You can already tell that this is going to be a Limbaugh rip-fest.

Let's see _ it's OK for Keith to make fun of people, but God forbid somebody make a comment that Keith disapproves.

I'm surprised Olby's baseball card doesn't list him as a "switch hitter".

Olby has yet to apologize for a lot of ridiculous attacks and statements. Again, he is a hypocrite for pointing fingers at anyone else. Karma bites, Olby.

Sam Seder isn't that the guy that is sooo boring and prissy that even Jeanenne Garafalo couldn't stand him and left Air-America? This guy isn't on at 8 p.m. anymore. Where's his time slot 4 a.m.? Great! A failed radio guy with a failing Cable news guy. This should send the ratings through the roof!!

Switch hitter......Bob M..........A classic!

I would like to see someone slit Limbaugh's throat. Death cannot come too painfully for him.

Stay the course.

Rush the fucking junkie, viagra addicted travelling to see young boys fuckstick... I hope someone treats him like Alan Berg.

Stay the course.

O'Lielly, you desperately need psychiatric treatment - immediately.

What I meant to say was, Stay the course.

(CBS/AP) Rush Limbaugh could see a deal with prosecutors in a long-running prescription fraud case collapse after authorities found a bottle of Viagra in his bag at Palm Beach International Airport. The prescription was not in his name.

Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours Monday at the airport after returning from a vacation in the Dominican Republic. Customs officials found the Viagra in his luggage but his name was not on the prescription, said Paul Miller, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.

Miller said the alleged violation could be a second-degree misdemeanor. The sheriff's office was investigating and will soon turn the case over to the state attorney's office, which had no immediate comment Tuesday.

Under the deal reached last month with prosecutors, Limbaugh was not to be arrested for any infraction for 18 months in exchange for authorities deferring a charge of "doctor shopping." Prosecutors had alleged the conservative talk-show host illegally deceived multiple physicians to receive overlapping painkiller prescriptions.

Limbaugh Jokes 'How Did I Get Bob Dole's Luggage?'

Limbaugh also must submit to random drug tests and continue treatment for his admitted addiction to painkillers.

Limbaugh's doctor had prescribed the Viagra, but it was "labeled as being issued to the physician rather than Mr. Limbaugh for privacy purposes," Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in a statement.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection examined the 55-year-old radio commentator's luggage after his private plane landed at the airport, Miller said.

Investigators confiscated the drugs, which treat erectile dysfunction. Limbaugh was released without being charged.

For now, Limbaugh is joking about his brush with the law. He joked about the search on his radio show Tuesday, saying Customs officials didn't believe him when he said he got the pills at the Clinton Library and he was told they were blue M&Ms. He later added, chuckling: "I had a great time in the Dominican Republic. Wish I could tell you about it."

He also said today he's "trying to figure out how Bob Dole's luggage got on'' his plane. Former Senator Dole was a pitchman for the erectile dysfunction drug after losing a presidential bid. And Limbaugh says he's worried about "the next election" -- and not what Viagra might bring.

Before his own problems became public, Limbaugh had decried drug use and abuse and mocked President Clinton for saying he had not inhaled when he tried marijuana. He often made the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.

ecpat.net/eng/.../English/Pdf_page/ecpat_sex_tourism_dom_rebublic.pdf - 629k

Read all about it.. Limbaugh going to get orally pleased by young boys.

We really need to stay the course.

Just keep beating that dead horse Bill O'lielly...the Limbaugh case had more to do with a Dem DA going after a powerful conservative radio host than a real crime.

There still is a big difference about someone who get's hook on a prescribed drug from a doctor for a real medical problem and someone who chooses to use a recreation drug just for fun.

I never said stay the course.

I condensed K.O.'s latest diatribe into an illustrated comic version - fun for the whole family:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2006/10/einstein-of-political-age-keith.html

Plus, I did tape his most recent nightmare. Scary stuff:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2006/10/keith-olbermanns-gonna-have-revolution.html

Would get upset at what Olbermann nazi says every night but then you realize that he has lower ratings than CNN!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A LAUGH!!!!
NOBODYS WATCHING!!!!!

Would get upset at what Olbermann nazi says every night but then you realize that he has lower ratings than CNN!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A LAUGH!!!!
NOBODYS WATCHING!!!!!

Would get upset at what Olbermann nazi says every night but then you realize that he has lower ratings than CNN!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A LAUGH!!!!
NOBODYS WATCHING!!!!!

Would get upset at what Olbermann nazi says every night but then you realize that he has lower ratings than CNN!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A LAUGH!!!!
NOBODYS WATCHING!!!!!

Posted by: olbergrupenfueher at October 25, 2006 08:59 PM

I nobody is watching, why is there a website that you just posted a comment on about him?
Oh I JUST REALIZED!!!!!!!!! YOUR STUpID!!!!!!

olber... the grim reaper's sickle is hovering over your head... KEITH IS NOT THE ONE SWINGING IT.. The American people are.

Sam Seder, host of Air America's "The Sam Seder Show"
"Sam Seder-Air America" might as well said "Sam Seder-ENRON"

Air Dis America is bankrupt -your not getting paid. How are you going to pay Franken????

By playing the version of the Fox ad that MJF did for Specter, Olb proved Rush's point that MJF is capable of filming a spot w/o all the "theatrics".

Bob M....The video for Arlen Specter was done in 2004... Do you think Alzheimer's stays the same for two years ? If you think so apparently you are stricken with other mental illnesses.

Bob M....The video for Arlen Specter was done in 2004... Do you think Alzheimer's stays the same for two years ? If you think so apparently you are stricken with other mental illnesses.

Bob M....The video for Arlen Specter was done in 2004... Do you think Alzheimer's stays the same for two years ? If you think so apparently you are stricken with other mental illnesses.

Here is to hoping that Alzheimers strikes Michael Reagan..

I know about freedom of speech and everything, but can't we just ban O'Lielly anyway?

JD,
You've hit a new low. Even Pat Buchanan thinks Limpbaugh went over the line. Defending a guy who attacks someone with Parkinson's is typical of a conservative. I hope you still bow down to your poster of Rush after this crap hurts the Republicans.

You get your "news" from Matt Drudge? That explains a lot.

How do all you religious zealots, who claim to despise divorce, feel about Rush's three divorces?

I knew this strand would be sad tonight. Bush just took too many direct hits. They are really coming apart.

...and you feedlot turkeys just don't know what to do.

I'm one of those people who still has a Kerry sticker on my bumper. For me, it's purpose is to tell everyone who sees it within my very "red" state that I was not one of the ones who were uninformed enough to vote for GW in 2004.

Unfortunately, King George is not on the ballot in two weeks, but many of his Republican lapdogs are. So people, PLEASE don't be dumb enough to vote Republican again in two weeks. That would go beyond "uninformed" and enter the stupid realm.

Sorry this doesn't have much to do with Olby, but I'm sure he feels the same. GO KEITH!

I'm no fan of Rush. And I think it was wrong of him to make this statement without having proof, but it is a known fact that Fox did in fact state that he went sans medicine before an appearance in front of Congress so his symptoms would be more noticable.

and yes, I wish Keith would go to--go to the mental ward he so desperately needs to be in along with some of his more hysterical and overwrought fans.

Colbert, your inability to read is a typical demonstration of an OlbyLoon's thinking. Instead of putting words in my mouth, quote my "defense" of Limbaugh verbatim.

"Olby cited a doctor saying that if Fox had gone off his meds it would have made him immobile, and would not cause gesticulations. This would seem to be contrary to the actor's own admission that he stops taking meds for things like Congressional testimony so that the effects of the disease will be fully appreciated."

I wonder why Olby did that?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,225198,00.html
or perhaps
"However, numerous experts on the disease were quick to point out that Fox's movements were consistent with symptoms of advanced Parkinson's."
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=5365f15b-ddd6-4270-b1f7-8107f0469624

And, AFAIK, Fox has not claimed that he "stops taking meds". He stopped taking meds for ONE hearing SEVEN YEARS AGO. Why didn't you mention that? Olby didn't because it was irrelevant. Today, in his ADVANCED PD, Fox would be unable to do that since "if Fox had gone off his meds it would have made him immobile."

"This would seem to be contrary to the actor's own admission that he stops taking meds for things like Congressional testimony so that the effects of the disease will be fully appreciated. This is something else Monkeymann failed to mention."

Talk about digging your way out of a hole!

Have any of you sadistic, self-loathing ass-fuckers ever seen a patient in the unbreakable rictus of untreated Parkinson's? They are twisted and frozen; alive but immobile and totally unresponsive. This is clearly the "full effect" that Fox has mentioned, seeing as how you can see the ceaseless and uncontrollable movements of the treated sufferer in just about any footage taken of Fox in the past ten years.

...but that wouldn't stop the brave castrati at "Olbermann watch" from swift-boating an aflicted spokesman for the disease; not once he's run afoul of their lying sack of shit Grand Poo-bah (and by "running afoul" I mean being the
butt of the fat oxy-tard's ignorant slander). Rush is a turd-hearted bastard, and you fucking people lack any shred of dignity, perspective, or honor.

Did I say I supported Rush? For the record, I actually support stem-cell research. But again, Fox has stated he has purposefully gone off his meds to make his appearance more dramatic in high-profile appearances such as the testimony in front of congress. And by the way, it is my understanding of Parkinson's that people can have widely ranging symptoms so no two cases are alike. How can you know for sure he'd be rendered motionless if he stopped taking it?

