god has more contempt for homosexuals?

    A. The Moslem god, because the Christian god judges people on how they treat others and not on their sexual orientation.
    B. The Christian god because he demands that homosexuals be killed whereas the Moslem god, though demanding punishment of homosexuals, spares those ultimately intimidated into suppressing their natural passions.
    C. The Christian god because he condemns homosexuals to Hell whereas the Moslem god promises resurrected men beautiful young boys in Heaven.
    D. B and C.

    6. Whose god has prescribed the more vicious physical punishment of sinners?

    A. The Moslem god because the Christian god never told His people to harm anyone physically.
    B. The Moslem god because he ordered his followers to apply more lashes to sinners than the Christian god did.
    C. The Christian god because he actually ordered the greater level of beating.
    D. Both gods ordered the same level of violence to be perpetrated against those who violated the gods’ arbitrary edicts.

    7. Whose god should you fear most?

    A. The Moslem god because the Christian god is not to be feared at all.
    B. The Moslem god because he deserves to be feared.
    C. The Christian god because while Allah may be worthy of fear, God not only kills those who rub Him the wrong way but sends them to Hell as well.
    D. They’re both equally terrifying.

    8. Whose god places the least value on the lives of women?

    A. Neither. Both gods view women and men as equally important.
    B. The Moslem god, for he says females deserve less than males.
    C. The Christian god, for he places lesser value on the lives of women.
    D. This is basically a wash. Both gods view women as far less worthwhile than men.

    9. Whose god puts women in their place with the harshest of restrictions on their speech?

    A. The Moslem god because the Christian god recognizes the equality of the genders and allows women to speak in any forum.
    B. The Christian god, for he requires women to learn in silence and forbids them to speak in church.
    C. The Christian god because he forbids women to teach, requiring them to learn from their husbands, whereas the Moslem god allows women to speak out against their husbands and he hears their complaints.
    D. B and C.

    10. Whose god is the champion of deceit?

    A. Trick question. The gods of both religions are completely honest.
    B. The Moslem god for he leads sinners to believe lies so they may be damned.
    C. The Christian god for he leads sinners to believe lies so they may be damned.
    D. Neither wins for both “B” and “C” are true.

    Good job James, like all the other red-blooded lefties out their, you totally ignore reality. In the real world, there is a difference between being ABLE to do something and ACTUALLY DOING IT.

    I know your interpretation of my post makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and superior. Unfortunately, it just plain ol' wrong.

    Letter to James Dobson:

    "I have spanked my children for their disobedience, and it didn't seem to help. Does this approach fail with some children?"

    oh great, more moral relativism from the loonie left. when are you american haters going to get it through your thick heads that WE are better than THEM. it's so simple, right-to-lifers are better than right-to-suiciders. suiciders are for killing and bombing and suiciding and virgins, you stoopid moonbat. and that is NOT an oversimplification. it IS simple. you just don't get it. america is for truth, justice, and the american way. just like superman (but not the new, gay superman ... the old george reeves superman, you know, the one who killed himself, but not with a suicide bomb, 'cause that's assymetrical and wrong and stoopid and evil).

    Jame Dobson Answer:

    Children are so tremendously variable that it is sometimes hard to believe that they are all members of the same human family. Some kids can be crushed with nothing more than a stern look; others seem to require strong and even painful disciplinary measures to make a vivid impression. This difference usually results from the degree to which a child needs adult approval and acceptance. The primary parental task is to see things as the child perceives them, thereby tailoring the discipline to his or her unique needs. Accordingly, a boy or girl should never be so likely to be punished as when he or she knows it is deserved.

    In a direct answer to your question, disciplinary measures usually fail because of fundamental errors in their application. It is possible for twice the amount of punishment to yield half the results. I have made a study of situations in which parents have told me that their children disregard the threat of punishment and continue to misbehave. There are four basic reasons for this lack of success. ...

    "3. The spanking may be too gentle. If it doesn't hurt, it doesn't motivate a child to avoid the consequence next time. A slap with the hand on the bottom of a multidiapered 30-month-old is not a deterrent to anything. Be sure the child gets the message -- while being careful not to go too far."

    Jame Dobson Answer:

    In a direct answer to your question, disciplinary measures usually fail because of fundamental errors in their application. It is possible for twice the amount of punishment to yield half the results. I have made a study of situations in which parents have told me that their children disregard the threat of punishment and continue to misbehave. There are four basic reasons for this lack of success. ...

    "3. The spanking may be too gentle. If it doesn't hurt, it doesn't motivate a child to avoid the consequence next time. A slap with the hand on the bottom of a multidiapered 30-month-old is not a deterrent to anything. Be sure the child gets the message -- while being careful not to go too far."

