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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    August 30, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - AUGUST 30, 2006

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • RUMSFELD SPEAKS: John Dean, Democratic National Committee
    • POLITICS AND THE GREAT LEAK CASE: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek

    What does it take for the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann to interrupt his vacation? If you think the answer is Donald Rumsfeld, think again. Countdown did their "analysis" of his speech with E.J. Dionne on Tuesday. So why did Krazy Keith show up tonight to attack Rummy over yesterday's news?

    Perhaps numbers tell the story. After bragging about how he is in second place in the "key demo", the August numbers show the trend that began months ago still continues. Olby is a poor, distant third (far behind his nemesis Mr Bill, and Paula Zahn for crying out loud) with viewers 25-54. And you don't want to mention total audience to Krazy Keith, where his dismal showing finds him in fourth place, with even the hyperbolic Nancy Grace attracting more viewers. What's a discredited sports guy to do?

    That's where the second element enters the mix. The blue blogs have gone ballistic over Rummy's comments to the American Legion, and KO, if nothing else, is a consummate opportunist. What better way to inch his way back into Nielsen relevance than a high-profile, uber-hyped Rumsfeld blitz, expressly fashioned for the thousands (well, hundreds maybe) of Kossacks and Huffers? They'll reward him with free publicity, and that will reinvigorate his core audience. Maybe even MoveOn.org will do another viewership drive to save his scalp.

    And the timing is ideal. Bill O'Reilly is off this week. This will be KO's big break! So it was that emails went out to the bluest bloggers, Olby promoted the assault on his low-rated radio program, and even got one of his hapless interns to stick something in his all-but-abandoned "blog". Olbermann's back, in style!

    The opening spiel featured, of course, Rumsfeld, but also made note of Brian Williams's interview with "Mister" Bush [1] (code phrasing for the Black Box buffoons). It didn't take long for Herr Olbermann to falsify what Rumsfeld said, hyping that he would be offering:

    A special comment on his attack on your right to disagree.

    Don't waste your time looking through Rummy's speech for where he said there should be no right to disagree. It ain't there. Olby made it a twofer, introducing a clip with this:

    Secretary Rumsfeld compared critics of the current war in Iraq to those who tried to appease Adolf Hitler and the Nazis before World War II.

    The clip of Rummy began thusly:

    once again we face similar challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism.... But some seem not to have learned history's lessons.

    Ah, the magic of editing. Krazy Keith wants his credulous cretins to take Rumsfeld's comments as relating to "critics of the current war in Iraq". But note those ellipses. What did Olby snip out of the clip?

    Today -- another enemy, a different kind of enemy -- has made clear its intentions with attacks in places like New York and Washington, D.C., Bali, London, Madrid, Moscow and so many other places.

    Remember, Olby has been whining for months about how Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. So when Rummy says something about the war on terror, mentioning a number of battlefronts but not Iraq, KO doctors the quote and claims it was all about Iraq. The Hour of Spin, indeed.

    Olby went on to reference "Mister" Bush [3] twice [4] in one sentence, talked about bombings in Iraq, then brought on his guest of honor, Dr Howard Dean. KO asked if it's possible to have Rumsfeld impeached, while Dizzy Dean spewed Kossian talking points. Another Keith reference to "Mister" Bush [5] led Dean into talking about the "war on the middle class", as Herr Olbermann permitted his guest to give a campaign commercial for the DNC. Keith then suggested that Democrats are too "tentative" in their opposition to the evil Bush administration--another bit of penetrating analysis from the "nonpartisan" Countdown "anchorman".

    Next Keith brought on the chairman of the RNC to give the opposing point of view. Hahahahahaaaaa! ROFL! Keith present two points of view? Not on OlbyPlanet. Our latest update of The List (partisan politicos and strategists interviewed on Countdown, identified by party):

    • May 22: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    • May 30: Rep Barney Frank (D)
    • June 9: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    • June 15: Bob Schrum (D)
    • June 16: Rep John Murtha (D)
    • June 19: Al Gore (D)
    • June 20: Sen Jack Reed (D)
    • June 20: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    • June 23: Al Gore (D)
    • July 5: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    • July 12: Barbara Boxer (D)
    • July 13: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    • July 26: Bill Richardson (D)
    • August 8: Daily Kos (D)
    • August 9: Joe Trippi (D)
    • August 30: John Dean (D)

    Fair and balanced KO then swerved into the "purported" terror plot in the UK. He noted that "15 have been charged": more artful OlbySpin, since three more were charged today. But rather than report that, he just tosses off the total number, hoping that no one will notice that more and more charges are filed as the investigation continues. Again he says the "alleged" plotters were not prepared to strike at the time of their arrest. Even here, Olby doesn't tell the whole truth. The key element in the timing of the arrest was the intercepted message from Pakistan: "Do your attacks now". For all his tin-foiling about why the arrests were made when they were, has Keith Olbermann ever once reported this salient fact? He sure didn't mention it tonight.

    After two teases for his "special comment" on Rumsfeld and Brian Williams with "Mister" Bush [6,7], KO was back with the #4 story. It was part two of Brian Williams and "Mister" Bush [8], like part one a rerun recycled from NBC. The #3 story was The Great Leak Case, where all the Rovian plots to discredit people crumbled because it was Richard Armitage, a critic of the Iraq war, who was the infamous leaker. Olby lied that the President spoke "bogus information" in the State of the Union speech, then made fun of Stephen Hayes, who will write Cheney's official biography. The Wolffe Man did his best to spin the Armitage news as not really disproving the "conspiracy to smear Joe Wilson", and KO replayed a clip of Bush talking about leakers for something like the 89th time. After some yucks over Frist and his medical license, the segment mercifully creaked to a conclusion.

    Two more teases for Olby's "special comment" preceded regurgitated NBC footage of an SUV rescued from flood waters, plus Katie Couric (KO's snark about the size of Couric's audience evidenced a particularly dense variety of chutzpah). Then Tara Reed, Paris Hilton, and Cruise News! Another tease for the "special comment", and then the Media Matters Minute: "comedian Rush Limbaugh" was the predictable "worst person" selection, for comments on obesity.

    Then the "special comment", held for a Big Finish to keep the blue blog believers tuned in until the last possible Nielsen minute. Rumsfeld is a "quack", dissent is "essential" (whoever said it wasn't?), and Rummy is like the Nazis because they both claimed to have "a monopoly on all the facts". Krazy went off into a history lesson about pre-war England, then said Rummy is like the British because he "demonizes" disagreement. With a straight, even grumpy, face, Olby sermonized:

    All voices count.

    One need only peruse The List above to see how fervently Keith Olbermann lives that philosophy. He ranted on about the presumed "omniscience" of the Bush adminstration, while ticking off old favorites like WMDs, UBL, flu vaccine, and Katrina. It's "arrogance" and "hubris", lectured Mr Humility himself:

    He, "Mister" Bush [9], Mr Cheney, and their cronies have, inadvertently or intentionally, profitted and benefitted, both personally and politically. And yet he can stand up in public and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emperor's New Clothes".... With what country has he confused the United States of America?... Men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag.... Earlier Americans always found their way to the light and we can too. The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense and this administration are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: the destruction of our freedoms.... This country faces a new type of fascism indeed.

    Hyperbole Alert! All of this is, of course, based on Keith's bizarre notion that Rumsfeld does not have the right to criticize people he disagrees with. But naturally, Herr Olbermann takes it to the next Kool-Aid level. The Evil Bush Crime Administration wants to outlaw dissent! If Rummy gets his way, and bans anyone who disagrees with him from being allowed to speak, America will end up like... like... like an hour of Countdown!

    NAME

    Update I: Thanks to HotAir and National Review for the links.

    Update II: Do you believe in coincidences? As Olby returned from vacation to level his much-hyped attack on Donald Rumsfeld, over at The O'Reilly Factor someone decided this would be a good opportunity to replay a segment with a helicopter cameraman (who happens to have a daughter named Katy).


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (280) | | View blog reactions

    280 Comments

    "Men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and "

    Oy, again and again with the Nixon and McCarthy references.

    Well at least he threw in Curtis Lemay as a changeup.

    Interesting that he failed to throw in, let's say Alger Hiss? Nah, the lefties won't like that reference.

    What is it with folks on the Left that if you criticize their criticism you are somehow silencing dissent?

    SMG

    Johnny,
    How do you stand to watch the show? I swear, I don't have the stomach to listen to Olby-spew. You must be one strong fella!

    Thanks for this great post and blog! Our DVD ended and turned back to the TV right as KO's "special comment" was beginning. My jaw nearly hit the floor. It was a piece of work for sure!

    By the way, poor you. How can you watch this program every night?

    That was the most shameful "news" program I have ever seen in my life.

    Jesus this guy really is crazy. If I were an NBC News division exec, I'd be pretty pissed, if I had any principles, that is.

    GE execs watch O'Reilly. That's why Olby still has a job.

    Well, at least the GE execs are getting some real news if they're watching Fox.

    Goodness gracious what an abomination that show has become. Jaw drop? Hell, my whole face almost ended up on the floor tonight.

    "This country faces a new type of fascism indeed"


    >

    Yes, indeed.

    Ayatollah Ulbermani'x special remarks were insane. He comapred the present administration to Chamberlain's and called it Fascist? Which is Jihadis lover. He once again defended the enemies of this nation by denying they're Fascist. Instaed he called this nation Fascist and Appeasers at the same time? It's people like the Ayatollah who deny the threat of Islamo-Fascism.
    He's auditioning for Al-Jazeera so that's why his facts are mixed up.
    What's next out of him Holocaust denial?

    This latest pack of lies is vintage Olby. The false outrage was the funny part.

    He could use viewers from Al-jazeera to help his numbers a bit. Maybe he is going for the "jihadi demographic."

    Jesus God.

    I am convinced that olby is on the brink of getting shit canned by dan abrhms that speech tonight seemed to well rehearsed and thought out to just be some normal rant i think he knows his day are numbered.

    More of the same...

    Did you watch how Keith actually admitted that he thinks he IS today's Edward R. Murrow?

    And that Rumsfeld segmet was almost EXACTLY like his O'Reilly rant from last summer. Taking the taking points out of context and turning them into hate-filled conspiricy-mongering propoganda.

    The speaker of truth he aint!

    mitchell,
    The Ayatollah made no logical sense.He called the government appeasers and Fascisst? He denied that our enemies are Fascist. He' s amouth peace for Iran/Al-Qaeda/Hizb'Allah! He's discredited himself and shouldn't be taken seriou. He's losing it, the historical analogies don't make sense since it's his side that deny the threat or support Islamo-Fascism!

    mitchell,
    The Ayatollah made no logical sense.He called the government appeasers and Fascisst? He denied that our enemies are Fascist. He' s amouth peace for Iran/Al-Qaeda/Hizb'Allah! He's discredited himself and shouldn't be taken seriou. He's losing it, the historical analogies don't make sense since it's his side that deny the threat or support Islamo-Fascism!

    I'm wondering what Olbermann's views were in the 1990s when liberals and Democrats in government were condemning "right wing radio"?

    Did he thinkg they were attempts to silence dissent?

    Yeah, right, who am I kidding?

    SMG

    All I can say is excellent writeup, johnny. All that online by 9:10!

    nick, you continue to crack me up, David Scheister, achoo!

    Guys, how can you call hm bias? Didn't you see all the shows he did on Bill and Monica? Seriously though I cant understand how anyone can watch this trash. Well to be fair Ray Nagin was nominated for WPITW for his comments on ground zero... oh wait no,no he wasn't. Course if "Comedian" Rush said he he would get the #2 story dedicated to it.

    Krazy Keith even did the "Weekend Update" exaggerated spin in chair and look to side camera during the end of show rant.
    He is Krazy Koooool!!!

    The Rumsfeld segment was the best TV I've seen in a long time.......Standing O for KO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yet another Krazy Keith Konspiracy.

    Bushy,
    He called Rumsfeld Appeasers and Fascists at the same time. it's Olbermann who denies the Islamic fascist threat so h's the appeaser. there was no logic in his speech except propaganda.

    Watching Olby's rant against Rumsfeld was one of the funniest bits of TV I've ever seen. Self-absorbed, pompous...it almost looked like a satire.

    The Rumsfeld segment was the best TV I've seen in a long time.......

    You think that if government officials criticize dissent, that is a form of fascism?

    So when Democrats in Congress in the 1990s condemned right wing talk radio, that too was a form of fascism?

    This is crazy. In no way is that fascism in any form.

    Absurd.

    SMG

    SMG- To clarify, KO was referring to the comments Rumy made about how if people disagree with the administration they are immoral and lack intellect. How is it if one diagrees with a goverment official they are labled as unamerica...isn't it more american to question our goverment and how it governs it's people whether they are REPUBLICAN or DEMORCRAT.

    Do us all a favor and enjoy the Flavor-Aid boys, just ignore the bitter taste.

    how if people disagree with the administration they are immoral and lack intellect

    But Rumsfeld didn't say that. He specifically pointed to types of dissent that he found illegitimate.

    Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that your characterization is correct, how is that in any way "fascism"?

    Rumsfeld is condemning dissenters. No one is arrested, no one is harmed, no one has any rights taken away in any manner.

    Again, when Democrats in previous administrations condemned right wing talk radio, was that wrong? When they said that the right wing hosts were hateful and racist and bigoted or mean spirited or intolerant, was that fascistic?

    Sorry, I don't see how government officials criticizing dissenters is dangerous. Maybe they shouldn't do it because it's too divisive. But Rumsfeld is hardly the first official in a democracy to attack critics (you ever read Churchill's speeches?)

    SMG

    bushy,
    How come Ayatollah Ulbermani never criticizes Iran/Hizb'Allah/Al-Qaeda ith the same fervor he attacks this government with?

    Eddy's post made me think back to Olbermann's previous MSNBC show. It's been several years, and I didn't see every show he did during his MSNBC tour of duty - round one, but from what I do remember, he seemed to be irritated that he had to discuss extramarital presidential sex. Morality and values were distressing topics for "The Big Show." About the Clinton/Gore White House, I don't remember them getting analysed, taunted, or ridiculed at all. And I don't remember an abundance of conservative guests from back then, either. Are there any transcripts available?

    If there had been "The Worst Person in the World" back in 1998, how many times would Clinton have been the victor? Survey says zero! How about Lewinsky? The votes have been tallied and the results show Monica coming in at 102.

    If "all voices count," then Olbermann must be using a double-headed liberal coin to determine who falls under the "all" umbrella.

    The "all voices count" declaration once again reminds me of Olbermann's comments after he ended his "period of editorial silence" last September after President Bush said "we are not satisfied" with the response to Hurricane Katrina:

    "I wonder which "we" he thinks he's speaking for on this point."

    "I don't know which 'we' Mr. Bush meant."

    Which voices does "all" represent to Mr. Olbermann?

    *Voices of people who want the war over today?
    *Voices of people who want terrorism to end?
    *Voices of people who sympathise with terror methods?
    *Voices of people who question Olbermann's motives?
    *Voices of people who defend his competitors?

    Does my voice count? Is "all" really all-inclusive?

    Or is he suggesting the very same thing he accuses others of doing? That the voices he so detests be silenced in order to allow his voice to be heard?

    Just as he questioned who constituted President Bush's "we" last year, it's time that someone questioned Olbermann's "all."

    Jeez. Accept the ownage he dished out and move on.

    Fascist!! You're trying to stifle dissent against Olberman!!

    Geezus, what's with you guys on the left? If someone thinks your views are stupid and attacks them, you cry "fascism" or "censorship".

    Hell, Olbermann's got no ratings so he needs to throw bones to the left to get that niche market. But even then, he's got no game.

    SMG

    Accept the ownage he dished out and move on.

    There you go stifling dissent.

    What is it with you folks on the Left that if someone criticizes your views that that is somehow stifling dissent or censorious?

    You don't actually believe that this is the first Administration to condemn critics?

    SMG

    He called the Government appeasers and Fascists at the same time! he denied there's any Islamo-Fascist threat! His reasoning is insane!

    How can any human being take himself as seriously as Olbermann does?

    He's literally becoming a lunatic.

    How can any human being take himself as seriously as Olbermann does?

    He's literally becoming a lunatic.

    The actual article's dissent was pitiful and it only got worse when the comments came in.

