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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004

    September 19, 2006


    Host: Keith Olbermann


    • SHOWDOWN AT THE U.N.: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek
    • HOW TO HANDLE DETAINEES: Jonathan Turley, George Washington University Law professor
    • ADMINISTRATION INCOMPETENCE?: Robert Greenwald, producer of "Iraq for Sale"
    • HOWARD STERN BACK TO REGULAR RADIO: Michael Harrison, editor of Talkers Magazine

    Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? Probably none of them, given how Countdown is still mired in a poor fourth place among 8:00 pm cable news offerings. But that didn't stop the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, who launched into his opening spiel bellowing about Colin Powell (six days later and he's still flogging this story!), the UN speech, and Halliburton. (snigger "He said Halliburton!" snigger)

    The lead story was "Mister" Bush vs Colin Powell. Quotes from the Washington Post. Olby characterized the quotes as regarding a plan to "rewrite" the Geneva Conventions, but that was just another Olbermann lie. The quote from Gen Powell mentioned "modify", "clarify", and "redefine", but never used the OlbySpin term "rewrite".

    KO then swerved to the President's UN speech, missing its main thrust and choosing to summarize it thusly:

    At the UN he divided the world at large into two groups: us and them.

    The Wolffe Man was asked if the "silence" that "prevailed" during the "Mister" Bush's speech pretty much tells the story of how he was received at the UN, and Wolffie was quick to draw comparisons to the standing ovation that Annan was given. Olby dragged Powell into it again, referencing how "damaging" the Bush/Powell dispute is and looking to magnify it as much as possible:

    Could it mushroom, could this get really big on the domestic political front?

    The Wolffe Man, knowing which side his bread is buttered on, made a passing reference to the President's Rose Garden reaction, the one that Herr Olbermann has been twisting like a pretzel for the past several days. Wolffie earned himself an invite to return, for sure. KO went on to make the bizarre claim that George Schultz is one of the people who is "supposed to be leading" the Republican Party, "at least symbolically". Yeah, those GOPers have Schultz Day Dinners, name airports after him and everything! He's the heart and soul of the Republican party. The air must really be thin up there on OlbyPlanet.

    Then we got another appearance from The Perfessor, because hearing from him less than a week ago just wasn't enough. Krazy Keith's first question had nothing to do with legalities at all--he wanted The Perfessor to speculate on Powell's motives, which JT was more than happy to do, since it allowed him to spout off about American is actually creating more terrorists and the usual talking points.

    Olby brought up how "torture" results in "falsely positive" information that can't be trusted. But since KSM gave up "truly positive" information that proved to be true and led us to more terrorists, it is therefore not torture at all. So whatever we used on KSM, that's what we use from now on. It's not torture, and it works. Problem solved! Neither KO nor the Perfessor seemed to grasp this elemental logic.

    For his part, Turley claimed there's no need to "redefine" the Geneva Conventions, adding "we've never had to do this before". This is patently preposterous on several levels. The Supreme Court "redefined" Common Article 3 by applying it to international terrorists, when by its own plain language it only applies to civil wars. And how many Protocols interpreting the Geneva Conventions have been proposed and/or passed since 1949? We don't expect a dim bulb like Olby to know about these, but certainly a distinguished Perfessor ought to be aware of them. Was JT abysmally ignorant, or deliberately fabricating to earn himself another trip to The Hour of Spin? We report, you decide.

    Then, as if to emphasize for the clear-headed readers of Olbermann Watch how much of a rehash all this chit-chat really was, KO asked Turley the same question he asked him last Friday, even admitting as he did that he was repeating the question. It was the Krazy Keith Konspiracy about Bush trying to cover up something about past interrogations. Surprise, surprise, Turley gave the same answer he gave last Friday (he thinks this, "there is a feeling that", it's possible that, etc).

