From NYC tonight. He must be taking his honey out on the town.

How does Rummy still have a job ?

And now that she has turned 23, she's still two years away from being in his coveted 25-54 demo.

Is Olby's shirt made from graph paper?

Getting a new woman is like getting a new car or dog... no one wants an old one about to breakdown or need medical care. Just like America wants some sanity back on Capital Hill.

Just saw the ad for " Death of a President ",, have to love fantasy movies.

Olby's old and breaks down quite often. If he runs out of money, he'll be alone soon.

Oh, he did a shoutout to his his little honey.

o'lielly- I posted this on another thread, but just wanted to tell you that i saw the same story about the military blocking sites a month ago on little green footballs, except then it was a soldier writing to complain that all the conservative sites were being blocked and the liberal ones were getting through.

there is going to be a new movis coming out called death of O'lielly. The world will cheer when the cockroach dies!
O'lielly the big turd still comes here to sprad hisstupidity. we all know how stupid you are O'lilley- you are dumb enough to be olbermann himself
are you olbermann o'leilly" you sure are one dumb fuck.
After the republicans gain even MORE seats this fall Olbermann will be liberla history!
O'lielly your day is coming soon assboy.

What does a jungle sound like??

Olby is old, so no wonder KT's name escaped him.

O'Lielly is obviously a mysognist. Alert the PC police. He just said that women over a certain age have no right to live or to a life.

That clip of Chimpy the Moron saying 'February 30' and calling that other Puke Bozo two different names was a classic!!!!

Bush is the stupidest pres EVER!

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

Don't all kill yourselves at once on Nov 8, Freeper Scum!

BWAAAHHHHH

Anon 8.34 is Rivermutt and that other pile of crap name that got him banned for typing in caps.. Nice try though..

Why is FOXNEWS beating the pants off MSNBC???
Has M-mess even mentioned the wildfires in So-Cal???

How is a fire news ? The word NEWS came from.... North.. East, West and South... but how does a fire effect anyone outside of So Cal If people are concerned about this fire wouldn't they be watching the local 5 PM newscast ?

For all of you who like to keep gleefully pointing out that Fox and O'reilly, are "beating the pants off MSNBC" and Olbermann in the ratings war, my answer is...SO WHAT! Olbermann gets enough of an audience to keep the show going and it has increased substantially this year, much to your chagrin. I personally could care less who has the highest ratings, but I can even give you an explanation about this that you probably won't like.

It's pretty much the same reason that right wing radio is beating the pants off of Air America, and other Liberal shows in the ratings: Many of the "righties" seem to have a psychological need to have their belief system validated by a media "leader". I don't know why this is? However, there is no evidence at all that there are more ultra conservatives out there than their polar opposites. It's just that the Liberals and the Moderates do not seem to need to constantly have their opinions reinforced by media pundants.

It's that simple!

One other thing to consider is that MSNBC and CNN are probably "sharing" the Liberal and Moderate viewers, while Fox has virtually all of the right.

Mike? It's "I COULDN'T care less" not "I could care less."

Mike, it could be that we've tried listening to liberal radio and it's total crap. I love the excuses that Olbyloons and far-lefties use to rationalize why so few people don't tune in or watch their wacky diatribes. The "media leader" lie that your liberal ideological masters concocted (such as the ones who appear on Olby's Echo Chamber) is so preposterous that only an idiot (or a lefty) would believe it.

Hey what's AWOLBUSH and O'Unoriginal doing here tonight? I figured they would be with Loin-Chuck, Cody, and Richard Pump-A-Loaf down at Borders sipping Latte Whips at the Espresso Bar and getting chubbys thumbing through James Webb's Lost Soldiers?

Gee ain't Mikey a genus? Hey brainstorm, most nights Olby, and Paula together still can't beat O'Reilly.

Mike: From page 4 of Keith Olbermann's book "The Worst Person in the World (and 202 strong contendors"): "The years 2005 and 2006 saw his ratings slide and ours grow by about 50 percent, but the gap is still pronounced, and, after all, some time in the 1970s or 1980s we stopped worrying about the quality of things, and were just concerned about how many of them were sold."

A beautifull quote from an ingenious man.

Not in it for the ratings......spoken by a tan man with no ratings....

No, that would be an egotistical quote from a decidely un-genius of a man.

Just another example of KO's delusions of grandeur.

Cindy:

Hello Miss grammar Queen: It is equally correct either way.

o'lielly,

This fire is horrific. One firefighter has burns over 95% of his body, and four men have lost their lives in this catastrophe that you care nothing about. It is arson, and has now developed into a murder case.

Shep and Adam Housley did a great job of covering this horrific event. Greta is on it now. It affects many people, and while it is regional in nature, it's as important as any other tragedy our nation has faced.

Both CNN & MSNBC did fire coverage of it earlier today during the dayparts.

CNN and MSNBC have the Islamo-Fascist market too.
I wish a strong leader would arise in this country and finish off the Leftists-Islamic alliance.

Thanks Brandon - I've been away a lot today.

They just said 3,000 firefighters are expected in the area by midnight. This is just horrible.

CNN and MSNBC have the Islamo-Fascist market too.
I wish a strong leader would arise in this country and finish off the Leftists-Islamic alliance.

Missy:

Wrong again on two counts. (2) Yes, the fire is big, but it does not affect most of our lives like the election or the war. (2) I just watched MSNBC through 2 shows and they did cover it on both.

I wish a strong leader would arise in this country and finish off the Leftists-Islamic alliance.

Posted by: Red Wolf at October 26, 2006 10:13 PM

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You have him. His name is Rush Limbaugh, and today he further denounced Michael J. Fox's strife. Way to go, Rush! Keep the Conservative dream alive in your beautifull words of wisdom!

Thomas Ricks' ability to predict anything is as bad as David Shuster's. A couple of years ago on C-SPAN, Ricks predicted that American units would be "overrun" by the enemy in Iraq. If anyone happens to pass Ricks on the street, please ask Ricks to identify a single American unit in Iraq that has been "overrun" by the enemy.

Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker,
Rush is just a partisan hack like Olbermann. they're both mouthpieces for the corrupt Democrat and Republican parties.

there is no strong leader. That's why I pray everyday for Military Coup!

Red Wolfe: As long as we can find some common ground... but you have to admit... Rush Limbaugh is much worse than Keith Olbermann, by many miles ???

Red Wolf:

It's amazing how you guys love to label everything and everybody. "Islamo-Facist", "Leftist-Islamic Alliance". Did you get this stuff from Rush?

Mike,
christopher hitchens who a Leftists i respect coined the term Islamo-Fascist. You once again prove that the Left always stands up for the Islamic barbarians.

Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker],
I despise both Olbermann and rush equally. One is a Corporate hack that lives in denail and does the RNC's bidding. the other Olbermann is a traitor and a supporter of the Islamo-Fascist cause.
I wish they both would disappear!

Hey Mike, Codas, Hit_Escape,

Read what your Islamic buddies are saying!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412697&in_page_id=1770

Red Wolf: Where do you stand on Neal Boortz, whom I theorize is some sort of alien time-warp DNA ongoing experiment where they take Rush and Keith and mix the two together to form one individual being. The creators? The dreaded Nelloborotzusians!

i encourage Americans both on the Right and left to buy this DVD:

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - An examination of Islam, Violence, and the Fate of the Non-Muslim World.

It's available at amazon.com
http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y0274043Y4516368/qid%3D1157697660/002-9805729-0647235

Red Wolf: Sorry... I do not think that the left is in bed with the terrorists. They are an impairable match...

The reason I go after the left is because they refuse to acknowledge the threat of Islam to the west.
With Europe's population declining and the Us losing the will to fight wars, unless we put differences aside we will fall to the Islamic hordes as did the Eastern Roman Empire, Sassanian Persian Empire, Visigothic Spain and Raj India.
Instead we argue about stupid issues as Gay Marriage, Abortion, Wiretapping of Islamic supporter, Immigration and taxes.
We should be preparing our population for the long struggle against Islam.
Wake up America wake up!

After Limbaugh was chastised across the board, he said that he would apologize to Fox if it turned out he was mischaracterizing the actor's behavior.

"Okay, I need to apologize," the radio personality said on the air Thursday. "I was wrong because I speculated either he didn't take his medication or he was acting."

But, "I never said the word faking. Now, if you people on the left want to equate acting with faking, I mean, go ahead George Clooney would be a faker, all your favorite actors, we'll call them fakers. I never used the word. But I was wrong. He did take his medications. Now he took too much medication.

"The point is," Limbaugh continued, "he did something differently to appear in this ad than when he appears on Boston Legal. And that was my first human reaction… I think the reason for that is so you would really, really hate Republicans, because Republicans don't want to cure it. [Republican Senator] Jim Talent doesn't care. [Republican candidate] Michael Steele doesn't care. No one in the Republican Party cares. They don't want to cure these things. They're happy, in fact, to see people suffer like Mr. Fox is in this ad."

Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker],
Terrorism is a method. the enemy is Islamo-Fascism.
The Left does support Islamo-Fascism. the Left wants to talk to Iran, where Bin Laden is hiding,
They alwys defend Muslim's relious freedeom while attacking Christians and the left was rooting for Hizballah against Keith Olbermann.
The Left suppports Islamo-Fascism because they hate Bush. So the Idea is the enemy of my enemuy is my friend.

Who cares about that corporate hack Limbaugh. He's an idiot like Olbermann. Let's talk about the rising threat to our civilization which is Islamo-Fascism.
Olbermann never discusses it. In fact he talks with joy at the casualties our troops are suffering.

Red Wolf:

So you know for a fact that Bin Ladin is hiding in Iran? Did you call the president to let him know? If the enemy of your enemy is your friend, then you must have considered Sadam to be your friend. After all, he and Al Quada were actually enemies of each other.

Rush Limbaugh should be called Hush Bimbo. He's an aragaont racist jerk. He would perform oral on Cheney if he could, if he hasn't already!

Mike,
Saddam was an enemy of this country. My gripe with the Iraq war was that we should've went in there Mongol style and level the place then we should've leveled syrian and Iran too. I sick of these Islamic barbarians. the Mongols hate the right idea when they leveled Persia and burned Bagdad down!
I hate Bush he's a phoney Corporatist hack that in the pockets of Oil companies. If you read my post I call for a Miliray coup!

Mike,
Saddam was an enemy of this country. My gripe with the Iraq war was that we should've went in there Mongol style and level the place then we should've leveled syrian and Iran too. I sick of these Islamic barbarians. the Mongols hate the right idea when they leveled Persia and burned Bagdad down!
I hate Bush he's a phoney Corporatist hack that in the pockets of Oil companies. If you read my post I call for a Miliray coup!

Rush Limbaugh's Show Today: Gold Star Mothers, Parkinson's Disease Sufferers, Hillary Clinton... Rush Limbaugh sure knows how to pick a fight with people who heroically independent and who deserve not a bit of the slack that they are always receiving!

Limbaugh, Olbermann and O'Reilly. They're all hacks. I can't tell them apart anymore.

I missed the tan man again for the 809th time in a row....I was watching King Bill, #1 cable news show!

Hush Bimbo is a jerk. I can't belive that my fellow compatriots on the Right still take this clown serious. he's jokester that doesn't give 2 craps about the avergae American.

Limbaugh, O' Reilly, Olbermann, and the most important piece of any puzzle of political shame and lack of ingenuity: Jim Cramer!

Hush Bimbo is a jerk. I can't belive that my fellow compatriots on the Right still take this clown serious. he's jokester that doesn't give 2 craps about the avergae American.

Let's not forget that other Muslim lover Chris Matthews and the Jihadi loving Anderson Cooper!

Each night it's the same tired tune
Swan song from the orange buffoon
On Bill he can't gain
He's viewed with disdain
Meltdown is the home of the loon

Let's not forget that other Muslim lover Chris Matthews and the Jihadi loving Anderson Cooper!

Red Wolf:

So you wanted to just go in there and level the place?...Millions of women and children included? Obviously, you are no better than the "Islamo-Facists" you claim to hate!

I'm arguing with a madman....that means I must be crazy too!

The list can go on and on... their vitriol, as well... I can not stress this enough, though... when you have somebody on any side of the political aisle that you really find ... just awfull,,, click that person off, really !!! I bet turning one of these people off means more than anybody's vote, really !!!

Mike,
The That's the only way to stop them! We must reduce their gene pool!

Mike,
The That's the only way to stop them! We must reduce their gene pool!

It looks like Chrissy Matthews is trying to out do KO on who can come up with the craziest left wing rants...I wonder if he's jealous because all the left wing kooks have crown KO the new Murrow.

As for the Ford ads..The GOP needs to keep running them and then run new ones with the comments of KO.Chrissy and the rest of the DEMS about how Tenn.voters are just a bunch of racist rednecks..which is how KO and company see them.

I think Chris Matthews and keith Olbermann are on the verge of a nervous breakdown!

Red Wolf- please wipe Michael Savage's semen from your chin.

"...all the left wing kooks have crown KO the new Murrow."

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I think Olbermann Watch.com has already crowned Keith Olbermann the king of all that is wrong with the media...

indieric!!! that was harsh!

indierik,
Hey did you swallow Sheik Hassan Nasrallah's cum or let Hizballah run a train on you!
Tell me your night with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
Did him and Bin Laden double team you?

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That is an imposing fowl... both teams lose three points!

" Many of the "righties" seem to have a psychological need to have their belief system validated by a media "leader". I don't know why this is? However, there is no evidence at all that there are more ultra conservatives out there than their polar opposites. It's just that the Liberals and the Moderates do not seem to need to constantly have their opinions reinforced by media pundants." HUH?
Yeah right.Who do you think watches Countdown and why? 99% left wing cheerleaders who want to see Bush bashed and Republicans ridiculed and 1% normal people wondering when this idiot is going to lose it.

Red Wolf, This is not WWII where we can fire bomb cities to ashes like we did with Dresden and Tokyo. The American people would never stand for it. Plus we would lose what few friends we have in the Middle East. The Russians tried a scorched earth policy in Afganistan in the 80's. How did it turn out for them?

asswipe liberal says what?

karris56:

You got me! I admit I want to see Bush bashed and Republicans ridiculed...I am guilty.

It wouldn't be because Bush created a totally un-necessary war that has now killed almost 3,000 Americans and seriously wounded another 20,000, with no easy way out, and very slim prospects for leaving it even in as good shape as we found it? No, it couldn't be that.

Could it be because he created a record debt for our country that it may never climb out of. And to think, he started out with a balanced budget. That was a really amazing feat by itself!

Maybe it's because of the unprecedented power grab and trashing of the Constitution, as well as the Geneva Convention?

Maybe it's because he only gives a damn about the ultra rich, and has even been recorded calling them his "base" - or - "some call you the haves and the have mores, but I just call you my base". No, that can't be it!

Could it be because he has just been using the Social and working Conservatives of this country by claiming to be something he is not. No, thats not it either!

Hey, I know what it is: It's all of the above!

Tom Pepsi:

Excellent post, but you might be wasting your time. I'm starting to understand that talking common sense to some of these people really is a waste of time.

I think you mean opposing foul olbermannw.u.b. lol

Actually tom pepsi, i think a lot of people would prefer we just go all out in afghanistan and iraq and get it over with. And russia was defeated in afghanistan because of our help. Unfortunately, we abandoned afghanistan after russia's defeat and that allowed the taliban to take control and ultimately led to 9-11 which is why we should not abandon iraq today.

You cant solely blame Bush for the war (as most liberals like to do). The standard talking points are that it is always Bush's fault for lying about Iraq. Just look at this video. I know it is from the RNC but the speeches by prominent Democrats aren?t fabricated. Take 3 minutes from reading MoveOn.org and watch it. You can criticize Bush and Rumsfeld because reconstruction has not succeeded yet, but I haven?t heard any better plan from the Democrats on how to fix it. Blaming Bush and pulling out of Iraq is not a plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLqIlt39ws

ok liberals America is bad....can you leave our country please...thank you

Tom Pepsi,
Unfotunently your right. Americans couldn't stand for total war. Especially with the Leftists media showing islamist's propaganda.
That's why at the end of the day, they'll win! Europe and part of the US (Northeast) will be conquered by Islam. California and the west coast will come under Chinese rule(better than Muslim).
the rest of the Us will stay free and won't give a rats ass about what happens to the Northeast and West Coats. It'd be poetic justice that the parts of the country that support our enemies, will be conquered!

Very little time so I'll make this short:

"KO finally caught up with Karl Rove comments from some time ago and ran a clip."
Because Rove was on NPR a few days ago talking about THE math that he had vs. everyone else's math. Of course the way you put it makes it look like nothing recent has occurred. I wonder why you would do that?

"Olby preposterously claimed used "jungle sounding" themes whenever Ford was mentioned."
KO did not 'claim' anything, he said "critics have said that it seems to use jungle sounding themes." Unlike Fox News' "some say" this is an accurate statement because many critics have claimed this (I saw one where the guy broke it down into beats per minute). Likwise, if you listen to the ad, it is clear that your so-called ominous music is drum beats that occur only when Ford is mentioned. I leave it to the experts to say if it is "jungle sounding" and from what I've seen many do believe it.

"Note that the brilliant ad was not an answer to the vile ad at all, but to a totally different ad (not shown) regarding gay marriage."
Now here I can't tell if you are just being stupid or intentionally lying. The ad shown was in response to Corker's "despicable", "rotten" "lies" and "dirty TV ads" against Ford (including the 'vile ad' and the false gay marriage ad). How do we know it was a response to the 'vile ad'? Because the response ad opened with shots of the 'vile ad' in it.

"scenes in James Webb's novels have suddenly become an issue in the Virginia race"
Because they haven't except in the mind of right wingers (and RW blogs). Its a non-issue. Webb's scenes are works of FICTION and have nothing to do with reality. Clearly, though evidence shows that RWers don't understand reality.

radmod,
islamic loving Leftists like you is the reason the West is doom. You Lefties will cob=nvert to Islam just to fit in with your new masters and go after Christians.

