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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    September 27, 2006
    Stop Scaring Keith

    Whichever one of you wise guys sent KO the package of soap powder needs to knock it off. That was NOT cool! According to the New York Post, Keith was NOT amused:

    MSNBC loudmouth Keith Olbermann flipped out when he opened his home mail yesterday. The acerbic host of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" was terrified when he opened a suspicious-looking letter with a California postmark and a batch of white powder poured out. A note inside warned Olbermann, who's a frequent critic of President Bush's policies, that it was payback for some of his on-air shtick...

    ...The caustic commentator panicked and frantically called 911 at about 12:30 a.m., sources told The Post's Philip Messing. An NYPD HazMat unit rushed to Olbermann's pad on Central Park South, but preliminary tests indicated the substance was harmless soap powder. However, that wasn't enough to satisfy Olbermann, who insisted on a checkup. He asked to be taken to St. Luke's Hospital, where doctors looked him over and sent him home. Whether they gave him a lollipop on the way out isn't known. Olbermann had no comment.

    Whatever gripes we have with Keith this is not right - and not funny. Folks at NBC still have vivid memories of the REAL anthrax attack on Tom Brokaw. The last time I checked, Tom's secretary had still not returned to work. I don't think I need to prove anything about my distaste for what KO does with his show but I now find myself in the odd position of defending Keith, agreeing with Editor & Publisher and slamming Page Six. The New York Post went way over the line here in making light of this incident.

    UPDATE: The Olberverse weighs in...

    Gawker: Fucking pussy. Everyone knows anthrax is no big deal.

    Hot Air:

    Relevant Torture: Hollywood Reporter columnist Ray Richmond writes about KO's suspicious mail

    Star Dog Cafe: did some flunky that works for Rupert Murdoch's organization send that fake anthrax letter to Keith? Was it some ultra-right-wing jack-off who sits around and listens to conservative talk radio all day long? Was the sender of the letter so upset by Keith's recent commentary?

    Outside the Betlway: It;s rather amusing, then, to see a pro-Olbermann blogstorm among the latter.

    Blue Crab Boulevard: I have never watched Keith Olberman's show, but have seen a few video clips. My opinion of him? He's a jerk on the make. He thinks he can build a name for himself by playing to the left and being more and more extreme in his anti-Bush diatribes. Some share my opinion, some think he's wonderful, some think he's good, some think he's bad. None of which gives anyone the right to send the man a packet of powder in the mail and attempt to terrify him.

    The American Mind: It's bad enough for some sick bastard to send Lefty looney toon Keith Olberman an envelope filled with white powder. I hope that creature is soon arrested. To make things worse the NY Post's gossip section, Page Six, mocked Olberman.

    The Moderate Voice: Is it going to take a major catastrophe for some folks to see how bitter, venal partisanship which continues to go into areas far behind debate over issues into personal hatred is taking this country down a path Democrats and Republicans would not have dreamed it could ever realistically reach?

    Patterico's Pontifications: This New York Post Page Six entry is just plain idiotic.

    Right Wing Huthouse: In what, in my opinion, is one the most disgraceful and shocking exhibitions of callous disregard for journalistic standards not to mention human decency, the New York Post gossipy Page Six ran a story describing MSNBC host Keith Olbermann's terrifying experience with a threatening letter that contained a "white powder."

    Ed Driscoll: Hugh Hewitt and Ed Morrissey are defending Keith Olbermann--and I agree with them.

    The Political Pit Bull: As much as "my ilk" and I can't stand Olbermann and his self-righteous B.S., this is totally screwed-up.

    Hugh Hewitt: The Post owes Olbermann an apology, and it needs a new Page Six staff --again

    Captain's Quarters: Olbermann is human, and a feigned terrorist attack on him goes waaaaaay beyond the pale. As if that wasn't bad enough, the New York Post's Page Six belittles him for checking with a doctor to be sure.

    Hot Air: I wonder if he will bring this up on his show since he attacked O’Reilly for claiming he was on an al-Qaeda death list.

    186K per second: Regardless what you think of Olbermann, this is a sick and twisted trick.

    Majikthise: sending fake anthrax to journalists is just a harmless prank. You know, like stuffing a deer head into a black family's mailbox.

    Newsbusters: Keith Olbermann Terrified by 'Anthrax' Package.

    Radio Equalizer: According to the New York Post, the serial O'Reilly basher has also received a substance- filled letter with a Californian postmark. Somehow, the lunatic had Olbermann's home address. It may be similar to the one sent to KSCO, a news - talk station in Santa Cruz, on Monday. That letter was apparently posted from San Jose.

    Oliver Willis: The right-wing in America has once again chosen to try and silence that which they disagree with.

    Relevant Torture: some nutjob sent fake anthrax to Keith's home in the mail - ostensibly for his outspokenness of late.

    ICN: The more I think about it, the more displeased I am with Page Six.


    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (184) | | View blog reactions
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    It's not a big deal.. I sent some baby powder in an envelope to Mann Cu--ler's publisher after her last book full of reichwing rhetoric. I sure wish I knew where she lived.

    Look, I sent some shit to Keith Olbermann's house, and it appears that not only did he not know what it was, he ate it.

    I always said he was full of shit. I just never knew how right I was.

    "KeithAnally" as he shall me called henceforth (since he likes to refer to O'Reilly as Bill Orally) is a fucking chickenshit, lying sack of dogshit. I would love to watch him get gang raped in the ass by Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmoud and the boys. Boy, I ll bet he had a fucking hardon sitting there interviewing Bill (BJ) Clinton. I wonder if Keith sucked him off too just like Monica did?

    Odormann went to California and mailed the soap to himself in a failed attempt to portray the hoax as a "threat" to Odormann. I hope the police have some video of that fraud.

    Odormann went to California and mailed the soap to himself in a failed attempt to portray the hoax as a "threat" to Odormann. I hope the police have some video of that fraud.

    "Keith Anally" as he shall henceforth be referred to (since he likes to refer to Bill O'Reilly as Bill Orally) is a fucking chickenshit, dishonest lying sack of dogshit. I would love to watch him get gang raped in the ass by Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmoud and the boys. Boy, I'll bet he had a fucking hardon sitting there interviewing Bill (BJ) Clinton. I wonder if Keith sucked him off too just like Monica did?

    Just using simple math - sum body's got some splainin to do -

    Opie has 300,000 viewers. You could say that's 6,000 per state. But since California is the most populous state - let's say Calif accounts for 20,000 viewers alone. 85 % - or 17,000 viewers probably worship Opie - That leaves only 3,000 people for the authorities to question

    Poor souls in Calif who watch the show just to see the trains colide every night - are probably on a "persons of interest" list right now.

    But I agree - not really funny and over the line

    Besides - he's self destructing just fine on his own

    Classy way to handle it Robert.

    Not so classy of your site's fans. The NY Post didn't show much more class then them either. Note the snarky tone throughout the article. This actually is an incident of terrorism, no matter who received the letter. Since the NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, I'm not surpised that they would allow this tact given Keith's criticism of his network. Remember that day after 9-11 when we all stood together? That day is long gone, thanks to this type of partisanship and much to America's loss.

    how a Page Six item would have read had the same thing happened to Fox News personality and NY Post icon Bill O'Reilly.

    TERRORISTS TARGET FOX PUNDIT -- COPS CLAIM AL QAEDA LINK

    Beloved Fox news personality Bill O'Reilly was stunned by a terrorist attack in his home mail yesterday. The dynamic host of "The O'Reilly Factor" was wary when he opened a suspicious-looking letter with a California postmark and an anthrax-like powder poured out. A note inside warned O'Reilly, one of President Bush's most vigorous defenders that it was 'payback' for his implacable stance against Islamofascist terrorists. The stalwart commentator calmly dialed 911 at about 12:30 a.m., sources told The Post's Philip Messing. An NYPD HazMat united rushed to O'Reilly's home, but preliminary tests confirmed what O'Reilly himself suspected -- the substance was harmless soap powder. Although Mr. O'Reilly insisted the incident go no further, authorities persuaded him to go to St. Luke's Hospital, where doctors gave him a clean bill of health. O'Reilly, who reportedly has been a "high value target" for Al Qaeda terrorists, had no comment, but his steely glare and determined stride showed reporters he was unshaken by this attempt on his life.

    Idiot, the NY Post was a victim of the anthrax attacks. They just question the timing.

    The partisanship comes from one side.

    As I stated in the other threads, this is serious stuff and no joke.

    That being said, if this is a real attack, this will only help KO:
    He will milk it on his show for ratings.
    He will use it to blame conservatives.
    He will rally more blue bloggers and nutjobs to his cause.
    Somehow, he'll tie it into This site, O'Reilly or Coulter.

    CC, I must agree, KO is self destructing all on his own. He makes such an ass of himself every night. I could swear he was a plant by Karl Rove.

    Who done it
    > Where was Karl Rove - he will soon be indicted
    > The monkey, Wallace, from Fox news
    > O'Reilly - who by Opie's acocunts -fears him, and who must be bitter that Opie's book is only 62 place behind his on Amazon.
    > Rumsfeld - who hasn't slept since Opie diatribe about... well I forgot what about
    > Coulter - she wanted the NY Times buidling destroyed said Opie
    > Fineman, Liar Creepy liar O'Donnell, Musty, The Dean Brothers, Howard and John, Barney Milbanks Fife, all want the coeveted chair
    > Rita Cosby - getting back for the suitcase full of rocks comment

    Nope - answer is - it's Bush's fault. Bush has done nothing to stop the open and outright sale of sweet & low, ivory soap, (which could be turned into fine particles - instructions on the net)- what else is fine and white.??



    The people on this thread that hate Olbermann have that right and the right to voice that feeling. It is guaranteed by the Constitution.

    What no one has the right to do is take a threatening letter containing unknown substances and turn it into a joke. It is no joke, not in this day and age of terrorism.

    Two days ago four state offices in Denver were emptied because of threatening letters containing unknown white substance. Did Colorado treat this as a joke, NO. Nor did anyone in the news treat it as a joke.

    Spew your hate, but when you make fun of a potential death threat, you have gone too far.

    Did any of you people posting here get passed the third grade?



    Edward R. Olbermann -- Can't Wait For The Next Special Comment

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    Jack,

    we did get PAST the 3rd grade.

    Tonight on Meltdown -

    Opie call for waterboarding to get suspects to talk.

    Can you imagine when the cops interview him and ask -

    Cops: Mr Olbermann - do you have any enemies?

    (I'm hearing acoustic guitar with Arlo Guthrie starting into an Alice's Restaurant response)

    Olbermann "well, I had 23 jobs in 12 years - and everyhwere along the line I burned bridges and made enemies, for example just this week I called Mr. Wallace from Fox a monkey. How much time do you have officer?

    Yeah.. a true sign of a real journalist is one that makes everyone happy and real content with a war that has caused us billions of dollars, Three thousand brave American soldiers and we are not anymore safe than we were before 9/11. Yep it takes a true journalist to put a nice shiny coat of paint on a healthy steaming pile of shit.

    OLBERMANN
    But the winner, Bill Orally. In an interview with Barbara Walters he tells her, “The FBI came in and warned me and a few other people at FOX News that al Qaeda had us on a death list.”

    Hey, fella! Were they targeting you or where the just expecting you to help?

    Bill O‘Reilly, today’s “Worst Person in the World.”