    Is Olby so lazy that he can't even come up with a new question? Talk about phoning it in! On the other hand, repetition is a key factor in successful propaganda, so maybe there was a deeper purpose in all this regurgitation of last week's spin. With Krazy Keith tossing in notions of "criminal action" against the President, and the Perfessor adding spice to the stew by citing violations of "international law", it didn't matter to Herr Olbermann how stale the whole thing was. It served its purpose.

    It took a while, but we finally got to the #4 story: a lengthy clip, rerun from the network mothership, of Brian Williams's interview with the "President" of Iran. Oddball was introduced with a rambling discourse about Washington's "Farewell Address", a bit of damage control after Olby's appalling ignorance regarding Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was exposed for the world to see right here on Olbermann Watch.

    The #3 slot was predicated on a report that Halliburton (snigger "He said Halliburton!" snigger) offered an injured driver a medal, but only if he wouldn't sue the company. Scandalous! Outrageous! To most attorneys (maybe even The Perfessor) this is what is generally known as a "settlement offer". But it served as a hook on which to hang a segment about "war profiteers".

    "Documentary filmmaker" Greenwald, there to get free PR for another of his dishonest propaganda videos, is an incompetent tyro whose main claim to fame was the film "Xanadu". This incoherent mess was so bad that a yearly award for worst movies (the Razzies) was created, just so they could hand one over to Greenwald. Given his inability to display even the merest modicum of competence, Mr Xanadu found that he could survive in a niche market by selling dishonest far-left propaganda to a tiny but vocal gang of blue blog buffs. The perfect Olbermann guest!

    As is his practice when promoting extremist documentaries, KO ran excerpts from Mr Xanadu's video, to set up the usual string of anti-business talking points. Corporations are "hurting the morale" of our military, because their employees are paid more. Their CEO salaries are "an obscenity". They are "breaking the law". Then Olby went into campaign mode, talking about "scare tactics" by Republicans, and asking:

    If the Democrats did take over Congress or at least the House, what would change in terms of war profiteers, if anything?

    That slow-pitched softball allowed Mr Xanadu to proclaim Henry Waxman (D) has been a "hero", and he'll send people to jail. Then, just in case the message was too subtle for the credulous Countdown crowd, the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann hammered it home:

    As Harry Truman did, a Democrat, during a Democratic adminsitration.

    OlbySpin at its most anvilicious.

    #2: The space shuttle (rerun from NBC), Anna Nicole Smith, baby Abby, Peter Gammonds. #1: More pandering to Howard Stern.


    Pimping his book the book that bears his name again led off the "worst person" department. Conrad Burns (R) got a nomination for flying on a corporate plane. Sen Menedez (D), under federal investigation, and Senate candidate Ben Cardin (D), who permitted racial slurs on his campaign website, have yet to have their difficulties so much as mentioned on The Hour of Spin. But that's because this is a "nonpartisan" segment, don't you know. In a stunning development that will be big news everywhere, Bill O'Reilly was "worst" (tied with Al D'Amato) because he dared to disagree with John McCain. Then Olby added:

    I did a search engine thing on Billo's name. It came back "no matches found for Bill O'Reilly; did you mean Bill Orally?"

    The Laughing Stagehand loved that, even if KO's claim was a steaming pile of dung.


    Meanwhile, we know how time and again Krazy Keith has devoted segment after segment to "Mister" Bush's ratings, or the fortunes of the GOP Congress. As long as they were in decline. The latest Gallup poll has the President's approval ratings at their highest point in months, and the generic ballot question finds the two parties tied among likely voters. Big news, right? Well, news anyhow? Sorry, not on The Hour of Spin, where the discredited sports guy only harps on surveys when they show "Mister" Bush going down. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 4 [GUARDED]

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    Our Olby is consistent: fourth of four in the ratings AGAIN last night (or should I say "still")! Here are the numbers from TVNewser, which could be skewed slightly higher because DVR users are recorded in the totals. I'm waiting for ICN to post numbers.

    Par for the course....three stellar guests.....quick let me get home to watch it!

    "...the most compelling news personality of his generation"......ha, ha - whose generation?