"Olby claimed that the Iraqi was outraged that coalition troops conducted a raid without consulting them"

??? Can you fix this?
I'm not sure if it meant a certain Iraqi, like "the Iraqi President" or "Iraqi PM", etc. or "Iraqis were" or what?

O'Liely,
this is the only time I'll agree with you. Hush Bimbo is a RNC hack. he's a GOP cheerleader. Not a Rightwing thinker like Mike savage.

Nice link when you click Olby's baseball picture. Very clever!

There is no more golden moment on an Olberman Watch thread than when our lefties are left alone in the sandbox for awhile. And we're left to ponder: can it be true that in our younger, liberal days we were really that stupid?

That said, I have been comprimised. The MAN plied me with fancy baubles, cheap MP3 players and tea grown in some mountain in Tibet I saw on Discovery HD last night. And the MAN fattened me on salty snacks, imported beer and meaty chunks of runny red animal flesh. Fattened me to the point where I can not even take to the streets in protest, let alone run 10Ks again. And then the MAN got really mean - he made the value of my house double. But the MAN overpaid: he could have had me with imported beer and a bag of Snyder's.

I don't understand why people would think it wrong for Michael J. Fox to show what he is like without his meds. That's just giving people a glimpse of the disease. Why shouldn't he do that?

Codas,
this whole stem cell research is a stupid issue. That's why I don't vote. Both Parties should be discussing ways to deat Islamo-Fascists like Iran, Hizballah, Al-Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. CAIR should be disbanded and their leaders deported. The US at theis rate will go the way of Europe.A Pro-Islamic Dhimmi zone!

Sam Seder? He rocks! You guys should listen to him take on wingnuts. They show up with you guy's crybaby talking points and Sam smacks 'em down one by one. Unfortunately, the conversations go something like, Sam reads some evidence to the wingnut, the wingnut says, "No its not!".

David Gregory finally got to ask The Decider why his latest policy wasn't "Cut and Run". Unfortunately, Bush tied himself up in knots with his own answer, I couldn’t tell what the heck he was trying to say.

The Greatest of All Time, Muhammad Ali, has Parkinson's. Do you guys think he is faking it too? Fox was diagnosed in 1991, so I think you can assume he is in the advanced stage of the disease.

Olby said "the so-called War on Terror" because it has been shown that there were no credible terrorists in Iraq. Its a war alright, just not THAT kind of war.

"Go to the Drudge Report or any news organization homepage and you will find dozens of stories that Countdown ignored in favor of counting phrases and calling names." You guys are pretty desperate to change the subject, aren't you?

Isn't the larger point whether Fox was being truthful about his allegations re: embryonic stem cell research? He led people to believe that Jim Talent advocated for making that type of research "criminal" (to use his exact words). Is that true? I thought it was legal to conduct such research, but that it would not be federally funded.

If Fox in fact made such false claims, then it is HE who should apologize to Jim Talent. And right now, publicly, on all of the venues that reported on Rush's comments today!!!

I just watched how O'reilly covered the Limbaugh/Fox controversy and compared to how Olbermann did it. Very interesting....and very partisan...in both cases, but far more so in O'reilly's coverage.

Olbermann showed the Limbaugh video, O'reilly didn't. Both showed some of the TV ad, but O'reilly added an OLD clip of Mr. Fox where he was not shaking noticably. Olbermann played the Limbaugh audio of both today and yesterday. O"reilly didn't.

For O'reilly, the question was whether or not Fox had the right to "use" his medical condition politically, not whether or not Limbaugh acted like a jerk. Olbermann focused on Limbaugh's action, not Mr. Fox's. O'reilly didn't even address the question of whether or not Mr. Fox had left off his medicine, and how that might have affected him if he had. Olbermann did.

Olbermann is far more on point (and balanced) on this one than O'reilly. If all you had seen was O'reilly's coverage, you would not even have known what Limbaugh said, nor would you have seen the mocking gestures he made as he said it. You would also have not known Limbaugh refused to apologize and then proceeded to attack Mr. Fox again for the second day in a row. Olbermann showed Mr. Fox's very classy response to Limbaugh's attack. O'reilly didn't even mention that.

In other words, If you got your news from O'reilly, you would never have gotten any insight as to what the real controversy between the two men was all about, and why Limbaugh is being villified as he is.

And you Olby haters have the nerve to say O'reilly, and his network is fair, and Olbermann isn't? You must be living in a fog!

Loretta Nall rules!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Savage is a "thinker"?? Have you forgotten to take YOUR medicine??

Rush Limbaugh should apologize to the entire country for making an ass out of himself everyday and getting rich doing it. How people take him seriously is beyond me. He represents the "value voters" and the only thing he values is his fat wallet. Keith has more balls than Rush. Rush has been kissing rich peoples behind all his life no doubt.

Stay the course of course.

Who said stay the course?

Yes, we should stay the course, and if that doesn't work, stay the course again!

hit_escape,
Why does the American and European left alwyas makes exuses for Islamo-Fascists like Iran/Hizballah/Al-Qaeda. What the Left will ultimately create is a Nationalistic movement in the US and Europe that will take care of the Muslims in their midts.
Be fore warn.

hit_escape,
Why does the American and European left alwyas makes exuses for Islamo-Fascists like Iran/Hizballah/Al-Qaeda. What the Left will ultimately create is a Nationalistic movement in the US and Europe that will take care of the Muslims in their midts.
Be fore warn.

Codas,
You'll see you Leftists will get your just reward one day. The Muslims are just using you guys to defeat the West. Wake up their not your real allies!

keith Olbermann shakes when he's angry discussing the news. Dude lives on Park Avenue South is making money and is living the good life.
What's he so mad about?

Red Wolf

Do you really think Islamo-Facists are going to take over the world? They can't even run a country. What do you think the chances are of them taking over California? I'm sure all the hip hop lovers are going to love renouncing all their ho's and 40's. It's the same game that was played with communism.

"this whole stem cell research is a stupid issue. That's why I don't vote."

Holy crap! Great news! now if he'd only tell us he doesn't reproduce either...

Hey Red Wolf:

Olbermann is angry for the same reasons I am; we see our country being stolen and sold out right out from under our noses. You see, Red....some of us are concerned about things bigger than ourselves. This may be a little hard for the typical right winger to understand.

Keith has more balls than Rush
*******************************
Yea KO is just one big d*ck alright.

Mike and codas,

Again, why is the point not whether Fox's statements were true or not? And again, does Sen. Talent really want to criminalize embryonic stem cell research, as Fox alleges? I have a feeling that Fox or whoever wrote that ad were not telling the truth, but since you people know everything, you can verify that for us.

And only when that issue is resolved can you call Rush's comments into question.

Oh you all thought I said stay the course. What I really meant to say was let's go kick some muslim but and watch them kiss our feet and give us chocolates after we shock and awe em. Then I will fly a jet "With a little help from the pilot, he he" on to the carrier and make a speech saying mission accomplished but they got all mad and started making explosives so I said "bring em on" but I shouldn't have said that cause they did and I forgot to give the troops body armour and all that stuff we weren't supposed to need when the Donald told me it wouldn't take 6 months and fired that general for saying we needed 200.000 troops and then they started looting cause freedoms untidy and then we tore down that statue of Sadam and killed his two crazy sons and then they got the purple finger and I got reselected for being the decider and woossy Powel left and Condi took over for some more ink stains on their fingers if we just wait a little while and put Sadam on trial and don't cut and run like I did from the gaurd as they stand up we'll stand down why don't these people love me just because we bombed their grandmothers house by accident is no reason not to want to join the police force and get kidnapped lets not leave now their is lots of hard work to do cause it's hard deciding stuff but I never ever said stay the course.

Missy:

Welcome to the world of misleading political adds! Where were you when the Republicans used "Swift Boat"? What about the anti-Ford smear ad? IF that MJF ad really is dirty politics, as you sem to allege, believe me, your favorite party has a huge lead in this area. They are the unrivaled masters in negative politics.

I do not know what Talent's individual position on this issue has been, although I am fairly familiar with the Republican's stand in general. I personally don't even consider this a major issue, considering what else is at stake, and I don't think most Americans do either.

The issue for me is what Limbaugh said about Mr. Fox, and the way O'Reilly and Fox News seem to have completely ignored his nasty reaction as if it had not even happened. They need to show Limbaugh's reaction, just as MSNBC did, and let the viewers decide who is right. They seem to have deliberately chosen not to do that, but that didn't surprise me at all.

Cods:

You are good! Keep it up.

Mike- If i remember right, the swiftboat ads were done by the veterans who served with kerry, not the republican party. And i'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "the anti-ford smear ad" but if it's the playboy bunny ad that so many democrats are upset about, i watched it and it seems like a pretty typical election year ad. I also don't see what is wrong with saying that fox may have not taken his meds in order to have more of an impact on the viewers. As pointed out earlier, fox himself said that's what he did when he testified before congress.

Codas, you're not big on accuracy, are you?

Johnny Dollar said:

"This would seem to be contrary to the actor's own admission that he stops taking meds for things like Congressional testimony so that the effects of the disease will be fully appreciated."

Parkinson's is a DEGENERATIVE disease...the longer you have it, the worse you get. All these people who refer to the congressional testimony of Michael J. Fox from seven years ago.

An average case of Parkinson's takes up to 20 years to fully manifest. Fox was diagnosed 15 years ago, and it may have been so slight as to be undectable for up to 2 years prior. Based on standard medical evidence, Fox would be in the most advanced stages of the disease at this point.