Fred:

Yes, I can blame Bush almost solely for the war! It was up to him to set the proper tone during the frenzy following 911. It was up to him to properly analyze all intelligence and not cherry pick it so it would say what he wanted it to say. It was his responsibilty to seek wise council from every Political side, and every Intelligence expert. It was up to him to understand the culture and History of the Country he planned to ocupy. And finally, it was up to him to tell us what his true motive for starting a war was (WMD and UN resolution enforcement were just the publicly stated reasons, not the real reason).

Yes, some prominent Dems went along with this too, and they really should pay the political price for their own inability to see through the fog. However, people need to remember that the Congrssional vote to go to use force was NOT permission to just go ahead and invade. An invasion was supposed to be a LAST resort, only if all other means failed in the attempt to allow the inspections to resume unimpeded. We need to remember that the inspectors WERE allowed to go back in, but were told by us to get out before their job was done. We rushed to war, and I don't believe many in Congress really understood that this was what was going to happen whan they voted.

You can argue all you want that assigning blame is not going to solve the problem now that we are there, and you would be partially correct. However, assigning blame and cause is the first step in solving almost any problem

Mike: " You got me! I admit I want to see Bush bashed and Republicans ridiculed...I am guilty."
Yeah, I got you and you prove my point.You tried to make the case that consevative talk radio and T.V. are more popular because the " Liberals and the Moderates do not seem to need to constantly have their opinions reinforced by media pundants."
Your explanation counters your own words.Lets put it like this if KO was on 24 hours a day just bashing the right you and your lib frieds would never change the channel.Where as if someone like Rush devoted a whole show to bashing Howard Dean I would not tune in because I know the guy is a moron and dont need someone else reinforcing my beleif in that.

Who the hell would watch 24 hours of Krazy Keith? You, sir, are truly one sick, twisted person. Perhaps you should consider professional help, and take the Worst Commentator In The World with you.

Mike- If wmd's and u.n. resolution enforcement were not the real reasons for removing saddam hussein, what were the real reasons?

"Who the hell would watch 24 hours of Krazy Keith?" Who the hell would watch a minute of this guy? Libs that was my point.

Mike,

The only reason that Saddam let the inspectors back in was because he saw the American forces gathering in Kuwait. He had already kicked the inspectors out 2 or 3 times earlier. Who or what was going to stop him from kicking them out again after the American army left?

What should we have done? Launched a few more cruise missles at him? That accomplished nothing for Clinton in the 90's. Saddam should have followed Quadafi's example and just given up on WMD's. Instead, he was so full of himself he dared Bush to attack him. Saddam is a mass-murderer who has killed millions. Hopefully, some day soon, he will get what he deserves, a bullet to the back of the head. Considering what he did to the Kurds, a gas chamber would be appropriate too.

Mike,

The only reason that Saddam let the inspectors back in was because he saw the American forces gathering in Kuwait. He had already kicked the inspectors out 2 or 3 times earlier. Who or what was going to stop him from kicking them out again after the American army left?

What should we have done? Launched a few more cruise missles at him? That accomplished nothing for Clinton in the 90's. Saddam should have followed Quadafi's example and just given up on WMD's. Instead, he was so full of himself he dared Bush to attack him. Saddam is a mass-murderer who has killed millions. Hopefully, some day soon, he will get what he deserves, a bullet to the back of the head. Considering what he did to the Kurds, a gas chamber would be appropriate too.

Can someone answer this question: If President Bush went to all the trouble to fool almost every member of Congress about WMD, get Britain and other countries Intelligence agencies to lie about WMD, and fabricate an entire story to invade Iraq because it had WMD, why didnt Bush just plant some WMD in Iraq and prove he was right? Either Bush lied and he was too stupid to place WMD in Iraq or he and everyone else truly believed we needed to invade Iraq because of its WMD. But I can anticipate the answer now. Of course Bush was too stupid to do that. Bush is only smart enough to coordinate dozens of intelligence agencies to lie for him (and plan 9/11) and not smart enough to take some anthrax we have and put it in a cellar in Baghdad. Lets move past all the blame and conspiracy theories and focus on the future. If in 50 years the Middle East is a democratic region without Muslim terrorist blowing up children then Bush was a genius, if we quit before Iraq is stable then expect more 9/11s.

>author of a "definitive" (per Olby) book on Iraq

Well maybe you could plug a book on how well the war is going.... Oh wait there isn't one.

I agree with you Tom. Our so-called intelligence agencies are the ones to blame for 9/11. Both Clinton and Bush were hamstrung by faulty intelligence. We rely too much on technology, pictures from spy satelites, intercepted radio and phone messages from listening posts. Interviews of lackeys who escaped before they were killed. What we need is good old-fashioned human intelligence. We need spies out in the field making contacts and developing these contacts into real information from the inside, not just on the outside looking in. We need boots on the ground in these countries to tell us what is really going on there.

This place is so sad I cant believe someone has spent so much time and effort on a site that is all about someone they hate!? And to top it off so many losers who also hate Keith spend so much time and effort coming here and reading all these meaningless post and comments. I feel sorry for whomever it is wasting their time building this worthless waste of bandwidth. It looks as if he has been doing it for a couple of years now which seems like an obsession to me, maybe he should analyze his feeling further and find that mayhap he is sexually confused and should just come out of the closet already. He'll feel better about himself and could learn to stop hating himself so much.

Hell, I love The Countdown and I dont even watch it as closely as this guy does. It would take a powerful hatred for me to watch a show everyday of someone a cant stand and then come online and post all this meaningless bullshit about it.

Getting a life just might be a good idea for this freak!

Keep your knees loose

Maybe olbermann should come out and admit he's sexually attracted to bill o' reilly.

Nah Keith doesnt like that strange luffa thing. Sorry Bill opps I mean 'Scot'.

Blogger Doe,

Watching "Meltdown" is rather morbid, like spraying bug-spray on a roach and watching it spasm and die. I don't watch the show, but I'm just waiting for the day that Krazy Keith loses it and is led off the set in a straight-jacket. I'll watch that day.

I don't know bloggerdoe, olbermann sure does talk about that luffa a lot. I think he wants to experience it for himself.

Thats cool I just hope the day he does loss it he does the right thing and 'Takes Out' as many right-wing monsters as he can with him.

Of course by 'Takes Out' I mean, Takes Out to lunch. Yeah thats it!

I think KO has a man-crush on Bill O'Reilly. I'm sure that KO would love if Billo bent him over the desk and gave it to him "fair and balanced."

Tom Pepsi huh hmm, Ahh one of those Right-wing monster I was talking about!

It is so ironic that the Most Unfair and Unbalanced Shows-Networks ever has that stupid 'Fair and Balanced' slogan!!! It makes me sick everytime I hear it!

Not right wing. Not even Republican. Anyone who disagrees with you is right wing, uh?

Why don't you open your eyes and look at the shit KO is shoveling? How come the only guests that he has on his show are those that agree with his distorted viewpoint? How come all of the WPITW are republicans or conservatives? Democrats and liberals never say or do anything stupid?

The only reason that this show is still on the air is because it is on A-Mess-NBC. And the way that they are going, it may not be around for long.

Karris56:

You clearly didn't read or understand my post based on your selective answer, nor have you watched the show if you think KO "devotes an entire show to bashing Bush".

I like the Post above questioning why anyone would devote an entire web site bashing a show they don't like, or why you other people who hate KO spend so much time with this silly obsession? What is wrong with your remote controls? Just change the damned channel and get over it!

Or is your ultimate goal to eliminate any show with opinions you don't like?

Keith can have on anyone he likes he doesnt have to be Fair and Balanced because he doesnt claim to be. Of course he's not Fair and Balanced because both sides are not right! There are the liberals who believe in doing the right thing and are on the side of the people and then theres the neo-con bastards and other Republicans that are only out for the rich and the top 1%! I dont need to even say more because the corruption of the Republicans is everywhere to be seen they just cant help themselves they are quite simply the only real evil in the world along with their pals the 911 terrorist (lets not forget that 15 of the hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia) Old family friends of the Bush family and Allies! So yeah they are often the worst persons in the world because they really are the worst!!!

Thats the beauty of having your OWN show like Keith does he can say and do what he wants unlike the Fox shows that are completely controlled by the Republicans its crazy one show after another they just chant the Presidentially approved 'Talking Points' that were issued for that day. They all talk about the exact same stories told in the exact same way and when they do have a so-called Liberal host or guest they are so sad they never stand up to the Republicans. You would think that Bush owned Fox but I guess Murdock is just as bad.

Hey Karris56 Thanks

Opps I mean thanks Mike

Mike,

You are right, Krazy Keith does not spend the entire hour bashing Bush, he does take time out to bash Billo, Rush, Ann Coulter, and other republicans and conservatives. Do a quick search on the internet and you will find dozens of sites out there going after Rush, Billo, etc. Shouldn't your far left brothern get a life too?