    James Dobson Answer:

    The Key to Authoritarian additudes.

    This could not possibly be clearer: the explicit goal is to crush the child so that he will always be obedient to the parent.

    HEY! I thought this blog was about me! Now I have to go here to read about myself:

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30606722&postID=115334537036456737

    The Key to Authoritarian additudes Concerns you keith. These are the people trying to take you down for not paying attention to the great father in washington.

    Did you notice the American evacuees from Lebanon whining about " flies everywhere, no cocktails, sweat stains in peoples armpits.." It must have been awful. My guess is there were not a lot of conservatives in that bunch. Also, we've heard President Bush has declared himself " The Decider" . Sure, that sounds funny but it's true. Absolutely to the point. Ochams razor. It makes me wonder if Bill Clinton considered the fact that he, too, was " The Decider". That special first time when he had a choice. That very first time Bill decided to give up his genitalia to the 18 year old subordinate. " I am the Decider". Had that simple thought crossed his mind then and there, as she was reaching for his crotch that very first time, well, we might be living in a different world today.
    Heres some great pictures of Liberals Protesting:
    http://www.zombietime.com/world_naked_bike_ride_2006/

    Bush couldn't have been reelected because he wasn't elected the first time. He was "appointed" President.

    Each crisis is an opportunity to wage a war they wanted to wage. The president believes Iraq is a success story. No one will tell him anything else. He understands nothing, yet belives he knows better than everyone. "He thinks he is playing in a longer-term game than the tacticians

    he'll scour the earth to find someone to parrot his spin.

    This guy is actually all over the news including C-Span and CNN from what I've seen.

    Whom would a cease-fire benefit?

    How about the hundreds of innocent people dying? Way to invent another straw man that implies--guess what--that Olbermann is a terrorist supporter.

    I can't believe you're still harping on the "Mr." Olbermann uses; you stopped for a few weeks after you got called out on it by someone in the news (you use the term president once and then you can use the term Mr. after--standard practice).

    And now that can be seen to have been a lie.

    The word conservative think tank still applies whether you'd like it to or not.

    So frantic was Krazy Keith to concoct anti-administration propaganda

    Glad we got the daily "propagandist" line out of the way.

    You then take issue with things, but you never really explain why. Mainly the questions Olbermann asks to his guests:

    Is there anyone firmly in the President's corner these days?

    Is that not a valid question?

    Have we ever seen an administration facing so many different kinds of crises all at the same time?

    This is somehow a biased question?

    is there some cover that's been provided the President inadvertently here?

    Again, what's wrong with this question?

    Sort of an analogue to Krazy's fevered Karl Rove coverage

    A psychic now? Or maybe just a guy who likes jumping to conclusions.

    In the Media Matters Minute, Mr Bill again because blah blah blah, and it's blah blah blah.

    I smiled at this one. If I were like johnny dollar I'd say that this sentence must be a microcosm for all of these "reviews"--no information at all, but spin aplenty.

    >>Is there anyone firmly in the President's >>corner these days?

    >Is that not a valid question?

    Well In fairness Johnny Dollar is firmly in the presidents corner - and if the president got caught raping a baby monkey, while torturing a baby seal, and ruptutring a levy in New Orleans for a second round of Flooding - Johnny would probably stay there.

    i can't stop laughing from that last one ... too funny. and not only would J$ support Prezdent Prissy Beeyatch, he would find legal justification for the moron's actions (on accounta J$'s a former prosecutor and all that and really knows his law -- speshly all them 'mendments and torture provisions and signing statements and shit). too funny.

    You anonymous mouths spout the same shit over and over. IF.IF Pres. Bush did blah blah blah. But he DIDNT!! He threw Sodom and sons out and freed 2 countries.Deal with it.

    Gale. How long did it take to come up with that zinger. wowser how witty. you are going to go far on that 6th grade education. Congrats.

    He threw Sodom and sons out and freed 2 countries.Deal with it.

    14,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed this year alone (6,000 in just May and June). Iraqi police just stand and watch while civilians are attacked, the security forces are full of sectarian militias and Iraq's "coalition government" is about two steps away from disintergration.

    Meanwhile, the NATO Commander in Afghanistan states that his troops are short of manpower and equipment while a resurging Taliban is battling for control of the country's southern provinces.

    And if another crisis develops we don't have the resources to handle it.

    Yeah, sounds like we did a good job scooter.

