David Kuo on George Bush:
"I have deep respect, appreciation, and affection for the president. No one who knows him even a tiny bit doubts the sincerity and compassion of his heart. Likewise, the people around the president are good and caring people. I know this firsthand because I experienced it during a health crisis in my own life when their kindness was evident."

Didn't watch Olbermann this evening but my guess is that he didn't cite this quote, did he?

SMG

Leave it to Olby to make abusive comments about a woman whose son has just died. What a mensch.

Oh, Olby you NEVER selectively pull quotes or video clips to push your demented libnut agenda. No, that never happens. HA!

The Bush quote - you're either with us or against us (paraphrasing) - came right after 9/11 and was specifically directed at those NATIONS that either supported or financed terrorists or allowed terrorists to operate from their territory.

It was NOT directed against Americans who opposed his policies. It was aimed at those NATIONS that in the past had implicitly or explicitly supported terrorists.

For some reason, this quote has been completely wrenched from its context.

Not surprising that Olbermann wrenches it about a far as human beings can do it.

SMG

the olberkook comedy hour and free democrat advertisement tonight
1 try and drive a wedge in the republican party
2 defend the nutty and incoherent ted turner
2 degend ted kennedy's drunken driving and subseuent dead girl coever up
3 pig races!! (also see 2&3 above)
4 of course bash five people on the "worst person in the world" olbermann enemies list for daring to show ted turner for the unmitigated a--hole that he is
5 and of course olberman had is favorite fag-toad michael musto comment on something he obviously knows NOTHING about heterosexual sex.
having fag-toad musto comment on heterosexual sex is , well like olbermooney commenting on ANTYTHING to do with common sense.
good job olbermann!! you have finally reached the pinnacle of your carreer in which you finally attain the fusion of looking as dumb as you are and as you sound.

How much you want to bet that if Kuo did accept KO offer to appear KO would change his mind?.. because he couldn't take the chance the guy might not play by KO's rules..which are "agree with everything I say".and since the guy has said nice things about Bush and company theres a good chance that could happen.

I'm a democrat but will have no choice but to vote republican. My party has lost it's way.

It has been painfully obvious that Olby's focus on the Kuo book is directed at trying to get the "Religious Right" to stay home on election day. There could be no other reason for his segments on the book, with out the author even appearing.

Think about it. Olbermann, and the blue blogs he panders to, hate the religious right. They routinely attack the beliefs and intelligence of Evangelical Christians. They heap scorn on them for disagreeing with abortion and evolution. They call them wack-jobs, and worse.

Now, Olby is springing to the defense of Evangelical Christians, looking out for their best interests by letting them know just how bad the evil Mr. Bush and his cronies treat them. If they are such second class citizens as the left likes to act, why not let them be abused by the evil Repubs?

Because their support turns elections. If the religious right comes out in force on election day, as they did in 2004, their will be no Democrat takeover. And KO can't have that.

What did Keith have to say about Harry Reid's latest scandal? You know, the one where he made land deals with a lobbyist he helped make rich through his personal interventions in Congress? You know, the scandal he refused to talk to the AP about, and is now trying to come clean on YEARS after the fact? I missed the show , and I love it when Olby takes these criminals to task in his non-partisan way (you know Olby doesn't vote, which shows he is unbiased). Can anyone fill me in?

I didn't have the 'pleasure' of seeing the whole hour but I'm gonna assume that Harry Reid's situation wasn't even mentioned. Were he Republican though, that'd be different. I did, however, catch the WPOTW segment and boy was it funny to watch. I normally expect Olby to name 3 individuals whom is on his hit-list, but apparently KTO decided that 3 of his dissenters was inadequate and decided to name 5. O'Reilly(of course) was named again, making it 3 times now since this week began. Since when did Keith start defending Ted Turner. CNN, by all accounts, is also beating the crap out of his pathetic show. Doesn't that warrent an attack on Captain Planet's network?!

Question:
What do Sean Hannity, Brent Bozell, Bill O'Reilly, Laura Ingraham, and Bob Zelnick all have in common?

Answer:
They all don't give a Rat's butt what KO thinks of them...but KO really wants them to pay attention to him so he can seem important.

I know Olby visits this site, so I am going to post a link to the video by the associated press (which includes tape of Harry Reid hanging up on a reporter when asked about the scandal)! Knowing Olby, once he sees the magnitude of the story we will be seeing it in the #5 slot on Meltdown.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/?mid=14339&category_id=2&release_time=2006-10-11&page=

Johnny Dollar said:

"journeyman", "not a star" Cory Lidle

Here are Lidle's statistics:

9 years in the major leagues
7 teams played for (Mets, A's, Devil Rays, Blue Jays, Reds, Phillies, Yankees)
82-72 Record, 4.57 Earned Run Average, 5 shutouts, 838 strikeouts

Best Season (2001 with the A's) - 13-6, 118 strikeouts, 3.59 Earned Run Average

What would you call him? He is a journeyman (Defined as "an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker.").

In fact, most commentators would call him "mediocre" and the more blunt would say he was "underwhelming".

Anon: "What would you call him? He is a journeyman"

Exactly anonymous! In fact, during 9/11, I called the networks and demanded they discuss the worthiness of the people jumping from the building -- e.g. there goes Sam Smith, a mediocre fund manager from the 96th floor. After all, at the time of tragedy there is nothing more important than passing judgement on the deceased in a disparaging manner. I'm surprised Olby didn't bring up the fact that the guy was a scab during one of the baseball strikes.