    I just heard today on my XM Radio that they are dropping MSNBC

    I was very proud of Keith Olbermann tonight. The man has guts. He has courage. Much more than Bush and Rumsfeld have combined. Wish he would run for President!

    I was very proud of Keith Olbermann tonight. The man has guts. He has courage. Much more than Bush and Rumsfeld have combined. Wish he would run for President!

    Steven, I agree --- here's a much better website to see KO on
    http://www.olbermann.org/ko/
    Check it out.

    Maybe we can get KO to run for President. He is much more competent than the a--hole we have in the White House now.

    Thank God for true patriots like Keith Olbermann.

    He is a lone voice in the wilderness of mass media (and complicity) and we need to support this man in anyway possible. I know I certainly will.

    God Bless true patriots like Keith.

    Steven Morrison and John,
    If the Ayatollah has guts why didn't he condemn the Iranian President who promised to wipe Israel off the map?
    Why didn't he condemn Hizb'Allah, but condemned Israel?
    I'll tell you why he is a Leftists Jihadis supporter!

    "Jeez. Accept the ownage he dished out and move on."

    The only "ownage" he dished was the (not so secret) revelation that he is too obtuse to grasp the basic concept of what Secretary Rumsfeld actually said. If he'd stop working on verbose commentaries and actually listen to what was said, he'd have a chance at gaining a smidgen of respect.

    Perhaps "all" was a bit much but 60% of Americans think this war in Iraq is wrong.

    Rumsfeld declared that those voicing dissenting opinions of the war were "Nazi appeasers" in a speech yesterday. So in essence, Rumsfeld just slapped 60% of Americans with a terribly nasty insult.

    I am glad Oberlmann fought back at this insult.

    Hell, you know all you need to know about KO by the fact that the moron has THREE striped patterns going at once. Suit. Shirt. Tie.

    Jesus Christ on a toasted bagel, who dresses this man? What's he trying to do--overload the video feed?

    What about when Olbermann uses the Nazi image for insulting his "competitor"? Is that okay with you?

    "Hell, you know all you need to know about KO by the fact that the moron has THREE striped patterns going at once. Suit. Shirt. Tie."


    His ensemble doubles as a test pattern.

    KO needs to go back to college and take a course in critical thinking. Wild swings at Rumsfeld passes off for serious analysis. This is playing for the MSNBC demographic gallery of anti-war morons. Indeed, a plausible argument can be made that al-Qaeda is emboldened by a dissent that parallels their own propaganda- that we American are the root cause of their grief and barbaric rituals:

    Obviously, not many on this post actually listened to Olbermann. Either that or you're just as stupid as the other 2/3 of the American people say you are.

    What a shame, but what did I expect when I came into this site? Hell, the sophomoric Dean and Olbermann graphics speak volumes to the calibre of thinking in this black hole.

    Thank you Keith Olbermann for speaking the truth tonight. The only fascism we have to fear is the fascist state of Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Cronies.
    Just like your president you koolaid drinkers don't have the guts or intelligence to admit you are wrong, you've always been wrong, and you are destroying America. The 65% of us are taking back the Congress and the country on November 7. Start your screaming and kicking and bitching now. After the impeachment we're sending your boys over to the Hague for their War Crimes Trials.

    Rummy's the real ass in this story.

    Rummy's the real ass in this story.

    What a friggin' moron! Olbermann doesn't believe anything he says, it's just hate he spews.

    Time to fire Olbermann. Hell, past time to fire Olbermann.

    Is Olby's "special comment" anything like his "special friend"?

    Olbermann had a well-thought out, analytical, thoughtfull response to Rumsfeld - who basically said "disagree with us and you're stupid."

    Olbermann's main point... "Disagreement and questioning is the basis of democracy."

    I have no problem with anyone who disagrees with Olbermann. None whatsoever. That's your right. But, if you don't like Olbermann because he disagrees with the administration... then you're a hypocrite.

    Just remember... it's very dangerous not to question a governing body. Soldiers keep us safe... and we all owe them much gratitude. But, those who question - the Murrows and other journalists... and to an extent Olbermann. They keep us safe, too. As a journalist myself, I'm proud to be someone who asks questions.

    For those on here who would prefer questions not be asked... and for those who agree with Rumsfeld that all those who question are confused... I pity you.

    Keith, it's still a democracy. You still get to do the show for your five viewers.

    I think you guys must have your heads screwed on. Olbermann has never claimed to be "fair and balanced". That's those masters of spin over at Fox. What's really sad is that even though Olbermann's basicaly the only liberal cable host with a show of his own (and the rest are repugs) there is still this insane myth of a left-wing media. Long live Countdown.

    Johnny Dollar,

    We have told you OVER AND OVER AGAIN that it PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE for the President to be called "Mister" so long as he is refered to as the President the first time the reporter mentions him.

    Get it through that thick head of yours - when Keith (or Bill O'Reilly or anyone else) does it, they are following THE STANDARD PRACTICE OF THE NEWS INDUSTRY!

    I'll tell you why he is a Leftists Jihadis supporter!

    I told you to prove it or shut up!

    You didn't, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    I SWEAR TO GOD YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SON-OF-A-BITCH HERE, PALPATINE! YOU HAD A TAKE. YOU SUCKED. END OF STORY!

    Krazy Legs Olbermann came back early and gave a warm and fuzzy to the cocoon of feverish olbyfans. Meanwhile, the great majority of Americans didn't know or care that he was gone in the first place.

    And still no word from Olby about the Fox News journalists being released. Just like Huffington Post.

    "Ah, the magic of editing. Krazy Keith wants his credulous cretins to take Rumsfeld's comments as relating to "critics of the current war in Iraq". But note those ellipses. What did Olby snip out of the clip?"


    I have provided for you what was conveniently snipped out of your post and also shows how even offended critics like you, cut posts to make their point. Oh yes, Rumsfeld was talking about current critics of the war.

    Rumsfelds quote:


    "Today's terrorists pose the same threat as yesteryear's Nazis; critics of the war in Iraq are like the appeasers before World War II; the real problem is that "the media" spreads "lies" and "myths" about how the war is going."


    "Ah, the magic of editing. Krazy Keith wants his credulous cretins to take Rumsfeld's comments as relating to "critics of the current war in Iraq". But note those ellipses. What did Olby snip out of the clip?"


    I have provided for you what was conveniently snipped out of your post and also shows how even offended critics like you, cut posts to make their point. Oh yes, Rumsfeld was talking about current critics of the war.

    Rumsfelds quote:


    "Today's terrorists pose the same threat as yesteryear's Nazis; critics of the war in Iraq are like the appeasers before World War II; the real problem is that "the media" spreads "lies" and "myths" about how the war is going."


    Olbermann had a well-thought out, analytical, thoughtfull response to Rumsfeld - who basically said "disagree with us and you're stupid."

    Olbermann's main point... "Disagreement and questioning is the basis of democracy."

    I have no problem with anyone who disagrees with Olbermann. None whatsoever. That's your right. But, if you don't like Olbermann because he disagrees with the administration... then you're a hypocrite.

    Just remember... it's very dangerous not to question a governing body. Soldiers keep us safe... and we all owe them much gratitude. But, those who question - the Murrows and other journalists... and to an extent Olbermann. They keep us safe, too. As a journalist myself, I'm proud to be someone who asks questions.

    For those on here who would prefer questions not be asked... and for those who agree with Rumsfeld that all those who question are confused... I pity you.

    Great job illustrating just how fond Olbermann really is of alternative viewpoints, Johnny.

    I'd add one thing-- Rumsfeld was not proposing any consequence whatsoever against those holding the viewpoints that he criticised in his speech.

    But what does Olbermann want to do to Rumsfeld for his expression of opinion? He wants him IMPEACHED.

    You just don't get more hypocritical or intolerant than Keith Olbermann.

    Yay Olbermann!

    Reality really bites the liars and delusionals in war-crazed Bushworld.

    Finally.

    You morons are a laugh a minute. Time to shove your collective heads back up Flush Limballs ass.

    Their once was a man who spoke the truth... But he was put on a cross and killed.

    Their once was a man who spoke the truth... but he was took poison and died to prove his convictions

    Their once was a man who told the truth. But we did not listen and it was our own voices that were silenced.


    Truth is painful Truth is hard.
    It hurts us inside but makes us free.
    How much pain must we endure before its true?

    With lances of fire we kill and we burn, we kill and we burn, at what point will we ever learn?


    How many bodies must we trample before we realize we have lost?

    How can you fight ideas?

    We fight Islam, they fight us. We both think we are right to use terror in the name of our lord. When will we realize we are equally wrong?


    Whatever happened to stats rights anyway....

    Keth, thank you. I’m going to quote something cheesy, but "People should not be afraid of its government, its government who should be afraid of its people."

    Make them fear, my intellectual friend.

    make them fear our intellect and our love of life. make them fear our wisdom and truth, for we are not pawns of king gorge any longer.

    revolution

    Their once was a man who spoke the truth... But he was put on a cross and killed.

    Their once was a man who spoke the truth... but he was took poison and died to prove his convictions

    Their once was a man who told the truth. But we did not listen and it was our own voices that were silenced.


    Truth is painful Truth is hard.
    It hurts us inside but makes us free.
    How much pain must we endure before its true?

    With lances of fire we kill and we burn, we kill and we burn, at what point will we ever learn?


    How many bodies must we trample before we realize we have lost?

    How can you fight ideas?

    We fight Islam, they fight us. We both think we are right to use terror in the name of our lord. When will we realize we are equally wrong?


    Whatever happened to stats rights anyway....

    Keith, thank you. I’m going to quote something cheesy, but "People should not be afraid of its government, its government who should be afraid of its people."

    Make them fear, my intellectual friend.

    make them fear our intellect and our love of life. make them fear our wisdom and truth, for we are not pawns of king gorge any longer.

    revolution

    And still no word from Olby about the Fox News journalists being released.

    I wouldn't be too quick to crow about that one if I were you. I hear quite a few of your more...well, insane...brethren are giving those two the same treatment they gave Jill Carroll shortly after her release (especially over on Michelle Malkin's blog).

    Funny how Olbermann looked like he was going to vomit during that "special commentary" diatribe. He was a little slurry too, tripping over words and generally makind (more) of an ass out of himself.

    Ah yes, the Murrow of our generation -- talking about Suri Cruise's poop.

    What a winner.

    Hitler called.

    He said Olby's imitation is making him look bad.

    I believe Olbermann is trying to get out of his contract the same way he did with Fox so he can soak in the bathtub for the rest of the year.

    I was very proud of Keith Olbermann tonight. The man has guts. He has courage. Much more than Bush and Rumsfeld have combined. Wish he would run for President!
    *****************************************

    If he has so much guts then why is he afraid to have anyone on that has a different view point?
    It's not courage when your views and a edited version of what someone else said are all that you show your Viewers(all 10 of them).

    And please spare me this claim that KO is the"only liberal cable host with a show of his own"..thats a crock,the left has CNN,NBC,CBS,PBS,NPR,MSNBC,CNBC,ABC,The New York Times,The LA Times,Time,Newsweek and Air America so lets stop that little lie right now!

    Look Olby had to come back. His new book is tanking faster than Paris Hilton's cd .

    Comming out 9-11-06 (what nut-job dreamed this as a release date?) amazon.com has the cut and paste book ranked at 37,638. It's gotten worse in the rankings as we've got closer!!!!!!

    But the BEST PART!....But The BEST PART!!!!!

    Under the heading of "What do customers Ultimately buy after viewing items like this?
    84% BUY! THAT'S RIGHT 84% BUY!

    CULTURE WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!

    Only 7% buy this crap from Olby!!!!!!!!!

    You see even most LOONS know when somebody is trying to sell them s**t!

    Except for the 7% escaped mental patients.

    Oh O'Reilly you ask?

    Ranked #1,140 (out 9-26-06)

    65% view and buy the book.

    5% view and buy Olby's book (theres those mental patients again.)

    Take heart Loons those Karl Rove indictments should be showing up any minute now!!!

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.....L...O...Fn....L!!!!!!

    Nick's photo shop??? PRICELESS!!!!!!!!

    Are you living in a bubble or what? CNN NBC CBS MSNBC especially MSNBC etc etc etc.

    So the whole American Main Stream News is left wing? hahahahahahaha

    Someone needs to quit listening to what other people say and start actually watching and reading.

    What's interesting to me is how Olbermann and fans try to frame up his position as being anti-war and anti-Bush administration, the implication being that both are so deplorable that it's not a matter of partisanship to be an overt detractor.

    Yet Countdown is replete with attacks upon Repubican politicians and high-profile conservatives, and as Johnny's list shows, a haven from which prominient Democrat pols can criticise Republican opponents unchallenged.

    Olbermann is more than an opponent of the Iraqi War or a critic of the Bush Administration. He's a partisan zealot whose primetime show is an adjunct of the DNC.

    Ah, and the book lists prove what, O'Reilly hawks his wares better to a bigger audience? Who cares!

    If you really want to know what Americans are buying you can't beat the New York Times best seller list. Take a look:

    The One Percent Doctrine
    by Ron Suskind

    Conservatives Without Conscience
    by John Dean

    Godless: The Church of Liberalism
    by Ann Coulter

    The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair that Changed America (Vintage)
    by Erik Larson


    An Inconvenient Truth
    by Al Gore


    1776
    by David McCullough


    Notice anything about this list?


    Ah, and the book lists prove what, O'Reilly hawks his wares better to a bigger audience? Who cares!

    If you really want to know what Americans are buying you can't beat the New York Times best seller list. Take a look:

    The One Percent Doctrine
    by Ron Suskind

    Conservatives Without Conscience
    by John Dean

    Godless: The Church of Liberalism
    by Ann Coulter

    The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair that Changed America (Vintage)
    by Erik Larson


    An Inconvenient Truth
    by Al Gore


    1776
    by David McCullough


    Notice anything about this list?


    Keith Olberman spoke for the nation tonight when he responded to the hatemongering of donald rumsfeld.....well maybe he didnt speak for the entire nation...just the MAJORITY of the nation.

    Do you folks work on shifts in order to fill this site with superflous comments both pro and anti, or are you really just one person?

    spoken like a true crack addict. Now go back to the infomercials.

    What's the matter aquarius amazon.com speakin' truth and if Olby was close you'd be shoutin' it!
    Ratings and rankings don't matter. PUT THE PIPE DOWN!

    Go gulp you're kool-aid!

    It's all over the fat lady is warming up!

    And no fifth place cut and paste loon is ever gona speak for me.

    Aquarius Where's the Karl Rove indictments?
    Answer: NOT COMMING!!!!

    I just watched the tvo. I never laughed this hard in a while. You take this lunatic serious???

    By the way,gas prices could be around $2.00 a gallon by election day, People will be real happy to vote. And not for any lunatic Dopey Dems. Keep bashin' Wal-Mart. That will work!!!!!

    Screwballs!!!!!!!!!

    Oh! And if he spoke for the nation that would turn into ratings!

    Yeah Olby speaks for me but I don't watch him. Screwball Loon logic.

    www.wbai.org (you'll feel better)

    OOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

    Wait, was that ALGORE flying over my house spewing JET FUEL?????????? Thanks Mr. Global Warming. How about those hurricaines so far, how many???? One?

    Keith Olberman spoke for the nation tonight when he responded to the hatemongering of donald rumsfeld.....well maybe he didnt speak for the entire nation...just the MAJORITY of the nation
    **********************************************

    The only people he spoke for are the members of the Daily Kos crowd who are so full of hate for Bush that they fail to see the dangers of the terrorism to them and everyone else just like people failed to see how dangerous Hitler was,thats what Rumsfeld was talking about.

    As for the polls on Iraq,just because they claim a "majority" dosen't like the way the war is going that dosen't mean a "majority" wants us to surrender like KO and so many on the left are calling for if push comes to shove the "majority" of Americans will call for us to win this war on terror because we can't afford to lose it.

    I love how the people who think Olberman is lying either stoop to stupid insults/pictures or have no historical facts to back them up. Because only an irrational inconsiderate person (or a billionaire) would be supporting the republicans at this point. You have no ability to reason if you are still backing this theocratic right wing bullshit started since the regean age.