    Par for the course....three stellar guests.....quick let me get home to watch it!

    "...the most compelling news personality of his generation"......ha, ha - whose generation?

    Robert Greenwald is a great filmmaker. Not quite as goundbreaking and fantastic as Michael Moore. Moore is clearly the best documentary maker in America perhaps with the exception of Errol Morris. Greenwald upsets the rightwingers.. that makes him godlike

    Never fear, I will address his greatness.

    Didn't I read some OlbyLoons claiming that Keith's ratings were going up and Bush's were going down - and that there was some direct correlation between the two.

    Of course is still mired in 4th:


    Poll finds rebound in Bush approval

    "President Bush's approval rating has risen to 44% in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. That's his highest rating in a year.

    The poll also showed likely voters evenly divided between Democratic and Republican candidates for Congress, 48%-48%."


    Your opinion is fairly worthless. However you can go watch " red dawn " again most of you rightwingers seem to think that is a great movie.

    Speak truth to power:

    "Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest employer, is planning to launch a voter registration and education campaign this fall targeted at its 1.3 million employees in an effort to combat growing criticism from Democrats and labor unions.

    The company’s decision appears to be a response to several high-profile Democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and four 2008 Democratic presidential hopefuls, who participated in a labor-organized anti-Wal-Mart campaign this summer.

    Wal-Mart’s opponents escalated their attacks this summer with a “Wake Up Wal-Mart” tour. The tour, funded by the United Food and Commercial Workers union, held anti-Wal-Mart rallies around the country.

    Several Democratic presidential hopefuls such as former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), Sen. Evan Bayh (Ind.), New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack joined in. So did Democratic Senate candidates including Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.), Sen. Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Ned Lamont, Rep. Sherrod Brown (Ohio), and Rep. Ben Cardin"
    Welcome to the party!!


    The world would be far better if all Walmarts were firebombed in the middle of the night. Long live Mom and Pop shops..

    Here are Monday's ratings from ICN. Notice the differences in the numbers.

    We should pratice the torture techniques that Dumbya endorses on Dumbya himself. No one could possibly be more of a terrorist than he.

    There goes Olby, lecturing about "moral force." Like he would know.

    Why would the UN submit their members to Dumbya ? The UN should kick this country out of the UN

    Damn Bill Frist is a fraud... lied about the tests he took... kissed the butt of the religous reich on one of those " super sundays" or whatever the evanglicals call that hatred.

    We should close down James Dobson and his ilk..

    IRS Orders All Saints to Yield Documents on '04 Political Races
    Antiwar remarks at All Saints in Pasadena were made two days before the 2004 election. The church is ordered to hand over records.
    By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer
    September 16, 2006

    Stepping up its probe of allegedly improper campaigning by churches, the Internal Revenue Service on Friday ordered a liberal Pasadena parish to turn over all the documents and e-mails it produced during the 2004 election year with references to political candidates.

    All Saints Episcopal Church and its rector, the Rev. Ed Bacon, have until Sept. 29 to present the sermons, newsletters and electronic communications.

    The IRS investigation was triggered by an antiwar sermon delivered by its former rector, the Rev. George F. Regas, at the church two days before the 2004 presidential election. The summons even requests utility bills to establish costs associated with hosting Regas' speech. Bacon was ordered to testify before IRS officials Oct. 11.

    The tax code bars nonprofits, including churches, from endorsing or campaigning against candidates in an election.

    Facing the possible loss of his church's tax-exempt status, Bacon said he plans to inform his roughly 3,500 active congregants about the investigation during Sunday's services. Then he plans to seek their advice on whether to comply.

    "There is a lot at stake here," Bacon said in an interview. "If the IRS prevails, it will have a chilling effect on the practice of religion in America."

    The congregants will have two choices: consent to the IRS request, or decline, which could result in the matter being referred to the Department of Justice and, possibly, U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, All Saints' lead attorney Marcus Owens said.

