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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    September 28, 2006
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - SEPTEMBER 28, 2006

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • ELECTION POLITICS: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek; Lawrence O'Donnell, Democrat political analyst
    • THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT: Chris Hedges

    In the Thursday night spiel, Olbermann thundered about the President:

    What's come off now, his wheels?

    Keith barked that the Republicans are the "party of Bush and torture", took a shot at Dennis Hastert, and cited as an example of things getting "worse" reports that Bush has received advice from Henry Kissinger. Oooooh, that's scary.

    The Hour of Spin proper kicked off with the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann complaining about the fact that the President has the power to detain non-citizens "forever". Then based on a Bob Woodward tidbit, Olby added:

    And the President can now evidently lie about how frequently Americans are attacked in Iraq, and bring in Henry Kissinger...

    Summing up the legislative debate, Keith stated:

    When Democrats in the House voted to support our history and values instead of the President's expediencies...

    Unbiased, impartial Olbermann. He cited Patrick "Leaky" Leahey, who wants to "preserve" the rights of habeas corpus.

    Stop the tivo!

    It's a prerequisite when preserving anything that it has to be there in the first place. In what war did our prisoners ever have habeas corpus rights (the right to go into civilian courts and demand to be charged or released)? Did our German or Japanese POWs have that right in WWII? Did our VietNam prisoners have that right? How exactly can Olby claim to want to preserve a "right" that has never, in all our history, existed?

    Back to the tivo. Herr Olbermann stated this right is needed because what if the government:

    ...decides you are not the upstanding American you thought you were but a terrorist.
    Stop the tivo again! This bill has nothing to do with regular Americans. It's about detaining combattants during war. How many times do we have to explain this to Krazy Keith?

    He showed a clip of Leahy (D) arguing that the bill would "eliminate" habeas corpus (shameless disregarding of facts and truth). A clip from the other side of the argument, maybe someone pointing out that prisoners of war have never had habeas corpus rights? Something about how there are more legal protections than in the court martial system that applies to our own troops? Oh, apparently there wasn't time to squeeze any of that in.

    Then it was off to relay Bob Woodward's report that things are worse in Iraq than anyone thought. Um, is this the same Bob Woodward that Olby has blasted for his "mistakes"? The same Bob Woodward he has accused of being unethical? Yup. Same guy. He was a villain then, but in the ever-flexible judgments on OlbyPlanet, tonight he's a hero.

    KO asked the Wolffe Man about "Mister" Bush and Kissinger, making an immediate parallel to VietNam. Then it was time for Keith's Kampaign Korner, the nightly segment when he telegraphs to the toadies in his party what tack they should take:

    Should the Democrats be running this campaign by portraying what the President sees as strength, as instead some kind of dangerous unwillingless to confront the reality of the situation on the ground there?

    Herr Olbermann groused about the Dems giving up too much in exchange for a handful of amendments, went after the President for not being nonpartisan (six weeks before an election), and great thanksed Wolffie. There were references to Jack Abramoff, and then--again!--we got the deranged Lawrence ("Liar! Creepy Liar!") O'Donnell for a round of impartial analysis.

    Crazy Larry focused on Abramoff as the epitome of scandal in DC. (How quickly they forgot William Jefferson, the most corrupt man in Congress, according to one of Olby's own guests.) He went on to trumpet the brilliance of Bill Jefferson Clinton, and then it was damage control time for Keith Olbermann. When his own expert guest yesterday shot down his latest tin-foilery (the Taliban offered UBL to Bush and he didn't take him) as based on less than nothing, KO had to try again. So he regurgitated it anew with someone who has no anti-terrorism expertise whatsoever: Crazy Larry.

    Olby demanded to know why the Democrats aren't running his incriminating tape (an obscure, unknown reporter asking a question at a presser--yes, that is the sum total of the "proof" for Herr Olbermann's premise). Larry yobbled about how the tape is a "reflection" of something or other, and added that no one in the adminstration is talking about it. Aha! More proof!! Keith put his kampaign hat on again:

    Why haven't the Democrats jumped on any of those facts?

    Crazy Larry said the public isn't interested in whose fault it is, but because it's a "post-Katrina" world "those kinds of statements from Ari Fleischer" have more impact. (The incriminating Fleischer statement was basically: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'll look into it.) Olby great thanksed Crazy Larry, again calling him a "political analyst" and deliberately leaving out his party affiliation. But Olbermann Watch is on to those tricks, and we have updated The List accordingly.

    The #4 slot was dedicated to Bad News from Iraq, specifically a taped video rerun from NBC. After oddball, a Monica Novotny report on the flick "Jesus Camp". Krazy Keith's intro equated charismatic Christians with murderous terrorists, which is close to a new low even for Keith Olbermann. Monica's report was far above Countdown standards. But then, anything on the show that doesn't involve Olbermann automatically raises the journalism level.

    Olby made reference to the "right-wing Family Research Council" (a favorite label on The Hour of Spin, much more so than the infrequently spoken "left-wing"). Then he mentioned "George Allen of macaca infamy". We expect no less from Keith Olbermann of "monkey" fame. Krazy blasted the Values Voter Summit:

    Bishop Wellington Boone, of Wellington Boone Ministries. He got up on stage just about an hour and a half after Mr Snow, spewed vulgar, anti-gay epithets, then suggested that the Anti-Christ is homosexual.
    Stop the tivo!

    Where is Keith getting all this from? Why naturally, from another left-wing site: the discredited Think Progress. Needless to say, he doesn't credit them for his "research". But what happens when you lift stories from left-wing blogs and don't fact-check them? Bishop Wellington Boone's "vulgar, anti-gay epithets":

    Back in the days when I was a kid, and we see guys that don;t stand strong on principle, we call them "faggots." A punk is--and our people, I'm from the ghetto, so sometimes it does come out a little bit.... "You're sissified out!" "You're a sissy!" That means you don't stand up for principles. And I just believe that God hasn't called us to be sissies on a principle level.

    And what about the Bishop's statement about the Anti-Christ? Um, there wasn't any. He never said it! Now someone else did, at a different session, much later in the day--at least that's the claim of a left-wing blogger. But it wasn't the Bishop "an hour and a half after Mr Snow". Olbermann gets it wrong again.

    KO's impartial expert to analyze the movement was the author of "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America". Olby described it as "essential". Need we say more? No, but we will. Reverend Olby was ready to preach:

    What does, uh, the fact that the spokesman for the leader of, uh, of, uh, the country got up on the same stage with somebody who spouted hate speech about gays tells us about the power this movement has over this administration?

    Hate speech? It's easy for Keith "Man on Fan" Olbermann to call it that, especially when he didn't bother to quote what was said. But reading a teleprompter is apparently not so easy for Olby:

    White evangelical Christians compromised 23% of the electorate...

    Hedges delivered talking points about "the assault on the middle class" and the "Christian totalitarian state". Not a surprise, given his affiliation with The Nation, Democracy Now, and other far-left outfits. Of course, the discredted sports guy completely hid his politics from the viewers. No point in spoiling propaganda with truth.

    #2: the Colorado high school tragedy (recycled video from NBC), Naomi Campbell, Roger Ailes (and his "Ministry of Truth")--this last with KO trumpeting how in his specialized "key demo" MSNBC beat Fox and the rest at midnight. Midnight! What key demo was he using, vampires? Left unreported was the fact that his witching hour total audience is still way below that of the competition. #1: fake comedian journalist Borat at the White House.

    MADMAN

    More pimping of Keith's book the book that bears Keith's name was again the lead-in to the Media Matters Minute. He got in a slam at the New York Post (again), and picked as "worst person" radio talk show host Marc Williams. Why? Because George Soros and David Brock told him to. "Monkey" Olbermann then went on to berate, apparently, Dan Abrams for permitting conservative Williams to appear on his network. He thinks every hour on A-Mess-NBC should be just like The Hour of Spin! Look for the free publicity video of brave, courageous Olby to appear on Media Matters within the next 24 hours.

    OLBY

    Given that KO found a way to mention again his white powder scare, while slamming the New York Post for its flippant treatment of same, there was a curious dog that did not bark tonight. Why did Herr Olbermann not report on the suspicious envelope full of white powder sent to the office of Sen John Cornyn? He was certainly vocal about such stunts yesterday. And if the Post handled it all in an unserious fashion, what of the Democratic Underground, where they "joked" that with luck there would be no Cipro to treat the Senator, suggested that it was probably his cocaine, and accused Republicans of setting the whole incident up. Where was Keith Olbermann's righteous indignation about treating a "terroristic threat" with such impudent scorn? He was totally silent on this. And before some Olbypologists asks why KO should speak out on what appears on DU, keep this in mind. He advertises the "worst person" book on just a handful of carefully selected sites, including DailyKos, Talking Points Memo, and...Democratic Underground. "Monkey" Olbermann has decided this is a forum that he is proud to associate himself with. So let's hear it, KO. We're waiting for you to blast them like you blasted the Post. And remove all advertising from their site. Yeah, yeah, it'll be a long wait.

    NAME

    Speaking of his book the book that bears his name, Monkey Man was pimping it again tonight. Yep, it's down to #74 on amazon. Mr Bill's is still in the top ten (#8). And in case you're wondering why the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann cited Neilsen numbers from the wee small hours of the morning, but not primetime, it may because at 8:00 pm he was back in fourth place again. Even worse, in that same "key demo" he was celebrating, Countdown finished fifth. He even lost to a rerun of Deal or No Deal on CNBC. Yikes! Time to have his writers whip up another special comment for sure. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 4 [GUARDED].

    Olberverse...

    Newsbusters: He proceeded to seriously tout as meaningful how, in the 25 to 54 years-old demographic, the midnight EDT repeat airing of Countdown the night before beat FNC's re-run of Brit Hume's show -- by a bare 16,000.

    ICN: Olberman Watch has a point. Unless MSNBC wants to only count ratings for repeats (though it was primetime on the West Coast), this amounts to damning with faint praise.

    Hot Air: Keith spun the ratings as best he could tonight, to the great amusement of Johnny Dollar and Spruiell, who has video.

    186k Per Second: It is absolutely hilarious that Olbermann was beaten by a Howie Mandell - Deal or no Deal re-run!

    National Review: Tonight, Keith Olbermann tried desperately to convince his viewers that they are not alone. He had to dig deep to do so, but he managed to find a time slot in which he wasn't completely dominated by Fox News — 12 a.m. ET.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (303) | | View blog reactions

    303 Comments

    Jesus Camp is just another reason I am glad to call myself an athiest. It would be a good idea to drop a piece of heavy artillery on that church.

    Well, Olby's ratings honeymoon (out of last place) is over. He didn't finish fourth - he finished fifth! Thanks, Howie Mandel!

    http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2006/09/28/wednesdays-ratings/#more-3400

    ROFL...

    5th Place...

    That would be last.

    So now we can call KO a loser.

    :)

    the libs go after Jesus camps yet have no problem with homosexuality being endorsed and taught in public schools. your tax dollars at work !

    Yup, he got whooped by a game show. Maybe Olby should consider being a game show host.

    You dummies... That dumb game show gets better ratings than all the shows against it.. It really is time for you folks to off yourself.

    O'Lielly, you are hostile and violent. Get help.

    I despise Keith Olbermann!

    Riverdog.... yes here is to hoping that gays stay in the closet and marry your daughters or sons. It would be a far better idea to tell minorities and gays that they should brand themselves with a giant G on their chest. I try to be stupid on this site so I can be on a level base with you, but the problem is even the most insidious, arcane comment I can make are never dumber than the bullshit you post.

    When I caught on to Olbys stupidity (actually watched his show) I never saw anything like it. Has anyone in history so shamelessly praised themselves for exiting last place. He is an ass beyond any comparison. How he has a television program is beyond me. Then again the circus does well year round.

    I applaud Clay Aiken for keeping his sexuality to himself. More homos should follow his lead!

    The 'males' on this site sure are obsessed with homosexuality! I suspect that many are self loathing closeted homosexuals, a la Jeff Gannon - one of their heroes.

    Obsessed with homosexuality? Just talking about it pall, have any other subjects?

    Count... Was it you or your pa who owned the slaves ? Yes make them stay in the closet... we all know that all gays act like Little Richard and Richard Simmons. I am suprised you inbreds have electricity.
    Count shouldn't we inprison women who are breast feeding in public, I mean the indecency is appalling,, right ?

    Another glowing recommendation for KO and Countdown:

    "It's getting more and more clear that the only reason to watch MSNBC at all is for Countdown With Keith Olbermann, which has quickly become Must-See television."

    YV Squad Sept 28

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/09/28/another-bad-decision-by-msnbc/

    pall ? Like the baseball pitcher Donn Pall ?

    I don't care how the gays act. But I don't go around heralding my heterosexuality. What your preferences are is your own business feel free to keep it that way, thats all.

    AWOLBUSH, nothing has helped CD's anemic ratings. This review won't either.

    Borat is a fictional goof... the only problem is that this piece of shit president is not fictional, and goof is too nice of a turn to use for the miserable POS POTUS

    Borat is a fictional goof... the only problem is that this piece of shit president is not fictional, and goof is too nice of a turn to use for the miserable POS POTUS

    I wonder how much the democratic party is paying the olbylunatic to get their message otu. Maybe olbyloon is getting paid in Klinton dollars.

    Count,, outside of those ridicolous gay parade parades where do gays flaunt their sexuality.

    Hey Count...

    Are you a 'pitcher' or a 'catcher' ?

    more likely

    A Swittchhitter !

    Put a cork in it, Shirely!

    We come here to talk politics, not your sexual prefrerences!

    awol what ere you talking about some kind of gay code? you seem to know that kind of terminology REAL well. Pandering to your base?
    I see that O'lie is teribly upset so I must have hit a nerve with him too. still mad at not being able to "marry" your boyfrind?

    Baseball is lame, gay talk has an element of politics (plus I didn't start the conversation), and whos Shirley.

    Baseball is lame, gay talk has an element of politics (plus I didn't start the conversation), and whos Shirley.

    Thise kids at Jesus Camp should go the way of Jonestown and drink the flavor-aid so they will not reproduce.

    Baseball is lame, gay talk has an element of politics (plus I didn't start the conversation), and whos Shirley.

    Thise kids at Jesus Camp should go the way of Jonestown and drink the flavor-aid so they will not reproduce.

    Monica Navatny is kind of hot!

    Riverdog.. nah you are not worth the shit I step on when I walk through a church.

    Hate speech about gays? Sounds like you, O'Lielly.

    Who ever you are ANON.. listen I am not gay, but I have been called worse by far better people than you so ask me if I give a flying f...

    awol what ere you talking about some kind of gay code? you seem to know that kind of terminology REAL well. Pandering to your base?
    I see that O'lie is teribly upset so I must have hit a nerve with him too. still mad at not being able to "marry" your boyfrind?

    Yup, that hit a nerve with O'Lielly. But judging from your hostile comments, he is easily provoked.

    his hostile comments

    countdown wins at midnight.

    The far left wing homosexual agenda is goig fater religiosu folks again.They worry about "Jesus camp" but make no metion of the ultra liberal democratic supporting National Education Association, the teachers union. Gee maybe people are gettign upset that the homosexual agenda is being forced upon their children in public schools. In Massachussetts they arrest parents that try to question things like this. Yet Jesus camps are the problem?
    o'lie the way you talk you sound like flaming twit to me. What church do you go to the reform church of liberal stupidity? Keep telling yourself you are normal O'lie maybe someday you'll believe it but I never will.

    From Rivermutt....

    The far left wing homosexual agenda is goig fater religiosu folks again... Rivermutt.. the face of today's republican party.

    Post the midnight numbers, Codas. Funny, but the popular cable news web sites don't post those numbers. This will give you adequate time to conjure them up now.

    "What church do you go to the reform church of liberal stupidity?