    OLBERMANN SUPPORTER
    What no one has the right to do is take a threatening letter containing unknown substances and turn it into a joke. It is no joke, not in this day and age of terrorism...........
    Spew your hate, but when you make fun of a potential death threat, you have gone too far.

    This is classic.

    OLBERMANN
    But the winner, Bill Orally. In an interview with Barbara Walters he tells her, “The FBI came in and warned me and a few other people at FOX News that al Qaeda had us on a death list.”

    Hey, fella! Were they targeting you or where the just expecting you to help?

    Bill O‘Reilly, today’s “Worst Person in the World.”

    OLBERMANN SUPPORTER
    What no one has the right to do is take a threatening letter containing unknown substances and turn it into a joke. It is no joke, not in this day and age of terrorism...........
    Spew your hate, but when you make fun of a potential death threat, you have gone too far.

    This is classic.

    The prank was classless. So is Olby, for that matter, but whoever did it is just plain stupid. It's hard to tell which Olby-enemy did this because he's made so many throughout his life.

    Alexander Alt said:
    "I would love to watch him get gang raped in the ass by Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmoud and the boys."

    Words fail me. What value does that statement have? Was it funny when Limbaugh or Hannity or O'Reilly got death threats? Was it funny when the Post received anthrax letters? No; No; No and it's not funny now.

    The saddest part about that post is that you are truly missing the boat here.

    1) Freedom of speech is one of the Fundamental Rights that separate America from countries like Venezuela, Iran or North Korea. To wish violence upon someone, anyone, because they have a different opinion ... well - words fail me.

    2) The political intolerance which Alexander demonstrated does nothing to make us a stronger country. It stifles healthy political debate and results in myopic black and white thinking on both sides. In my opinion, this is the single greatest threat our country is facing today. Think about it. If Linda Leftist and Ronnie Rightest hate each other so much that they can't talk about the issues, who benefits? The politicians on both sides. If the politicians can keep the voters angry and frightened enough, they don't need leadership skills or even ethics, all they need is to belong to the right party.

    I don't want to be some politician's Pawn. Therefore I hereby readopt the slogan "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (even my father in law)

    I know how hokey that reads, but please think about it. Red or blue, left or right this country belongs to us, not to some clown who knows how to make us angry or afraid.

    Alexander Alt said:
    "I would love to watch him get gang raped in the ass by Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmoud and the boys."

    Words fail me. What value does that statement have? Was it funny when Limbaugh or Hannity or O'Reilly got death threats? Was it funny when the Post received anthrax letters? No; No; No and it's not funny now.

    The saddest part about that post is that you are truly missing the boat here.

    1) Freedom of speech is one of the Fundamental Rights that separate America from countries like Venezuela, Iran or North Korea. To wish violence upon someone, anyone, because they have a different opinion ... well - words fail me.

    2) The political intolerance which Alexander demonstrated does nothing to make us a stronger country. It stifles healthy political debate and results in myopic black and white thinking on both sides. In my opinion, this is the single greatest threat our country is facing today. Think about it. If Linda Leftist and Ronnie Rightest hate each other so much that they can't talk about the issues, who benefits? The politicians on both sides. If the politicians can keep the voters angry and frightened enough, they don't need leadership skills or even ethics, all they need is to belong to the right party.

    I don't want to be some politician's Pawn. Therefore I hereby readopt the slogan "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (even my father in law)

    I know how hokey that reads, but please think about it. Red or blue, left or right this country belongs to us, not to some clown who knows how to make us angry or afraid.

    Get a grip overwrought Olbermann fans. While I will freely admit that this was a sick prank and that no one should be subjected to this kind of thing happening to them, and that I do hope the authorites catch who ever did this, I believe you have lost all perspective because it happened to your beloved Olbermann. Imagine if you will that this had happened to Bill O'Reilly. What would you have said then? "Too bad it wasn't real anthrax." "Sorry he didn't die."

    Better yet, imagine that this happened to Bill O'Reilly and Olby was covering the story. How sarcastic do you think Olbermann would have been in describing it? Do you think he would have cracked a joke about it? No, let me rephrase that last question HOW many jokes do you think Olbermann would have cracked about it?

    Anyone who believes, for one single second that Olbermann wouldn't have made a joke about this had it happened to anyone else, if that someone else was a conservative commentator or a reporter for Fox News, is sniffing whatever it was that was in the envelope that Olby received in the mail.

    well...

    Whoever did this probably thought they were sending a warning or something.

    However... Now Keith Olbermann is a story and one that will get quite a bit of play over the next week or so in a lot of media outlets. Lots of people will hear his name for the first time and tune in the show for the first time. His ratings are going to go way up.

    You cant buy this kind of publicity. A year ago very few people had heard of him. His comments on Katrina brought him a lot of attention but he was still a low rated show on a backwater network. Over the last year his ratings have gone way up. Now he even has a book out (and its selling well)... His comments of the last few weeks are all over YouTube.

    It will be interesting to watch the next few days and see if he can turn it into a perminant up tick in his ratings. If he handles this right he could wind up being remembered as one of the big winners in 2006.

    Alexander Alt said:
    "I would love to watch him get gang raped in the ass by Ahmed, Mohammed, Mahmoud and the boys."

    The obvious conclusion that can be drawn from this elegant and artfully crafted statement is:

    Alexander Alt is gay.

    Why else would anyone "LOVE" to watch a man get "GANG RAPED IN THE ASS" by a group of other men?

    Some times picking on you rednecks is just too easy.

    "a nice shiny coat of paint on a healthy steaming pile of shit" says Olieley- yeah who paints you everyday asshat? You talk ike you have been snorting Ivory soap you snapperhead.
    "Some times picking on you rednecks is just too easy." yup it's almost as easy as setting you leftard commies on fire.

    Only the blue blogs are taking this seriously.

    Whoever sent that letter should be arrested and charged with a crime. That being said, Olbermann made fun of O'Reilly about being on an al-Qaeda hit list just last week. He was joined by TVNewser and other muckraking blogs. So forgive me if I'm not exactly sympathizing.

    For those who think we should feel sorry for KO because of this "alleged" prank..just remember how KO and other libs have made fun of death threats against O'Reilly and others..it was just last week that KO was rolling his eyes over the story that the FBI warn O'Reilly and others at FOX that they're on a hit list..also this is the same guy that imposed a news blackout on talking about the kidnapped FOX news reporters on his show.

    First - Apologies to Alexander Alt. It was NOT he or she who posted the message I cited. It was "KeithAnally." My bad.

    Second, hey Riverdog, I'll bring the kerosene and the lighter. Then you try to see if you can light me on fire, okay? Of course this whole ordeal greatly favors you, Jethro, as I have much more to lose: all my teeth!!!!!!!!!!

    mlong is correct. While the person who did this is a foul monster, the person he did it to is just as foul. It is a case of the crazy taunting the crazy.

    KfK said:

    "While the person who did this is a foul monster, the person he did it to is just as foul..."

    Uhm........... help me understand your logic here because it is evading me.

    First, Keith Olbermann gives his audience his personal opinions. Whether you agree with them or not it is still legal in this country to both have and give one's opinions.

    The person who sent KO the white powder has committed a felony. It is not a prank, or a joke. It is a felony.


    Second, how do you know that the person who sent the white powder to KO is not, in fact, much, much, much, much fouler than KO? I think you may be taking liberties with the facts here. However if you actually know who sent the white powder and can verify his or her actual level of foulness I will certainly be in a much better position to judge the accuracy of your assertions.

    Riverdog.. you are still alive... I mean I know you are brain dead,, but you still draw breath.Damn. I am anxiously awaiting your pending implosion.

    LOL...

    "You talk ike you have been snorting Ivory soap you snapperhead.
    "as easy as setting you leftard commies on fire."

    wow... just wow. Snapperhead? WTF does that even mean?

    Leftard? Commie? Ha ah ha.

    LOL.... your just insane.

    let the games begin asshat mitch. I'll bet by the end of it I'll have all my teeth plus some of yours for my new leftard necklace. But just think of how much of a hit you'll be with the boys with your tender gums. maybe you can even get on the olbytard comedy hour.

    >

    You can't get much fouler than KO. Maybe Satan sent it.

    I must admit that the timing is suspect. This incident occurs only a few days after O'Reilly's book is released, too.

    I must admit that the timing is suspect. This incident occurs only a few days after O'Reilly's book is released,too.
    *******************************
    And after his interview with Bubba was upstaged by Chris Wallace's

    Geez, you guys are being naive.

    The whole incident is based on the word of one man, our own KO, and KO *ALWAYS* tells the truth doesn't he?

    Given the number of fake hate crimes reported over the years (remember Robert Downing attacking himself and saying the KKK did it?) we can be sure KO or some KOLooney probably did this.

    Second, KO reaction was funny.

    "I demand more medical tests, don't you know who I am? I'm KO, dammit!" This right after KO made fun of FOx for talking about death threats.

    Do you know how dangerous, rare, and expensive Anthrax is? Why would anyone who had Anthrax waste it on a TV talking head who is watched by 400,000 people that's 5 percent of the population of NYC.

    Assuming its true why would KO open a "suspicious" envelope? And would he think anyone with Anthrax would send it to an obscure, nobody, talking head?

    For the record this type of thing is,and SHOULD BE, not only illegal but unacceptable to everyone. I wouldnt excuse this as a prank between juveniles who knew each other.

    It accomplishes nothing and is costly to society. This type of thing takes away from our ability to fight real terrorism and crime.

    That being said, I thought KO was out of line ridiculling O'Reilly for his statement to B Walthers.

    I enjoy this blog quite a bit, but the crude,plain old nastiness from some of the bloggers is getting out of hand.

    It is OFFENSIVE!!!!!!! Would you creeps talk this way, or allow others, to talk this way in front of your mothers, grandmothers, daughters or wives?

    If Mr cox isn"t able to reign you in, I'll have to stay away.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "Would you creeps talk this way, or allow others, to talk this way in front of your mothers, grandmothers, daughters or wives?" It's OK all my relatives and frinds think olbertard is a real a--hole too!
    "If Mr cox isn"t able to reign you in, I'll have to stay away."
    don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out Ma'am.

    "Would you creeps talk this way, or allow others, to talk this way in front of your mothers, grandmothers, daughters or wives?" It's OK all my relatives and friends think olbertard is a real a--hole too!
    "If Mr cox isn"t able to reign you in, I'll have to stay away."
    don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out Ma'am.

    "Would you creeps talk this way, or allow others, to talk this way in front of your mothers, grandmothers, daughters or wives?" It's OK all my relatives and friends think olbertard is a real a--hole too!
    "If Mr cox isn"t able to reign you in, I'll have to stay away."
    don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out Ma'am.

    nice post RCox.
    some of the other posts belittle what you said, but you raise above it. thank you for your observation...at least this time.

    I think you guys misunderstood my point. I was referring to explicit sexual desrritions and some other useless terminology.

    KO is a clown in my book. And thats when Im feeling kindly towards him. But the descriptions of anal rape go too far for my taste.

    Can't you make a point without stooping to so so unfunny crap

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    nice post RCox.
    some of the other posts belittle what you said, but you raise above it. thank you for your observation...at least this time.

    I like how the NY Post writer managed to use the words - loudmouth, acerbic, and caustic, all in one story about KK.