    "The congregation's decision will be clear on Sunday or a few days after that," Owens said. "My guess is they will be unlikely to respond demurely and acquiesce in the government's request at this stage. The issues are too close to the quick of their fundamental religious beliefs."

    Members of All Saints have a long history of social activism. The sermon that attracted the IRS' attention was delivered by Regas, who was well-known for opposing the Vietnam War, championing female clergy and supporting gays and lesbians in the church.

    The medieval-looking church, just east of City Hall, seems to embody staid, moneyed Old Pasadena, but the liberal outlook goes back decades. During World War II, its rector spoke out against the internment of Japanese Americans. Regas headed the church for 28 years before retiring in 1995.

    Exactly how the congregants will make their feelings known on the IRS issue is yet to be decided.

    "It may come via e-mail, or as a yea or nay on Sunday, or some other means," said Keith Holeman, a spokesman for the church.

    IRS spokesman Frank Fotinatos declined to comment on the matter saying, "We can't confirm or deny any ongoing investigation."

    Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who unsuccessfully tried to launch a Government Accountability Office investigation into the IRS' probes of churches nationwide last year, called the summons "a very disturbing escalation" of the agency's scrutiny of All Saints.

    "I don't want religious organizations to become arms of campaigns," he said. "But they should be able to talk about issues of war and peace without fear of losing tax-exempt status. If they can't, they'll have little to say from the pulpit."

    The view was echoed by the Rev. Bob Edgar, an ordained elder in the United Methodist Church and general secretary of the National Council of Churches USA. "I'm outraged," he said. "Preachers ought to have the liberty to speak truth to power."

    "There is a lot more to be done about this, and it may include some actions of nonviolent civil disobedience," Edgar said. "Since 9/11, the IRS, like the FBI, has been moving back to the 1950s and 1960s when a great deal of such activity was propagated against church leaders like Martin Luther King."

    In July, the IRS warned 15,000 tax-exempt groups across the nation, including churches and nonprofit organizations, to stay neutral on politics.

    At the time, IRS officials said the agency also began expediting investigations into charges of improper campaigning under a new enforcement program, the Political Activity Compliance Initiative. Under it, the IRS will no longer wait for an annual tax return to be filed or for the tax year to end before investigating allegations of wrongful campaigning.

    Since 2004, the IRS has investigated more than 200 organizations nationwide.

    O'liely: "firebomb all WalMarts", "torture Dumbya", "religious reich"...

    Unfortunately, O'liely is norm for liberals... not the exception.

    Gotta love the "tolerance".

    When are James Dobson and his ilk going to have to pay taxes ?

    I dunno, Liely... when is Keith going to have an OPPOSING VIEW on his show?

    Mahmoud, your government supports Hezbollah, the Islamic Jihad organization and the annihilation of Israel. Guess why no one (other than Islamofascists) wants to be your pal.

    Steve,, so one of the few left leaning shows on the air has to have differing opinions on it ? That will happen as soon as Bill O'lielly does not shout down his guests or when Faux hires someone on the left who was not picked by that pile of crap Hannity. You can hear rightwing hatred on every market on the radio. That POS Ronald Reagan screwed up when he did rid of the Fairness Doctrine.. If I had my way most rightwingers would be locked up in camps.

    Thanks again for the "moderation" Liely... you only prove our point. Repeatedly.

    ...And by the way- YOU say Meltdown is a "left-leaning" show... Keith says its "Objective Journalism". See the difference?

    Yes, O'Lielly, that's because you're one of those so-called peace-loving, diversity-tolerant, fair-minded, objective liberals.

    No wait, I meant "Olbyloon."

    It would be peaceful if the rightwingers were locked in camps like we did to innocent Japanese in WW2

    YEA! We LOVE Liely! Olbyloons like you and Rosie are going to be the Michael Moores of Election 2006!

    Steve....ooooh you afraid of those horrible dykes ?

    We're not the ones who used the term "horrible dyke," O'Lielly, you did.

    How dare you come here and throw around homophobic hate speech, O'Lielly! What would Olby do?