    Wow! Y'know, Riverdog, if the education system failed me even half as much as it's obviously failed you, I'd probably be obsessed with sex and resent anyone qualified to teach, too.

    Go study for your weekly urine test, son. Maybe someday you'll pass without waxing your pole so frantically.

    This Borat thing is idiotic. Right up Olby's alley.

    "What church do you go to the reform church of liberal stupidity? "

    Wow! Y'know, Riverdog, if the education system failed me even half as much as it's obviously failed you, I'd probably be obsessed with sex and resent anyone qualified to teach, too.

    Go study for your weekly urine test, son. Maybe someday you'll pass without waxing your pole so frantically.

    Is anyone surprised that O'Lielly is an atheist?

    To post midnight ratings is hysterically reaching.... he barely won with his rerun airing at 9 in California- the mecca for liberals. Why don't they run his crappy propaganda not-news show first at 4:00 am so he can really get a gap in the rating comparisons. And any of you KO apologists that can't see him reaching with that bizarre rating triumph really are doped up on liberal koolaid

    Borat is hilarious as was the entire run of Da Ali G show.. lighten up... Oh and Jackass Two is funny as hell as well.

    I love being doped up on liberal koolaid. It's fun and it feels good. If the little boys and girls can get all highed up and what they think is Jesus, why can't I get stoned on koolaid.

    I see the homo crusaders are "out" in force tonight. O'lie you should be more worried about studying for your AIDS test. That's all the left wingnuts got - they wantr their gay "marriage".
    hey Philadelphia now even has celebrate homo hisitory month.
    maybe you should wipe you chin O'lie and go march in your flaming fag suit.
    "listen I am not gay, but I have been called worse" says Olie-boy.
    How come you are posting here O'lie? no NAMBLA meeting with olby tonight?
    "listen I am not gay" who are you trying to convince O'lie yourself. you can go back to your closet now and take your little friends with you.

    codas is there no higher power?

    I bet all these homophobic guys dream about getting in the middle of two lesbians. I know I do! If you don't, your queer. and that makes me what you all are. A hypocrite.

    and if not than is there no such thing as morals?

    and if not than is there no such thing as morals?

    codas is there no higher power?

    Posted by: Count at September 28, 2006 09:13 PM

    Without a doubt there is in my mind.

    But no Jesus? Or am I misinterpreting your post?

    But no Jesus? Or am I misinterpreting your post?

    aw ain;t that cute calling someone a homophobe?? Yeah like normal heterosexual people are the ones with the problem right? You leftard homofascists love to demonize normal folks . the suffix "phobe" implies fear of. Nobody is "afraid"of homos we just don't like them and their silly limp wristed efforts to normalize themselves by saying the they are married.
    maybe you fagtards can get the Bible listed as hate speech next and arrest everybody that disagrees with your politically correct ideology.

    Count... Was it you or your pa who owned the slaves ? Yes make them stay in the closet... we all know that all gays act like Little Richard and Richard Simmons. I am suprised you inbreds have electricity.
    Count shouldn't we inprison women who are breast feeding in public, I mean the indecency is appalling,, right ?

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at September 28, 2006 08:21 PM

    Your a fool. You must be twelve. You believe everything the MSM feeds you. How bout some proof conservatives/Republicans are racist or homophobes? Heres proof Dems are. Robert Byrd Democrat from West Virginia a member of the KKK, a grand kleagle no less. You don't become that by being a slacker. You gotta hang some blacks to get that kinda promotion.

    The drug addicts over at the DUmp are claiming Douchebag won some key rating segment last night...any clue what they are referring to or is this just some method they use to share their bong?

    I don't know how they are trying to spin the train wreck known as Olby's ratings. It must make them feel better about themselves. Olby wins a key demo at 3 a.m., competing against the Indian head test pattern...

    Or is that Native American?

    He came in DEAD LAST in the ratings last night.

    From Inside Cable News:

    8PM - P2+ (25-54)
    O’Reilly Factor - 1,988,000 viewers (419,000)
    Paula Zahn Now - 646,000 viewers (164,000)
    Olbermann - 479,000 viewers (157,000)
    Deal or No Deal - 495,000 viewers (224,000)
    Nancy Grace - 677,000 viewers (304,000)

    So I guess his "victory" was in coming dead-last in the ratings. Or the DUmmies are very bad at math. Or are on some very good drugs. Or all of the above. Really, you can't make this stuff up.

    And might I point out that to my knowledge, the ratings aren't available for the replays anywhere on line.

    I've never seen them posted, Brandon.

    >

    If anyone is an expert jackass, O'Lielly, it's you based on your inane comments.

    5th place? 5th place? a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

    He got beat by a Howie Mandell rerun, lol lol lol!!!!!

    No wonder why the Zombieloons are going off the wall. 5th place! a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

    What the hell was that site TV squad? It should be TV SQUAT!!! Cause Meltdown laid a big giant dump last night! a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!

    Let's see go after O'Reilly. Nope that doesn't work.

    Let's go after Fox News. Nope that doesn't work.

    What is it? 82% of people believe in God? Yeah, thats it! Lets reach deep into the tired old lib playbook and go after religious groups. Maybe the crackpot Rosie crowd will watch us? Yeah those religious camps, look out! Hey, want to tell me when and where in the movie (Jesus Camp) do the parents send their kids out with bombs strapped to their waist.

    Well Bill O'Reilly, you know. The guy with number one news show on cable. Not the one in.....5th place!!!!! A ha ha ha ha ha ha! Well Bill is in California. tonight he was going to be at a Barnes And Noble signing 700 books! I wonder if Chicken Little Keith will fly out to show up tomorrow on Leno's show?

    More people would rather watch a rerun of a gameshow than then watch, Chicken Little Keith "The Merchant Of Stupidity" calling out people on his show. His thirsty Zombieloons lapping up whatever he has to say! Drink! Drink the Kool-Aid Zombieloons!!! But when it comes time for Keith to debate? He runs back into the Henhouse for he is Chicken Little Keith! The man with the 5th place show!!!!

    Special! Special! To Zombieloons!! A Fed-Ex truck is driving up the street. It must have "The Karl Rove Indictments" in it!!! The guy from truthout said they would be here!!!!!!!! Opps! oh it's really a Mr. Softey Truck. Ice Cream anybody?

    Hey! you know what a 5th place news show means? It means you zombieloons follow a L.O.S.E.R.!!!!! A certified LOSER! A LOSER at CNN. A LOSER at ESPN. A LOSER at FOX. And now a LOSER at MSLSD!!!!

    Gee and I thought those new dopey camera angles would work. Nah! Whatever way you look at it. S**t looks like S**t!!!!!!

    5th place. Geraldo Rivera laughs at you!!!!

    Jeanine Pirro just chimed in. Yeah, She said hey! My campain and life in general might suck but at least I'm not Keith Olbermann! The man with the 5th place show!!!!!!!

    A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Was Deal or No Deal a rerun? LOL!

    CNBC? Yeah! had to be a rerun!

    I have'nt heard such stupidity since my last slumber party way over 50 yrs ago. Back then the big topic WAS: Should you let a guy kiss you on the 2nd or 3rd date.

    Geeesssh! Would you babies go get your mommas and take your bottles to bed. The grownups would like to talk now.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Hey was that Joe Scarborough pulling better numbers then Olby in the demos last night? Remember when the zombieloons use to crow about THE DEMO'S?

    Nice post Puck, humorous. Hey keith the home shopping network called and said they want their ratings back.

    KO's a cellar dweller. Figures. His opinions are in the minority in viewership and with most Americans. With friends like DU who needs enemies?

    Joe Liebermann up by 10% points in latest poll. Thats because the Lefties are against him. Just like it pushed Bush over the top. Keep talking KO your better friend of Repubs than Michael Moore.

    Hey keith mike moore called and said he wants his dick head back.

    Not only did Scarborough beat him last night, so did one of the documentaries in the 10-12am slot. So Olby comes in dead last in the ratings and what does he do? Pull some obscure ratings numbers that no one can verify from some alternate time slot to claim he came in first. Again, you can't make this stuff up.

    Brandon said: "you can't make this stuff up"

    Sure you can- Keith does EVERY NIGHT!

    I cant even stomach the show enough to watch it but does he really say that he is on top of the ratings and if so is he really last? and if so does he say where he is getting these numbers? Because really you cant make this stuff up!!!

    Count, I switched over during a BOR commercial- he was smugly claiming that he was NUMBER ONE in the coveted 12am/West Coast/24-34 demo. Or something like that.

    He even challeged Roger Ailes to "watch out" 'cause he was such a threat to Fox's ratings in cable news... unreal.

    Damn it count don't get the Gaystapo started..By their non-logic you are either "on the team", "jealous" or a bible thumping bigot. The fact that most of us are sick of their parades, and attempts to file lawsuits against anyone that doesn't promote the "Munroe Doctrine" is irrelevant.

    That is hilarious, and ridiculious how does anyone brag about being number one at 12am/west coast thats 2 and three a.m. away from the left coast. Hey keith rosie called she wants you to father her next son.

    That is hilarious, and ridiculious how does anyone brag about being number one at 12am/west coast thats 2 and three a.m. away from the left coast. Hey keith rosie called she wants you to father her next son.

    History lesson:

    Tourist Killings in Egypt, November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded.

    No Aid No Comfort!!!

    Hey O'Liely, why does the left get upset about Jesus camp, but they don't get mad when Muslims have similiar camps in Michigan.
    The Stalinists hate every religion except Islam, why is that?

    Last night O'Reilly took on James Carville and Paul Begala about the Wallace/Clinton interview..think KO would ever debate two Conservatives let alone one?

    The way Keith hasd been going as of late this is getting further and further away from parody and closer and closer to prognostication.

    O-Lie and AHOL BUSH are being strangely silent...
    could that be because:

    a) Krazy Keith is DEAD LAST (again)?
    b) BORs book is out-selling his 20 to 1?'
    c) Their views are in the vast MINORITY of Americans?
    d) All of the above

    Hey O'Liely, why does the left get upset about Jesus camp, but they don't get mad when Muslims have similiar camps in Michigan.
    The Stalinists hate every religion except Islam, why is that?

    No you can't make this stuff up, it's that bad...I tried to watch tonite, had to turn the channel. I bet even moderate democrats are driven away by that trainwreck. I had to laugh at his "media ratings coup" the midnight demo....Bwaaaahaaahahahaah

    Hey keith i just received a call from the GOP, they said dont get your power dump hour dropped before the next election. We need your boost.

    No you can't make this stuff up, it's that bad...I tried to watch tonite, had to turn the channel. I bet even moderate democrats are driven away by that trainwreck. I had to laugh at his "media ratings coup" the midnight demo....Bwaaaahaaahahahaah

    Hey keith i just received a call from the GOP, they said dont get your power dump hour dropped before the next election. We need your boost.

    Hasn't Good Morning America been running a series about this "Jesus Camp"?

    As always, great to see Countdown is beating all other networks in getting the scoop on a new story....

    Little Richard is Gay?

    Yeah why do lefties hate the peaceful religion of Christianity? Because they vote. And they vote overwhelmingly Republican. Liberalism is a death cult....abortion, Schiavo.

    GW Bush keep lowering gas prices, play the abortion card and keep Dems out of power!!!!!!!!

    You have got to check out the site linked to John @ 10.26PM.

    I haven't laughed this hard in years. It is a gem!

    I've got to go. I can't stop laughing.

    THANK YOU John. I swear, I haven't laughed this hard since my husband died.

    I leave this site a happy woman.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    The scary part is that it sounds exactly like an Olbermann-penned special commentary. Okay, that's not true. It's 100x funnier than anything Olbermann could write ever.

    I appologize in advance if this post is tough for some of you to understand because it doesn't contain enough spelling or grammatical errors.

    You people that see nothing wrong with Jesus camp really worry me. Watching eight year olds speak in tongues, worship pictures of Bush, and writhe around on the floor is just plain SICK. To say its normal is a lie, and to compare it to anything else so that it looks less insane is misleading. The adults in charge are brainwashing the youth and deserve to rot in hell themselves. If you don't see something creepy about the whole story then you're probably a little creepy yourself.

    I am a catholic, and the whole direction of the ultra-religious crowd is SCARY. Its just one example after another of kooks who think they know what is best for everyone.

    Funny, the people that expect everyone to accommodate these looney-tunes are the same ones that bash so many other types of lifestyles. And do you all REALLY think that there is no immoral behavior within your religous communities? PLEASE. Really tragic hypocrisy if you ask me.

    BTW, I really don't think it makes one bit of difference what any of you hillbillies think of Count Down or its ratings. The same way Michael Savage's or Rush Limbaugh's show or ratings don't matter to any normal person. These shows don't need to be #1 in their slots. They are serving a purpose to the fans of the show. They give like-minded people a voice. I guess they also give losers with an internet connection and a lot of time on their hands a purpose as well.

    More people used to watch wrestling on TV than Hill St. Blues. Does that automatically make rasslin' better? Maybe to you hicks.

    Good night all. Don't forget the flashlight and slippers if you need to use the bathroom tonight.

    All i need to know is michael jacksons thriller album set records in sales. Does this make it the greatest record ever made. No way. Being popular doesn't make you good. Substance matters.

    The Truth,

    Read up on some of the icky-poo...democracy destroying..... effects of John Wesley, his revival movement...and the....emotive... behavior of his congregation....

    It's CHILLING in its TOLITARIAN effects on society.... Damn those Methodists!

    the Truth said,
    You people that see nothing wrong with Jesus camp really worry me. Watching eight year olds speak in tongues, worship pictures of Bush, and writhe around on the floor is just plain SICK.

    You better believe it.Every parent brain washes their child to a certain point but to allow a kid to be sucked into lets face it, a cult is sick.

    MEMO FROM OLBERMANN TERROR INVESTIGATION CRIME LAB:


    The news of a(As uberman put it the "right wing")conspiracy to silence the most blatantly biased pundit on cable tv shocked me to the core. What is free speech after all without someone to submit it to abuses not seen outside of "family night" at the ol' Crosby place(Bing or David you may ask? it really is your choice)? The way El Naranja quotes people and documents out of context in that Pravda-esque style of his never fails to bemuse. I especially love his pre-processed "I’m mad as hell and I'm not going to take it" moments for the whole spectacle of it. One has to wonder if he studied under William Shatner for his acting technique.

    Needless to say Olbermoehre's show to me is a form of guilty entertainment like Green Acres, or more aptly professional wrestling(hey wow I must be an idiot like the "truth" says) but with a political theme. With these truths being self-evident, I ask unto you all "HOW DARE ANYONE attempt to snuff out the mighty roadflare of pseudo-journalism with a lethal dose of powdered soap!?!?!?!?" This week will indeed live for sometime to come in infamy. So it is while riding this tumultuous wave of emotion and determination that I have decided to take justice unto mine own unworthy hands by finding and brutally whooping the unholy horse puckey out of these cowardly collaborators and squelch their devious aims once and for all.


    From my newly built command center/crime lab in my basement I have so far researched a number of suspects in the short 26 hour period since I have been on the case. They are as follows:

    Suspect 1. : ANYONE that knows, worked with or watched Keith Olbermann.

    Was it Rich Eisen, Chris Berman, maybe his 7th grade shop teacher was involved? Did he fill ex-associate Kenny Mayne with such bloodlust that the enraged sportscaster finally thought" S.O.B has gotta die"!!!!??? The possibilities are indeed endless . I plan to watch Sportscenter tonight for signs of irregular behavior.


    Suspect 2: One OTTO ORANGE, mascot for Syracuse University

    According to "expert sources"(a blatant Olberism), The disgruntled university mascot has perceived the Orange tinted milquetoast broadcaster as a threat to his livelihood for sometime now. These same "expert sources" are said to have heard rumors that OTTO once slurred angrily "Ey' I've been doin' dis for years now!! They owe me!! I'll kill that F###ing scab Olbermann before I let him take my #$%& job!!."