    I thought Keith was great tonight. I guess you just find it terribly frustrating that there's an hour left on the cable "news" universe not thouroughly scripted by the GOP. Keith is right. There is a huge fascist threat trying to strip us of our freedom, but it's not these Muslim boneheads halfway across the world. It's the our home-grown fundamentalist extremists.

    K.O. nailed the Rethuglicans and the American talabangelists last night.
    He ain't no Edward R. but he is the ONLY one in the MSM willing to standup and speak the truth to these soul selling, psychotic bastards that are doing a good job of running the greatest nation in the history of humanity into the ground.
    Bu$hco has squandered lives and money but more than anything they have DESTROYED THE INTEGRITY OF MY COUNTRY.
    God love ya Keith, keep it up.

    Why is it that all the Olbermanniacs come here and post comments like "Keth, thank you. I’m going to quote something cheesy, but "People should not be afraid of its government, its government who should be afraid of its people."

    Make them fear, my intellectual friend.

    make them fear our intellect and our love of life. make them fear our wisdom and truth, for we are not pawns of king gorge any longer.

    revolution"

    Why post messages to KO on this site? Like he would really come here to see what his fans think of his latest diatribe. I mean why would anyone think KO would even know about Olbermannwatch.com, much less read it (or steal audio clips from it)?

    Er, never mind.


    We come here just to piss you off, you know, that feeling you get when you slip a roofie in to a chick's drink and she passes out in the arms of some jock at the other end of the bar and you end up going home to your room in your mother's basement and that pile of old magazines with the sticky pages...

    roflmfao,

    Since 90% of the statements seem to amount to "Yahhhh Olbermann" and "Boooo Bush", I suppose pissing folks off is all you have.

    With 10 jobs in 20 years and turmoil in all, please tell me Mr. Abrams you have someone better to deliver the talking points of NBC news/Demo campaign headquarters than this sportscaster/nutcase

    If I want to be lectured about the merits of the left's positions, or the wrongs of the right, at least let them come from somone other than a discredited, much traveled sportcaster, who hasn't been able to hold down a job, someone with character and integrity, not some moonbat who thinks journalism is all about ratings - and the way to get ratings is to personnally attack the competetion.

    This guy is a disgrace - and so are the folks who allow him to spew his garbage nightly

    Brokaw, Russert, Huntley, Brinkley and Olbermann

    Oberlmann must truly be one of the leading morons in America today. He epitomizes the '15 minutes' of fame mentality that Americans fawn over - For a further example, I give you Paris Hilton.

    Does anyone take seriously a former ESPN sport anchor when he spew nonsense about politics...?

    Gosh, can America be that stupid???

    Oberlmann must truly be one of the leading morons in America today. He epitomizes the '15 minutes' of fame mentality that characterizes America's culture - For a further example, I give you Paris Hilton.

    Does anyone take seriously a former ESPN sport anchor when he spew nonsense about politics...?

    Gosh, can America be that stupid???

    This website is for idiots. No, idiots can't read...you people are just Mmmmm....fascists?

    This website is for idiots. No, idiots can't read...you people are just Mmmmm....fascists?

    This guy is showing total frustration for a failed career. Ratings are everything to Olbermann - history shows he'll do or say anything to get viewers. Problem is - it has never worked for him and he clearly seems angry. Think he made a very calculated choice that the only place he can currently catch a break is with the libs, but it's all acting. He'd change in a hearbeat if it would help his career but he knows the scrutiny conservs get, and the free pass libs get. It's all calculated. Shame he's using NBC as pawn, Their credibility is taking a hit

    Does anyone take seriously a former ESPN sport anchor when he spew nonsense about politics...?
    Sha...I mean, we took a former coke-head alcoholic seriously when we wanted to run for president.
    Yeah, we're that stupid.

    Alert, Alert. Headline News beats MSNBC at every hour of the night in the demo Tuesday night. Alert, Alert!!

    I think that is a first Jim. But Dan has a plan!

    Face it, Bushbots, you're on the way out. No one likes you anymore, and KO is helping make sure you continue on your way out the door! The man rocks!
    Bye bye, Neofacists!

    I love reading the name-calling and empty rhetoric of the left. It reassures me that I'm on the right side.

    A BIT OF OBLY OWN RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION.

    Boy Obly answered what he thought was Righteous indignation from Rumsfeld with his own Obly Righteous indignation. He really believes all that shit he believes in. He is the ?WACKO LEFT?

    And by the way agree with him or not Donald Rumsfeld has been serving his country almost his entire life. Now the ?Orange One?, he has spent his lifetime serving himself.

    PS Hey zappaisfrank, Frank might not have supported Bush or this war, but he sure as hell would be making fun of you crazy wacko's on the left. Remember and "They where full of all that shit that they believed in"...that my friend was directed to types like you.

    Once again, Rob-bob, you've proven me right:

    There is nothing to be gained from reading this sycophantic drivel. The most pathetic element of this entire site is in it's shear stupidity.

    There is no discussion with discourse or debate. There is nothing factual being stated. There is no argumentative viewpoint supported by facts. All prose contained herein on this site and in this blog is petty name calling. Pathetic.

    I would hate to think that any of you believe yourselves to be Christians or upstanding representatives of the Christian community. Jesus, were he not emphatically dead, would have nothing to do with you, your non-causes, or your tactics. All you do is call people names. Your only impetus is immature and empty.

    You are pathetically consumed by hatred. You dislike something, so you have nothing better to do with your time than to obsess over it and make pithy comments about it? How stupid. How irresponsible. How lazy.

    Now, I would guess that if you have any sort of a college degree that it is an MBA or a BA at best. You certainly took the minimal amount of English comp classes, because quite frankly you have no rhetorical flourish or analytical skills. To put it in terms that can be easily understood by the goonsquad of under-educated sycophants who inhabit this site: your writing is the equivalent of three-day old dog shit.

    You must have sucked the monkey balls on what few term papers I imagine you wrote. It's a very small number.

    Because you're just spouting poorly composed opinion when you cannot:
    quote correctly
    correctly cite sources quoted
    refute quotes
    provide source-based evidence supporting your refutation
    cite the source-based evidence correctly.

    You do none of those things. You did not do them in your write-up pertaining to last night's show and you have not done them anywhere else on this site.

    You are a quack shouting your opinion in a void. You have no supporting evidence, you have no sources (let alone multiple sources), you have no factual substantiation of your claims.

    Everything that comes out of you is shear opinion.

    You're pathetic; you're so pathetic that you're not really good enough to be deserving of the title of hack. Most hacks at least have flare to fall back on. So, you're a pathetic sub-hack who could not and does not demonstrate the ability to substantiate anything as a fact.

    Your sub-par prose is as pathetic as the tiny quantity of literary terms and devices you attempt so poorly to hang everything from.

    Hey, Sarah finally woke up. Sarah, I still need to know where you live. Remember, you want me to mow your lawn!!

    I don't recall actually using the word "want" in that sentence.

    No, I didn't just wake up. I work third shift. That's why I disappear around 11am / noon EST.

    "The most pathetic element of this entire site is in it's shear stupidity."

    "Shear" stupidity? Hahahahahaaa!

    Sarah: You want me on that lawn, you need me on that lawn.

    Even our good friend Sarah needs a spelling lesson occasionally.

    Holy crap I am so happy someone linked over to this site for me. You sheeple are pure, quality entertainment. It's like watching a bunch of chimpanzees, whacked out on crack and suddenly thrown into a room together. I swear I wish I had some popcorn while reading through these comments.

    Stephen Colbert has a term for you people. You are the "30% Backwash" of our national society.

    If Bush went on National TV and analy raped your mother, then cleaned the 'santorum' off of his cock with the original document of the US Constitution, you people would clap and cheer and say what a wonderful President he is.

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for such a great way to wrap up my night!

    So it's nighttime where you are Nate? Now where could that be?

    Olbermann: "Men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag"

    Nice sentence Keith! How did they darken the skies? Did they block the sun? And they obscured the flag too! Which confused High School valedictorian wrote this for you Keith?

    Olbermann: "Earlier Americans always found their way to the light and we can too."

    YES! Come into the light Americans! Rumsfeld stole all the lightbulbs, but the radiance of Olbermann will save you.

    Olbermann: "The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense and this administration are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: the destruction of our freedoms"

    Oh no! They are going to DESTROY OUR FREEDOMS! I just saw Rumsfeld placing an IED in the freedom of religion! Oh wait, freedom of religion is a bad thing in Olbyland -- sorry. Now, how do you "destroy" a freedom? I can see how one might take a particular freedom away or deny a freedom. I want to know how you destroy a freedom once and for all. Once I learn how, I will destroy Herr Olbermann's freedom to broadcast so that his flea-like jumps from network to network cease once and for all.

    Exactly who writes Olbermann's drivel? It is piss-poor even for a demented former sportcaster. Hey Sarah, do you write for Olby?

    Wow! Ain't free speech wonderful?
    With no due respect: You're all idiots.
    Stolen elections aside, no wonder we have a Moron in Chief with all you pinheads and nitwits spewing your "ideology of hatred".
    You're all pathetic.

    Who is Olby? Is that your disrespectful and pejorative way of referring to Keith Olbermann, by calling him a name? Because when you can't actually make a point that you support with citable evidence — you stoop to calling people names.

    So, you're a dolt with no hold on literary terms or devices. Figurative speech is clearly too complicated for you, as you have demonstrated in that pile of words you prattled.

    You're ignorant, plain and simple.
    Although that was a compound sentence, so perhaps that was beyond your grasp.

    Johnny Dollar (your name sounds like something an indy wrestling promoter would christen himself), is that the best you've got? And seriously, it was on the fourteenth repetition that you actually got it. I certainly won't make the mistake of calling you quick-witted, or witty.

    BTW, where are the articles with:
    quote done correctly
    correctly cited source quotes
    refuted quotes
    source-based evidence supporting those refutations
    and correctly cited source-based evidence.

    There certainly isn't any of that on this site, perhaps you could provide a link to another?

    Both of Olbermanns viewers cheered for his 'ownage' of Rumsfeld.

    Sarah: I just changed the oil in my lawn mower. And filled the gas tank. ........ Have you forgot already??

    So it's nighttime where you are Nate? Now where could that be? -Bob

    It's called Hawaii Bob. You know, the 50th State in the Union! Home of the Pacific Theater Command HQ's for all four branches of the Military.

    Oh wait... You're a regular on this blog aren't you? I suppose that arriving at that answer was a little too much of a mental stretch to expect of you wasn't it? My bad! As I do with most of you sycophantic mental midgets, I'll keep my expectations much lower.


    Thanks Nate.

    "I love reading the name-calling and empty rhetoric of the left. It reassures me that I'm on the right side"

    Best post of this thread so far.

    Heh. I love when the lefties show up in these threads and immediately prove all the righties exactly correct.

    Rumsfeld says we have to fight terrorists, and people who think otherwise are wrong and should study history. Olbermann says Rumsfeld is the real enemy, and that criticizing people for being wrong is "fascism" and destroying freedom.

    Righties point out Olby is wrong. Lefties say righties are awful. Hey, this is just like the prevous graf!

    Ahh, the circle of life.

    A monologue that would do O'reilly proud.

    This was Kieth's swan song-they muxt realize on the set that they are not going to be renewed and figure-what the heck?

    I have a feeling that Kieth just got screwed out of a job he was lining up-post countdown- and believes that it is the doings of his enemies.

    Kieth, you made a living off Joe Wilson, you bet your last remnants of respectability on him, and now with the revelation that it was Armitage all along, have just watched your horse break its leg.

    Sarah, can you actually defend what Olby says or challenge the content of what J$ puts forth in his summaries? Your like my English 101 teacher back in college, except high on crack.

    Olbyloon tactic- Rant and rave but never actually defend the crap spewing out of Olby's mouth.

    Funny how the trend in polls mean jack when the ratings come in, or on election day. Libs- you guys can win in the polls and us conservatives will win in the elections.

    We should all sit down and contemplate KO's place in history. After his special segment on Rummy last night I must say he very well coul be considered one the greatest TV journalists of all time. His service to America is one of envy, a true patriot. He represents America and what it should stand for. He will not tolerate the fascists in our goverment today and he does an excellent job exposing them. We should be thankful MSNBC has hired a real journalist with integrity. Ratings, sure they aren't the greatest however it takes time for people to appreciat the truth!! Sometimes the best product is not the most popular.

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    Criticism of the government is a necessary part of any democracy or democratic republic. I believe criticism of citizens by an elected or appointed government official is a much more dangerous point. Rumsfeld specifically said in his speech (quoting), "And that is important in any long struggle or long war, where any kind of moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong, can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere."

    He was giving an analogy regarding critics who allowed Nazism to spread unchecked across Europe in the 1930s, but the implication is that critics and dissenters in America are like those same Europeans who failed to take strong action against Hitler. It's one thing for a government official to say something in his private time, but he was speaking in his official government role as Secretary of Defense essentially conflating opposition in America to Nazi appeasers. Is that right?

    I hold elected officials to a higher standard than that, and I was extremely disappointed by Secretary Rumsfeld's comments. I would feel the same regardless of if he were Democrat or Republican. Although the government is not necessarily moral, as witnessed by slavery's survival in the USA for nearly 75 years, I think it's right to expect a higher standard from it.

    Whether you appreciate Keith Olbermann or not, a strong press criticism of government officials for blanket statements such as this is necessary to ensure we have a high quality government. Taken independently of past, ratings, whatever, Keith Olbermann's statement was a welcome return to critical journalistic commentary. I hope to see more government criticism from other journalists in the future.

    Liberals love propaganda. They fake, fabricate, edit out of order, edit snippets, edit out of context and flat out lie. Then get angry when called out on it. More of the "memo is fake but the story is true" nonsense. They love to rant..but when taken to task for it claim their free speech is being attacked? Geesh..savage is right.. Liberalism is a mental disorder. go over to DU where they list their multiple bi-polar medications. Keith himself is a nutcase..on meds for disorders. But the uneducated left just locks step with their hate bush rhetoric...tossing their nonsensical temper tantrums. embarrassing.

    Todd:
    Do you think Rumsfeld is the first government official to criticize those who dissented or disagreed with the government's policies?

    What I find amazing in Olbermann's monologue is his historical amnesia. That somehow Rumsfeld's criticism is unique in the history of representative democracy.

    Anyone who has read American history knows fully well that Presidents and other officials in government critiqued those who opposed their policies.

    Since Rumsfeld used the 1930s analogy in his speech, we can even discuss or mention the speeches by Churchill both in Parliament and later when he became Prime Minister. Churchill was positively scathing in his denunciation of those who opposed his policies against Germany.

    Was it wrong for Churchill - both as a MP and as Prime Minister - to attack critics of his policies towards Hitler? This was both before the war actually broke out and even during the war.

    SMG

    JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT COULD BE SAID HAS BEEN SAID....SUFFICE IT TO SAY K.O. HAS LOST IT AND THOUGHT THE TIME WAS RIGHT FOR HIS SWAN SONG...

    BUT ONE OTHER QUESTION.....WHY IS IT THAT WHENEVER A TALKING HEAD BRINGS UP THE NAME "MURROW" WE ARE EXPECTED TO GENUFLECT? NO DOUBT HE WAS VERY COMPETENT IN HIS DAY.......BUT (JUST A HUNCH HERE) HE LIKELY HAD HIS DETRACTORS AS WELL, AND PERHAPS FOR SOME GOOD REASONS.

    "From V the K at August 31, 2006 07:53 AM

    PS Hey zappaisfrank, Frank might not have supported Bush or this war, but he sure as hell would be making fun of you crazy wacko's on the left. Remember and "They where full of all that shit that they believed in"...that my friend was directed to types like you."

    He had a few lines for folks like you as well, something about being "dumb all over with a little ugly on the side".

    "THE END OF FREEDOM"
    a one act play by Keith Olbermann (developed by MSNBC interns)

    [Olbermann stands center stage, hands clasped, a solitary tear on his left cheek. He speaks . . .]