    No, I'm not 'fraid of lesbians... only Olbyloons!

    Olby would use the same terms/hate speech... then blame BUSH!

    True. He'd be a coward and blame it on someone else. Yellow and Red combined make Orange.

    I was being sarcastic... a fact obviously that you are unable to comprehend...

    " ordinary free crap ".. absolutely what terrestrial radio is....

    Ohhhhh, NOW you're being sarcastic. Spare us, O'Lielly. You're a homophobe. Admit it.

    Hi, I'm Liely... I have no valid arguments- so I just spew nonsense and call people names. Aren't I funny?!?

    Brian Stelter of TVNewser posted a glowing article about Keith Olbermann today. Nowhere does he mention that Countdown finished last place in total viewers and the "demo" that Keith and Dan have Stelter pump up each day. What a complete and utter humiliation to this kid and to Olbermann himself.

    Gay basher. Hatemonger. O'Lielly.

    In tonight's "Keeping Tabs" KO credited a UK tabloid for breaking the story about Anna Nicole Smith selling the photos of her and Daniel (her late son) to US Weekly. The truth is, Lloyd Grove broke that story this morning in the NYDN.

    Again, KO has his facts screwed up or maybe he's too much of a puusy to mention Lloyd's name.

    Nope... I think gays and lesbians should be free to marry and be miserable like the rest of the married folks.

    Liely is backpedling...

    Myriam... do you understand the idea of time difference ?

    Hi, I'm Liely... I have no valid arguments- so I just spew nonsense and call people names. Aren't I funny?!?

    Myriam, yes to both.

    This pope is pure crap.. the last one was pretty good for an old man.

    O'Lielly is an equal opportunity offender, I see.

    YEA! There's the Liely we love! Keep up the good words- YOU are the reason the Republicans will GAIN seats in the House :)

    Let's get this straight.. The pope is an ordinary man who represents an organization that believes in fictional things. If he is the nearest to god he is the nearest to nothing at all.

    yeah, Lie- you tell 'em!

    yeah, Lie- you tell 'em!

    O'lielly, why is every other gossip site in the free world quoting LG as having broken the story and not the british paper that KO chose to cite?

    Lloyd makes poor Keith cry, awwww. He can't even say his name.

    O'Lielly, tell that to the world's more than 1 billion Catholics - some of whom are Democrats. And you wonder why the Dems can't win elections?

    Lie- you go, GIRL!

    yeah, Lie- you tell 'em!

    Yes a feather duster for Bushitler. Nd loud music too. Make him go outside when its cold and wear a coat when its hot. OHH of all the humanity. But it beats the headchopping and eye gouging(God aid our soldiers), and forced conversions. You are a sad soul.

    Firebomb Walmarts? "Yes the Democrat motto If it succeeds destroy it. If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it,and If it stops moving subsidize it."

    Your words expose your sensitivities/lack of.

    I never knew that pointing out low ratings is considered a valid political point. Interesting. Would that mean that since 51% of people disapprove of Bush, his ideas have no credibility?

    No, it just means that NO ONE is watching Keith!

    So what would it mean if millions of people were watching him?

    Duh... I guess that would mean that people actually enjoyed his program and agreed with his point of view.

    But, on planet Earth- that is simply not the case- thus, the rock bottom ratings.

    Get it?

    The latest polls show Bush's popularity ratings are on the way back up. And despite the pimping of Olbermann by the liberal media, his ratings are still pathetic. He's claiming his ratings are up from last year, and while that may be true, he fails to mention that he still trails pathetically behind O'Reilly, Paula Zahn, and Nancy Grace whose ratings are not only up from last year, but that they are still higher than Olbys. And people know who George Bush is, very few people have a clue who the hell Keith Olbermann is.

    The folks at GE have a tool
    In the eight o'clock spot insert fool
    Some loser named Keith
    That lies through his teeth
    Edward R. Murrow of bloody stool

    Are you making a conscious effort to expand our vocabularies Mr. Dollar?