Gas prices are down, unemployment is down, the stock market is setting new highs almost every day. But the "Worst Commentator In The World" never mentions this. Why not? Doesn't fit KO's far left agenda, does it? You can bet that if the opposite were true KO would be all over it. KO would rather cut off his testicles than admit that the current administration is actually doing something right.

I don't watch "Meltdown." I really don't care if it stays on the air or not. But if you're going to go on TV and claim to be a news commentator, then at the very least you should try to be objective and allow both sides to present their views. Fox News does, the regularly interview democrats and liberals. But for some unknown reason Krazy Keith doesn't. So if all you are is a "sloven political hack", then put in on the bottom of the screen so that everyone watching will know exactly who and what you are.

Blogger One,

So when Sen. Harry Reed, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, or Rev. Al Sharpton are interviewed on Fox News, they simply read off of the script that Fox News gives them? I don't think so.

Your comment about Saudi Arabia doesn't really support your argument. I don't hear any Democrat or liberal saying anything about them. Doesn't former Pres. Clinton shill for the UAE? I remember hearing about that when the big port security flap came up earlier this year.

I agree with you about Saudi Arabia to a point. The King may be our friend, but most of his subjects hate us. Plus his extended family gives big money to the ultra-strict Islam sect called wahhabi. Which basically preaches that you either follow their version of Islam or you are an infidel who should be killed. But I still don't hear any Democrat in Congress saying that we should impose sanctions on them. Neither party has the balls to go after Saudi Arabia. You can't blame that on Bush.

Q: Why is Krazy Keith so afraid to interview a republican or a conservative?

A: Because he is afraid of being exposed as the stupid, uninformed, dumbass, disgraced commentator that he truly is.

Q: Why does TomPepsi slander Keith?

A: Because the truth is tough to take.

Just how or when did I slander Krazy Keith? I merely repeated his own words and exposed his falacies.

You're right. The truth is tough to take. Especially when you are a far-left wingnut and think that KO is your mesiah. To quote Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, "You chose poorly."

Did anyone notice he was happy last night, he was smiling, look at his smile when he mentioned those birthday names, .......

He must have seen his therpaist yesterday.

It was his gf's 23rd birthday. She must have agreed to blow him after the show.

He still does not mention her name on his TV show but he shows her off on Dan's radio show.

He will get my respect if he simply said, " and my girlfriend, blah blah ......" What a coward. Headline on New York Post!!!!

I wonder how does she feel about it. She is only 23, she needs to get a job and a career not a sugar daddy.

Once again I doubt his personality and affect me watching his show, how can I trust what he says. I do care these little things and the anchorman who brings news to my home.

I thought blowing Keith was Brian at TVNewswer's job.

What gets me is the way he always used to make fun of older male celebs who took up with much younger women like Nic Cage, Donald Trump, Tom Cruise, etc. And what's he doing? Moving in a woman who is 25 years younger than he is. I used to be a fan of his until I found out about his way too young girlfriend. I realized that there was a wide gulf between what he said on the air and what he did in his personal life and it began to make me wonder what else he was pretending to believe in on air and doing the exact opposite of off air. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he's really a closet Republican.

His career as a sportscaster failed
At jobs he's either fired or bailed
He's called a "news" host
That soon will be toast
The Murrow of hack he'll be hailed

“I thought blowing Keith was Brian at TVNewswer's job.”

I agree with you. I am not surprised if he were a Republican. He once said to Dan when defending himself of people accusing him being a liberal, that he will not vote for Mrs. Kilnton even with a gun points to his head. And now he is paired with the democrats and buddies with Mr. Klinton. My guess is his main motive is to beat his favorite person at Fox, who is a conservative. His ego is in action. Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player besides our Michael Jordan. His behavior outside the court will not affect me watching him play basketball. However, I do care about the honesty and behavior of a newscaster who brings news to my home. I will not let my children, not even my teenagers to watch his show. I think he is an excellent actor. As a newscaster, as he claimed himself and his show is a newscast, his job is to report facts to us, not to pound on someone every night.

You have left out Paul McCartney, he is a big fan of the Beatles.

Here Keith fans, here's something for you to try in your spare time, which you all seem to have way too much of. Get a tape of Murrow. Watch said tape. Now count how many mannerisms that KO has swiped from Murrow, including the dramatic head swivel, the 2nd camera shot, the casting of the eyes up and down and of course, the show sign-off itself. Keith honest and truthful? Hardly. He's an actor. And a bad one at that. Just reading lines off the teleprompter, that's all he can do and it's all he WILL do. Other than go to ballfields, sniff jocks and (try to) pork 22-year old little girls. That's your hero? Damn, you people must be hard up for heroes is all I have to say.

His career as a sportscaster failed
At jobs he's either fired or bailed
He's called a "news" host
That soon will be toast
The Murrow of hack he'll be hailed

Posted by: Katie Turic at October 27, 2006 09:50 AM

Just talking bad about him makes you all feel better huh. It must drive you crazy and make you uncomfortable to hear someone telling the rest of the country all the things you know are true but don't want to admit it. Silence him by discrediting him. It's not working.

If Edward R. Murrow did have a show right now what do you think he'd say? You would be talking about his sex life and who he used to work for. You would be making up funny names for him. He would be making you all uncomfortable about your decider. Why do you let him decide? Are you in need of assistance? Is life easier when the decider tells you what to think?

NBC Baghdad correspondent Richard Engel in the Washington Post has a real clash of perspectives. First, NBC anchor Brian Williams claimed Engel "is the most agenda-less person I've met in our business." Then Engel declared "I think war should be illegal...I'm basically a pacifist." The story included no critics of Engel's reporting, but praise from Williams and CBS colleague Lara Logan, and Engel's mother

If war is illegal, how is it enforced. With war??

Re Murrow: The answer is probably not. And you want to know why? Because Murrow earned the right to be called a journalist. He risked his life time and time again in countless battlefields to cover WWII. He had people on his show he clearly disagreed with and he challenged them just as they challenged him. When Olby does ANY of the above, I'll lay off of him and stop calling him names and making fun of his clearly challenged personal life/ethics. But until YOU Olbyloons admit he's a coward who pretends to be a real journalist, I'll keep right on calling him out and yes, poking fun at him endlessly. Too bad for you he will NEVER a) risk his life for a story and b) have anyone on his show who disagrees with him. Why do you think that is exactly? Simple. He's a coward, a fake, a phony. And the sooner you face those facts, and stop believing the propaganda he spews as being the "truth" the better off this nation would be.

That ethically-compromised coward at TVNewser posted the Richard Engel story yesterday as a "must-read," never challenging that a journalist is openly trying to impose his views on the public.

Other Stelter greatest hits:

-Posted a Jossip link the other day about Larry King, after ignoring two Jossip items about Keith Olbermann that would have reflected poorly on him.

-Ignored all links about his anti-female remarks

-Ignored several stories that said Keith his losing his marbles.

-Ignored the Page Six NY Post story about "For This Relief Much Thanks," which he's ignored throughout anyway.

I don't know why I expect more from some punk college kid who's probably been promised a non-existent job by Olbermann, but it really makes me angry that some jerkoff can tell USA Today he's fair and unbiased and he goes unchallenged by everyone except this website.

Keep pounding away at this kid, Bob. It's clearly impacting his psyche and hopefully he'll just give up his lousy site soon.

He's a coward, a fake, a phony. And the sooner you face those facts, and stop believing the propaganda he spews as being the "truth" the better off this nation would be.

Posted by: Brandon at October 27, 2006 10:37 AM

He is a TV personality. What do you expect. I am not an OLBYLOON whatever the hell that is. I listen to him and agree with him that the decider is a rotten president. If Murrow were alive he would agree. It really makes you guys mad that someone, regardless of who, is saying such terrible things about the deciders decisions. I decided the deciders decisions were dumb before I started watching Keith. Do you have to have MSNBC be just like FOX? Can't someone else have a say? You have Limbaugh and Hannity. O'reily and Coulter. Savage and Reagan. All these bad asses talking non stop shit until it makes me want to gag. Over and over about Clinton. Tell me again about Kennedys dead girlfriend. Slandering liberals like they were Bin Ladens little whores. Godless homosexuals are taking over the country. Get the hell out of the way already and let someone with a brain lead this country.

Your problem is that you're too busy screaming to read what you've written. You ADMIT that he's a "personality", not a journalist. And you seem to have no problem at all that he's playing a role and doesn't really believe the lies he's spewing just so long as they're anti-Bush and anti-GOP. Why doesn't it bother you that he's trying to push himself off as a fair and impartial news person when he's anything but? How about calling HIM on his bullshit and bluster? You don't think he should be held responsible for doing one thing and saying another? "Slandering liberals" huh? How about slandering conservatives and fellow journalists? You sure don't seem to have a problem with Olby doing it now do you? Hypocrites one and all.

I love how mad he makes you because I have sat by and listened to all your punk ass Fox friends and have had six years of the chimp grinning in my face while he sends young men to die for someone elses civil war. If you can spend so much time and anger over Keith Olbermann while the leaders of this great country make a mockery of half the population than I will spend some time here thanking Keith for making you mad. Thank you Keith.