    It was a dark and stormy night. Like lightning from beyond the darkened daytime skies the evil stormtroopers and crusading zealots descended upon polling stations in the pan handle. Innocent minorities and righteous leftists were left standing amongst broken chads and balloting butterflies as the last ray of light perished amidst the weeping proletariat. Now we live in darkness, our lives illuminated only by the glow of our television sets at 8PM on weekdays except for the twenty weeks a year when I am out of town, under my desk, or romancing teenagers for nights of limp nude fat-man wrestling. Who will protect the innocent peace-loving Muslims from the raging right-wing Christian killers? Who will protect the innocent who communicate with al Qaeda? Who will accuse our Government of malfeasance while jihadis amass on the borders of Democracies in righteous rage? Yes friends, I will, for I am uberman Keith Olbermann, sent by nature itself to fight the forces of evil in the West that so desire the end of the third world. Despair not friends, for I have the final solution to our problems. [enter David Schuster stage left, shouting: HEIL OBERMANN! HEIL OBERMANN! HEIL OBERMANN!]

    Reading the comments on this board has been an interesting, disgusting and frightening experience all rolled into one. It seems more comments are made about Olbermann's past than about the actual topic of his piece. Probably because his message is right on target and you have nothing else so you attack the messenger. You guys are like children, clutching your red white and blue teddy bears, hiding under the covers from the bearded boogeyman that only GWB can protect you from! George did such a great job keeping 9/11 from happening after all! Oh, wait...

    Keith is the only mainstream media journalist who dares to stand up to the pathetic presidency of George W. Bush. Two crooked elections, 2500 or so dead American soldiers, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian casualties and we are no safer from terrorists than we were on 9/10/01. Scores dead in New Orleans while GWB was playing guitar in Texas, billions of dollars worth of deficit that my kids get to pay for, the borders spilling over with illegals while the conservatives worry about gay marriage!

    Thank God for people like Keith and John Dean, who have finally pulled the mask of of the true "nazi's" in the modern world...the contemporary authoritarian conservative!

    KO.....a true american.

    Wow, BRAVO to Keith.

    But most of you guys scare me.

    Always question your government, folks. I don't care if it's Bush or Clinton -- but these guys have proven they'll fuck you over unless you're some CEO.

    Wow, BRAVO to Keith.

    But most of you guys scare me.

    Always question your government, folks. I don't care if it's Bush or Clinton -- but these guys have proven they'll fuck you over unless you're some CEO.

    The comments from the Left here once again underscore what Rumsfeld was pointing out. To with, that too many Americans are sleepwalking through history and do not understand the seriousness of the threat that we face from radical Islam.

    For these folks, the threat is nearly non-existent and has been used by the evil Republicans for partisan gain. This ignores, of course, the statements that come from Democratic leaders such as Dean and Reid and Pelosi who themselves say that the threat is greater than ever.

    One has to ask: How can Bush be exaggerating the threat from Islamists and at the same time, according to Congressional Democrats, the country is in greater danger from those Islamists than before 9/11?

    As Churchill warned similarly when he was running Great Britain, there are elements in this country who confuse where the danger comes from. They believe that the evil is Bush and not from Islamists. Churchill too pointed out this moral confusion.

    Churchill was right 60 years ago. Rumsfeld is right today.

    The Left has the right to be wrong. No one is preventing them from expressing their views. But just as they have the right to dissent, we have the right to critique their dissent.

    SMG

    Chamberlain was a fool because he believed he was right about "peace in our time" IN SPITE of the overwhelming evidence of Hitler's aggression and intentions.

    Now Olberman, in a roundabout way, calls Bush the same kind of fool because he DOESN'T ignore evidence of Islamofacist aggression.

    The first WTC attack, Khobar Towers, twin African embassy bombings, USS Cole attack, Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against the U.S. and 9/11 should tell President Bush exactly what Mr. Olberman? What conclusions should we draw from those events and declaration?

    Good grief, Mr. Olberman has got to be the most obtuse leftist ever.

    TallDave is correct. You liberals took the bait and came out, demonstrating everything Rummy was referring to. You people really are intellectually confused (and easily played for a catchy sound bite).

    The Demo party is the party of the sound bite, but not much else. Not critical thinking, that's for damn sure.

    Keep it up Olby, your a--holery makes the Republicans look like Statesmen.

    I'm still waiting for your ideas and plan, liberals. If we're so stupid and fascistic, why not try to articulate what you would do in power? Instead of trashing conservatives and our ideas, tell us what you have in store for us. Give us any reason to see that you have any ideas.

    Liberal plan:

    Step 1: Send out team to "feel the pain" of Muslims

    Step 2: Declare "We feel your pain"

    Step 3: Peace in our time.

    Alternative plan:

    Step 1. Elect liberal President

    Step 2. Leave Iraq, declare the USA is an aggressor, apologize

    Step 3. Peace in our time.

    A good example of liberalthink is occuring with Iran. The leftists tie themselves in knots trying to ignore the threat, rationalize the threat, or blame the U.S. for the problem. The one thing they don't do is ask, "what if the Iranians get the bomb!" Meanwhile, it is a CERTAINTY that the Islamofascist maniac Ahmadinejad will get the bomb if left alone. So, where is the liberal plan? Biden whines. Pelosi ignores. If a conservative says we need to consider military action, the liberals crap their pants and scream "NO!" Jimmy Carter is meeting with Khatami for God's sake!

    No, my friends, liberals have no anwers. They are a menace. The number one story on Meltdown has NEVER been Iran! Instead we get the "great leak case."

    And the demo-flip-floppers will do what when they get power Dr. Dean.....

    Sarah, we haven't heard about syncophantic drivel or shear stupidity in a while. Please cut and paste another post for us, and hurry.

    Isn't it funny that Olby's (used because it gets old typing Olbermann over and over, Sarah, dear, love, hon) loudest, most pretentious defender cuts and pastes her post? She writes posts like Olby writes books. Hah.

    Well said, Sean. Keith can't make a sensible argument against what Rumsfeld says, so with no evidence to back up his claim, he simply reverses the Chamberlain-Churchill analogy.

    What struck me was the utter pomposity of his manifesto. Not just the words, but the inflection and the body language. He really believes that he is a modern-day Edward R. Murrow. Maybe he should pay some journalistic dues before claiming Murrow's throne.

    In spite of his claims to the contrary, Keith has never been a real journalist. His show is merely sandbox television.

    Wow, the shrieking hysteria from the Right Wing was predictable, but it's still shocking to read. You guys need to learn a little bit about context and speechwriting. Rumsfeld's writer, like all of BushCo's scripters, is clearly a master at insinuation and clever juxtaposition. Do you really think Rummy has to come out and say "you people on the left better shut up if you know what's good for you" for that to be his message?

    Read what Rummy said. Go ahead, actually read it. First he invokes World War I (the War to End All Wars, remember?) and it's aftermath, where the global sentiment was to avoid war if at all possible. Rummy distorts this view ("if only the growing threats that had begun to emerge in Europe and Asia could be accommodated"), twisting pacifism into appeasement. He talks about the "cynicism and moral confusion" and "strange innocence" of those who want to "negotiate a separate peace" rather than go to war. The message is clear: those who want negotiation are weak and blind. He goes on to equate the threat of terrorist organizations (no names mentioned, but clearly al Qaeda and Hezbollah would be on the list) with that of the Axis powers of World War II. The similarities are, of course, virtually nonexistent, but hey, this is sabre-rattling at it's finest!

    Then comes the quantum leap: the Four Questions. Read them. The use of phrases like "can we truly afford to believe" and "can folks really continue to think" and "can we afford the luxury of pretending" and "can we really afford to return to the destructive view" in the context of what Rummy has just said delivers his message loud and clear. We must not think this way. We must not believe this way. We must believe that the Bush administration's approach is correct.

    It's that message to which Olbermann and many others have responded. Now consider the even larger context of a government that obviously has no qualms about trampling the civil rights of its citizens and the Constitution itself. This makes Rummy's message even more chilling, and makes me feel that Olbermann's response was a bit subdued.

    Wow, the shrieking hysteria from the Right Wing was predictable, but it's still shocking to read. You guys need to learn a little bit about context and speechwriting. Rumsfeld's writer, like all of BushCo's scripters, is clearly a master at insinuation and clever juxtaposition. Do you really think Rummy has to come out and say "you people on the left better shut up if you know what's good for you" for that to be his message?

    Read what Rummy said. Go ahead, actually read it. First he invokes World War I (the War to End All Wars, remember?) and it's aftermath, where the global sentiment was to avoid war if at all possible. Rummy distorts this view ("if only the growing threats that had begun to emerge in Europe and Asia could be accommodated"), twisting pacifism into appeasement. He talks about the "cynicism and moral confusion" and "strange innocence" of those who want to "negotiate a separate peace" rather than go to war. The message is clear: those who want negotiation are weak and blind. He goes on to equate the threat of terrorist organizations (no names mentioned, but clearly al Qaeda and Hezbollah would be on the list) with that of the Axis powers of World War II. The similarities are, of course, virtually nonexistent, but hey, this is sabre-rattling at it's finest!

    Then comes the quantum leap: the Four Questions. Read them. The use of phrases like "can we truly afford to believe" and "can folks really continue to think" and "can we afford the luxury of pretending" and "can we really afford to return to the destructive view" in the context of what Rummy has just said delivers his message loud and clear. We must not think this way. We must not believe this way. We must believe that the Bush administration's approach is correct.

    It's that message to which Olbermann and many others have responded. Now consider the even larger context of a government that obviously has no qualms about trampling the civil rights of its citizens and the Constitution itself. This makes Rummy's message even more chilling, and makes me feel that Olbermann's response was a bit subdued.

    Olbermann's speech was brilliant. He totally let out all the hot air from the buzzword of the week Islamo-fascism. Rumsfield didn't actually use that term but it was implied. Rumsfield is trying to convince the dwindling supporters of the war that over 60% of Americans are Neville Chamberlains. Olmbermann used relevant historical analogies, quotes from well respected foreign leaders like Churchill, and the warnings of Edward R Morrow, in a balanced blend. He did all this without the buffoonery, pontificating and name calling of the Limbaugh/O'Rielly/Coulter ilk.

    Keith Olbermann is FANTASTIC!

    I love his show and last night's beeeyatch-slap to Rumsfeld was amazing.

    I don't understand why some people here are so intent on defending Rumsfeld at this point. Maybe it's just a kneejerk "our team no matter what" reaction -- but I don't know anyone in the military right now that doesn't hate the man. If you claim to support the troops it's going to be hard to explain why you support Rumsfeld as well.

    Oh yes, just because Olbermann might not have the ratings of other "commentators" doesn't devalue his statements. Think of how many people buy pornography intead of conservative "think" tank tomes. Would you suggest that's because pornography has a higher quality?

    Murrow.

    Oh yes, just because Olbermann might not have the ratings of other "commentators" doesn't devalue his statements. Think of how many people buy pornography intead of conservative "think" tank tomes. Would you suggest that's because pornography has a higher quality?

    With all due respect, that's faulty logic. His ratings are compared to other cable news shows with similar content. If Countdown were a porn mag, it would probably be Skank magazine.

    Murrow.

    keith olberman should be ashamed of himself. this is america, where does he think he is? americans are supposed to obey the president and cease and desist any questioning of the administration's actions during wartime. essentially, the bill of rights is put on hold while the country is at war.

    personally, i believe that those that speak out against President Bush should be imprisoned, or at least followed and investigated. seriously, america should not have people asking questions they shouldn't ask. i say if you don't like the bush admin you shut up, or else.

    "Keith, it's still a democracy. You still get to do the show for your five viewers.

    Posted by: JohnB at August 31, 2006 01:21 AM"

    john b, get your dumb head out of your ass. wake up idiot!

    bush supporters are supporting neofascism--you guys know it, unless you are truly that effin dumb.

    freedom of speech? nope, not in the pro-bush world

    Thankyou KO for your INSIGHTFUL comments on the sorry state of affairs in this country, only when they reinstate the draft will some of these rightwingers start crying foul.Most of them are like the administration never put a uniform on for this country, they just leave it for others to do. While they act like its a game with winners and losers .
    WE ARE ALL LOSERS WITH THIS WAR MONGERING ADMINISRTATION

    Have you forgotten that Alberto Gonzalez himself, said to Congress that Bush has war powers despite the fact that war was never declared? It was just a Authorization to Use Force according to Gonzales. The president may be commander in chief, but only of the armed forces, of which I'm a veteran. He's not commander in chief of civilians unless martial law is declared. I must have missed that declaration.

    In a democracy, we're not expected to blindly follow anyone. Ben Franklin said it best that those who would trade security for liberty deserve neither.

    Why do conservatives hate America?

    For every right we surrender in this struggle, the terrorist win another round. If they hate us for our freedom, then we'll take away some of our own freedoms.

    There that'll show them.

    Media Matters Keith .

    What a hatemonger this man is.

    Get off the air.

    Keith Olbermann is a United States Constitutionalist. How can anyone demonize him and say he is a "leftist liberal"? As someone who is personally conservative, I understand his views. He has similar views as another great Republican named Barry Goldwater, and says many of the same things as another former Republican President named Dwight Eisenhower. This nation has confused "neoconservative" with true constitutional "conservatives". True conservatives want the nation to be financially responsible, but never denied the need of the national repsponisibility to make sure that the citizens of our nation have what they need to prosper. True conservatives also recognize the need to be responsible in spending with regard to conflicts and war. NEO-Conservatives have forgotten those two basic principles of responsibility. True liberals and true conservatives do see eye-to-eye on this issue. Both realize that the United States Constitution is the rule of this nation, and they realize that our constitution is not the rule of the WORLD. We also recognize the fallacy of the term "isolationism". Isolationism doesn't mean that we ignore terrorism. Isolationism means that we respect the right of other sovereign nations to exist, and we also look at the literal wording of our constitution before we pass any judgment about issues existing outside of the jurisdiction of our nation. Personally, I look at the teachings of Jesus Christ before I make any decision in my life, and if neoconservatives did so by reading their own Bibles free from outside influence, they would also come to the same conclusion that I have, which is to "cast the beam out of our own eye before trying to remove the splinter from our brother's eye". September 11th, 2001 was not caused by radical Islamic terrorism alone- it was caused by a century-long failure of civilized nations to mend the root cause of Islamic hatred toward civilized nations. The US failed to heal it, the United Nations has failed to heal it, the European nations have failed to heal it, and the Asian nations have ignored it. The problem is the lack of love and understanding for those less fortunate, and had we used our democratic might long ago, we could have brought businesses and prosperity to underdeveloped nations in the Middle East. Capitalism could have and would have worked in this region had we started long ago by placing special business envoys there who could boost their societies into becoming something more than extremism. Instead, we did not seize the opportunities, and when terrorists began to attack our society, those in civilized society who ignored the problem had no idea why they attacked us, writing them off as being bloodthirsty terrorists, when in reality, we just allowed their anger and fanaticism to grow up into the deadly weed that it manifested itself into, never understanding the root cause that planted the seed in the first place. The seed is not Islam in itself. The seed is the same seed that the Bible tells us is deadly, and that seed is discontent. Civilizations may never live together in harmony, but all teachings of wisdom tell us to strive for such utopia, regardless of how hard it may be.

    With this said, we cannot "sympathize" with terrorist acts. Regardless of the root causes, violence is not the answer to anything, and if someone attacks us, we must use force if necessary to protect our nation. However, the truth of the matter is that the teachings of radical Islam did not flourish in Iraq. Those teachings are the most common in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Syria, and Lebanon, which is pretty much every other nation in the Middle Eastern region EXCEPT Iraq. IF ANYTHING, we should have went to Saudi Arabia secondly after Afghanistan. Instead, the neoconservatives approved sales of fighter jets and weapons technologies to Pakistan, home of some of the worst terrorists in the world. Once again, this is completely irresponsible policy to have invaded Iraq. Saddam was horrible, but at least Iraq wasn't suffering tens to hundreds of deaths due to sectarian bombings every day under Hussein.

    We need new leadership, because the neoconservatives have it DEAD WRONG.

    Sincerely,
    Rev. Jason M. Dodson
    Marion, Illinois

    If Olbermann is the new Edward R. Murrow then that says more about the sad state affairs of the MSM than anything else.

    What rights have we surrendered, ysbaddaden?

    From the Salt Lake Tribune 8/29/06:

    Touring the Middle East a month after the U.S. military's expeditious invasion of Iraq, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was basking in the apparent miscalculations of those who had predicted U.S. forces long would be mired in a difficult war.
    "Never have so many been so wrong about so much," Rumsfeld told his troops in April 2003.

