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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    September 26, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - SEPTEMBER 26, 2006

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • POLITICS OF NIE; CLINTON FOX INTERVIEW FALLOUT: Howard Fineman, Newsweek; Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC analyst

    Oh, Keith Olbermann doesn't try to appeal to liberals. He is totally nonpartisan, don't you know? That's why, in tonight's opening spiel, he introduced a clip of Hillary saying:

    Now there are two Clintons telling truth to power.

    Olby told the "sandbagging" lie again, and in a classic Olbermann moment, played the George Allen "macaca" clip.

    Stop the tivo!

    We haven't ever yelled "stop the tivo" this early into The Hour of Spin, but we have to now. This is the same Keith Olbermann who just 24 hours ago sneeringly referred to a Jewish journalist at Fox as "a monkey". The same Keith Olbermann who not that long ago was banging on Allen for "macaca", stating this was a term that could refer to "a genus of monkey found mainly in Asia...a derogatory racial reference for African immigrants.".

    Well guess what? "Monkey" is a term that refers to monkeys! And it's also a derogatory racial reference for Jews. How can anyone so arrogant be so immensely oblivious?

    Back to the tivo. Olby looked orange and curiously sour as he delivered the lead story: another salvo at the President. After a few carefully selected clips from today's presser, and a few even more assiduously cherry-picked quotes from the NIE, it was on to Condi Rice. Her great offense was to say the Bush administration worked just as hard as the previous one during its first eight months. Then clips from Senator Clinton, "telling truth to power". Through all of this Olbermann's verbiage was about as even-handed as a MoveOn internet ad.

    Cue Howard Fineman, Pundit for All Occasions. Keith tossed everything from ABC's 9/11 film to the results of last night's football game into a heady stew, lumping them together as the efforts of the "Bush adminstration". He asked if those dumbells in the White House were really so stupid as to think the their aggrieved Democrat victims would not rise up in righteous anger over these despicable smears. OK, we're paraphrasing. But not by much. Howie said this signals "a change in attitude" by the Dems, with a lot more "confidence". Then, with a straight face, Olby talked about, of all things, fact-checking!

    ...if you can fact-check them and prove them wrong within minutes of a statement being made public...

    We know exactly what that's like here at Olbermann Watch. It's what we do. Fineman said Bill Jefferson Clinton "comes off as the more truthful one", the White House is "bailing water", and George Bush "smirks". After crypto-liberal Fineman, KO left all pretense behind to introduce the deranged Lawrence ("Liar! Creepy Liar!") O'Donnell. Olby asked him about the release of the "NIA", and Larry called it "the smoking gun". Krazy Keith, eager to aid his party, suggested what the Democrats should do next (keep pounding on the NIE), while Crazy Larry said they should pound on Iraq.

    You would think Iraq was the only topic covered by the "NIA" since it's the only aspect KO even mentioned. One part of the document that Keith never got around to quoting:

    Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, or be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the [terror war].

    In one of those amazing synergies of talking points that seem to be commonplace on The Hour of Spin, Larry echoed Howie, talking about how "credible" B.J. Clinton is, and how Bush was "asleep at the wheel". [Note: Time to update The List.] As a special treat, KO promised that tomorrow he would "strip away the politics" to tell the truth about the first eight months of the Bush administration. Blue bloggers, start your engines!

    Teasing before the break, "Monkey" Olbermann referenced the well-known "venom" of that poisonous snake, Chris Wallace. But the #4 story was about allegations regarding George Allen. He is said to have used the B-word, so named for its use by Robert Byrd (D), an incident that never got much play on The Hour of Spin. Slippery Shuster delivered a taped report, and the fact that Larry Sabato claims he heard it himself does not help the Senator's case.

    NOTE: See important update below.

    It was almost surreal when Slippery said "Macaca is a term that can refer to monkeys". That makes it shocking, explosive, headline-worthy news, you know. Actually calling someone a monkey? Hey, no big deal. Olby thanked the tape machine that played Shuster's report.

    After oddball, Krazy Keith found an excuse to regurgitate part of his blue dress interview with B.J. Clinton. He preceded it with a clip from the "ambush" (Olbermann lie) and "sandbagging" (Olbermann lie) by Fox News, while gushing anew at the wonder that is B.J. Clinton. Keith "Man on Fan" Olbermann told viewers they could see his entire Clinton one-an-one on the internet. As if anyone would be interested in that exercise of mutual onanism when they could see the interview that actually made news.

    #2: Dolphins (recycled NBC tape), Paris Hilton, Sumner Redstone. #1: Star Jones, Liza Minelli, and more, with the creepy Michael Musto talking about toilet seats and herpes.

    NAME

    KO's beserk kowtowing to the blue bloggers on Monday produced its usual one-day spike. He actually came in second, while still losing to his Fox nemesis by more than three to one. The idea was also to bump those book sales: he's at #48 on amazon. But, oh no, Culture Warrior is currently #6. Did Keith's book the book that bears Keith's name ever make it that high? Heh. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW].

    UPDATE: The clip shown of Larry Sabato in David Shuster's report had him saying that he knew "for a fact" that Allen had used the racial slur. Shuster stated that Sabato went to school with Allen, thereby reinforcing the notion that Sabato had heard it first hand.

    However, the facts are quite different. Sabato never heard Allen use the B-word, the N-word, or any other racial slur. This was reported earlier today, long before Countdown aired. So what we had was another Shuster/Olbermann hit-job. We have been most remiss. We actually took a report from Slippery Shuster, aired by Herr Olbermann, as if it were reliable journalism from honest reporters. We apologize to Olbermann Watch readers for this lapse in judgment. It will not happen again.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (172) | | View blog reactions

    172 Comments

    The Orange One is much more subdued tonight. I wonder how many hours he's spent crying for forgiveness at 30 Rock? I'm surprised he's on the air tonight. I'm also surprised he still has a job at NBC News. Their standards must have slid downhill significantly. Or they don't feel like paying him the rest of his contract to sit on his ample behind. Or both.

    Strip away the politics about the Bush administration, al Qaeda and 9/11? What? I'll believe that when I see it, you Orange buffoon.

    I am hearing things now.

    I could have sworn I just heard Keith say something like "tomorrow we are going to strip away all the politics and look at what the Bush administration did or didn't do in the first 8 months of his presidency". Is this sort of like Keith talking about how we could feel if he had thrown away whatever journalistic credibility he may have had during this special comment?

    O'Reilly had a nice little dig at KO(not by name of course)about crushing him in the ratings on the opening of his show.

    I would like to point out that Olbermann seems to call Clinton "Mr." as well as Bush.

    Seems that "Mr." is actually considered polits.

    I will note that Hannity, Rush and the rest call them both "Mr." at times and also use just their last names "Bush" and "Clinton."

    So, that is a dumb arguement by those of you who want to jump that particular pony.

    Apparently Olbermann didn't/wouldn't/couldn't show up for his radio hour today. Wonder what his excuse was this time? Searching E-bay for credibility?

    What a piece of work this guy is. It's time for me to boycott NBC.

    What a piece of work this guy is. It's time for me to boycott NBC.

    What a piece of work this guy is. It's time for me to boycott NBC.

    Sorry for the triple post.

    Since I agree with your comment Anonymous x 3, I'll adopt one of the multiple posts as mine, okay? :-)

    Thanks for the post adoption, CBK! I'm sure at least one will find a good home.

    Would love to seen Allen call Olbermann out over macaca versus monkey and worst person in the world

    Will Olbyfreak name himself Worst Person in the World tonight?

    For a show that 'no one watches', you losers sure are obsessed with it! Keith's got you barking like trained circus seals. (except seals are smarter than most Repugs)

    Watching Keith drive you Reichwing Nutters into a frensy every night is almost as much fun as watching Bushitlers 4th Reich collapse before my very eyes.

    I'm so glad that Keith is around. I could not care less if Oriely beats him in the ratings. Fox has brain washed enough human beings in this country. Let somebody else's point of veiw be heard once in a while. Also, Clinton has been more than respectful to the people who politicaly assasinated him and humiliated him. History will treat him a lot better than most of you people would like. I will be so happy when this awful and hate filled 8 years is over. I will raise my flag and feel good about being an American again.

    What would you losers impeach Bush for anyways? Get a life. Win an election first you unemployed leftist losers.

    No, we're holding him accountable and documenting his lies, distortions, misstatements and errors. There is a difference. And if you're waiting for some sort of collapse of the GOP, you'll be waiting for a very long time, but seeing how you are unemployed like a typical liberal, I guess you have nothing but time on your hands to sit and play on the internet.

    Oh, and P.S.? It's F-R-E-N-Z-Y.

    I hate to turn into one of those Olby grammar nazi's but can any of these new visitors actually spell?

    Does these OlbyLoons ever got tired of asking "For a show that 'no one watches', you losers sure are obsessed with it".

    YES!!!! We are obsessed! We are obessed with truth and accuracy and fairness. And we are drawing a line at Countdown and saying NO MORE!!!! Keith is clearly the most dangerous person in the media today.

    You don't need to spell to scan groceries. Leave them alone

    You don't need to spell to scan or bag groceries. Leave them alone.

    Nope, he didn't name himself WPITW.

    I'm not unemployed and why don't you document the lies you are told everyday by your heroes of the right. Yes, people with brains and a job are watching Keith and will continue to enjoy the show. And i will spend a few minutes of my day to visit this site and enjoy the reaction he gets from people who feel the truth slipping out from under them.