And even if he was on the medications, there is considerable medical evidence that over time the pallative effects of the medication becomes less effective. The body builds a tolerance to the point that the medicine becomes counterproductive.

Look, you can debate the merits of the ad all you want. But leave the sliming of a man wracked with a terrible disease out of it. It would be like saying Lou Gehrig was faking his ALS...it's repellent.

Scot:

I have heard that MJF's testimony before Congress was 7 years ago.

What I was really trying to point out was the lack of total coverage by O'reilly. People really needed to see what the fuss was regarding Limbaugh, and it was dishonest of O'Reilly not to show that. This is important because this is an site devoted to bashing Olbermann, isn't it?
If were going to do that, lets bash them all, not just Olby.

By the way, I'm against ALL negative ads from BOTH parties. If people would make just a few of them would actually backfire, this crap might slow down a little.

Scot:

The swift boat ads were done by other Officers who supposedly knew Kerry, but did not actually serve "with" him. If I remember correctly, the crew who actually served "with" him stood up for him almost unanimously. At any rate, it was dirty politics at it's worst, and the country is poorer for it.

Jesus, O'Lielly, is this what you've come to? "Viagra addicted"? There was one pill missing from the bottle. That's a serious addiction, and he should be put right into rehab for it.

Couldn't you at least find something current for your nightly "I'm so void of thought I have to cut and paste other people's work" instead of a months old Rush write-up? Oh well, at least you attributed it.

And to top it off, the semi-regular "I hope (fill in the blank) ends up like Alan Berg." Because that adds so much to the debate.

If you're the best the left has to offer, no wonder the Dems can't win.
And to top it

Mike- I'm pretty sure that the vets who did the swiftboat ads served with kerry but you're right that there were also vets who served with him that supported him. I'm not trying to slime michael j. fox, i saw a video of him supporting tammy duckworth , a candidate to replace henry hyde, and he did not have the involuntary movement that he had in the ad. I'm assuming that video was taken within the last year because that's how long she's been a candidate. So i just don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that he may have not taken his medication in order for the ad to be more effective.

Codas, you're not big on accuracy, are you?

Posted by: Justa Joe at October 26, 2006 01:26 AM

No, I just believe in staying the course of course.

I never said I was about staying the course.

Posted by Bill O'Lielly:

"I would like to see someone slit Limbaugh's throat. Death cannot come too painfully for him."

That's nothing compared to your fate.

Know how I know their is God, people like you. I saw a post you wrote blasting Jesus. You are a miserable individual. And, that is what a liberal is all about. Don't bring the rest of us down. I'm having the best time of my life making more money that I ever dreamed. All Americans are better off today. Life must suck to be you.

On a less serious note, Fox put himself out there so he can reap what he sows. Where was M. Fox before he got sick? Where was Chris Reeves before he broke his neck? They were living the high life and could care less about anyone else. Then, when something happens to them it's a national disaster and if everyone doesn't jump through hoops to help "them" then they are labeled as scum. Reeves and his wife blasted the Rep's and GW. Now, they know what it's like to not have people bend over for them and they can't buy their way out of their problems.

codas,

Be Fair. "Stay the Course" can mean a lot of things; and each time Bush said it he may have actually meant to imply an entirely different meaning than the meaning he intended to imply the previous time he said it. By this perspective, one can see that the administration has actually been communicating a vibrant, constantly adapting strategy. At least that's what I've gotten from their expalnations regarding the "Stay the Course" issue of the past few days - it might be different tommorrow.

We good citizens, like the good people here at Olbermann Watch must remember that you can't just listen to what the administration has said; once again, to be fair; you have to keep tabs on their shifting explanations of they meant by what they said.

"Where was M. Fox before he got sick? Where was Chris Reeves before he broke his neck? They were living the high life and could care less about anyone else."

Yeah! fuck these people and their hateful efforts to draw attention and concern to people afflicted with their maladies! Wow - Brick is really "Prick".

Ok; I'll play, you honorless piece of shit. Where was George W. Bush before he "put himself out there"? He was the living the life of a spoiled trust-fund brat; drinking, whoring, "praying to the porcelain goddess", and destroying one christmas-present oil company/ investment firm after another. Finally, his daddy's freinds held a little Intervention - called the US presidency! Now he's just acting as the poster-child for people in the same situation in which was prior to his sketchy rehabilitation.

"Reeves and his wife blasted the Rep's and GW. Now, they know what it's like to not have people bend over for them and they can't buy their way out of their problems."

OK, Prick, how does Nancy Reagan figure into this? She's been as ardent an advocate of fetal stem-cell research as were the Reeves.

...and Reeves is dead, so yeah - he's not buying much any more.

Mike,

And exactly what was it that the Swift Boat guys said that was wrong? From what I remember, Kerry and his supporters were just upset because they debunked his famous "Christmas in Cambodia" story. Again, no one ever disputed their facts; just that they dared question the three months of serivice of "war hero" John Kerry.

It's too funny how KO's defenders pick and choose. Up above, there is criticism of O'Reilly's coverage of the Fox-Limbaugh controversy.

Well, this isn't O'Reilly watch and I'm not a fan of O'Reilly. I mean, he puts on a better show than Olbermann, but that's not saying much.

But on O'Reilly last night, he had a woman from the RNC to talk about the Ford ad. And guess what happened? O'Reilly ripped her and the RNC a new one.

Can anyone here imagine Olbermann criticizing the DNC on his show?

Stop laughing...I know...I know...not in a million years.

I'm having the best time of my life making more money that I ever dreamed. All Americans are better off today. Life must suck to be you.

Posted by: Brick at October 26, 2006 08:04 AM

You are a very delusional and might I say, even though I don't want to start down the insult road one fucked up human being. Goody fucking whoopdy doo for you and your money making. You think all Americans are better off. How about the dead ones that got blown up in Iraq. I'm sure daddys little girl is feeling great now that his ashes are on the mantle. And all the thousands of wounded men and women are doing swell also. Economicaly IT IS A FACT that wages suck compared to everything else. How about the single mother with no heath insurance and three kids. But why am I wasting time telling you anything. It is your mindset that keeps me from ever voting for a republican. You can talk about values all you want. All you really care about is your checking account. You should be ashamed but that part of your brain is dead. Take your money, it's all you have.

Excellent points Monarch. But you see, the Olby fans like to do the "But O'Reilly. . . " and the "But Fox does. . . " argument to somehow justify Olbermann's bias, which they will never admit to, just as he will never admit to it. I'm not a Fox fan, I'm not a O'Reilly fan either but I have to give Bill his props for knowingly facing hostile audiences like David Letterman & Oprah. Olbermann wouldn't even do a single book signing. What does that tell you? Or maybe he was just too big of a pussy to face his former lady friends.

Maybe I'm slow, but I just figured you people out.

You don't care if your side assails conservatives with inaccurate information, but your outrage comes when we dispute your "facts". Let John Kerry go on and on with the outrageous claims of some of his heroics. But when someone questions him on them, they are labeled mean-spirited, hateful, etc. You don't seem to care whether he lied or not (which he apparently did)!!!

Same with this Michael J. Fox debacle. Just because he is disabled, we're supposed to take his statements as true, without question! Let him mislead all he wants; that's OK, he's in the protected "disabled" category. The poster "Mike", above, mentioned that he didn't even care whether Fox's statements were true or not; he just wanted to go after Rush for challenging Fox. I can't believe it!

That's the whole problem here - Fox may have slandered a man running for the U.S. Senate, but that's OK. Don't let the facts get in the way. But sorry, the facts ARE important. If Jim Talent truly wants to "criminalize" embryonic stem cell research, we should know. But since that is NOT the case, Fox and his backers owe us ALL an apology. Maybe a commercial during the World Series would suffice.

No missy. The problem is people who will rip apart war veterans and the handicapped in order to win elections because they have no real concience and couldn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

Maybe I'm slow, but I just figured you people out.

Half of you have your head too far up your ass to see anything of any value beyond your wallet.

I have so much to do today and I keep coming back to this board!

Anyway, Mike and others, did it occur to you that if Fox and his backers didn't attempt to mislead the public via the ad that maybe Rush would not have gone after him? That's the real problem here! If the commercial would have been forthright, none of this would have occurred.

Krazy Keith's the purveyor of crock
His claim to fame is sniffer of jock
In Karma's election
They'll be no erection
And O-watch is where bloggers will mock

Rush is an a--hole. If you don't know that by now.........

Missy,
You vile witch - what proof do you have of any "misleading" elements in Fox's commercial? Rush's razor-sharp opiate stupor?

I hope you get real sick, and see how your fascist freinds abandon you when you ask for jhelp.

Jethro rhymed crock with jock
And thought it funny to add in cock
I guess he thought it funny and cute
Like others here, he don't compute
You can try as you might, no doubt you will
And I'm sure if you saw me then looks would kill
I'll be laughing while your sobbing you silly trick
You like making fun but your really a prick
Cause Krazy Keith as you call him has your number down
Now go rhyme somewhere else you silly clown

Wait--hold up--a Olby supporter is using vile language? Have you informed the person who was here in another thread bitching profusly about the very same topic? Or is it only wrong with we do it but perfectly okay when your kind does it? Again with the double-standard.

Shut up Brandon, you fragile pussy.

Oh my gosh! Where to start?

It's gotten so routine for the left to argue that some person or another is so iconic that it is utterly beyond the scope of civilized behavior to criticism them or the position they take. Cindy Sheehan, the 9/11 widows, Kevin Tillman, John Kerry, it never stops.