    Noticed olbermann had no special comments about the President of Iran's support of Jihadis organizations and call for the 2nd holocaust?
    This means Olby sympathized with them and dutring his show, he made it seem that the Jihadis are good and the US bad.

    the one thing I agree with you is that we should leave the UN!

    O'Liely, why don't you just go ahead and campaign for all the democrats in this next election? We need people like you to show the true thoughts and character that the democratic party stands for.

    Monday night, 25-54 demographic. The key demo group according to KO.

    Last place. O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, Paul Zahn, and pulling up the rear, Olbermann.

    Why does this man have a job? MSNBC is content to be dead last.

    If the 8:00 hour wasn't a big enough disaster, Chris Matthews was even more entrenched in last place.

    MSNBC. The joke network.

    Bill O'Reilly was "worst" (tied with Al D'Amato) because he dared to disagree with John McCain
    So its wrong to diagree with a US Senator but it's a act of courage to disagree with the President?

    Man is KO full of it or what?

    Steve,, so one of the few left leaning shows on the air has to have differing opinions on it ? That will happen as soon as Bill O'lielly does not shout down his guests or when Faux hires someone on the left who was not picked by that pile of crap Hannity. You can hear rightwing hatred on every market on the radio. That POS Ronald Reagan screwed up when he did rid of the Fairness Doctrine.. If I had my way most rightwingers would be locked up in camps.

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at September 19, 2006 08:30 PM

    With the productive people in camps. And libs running everything. Freeing the murderers and rapists. The welfare state would last about 1 week. Then the people who voted Lib because they thought it was good for there union would shoot all the leftists, free the productive and apoligize for there awful mistake. Thats about the size of it. Just imagine this country as one big New Orleans. Thats the way you think you want it Hugo Chavez Jr. But it would be ugly. For a very short period.

    It would be peaceful if the rightwingers were locked in camps like we did to innocent Japanese in WW2

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at September 19, 2006 08:35 PM

    Notice his wording "like we did" this shows how deep his white mans guilt runs. O'leily you are delusional. Not you or I had anything to do with the internment of the Japanese. The difference is you feel guilt about it. I do not. You are ashamed of who you are, and quite frankly so am I, as you are deranged. You have one of the most pathetic views of the world that is on record. Your arguments are 2nd grader stuff. You make Nazi style comments about stifling freedom. Yep your a Liberal alright. HEHEHEHEHE.

    PS: Democrat (socialist) FD Roosevelt interned the Japanese. Robert (KKK)Byrd was to busy lynching blacks to help. Deal with that.


    First, Robert keeps saying posters should pick a name so we know who they are and continue an argument against them. Why don't you?
    The economy has performed very well under Democratic Presidents. It has performed statistically better than under Republican Presidents.
    Those are a few links. The MSNBC link is from Forbes Magazine. You know, Steve Forbes, the former Republican Presidential candidate.

    Check out poverty, employment, income data on and you'll notice the liberal (blue) states perform better than conservative (red) states.

    Do you really think modifying (changing) and redefining the Geneva Conventions makes Bush look any better than saying he's rewriting them? How many people could explain the different meanings without looking them up? Would you be surprised to know that rewrite and modify are synonymous with revise?

    The Pentagon claims Halliburton has overcharged the government more than $1.4 billion in Iraq. I guess the Pentagon is filled with liars too. Oh and that typical lawyer agreement you mentioned? How many companies are authorized to give citizens government medals?

    I'd stop using KKK if I were you. Senator Allen is connected to the CCC which is basically the KKK. It'd be embarrassing for you to have to defend Allen's documented connections to the CCC after you accuse KO of being connected to the KKK with no proof.

    > Would you be surprised to know that rewrite and modify are synonymous with revise?

    Few words are completely synonymous, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for differentiating them. Rewrite is most properly used to describe changing the wording of a document and is used to illustrate a wholesale alteration of an entire text, as when an editor throws out an article and yells, "Get me rewrite".