    Keith may have had a talk today with some of the suits at NBC, which would have kept him off the ESPN show. Attacking Fox News or even Bill O'Reilly is one thing, but going after Mike Wallace's son, who has a 30 year career of his own in network news and who has a dad who is still pretty connected in the network news scene, was probably a little too much, and the "protect your own" reaction probably came into play here (there are some media types, who, unlike Keith, are nuianced enough to know that all Fox News on-air types aren't alike. Olbermann treats his relationship with that network like some drunk Yankee fan sitting in the bleachers during a Red Sox game trying to see what curses he can think up to annoy Manny Ramirez in left field).

    No public apology on the same program where Olby hurled the insults and epithets. Neither Olby nor NBC have a shred of credibility.

    I still want Olbynut to explain how Wallace asking a legitmate question is "sandbagging?. Laughably the olbynut talks about his interview/donation/lovefest coming after what "he had been thru" on Fox. Give me damn break would ya olby? Wallace had everyright and duty as a rral journalist to ask the ex-pres anything. That obviously is lost on you thought because you are nowhere even near being a real journalist, just a liberal hach.
    Olby was not even smart enough to get the dig that Klinton gave him. Kliton smirkingly said to Olby something along the lines of that if he ever interviewed anybody from this administration (meaning the Bush administration) he should not be sarcastic or snide or something to that effect. Yeah right! Like olby would EVER have on a dissenting guest or real guest that might challenge the olbynuttjob's liberal view of the world. I think even Klinto realizes what aleft wingnut hack olbytoons is . Only real journalists ask real questions of guests from various politcal persuasions and opinions. Olby I have seen real journalists and you are no journalists.
    Hell even O'reilly had that famous playboy club dope smoker lil Bill Maher on!

    What I saw today- Two other democrats went after Fox News reporters today during interviews, accusing the reporters of being right wing puppets. Seems the Democratic talking points for November include getting porky at the conclusion of every interview on Fox News. It may make the wackos that prop up Olbyloon proud, but it seems to me that the democrats are just filling in the black hole of craziness left when Cynthia McKinney was ousted. Keep it up. You'll lose every independent voter in November.

    The name of the site is Olbermannwatch. What part of that can't you liberal dimwits get? If you want to criticize the "lies" of the right, then why don't you go establish your own sites to do that?

    With lines like this Olbermann is certainly the most convoluted person in the media today...

    I'm amazed by this:

    "Bill Clinton did what almost none of us have done in five years.

    He has spoken the truth about 9/11, and the current presidential administration."

    "Thus in his supposed emeritus years has Mr. Clinton taken forceful and triumphant action for honesty, and for us; action as vital and as courageous as any of his presidency; action as startling and as liberating, as any, by any one, in these last five long years."


    "And so has Mr. Clinton helped us to disenthrall ourselves, and perhaps enabled us, even at this late and bleak date, to save our country."


    As though there is no possibility for self-interest on the part of Pres. Clinton in his remarks to Chris Wallace!

    Clinton remarks have now "enabled us to save our country"!

    Does Bill Clinton own some priceless coveted baseball card or something?


    So it sounds like he did NOT apologize to Chris Wallace? I didn't think he'd see the error of his ways, but I thought certainly SOMEONE at MSNBC or NBC News would insist that he do so. It is very hard to believe that this whole news organization has so few standards and ethics at this point.

    And Mr. Cox, you should certainly provide a link to the forthisreliefmuchthanks.blogspot.com site. They are harder on Olby that we are here, and are highly critical of his antics as of late!

    He did not mention any apology made in private, either. He's not burdened with humility, apparently.

    Oh yes, George Allan is a true patriot. Macaca -- just something he thought of when he was going potty so he decided to call a brown skin person a Macaca. And welcome to the real Virginia because this kid was obviously not an American -- oops, wait that's not what he meant. Get a grip you bigots, of course, that's what he meant. Pop over to FOX they've got Dick Morris, you know the toe sucker, on who is just beside himself with vindictive statements. Sean sucks up every word as the truth. And the Keith haters == I'm having a hard time separating you fools from the web master, belive every talking point from Rove and Cheney. This site is beoming quite pschotic (sp?) -- really Gestopo like. HATE and DESTROY -- Act like Jesus == who was obviously a repub. No need to feed the poor. They deserve their lot. And Hillary C according to Jerry's little joke is a candidate backed by the devil. Just a joke. Who might the devil be? Who might the anti-christ be? Georgie is lookin' might good, you ass holes. Sorry, but that's the way I feel about most of you who post your hate on this website.
    Cheers, JMP

    And what exactly does any of that have to do with Keith Olbermann's on-air fuck ups?

    This is not a web site about George Allen, hence my total and complete apathy about your comment, Jill. I assure you that your comments are moronic and illogical. So, if George Allen uses epithets and Dick Morris is a jerk, then it's OK for Olby to do the same. Riiiiiight.

    Isn't Mr. "Moral Force" supposed to rise above the fray? After the check-passing, butt-kissing Clinton interview, maybe it's now called "oral force."

    Exactly Anonymous. Well-stated.

    The excuses and faulty logic used by libnuts to justify bad behavior by their own followers is just unbelievable. Twisted Olbylogic at its most bizarre.

    Johnny,
    You're the Keith stalker, I mean obesser, I mean weird creepy guy who is oddly interested in Keith's looks and sex life. So you can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Countdown began in 2003. I also believe Robert Byrd's comments you referenced occured on Fox News Sunday in 2001. Keith was supposed to cover an interview done two years prior?

    George Allen has admitted having a noose in his law office and the confederate flag in his home. This was in the 1990's. That's obviously okay with you and the rest of the right-wing though.

    Keith left out the full "cause celebre" quote which also makes Bush look bad. It would be hard to quote the NIE to make Bush look good. If I were a right-winger I'd try to ignore the NIE.

    Clinton was absolutely right about Bush. I read through the threads. How come all you right-wingers can't come up with Bush's attempts to kill bin Laden? If Bush was so aggressive why can't you list all the things he did?

    Jill- nothing like you leftwingnuts playing the race card like you usually do and you laughably liberalista quote :" HATE and DESTROY" sounds like you hero the olbernuttjob perfectly. You liberal bimbos have nothing so you go after false claims and distorted truths.
    Hey "JMP" what about you, an obviously liberal little girl coming here and posting your hate and liberal PMS ?? I guess that's OK tho right?
    and your defense of the oberlunatic is??
    and its spelled psychotic you dim witted liberalista - did'nt your shrink explain your mental condtion well enough for you?
    you left wingers are the real fascists and gestapo. maybe jill if you whine and yell loud enough Jane fonda-comies will put you on her new feminazi radio station.
    but no matter what you say olbernutjob is still a lying brain dead leftist hypocrite hack he is so scummy he almost makes al franken seem logical..well alomost but not quite.

    One of the main reasns I watch Olbermann is because he exposes the lies of the right. Get it. I watch him and I criticise if I want. If he lies about something than point it out to me. And I like his show. If reading stuff other people write that you don't agree with makes you upset than find something else to do. If you think the only people that come to this site are ones that don't like Keith you are going to be proved very wrong. Cheer the hell up.

    I found it funny, well perhaps that?s not the right word..?????-----hypocritical and dishonest seem to fit better, that the Orange tan man Olby would bring up the entire Monica mess ( umm----and the mess that bj Bill Clinton left on her dress-nothing says class like that huh BJ). Last night?s ?special comment? section found the orange glow boy Olby harkening back to the halcyon days of the Lewinski investigation. Then we saw the man whom everyone at ESPN hates, Olby for you dense lefties, cry bitter orange girl tears over the fact that Clinton?s lies took up so much time that there was no time left for the security experts on TV to talk about terror threats (THAT BJ Bill was too busy to do anything about due to the mess he created with his lies-perjury-and getting other to perjure themselves, and support his perjuy). Gee, Olby the Clinton boot licker had a show on cable (no one tuned in then too?gee what else is new?) where were all the experts he lined up? Orange tan in a tube boy Olby even had one of his girlish fits one night, lisping he would not carry the water for the fanatical Clinton defenders-errrrr---carry the Clinton story anymore since it was not Olby tan man news. But did the defective tan in a tube boy carry a string of global security experts in place of his boy crush Clinton?s latest lies? Nope. Never. Not once. See a pattern here with the olbster? Sure he?d love to be bj Bill Clinton?s pool boy, but honesty, that the man who ESPN hates will never do.
    BTW, notice how LSD-NBC is so desperate to up the orange glow Olby that they have resorted to dragging poor Scarborough in the Olby sign off? Sheesh?I hope Abrams has a ground flow office ?so when the latest last place ratings come in for bj Bill Clinton?s man boyfriend ?his jump from his window will be a short one. I wonder how long it will be before Olby is found dressed in his best party gown outside bj Bill Clinton?s bedroom carrying a jug of moonshine ( bj is a hillbilly after all) and an economy sized bottles of ruffies, and Viagra??????