    I think scooter is one of those guys whose father beat him into "respecting" Authority no matter how stupid that authority might be.

    scooter said, "He threw Sodom and sons out and freed 2 countries.Deal with it."

    - Free, huh? If our military were killing 100 Americans per day, how 'free' would you consider us?

    Let me rephrase that... I don't want it to sound like our military is killing Iraqis by the hundreds. They're not.

    What I meant to get across was...

    If 100 Americans were dying per day in an internal conflict (sort of like a civil war), how 'free' would you consider us?

    Freedom is making your own choices.Not the lack of conflict.You can be free in a country that is being torn apart by war. Freedom is independent actions. Slavery is group think...It takes a village crap-ola. So i can be free in a country like you describe and you couldn't be free in Switzerland. Its a mindset.

    Keep "rephrase"-ing things so you don't look so anti US military.WINK,WINK.

    You can be free in a country that is being torn apart by war.

    scooter, that makes NO SENSE - in war you either live or you die. That's it, and anyone will tell you that such a choice is no choice at all.

    you hopeless COWARD. SOME people actually volunteer to fight(jihadist and US servicemen) a war or stay and defend the homeland.Some just get caught up but even they are free to flee.Unless Hezblloah wont let them. Not everyone's a victim.Especially in the Mid-East.

    Wow a war torn muslim country what a shock. It's the way they live. If 14000 Iraqi's have been killed year to date thats sad but you can hardly blame the US for sectarian violence. We weren't in rwanda and muslims killed over a million, murder is a lifestyle for them.Its a death cult. I am not some Marshall plan rebuilder. i was for destroying most of the 2 countries we invaded with air power and leaving them in the ruin they deserve. But since we went in I think we should succeed. Not run under the porch like a scared puppy dog like you all preach.

    We weren't in rwanda and muslims killed over a million, murder is a lifestyle for them.Its a death cult.

    Someone needs to retake history - the Rwandan Genocide was not the result of a religious conflict but of an ethnic one as decades of resentment towards the Tutsi minority was carried out by the Hutu majority. No historian gives any credence to a theory that religion played a role in it.

    Rwanda Genocide
    Victims of Big Power's Effort to Stop Spread of Muslim Fundamentalism
    From The Exposure, No. 59, August, 1994, printed in East Africa.
    Typed in by Gratien Rudakubana (rudak@gel.ulaval.ca)
    "One sided arms embargo was a cover to assist RPF. It enabled RPF to send millions of Hutus into exile and kill thousands through diseases," says Hutu leadership.

    Next round of genocide may cost 2,000,000 deaths Hutus and Tutsis.

    More than four million Hutus fled Rwanda into exile to avoid being massacred by RPF. Thirty thousand have so far died from cholera. Main stream Hutus may be planning the next round of war which might provoke Tutsis, now controlling the army, to massacre Hutus in their millions.

    The world is puzzled as to why a minority of Tutsis was instigated by the international community to impose itself on the majority, Hutus.

    One version has it that for the last five years the big powers believed Muslim fundamentalism was poised to infiltrate sub-Saharan Africa, but it had to be prevented by installing in power leaders who are totally against the spread of Muslim fundamentalism.

    According to sources the Sudan is one sure conduit through which Muslim fundamentalism could penetrate down south. The US Government in 1993 issued a strongly worded condemnation of the Sudan Govt saying it was giving facilities to terrorists and Muslim fundamentalists.

    Thus, the US would be very happy to keep the Sudanese Govt fully busy fighting the SPLA thereby denying Muslim fundamentalism easy flow southwards. But the SPLA needs support and bases to operate from.

    The Sudanese Govt has on several occasions accused Uganda and Kenya of supporting the SPLA. Both Uganda and Kenya have denied these accusations.

    However, news sources have it that super powers would close their eyes to military supplies reaching both the SPLA and the RPF. Thus, the SPLA kept the Sudan busy, while the RPF got assistance to fight its war without interruption. It also got military supplies without interruption.

    It was a question of scratching each others backs. Let the SPLA get its military assistance without interruption, we also let the RPF get its military assitance without interruption.

    The massacres in Rwanda in April 1994 were a result of the assassination of President Juvenal Habyarimana. The assassination was the ignition of the massacres. The nearly 300,000 massacred were mainly Tutsis. But the extent of the massacres has infuriated the world to the extent that Hutu leadership is now an international outcast.

    President Clinton of the US announced that he was not ready to deal with a leadership that authorized its army to massacre hundreds of thousands of its citizens.

    The same view was held by Britain, France, etc. It is these powers which were in a position to stop the RPF but instead they engineered an arms embargo in the UN Security Council in April to deny the Hutu-led Govt weapons.