    Suspect 3: Professor Plum:

    Smug, moustached professor is still angry that he got bumped for Michael Musto.

    Suspect 4: Proctor and Gamble

    Quite possibly my strongest suspect as they’ve been implicated in this sort of thing before. You get a neat little blue colored package in the mail that says "Free Sample".. "Jackpot!!!" you think to yourself as you wonder if it's candy or maybe a snack cake..But unlike the side of the box says there is absolutely nothing to "CHEER" about when you rip the box open only to be covered in a white powdery biohazard nightmare..Oh yes I may only be able to imagine the horror that Carotene Keith faced that day, but I am still able to enact justice for Mr. Olberaffe.. And if you are reading this and are somehow responsible for this Alan G. Lafley(CEO Proctor and Gamble) , I'll be on you like cow on horse!!! comprende?

    http://www.brightstarindustries.com/admin/images/thumbnail_images/120Lcheers.jpg

    If perchance any of you are able to locate any other suspects please inform me via post.

    My choice for suspect number one is a sick bastard who can't take hearing the truth about his demented leaders.

    Coda,

    Some people think that facing in a certain direction.....getting down on one's knees....bowing rapidly up and down repeatedly....while chanting prayers is ...a bit emotional.... but Muslims parents are rather keen on their children doing just that...


    Mr. Codas,

    You are suggesting Senor Arancia did this to himself?! Nonsense sir.. He has the 5th rated show for his timeslot..he doesn't need the publicity.

    One of the things that bothered me most about that clip was them saying if the muslims can be soldiers for their caude why can't we? And we have the truth. So they say. I am sick of the "people of faith" vs. the rest of the world argument. I am an eastern rite catholic. I don't believe what the evengelicals believe any more than I would believe in scientology. That's why we need to be careful in this country not to wrap our flag in our religion. Let them believe whatever, but if they start trying to control shit, I'll be a soldier too.

    Johnny,

    Are you actually saying that NO innocent American citizen will ever be mistakenly detained as an enemy combatant? I just want to make sure that I understand you correctly.

    Keith, also, failed to mention that it was Arlen Specter that offered the amendment to strike the provision regarding habeas review. I guess he didn't want to give that credit to a Republican.

    Even the Fox News poll shows Americans blame Bush more than Clinton for 9/11 and want Democrats to win control of Congress.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216299,00.html

    coda,

    You mean as long as they keep their religious dictims within stained glass you're fine... well, that's nice of you.

    Of course historically religious folks have not done that...and we can be grateful for the Abolitionist movement...for one...that they didn't.

    It's equating speaking in tongues and a decidedly reluctant attitude towards signing on to certain modern mores ...with being a member of a cult or a terrorist....that makes for the sort of culture warrior (you say you must be) who nonsensically implies that pre-1964 America...with all its flaws...was some sort of theocracy...

    Lighten up about Jesus camp. It looks just like the revival retreats that I was taken to 25 years ago. While I am still a Christian, I am not an evangelical (although members of my family still are) and have never been a Republican. Some kids do grow up to think for themselves.

    It's equating speaking in tongues and a decidedly reluctant attitude towards signing on to certain modern mores ...with being a member of a cult or a terrorist....that makes for the sort of culture warrior (you say you must be) who nonsensically implies that pre-1964 America...with all its flaws...was some sort of theocracy...Posted by: Cecelia at September 29, 2006 12:45 AM

    I'm not implying anything other than I think that the whole idea of christian wariors is crazy. I believe in Christ. I want to spend the rest of my life trying to understand who and what he was without having him drilled down my throat. What I'm saying is these people believe what they want the way they see it, but I know that they don't accept my Catholic faith as even Christian. They are not wariors " i know i am misspelling that" for Christ, They are being manipulated by people who have a political agenda.


    It's equating speaking in tongues and a decidedly reluctant attitude towards signing on to certain modern mores ...with being a member of a cult or a terrorist....that makes for the sort of culture warrior (you say you must be) who nonsensically implies that pre-1964 America...with all its flaws...was some sort of theocracy...Posted by: Cecelia at September 29, 2006 12:45 AM

    I'm not implying anything other than I think that the whole idea of christian wariors is crazy. I believe in Christ. I want to spend the rest of my life trying to understand who and what he was without having him drilled down my throat. What I'm saying is these people believe what they want the way they see it, but I know that they don't accept my Catholic faith as even Christian. They are not wariors " i know i am misspelling that" for Christ, They are being manipulated by people who have a political agenda.


    I am much more afraid of the politically correct bullshit that is being taught in taxpayer funded schools in this country than a few kids going to Jesus camps. What we need in this country is separation of school and state .
    Do you liberals want all politicians to take an oath of atheism before they can get elected to office?
    What's next? banning the Bible because it contains what you percieve to be hate speech, maybe arresting and imprisoning all the religious leaders that speak out against homosexuality and abortion?
    Maybe we can take the European Union's lead . Kids can't wear a crucifix in school but the muslims can have a special room and time set aside for their prayers. You can't print pictures of Mohammed but that skank Madonna can do her "show" on a cross with a crown of thorns and public funds pay for "art" ridiculing Christianity in the most vile of terms. There will be no Christmas celbrated in schools but we can laughably have a gay "pride" month is schools. Heather can have two mommies but she is expelled for praying and wearing a cross. People pay property taxes in ridiculous amounts only to have their kids be sent to schools where the values of their parents is ridiculed and made impermissible. And you have the audacity to call US zealots?? You liberals are more hysterical than any tent preacher or TV Evangelist. If their can be no religion is schools then lets get rid of the religion of liberalism first. Lets teach kids academics not politcal correctness. Little Johnny may not be able to do math but he sure knows homophobia when he see it right?
    If any of you left wing morons could read history you would know that this country was founded by people fleeing religious persecution in Europe. Now you left wing zealots are persectuing religion here in America. The Costitution says that there is freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion.

    I love how Olby slips in his cute little comment regarding the Jesus Camp leader's statement that "all parents brainwash their children." Yes, it's called "values." Good or bad, we pass our values on to our kids. Olby's retort was something to the effect of "and that means her parents brainwashed her." Well, if you mean "raised" her, then yes, Keith, I guess they did. This might come as a surprise to you far left secular humanists, but some in America still beleive in passing on *our own* values to our children. In Keith's eye's this is "brainwashing." When liberal high school teachers and college humanities professors do it, it's called "education."

    "What I'm saying is these people believe what they want the way they see it, but I know that they don't accept my Catholic faith as even Christian. They are not wariors " i know i am misspelling that" for Christ, They are being manipulated by people who have a political agenda."


    Actually, "these people" are in your midst. There is a large charismatic movement (fully endorsed by the last two popes....) within the Catholic Church.

    For the most part modern charismatic evangelicals are not at all anti-Catholic and devoutly agree with traditional Church teaching.

    However...the same cannot be said for some liberals....Catholic and otherwise...

    Which part of Jesus message states that we need to wear crucifixes and rally against homo's and such. Do you need permission to love your neighbor? Feed the hungry? Clothe the naked? Did he say takeover the govenment? The so called Christian right feels so oppresed. Is this why Jesus said "You seek a pretext in order to break away from sound judgement. In other words, always an excuse to not do the right thing. The right thing is to love God and love your neighbor isn't it? All that other shit is an excuse.

    Wow, what a bunch of fascist freepers. Hope Mr. Cock's is paying attention to his calendar.

    Coda,

    If by "rallying against gays" you mean rallying against revolutionizing traditional marriage laws in this country...you have a formulation that's a little more complex than what you're suggesting...and you have people a bit more complex than cartoon characters...as well...

    For the most part modern charismatic evangelicals are not at all anti-Catholic and devoutly agree with traditional Church teaching.

    However...the same cannot be said for some liberals....Catholic and otherwise...


    trust me, i know some of them. They accept Catholics only if we don't believe in half of what our church teaches. If a liberal believes in love your neighbor it's good enough for me.

    There is so much pain and sadness in this world. Why is Gay marriage so important? I am married to a young womwn, I wouldn't have it anyother way for me. "They" are not me.

    Codas you are going to sit there and tell me that there is no concerted effort to remove all religious expression and guidance from America by these politcally correct secular progressives? you either are totally blind or live under a rock.The churches in this country DO help to feed the hugry and help the poor. As a matter of fact Bush has many faith based inititives to add to that. Religious groups have done more to help in impoverished places than the UN has and for far longer back in history too.
    Nobody is forcing anyone to wear a cross around their neck in this country but there are people forcing people to take them off. Liberals love to hate censorship unless it comes to religion and you go ahead and tell me for one minute that God or jesus or allah or moses would approve of the infanticide called abortion, tell me that any of them would accept homosexuality as normal and good.
    Did God say take over the goverment?? As I have stated before how can you separate people fromthe very core of their beliefs and the basis of their law? is that what you want? Do you want folks to take an oath of atheism before they get elected? You want them to pay homage to the god of political correctness before they take office?

    "trust me, i know some of them. They accept Catholics only if we don't believe in half of what our church teaches. If a liberal believes in love your neighbor it's good enough for me."

    And when fellow Catholic and non-Catholics believe in historic Catholic Church teaching....that's NOT good enough for you...if they believe it strongly enough to take a political stand upon it... as your past and current Pope has done.... that's good enough for you... in the sense of accepting some liberal mouthing a platitude like "love your neighbor" as though Jesus meant it as 'anything goes'....

    Coda, arguing that because an issue is unimportant to you...it should not be important to others....despite their beliefs....is not a strong argument...

    go ahead and tell me for one minute that God or jesus or allah or moses would approve of the infanticide called abortion, tell me that any of them would accept homosexuality as normal and good.
    For one, I never said God would approve of abortion, or homosexuality. Do you think God approved of the dog eat dog world of capitalism that we live in. It is always so easy to be against the sin that your not tempted by. I am not a homo or a woman so I can be against them both nice and easy. How about giving up your possesions. How about giving to all who ask of you. That is what Jesus said. I don't do it. Neither does the right wing money worshiping tax cut loving so called christians who are upset because they want to be seen by men as holy when they are not. Then why do they think it's ok that God will overlook their faults and sins but no one elses.

    It is clearly a plan by Olbermann to take his wreck of a show to the far left. His new and frequent use of "right winger" is clear evidence he is targeting the moonbat audience. I thought Dan Abrams was smarter than this? Not to mention having on the moron who says bush is speaking to the Christians in Code?? I see allot of youtube in olby's future with posts o'plenty at kos, du, firedogswamp.
    Olbermann is Air America's Air America!

    Coda,

    So you've assumed that Christian believers who also believe that capitalism is the best economic system...also don't believe in, support, or found private charities and the like?

    You may need examine your bias a bit...

    If I'm not mistaken, and I may be. The first real Christiam community was talked of in the book of acts. They all shared what they had with eachother and if any held back thay were rebuked for it. That doesn't sound like capitalism. We know what it sounds like don't we. As far as charities and giving, yes, I think we do that well in this country. But we also have been selling the idea that if you are poor, you deserve it. And if you are rich, it's because God has approved of you and blessed you. That's not out of the book I read.

    ""If I'm not mistaken, and I may be. The first real Christiam community was talked of in the book of acts. They all shared what they had with eachother and if any held back thay were rebuked for it. That doesn't sound like capitalism. We know what it sounds like don't we. "

    Actually, this was a COMPLETELY voluntary arrangement and non-codified arrangement and there is no evidence that those who did not participate were "rebuked for it".

    The voluntary nature of such an arrangement is evident in scripture. When Ananias and his wife Sapphira sold their property and kept some of the earnings while pretending to lay it all at the apostle's feet, and pretended to lay all of it the apostle's feet, Peter rebuked Ananias saying "why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

    "Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."

    Aninas and Sapphira were under no church or government coersion whatsoever to hand over their property. As Peter states...it was theirs and with their power to do as they wished with it. Their sin was in their false pretense.

    wow...
    "stop the tivo"?
    what a third rate hack!!!
    Rob Cox:a wannabe Rush-baby who couldn't hold KO's jockstrap!
    Dude, you are so lame. Does your mommy know you're writing this garbage?
    BTW, Jesus Christ is rolling in his grave over this "Jesus Camp" nonsense. I didn't know there was internet connection out in the backwaters!
    all this gay bashing and religious righteousness is so petty. You conservative goons really need a hug.
    You guys need to find an island of your own so you can carry on the traditional inbreeding that put you in this earth.morons....

    Coda,

    Well arguing that people who don't equate the current tax system to a religous sacrament is not "out of the book I read" either...but rest assured I follow your line of argument and link your heresy with the whole Catholism or even liberalism....as you have treated evangelism.

    Thank you for being patient with me and answering me by the way.
    Yes. It was Vounteered. It was the right way to live in their view of things. That is exactly what I have been getting at. If a human being wants to follow God, They don't need the government to give them permission. Yes, they may even have to give up their life by an oppressing government. In other words, I don't believe in legestlating Christ into the world. Not only that, but believe it or not, non-christians give to charities too. And love your neighbor means a lot. That means you won't let them sleep out in the street, or go hungry and all that stuff. Liberals seem sometimes to me to want to actually take care of the least among us. Some folks say they love God, but they cou;dn't care less about him if he appeared to them as gang member or a crack head. Do you think that he wouldn't be there? They are the least among us, arent they? In other words, you may be able to tell by now, I don't believe that right wing capitalists are representing Christ at all. That's fine with me. They don't need to as far as I am concerned. But they do use him to take advantage of believers who don't know what Christ taught. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

    Al,

    That majority against the war in Iraq that you often reference is also against gay marriage... I suppose it's pretty convenient to see them all as conservative hillbillies when they don't see things your way...but that doesn't really make them extremists and you Joe Public because you find it comfortable.

    riverdog is soooo closet homosexual. it's OK buddy, you can come out now...hey, you're really in touch with your spriritual side; is it true that God hates fags?
    judging from the abundant misspellings, I'm gonna say riverdog represents the average sub-average IQ of your typical republican.
    at least a dingbat like CC takes the time to spellcheck her nonsense...
    and what the hell is a charismatic evangelical? i've yet to meet an evangelical that's charismatic, much less sane. But I see why it's so easy to take these evangelicals for a ride, taking into account that the whole "speaking in tongues" gibberish makes sense to them. No wonder Hannity makes sense to them!Bush must sound very profound to you guys!
    check this out: blah gooogly gah foogoo tablah koo macaca!
    translation: Olbermann is el diablo...
    PS- Stay the Course!!!

    codas,

    As much as you'd like to think that anyone who criticises the current tax system is telling you to neglect the poor and needy...it isn't really the case now is it? Just as wasn't really the case when you compared a voluntary act of faith with a govt coersed economic system.... "we all know what that sounds like"...

    Too, you can't go out of your way in arguing that its Christ-like when you involuntarily help the poor via your tax dollars...and then argue that this the Christ-like biz is an inappropriate basis for morality...

    I understand your reverence for liberals and their religous sacraments....it the simultaneous argument that they are both and neither...that I can't accept...

    Now that we're officially "The Torture is O-K Country", I wonder how many countries will declare war on America to liberate us? Isn't that one of Bush's evolving rationales for war with Iraq? Saddam was torturing people so we had to stop him, right? Who will stop us? Ah, Total War is the answer.

    Al,

    Actually facing Mecca while praying or abstaining from non-kosher foods doesn't make sense to me...but hey...I'm a giver...it's not in me to take....

    hit_escape,

    I'm horrified that some of them will adopt water-boarding over beheadings or dragging the mutilated bodies of our soldiers throught the streets.

    some people don't want their tax dollars involuntarly going to help the poor, some don't like them blowing arms and legs off of inocent 8 year old girls by accident in countries that we now give our tax dollars to help pay for their poor.

    Nonfactor,

    I'm horrified that some of them may adopt waterboarding for information over beheadings and dragging the mutilated bodies of our soldiers through the streets.

    some people don't want their tax dollars involuntarly going to help the poor, some don't like them blowing arms and legs off of inocent 8 year old girls by accident in countries that we now give our tax dollars to help pay for their poor.>>>

    So how does this help your judgemental screed that you cannot be truly Christian and "tax cut loving"....

    My judgemental screed is what i said. So called christians who care way more about their wallet and their safety, even if it means a few accidental killings of the innocent than they care about the least among us.

    Coda,

    So you're arguing that a political position on the current tax system is more representative of Christ-like altruism than what someone might give privately and voluntarily to others.

    As for your formulation about tolerating a few innocent killings... perhaps those you accuse of being religious hypocrites might suggest you're willing to tolerate many intentional killings....

    I never said your tax dollars were the way to represent christ more than giving on your own. As far as the war, let me put it this way. If I was to play Michael Jordan one on one in a basketball game , I would surely lose. But if I can get him to play chess or something else, I have taken away his advantage. Do you think that "they" are so stupid that they would play the game we want? NO! Lets sink to their level, or maybe just a little above it. That is playing right into their hands. They are taking our money, our military readiness, our national gaurd, our innocence, and exposing divisions in our country. If you think your enemy is stupid and less than human you may finf yourself in a heap of trouble where you least expected it.

    way to go big gay al! help further your gay cause by calling the people who oppose the gay agenda gay! another brilliant strategy by the left wingnuts. yeah you left wingers are soooo smart- how come you keep losing elections then leftard? Ihave yet to meet a liberal that was not a self righteous condescending a--hole . you know like your flaming hero olbyloon.
    I know you just have not got around to calling everybody who opposes you a fag yet right. I this the new progressive strategy? Boy you idiots know how to win. By your eloquent and touching post you must have an IQ of approaching your age which seems to be about 12.You write like you were in about the 5th grade. Wanna bet that my IQ is considerably higher than yours moron? I was just tested again about 4 months ago so either put up or shut up.
    I find it amusing when you leftards use the old inbreeding thing while at the same time defending homos- now THATS funny . inbreeding sounds almost favorable to being a sick fag. and maybe we need to find an island to ship all you homofascists to so we don't have to deal with your flaming AIDS and other sexual diseases.Or at least you all can move to san faggcisco so when it slides off into the sea in the big quake you can at least feed the fish. You do know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah don't you big gay al?

    PS big gay al ya sound a little limp in the wrist and light in the loafers yourself pal. maybe you should get the mental help you so desperateley need maybe someday you can be close to normal. Bring your big weird cousin olyloon with ya too! you two would just make such a cute couple!

    somebody is just way too angry.

    I actually hadn't posted at all on this topic, Cecelia, but since you brought me up. The argument that we should torture because the terrorists do is flat stupid. People are against torture because of what it does to the image of this country.

    Why are some of those on the right in support of torture?

    yes I am angry dammit! I am sick and tired of this pro gay agenda crap. Matthew Shepahard is a gay martyr but nobody mentions the poor kid that was killed just this week by some sick fag in Pennsylvania because he rejected the advannces of some sick homo. Yes I am pissed off paying property taxes to some school district who teaches and glorifies and justifies homosexuality aginst my beliefs and uses MY damn property tax money to do it. I am tired of all this bullshit gay marriage crap. i am tired of seeing slimaballs like olbermann get mouthy and defend these freaks of nature and denigrate some religious people for espousing morality. Hell damn friggin yes I am pissed off royally at shitheads like big gay al implying that I am gay because I am fighting the homosexual agenda. is that their plan for winning? calling all who oppose the homosexual agenda gay?? these people are truly mentally ill- they prove it more every damn day!damnright I am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore from these sicko deviant bastards!!!
    mad, mad. you have no friggin idea.
    but I will push and fight for conseravtives to be elected to office. The harder they push left the harder we will push back to the right. this a war for the moral soul of this contry and we will not give up so easily or at all.
    before all thus crap about gay "marriage" i had never uttered a bad word or had a bad thought about gays. I never even though about them . Then they start with this marriage bullshit and then demonizing anyone who opposed them.Then when they could not get their agenda thru the ballot box they went to some liberal judges who approved spreading their mental illness.Now they are in the schools recruiting our kids! our damn children have become fodder for sexual deviants. Well they do one thing good tho- they help conservatives get elected- The vast majority of good thinking Americans have shut them down at the ballot box and will continue do so. We will shut them down anyway we can.

    Riverdog

    Here is the response you are looking for.. You are frigging nuts.

    J$,

    Can we get a running Olbylie count? You catalogue them every review anyway. Seems he lied at least three times this past show:

    1. Claimed POW's have habeas corpus rights
    2. Claimed the Taliban offered UBL to Bush
    3. Claimed Bishop Wellington Boone spewed vulgar, anti-gay epithets and suggested that the Anti-Christ is homosexual.

    CLINTON: I did not inhale; I did fail

    CLINTON: I did not inhale; I did fail

    One of the reasons the reruns of Olby beat reruns of other shows may lie in the fact that 12PM Eastern is that it's 9PM in California. Maybe the word of his unhinged rants reaches Malibu and Seattle just in time for their primetime. But since Olby won't release the numbers for the live broadcasts, it's as bogus as his "tan".

    Maybe a sports analogy is appropriate for Uberloon:

    Meltdown is like NASCAR: it keeps turning left, eventually hits a brick wall, flames out in spectacular fashion, and is removed from the race. The difference is that the NASCAR can be fixed and won't require psychological treatment.

    Everything about Olbermann is bogus isn't it?

    enow already,

    I'm surprised that you don't have Howard Dean on your list of suspects. After all it's Deans job to spin the once proud Democratic Party into the ground, not Olby's.

    enow already,

    I'm surprised that you don't have Howard Dean on your list of suspects. After all it's Deans job to spin the once proud Democratic Party into the ground, not Olby's.

    Well this is interesting -- from Keith's favorite gossip columnist, Lloyd Grove of the New York Daily News, comes this comment from Dan Rather on the Bill Clinton-Chris Wallace dust-up:

    And the dustup between Bill Clinton and Fox News' Chris Wallace - "What's all the fuss about?" Rather said. "These kind of interviews happen between reporters and politicians all the time. The difference is, it's usually not on camera." He added: "I didn't think Chris Wallace had a smirk - did you?"

    I know Lloyd already has WIPW status. I just wonder if Dan is fixing to join him there on Friday night's "Countdown"?

    It's amazing how stupid Olbermann can be, and his few fans seem to lick it up.

    Seriously, he's touting how his rerun beat another rerun? Just because the unemployed losers from DailyKos are up late at night surfing the Internet looking for conspiracies and happen to have his show on doesn't mean it's becoming popular with the rest of the country.

    And it's laughable that he can take shots at the Humes, when he got all upset that Page Six reported how he freaked out because he got some white powder in the mail. My guess is he was quivering like a little child. It explains why he wasn't on his ESPN Radio show that day, he was probably curled up at home in the fetal position, sobbing like a baby.

    He admitted on ESPN the other day that the best money he ever spent was on a therapist. He should begin spending some more money, because he needs help.

    "If by "rallying against gays" you mean rallying against revolutionizing traditional marriage laws in this country..."

    Actually "traditional marriage laws" did not have to be revolutionized or changed at all in most states for homosexual people to be able to marry and get the legal benefits of marriage. Quite the opposite. New laws (generally referred to as Defense of Marriage Acts) had to be passed to specifically remove this possibility. But the equal protection clause means that anti-homosexual states that do not want to recognize the marriages of pro-homosexual states have to go the federal level to try and prevent or nullify these marriages in these other states.

    That is how it has come to pass that the Republicans, champions of "state's rights" since the "southern strategy," now become the champions of an amendment to the constitution (!) to limit a specific instance of state autonomy. But the common theme here seems to be bigotry votes rather any kind of grand philosophy.

    Where do you stand on gay marriage Cecelia the Republican? To the left of the certifiably insane Republican Riverdog, I hope.

    Hey BlErie,

    The answer is to get the Government out of the marriage business altogether. Why do I have to pay the Government for a "license" to get married? It's just another tax.

    People have gotten used to having the Government waist-deep in their personal business. There are millions of ways to reform the system, but lawyers would fight tooth and nail. After all, they benefit from the system the most (no offence J$).

    You dummies... That dumb game show gets better ratings than all the shows against it.. It really is time for you folks to off yourself.

    Posted way earlier. What?? Did tis person not look at the numbers.
    8PM - P2+ (25-54)
    O’Reilly Factor - 1,988,000 viewers (419,000)
    Paula Zahn Now - 646,000 viewers (164,000)
    Olbermann - 479,000 viewers (157,000)
    Deal or No Deal - 495,000 viewers (224,000)
    Nancy Grace - 677,000 viewers (304,000)
    Better than all the shows it is up against? Hopefully this guy is not an accountant.

    Erie,

    I'm for civil unions for gays. Many of my religious friends and family are not. Since they MUST be called names by those who don't agree with their traditional beliefs ....how bout 'reactionary' instead of idiotic ones that imply they are extremist revolutionaries.

    Actually, I'm very fond of riverdog.

    codas "Lets sink to their level, or maybe just a little above it."

    So true. As Maxwell Smart said "I compared waterboarding and beheading and the difference is that (pinching thumb and index finger together) much"

    Wow...I've been trying to explain "ignorance" to my daughter, but instead have directed her to read this website. Keep up the good work. When she's ready for "bigotry", "homophobia", and "anti-American rhetoric" I'm sure you'll provide a text book example.

    Nonfactor,
    I actually hadn't posted at all on this topic, Cecelia, but since you brought me up. The argument that we should torture because the terrorists do is flat stupid. People are against torture because of what it does to the image of this country.

    Why are some of those on the right in support of torture?
    ------------------------------------------------

    Go ahead and define what toruture is. The easy way out is to say "I oppose torture". The hard question is defining torture. The dems always take the easy way out and attack a position.

    Truthiness,

    oh sure....just let her read up.... in two days we'll have her speaking in tongues...

    You guys are al stupid stupidheads. I have no examples, but you are all stupid 'cause it hurts to think. You have shattered my comfortable ignorant reality, so you are all stupid stupidheads.

    Truthiness wrote:

    "Wow...I've been trying to explain "ignorance" to my daughter, but instead have directed her to read this website."

    Of course you have! A true lefty is unable to define anything. Rather than educating her, you confused her further by sending her to a web site about a leftist hack pseudo-newsman. Way to keep your daughter "ignorant!" When you daughter wants to know where babies come from, will you tell her to go read the Huffington Post?

    Give the definition below to your daughter and stop torturing her -- she has enough problems explaining her wacky mom / dad to her friends as it is:

    ignorance: the lack of knowledge or education
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Oh yeah...more free publicity for Olbyloser's biggest bogeyman:

    FROM: TVNEWSER http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

    "One week later and people are still talking about Bill Clinton ripping Fox News. Fox News boss Roger Ailes is delighted.

    'I would have paid him 100 grand to help us with marketing, just to get a half-hour of his time,' Ailes said by phone Thursday. 'As it turned out, I got a half-hour of his time and he did it for nothing. We're very grateful. ... He's kept us in the news for six days.

    'It's an amazing thing. And in light of that I would extend my hand to ask him to come on as a guest anytime. I would even consider him having a show.'

    Told of this, a Clinton spokesman laughed. 'Can you just say that's my response?' he said..."

    I wouldn't be surprised if Olbytwit mentions Ailes tonight, even doing a twofer this week as WPIW.

    Send your letters here tell him what you think of his garbitch show. However I am proud to say that he represents the democratic party these days. How embarrassing and disgraceful is that!!!

    Show your approval of Keith's Countdown show and commentary:
    1. viewerservices@msnbc.com
    2. letters@msnbc.com
    3. countdown@msnbc.com
    4. KOlbermann@msnbc.com
    5. dabrams@msnbc.com (Dan Abrams is now MSNBC's general manager)"

    Anyone notice the difference in TVNewser's Wednesday numbers and ICN's Wednesday numbers?

    TVN uses "live plus same day DVR/TIVO" data from Nielsen. ICN uses only live data from Nielsen. Or in other words, what's most flattering to his boyfriend, Keith. Anyone notice he had to run a flattering piece today about how Olby came in first in the key demo at 12 midnight (eastern)? Talk about putting liptstick on a pig. If a Fox show had come in dead last, being beat in the demos by a rerun of a game show, it would have been a huge Breaking News item on his website.

    And yep Count, those emails have appeared, word for word at every liberal website out there urging people to support Keith by writing MSNBC and of course, buying his book (usually with a link to it at Amazon).

    I'm reading all this reference to the fact that Keith doesn't have the viewership of fox. Or game shows. That is typical of a population who thinks wrastlin is "cool". That Michael Jackson {at least until recently} is a genius. American Idol is a great show. I could go on, but the truth is that the truth hurts sonetimes and some people just would rather watch a clown show on fox. Or watch somebody paint their face and dance.

    Codas,

    Orange. The face is painted orange.

    Television is a business Codas. You have to sell advertising. You fail to sell advertising, you find yourself with a cash flow problem. Oh wait, NBC/MSNBC/CNBC HAS a cash flow problem and is in the midst of making massive layoffs and there is talk about consolidation of their cable networks. Hmm. Maybe if they dropped shows without ratings and actually put on programs that people watched, they might attract high-dollar ad revenues. But if they did that, they'd have to drop their entire line-up as they are perpetual has-beens in all time slots. Anyway, I'll remind you that Phil Donahue was cancelled at MSNBC and he had higher ratings than Olbermann has ever managed to eek out.

    Wait...American Idol isn't a great show?

    /anxiously awaiting the Taylor Hicks album...and no, I'm not gay....not that there's anything wrong with that...unless you're an evangelical Christian...which I am...I'm so confused...

    I agree with codas because he has no facts and only deals in generalities and hyperbole. You are all stupid.

    Again, codas misses the point....If codas wants to include Olbermann in the population he so easily puts-down, then I'll be ok with that....

    Olbermann himself brings up his own ratings and frequently brings up FOX's decreases in same. Once again, the elitist liberals love to portray themselves superior over everyone else ("Ratings don't matter, my content speaks for itself...blah, blah, blah").

    Just like the Anthrax hoax....Olbermann was, oh so much better than THE POST by NEVER mentioning the kidnapped FOX guys at the (purported) request of Murdock....give me a break!

    I'll agree that MSNBC does not have a lot going for it. Also, I actually used to watch Fox everyday like a bad habit that I couldn't break. They have their "shit" together way more so to speak. They are going to get the ratings. But I stoped watching Fox when the war started and they just marched along like good little soldiers to whatever this administration said. That is not what their function was a few years ago was it. They held another president to account. They and the republicans kept talking about the rule of law. About how Clinton twists word to mean what he wants them to say. Now, their man twists the laws to make them mean what he wants. His words only mean what they mean until he changes the laws. And at this point, people are so used to whats going on that he can do whatever the hell he wants. No accountabilt what so ever. Just rise for the flag salute good soldiers. By the way, if you don't think that they are coming for your precious children when they start a draft, and they will, your wrong.

    Olbermann is an egomaniac. But he knows a criminal when he sees one. So does Stewart. So does Colbert.

    I call the president a criminal, because Olberdouche, Stewart, and Colbert along with moveon.org tell me so. I don't know what specific law he has broken but I will continue do think he has done so because I am an absolute moron.

    Codas, if things get worse and terrorism gets worse and we have to fight Iran or Syria, will it be worth it to fight those wars? Will the sacrifice FINALLY be worth it to the left of this country to support fighting?

    I think Iraq, in all of its difficulty, must be won.....if we withdrawl like in Vietnam, the negative results will be far worse for my child in the decades to come. A draft....it won't work because even the current volunteer armed forces aren't supported by the left in this country. A draft would cause absolute anarchy worse than the late sixties.

    I would be proud if my son volunteered to serve his country. It would be his choice. If it comes down to a draft someday, when he is an adult, I hope his values include loyalty to the idea of freedom and it's defense.

    I believe the U.S. is a force for good in this world and I would not want to live anywhere else.

    I used to work in a verterens resource center. They had a big poster up. It said "Don't tread on me". I agree that America should strive to be a force for good in the world. And that we shouls have a military that is ready for anything if need be. I can't say a specific crime that the president commited. Howerver, do you think that are military is ready for anything right now? I don't. I tell you honestly. I couldn't give a shit about move on, or daily kos etc. I look at things that are obvious like the fact the the president is breaking the bank is he not. Where is all this money going to come from to support our wars. Where are all the bodies going to come from. You know full well that if they do need to, they will have to draft. When they do the shit is gonna hit the fan in this country. Please God give me a leader who has a clever enough mind to win some hearts and minds before he feels like he needs to kill them all for Christ sake!

    codas

    I am exactly like you. I used to watch Fox primarily, as well. I couldn't watch Hannity anymore after the Terri Schiavo deal. O'Reilly was always an authoritarian populist, but his criticism of people who disagree with him have become more disgusting (not to mention, disturbing) over the past couple of years. Shepard Smith is the only one that I can watch and still feel like I'm living in America.

    MSNBC is quite sloppy, but at least Olbermann, Scarborough, and Carlson are interesting. I'd certainly rather watch them than CNN (it puts me to sleep). It is too bad that we can't trust any news source, but that is the world that we live in.

    Yes, Is their any doubt that Fox is pandering to the bully in us all.

    Say Johnny Dollar, I was looking over your post and was confused about a few legal matters in regards to it. Perhaps you could help me?

    >It's a prerequisite when preserving anything that it has to be there in the first >place. In what war did our prisoners ever have habeas corpus rights (the right >to go into civilian courts and demand to be charged or released)? Did our >German or Japanese POWs have that right in WWII? Did our VietNam prisoners >have that right? How exactly can Olby claim to want to preserve a "right" that >has never, in all our history, existed?

    This statement confuses me a little, now I know I’m one of those simpleminded olbyloons with my panties in a knit about how scary unchecked government power is and all. Color me bad I just don’t like authoritarianism.

    But what I am confused about is the supreme court ruling of Rasul v. Bush 542 U.S. 466(2004)

    Now I know us “hate America firsters” are always complaining about how this country is not perfect and how it makes errors from time to time and that reasonable safe guards should be in place to insure the government is not accidentally throwing some poor journalist, who happened to be in Afghanistan at the time of the war, in jail for the rest of his life, with no legal right to demand that someone present a little evidence of a crime or release him. We are silly that way. Some of us of even believe that the cornerstone of our judicial philosophy is that no man be imprisoned unlawfully and that those silly judgamahthingys are just the guys to decide if a person is in jail lawfully or not. KEERAYZEE! So Krazy in fact that we’re slashing prices on all new automobiles as well.

    Also, I am confused on another point. If these people are POWs and not criminals, according to the provisions of the Geneva Convention, they are supposed to be shipped home at the end of the war. Now I know the beauty of having a nebulas, hard to define war on terror, is that you can claim it is going on forever. But since the Taliban is overthrown, a new government setup, and President Bush has declared victory in Afghanistan, then gosh maybe we have broken international law.

    >Stop the tivo again! This bill has nothing to >do with regular Americans. It's >about >detaining combattants during war. How many >times do we have to >explain this to Krazy >Keith?

    Perhaps you could explain it to me because I am still confused? You see I thought the bill gives the military the right to detain anyone designated an “enemy combatant,” (Anyone engaged in hostilities against the United States) indefinitely until hostilities cease? Now I guess I am thinking the definition of “anyone” actually means anyone and could legally include an American. That means any American declared an enemy combatant could rot in jail without the right to demand someone provide some evidence demonstrating that government has a good reason to hold him. Obviously I am confused though What are “Herr Olberman” and I missing here?

    Also even if the government doesn’t go after any of its own citizens I am slightly disturbed about things like the Khalid al-Masri incident when the U.S. kidnapped this guy who had nothing to do with the war on terror and held him for months. I suppose since there is no Habeus Corpus rights the next time we do that and it turns out to be years and years not months we can just say “We’re sorry.” “Our bad.”

    Thousands of people have died at the hands of radical islamic terrorists over the last several decades. A "spike" occurred on 9/11/01 when almost 3,000 civilians were murdered when passenger airlines were used as missles. What else has to happen for some to realize that our enemy is not open to negotiation?

    Win hearts? Since the Israel Olympic hostages were murdered, time and again, talk has occurred, land given up, treaties signed and economic/trade has occurred with the muslim world....where did it get us? More death, more terrorism, more hatred. Ok, let's keep doing that!

    Did we attack moderate muslim countries like Egypt or Jordan, after 9/11.....NO! Iraq was contained but Saddam was not cooperating with UN resolutions. Were there WMD's, no, but a lot of smart people thought there were....So, where does this leave us? Leave Iraq and see victory parades sponsored by Al Queda? Great plan.

    Resolve is needed and I fear less and less of America is ready to commit to defending our country.

    You know Codas... I never fault anyone for being critical and pessimistic
    about the War in Iraq. There's just too much realistic opportunity for both and we're only humnan...

    But it does seem that someone who considers himself to be a person who appreciates the fact that good requires sacrifice.... would at least be able to factor the ideal of freedom from Sadam and the Taliban into a cost analysis....if only for a very... very...very brief time.

    Cato says:

    "but at least Olbermann, Scarborough, and Carlson are interesting."

    Professional wrestling is interesting too, so if that's the criteria, why aren't you watching Smackdown? Wrestling shows also share some of the same production qualities as Meltdown (faux dramatic intonation, self declarations of courage and righteousness, sycophantic stooges (John Dean, Howard Fineman, "Creepy Liar" O"Donnell, Musto, etc.) and dark conspiratorial themes)).

    I guese i kinda agree with Mcain, who I don't trust but who I think said it best when he said something to the effect of it not being about them, but about us. I don't like what we have become. If there were maniacs out there before 911 that want us dead, how many more are there now? If your uncle and his daughter were accidently killed, and you had just lost your arm in a bombing would you be ready for a fight. Don't beleive them when they say that hate us for our freedoms. What could make a human being mad enough to become a suicide that trys to take as many people as they can with them. I will tell you. It's the blood of a relative or money out of your wallet that will create that anger. It's not me blaming America first, it's just a question. What the hell did we do to make these people so angry? I think my humanity requires to ask that question. It's just common sense. Now we are going to snatch people and keep them forever. Sounds like some wicked shit to me.

    Ideal of freedom? Cecelia, we didn't have the ideal of freedom on September 10.

    Am I to understand that as long we are not as bad as Saddam or the Taliban, we are okay? That is a lot of leeway there. What country should we model ourselves after? Singapore? China?

    Right now, there are provisions in the Patriot Act that have only been used for domestic law enforcement rather than fighting terrorism. Why shouldn't I think that future terrorism legislation will be used on us rather than them?

    I don't like to watch wrestling. I like to watch those other things that you mention.

    I, also, like listening to the music of Frank Zappa. Do you? If not, why not?

    By the way JT. I only wish I could get as specific and in detail as you did.

    I accidently cutout some of this so i am posting again.

    Say Johnny Dollar, I was looking over your post and was confused about a few legal matters in regards to it. Perhaps you could help me?

    >It's a prerequisite when preserving anything that it has to be there in the first >place. In what war did our prisoners ever have habeas corpus rights (the right >to go into civilian courts and demand to be charged or released)? Did our >German or Japanese POWs have that right in WWII? Did our VietNam prisoners >have that right? How exactly can Olby claim to want to preserve a "right" that >has never, in all our history, existed?

    This statement confuses me a little, now I know I’m one of those simpleminded olbyloons with my panties in a knit about how scary unchecked government power is and all. Color me bad I just don’t like authoritarianism.

    But what I am confused about is the supreme court ruling of Rasul v. Bush
    542 U.S. 466(2004)

    Now I know us “hate America firsters” are always complaining about how this country is not perfect and how it makes errors from time to time and that reasonable safe guards should be in place to insure the government is not accidentally throwing some poor journalist, who happened to be in Afghanistan at the time of the war, in jail for the rest of his life, with no legal right to demand that someone present a little evidence of a crime or release him. We are silly that way. Some of us of even believe that the cornerstone of our judicial philosophy is that no man be imprisoned unlawfully and that those silly judgamahthingys are just the guys to decide if a person is in jail lawfully or not. KEERAYZEE! So Krazy in fact that we’re slashing prices on all new automobiles as well.

    Also, I am confused on another point. If these people are POWs and not criminals, according to the provisions of the Geneva Convention, they are supposed to be shipped home at the end of the war. Now I know the beauty of having a nebulas, hard to define war on terror, is that you can claim it is going on forever. But since the Taliban is overthrown, a new government setup, and President Bush has declared victory in Afghanistan, then gosh maybe we have broken international law.

    >Stop the tivo again! This bill has nothing to >do with regular Americans. It's >about >detaining combattants during war. How many >times do we have to >explain this to Krazy >Keith?

    Perhaps you could explain it to me because I am still confused? You see I thought the bill gives the military the right to detain anyone designated an “enemy combatant,” (Anyone engaged in hostilities against the United States) indefinitely until hostilities cease? Now I guess I am thinking the definition of “anyone” actually means anyone and could legally include an American. That means any American declared an enemy combatant could rot in jail without the right to demand someone provide some evidence demonstrating that government has a good reason to hold him. Obviously I am confused though What are “Herr Olberman” and I missing here?

    Also even if the government doesn’t go after any of its own citizens I am slightly disturbed about things like the Khalid al-Masri incident when the U.S. kidnapped this guy who had nothing to do with the war on terror and held him for months. I suppose since there is no Habeus Corpus rights the next time we do that and it turns out to be years and years not months we can just say “We’re sorry.” “Our bad.”


    "What the hell did we do to make these people so angry? I think my humanity requires to ask that question. It's just common sense. Now we are going to snatch people and keep them forever. Sounds like some wicked shit to me."


    hmmmm.... your approach towards towards certain religious folks was a bit different last night...

    If only Zappa were alive to see all his nightmares come true. I said it the other day. he was quoted once as saying "if your children ever find out how lame you really were, they'll murder you in your sleep." This applies to to the time we are living in now.

    > That means any American declared an enemy combatant could rot in jail without the right to demand someone provide some evidence demonstrating that government has a good reason to hold him. Obviously I am confused though What are “Herr Olberman” and I missing here?

    I couldn't agree more with you, oh courageous anonymous. You are confused. The bill does not apply to American citizens. Doubtless your confusion stemmed from Olbermann's lie that it does. But that's the purpose of Olbermann Watch. To expose the distortions and lies of the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

    hmmmm.... your approach towards towards certain religious folks was a bit different last night...


    Be more specific.

    "Am I to understand that as long we are not as bad as Saddam or the Taliban, we are okay? That is a lot of leeway there. What country should we model ourselves after? Singapore? China?

    Right now, there are provisions in the Patriot Act that have only been used for domestic law enforcement rather than fighting terrorism. Why shouldn't I think that future terrorism legislation will be used on us rather than them?"


    I won't be able to answer that for you, Cato.

    Meanwhile I hear there are some enclaves in Montana where you might find a friendly ear and a ...safe haven...among the militia members.

    For some reason this part keeps getting ommited. Sorry about the multiple posts. but i keep not getting this tidbit in.

    But what I am confused about is the supreme court ruling of Rasul v. Bush
    542 U.S. 466(2004)

    Coda, oh you know exactly what I mean.

    Spoken just like a card carrying member of the Zionist Trilateral Bildeberg Illuminati! ;)

    Codas, oh you know exactly what I mean.

    No i don't really. Help me understand what you are saying.

    JT,

    You mean this Khalid al-masri.

    In the 1980s, Masri was a member of an armed Muslim organization in Lebanon by the name of Al Tawhid and is supposed to have led a group of 16 combatants. In 1985 Masri came to Germany and he received German citizenship in 1994.... According to the information of investigative authorities, Masri is supposed to have formed part of the milieu of the "Neu-Ulm Multicultural House" that was shut down by the authorities in 2005 and where combatants for the war in Chechnya are supposed to have been recruited and belligerent propaganda distributed. According to the information of Bavarian police officials, Masri served as a "contact to known Islamists". In particular, Masri had connections to Reda Sayam, who is suspected of having direct connections to terrorism....

    On 31 December 2003, Masri left home, allegedly after a marital spat with his wife, a Lebanese woman. He is supposed to have wanted to go to Macedonia for a cheap vacation…. Bavarian authorities took note of his disappearance, assuming that he had possibly left for a crisis region in order to take part in hostilities. Masri's wife did not notify authorities about his disappearance. Instead, soon after her husband's departure, she returned to Lebanon.

    Say there dingleberry I think you missed the post above with my name on it. Given the post is exactly the same as the one you are referencing I thought maybe you would be able to figure it out. I'm sorry. I was wrong.

    Also while we are on the subject of courage. Rasul V Bush you know the one where the supreme court ruled to uphold the habeus Corpus rights of the detainees.

    > That means any American declared an enemy combatant could rot in jail without the right to demand someone provide some evidence demonstrating that government has a good reason to hold him. Obviously I am confused though What are “Herr Olberman” an

    >I couldn't agree more with you, oh courageous >anonymous. You are confused. The bill does not >apply to American citizens. Doubtless your >confusion stemmed from Olbermann's lie that it >does. But that's the purpose of Olbermann >Watch. To expose the distortions and lies of >the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

    I'm still confused though you didn't quite explain to me how "anyone" does not include Americans.

    With regard to Rasul v. Bush,

    There are a number of important questions which the Supreme Court is not considering, as they involve the merits of the case and not the question of whether the courts have jurisdiction. They will likely be handled in a new court case if they win:

    * Whether the incarceration was in fact legal, as the detainees allege their status as enemy combatant was never reviewed, making the Geneva Convention section on enemy combatants inapplicable.
    * Whether due process can be given to the detainees. Johnson v. Eisentrager, in which the Supreme Court's decision to deny a group of Germans Fifth Amendment rights hinged on an independent finding that they were enemy combatants, was the pivot of that discussion. According to the detainees, in this case there was no such finding and therefore the defendants are not legally enemy combatants.

    Could someone please just answer a few of questions for me?

    When exactly will the war in Iraq be over?
    Will it be the job of "future Presidents" to declare this, as Bush has stated?
    Is it wrong to want some sort of idea of what would be considered "complete"?
    If the war does go on for years and years, as many republicans predict, will it REALLY be worth it to those of you who still defend it?
    At what point will it NOT be considered "cutting and running"?
    If you knew the war would go as it has and last as long as it appears it will BEFORE the invasion, would you still defend the decision?
    Are you really comfortable with the post-war planning and lack of definition of objectives?
    Was Iraq REALLY the best place to invade? Is it possible we should have tried dealing with Saudi Arabia instead, since almost ALL of the terrorists came from there?

    Please, any of you that back this President and/or his decision to go to war, please answer some of these questions.
    It seems to me whenever I ask someone who is pro-Iraq war some of these questions they NEVER have any really good answers. I just want to know if there ARE any good answers.

    No Crash, my bad. I meant this guy.

    An innocent German citizen, Khalid El-Masri, whose name resembled Khalid al-Masri's, spent almost five months in a covert CIA interrogation centre in Afghanistan in the early months of 2004 where he was forcibly interrogated and possibly tortured several times. Participating in some of these interrogation sessions was an officer of the German foreign intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst) using the pseudonym "Sam", who has reportedly been identified by al-Masri as Gerhard Lehmann. Lehmann served on the United Nations Mehlis commission into the Rafik Hariri assassination before he was withdrawn in early February 2006, possibly to prevent the repercussions of his identification.

    To a dumd dem,


    You will never get those questions answered. We are left to try to figure out what the heel to do about what the hell they did to this country. And to hope we survive long enough to do something a little more positive before they get us all killed.

    Johnny,

    Yes, the legislation does indicate that it is to apply to non-citizens, however, there are some legal scholars who believe that it is worded in an ambiguous fashion and could be applied in American citizens under the right circumstances.

    In such a case, let me ask you a simple, hypothetical question. Under a Democratic congress, a Democratic senate, and a President Schumer (Calm down, Johnny! Calm down! It's only hypothetical!), are you absolutely confident that this legislation could never be used to detain you indefinitely.

    "Rasul V Bush you know the one where the supreme court ruled to uphold the habeus Corpus rights of the detainees."

    Who you calling dingleberry? Moron.

    The case was just to see if Gitmo was in US court jurisdiction to allow a writ to even be filed. It didn't decide that anyone was held illegally.

    Codas,

    Oh please...you say your emapathy towards Christian beliefs stops at their trying to codify their beliefs... (keep their beliefs codified is more apt).... but you can't help wandering and doing a little introspection....(if introspection could be defined as soul searching your political opponents!!) as to why certain other religious folks would feel threatened enought to hate us....

    You're just too deep, too profound, and too sensitive, Codas.... unless, of course..you're dealing with domestic political opponents...

    Bigot- anybody that disagrees with a liberal.

    > I'm still confused though you didn't quite explain to me how "anyone" does not include Americans.

    "Anyone" does include Americans. But the notion that this law applies to "anyone" is false. American citizens are not included. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    > Rasul V Bush you know the one where the supreme court ruled to uphold the habeus Corpus rights of the detainees.

    What about it? It sought to create a new right for enemy combattants that never existed in our history. The new law would mean that instead of multiple further rulings to sort out all the loose ends, things would go back the way they have been for 200 years. Thus the state of the current law would be made consistent with that of the times of the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, VietNam, etc etc etc.


    >Who you calling dingleberry? Moron.

    That would be you dingleberry.

    >The case was just to see if Gitmo was in US >court jurisdiction to allow a writ to even be >filed. It didn't decide that anyone was held >illegally.

    The supreme court ruled that the detainees have the right to challenge their detention in federal court by habeus Corpus

    A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error. Habeas corpus petitions are usually filed by persons serving prison sentences.

    > are you absolutely confident that this legislation could never be used to detain you indefinitely.

    I am not absolutely confident that the tax code could never be used to bankrupt me. Or that the powers of the police could never be used to beat up an innocent man. Or that the census could never be used to violate privacy.

    There are very few laws that cannot be misused in the wrong hands. That is not an argument for anarchy.

    AL-QAIDA NO. 2 CALLS BUSH FAILURE, LIAR

    Republican Logicians Quick to Act

    CAIRO, EGYPT -- Al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri condemned President Bush in a video statement released Friday, calling him a failure and a liar. "Why don't you tell them how many million citizens of America and its allies you intend to kill in search of the imaginary victory and in breathless pursuit of the mirage towards which you are driving your people's sons in order increase your profits?" al-Zawahri said in a portion of the video released by the Virginia-based IntelCenter. Republican logicians quickly released a statement saying, "Since Al-Qaida's No. 2 man says Bush is a failure and a liar, that means anyone else who says Bush is a failure and a liar -- is also Al-Qaida."




    Johnny,

    I must agree. Of course, I don't look at my definition of liberty as anarchy, but you might.

    I should clarify that I do feel a persons "That includes evengelicals" political beliefs are obviously shaped by there religion. You can't get away from it. I know my understanding of things is influenced by what I think Christ taught. I just don't feel comfortable with politicians and mullahs or whatever the hell they are convincing people that they are God like and Christ loving while they are plotting revenge. You can't say you love God, and hate your brother. That's what the book says. Right. Love your enemy by killing him before he gets you. I didn't read that part. If it's not pratical to practise what we preach, maybe we shouldn't preach it. Just leave it up to the power hungry money loving leaders. Theirs and ours. Lets not pretend we are fighting a holy war. There is nothing holy about it.

    To dumb Dem,

    Your questions are very insightful. If I said, as a supporter of Bush, "I don't know the answers to those questions," tell me the next step.

    You see, I am not a military expert or a geopolitical expert. I live in a country that has a system that organizes a system of government that's prime mission is to protect or nation as an entity.

    The current leaders were democratically elected and in one month another opportunity will occur to change this leadership. In 2008, yet another opportunity will occur for the same. I will listen to Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Giuliani, McCain, etc. and choose who I feel will answer those same questions you pose best.

    You will have the same opportunity to chose who you feel will answer those questions to your satisfaction. Good luck.

    or = our, chose = choose.....don't hold typos against me.

    I would imagine none of the supporters of this site will change their minds based upon what I am going to write, but I would urge an open mind, not a narrow one, which can only lead to further supporting your current beliefs, whether they be right or wrong, and not bolstering education of one's self and taking into account how you would want to be treated if you were found in any of possible scenarios in which you could be tortured, again, whether it be "right" or "wrong".

    How does one explain the case of Mahrer Arar; a Canadian citizen imprisoned in the US under suspicion of ties to terrorism, which ended up not being true? Instead of trying this guest of the US's case quickly and impartially he was never allowed a case and immediately deported to Syria, where he was tortured and remained for months. Under the new bill passed by the Senate yesterday, this kind of activity is deemed appropriate as long as the President OKs it. Mr. Arar was a normal Canadian citizen visiting the US, much the way you or I would have been if we had been visiting Canada. How do you think you would feel if you were to be detained by Canadian authorities and sent to Syria to be tortured, having zero possibility of proving yourself innocent of the charges brought against you? This is only one case, however, if one innocent life is affected, isn't that one too many? Had it been your own mother would you not be up in arms?

    With the newly passed bill there are no ramifications for such actions explained above, nor are there any checks and/or balances to ensure that the decision to treat citizens with such malcontent doesn't lie with one person. This bill brings the great democracy known as the United States one step closer to becoming a dictatorship. If your argument remains that only people with enemy ties within the War on Terror will be affected then please re-read the second paragraph in my statement and realize that this was an ordinary citizen like you or I. Again, I ask, how would you feel if this happened to you?

    As for Keith Olbermann, he may present the news with an "in-your-face" attitude, but don't be scared of that. Listen to his message. For example, he did not need to quote Bob Woodward to make his point; he quoted Bob Woodward for exactly the same reasons you didn't want him quoting Bob Woodward. If someone KO has despised in the past is making the same argument he is, then he is trying not to side with BW, but rather try and show as many viewers the err of Iraqi war. KO's broadcast is not geared toward one demographic, like Bill O'Rielly's show, but rather towards anyone who will listen. KO speaks his mind and articulately communicates intelligent views and opinions based on current events. Watch this clip, if you haven't already, and see for yourself. I'm sure many of you will completely disagree with the content of his message, however, keeping an open mind and understanding how this content affects everyone, not just yourself, is the prime point (and never have I seen the likes of Mr. O'Rielly or Mr. Hannity articulate points with such educated vigor):

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KgkrApJ5PE&mode=related&search=

    Finally, don't pay attention to ratings. Ratings are based on what other people are doing. Think for yourself and watch what you want to watch, not what the ratings say you should watch. That would be another form of mindless following leading this country further down the dark path of dictatorship.

    I would imagine none of the supporters of this site will change their minds based upon what I am going to write, but I would urge an open mind, not a narrow one, which can only lead to further supporting your current beliefs, whether they be right or wrong, and not bolstering education of one's self and taking into account how you would want to be treated if you were found in any of possible scenarios in which you could be tortured, again, whether it be "right" or "wrong".

    How does one explain the case of Mahrer Arar; a Canadian citizen imprisoned in the US under suspicion of ties to terrorism, which ended up not being true? Instead of trying this guest of the US's case quickly and impartially he was never allowed a case and immediately deported to Syria, where he was tortured and remained for months. Under the new bill passed by the Senate yesterday, this kind of activity is deemed appropriate as long as the President OKs it. Mr. Arar was a normal Canadian citizen visiting the US, much the way you or I would have been if we had been visiting Canada. How do you think you would feel if you were to be detained by Canadian authorities and sent to Syria to be tortured, having zero possibility of proving yourself innocent of the charges brought against you? This is only one case, however, if one innocent life is affected, isn't that one too many? Had it been your own mother would you not be up in arms?

    With the newly passed bill there are no ramifications for such actions explained above, nor are there any checks and/or balances to ensure that the decision to treat citizens with such malcontent doesn't lie with one person. This bill brings the great democracy known as the United States one step closer to becoming a dictatorship. If your argument remains that only people with enemy ties within the War on Terror will be affected then please re-read the second paragraph in my statement and realize that this was an ordinary citizen like you or I. Again, I ask, how would you feel if this happened to you?

    As for Keith Olbermann, he may present the news with an "in-your-face" attitude, but don't be scared of that. Listen to his message. For example, he did not need to quote Bob Woodward to make his point; he quoted Bob Woodward for exactly the same reasons you didn't want him quoting Bob Woodward. If someone KO has despised in the past is making the same argument he is, then he is trying not to side with BW, but rather try and show as many viewers the err of Iraqi war. KO's broadcast is not geared toward one demographic, like Bill O'Rielly's show, but rather towards anyone who will listen. KO speaks his mind and articulately communicates intelligent views and opinions based on current events. Watch this clip, if you haven't already, and see for yourself. I'm sure many of you will completely disagree with the content of his message, however, keeping an open mind and understanding how this content affects everyone, not just yourself, is the prime point (and never have I seen the likes of Mr. O'Rielly or Mr. Hannity articulate points with such educated vigor):

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KgkrApJ5PE&mode=related&search=

    Finally, don't pay attention to ratings. Ratings are based on what other people are doing. Think for yourself and watch what you want to watch, not what the ratings say you should watch. That would be another form of mindless following leading this country further down the dark path of dictatorship.

    God, I wish that you wouldn't have done that.

    Excuse me while I duck.

    http://www.family.org/cforum/news/a0042120.cfm
    here is another display of the "tolerance" the SAPS-(self appointed progressives)are pushing.
    check out how "tolerant" these folks really are when someone disagrees with their agenda. Sounds like what the KKK used to do.

    "Just leave it up to the power hungry money loving leaders. Theirs and ours. Lets not pretend we are fighting a holy war. There is nothing holy about it."

    Ahhhhh...but the religious people who are REALLY fighting a holy war.... and who are REALLY killing people are those folks that you're admitted to just so sensitively.... and so generously.... asking them... and more importantly... yourself... "Just how did those awful neocons offend you!!"....

    What a guy!

    What an INTROSPECTIVE guy!...

    > articulate points with such educated vigor

    People he doesn't like are "hyenas". Yep, that's pretty vigorous.

    Then he uses an anti-Semitic slur to refer to a Jewish journalist as a "monkey".

    Wow. Such "educated vigor". He's a sleazy, and likely anti-Semitic, demagogue. If that makes him your hero, you can have him.

    "How do you think you would feel if you were to be detained by Canadian authorities and sent to Syria to be tortured, having zero possibility of proving yourself innocent of the charges brought against you? This is only one case, however, if one innocent life is affected, isn't that one too many? Had it been your own mother would you not be up in arms?"

    PDX Matt, I'd feel badly. As badly as if I were of Japanese descent and wrongfully placed in a concentration camp during WWII.

    However, I STILL wouldn't confuse FDR with Hitler...

    > articulate points with such educated vigor

    People he doesn't like are "hyenas". Yep, that's pretty vigorous.

    Then he uses an anti-Semitic slur to refer to a Jewish journalist as a "monkey".

    Wow. Such "educated vigor". He's a sleazy, and likely anti-Semitic, demagogue. If that makes him your hero, you can have him.


    If only he would do Republican talkig points nightly... then he would be OK. Right Johnny?

    Conservatives are tolerant and not racist? Here are two conservative groups" Council of Conservative Citizens and Sons of the Confederacy. Right-wingers don't want a theocracy? Look up Christian Reconstructionism.

    you're admitted to just so sensitively.... and so generously.... asking them... and more importantly... yourself... "Just how did those awful neocons offend you!!"....

    You should date a neocon

    www.neoconnections.com
    Just check out the testimonials!

    "When I met Julie I knew my life was turning the corner just like the war in Iraq."

    "I thought the only people who shared my imperilist fantasies were in the whitehouse... Till I met betty!"

    Plagerizing Bill Mahr

    PDX Matt,

    Keep that mind open....

    The limits placed on the government to maintain order and safety is an age-old debate. Due process, rules of evidence, etc, etc have practical implications.

    Crime occurs, justice is supposed to be achieved. What percentage of crimes that occur are ever brought to correct justice under our system? 50%? 40%? 10%? 99%? Do you know that answer?

    What is acceptable? Think about some hypotheticals.....

    If my wife is murdered and the system that protects everyone else hampers the investigation that would bring her killer to justice.....am I supposed to accept that? If my lawyer says, "reasonable doubt has not been overcome," and the killer is not punished, what is expected of me? You would rightly say, "You should accept it."

    If I am brought up on charges for something I did not do and am punished for it, what was the reason? Was I framed? Wrong place/wrong time? Mistakes in the investigation were made? Is it just as wrong to convict an innocent person as it is to acquit a guilty person.

    What ratio of wrongly convicted to wrongly acquitted is acceptable? Anyone? Anyone?

    Safeguards have failed here as well. That's the problem. I don't want another 9/11 because noncitizens are allowed to hide behind legalisms intended to protect U.S. citizens.

    With regard to the case you site and ask the question,

    "This is only one case, however, if one innocent life is affected, isn't that one too many? Had it been your own mother would you not be up in arms?"

    My answer is that we allow this to happen everyday in our judicial system...innocent people are freed from jails frequently when new evidence is presented. It is the price we pay to prosecute crime. Many, many, many more guilty people get away with crime because of restaints likrdue process, etc. How do you address that inequality?

    In war, where life and death is at issue, what is ok for the goverment to do? There has been a debate, the courts have ruled and the congress has voted. We will see the results of this system in the future......

    I missed the anti-Semetic slur. Then again, I didn't know that Chris Wallace was Jewish (or cared, for that matter).

    Your right cecelia.

    I think too much. I should just say oh well , i know that are president prays cause he said he loves jesus , and those bad people are so mean, i sure hope they don't come and kill me. If the president said it, I know it has to be true cause I love America and Jesus talks to the president so I trust in the lord when I trust in him. I know that he just cares about freedom and justice and would never hurt no one on purpose. That bad man in the pin stripe suite keeps saying bad words about our leader. I heard he is a fag and fags go to hell to burn in eternal fire forever and ever. Just like the liberals who hate God and want to give all our money to stupid causes like heath insurance for the poor. I sure am happy I have a leader who God chose to show me the way to the rapture is to kill all the jew haters and queers. Oh praise you great annointed one who smirks while he kills the infidels who worship the bad book and the bad prophet. Oh joy in my heart when I have a leader who is willing to piss on the bill of rights and the constition because he knows he is protecting me. Praise the day he was selected, I mean elected to lead us to heaven.

    "Plagerizing Bill Mahr"

    If you can't plagerize Bill Mahr...the terrorists have won...

    "Your right cecelia.

    I think too much"

    Oh, come now, Codas! Neither I nor anyone else has ever accused you of that...

    If I am brought up on charges for something I did not do and am punished for it, what was the reason? Was I framed? Wrong place/wrong time? Mistakes in the investigation were made? Is it just as wrong to convict an innocent person as it is to acquit a guilty person.

    It is worse. At least based on our judicial philospohy of innocent until proven guilty. I don't want murders walking on a silly technacality anymore than you do. But in our judicial system the idea is the govemenrt must prove its case against you. it doesn't get to label you a murderer and lock you up with no proof.

    "How do you think you would feel if you were to be detained by Canadian authorities and sent to Syria to be tortured."

    PDX Matt, I'd feel badly. As badly as if I were of Japanese descent and wrongfully placed in a concentration camp during WWII. However, I STILL wouldn't confuse FDR with Hitler...

    --------

    not only are we supposed to have learned something since the internments of WW II -- progressive not regressive -- but present-day rendition and torture is a hell of a lot more egregious than 1940s internment. moreover, the U.S. advocacy of torture is a step in the direction of Nazism -- and the official and systematic advocacy and practice of rendition and torture is more than sufficient reason for one to be compared to Hitler.




    There is nothing like a liberal criticizing tolerance of the right. You mean the tolerance of the NAACP and Rainbow Push who call JC Watts and Condi Rice an Uncle Tom or the tolerance of Liberals at PUBLIC Universities who will allow speakers on the US conspiracy behind 9/11, but do not allow David Horowitz. The tolerance of Demogoguermann (a new one) who doesn't allow a single conservative, libertarian, or independent on his show.

    So Pat Robertson and Falwell are intolerant idiots. Who cares? They are no more hypoctical than Jesse Jackson or Howard Dean.

    By the way my mommy's name is Cecilia!

    That's right...

    Who's your mama....

    yeah colbert and look how the "enlightened" and "tolerant" liberals portrayed Condi Rice and Colin Powell. But I guess it's OK when liberals do racism because thay have helped the underclass so muxh. If you go to true conservative websites even George Allen is being condemned for his alleged racial slurs.
    Colbert you and other SAPS always use one or two fringe groups to try and define conservatives. How about going to thinkprgress.org or democratic underground, or dailykos or firedoglake.com to see some real extremists. And if you want real left wing nutcases look no further that rosie o'donnell or Cynthia McCinney of Gerogia or wo about the Nation of Islam. you want more left wingnuts google the conection between the new liberals that call themselves "progressives" and socialism. These "Self Appointed Progressives"-
    SAPS for short, are the new more radical face of anti-American liberalism.
    so before you posts acoule of far-far right groups who do not represent the mainstream of the conservative movement Colbert maybe you should step back and look in your own liberal closet.

    Key word about whatever his name is from Canada is CITIZEN as in, not an American one. Therefore I don't care.

    Howard Dean's famous "the only place you will find "minorites" at the Republican convention is the hired help" yet Dean with typical northeastern liberal hypocrisy had NOT ONE minority in his cabinet as govenor of Vermont. The liberals look more like the Romans everyday with their do as I say not as I do hypocrisy

    That's nice anon show your liberal "tolerance" with mocking picture of the cross. What a liberal a--hole. I guess your liberal "tolernace" only extends to homosexuals, communists and Olbernanns right? Why don't you post apicture of Mohammed too? Oh I know it's only Christians you hate right. White heterosexual Christions are the enemy of the new socialist rainbow utopia you SAPS hope to create in America. Maybe I;ll just post some pictures of my own and see how much you like them.

    --- TODAY'S COVETED WINGNUT DU JOUR AWARD WINNER ---


    yes I am angry dammit! I am sick and tired of this pro gay agenda crap. Matthew Shepahard is a gay martyr but nobody mentions the poor kid that was killed just this week by some sick fag in Pennsylvania because he rejected the advannces of some sick homo. Yes I am pissed off paying property taxes to some school district who teaches and glorifies and justifies homosexuality aginst my beliefs and uses MY damn property tax money to do it. I am tired of all this bullshit gay marriage crap. i am tired of seeing slimaballs like olbermann get mouthy and defend these freaks of nature and denigrate some religious people for espousing morality. Hell damn friggin yes I am pissed off royally at shitheads like big gay al implying that I am gay because I am fighting the homosexual agenda. is that their plan for winning? calling all who oppose the homosexual agenda gay?? these people are truly mentally ill- they prove it more every damn day!damnright I am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore from these sicko deviant bastards!!!
    mad, mad. you have no friggin idea.
    but I will push and fight for conseravtives to be elected to office. The harder they push left the harder we will push back to the right. this a war for the moral soul of this contry and we will not give up so easily or at all.
    before all thus crap about gay "marriage" i had never uttered a bad word or had a bad thought about gays. I never even though about them . Then they start with this marriage bullshit and then demonizing anyone who opposed them.Then when they could not get their agenda thru the ballot box they went to some liberal judges who approved spreading their mental illness.Now they are in the schools recruiting our kids! our damn children have become fodder for sexual deviants. Well they do one thing good tho- they help conservatives get elected- The vast majority of good thinking Americans have shut them down at the ballot box and will continue do so. We will shut them down anyway we can.

    Posted by riverdog at September 29, 2006 03:56 AM

    --- TODAY'S COVETED WINGNUT DU JOUR AWARD WINNER ---



    Key word about whatever his name is from Canada is CITIZEN as in, not an American one. Therefore I don't care.

    Kinda makes you a nazi shit doesn't it? the fact that you could care less our conuntry was responsable for the torture of an innocent man. I mean it's one thing to feel that mistakes happen on occasion or to feel that the good outweighs the bad. But not to care, you are a just a bad person

    JT -

    Thanks for a thoughtful and intelligent response.

    As far as due process (and keeping an open mind about it) there are no doubt situations in which justice is not served. There can be no argument about that. However, the right to a fair trial is something I feel that most people would like to have. And "fair trial" is a loaded phrase; one major portion of that phrase being a quick and speedy trial. I personally feel that everyone should be afforded that right, in other words, given the opportunity to claim their innocence and eventually be given the chance to prove it. It is hard to do so, but let's not forget that everyone is innocent until proven guilty and until yesterday, only a court (typically comprised of your peers) could find you guilty. Now the President alone can do so. There is no burden of proof anymore. All that has to be said is that you are an enemy of the state and you can be locked up and tortured and no one would have to give an explanation as to why; no ramifications. Before yesterday this was not an option in the United States. It doesn't matter if President Bush is going to abuse this measure or not, no one can predict that, less the President himself. What does matter is that the possibility of someone taking such actions is now legal. Is this not wrong?

    "That's nice anon show your liberal "tolerance" with mocking picture of the cross. What a liberal a--hole. I guess your liberal "tolernace" only extends to homosexuals, communists and Olbernanns right? Why don't you post apicture of Mohammed too? Oh I know it's only Christians you hate right. White heterosexual Christions are the enemy of the new socialist rainbow utopia you SAPS hope to create in America. Maybe I'll just post some pictures of my own and see how much you like them."



    thanks again for showing just what aliberal scumbag youreally are.

    I'm sorry, my last post was directed towards "cee", not "JT".

    Look I don't believe in Altruism. I think it is evil. The world works much better when people act in their own self-interest using rationale and reasoning. The problem with liberals is that you have no scope of reality. No one has any personal responsibilty. Everything is always someone else's fault, and one wrongful imprisonment out of 300 million people = NAZISM. I am sorry but you = demogogue.

    People like you play this moral relativism that liberal professors have been pedaling for years. Just repeating the same tired line from Noam Chomski and claiming those who don't agree are Nazi's.

    what's the matter anon I strike a nerve in your gay head? call me a wingnut all you want sicko but you still can't get married to your "boyfriened" and that will not change. get used to it.
    you show for all to see YOUR hate and bigotry . good job and thanks for proving my point that you left wingnuts are all bigoted anti-religious hate-mongers. what's next on the tolerance and diversity road show? burning lawns of people who oppose so called gay "marriage". oh wait you "tolerant" hypocrites have already started doing that. good job- you represent to true face of the homofascists.

    http://www.family.org/cforum/news/a0042120.cfm
    here is more of the tolerance and diversity road show. hey anon you go girl!

    I have a solution to this whole "gay marriage" thing. Let gay folks have a "domestic partnership" with all the legal guarantees that comes with marriage. Essentially, give them marriage without actually calling it marriage.

    The religious nuts are happy with the sanctity of marriage and the gays are happy with the legal guarantees.

    Problem solved....what's next?

    Riverdog: These people make it too easy. They display their gross ignorance every single day here. Why they bother is beyond me but at least they serve as reminder to the rest of us why they keep losing elections. It is their intolerance and radical agendas which have put them so out of touch with the vast majority of decent, hard-working Americans that they wouldn't know what common sense was if it whacked them with a 2 by 4.

    And for the record, no, Olbermann is NOT worth watching except to document his lies & distortions which are made on a nightly basis and are never-ending. That's my biggest issue with him, that he is a slanted, lying liberal tool who uses discredited liberal blogs as "sources" for his "news".

    and why aren't you screaming from the top of your lungs about Olbermann's intolerance? First the Nazi salute, now calling a Jewish man a word loaded with a history of being a religious slander to Jews. Oh, I forgot. You think it's okay when YOUR side calls people names but no one else is allowed to. Sorry but again, your twisted logic doesn't work here.

    what's the matter anon I strike a nerve in your gay head? call me a wingnut all you want sicko but you still can't get married to your "boyfriened" and that will not change. get used to it.
    you show for all to see YOUR hate and bigotry . good job and thanks for proving my point that you left wingnuts are all bigoted anti-religious hate-mongers. what's next on the tolerance and diversity road show? burning lawns of people who oppose so called gay "marriage". oh wait you "tolerant" hypocrites have already started doing that. good job- you represent to true face of the homofascists.


    Here's a guy who really wants to join the Taliban. I mean think about it Riverdog. you could KILL gays! You could lock your women up if she doesn't behave like the 50s housewife and even before.. You can meet out justice swiftly with no due process. I mean if ever there was an organization you would like. You even get a dress code!

    well speaking as a "religious nut" as you so eloquently put it. NO not anymore. at one time I might have agreed to that but not anymore, not after the attacks, the posting of disgusting pictures by homofascists. And legal guarantees are not what the gays want and they will not stop there. They only want to havd "marriage" to try and legitimize their sexual habits. It's not about marriage at all it about forcing their chosen lifestyle on America and it will not happen.
    what's next you ask? well just look at the NAMBLA child molesting freaks and the group marriage folks. NAMBLA is just the youth outreach segment of the gay "rights" movement.

    PDX Matt,

    Affording many components of due process to POW's or "enemy combatants," increases the ratio of Wrongly acquitted/Wrongly convicted....You would agree. Now, taking this idea in the context of national security, where the goal is to protect the larger society, what is an exceptable ratio? More or less or the same as the ratio for the American judicial system? Which one is, "fair?"

    "Right to trial," was only afforded a nation's POWs in the past, not guerrilla warriors (people who do not carry their weapons in the open, wear uniforms, hide amongst and target civilian populations, etc). In my mind, terrorists = guerrilla fighters. The US Supreme Court changed this and now Bush as requested clarification. Congress has voted and we have a system to handle "enemy combatants." It does not suspend the previous rights of a US Citizen, a legal visitor to the US or even a soldier we capture from another nation.

    I am willing to accept this in order to allow the greatest possible prevention of death and destruction from terrorists. If it is abused, then the people abusing should be prosecuted....including the commander-in-chief. Nothing I have read anywhere rises to that level.

    >well just look at the NAMBLA child molesting >freaks and the group marriage folks. NAMBLA is >just the youth outreach segment of the >gay "rights" movement.

    I know I am just wasting my breath here but surely even you can see the differnece between consenting adults having sex and an adult taking advantage of a child.

    Anonymous it seems more like your little gay rights club wants to burn Christians and declare the bible hate speech. Some priests in Canada and the EU have already been arrested in violation of the forced tolerance laws. Protestors at the so called gay rights parade in Philadelphia were arrested for speaking out peaceably aginst so called gay "marriage".
    Then of course you try and dilute the argument by inserting women and women's rights into it. You can't stick to one subject and your silly little juvenile arguments can't stand alone.
    You even post dispariging and frankly hateful depictions of a religious symbol . Yeah real tolerant.
    I have never raised a hand in violence in my life and never espoused violence toward anyone. I have no police record, i have payed my taxes and raised a good family and been a good citizen of America my whole life .
    We do have that due proccess you speak of and I adhere to it. it's called voting . i know why you are so upset about the whole so called gay "marriage" thing. In every state that that due proccess has been allowed and not been stolen by liberal judicial activist judge so called gay "marriage" has been rejected by the people. it sounds like you homofascists using judges to get what the voters won't allow as more akin to taliban tactics than asking the voters what they think.

    CEE,
    Well put. People on the left seem to think that these issues involving a war on "terrorism" as opposed to a specific "nation-state" is settled law. This is all new territory.

    riverdog,
    You contradict yourself every other post. "You left wingnuts are all bigoted anti-religious hate-mongers." You've also called us secular humanists and pointed out Jesus, Abraham, and Mohammed all opposed abortion. Yet we all support abortion rights. So why do you keep claiming we're like the Islamic extremists? Do they support abortion or minority rights or smut or porn or gay rights or women's right or any of the rest of the "gay, tree-hugging liberal agenda?"
    Conservatives like you agree with the Islamic extremists' positions.

    well JT then why are the public schools teaching homosexuality and indoctrinating kids as young as six and seven in grammar school these days. I fully realize that of course not all gays are child molestors . Nobody is trying to "stamp out" homsexuality . you have the right to be gay if you so choose but you do not have the right to re-define marriage and the foundation of our society- the family in order to legitimize your sexual proclivities.
    if you look seriously look at the history of the homosexual movement in America from the APA being forced and badgered against it's better judgement to de-list homosexuality as mental disorder back in the mid 70's to today's hysterical legitmization of so called gay "marriage. to my friend "anonymous'" pictures of Jesus backwards smeared with mud or fecal matter you can see the true agenda of these people. They are not about tolerance they are about changing the very foundation of civilization - the family.
    They can't get approved at the ballot box so they get some liberal judges to validate their lifestyle.

    cee -

    I haven't looked for, nor do I know what the ratios are when it comes to wrongly acquitted vs. wrongly convicted, however, I don't FEEL as though the ratio is too out of whack; but again, I do not have any personal experience in courts to back this feeling up. However, what I am aware of is that mistakes have been made in the past, specifically regarding, for example, Mahmer Arar and because of this bill and its retroactive clause, anyone who was to stand responsible for these heinous actions is now free and clear of prosecution. The greater good should definitely be the focus here, but the right to trial (granted, only in relatively rare instances) has now been taken away from EVERYONE.

    One other point I want to make is that it is a proven fact that torture produces no good information - see:

    http://uselesstree.typepad.com/useless_tree/2006/09/torture_as_ther.html

    Why then do we feel the need to legalize it; especially retroactively? The only reasonable explanation is not because we are likely to use it for quality information in the future, but rather to clear the names of the responsible parties involved with Abu-ghraib and other documented torture cases stemming from the War in Iraq. The recently passed bill is not only a formation for the President to detain whomever he sees fit (formerly) illegally, but it is also a "get-out-of-jail free" card that clears himself and/or the responsible parties in his administration of their gross wrong-doings against humanity. These were considered war crimes before yesterday. Now these actions are supported by law.

    Colbert while I believe that abortion is intristically wrong I object to the federal government legalising it. i think it should be a states right issue.
    you say "Yet we all support abortion rights." . How do WE know? we were never give a vote on it. it was decided by liberal SCOTUS judges not the people. The only way liberal get their agenda thru is by liberal activist judges and thus the liberal- SAP - taliban connection. You left wingers can never win at the ballot box so you get some carefully chosen judges to legitimize your agenda.
    do you support smut and porn? Yeah there is something that has really improved America. But it is just another thing that liberals have used to pervert the Constitution .Thank you ACLU- the communist inspired group that now defends the rights of REAL nazis to spew forth their hate also defends your right to your stroke magazines.. Good job! Go ahead and tell me that the founding fathers intended the first ammendment to protect your smut collection.
    and by the way Mr.know it all colbert I AM a tree hugger myself. I belong to Audubon, sierra club AMC,ASPCA (and the NRA too). I have been a conservationist long before most people could spell conservation and have put my time, money and efforts where my mouth is. I donated time and money to the Katrina animal rescue- what trees have you hugged lately- I am afraid to ask.
    it is not the content of agreeing with al-queda and the taliban that makes you left wingers so much like them it is the way you go about getting your agenda passed that makes you similar. You further your agenda by judicial fiat not legitimate democratic proccess.Actually you left winger-SAPs are more analogous to the tyrants of ancient Rome whose moral degeneracy and hatred of Christianity led to some real persecution.

    "One other point I want to make is that it is a proven fact that torture produces no good information"

    Well I guess since a Lt. General says so. Of course, there is a point at which torture no longer yields good intel.

    So what would you do in a "ticking bomb" scenario? Talk him into submission? Tell the terrorist you "feel his pain"?

    Ah Riverdog, one thing you forget about the Gaystapo is that they hate Jesus because he supposedly tells their Mommies and Daddies to hate them and call them deviants. So there's no Love for any biblical messages, even if it's about tolerance..

    Brandon,
    There are more Democrats (37%) than Republicans (33%) in this country. On most issues, polls show Americans agree with Democrats. Americans trust Democrats more on healthcare, the economy, the environment, social security, education, Iraq. More Americans consider themselves pro-choice than pro-life. A majority of Americans support abortion rights.
    Winning elections? Gore received more votes in 2000 than Bush. Clinton won in '92 and '96. Let's look at Congress over the past 20 years. The Democrats gained seats in the House elections in 1986, 1988, 1990, 1996, 1998, and 2000. The election in 1998 marked the first time since 1934 the party not controlling the White House failed to pick up seats in a midterm. It also marked the first time since 1822 that occured in the second term of a Presidency. The Democrats gained seats in the Senate elections in 1986, 1988 stayed the same, 1990, 1996 stayed the same, 1998. The Democrats will pick up seats in both houses this year.

    That was an article I pulled up in a matter of moments just to show I was not making-up information. There are plenty of findings to support the uselessness of torture; this is merely one of them. Its uselessness was my point. I hope to not focus upon backing-up data, although, I do suppose in being new to this blog I could do so in order to prove I try my best to not make-up information. I would rather intelligently discuss then fact-find.

    On that note, I am leaving this computer now, but would like to say I'm intrigued and will be back on later.

    REPUG FAMILY VALUES!!!!!!


    Florida Rep. Mark Foley's resignation came just hours after ABC News questioned the congressman about a series of sexually explicit instant messages involving congressional pages, high school students who are under 18 years of age.

    In Congress, Rep. Foley (R-FL) was part of the Republican leadership and the chairman of the House caucus on missing and exploited children.

    He crusaded for tough laws against those who used the Internet for sexual exploitation of children.

    he used the screen name Maf54 on these messages provided to ABC News.

    Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi
    Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): are you
    Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol...a bit
    Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy
    Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow...
    Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:51 PM): haha
    Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:15 PM): thats true
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend
    Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though
    Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not
    Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:51:57 PM): not me
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week
    Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number
    Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:47 PM): and quickly
    Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:03 PM): eh ya
    Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:30 PM): no face down
    Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:34 PM): lol
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:36 PM): i see that
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:37 PM): lol
    Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really
    Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya
    Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand...i use the bed itself
    Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel
    Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really
    Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya
    Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol
    Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:00 PM): haha
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess
    Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not
    Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm
    Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual
    Maf54 (7:56:39 PM): i may try that
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:43 PM): it works
    Maf54 (7:56:51 PM): hmm
    Maf54 (7:56:57 PM): sound inetersting
    Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand
    Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion...takes too much time to clean up
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off....and go
    Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol
    Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard....or its not good
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry
    Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:23 PM): ya....
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw
    Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft
    Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess
    Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:06 PM): ya
    Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow
    Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp...or growing
    Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing
    Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
    Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now
    Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast
    Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey
    Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich
    Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what
    Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**
    Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like
    Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom

    BWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

    AWOLBUSH,
    He's a typical conservative. They're a bunch of sexual pretadors due to being sexually repressed.

    Then why Cllbert do repubs keep winning. Gore lost the election- get over it. and Clinton never won a MAJORITY of the vote- he never got even close to 50% of the vote, he only won because Ros perot split the repub vote. Even a SAP like you should be able to fugure that out unless of course yoy are trying to distort something....
    and it was 1994 that the republicand finally ended the democrats stranglehold on this country not 1996 WHEw were do you get your facts?? romper room or Olbermann room?
    sorry to tel you Colby but dems will continue to lose unless they reject the far left SAP agenda. Let's watch the votes on so called gay "marriage" as a bellweather on the SAP agenda shall we ?
    how do we know that Americans are all the things you say? we never get to vote on anything important and when referendums are initiated by the voters liberal activist groups try and shut them down. From TABOR to so called gay "marriage" to English only the SAPs fight the will of the people .
    EG you are right about the Nazis they negated religion, they confiscated guns, they outlawed smoking and were heavily involved with the occult. They turned kids against parents and infiltrated the schools to force their ideology.they imprisoned all that diagreed with them. They imposed "speech codes" analogous to politcal correctness. While the ends of the Nazis were not exactly the same as today's Lib-SAPs their means and ways of forcing their agenda is the same.

    I'm sure Olbermann's messages to his young fans are just as bad, if not worse.

    Colbert,
    Why does the left bash Religious Christians but always defend religious Muslims? Why the hypocrisy?

    Hey Lefties what do you think of this?

    http://www.startribune.com/462/story/709262.html

    If christians did this you guys would be up in arms!

    Colbert,
    Why do you not point out the anomoly that happened in 2002? Is it because it was only the fourth time in history that the party that held the whitehouse (republican) picked up seats in the House and Senate? And the first time it happened when the Whitehouse party already held majorities in said houses? You do your namesake well, by only pointing out facts that buttress your arguments and not pointing to all the facts. This is a common technique used by the left and of course, demogoguermann.

    Also, why don't you look at the polls with regard to late-term abortions. This is what we point to when we show that the democrat party is run by groups like NARAL and NOW. You know the ones that don't let pro-life dems speak at the DNC convention.

    Ignoring the facts that don't support your claims is at best ignorant, but more commonly it's intellectual dishonesty.

    riverdog,
    Where did I say the Republicans took control in 1996, not in 1994? Republicans don't "keep winning."
    The years not listed are the years they won. They won in the 2002 and 2004 Congressional elections. If you're ecstatic over two consecutive wins, that says all that needs to be said about who the real losers are. Gore won more votes than Bush in 2000. That's a fact. The majority of American people who voted wanted Gore to be President. Analyses of the 1992 election found Perot took votes fairly evenly from Clinton and Bush. Clinton would have won with over 50% if Perot had not run.

    Riverdog, why when you were attacked on your supposed military record by someone who cleary understood the military did you shut up? The only conclusion that can be drawn is you're a liar.

    Crash and Colbert,
    Answer my posts?
    Why does the left stand up for Muslims while they attack Christians?

    Crash and Colbert,
    Answer my posts?
    Why does the left stand up for Muslims while they attack Christians?

    AWOL that guy should be fired quit resign , go to jail whatever he was wrong > he does not represent family values anymore than the democrat ex- govenor of New Jersey represents democrats... oh wait HE DOEs
    I guess it's OK to flaunt this republican guy.
    but you forget Gary Condit, Cynthia McKinney, Jim McGreevy, Bill Klinton and of course my old favorite standby and murderer Ted "chappaquidick" Kennedy. Tell me what resonsibility did Kennedy take for his gross negligence if not out and out manslaughter. Why did not Kennedy resign. Why did Klinton pay big money to silece charges of rape, why did the feminists lef Kliton get away with sexual harrassment and assault of a subordinate ?
    I gues when you lib SAPs do it that is just democrat valuse right?
    ya got any more stupid things to say colb-anonymous- why does one person use two names to post here? I wonder? maybe just more democrat values because in thelastfew elections elections dead people and felons and illegal aliens voted democratic . but yeah Gore won tho!! HA
    is that the best ya got colby-nonamous? that ain't so good ya SAPs.

    Crash,
    I'm sorry your on my side.

    Colbert answer my question!

    Why do you strawman arguments?

    I stated my military record as much as I will. If you think I care about what you think my little friend you are sorely mistaken. My service was probably even before you were born. and I did my job as survival instructor and advisor, I lived thru it relatively intact and I got an Honorable Discharge in 1976 and that's all the information you are priveleged to get. Now enlighten us all on what you have done for your counrty. And defending so called gay "marriage and abortion does not count as service to your country and boy with statistics likeyou got democrats are sure to lose again just like every election since 1994
    the lord high SAP is now broacasting his orders to his minions on MSNBC now so I have to go and watch the fun
    I'll be back to educate you poor misguided lib-SAPs later.

    Did you know Ted Bundy campaigned for GOP candidates before his murder spree? Both sides have nutcases but it shouldn't define either party with a broad brush...

    Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
    Teen: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
    Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.

    Another message:

    Maf54: What ya wearing?
    Teen: tshirt and shorts
    Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.

    And this one:

    Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
    Teen: A little.
    Maf54: Cool.

    The language gets much more graphic, too graphic to be broadcast, and at one point the congressman appears to be describing Internet sex.

    Federal authorities say such messages could result in Foley's prosecution, under some of the same laws he helped to enact.

    STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA - ESPECIALLY NAMBLA PEDOPHILIA!!!!!!!!!

    * Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

    * Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

    * Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.


    http://www.armchairsubversive.com

    BWAAAAAAAH!

    It's amazing the number of posts on this site. I'm trying to understand how a guy with truly abominable ratings can generate this much interest.

    I just don't see what the fuss is all about. Liberal, shmiberal. Who cares because no one is watching (except the people on this site).

    AWOL I wholeheartedly agree with you that thes child preadators should be held accountable and jailed if guilty.

    where is the 9/29/o6 olbermannwatch?
    Oh well I gues I can start it here if that's OK
    The Mr Soap Flakes comedy hour and free democart party advertisement was as usual funny.
    My firts point is WTF was up with Mr. Soap Flakes hair??? Is the big looney wearing a toupe or was his highness just having a bad hair day. he looked like Jim Trafficant with his pompadour. What a nutjob he is.
    It must suck to be Olby. I mean this guy has more enemies than anybody. the way he shoots of his mouth and calls people names He called Roger Ailes "fat ass" on primetime? I'l bet the FCC wand MSNBC management will not like that. Then he suggested that Ailes has another pie?? I though Mr Soap Flakes was so politclly correct. I guess the typical liberal hypocrisy only covers other liberals.
    Nice of him to go after George Allen's Dad too. I really like the senile ol liberal bat that he paraded out. She said she remebers "vividly" Allen using the N word several times but this old democratic operative cannot even remember what season the game was in when Allen was supposed to have used the slurs! Gee I can remeber this guy using certain words vividly but I cannot remember if was spring or fall!! Real realiable witness for the libs.
    He can come to big gay Rosie's defense but make fun of the guy who reported on the sicko dyke's horrid TV appearence's last name. yeah there is another adult argument from Mr Soap Flakes. Did you snort those alleged soap flakes you got in the mail Kiethy? or did you just wash your hair with them??
    it was real noce of Mr Flakes to advertise Bill O'reilly's book seeing as how that book is outselling his own autobiography .
    C'mon soapy ya gotta come up with more stuff than this to stay o TV. You have ten to fifteen minutes of bash Bush and the republicans and then stupid clips that may amuse you but are just internet trash. Well trash does promote more trash.
    yeah both parties have scumbags but ted kennedy never owned up and never paid for his crime and is still in the senate and has the unmitigated gall to speak about moral authority.

    Riverdog,
    What was the Media Matters(Worst Person in the World) section about?

    riverdog,
    Another posted proved the stories you told about your "service" were lies and you didn't know enough about the military to argue with him. You shut up and stopped defending yourself because you knew he had exposed you. Nice try though.
    Bill Clinton easily won in 1996 and the Democrats won in Congress in 1996, 1998 and 2000. If I were a loser like you I'd consider losing Congressional seats and the Presidency a win too.

    Clinton never raped anyone. Maybe you raped someone but not President Clinton.

    RedWolf,
    I know all the inbreds are too stupid to think so all you can do is listen to Rush. I'm not trying to make you cry little kid but I have to tell you something. Your hero Rush lies about things. I know the truth hurts. Go cry to your mommy. It's okay. Liberals think all extreme religious beliefs are dangerous and religion mixing with government is dangerous. Conservatives want to set up a Christian version of Iran.

    your terrible and atrocious butchering of the English language aside just what are ou refering to Colbert Well colbert-omann you can go back to your little faggot bar now. I know you little left wing libtards want to set up your little socialist faggot rainbow utopia but SORRY- it ain't gonnna happen . Like I said being an inbred redneck is still better than being an AIDS infseted big city queer like you colbert.
    you know klinton did not EVER get a majority and you are just too stupid to get it. So what the big rapist is gone and his bitch-dyke wife will NEVER be president.okay. Liberals think all extreme religious beliefs are dangerous and religion mixing with government is dangerous. Conservatives want to set up a Christian version of Iran.
    one of your funnier SAP leftard coments Colbertard:
    "Liberals think all extreme religious beliefs are dangerous and religion mixing with government is dangerous."
    well you got one part of your ill concived and poorly executed pseudo-sentence right- liberals don't think and what little they do thing they think using either their sex organs or their ass. Maybe most of us don't think mixing with liberalism , which is just thinly veiled Liberals just want their faggot mariage and more taxes to pay for all the AIDS infested vermin that come from it.
    also colber you little weasel remind me as to where I backed down about my military service? ya wanna see my honorable discharge?? i would be just tickled to show it to you in person you little scumwipr.
    oh and ps you still can't marry your little sloppy boyufriend - ya know why?? because there will be no fag marriage allowed- ever.
    man colbert-fag it is so much fun kicking your pansy ass here on this site, you make it so easy cause you are so damn dumb- are you really michael musto?

    riverqueer,
    I butcher the English language? Most of your posts are incomprehensible. You sound as if you have a third-grade education.
    You are obsessed with gays. It's obvious you're gay.
    Everyone here realizes it. You keep working out your gay rage here and with your "life partner" at home. Good luck with your gay self.

    you spell like an epileptic monkey with downs syndrome and you sound like the poster boy for snotty little kids. and you act like you need a nap.

    O'Lielly -

    As a Christian, I'm glad you're an athiest too. But, I bet even most athiests would consider you an embarassment.

    You got that right.

    Damn, ya know I came here to see if people actually had things to say about Olbermann, if he was lying to people, inconsistencies etc.... instead it's a bunch of people laing out so much hate I can't even believe it.

    The narrow mind of the commenters here guarentees I'll never take this place seriously...

    And we won't miss you Seb, not with your bad spelling and grammar and incomprehensible syntax. No wonder Olby appeals to you so much. He speaks your language.

    I think the Technorati ranks are quite skewed with regards to blogs the recently moved to science blogs. And from my own experience with Technorati, "recently" in their terms can be weeks... They're not always up to date, and have a very hard time handling moved sites or merged domains (two urls both leading to the same site). I tried that once and suddenly I had 0 incoming links, said the mighty Technorati website. Then I had to wait about a month for support, so you can see why I don't believe in Technorati's numbers very much.

    Someone better call Fox Security. He was beat by a gameshow and Letterman and Leno too. Guess what? So was everyone else on a news related network. Most people don't watch the news.

    Someone better call Fox Security. He was beat by a gameshow and Letterman and Leno too. Guess what? So was everyone else on a news related network. Most people don't watch the news.