It amazes me that those of you on the right have every vestige of the media covered to push your agenda, yet criticize one man for having a differing opinion from yours. Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly, Beck, the list goes on and on. Every day, they all (not one of these people excluded) spit and spin the day's news through the rose-colored lenses of their conservative eyesight, yet one man gives it an opposing and original slant, and he's a worthless devil. Funny thing is, it is all presented honestly, openly, and with facts. What I can't understand is this: Not once, but twice, O'Reilly mislabels Mark Foley as a democrat when giving his rant about how terrible the deeds this man may have done are (amazing how quickly he and you forget his own terrible deeds - oh, I forgot, he bought the woman off to keep her mouth shut). Not once, but twice! No retraction, no correction. Is this the honesty that you guys are looking for instead? How pathetic.

KfK:

The Reid "scandal" is crapola.

The "land swap" that is being called unethical occurred FOUR YEARS before Senator Reid purchased his stake in the land! He had no connection to the original swap, something that even the author of the piece admits.

The second charge is that Reid failed to report that he transferred the property to a corporate entity owned by himself and a close friend. However, Reid reported the land as "personally owned" (which he was allowed to do under the rules since it was not a "sale" but a "transfer") from the time he purchased it in 1998 until it was sold in 2004. You don't have to report land that you transfer from yourself to a LLC that YOU own unless you change the proportions of your ownership.

Third, the sale was not a "personal land sale". There is no box to differentiate a "corporate" sale from a "personal" one. Reid and his partner sold the land for the fair market value of $1.6 million dollars (it is now worth at least $5 million). He reported the transaction (again, there is no differentiation between a "personal" or "corporate" transaction).

Fourth, Reid paid ALL PROPER AND REQUIRED taxes on the land from 1998 to 2001 (when he owned it himself) and from 2001 to 2004 (when he and his partner paid proportional amounts equal to the stake in the LLC that held the land). He even paid a tax penalty when he was slightly late with one payment. The alegations that the money was a "gift" or "income" are bogus. When you pay your proportion of costs in an investment you share, it is not a gift nor income. It's upkeep.

Fifth, the "rezoning" that occurred is a COMMON practice in the City of Las Vegas. Requests for rezoning occur almost every month and most are approved. In fact, at the time that the request was made, the Clark County commission was approving roughly 75% of "nonconforming" zoning changes.

Sixth, Reid hung up on the AP because he was AMBUSHED on the question - the AP had contacted Reid to do an interview on the midterms and on Iraq. They waited until the end to ask about this question, which was not planned (and the division manager of the Associated Press contacted Reid and APOLOGIZED for springing the question on him).

Seventh, the presumption in Nevada is that each member of an LLC receives an ownership interest in the corporation equal to their contribution to the formation of the LLC. There is no need to have a document to record an ownership interest that exists as a matter of law. Nevada Revised Statutes 86.291. If Reid made an error, it was a highly TECHNICAL one (which Reid's office has said they will correct IF they were mistaken).

Eighth, the author of this piece, John Solomon, has been flingng dirt at Reid for years - like the "boxing tickets" non-scandal scandal and the Abramoff non-scandal scandal (both of which people like you swore up and down would bury Reid).

In short, find another cudgel. This one's pretty flimsy.

It amazes me that those of you on the right have every vestige of the media covered to push your agenda, yet criticize one man for having a differing opinion from yours. Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly, Beck, the list goes on and on. Every day, they all (not one of these people excluded) spit and spin the day's news through the rose-colored lenses of their conservative eyesight, yet one man gives it an opposing and original slant, and he's a worthless devil. Funny thing is, it is all presented honestly, openly, and with facts. What I can't understand is this: Not once, but twice, O'Reilly mislabels Mark Foley as a democrat when giving his rant about how terrible the deeds this man may have done are (amazing how quickly he and you forget his own terrible deeds - oh, I forgot, he bought the woman off to keep her mouth shut). Not once, but twice! No retraction, no correction. Is this the honesty that you guys are looking for instead? How pathetic.

Actually Anonymous, most broadcasters would have the tact and good taste not kick dirt on the recently deceased and more or less wave off his existence as insignificant as olbermann did. As is Earl Camembert Jr. keeps proving to the world that he is a lackluster human being with no class..

Anon,
Johnny Dollar and his life partner prefer gymnastics and figure skating. He doesn't understand baseball. If you called Sandy Koufax a southpaw, he'd say "Sandy Koufax is from the South?"

In short, find another cudgel. This one's pretty flimsy.

One wonders then why the Senator wouldn't simply answer the AP reporter with something like...oh, I don't know... "Everything I did was ethical and conformed to the rules of the Senate. In fact, I will be asking the ethics committee to look this matter over and issue a report as soon as humanly possible. It's a shame that some people have seen this in a negative light."

Caught a little bit of Glenn Beck's radio show today and he asked, "When did Keith Olbermann become Michael Moore.?" He also promised a rant coming up on KO "very, very soon." He wasn't sure which medium it would run in, since he does radio, tv and print, but it's coming and should be interesting.

So, I was curious. Maybe JD had some point about comparing how KO refers to both Clinton and Bush. The problem is how to compare the two? I've got it!
Recently, he had two commentaries: one for Bush and one for Clinton. And since the Bush commentary was about the lies that Bush constantly tells, certainly there would be plenty of "Mr. Bush" in there, right?

Yep, in 1901 words, KO called Bush "Mr. Bush" eight times out of nineteen. The other eleven? He called him President or Pres. Bush. (And I didn't even include the other 'president's when he didn't directly refer to him)

Now how about Clinton? In 1739 words, he called Clinton 'Mr.' nine times out of 16. Yet, only once did he call him 'President'.

So that's
Mr. Bush: 8 of 19
Mr. Clinton: 9 of 16

Yep, its sooooo obvious KO delibrately calls Bush "Mr. Bush". I mean it couldn't be something silly like he calls everybody mister, nope, no doubt about it.