We are all arguing about the way he is doing on TV. I agree Murrow may agree with him, but I am sure as a pure journalist as Murrow, he will not call someone name and being angry, and being phony. Murrow was not an actor, he was a journalist, reporting facts and bringing them to our homes. It is just bad and unprofessional of being angry and yelling while reading from the teleprompter. Is he angry at the teleprompter, the writer lousing writing or the facts?

"ScreamThyLastScream" naively typed: "I am not an OLBYLOON whatever the hell that is."

I love to break it to you "LastScream," you are indeed an Olbyloon. If you prefer, you may call yourself an Olbermanniac, an Olberretard, or a KeithKreep.

love to break it to you "LastScream," you are indeed an Olbyloon. If you prefer, you may call yourself an Olbermanniac, an Olberretard, or a KeithKreep.

Posted by: KfK at October 27, 2006 11:30 AM

I like KeithKreep better than a brainwashed mutant limbaugh loving Fox hypnotized Sannity lacking ding ding.

TomPepsi:

For all you right wing folks out there who just cannot understand why those of us center to left are not dancing in the street because (1) - gas prices are down, (2) - The stock market is at a historic high, & (3) - Unemployment is down, I'll try to explain:

(1) - Gas Prices: They were only "up" for a relatively short period of time, and I firmly believe they will be going back up pretty soon.
I've been watching KO's shows regularly for 2 years now, and I do not recall him making much of an issue of it when gas prices were "up" either. I knoe some Dems have made an issue of this, but I have never blamed Bush on gas prices either when they were up OR when they were down. I blame that on all of us because we should have seen the handwriting on the wall over 30 years ago and started doing something about it then.

(2) - Stock Market at a Historic High: I can't see where this makes much of a difference for the struggling middles class, or the typical wage earner. Real income continues to be down while "average" income is up....only because income is up substantially at the top. This tends to skew the "average" income to the point that it appears that wage earner's income is up as well - not true!

(3) - Unemployment is "down" - Maybe, but again - so what! 711 and, landscape, and personal servant type jobs are on the increase....terrific. Manufacturing and similar type jobs are getting scarcer and scarcer. These were the kind of jobs that helped prop up the middle class.

What you don't get is that for me and other KO supporters, it is not about any of that: It is about a President taking it upon himself to create an un-necessary war for contrived reasons that we have no easy way out of. (2) - It is about watching our country sink deeper and deeper into both domestic and international debt. (3) - It is about Presidential power grabs and the shreding of the Constitution, as well as the Geneva Convention. (4) - It is about a Republican Administration that cares nothing about the middle and lower class and only about their wealthy constituants. A president who doesn't eve try to be a president to ALL of the people, not just his rich base. (4) - I could go on and on.

In other words, it is about something greater than our own personal bank accounts or temporary well being.

Get it!

For the record? I don't watch Fox. I don't listen to Limbaugh. Now what are you going to say about me?

Most of the praise for BJ Clinton is about the economy. Under Bush the good economy gets bashed, "not good for the middle class". Why??

Without the stock market being so good, we are all out of jobs. If I have a job, I would not mind paying more tax. Lower gas price and tax cut encourage consumers to spend more. Then we all have jobs.

During Klinton era, he raised tax way too high and that was why we got a revenue. And they use our tax dollars to travel around the world, they are the most traveled family. He did not try hard to catch Bin Landen for the family wants to move into the White House again.

If we were not going to fight this war, then our next generation will, if not next, then next, then next, we get hit again and again until we all die.

Anonymous (whoever that is:

You are naive! Whether we fight this war now has NO bearing over whether the "next" Generation has to fight it. Absolute bull*#@&! As I stated earlier, it was a totally un-necessary war....unfortunately, it has done far more harm than good. Creating this war probably makes it MORE likely that the next generation will have to fight it again, and again, and again, not less.

When you talk about "tax cuts", why won't be honest and call them - tax cuts for the wealthy?
The pittiful tax cuts for ordinary Americans amounted to next to nothing, and was little more than throwing them a bone in order to accomplish the true goal - to give really substantial tax cut gifts to the rich - you and I both know that!

I didn't bring up Clinton, but YOU did. OK, lets talk about Clinton: You can make all the charges you want to about who was most responsible for not getting Bin Laden or stopping 911,but none of that can be proven. What is proven is that Clinton left Bush a balanced budget, and Bush turned that into record deficits and a record national debt in just a few short years. Yes, Clinton did dis-honor the Oval Office, but he didn't creste a war that has killed nearly 3,000 Americans and seriously wounded 20,000 more. These are the facts...everything else is spin. Even if you don't care about the diminiished lives of these 20,000 soldiers, you can bet your bottom dollar that we are going to for their paying for their care for the rest of their lives, as we should.

You know, this is supposed to be an Olbermann bashing site! So why don't most of your posts, reflect honest criticism of what he is actually saying or doing? Most of the posts are ignorant crap "Olbyloons,Lefties, commies, etc., etc. etc." that mean nothing and say nothing.
The ONLY legitimate criticism of his show is that he doen't have on right wingers very ofter....SO WHAT! CAn anybody tell me why every show need to be a clone of the last one? I watch plenty of "debate" shows myself, but sometimes I get a little tired of listening to talking heads trying to talk over each other and evade the point.

Almost no one has honesty tried to refute the FACTS he presents on almost every show. For example; Limbaughs lie about Michael J Fox not having taken his medicine just to exagerate the effects of Parkinson's desease. He is the only one I have seen present evidence that if the medication is not taken at that stage of the disease, the person becomes immobile, NOT more pronounced in the movements, as Liebaughm has alleged mre than once.

Mike- it's very rare that anyone on Olbywatch has info that disputes Keith's statements. They just point out how he "leans left" and use the tired old loon/moonbat names. Even the site's hosts Johnny $ and Cox rarely present info that dispute Keith's reports. I've determined this is just a good place for Olby Haters to vent. Nothing more.

Posted by Mike:

"You are naive! Whether we fight this war now has NO bearing over whether the "next" Generation has to fight it. Absolute bull*#@&! As I stated earlier, it was a totally un-necessary war....unfortunately, it has done far more harm than good. Creating this war probably makes it MORE likely that the next generation will have to fight it again, and again, and again, not less."

I only have about three minutes. Just enough time. Who is naive Mike. I hate to break i to you but they have hated us for many years and they will always hate us. It's pretty silly to judge history. We have people say we used WMD's on Japan. I see some snot-nosed punks running down our country today for dropping an H-bomb on Japan when it may just have happened his great, grandfather, Private Pyle did not have to invade Japan and ultimately survived WWII so that disgace of a grandson was actaully able to spring from his sons loins. Give me a break. We got sucker punched damned well when willie was getting a BJ on the desk in the Oval office. A desk where decision have been made that have sent men to their deaths, saved billions of lives, changed the outcome of our worlds and old willie boy shot a load of spunk on it. Liberals!

Our soldiers have their jobs to do, we all do. This is their profession. Let our enemy blow our country to a piece of flat land. If it does happen, just don’t blame our president who does not do his job if you still alive. Shall we blame on Olby?

However, I do agree that Rumsfeld does not do his job right, no management and strategy. He has to go.

No president dares to go to war because they want to maintain their legacy.

Tax cut for the wealthy, means create more jobs, more jobs more consumption, this is Economic 101.

Sorry, O'lielly, wrong again. And I know how much your side hates facts, but I just have to use them. Real facts, not made up crap that you people seem to like to use so much.

News

No, news is not an acronym for north, east, west, and south. In fact, there are no pre-20th century words that are derived as acronyms--acronyms are a distinctly 20th century phenomenon.

Rather, the word comes (quite obviously) from new--meaning something that has not existed before, something timely.

By the way, Mike, don't criticize my patriotism. Don't worry, I will not send you an email like KO did to his viewers.

Agree or disagree with this war, does not mean that person does not care our soldiers, what a childish thought.

Without an army, this country will not ever exist, you and I will not be able to talk with each other right now, that is all I am going to say.

Brick:

Sorry but I respectfully disagree with your tax cuts for the wealthy "economics 101" point. I know this is one of the major Republican talking points, but I don't see where this theory has ever been proven. While, I don't doubt at all that it may have created SOME new jobs, but not NEARLY in proportion to the benefits that the wealthy received with the lower taxes.

One simple fact, about tax cut, despite you are wealthy or poor, if you have more money because you pay lower tax, will you buy yourself and your family a nice dinner, that is consumption to boost up business and more businnes means more jobs, businesses are making money.

During holidays, if you know you are going to get tax cut, you may want to buy some more gifts to your family. This is business.

Unfortunately, the wealth is the driving force of the economy, we need to be paid, to bring our paychecks home to support our family. I am not saying the poor does not have driving force, they do, they have a limit, but they have the potential to become wealthy one day if they have extra money to save and have their own business, how they save money, tax cut.