    But the point is not the subtle differences in tone even though that's why Olby chooses the words he chooses. The point is that "rewrite" is the OlbySpin term that he uses over and over. Even when he's describing a quote where the term NEVER APPEARS! Someone less polite than I am would say he lied about what Colin Powell said just so he could insert his pet propaganda phrase. In fact, I guess I'm not that polite, because I already said it. He lied about Colin Powell's quote.

    > How many companies are authorized to give citizens government medals?

    None that I know of, including Halliburton. Now why don't you demonstrate that you have at least a slight inkling of what you're talking about by explaining what connection Hallibruton did have with that alleged medal. Because your question, as you phrased it, is woefully ignorant of the facts.

    Quote from Olby:

    I did a search engine thing on Billo's name. It came back "no matches found for Bill O'Reilly; did you mean Bill Orally?"
    The Laughing Stagehand loved that, even if KO's claim was a steaming pile of dung.

    Bill O'Reilly 5,300,000 hits in the search Johnny did. (I got the same result.) What a blantant lie.

    Could be a fireable offense.

    Could be a fireable offense.
    Don't hold your breath..if MSNBC fired people on their network everytime someone lied they wouldn't have anyone left...Just look at the whole MSNBC coverage of the Rove/Plame affair for all the lies KO,Matthews and the rest said about that.

    here is the great orator putting my cat to sleep

    A young KO? Or should i say EC?

    Just sayin.

    Olbywatch mention!!

    It's the second story down, talking about Olby's "special comments."

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    MSNBC = 'M'ake 'S'ure 'N'o 'B'ody 'C'ares

    O'Lielly (re: your 8:15 p.m. post of yesterday):

    I'm sorry to break this to you, but the Episcopal church in question is apparently in violation of IRS rules because of their ANTI-WAR TIRADES. The article further states that this is a LIBERAL church.

    Sorry, pal, this is no right-wing evangelical church. It's probably a church that even you would like. So yes, go ahead and shut them down. Do it! Yes, put them out of business - that's fine with me. But they have NOTHING to do with Dr. James Dobson, who is on the extreme other end of the spectrum from this church politically.


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    Heh - the funny thing is, I guarantee you didn't even see the Greenwald documentary. But it makes sense to criticize a film without seeing it - to a conservative anyway.

    Where can we see it?

    I did see Greenwald's "Outfoxed" documentary in which Olbermann was one of the anonymous sources. His voice was so badly un-disguised that it was easy picking him out in the documentary. Funny how he was quoted as some sort of inside source when his sum experience with Fox took place at their sports division in Los Angeles, not their news division in New York.

    You can download the entire script to the Outfoxed video. It's a typical Greenwald hatchet-job. Sentence fragments clipped out of context to misrepresent the speaker. Selective editing to present a skewered impression of what was being broadcast (a trick the outfoxed descendants still use to this day). "Former Fox employees" interviewed who never worked for FNC. And when a genuine former FNCer shows up, it's never stated how this person was fired after lobbying unsuccessfully to keep his job. And at least a half-dozen other propagandist's tricks and distortions. In other words, a microcosm of the lies and distortions that we see every night on The Hour of Spin.

    > But it makes sense to criticize a film without seeing it - to a conservative anyway.

    It seems to make sense to Keith Olbermann, who did exactly that with ABC's 9/11 miniseries, even after his "criticism" was proved to be out and out lies. I'm sure Janie and her friends would never criticize a film without seeing it. THEY never said anything against the 9/11 miniseries, did they? Pot, meet kettle.


    It's currently premering across the country in various theaters, but it's intentionally a direct to DVD piece, because more people are willing to pay $13 for a documentary, rather than $40+ in the theaters.

    You can visit to purchase the DVD.

    Why on earth would be it be forty bucks in the theaters? We pay ten dollars for movie tickets.

    I see that there is a link for screenings in my state of New York.