    You are right anal rape would seem like (or cause) "unfunny crap". Freudian slip no doubt.
    unfortunately some of the folks here don't feel as benevolent as you do Grammie. My apologies if I offended a fellow olber-critic. Many of us here do not feel the the need to be sympathetic or even civil to such a moron as olbermann. Maybe if he was not so acerbic and nasty he might not get such vehemence launched at him. As they say- he drew "first blood" in all this so he rightfully gets all the venom he deserves.

    You've misunderstood the meaning of the term "Freudian slip." It's funny to see how fast you are to be rude to someone even before you know if they like or don't like Olbermann.

    You people are aware that death threats through the mail-even pranks-are a felony, right?

    Yeah, that's real funny-at the very least, Keith has some psycho stalker who KNOWS HIS HOME ADDRESS.

    I'd like to see how some of you would react. Regardless of how you feel about him personally, you can't deny that this is seriously fucked up.

    Its not Keith's acerbic and witty commentary or "Nastiness" that gets this much venom launched at him.

    It is the fact that he tells the truth about a failing president and his useless policies, manipulative lies and warmongering. A talking head has finally pointed out that the emperor has no clothes on and that challenges the narrow minded world view of these people.

    These people have to stoop to name calling because they cant take the truth.

    Dear riverdog

    If you had ever seen my round.. firm tifht little behind you would be ashamed to try to use it as an insult.

    But thats OK. Unlike some from these parts I dont use my ass to think, talk and smile with. If it gets bruised on the way out, no great shakes. However, if I were you I'd be careful to keep it out of harm's way

    Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie

    It will be amusing when the FBI catches the fat, bald, FAUX NEWS employee/viewer that sent Keith the powder.

    I'll laugh and laugh and laugh...

    LMAO!!! Will they release the 911 tapes???? Fathead got what he deserved... pooping in his pants!! LMAO!

    Funny, you wingnuts joke about Keith getting sent faux anthrax...that is a terrorist act & a serious offense.
    So ironic how some wingnut somewhere was like, "KO you liberal terrorist lovin' pussy...i'm gonna commit a terroist act to get back at you!"
    Uhhh, yeah ok.


    mitch,

    I consider Keith a leftist propagandist. I hold him in the same regard as Tokyo Rose. That he has a show is a sign of the times.

    I have no problem assuming that the jerk who pranked him is at Olby's level. Keith takes glee in others' personal misfortune, and if he could send soap flakes to O'Reilly or Bush withouth them knowing, you better bet he would.

    Sheesh, this is disgraceful. Olby get this scare, and O'Reilly and his friends at Fox gets the Al-Qaeda scare. Everybody just chill out, for cryin' out loud.

    Olby Watch:

    Considering who this was, and the hate and venom, and anti-Americanism, that he spews on a daily basis, I do find it a tad difficult to garner any sympathy for the Buffoon!

    Do I appreciate the "practical joke" played on him? NO!

    Would I do that to him? NO!

    Would I like someone to do that to me? NO!

    Isn't it a crime by the way, kinda like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater? If not, it should be!

    But anyway, isn't this the same Idiot, Olbermann, who when Santorum released the report the other month, about the "older" CW Shells found in Iraq, Olbermann spent his whole show pooh-pooh the old and degraded WMD's, and said that basically, if they were on his set with him, there would be no danger at all?

    This was the "tough" guy who was basically asking for someone to bring a "degraded" Sarin/VX shell on his program, to prove it was no threat!

    Then, he gets an envelope full of Soap Powder and he FREAKS! Hell, based upon his Sarin/VX shell bravado, I thought he'd take a BATH with the stuff!

    He sure doesn't sound like a reincarnation of the "Scud Stud" now!

    Nice points Dale. Olby ignores terrorism, and poo poo's chemical weapons. He acts like he's more afraid of global warming than sarin gas. Funny how all that changes when you are terrorized. And all that disdain for law enforcement and the FBI suddenly went out the window, didn't it? That guy is such a complete waste of space much less prime time cable airtime.

    Dale,

    You are right, he ain't the "scud stud," he's the "suds dud!"

    Still whining about the non-existent Iraq WMDs, Bushtards?

    KO Fan,

    Nice topic change -- typical "flight of ideas" so common in KO fans!

    I don't expect you to change your mind (what's left of it, that is), but try to read this:

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/8/112447.shtml

    "Is it really true that Saddam Hussein had no "stockpiles" of weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invaded in March 2003?

    Not exactly - at least not if one counts the 500 tons of uranium that the Iraqi dictator kept stored at his al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons development plant."

    Dale brought it up, moron.

    The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as "Amerithrax" from its FBI codename, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001 (a week after the September 11, 2001 attacks). Letters containing anthrax bacteria were mailed to several news media offices and two U.S. Senators, killing five people and sickening seventeen others.

    A prank? A joke? You really hate "Herr" O.(HERO) to such degree? Godwin's Law sez "You Lose, LOOSERS!"

    If you dont think that the piece by the NY Post was disgraceful, no matter which side of the aisle you might lean, then you have something wrong with you. Simple enough.

    First time here. I have to admit that it is pretty amusing to me to see the vitriol by both sides on just about every issue - or non-issue, for that matter - that comes down the pike. Amusing, because I would have to guess that the authors of sites like this one spend more time trying to criticize their target than their target actually spends doing his job.

    And as a former republican, i have to say that I'm embarrassed by the crowd that seems to be the current repub public. I imagine it feels about the same as selling the house that you grew up in, and then driving by it a year later to see the grass uncut, a sofa on the front porch, a rusted 1970's Monte Carlo sitting on three flats in the front yard, and the "family" of 7 sitting in lawn chairs in the front yard drinking Old Milwaukee while screaming at each other.

    And you can save your replies; I wont be back to read them. One visit to this place was enough.

    Ah, another one of the "I just happened to stumble upon this site and I'll never be back" crowd. A former Republican to boot(right). Then you decide it's time to go off on a tangent on current Republicans. If you think you're fooling anyone, forget it, your transparency shows. You got your orders from the DU/Kos crowd and you followed through. See ya on your next visit with your new name.

    KOFan

    #1. Dal did not bring up the presence of WMD's. He brought up Olby's smirky jerk response to chemical weapons. I know you have BDS (Bush derangement syndrome), hence you invent excuses to spout your talking points.

    Nice response to the article I posted for you. Seems you have Supratentorial Olberritis.

    corrections:
    above comment from KfK, Dal = Dale

    Where's your proof that this was a right-winger Kurt? Don't you think you might want to let the FBI conduct their investigation before leaping to conclusions?

    Doesn't Katie Tur, Keith's teen-age girlfriend, live in California? Hmmmmm.

    Get a clue folks! It is NOT a prank to send anything of a suspicious substance through the United States mail. It is important to remember that the incompetent Bush regime has still not brought to justice those responsible for the anthrax murders that occurred shortly after Shrub moved into the White House. All you terrorists need to realize that sooner or later the FBI will awaken from its coma and you will face serious jail time for your deeds.

    "Intelligent(ha!) voter" wrote:

    "Get a clue folks! It is NOT a prank to send anything of a suspicious substance[sic -- probably meant "of a suspicious nature"] through the United States mail."

    Well pal, I would hold off on that statement until your pal Olby is cleared of doing this to himself, because if he did do it, you will be crowing that it was all a prank! Again, I know this is a "conspiracy theory," but Countdown has influenced the way I analyze the news!

    No, it is a big deal. Whoever sent it was an a--hole and worse; Olbermann did the right thing to call 911 and doublecheck his own health.

    Olbermann's a jerk, sure. But the proper punishment for his jerkiness is commentary and disdain, not this sort of stuff, or anything close to it.

    Craziness abounds. Olbermann is assuming it was an attack by the "radical right" because of his "editorial stance" and last night hinted that the NYP may know more than they're saying:

    "It's interesting too that Murdoch's paper was able to get a jump on this story so quickly -- nearly as quickly, as if they'd known it was coming."

    Now I'd expect from this sort of reckless implication and the .0000000000000000000000001 degrees of separation Olbermann attributes to list of ne'er-do-wells --- (Rove, ABC corporate executives, Chris Wallace..). Afterall, though he's been feuding with NYP's Page Six types for months, according to Keith, the Big Wingnut Kahuna himself, with his "radical agenda" has it in for The Oracle.

    With that sense of perspective, I guess we can assume there's not a .000000000000000001 degree's difference between Olbermann's POV and that of Dan Abrams and the CEO of GE... but somehow I doubt it...

    However any suggestion that this is a publicity ploy by Olbermann puts you firmly along side the Tin Foil Man in the Land of Oz....I'd move quickly away from that company and that burg.

    Kfk-you ARE aware that much of the case against Tokyo Rose was trumped up and downright false? That she was stuck in a strange country and forced to take odd jobs just to survive? That the stress from the trial caused her to miscarry and destroyed her marriage?

    She was definitely the victim. Do some research.

    Kfk-you ARE aware that much of the case against Tokyo Rose was trumped up and downright false? That she was stuck in a strange country and forced to take odd jobs just to survive? That the stress from the trial caused her to miscarry and destroyed her marriage?

    She was definitely the victim. Do some research.

    Thanks for this article because if I had seen a different response, I would have seen your website as only a SMEAR site.

    That being said, all rebuttals to anyone should be limited to comments, not terroristic impulses.

    There is a bigger issue to confront and that is the possibility that other American entities (like the NY POST) do engage in or support terroristic impulses and disguise these deliterious impulses as reporting of the facts. The NY Post needs to send an apology to Olbermann and anyone else who might be threatened as a result of their recent disclosure of confidential intelligence information. The same should be done by Robert Novak who orchestrated the conservative hit job on Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, which undermined the US efforts in National Security. This is serious and journalists who obstruct our Nation's national security should be prosecuted against. While I believe in the importance of free speech, I also believe in the protection of American citizens. If common sense does not aid institutions like the NY Post and the like that employed Novak to understand the importance of national security, then in order to keep our nation more secure, the US needs to spell out the consequences for such divulgence of intelligence information.

    Organizations like that which are owned by Rupert Murdoch and like that which employs the likes of Robert Novak and Bill O'Reilly need to consider the followers they might spawn when advocating their opinions with terroristic actions. For example, Bill O'Reilly has on several occasions advocated terroristic actions against the UN (http://mediamatters.org/items/200509160007) and the people of San Francisco (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008).

    Thanks for this article because if I had seen a different response, I would have seen your website as only a SMEAR site.

    That being said, all rebuttals to anyone should be limited to comments, not terroristic impulses.

    There is a bigger issue to confront and that is the possibility that other American entities (like the NY POST) do engage in or support terroristic impulses and disguise these deliterious impulses as reporting of the facts. The NY Post needs to send an apology to Olbermann and anyone else who might be threatened as a result of their recent disclosure of confidential intelligence information. The same should be done by Robert Novak who orchestrated the conservative hit job on Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, which undermined the US efforts in National Security. This is serious and journalists who obstruct our Nation's national security should be prosecuted against. While I believe in the importance of free speech, I also believe in the protection of American citizens. If common sense does not aid institutions like the NY Post and the like that employed Novak to understand the importance of national security, then in order to keep our nation more secure, the US needs to spell out the consequences for such divulgence of intelligence information.