    I found it funny, well perhaps that?s not the right word..?????-----hypocritical and dishonest seem to fit better, that the Orange tan man Olby would bring up the entire Monica mess ( umm----and the mess that bj Bill Clinton left on her dress-nothing says class like that huh BJ). Last night?s ?special comment? section found the orange glow boy Olby harkening back to the halcyon days of the Lewinski investigation. Then we saw the man whom everyone at ESPN hates, Olby for you dense lefties, cry bitter orange girl tears over the fact that Clinton?s lies took up so much time that there was no time left for the security experts on TV to talk about terror threats (THAT BJ Bill was too busy to do anything about due to the mess he created with his lies-perjury-and getting other to perjure themselves, and support his perjuy). Gee, Olby the Clinton boot licker had a show on cable (no one tuned in then too?gee what else is new?) where were all the experts he lined up? Orange tan in a tube boy Olby even had one of his girlish fits one night, lisping he would not carry the water for the fanatical Clinton defenders-errrrr---carry the Clinton story anymore since it was not Olby tan man news. But did the defective tan in a tube boy carry a string of global security experts in place of his boy crush Clinton?s latest lies? Nope. Never. Not once. See a pattern here with the olbster? Sure he?d love to be bj Bill Clinton?s pool boy, but honesty, that the man who ESPN hates will never do.
    BTW, notice how LSD-NBC is so desperate to up the orange glow Olby that they have resorted to dragging poor Scarborough in the Olby sign off? Sheesh?I hope Abrams has a ground flow office ?so when the latest last place ratings come in for bj Bill Clinton?s man boyfriend ?his jump from his window will be a short one. I wonder how long it will be before Olby is found dressed in his best party gown outside bj Bill Clinton?s bedroom carrying a jug of moonshine ( bj is a hillbilly after all) and an economy sized bottles of ruffies, and Viagra??????

    POINT ONE- HE IS LYING ABOUT BEING A JOURNALIST. everything from that point on is either a lie or a distortion. DO YOU GET IT? he is nothing more that a far left wingnut hack. Olbernutt job cannot even tell the difference between a legitmate question and and a sandbag.
    If as you say we are going to be "proved very wrong". THEN PROVE IT!!

    Hit the "post" button one time.

    Anon,
    For the love of God don't boycott NBC. I own a lot of GE stock and that would bankrupt the company if you boycotted. Oh please all powerful one, reconsider.

    I sometimes notice that it that others at MSNBC seem to be distancing themselves from the olbytard.

    Glenn Beck overtook Chris Matthews in the 25-54 demo. Matthews and Olderman are securely holding on to last place in their respective timeslots.

    One of my professors use to say "water seeks its own level". It's no accident these two losers are back to back on the Titanic cable news network.

    Just out of curiosity, do companies actually pay to advertise on MSNBC?

    NBC already appears to morally and ethically bankrupt for allowing a Jew-hating racist anchor a "news" show. Nazi salutes? Calling Jews "monkeys"? Money apparently doesn't buy class at GE.

    Riverdog, can you blame them?

    to be, I meant.

    It is clear that after the Clinton interview the DNC has declared war on FOXNEWS. Dr. Orange kicked it off with his "Special Commentary" last night. Then a steady stream of DNC mouthpieces, Senators, House Reps. & other Clintonites were all over the airwaves with one basic message....FOX NEWS IS BIASED. It is interesting that Dr. Orange kicked off the assault with his attack of Chris Wallace. I think any impartial person would come to the conclusion that based entirely on the primetime lineups of FOXNEWS vs. MSNBC, that FOXNEWS come the closest to being fair and balanced!! Dr. Orange(Olby) only has on liberal points of view, NEVER allowing a disenting opinion. You can't say that of FOXNEWS. I can't wait to watch the Dems fail this November, can MSNBC be far behind??

    Kidding me and Brandon,
    If liberal are unemployed and grocery workers, why do blue states have higher earning and higher rates of employment than red states? Blue states also have lower rates of poverty and higher education levels than red states. You can find the information at census.gov.

    "This site is beoming quite pschotic (sp?)"

    Interesting, Jill. You misspelled "psychotic" just like someone on the FTRMT blog.... You wouldn't be playing both side now, would you?

    Colbert.. think how more advanced this country would be if the South had indeed seceeded from the nation. The south would be as bad as Mexico.

    Riverdog,
    Great post Olbermann is just a DNC/George Soros act. His program is just Bush and America bashing. He also defends the Islamo-Fascists and uses their same terms by calling Jews Monkeys. Of course the left and Jihadis love him. That's why there's no criticism of him!

    Dr. Orange? Olderman? olbytard? Olbernutt job? I'm a OlbyLoon? leftwingnuts? OlbyLoons? Liberal dimwit? After visiting this site and reading the comment section I am sure that at least half of this country is nuts. Left and right. To those who feel Keith is a "wackjob", what do you think Limbaugh and Hannity really are. I have been smothered with their bullshit since the mid 90's. When the "right" got the power they craved this country turned into a divided and very fucking unpleasent place to be if you are not thinking like "they" think you should. Keith may in fact be over the top. But I tell you what. I for one have had enough of super patriotic self loving money grubbing moralistic bullshit artists on Fox and on MSNBC telling me I am not a true American because I dont agree with this administration. Thank the Lord above somebody out there isn't sucking up to the incompetent people who are bankrupting this country. If you think comming on a dress is worse than thousands of dead service men for what I am still not sure than I really don't have anything more to say.

    Easy, those red staters aren't Republicans. We're doing just fine economically. Sorry you blues haven't figured out how to own the business instead of just working for someone else-that is, when you work, which isn't very often.

    ImpeachBush Wrote:*******************

    For a show that 'no one watches', you losers sure are obsessed with it! Keith's got you barking like trained circus seals. (except seals are smarter than most Repugs)

    Watching Keith drive you Reichwing Nutters into a frensy every night is almost as much fun as watching Bushitlers 4th Reich collapse before my very eyes.
    *********************************************
    Wow, here we go again another nazi reference. Question the poorman's Pravda-voice and this place is filled with members of an obsolete german political party bent on destroying the world.
    Newsflash: Hitler has been dead for over 60 years now. "Bushitlers", I haven't heard that one for about 3 years..Where have you been "man"? In a PCP induced coma mayhaps? Maybe you should go "have a doobie" and "chill out dude".

    I have been watching Kieth and not only like him but respect the way he speaks what I am thinkin g and have thought about George Bush! One of the main teachings of Jesus was to love even your enemies and if George was really following Jesus teachings he wouldn't lie or torture! Remeber the saying "What would Jesus Do?" Somehow I can't imagine my Lord and Savior torturing anyone or asking to be allowed to torure anyone! I did not vote for George Bush because I believed he was a liar form the first and I was right!

    billy,
    I realize you're gay but that doesn't mean every guy is. Oh and we can do without your vivid fantasies/descriptions of your love interest Bill O'Reilly's genitalia. I don't care how wonderful you think it is, keep it to yourself.

    To the Lefties, I'm Reichwing and proud! Just like you guys are Stalinist and proud!

    Speaking of "gay", I couldn't help to notice Keith and Michael Musto's little girl giggle party to end the show. The conversation included Liza, enough said?

    Brandon,
    Red states don't have more Republicans than Democrats? Blue states don't have more Democrats than Republicans? Oh right. Red staters aren't educated. Nevermind. I'm sorry to bring up "statistics" and "facts" into the discussion. I'll try to talk on your intellectual level. Duh. Blue evil, red good. Yay. Go red.

    Alice;
    Honey--it's after ten--you can stop being a putz. I know I hurt your left love for the Olbytard----but honey--life goes on.Now-cheer up--drink your box of wine---chug down a few dozen Vicadin in your ham fist--and call it a night.Think Rosie thoughts-------nude Rosie thoughts

    Let's see, You can call me a monkey, but I can't call you a monkey. Well it's nice to see the looney libs with their Do as I say not do as I do attitude.

    Well it's nice to see the folks from democraticunderground are here with us again tonight. Let's give them the Olby Salute.......Oh thats right. They can give the Nazi salute but we can't.

    And now were going after Mr. Allen because he might have said the N-word in collage. Well, just because he MIGHT have said it he should just bow out now! Funny, Robert Byrd got to say the N-word all he wanted! More of that fair and balanced stuff from our friends at democraticundertherock.com

    O'Reilly is going on the view in a few weeks, to face off against Rabid Rosie and Ba-Ba and Joy Whoever. But Keith is too scared to go on against the one conservative chick on there.

    Cluck,Cluck,Cluck, chicken little Keith. Go back in the hen house.

    I still can't get over last night. A news piece by NBC and Lisa Myers is brought into question. And she gos on Fox to defend the piece! O'Reilly to boot! If Lisa didn't deliver the biggest BITCH SLAP to Orange face! In house going to a competitor? That's unheard of! Oh well I guess NBC wanted people to see it and where better than the number one cable news show. BILL O'REILLY!!!!!!!! Maybe thats why Keith didn't show on Dann's show today. He was crying to Danny boy why Lisa didn't go on his Kool-Aid fest.

    Why would someone with class like Lisa go on with
    Chicken Little Keith, "The Merchant of Stupidity!"

    And yes, Bill O'Reilly hit number six on Amazon. The best Chicken Little Keith did? Number seven. Ouch!

    One last thing, The Question that made Big Bad Bill go berserk was. "Did you do enough to connect the dots and go after al-Qaeda?" Thats the question that made the ex-president go nuts? That was the question that made Clinton accuse Wallace of a "conservative hit job?" Mr. President you've got to calm down! Somebody get this man an intern!!!!!!

    By the way if anybody has not seen The Clinton video game on you tube go on over, it's funny!!!!

    Could someone ask Jesus to help Alice with her spelling? She can't even spell her boyfriend's name right. Alice may I suggest 'Webster's Dictionary for Students' and 'Verbal Advantage'.

    Jesus, forgive me it was just a joke.

    Hey Codas:

    It's spelled cumming.

    John said

    Hey Codas:

    It's spelled cumming.


    your right.

    And for the rest of the libs, might I suggest they read a newspaper every so often, you know, something other than the NY Times. And really, you might want to take in a news program other than Olby's. Too many of you seem to be living in the same fantasy land he resides in. Not only are you proving yourselves to be truly un-educated and ill-informed, but you're just making this way too easy for us here at Owatch. But it is so amusing watching your antics. Oh yeah, you're proving your more intelligent than moderates and conservatives-not. Just keep talking. That alone will lose you whatever it is you hope to gain by posting here.