    November 14, 2002
    "Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that. It won't be a World War III." — Donald Rumsfeld, predicting the length of the war in Iraq, on a call-in radio program.

    * "There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus," DiIulio tells Esquire. "What you've got is everything—and I mean everything—being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

    why does the rightwing fear honest debate and accountability? why does the rightwing use fear to control the populace? why does the rightwing support the man that has screwed up our effort to root out al qaeda? why does the rightwing continually support anti-constitutional activities? i thought the rigthwing loved america? or is it that the rightwing only loves the rightwing, not america?

    Samson, Nice try. You're not good at it here and you're not good at it at Crooks and Liars. You and ysbaddaden go back to your cheerleading camp and masturbate over Olbermann there, mmkay, where your buddies say his speech gives you chills.

    "How Could honourable men with wide experience and fine records in the Great War condone a policy so cowardly? It was sordid, Squalid, sub-human, and suicidal ....The sequel to the sacrifice of honour."

    That was Winston Churchill criticizing those who disagreed with him that Germany needed to be confronted.

    I guess by Olbermann's standards Churchill was practicing a "form of fascism" since Churchill was criticizing those who disagreed with his policies.

    Olbermann's monologue was simply absurd.

    SMG

    By the way, will Crooks and Liars forbid me to post on their site if I disagree with them?

    masturbate over Olbermann there
    Posted by: aonymous at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM

    that's what you think about, eh? no wonder you support bush.

    "I'm still waiting for your ideas and plan, liberals. If we're so stupid and fascistic, why not try to articulate what you would do in power? Instead of trashing conservatives and our ideas, tell us what you have in store for us."

    Here it is:

    Congressman and aspiring House Majority Leader John Murtha unveiled the Murtha Doctrine on Meet the Press. It's the most comprehensive plan offered by the Democrats to date.

    "We can go to Okinawa. We can redeploy there almost instantly." Mr. Russert, mindful of the fact that Okinawa, Japan, is 4,899 miles from Baghdad, offered Mr. Murtha an escape, in case he had misspoken. "But it would be tough to have a timely response from Okinawa," he said. But Mr. Murtha dug himself in deeper. "When I say a timely response, you know, our fighters can fly from Okinawa very quickly," he said. It would take 10-12 hours - and six refuelings - for F-16s to fly from Kadena AFB on Okinawa to Baghdad (assuming China and India would grant overflight rights, a dubious assumption). And Murtha waxed indignant when the topic of Karl Rove came up:
    He's sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside saying stay the course. That's not a plan! "We got to change direction, that’s what we have to do. You can’t, you can’t sit there in the air conditioned office."

    1. The Murtha Doctrine points to Beirut and Somalia as examples of
    sound foreign policy, i.e. when the enemy attacks you, you need to “change direction.” Specifically, you need to turn around and run the
    other way. But this is not “cutting and running.” This is simply not “staying and paying.” And there are many countries we can run to
    where presumably we can pay a lot less to stay.

    2. Wars are expensive and tough on the soldiers. So, according to the Murtha Doctrine, instead of fighting them, the U.S. military should re-
    deploy its soldiers to the periphery of wars. For example, the front in the War on Terror should be moved from Iraq to Okinawa, Japan. Because of Japanese efficiency and cheap Chinese labor, wars are a lot cheaper in Asia.

    3. The Murtha Doctrine stipulates that there is no need to actually be in the country, or on the battlefield, where you are actually fighting a
    war. Murtha points to the killing of Zarqawi as an example of how this works: “The information came from the Iraqis, to the Iraqis, to the US
    and then we bombed where he was, so… it came from the outside.” For this reason, the Murtha Doctrine argues that because the redeployment of troops to Okinawa Japan would make those troops
    further “outside,” they would be more effective against the insurgents in Iraq. “Our fighters can fly from Okinawa very quickly,” says Murtha.

    4. Because the Bush administration’s plans for Iraq were devised in air conditioned offices and because Karl Rove is fat and his salary is paid by the American taxpayer, the Bush administration has no plan for Iraq and therefore, victory in Iraq is impossible. It’s easy for Karl Rove to say stay the course from his air conditioned office in D.C., so, the Murtha Doctrine will call for Rove to be re-deployed to Okinawa where his non-plan for staying the course can be regarded more earnestly. The Murtha Doctrine also calls for Karl Rove to go on a diet, so his ideas will be able to qualify for “plan” status. This will help the U.S. regain its stature in the world.

    5. The Murtha doctrine calls for the redeployment of all air conditioners in Washington to Okinawa where they will better help the troops fight the terrorists in Iraq. In addition, the lack of air
    conditioners in D.C. will help lend more credibility to the Bush administration’s non-plans for the War on Terror. The air conditioning re-deployment will be paid for with a “windfall profits” tax on Halliburton. We use a lot of oil and the Murtha Doctrine understands this, but the Chinese use a lot, too.

    6. Taking a stand that will probably draw the ire of Democrats, the Murtha Doctrine says we have already won the military war, that it was accomplished when Saddam’s regime was toppled and that there was no more reason for the military to be in Iraq. This is yet another reason why the Murtha Doctrine argues for the military to
    be re-deployed to Okinawa, where Saddam’s regime is still thriving.

    7. In summation, the Murtha Doctrine states that Iraq is worse today than it was six months ago and that “staying the course is not a plan” because Karl Rove’s office is air conditioned. The Murtha Doctrine further states that the U.S. military’s presence in Iraq is the problem and if we just leave, everything will be resolved. As
    evidence of this, Murtha points to Karl Rove’s weight. Murtha uses the following analogy to explain his doctrine: if you are playing a
    football game and neither team is winning, you are therefore losing. In order to win, you need to move your team to another stadium and that way you can run your plays without anyone getting
    tackled. Meanwhile, because you left the original stadium, your opponent will simply give up and go home.


    masturbate over Olbermann there
    Posted by: aonymous at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM

    *sniff*

    so, that is what you think about, eh? nice. there's a bush supporter for you--can't debate the facts, can't handle the truth, they just simply insult and make dumb "jokes."

    "anonymous" there's a name that took true courage, LOL

    masturbate over Olbermann there
    Posted by: aonymous at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM

    *sniff*

    so, that is what you think about, eh? nice. there's a bush supporter for you--can't debate the facts, can't handle the truth, they just simply insult and make dumb "jokes."

    "anonymous" there's a name that took true courage, LOL

    Samson, will C & L let me post over there to get down to this 'honest debate' or will they stifle my dissent?

    Seems the Olbermanniacs are coming in another wave. I wonder what set them off?

    Good thing their attention span is short. They will all fade away and we will still be here plugging away day after day until Olbermann kills himself or fades away.

    Samson, will C & L let me post over there to get down to this 'honest debate' or will they stifle my dissent?

    Posted by: Matticus Finch at August 31, 2006 01:25 PM


    matt, you are confused, i only post at C&L, i don't run their web site. therefore i can't answer your question. sorry.

    i do know that if you threaten people, or use racist remarks they'll ban you. have you done either of these?

    Samson- You write "a grassroot groundswell might finally force the rest of the MSM to realize that we are fucking pissed at the bush administration. PISSED!
    oh yeah, go to hell rumsfeld. seriously, take a hike."

    Its you that are the cheerleader, with no real interest in debate. I'll debate you here or there, you're choice. Rumsfeld wasn't talking directly to you or Olbermann in particular or in general, yet you swoon over his overloated invective with his clips of Nazi Germany and Richard Nixon and Neville Chamberlain playing on the screen for good measure. Classic propaganda techniques, yet you nor ysbaddaden mention that. Neither of you actually breaks down Rummy's speech, either. I doubt either of you actually read it.

    "keith olberman should be ashamed of himself. this is america, where does he think he is? americans are supposed to obey the president and cease and desist any questioning of the administration's actions during wartime. essentially, the bill of rights is put on hold while the country is at war.

    personally, i believe that those that speak out against President Bush should be imprisoned, or at least followed and investigated. seriously, america should not have people asking questions they shouldn't ask. i say if you don't like the bush admin you shut up, or else.

    Posted by: Pro-Bush at August 31, 2006 12:46 PM"

    Gee Pro-Bush, that sounds, well, Fascist.

    BTW, what you're asking for requires a FORMAL Declaration of War.

    ooops, there isn't one of those.

    Hmmmm, honesty? OKay, for starters how about the owner's statement: The #1 ranked Keith Olberman site in the World.

    Uh, that should tell you something about honesty. Maybe if you are the ONLY Keith Olberman site in the WORLD you can make that claim but there are many other Olberman sites.

    Look, obviously you reich-whingers are too stupid to understand this on your own, so let me explain it to you very, very slowly.

    We on the left are correct. We don't have opinions, we have truth.

    It's bad enough the gibbering morons in this administration ignore the self-evident truths we speak to their power, and continue on with their evil warmongering attempts to enrich their CEO friends by destroying all that is good and pure in the world.

    But administration officials publicly voicing their disagreement with our positions, and attempting to trick all the mouth-breathing redstate rednecks into thinking we are wrong? That's the textbook definition of Fascism. Seriously, look it up (what am I saying, it's not like any of you can read).

    Posted by: aonymous at August 31, 2006 01:31 PM


    BTW, you spelled anonymous wrong.

    anyhoo, you wrote:
    "Rumsfeld wasn't talking directly to you or Olbermann in particular or in general, yet you swoon over his overloated invective with his clips of Nazi Germany and Richard Nixon and Neville Chamberlain playing on the screen for good measure"

    --that was very confusing "aonymous." i swoon over who? hee hee, swoon.

    so, then friggin' debate already.

    what does/did iraq have to do with 911? then, why the fuck did we start a preemptive war there?

    why has the admin's assertions been proven wrong time and time again?

    bush says that "we need to win the hearts and minds." so "aonymous" how is america's plummeting image and the rampant anti-americanism (created by the bush admin's arogant policies and illegal activities) helping to win hearts and minds?

    is there a finite number of terrorists in the world? can we simply kill all of them? or, is it an ideology that will keep spawning new recruits as long as the horrendous american foreign policy remains unchanged?

    the rigthwing loves to bloviate and bluster about "supporting democracy" and that we are bringing democracy to the ME. yet, we support egypt, saudi arabia, etc. can you explain that, or counter that?

    "officials voicing their disagreement with our positions, and attempting to trick all the mouth-breathing redstate rednecks into thinking we are wrong? That's the textbook definition of Fascism."

    Politicians tricking people into thinking that their opponents are wrong is fascism?

    Good grief, give me the name of one politician of any party who didn't try to trick the electorate into voting for him or into supporting his policies.

    If that's the definition of fascism, then we've been living under it for 200+ years.

    Sorry, I don't think so.

    SMG

    Samson,

    Nope. Never have threatened. Oh, now I see why I was banned. From their policy:

    C&Lis a personal site. It is not the Government. It is not public institution or a media organization. It is not a neutral site. It is intended to express and disseminate the authors’ point of view. It reserves the right to limit comments to those that, in its view, comport with its stated comment policy. Comments that do not comply are subject to deletion and banning of the author’s ISP.

    One thing's for sure: it doesn't stop them from talking about how their dissent is being squelched over there. (Sigh) I guess all voices don't count over there, even though they expect the same from others. Thank G-d for Olbermann Watch, which allows dissenting opinions. Why would anyone post over there with such a fascist policy in place?

    It almost seems...I don't know....hypocritical.

    What is wrong with this sequence of events:

    1. Olbermann gets "news" show
    2. He gets poor ratings
    3. Management invests more in the show
    4. Management arranges PR blitz
    5. After PR blitz, some buzz created
    6. A few new people tune in, but Olbermann is on vacation!

    What is Olby's mental illness? He pushes for more viewers, then doesn't show up for work. Once back from vacation he goes on an insane rant to attract fringe lefty viewers, but in the process alienates anyone right of Jimmy Carter.

    Seems to me Olbermann hates himself and thinks he doesn't deserve success. He is in a state of constant turmoil, attacking people, desperately groping for viewers then hiding under his desk or in California.

    Keith should thank Olbermannwath for hastening the end of his humiliating on-air implosion.

    Oh, BTW, never have used racist remarks over there, either. I just made a counter-argument that didn't fit into their worldview, and then... Blammo! Posty no worky on my next post, with my previous post deleted.

    Maybe, as a concerned poster, you should question their fear of dissenting opinions.

    We need more sites like this to help continue the upward trend of Keith's ratings, this is wonderful! Please Keith, keep up the good work and remember folks: Blind Faith in incompetent leadership, is NOT Patriotism!!

    This is just about the second to third worst site I've ever heard of. Olbermann rules! You people are hateful, ignorant, fascists.

    KfK writes:

    "Seems to me Olbermann hates himself and thinks he doesn't deserve success."

    Well, then there is at least one thing Keith's right about...

    "upward trend of Keith's ratings"

    Surely you jest.

    more of the leftists on here claiming that olberman merely is the messenger and is reading between the lines of rumsfelds comments. Nonsense. olberman is using fear mongering to influence the unstable leftists. Kind of like MTV sent out fake draft cards with a forged rumsfeld signature to scare them into voting for kerry. liberalism is a fraud. Its a veiled attempt to push socialism on naive americans. They whine about "rights" being stripped away when today they have unlimited avenues IN AMERCIA to spout their childishness. They forget to talk about their attempts at limiting conservative speech by trying to shout down and intimidate conservative speakers (tossing pies, disrupting forums, even using physical intimidation) meanwhile claiming the lefts being attacked? youre all a bunch of frauds trying to get right wing radio shows censored while getting upset when your views are challenged? freaking kids on the left with limited bandwidth to absorb their own hypocricy. Meanwhile at berkley they ask black students "what sport do you play?" while calling republicans racist, homophobe, sexist..blah blah blah. they just love to hear their own sophmoric voices.

    It cracks me up to read the nonsense all of you spew about Keith. You obviously don't pay any attention to the garrulous un-truthiness coming out of the right-wing talking heads on FauxNew, as well as their scrolling banner. Your comments and hate toward Keith is more of the same b*llsh*t we're all used to – attack anybody who stands up and says what the majority of American are thinking. Keith is a true America. Its unfortunate most of you lemmings can’t grasp that.

    f_303

    Samson,

    Nope. Never have threatened. Oh, now I see why I was banned. From their policy:

    C&Lis a personal site. It is not the Government. It is not public institution or a media organization. It is not a neutral site. It is intended to express and disseminate the authors’ point of view. It reserves the right to limit comments to those that, in its view, comport with its stated comment policy. Comments that do not comply are subject to deletion and banning of the author’s ISP.

    One thing's for sure: it doesn't stop them from talking about how their dissent is being squelched over there. (Sigh) I guess all voices don't count over there, even though they expect the same from others. Thank G-d for Olbermann Watch, which allows dissenting opinions. Why would anyone post over there with such a fascist policy in place?

    It almost seems...I don't know....hypocritical.

    Posted by: Matticus Finch at August 31, 2006 02:04 PM

    Try posting something anti-Bush over at "freerepublic.com" and see how long it lasts before it's removed and the poster banned. Everyone does it. I've had a post removed from this board just this morning!

    freerepublic is the epitome of hypocritical behavior. If the republic is so free, shouldn't one be able to post anti-Bush comments without being censored by the site moderator?

    f_303,
    How is he true America? He's an American and he has a right to an opinion, but his opinions are well to the left of center; he makes no bones about that. His attacks on Rumsfeld are no less partisan than Fox's attacks on Democrats. How would you explain his having Howard Dean on his show and letting me go over his talking points for the 06 mid-terms without stopping him once?

    Since I am probably older than most posters here - I take affront to using the label "fascist" by people, I bet, never lived during the 30's and 40's and experienced true fascism. Mussolini and Hitler and Franco and even the Japanese practiced it. But except for Islamic extremism and sharia and establishing a caliphate nothing in recent memory comes even close. Olberman mis-characterized the whole 30's appeasement kerfuffle by Chamberlin. He got his history and personalities and their political strategies assbackwards. He really doesn't understand the history of that time, period. So go ahead and make a fool of yourself and most likely your public school education and call people Nazi's, fascists, etc. since you lack the historical vocabulary to manage a debate without resort to ad hominem.

    freerepublic is the epitome of hypocritical behavior. If the republic is so free, shouldn't one be able to post anti-Bush comments without being censored by the site moderator?