    I love the list of "sponsors" for the screenings: Progressive Democrats of America, Amnesty International, Bethlehem Neighbors for Peace, Adirondack Progressives, Sullivan County Democratic Committee, Iraq Veterans Against the War, RESISTANCE CINEMA, Veterans for Peace, Code Pink and the rest of the International ANSWER/Commie crowd. Nice!

    Since many of these groups are such good communists why isn't the screening free? Oh, right! The Soviet Union is no longer around to fund their operations. Darn. Maybe Fidel can send a check.

    Missy... as that character in Saturday Night LIve used to say.. You ignorant s---. The point was that they should tax all churches, and not just the ones agree with this pathetic POS POTUS. I sure would like to hear about James Dobson's recurring senility as soon as possible. Since sadly we canot close all churches we should tax the hell out of them.

    Missy... as that character in Saturday Night LIve used to say.. You ignorant s---. The point was that they should tax all churches, and not just the ones agree with this pathetic POS POTUS. I sure would like to hear about James Dobson's recurring senility as soon as possible. Since sadly we canot close all churches we should tax the hell out of them.

    This country has a long tradition of not taxing religious organizations. I realize you Godless heathen liberals would prefer it if all Churches were abolished but despite the attempts of the liberal left to outlaw religious organizations and traditions in this country, it is still a deeply religious country in spite of leftist liberal commies like yourself.

    Leftist commies.. what decade are we in ? Are these the beautiful days of the 1950's where women and minorities knew their place ? Why tax liberal churches but not conservative ones ? Brandon, I know this is a simple question, but have you ever seen a woman nude, I mean outside of the internet ?

    "Since sadly we canot close all churches we should tax the hell out of them"

    OlbyLoon logic at its finest... complain one day about Bush trampling on the Constitution and trample on religious freedom the next. Nice!

    Just yesterday I got another batch of bumperstickers
    All they say is Jesus was an athiest. you would be amazed at the vile stuff people yell at me.. but, I love it being insulted by people who believe the fairy tale of the bible over scientists. Me,,, I will always side with the educated over the masses. I know that the percentage of people who see life as it is and not the way they want to be is small, however we know we are right. Robert, the constitution is wrong in many regards. Freedom from religion is one they are correct about.

    When did O'Silly's "the educated" change freedom OF religion into Freedom FROM religion?

    Cecelia, that happened when David Shuster did a report on the Constitution.


    I too am an aetheist, but I am not so naive to not acknowledge that almost all my values and mores come from Judeo/Christian philosophy. To deny this, is to be intolerably ignorant. Like Christopher Hitchens says "You aren't truly educated unless you know the King James Bible." Our country was built by Christians and is the greatest achievement in human history, so maybe they (Christians) aren't all idiots. There are still some Communist states that will provide you your beloved freedom from religion. I am sure Fidel would welcome you with open arms.

    Mrs. Cecelia the Unicorn

    "...freedom OF religion into Freedom FROM religion?"

    Your formulation is no closer to the constitution than is smarty-pant's there. I think they both are implied respectively in the two parts of that portion of the 1st. Never bad to hear it again:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

    Erie Anonymous seeker of Cox:

    Of course the formulation "freedom OF religion" is most inclusive of both religious and anti-religion cohorts which are protected equally by the anti-establishment clause...not to mention that it is how the right has been historically expressed.

    Mrs. Cecelia the Unicorn,

    Most inclusive, yes, if you had to pick one, yours may be slightly better. You don't have to pick from those two. "Separation of church and state," is better than either, if you are going to go outside the actual text of the constitution.


    "Our country was built by Christians..."

    You mean in general? I think most of the founders were deists and for the most part did not invoke the name of Christ. If you mean the majority of the population has always been some sect of Christianity, that is surely true. It depends who you credit with having "built" the country.

    "You aren't truly educated unless you know the King James Bible."

    Hitchens makes a true statement, but in the sense he means, it applies equally to some Greek, Roman, and French writers as well. Also, I can't go back and read my opponent O'Liely's posts, but I bet he is refering to believing in the biblical accounts, not studying it as a document.