You must have missed my comment that I am documenting the number of times he uses "Mister" Bush to refer to a SITTING PRESIDENT, not an impeached ex-President.

If you want to go back to transcripts from Olby's Clinton era and show that he constantly called him "Mister" Clinton while the guy was still in office, then...well...you win.

Ah, so your claim then is that we should address ex-Presidents differently than sitting Presidents?
Even though my Emily Post says differently.
Or from ehow.com
"Ex-presidents get to retain their titles forever, so when you meet a past president, use the same form of address as you would with a current one."

That dog don't hunt.

And damn that Joe Scarborough for doing the same thing! Damn liberal!

Posted by: Anonymous at October 12, 2006 10:30 PM

'journeyman' in baseball is simply a player who has moved around alot. It doesn't refer to his abilities.

Now let me get this straight, Olby and his buddies talk about Karl Rove dropping the F-bomb. And that all of the Christian won't be voting for the republicans.

Olby thinks Evangelicals will now stay home? Like he thinks they watch him?

Johnny. In the dogs that didn't bark, No mention of land deals in the southwest.

JD:
Scary Uncle O as a "slovenly political hack"...how DARE you!

the orange man is generally pretty tidy...no doubt some boob job slut applies his make up to keep that healthy orange-y-ness (sp?)

Also, as far as WPITW...do we have a pool started yet on when he finally goes all Lt. Cmdr. Philip Francis Queeg on us..."Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers... "

We need to leave Iraq now! Listen to the top British military commander, he says the same thing. The occupation is making the death and chaos worse and interminable.

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410163&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5)

Look at it this way: in Baghdad, the garbage men continue to pick up the trash, despite theirs being the one of the most dangerous jobs around (regular, solitary routes; moving large containers and piles of debris within which explosives are easily hidden;...). Can you believe this altruistic regard for their society? Civic heroism, I call it!

(http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/world/middleeast/13trash.html&OQ=_rQ3D2Q26hpQ26exQ3D1160712000Q26enQ3D11c08a1033df576bQ26eiQ3D5094Q26partnerQ3DhomepageQ26orefQ3Dslogin&OP=288feea3Q2FQ20s_dQ20Ikmcakk)Q22Q20Q22rrDQ20Q25rQ20Q25Q2FQ20skaQ3DIQ208Q5EIIQ3D__oc)Q20Q25Q2F)aocbRb)8Q3D)

You have to conclude that there is a strong backbone of courageous, patriotic Iraqis that will and do what they can to preserve civil society, even in the chaotic conditions that prevail there today.

However, many of these people, judging from recent opinion polls taken in Iraq, refuse to step forward to aid the initiatives of the occupying power, which has proven itself to be so incompetent, dishonest, and destructive to their country. In short: they don't trust us! Many sit and wait on the political front - even while they risk their lives daily to haul the garbage or feed and protect their families and neighbors. Why would a patriot work to further the goals of an occupying power regarding their own country?

They know our rhetoric regarding "democracy" is bullshit - we clearly want a cooperative puppet government (if not this endless chaos itself, which has been very profitable for the friends, families, and stock portfolios of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bremmer, ....) , or we would have followed Jay Garner's fast-track autonomy timeline back in 2003, rather than shit-canning this first, earnest civilian authority and enthroning the heartless civil saboteur Paul Bremmer in his place (see the recent Newsweek story re: Woodward's new book).

In late 2004 the Washington Post presented a story regarding two British SAS agents who had been arrested at a Basra checkpoint by our friends the Iraqi police. The two were reported by the Iraqis as being “dressed as Arabs” and in possession of a Toyota Cressida packed with explosives wired to detonate via remote control. Several Iraqi police and innocent bystanders were reportedly killed in the shootout precipitated by the arrest, but the two were eventually taken into custody. A short while later, while the Iraqi police were still scratching their heads over this puzzling incident, an armored unit of the British military arrived and sprung the SAS agents from jail Jesse James-style.

This story didn’t get around much, but I’ve never seen it refuted. These elements match precisely some provocative tactics known to have been used by the British in Norther Ireland and in India to “muddy up the water” and to cast insurgents in a bad light to occupied populations. It seems that the British commander knows what he’s talking about when he says we’re making it worse!

Posted by: #1 fan at October 12, 2006 10:39 PM (with additions by connor_inat or about 9:25am)

It amazes me that those of you on the right have every vestige of the media covered to push your agenda, yet criticize one man for having a differing opinion from yours. (Um...yeah...there's only ONE MAN out there spouting this stuff...it's not like what is spouted by the MSM all the time all day every day)

Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly, Beck, the list goes on and on. Every day, they all (not one of these people excluded) spit and spin the day's news through the rose-colored lenses of their conservative eyesight,(Coulter does not have her own show and cannot be found everyday)

yet one man (again, just the one?)
gives it an opposing and original slant,(you can't be serious as to the original part are you? Please watch CNN for like ten minutes)

and he's a worthless devil.(no, no no...he's a scary uncle...remeber Bush is the Devil...we learned that at the UN a few weeks ago)

Funny thing is, it is all presented honestly, (I do not have enough time to even begin to go after this one)

openly, and with facts. (or at least KO's opinions stated as facts and without opposing viewpoints on to debate his "facts")

What I can't understand is this: Not once, but twice, O'Reilly mislabels Mark Foley as a democrat (yep..BOR does his own chromakey work)

when giving his rant about how terrible the deeds this man may have done (I actually agree with you on that Foley did terrible deeds but not quite Gary Studds terrible)

are (amazing how quickly he and you forget his own terrible deeds - oh, I forgot, he bought the woman off to keep her mouth shut). Not once, but twice! No retraction, no correction.(yes, virginia, there was a correction that occurred very quickly-and I am not about to defend him on extra-marital stuff, for I believe morality applies to all..not just those of the opposing party, see if that's true for those from your side of the aisle)

Is this the honesty that you guys are looking for instead? How pathetic. (Mama always told me it takes one to know one)

Tahnks #1, now...Engage!

Two points from last night's show:

1. Did you like the clever editing during the Kuo piece....while Keith's script called for him during the clips of the memorial ceremony to say "While others wept...", the footage conveniently showed the Clintons bowing their heads. We all remember how many funerals Mrs. Clinton made it to in the days after 9/11 in New York......

2. For the Media Matters minute, he attacks Fox News and their guests for pulling out an answer to a question, yet (allegedly) not giving the question or the context of the answer. However, this is the same Keith Olbermann who devoted an entire "Special Comment" to four words..."It's unacceptable to think..." from President Bush, without spending large quantities of time on the context of the answer or the question.

Hypocrisy is such a beautiful thing.

Ohio Mike:
Be careful, dude...
you are making a logical argument with proof and facts to back you up...
you know all the Dimmies will do will be to attack your last line (a few may dispute your arguments but without facts or they will have "facts" from DU, Kos, etc)

Ohio- how many of our soldier's funerals has Dubya made it to since the start of the war he created in Iraq?

The Reid "scandal" is crapola.

I noticed that olby and the liberals will never take fellow liberals to task. Kennedy, Studds, Clinton, New Orleans Jefferson, Marion Barry, Reid, JFK...... All the evil conservatives (Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly, Beck) think that Foley is a horrible person.

"I noticed that olby and the liberals will never take fellow liberals to task."

Next time, read the WHOLE post and try refuting it rather than just dismissing it. Moron.

"Sixth, Reid hung up on the AP because he was AMBUSHED on the question - the AP had contacted Reid to do an interview on the midterms and on Iraq. They waited until the end to ask about this question, which was not planned (and the division manager of the Associated Press contacted Reid and APOLOGIZED for springing the question on him)."

I love the fact that the Kossacks are running around with their talking points on the Reid Land Scandal and posting them hither and yon. Thanks for dropping by.

I love this notion that the AP which is owned by all the major newspapers may only confine itself to certain, proscribed questions when interviewing the most powerful Democrat in office today, a man who may well become Senate Majority Leader and in the line of succession to become President.

Aren't these the same OlbyLoons who praise KO for "speaking truth to power"?

Robert Cox said:
"a man who may well become Senate Majority Leader and in the line of succession to become President."

Robert, you need to retake 12th grade civics. The Senate Majority Leader is NOT in the line of succession. The President Pro Tempore of the Senate is (3rd behind the Vice President and the Speaker of the House).

I will grant that his reaction may not have been the most civil, but Reid has broken NO laws and only commited the most technical of ethics violations (IF he even violated the rules AT ALL). He didn't have to answer a question he felt was a smear attempt.

Next time, read the WHOLE post and try refuting it rather than just dismissing it. Moron.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 13, 2006 10:49 AM

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Seriously? Can I keep thisand recycle it? Because I notice that you Dimmies rarely follow this rule you trot out against us...

Hypocrisy is such a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Ohio Mike at October 13, 2006 10:02 AM

Oh how "right" you are. So you should know.

Posted by Anonymous:

"KfK:

The Reid "scandal" is crapola.

The "land swap" that is being called unethical occurred FOUR YEARS before Senator Reid purchased his stake in the land! He had no connection to the original swap, something that even the author of the piece admits.

The second charge is that Reid failed to report that he transferred the property to a corporate entity owned by himself and a close friend. However, Reid reported the land as "personally owned" (which he was allowed to do under the rules since it was not a "sale" but a "transfer") from the time he purchased it in 1998 until it was sold in 2004. You don't have to report land that you transfer from yourself to a LLC that YOU own unless you change the proportions of your ownership.

Third, the sale was not a "personal land sale". There is no box to differentiate a "corporate" sale from a "personal" one. Reid and his partner sold the land for the fair market value of $1.6 million dollars (it is now worth at least $5 million). He reported the transaction (again, there is no differentiation between a "personal" or "corporate" transaction).

Fourth, Reid paid ALL PROPER AND REQUIRED taxes on the land from 1998 to 2001 (when he owned it himself) and from 2001 to 2004 (when he and his partner paid proportional amounts equal to the stake in the LLC that held the land). He even paid a tax penalty when he was slightly late with one payment. The alegations that the money was a "gift" or "income" are bogus. When you pay your proportion of costs in an investment you share, it is not a gift nor income. It's upkeep.

Fifth, the "rezoning" that occurred is a COMMON practice in the City of Las Vegas. Requests for rezoning occur almost every month and most are approved. In fact, at the time that the request was made, the Clark County commission was approving roughly 75% of "nonconforming" zoning changes.

Sixth, Reid hung up on the AP because he was AMBUSHED on the question - the AP had contacted Reid to do an interview on the midterms and on Iraq. They waited until the end to ask about this question, which was not planned (and the division manager of the Associated Press contacted Reid and APOLOGIZED for springing the question on him).

Seventh, the presumption in Nevada is that each member of an LLC receives an ownership interest in the corporation equal to their contribution to the formation of the LLC. There is no need to have a document to record an ownership interest that exists as a matter of law. Nevada Revised Statutes 86.291. If Reid made an error, it was a highly TECHNICAL one (which Reid's office has said they will correct IF they were mistaken).

Eighth, the author of this piece, John Solomon, has been flingng dirt at Reid for years - like the "boxing tickets" non-scandal scandal and the Abramoff non-scandal scandal (both of which people like you swore up and down would bury Reid).

In short, find another cudgel. This one's pretty flimsy."

I guess only liberals can come up with excuses.

When Haster says he did not know about Foley he is called a liar but we are supposed to read some biased garbage proclaiming Reid's no guilty and take it as law. Give me a break.

When Haster says he did not know about Foley he is called a liar but we are supposed to read some biased garbage proclaiming Reid's no guilty and take it as law. Give me a break.

When Haster says he did not know about Foley he is called a liar but we are supposed to read some biased garbage proclaiming Reid's no guilty and take it as law. Give me a break.

When Haster says he did not know about Foley he is called a liar but we are supposed to read some biased garbage proclaiming Reid's no guilty and take it as law. Give me a break.

Hypocrisy ain't beautiful but it sure is the leading cause of blindness.

How else can you explain YouTube featuring Olbermann screeds about the Bushies stifling speech on the front page of the site, while banning Michelle Malkin and putting the Zucker's hilarious political ad under "Warning" labels...

Happy Friday Everyone!!!

And isn't it a great day? Air-America files Chapter 11. And God turns on the snow blaster over Buffalo just in case you wacky libs were thinking about using the global warming card this close to the election.

Hey! anybody looking for a great deal on land?

Get in touch with this guy.......his name is Harry Reid. He works in Washington. But he's got connections in the southwest. Not much paperwork I've heard! Just a handshake!!

Oh! don't call him over the phone. He will just hang up on you, some guy from AP tried to get in on the deal over the phone. Didn't work.

I'm going to take a walk down to mail box and see if the Karl Rove indictments showed up yet.

Brick- did you really have to copy anon's ENTIRE post just to make a lame one sentence statement at the end?

And quit hitting the "post" button! This site may be slow, but if you hit the button once I assure you it will go through. . . Damn man, do you have to unzip your fly to count to eleven?

OhioMike: see this
"Hypocrisy is such a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Ohio Mike at October 13, 2006 10:02 AM

Oh how "right" you are. So you should know.

Posted by: codas at October 13, 2006 12:04 PM"
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"did I call it or what:
Ohio Mike:
Be careful, dude...
you are making a logical argument with proof and facts to back you up...
you know all the Dimmies will do will be to attack your last line (a few may dispute your arguments but without facts or they will have "facts" from DU, Kos, etc)

Posted by: connor_in at October 13, 2006 10:14 AM"

Thank you codass for proving how moronic the Dimmies are!!!

Thank you codass for proving how moronic the Dimmies are!!!

My argument as always gets answered here by an insult. "codass". That's funny. I never get much more. You don't like Keith. That's a opinion you are entiled to. Every other argument always gets sidetracked into insults. I do it too, cause I learned it from you guys. When the discussion turns to something that really matters like Was 3 thousand lives and 300 billion dollars a fair price for what we have in Iraq? Is it right to judge people by their religious faith? Is torture something we should be doing? Has a political group "republicans" abandoned their core beliefs in order to stay in power? I am sure you can answer with some questions of your own, but it will end with Codass. This is my first politcal discusion forum that I have ever tried. I am learning very well how to insult and REDIRECT. Yes that is the key. Redirect and then insult. You walk away thinking you won because your smarter. No answers. Continue to support the killers disguised as compasionate conservitives. I will continue to ARGUE THE POINT. The point is you are being sheep for a herder who couldn't give a fuck about you or your values. They have made a bloody mess that everyone is accepting. The enemy is real. And it saddens me to think that they are gaining ground while the smirker and the duck killer waist lives, money, half the countries support and gain a very large bank account that waits for them while you will be living in close to a third world country in 20 years or so.

codas:
sorry for the simple typing error...
if you go back thru my posts you will see that I have not used that before

also...please note how yesterday, i bent way beyond going over backwards to keep things on a strict path of rational discorse...but after getting bludgeoned repeatedly and sworn at and having all points of my arguments ignored...I gave up and stooped to the Demo model of if we can't debate them we can out shout them/run them down (see Columbia University)

Plus, at least admit that you did EXACTLY what I estimaed you would do...

as for the rest of your argument about redirect and insult, please read the post by fellow Dems objectively and tell me that is not what they have been doing

Indie Rik:

Our president has met with roughly the families of 1400 of our soldiers killed in action. To me that speaks volumes of his appreciation for their sacrifice. So, to expect him to attend numerous funerals on dates that have already been booked to carry out his duties of the office, is unfair and non-sensical.

I said I do it too. Cause. I. learned it. from. YOU ALL! You might not see it that way but "you guys" are way way better at it. That is the very thing that gets people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Coulter, OReily, on and on rich. Make the democrats dumb and Godless. Tell jokes about Kennedy's dead girl friend. Nancy Pelosi. Clinton Clinton Clinton. The Howard Dean yell, even though go look up what he said would happen in Iraq before we went. He was right but the shit gets talked and he's a kook. Keith Olbermann is an egomaniac just like everyone who wants to be on tv. What he does and says is so small in comparison to the machine that is Fox. One of their own is the press spokes person for Christ sakes. Your media leaders that you trust in smile while they slander over half the population of this country. Keith is a woman hater now. Just plant the seeds and discredit. Forget about the side of the argument that you might even learn something from. Yes, you are begining to hear more of that kind of stuff from the "other side". Get used to it. Anyone who was a democrat in the 90's had to get used to it long ago.

yes codas you are right...how could I have been so wrong all these years...the only bad people in this world are republicans...democrats are good and sweet and kind and decent and never hurt anyone or did anything wrong...at least not until republicans got in power...then their only way to survive was to take over the republican tactics of ignore truth, shout down critics, lie, misinform, attack verbally/physically...once we great democrats get back in power (a responsible adult get back in power - I belive I heard reference to in the last couple of days) then we democrats (I am one of you now) can go back to our kind and decent ways.

Thank you codas...you have truly opened my eyes and changed my life...bless you and Keith Olbermann

So I was wondering, what is happening to Countdown's viewership numbers lately. Are they up or down from the 400,000 range that gets bandied around in your discussions here?

Oh I forgot. Being a sarcastic a--hole is another strong trait. Thanks for proving my points.

learned my sarcasm from you Dems as I grew up...
Criminy codas...seriously, can't the Dems do anything wrong in your eyes?

I learned my sarcasm from Zappa. And yes they can.

Of course Dems can "do wrong". So what do you wing-nuts thnk about Pelosi's recent proposal that the minority party be given sopeona power in investigative commitees?

The republicans stand a very good chance being in the minority in a couple of weeks, so I would think this proposal stands as a sincere olive branch with the potential to clean the scumbags out of both parties.

Of course, with the scumbags gone, the Republicans will be a REAL minority...

"This is an election unlike any other I have ever participated in. For six years this country has been totally dominated - not by the Republican Party, this is not fair to the Republican Party - by a narrow sliver of the Republican Party, its more right-wing and its most ideological element. When the chips are down, this country has been jammed to the right, jammed into an ideological corner, alienated from its allies, and we're in a lot of trouble ... The Democratic Party has become the liberal and conservative party in America. If you want to be fiscally conservative, you've got to be for us. If you want to conserve natural resources, you've got to be for us," he said. "If you want a change of course in Iraq ... you've got to be for us.

Bill Clinton.

see codas...you too can post items in a humorous vein

Mr. Anonymous must work in Harry Reid's office. Reid took money from Abramoff via his clients. One of his people threw a fundraiser at Abramoff's office for Reid. Seems that is not a big deal since Harry has a (D) after his name.

I love the way you pretend that Reid innocently hung up when questioned about his lastest dirty dealings. Let the people decide what to think -- I find the report quite compelling:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/?mid=14339&category_id=2&release_time=2006-10-11&page=

Hey Republican a--holes:

Lets get rid of Harry Reid, Jefferson, and any other corrupt Democrat (I can't think of any more with clear rap-sheets, but I'll throw in Biden, Schumer, and H. Clinton to get the ball rolling).

Will you admit that K-street is a cess-pool that has to be cleaned out? Ney reportedly resigns today in corrupt disgrace, Hastert has land-fraud skeletons in his closet, Boehner is a paid shill for Big Tobacco, Cheney is reaping obsvene profits from the war he got started...and the list goes on.

How do you all feel about these crooks? Lets run them all out, and face the fact that money cannot equal free-speech in a free country.

Hey Republican a--holes:

Lets get rid of Harry Reid, Jefferson, and any other corrupt Democrat (I can't think of any more with clear rap-sheets, but I'll throw in Biden, Schumer, and H. Clinton to get the ball rolling).

Will you admit that K-street is a cess-pool that has to be cleaned out? Ney reportedly resigns today in corrupt disgrace, Hastert has land-fraud skeletons in his closet, Boehner is a paid shill for Big Tobacco, Cheney is reaping obsvene profits from the war he got started...and the list goes on.

How do you all feel about these crooks? Lets run them all out, and face the fact that money cannot equal free-speech in a free country.

Well Beefy,

I agree that the corrupt must go. However, your hysterics don't help things. Cheney took a huge PAY CUT to be VP. He would be a much richer man if he had stayed away from politics. Harry Reid, on the other hand, made his millions from politics, and is as slimy as they come.

We all can agree that the corrupt must go. However, it seems the Democrats often get a free pass. Why is teddy Kennedy still a Senator? Robert Byrd? When is William Jefferson resigning? Why is Pat Kennedy still around after almost running over a cop?

I am all for throwing out Duke Cunningham. Now why don't we see more Democrats leaving?

KfK said:

"I love the way you pretend that Reid innocently hung up when questioned about his lastest dirty dealings."

First, I have already conceded that Reid could have handled it better. But if he was out-of-line, why did the AP regional director apologize TO him instead of demanding an apology FROM him?

Second, you seem to be stuck on that one point and ignore the other SEVEN that I brought up. You know, the ones that say that under Nevada Law Reid did nothing wrong and under generally accepted Corporate Law he did nothing wrong. At worst, he commits a technical violation of the rules (and he may not have even done that).

Why are you SO desparate to hang your hat on this?

"why did the AP regional director apologize TO him instead of demanding an apology FROM him?"

Why the Hell should they have to apologize for asking a question? Reid could say, "I don't care to discuss that" or "tyhat is for another time." Instead, he panicked and hung up like a teenager. Seems the lefties are trying to shut the press up, no? Chris Wallace is a jerk for asking a question. Now this guy is a jerk for asking a question. Completely pathetic.

It is "out of line" to ask a Senator about his improper land deals in Olbyland, but nowhere else.

KfK,

Is that all? I give you point-by-point analysis, offer you a direction to search for responses and all you can harp on is "he was rude"?

Face it, you punted the core of the issue. But thanks for letting me warm up my rhetoric again.

Cheney took a huge PAY CUT to be VP. He would be a much richer man if he had stayed away from politics.
Posted by: KfK at October 13, 2006 04:58 PM

that was the most humorous post ever ever ever ever since I came to this place. Halliburton will do more than kiss this mans ass when he's done.

Air America declares bankruptcy, the stock market is up (another record), and gas prices are down. All stories that you won't see on KO's hour of spin.

Instead of calling the show Countdown, Kazy should change the name to something more truthful, such as "Bash Bush" or "The All-Spin Zone".

Air America declares bankruptcy, the stock market is up (another record), and gas prices are down. All stories that you won't see on KO's hour of spin.

Instead of calling the show Countdown, Kazy should change the name to something more truthful, such as "Bash Bush" or "The All-Spin Zone".

How creepy was it to see the wicked fairy of the west village--Musto talking to the Orange tan man about other ppl's sex lives? Funny--the big brave Olby did not stand up and discuss his own sexual powers--aka---the karmabites1 revalation that the most hated man at ESPN is a dude in the sack ( btw--was there really any doubt olbytard would be a total wash with women??If Olby had his boy crush bj Bill Clinton is that hotel room -- ) so he made fun of another m,an sexual bounty with the polar Musty .
I must say it--oblytan is a putz. Anyone who would giggle like a ten year old--at anything Musty --can only be described as a putz. Is this the best LSD-NBC can come upo with---a creepy gay guy---and a man tan whose act in the sack is an also ran----giggle gossip about a sex tape made by a grade B kids show actor? No wonder why Olby bore in the sack is dead last month after month in the ratings?????

"Halliburton will do more than kiss this mans[sic] ass when he's done."

The guy was in charge at Halliburton for Christ's sake. How much more could he get? He would have made tens of millions a year if he had stayed. You think he is banking on a huge pay day when he leaves office? He has heart trouble and knows his days are numbered.

You lefties have Halliburton and Wal Mart on the brain.

As for the "point by point" defense of Reid, we will leave it to the viewers of the AP video I posted to decide if their eyes and ears are deceiving them.

You think he is banking on a huge pay day when he leaves office? He has heart trouble and knows his days are numbered.
Posted by: KfK at October 13, 2006 11:41 PM

Yes I do think he is gonna get a big pay day when he leaves office. Everyones days are numbered but we don't all have Zillions in cash to blow while we're here. I do have Wal-Mart on my mind,I gotta go pick up a few things later.

One FINAL rebut to Anon the Reid apologist's slanted and blind defense of The Senate minority leader....from the WASHINGTON POST editorial page via Malkin:

THE BEST CASE for Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is that he was sloppy about financial disclosure rules in accounting for a real estate deal on which he made a $700,000 profit. The more unattractive case is that the senator's inaccurate description of the investment was an effort to disguise his partnership with a Las Vegas lawyer who's never been charged with wrongdoing but whose name has surfaced in federal investigations involving organized crime, casinos and political bribery since the 1980s. As of now, the evidence points toward sloppiness; Mr. Reid's friendship with Jay Brown isn't exactly a secret in the state. But either way, an Associated Press report about Mr. Reid's dealings doesn't cast the senator in an attractive light. Neither does his response to the AP story, which indicates a casual disregard for the importance of accurate reporting of lawmakers' financial affairs.
Mr. Reid bought undeveloped property on the outskirts of fast-growing Las Vegas for about $400,000 in 1998 -- one parcel outright and a second jointly with Mr. Brown. In 2001, Mr. Reid sold the land for the same price to a corporation he co-owned with Mr. Brown, who in the meantime was getting the land rezoned from residential to commercial use. But the senator didn't report the sale on his annual financial disclosure form. When the new company sold the land to developers in 2004, yielding $1.1 million for Mr. Reid, the senator did not accurately list the transaction or go back and fix the previous forms to reflect the new arrangement.

"Everything I did was transparent," Mr. Reid said at a news conference Wednesday, after the story broke. "Everything is fully disclosed to the ethics committee and everyone else. As I said, if there is some technical change that the ethics committee wants, I'll be happy to do that."

Mr. Reid's professions of transparency and full disclosure are transparently wrong.

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Malkin also goes on the discuss other opinions from the lefty papers (The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Atlanta Journal Constitution).

michellemalkin.com

Liberal dems are just as corruptable as conservative repubs.....stop spinning.

cee, I will try one more time...

Redi did not sell the land in 2001.

Moving land you own to an LLC that you ALSO own is not a sale, it is a transfer.

The Washington Post and all those other papers are wrong because they mischaracterize the transaction as a sale when (under Federal and Nevada law) it is not.

Anon the Reid apologist,

You are either a hopeless partisan or Harry Reid's lawyer.....

The LLC was not Reid's alone. Jay Brown created the LLC and was his partner in that LLC. The new financial arrangements, when the land was "transferred, (your term)" were not properly disclosed publicly IN THE SENATE.....it is a matter of Senate ethics rules that were violated.

"In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land." (CNN 10/12/06)

It was not his "own LLC" as you erroniously keep repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating....The LLC was Brown's AND Reid's....as partners....now it was the LLC's land and not ONLY Reid's persoanlly.....Enough with the confusing word parsing based on Daily kos talking points!

FACT: The Senate should have been notified of the change. THEY WERE NOT.

Mr. Reid's behavior now has an apperance of impropriety because he did not follow, to the letter, Senate ethics rules. His partner, Brown, is sleazy....and....wow..... by the way, what a windfall on that deal.....almost 1 million dollars! I thought liberal democrats were above making quick bucks off their connections.

Legal spin all you want....but don't ignore that even Reid's friends (like the liberal editors at WashPo) smell something bad in his affairs with Jay Brown as well as his defensive stand currently. Will you finally relent if the liberal bastion of The N.Y. Times asks some questions about Reid's ethics?

BTW, guilt by association is being used with Abramoff, it is fair game here as well.

Also, Reid's claim of "transparency" is very inaccurate if the defense is all based on the claim that the transaction was only a transfer and there was no box to check that off on the reporting form.....Addendums and attachments are common parts of ethics reports and the fine details (if transparency was the goal) would have been mentioned. Spin. Spin. Spin.

Fine, I'm a Reid apologist. But REID DID NOTHING WRONG! I could give you 200 pages worth of LAW that would show how LLCs work and why this was completely above board, ut you would just accuse me of "spin"

And as for Reid making a million? If that's it, he was pretty stupid because the land is worth 10 times that now (last assessed value was $13 million).

"200 pages," no thanks, and I don't think Robert would allow such a large post.....You just can't admit to the fact that Reid and Brown being legally bound partners in a new LLC was not known by The Senate in 2001. The Senate has rules (I am not talking about Federal or State laws) and Mr. Reid seems to have violated those rules. He's a Senator and is supposed to be following the ethics rules which go way beyond the legal arguments you are defending him with.

cee:

At worst...AT WORST...he commited a TECHNICAL violation of the Senate Rules. If Nevada law says he can do it, and Federal law says he can do it, it's pretty logical to draw the inference that it is LEGAL. The only thing Senator Reid is guilty of is assuming that the Law and the Senate Ethics Rules were parallel. Everything he did was in the "spirit" of the law.

You just have to find someone on the other side who's "dirty" to hide the scuzzballs in your own party. I mean, not even the Las Vegas Review-Journal (a distinctly anti-liberal and anti-Democratic outfit) is running with this...

"That's not to downplay the possible violation, but don't expect this story to have legs -- unless there's more to it. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think this week's exclusive was a scene-setter and not a curtain-closer.

In my mind, the weighty question is not whether Reid benefited from a land deal involving his friend. That's hardly news.

And Reid's potential fumble of a federal disclosure issue doesn't spell scandal. Politics aside, it can probably be remedied with a good scolding." - John L. Smith, Las Vegas Review-Journal, October 13th, 2006

You just have to find someone on the other side who's "dirty" to hide the scuzzballs in your own party.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 14, 2006 03:58 PM

Redirection is their weapon come election time. Like a vampire, they can't see themselves in the mirror. They just hunt for blood.

pugs go down
them look like a clown
Look like a monkey in a tree
they speak no good
them ding dong peckerwoods
kill everyone to make them free
They don't like queers
they down a lot of beers
then instant message sweet young boys
they put me in tears
they overcome their fears
by playing with torture like their toys
They spend too much
and then they like to touch
hot young boy pages after work
they measure in size
and look into their eyes
after the bar they go and lurk
and they pass them laws
and send them down the halls
they bitch about taxes all the time
they dont want gay married
and after they're buried
we'll find the emails left behind
talking with lovers
and then they run for covers
into a rehab they will hide
over and over
once and once again
talking real tough with cowboy pride
well come this november
please lets all remember
not to elect them so they get
what they got coming
you know they'll go home running
to their boy lovers on the net

Barry Lynn (and Americans United) does a great job talking about how other churches use government money… but he’s oddly silent about the monies his own church gets from the government. While he claims to investigate the UCC, we’ll see if he actually says anything. Details at: http://www.ucctruths.com/Archive/2006JuneArchive.html#au

If Anon the Reid apologist is still out there:

AP...Reid said he believed the 2001 sale did not alter his ownership of the land but that he agreed to file the amended reports because "I believe in ensuring all facts come to light."

Reid blamed the AP story as a "latest attempt" by Republicans to affect the election. AP reported last week that it learned of the land deal from a former Reid adviser who had concerns about the way the deal was reported to Congress.

Reid also announced he failed to disclose two other land transactions on his prior ethics reports and would account for those on his amended reports.

.....First he did not need to submit an ammendment, now he feels he has to. Again, the appearance of corruption seems to be all
that is needed to say, "guilty." Reid is a hypocrite and is using "technicalities" to hide his greed.

cee said:

"First he did not need to submit an ammendment, now he feels he has to. Again, the appearance of corruption seems to be all that is needed to say, "guilty." Reid is a hypocrite and is using "technicalities" to hide his greed."

First, Reid's office has said from the start that, if they were mistaken, they would file the appropriate forms to correct it.

Second, the AP article mischaracterizes YET AGAIN that this was a "sale". If I have to get the statutes out and quote them verbatim I will, but it was not a sale (and I know this because I spoke to one of the attorneys who helped draft the law in Nevada with regard to this).

Third, you and Mr. Solomon seem to be the only two people on this planet pushing the "Reid is corrupt" routine. The staunchly conservative Las Vegas Review-Journal AND the moderately conservative Reno Gazette Journal have both decided that there is nothing here but smoke and mirrors. And believe me, both of these papers would love the opportunity to bash Reid over the head if they could.

Call me apologist all you want, but I have the law on my side. I think that gives me the higher ground.

This just in from Daily Kos: The Duke lacrosse players are responsible for Harry Reid's using campaign money to tip his doorman and for Harry forgetting to report the million bucks he made on a shady land deal. In addition, gay Republicans placed money in Bill Jefferson's freezer.

Ha, ha, KfK....Now Harry Reid has made some "clerical errors" in reporting misused campaign funds. Pattern of behavior AND appearance of corruption.....not a good combination for the lily white party.

Hello, Anon the Reid apologist?

cee said:

"Ha, ha, KfK....Now Harry Reid has made some "clerical errors" in reporting misused campaign funds. Pattern of behavior AND appearance of corruption.....not a good combination for the lily white party.

Hello, Anon the Reid apologist?"

Yeah, cee...Reid relied on his lawyers, who told him his actions were LEGAL. If you'd read the article completely, you'd see that.

Your problem is still that you'll SAY ANYTHING, DISTORT ANYTHING and flat-out LIE just to provide cover for the dirty-dealings of the right.