    Yes, they should. That's why I only post where there is freedom of expression (and yes, I've told freerepublic about it). What did you say to get deleted from this site? Seems to me that Mr. Cox is pretty lenient.

    Since I am probably older than most posters here - I take affront to using the label "fascist" by people, I bet, never lived during the 30's and 40's and experienced true fascism. Mussolini and Hitler and Franco and even the Japanese practiced it. But except for Islamic extremism and sharia and establishing a caliphate nothing in recent memory comes even close. Olberman mis-characterized the whole 30's appeasement kerfuffle by Chamberlin. He got his history and personalities and their political strategies assbackwards. He really doesn't understand the history of that time, period. So go ahead and make a fool of yourself and most likely your public school education and call people Nazi's, fascists, etc. since you lack the historical vocabulary to manage a debate without resort to ad hominem.

    "Maybe, as a concerned poster, you should question their fear of dissenting opinions"
    Posted by: Matticus Finch at August 31, 2006 02:09 PM


    it is a private site. i really couldn't give 2 shits about their personal blog's rules/regs.

    what i DO care about is an out-of-control executive branch.

    i'll save my questions about the squelching of our freedoms for the president and his cronies, they are the one's that actually have the power to affect my life.


    "What did you say to get deleted from this site?"

    That's a good question. I certainly didn't delete any comment of his. I suggest you take his claim with at least a grain of salt unless Mr Cox, whose policy is NOT to delete comments, says otherwise.

    Good, an honest debate, Sampson. Please tell me how they're squelching your freedoms.

    aonymous (check your spelling),

    LOL...the same way Neil Cavuto had Dick on his show so he could spew lies and rhetoric to memorized FauxNews viewers? It doesn't make too much sense to attack dissent and opinion, then sit back and absorb flawed policies that are destroying our country. FauxNews is beating the drum and the righties are marching in lockstep.

    Once again people, read my post above. In reply to the comment made by "Liberals are insurgents", all I can say is this:

    Defending the constitution by vocalizing disagreements toward the policies of those in power is one of the best things the people can do. The people elected this government, and we are allowed to respond when we think these leaders are violating their obligations to their constituency and the constitution itself. Doing this does not make us liberal or conservative, it makes us RIGHT by the rule of the laws of the United States of America.

    Rev. Jason Dodson,

    We are allowed to respond when we think these leaders are violating their obligations to their constituency and the constitution itself. Doing this does not make us liberal or conservative, it makes us RIGHT by the rule of the laws of the United States of America.

    Not so much. What you think doesn't necessarily make you right. You can think it, you can say it, but it doesn't make you right. That's the distinction that Mr. Rumsfeld was saying yesterday that many didn't 'get'.

    There are many good opinions on this site today that focus on the content of last night's "comment". I choose to think about the outcome of that moment.

    The "The Howard Beale" award? Yes. Edward R. Murrow award? Doubtful.

    The most appropriate award for KO could be that little tasteless gold sculpture (re: Baby Cruise). You know...that's the one that was featured on his show thus creating another lofty moment in TV journalism. This award has not yet been named. Any suggestions? Of course, the presenter of the award should be the "one and only Michael Musto".

    Matticus Finch

    The comment that got zapped was about a poster named "mike" who let loose earlier with a really looney slam against the lefties. It reminded me of a guy who used to post on Fark who went by the name Mike_71, and I pointed out the similarities. Oddly enough, the post is now gone.

    To those unfamiliar with Fark political discussions, Mike_71 is a legendary figure for his over-the-top pro-Bush psycho Christian rantings. He would spew out a bunch of really inflamitory stuff filled with errors, get called on the carpet for it then whine he was being picked on and leave the discussion. People post some freaky stuff on message boards, but this guy was in a class all by himself.

    f 303

    First an appeal to the authority of the Majority and then to majority opinion as being the touchstone of "true" Americanism.... while simultaneously characterizing opponents as being mindless followers (lemmings) and authoritarians who redefine patriotism as adherence to their own ideology...

    Talk about your mixed metaphors! Bet you can square circles too...

    From "Reverend Dodson": "Defending the constitution by vocalizing disagreements toward the policies of those in power is one of the best things the people can do."

    Indeed. Let's play a game good Reverend. Who said the following:

    "They talk about human rights while maintaining the most notorious prisons."

    "The Pentagon figures indicate the rise in the number of your dead and wounded, let alone the huge material losses, and let alone the collapse of the morale of the soldiers there and the increase in the suicide cases among them..."

    "The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion. The American public is way ahead of us. The United States and coalition troops have done all they can in Iraq, but it is time for a change in direction. Our military is suffering. The future of our country is at risk. We can not continue on the present course..."

    "This news indicates that what is carried by the news media does not exceed what is actually taking place on the ground. What increases doubts on the information of the White House's administration is its targeting of the news media, which carry some facts about the real situation."

    "If you like, read the humanitarian reports on the atrocities and crimes in the prisons of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo."

    "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

    "The torture that was so bad under Saddam, is equally bad under U.S. command..."

    "The wise ones know that Bush has no plan to achieve his alleged victory in Iraq."

    "If you compare the small number of the dead when Bush made that false and stupid show-like announcement from an aircraft carrier on the end of the major operations, to many times as much as this number of the killed and injured, who fell in the minor operations, you will know the truth in what I am saying, and that Bush and his administration do not have neither the desire nor the will to withdraw from Iraq for their own dubious reasons."

    And there is so much more! I'll make it more fair. Here are some names. Place the name with the statement. Do not cheat by looking up the quotes, for you only cheat yourself:

    Dick Durbin
    Osama Bin Laden
    Ahmadinejad
    Jack Murtha
    Markos "Kos" Moulitsas

    Funny how the "dissent" all sounds the same, whether coming from Islamofascist killers or from the American left!

    "Funny how the "dissent" all sounds the same, whether coming from Islamofascist killers or from the American left!

    Posted by: KfK at August 31, 2006 03:05 PM"

    ..or from the whiners on the right all throughout the Clinton adminstration. Where was all the "support the president through thick and thin" then? Would you people be supporting this war if it were Al Gore's endeavor?

    Yea, I know..unfair question, because Gore never would have invaded Iraq to fight terrorism because it doesn't make any sense.

    "Funny how the "dissent" all sounds the same, whether coming from Islamofascist killers or from the American left!

    Posted by: KfK at August 31, 2006 03:05 PM"

    ..or from the whiners on the right all throughout the Clinton adminstration. Where was all the "support the president through thick and thin" then? Would you people be supporting this war if it were Al Gore's endeavor?

    Yea, I know..unfair question, because Gore never would have invaded Iraq in response to 9/11, or to fight terrorism, because it makes no sense.

    Answer the post idiot. People didn't support Clinton because he was a degenerate liar and a scam artist who received oral gratification from teenagers in the oval office while ignoring attacks on embassies and war ships. Leave him out of this and put the name next to the post, then ask yourself why the content is virtually the same.

    Ok, moran, I'll answer you!

    "People didn't support Clinton because he was a degenerate liar and a scam artist who received oral gratification from teenagers in the oval office while ignoring attacks on embassies and war ships"

    Oh really? Then why during the height of the impeachment hearings did he have the highest approval ratings of his entire presidency? Why did the Republicans lost big time in the 1998 midterms which were right during the whole Monica thing? Why did house speaker Newt Gingrich step down the day after the 1998 midterms? Bush had to have his dad's cronies and Katherine Harris pull the strings for him to win in 2000 and Ken Blackwell did the same thing in 2004! At least Clinton won both his terms fair and square.

    If I recall correctly, Clinton won his wars (Bosnia, Kosovo), put a brutal dictator in prison (Molosevic) and balanced the budget! He also caught the people responsable for trade center bombing number one! The whole BJ thing was brought about because of a Republican funded sexual harrassment lawsuit by some dowdy parrot faced wench the GOP dug up, which they funded and gave legal counsel to, all specifically to bring him down because they were sore losers that Bush I got his ass handed to him in 1992.

    Now, why is the content virtually the same? Because dissent is dissent, regardless of who it is aimed at or to whom it pertains. My point was that the right has been hacking on the left for not blindly supporting Bush, yet at the same time, these were the same people gunning for Clinton for eight solid years! You can't have it both ways!

    "Ok, moran"

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha haha

    Nice answer! Three paragraphs about Clinton followed by "dissent is dissent"! How about placing the names by the statements you "moran"!

    Say what you want but the majority in this country want a new direction from the current administration. That is a fact!!! For years now we have put up with lie after lie, smokescreen after smokescreen in regards to the war, katrina, or whatever else the administration can conjure up. People we have been let down, time and time again. This is a far cry from the world being so united after 9/11. I remember driving through my neighborhood seeing flag after flag, I remember myself being 100% behind our president. Then things started to go awry.......lies started being told......everything our President, Vice President, Rummy and anyone else has been proven wrong.....No weapons of mass destruction, Saddam could attack United States interest with days, Saddam is linked with Al Queda...none of it was true.....and our sons and daughters, mostly made up of lower income families and children of ILLEGAL immigrants have died as a result of this.......remember when Wolfowitz said this war will pay for itself because of the amount of oil Iraq can produce.........and request after request for billions upon billions of dollars to pay for this war because it hasn't paid for itself. Why doesn't it get these RIGHTWINGERS angry..........and then we're told mission accomplished, or the insurgence are in their last thro's....oh really...well how many soldiers have died since this has happened, how many Iraqi people have dies since this statement, the people we claim we are there to help. Then you have these American companies like Haliburton bilking the military for millions of dollars.......and we're suppose to sit here and take it.....and not question our goverment......and play follow the leader. WHAT!....the preplanning of this war was terrible...atrocious!!!.......and Rummy still has his job.....then you look at the situation in Katrina where the planning of the federal goverment was atrocious....they knew about this days beforehand......and people mostly poor were made to suffer because we didn't coordinate our efforts for rescue....gee I wonder if rummy was also in that planning effort........so time after time we have seen the administration faulter, lie, blame the clinton administration, blame the media and accoriding to them we should just say....da...okay......everythings great......look at the education system, healthcare, crime number, poverty, wages, etc etc etc.........then we're told Dems and liberals are week on defense and terrorism.......well let's recap the past six years under the bushy administration.......9/11 show lack of focus on terrorism groups.....shortage of flu vaccine showing lack of preparation in case of a anthrax outbreak or other diseases........katrina showing lack of preperation in case of a natural or unnatural disaster.......beginnings of cvil war in Iraq because of lack of preparation for the war which never should have STARTED.....hamas now in control of the palastinian goverment....Iran close to having nukes....north korea having nukes.....bin laden still on the run.......I could go on but I think I've made my point.....REPULBLICANS are weak on defense!!!! not liberals and dems.........but then you here rummys speach and then trickie dickie give is speech earlier.....and I want to puke........and then whats even more ridiculous is how this website makes a claim against a TV journalist who they claim is misleading people....are u kidding me..........so you completely ignore what our current leaders in the administration are doing...completely ignore their misinformation, misdeeds, lies....whatever and focus in on KO...that makes sense!!!! Everyday I read post on here talking about his ratings, his rants, his so called misinformation.......why don't you take your energy and focus on the lies , misinformation made by the bush administration or made you don't have anough bandwith in your server to create such a large website??? why don't you do this service to your fellow americans instead of focusing on a TV jouranlist who is trying to make us think and incover the truths about the rhetoric we hear day after day......some of you claim liberal can't make apoint or result to name calling but most of you respond in the very same manner as you claim we do.....some people call me a jihadist, a jew hater.....am I reall that?...do you really mean that?........don't you realize how ignorant that is........I know everyone has a difference of a opinion...it's what makes the world go round and round......it's what makes this country great......but some of you give no credence to the opinoins of the left or of democrats and strike them down and label us as unamerican, terrorism lovers, al queda lovers, or whatever else..........we all love this country, but we have differing views as to how it should be run...can we atleast agree to that!!!

    I'm calling shennanigans on the good rev.

    You might have an internet cert in religious leadership, but so do 20,000 guys in prison.

    No chance that is where you got your ordainment?

    No thanks, I have a life. You can sit here and be part of the 101st Keyboard Brigade if you like.

    Say what you want but the majority in this country want a new direction from the current administration. That is a fact!!! For years now we have put up with lie after lie, smokescreen after smokescreen in regards to the war, katrina, or whatever else the administration can conjure up. People we have been let down, time and time again. This is a far cry from the world being so united after 9/11. I remember driving through my neighborhood seeing flag after flag, I remember myself being 100% behind our president. Then things started to go awry.......lies started being told......everything our President, Vice President, Rummy and anyone else has been proven wrong.....No weapons of mass destruction, Saddam could attack United States interest with days, Saddam is linked with Al Queda...none of it was true.....and our sons and daughters, mostly made up of lower income families and children of ILLEGAL immigrants have died as a result of this.......remember when Wolfowitz said this war will pay for itself because of the amount of oil Iraq can produce.........and request after request for billions upon billions of dollars to pay for this war because it hasn't paid for itself. Why doesn't it get these RIGHTWINGERS angry..........and then we're told mission accomplished, or the insurgence are in their last thro's....oh really...well how many soldiers have died since this has happened, how many Iraqi people have dies since this statement, the people we claim we are there to help. Then you have these American companies like Haliburton bilking the military for millions of dollars.......and we're suppose to sit here and take it.....and not question our goverment......and play follow the leader. WHAT!....the preplanning of this war was terrible...atrocious!!!.......and Rummy still has his job.....then you look at the situation in Katrina where the planning of the federal goverment was atrocious....they knew about this days beforehand......and people mostly poor were made to suffer because we didn't coordinate our efforts for rescue....gee I wonder if rummy was also in that planning effort........so time after time we have seen the administration faulter, lie, blame the clinton administration, blame the media and accoriding to them we should just say....da...okay......everythings great......look at the education system, healthcare, crime number, poverty, wages, etc etc etc.........then we're told Dems and liberals are week on defense and terrorism.......well let's recap the past six years under the bushy administration.......9/11 show lack of focus on terrorism groups.....shortage of flu vaccine showing lack of preparation in case of a anthrax outbreak or other diseases........katrina showing lack of preperation in case of a natural or unnatural disaster.......beginnings of cvil war in Iraq because of lack of preparation for the war which never should have STARTED.....hamas now in control of the palastinian goverment....Iran close to having nukes....north korea having nukes.....bin laden still on the run.......I could go on but I think I've made my point.....REPULBLICANS are weak on defense!!!! not liberals and dems.........but then you here rummys speach and then trickie dickie give is speech earlier.....and I want to puke........and then whats even more ridiculous is how this website makes a claim against a TV journalist who they claim is misleading people....are u kidding me..........so you completely ignore what our current leaders in the administration are doing...completely ignore their misinformation, misdeeds, lies....whatever and focus in on KO...that makes sense!!!! Everyday I read post on here talking about his ratings, his rants, his so called misinformation.......why don't you take your energy and focus on the lies , misinformation made by the bush administration or made you don't have anough bandwith in your server to create such a large website??? why don't you do this service to your fellow americans instead of focusing on a TV jouranlist who is trying to make us think and incover the truths about the rhetoric we hear day after day......some of you claim liberal can't make apoint or result to name calling but most of you respond in the very same manner as you claim we do.....some people call me a jihadist, a jew hater.....am I reall that?...do you really mean that?........don't you realize how ignorant that is........I know everyone has a difference of a opinion...it's what makes the world go round and round......it's what makes this country great......but some of you give no credence to the opinoins of the left or of democrats and strike them down and label us as unamerican, terrorism lovers, al queda lovers, or whatever else..........we all love this country, but we have differing views as to how it should be run...can we atleast agree to that!!!

    A note about commenting on this site and elsewhere...

    John Amato at Crooks and Liars used to allow open commenting but the threads got so bogged down with trolls that John hired some people to review the comments and delete trollish comments. It may be that Mattcus' comment was viewed as a troll comment or they may not have been sure and erred on the side of deleting it. Regardless, the intended audience for C&L is the left and he is not interested in right v. left debate in the comments. Moderating comments or banning commenters is not censorship; only the government can practice censorship. If you really want to "debate" C&L you are better off doing it via your own blog (if you don't have one start one). He will likely link back to you but other folks can find you via Google, Technorati, et al.