When I was taking Financial Accounting last semester, our professor emphasizes that most business had rather make leas profit than pay tax. This is a fact and to be honest with you, I still cannot get through this argument with my professor.

Anonymous:

Nowhere in my post did I criticize your patriotism. Believe me, I don't doubt you patriotism for one minute. In fact, the one thing that we seem to have in common is that we both deeply care about our country, unlike many people how can't even be bothered to try to get the facts. We just interpret the facts we are getting differently, and thats not necessarily a bad thing.

Give me a break. We got sucker punched damned well when willie was getting a BJ on the desk in the Oval office.
Posted by: Thick as a Brick at October 27, 2006 01:10 PM

We didn't get sucker punched with the decider in office, we got down right tagged in the face, and the one that swung the punch is still around. Why did the decider decide not to get the guy responsible but instead picked a fight with a far easier opponent? Because, he doesn't know what he is doing.

Let's set the record straight.

Limbaugh further argued that the Democrats are exploiting Michael J. Fox's condition to "imply Senator Talent is against Stem Cell Research." These are Limbaugh's words.

Olbermann says, "Limbaugh said Fox is being exploited by Democrats, that Democrats are exploiting victims to insulate themselves from criticism. Let me play another campaign ad. This is from 2004. It was for a Republican, and then let me get your reaction to it."

Olbermann lies. Limbaugh attacked the ad for it's inaccuracy. Senator Talent HAS voted for Stem Cell Research. Talent has only voted against Embryonic Stem Cell Research based on his conscience.

If you do not believe me, here's the ad:

MICHAEL J. FOX, ACTOR: As you might now, I care deeply about stem cell research. In Missouri, you can elect Claire McCaskill who shares my hope for cures. Unfortunately Jim Talent opposes stem cell research. Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us a chance for hope. They say all politics is local, but it‘s not always the case. What you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans. Americans like me.

CLAIRE MCCASKILL (D), U.S. SENATE CANDIDATE: I‘m Claire McCaskill and I approved this message.

Check out the record, Talent has only blocked EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH, not STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Michael J. Fox did not make commercials for Republicans regarding EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH. This is the wording from the transcript:

FOX: Biomedical research could cure hundreds of diseases, save thousands of lives, and prevent millions of tears. I understand that, and so does Arlen Specter. He helped double the funding for biomedical research, more dollars for more research, for more cures.

Arlen gets it. It‘s that simple.

SEN. ARLEN SPECTER ®, PENNSYLVANIA: I‘m Arlen Specter and approved this ad to tell you there is hope for the future.

A little slight of hand. The commercials are two years apart, one says the innocuous, "biomedical research," while the current attack ad says STEM CELL RESEARCH, AND Fox specifically misrepresents the voting record of Senator Talent.

Olbermann lied.

BTW, I do not endorse Limbaugh's initial attack regarding the visual image of Fox. He was wrong to imply Fox was acting or stopped his medication. However, I have posted before that this ad is using fear to scare people to believe Senator Talent is stopping medical research. That is a lie. The emotional visual is akin to anti-abortion radicals showing pictures of fetuses. Those tactics are called wrong and over the top, and rightly so. They, like the Fox ad, are inacurrate and only meant to pull at the heartstrings of people who are vulnerable to such manipulation.

Check off another Olbermann propaganda moment.

Senator Talent HAS voted for Stem Cell Research. Talent has only voted against Embryonic Stem Cell Research based on his conscience.
Posted by: cee at October 27, 2006 02:36 PM

So you're saying he was for it before he was against it. That sounds kinda John Kerryish.

Hmmm...Blogger Doe's Savage reference is interesting. Strangely the Olberapologists don't seem to mention Savage depsite the fact that he's way further right than "Hush" or O'Reilly. As for the vitriol against Pumpkinface, I've heard it expressed statistically. Most intelligent and mentally sound newscasters/talking heads have a way of presenting their arguments that rely on facts, dialogue and at least an attempt to hide personal agendas and axes. Olberboob strays out of the bell-shaped curve in almost every innane minute of his deplorable nightly bloviating. Whether its his armpiece, hue, Mister Bush, Murrowing, flaccid arguments(Republicans and blame for "new remains" at Ground Zero as a sad example), or his disdain for middle America, he has given this site nightly ammunition. C'mon, in absolute terms, can we agree that when it comes to Keith, that obnoxious can be used as a verb, noun and adjective. Savage is in the same category: I find him entertaining but his opinions only occasionally broach fact. However, Savage at least has the confidence to engage in dialogue...

Nice work Cee...
also Rove=Stalin...any questions???

There is federal funding for EMBRYONIC stem cell research. All other funding is and has been legal.

President Bush' stance (based on ethical considerations)and current law is that the DEVELOPMENT of NEW EMBRYONIC stem cell lines and research with THE NEW STEM CELL LINES is not eligible for federal funding. The feds do fund EMBRYONIC STEM CELL, ADULT STEM CELL and BIOMEDICAL research with that one caveat re NEW EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS.

The first administration to federally fund stem cell research of any kind is President Bush's administration.

And that doesn't address what should be the primary guiding principle of this and any other research, excepting pure research. To make an accurate scientific assessment of the best approaches to concentrate on.

At this point in time, in spite of years of funding and research, the best scientific evidence we have is the following:

1. NO cures and NO breakthrough is anticipated in the forseeable future using EMBRYONIC STEM CELL research.

2. ADULT STEM CELL research has already produced positive results and harbingers much greater things to come. And other biomedical research is equally promising.

This just is not that difficult a set of facts to confuse people unless they want to be confused to bolster their already held political beliefs.

And, lastly, the ad M J Fox made included lies, exaggeration and was an appeal to maudlin emotion.
I personally sympatize with M J Fox and all others suffering from chronic, debillitating and ultimately deadly diseases. I have one myself. That does not give M J Fox or me the right to lie in a political ad or anywhere else. Nor does it protect us from being called on it.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Landshark- You'll see my Michael Savage reference if you scroll up. Nevermind. Here it is:

Red Wolf- please wipe Michael Savage's semen from your chin.

Posted by: indierik at October 26, 2006 11:29 PM

"I personally sympatize with M J Fox . . ."
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 27, 2006 03:49 PM

Whatever Grammie. You're as pathetic as George 'Maccaca' Allen saying something like "Some of my best friends are black."

Ah yes, indierik, (my 2nd favorite liberal apologist after Colbert - the great & powerful OZ)

Senator Talent has a conscientious objection of destroying nascent human life. You and Mr. Fox and Ms. McCaskill may not agree with him, and that is your right and you may vote against him.

Mr. Talent's moral decision lead him to vote against EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH. He supports STEM CELL RESEARCH. Dropping the embryo is not just a mistake.....it is a manipulation. A gross manipulation to scare uninformed individuals.

Stem Cell Research includes using adult stem cells (which HAVE "cured" diseases while embryonic stem cells have only caused tumor growth is experiments). Stem Cell Research includes umbilical cord stem cells which are also, "giving hope" for cures to Parkinsons Disease and Spinal Cord Injuries. In fact, Reeve was even starting to use his own adult stem cells to try to repair his cord prior to his death.

Mr. Fox implied that Senator Talent does not support research that will lead to disease cures.....it is untrue, and Mr. Fox is open to such fair analysis, despite his terrible physical condition.

Just as I said about anti-abortion radicals shoving cadaver fetuses in people's faces, images are used to manipulate and Mr. Fox was used as a political prop by the democratic party. They are both wrong for doing it and both tactics should be condemned.

PS You're right again, Grammie.

Thank you, Keith Olbermann, for being the voice or reason. I'm so glad your intelligence and eloquence have not been drown out by these mindless freaks who can't think for themselves. It's clear that most (not all) of the people who post here spend their days absorbing and regurgitating conservative talk radio - right down to the uncreative, unfunny nicknames. KEEP IT UP, KEITH.

Hey cee, do you see who you are dealing with? A guy takes this post: Senator Talent HAS voted for Stem Cell Research. Talent has only voted against Embryonic Stem Cell Research based on his conscience.
Posted by: cee at October 27, 2006 02:36 PM

So you're saying he was for it before he was against it. That sounds kinda John Kerryish.

Posted by: indierik at October 27, 2006 03:02 PM

And comes to that conclusion.Did he just ignore the Embryonic part?

Hey Bob, I think Keith is trojanhorsing under the "nom de plume" (or Plame), Andrea Makris!! OK, Keith, you are eloquent, intelligent and the voice of reason. And most reasonable people believe that Karl Rove is Stalin risen...

Come, come indierik. Your own words have been immortalized on OW. Your're not going to skate on by so easily anymore.

You decried the lack of civility and the everpresent name calling in place of honest debate by OW fans. That, as I'm sure you will remember, shortly after posting YOUR heartfelt wish that Parkinsons Disease and all its horrors would descend on two specific people you named.