    The super powers were in dilemma as to whether the embargo should be applied to both belligerents. However, the arms embargo was applied to only the Hutu-led Govt. This one-sided application effectively allowed the RPF to continue receiving its military supplies while the Hutu-led Rwandese Government lost all supplies even those it had already paid for.

    Maintaining the arms embargo on Hutus effectively tilted the war in favour of RPF. And the Tutsi-led RPF used this opportunity very effectively. They made use of the long range artillery which caused such psychological havoc that the RPF acquired the whole country without heavy person to person contact. The Hutu-led Rwanda Govt army simply deserted areas wich the RPF were shelling from a distance of ten miles or beyond.

    And when the UN Security Council passed resolution 929 of June 22 1994 authorising the French army to intervene to protect civilian lives it was worded in such a way that the Hutus believed it was meant to effect a cease fire so that the belligerent parties would stop fighting and go to the negociation table.

    The Hutus believed the French had gone to stop the RPF from shooting at them. But the opposite turned out to be the reality. The French merely watched as the RPF intensified its military advance shelling Hutu-held areas even more viciously.

    It is under such devastating shelling that the Hutu population of over four million fled into exile rather than wait for the RPF to massacre them.

    The spokesmen of the super powers in Kampala said the Hutus should not have fled. They should have remained in the country. But reality shows that its a fool who remains in the path of the RPF army.

    Stories of RPF massacring people in its zones
    The over 40,000 dead bodies witch reached Uganda River Kagera originated from RPF held area. And the execution of innocent Archbishop and three Bishops in Kigali June 3, were not re-assuring to most Hutus. Thus, it is naive of the super powers to say Hutu civilians shuld not have fled when facing RPF shelling.

    The Hutus accuse the UN of siding with the RPF. In 1993 the UN stationed military team of 50 men to monitor the border between Uganda and Rwanda. It was intended to make sure the RPF does not get military supplies from anywhere. The Hutu Govt alerted the UN Security Council that the UNAMIR force is ineffective because it was not allowed to patrol the area independently. It had to first get permission and first alert the NRA three days in advance.

    The Hutu said this arrangement allowed the RPF to bring in men and equipment without interruption, but the Security Council ignored the report.

    Such occurence made the Hutus believe the UN was biased against them from october 1, 1990 when the RPF invaded Rwanda. Hutus then got prepared to defend themselves. So, when the Hutus fled in June in their millions they went with such bitterness at heart that it is impossible for them to reconcile to the humiliation they suffered under the minority Tutsis.

    On the other hand the Tutsis are so arrogant by nature that since 1959 when they were toppled from power they resolved never to accept to be ruled by their former slaves. Thus the Tutsis as soon as they went into exile they began regrouping and launching military incursions.

    This above scenario, this time with the Hutus playing the role of rebels is set to be repeated.

    The only difference is that whereas in the case of Tutsis, this time the Hutus do not have the support of the international community. Hutus are seen as monsters who allowed their army to massacre a million people.

    However, here the international community may be accused of showing double standards. The Tutsi-led RPF has sent four million people into exile which has resulted into so far 30,000 deaths, a precedent that is its own record, and yet the international community is showing no signs of blaming the Tutsis for effecting this nation-wide exodus.

    The scenario for massacring over two million Rwandese in future will follow the following procedure:

    In the RPF cabinet which was sworn in July 19, the most powerful man is Tutsi, Major Paul Kagame who is also the minister of defence. He is the overall commander of the armed forces and the architect of the RPF victory. He is fully aware that Hutus will plan a come-back. His assignment is to make sure there is no more Hutu successful military come-back.

    Massacring two million people
    Thus, he will do everything possible to make sure the Hutus do not have a chance for a successful military operation. To achieve this end he will give military training to Tutsi youths from a very early age. The adults will be recruited into the army and they will be armed to teeth.

    On the other hand the Hutus will also give military training to their youths in preparation for a show down. The Hutus are today in exile and they will use the opportunity to acquire military knowledge.

    The super powers may want to frustrate exiled Hutus from acquiring military knowledge, but it will not succeed. This is because what the Tutsi have acquired is of immense dimension to the extent that Rwanda's neighbours are uneasy about the determination of the Tutsis. In 1986 they toppled Milton Obote/Tito Okello Government and now they have toppled an established government in Rwanda. The question is, what is their next destination.

    This means, the Hutus will not be short of neighbouring countries to assist them. Some leaders are already saying that Tutsi must be stopped before they strike elsewhere.

    Thus, the Hutus will also get military assistance. This will mean two bitter armies will be facing each other inside Rwanda. The slightest excuse will be used to ignite the time bomb.

    And when the ignition is done, the two well armed armies will slaughter each other mercilessly to the extent that April 1994 will be a child's play.

    Some Hutu extremists have said the next round of the war will claim not less than two million people both Hutus and Tutsis.

    How could the UN fail to anticipate the disaster
    Considering the preparations for the massacres many observers are wondering how the UN, or the super powers with their sophisticated intelligence system, fail to anticipate the massacres that took place. And why couldn't the international community act to stop it?

    The same question might be asked today. The stage is being set for the next, more vicious massacres of both Hutus and Tutsis, why is not the international community taking steps to nip it in the bud?

    In an effort to stop the next round of massacres several facts must be taken into account.

    Fact One: The Hutus are the majority and the Tutsi are the minority. In democracies, it is the majorities which rule.

    Fact two: Tutsis persecuted the Hutus from time immemorial so that in 1959 Hutus revolted and overthrew the Tutsis. To reverse the achievements of these revolts will be like putting square peg into a round hole.

    Fact three: Tutsis are by nature arrogant to the extent that they are abhorred by Hutus. They must be educated to throw away their arrogance. They must accept to be ruled democratically.

    Fact four: RPF victory was based on outside assistance. The moment that support disappears, the Tutsi will not have military might.

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    Don't be naive COWARD. ISLAM puts it's stamp on most kill zone's nowadays.What a TOOL.

    Don't be naive COWARD. ISLAM puts it's stamp on most kill zone's nowadays.What a TOOL.

    YOU CALL ME COWARD? YOU ARE A PUNK, SCOOTER. A BIGOTED PUNK WHO'S TOO BUSY LOOKING DOWN YOUR NOSE TO CONTEMPLATE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO NOT FIT YOUR SMALL-MINDED PERCEPTIONS OF THE WORLD.

    YOU'RE JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CHICKENHAWKS IN THIS WORLD: YOU TALK TOUGH BUT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACT YOU LET OTHERS DO THE ACTUAL WORK.

    You know not what you speak of COWARD. I proved you don't have or understand freedom and you change subject's. You don't have freedom because of your closed minded follow the crowd mentality. Scared of your own shadow perpetual victim of your own limitations.
    But hey i am no chicken-hawk. I am a genuine tough guy,so be very careful speaking of things of which you are poorly informed. I'm bigoted because i have Islam figured out to a Tee. I back up my comments. You should try the same. Using all upper case what are you like 7 over something?WHAT A TOOL and DUMBASS.

    Hey and anonymous roll over and tell James i think the same of him. Would you do that for me?

    Can you be free when you expect the Government to feed and house you? Is that freedom?Hmmmm.

    scooter said,

    "you can hardly blame the US for sectarian violence."

    - sectarian violence increased dramatically when we arrived. can't dispute that.
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    "i was for destroying most of the 2 countries we invaded with air power and leaving them in the ruin they deserve."

    - you're a true republican, alright. just hope you dont' call yourself a Christian.
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    "tell James i think the same of him."

    - Tell me yourself you chickenshit. Up until two moments ago I've never personally insulted anyone on this blog.

    - If I gave one shit about you, you spineless, bigotted, racist, sorry excuse of a human being... I'd find you and make sure anything you had to say to me was said in person. Right before I put my foot in your ass.
    But, I dont care. And I got news for you, jack. Not a lot of other people do, either. You're a pathetic loser who uses personal attacks on people when you're either losing an argument or just don't agree with what they have to say.
    So, you 'genuine tough guy,' (God, I swear you still nurse your mother's tit using lines like that)... if you ever have anything to say to me that doesnt have to do with my opinion on ISSUES - find me personally, pull your balls out of your sisters mouth for two seconds and use them to try and insult me to my face.

    The reason I DONT insult peopel online (until you pissed me off now) is because it's the most cowardice thing you can do. Scooter, you know the one your insulting doesnt know who you are or where youre... so you can sit there typing insults with one hand and jerking off with the other, secure in the notion that no harm can come to you as a result of it. It's chickenshit. You call yourself a 'genuine tough guy.' Fuck you. You're a coward who can't do anything other than log sophomoric softballs at people you know you'll never come face to face with.

    You're not worth any more of my time. You fucking coward.

    James it was humor to include you. You and anonymous share the same dismal outlook of the US. Next time i reference you i will say it to you.
    James i never agree with anything you say. I think your a liberal leftist cocksucker. That being said I hope you can one day live in the sort of country you invision. May i recommend China or Pakistan to you. Because it will be over my dead body before i live in socialist hell hole.