It's a great tactic. Accuse Rumsfeld or Bush of trying to squelch speech but go into a breast beating hissy fit when the other side treats these "special" people just like any other political player.

That being said, I think Limbaugh made a stupid and mean accusation against Fox and it would still be considered stupid and mean even if it was proved accurate (which has NOT happened).

No one thanks anyone for orchestrating an embarrassing and cringe-worthy exposure of someone who is a truly sick and suffering individual. They don't no matter what cause is at stake.

Yeah, it's a great tactic, these icons going out there and issuing public statements and then screaming bloody murder when they're treated like any other politico. It's so good a tactic that it demands a subtle and careful response in turn.

For those who are talking about the stem cell debate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-5Pv5zLBqE

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/CheckTheScore.pdf

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/asc-refs.pdf

Missy, how dare you try to confuse the Olbyloons with something as unimportant and meaningless as the truth. Get a grip on yourself, girl.

The Olbyloons just know that a lying maudlin appeal to emotion in defense of their ideology is a virtue. So, naturally it follows that Conservatives pointing out the lies and sophistic appeal to emotion in their own defense is a vice.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Yes Grammie,

It is virtuous to hide the injuries and infirmities that are exacerbated by your policies. Only show those whole and hale of limb - in fact, we could just start cooping-up and gassing the gimps, just like Hitler did. Why should they get to enjoy the benefit of empathy and self-awareness that their public appearances would bring?

Can you all imagine Grammie, Cecelia, cee, Prick, Missy, or Brandon at the switch if someone were to replicate Stanley Milgram's experiements? ("Obedience" 1962)

If you've never seen this disturbing documentary, look it up - average Americans as Einsatzgruppen.

Yes Anonynous at 1101am...Grammie expressly stated that we line up all people with infirmities and kill them in public....hey MSNBC could broadcast it, they need programming! no, wait, you said public...do they get enough viewers do claim they are public?

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personally, my biggest problems with the MJF thing is that Talent is against federal funding for embryonic stem cell research not against ALL stem cell research...Also, I believe MJF also does an add for a guy in MD (sorry forgot the name) who has actually voted against stem cell research.

Missy, Missy, Missy!

You are either evading my point, or missing it altogether. Probably the latter.

Try to pay attention this time: You people, and your "Faux News" Network of choice, only seemed concerned about negative politics when the Democrats are behind it. You keep proving this with every post you make.

There are TWO highly controversial political ads on the national centerstage right now. You only want to complain about the one that could potentially hurt the party of your choice. So you think the Fox ad is bad?...what about The anti-Ford ad? It is at best, every bit as bad and mis-leading as the Fox ad. It is vile, nasty, racist, and most importantly, a damned lie!

Olbermann covered both stories, and as far as I could tell, O'Reilly didn't touch the anti-Ford one and left off the most controversial part of the Fox story. Just because he talked to a supporter and and an opposing party doesn't change that.

Brick:

You keep mentioning Jesus. I come from a highly Christian family so I know a Christian when I see one. I've read too many of your mean spirited, insulting, and 'I wanna kick their ass' type posts, and I don't believe a true Christian could have written what I was reading.

Sorry, I keep getting off the point here. Olbermann had a great show last night and you really do have to be a right wingnut if you found much of a problem with it.

Okay, has anyone failed to see my posts where I said I rarely watch Fox News, don't watch O'Reilly and never listen to Limbaugh? I also posted that I believe that Limbaugh should have confirmed that Fox was in fact not taking his drugs when he shot those commercials before he said what he said. And I've also stated on this board that I support stem-cell research and stem-cell research funding by the federal government. So how in hell do you get from the posts that I've made that I somehow support killing the handicapped?

anonymous @ 1141am

Please point out how the ford ad is racist

I never saw how the Ford ad was racist either.

Yes we should all have the nice peachy, high moral,love thy neighbor disposition of cody and o'not original or sir loin of chuck(I would say rump-roast but I don't know if you live in New Jersey).....get with it people!!!!!!!

Imagine waking up one day as one of these three? OMG! Hey buddy which way to the G.W.B.?

It says something when the best radio personality Olby can get..... Well if truth be known Sam Seder's ratings are so BAD! Ham radio operators laugh at him. Hey Sam nice suit! Where was the dopey bow-tie? It doesn't matter. All that part of the show did was play to the choir and the two listeners Seder has left.

People that watch Meltdown and listen to Seder are people that are TRULY OFF THEIR MEDS!!!!!

Monarch...You hit the nail on the head my friend Anybody that tunes into The Factor knows Bill will rip on both sides. Thats why the loons that rip O'Reilly on this site are either giant idiots, or colossal chumps!!

Brick...Keep on keepin on'! Garbage from Cody and his pals don't mean s**t. Once again when they get backed into a corner what do they do?
USE A DEAD SERVICE GUY!!

Ya know Cody, I begining to think you and you're lot have a deep rooted necrophelia thing going on. But hey thats cool. If a keg falls on everybody's head going into the voting booth and you guys get back in power. You can get the A.C.L.U. to protect you a la M.A.M.B.L.A. And you can call it a desease and get unlimited funding and rip the money out of Brick's wallet. But ya know something, I don't know if even that would make you happy.

Oh and Cody

Daddy had bigger balls than you ever will but anybody signing up now pretty much knows where their going eh Einstein? So why are they still signing up in this war?

IT IS A FACT that you're wages at Burger King suck because you didn't pay attention in school and you can't get the $14 an hour with benefits to start because you can't add two and two. Yeah there's a job outside of Cleveland right now posted. I asked the guy you can't get anybody to fill this job and he said. "We can't find anybody who can do basic Math." Which yes you do need in a machine shop.

The single mother with three kids and no health insurance? First off point her out to me, Second where's dad or should I sat dads? Hey even you're beloved soon to be known as The Rump-Rangler Garbage state of New Jersey had to put a stop to unlimited out of wedlock birth payments. Why don't you start bitchin' at them? Oh thats right it's a Blue State! Throw Mom and the three crumb crunchers under the bus!

Yeah Cody I use to be just as brain dead as you and loin-chuck and O'unoriginal. But then I started to think, then I started to ask questions people could answer or got all upset because they couldn't answer them. Then I got out of the trap. Forged ahead finnally started my own buisness. I'm having a nice time! In fact I'm having such a good time I can stop in here once in a while just to give my old liberal friends like you the middle finger!

Hey Cody remember this, Rush is an A-Hole with over 600 stations and 15-20 million listeners daily. Olby and Seder are two a-holes that both combined couldn't get 1 million listeners.

Oh and I'm a little miffed that no one has posted anything about this prop 2? I know why the legal loons don't want to quote anything off of it. You see the two questions I have is:

Why if anything should someone have unlimited Embryonic stem cell research funding. No question asked?

Excuse me but, isn't adult stem cell research going on in Missouri right now?

Would anyone from the class like to tie up the loose ends here?

I know why doesn't Olby have J. Michael Conoyer M.D., President of The Midwest E.N.T. Centre on? For true fair and balanced reporting. Nah! why let facts get in the way of this piss fest.

Would any of you super geniuses on the Lunatic Fringe care to tell the class what's the difference between an Adult Stem Cell and a Embryonic Stem Cell?

Whats the matter loons? Am I peeling away too much truth here?

Embryonic, Abortions, Dead Service Guys,.....It all comes back to that Necrophelia thing, right Cody?

"Let him mislead all he wants"- Missy on Michael J. Fox.

Missy- you and Rush maybe the only persons in the United States that actually deserve Parkinson's Disease. I can't say I've ever wished a terrible health ailment on someone before, but in this case I do. Here's to bad health (for you).

Rush Limbaugh is entertainment...

Remember when he had to say this. It was just after FAIR showed what a complete liar he was. But, he wasn't LYING...he was ENTERTAINING...

So, entertainment for Republicans is making fun of people with degenerative muscular diseases...who knew?

The Left sucks, the right sucks. WAKE UP!

North American Union, HR 6166, Bill of Rights torn to shreds, Habeas Corpus dead.

The top right/left politicos approved all of these nightmares. Amerika is on the rise...America is fucked.

Goodnight losers.

The Left sucks, the right sucks. WAKE UP!

North American Union, HR 6166, Bill of Rights torn to shreds, Habeas Corpus dead.

The top right/left politicos approved all of these nightmares. Amerika is on the rise...America is fucked.

Goodnight losers.

Anonymous, before you go to bed at 12:34 in the afternoon, could you tell me how the Ford ad was racist?

Missy- you and Rush maybe the only persons in the United States that actually deserve Parkinson's Disease. I can't say I've ever wished a terrible health ailment on someone before, but in this case I do. Here's to bad health (for you).

Posted by: indierik at October 26, 2006 12:16 PM

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Missy,
You vile witch - what proof do you have of any "misleading" elements in Fox's commercial? Rush's razor-sharp opiate stupor?

I hope you get real sick, and see how your fascist freinds abandon you when you ask for jhelp.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 26, 2006 09:45 AM

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For cryin' out loud! Please list what Missy explicitly said that deserves anywhere near this type of treatment!

Puck:

Your posts indicate you are nothing but a jerk, and thats why nobody bothers to debate you to any meaningful degree. All you can do is hurl around stupid and meaningless made up insults like "Loon", "brain dead", etc., etc., etc.

Actually, when you look at Coda's posts and compare them to your own, he comes off sounding far more educated purely from a grammatical and syntax point of view, yet YOU accuse HIM of being uneducated. It is absolutely amazing to comtemplate the fog people like you live in.

You say you got out of the so called "trap" yourself. Thats terriffic....does that mean you believe eveyone can do to, and therfore you have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone less fortunate than yourself? In other words, you can't think past your own wallet. That is pretty selfish, but you can't see that at all.

I still like MJF but he has moved a lot closer to being a tool of the dems. A tool like mother Sheehan.

sorry...the defense of missy above was posted by me...

Matticus:

The anti-Ford ad is racist because it depicts a white prostitute waving in a sexy manner to Mr. Ford. Now why should have anyone had to point that out to you?

Let me see if I have this straight. Libs produce and seminate an inaccurate, misleading maudlin political ad. Anyone who points any of this out in public debate is a Nazi.

KO and M J Fox have spoken and the rest of us just better shut up. After all, the truth is theirs to dictate to the rest of us. And if we insist on debating you, you will stop us dead by hurling accusations that we really want to bring Nazi style eugenic genocide to the USA.

These are the facts as I understand them:

1. EMBRYONIC stem cell research is being funded by the feds, states, charitible and private institutions on existing cell lines.

2. EMBRYONIC stem cell development and research on any new lines is legal and is being funded by states, charitible and private institutions.

3. The evidence so far indicates that the much ballyhooed hype of miraculous cures right around the corner was erroneous.

4. ADULT stem cell research has no restrictions on funding. Private and charitible funding is much higher because this is the area that is producing useful applications.

I have every sympathy for M J Fox and his loved ones. That sympathy does not, however, extend to my blind acceptance of any political lies he broadcasts. It also doesn't extend to my keeping silent because he has the misfortune to be afflicted with a horrible illness.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Mike-
The anti-Ford ad is racist because it depicts a white prostitute waving in a sexy manner to Mr. Ford. Now why should have anyone had to point that out to you?

Okay, first of all, the actress was not depicting a prostitute, but a Playboy Bunny. Secondly, how is the fact that the woman is white racist? If anything, it would seem racist to have a black woman playing a prostitute. I just don't see how having a white woman wave at a black man is racist. It seems pretty progressive to me.

"Okay, first of all, the actress was not depicting a prostitute, but a Playboy Bunny."- Matticus

A Playboy Bunny? Did you see that woman? Johnny Dollar would make it into the pages of Playboy before that woman. She was dressed up as a trashy, gum chewing floozy. She'd wouldn't even qualify as a GOP convention hooker, much less a Playboy bunny.

Mike? You there?

indierik-

Thanks for responding. The woman was portraying a Bunny, but that is of no consequence. Even if she was a prostitute, how is that racist?

Mike, a few things....

-- you call Puck a "jerk" and then your very next sentence is "All you can do is hurl around stupid and meaningless made up insults like "Loon", "brain dead", etc., etc., etc."

-- I think it is "terriffic...."(from your post) that you point out Puck's language arts problems

-- Puck did say he got out of the "trap" and made something of his life...so automatically you say he can't see past his own wallet and is selfish...please point out step by step how you connect those dots, otherwise Hilary and Soros and Warren Buffet and anyone else who makes something of their lives fall in the same bracket...also on this point, please Mike, tell me how much Puck gave to any charities as proof that he has "no sympathy whatsoever for anyone less fortunate"

--- Now on to your post :
The anti-Ford ad is racist because it depicts a white prostitute waving in a sexy manner to Mr. Ford. Now why should have anyone had to point that out to you?

Posted by: Mike at October 26, 2006 12:56 PM

--- how do you know the white woman was a prostitute?

--- is waving in a sexy manner racist?

--- or is it simply because she is white and Mr Ford is African-American (or black as the MSM seems to be referring to him as...how politically incorrect of them)? If THIS is your proof that the ad is racist, then YOU SIR are the racist! I have no problem with interracial couples but apparently you do. Women in general (white, black, asian, indian, ect) have drooled over Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes, Sean Combs, Tiger Woods and many others for years and yet they are all still popular. Therefore if YOU have a problem with a white woman and a black man, I suggest YOU SIR get some sensitivity training and wake up to what year this is!

A Playboy Bunny? Did you see that woman? Johnny Dollar would make it into the pages of Playboy before that woman. She was dressed up as a trashy, gum chewing floozy. She'd wouldn't even qualify as a GOP convention hooker, much less a Playboy bunny.

Posted by: indierik at October 26, 2006 01:18 PM

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Oh, indierik, now I see...you and KO think alike...so women who are bad dressers and who chew gum are floozies...maybe she is a slut? dumber than a suitcase of rocks? a hag?

Matticus- If you think that woman is portraying a Playmate then you are truly the only person in the country that opens a Playboy "just for the articles".

I personally don't think it is as racist as much as I find the add attempting to give the appearance that Ford likes to hang out with slutty woman and other types of questionable characters. . . although, I still believe there is a sprinkle of racism in the add. I'm a southern guy, I understand the dynamics of the south. I know people that are still stupid enough to be bothered when a black man is with a white woman.

I'm much more troubled by the following Corker tactic:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/oct/25/tn_sen_corker_radio_ad_has_tom_tom_drums_during_mentions_of_ford

Yes Connor, it's true. If Olbermann and his Krazies declare someone a floozie or slut, it's a-okay. Just as it's okay for them to hurl accusations at us and use their ill-formed assumptions to brand us all as racists, against the handicapped, etc. Name-calling is good if you're a Dem, it's bad if you're one of us. Got it? Yeah, sure it makes them hypocrites but we knew that about them anyway right?

Indierik-

If you think that woman is portraying a Playmate then you are truly the only person in the country that opens a Playboy "just for the articles".

Well, in the ad, she said "I met Harold at the Playboy party." Wouldn't that indicate that she was a Playboy bunny? I'm not Michael Musto, but that seems to be the implication from the script, wouldn't you say? I mean, Chris Matthews, while he was blasting the ad, said the same thing as I did, that this woman was playing a Bunny. So, I guess I'm not the only one.

oh and for those of you Democrats that want an African-American to take the seat of white in the Senate then vote or contribute to Michael Steele to defeat Ben Cardin (he who voted against stem cell legislation) in Maryland

thanks and have a nice day

Brandon & Conner- how would you describe the actress in the anti-Ford commercial? Is she portrayed to be a pillar of society in your eyes? Would you take her home to meet your mothers if you met a woman of similar demeanor?

rik

I don't make rash decisions on someone simply because of their looks when it comes to that kind of thing...if everyone did, where would the world have been without the unsinkable Molly Brown? She was very brash, loud, and annoying in many peoples eyes, but was a great philanthopist.

You are absolutely right Grammie. Stem Cell research has NO restrictions above and beyond any other research. The blocking of federal funding of research using new EMBRYONIC stem cell does not prohibit....

Use of established cell lines that Bush Ok'd in 2001.

State funding (I live in NJ, they are in full court press with EMBRYONIC stem cell research and cloning...no cures yet, none on the horizon)

Private Use (Anybody with left over frozen embryos post AI can research groups ready to take their progeny and use them in scientific experiments.....no law bars it)

Mr. Fox is lying when he says stem cell research is being blocked by anyone. In point of fact, private industry is pursuing Adult Stem Cells because they have been the only successful modalities so far and have the greatest profit potential. Embryonic Stem Cells have not contributed to any cure of disease so far and no scientist has claimed any cure is near....even where there is government funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research in NJ and California. Mr. Fox and his children will unlikely benefit from EMBRYONIC Stem Cell research even if the millions of frozen embryos were thrown into the pool of lab animals.

And let me repeat, the federal government IS funding Stem Cell Research AND EMBRYONIC Stem Cell research.

Lies, demagoguery and shameless maniputlation of desperate people with horrible diseases = THE MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY + OLBERMANN

Wonderful.

Would I take her home to meet my mother? In a word? Hell yeah. Your point is exactly?

cee

here is a rebuttal to MJF ad at youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-5Pv5zLBqE

Comparisons of Adult stem cell research vs. embryonic:
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/CheckTheScore.pdf

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/asc-refs.pdf

CECILIA, CEE, JANET, CONNOR ETC...

If you ever want to know why I keep coming back here again and again, it is because of this kind of human.

IT IS A FACT that you're wages at Burger King suck because you didn't pay attention in school and you can't get the $14 an hour with benefits to start because you can't add two and two. Yeah there's a job outside of Cleveland right now posted. I asked the guy you can't get anybody to fill this job and he said. "We can't find anybody who can do basic Math." Which yes you do need in a machine shop. The single mother with three kids and no health insurance? First off point her out to me, Second where's dad or should I sat dads?
Posted by: Puck at October 26, 2006 12:02 PM

You have all debated about issues that you have an opinion on that may differ from mine but each of you I can tell are HUMAN. This "excuse my language" FUCKER right here is everything that makes me a non-republican. Please tell me that you don't share this mindset. There are people in the world who didn't go to college, are not going to start their own business, don't have the ambition it takes to become the inventor of the next greatest thing, and will work their ass off all the days of their lives and not ask anybody for a freaking thing. People like this FUCKER look down and laugh at them. Single mothers without healthcare? There is no such thing, Oh they shouldn't have been fucking around like that anyway. If they could count they get a good job. Please tell me that I am not the deluded one when I hear an attitude like that and think, what kind of condencending, self righteous, smug ass mind doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and thinks he can come back here and laugh at his liberal "friends" who don't make his big money. This guy is a represenitive of greed and is the very kind of nazi facist that is one of the reasons I can never NOT be a liberal. I don't work at Wendy's but I dont have a degree. I don't spell and speak like a over educated fool. I live in the midst of real people who go to bankruptsy court so they can manage what is left of their income to try to get braces for their kid. This is what is going on around you. Some of the people that this guy looks down on and who serve you at the fucking Wal-Mart got more going on and for them than an a--hole like PUCK will ever have.

Conner:

It is absolutely amazing how you put words in my mouth I didn't write, and then put thoughts in my head I didn't think. This is what I hear from the extreme right ALL the time. For some reason, they think they have the insight to psychoanalyze every person or group who disagrees with them. I hear on Rush, Hannity, and the local Hack's radio program all the time, an I see it in the posts done here.

Now I find myself being called a racist when I point out obvious racism designed to appeal to southern whites who still can't stand the thought of a white woman being with a black man, or any candidate hanging out with women dressed like prostitutes. Both messages are being clearly sent here.

The real issue of the anti-Ford ad is that it is a lie! Yes, he went in a Playboy club with a very large group of other people associated with a one time Super Bowl outing within an itinerary he didn't come up with himself. The ad implies he loves to frequent Playboy clubs and hang out with women dressed like sluts.

Why can't the RNC just stick to the issues in their ads and let just the chips fall where they may? For that matter, shouldn't both the national RNC AND the DNC keep their noses out of local races entirely?

Americans deserve the right to vote strictly on the issues, not smoke screens thrown up by those with an agenda.

Anyone else notice that Keith's little butt buddy from TVNewser says he's in NYC all day today and that KO wasnt on the radio show today? Coincidence? I think not! Bet it's time for Bri to receive another payment from Keith for the continued ignoring of news items about him that don't exactly put KO in the best of lights. Either that or they're out having the homosex together. Whatever the case might be, I'm sure it's a regular love-fest between them.

Codas, finally you and I have a common bond. I attended one semester at UNO and had to withdraw due to ill health. So now I can lay claim to being a morally superior and caring person like you can. And you would have loved Chubby Hubby He quit school the day he turned sixteen to support his widowed mother.

In the cut and paste from Puck that you used, I don't see a thing about needing a college degree to be able to do basic math.

And, what has Puck got to do with the rest of us? As I've mentioned to you many times, you are AGAINST EVERYTHING, and FOR NOTHING.

I forgot, you really would have loved my Dad. He quit school in 1914 at the age of ten to help his father after his mother died, leaving a family of five boys aged six months to ten years old.

Again, what does this have to do with anything? Education is not confined to schools. In the end, WE are responsible to make the best use of any education we receive and WE are responible to educate ourselves beyond school. Another one of those mean spirited conservative views.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Mike said, "Now I find myself being called a racist when I point out obvious racism designed to appeal to southern whites who still can't stand the thought of a white woman being with a black man, or any candidate hanging out with women dressed like prostitutes. Both messages are being clearly sent here. "

Kind of disagrees with what you said here:

"It is absolutely amazing how you put words in my mouth I didn't write, and then put thoughts in my head I didn't think."

How can you presume to know what thoughts went into the creator of this ad's head?

Furthermore, have you seen Harold Ford's ad on Corker (about owning 6 SUV's and living in a 30 room mansion)? The point is: they all do it. For better or worse, it's part of the political process these days. The anti-Ford ad was not racist at all. If some take offense to it (because of their racism), that's their problem. The ad was a spoof. Just like Harold Ford's ad that implies Corker doesn't care about regular folk. The ad was meant to be funny and it succeeded in my opinion (as did Harold Ford's ad about Corker).

"Either that or they're out having the homosex together. Whatever the case might be, I'm sure it's a regular love-fest between them."
Posted by: Brian & Keith at October 26, 2006 03:10 PM

Brandon & Connor- here's a case I consider the author to a homophobic a--hole. Am I "wrong" here as I am "wrong" on the anti-Ford commercials?

rik-
I don't even know what the heck that post was about and therefore cannot comment on it.

Conner:

It is absolutely amazing how you put words in my mouth I didn't write, and then put thoughts in my head I didn't think. {WELCOME TO THE CLUB, MIKE} This is what I hear from the extreme right {WHAT IS YOUR CONTIUUM OF THE RIGHT SO I CAN TELL WHO IS AND IS NOT EXTREME} ALL the time. {MAYBE THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS} For some reason, they think they have the insight to psychoanalyze every person or group who disagrees with them. {AND YET YOU AND OTHER DEMS SEEM TO DO IT ALL THE TIME HERE YOURSELVES} I hear on Rush, Hannity, and the local Hack's radio program all the time, an I see it in the posts done here. {YOU MUST LISTEN TO THEM MORE THAN I DO...BUT IT SEEMS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE THINGS I HEARD ON AIR AMERICA OR NPR WHEN USING MY SEEK BUTTON}

Now I find myself being called a racist when I point out obvious racism {OBVIOUS RACISM = "a white prostitute waving in a sexy manner to Mr. Ford"

The real issue of the anti-Ford ad is that it is a lie! Yes, he went in a Playboy club with a very large group of other people associated with a one time Super Bowl outing within an itinerary he didn't come up with himself. The ad implies he loves to frequent Playboy clubs and hang out with women dressed like sluts. {IMPLICATION OF A GENERALIZATION FROM A ONE TIME INCIDENT BROUGHT UP IN A POLITICAL AD....PISHPOSH! THIS KIND OF THING HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE DAYS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON AT LEAST...BUT HERE IS A QUESTION, FORD DOES AN AD FROM A CHURCH AND TALKS ABOUT HOW HE CAN'T HELP LOVING JESUS OR CHURCH OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, IF A REPUBLICAN DID THAT SAME THING, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO?}

Why can't the RNC just stick to the issues in their ads and let just the chips fall where they may? {AS LONG AS THE DNC DOES THE SAME} For that matter, shouldn't both the national RNC AND the DNC keep their noses out of local races entirely? {FROM YOUR LIPS TO GOD'S EARS! I LIVE NEAR A HOTLY CONTESTED HOUSE RACE}

Americans deserve the right to vote strictly on the issues, not smoke screens thrown up by those with an agenda. {FROM EITHER SIDE AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHAKE HANDS ON THAT POINT}

Posted by: Mike at October 26, 2006 03:05 PM

{WITH RESPONSES FROM CONNOR_IN}

Sorry...in the previous post I said MO when referring to the Ford race that is actually in TN...please note the correction

Wow, this website is really cool. It's about time someone stood up to that naughty Keith Olbermann. It's imperative that us right wingers point out that the liberal bias in the media is only a talking point and that we only use when we can't back an argument up with facts and have the blame public opinion for something on someone other than ourselves and our unpopular policies and agendas. We've got to stop him before our monopoly on brainwashing Americans is cracked! Viva Rush!!!

Wow, this website is really cool. It's about time someone stood up to that naughty Keith Olbermann. It's imperative that us right wingers point out that the liberal bias in the media is only a talking point and that we only use when we can't back an argument up with facts and have to blame public opinion for something on someone other than ourselves and our unpopular policies and agendas. We've got to stop him before our monopoly on brainwashing Americans is cracked! Viva Rush!!!

Wow, this website is really cool. It's about time someone stood up to that naughty Keith Olbermann. It's imperative that us right wingers point out that the liberal bias in the media is only a talking point and that we only use when we can't back an argument up with facts and have to blame public opinion for something on someone other than ourselves and our unpopular policies and agendas. We've got to stop him before our monopoly on brainwashing Americans is cracked! Viva Rush!!!

ahhh! liberal humor!

Truth lies in jest.

wingnuts anonymous :

then you believe south park's 911 episode was true

wait, your hero Rush jests all the time so he must speak truth all the time, thus conversely when KO is serious he is not being truthful...wow your brain works in entirely different ways than actual humans

wingnuts anonymous:

So you belive South Park's 911 episode was true

Wait a sec...your hero Rush jests all the time, so he speaks truth all the time...conversely, KO is stern during his special comments, so he is NOT speaking truth...wow...it must hurt to be you

That's not jest idiot, that's parody. But you wouldn't know the difference, would you?

Logic, which seems to have escaped you considering your side of the fence, dictates that just because one thing is true, it's opposite isn't always false. (refering to your musings about being stern and lying). And yes, it is painful being me as I long for the days when I lived in ignorant bliss like you. man it must feel great to be stuck on stupid.

wing:

that's right, you are better than me...you know absolutely nothing about me and yet you realize how completely superior you are...

Let's see here...you make judgements you belive in completely based on no knowledge, express your superiority without advancing an argument or debate, and then hurl insults (watch out that is a touchy point for indierik, oh wait, that's only if someone is an R and not a D)...OMG...YOU ARE LIBERAL!!!!

Great Thanks!!!

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http://www.weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com/

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15849829.htm

A little uncomfortable is how wingnuts explain it. Would you enjoy hearing children screaming while being raped?

Heard Harold Ford Sr. refer to peoplre as crackers. Looks like Jr. has a rcist dad.

Heard Harold Ford Sr. refer to peoplre as crackers. Looks like Jr. has a rcist dad.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 26, 2006 05:36 PM

And that makes Jr. a racist?

NBC is purposefully using Olbermann - who by all accounts has had a horrendous "journalistic" career" to assist with the Dem campaign. 95 % at NBC are Dems - and they're more than happy to let him have free reign at least until after the election.

At this point I'd be more inclined to think this is a well thought out process by NBC to get the Dems elected, using a discredited jourrnalist as the mouthpiece - who in fact represents what all the others at NBC think - but can't say on the air. I see this as a predetermined, well thought out strategy working hand in hand with the Dem Nat Committe. Would love to see the cell phone logs and email messages back and forth to make sure the talking points are covered in detail.

What a credibility mess with NBC news, yeah Columbia School of Journalism - I guess there's no reason to comment as long as the propoganda suits your agenda

Opie is expendable, others NBC "reporters" not so. NBC = Pravda

They always fail to amaze me...

I can criticise Rush Limbaugh for his treatment of Michael J. Fox, but because I also criticise liberals for constantly playing the "he's too sacred to criticize" strategy...**I'm called an automaton by Sir Loin and "one of those people" by Codas.

Sorry, but I'm the only person diverting from party line here, Sir Loin and Codas. YOU guys certainly aren't...

I'm homophobic because I suggested Keith and Brian have man love for one another? Or is it the fact that I pointed out Brian kisses Olbermann's ass at every available opportunity and turns deaf, dumb, and blind to any and all unfavorable news about him that is your problem with my post?

The much awaited " Death of a President " opens tomorrow... Finally a film where we know the ending will be a happy one. This will rival " It's a wonderful life" for a feel good experience at the movie theatre. Two thumbs up.

O'lielly you very well may be the biggest a--hole ever. Not only are you a flaming homo but a traitor and chickenshit as well.
you are a piece of liberla shit O'lielly and why the owners of this great andf esteemed sit e allow you to prove what ab asshoil you are is beyond me.,.
,aybe they just likes showing what fecal matter supports scumbags like olbermann
hope you get hit by a truck O'lielly

"Not only are you a flaming homo . . . "
Posted by: Anonymous at October 26, 2006 06:25 PM

Another homophobe on this site.

I have some news for the KO supporters. Harold Ford has an ad that deviates sharply from one of KO's mantras.

H Ford is on a commercial airplane with a bottle of shampoo, conditioner whatever. He thanks the Brits for stopping another attack on us. Then he goes on to support enacting all the 9/11 Commision reccomendations to keep us safe. He would do more than the current administration seems to be the underlying theme.

There is no question that Mr Ford is lying. KO has told us often enough about 'alledged' attacks that President Bush is using as the politics of fear.

Gee, I was thinking about moving to Tennesee so I could have Mr. Ford as my very own senator. Not now. He is trying to scare the people of Tennesee into voting for him and that is not right.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Anon 6.25,,,, Do I have you so wrapped up that you cannot spell even the simple words ? I mean I expect you to have trouble with words with more than five letters, but damn ... how about this... I will spot you these letters.... C _ T... fill in the blank.. ( a clue ,, it is sometimes a pet )

lookie here...

Freedom On the March
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Guess what websites are being blocked by the Pentagon to make sure U.S. troops in Iraq don’t get any big ideas?
One hint: Free Republic is coming through loud and clear! A Marine writes Wonkette:

I am currently stationed in Al Taqaddam, Iraq with the Marines…you’ve done a short piece about this before, but this is getting ridiculous.

It seems that every non-conservative politics website has been blocked by our firewall guys…including your site. The reason it is blocked is because it is a “personal page.” Which means they don’t have a reason to block it … but they want to block it, so they do. This was done recently, just in time for mid-term elections. As I said, it was not only your website, I have gone through lists of liberal sites and most of them are blocked. I’ve also taken the time to go to some conservative sites….none of which are blocked.

I don’t have the words to describe how I feel. They have sent me to this desert three times…each time saying that we are defending freedom…which is BS and everyone knows it. And on top of that they have taken away many of the freedoms that we are supposedly fighting for….

I don’t think there is much anyone can do about this, but I just wanted you to know that this was still going on.

o'lielly- I read the same story on little green footballs a month ago, except it was a soldier writing in to say that all the conservative sites had been blocked and all the liberal ones were getting through. I don't know which is true, but i have the feeling that probably neither is true.

Again, what does this have to do with anything? Education is not confined to schools. In the end, WE are responsible to make the best use of any education we receive and WE are responible to educate ourselves beyond school. Another one of those mean spirited conservative views.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 26, 2006 03:21 PM

Janet, my point wasn't that I disagree with furthering education, personal responsibilty or even aquiring weath. It wasn't about conservative views. It was about an element within the republican party. It is a condencending attitude towards anyone who doesn't have what they have. You know, kinda like the attitude that you throw toward me. If that is, I am privilaged enough to have you stoop low enough to communicate with me. Saying I am against everything and for nothing. What are you really for that we haven't heard all about. I have said what I am for many times but you like to say that and that's a talking point for republicans. I know, they are for taxcuts, they are for war forever, they are for bashing liberals, they are for honur and integrity in the whitehouse which means their tie stays on and their zipper stays up and the constitution is a god damn piece of paper. They are for the sacredness of marriage, no gays but you can get married 3 or 4 times no problem, they are for the unborn, of course if they are a muslim child they are fair game in the war on terror, but we don't kill them on purpose, if they were in the building they probaby were sympathizers of Bin Laden. They are for Jesus, the one in revalations not the other one who was for works and we know Luther fixed all that. They are for Israel because God said we had to be if we are going to get raptured. We can watch the Jews burn forever, lets help them now until then. They are for freedom of religion because it makes God know how much we care about him when we say the pledge and pray before football games. They are against someone going off their meds and having to see them as they really are. They are against questioning the government if it is a republican in the whitehouse, if you are democrat, bug the phones of their friends and start looking for sperm. They are against soldiers who run for office if they say anything negative about their war experience. They are against social programs because the next thing we know we will become like Godless Russia and kill all the Christians. could go on Janet. I can also say what I am for and against, but I already have many times. I am against killers in high positions of authority disguising themselves as Christ lovers and I am for the constitution.

if they are a muslim child they are fair game in the war on terror, but we don't kill them on purpose, if they were in the building they probaby were sympathizers of Bin Laden.
* Posted by: codas at October 26, 2006 08:00 PM

Damn right, codas.

The U.S. military who are doing the targetting and the shooting are ALL TO BLAME and we all on the Left spit on their efforts.

*** Democrats in '06...demeaning the U.S. military and lovin' every minute of it ***

More condencending. On and on. Lie about what people are actually saying to make themselves feel superior. Never said anything bad about the military personel, just the ties in the whotehouse, but i slander the troops. You are so good at making people look evil. Look in the mirror and say the words, I have become what I hate and fear the most. I must be my enemy to beat my enemy. Have fun beating yourself to death. I want to live and I want to enjoy my life while I am still above ground.

O'lielly you giant turd you are not even smart enought o see you are the biggests a--hole ever yet you comment on my typos?
what a typical leftard you are.

codas,

Don't let those evil Right-wingers try and shift blame away from U.S. Military and to the politicians in D.C.

We both know that it's the rank and file military soldier who make the targetting decisions and they are to blame for all the innocent civilians who are brutally tortured and killed.

We ALL ON THE LEFT are correct when we cry foul by claiming that Muslim children are being purposefully targetted for killing by the U.S. military. Rumsfeld and Bush don't make the day to day targetting decisions...it is the soldier on the ground who does.

*** Democrats in '06...pissing on the U.S. military since Vietnam ***

codas,

Don't let those evil Right-wingers try and shift blame away from U.S. Military and to the politicians in D.C.

We both know that it's the rank and file military soldier who make the targetting decisions and they are to blame for all the innocent civilians who are brutally tortured and killed.

We ALL ON THE LEFT are correct when we cry foul by claiming that Muslim children are being purposefully targetted for killing by the U.S. military. Rumsfeld and Bush don't make the day to day targetting decisions...it is the soldier on the ground who does.

*** Democrats in '06...pissing on the U.S. military since Vietnam ***

KEEP TRYING TO BLAME THE SOLDIERS. I think you are the one that does.

It was the administration and the congres that made this war. Paint the left how you want. You were on the wrong side of history and you must blame and slander now because you don't know what else to do.

O'lielly you giant turd (SHOULD HAVE USED A "PERIOD" AND STARTED A NEW SENTENCE HERE)you are not even smart enought o (ENOUGH TO) see you are the biggests (BIGGEST)a--hole ever (COMMA NEEDED)yet you comment on my typos?
what (SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CAPITAL "W")a typical leftard you are.

I'm here to help you Anonymous at October 26, 2006 08:28 PM. In the future, before you post a comment, feel welcome to E-mail me your rough draft for editing.

Doh! I didn't leave my E-mail address: indierik@ihelpboogereatingmorons.com

Codas, I say that because the first time I suggested that you would be more effective by knowing and articulating what you were for was based on the following paraphrased statements. It was unfair to ask you what your solutions are. You went on to state that how could I expect you to have any answers when you didn't cause the problems.

It tends to be a constant theme with you. In your long response above you essentially continue on in the same vein. To go item by item would be too laborious, especially since you didn't break anything down into paragraphs or categories.

You list a dozen or so things that you believe is the repub position including:

=======================

'They are for taxcuts'

- yes I agree. A statement of fact. No indication of your position here other than a negative implication that you are against tax cuts.
=======================

'they are for war forever'

- implication that you are against war forever.
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, they are for bashing liberals,

- ditto response
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they are for honur and integrity in the whitehouse which means their tie stays on and their zipper stays up

- I have a little problem understanding this one. Are you for tieless men exposing themselves in the White House, or against them? And, whatever side you stand on, what does it have to do with anything?
=====================

and the constitution is a god damn piece of paper.

- Well, yes it is. Its the words on the constitution that represent man at his finest.
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You then go on to list ten more FATUOUS items that to your mind represents the repub ideology.

Then you switch to your statements of what repubs are against. Another laundry list of fatuous statements. I'll cite the most egregious:

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They are against social programs because the next thing we know we will become like Godless Russia and kill all the Christians.

- Am I to infer from this that you are for social programs because you are dedicated to keeping christians alive?
==================

At last you got to a statement of what you are against and for, in that order.

You are against:
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I am against killers in high positions of authority disguising themselves as Christ lovers

- Again, this statement is confusing. Are you against ALL killers in high office or only those who pretend to be Christians?
====================

Finally, you made a statement of what YOU are for:

====================

I am for the constitution.

- Well, hot damn, we agree!
====================

I will say again that you are FOR NOTHING and AGAINST EVERYTHING. The entire post disclaiming that is a refutation of your own position.

The only thing you stated that a person could possibly debate with you is the constitution and its interpertation. But how do you expect me or anyone to entertain seriously people who say that I condone killing babies and you don't.

I know. I went back on my promise to not engage you in debate until you approached debate from your affirmative opinions and beliefs. I am sorry. I will not make the same mistake twice.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

connor and Grammie, thanks for your defense of me.

Thank God that He provides for these types of attacks (Pr.26:2 "...an undeserved curse does not come to rest..."). So I'm not real worried!

Anyway, how pitiful these people are. They cannot argue a point, so instead, resort to personal attacks.

So in the world of libs, we now know that if we EVER want to commit any wrongdoing against another, we just need to ensure that we engage a disabled person or a victim to commit such an act. Then whatever they do will not be questioned. They'll be able to commit any crime, or libel or slander anyone with impunity!

Just for fun, for the FOURTH time, I will ask what proof Michael J. Fox and Claire McCaskill have that Jim Talent wants to criminalize embryonic stem cell research. PLEASE POST YOUR SOURCES!

Hi Missy, nice to meet you. Have you noticed the trolls seem to backing off on this one?

Could it be they have no answer to your question other than ad hominem attacks and wishing illness, suffering, death and destruction on those who are speaking TRUTH TO LIES.:D

They never cease to amaze me. While spewing out the filthiest wishes for us to be struck down they gather hands and reasure themselves that they are morally superior because they CARE.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Hi Janet,

Yes, you have summed up their tactics exactly!!!

They are unbelievable. Here we're challenging them on the validity of Fox's statement, and instead of responding, they just wish we'd drop dead (after suffering a long time first, of course)! Real winners, aren't they?

I still can't get over the fact that they, and the media, have made this whole thing out to be a war against Rush. Fox made what I believe to be an unstatement against Jim Talent, yet NO ONE is calling him out on it! Talent should be all over the news refuting Fox's statement about him.

But our fellow posters don't want to talk about that!

"unstatement"? I meant "untrue statement".
Time for bed.

I know. I went back on my promise to not engage you in debate until you approached debate from your affirmative opinions and beliefs. I am sorry. I will not make the same mistake twice.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Janet, your just too much for me. I am just a amature who can barely spell. I know full well that I could never win a debate with you at least in your mind. You, like Cecelia are very good at this. I am learning. I have slowly learned not to feel insulted by someone who disagrees with me. I am trying to figure where I stand on certain things but that is one of the things that will always seperate me from what I at least consider a republican way of seeing our country. I could never be as sure of my positions as you are. The truth is I don't think I fit in any political catergory. Yes, I like tax cuts also, but I also want a police force, and a road to drive on. I am against illegal immigration and think if they come here nice and proper like my granfather did then fine, if not, get the hell out of my country.I would never participate in an abortion, or want any member of my family to ever have one. It is immoral unless there is life and death involved for the mother. But I am pro choice. I think the Taliban should be pounded. I am against the Iraq war. If Bush would have held up Bin Ladens head on a stick I would have applauded him. But I think America has brought down a lot of anger on itself. I am Christian, but I believe in a secular society that allows people to worship whatever or whoever they want. I like Pat Buchanon. I don't like rosie. I'm want stem cell research but I understand people who don't want their tax dollars paying for it. I could go on but what I am saying is I consider myself a planetary citizen. I live in America and I owe my allegiance to this country. But I could never get all nationalistic like some people. Liberal, or conservative, socialist, it depends on what topic it is. I'm a work in progress, and Janet, you have no idea how far I've come.

I still can't get over the fact that they, and the media, have made this whole thing out to be a war against Rush.
Posted by: Missy at October 26, 2006 11:27 PM

Why are you defending Rush Limbaugh? What am I missing about him? He is a comedian I think isn't he. You can't take him seriously do you? His morals must be lower than a rats ass with his drugs and his affairs. Just because he is for republicans you think he is worth something? Keith would be nailed by you if he did and said half the things Rush does every day. My dad taught me to let an a--hole be an a--hole. That is what he is. He talks out his ass. He is a millionare from doing nothing the local big mouth drunk doesn't do.

In case you didnt know, Rush is stupid. That would be obvious to anyone without a political agenda aho uses his pigheadedness to oink at the rest of the world. Oink oink pig man.

In case you didnt know, Rush is stupid. That would be obvious to anyone without a political agenda aho uses his pigheadedness to oink at the rest of the world. Oink oink pig man.

Posted by: ScreamThyLastScream

And you don't have a political agenda or an oink?...

Codas writes:

"Janet, your just too much for me. I am just a amature who can barely spell. I know full well that I could never win a debate with you at least in your mind. You, like Cecelia are very good at this. I am learning. I have slowly learned not to feel insulted by someone who disagrees with me. I am trying to figure where I stand on certain things but that is one of the things that will always seperate me from what I at least consider a republican way of seeing our country. I could never be as sure of my positions as you are."

Actually, Codas, you've indicated that your are more "sure" of the righteousness of your own positions than has anyone else in this thread. You've indicated this by suggesting that the sole reason Missy, Janet, and I kick your silly butt is by sheer finesse rather than by the merits of our position.

Sorry, Codas, but your problem isn't that you are a newbie to debate. Your problem is that your views aren't borne out by experience, commonsense, or logic.

You want to "evolve", then get a rational perspective...

Well, Codas, I enjoyed your last post and found quite a bit to agree with. This is also the first time I got an idea of your political positions.

As you say, I am much more certain in my positions than you are. But then you should realize I have had many years to refine my core beliefs. And these principles rarely leave me in a quandary when I am faced with new problems with no obvious relationship to the past. It is trite but true that the more the world changes the more it stays the same.

Let's discuss abortion today. My position diverges from you at the point of life or death of the mother. In this age of medical wonders and advances that is a statistical rarity. No longer are mothers and their doctors faced with crushing the child's skull during delivery or allowing the mother and possibly the infant to die.It is now used to support to the most barbaric late term abortions that man could devise.

In the case of incest and rape I am a bit conflicted between sympathy for the woman (you can only call her a mother if she opts to not abort) and the execution of a third and innocent party, the child. On balance though I mainly come down to sparing the the child first. I believe it should be illegal with a mechanism for honest review of the facts of each particular case.

As for abortion on demand I have three insurmountable objections:

1. It is the execution of an innocent life with none of the constitutional protections we all have. What we have now treats the unborn as equivalent to a tumour.

2. This matter belongs in the hands of the people and their elected representatives. The Supreme Court did great damage to all of us by overstepping their legitimate limitations to their power. Witness the never ending turmoil it has caused. When we, the people, reach political accord on a divisive matter we don't usually have a 30+ year battle among ourselves with no end in sight.

3. I believe that the criminalisation of abortion would serve......I'm sorry. I can't seem to coalesce my thoughts into an easily stated single word or phrase. Making it illegal and sub rosa as it had been for centuries would accomplish the following things: it would become much rarer; the woman seeking it would have a truly compelling reason in her mind; it would reinforce the true nature of abortion as murder and rightfully entail some risk for the complicit partners.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Janet,

A neighbor girl I grew up next to used to have a bumper sticker that said "Abortion is not birth control" and I whole heartedly agree. The idea that a women could abort a child because it's just not a conveniant time for her to have one is more than just wrong. My problem is that knowing that there are women out there who would refuse to be responsilbe,I ask myself what would they do if they couldn't have the abortion. The answers aren't good. What if their child was born with a handicap? While a good mother would raise and love her child no matter what, I don't envy being born to a mother who wouldn't love a heathy child let alone one who is handicapped. Abortion on demand? I'm against it. In the case of a rape victim or insest? I say let the mother decide. For convenience? That's where I have a problem legally but not morally. It is called murder though.

Codas, you and I are not that far apart. The one thing I really take exception with is the thought that protecting children from unloving mothers involves eliminating them.

Having a bad mother is an inherent risk that comes with being human. And some great men and women have been the offspring of horrendus parents. And that is the crux of the matter as I see it. Who knows what the future will bring and should we make it legal for women to "protect" their children from the unknown by killing them?

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Who knows what the future will bring and should we make it legal for women to "protect" their children from the unknown by killing them?

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Some women no doubt who didn't want a child and had it later on develop into a good mother. If I am to be honest about it, other than rape, incest, or life of the mother I can't really "defend" an abortion. I only know that the reality of the situation is that some women will not go through with a pregnancy. For sure their will be places they can go and have them. As far as a case of the mothers heath, I know that if it was between keeping the life of my wife or a child, I would choose my wife, not the child. I think what it comes down to is there is more agreement on abortion than is apparent on the surface. It's how we deal with the whole issue. It has been used by both sides in a political war. I will say that I wish democrats who are pro-choice and who think it immoral in most cases would say so and say why. Pro-lifers need to understand I think that making it illegal, while it might make them sleep better at night won't make it go away.

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