    Anon you have to understand the liberal mind . In their deusion they think that they are smarter and morally superior to conservatives therefore the parameters of good taste, decency , common sense and of the course truth don't apply to them. In their minds they are correct and anything they say is in the interest of pushing their agenda is therefore OK. To them the ends justify the means.
    Red Wolf you are right. The far left wing has followed the progression of left winf democrat-liberal-progressive-socialist -communist. They will not admit it beacuse either they are too dumb to realize they are being duped by it themselves or they know just what they seek and won't admit it. Why do you thing the olbytard considers himself the re-incarnation of Murrow? To what end ideology is olbermann defending? Murrow attacked McCarthy who was exposing communists in Hollywierd. Look at Hollyweird and the democrat party today. The ACLU is the driving force behind many of the court order changes in today's society. Care to guess what principles the ACLU was founded on? The fight for America is no longer between the right anf the left it is between right and wrong. The democrat party has become the big tent party of every degenerate, socialist, nanny state, entitlement, big tax, big government consortium of left wingnut misfits and anti-American whiners ever assembled. The leftists say they love America but they love it for what it could be, what they think it should be and not what it is or was. Their plans will turn America into their dream state. A third world socialist shit hole.
    Fueled by mad dogs like olbernutt and soros and the big mouths of Hollyweird and small brains in Washington they will stop at nothing to get their way. Witness their push for so called gay "marriage" they know they could nevber get a majority of voters to legalise it so what do they do? they go to the courts and get some liberal judge to negate the will of the people.Now they are in the schools with their "tolerance and diversity" brainwashing of our kids. They have no shame, no respect and will stop at nothing to change America.
    Hopefully people will watch olbynutt and hear his hypocrisy and lunacy and will let their sense of common sense preavail. People will see Klinton for the lying sleazebag his was and is. Hopefully America will take a long hard look at these ultra left wing kooks and see their true agenda and vote them all out of office.
    Oh and thanks billy ! I will never make the mistake of trying to eat dinner while on this site after you last post!
    bad visual, baaaad visual.

    This place still thinks that pointing out telvision ratings and book sales is the equivalent of a valid political point. Please in the future, come up with valid arguments to support your opinions. It would be more interesting here if you did.

    Blue states are not populated only by dems - however for the most part blue states are highly populated giving them high lots of jos and tax bases from the large number of republican tax payers (although not the voting majority).

    Generally liberals are uneduacated about economics and demographics.

    Apparently you don't get it. Keith Olbermann made book rankings an issue when he was announcing them on air. Keith Olbermann made ratings an issue when he was announcing them on air. When he says it, it's on the table for Olbermann Watch.

    Special Komments from Keith are dying
    Looks like he's about to start crying
    His maniacal spews
    NBC calls it "news"
    Like his "book" that sane folks aren't buying

    Has anyone ever entered the name "Olbermann" on the search engine for youtube.com? The results are numerous clips of Olbermann that are almost exclusively posted by people who adore him. In many cases, the same clip is posted over and over and over again, and the language used to support Olbyloon and trash the subjects of his smears is curiously similar. Also, there almost seems to be a movement among the posters of these videos and those who add comments to them that Keith Olbermann be officially recognized as the reincarnation of Edward R. Murrow. Call me conspiratorial if you like, but ya think Keith might have a hand in this? He did elect to take Murrow's nightly sign-off (with great tackiness I might add). Here is a sample of some of the titles of those video posts on youtube:

    Olbermann blasts Rummy
    Olbermann spanks O'Reilly
    Keith Olbermann blasts Rumsfeld
    Olbermann tackles Bush
    Olbermann spanks Bush
    Keith Olbermann blasts Rumsfeld (same title - same video - different poster)
    Olbermann destroys O'Reilly
    Keith Olbermann blasts Rumsfeld on Facism
    Olbermann blasts Rumsfeld on Facism
    Keith Olbermann Blasts Rumsfeld
    Olbermann DESTROYS Rumsfeld!

    I could go on and on and on....


    Bradon. I don't realy hope to gain anything by posting here. I probably will only expose myself for the rotten speller that I am. I dont work in a grocery store and I did go to college. I do agree that Keith should put other people on his show that give more of an opposing view than he does. I don't read the New York Times. I am trying to understand how other people think about the times we are living in. That's why I'm here. Keith says things that it might suprise you to know that a lot of people are thinking. Am I crazy or a liberal left wing nut job because I think that this country has been overly saturated in right wing bullshit for way too long. Please. Somebody out there. Wake up!How are you going to like it when an administration that you feel is not acting in your best interests, or your countries has all the power that these folks now have? What if they come for your ass? Remember who supported giving basic freedoms away to save us from the bad people. i'm asking you outright. Do you really think these guys in power are acting out of concern for us? Do you trust them just because they are republicans. We won't have any abortions, gay marriges or stem cell research. Just an eternal war with a draft soon to come. How will all those soccer moms feel when they draft their kid?

    I found Clinton's bit with Chris Wallace on You Tube and found it from the folks at Crooks and Liars. They had labeled it "Clinton Speaks Truth to Power"...like Clinton is some nobody taking on "Big Media" or Karl Rove... :D

    It's getting crazy, folks.

    Brandon, sorry i misspelled your name.

    Anon Maybe you can't read. Form follows function amigo. Go back and read some of the posts and points made in those posts in the archive. The Olbytards poor logic and ideology preceeds and is the cause of his poor ratings and book sales.
    Moron = poor sales, not poor sales =moron.
    Maybe if you were smart enough to READ then you would see the points made here everyday.Olberlunatic is just a liberal hack posing as journalist. All of the arguments against the olbyloon are valid and correct.
    maybe you would find yourself much more interesting if you learned how to read , but then if you did you probably would not be liberal defending Olbytard.

    First off Bush is the only president to federally fund stem cell research. Abortion rights aren't going anywhere based on the legal precedent of Roe Vs. Wade, Nobody is getting drafted in the near future, And the joke known as gay marriage is NOT and NEVER WILL BE A RIGHT!! Cry,cry,cry how everyone is a bigot because they don't agree with your narrow point of view but it will matter naught.

    Riverdog.. It never takes long for you to expose what a real pile of crap you are. Thankfully, you do it all by yourself.

    I think people have a "right" to be left the hell alone if they aint hurting anybody but themselves. And I aint crying. Actually I think this is kinda fun.

    You are absolutely right, "people" do have the right to be left alone if they aren't hurting anyone. But they never do leave us alone do they? Or does the oppression of the boy scouts(who actually contribute to society) by gay rights gangsters and their leftist politicians not ring a bell? Or maybe by forcing public libraries to stock such books such as "Heather has two mommies"? And now the Gay rights thugs presume to assume the rights of the married? Based on what established right?

    You are absolutely right, "people" do have the right to be left alone if they aren't hurting anyone. But they never do leave us alone do they? Or does the oppression of the boy scouts(who actually contribute to society) by gay rights gangsters and their leftist politicians not ring a bell? Or maybe by forcing public libraries to stock such books such as "Heather has two mommies"? And now the Gay rights thugs presume to assume the rights of the married? Based on what established right or precedent?

    "Would love to seen Allen call Olbermann out over macaca versus monkey and worst person in the world"

    Easy victory for KO:
    His usage of 'monkey' was clearly intended to mean a "talking monkey": a common usage referring to the idea that the person is an idiot who only repeats what he is told -- a variation on the idea that a infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters could create "Hamlet".

    Allen's 'macaca' also means 'monkey'. In this case, it is an obscure French slur against dark-skinned people, especially in Tunisia . Interesting that Allen just happened to "make up" up an insult that is so obscure that the only people who would know what it meant were progeny of French Tunisians.
    Somebody who, let's say, was the son of a French Tunisian: George Allen.

    So the list is:
    1) George Allen literally wrapped himself in the Confederate flag as a youth. In later years, even when he began running for Gov., kept a Confederate flag in his office, only one of two flags he kept out.
    2) Allen used the N-word in college.
    3) Allen hung up a 'lynching' noose outside his law office.
    4) Allen, as Gov., objected to a Martin Luther King day.
    5) Allen, as Gov., supported a Confederate History Month that completely ignored the issue of slavery.
    6) Allen, as Gov., willingly posed with the white supremisist hate group CCC.
    7) Allen, as Sen., called a Webb campaign staffer 'macaca'.
    8) Allen, as Sen., strenously objected to anyone linking him to Jewsih ancestry, even though HE was the one who started the discussion in the first place.

    Now, given Allen's long history of racism we are now supposed to believe he's not a bigot? Yeah, and I've got a bridge to sell you.

    "but going after Mike Wallace's son, who has a 30 year career of his own in network news and who has a dad who is still pretty connected in the network news scene, was probably a little too much, and the "protect your own" reaction probably came into play here (there are some media types, who, unlike Keith, are nuianced enough to know that all Fox News on-air types aren't alike."
    Posted by: John at September 26, 2006 08:56 PM

    Yea, Chris Wallace is a son to be proud of -

    By the NewsMax.com Staff
    For the story behind the story...
    Sunday, Dec. 11, 2005 10:06 a.m. EST

    Chris Wallace: Mike Wallace Has 'Lost It'


    "Fox News Sunday" anchorman Chris Wallace says father Mike Wallace has "lost it" - after the legendary CBS newsman told the Boston Globe last week that the fact George Bush had been elected president shows America is "[expletive]-up."

    "He's lost it. The man has lost it. What can I say," the younger Wallace lamented to WRKO Boston radio host Howie Carr on Friday.