    As far as limits on comments on Olbermann Watch, as a general rule I do not moderate/delete comments or ban anyone. As regular readers know, I recently banned one reader and deleted comments because the person was spamming the site, promoting a rather strange personal "my space" type site. That type of situation is, by far, the exception that proves the rule.

    I don't know what to make of THIS exchange:

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    Anonymous-2:32 PM wrote "I've had a post removed from this board just this morning!"

    Matticus Finch wrote "What did you say to get deleted from this site? Seems to me that Mr. Cox is pretty lenient."

    zappaisfrank wrote "The comment that got zapped was about a poster named "mike" who let loose earlier with a really looney slam against the lefties. It reminded me of a guy who used to post on Fark who went by the name Mike_71, and I pointed out the similarities. Oddly enough, the post is now gone.

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    As regular readers of Olbermann Watch know, I leave up comments that make personal attacks against me, defend/support Olbermann and link pro-Olby sites and threads. It is absurd to claim that I would "zap" a comment about someone name "mike", especially due to some supposed connection to an infamous commenter on FARK. If such a comment was posted to the site and did not appear on the site that would most likely be due to technical issue. I'd suggest you retry posting the comment and if you still have a problem send it to me and I will post it for you .

    A few other points...

    aquarius is disputing the claim on the home page that Olbermann Watch is "The #1 ranked Keith Olberman site in the World.". I know you love KO so I have bad news for you...

    Olbermann Watch IS the #1 ranked KO site. That is based on Google and Technorati rankings. Go ahead and Google "olbermann" and tell me what you see. I believe what you will find is that Olbermann Watch is the third search result in the list behind the "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" page on MSNBC.com and Keith's "Bloggerman" page on MSNBC.com. Those pages are not "Keith Olbermann sites" but pages on the MSNBC.com site, a news site. There are many other Olbermann sites (all that I know of are listed in the rail along the right-hand side of the home page of OlbyWatch). They all have significantly lower page ranks that Olbermann Watch. If you look at the numbers you will see that they have a LONG LONG WAY to go to catch this site.

    How what does the tag line "The #1 ranked Keith Olberman site in the World" should tell you about "honesty"? Seems like it tells you something you don't want to hear. Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?

    I object to this comment from "a viewer" who writes " This is just about the second to third worst site I've ever heard of" and labels olbywatch readers "hateful, ignorant, fascists." First, we are not "ignorant" and second what other site are you ranking below Olbermann Watch?

    Reply to Matticus:

    Honestly though, Keith may not like the policies of neoconservatives, and neither do I, but he at least speaks his mind and tries to show the errors of the neoconservatives. There aren't many people in the media who will stand up and fight it. I would gladly take an anchor job just so that I could point out the constitutional violations that the neoconservatives have committed. But I wouldn't play on emotions as much as Keith though.

    Seriously, Rumsfeld needs to look at himself and question his own decisions and the decisions of his department before he begins to question the morality and intellect of those who are critical about the conflict. Rumsfeld isn't the only problem, as I said in my main post above. But surely Rumsfeld knows that by stating such a comment that he just lumped many organizations and individuals (probably upwards of nearly one hundred million people in America) into the category of being ignorant or immoral. Where I grew up, if I said such a thing to someone, I would have got my behind whooped. If I said that to my parents, I would have got my behind whooped.

    If the neoconservatives would embrace the original true conservative foreign policy (instead of this preemptive nonsense) then I wouldn't have too much of a problem with what they stand for. However, we are facing a future financial problem that will last for decades if we don't change our military strategy and our international foreign policy very, very soon. Vietnam still affects our economy, and we are thirty years out of that one. We are spending so much money in Iraq that it may dwarf Vietnam in real dollars, and it's obvious to me that terrorism is on the rise despite our international military policy- they aren't "fighting us there so they won't attack us here in the US"- since the administration made that statement, terrorists have bombed Spain, England, Jordan, Chechnya, and India among others, and we've arrested people in plots to harm the US and Canada right here in North America. Terrorism is going to exist no matter how many people we kill around the world. We must use our most innovative technologies such as laser and wave technologies (we are spending money on them, you know) and we should shift the focus to national defense and have a space weaponry program where we can fight a battle from above and save lives in the process. Conventional war is dirty and it costs lives and money, and like I said, we will never defeat terrorism, because where there is negativity and "evil", there will always be someone wanting to blow something up to get their point across.

    Reply to Paul:

    Did I question your credentials? Nevertheless, I have an Associate of Theology from Cathedral Bible College, Los Angeles, California, I have been ordained by Somers Community Church (non-denominational but rooted in Pentecostal/Apostolic faith) in Corinth, Illinois where I was also the Music Minister from 2001 to 2004. I am also Certified Financial Consultant from John A. Logan college in Carterville, Illinois, and I am the Assistant Manager at my job. What do you do, sir?

    I am indeed a very, VERY conservative person in my private life. Like the founding fathers, I know how to govern the freedom of the public while maintaining my personal beliefs.

    Look at how the poor little leftist runs from the truth! Like a true coward he took his ball home and quit!

    "I know how to govern the freedom of the public"

    Yes, Governing freedom is what the American left is all about.

    Zappa- huh?

    Look at how the poor little leftist runs from the truth! Like a true coward he took his ball home and quit!

    Posted by: Zappa is dead at August 31, 2006 04:43 PM

    It's not that at all, I just have other things to do and don't have time to sit and argue on the internet with a nitwit.

    If you're such a brave man, why aren't you enlisted in the military and over in Iraq fighting for what you believe in instead of banging away on a keyboard?

    Did I question your credentials? Nevertheless, I have an Associate of Theology from Cathedral Bible College, Los Angeles, California, I have been ordained by Somers Community Church (non-denominational but rooted in Pentecostal/Apostolic faith) in Corinth, Illinois where I was also the Music Minister from 2001 to 2004. I am also Certified Financial Consultant from John A. Logan college in Carterville, Illinois, and I am the Assistant Manager at my job. What do you do, sir?

    I am indeed a very, VERY conservative person in my private life. Like the founding fathers, I know how to govern the freedom of the public while maintaining my personal beliefs.

    KfK, "governing the freedom of the American public" means that leaders should ensure the original Constitutional rights of Americans by governing fairly and being truly "mindful" of the needs (life, liberty, and prosperity) of the common people of this nation. Leaders are supposed to maintain law and order, not seek out people to kill ahead of time. Such governing qualities are not liberal or conservative- they are qualities of a free republic. As a true Goldwater conservative, I understand this. Conservatives are getting a bad name due to the neoconservative's poor judgment with regard to military, international, and domestic policy. It is as if a think-tank or a cult took over the country after the Kennedy assassination. Goldwater should have been elected in 1964.

    Do you think that we'll ever get to the point where we can critique what people say and what their ideas are without having to throw out childish insults and references.

    I mean, I know people like that stuff and all, but it's hardly productive and beneficial. Just because you can make a baby laugh by chewing with your mouth open doesn't mean that you should.

    Keith Olbermann is wonderful

    I thank God for Keith's courageous commentary on Rumsfeld

    In our darkest hour we need more brave men like Olbermann. His show is the only news program my entire family watches together. Typically immediately before or after dinner. We would honored for Keith to join us at our dinner table any time. History will honor those corporate news executives who allow courageous newsmen like Keith Olbermann to speak truth to power.

    Posted by: Rev. Jason Dodson at August 31, 2006 04:16 PM

    yo Rev, please come back in the evening sometime -- when a religious rightwing nutjob named Pat Faegan hangs out here. man, would you two ever lock satanic horns on politics, et al. it'd be great fun to watch two bible-believing simpletons from opposite sides of the aisle go at it.

    Anonymous...now why make a comment like that......I actually found rev comments actually interesting, I don't agree with them but at least he is offering his views and not making stupid comments like Emperor, Nick, or puck do. At least he has a well thought out idea and he wants to have a debate....pat on the other hand things all dems are baby killers......

    Religion -- the root of all evil.

    the middle east ... jews and arabs fighting over desert bequethed to them by their one, true, "right" "god" ... radical islam ... the bush administration ... terry schiavo ... stem cell research ... the spanish inquisition ... the catholic church ... sun myung moon ... david koresh ... the mormons ... al-qaeda ... the (im)moral majority ... focus on the family ... and on and on and on and on ...

    Well, anonymous, I am well educated and I read Aristotle and Plato just as much as I read Jesus and Moses.

    Regardless, thanks for the defense BushWushy, and I just wanted to spread some light around here today. I probably won't be back due to time restraints, but thanks for the fun and visit my myspace sometime!....www.myspace.com/jdodson7

    Your friend,
    Rev. Jason

    Anyone notice how many duplicate lefty posts there are? You folks need to calm the f*** down.

    "And that is important in any long struggle or long war, where any kind of moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong, can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere. "

    I consider myself a conservative. A fed up conservative. I have read this quote and reread it many times with shock. I have never been a supporter of our action in Iraq and now have to hope for the best, that our troops can repair the damage done by poor planning. I trust them much more than those in charge. I am no way morally or intellectually confused on this matter. My stance does not weaken this country. I am insulted that our own Secretary of Defense would tell me this. Political disagreement in times of struggle does not weaken our country. It is the debate that makes this country the best in the world. Having someone from our administration frame the issue this way gives me great pause. We've become such a fractured society these days and media people like Olbermann, O'reilly, & Limbaugh to name a few. have done nothing but ruin the art of debate in this country. They edit soundbites, they name call, and they paint everything in black & white. The are either infomercials for Democrats or Republicans. Our leaders have taken this cue on our media appetites and used it against us and so we get speeches like Rumsfelds or grandstanding pointless commentary from an idiot like Howard Dean. Olbermann is wrong to equate the quote from Rumsfeld above as fascist. That is far from the truth. He is though right to feel angry at what Rumsfeld has implied about political discourse in a time of war.

    You Bush supporters are PATHETIC...you believe every word this megalomaniac dictator spews from his mouth, and when anyone questions him they are insane, stupid, a liar, or a traitor. The founding fathers of this nation would have lined you up and dumped you into Boston Harbor with the tea.

    You make me sick..

    Way to go Keith, tell it like it is!!!

    Damail

    you "quoted" rummy as having said:

    "Today's terrorists pose the same threat as yesteryear's Nazis; critics of the war in Iraq are like the appeasers before World War II; the real problem is that "the media" spreads "lies" and "myths" about how the war is going."

    he never did. that was written by slate's fred kaplan. http://www.slate.com/id/2148344

    the text of rumsfeld's speach is here: http://www.defenselink.mil/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=1033

    olberman and kaplan and the ap all lied to you. dumbass.

    911 was an inside job carried out by global elites masquerading as conservative republicans to dismantle our Constitution and Bill of Rights via The Patriot Act 1&2 and the North American Union. They are able to carry this out in plane sight by employing mind control techniques through government controlled education and mass media. You can see this clearly by their refusal to debate serious facts and employing juvenile tactics of name calling and belittling anyone who doesn’t goose-step exactly to their talking points. We live in a time where just the word "conspiracy" automatically evokes from the population the word "crazy" unless a government prosecutor charges "conspiracy" against a citizen, then its perfectly justified, because our government wouldn’t lie. Even though they do every day, that’s called double think. Wake up! The news isn’t really the news, it’s the opinions the powerful want you to have, nothing more.

    Well you're right about one thing. 9/11 was a conspiracy, but it was masterminded by Osama Bin Laden. Your ranting, raving post and talk of conspiracy theories clearly reveals why you find Olbermann so appealing.

    Brandon,

    And you know this because the government and news media told you so by September 12, 2001? Did you know on 911 there where only 14 aircraft protecting the continential United States? And people say NORAD didnt stand down... But I apprieciate you not resorting to name calling.

    Brandon,

    And you know this because the government and news media told you so by September 12, 2001? Did you know on 911 there where only 14 aircraft protecting the continential United States? And people say NORAD didnt stand down... But I apprieciate you not resorting to name calling.

    "you believe every word this megalomaniac dictator spews from his mouth . . .
    Way to go Keith, tell it like it is!!!"

    Heh.

    "Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism."

    Simple question: Does this sound more like the terrorists or the Bush administration?

    Last night my liberal Aunt Evelyn {83) from NYC called to get a copy Olbie's anti-Rumsfeld rant.
    I was watching CSPAN at the time; but pulled it
    up and read the contents to her.
    Wow, what a nut job. He painted Rummy at out of
    touch as Neville Chamberlain. He correctly pegged
    Churchill as the hero. Wait a second Keithy, wasn't Churchill like the real Donald a hawk? Your lack of logical thinking, ability to rationalize your ridiculous point of view is the
    intellectual equivalent of a quadruple summersault off the 3 meter platform that can only be approached by Rosemary Woods famous 18 1/2 minute backflip in the oval office in 1972.

    Last night my liberal Aunt Evelyn {83) from NYC called to get a copy Olbie's anti-Rumsfeld rant.
    I was watching CSPAN at the time; but pulled it
    up and read the contents to her.
    Wow, what a nut job. He painted Rummy at out of
    touch as Neville Chamberlain. He correctly pegged
    Churchill as the hero. Wait a second Keithy, wasn't Churchill like the real Donald a hawk? Your lack of logical thinking, ability to rationalize your ridiculous point of view is the
    intellectual equivalent of a quadruple summersault off the 3 meter platform that can only be approached by Rosemary Woods famous 18 1/2 minute backflip in the oval office in 1972.

    Churchill......Chamberlain. Martin its a bit of a reach but. Did Keith have a Malmondy,Normandy moment???? DAMM! GOTTA LOVE THAT KARMA!!!!!!

    As of 11:14 a.m. Keith is number 7 on Amazon! Oh wait, numbers don't matter to libs. Oh well, Can Keith ring the bell? will he reach number 1???

    Freakonomics and Pat Buchanan lie ahead at number 3 and 1.

    stay tuned!

    Puck,

    Would that be Olbermann's Worst Person in the World book wherein the vast majority of the worsties are people who don't hold his political views?

    How he stifle, censor, and squelch them!.... :D

    Puck,

    Would that be Olbermann's Worst Person in the World book wherein the vast majority of the worsties are people who don't hold his political views?

    How dare he stifle, censor, and squelch them!.... :D

    Do you mean to say that the Olby-Rummy kerflufflue might just be a ploy to sell books? Boost ratings?

    Say it ain't so!

    The Rumsfeld kerfluffle is a strategy to keep the 9-11 anniversary from having a positive impact on the administration.

    I don't think Olbermann had book sales in mind when he did his tirade. He was merely doing what he always does... evoking totalitarian regimes and imagery--- McCarthy, fascists, Big Brother... in an attempt to squelch others by accusing them of trying to squelch others....

    As for the book thing, I hope his book goes to #1 since his tirade. That way it will be harder for Olbermann to bill himself, and for MSNBC to bill him, as being an impartial all around critic.... instead of being what he is-- the left's Ann Coulter.

    Ann Coulter, bombthrower that she is, will at least step in the ring and take on those who disagree with her. This is what makes Olbermann such a hypocrite. He wants you to think the government is stifling dissent over the Iraq war (it is doing no such thing), but the truth is that Olbermann stifles dissent from his radical viewpoints by permitting only those who parrot his viewpoint on Meltdown and never exposing himself to rigorous questioning or scrutiny of his views. In this way, Orange Boy is trying to control the message which is the mission of a propaganda peddler.

    You guys jump all over anybody who criticizes Bush policy, and call them nasty names. I have heard that line before, from Ashcroft among others.

    Here is something to think about. When Bush says that the fact he is commander-in-chief of the military means that he can disobey any law he wants to, he is rejecting the law that gives him legal authority. You cannot claim authority under a law you yourself reject. Read the Constitution.

    The C-in-C powers do not supersede the rest of the Constitution, but must be exercised within its limts. The whole thing applies, not just part of it, and one part does not override the others.

    Refusal to respect the rule of law while claiming unlimited powers is the dictionary definition of fascism.

    In the last declared war the U.S. fought, WWII, the president at that time told us that we had nothing to fear but fear itself. The current occupant of the White House continually drums up fear - and uses that fear to try to frighten citizens into giving up the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.

    He says that it is temporary, just during the war, but then adds that the war will last possibly forever, decades at least, and that it will not end until he says it's over. Decades of absolute power is not a temporary wartime measure - it's a dictatorship. No government has ever given up such power voluntarily once they have gotten it.

    The veterans who fought and died for America did not serve expecting that the Constitution they fought for would be ignored and violated.

    These are the facts, whether or not they are comfortable.

    It is time to face facts, people. Just because Rumsfeld says something does not make it true. It is interesting that Bush only speaks in front of crowds that have been carefully screened to remove people who disagree with him or question his policies.

    Should we trust people whose statements have been proved false time and again? They may not be lying - I cannot read minds - they may just have the wrong end of the stick.

    Either way, basing policies on falsehoods inevitably results in disaster.

    I hope you will think about this next time Rumsfeld calls his critics nasty names instead of answering criticism with reasoned arguments based on verifiable fact.

    Michael B. Kaye

    Michael-

    The current occupant of the White House continually drums up fear

    What you call fear, I call resolve. Personally, I don't think it's drummed up, either.

    The veterans who fought and died for America did not serve expecting that the Constitution they fought for would be ignored and violated.

    True. They also did not serve expecting that our cities would be attacked and innocent civilians slaughtered, either. Who knows what they'd think about today's events. The only thing we have to go by, when talking about those brave veterans, is the standing ovation Mr. Rumsfeld got when he gave his speech the other day. Not to be obtuse, but you don't speak for them, and neither do I.

    , and that it will not end until he says it's over

    Well, he's only got half a term left in office. You don't think he'll forcibly stay, do you?

    Refusal to respect the rule of law while claiming unlimited powers is the dictionary definition of fascism.

    Admittedly, President Bush has tested the extent of his presidential powers. Some have tested this in court, and courts have made decisions based on these. If the highest court rules against him on these matters, he must adhere to their ruling. Checks and balances, Michael. It works.

    It is interesting that Bush only speaks in front of crowds that have been carefully screened to remove people who disagree with him or question his policies.

    Boy, he must have had his work cut out for him when he spoke at the NAACP a couple of weeks ago.

    Bottom line, Michael, our President is not a fascist, you just don't agree with him.

    There you go! No attacks, my friend.

    The current occupant of the White House continually drums up fear

    What you call fear, I call resolve. Personally, I don't think it's drummed up, either.

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    2004 -- VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DIE !
    2006 -- VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DIE !
    2008 -- VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DIE !

    And Michael, I don't agree with him on many things. This War on Terrorism is just one where I do. In my opinion he spends too much, and I think he's wrong on illegal immigration.

    Anon, what are you talking about? BTW, getting a nic may help us keep all the Anons straight.

    I don't think Rumsfeld had book sales in mind when he did his tirade. He was merely doing what he always does ... evoking totalitarian regimes and communism and the war on terror ... in an attempt to squelch others ...

    If his ratings are so bad as you say then why do you feel it necessary to devote any time (let alone an entire website) to his show ?

    Obsess much?

    The Rock the Vote folks wore shirts that actually read "Vote or Die".

    Then there was also the phoney draft reinstatement alert e-mails that they sent out too.

    Please, you have to be kidding me? Never before have I read such impressive tripe. For all the accusations, the conclusions and comparisons drawn, where is a single fact in the whole narrative? Keith Olbermann is grinding his axe but has no teeth to eat with. He is constantly spewing about the great crimes and conspiracies of the current administration, but has yet to ever give us anything but his opinion; you know the dissenting opinion that he says Rumy is trying to quash? Obviously no one has shut him up yet. And if your going to try to draw comparisons to governments and wars, at least stay on one side of the argument. You can?t debate both sides at the same time. Must I constantly remind everyone that most of the problems he has claimed that the current administration has botched are actually clean up jobs left over from the years of mismanagement of the previous democratic administration. If you don?t get this then I can show you the tapes and congressional records where the previous admin. and many dems. had stated that Sadam was a threat that we knew Osama was a threat when he was handed to Clinton on a silver platter. I can show you the pictures of the airplanes buried in the desert and the reports of the WMD?s That every one not just Bush-men agreed were a threat and real. As far as Katrina goes, are we forgetting whose responsibility it was to have a disaster plan? Whose administration kept voting to put money into tourism on the French Quarter and not to improve the levees? Oops! wouldn?t that fall to Mayor Nagan? And the busses that the federal government failed to provide or even stage for that disaster? Guess we?ve forgotten the thousand busses that belonged to the New Orleans School district? The Real Question we need to ask is not about what Olbermann and the rest of the main stream media want to point us to, but what they want us to see and not see. Where are the pictures coming from on the internet of troops helping Iraqis and protecting children, that we never see main stream? Where is fair and balanced when stories that aren?t supportive of the liberal movement are never told? Fascism maybe, but not In our government as Keith would have us believe but in the media for misleading us and showing the half truths, slants, and biases, but presenting them as the whole truth, as fair and balanced.

    Mark

    Common sense, Don't trust those who rule by appealing to your darker angles and fear!

    Common sense: don't believe anything Olbernuttjob says.

    Common sense: don't believe anything Olbernuttjob says.

    It's good to see that you lunatic Bush defenders still have a few friends to post with...God Bless Keith and his brave/genius rant...Bush, Rummy, and the rest are criminals who will get the justice that's coming to them eventually

    Keith is a true American, as Americans should be be.

    To Mark. How is this for proof: Cheney is getting 1,000,000 a year from his old company Haliburton, the parent company of Kellog, Brown and Root. The company "won" a no-bid contract to feed and house soldiers in Iraq. Also, to blame 911 on Clinton is absurd. Take part of your next paycheck and buy a clue!

    Is Keith personally going to Cuba to cover the anti-American summit?? Sounds like something
    he will give positive coverage to on his show
    since nobody seems to hate America more than
    he does. He can probably get Castro and
    the geeks from Veneszuela and Iran to buy his
    stupid book while he's there. Who can stomach
    to watch his show.

    To Karen: Keith Olbermann is the only guy besides Lou Dobbs who is standing up for middle Ameerica and telling people how this current administration is tearing this country apaet at the seams. Have you seen the President's approval ratings lately. More than half of America, yes Americans, dont think the President is doing right by the American people. Did you see where American flags were taken away from anti-war protesters in a town in Iowa? Yes, that's right, Our vice president was attending a fund raiser in Iowa for a republican there, and some folks organized an anti-war protest. People had small American flags taken from them because they may have been "used as weapons." Yeah, right. I've never seen anything more un-american and that came from our stellar vice president. So before you start calling Olbermann "anti-American," do some research and see what our government is doing.

    Ron,

    This site is "Olbermann" Watch nto "Cheney" watch. Start your own blog and maybe I will link to you!

    GET OFF THE AIR

    GET OFF THE AIR THAT IS AS CLOSE TO NOT BEING ABUSIVE AS I CAN GET, I THINK IT MUST ALL BE LEFT TO KEITH. IS THAT RIGHT? HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN BE ABUSIVE? UH HUH I SEE QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED/

    Is Ann Boaz's another post on schizophrenia or something? She seems to be asking and answering her own questions...

    The only thing Keith cares about is his pitiful
    ratings....certainly not the American people.
    And if it is true that Cheney had American flags
    taken away from liberal protestors during his
    visit to Iowa it would have been headline breaking news on all the liberal channels for
    days - and who do you think would have been the
    WPITW???? I do plenty of research, thanks, and
    know enough to be thankful we have a Republican
    administration.

    By the way, when was Osama Bin Ladin,
    or any other terrorist for that matter, ever
    named a Worst Person in the World? Guess I must
    have missed it.

    Robert, you're absoloutly right. I wouldn't want to confuse anyone with the facts. I think you and Kathy should listen to other people besides Lush Limbaugh and Sean Shamitty; the talking heads of the Republican party. Yes Kathy, you are also right. It is strange how the flag confiscation wasn't major news. That is sooo strange. Google "american flags confiscated in Iowa" and see what you find. There are alternative news sources out there besides cable news, people.

    Rob,

    Why assume Karen only gets her news from cable and Rush Limbaugh, when you admit that the information wasn't widely reported anywhere.

    I googled "american flags confiscated in Iowa" for both web and news and got nothing. I googled "American flags" "Cheney", "Iowa" for both web and news and got only a piece on the Mother Jones website.

    Now I won't quibble at all that the progressive Mother Jones site is certainly a valid alternative news site.

    What you, of course, seem obvious to, is the irony in your chiding Karen for being so politically blinkered as to get all her information from talk radio and Fox News (your assumption) instead of having headed over to MOTHER JONES! :D

    I am not sure what you think it proves about Cheney that local police in Iowa confiscated some flags or that one or two officers thought they could prevent photographers from photographing them in public. Are you proposing that evil Dick Cheney's web of includes the Davenport police department?

    I read the Mother Jones piece and saw they linked a photo of protestors before the "confiscation". I see just one rather larger flad and no small flags.

    http://www.qcprogressiveaction.org/thePhotos/protestPics/HPIM0076.JPG

    Could it be that they were worried that a large pole of a certain thickness could be used as a weapon? Were they overzealous? I don't know and the article certainly does not make that clear. There is nothing in the piece that suggests that Cheney himself ordered anything about flag removal. Is it possible that in a world where al Qaeda is putting bombs in the sole of a shoe that someone was worried that a long, thick stick could be hollowed and filled with C-4 explosives? I don't know, the article does not say and so your hyperventilating over this supposed abridgement of freedoms is just that - hot air.

    Cecilia, I truly dont even know who or what Mother Jones is. I was "chiding" Karen because she accusses Keith Olbermann as being unamerican. I take issue with anyone who calls anyone who happens to disagree with our governemt, regardless of who is in office, as unamerican. Many men and women have died so we can freely express ourselves about what our government is doing. That includes what kind of wars they want to wage, how they spend our tax dollars, or any other reason. I used to be a fairly right wing conservative myself. I'm sure most conservatives would say "liberlas got a hold of me and brainwashed me" as I heard Limbaugh say on numerous occasions. I respect Karens right to support Bush. That's her choice. But don't bash Olbermann because he thinks this president is ruining this country. According to the latest poles, about 65% of Americans also think so. I'm not going to defend the Cheney thing....If you cant find anything, sorry....I found it with a pic of two very large police officers taking flags, small flags away from two elderly women. I take issue with Bush and Cheney because like Olbermann, I think they are taking us down a road to destruction. How worse does this "war on terror" have to get before people question what we're doing over there. It has cost us $500 Billion and there seems to be no end in sight. There is a record crop of poppys in Afghanistan this year. So much for the war on drugs! Our borders have people flowing across them everyday by the hundreds and our president wants to do nothing about it! Do we have to wait until the United States of America is a thrid world country before we do something about this? You can dismiss what I say and call me an alarmist. Most of us will be around to see how things pan out in the next 5 to 10 years. I'm glad people y'all, Karen, Robert, and you at least care enough to have dialouge about this. Most are to wrapped up in everyday life to think or care about it. Good day to all.

    Rob,

    Reread your post that drew my response and you'll be reminded that you did indeed chide Kathy for you own assumptions about her information sources.

    As to your views and Olbermann's views, of course, they are fair game for anyone to critique, deplore, and bash you over them.

    You may not enjoy that but it seems you return the favor in kind. I think the charge of unamericanism is nearly always hyperbolic and wrong, but it seems to be just one more turn on a path that political discourse has taken in the last couple of decades, as you've already pointed out. I didn't appreciate Howard Dean and John Kerry's rhetoric about "taking back our country", as though it is in the hands of martians and a debate on the tax system on any message board was replete with charges of a lack of patriotism from their inception in the early ninties.

    It's my position that if a kinder, gentler, more reasoned debate is truly an issue burning in your breast then you must start by taking such a track yourself. Trying to paint your opponents as Dittoheads and the like is not the way.

    You say, "But don't bash Olbermann because he thinks this president is ruining this country", Well why the hell not? What makes him sacrosant? The man is making passionate political denouncements on his tv show, promoing upcoming editorializing on his part, along with promoting a book that for the most part is a bash against people to the right of his political views. Why is it wrong to analyze his stated views and to criticise and rebut them. He has NO difficulty doing that with opponents.

    It certainly contradicts everything you've argued on the lines of speaking truth to power, to then argue that we should pull punches because the majority don't support the war any longer. Did you pull them when they did support it? How does capitulating to popular opinion jive with your rhetoric about speaking truth no matter the fall-out?

    Too, doesn't it reveal Olbermann's lack of appreciation for political dissent that he doesn't offer it on his show?

    Again, you'd do well analyse your own logic and reasoning when you discuss the patterns of current political discourse and when you voice an outrage over the rhetoric and the reasoning
    of your opponents.

    You'd do well to look in the mirror.

    "According to the latest poles, about 65% of Americans also think this president is ruining this country."

    There are no such "poles" or "polls. In fact, "is the President 'ruining' this country" has never been a question in any major poll.

    "the Cheney thing....If you cant find anything, sorry....I found it with a pic of two very large police officers taking flags, small flags away from two elderly women."

    No link? Gee, why am I not surprised? And again, how do the actions of two "very large police officers" in Davenport, Iowa reflect on Vice President Cheney. This is starting to sound like some "urban myth" among the libs floated on some blogs.

    "It has cost us $500 Billion and there seems to be no end in sight."

    Are you objecting to the amount of money spent or that there is "no end in sight"? Do you mean that if we had spent 10 times that amount then there WOULD be an end in sight? Or do you mean that we should not have spent ANY money because even after spending it there is still "no end in sight"? Do you have a point here or is it just typical OlbyLoon speak where we are all supposed to "understand" the "message" you are "sending"?

    "There is a record crop of poppys in Afghanistan this year. So much for the war on drugs!"

    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It appears to be you lifting a talking point from the Dem-MSM talking points on how "even Afghanistan" is "being lost" and tossing it against the wall. Do you have an actual point?

    "Our borders have people flowing across them everyday by the hundreds and our president wants to do nothing about it!"
    I wish it were "hundreds" of people sneaking into this country every day - more like thousands. I'm not sure how you get the idea that the President does not want to do anything about it since he has proposed legislation and been jawboning this issue for the past year. The problem is not the President here but special interests among Republicans who want cheap labor to run their businesses and among Democrats who want more people dependent on the government. And that both parties are looking to win the hispanic vote and are afraid of alienating hispanics.

    Do we have to wait until the United States of America is a thrid world country before we do something about this?

    I sure hope not. I don't think you will get a lot of argument here that the first thing we need to do is stop the current flow of illegals coming across the Mexican border. Then we can talk about guest worker programs or arrest and repatriation or paths to citizenship.

    Perhaps

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    Boy, Cecelia and Robert C. you guys are good. While I DO listen to Rush and Sean, isn't it
    obvious I also watch MSNBC - how else would I be so enlightened by KO. I do have to depend on Rush and Sean to get the true story tho, since there is nothing "fair and balanced" on MSNBC. It amazes me when they say Bush hasn't done anything since he's been President, then they proceed to criticize everything he has done or tried to do! Which is it? Maybe if the libs would focus their hatred toward the real enemy (the terrorists) instead of the current administration, we could have won this war by now. If they don't hate America, why do they always blame America first??

    Sorry for being so ignorant as to not know about the current events in Iowa, but like I said, if it were true the world would know about it. I choose to get my news on TV and in the newspapers and don't feel I need to go and google negative news reports on the Bush administration to be informed. The liberal media does a pretty good job of that on its own.

    > I take issue with anyone who calls anyone who happens to disagree with our governemt, regardless of who is in office, as unamerican.

    This is especially ironic coming from an Olbypologist, who didn't utter one peep of disagreement when Krazy Keith declared that BUSH was un-American. If you're going to take issue with "anyone" who says that, I'll believe it when you send off your letter of protest to the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

    Thanks, Karen.

    As for your other remarks, I'm going to take it that you are saying that Limbaugh and Hannity give you a political perspective you don't often hear from guests and from the punditry shows on MSNBC, rather than that you do not understand the difference between the roles of reporters and pundits (Though goodness knows MSNBC reporter David Shuster doesn't understand it.)

    My opinion is that MSNBC is generally balanced, with Countdown being the only show that does not allow Republicans/conservatives on to answer the many charges against them or to air views that oppose the way that Olbermann has framed an issue.

    We've seen Johnny's list of Democrat pols and known liberals allowed on Countdown to speak for their side.

    Republicans, however, must depend on Howard Fineman and Craig Crawford...