Now, there you go again. Heaping contemptious scorn on me and spouting off about my George Macacca Allen affliction. Come now Rik. Be a man. Don't pussyfoot around what you want to say. And while you're at it, why don't you throw in some remarks about the actual issue at hand. You didn't address one of the points I made and instead hid behind that age old shield of the uninformed, name calling and insults.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

cee- I guess I'm guilty of wanting science to use anything at their disposal to help folks with terrible diseases. It's evident you and I will not agree on what you described as "nascent human life" so we'll move past this.

In all seriousness I wish M.J. Fox was more clear in the commercial he was featured in. I saw it for the first time on youtube the day it came out and it was apparent he left a loophole for the wingnuts to exploit. To me this does not change the fact Talent will not explore ALL options to help the afflicted by specific diseases/injuries. I'm sure we'll disagree and that is fine. Life would be VERY dull if everyone were me (I've intentionally made fun of myself here. So please, nobody be predictable and expand on this).

P.S. Andrea- are you busy 2nite? Maybe we can hit the town and spend some of O'Reilly's money?

Oh yeah Grammie....talking about civil debate, you should see what Colbert's been calling me on the October 23rd thread

"Inbred, mental midget, moronic, brainwashed"

You know who Colbert is? He is that tolerant liberal who has a self proclaimed IQ of 250.

I now call him OZ, The All Powerful. ("Don't pay attention to than man behind the curtain")

Please....Olbermann apologists, return to your regular ranting.....

No guilt assigned by me, indierik. Limits to medical research have been changed many times before. Use of embryos or clones in experimentation are methods I personally do not feel are ethical.

I live in NJ, the public has, by a majority allowed Embryonic Stem Cell Research and human cloning, and I accept it. I still participate in legal activities to reverse this human experimentation, but that is my right.

Grammie, I'm just reeeeaaaaaally tired of wingnuts using the line "Michael J. Fox has my deepest sympathy, BUT . . . " It is soooo phony you can't even make it up. You haven't lost any sleep over M.J. Fox (and for the record- neither have I), so stop trying to lay it on like you care.

mike writes "You clearly didn't read or understand my post based on your selective answer, nor have you watched the show if you think KO "devotes an entire show to bashing Bush".
Here is your post "For all of you who like to keep gleefully pointing out that Fox and O'reilly, are "beating the pants off MSNBC" and Olbermann in the ratings war, my answer is...SO WHAT! Olbermann gets enough of an audience to keep the show going and it has increased substantially this year, much to your chagrin. I personally could care less who has the highest ratings, but I can even give you an explanation about this that you probably won't like.
It's pretty much the same reason that right wing radio is beating the pants off of Air America, and other Liberal shows in the ratings: Many of the "righties" seem to have a psychological need to have their belief system validated by a media "leader". I don't know why this is? However, there is no evidence at all that there are more ultra conservatives out there than their polar opposites. It's just that the Liberals and the Moderates do not seem to need to constantly have their opinions reinforced by media pundants.
Now that post tells me you believe that the reason for more viewers on radio and fox news is because the "righties" need to see and hear their view and libs do not.Am I wrong on that point? Then you add this post "One other thing to consider is that MSNBC and CNN are probably "sharing" the Liberal and Moderate viewers, while Fox has virtually all of the right.
That seems to tell me that because all the "righties" only have fox news they go there.But the libs have so many other venues they are spread out but add them up and the gap is closer.Am I wrong there? So that last comment seems to overide your original "righties" seem to have a psychological need to have their belief system validated by a media "leader". Basically your saying there are more lib outlets than conservative and thats why fox is winning the ratings war.That would be a valid point but you claim libs could care less (even tho, if by following youir logic its closer if you add all the libs up from all stations)and would also mean that the 'righties" at least have one place in the media to see a different view which is what many on the right claim has always been a lib slant on all network and cable shows. Okay, thats how I understood your post and my"selective" answer was those viewing KO's show.My point was who would watch KO's show but libs needing reinforcement.Wheter you agree with Bush or not every or just about every show has a story on how Bush is wrong.Yes I have watched his shows a few times and ok so it's not all Bushbashing but his show usually goes like this.One story where KO lectures how Bush is wrong and brings his expert in to agree.Then a story about conservatives with the same m.o.as the Bush one.Then oddball (which is pretty good sometimes)Then a non-political story (no problem with that)Then worst person where 99% are conservative and then a hollywood story.Usually in that order. And yes I diSlike KO even when he was at ESPN.I thought he was pompous and arrogant and when he made a tongue-in-cheek joke at someone else's expense it just sounded mean-spirited.And thats the way I still see him as a man with a lot of hate.George Bush has made mistakes yes but how can you disagree with everything? Is KO really a political genius who has all the answers? That's not patriotic it's just hate. Sorry for the long post but wanted to get my point accross.

I feel sorry for Michael J Fox and I support stem-cell research. Tell me indierik, how am I being a "phony" here exactly?

Brandon, I'm talking about wingnuts that throw out the statement "Michael J. Fox has my deepest sympathy, BUT . . . " and their real agenda is to crush him because he has an anti-Talent message. I don't believe they truly sympathize as much as they view Fox as an inconvience for taking on a Republican candidate. After a week of hearing conservative radio/TV hosts preface their statements with how sorry they feel for Fox I hit a boiling point when I saw Janet doing the same.

Indierik, there you go again. GRAMMIE IS NOT anybody else. I am who I say I am, I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. I refer you to my post on Countdown 10/26 @ 12:17 PM if you haven't already read it. I also refer you to my post today @ 3:47 PM laying out very precisely my views on the subject of biomedical research and funding for it.

You might notice if you read my posts with an open mind that I stick to the facts and the pragmatic approach to funding. I believe the overblown rhetoric that ignores the facts will hinder meaningfull research and encourage squandering the available money.

You still have not responded to me and some others with anything but personal slurs. You have now included lying and callousness as an insult.

I don't know about you, but I have a very personal stake in the outcome of biomedical research. You are accusing me of going against my own best interests and heartfelt desires that hold out some hope for me. Because? I'm a contemptible, racist, lying, callous wingnut? Oh Rik, how well you know me! :D

I can't even figure out why you bother reading anyone else's words at all. You seem to base your replies on that omniscient knowledge of everyone elses mind and soul that you alone possess.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Indierik, I see our posts have crossed in the mail. I am copying the whole sentence that you claim I made and was your justification for righteously lashing out at me:

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I personally sympatize with M J Fox and all others suffering from chronic, debillitating and ultimately deadly diseases. I have one myself. That does not give M J Fox or me the right to lie in a political ad or anywhere else. Nor does it protect us from being called on it.
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If you will notice that sympathy I expressed INCLUDES ME! I would not trade illnesses with M J Fox. He has the worst of it. That does not mean that my life for the last fifteen years has been easy and will very likely end prematurely.

And that is my point re M J Fox. The fact that I have had a life of sickness and pain for fifteen years doesn't give me the right to participate in a lie any more than it does M J Fox.

What have you come to? The Battle of the Victims? And if you can't disagree with either M J Fox or me, you've got an unsolvable dilemma.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Kariss56:

No I never said I though KO had all the answers, nor do I believe any such thing. There are things about his personality that irritates me a little at times. What he and I have in common is a deep belief that the Bush Presidency has seriously damaged this country, and that is a very hard thing not to be angry about if you believe this as deeply as I do.

When I stated the liberal and moderate audience appears to be split between two networks, it was not an admission that the Libs have more outlets. The key word you missed here is "moderates". I strongly believe that that are far more moderates in America than either Liberals OR conservatives, and both parties are guilty of ignoring them - but Republicans more so than Democrats.

Mike how can you be so sure you and Olbermann share deep beliefs? How are you so very sure that what Olbermann spews he in fact BELIEVES?

Well Brandon, I guess he could be one heck of an actor, but I don't think so. I can see it in his eyes in his special commentary series. On the other hand, if you are skeptical about what I believe, then you probably wouldn't see this at all.

At least I can find Olbermann's commentary in MSM sources where as to what Fox News and others in conservative pundit corp have to say that really have no truth what so ever to them. I Google that crap, I run it through every search engine available and guess what it isn't there.

"And if you can't disagree with either M J Fox or me, you've got an unsolvable dilemma."

No, because we know who Fox is, and can check his story. You are probably a bald-headed gay Republican operative who uses a half-dozen monikers on this foolish site.

Lady Rump of Lamb, au contraire, madame. You have my name and an opportunity to know some details of my life if you wish. Contrast that with the name you provide. For all I know you could be KO or anyone and anything else.

You jumped in an ongoing discussion and as usuall use a KO tactic that does not address the point made. If you are really interested in an honest debate please see my post on Countdown for 10/24 made on 10/28 @2:05 AM. You could also reference my post at this site on 10/27 @ 3:49 PM. Although there is some overlapping, these two posts combined are an accurate argument of my position

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

PS, you're slipping Lady Rump. That post was a somewhat anemic twofer.

I wonder how Keith Olbermann feels knowing that he affected these imbeciles so much that they had to create this masturbatory site?

Pretty good I bet.

I think this is a better place to post this. Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie. I didn’t get a chance to offer a rebuttal to your interesting post on stem cell research. The thread from the 24th is now closed so I am posting it here.