    "He's 87-years old and things have set in," the Fox anchor continued. "I mean, we're going to have a competence hearing pretty soon."

    Wallace Jr. quickly dispelled any notion that he was joking. When Carr suggested that his comments were likely to be covered by NewsMax, he responded: "You know what? Fine. Go ahead. Call them. That's fine. I'll stand by that."

    Returning to the topic of his father's competence, Wallace Jr. explained: "He's checked out. I don't understand it," beyond the fact that Wallace Sr. has "problems with the war."

    "I don't know why he said what he said," he added.

    On Thursday, the elder Wallace told the Boston Globe that if he had the chance to interview President Bush, he'd ask:

    "What in the world prepared you to be the commander in chief of the largest superpower in the world? In your background, Mr. President, you apparently were incurious. You didn't want to travel. You knew very little about the military. . . . The governor of Texas doesn't have the kind of power that some governors have. . . . Why do you think they nominated you? . . . Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that the country is so [expletive] up?"

    Still, despite his criticism, Wallace Jr. seems to have inherited some of his father's shoot-from-the-lip-style.
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/11/100751.shtml

    I'm sorry, but "Heather has two mommies" offends me less than it should maybe. Nothing or no one can make me gay. They don't scare me. People who need to control other peoples behavior scare me. As far as the state is concerned my marriage to my wife is a financial partnership. They don't know when and how we sleep together or do whatever. They don't care. Why should they? That is why I feel they should let them be married. Lets face it. It's the business world that is dictating this issue. Big suprise, they don't want to have to pay benefits to a gay spouse.

    "You are absolutely right, "people" do have the right to be left alone if they aren't hurting anyone."

    And how, exactly, is "assum[ing] the rights of the married" hurting anyone?

    I can't stand the idea of homosexual sex (Brr!), but, hell, gay marriage doesn't bother me.

    BTW, I like how you put quotes around 'people'. Classic example of how a bigot refers to people he doesn't like.

    wow riverdog. Lets look at your rant here.

    "In their deusion they think that they are smarter and morally superior to conservatives therefore the parameters of good taste, decency , common sense and of the course truth don't apply to them."

    Actually that is far from the truth. First you sound more like a republican than a conservative.(they are very different) A republican is actually a liberal who doesn't have the intellectual prowess to be a conservative. This forces them to complain about meaningless issues like gay marriage, the attack on Christmas, blow jobs in the oval office, intelligent design not being taught in schools, ACLU, and other pointless distractions.

    I especially love this one, "Witness their push for so called gay "marriage" they know they could nevber get a majority of voters to legalise it so what do they do? they go to the courts and get some liberal judge to negate the will of the people." Have you ever paid attention to law and how it works? A person has the right to sue the government if they percieve their rights have been violated by the actions of the government. Our founding fathers realized that the majority is not always right so they put in safeguards to protect minority ideas. This idea is to make the law stonger than the emotional knee jerk reactions people tend to have to the events in their life. What you seem to support is the government defining the relationships people can have. That is not conservative, that is Republican. Republicans like Democrats want larger government interaction in our lives.

    "Now they are in the schools with their "tolerance and diversity" brainwashing of our kids." So are you saying you think teaching kids tolerance is a bad thing? The Bill of Rights is document based in tolerance.

    " People will see Klinton for the lying sleazebag his was and is" Who the hell is Klinton?

    You sound a lot like a Republican, and very little like a conservative. Conservatives actually make sense when they talk.

    Jon,

    I'm not at all adverse to civil unions for gays...but just following your argument, is it any better to have the courts defining marriage than it is for elected representatives?

    Too there was more to the Lewinsky investigation than "blow jobs in the Oval Office". Clinton was accused of perjury and of suborning perjury.

    Double too...what you define as "meaningless distractions"...may be important matters to other folks. You don't have to agree with them, but it's a bit arrogant to tell them that their ideas, feelings, and principles are "meaningless".

    Frankly "you sound a lot like"...a jerk.

    But who has the right to dictate what your children read in school? the Church or gay rights activists? Obviously the answer should be neither. Two guys or two women love each other.Great!! Enjoy, everyone is happy. Why should society be FORCED to accept them as husband/husband or wife/wife when there is no precedent for members of the same sex to be married? And why should any insurance company be FORCED to pay benefits to a gay spouse? Actually since costs incurred always go back on the policy holders I should say why should the rest of us be FORCED to pay extra for someones gay spouse?

    is it any better to have the courts defining marriage than it is for elected representatives?

    Absolutely. The courts follow Constitutional law, not emotion. Remember, it was the courts who first forced things like inter-racial marriage on society.

    anonymous,

    Actually my ""'s were all inclusive, though I appreciate your attempt to read my mind..But if you want to play the victim card by all means go for it..

    yeah jon the founding fathers would have approved of so called gay "marriage".
    I know that one of the main points of anger on the far looney left is so called gay "marriage" . In every state that so called gay "marriage" has been offerd to the voters they have soundly rejected it. The only way that so called gay "marriage or civil unions has been enacted is by a judge or judges. Having judges rule on matters by judicial fiat is tyranny. This country was founded on the will and voice of the people not by what some ultra liberal judge(s) rule. Youa re so far out of it you accuse ME and the government of re-defining marriage!!! WTF it ids you and your left wingnut homofascists that are trying to re-fefine marriage.
    and yes when my tax dollars go to public schools to legitimze and celebrate homosexuality which goes against my beliefs that is also tyranny. They give it the flowery little name of tolerance and diversity , funny how it only is tolerance for certainn sexual sickos.
    Maybe you should re-read the BOR . It is not based of homosexuality. It is so a free people can determine what knid of society they live in and the majority choose not to allow so caled gay 'marriage" face it so called gay "mariage" is NOT about marriage. it is about legitimizing a chisen lifestyle and sexual persuit that most people find disgusting and degenerate. Oh and I follow the law every day.
    nice try but you don't get to twist the country , the Bill of Rights and society to suit your sexual proclivites.
    and I am a conservative, an old school conservative . you sound like a progresive socialist who cannot read.

    Out of curiousity.

    Exactly who is forcing libraries to stock "Heather has two mommies?" All I've been able to find are links in which libraries, at the request of patrons, have stocked the book but XINOs are forcing them to take the books off the shelf.

    BTW,
    XINO : Christian In Name Only
    Guys who claim to be Christians but don't follow the teachings of Christ, e.g. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, George Bush, etc.

    riverdog. your a funny person. at least i think your posts are freeking hillarious!

    i said I couldn't spell. that was supposed to say "freaking hillarious". and they are. But at least I'm not trying to "re-fefine " whatever the hell that means.

    Posted by: codas at September 27, 2006 02:36 AM

    I admire your stamina. Trying to read his poorly written posts just gives me a headache.

    its the coffee addiction that keeps me going

    Who would think that some parents don't want their GRADE SCHOOL children exposed to other parent's sexual orientation? You'd think that they would accept that their personal rights to raise their children isn't as important as the liberal agenda to tell you what is right.

    Who would think that some parents want their GRADE SCHOOL children exposed to other parent's sexual orientation? You'd think that they would accept that their personal rights to raise their children isn't as important as the Christian conservative agenda to tell you what is right.

    What happened to Keith is a wackjob rants. I had a lesbian science teacher and I am sure a few gay men taught me english. Didn't bother me or my parents one bit.

    Nice Parrot,

    Polly want a cracker?

    yes i'd love a cracker thanks.

    Earl Camembert...Err...Keith Olbermann wishes he was a whackjob.. He's just another loud propagandist. happy?

    Now were back to were we was.

    "Absolutely. The courts follow Constitutional law, not emotion. Remember, it was the courts who first forced things like inter-racial marriage on society."

    They rightly ruled against state laws forbidding interracial marriage.

    But then the phrasing of such matters, as well as how unemotional justices are.... depends on whether are or not one agrees with the ruling.

    Remember 2000... :D

    Cecilia,

    "I'm not at all adverse to civil unions for gays...but just following your argument, is it any better to have the courts defining marriage than it is for elected representatives?"

    Courts have no power to define marriage. They have the power to interpret whether policies and actions taken by government, businesses, or individuals violate the laws set up in that state. Their decisions decide only if these actions can or can't be taken under the existing laws. They can't make law. That is up to the state legislatures.

    Clinton wasn't just accused of perjury, he was convicted of obstruction of justice. When the chief executive of our country breaks laws, it is an issue but the short story is a husband got caught cheating and lied. Not really a threat to our national security. Our government and press spent 24 hours a day for god knows how much time talking about this issue while issues that actually efect our lives like education, health care, terrorism, immigration, and the environment were all but ignored. Our country was held hostage while a political battle in our government raged between two groups who care more about being in power then what is good for our country. So yeah I consider it pointless in the larger scope of our country and the world. You do realize that this battle cost you and I millions of dollars!

    Also I didn't say "meaningless distractions", I said "pointless distractions". I do understand that these issues have meaning to people. I can respect that. We just seem to be more partisan these days rather than political. These issues usually are what the Democrats and Republicans create to energize their base. These "pointless distractions" are never about the well being of our country, they are about people wanting their opinions and beliefs legislated. You and I may disagree on something but that does not mean I want to get a law establishing my opinion over your opinion. That is wrong. You can call me a jerk but I would rather our government spend time trying to figure out how to fix our health care system then whether we should add a flag burning amendment to the consitution.

    PS I am not a jerk by the way. : )

    I myself will never forget how much time and effort was wasted on impeaching Clinton. I thought the "House Managers" were no diferent than Oswald sitting up in the window. It was a political assasination.

    nighty night.

    Riverdog,

    "The only way that so called gay "marriage or civil unions has been enacted is by a judge or judges. "

    Judges do not create laws or policies. Please name a law that a judge created that has spawned your version of armageddon called "gay marriage". This tyranny you are so paranoid about is not possible cause of how our government is set up.

    I did not say the BOR is "based in homosexuality." You are obviously way to fascinated with gays for your own good.

    "It is so a free people can determine what knid of society they live in and the majority choose not to allow so caled gay 'marriage" face it so called gay "mariage" is NOT about marriage."

    let me refresh you on thie BOR....

    Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


    Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


    Amendment III No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


    Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


    Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


    Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


    Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


    Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


    I see nothing in here that is consistent with your theory on the BOR.


    Again you are not a conservative, you are a Republican.


    "First off Bush is the only president to federally fund stem cell research."

    No Biggie - he is the first president where the issue came up. And he barely supported it.

    George Allen said "macacca". We have heard it every day for a month. Remember "Ghandi", he ran a gas station. Remember, "If you don't have an Indian dialect", you shouldn't go to a 7-11.

    The last two we heard once, because the MSM had to recognize it or FNC would have had a scoop. You know, kinda like the scoop PSMBC had when they said Jon Benet's Killer was in custody in Thailand. We broke it here first at PSMBC. They kept hyping it over and over, until they said "oops", he is not the killer!

    Can't wait till its "Inside San Quentin" 24/7. And, how does Olbermann's ratings go up 30% every month and still finish last every night, regardless of what demo you use?

    Jon, rather than responding to your rather long winded piece, I will respond to your first question: "Judges do not create laws or policies. Please name a law that a judge created that has spawned your version of armageddon called "gay marriage." This is one of the more ignorant statements I have encountered. Do you recall the Massachusetts Supreme Court telling the legislature to either amend the constitution or court will do it for them (i.e. legalising homosexual marriage). How about Bowers v. Hardwick and Lawrence v. Texas? It struck down all laws against sodomy telling state legislatures that they do not have the repbulican (notice small R) right to pass legislation regarding their views on morality. While these might seem on the extremely superficial level as unrelated, I think someone of your intelligence can see the connection. Judges are frequently deciding what is law and what is not (Roe v. Wade is the BIGGEST example of that).

    Anybody catch the segment on Scarborough Country on O"Reilly? John Stossil was on and talked about how O'Reilly murders his competition on cable and Scarborough completey agreed and talked about what a run away hit he was and slapped down the guy from Media Matters who was on. This can't sit well with Keith. Stossil and Scarborough just completey slapped down the Media Matters guy and was actually nice to hear. Anybody wanna bet how many times Keith called Abrams to complain?

    A new ad for the "Keith Dimbulbermann Show" is up at MSNBC:

    http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2087/olbermannstupidity2fl8.jpg

    Maybe their ratings can hit 100 people watching their lineup of stupidity at any one time.

    Squalls Blade, I saw the piece. I have been thinking that Scarborough has really trashed conservatives as of late, but last night, he was just fawning at O'Reilly and his ratings, MUCH MORE SO than even Stossel.

    Further, Scarborough spent a lot of time speaking of how conservatives are trashed by most in the media (even though, as mentioned earlier, he's done so himself).

    O'Reilly's own mom couldn't have been more deferential and in praise of him, IMO. I'm a huge O'Reilly fan and even I have never spoke that well of him. So I do think Scarborough may have been trying to get to Olbermann, although I'm sure Olbermann would never watch SC.

    Anyway, it it was a good piece.

    spoke = spoken

    Anon (a few miles up the thread)

    Interesting piece about Wallace vis a vis his father, though when your own dad starts cursing in public for media consumption you might be a little embarassed about it.

    Still, I supposed it does mean Keith could try and have Mike on to dish out at his son. However, his guests on "Countdown" are kind of like the folks a prosecutor puts on during a trial to give testimony after a plea-bargain -- they don't get to talk unless DA Olbermann knows what they're going to say helps the DA. Given what happened a month ago when Keith had Jackie Mason on the show and was expecting one response but got another, I doubt they'd do an interview with Mike unless it could be taped, blood being thicker than water and all that.

    Hellooooooooooooooooooooo everybody, how have you all been........I am happy to announce my own blog site coming soon, I'll keep you all posted. Now I have been watching KO over the past few weeks and his shows are getting better and better by the day. The special comments are making this country a better place and finally someone on cable news is exposing the lies of our current administration. Bravo to Keith on his ratings increase, it is well deserved. Also kind've a poll question...what do you all think my first blog should be about...........here are your options....................

    1- The Fox Lies Channel
    2- O'Reilly's Arabian fantasies
    3 - Olberman Watch- the misinformed and stupid
    4 - The Surge of the Democrats
    5 - The Bush torture doctrine

    These attacks on Fox news are definitely having some effect, just as the attacks on WalMart have an effect. The leftists have a monopoly on TV news except for Fox, so the attempt to label and marginalize the network is expected. After all, as the MSM and the Democrats would say, "[the media] is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party." Unfortunately for the MSM, Fox has Murdoch and Ailes to contend with, both of whom have a clear idea of what the viewer wants. But again the enemies of Fox would say, "ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"

    Having said that, these claims of "bias" do influence viewers with little ability to discern what is really going on (the young and elderly mostly). Seems to me that is why Fox's ratings are (relatively) down. Hopefully, Fox will play offense and make a point of outing leftists in the mainstream media while continuing to present both sides of the issues.

    As for Olbermann, he is a mosquito sucking blood from the sparrow that eats the bugs from the Fox News Bull's hindquarters.

    KFK............or you could look at Fox News channels decline in ratings as direct correlation as to how the American people have a poor view of the Bush administration and the republican congress and how fox fails to be critical of them...........you can only keep people in the dark for so long before they figure out you've been misleading them.

    Pussy-Wussy: I think your first topic/subject should be how Krazy Keith is the "New" Michael Moore and how he helps the Republicans to a landslide victory in November.

    One can only hope that "some" people are awakening from this nightmare poor excuse for leadership that we have been stuck in. Please let it end. Wake up and kick these people in the ass. Thank you Keith for trying.

    TushyWushy,

    Fox is killing CNN and MSLSD. Does that mean people are sick and tired of hearing the same old left wing propaganda from corrupt newspeople at the third rate newschannels? That is your argument, is it not? I think it is!

    Fox news does not "defend" the administration. They present the administration's point of view, just as they let Colms and other lefty loonies spout off on air. The constant attacks on Fox make weak minded people who don't really pay attention think, "yeah, I heard that Fox News is a right wing organization, so I'll watch the even handed CNN." Meanwhile, crazy Ted Turner is basically a communists, and he STARTED that crazy news channel.

    Leftists feed off of ignorance. Look at Chavez -- he LOVES the uneducated since they can be easily manipulated. Leftists know a stupid, uninformed voter is their best customer.

    Pussy-Wussy Said: "you could look at Fox News channels decline in ratings as direct correlation "

    Are you kidding?

    Oh, yeah- we all know how Fox is dead last in every category with every show in every time slot... no, wait! That's LSDNBC!

    By the way Tushy Wushy, do you agree that Howard Dean's statements are true? You know, these two statements:

    "[the media] is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party."

    "ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"

    Pussy-Wussy Said: "you could look at Fox News channels decline in ratings as direct correlation "

    Are you kidding?

    Oh, yeah- we all know how Fox is dead last in every category with every show in every time slot... no, wait! That's LSDNBC!

    What are you "not inhaling"?

    "Do you recall the Massachusetts Supreme Court telling the legislature to either amend the constitution or court will do it for them (i.e. legalising homosexual marriage). How about Bowers v. Hardwick and Lawrence v. Texas? It struck down all laws against sodomy telling state legislatures that they do not have the repbulican (notice small R) right to pass legislation regarding their views on morality"

    Riverdog, in any of those cases that is not what the judges said. In Massachusetts, the judges ruled that barring gay marriage is aginst the state consitution under it's discriminatio0n clauses. They simply pointed out that you can ammend the constutuion to make gay marriage illegal and then barring it would be a legal restriction. They did not threaten to amend the constution themselves to leagalize gay marriage. Judges do not have that power. That is ridiculous theory. The Bowers vs Hardwick decision actually upheld sodomy laws. It as the Lawrence vs Texas ruling that overturned the Bowers ruling. One of the rationals for overturning the law was that since sodomy is something both straight and gay people practice, you can't apply enforcement of the law just to one group which is this case in Lawrence vs Texas.

    "Judges are frequently deciding what is law and what is not (Roe v. Wade is the BIGGEST example of that)."

    Yes you are right. Judges though can never create law. That is an important distinction.

    "that they do not have the repbulican (notice small R) right to pass legislation regarding their views on morality."

    What is a republican right to pass legislation? I've never heard of that.

    The premise here that you should be able to legislate based on morality is a very tricky situation since what people find moral is all over the book. The problem as I stated to Ceilia above is that while I do not agree with you on many things, I would never, ever want to legislate my opinion as law. I understand that we live in a multi-dimensional society with many different ideas and morals. I love that. I just wish that government would get out of the business of legislating morality to it's people in cases where the behavior does not endanger the lives or property or other people. Please look at the countries in the middle east as an important lesson as to what happens when a government legislates it's view of morality on it's people. I know you do not want that over here.

    sorry for the double post :(

    "YES!!!! We are obsessed! We are obessed with truth and accuracy and fairness."

    You are obsessed with getting Republicans elected. You pretend to be obsessed with Olbermann to that end. You are as transparent as glass.

    BTW, Robert, how do you make your living?

    Keith Olbermann is nothing more than an arrogant, intellectually dishonest, liberal lackey. Fox, the network he so loaths, at least presents dissenting views and critical letters from viewers. Mr O would never stoop so low. His program, by comparison is a liberal love-fest, allowing him to create a facade of intellectual and moral superiority. A four-year old can see through his bias. Fortunately, almost nobody watches this creep. A truely despicable man.

    Steve and KFK- oh how I weep for your ignorance.
    ..pussywussy...tushywushy....you guys are hilarious...and clever, how you come up with such clever names I will never understand....and funny I don't remmeber insulting either of you on the last post....but I guess you guys really want to be like Bushy and want to stay on the offensive.

    Anyway, back to the matter at hand.....

    Landslide victory for Republicans in November- hardly, as several media outlets report today that if an election were held today Democrats would take back control of Congress.

    FOX news is killing CNN and MSNBC- yes you are right, but the gap is closing..and by the way if the most popular was viewed as also being the best we would be mistaken. If we viewed subjects that way.....it's the most popular so it must be the best we then would have to concede........Titanic is the best movie ever made...Micheal Jackson is the best singer ever, Stephen King is the best author,the last episode of Mash is the great episode on television ever.....and so on and so on.Bottom line, because it is the most viewed does not mean it is the best.

    Fox News is not critical of the bush administration and it's policies...look at recent subjects like torture, security reports, the handling of Iraq.......a true news channel should not be a cheerleader for political purposes....and to say only weak minded people view the press clippings about fox news and then decide not to watch it and go to CNN, the opposite is probably happening...meaning weakminded people only watch fox, listen to limbaugh and so on...because they are not free thinkers and have to told how to think.

    CHAVEz- yes he was wrong to say bushy is the devil.....he made himself look bad. However, the fact that a world leader would say that in front of a UN council speaks volumes of the lack of respect for our president...something u can't disagree with

    FOX news is killing CNN and MSNBC- yes you are right, but the gap is closing..and by the way if the most popular was viewed as also being the best we would be mistaken. If we viewed subjects that way.....it's the most popular so it must be the best we then would have to concede........Titanic is the best movie ever made...Micheal Jackson is the best singer ever, Stephen King is the best author,the last episode of Mash is the great episode on television ever.....and so on and so on.Bottom line, because it is the most viewed does not mean it is the best.

    Do ratings matter?? Do polls matter?? If not why is olb so crazed with his or oriellys ratings. Send olb this memo when he talks about bush's ratings.

    This was reported on Page Six web site for 9/27/06:
    POWDER PUFF SPOOKS KEITH

    MSNBC loudmouth Keith Olbermann flipped out when he opened his home mail yesterday. The acerbic host of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" was terrified when he opened a suspicious-looking letter with a California postmark and a batch of white powder poured out. A note inside warned Olbermann, who's a frequent critic of President Bush's policies, that it was payback for some of his on-air shtick. The caustic commentator panicked and frantically called 911 at about 12:30 a.m., sources told The Post's Philip Messing. An NYPD HazMat unit rushed to Olbermann's pad on Central Park South, but preliminary tests indicated the substance was harmless soap powder. However, that wasn't enough to satisfy Olbermann, who insisted on a checkup. He asked to be taken to St. Luke's Hospital, where doctors looked him over and sent him home. Whether they gave him a lollipop on the way out isn't known. Olbermann had no comment.

    "I will note that Hannity, Rush and the rest call them both "Mr." at times and also use just their last names "Bush" and "Clinton."

    So, that is a dumb arguement by those of you who want to jump that particular pony."

    please... use your head. Agree with Kieth ornot, it is obvious he treats Bush with the utmost disdain. Lets not spin here.

    Yes the transcripts can't convey his tone of voice. But let's stick to the issue of the constant "Mister" Bush references. We have cases of Olby using that phrase as many as 11 times in just 25 minutes. Over and over like a mantra. Now if someone can point out any other news "anchor" who can top, or even just match that, then they will have a point.

    Landslide victory for Republicans in November- hardly, as several media outlets report today that if an election were held today Democrats would take back control of Congress.

    It will say alot about the liberal ideas if they do not win huge. A look at the past should signal a huge gain for dems. Look at gingrich. I think liberals are in a major down swing. Look at msnbc, air america and other liberal outlets. All doing very poorly. Don't believe that americans are buying the liberal agenda. People like to hear thier beliefs re-enforced, that is why o'reilly squashes olbermann.

    Squishytushy wrote:

    "Fox News is not critical of the bush administration and it's policies"

    Gee Squishy, I didn't know that was the job of a news organization! You see, criticism is OPINION. That is why the Fox News people say "we report, you decide!" No wonder you do not understand Fox News. What you want is CNN or Pravda (or Pravda's sister paper the New York Times).

    By the way, are you going to answer my question about Dr. Dean's quotes? Do you agree with them. And as for our mocking your "name," you are the one who actually thought "BushyWushy" was funny, so you are in no position to attack others for their comedic choices.

    I thought I’d seen it all, but growing up, I could never imagine anything as crazy as this.

    KO’s show is actually about Fox News, he doesn’t haven’t any news, he has to pay his guests, he is at the bottom of the ratings, and he actually calls his show a news show. He tells people on air that he is doing well in the ratings, and tries to sell his book every night.

    aliomali,

    I bet Keith staged that whole thing. Now that Mr. Bill is on Al Qaeda's death list, Keith needs to compete with him! What better way than to pretend he was exposed to anthrax? Now, I find this conspiracy theory to be beyond an Olberrian unit of certainty, and I admit using equations first discovered by MSLSD and Countdown in my assumptions.

    Now, if the letter was "suspicious," why did that idiot (Keith) open it? And who the Hell knows Kreepy Keith's home address? It all sounds very fishy to me.

    If I give Kreepy the benefit of the doubt, the perp would have to be a woman he molested from the old e-mail days.

    Regarding the Olby/Soap flakes scare:

    I hope the cops nail the per who sent it out. That kind of baloney is uncalled for. Disagreement, mockery, spoof and ridicule are all fair, but committing a crime is not. End of story.

    That being said, I do find it amusing that the reincarnation of Edward R Murrow ran like a Frenchman, while Tom Brokaw acted like a man when he was faced with a real attack. Also, KO will now use it on his show as proof of "evil Rovians".

    Regarding the Olby/Soap flakes scare:

    I hope the cops nail the per who sent it out. That kind of baloney is uncalled for. Disagreement, mockery, spoof and ridicule are all fair, but committing a crime is not. End of story.

    That being said, I do find it amusing that the reincarnation of Edward R Murrow ran like a Frenchman, while Tom Brokaw acted like a man when he was faced with a real attack. Also, KO will now use it on his show as proof of "evil Rovians".

    Sorry for the double post.

    I would not want to be the cop who had to investigate the "great soap flake case!" Imagine the list of people you would have to interview -- everyone who has worked with Keith despises him, the viewers he has molested despise him, and he attacks people all day long on his show! On the one hand, Keith is a near-anonymous "celebrity." On the other hand, he has made a point of making enemies.

    I wonder if Keith is lobbying congress for a special prosecutor right now. Has he already "connected the dots" to include George Bush and Karl Rove in the huge conspiracy that is "SoapFlake Gate?"

    Most likely a publicity stunt. KO is trying to get people to say his name, as he is trying to find viewers and sell some books. I couldn't imagine someone feeling threatened enough by KO to actually do something that wacked.

    Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
    The whole gay "mariage thing and decsions such as Roe v Wade
    should be decided by the VOTERS at the state level.
    tell me why in Massachussets the gay lobby is fighting so hard to stop the referendum on so called gay "marriage"? Why are they so against people voting?
    Like I have said before and I will say again. So called gay "marriage' is not about marriage at all it is about a certain group of people and their vocal supporters trying to re-define marriage and the family and legitimizing certain sexual activites.

    Let's all head down to the local recruiter and sign up to go to Iraq. Let's all put our money were our mouths are. Let's Roll. C'mon fellahs, who's with me?

    I did my time thanks back in the early 70's. I actually called and talked to a recruiter after 9/11 but I am too old to go back into a war zone.

    I served in the 1990s. I was told I was too old as well.

    KFK- provide a link to where Dean says that and I will comment on it.

    Fox reports and you decide...should be...fox reports a one sided republican view point and if you disagree...you're un american.......as for liberals being on a downturn due to poor ratings of air america, ko, and so on.........what about republicans...poor poll numbers(both presidential and congress), corruption running rampant, national security document claiming Iraq has made terrorism worse, lack of respect by other countries, etc, etc, etc.

    The last time I heard someone on cable news accusing people of being un-American, it was Keith Olbermann.

    "We have cases of Olby using that phrase as many as 11 times in just 25 minutes. Over and over like a mantra. Now if someone can point out any other news "anchor" who can top, or even just match that, then they will have a point."

    Ever listen to the BBC?

    Dumb question, I know. You are too busy pouring in all the trash TV that can fit between your ears.

    "the reincarnation of Edward R Murrow ran like a Frenchman..."

    Going to the hospital to get checked out after a fake anthrax attack is somehow running away? What was he supposed to do, fight it out with the white powder? Eat it all, just to prove his manliness? This is the problem with you obsessed assclowns, you are just unhinged. Let's face it, if you were essentially being stalked by a bunch of internet weirdos that were spending their entire lives dissecting every aspect of yours, both personally and professionally, you might be a bit jumpy too. I wouldn't be surprised if a McVeigh or two were to emerge among you at some point. You ever read Riverdog's posts?

    BlErie bob wrote:

    "Let's face it, if you were essentially being stalked by a bunch of internet weirdos that were spending their entire lives dissecting every aspect of yours, both personally and professionally, you might be a bit jumpy too."

    Funny, Olby purposely attacks, stalks, and encourages the stalking of, one Bill O'Reilly. That he has suffered at the hands of the very lunatics he encourages proves that Karma is not just the name of a chick Keith sexually abused, and that it indeed does "bite".

    NYC has one of the best chemical haz-met units in the United States, if not the world. If they determined it was soap powder, there was no need for Olby to go running to the hospital like a scared baby. It's funny, he's made great sport of other's misadventures and misfortune but for some reason, he thinks his own personal life is off limits for discussion. While I think whomever did this is simply deplorable, and obviously mentally ill, and I hope that the police are able to find them and punish them, you have to wonder how much of it is indeed, well, to coin a phrase, "Karma" for KO's mistreatment of others.

    I smell another "special comment" where he'll blame followers of Bush for trying to stop him for "speaking truth to power".

    Something is real fishy here..the only person who benefits from this stuht is KO who will milk it for all its worth.

    Erie Bob Olberloon writes:

    ". . .if you were essentially being stalked by a bunch of internet weirdos that were spending their entire lives dissecting every aspect of yours, both personally and professionally, you might be a bit jumpy too. . .I wouldn't be surprised if a McVeigh or two were to emerge among you at some point"

    More silly and pointless drivel from EBO, showing why he is slowly creeping up on Jill Perry as the nuttiest Olberloon out there. Anything that resembles criticism of his hero Orange Boy is cast as "stalking" by "internet weirdos" which would justify Krazy Keith being "jumpy". What a load of crap. This is a tactic perfected by the Clintons to demonize MSM alternatives like talk radio-- remember when Clinton suggested that talk radio caused the OKC bombing?

    Olby is laughed at by the clear thinkers on this site because he is the Art Bell of the cable talk show world. "Stolen" election in Ohio, anyone? Impending indictments for Karl Rove, anyone?

    There is a big difference between mocking someone and threatening them. If you want to admonish someone for their threatening internet manners. maybe you start with your hero, the deranged Orange Boy. When confronted on June 8, 2006 by a couple of prankster e-mailers who mocked Olbermann by saying that Zarquawi was his hero, here was the lucid, non-threatening response by your hero, the Orange Boy:

    "Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself."

    Here are other examples of Krazy Keith e-mail responses to his detractors:

    "Given how far you are from knowing your ass from your elbow about my industry, you couldn't be stupider, wronger, or dumber ..."

    "Go fuck your mother."

    "You 'Americans' still watching that evil fucking O'Reilly?

    Ok, who is the "stalking" "internet weirdo" now?

    mlong,

    Seems very conspiratorial, doesn't it? Who would know Keith's home address? These letters always go to the work address of celebrities (even fourth-rate ones). This was done by Keith himself or somebody who knows Keith. On the short list I would put ex-boyfriends of Katy Tur, or her relatives. Lord knows they must be horrified that Keith "Kaptain Kreepy" Olbermann is befouling their little angel!

    Olberloney-toons ego is just flaring again with this "anthrax" BS. I would not doubt that he set it up himself for a promotional stunt to give more air time whining about the vast right wing conspiracy. It was probably just a laundry soap promotion he got in the mail and as the girly-man he is he just wet his panties. And of course he will blame it on Bush just like every other looney toon left wingnut.
    There is no need to hasten olbyloons demise - he is doing great just self-imploding on his own.

    "If they determined it was soap powder, "

    Did they?

    "no need for Olby to go running to the hospital like a scared baby."

    Did he?

    "You have to wonder how much of it is indeed, well, to coin a phrase, "Karma" for KO's mistreatment of others."

    No. What I have to wonder is how long you Malcolm X style, by any means neccessary, robotic assclowns are going to continue to make up all the details of uncorroborated rumors, and then wet yourselves in glee when your kangaroo kook jury hands down the "guilty of treason" verdict.

    Ridiculous.

    Regarding the Olby/Soap flakes scare:

    Does anyone remember Morton Downey Jr.?

    I wouldn't put it past Olby to turn this whole thing into a giant publicity stunt. If it isn't, then I apologize to him for suggesting it. But if you were a celebrity, and you got a suspicious package, would you be dumb enough to open it? The whole story doesn?t make sense.

    "showing why he is slowly creeping up on Jill Perry as the nuttiest Olberloon out there."

    Sorry assclown, I already won that election, despite being outed by Cecelia the Girl for never having viewed Olbermann's program. You guys voted for me more than both of the hot newscaster chicks in the previous survey put together, proving that the average Coxlover's sick little Olberman obsession is stronger than your appreciation of females. So yes, you are creepy and scary, end of story.

    "Ok, who is the "stalking" "internet weirdo" now?"

    Gee, I'm kind of torn between the people who hack into email servers to try and read what Olbermann is privately saying, and those who continually fetishize said emails and repost them. Hmmmm....

    Since we're talking about real conservatives, I thought I'd quote Barry Goldwater:
    "I don't have any respect for the Religious Right. There is no place in this country for practicing religion in politics. That goes for Falwell, Robertson and all the rest of these political preachers. They are a detriment to the country."
    "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
    "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,"
    "A woman has a right to an abortion."
    "I am a conservative Republican but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."
    "I believe in separation of church and state. Now, he (Pat Robertson) doesn't believe that . . . I just don't think he should be running (for President)."
    "A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."
    "I look at these religious television shows and they are raising big money on God. One million, three million, five million - they brag about it. I don't believe in that. It's not a very religious thing to do."
    "Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength."
    "Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"
    "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
    "Government governs best when it governs least -- and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays."
    "It's time America realized that there was no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence"
    "You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

    Erie Bob states:

    "You guys voted for me more than both of the hot newscaster chicks in the previous survey put together,proving that the average Coxlover's sick little Olberman obsession is stronger than your appreciation of females. So yes, you are creepy and scary, end of story."

    I don't care one whit about your stupid little "Olberloon " title that you keep harping on more than Orange Boy plugs that new book bearing his name. Did you not ever win anything in high school or college? Is your trophy case empty so you have to tout this mocking put down to feel good about yourself? You need a good infusion of self esteem


    "those who continually fetishize said emails and repost them. Hmmmm...."

    It's called presenting evidence. You are right EBO, I have posted these Olby e-mails on this site before to point out to you Olby sycophants that Orange Boy is an unhinged wacko controlled by his rage and emotions rather than a lucid rational person capable of reason and objectivity. But you are too caught up in projecting your own "fetishes" on to me to be able to understand why it is necessary to "repost" evidence because you Olby lovers don't get it the first, second, third, and fourth time it is posted.

    ray,
    You're trying to claim the minority of Republicans (in some cases a very small minority) in blue states
    make so much money they raise the overall median income of the blue states. Let's use New Jersey as an example. It has the highest median income and far more Democrats than Republicans. Also, less than half of the income earners are Republican. Correct? In red states there are more Republicans than Democrats. Assuming you know what "median" means how is it possible the median income is higher in red states than in blue states due to Republicans? Logically, if Republicans earned more and worked more than Democrats we'd expect the red states to have lower unemployment and higher incomes. That clearly isn't the case. Now go look up median in the dictionary so you can learn something.

    Jon,
    How dare you criticize the flag-burning amendment? Great countries which are loved by right-wingers have banned flag burning. There may be only three such countries but the right-wingers want you to know they are the greatest three countries around: Iran, China, Cuba. Who doesn't want to do what those countries do?

    Edward Schatz,
    Jon's "long-winded piece" is called the Bill of Rights. Perhaps, since you don't recognize it, you aren't an expert on Constitutional law.By the way, how would you respond to the Bill of Rights? Like most right-wingers I assume? Evil Bill of Rights? George Bush hates you so much? How dare you exist? I wish you would just die?

    I love the way anyone who doesn't think Olbermann is a deranged unhinged lunatic is supposed to be stupid, uneducated, liberal dimwit, whatever. The truth is most of you can't accept the reality that the people you love so much and trusted are breaking the bank and running this countries future into the ground. These guys will be dead and gone and your children will be left to clean up this freaking mess they left them.

    "I love the way anyone who doesn't think Olbermann is a deranged unhinged lunatic is supposed to be stupid, uneducated, liberal dimwit, whatever"

    No, it just means that you are in deep denial of a plain and unambigous human condition. Now if Olbermann was trying to play this from a comedic angle, I would revise my opinion. I do see some similarities between Meltdown and professional wrestling shows (false bravado, continous conspiratorial themes, ginned up dramatic intonation, bright face tint), but I think KK is trying to be taken seriously. Therefore, it is only logical that KK's words and antics would be characteristic of one suffering from an unhinged derangement.

    BYW-- I did not say that he was a deranged unhinged lunatic. I said he was an unhinged wacko.

    "Like I have said before and I will say again. So called gay "marriage' is not about marriage at all it is about a certain group of people and their vocal supporters trying to re-define marriage and the family and legitimizing certain sexual activites."

    you sound somewhat paranoid. Doesn't our constitution mention something about "the pursuit of happieness". Maybe this is all they want. The ability to pursue their happiness.

    paranoid eh" that's the typical liberal strategy demonize the normal person and make it seem like they are the ones with the problem. just like the laughable "homophobe'. yeah sure it the heterosexual ones that have the problem-right keep telling yourself that.
    you have the right to be gay and persuit your happiness but the majority of normal folks rightfully believe that homosexuality is wrong and asexual degeneracy. you gett ehright to be a degenrate if you so choose but you don;t get to change the societal definition of marriage and the famiuly to try and legitimize your sickness. there will never be so called gay "marriage" in America- get used to it and get over it.