    Organizations like that which are owned by Rupert Murdoch and like that which employs the likes of Robert Novak and Bill O'Reilly need to consider the followers they might spawn when advocating their opinions with terroristic actions. For example, Bill O'Reilly has on several occasions advocated terroristic actions against the UN (http://mediamatters.org/items/200509160007) and the people of San Francisco (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008).

    Kfk-you ARE aware that much of the case against Tokyo Rose was trumped up and downright false? That she was stuck in a strange country and forced to take odd jobs just to survive? That the stress from the trial caused her to miscarry and destroyed her marriage?

    She was definitely the victim. Do some research.

    Kat wrote:

    "Kfk-you ARE aware that much of the case against Tokyo Rose was trumped up and downright false?"

    "Tokyo Rose" was a generic name given to the propagandists spewing lies over the airwaves, not just Iva Toguri. I am not interested in the trials and tribulations of the conduits for Japanese propaganda. I will correct myself, though. Keith is far WORSE than any of the women the Japanese used to read their propaganda, because Keith actually has a hand in writing the crap he reads.

    Da Bombz Diggity says Robert Novak owes The Wilson's an apology:

    "The same should be done by Robert Novak who orchestrated the conservative hit job on Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, which undermined the US efforts in National Security."

    Wrong. Joe Wilson's allegations that Plame's identity as a supposed undercover agent was exposed by Novak and White House oficials as revenge against him have been shown to be patently false. Your liberal friends at the WaPo have concluded as much and have also stated that more than anyone else, Joe Wilson is responsible for outing his wife. I guess since Orange Boy kept repeating to you that Novak "orchestrated the conservative hit job" and never retracted it after his wild accusations were (once again) shown to be false, you thought it was true.

    This is a deliberate strategy on the part of Orange Boy. Throw out wild accusations from the blue blogs, doesn't matter what it is, as long as it casts the Bush administration in a bad light, then when it turns out that additional information comes out to show the original accusation was wrong or incomplete, don't bother to correct the record, thereby leaving false impressions with gullible viewers like yourself thereby advancing Orange Boy's agenda of Bush hatred.

    It's a seriously illegal prank.

    That said I would not be a bit surprised if Olbe sent it to himself in a vain attempt to boost his virtually non existant ratings.

    It's a seriously illegal prank.

    That said I would not be a bit surprised if Olbe sent it to himself in a vain attempt to boost his virtually non existant ratings.

    I was disturbed by his insistence that it was because of his commentaries and that the perp just had to be a right-winger. The first thing any investigator will tell you is to never assume. But Olby likes to leap to conclusions and firmly believes in conspiracy theories so I don't know why I was so surprised to hear his claims that this was all made in an attempt to silence him.

    The facts of the matter, from what I read, and from what the original post notes, indicates that:

    A) KO had no interest in "more tests", but they were required by police/FBI procedure.
    B) KO was incensed not that he got a death threat attempt, but that a paper and journalist reported it after the FBI had requested that the story be silenced.
    C) KO leveled some (essentially baseless) accusations via implication at Rupert Murdoch and neoconservatives, and some very well founded accusations at the NY Post and that particular reporter - who essentially aided the terrorist who sent the package. (Yes, it's on the books as a felony, not a prank - that qualifies the sender as a terrorist, not a jokester.) On that particular matter I agree entirely with him - it is not permissable to go publicizing terror attacks that the FBI has requested silence on. When your country's law enforcement agency says they're trying to reduce the impact of terrorist activities and you perform actions completely contrary to their requests, you deserve our scorn, on that I agree with olby.

    Whether you dislike or worship olby, those are the facts of the matter. This was a felony, a terrorist act, and reprehensible.

    The fact that Olbyputz spent airtime preaching about the POST's behavior suggestes to me that, "he doth protest too much." It would not surprise me if this turns out to be a hoax. ESPECIALLY when I see Olbeyflake say two interesting things:

    1) "....the commentaries that obviously inspired the event I'm talking about..."

    2) "....terroristic threats from the Radical Right. We will not be intimidated here."

    Now, if there was a letter that came with the powder specifically saying the above, then it is telling that Olbygoon is not mentioning that fact. If, like he said, the FBI has requested he not talk about it, then why do this if not to play to the idea he was a victim of the radical right?

    This is getting sick! Olbyfool, (if this isn't a hoax put out by the narcisisstic news anchor), is just as insane as the fool who sent the powder by getting all puffed up and indignant about a short piece in The NY POST....Please, the twit is small potatoes, and he can't accept that truth.

    I hope the FBI catches the person (cough...Bilirubin Boy) or persons responsible so that we know our Olbyhunk is safe.

    Oh, by the way, isn't it interesting that ALL other TV news outlets (CNN, ABC, CBS and many other NBC news programs) mentioned the kidnapped FOX News People (with best wishes from what I saw) during their long abduction EXCEPT Olbydud....But if it is a crime against the man, the man gets it out less than 24 hours after being told NOT to discuss the case. Olbyliar is SOOOOOO disingenuous!


    KfK - I consider KO a minimal response to the hate spewed by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity,, O'Reilly, Coulter etc. Funny how upset the right becomes when someone they perceive to be on the left actually fights back.

    I have yet to see any intelligent response on this forum as to how what Olbermann said was wrong in any manner. I couldn't agree more with KO that Bush is a moral coward. I think he is a coward in every aspect of his life (although I'll give him some credit for apparently kicking his coke and booze addictions).

    And Riverdog, your posts are so irrelevant and inane that I'm not gonna spend one more second even reading them, let alone responding.

    it didn't take you long to discern that, mitch -- riverdog is the biggest idiot here, bar none.

    Mitch,

    Of course you would not "see any intelligent response on this forum as to how what Olbermann said was wrong in any manner," because you, (prima fascia), accept Olbermann's assumptions without thought. An example:

    Olbermann assumed in his commentary Monday night that the Clinton interview on FOX was a part of a planned strategy by Bush's "proxies." Evidence please!

    So, if I, as a conservative ask, "How does Olbermann know that Chris Wallace asked the question because he is part of a vast right wing conspiracy?" you respond by saying, "You are an unitelligent wingnut!" ***who is really not participating in intelligent debate?

    The serious posters here discuss points where Mister Olbermann manipulates facts or demagogues (my post about his fake disgust with The POST above is my current ciriticism of him).

    I think OLBERMANN WATCH is much better than many of the leftist blogs I have scanned over the years. With respect to this unpleasant episode with the Anthrax scare, hey, wasn't it Olbyputz that so quickly attacked O'Reilly when he mentioned he was concerned about Al Queda threats on his person? What's the difference?

    Well put Cee. Olbermann blamed Bush for Chris Wallace's question, and claimed Fox news was an elaborate right-wing smear machine beholden to Bush. In response: #1. This is pure speculation #2. It is dumb speculation #3. It is not the role of a "newsman" to make things up.

    Olby claims to be nonpartisan while lying and spewing leftist talking points. Mitch is too confused to see the problem with this, and so he should be pitied and ignored.

    With respect to this unpleasant episode with the Anthrax scare, hey, wasn't it Olbyputz that so quickly attacked O'Reilly when he mentioned he was concerned about Al Queda threats on his person? What's the difference?


    If you are talking about O'Reilly's interview with Barbara Walters, one possible difference might be the people around O'Reilly who flatly denied Bill's claims that he had been warned that he was on a hit list. These denials came from the FBI, his colleagues at FOX and other news anchors. If evidence turns up that Olbermann never received the letter he described, then he becomes fair game.

    With respect to this unpleasant episode with the Anthrax scare, hey, wasn't it Olbyputz that so quickly attacked O'Reilly when he mentioned he was concerned about Al Queda threats on his person? What's the difference?


    If you are talking about O'Reilly's interview with Barbara Walters, one possible difference might be the people around O'Reilly who flatly denied Bill's claims that he had been warned that he was on a hit list. These denials came from the FBI, his colleagues at FOX and other news anchors. If evidence turns up that Olbermann never received the letter he described, then he becomes fair game.

    Go ahead mitch don't read 'em, You left wingnuts can't understand common sense anyway.
    Grammie all i;ll say is that It is getting hard to tell whose side anybody is oin anymore witht eh leftards from kos and du spreading their slime herabouts. I tried the olive branch approach once with you for my reactionary response. Glad to hear about your tight little rump. I'll try to keep an eye on it.
    In regards to the alleged olbernuttjob soap powder attack all i can say is that this is unfortunately what this country is coming too. I am not justifying in any way, shape or form sending soap powder to someone in the mail that you disagree with. Unfortunately the politcal discourse has become so mean , so vindictive and venomous in America that one sided shows like olberloon's and even websites like this stir up some pretty strong emotions. As much as I despise olbermann and his left wingnut bias I don't think that giving the big lunatic more fuel for his anti conservative ranting is a good idea. E-mailing him at his show or MSNBC or countdown's sponsors and informing them of displeasure about olby's insanity is a much better idea.
    I think it will be alot more fun watching olby implode on national TV. Sooner or later he will get called on his left wingnut BS Just like Dan Rather did.

    Cee - I don't kow where you came up with your conclusion that I drink KO Kool-Aid because I haven't said one word about the merits of what KO said or didn't say.

    But trust me, I didn't need KO to convince me that Bush is a moral coward. I figured that out in less time than it took me to figure out that Riverdog is a moron.

    And I am not sure why if you think I called you an "unintelligent wingnut" because i certainnly did not.


    KfK - I suppose that Bill O'Reilly claiming to be "independent" and Sean Hannity claiming to be "fair and balanced" ring true in your little fantasy world? Gimme a break - I have not claimed that KO is non-partisan or that he is not leftist. I just want someone to argue against the merits of his contention that Bush is a moral coward in a manner that doesn't resemble an elementary-school-yard fight.

    And if either of you really want to cast aspersions as to who calls whom what on this forum let's just analyze the previous rambling, non-sensical, impossible-to-understand soliloquy posted by one of your very own in which the following words are used to describe KO, me and liberals in general:

    left wingnuts
    leftards
    olbernuttjob
    olberloon
    left wingnut
    big lunatic
    left wingnut

    Peace.

    "One of the most confounding things about the extreme wing of the Republican party is that it is comprised of a totally adamant sub-faction which wholeheartedly supports the current administration, and will continue to do so -- despite any empirical evidence that demonstrates political or military failures both at home and abroad. But when you look at the situation more carefully, such a confounding and unwavering support actually makes perfect sense.

    These are people who, like the administration, never did care much about the facts -- when compared to their agenda and faith-based goals. The extreme wing of the party, represented best by their leaders now in power, are the epitome of "unfree" thinkers who value, more than anything else, the end goals which they envision. As such, they literally do believe that their goals justify the very means to attain them. Even concerning the most extreme means, such as rendition and torture.

    As a result, you will never see wavering support from the radical wing of the party, let alone be able to involve them in a reasonable discussion -- precisely because they firmly believe that the means justifies the end. And with such "collective individuals", there can rarely be any meaningful discussion. Even if you point out to them that throughout history, like-minded powers that have agreed with their unempirical views have brought misery to the world in countless forms of totalitarianism and fascism."

    hey mitch - if the shoe fits........
    sounds to me like you only want kiethy boy on your playground.
    too bad you are toos stupid to see your own ignorance.
    liberalspeak for moron- anybody that kicks a liberals ass in a battle of wits
    bigot- anybody that disagrees with a left winger
    racist- what liberals always yell when they lose

    hey mitch you little hypocrite- O'reily,Hannity, even Rush has on opposing viewpoints and real guests who disagree ideologically with them. Tell me little fella can you name just one opposing view your hero the olbyloon has had on EVER?? JUST ONE????
    You may have reached for you liberal theasurus and used some mighty fancy words that i am sure you had to look up before you posted them here but here is little wake up for you in your liberal coma.
    under your parameters olbermann is a moral coward and schoolyard bully. Besides being a general chickenshit liberal mouthpiece olberman is whiny snot nosed little cry baby who cannot stand the light of dissent.
    i am still waiting for you (ahem) intelligent response as to when olbernuttjob (there is one ya missed!) EVER had a guest on that did not either kiss his ass or dissent and challenge him.
    looks like YOU mitch are the unitelligent wingnut and a left wingnut at that.

    Thank you anonymous for your brilliant rendition and impersonation of Al Franken, hugo Chavez, and of course the olbyloon.
    the only thing you left out of your very original diatribe is that Bush is the devil.

    Nicely said, Anonymous. A great example of how to fashion a cogent, rational arguement without resorting to name-calling or profanity.

    And I agree with you 100%. The main problem is that so many on both sides do not know the facts or the truth because they are too lazy to do their own research.

    Want proof? In April of 2004 a poll was taken that showed that 43% of the republicans polled believed Saddam Hussein was "personally involved" in the 9-11 attacks.

    I suspect Riverdog was among them.

    "too bad you are toos stupid to see your own ignorance."

    I just might be stupid enough to be unable to recognize my own stupidity, however you proudly wear your lack of mental prowess like a badge of honor.

    But thanks for the compliment about my use of them "mighty fancy words." It seems such a shame that you never took a shinin' to that crazy "book-lernin'" yer mommy warned you about so you could actually understand what I wrote.

    P.S." What exactly is a "theasurus?"

    that's nice now Anonymous is having a conversation with himself.
    I gues in your little liberal brain the only "name calling" as you so eloquetly phrased it counts whenit is conservatives doing it. You lefties can use all the nasty names you want because in your mind you are right. AH the smell of liberal hypocrisy. another liberal problem is that fact that they use polls that they devise to try and prove their points.
    that's one of the many differnces between the right and left. The left uses polls to guide and support their ideology the right uses principle and the definite difference between right and wrong to guide theirs.
    keep talking to yourself Anon maybe one side of you will concvince the other side that you are crazy.

    a theasurus is a large reptile that god created and then killed off during the great flood. It did not make it to modern day because Noah did not have room on the ark.

    that's nice now Anonymous is having a conversation with himself.
    I gues in your little liberal brain the only "name calling" as you so eloquetly phrased it counts whenit is conservatives doing it. You lefties can use all the nasty names you want because in your mind you are right. AH the smell of liberal hypocrisy. another liberal problem is that fact that they use polls that they devise to try and prove their points.
    that's one of the many differnces between the right and left. The left uses polls to guide and support their ideology the right uses principle and the definite difference between right and wrong to guide theirs.
    keep talking to yourself Anon maybe one side of you will concvince the other side that you are crazy.

    That was great Winterbear. I figured it had to be some sort of pre-historic reptile but I wasn't positive.

    Hey Riverdog - Anonymous was NOT having a conversation with himself. I posted after your incongruent (go ahead and look it up - we'll wait) aside and forgot to insert my name.

    Here's the poll URL if anyone cares: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/CBSNews_polls/pol.back.pdf#search=%22hussein%20poll%209%2F11%202004%22

    wow I looked up incongruous- incongruent in the liberal dictionary and it turned out to be their party platform.
    if maybe you could read you anonymous a--hole you could see that my vocabulary is about 100 times beeter than yours. I use the word several posts back on this site and use it constantly to describe liberal ideology- it right up there with hypocrisy.
    too bad you are too stupid to read. and No nobody cares about your see-bs link poll that I am sure supports you leftard ideology go look that one up a--hole.

    I'm not sure what is more disturbing about the NY Post article ... the disregard for facts, the disregard for common decency or that their cheap shot may compromise an investigation the FBI asked the details of which be kept on the DL. According to Olbermann's response, available online, it appears as if there were also others who received the same type of letters. It's a good read for anyone who is making the mistake of taking seriously the description of events offered by the Post.

    And those "facts" you cite, are those claimed by Olbermann as the truth. But as we all know here at Owatch, he has rather a nasty habit of lying. So why are you so sure the Post is the one doing the lying this time around exactly?

    I remember Mercyhurst college rounding up nearly 500 students for walking down a corridor where a hoax latter was opened. They were stripped, their clothes, cell phones and various other items were confiscated while they were forced to shower on site and dress in white jumpsuits, underwent nasal swabs and were given prescriptions of Cipro as a precaution while waiting for test results -- which take hours -- to finally come back. Authorities would have been negligent if they hadn't wanted precautions taken, such as proper medical testing. Is that what the Post is insinuating by claiming the victim of the hoax had to "insist" on being examined? Hate Keith or not, reporting a threat, especially one involving the possibility of a biological weapon, is the only smart way to handle a situation like that. It's pretty clear the Post attempted to spin the hell out of this one, complete with assumptions of his state of mind at the time and downplaying what an examination for a possible exposure to anthrax entails.

    So if the authorities really believed this was anthrax as he claimed on Wednesday night's show how come there was no mention whatsoever in any newspaper or media outlet in the NYC area of an entire apartment building or block being evacuated in NYC? That kind of thing would have made news of some kind, just as it does whenever there is a scare in DC or any city for that matter. Check the news, a similar incident happened at a conservative radio talk station in California earlier this week and the entire staff was confined to the station for many hours before the all-clear was given. Shouldn't the same thing have happened for Olbermann's building? There's something very fishy about this story if you ask me.

    You win River-dog. Your vocabulary is definitely at least 100 times "beeter" than mine. This is obvious in your use of such colorful, descriptive and imaginative language as "you anonymous a--hole."

    But let's not overlook your creative use of grammar and punctuation either. You are obviously one intelligent person. I'm guessing a PHD at minumum.

    Want some more guesses? I'm guessing that your parents were closely related to one another. I'm guessing that you and your mother may have been a little "too" close a time or two. And that your daddy was a drunbk who abused both you and your mother before dying at a young age.

    I'd also guess that in the past you have had homo-erotic desires which you are ashamed of. And worse - that you have acted on.

    How close am I, Riverdog? Or are you still too ashamed to admit what you really are?

    Mitch, you're an idiot. He's got broken bones and is recovering from an accident and typing is tough for him. But at least he can think and use his brain which is more than I can say for you.

    "How close am I, Riverdog? Or are you still too ashamed to admit what you really are"


    Yep...these are the people who really care about people!

    Yes Cecelia, these are the same people who object to anyone calling Olby "names" or ridiculing him in any way, shape, or form, but have no problem whatsoever with Olby making a living out of it. Their pathetic lives are filled with double standards and hypocritical thinking that they are apparently blind to.

    I never professed to care about one of you and I really don't care about Riverdog. In fact, i don't like Riverdog and am laughing my ass off that he has broken bones. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! And I guess being in an accident with broken bones made him such a prick as well?

    Come on Riverdog - how close ws i to the truth?

    Difference between O'Reilly mentioning threats by AlQaida and Olbermann mentioning powder prank: O'Reilly trumpeted it up himself, without provocation or correlation; Olbermann reluctantly responds to sarcastic NY Post article. Otherwise, who would've even known about it? I certainly woudn't have. Look at the timing?!! Well then maybe us lefty loons need to send the NY Post thank you cards for playing right into our hands. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!

    I mean come on. I would like to mention though that other than the headline "Stop Scaring Keith" the author of this site seemed genuine in his condemnation of the perpetrator of the prank. Chivalry is not yet dead.

    Thanks for proving my point there.

    Mitch,

    It was the liberal way of using the circumstances of the disinfranchised--- poor...uneducated....sexually abused... gay...etc.... as insult fodder against political opponents that lets everyone know just how deeply you feel about such folks...unless they cooperate by voting the same way you vote... Vote for Democrats....

    Brandon I am sure if I get in an accident and break some bones this afternoon you and Riverdog would be the first to deliver flowers to my hospital room right?

    Riverdog calls me an a--hole and other assorted names and you think I should give a rat's ass about his well being? Sorry. Truth be told I hope he takes a turn for the worse.

    Typing is tough for him???? That's funny. Combine that with how tough spelling is for him and he's really up the old proverbial sh*& creek huh??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


    POLICE ACADEMY 6: THE FUBAR LIBERATION

    BAGHDAD, Sept. 27 -- A $75 million project to build the largest police academy in Iraq has been so grossly mismanaged that the campus now poses health risks to recruits and might need to be partially demolished, U.S. investigators have found. The Baghdad Police College, hailed as crucial to U.S. efforts to prepare Iraqis to take control of the country's security, was so poorly constructed that feces and urine rained from the ceilings in student barracks. Floors heaved inches off the ground and cracked apart. Water dripped so profusely in one room that it was dubbed "the rain forest." "This is the most essential civil security project in the country -- and it's a failure," said Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an independent office created by Congress. "The Baghdad police academy is a disaster."





    Have you guys gotten around yet to swiftboating Stuart W. Bowen Jr., special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction?

    Actually, I would because while I might agree with Riverdog that you are indeed, an a--hole, you are still a human being (no matter how marginally it may be) and when someone is in pain and is suffering, yes, I do care. That would be the fundamental difference between you and I. You can apparently hate people you have never met, which says all I really need to know about you. While I have no idea how old you are, my guess is that you are either very young or exceedingly immature. Or both. Whichever the case might be, my prayer and hope for you is that one day you will realize that at the end of the day, no matter what our political beliefs are, we're all still human beings.

    Cecelia - I appreciate your comments, even though you and I don't see eye-to-eye. Yes, I am a liberal. And proud of it. And I am proud that there is someone out there like KO that is not afraid to take a stand against Bush and this administrationa and yell it from the roof-tops.

    But I am not one of those lay-down-and-surrender-when-challenged democrats that unfortuantely most of my cohorts seem to be. I'm sick and tired of turning the other cheek in the name of liberalism and compassion while conservatives run rough-shod over me and my party. That's why I am proud of KO. He's fighting back. He's fighting back with the truth and the neo-cons don't like it. So in true neo-con fashion they attack the messenger. (See, e.g., Richard Clarke, Joseph Wilson, John Kerry, Al Gore, et al.)

    I asked for anyone here to rebut as false any allegation KO made in his "moral coward" op-ed piece on MSNBC and instead of taking up that challenge the response has held true to the Rovian playbook: When confronted with adverse facts and reality, attack the messenger. Only this messsenger fights back. And the Bush minions don't like to be questioned or to have anyone fight back. Anyone who does is unpatriotic, or subversive, or aiding and abetting the enemy.

    The truth is that anyone who tries to quiet speech in the form of dissent or opinion in this country is the greater enemy of the state than any one of us who question the moral basis for getting us into the situations in which we now find ourselves.

    This entire thread started because someone thought that KO's right to express his opinion needed to be tempered because it didn't agree with their own. Their was even some agreement on this site that sending KO a white, powdery substance was a perfectably acceptable means of demonstrating opposition to his opinions. In fact one of you actually wrote that they hated KO (for his opinions) so much that they would "love to watch" him get "anally raped" by a group of men.

    You tell me who the greater enemy of the state is.

    I will say, however, that I am pleasently surprised by how long it's taken for the moderators of this forum to toss me out. Usually dissenting voices are quieted on right-wing sites with lightning speed.

    Right...Mitch... so why not imply that he belongs among the poverty stricken, uneducated, homosexual, and sexual abuse victims.... in order to insult Riverdog.... for not showing enough sensitivity to you and all the above!...

    It never fails that the "bleeding heart" only extends as far as the polling booth...

    Yet Brandon you support George Bush in his efforts to legaliz torture and rendition of suspected terrorists or enemy combatants.

    I don't hate you or Riverdog. I just think Riverdog is incapable of putting together an intelligent, coherent argument.

    And nope, you completely missed the mark on me. I am a 42 year-old white male. I am a commercial real-estate-development attorney who has been married - only once - to the same woman for 15 years and together we have two daughters. I coach my oldest daughter's softball team and until recently was an elder in my Christian, protestant church. Okay, so maybe I'm a little immature. But perhaps we're not as different as you might think.

    Mitch, oh sure.... you really care about the poor, uneducationed and otherwise disenfranchised people but WE forced you to expose yourelf as someone who wouldn't be caught dead with them...

    Cecelia you are right about my implying those things about Riverdog. I was trying to get a rise out of the 'dog and shouldn't have done it. Sometimes my desire to engage the witless in a battle of wits - purely for my own, selfish purposes of amusement - overcomes my sense of discretion.

    But here's a question for you: How come you question my Riverdog associations but haven't questioned the validity of Mr. Dog's assertion that I belong among the proctological class?

    Maybe, Cecelia, you should look into the mirror as well.

    Cecelia I certainly do care about the poor, the disenfranchised and the uneducated. I just don't care about Riverdog.

    Mitch,

    Oh, you've certainly made that clear....

    I'm sure the people you care about would be just thrilled to know that you think their status to endemic among those disdain.

    If you really cared about them then you wouldn't use their condition as fodder to insult your political opponents....

    "But here's a question for you: How come you question my Riverdog associations but haven't questioned the validity of Mr. Dog's assertion that I belong among the proctological class? "

    Well, Mitch, Riverdog has never couched his disdain for the "proctological class".... so assigning you there is no hypocrisy.

    Too there is the little matter that you are a perfect rectum.


    I am wrong and Cecelia is right.

    Cecelia is 100% right: Calling Riverdog a poor, uneducated, disenfranchised, latent homosexual is a terrible insult to poor, uneducated, disenfranchised, latent homosexuals everywhere.

    So I apologize to all of the poor, uneducated, disenfranchised latent homosexuals I may have offended by including Riverdog amongst your numbers.

    Mitch,

    They can tell...

    So if I actually hated the poor, uneducated, disenfranchised, latent homosexuals it would have been perfectly okay for me to include Riverdog among their ranks?

    Okay let me try this under your logic: Riverdog, you are a complete prick.

    Now I promise you that I have always hated complete pricks. So I assume that by your logic that you will defend my statement? Perhaps not the truthfulness or veracity thereof, but at least that I'm not being hypocritical?

    And here we have the neo-conservative credo: It doesn't matter if it's treu, as long as it's not hypocritical. Which is the very essence of what KO was pointing out in his "moral cowardice" piece on Bush.

    Mitch,

    Yes, it's true that you are what you are...and that is the case whether you have a ten figured income, are as heterosexual as Jack Nicholson, as cultured as Jorge Cano, as educated as Stephen Hawkings, and as gently raised as Beaver Cleaver...so you see I don't have to insult any socio-economic or minority group in order to tell you what you are... The factors you obviously consider to be indicative of poor character are only superficialities to me....

    No matter your outward circumstances... you ARE a perfect rectum.

    Mitch,

    Yes, it's true that you are what you are...and that is the case whether you have a ten figured income, are as heterosexual as Jack Nicholson, as cultured as Jorge Cano, as educated as Stephen Hawkings, and as gently raised as Beaver Cleaver...so you see I don't have to insult any socio-economic or minority group in order to tell you what you are... The factors you obviously consider to be indicative of poor character are only superficialities to me....

    No matter your outward circumstances... you ARE a perfect rectum.

    BUSH DEFENDS APPROACH TO WAR ON TERROR

    Denies He's In Denial

    WASHINGTON -- President Bush, delivering the latest in a series of speeches on the war on terrorism, admitted to setbacks in Iraq and Afghanistan on Friday, particularly in the training of police. But he predicted ultimate victory over resurgent Taliban and Al-Qaida forces and against terrorists everywhere. Bush also questioned critics who say his refusal to accept worsening conditions on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan is evidence of his living in denial, "I'm not living in denial," said Bush, "I'm living in Washington ... heh, heh, heh."




    So if you left-wing radicals are so sure you're right, and so sure that Bush is the sum of all evil and that Olby is the second coming of Edward R. Murrow, why is it that you hide behind the name "anonymous"? And have to use multiple "personalities" to "support" one another?

    and tell my why these SAPs like anonymous always refer to sexual organs and excretory organs??
    maybe that is just where their head like their ideology is or maybe they are just so fixated on their hobbies thay just can't help themslves .

    I have never hid behind an anonymous name. (Except for the mistake I made earlier when i forgot to enter my name into the "name" box, which I pointed out immediately afterwards). If you look under each of my posts it says "Posted by mitch at ......" And my name, is, in fact, Mitch.

    But tell me, how is "Riverdog" not an anonymous name?

    At least he has one name and one name only on this board and sticks to it, unlike you Olby-lovers who like to pose as mutiple personalities on this board so someone will think there's actually more than one of you out there.

    At least he has one name and one name only on this board and sticks to it,

    I'm sorry your right, having one name is quite the virtue... Riverdog, raise your head high! you have one name.

    "I'm sorry your right, having one name is quite the virtue... Riverdog, raise your head high! you have one name."

    Well, considering that riverdog was just one participant in an endless row with Colbert, O'Liely, and KWilliams, et al, involving the endless trading of accusations that the other is gay and a pedophile...not changing his name seemed like a step up from Slap O'liely and his threats-- which was the context of my remark...

    But it seems I'm wrong, riverdog is utterly fornicating pecans.

    , considering that riverdog was just one participant in an endless row with Colbert, O'Liely, and KWilliams, et al, involving the endless trading of accusations that the other is gay and a pedophile...not changing his name seemed like a step up from Slap O'liely and his threats-- which was the context of my remark...


    Riverdog made threats as well. But you are right he had one name. Well as far as you know I mean. It is possible he has 20 differnet names. Actually While we are on the subject have you any real reason to believe colbert or O'liely have used different names?

    "riverdog, just go fishing or something relaxing tomorrow. You're scaring us."

    And when was Riverdog NOT scaring you Cecelia? Homey has been a certified wingnut repression case from day one. The fact that he agrees with you on every issue-- where it is possible to derive some policy "issue" from his random hateful screeds -- is what should scare you.

    Friends, read back over the past day's posts. Read what part of J$ summaries you can before falling asleep. Now ask yourselves what the devil you are doing here.

    To my friends on the left, is this really an enjoyable way to spend your time, rattling the cages of the high-school cheerleaders club for a discredited party of lazy incompetents and moral relativists? Do you think your days are numberless? Do you think you are virtuous just because your enemy is brimfull of vice?

    To my friends on the Republican right, no amount of Rovian strawmanery can hide what your party has become. It is a sponge that has been squeezed dry. It was a flimsy vessel at it's peak, mostly puffed with Clinton-hate, then with lazy rhetoric, and fear. Now it is newly emptied and rapidly filling with the grifters and gutter-runnings that naturally flow to failed "movements." Your last refuge on every issue now is simple relativism: Yeah, we totally screwed up in Iraq, but Saddam was worse. No, we can't get Bin Laden even after 9-11, but Bill Cinton couldn't either. We have to stack people in naked pyramids and mock-execute them so we can be safe, but you can't say we're as bad as the terrorists. We fucked up Katrina, but the local people messed up too. Yeah, we tried to skin over hypocrisy and sexual predation until after the election so we could hold a seat, but Bill Clinton had sex with people too. And others have been as bad before. And besides, we were all mostly drunk.

    Just look at yourselves. Your party's best response is to excuse your failures by heightening fears and demonizing the opposition as terrorist sympathizers. And so here on OW, you put on your bowler hats and comb through the broad rhetorical statements of one of the lowest rated newsertainment casters on TV, looking for grammatical inconsistencies and hidden personal slights to your great decider, which apparently pose "the single greatest threat the media has to offer." Or at least, you imagine it might help elect more of these great Republican winners.

    By lending this weak aid and comfort to your trainwreck of a party instead of the strong medicine it needs, you are only prolonging it's decline and letting it drift further from traditional conservative values. You don't have to spend one more second of your time with this counterproductive waste.

    I do my share of cage rattling; we all do. but if you hang around long enough, once in a while an honest debate breaks out.

    "Actually While we are on the subject have you any real reason to believe colbert or O'liely have used different names."

    I was defending O'Liely during that conversation...but to answer your question, oh my goodness...yes.

    You're scaring us, EBTO....


    I was defending O'Liely during that conversation.

    You're right my bad.

    Dear Cecilia, Had one of the grandkids this weekend and just kind of piddled around on the internet.
    These sites are tending to get so far off point you need a program to tell where you are. I think I was at 18 Seconds and maybe CWKO on 09/27 or 09/28. I lose the message I have entered if I go back to verify something.
    At any rate, I had a little contretemps with a guy calling himself Kulture of the Klan. My response to him included Hey Doofus. That was yesterday.
    When I finally crawled onto the web this morning I noticed a post by you on the vertical bar to the right of the screen. Since I always enjoy your comments, I went there and scrolled way back and saw you had used Hey Doofus to a similar post.
    That let me to posting a little screed decrying the fall into the indefensible pure vulgar nastiness.
    In that same post, I asked about my suspicion of shennigans on this blog about who is who. Not long after I see there has been a long back and forth about this since yesterday.
    My personal opinion is that there needs to be a gate keeper of sorts. I know, I'm the new kid (fancy that, me being a kid)on the block. Sometimes a fresh eye can add bit of insight. I linked back to a post from last year yesterday. Read all the comments and there was only one short one that was irrelevant and vulgar.
    Janet Hawkins
    AKA grammie

    Janet,

    I continued using your label "doofus" for yesterday's troll because it fit perfectly.

    Someone posted under the name "doofus" or "hey doofus" but that certainly wasn't me. I've never done that and wonder why anyone would find it necessary. It's not like 99.9% of posters here could pick anyone but Bob out of a police line-up (not that you'd be in one, Bob... :D )no matter what name we use. Beats me why folks do that.

    But anyway, as the gatekeeper thing goes, that's up to Bob.

    I don't think there's any action though that would keep posters here from having to operate under the old slogan of "buyer beware".

    Erie Bob says:

    "Now ask yourselves what the devil you are doing here [on OlbermannWatch]. To my friends on the left, is this really an enjoyable way to spend your time, rattling the cages of the high-school cheerleaders club for a discredited party of lazy incompetents and moral relativists?"

    EB, you are like Norm from Cheers sitting on a bar stool nursing your beer and giving a drunken lecture about why is everyone wasting their time at the bar. Other than Colbert, you are here more than just about any other pro-Olby poster. What's the deal? Have you suddenly discovered that all the effort you have expended to attempt to rebut us clear thinkers and to defend your Nazi saluting hero has been so much "wasted days and wasted nights"? Now you are here delivering your jeremiad from on high, declaring the meaninglessless of participating in this discussion of the fraud and deception that is the nightly ritual of His Orange-ness? Does that mean you have decided to sign off so soon after lobbying so frantically for the title of King Olbyloon?

    If I ever go onto some blog board and start appealing to everyone to leave the site and then appealing to liberals to leave their party, I hope someone either sends me to some deprogramming camp or gets me started on some psychotrophic medication.

    "You're scaring us, EBTO...."

    I only wish I was.

    " Now you are here delivering your jeremiad from on high, declaring the meaninglessless of participating in this discussion of the fraud and deception that is the nightly ritual of His Orange-ness? Does that mean you have decided to sign off so soon after lobbying so frantically for the title of King Olbyloon?"

    No, I'm not going to "sign off," not while there are still souls to save here. You will note that I have never stooped to the level of discussing the things that Olbermann does or does not say, nor the things that J$ says Olbermann does or does not say, nor the way he says them, what he wears while he says them, who he dates, what color he is, none of that. I don't watch Olbermann or make arguments from behind a straw man. My participation here takes three forms:
    1. Debating actual political opinions held by actual people, in which I limit myself to responding to ascerbic but intelligent, if shortsighted, folk like Robert and Cecelia.
    2. Debunking in general this site, which claims to be an independent minded obsessive watchdog on a single newsertainment caster, but in reality is a cheerleading section for the failed Republican leadership. Also exposing the hyper-hipocrisy involved in peppering Olberman with this mud that you piggies are rolling in.
    3. (related to 2) Trying to free intelligent people like Matticus Finch (my great success story) from wasting their time here if they are going to seriously engage in the phony-obsession.

    Unlike you Republicoxers, we Olberloons do not require or desire a "king." Even when we are confronted with the greatest threat the media has to offer, the dispirited, discredited, time-wasting shenanegans of you Olberphobic phonies, we maintain the high ground of liberal democratic priciples.

    "...I hope someone either sends me to some deprogramming camp."

    Whoo hoo! Looks like I am making progress.

    Hey Cecelia, how do you feel about the U.S. using torture?

    "Even when we are confronted with the greatest threat the media has to offer, the dispirited, discredited, time-wasting shenanegans of you Olberphobic phonies, we maintain the high ground of liberal democratic priciples."

    Well, there's got to be some truth in that since none of the other Olbyloons have paid you the least bit of heed.

    Although you are chief olbyloon you don't speak for them, so you shouldn't use "we" unless there's a mouse in your pocket or you're just glad to see...unless there's a mouse in your pocket.

    I think you're a control freak. Reading words that you haven't typed and you haven't edited makes you frustrated and you feel that way every time you come here but you can't stop.

    I'd suggest getting your own blog to control with an iron hand, but I'm not sure that would help you either. You'd still be concerned about all those other sites with all those other folks doing and saying what they shouldn't.

    Maybe my lecture sunk in. Or you are waiting for me to leave so you can go back to your Republican denial-fest without being constantly reminded of your self destructive behavior.

    "I think you're a control freak. Reading words that you haven't typed and you haven't edited makes you frustrated and you feel that way every time you come here but you can't stop."

    Well, you have some fine psychological theories there Cecelia. So tell me now, how do you feel about the U.S. using torture? Er, let me recast that in a way that you will understand. Olbermann says torture is bad because he loves terrorists. What do you think?

    Erie Bob,

    If it's loud music, sleep deprrivation, hypothermia, sensory deprivation, and waterboarding .....with enemy combatants who are of particularly high importance then I'd okay those techniques.

    I'd like this country to have a discussion of what techniques are "torture" and off-limits and finally about some sort of panel composed of the military, intelligence committee members, etc. set up to make such judgements about prisoners.

    However, any sort of discussion is quite impossible at this point because of the demagoguery, finger-pointing, and partisan politics that it incites.

    "Er, let me recast that in a way that you will understand. Olbermann says torture is bad because he loves terrorists. What do you think?"

    See what I mean.

    "let me recast that in a way that you will understand. Olbermann says torture is bad because he loves terrorists. What do you think?"

    This before I could get through typing a reply.

    See what I mean...

    You see Cecelia, that is why I will never lose hope for you. But are you aware just how far you differ from the administration on this issue? Do you support this bill that just went through, that pretty much ends the discussion you think we should have and the chances for the solution you aim at, with this formulation: The president will decide what torture is, who can be tortured, for how long, where, who ever knows about it, and what the legal rights are for people who have been tortured.

    "...what techniques are "torture" and off-limits..."

    I understand your meaning. I'm still impressed with how infrequently you will ever see today's Republicans use the word torture, in any context, without putting quotation marks around it so that everyone understands that there is "torture" and there is torture, and while we "torture" we do not torture. We use techniques. Orwell would be proud.

    We torture.

    I don't know how flatly I can state something and still be accused of being "Orwellian"....

    You see the quotation marks because I don't think sleep deprivation, hypothermia, loud contant music ARE torture. Waterboard is torture.

    So if we use waterboarding, yeah we use this torture as an interrogation technique in some cases.

    We torture. Give up on me yet?

    Go ahead and stick around my little Olbyloon buddy, but remember...who's zooming who...

    "If it's loud music, sleep deprrivation, hypothermia, sensory deprivation, and waterboarding .....with enemy combatants who are of particularly high importance then I'd okay those techniques."

    I think this is how a lot of people feel about it. I think there are serious problems with this that bespeak the fact that most people have not thought this through. Maybe you have. First, how do you know that someone is an "enemy combatant" or "of particularly high importance." The whole reason for torture is that you don't know what the person you are torturing knows--and often it is a basic question of who they really are. You may gloss this over by suggesting that some "panel" can determine that (even though that is now out of the question in U.S. law.) I submit no panel of mortals could determine that in most cases.

    Second, some of the techniques sound innocuous enough untill you combine them with indefinite and unknown repetition. If repeated long enough, most of the "techniques" you list above would have people begging for you to kill them. If you are doing something that makes the person you are doing it to beg to die, then you have crossed the line into subhuman behavior. The fact that you are doing it with things that sound innocuous only makes it worse in my mind, by making it dishonest in addition to being barbaric.

    "You see the quotation marks because I don't think sleep deprivation, hypothermia, loud contant music ARE torture. Waterboard is torture."

    I did assume that was what you meant (although there was no way to tell whether you thought any of them were torture without the quotes). You don't use that word without the quotes anywhere. Republicans almost never do.

    "We torture. Give up on me yet?"

    Nope. Are you calling your president a liar then? Or do you just have a difference of opinion on the whole "torture" torture thing?

    "Go ahead and stick around my little Olbyloon buddy, but remember...who's zooming who..."

    I'm not a fan of pop music. Can you translate this into English, or is it just a meaningless statement to make me the gullible little lefty Gilligan to your fat Republican Skipper act?

    Erie Bob,

    If I used the logic that would have me using the term "liar"...then I'd have to call you that if you disagree that hypothermia is not torture. "Liar" as opposed to being mistaken...hideously mistaken...evil... however you'd formulate it.

    If Bush doesn't classify that as "torture"...then I'd say we have a difference of opinion. However, we both agree its a technique that can be used.

    "I'm not a fan of pop music. Can you translate this into English, or is it just a meaningless statement to make me the gullible little lefty Gilligan to your fat Republican Skipper act?"

    I thought Republicans would be characterized as the rich superficial Howells, but too Skipper was always was turning around and running smack into Gilligan.

    "I thought Republicans would be characterized as the rich superficial Howells, but too Skipper was always was turning around and running smack into Gilligan."

    No way, not anymore. The salient Republican characteristic now is incompetence and a kind of fat and lazy aquiescence that is only broken by clumsy hysterics at Gilligan lefties, the later mostly for entertainment's sake and to get everyone to forget that Skipper wrecked the boat. But for the analogy to be complete, the Skipper would have had to go around smashing all of the professor's experiments because they might anger the island's gods.

    As for the "coercive techniques." Any thought on whether sleep deprivation is torture if it goes on for an indefinite period of time, as is allowed now? How about inducing hypothermia every day for the next 1231 days? Again, if people are begging you to kill them, isn't what you are doing torture and not "techniques" anymore?

    You moral relativists really get yourselves into some grey areas. There was a time when Americans didn't talk this way in their global conflicts. There was a time when Americans used to win.

    "No way, not anymore. The salient Republican characteristic now is incompetence and a kind of fat and lazy aquiescence that is only broken by clumsy hysterics at Gilligan lefties, the later mostly for entertainment's sake and to get everyone to forget that Skipper wrecked the boat. But for the analogy to be complete, the Skipper would have had to go around smashing all of the professor's experiments because they might anger the island's gods."

    No such difficulties with Gilligan analogy. He blew every chance they had to get off the island... AND the others had to constantly rescue him from cannabals and crocodiles.

    Too Ginger and Mary Ann would have most lonely and...unhappy... were anything to happen to ole Skipper and the libertarian Prof.

    "Again, if people are begging you to kill them, isn't what you are doing torture and not "techniques" anymore?"

    I think we'd have to come to judgements and decisions based on specific situations. But that sort of dialogues has been ruled out.

    "You moral relativists really get yourselves into some grey areas. There was a time when Americans didn't talk this way in their global conflicts. There was a time when Americans used to win."

    Well, you know "plausible deniability" ruled in those days....

    I'd say here comes the high horse but I detect a whole herd coming on.

    Check!


    "No such difficulties with Gilligan analogy. He blew every chance they had to get off the island... AND the others had to constantly rescue him from cannabals and crocodiles."

    As I recall, Gilligan relied on nothing but honesty, highmindedness, and simplicity and was at least the inadvertant hero of 90% of the episodes. But people who constantly start off sentences with "Too," may see it differently. Prof as libertarian? That seems atypically random.

    "I think we'd have to come to judgements and decisions based on specific situations. But that sort of dialogues has been ruled out."

    Yes it has, for now, in practice. The Republicans just passed a rushed bill to ensure that sort of dialogue would be ruled out and instead turned into a Rovian campaign club. And Republican sheep continue to chew their Olberman cud...oh, this is just how the world works...nothing can be done...oh the partisanship...

    "Well, you know "plausible deniability" ruled in those days....

    I'd say here comes the high horse but I detect a whole herd coming on.

    Check!"

    Ick. I really think it's pretty sad that you guys are so glib on this issue. This really is your approach now. You don't want to talk about it, you want to imply it was always this way (it wasn't), you want to say nothing can be done because of the partisanship (bull, you just crammed through a bill on it in record time) and then you check out. You call insistence on the strength of our traditional values over short-sighted knee-jerk situational morality a "high horse?" What the hell happened to you?

    "I think we'd have to come to judgements and decisions based on specific situations."

    O.K., do you know about any of them? Are you allowed to know about any of them? Have you looked into it? How about the specific situation reported on by Rolling stone of the 16 year old that has been in permanent detention and torture since his capture. A lot of details there. You want to comment, or are you afraid that might entail a high horse your moral relativism does not allow you to climb?

    Erie Bob says:

    No, I'm not going to "sign off," not while there are still souls to save here. You will note that I have never stooped to the level of discussing the things that Olbermann does or does not say. . .

    Your choice of the verb "stooped" is intesting here, EB. Clearly you wish to convey the message that you view criticism of Olbermann as an unworthy activity, that all who come here to comment on his performances on MSLSD are wasting thier time. Whether or not you genuinely believe this or whether you are trying to convince others of a proposition you know to be false simply because you want to stem the tide of Olbermann criticism because you don't like it, is a mater of speculation. What is not a matter of speculation is that those who weigh in on this website to act as a counterbalance for the false and fraudulent propaganda that spews forth on a nightly basis from Olbermann are performing a good and necessary oversight function.

    If it weren't for some of the keen observers here, the Nazi salute that Olberman fired off in public, this incident would have probably never received the heightened publicity that it has received, resulting in a public reprimand from the ADL;

    If it weren't for the keen observers here, the hateful and threatening e-mails that Olby sent to his detractors instructing them to "Kill yourself" and "F*ck your mother" would have probably not seen the light of day or at least would have well below the radar screen of media scrutiny.

    Even though Olby attracts a tiny audience, the spinning media has uncritically lapped up Olby's overstated claims about the poularity of his show and his unhinged and irresponsible smears against O'Reilly (the "supports Nazis" bit in particular). I guess I see why you don't want us to challenge Olby, EB. You would rather see the record go uncorrected and for the posters to websites such as OlbermannWatch believe that they are "wasting their time"

    I wonder how much you would object if there were a website that attacked the foibles of Rush Limbaugh such as his addiction to prescription medicine. Would you have a problem with that? Would you go to such website, being as pure as you are on this issue EB, and lecture those folks about being a "cheerleading section" for the "Democratic leadership" and "exposing the hyper-hipocrisy involved" in peppering Limbaugh "with this mud that you piggies are rolling in."

    Let's get real-- you wouldn't mind at all if a website set up shop to attack Republican policy issues and to attack the foibles of those conservatives you disagree with. It's only when we point out the fraud and deception of Olbermann on a nightly basis do you emerge in your silly self righteous mode and start channeling Paul Revere in your infantile fantasy world-- "the right wingers are coming, the right wingers are coming!!"

    Here's a message buddy. Don't like the treatment that Olby is getting here?-- tough. Do we engage in some parody, mocking Olby and his outlandish behavior? Sure. Olby mocks us we'll mock him back.

    Like you liberals like to tell those who object to the content of TV shows with lots of violence and sex-- don't like what you see, flip the channel

    "If it weren't for some of the keen observers here, the Nazi salute that Olberman fired off in public, this incident would have probably never received the heightened publicity that it has received, resulting in a public reprimand from the ADL;

    If it weren't for the keen observers here, the hateful and threatening e-mails that Olby sent to his detractors instructing them to "Kill yourself" and "F*ck your mother" would have probably not seen the light of day or at least would have well below the radar screen of media scrutiny."

    Ah, what an impoverished world you portrey, you champion of journalistic integrity. Imagine, if those emails saying fuck your mother were not public domain but remained in private email. Imagine if we didn't have the joy of seeing a Nazi salute day in and day out.

    To be honest, I can't make head nor tails of the rest of your little time waster. Find a hobby. Read about the ethics and morality of torture. Hell, go sign up for a Republican campaign. But don't bother with the phony "journalistic watchdog" thing. You want to elect Republicans, but you don't want to argue policy. Plain and simple. So I call you on your bullshit and you whine that I'm not calling some fictitious Rush-Limbaugh watch site on their fictitious bullshit? The theme for today children? Moral relativism and it's relationship to hipocrisy.

    ""the right wingers are coming, the right wingers are coming!!""

    No, they're already here. Have been for way too long. Just about done though.

    "As I recall, Gilligan relied on nothing but honesty, highmindedness, and simplicity and was at least the inadvertant hero of 90% of the episodes."

    The transformation of childishness into virtuousness.

    Suitable for TV Land...

    EB says:

    " Ah, what an impoverished world you portrey, you champion of journalistic integrity. Imagine, if those emails saying fuck your mother were not public domain but remained in private email. Imagine if we didn't have the joy of seeing a Nazi salute day in and day out."

    Apparently the character and integrity of those like Olbermann who claim to be non political presenters of the news is of no concern to you. Olbermann's lack of character and integrity is, in my opinion, shockingly appalling. Because so many liberals present Olby's deceptions as objective truth, it does matter that such be confronted and rebutted. You seem to disagree and thus, we part company on this issue.

    You know nothing of my contributions to policy discussions on this board, so you are best advised to hold your tongue on matters you know nothing about, but that does not seem to be your strong suit.


    "....so many liberals present Olby's deceptions as objective truth"

    Maybe you believe this. Self deception knows no bounds. Or maybe you're a big phoney.

    "...shockingly appalling."

    Sorry, I mean a big hysterical phoney.

    "you are best advised to hold your tongue on matters you know nothing about..."

    Thanks for the advice. My advice to you is to get some Republican flyers and start papering car windshields.

    "The transformation of childishness into virtuousness.

    Suitable for TV Land..."

    The transformation of a stupid silly lark into a seriously stupid point, and simultaneous transformation of a serious point into silence.

    Suitable for Cecelia...

    We now take you back to your regularly scheduled, very adult phoney watchdog Republican shill fest.

    Canape, my dear fat Situational Morality fat Skipper?

    Sure, my angry, long-suffering, controlling little buddy.

    And just to make you happy, I'll ask that it be the the pinkies of captured Muslim teenagers, then I'll burp bloodthirstily and be done.

    Like I said, there's no where to go from here.

    In an earlier post I stated:
    "....so many liberals present Olby's deceptions as objective truth"

    EB replied:

    "Maybe you believe this. Self deception knows no bounds. Or maybe you're a big phoney."

    Oh, I see. Apparently EB isn't very good at heeding the advice I gave him about holding his tounge on matters that he doesn't know about. Another piece of advice EB-- don't ask a question that you don't know the answer to (or don't advance a proposition that you're not sure whether you are right or wrong).

    Because you are most assuredly wrong when you state that I am a "big phoney" or that I am engaged in "self deception" when I assert that liberals present Olby's deceptions as objective truth.

    Here's one example:

    "Coincidentally or no, Olbermann's household numbers are up 73% in the first two weeks of September from August."

    I just think maybe I'm first in voicing skepticism of the administration that's been irrationally muted."

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyID=2006-09-19T075408Z_01_N19319823_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-OLBERMANN-DC.XML&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2

    These are Olby/MSLSD lies fed to compliant media suck ups. Olby's ratings don't even approach the gains he claims and the notion that critics have been "muted" is laughable. Just pick up any NYT, WaPo, LAT, the blue blogs, MSM and on and on and observe the "muted" criticism of this administation. But, hey if Olby says it's muted and he is the first out of the gate to challenge GWB then who's gonna challenge it? Certainly not the reporter in the story linked above.

    Or how about this?

    "Olbermann's four "special comments" since Aug. 30 have driven ratings up 33% to 495,000. "

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/mediamix/2006-09-24-media-mix_x.htm

    No, this is a lie as well. Assuming you know how to navigate this site, EB, you can readily find the data that sets the record straight on this matter.

    So, EB do a little research before you show your ignorance.


    "And just to make you happy, I'll ask that it be the the pinkies of captured Muslim teenagers, then I'll burp bloodthirstily and be done."

    I honestly find your glib and humourous treatment of torture disgusting. Your only defense is that you must really believe this stuff doesn't happen.

    "Like I said, there's no where to go from here."

    Nope. Not for you. Because you want to look the other way and change the subject on this one. Oh, sorry, there is that high horse again.

    Hank.

    honestly find your glib and humourous treatment of torture disgusting. Your only defense is that you must really believe this stuff doesn't happen.

    "Like I said, there's no where to go from here."

    Nope. Not for you. Because you want to look the other way and change the subject on this one. Oh, sorry, there is that high horse again.

    Well, of course there's your high horse again.
    It's emblematic how impossible the issue was to debate in congress by the fact that it's all too easy to turn a blog board into a grandstand, let alone congress. The subject matter certainly lends itself to that. Who is "for" torture any more than someone is "for" aborting an eight month old fetus--- and the fetus isn't plotting our deaths...

    Too...I don't deny that abuses could, have, will...happen...however you frame it up. Is it going to change the basic dynamics of our conversation if I argue that had it been able to be debated in a logical manner that there'd be less possibility for abuses? Would it matter if I discussed some of the fallout from the Supreme Court ruling on enemy combatants and the Geneva convention. If I talk about how I dont want things like hypothermia, sensory deprivation or overstimulation, sleep deprivation, etc... to be off the table for high dollar prisoners is that going to make me anything but a scroundrel to you?

    Listen, I've too much experience on this blog board not to know that abortion, affirmative action, and now this, are subjects that are just going to end up being an opportunities for posturing.

    You're far more politically oriented than I am. I'd never consider going to a leftwing blogboard in order to tell Democrats they were members of the wrong party. I'm not feeling that...as Bob Dylan says... I'm just not THAT political.

    Call it silence...call it avoidance...whatever... but go find someone equal to your partsanship to discuss this particular topic with you. Then oil up your exclamation mark key and have at it.

    But frankly I don't find you moral in any deep sense, I don't find you compelling or thought-provoking and I don't find you to be anyone I'd trust to make a hard decision when a hard decision was needed.

    No, little buddy, I merely find you to be a very angry boy.

    Cecelia, let's be clear. You don't care. So we'll drop it. But the line that it can't be discussed is simple bullshit. Go back over the conversation. You sabotaged it to fit your preconceived notions of how the conversation was supposed to go. You wanted to drop out when it was calm and reasoned...still claiming it simply couldn't be discussed, then you deliberately tried to provoke me to anger by joking about how you would serve muslims fingers as canapes. I don't think it's funny. It does make me angry. That's not a posture it's how I feel.

    You don't think it matters. You don't think anything can be done. You think a moral high horse just ruins everything and you need to stop the conversation and run for an Olbermann cocktail.

    "Is it going to change the basic dynamics of our conversation if I argue..."

    Would any of those points have made a difference? Yes. And they would have been debated. If you want to drop it, drop it. Don't make a childish joke and then claim it can't be discussed because I don't laugh at it. Don't portrey me as overly emotional when you've gone out of your way to turn things that way.

    "But frankly I don't find you moral in any deep sense, I don't find you compelling or thought-provoking and I don't find you to be anyone I'd trust to make a hard decision when a hard decision was needed."

    See, that is really usefull Cecelia. Thanks. Where does that fit in your points about posturing and not being able to have conversations. I'll keep in mind that someone who knows nothing about the issue, doesn't want to know about it, and knows from long experience that it just can't be discussed doesn't want to trust me to make a "hard decision" for her. You keep in mind that

    "I've too much experience on this blog board..."

    might just be one of your problems. You are too intelligent for this crap.

    Hank said: "........you are best advised to hold your tongue on matters you know nothing about, but that does not seem to be your strong suit."

    What a dick you are Hank. Where do you get off telling anyone to hold their tongue? And was that supposed to be some sort of implied threat against EB? I mean, what if he continues to ignore your advice, Hank. What are you gonna do then tough guy?

    Keep going EB - you're making me proud!!