“I don't see much in common from this ad from several years ago to the one M J Fox made and disseminated recently. One, biomedical research and NEW EMBRYONIC STEM CELL lines and research are not the same thing. A person can be for biomedical research and opposed to the subset of the development of and research on new embryonic stem cell lines. Two, based on my general knowledge of Arlen Spector I am sure that the ad stated his position accurately. Perhaps that accounts for your misreading of why some people have no problem with one and are speaking out against the other.”

There is no misreading here at all. The ad you quote while not directly saying stem cell research was cut because, as a sufferer of Hodgkin's lymphoma, Arlene Spector is one of the leaders in the fight for embryonic stem cell research. Fox cut that ad because he supports Spector in that fight. As long as he was supporting a Republican there were no attacks from the GOP talking heads against Fox.

I suppose you could be correct, in your assumption that the GOP talking heads didn’t realize stem cell research was the reason Fox was stumping for Spector, given the general language of that ad, that is reasonable. The more likely explanation though is that the new ads could potentially cost Republicans the Senate. That is why the GOP attack dogs have come out swinging unlike before.

“ I would guess that a poll of a thousand adults at ramdom would indicate that most people can't differentiate between stem cell research, new embryonic stem cell lines and existing embryonic stem cell lines. There is a very real difference between the three and the creators of that ad must know it.”

Janet, How is it remotely possible to cover the differences between the types of stem cell research in a 30 second ad? You can lament the fact that we have a sound byte culture if you like, but accusing one political ad of not covering the nuances of an issue is ridiculous. No political ads do that. There isn’t time and the GOP are certainly as guilty as the Democrats in that regard.

“Concentrating on the red herring that Rush created is not going to help. Rush stepped over the line on that one. It has not been helpful to the debate of the facts of the matter.”

On that we are in complete agreement

“I'm sorry. I don't understand what you are trying to say. I would go further and state that virtually everyone is in favor of funding stem cell research. And it is being funded by the feds, states, charities and private investment. The only exception is using federal funding involving creating new embryonic stem cell lines. The feds do fund embryonic stem cell research on existing lines. Their is also no federal laws preventing others from creating new embryonic lines"

Earlier this year, Talent co-sponsored a bill that would ban all embryonic stem-cell research and impose a $1 million fine and jail sentence on violators. That to me looks like the actions of someone who opposes embryonic stem cell research. He eventually withdrew his support but I am guessing his change of heart was more political than personal. Either way, given Fox’s own beliefs there is certainly reason to feel safer with the other candidate.

“The greatest gains have involved ADULT STEM CELL RESEARCH (which IS federally funded) and umbilibcal cord blood stem cells (also federally funded). This research has already produced viable treatments. The scientific community also sees some major breakthroughs coming in the near future. They know enough now to make knowedgable predictions.”

There are adult stems only for certain systems in the body. One example is the hematopoietic stem cell which has been in use for years in bone marrow transplants. But, for some systems, such as the pancreatic beta cells there are no adult stem cells - the option is not available. In addition to this adult cells have other obstacle,s Adult stem cells may be unsuitable for regeneration of damaged tissues in the case of elderly patients or due to presence of cancer in the bone marrow. Finally it's been very difficult to grow sufficient numbers of adult stem cells to regenerate tissues or create replacement organs. All of these are potential areas the embryonic stem cell research could address.

“The potential for EMBRYONIC stem cell research results has been vastly overhyped. Not only have no viable treatments materialized, enough is now known that the scientific community doesn' see it coming soon. All of this information is available to the layman in many magazines, newspapers and on the internet.”

The majority of medical journals I have read feel that there is great promise in stem cell research. It may be a ways off but because something is not around the corner is no reason to not pursue it.

“I can tell you one major obstacle I read about recently. Embyonic stem cells cause tumors in lab animals. A professor from MIT said that solving the tumor problem is the equivalent to finding a cure for cancer. Quite a big problem to be solved before they can even start develope to individual applications.”

In lab rats the rate that developed cancer was about 20% of the mice injected. Many got better. According to one medical journal I read it is possible to use a procedure called nuclear transplantation to replace the DNA of an embryonic stem cell with DNA from one of the patient's own cells, eliminating the problem of immune rejection

”Fair enough. His current ad addresses stem cell research. But he is talking about EMBRYONIC stem cell research. And this is a difference with a real difference. I would say this is the first red herring.”

Well no. embryonic stem cell research is stem cell research. Just like adult stem cell research is stem cell research. The ad didn’t get into specifics but again the GOP didn’t care about the Spector ad which certainly was more general than the Missouri ad. But your right they avoided a potential firestorm with some voters by not getting specific and explaining which kind of stem cell reaearch they were differing on.

“Second, in the ad in Missouri he accused Talent of trying to criminalize the science that gives a chance for a cure and voted against stem cell research. Neither statement is true.”

I’m sorry but you are wrong. First off the ad said, Jim talent “wanted to criminalize the science that gives us hope," Which is true Earlier this year, Talent co-sponsored a bill that would ban all embryonic stem-cell research and impose a $1 million fine and jail sentence on violators. In fairness he eventually withdrew support for his own bill but he wanted to criminalize it.

“Additionally, I suffer from a chronic, debillitating and frequently painfull disease. Close to fifteen years now. And it will end my life sooner rather than later. And that doesn't entitle me to lie and than hide behind my poor, pitiful victimhood. That was the point that seems to have gotten so many in a dither. How callous and uncaring Grammie is.”

I am genuinely very sorry you are suffering. However, I don’t think cutting an ad for a candidate you support is hiding behind victim hood. I don’t know the man but Fox certainly has a vested interest in a cure. That ad to me said “Vote for this person, they are in favor of pursing what I believe will help people like me.” If you want to argue that you think he is wrong in what will work that is fair. If you think that the ad oversimplified the issue that is certainly fair (on about any political ad ever made for that matter.) When I jumped in this thread I mistakenly thought you were taking the Limbaugh position on the matter that Fox was faking. I think personal any attacks on Fox is a pretty low thing to do. But If you think his ideas aabout science are wrong that is fair. I disagree but it is a valid line of argument. If you think he misrepresented certain things that is also fair. I think you are not allowing for the fact that he had 30 seconds to make his case and I think he honestly believe that the Democrats are right on this issue. but there is nothing wrong to saying lets delve further into this Or I disagree.

JT, what were you thinking? Grammie had to borrow Miss Pitty Pat's smelling salts. A reasoned, polite, orderly, point by point argument that made me think and go do some research before I get back to you.

This is a gold star moment. An absolute first. I really appreciate it. Get back to you as soon as I can.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

JT, I got to this point and somehow closed this page and lost it all. I definitely won't be able to finish today. The witching hour is fast approaching and I have some little goblins who are expecting me.

JT RESPONDED:
"Earlier this year, Talent co-sponsored a bill that would ban all embryonic stem-cell research and impose a $1 million fine and jail sentence on violators. That to me looks like the actions of someone who opposes embryonic stem cell research. He eventually withdrew his support but I am guessing his change of heart was more political than personal. Either way, given Fox�s own beliefs there is certainly reason to feel safer with the other candidate."

GRAMMIE RESPONSE:
Grammie cries 'Uncle' on this one. Don't get too excited. I have spent quite a while trying to find a definitive site that addresses this. Could I impose on you to cite some sources since you obviously have done some research yourself.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

I have a question for all of you who so blindly support Mr.Bush and his corrupt regime.

How many of you make over $250,000 a year?

I'm guessing none of you so you realize that The thief-n-chief could give a shit less about you! You mean NOTHING to him!

It is common knowledge that he has never done anything to help the middle and lower class. All we are to him are cannon fodder to send to Iraq to be bullet catchers for his own personal war.

Will one of you please tell me what the hell this monster has done for you to make you all into mindless zombies following his every word as if it was the word of god itself? What has happened to your free will? How has he made you so blind that you cannot see how evil he is, it is right there in his eyes and his evil grin. How anyone cant see this is beyond me.

First he steals the elections then he starts a war of choice that has nothing to do with 9-11, then he slowly one at a time steals our rights and freedom right out from under us because were all so damn chicken-shit scared that the big bad terroist might come back and hurt us that we just roll over and let them stick it to us.

I'm sorry but anyone that still supports Bush even after all that has happened over the last six years
is either just as evil as he is
or just as stupid!

I'll cop to extra evil AND really, really stupid. Do I get to go to the head of the class now. I always love it when I have more than others. :D

Janet Hawkins
Grammie

Ha Ha Bloody Ha! If you can laugh it up while our constitution is being shredded by this power hungry madman, If your that completely sure that King Bush is so right about the war then you and all the other Bush backers should go and sign up to fight the war and if your to old or out of shape then you should have your kids go fight because the Fuhrer says we have to stay the course and God knows our Dear leader cant be wrong!

Blogger Doe, does this mean I don't get a prize? Darn, I have been having such nice daydreams about what it might be.

I'll get to you with my answer as soon as I fix my tin foil hat and get my official 'Evil and Stupid' directive.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie