Stay the course.

So,, Jr. learned it from his daddy... I am sure glad that Dumbya did not have any male children. Stay the course.. after all it has been so successful.

to bad your mother did not abort you o'leilly....or maybe she did.
so what's the biggest douche bag on TV going to do when the democrats DON'T win on elections day.
sound taps for the olbermann.

So,, Jr. learned it from his daddy... I am sure glad that Dumbya did not have any male children. Stay the course.. after all it has been so successful.

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at October 27, 2006 09:05 PM

I guess two or three more posts for this ass wipe and it will be night night time.

So Olbermann was making fun of a woman with an eating disorder or drug problem or both on tonight's show. Would GOD do that I ask you KO defenders? Huh? And calling someone else fat and pasty? Would God do that either? Will you people please face the fact tha Olbermann is mean, sarcastic, egotistical and has a real problem with women the way he slams them constantly. I fail to see the humor in someone being committed to a hopsital for an eating disorder but I'm sure Codas and O'Lielly will just think it's hysterically funny.

GREAT photo of the real keith olbermann- i always knew he was a horse's ass!

Waterboard O'leilly! that's a course we can stay!

I still don't get it who will want to date this guy.

Of bandwidth Meltdown is a waste
Every night it leaves a bad taste
The ratings are low
The last place "news show"
NBC should have it erased

Nancy, please make someone else kill themselves so your ratings will go back up and put Olby back in fourth place again.

I sat there with my mouth open as he pooh-poohed Webb's works as being simply works of fiction. This from a man who took great relish in quoting from fiction works by Lynne Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, and Scooter Libbey on-air, indicating that they somehow offered up stunning insights into their mind-sets. So let me get this straight. Fictional works by Republicans involving sex scenes are evidence of their kinkiness but fictional works written by Dems that describe child molestation and sex with children are just harmless works of fiction which mean absolutely nothing? Okay codas & O'lielly please explain to us all this great discrepency in Olby's mindset? If you can't see this glaring bit of bias and hypocrycy on Olby's part than the two of you are truly deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid where Olbermann and the truth are concerned.

Amazing! You people really are obsessed with a media pundant you don't like. Thats why we have different shows and a remote control. What is your problem!

So your answer to everything is just to turn off our TV's. It doesn't bother you a bit to see this man's biases displayed so vividly on a nightly basis does it just so long as it's a liberal bias being displayed. Here's a hint for you: don't vote because you don't like George W! Makes as much sense as your suggestion to us there "Mikey".

Hooray for Olbermann! Finally someone in the mainstream media has the guts to take on the "Emperor with no clothes." Olbermann tells the truth about this dishonest, incompetent Aministration and the right wingnuts hate him for it.

But Olbermann ignores the truth about the Democrats. You know what that makes him? A hypocrite and a liar. Not a hero.

Olbermans an idiot. We need to waterboard every damn liberal and raghead in the world! Declare Olberman an enemy combatant and send him to Gitmo! If you don't understand that we have to stay the course in Iraq no matter what, youre a complete moron.

Little Katy is pregnant. It's the reason she's living with him.

I'm not BS'ing about this.

Good news for KO. One night this week, for an entire two seconds, his show garnered almost 80 percent of the audience O'Reilly's 11pm re-run gets among the all-important, coveted demographic of constipated men over 40. Way to go Keith!!

To - Not a Journalist:

Duh, yes, the answer is to just to change the channel and allow those of us who enjoy KO to continue to do so. What is your answer? to Censure him...throw him off the air?

That would be fine if we also throw off Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Hume, etc. along with him...I think you get the idea!

Olbermann and his predictable catterwalling leaves one feeling soiled. The pasty thighed man with the clownish face must know he is the caricature of a tool. At this point does even HE believe the blather he bleats? Probably not. How do you suppose he is spending that street-cred for flaming liberal nutjobs? My guess he is spending it on illicit sexual encounters with persons unknown and unknowing.

Little Katy is pregnant. It's the reason she's living with him.
********************************************
I wonder who the real father is? :)

Low blow?...It's no worse than any personal shot KO takes at other people.

No, what I want to do is to see this supposed-newscaster present the news in an unbiased way. Hannity & O'Reilly have OPINION shows. Olbermann is supposedly running a NEWS show. Either reformat and correctly label Olby's show as an OPINION show or make him cover the NEWS in a fair manner. THAT IS THE ANSWER!

-Bob Nay - Cunningham - signing statements - loss of Habeus Corpus - Tom Delay - war in Iraq - Mark Foley - Katrina - more tax cuts for the rich - stay the course - your doing a fine job Brownie - war in Iraq - mission accomplished - Valerie Plame - Jack Abramoff - record deficits - war in Iraq - record National debt - over 40 million without health insurance - war in Iraq - port security by the UAW - Scooter Libby - Insurgency is in it's last throes - nearly 3,000 Americans killed in Iraq - 20,000 Americans seriously wounded Americans in Iraq - It's a slam dunk - Haliburton - Harriet Myers - record trade deficits - don't cut and run - more & more outsourced American jobs - adapt and win - Donald Rumsfeld - trashing the Geneva Convention - trashing the Constitution - Abu Gharab - Quantanamo - etc, etc,. etc.............

Had enough - vote Democrat!

If you don't understand that we have to stay the course in Iraq no matter what, youre a complete moron.

Posted by: Rock at October 27, 2006 10:08

I guess Bush is a moron cause he said he was never about stay the course. NYAH!

He's dad's an idiot psychotic nut-case whackjob and his mother is a teenage slut. But hey maybe now britney spears can make fun of KO's parenting skills!

Such complete hypocrisy from a guy who characterizes himself as being nonpolitical.

Good job, Johnny.

valerie plame? that bullshit has been shown to be a democrat fart in the wind. who cares?

like most of the dogs that won't hunt that Olby insists on pursuing with his crack team of nothing "reporters" like David Schuster. What a joke.

So Not Joking: when is the baby due and how is Olby taking the news? Any nuptials planned?

Olbermann and his fans prove that they only care about their agenda. The truth is an inconvenience.

Webb had his dirty tricks handed back to him, and few will vote for a freak who writes graphically about father-son incest. Olby would vote for him, of course, since he is in favor of the practice. But what would you expect from a man who hears dogs talking to him?

Only a little while left until it all comes unglued. All the time wasted. All the money and lives. Republican rule. It really seriously sucked. All because republican voters didn't hold them to a higher standard. They got power and keeping the power was what became the priority, not serving the public. Divisive. Slandering. Hateful and corrupted. Torture. War without a clear victory. Sad.

It ain't over til Diebold counts the votes. And then let's see who'll be doing the screaming. LOL.

It ain't over til Diebold counts the votes. And then let's see who'll be doing the screaming. LOL.

Posted by: Brandon at October 27, 2006 11:14 PM

It shall be you. It will be a welcome release. Maybe you will see that the last six years was a horible mistake. He was not up to the job. He has little respect for his own senators and congress. Now he will wish they were still there.

I hope that the poor decider doesn't have a break down on national television soon. I suspect that he might.

We need to waterboard every damn liberal and raghead in the world!
Posted by: Rock at October 27, 2006 10:08 PM

And here's ANOTHER case of ANOTHER racist on Olby Watch. Were you the same person that called Senator Obama a "Democratic Chimp" earlier this week?

How do you know I voted for Bush in 2000 or 2004? I certainly don't recall anyone else being in the booth with me at the time I hit that touch screen.

You know, assumptions are very dangerous things "Scream". Perhaps you should stick to FACTS. See, that's my main problem with Olbermann, he's quite selective in the stories he chooses to cover and they are remarkably fact-free and in fact, normally are filled with flat-out lies. THAT's my problem with him, and his obvious bias. If he chooses to correctly his show as opinion, not news, then I'll lay off of him. If he chooses instead to keep insisting he hosts a news show, then I'll continue to demand he covers stories from ALL angles, not just the Democratic talking points.

Well Olby called Chris Wallace a monkey and that's a well-known anit-Jewish slur. Wallace is Jewish. I didn't hear you screaming about bigotry when Olby did it.

We need to waterboard every damn liberal and raghead in the world!
Posted by: Rock at October 27, 2006 10:08 PM

This is the typical talk tough hate spewing that is supposed to get a reaction out of a liberal. It just makes me feel sorry for how week they must realy feel inside.

Olbermann is a Cylon!

Scream- Yeah, they talk tough, but the funny thing is how big of cowards a majority of them are. Folks like Cheney and Rove haven't even been in a fist fight in their lives.

Scream- Yeah, they talk tough, but the funny thing is how big of cowards a majority of them are. Folks like Cheney and Rove haven't even been in a fist fight in their lives.

Posted by: indierik at October 27, 2006 11:33 PM

And you know the reason they are always acting so bad ass is because they know they are not. The biggest dogs are the mildest. It's the little insecure ones that want to rip your leg off.

Scream- Yeah, they talk tough, but the funny thing is how big of cowards a majority of them are. Folks like Cheney and Rove haven't even been in a fist fight in their lives.

Posted by: indierik at October 27, 2006 11:33 PM

And you know the reason they are always acting so bad ass is because they know they are not. The biggest dogs are the mildest. It's the little insecure ones that want to rip your leg off.

"This is the typical talk tough hate spewing that is supposed to get a reaction out of a liberal. It just makes me feel sorry for how week they must realy feel inside."

What day of the "week" do they feel?

(How can you tell that these statements were truly sent by a "they"?)

Wo Brandon! I bet you have really put the fear of God into KO with that post. I'm sure he'll do anything just to get you to lay off of him.

What day of the "week" do they feel?

Posted by: Anonymous at October 27, 2006 11:50 PM

Smart ass.

Jonnie-Dollar:

I see in your critique where you claim that waterboarding "has saved thousands of lives".

Can you prove that?

Mike- it works because O'Reilly said it works. Didn't you see when he dressed down John McCain trying to prove his point? I mean come on, it's not like McCain knows anything about torture.

Mike,
Your right waterboarding is a waste. they should recive bullets in the head!

Olby has become so full of himself! His "opinions" have had a much harsher tone of late, likely due to his own realization that he is on his way out, not the republicans. That's what happens when you disguise yourself as a journalist when all you really are is a shallow thinking poser.

Olby fans just answer one question: How can you not see the blatant hypocrisy tonight with Olbermann’s opinion on Webb’s book in light of his earlier attacks on conservative fiction writers and still view him as having any shred of journalistic credibility? Please no answers with the names O'Reilly, Hannity, Bush or any other conservatives in it. Stay focused for once on Olbermann and not change the subject back to why all Republicans are evil and how messed up Iraq is. Was it not a blatant attempt by Olbermann to spread propaganda and smear a Republican on his news cast (and yes it is a news cast and not an opinion show as described by the MSNBC website) simply for political reasons?

Jim, what conservative books are you refering to? The conservative FICTION writers I know are O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Boortz, et cetera.

Olby has become so full of himself! His "opinions" have had a much harsher tone of late, likely due to his own realization that he is on his way out, not the republicans.

Posted by: Regular Jay at October 28, 2006 12:24 AM

You are delusional. If the republicans "win" this next election it will be only because the fix is in. The country will not stand for it this time.

O'Reilly and Scooter Libby. Taken from above: "If a Democrat writes a book like this, "Fat Ass" Olbermann does not tell us how it is a "look into his mind". No, he rushes to disregard it as an off-subject, irrelevant diversion. Far from suggesting the writer's head be figuratively put on a pike somewhere, KO instead demonizes those who raised the issue. But who raised the issue regarding Bill O'Reilly's work of fiction? And who raised the issue of Scooter Libby's fictional writing? None other than Keith Olbermann, The Worst Best Hypocrite in the World."

None other than Keith Olbermann, The Worst Best Hypocrite in the World."

Posted by: jim at October 28, 2006 12:42 AM

Just admit it guys. The reason Keith upsets you is not because of anything other than the fact that someone on the air is actually and finally calling it like it is. He is doing this country a great favor right now. If he is an egomaniac or shacking up with a young women is not what bothers you. It sure doesn't seem to bother some of you about what Limbaugh does. Or congressmen. You just hate hearing that your great decider is a poor excuse for a world leader.

But who raised the issue regarding Bill O'Reilly's work of fiction?
Posted by: jim at October 28, 2006 12:42 AM

Jim, I'm laughing as I type. All I can say is "thank you" for admitting that Bill O is a FICTION writer.

Scream Thy Last Scream,

The Republicans are going to fix the election, huh? Obviously you have not read the newspapers on how the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a liberal voter registration organization, is under investigation in numerous states for voter registration fraud. Tens of thousands of bad registration forms were sent it. Can you point to one instance where Republicans have been caught in trying to stealing an election. (you cannot point to FL in 2000 because in the end when all the votes were tallied Gore still received less votes than Bush).

We had Olbermann on during our Waterboarding "how to" class tonight, but we had to turn it off because it was just unbearable. Our instructor was worried about the long term affects a show like Olbermann's would have on us. By the way I think Letterman and Olbermann are twins.

> I see in your critique where you claim that waterboarding "has saved thousands of lives". Can you prove that?

That's why I put one of those things called "links" in the article. If you click on it, it will take you to the evidence you seek.

I realize that no-one actually reads most of JD's posts, or even probably bothers to follow the links (accepting instead to blindly believe what he says is true) so I guess no-one caught that the 'pontificated' and 'probative' links have nothing to do with the issue at hand (lifenews.com?)
I, for one, would've liked to see what KO had said since I can't seem to find any indication here or in the transcripts (though I will admit I didn't search for very long).

The Republicans are going to fix the election, huh? Obviously you have not read the newspapers on how the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a liberal voter registration organization, is under investigation in numerous states for voter registration fraud. Tens of thousands of bad registration forms were sent it. Can you point to one instance where Republicans have been caught in trying to stealing an election. (you cannot point to FL in 2000 because in the end when all the votes were tallied Gore still received less votes than Bush).

Posted by: tim at October 28, 2006 12:52 AM

What I am saying is with the polling thats been done, and the mood of the country in general there has to be a big turnover coming. If there is not I would wonder why. I wouldn't put anything past this administration. I don't trust them as far as I could spit.

Have you even read O'Reilly's books or are you just discrediting O'Reilly as a “fiction writer” simply because he is a conservative. We discredit Olbermann because he is obviously lying/telling half truths in almost every case or most often than not flat wrong in his analysis, not solely because he is a liberal.

I have some serious issues with the critiques offered on this site. I am not saying that everything that is said in the show analysis is worng. There are valid points brought up by the moderators. The problem I have is that the tone in their critique matches the tone of the one they are spend so much effort debunking. What I really gather in the debate here is that the moderators and Olbermann are really the same thing. Both present facts and analysis that are biased in their observation. Both come of as arrogant and self righteous. As much as you can be certain Olbermann won't like the next move Bush takes, you can be just as certain the moderators here will not like Olbermann's view on this.

The most silly thing is that this site spends so much time debunking a last place talk show host. Aren't his ratings justification enough to you that he is full of shit? No one watches him. If this site really wanted to be interesting, it would be called O'Reilly Watch. They could then offer a critique of a guy who has 2 million viewers a night. That won't happen though. Instead of being interesting, this site swims in the same murky waters as liberal sites that spend their time doing the same thing to Bill O"Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. I feel so much frustration at both.

> links have nothing to do with the issue at hand...

And...

> I, for one, would've liked to see what KO had said since I can't seem to find any indication here...

Thereby demonstrating that you didn't even click on the link you dismissed as irrelevant. True OlbyLoon logic.

I have some serious issues with the critiques offered on this site. I am not saying that everything that is said in the show analysis is worng. There are valid points brought up by the moderators. The problem I have is that the tone in their critique matches the tone of the one they are spend so much effort debunking. What I really gather in the debate here is that the moderators and Olbermann are really the same thing. Both present facts and analysis that are biased in their observation. Both come of as arrogant and self righteous. As much as you can be certain Olbermann won't like the next move Bush takes, you can be just as certain the moderators here will not like Olbermann's view on this.

The most silly thing is that this site spends so much time debunking a last place talk show host. Aren't his ratings justification enough to you that he is full of shit? No one watches him. If this site really wanted to be interesting, it would be called O'Reilly Watch. They could then offer a critique of a guy who has 2 million viewers a night. That won't happen though. Instead of being interesting, this site swims in the same murky waters as liberal sites that spend their time doing the same thing to Bill O"Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. I feel so much frustration with these websites where intelligent people spend their time being partisan hacks.

". . are you just discrediting O'Reilly as a “fiction writer” simply because he is a conservative.
Posted by: jim at October 28, 2006 01:00 AM

Jim, today O'Reilly said on his radio show that he's not a conservative, but a "traditionalist". So "thanks again" for confirming something Bill can't admit to himself.

Gnite and good luck.

What does the link
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1816.html
on 'pontificated' and 'probative' have to do with O'Reilly's and Libby's books?

The link is entitled:
Michael J. Fox Records Second Misleading Stem Cell Research Ad

So I repeat but with clearer language since you seem to have a problem in understanding:
"the 'pontificated' and 'probative' links [are inccorrect links and] have nothing to do with the issue at hand (lifenews.com?)
I, for one, would've liked to see what KO had said since I can't seem to find [via search] any indication here [at this website] or in the transcripts"

Or rather the link takes you to something about MJFox.

I heard about this website and thought I would visit it. This is a joke---right. The people running this can't be serious. Do you really want to compare the truthfulness and accuracy of what Olbermann says to what the likes of Limbaugh, Cavuto, Hannity, O'Reilly, the entire Bush adminsistration, all of FOX News say every day? I'd say I feel bad for you, but I don't. You are helping to destroy this country.

HEY! If you enjoyed that Scooter reading, check out the stuff from the QUEEN OF ALL SMUT, Lynn Cheney. (She's a spicy one, don't 'cha know?)You know, that little blond trollop married to VP Dick Cheney? Yeah, that one, the one with the lesbian daughter? I knew you could dig that.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/lynne-cheney-tells-cnn-that-lesbian.html

Blitzer asked her about it.

From CNN:
CNN'S WOLF BLITZER: But you had written a book entitled "Sisters."

LYNNE CHENEY: I did write a book entitled "Sisters."

BLITZER: And it did have lesbian characters.

CHENEY: No, not necessarily. This description is a lie, I'll stand on that.

BLITZER: There is nothing in there about rapes and brothels?

CHENEY: Wolf, could we talk about a children's book for a minute?

Now tell me again about moral high ground would you Robert or Johnny?

It's all about the hypocrisy of even bringing it up.

I heard about this website and thought I would visit it. This is a joke---right. The people running this can't be serious. Do you really want to compare the truthfulness and accuracy of what Olbermann says to what the likes of Limbaugh, Cavuto, Hannity, O'Reilly, the entire Bush adminsistration, all of FOX News say every day? I'd say I feel bad for you, but I don't. You are helping to destroy this country.

I've got to tell y'all, this website is total shit. I saw this site linked from somewhere else and was interested in what a nit picky critic of Olberman was saying (out of curiosity regarding what wingers were saying). Instead I found this lame-ass site where every post seems to copy the transcript from the previous Countdown show. The deuche who runs this site is lazy, incompetent, and/or just not that bright.

Stay the course.

"I feel so much frustration with these websites where intelligent people spend their time being partisan hacks."

Uhh this is about the most hilarious crock I have yet to find on my favorite internet sight, KO Watch, as if the writer of the above quote can judge who is intelligent when he boasts about Bill O'really's number of viewers as if quantity and quality are some how interchangeable.

This page is great. Where else can the frustrated observer of America's under class go to vent about the pin heads that like to wallow in their delusions of grandeur by reading their Limbaugh/Hannity garbage on a web page. Like whipping out your self phone in the grocery store check out to call someone so you can show the world that your up and coming in your quest to live beyond the trailer park culture your parents raised you in.

The fact that Fox News and Bill O'liely are leading in viewers reflects more about the level of wide spread ignorance in American culture rather than about the correctness of their content. All one has to do is see that it is a media outlet that caters to the same desires of the bible belt culture that put Swaggert, Jim and Tammy Baker, Farwell and dozens of other Hillbilly preachers on the television as representatives of them. Tammy Baker is a shining example of why Fox News and Bill O'really are big hits!

Keep up the good work. This page is a delight!

"Stay the Course" was hilarious.

Here's some more MUZZLED MUTTS

Hastert Office Blocked Corruption Probe

David Safavian "I Don't Want to Go to Jail"

White House Backpedals on Cheney "No-Brainer" Torture Comment

Gibbons: The Cover-Up is Worse than the Attempted Rape Allegation

ABC: Rep. Kolbe Was "Problem" for Page Program, Source Says
Bush stumps for Jeff Lamberti, keeps calling him “Dave.”

Bush stumps for Jeff Lamberti, keeps calling him “Dave.”

“The commissioner of internal revenue has ordered his agency to delay collecting back taxes from Hurricane Katrina victims until after the Nov. 7 elections and the holiday season, saying he did so in part to avoid negative publicity,”

WOW! Dead Guy Ale (Newport, Oregon) makes this site a lot more tolerable.

Keep an eye out for a new beer from Eugene called "Ninkasi" it will be a hit for the micro beer lovers!

I must apologize; I thought you were asking about the question in the post immediately above yours regarding waterboarding. But you did specify two links that were in error and have been fixed. Though what Olby said IS directly quoted after each link.

Thank you. I found one of the links but I want to see the other.

JD:

When you directed me back to your link regarding waterboarding, I really thought I was going to see something eye opening. However, all the link did was put me back to an earlier edition of your OB bashing forum. I saw no proof there, as you seemed to allege.

The administration, except for Cheney's latest slip, won't even admit they are doing it, but YOU claim to have proof that it "has saved thousands of lives"

The post by Brad above is one of the best ones I have read on this site, and it is one of the few posts that is not even partisan. Even my posts I admit are partisan.

I have been reading these posts for some time trying to find evidence of all the "lies" you people keep accusing Olbermann of, and I can't find any evidence of anyone posting anything proving he is a liar. On the contrary, while I am not claiming he has never gotten his facts wrong, I think it's pretty clear he has a pretty good research team working with his show.

Finally, even if waterboarding WAS proven to work, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT! Stooping to the level of your enemies serves to make you no better than they are, and that might help explain why there is so much hatred for us in the Muslem world right now. Mostly what we have done is taken a bad situation and made it infinitely worse.

Mike, what was the "earlier edition" that the link put you back to? Are you seriously claiming it did not present extremely strong evidence that waterboarding has in fact worked and saved thousands of lives? Or did you simply not bother to watch it?

You claim you cannot find evidence of the lies of Keith Olbermann? Did you bother to read the FAQ and the articles it links to?

> Finally, even if waterboarding WAS proven to work...

Nope, that's not the point. The point was Olby's claim that it DOESN'T work, when there is in fact pretty conclusive evidence that it does. Whether it's morally RIGHT or not is another issue, but not the one I nailed Olby on.

"The deuche who runs this site is lazy, incompetent, and/or just not that bright."

Come on now Greg don't hold back tell us how you really feel? Do you think perhaps it serves a purpose in promoting a great social commentator of our time? Lemons to lemon aide!

"Are you seriously claiming it did not present extremely strong evidence that waterboarding has in fact worked and saved thousands of lives? Or did you simply not bother to watch it?"

Uhh are you totally stupid? Is John McCain some how not credible to a--holes like you? From his mouth he tells TV audiences who don't suffer from rectal cranial inversions that torture does not work for getting useful information for saving lives. It more often gives false and misleading info. I imagine your logic would work if you tortured ever member of an enemy army and civilian population and then chased down all the info they gave to end their torture that you eventually you would get useful info. This is the only way your logic is workable. You and your ilk are an embarrassment to this nation!

Only a--holes with their head up their ass has no clue what their nation stands for and at the same time makes arguments to erode the significance of our nations laws and morality. Total a--hole!

The fact that Fox News and Bill O'liely are leading in viewers reflects more about the level of wide spread ignorance in American culture rather than about the correctness of their content. All one has to do is see that it is a media outlet that caters to the same desires of the bible belt culture that put Swaggert, Jim and Tammy Baker, Farwell and dozens of other Hillbilly preachers on the television as representatives of them. Tammy Baker is a shining example of why Fox News and Bill O'really are big hits!

Posted by: Mad Bad Rad at October 28, 2006 01:39 AM

Yes, you said it so well. It is some of the evangelical preachers that set the table for this whole era were living through. What a shame to have the teachings of Jesus Handed over to people who would manipulate the population into believing that he would be for waterboarding and smart bombs.

Ah so Mad Rad didn't follow the link either. Good idea. Don't get your mind polluted with all that distracting contrary information when you already know you have a monopoly on truth.

"Or did you simply not bother to watch it?"
I didn't. Who uses quicktime? Sorry, from a professional view, I think QT sucks.

I was hoping Mike might relate what it said since most of the analysts I have heard say that waterboarding/torture does not work. My view is that I don't really care if a known terrorist is tortured but, if overall, torture does more harm than good then that's a different story. Likewise, we are supposed to be the "good guys"; waterboarding was deemed a war crime in WWII and we should stick to that.

I despise conservafascists. Please kill yourselves immediately.

"What a shame to have the teachings of Jesus Handed over to people who would manipulate the population into believing that he would be for waterboarding and smart bombs. "

It is always the cowards who live in fear of the world, that when in numbers they do things like their cultural fore fathers did like racial lynchings and segregation. Xenophobic cowards hide behind seudo-moralistic religous beliefs all the while living in ignorance as they walk lock step behind pigs like Farwell and Limbaugh. Some things never change.

They are an embarassment to this nation.

JD:

I tried again and all I get is your Sept 23rd critique followed by the forum from that day. Maybe me or my computer is not sophisticated enough to find what you are refering to. I there supposed to be a video there or something like that? If there is "proof" waterboarding works, I really want to see it.

Well the video here combined two broadcasts, intercutting between them (Olbermann vs an interview with Brian Ross of ABC News). Just the Brian Ross interview part can be viewed here:

http://tinyurl.com/yjxg4o

And it's not QuickTime!

Mike, the 'saving lives' link goes to a QuickTime video of two interviews, intercut with each other. You have to give it time to load. If you want to get to the meat of the evidence use the link I gave just above.

"I despise conservafascists. Please kill yourselves immediately."

Laughing out loud!

We should have to pay to visit this sight. People like you make my day. Thanks:)

"Mike, the 'saving lives' link goes to a QuickTime video of two interviews, intercut with each other. You have to give it time to load. If you want to get to the meat of the evidence use the link I gave just above."

Let's play Blog sleuths and pretend were sophisticated like real bloggers. Like playing Barbies, you are acting like real dumb shits debating something has always been illegal in this nation as long as you have been alive, and for good reason - it is torture. I guess John McCain gets less respect from a--holes like you than you give to Rush (the pig) Limbaugh.

Only an a--hole debates the undebatable as though it you are legit. You are not, you are an a--hole and it shows. Get your head out of your ass and stop living in your delusions of grandeur!

"Ninkasi" Hah! Whatever that is, Dead Guy will prevail!

""Ninkasi" Hah! Whatever that is, Dead Guy will prevail!"

Not like clam chowder at Mo's on windy day but it is good!

Mmmmmm.... Mo's Chowder, no fair.

Lot's of pepper and just a few crackers on your chowder after a cold windy rainy day hiking over the hill from the light house at Devil's Elbow to Hobit Beach. Nothing hits the spot better than Mo's chowder.

Let'pretend:

You condescending son of a bitch! If you had bothered to read my posts, you would have seen that I am AGAINST torture AND waterboarding! Just like you claim to be. I was just giving the guy a chance to show me his "evidence" that it works.

Where do you get off calling me or anyone else an a--hole. You are the one acting like one.

Wish there were a filter for KOS talking points on these comments so I wouldn't have to read them day in and day out.

I realize it's very hard for some people here to maybe, and just maybe, discuss the SHOW rather than scream "WE'RE NOT REPLUBICANS".

Has one liberal tried to justify Keith's hypocrisy in this thread? Nope.

"But Iraq.." the "But Clinton..." for the far left.

You know, I really used to enjoy watching Countdown With Keith Olbermann. I would watch The O'Reilly Factor at 5pm, then come back and watch Countdown at 9pm. But Keith's show has just turned into an hour long campaign ad for Democrats seeking election. His bias and hypocracy have hit an all time high. It's very interesting how Keith can do a show at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 saying that "it's personal", then protests our government for dunking the planner of 9/11 in water so that we could prevent other terrorist attacks.

You know, I really used to enjoy watching Countdown With Keith Olbermann. I would watch The O'Reilly Factor at 5pm, then come back and watch Countdown at 9pm. But Keith's show has just turned into an hour long campaign ad for Democrats seeking election. His bias and hypocracy have hit an all time high. It's very interesting how Keith can do a show at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 saying that "it's personal", then protests our government for dunking the planner of 9/11 in water so that we could prevent other terrorist attacks.

Well I guess you can add Buckley to your list when using the Mister Meter.

Olbermann Watch is mentioned within the article.

MEDIA MATTERS:
National Review's Spruiell attacked Olbermann for saying "Mr. Bush" -- how does he feel about his boss writing it?

Summary: National Review media writer Stephen Spruiell asserted that Keith Olbermann's "insistence on calling the president 'Mr. Bush' instead of 'President Bush' is his way of saying that Bush holds office illegitimately." Given that Spruiell purports to have determined why Olbermann refers to the president as "Mr. Bush," Media Matters for America wonders if he has determined why National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. also refers to the president in the same manner.

In an article (subscription required) for the November 6 edition of the National Review, media writer Stephen Spruiell wrote that MSNBC host Keith Olbermann's "insistence on calling the president 'Mr. Bush' instead of 'President Bush' is his way of saying that Bush holds office illegitimately." In fact, Olbermann uses both "Mr. Bush" and "President Bush" in referring to the president. Nonetheless, given that Spruiell purports to have determined why Olbermann refers to the president as "Mr. Bush," Media Matters for America wonders if he has determined why William F. Buckley Jr., founder of the National Review, also refers to the president in the same manner to which Spruiell takes offense within the pages of the magazine.

In his article, Spruiell wrote:

After [NBC News correspondent David] Shuster's latest report on the GOP's coming demise, Olbermann customarily invites a Democratic strategist, Bush administration critic, or liberal journalist to join him for a chat. At this point, depending on the guest, Olbermann either wonders aloud with him whether Republicans even know how stupid and corrupt they are, or impatiently asks him why the Democrats aren't doing more to topple the despotic "Mr. Bush" and his Orwellian cohort.

Olbermann's insistence on calling the president "Mr. Bush" instead of "President Bush" is his way of saying that Bush holds office illegitimately. In the weeks following the 2004 election, Olbermann seized on scattered stories of voting irregularities in Ohio and Florida to suggest that Republicans had somehow rigged the election. He told a reporter for his alma mater's newspaper, The Cornell Daily Sun, "I don't think there is any question that Ohio messed up the election [in some way]. The question is: Was it deliberate or accidental?"

The 2004 presidential election marked the turning point between Olbermann's early ambitions to do a hard-news show and his more recent efforts to resemble, as much as possible, a left-wing blog. And the conservative bloggers have responded. Olbermann's obsession with the election-fraud conspiracy theories circulating on the Internet prompted Robert Cox to create OlbermannWatch.com in order to document Olbermann's "careless reporting, reckless reliance on unreliable sources, and monomaniacal obsessions over lunatic fringe jihads." OlbermannWatch.com contributor Mark Koldys fact-checks Countdown each night, and tallies the references to "Mr. Bush" on his "MisterMeter."

Buckley, however, in his regular "On the Right" column and in other National Review articles, has consistently referred to the president as "Mr. Bush." Indeed, in his column for the November 6 edition of the National Review, Buckley wrote:

There is no way, however, in which Mr. Bush can undo the sentiment he expressed to Bob Woodward four years ago: "I loathe Kim Jong Il. I've got a visceral reaction to this guy, because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps -- they are huge -- that he uses to break up families and to torture people. It appalls me." Such sentiments don't do much to enhance diplomacy. Inevitably they remind us, by contrast, of the oleaginous references to Stalin and Hitler and Mao Tse-tung by yesterday's diplomats on the make. But even if Mr. Bush reproduced his words on a calling card to distribute among diplomats bound for Pyongyang, this would surely not affect the man who sees himself as the mental pillar and the eternal sun to the Korean people.

In his column for the October 9 edition of National Review, Buckley used the phrase "Mr. Bush" five times. A Nexis search of the National Review for articles with Buckley's byline that contain the phrase "Mr. Bush," published since Bush took office in 2001, turned up more than 150 results. A Nexis search of transcripts of Olbermann's show from the past month revealed that Olbermann regularly uses both phrases, though he said "Mr. Bush" more often (93 times) than he did "President Bush" (52 times).

I realize it's very hard for some people here to maybe, and just maybe, discuss the SHOW rather than scream "WE'RE NOT REPLUBICANS".

Has one liberal tried to justify Keith's hypocrisy in this thread? Nope.

Posted by: Laughable at October 28, 2006 04:10 AM

I think it's a lot funner to scream "I'M NOT REPUBLICAN". The show only provides more evidence for why not being a Republican is a good thing.

"I'M NOT REPUBLICAN"!!! Yeah. That was fun.

Well, I did it....I read every post (torture worse than water-boarding) and did not find ONE logical and factual rebuttal to J$'s article. Post after post by Olbermann apologists were little more than 8th grade insults. One even went to my favorite place.....RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.

I am so tired of the tactics used by people who come to this site as supporters of Keith Olbermann. J$ has a very good critique of the blatent bias on display on a network news program, and the counter-argument is totally absent.

Allow me to repeat.....Olbermann has suggested, in the past, that Libby's and O'Reilly's fictional works reflect who they are. Olbermann has quoted the passages from the books and then made comedic comments about them. It is fact. Presently, Olbermann overlooks Webb's use of salacious and degrading images in his works of fiction. He does not quote them, he does not make comedic comments about them. Olbermann attacks the Allen campaign for commenting and expressing an opinion about the disgusting passages, calling them, "smear tactics."

I call Keith Olbermann's behavior on COUNTDOWN - 10/27/06 flagrant hypocrisy and bias.

Hello? Olbermann and Democratic Party apologists? A different perspective? A defense?

I agree......

(Cue Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor)

"Keith Olbermann....The Best Hypocrite in the World!"

I've got to tell y'all, this website is total shit. I saw this site linked from somewhere else and was interested in what a nit picky critic of Olberman was saying (out of curiosity regarding what wingers were saying). Instead I found this lame-ass site where every post seems to copy the transcript from the previous Countdown show. The deuche who runs this site is lazy, incompetent, and/or just not that bright.

Mike wrote: :I see in your critique where you claim that waterboarding "has saved thousands of lives".

Can you prove that? "

I tried the embedded link in the blog's text, but the video would not run. I gathered from the text around it that they had some Pundit talking to O'Reilly supposedly "debunking" the idea that torture was a self-defeating crime.

Are Johnny Dollar and Robert Cox not aware that waterboarding was considered to be torture at the Nuremburg trials? - and that axis practitioners recieved sentences as harsh as 20 years hard labor with water-boarding as their only charge?

Cox creams over "Jack Bauer" as his rational for torture. For modern "Republicans" a fictional character operating in a made-up entertainment world takes precedence over the official record of war-crimes prosecution, and the opinions of every credible intelligence expert out there. Fucking pathetic, if it weren't so dangerous.

Dollar and Cox, like Rummy, Bush, and Cheney, exhibit the bravado of the life-long pantywaist when they joke about and dismiss torture with cavalier jokes. I think it would be interesting if you guys would put your money where your mouths are (no, no - not on each others' nipples!) and set up a live web-cam and water-board one another for your readers out here. You're tough guys, it'll really show us lefties a thing or two.

Of course, the camera view will have to be close and unequivocal, so you can't just fake it, and the methods need to comply with current US torture procedures...

"The deuche who runs this site is lazy, incompetent, and/or just not that bright"

While I agree with what you've written, I have to add that its clear that "Olbermannwatch" is a political entity, obviously part of the official propaganda machine that whirrs around this administration. Look at the record - any media/government individual who makes critical statements about our spoiled, petulent, stupid-ass President and his crimes gets swiftly trashed by administration operatives. Dan Rather, Ambassador Wilson, Paul O'Neill, David Kay....

Look, we know the Bushies pay journalists big bucks to write phoney stories - why wouldn't they foot the bill for this ridiculous website? It wouldn't cost much to keep these self-loathing homo Republican castrati sitting around in their underwear typing this crap.

Hello? Olbermann and Democratic Party apologists? A different perspective? A defense?

Posted by: cee at October 28, 2006 07:41 AM

I'M NOT REPUBLICAN!!

"I've got to tell y'all, this website is total shit. I saw this site linked from somewhere else and was interested in what a nit picky critic of Olberman was saying (out of curiosity regarding what wingers were saying). Instead I found this lame-ass site where every post seems to copy the transcript from the previous Countdown show. The deuche who runs this site is lazy, incompetent, and/or just not that bright."

These nuggets of rebuttal are just beautiful. What are you? Ten years old? Not one fact asserted, no proof, no examples, pure conjecture. Greg, you are an enormous dumbass. Please try waterboarding yourself. Maybe it will clear your head.

"Hello? Olbermann and Democratic Party apologists? A different perspective? A defense?"

Fuck you, cee. I don't even know what it is you're demanding a "defense" for in the exerpt abover, but I do knoe that your sole defense for supporting a torturing, war-for-profit piratical government - your redundantly invoked last refuge - is always your magical recognition that you are stained with original sin. Since you love Jesus - everything will be alright and we earthly liberals just won't understand until we suffer the same brain-damage that afflicts you.

You are a miserable cowardly excuse for an American.

"These nuggets of rebuttal are just beautiful."

Hey dipshit, I don't think Greg was interested in providing any "rebuttal" - I think he dismissed this cynical hate-site with a general broadside and moved on.

"What are you? Ten years old?"

Spoken like a petulent 12-year-old.

And no one has yet to provide a single explanation as to why Olbermann had plenty of time on prior editions of his program to read the fictional works of REPUBLICANS but somehow can't even be bothered to read the fiction-works of Dems in his free time. Please explain to me again how Olbermann presents an "unbiased" news show. I'm waiting.

Olbermann has motivated me to go out and vote next week. Normally I'm too lazy to go down to the school and figure out who is who behind the curtain. Keith has made it easy for me this year. I'll be voting "R" this year across the board!

Sir Loin of Douche,
Haven't I smacked you around enough. You must just be a glutton for punishment. It's funny that you call this a hate site, but then again that is a liberal's best defense against criticism. Scream racism, bigotry, hatred etc..., but when the ultimate hater, Olbermann, is so thoroughly outed for the reprehensible hypocrite that he is, it is overlooked by liberals like you. "Do as I say not as I do." What a great way to live. I know. I know. You think you are educated because you were an English Lit. major. No, you are just worthless. Its no wonder that Olbermann's references to Orwell give you that "stiffy" you've been searching for since you last read Jim Webb's book.

I leave you with a quote from my favorite author, which just so happens to describe Olbermann, perfectly.

"The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence."

to Indierik the liberlal whiner and self appointed defender of the poor downtrodden minorities: take your sniveling selective moral outrage and shove it up your faggot ass.
obama is a their democrats new trained chimp- all democrats are trained chimps- all they can do is cry racism and bash Bush.
take your asinine political correctness and go whine to somebody who cares leftard.

to Indierik the liberal whiner and self appointed defender of the poor downtrodden minorities: take your sniveling selective moral outrage and shove it up your faggot ass.
obama is a the democrats new trained chimp- all democrats are trained chimps- all they can do is cry racism , raise taxes and bash Bush.
take your asinine political correctness and go whine to somebody who cares leftard.

"The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence."

Your evocation of this quote itself wallows in impotence, crash, seeing as how ANY criticism in any amount or quality is railed against stridently by the network of Republican operatives of which this skanky little hate-site is a representative.

So you consider someone calling their leader a liar - when his lies are so easilly documented - to be "intimidation"? This is the pathetic mantra of the fascist.

You people are preposterous: you complain that Olbermann's show is one-sided, which it is, and harshly criticize him for having ridiculed O'Reilly, Scooter, and Lynne "Bride of Frankenstein" Cheney for their cheesy pulp literature, but remaining silent in regard to Webb's explicit but critically acclaimed books - but I don't see any rep of this site holding O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. to the same standards to which you hold Olbermann.

This site is an intentional distraction from the crisis this country finds itself in.

the "crisis" that this country finds itself in will of course suddenly be gone when liberals gain power right? what utter bullshit. the real crisis in this country is liberals whining and dirtbags like olbermann feeding irrational fears.
here is a liberal gem from kenny:
"You people are preposterous: you complain that Olbermann's show is one-sided, which it is, and harshly criticize him for having ridiculed O'Reilly, Scooter, and Lynne "Bride of Frankenstein" Cheney for their cheesy pulp literature, but remaining silent in regard to Webb's explicit but critically acclaimed books - but I don't see any rep of this site holding O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. to the same standards to which you hold Olbermann."
hey rocket scientist! maybe when your hero the Olbykook holds liberals to the same scrutiny and standards he holds conservative maybe we will stop bitching about him .
Read your own bullshit kenny boy and you'll see that it is YOU that is preposterous.
whatever ultra liberal junior college that brainwashed you sure did a good job. You write pretty enough that if you whine a bit more maybe your hero Olbytard might hire you to write for his self proclaimed "news" show. You are myopic enough to be a good liberal.

A recent poster screamed.....

"Fuck you, cee. I don't even know what it is you're demanding a "defense" for in the exerpt abover, but I do knoe that your sole defense for supporting a torturing, war-for-profit piratical government - your redundantly invoked last refuge - is always your magical recognition that you are stained with original sin. Since you love Jesus - everything will be alright and we earthly liberals just won't understand until we suffer the same brain-damage that afflicts you.

You are a miserable cowardly excuse for an American."

Wonderful! An ad hoc personal attack from Sir Loin. I can start my day....

I don't know if you have been following Colbert's screed against me in the 10/23/06 thread, Sir Loin....Anyway...based on Colberts undeserved arrogance as illustrated in the back and forth, I have decided to call my dear friend:

OZ, The Great & Powerful.

I arrived at this moniker simply because his bloviating is so well orchestrated and bombastic but, in reality, comes from the pathetic and frantic lever-workings of a small and insignificant con man.

I bow to him!

You, on the other hand, (although wishing to be as forceful and commited to your washed up philiosophy as OZ seems), are so much less to me simply because you always choose to retreat back to unrelated issues that help you think you are manly, testosterone toxic. I have not come up with a pithy nickname for you yet, Sir Loin....although I am sure you have one ready for me.

I left it all out there for you to defend Olbermann in his coverage of the Webb/Allen campaign. The post had nothing about Iraq, torture, God, Jesus, pirates or my ham sandwich....I could suggest some comebacks to J$'s analysis for you, playing devil's advocate ---- OOPS there I go again with the, "sky fairy/pitch fork spook," fantasy world again....sorry! I am so pathetic!

Have a pleasant day, Sir Loin....I'll get back to you.

Paging all liberals....Paging all liberals....

Can one....just one...anyone...please explain why fictional books by BillO and Mrs. Cheney are a look into their minds...yet, when Jim Webb writes a fictional book, it is only a work of fiction?

Please, stop changing the subject libs...Some please explain how this isn't hypocrisy?

"Its no wonder that Olbermann's references to Orwell give you that "stiffy" you've been searching for since you last read Jim Webb's book."

Jim Webb was a registered Republican when he wrote his smutty books. The fact that he now represents the hopes of the Dems - without having changed his views on policy one iota - is a sad commentary on how far to the right this country is sliding. You Right Wing freaks should be happy.

cee,

so you ".. left it all out there for (me) to defend Olbermann in his coverage of the Webb/Allen campaign."

...yet I...

"always choose to retreat back to unrelated issues that help you think you are manly, testosterone toxic."

In other words; you want to talk about innane pablum regarding decades-old books written by characters on either side of the political spectrum (although Webb was a Republican when he wrote his book, and promulgates traditional Republican values today), and I'm the one "retreating" by refusing to relinquish focus on the supreme crime of the 21st century - America's invasion and occupation of Iraq.

to Indierik the liberlal whiner and self appointed defender of the poor downtrodden minorities: take your sniveling selective moral outrage and shove it up your faggot ass.
obama is a their democrats new trained chimp- all democrats are trained chimps- all they can do is cry racism and bash Bush.
take your asinine political correctness and go whine to somebody who cares leftard.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 28, 2006 09:40 AM and again at 09:41 AM

And yet another example of bigotry on this site. Again, I appreciate your honesty. So many people try to hide the racism incapsulated within them. You're open about your disgusting thoughts and that, at least, doesn't make you a phony.

Cee writes:

"Have a pleasant day, Sir Loin....I'll get back to you."

How could you not. He's such an erudite and charming conversationalist...

Keith once said he is neutral and not be biased., and then later he said he tried to be political correct. He is heading to far far left and forget about where he is. He is lost and besides this is the only way to beat his favorite buddy, he mentions his name all the time, at Fox.

Keith once said he is neutral and not be biased., and then later he said he tried to be political correct. He is heading to far far left and forget about where he is. He is lost and besides this is the only way to beat his favorite buddy, he mentions his name all the time, at Fox.

Refer to Sir Loin of Beef,

It is a good thing for generations to come. I do not want our children to get pregnant at age 13 for there is abortion, no responsibility to outcome when there is another life concerned, starve to death to get over-the-counter morning-after pills, forget about family values, our privacy rights to certain extend when our security is in jeopardy.

Here's my take on waterboarding. Does it work? Yeah, I believe in some instances it would bring the receiver to give up info we could use. Does it often times force the receiver to give up inaccurate info? Yeah, I believe this too. There are other things I believe would be effective in gathering information as well- raping a man's wife in front of him would probably do the trick. But as an American citizen I like to hold myself to higher standards, and when I hear/read what our former POW's have said about torture I cannot condone the practice.

And if you're for torture you must remember that this cuts both ways. If one of our troops is taken captive and waterboarded (or something of similar nature) those holding him cannot be prosecuted for the act. Right now one of our soldiers is missing. If a video comes out of him being waterboarded do not be a hypocrite by being outraged at the treatment.

Indierik,

Like a moth to the flame, or Bubba to a fat intern, you play the bigot, racist card. What a freakin surprise? Then you try to play the republicans hate video games card? Dude you can thank Al Gore for the labeling of video games and music.

If you focused 1/10 of your anger of George W. Bush towards the culture of those who beat and rape their own women, condone the killing of innocents in the name of Allah, and the spread of tyranny in the guise of religion, then maybe, just maybe, you wouldn't come across as such an incredible, incredulous, uninformed, ignorant dumbass. Is it possible, just possible, that radical Islam is a much greater threat to the American way of life than W?

So we want to waterboard suspected terrorists, SFW. Grow a pair why don't ya. The "if we do it, then they'll do it" argument is such bullshit I don't even no where to begin. It worked so well with the Japanese, Nazi's, N. Korean's, Vietnamese, Latin America. THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.

"The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it."

Sir Loin ended with:

"In other words; you want to talk about innane pablum regarding decades-old books written by characters on either side of the political spectrum (although Webb was a Republican when he wrote his book, and promulgates traditional Republican values today), and I'm the one "retreating" by refusing to relinquish focus on the supreme crime of the 21st century - America's invasion and occupation of Iraq."

I must admit, I seem to be writing in english, but can anyone tell me if it is coming out in another language?

I posted about OLBERMANN! On olbermannwatch.com, I noted people were not defending OLBERMANN! Give me a break, Sir Loin. The hypocrisy of Keith Olbermann was just left out there, and no one is coming to the poor guy's rescue....why, oh why, oh why?

I have been all around the Iraq war with you and we left it at, "I'm a coward and Jesus freak." Does that sound about right, Sir Loin?

Oy! Please....some one give me an aspirin. Sir Loin is giving me a headache.

And don't worry about Iraq's liberation being the worst crime in the 21st century, Sir Loin.....It's early, man's heart is as dark as ever, and people like you are always ready and willing to rationalize evil.

"Then you try to play the republicans hate video games card?"
Posted by: Crash at October 28, 2006 12:20 PM

I don't know where you're going with this, Crash? I never made any mention of video games. In fact I've played all the Grand Theft Auto games for entertainment. Were you alluding to something else?

"So we want to waterboard suspected terrorists, SFW. Grow a pair why don't ya. The "if we do it, then they'll do it" argument is such bullshit I don't even no where to begin. It worked so well with the Japanese, Nazi's, N. Korean's, Vietnamese, Latin America. THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT."
Posted by: Crash

It's funny that you mentioned these wars/conflicts. With the exception of Vietnam, the United States Armed Forces was successful in winning without the condonation of torture (For the record: I do believe we were successful in Vietnam, but I accept that is not a commonly held belief).

Look at yourself, Crash, before you tell me to grow a pair. If Islam is such a threat to our way of living why are you here blogging away? Are you just another "Guardian of the Keyboard"?

So no one yet has an explanation as to why Olby will devote on-air time to reading selections from Republican or conservative-learning authors but refuses to even be bothered off-air to read excerpts from Webb's works of fiction? Someone? Anyone?

So no one yet has an explanation as to why Olby will devote on-air time to reading selections from Republican or conservative-learning authors but refuses to even be bothered off-air to read excerpts from Webb's works of fiction? Someone? Anyone?

Posted by: Brandon at October 28, 2006 01:32 PM

I have a perfect explanation. IT'S HIS SHOW! GET YOUR OWN SHOW! .....And one more scream.......I NOT REPUBLICAN!

To all of you gleefull Olbermann bashers who have nothing better to do than constantly look for every gaffe and instance of "hypocracy".
Why do you keep trying to hold a cable media pundant with mediocre ratings, who does nothing worse than express views you don't like to a higher standard than you hold your president.

Really wierd!

Somebody posted:

"Can one....just one...anyone...please explain why fictional books by BillO and Mrs. Cheney are a look into their minds...yet, when Jim Webb writes a fictional book, it is only a work of fiction?

Please, stop changing the subject libs...Some please explain how this isn't hypocrisy?"

OK, It is hypocrisy. But hypocricy on such an inane, partisan level I can't believe your getting your panties buched up over it. Its partisan politics - Fox tries to make Rrepublicans look good/Democrats bad while Olbermann does the opposite. The truth, however, in these regards is usually available to anyone who wants to read books written by people who all need to keep they day-jobs - yes, Lynne Cheney wrote lesbian love sceenes, Webb wrote about rape and inscest, while Scooter wrote about pedophilia/beastiality. These items are not debabtable: its all in print between covers with the authors' names printed on them. Read the books if you want and form your opinion, then talk about one and not another; talk about them all; talk about none of them.

But who cares? Why not spend your time thinking about hypocrisy that kills people, destroys our national character and reputation, and empties our treasury? Oh , I know why not; because you guys GOT NOTHING to bring to that debate!

Anybody see Bill Maher last night? Great installment - Two Republicans on the panel (Andrew Sullivan and Christy Todd Whitman) and one radical (Harry Bellafonte) all dishing it out on this insane, unnaccountable administration. Is that "Fair and Ballanced enough for you Brown Shirts?

And Bill's closing monologue was amazing - offering hard stats as to how we have becme a banana republic under this pirate crew in the White House.

Mikey,
I assure you the standard we hold for Olbermann is very low. We are not the one's comparing him to Edward R. Murrow or professing his independence and unbiased "reporting". That would be the MSM and Olby himself. The standard that Olby set was his own doing. Most of us know that he is a legend in his own mind, but when the MSM starts cheerleading for this self-proclaimed speaker of truth, then you must beat the MSM over the head with facts.

I know. We are stupid, or confused, or ignorant, or blah blah blah. Some olbyloon will want to post "hey crash you forgot ______"... you're sneaky.

I assure you the standard held for the president is much higher for us all, but the market on blogging about the president is pretty much handled.

Indierik,
What makes you think that I am not actively fighting against radical Islam? What makes you think that I am not actively exposing local muslim leaders for what they aspouse in madrasas?

"I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction."

Hey idierik does everybody who exposes liberals who always cry "racism" as hypocritical, whining, opportunists a racist? I 'll bet those poor black folks who you and other liberals take it upon themselves do defend so bravely appreciate the fact that you have taken the cause up so personally. You are right the blacks could NEVER get ahead without your benevolent charity and good old white guilt. Play dat race card punk white boy.
pimpin' and chimpin' that's all you progressive leftards have.

another liberal gem from the keyboard of the the self appointed defender of the downtrodden and the terrorists.:
"And if you're for torture you must remember that this cuts both ways. If one of our troops is taken captive and waterboarded (or something of similar nature) those holding him cannot be prosecuted for the act. Right now one of our soldiers is missing. If a video comes out of him being waterboarded do not be a hypocrite by being outraged at the treatment."
Hey buttwipe! haven't you seen the BEHEADINGS that the Muslim scum have done???? Or does your liberal mind filter only register injustices done to everybody else but Americans?? You are one dumbass leftard man. Funny Indierik you should speak of hypocrisy when you mouth is so full of it. You left wingers really are in your own little insular myopic delusional world.
Videos of Americans being waterboarded!!! that's funny. I wish that was the worst that these third world gutter muslim scum had done to our boys. Yet they live better in Ameerican captivity than they do in the third world shithole that they come from. You are an idiot indierik- nothing personal but you have not the brain that God gave a clam.

"What makes you think that I am not actively fighting against radical Islam? What makes you think that I am not actively exposing local muslim leaders for what they aspouse in madrasas?"
Posted by: Crash at October 28, 2006 02:15 PM

You're very brave, Crash, but you could do more. We need you to "fight them over there so we don't fight them here". If you're a healthy heterosexual under the age of 42 you can enlist! If you don't meet this criteria you can still help by convincing your family and friends that do qualify to sign up. Also, if you have any links you can post of arrests that have been made because of your intervention I'd love to see them.

"Hey idierik does everybody who exposes liberals who always cry "racism" as hypocritical, whining, opportunists a racist? I 'll bet those poor black folks who you and other liberals take it upon themselves do defend so bravely appreciate the fact that you have taken the cause up so personally. You are right the blacks could NEVER get ahead without your benevolent charity and good old white guilt. Play dat race card punk white boy.
pimpin' and chimpin' that's all you progressive leftards have."
Posted by: Anonymous at October 28, 2006 02:19 PM

Guess what a--hole? I'M NOT WHITE!

oh forgive me indierik I did not reralize that you were one of the poor opressed minorities that us evil white folks have been opressing for soooo long.
OK let me ammend my remarks:
play dat race card-insert select opressed minority here-.
wow you are not white you must be a veritable hero to those good liberals who defend you so gallantly.
so what affirmative action helped you non white indierik? to achieve your high status as defender of the poor oppresed minorites that all us evil white folks have kept down for so long?
you almost gave a good dose of dat good ol liberal white guilt when you called me a--hole indierik... but not quite because I am not a liberal .
dial 1-800-555- wahh the whiners and snivelers hotline for further information.

Anon at 2:55,

Can you show me from any of my posts where I've cried "minorities are oppressed"? I just point out where there is blatent bigotry. I know everyone can succeed in the United States, it's just set up so some groups of people need to work harder than others. I went onto college (partially paid for by the GI Bill), I have a good job, I own my house, and I have a nice savings account. My folks showed me how to seize opportunity.

As far as your reference to the "good liberals"- I think we may agree. I've had plenty of "liberals" tell me that I'm "so well spoken". What the hell is that supposed to mean? Believe me, I consider these phonies to be as equally repulsive as the a--hole that referred to Senator Obama as a "Democratic Chimp".

Now let me ask you something- if the person who referred to Obama in that manner were in a position of power (i.e. human resources position) do you really think I'd have a chance at getting the job if he/she were the one interviewing me?

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 28, 2006 02:06 PM

Anybody see Bill Maher last night? Great installment - Two Republicans on the panel (Andrew Sullivan and Christy Todd Whitman) and one radical (Harry Bellafonte) all dishing it out on this insane, unnaccountable administration. Is that "Fair and Balanced enough for you Brown Shirts?

And Bill's closing monologue was amazing - offering hard stats as to how we have becme a banana republic under this pirate crew in the White House.

Thank you, SIR! I agree with your comments re the Bill Maher Show, but not the 'labels' for Sullivan and Whitman: Andrew Sullivan is a traditional conservative, and Christy Todd Whitman is a moderate republican. Yes, there is a difference. This "WH Pirate Crew" is heavily weighted with radical-neo-conservatives. Their 6year rule has changed the worldwide view of our great country--not for the better--and has caused many older Americans to wonder what the hell we fought for in WWII. It's time for a mutiny!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 28, 2006 02:06 PM

Anybody see Bill Maher last night? Great installment - Two Republicans on the panel (Andrew Sullivan and Christy Todd Whitman) and one radical (Harry Bellafonte) all dishing it out on this insane, unnaccountable administration. Is that "Fair and Balanced enough for you Brown Shirts?

And Bill's closing monologue was amazing - offering hard stats as to how we have becme a banana republic under this pirate crew in the White House.

Thank you, SIR! I agree with your comments re the Bill Maher Show, but not the 'labels' for Sullivan and Whitman: Andrew Sullivan is a traditional conservative, and Christy Todd Whitman is a moderate republican. Yes, there is a difference. This "WH Pirate Crew" is heavily weighted with radical-neo-conservatives. Their 6year rule has changed the worldwide view of our great country--not for the better--and has caused many older Americans to wonder what the hell we fought for in WWII. It's time for a mutiny!

indierik,

Wow, this anonymous a--hole can turn on a dime, can't he? One post he's playing the black man's advocate by accusing you of white lberal racial condescention, then when disabused of his assumptions he switches to Archie Bunker-style resentment and Ronald Reagan attribution.

Its like he's a Rovian counter-troll or something - nobody that can type is really that stupid.

Uncle George,

Point taken on the political taxonomy of Maher's guests. My point was that many conservatives across the spectrum are waking up to the dangerous farce represented by this administration, and are issueing harsh criticisms fully compatible with those of the far left. That's because we recognize a mutual threat - American Fascism.

WWII vet? ..I'm in awe.

Sir Loin, have you noticed how he's also disappeared? Oh well, I'm going to do the same. Enjoy the weekend everyone. Even you anon.

oh you judgemental liberals. I HAVE been in a position of hiring people, sometimes a good number of people and i am sure to your suprise I have hired people of all colors gasp IF they were qualified for the job.
sorry I 'dissapeared" Indierik- I do have alife outside of olbermannwatch.com
my entire premise is to show how foolish liberls are.
many liberals call Bush the chimp or chimpy I call obama chimpy most certainly NOT because of his skin color but because he is the new democrat hero who does seems to be the new trained chimp for the liberals- he says all the right things at the right time right on cue.
the sam with the Ford/Corker ad. The first thing I thought of when I saw "the ad" was that it was portryaing Ford as a "playboy" not some black dude going after white women. When I saw mushmouth Chris Matthews interject his PC liberalism and suggest an appeal to the anti- miscegenation crowd i just lost it. I am sooo tired of the glass jaw of liberals always crying racism. It MAKES people racist.
but hey even you Ideierik, i hope have good weekend.....

I loved KO's Oct 28? Countdown satire on the passing away of "Stay the Course" Check it out.

Can you say...stay the course?

Some of my other favorite Republican talking points are:

We won't cut and run...(how many times have we heard that one?) Gets 5 stars *****

Or...either we fight them there or we fight them here. ****

Weapons of Mass Destruction...(one of my all time favorites, I would give it six stars if I could) *****

...this marks a turning point in Iraq. ****

Test

That was me doing the test. I was just wondering why so many olbermann haters post as anonymous. Perhaps because it's so easy for a few to represent so many...

I would suggest to Bob or Johnny that you require unique user ID's and valid email addresses before allowing posting priviledges, just so we know who is who.

"Hello? Olbermann and Democratic Party apologists? A different perspective? A defense?"

If I can find the time I will. However, will it matter? I have come on time and time again but none of you guys seem able to refute anything I say, so do you really want me to again?
For example, in the link (that evidently nobody bothered to follow since it wasn't fixed till about 2AM) regarding O'Reilly's book all KO said was "the soft core porn novel that was reviewed on Amazon as real load in the pants". Which, if you look at Amazon.com, a reviewer did indeed call it a load-in-the-pants:
http://www.amazon.com/Those-Who-Trespass-Television-Murder/dp/0767913817/sr=1-6/qid=1162077224/ref=sr_1_6/102-2863885-5356931?ie=UTF8&s=books
Also, not having read it but the reviews I doubt not that some would consider it a "soft core porn novel".

Likewise, KO's comment about "If a Democratic White House official had written this book, his head would be on a pike somewhere" is spot on. The hypocrisy that goes on is that if a Rep writes something like this, no-one on the right would even think about considering it. Yet as we see if a Dem writes something like it, the Reps are all up in arms (trying to put Webb's head on a pike).

Likewise, doesn't anyone find it hypocrisy that the supposed party of morality has people writing beastiality and homosexual stuff when they loudly disclaim such actions. That, ladies and gentleman, is hypocrisy.

As I said, I'll see later if I can find time to check out the whole thing.

"Tonight, we break from our usual format to focus on one facet of Friday night's Countdown. One gigantic, hulking, overwhelming dose of Olbermann hypocrisy. The Hour of Spin of course is built on the altar of imposture, but this was so shameless and partisan that it demands we focus on it like a laser beam."

My high school writing teacher would have given me a C- on this bit of prose seen above. The picture of the horses ass and all the "focus" on one man out of many in the media, a little odd? When we come across people in our life that have a fixation on one person almost in a stalker like fashion we always measure them up as being a bit touched in the head. Additionally the solicitation of others to join in with them in trivial debates of the man's character is one more aspect of being obsessed with one person. But unlike most stalkers who pick a face out of the crowd and stalk, these pin heads are all about image making and breaking. They assumingly depict themselves as a significant media entity for being Mr. Olbermann chief critiques, all the while decrying Mr. Olbermanns insignificance. Irony? You bet. Fact is this sight is significant in name only - Mr. Olbermann's name! The content of the commentary is sophomoric at best and little on the delusional side, delusions of grandeur.

When you can't dispute facts, and apparently 10:55pm cannot, there is always grammar and spelling and writing style to be critiqued huh 10:55?

my entire premise is to show how foolish liberls are.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 28, 2006 05:33 PM

Is that how you make yourself look smart? You are failing.

You know with a whole post concerning the Allen/Webb campaign I presumed that KO spent a huge amount of time talking about it. Oops, nope. In the first story of the day, Webb wasn't the first thing mentioned, nor the second, nor the third, but the fourth ridiculous Rep attack mentioned. And he gave it a whopping full minute of time. WOW!

The rest of it I'll discuss below, for now ...
"Dirty campaign ads were bashed, but the only wrongdoers cited ... were those eeevil Republicans."
Perhaps the answer lies in the lies that are being put out in the Rep ads. As KO pointed out some of these ads are not based in "substantive fact" but completely bogus smears. Take for example Santorum's smoky room ad which was determined to be completely false.* Or the anti-Arcuri smear ad which is ridiculous because it has no basis in reality (via KO, an Arcuri aide misdialed a wrong number and got a porn line but the RNC implies that Arcuri was using taxpayer money to call porn lines). Perhaps JD can point out Dem ads which fall in the same vein?
*http://youtube.com/watch?v=qSam9NCYl0A

"Dana Milbank ... also all by eeevil Republicans."
What JD is neglecting to tell you is that these 'desperate' ads are Rep ads which prominently feature Dems in a good light as positive associations rather than the usual bashing of them.

"he caved to our just criticism and actually ran a network rerun tape about [the wildfires] tonight."
Are you really that silly and egotistical to believe that KO cares what this site says? It couldn't be that KO ran the wildfire news because the latest fire began two (3 now?) days ago (I only heard about it on, gasp, Friday)? Amazing that Matthews, Tucker and Scarborough also hadn't reported the fire at all.

"KO lied again about the efficacy of waterboarding"
Actually, KO did not do that. AFAIK, he never once talked about the 'efficacy'. Instead, the discussion revolved around what waterboarding is, whether we do it, whether it is legal, etc.

"How about the alleged "n-word" remarks by George Allen, reported on night after night? Did you dismiss them as being from "literally decades ago"?"
One should dismiss one, or even two actions (especially irrelevant ones) from 20, 30 years ago, but one should not dismiss a life-long history of racism as demonstrated by Allen (at least TEN instances of racial insensitivity: use of the 'n-word', 'macaca', Confed flags, associations with white surpremicists, etc.).

Now back to the one minute Webb mention that has generated an entire post:
Let's ignore the fact that the Libby bit was one of KO's humor bits, a satirical look at an upstanding leader in the "party of morality" writing a book evidently chock full of sex, beastial and otherwise (Note his guest: a political satirist).
Let us instead "look into the mind" of this upstanding member of the party of values.
Why has he written material that features sex and bestiality? Well, to sell it no doubt, but what was the purpose to include beastiality and incest?
Can it possibly be more than selling a book? No logical answer is forthcoming.

Now let us "look into the mind" of Webb as KO did. Why write what he did? The logical answer: his books were about what he saw - "fictional represenatations of things he saw". Simply that. From the writer's perspective it would be wrong to censor such things.

"Keith read at length from the book"
105 words is hardly "at length". Nor did he 'linger'.

"to analyze its sauciest chapters"
Nice. It sure looks like that KO 'lingered' over the sauciest chapters, doesn't it? Too bad he didn't do that.

I notice you left out the part where KO said "Artists and actors and satirists and newscasters are all quick to remind us, hey, just because I played this part and created this character, read the story, that doesn‘t mean I am them." (Which BTW is twice as many words as his supposed lengthy details)

"Far from suggesting the writer's head be figuratively put on a pike somewhere"
WTF? KO is not suggesting any such thing as is even clear in the quote you gave. He is suggesting that "if a Dem" wrote it then "his head would be on a pike somewhere" which is exactly what you RWers are trying to do to Webb.

Finally the hypocrisy question. What hypocrisy? KO related how this moral leader of the party of morals wrote what some would call a book of immorality, while Webb wrote fictionalized accounts of what he saw when he was in combat in Asia. Someone please, coldly and logically explain to me how that can possibly be hypocrisy.

Quite frankly, I don't understand why Allen is so desperate to bring up these ridiculous claims. Despite being a racist rubber-stamper he is still going to win.

"while Webb wrote fictionalized accounts of what he saw when he was in combat in Asia. Someone please, coldly and logically explain to me how that can possibly be hypocrisy."

Waste of time with this morons, they are not about an honest perspective on anything and all about delusions of grandeur via KO coat tails.

More clearly written:

"while Webb wrote fictionalized accounts of what he saw when he was in combat in Asia. Someone please, coldly and logically explain to me how that can possibly be hypocrisy."

Waste of time with THESE morons, they are not about an honest perspective on anything, themselves or politics. What they care about are delusions of grandeur via KO coat tails. They pick a person and attack him simply because he is a lighting rod for truth. KO rules and they know it, but because they can't think for themselves - they let Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'lielly do it for them.

Is Olbermann that biased? Is O'Reilly that biased? HELL YES they are! But guess what, Olbermann is much more entertaining and he just reports with a bias (as in picking and choosing stories), whereas O'Reilly SPINS news stories. All the while telling us he's running "The No Spin Zone" and he's an independent (he can't say that without a smirk). Constantly blabbing on and on about the crazy "far left." If he were independent, shouldn't he be warning us about all the crazy "far right" people too?

O'Reilly has been in the spin zone for so long that it no longer looks to be spinning to him. At least he thinks he's being honest, I guess.

I would like to see a poll, on this site and some sort of national poll, of who the public think spins more. Not who has a bias leaning one way or the other, but who has to distort more to show his bias.

Is there any truth left in TV news
Where the only rights are the Dem views
Though the ratings continually slide
They continue their bias with pride
Till finally all their jobs they will lose

When the last biased one is finally fired
You can bet not a one will be retired
While used cars are still on the lot
Their lies will guarantee them a spot
Selling "like new" a car for a year in mud mired

Running their November campaign
Daily, with everything Republican - disdain
The Dems have a friend in MSNBC
And they have the perfect "anchor" in Mister Opie
Their credibility, like waste down the drain

They're losing control, they spin, complain and they fear
Because both sides of a story we'd like to hear
It's their job, it's been instilled, taught and sold
The Lib, left agenda is all that must ever be told
The future of journalism, they've made now not so clear

The Jack Bauer defense. In the last couple seasons. When Bauer tortures someone, he NEVER gets information that is useful. Just watch the show and see if the terror episode is followed by a plot element that is generated from the torture episode. In some scenes, the victim lies to him or stalls long enough that the information he does get is useless.
The writers of 24 are not as pro-torture as you might think, in fact, I think they are anti-torture, because nothing ever comes of the torture scenes. Unfortunately, uncritical viewers assume the torture must be working, but don't compare it to the results Bauer gets from it.

Hurrah! A defense of Olbermann, FINALLY! Thank you radmod at October 29, 2006/1:49 AM. I read your post with great interet and was....ALMOST...persuaded!

I was doubting J$ until I read this from radmod:

"Now let us 'look into the mind' of Webb as KO did. Why write what he did? The logical answer: his books were about what he saw - 'fictional represenatations of things he saw'. Simply that. From the writer's perspective it would be wrong to censor such things."

I say the logical answer is only your opinion radmod....Also we will note that Webb's writings were not actually read by Olbermann, so the uninformed viewer will just have to take his word that the writings were benign representations....read Webb's stuff - the graphic nature is worse than the stuff Libby wrote and Olbermann read Libby's crap, but did not read Webb's crap. Why?

Next,

"'Keith read at length from the book'
105 words is hardly 'at length'. Nor did he 'linger'."

A superficial characterization....As you will see from the transcript, Olbermann made Libby's book #1 on the countdown and repeatedly referred to disgusting aspects of the book during his interview with Borowitz.

Then radmod claims,

"'to analyze its sauciest chapters' Nice. It sure looks like that KO 'lingered' over the sauciest chapters, doesn't it? Too bad he didn't do that."

Read below and tell me the stuff he mentioned, both through quoting it and then rereferencing it wasn't, "analyzing the sauciest...."

FROM THE MSNBC TRANSCRIPT:

The number one story in the COUNTDOWN, inside “The Apprentice,” and believe me, it will make you hanker for the good old days when you only associated that term with Donald Trump and maybe Martha Stewart.

Libby wrote his novel in 1996. If have a copy, two questions, A, why? B, why haven‘t you sold it yet? An autographed copy was put on sale online yesterday, the asking price, $4,200. Unsigned hardcover copies have settled at about $700 apiece. It‘s described as the story of a young Japanese who runs remote mountain inn and gets caught up in a world of intrigue.

Well, there‘s intrigue and then there‘s, well, bestiality. There‘s a lot of bestiality in Mr. Libby‘s novel. Sure, we all know already about the passage about the bear and the girl.

Quote: “The young samurai‘s mother had the child sold to a brothel where she swept the floors and oiled the women. At age 10, the madame put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest. Groups of men paid to watch. Like other girls who had been trained this way, she learned to handle many men in a single night and her skin turned a milky white.”

OK.

But what happened to the bear? Well, never mind about the bear. Scooter has also introduced us to many other fascinating characters in his novel: “There were odd tales of her sexual prowess. And they said she had coupled with dogs and men and several of the boys at once.”

There was the hunter and his companions who had just killed a deer. The hunter had a question: “He asked if they should (expletive deleted) the deer.”

Ichy!

Wow. Now, I read the Webb material and it is at least as graphic and taudry. The voters of Virginia were not informed of this work of Webb's and deserve full disclosure. Olbermann seems interested in second hand reports that Webb's republican opponent's language is important to the campaign, but not the graphic writings of Webb.

Back to Libby.....To attack someone's work of fiction just because you disagree with thier political ideology IS hypocritical. Why? Because Olbermann says he is a journalist cut from the same cloth as E.R. Murrow!

Olbermann, from his previous behavior, had no grounds to attack the attacks on Webb when he attacked others for the same content! Especially the dishonest way he did it....He did not present Webb's actual words to his viewers. He simply started from the point of saying it was not appropriate to critque Webb's writings.

BTW, I don't think you can repeat Webb's stuff on air...it would be censored...maybe I'm wrong.

Lastly, the short amount of time was never mentioned by J$ but actually supports the hypocrisy charge because previous taudry sexual writings of political people were given THE NUMBER 1 SPOT!!! Why the discrepancy here, radmod?

Looks like the blue blogs have been pointing the loons to this site to defend Olby again. They always come in bunches. The motive criticism is always a common critique by these sheep that flock here at the behest of their shepherd. "Why do you pick on Olbermann? Whaaaa! You're stalkers!! Whaaa!" Poor Olby. I can actually visualize these loons becoming unhinged; it make me laugh. Keep posting. Please keep posting you nutjobs. It's amusing.

I can actually visualize these loons becoming unhinged; it make me laugh. Keep posting. Please keep posting you nutjobs. It's amusing.

Posted by: John Galt at October 29, 2006 12:11 PM

I can actually visualize a bunch of people becoming unhinged and coming to this site for comfort from other unhinged persons who can't stand having Keith Olbermann confront their oh so crooked bunch of screwed up heroes. Even Dick Armey has come out against this wacked out bunch of deluded maniacs.

"The Jack Bauer defense. In the last couple seasons. When Bauer tortures someone, he NEVER gets information that is useful. Just watch the show and see if the terror episode is followed by a plot element that is generated from the torture episode. In some scenes, the victim lies to him or stalls long enough that the information he does get is useless.
The writers of 24 are not as pro-torture as you might think, in fact, I think they are anti-torture, because nothing ever comes of the torture scenes. Unfortunately, uncritical viewers assume the torture must be working, but don't compare it to the results Bauer gets from it."

Yet somehow Jack saves the day. Don't go claiming Jack as a liberal. He is tough, resolute, dedicated, and most importantly successful. I assure you, he is no liberal. You would be much more comfortable claiming a character like C3P0 from Star Wars or some Woody Allen character. All talk no action. Its okay. Some people just have no spine.

"The world needs ditch diggers too."

"Even Dick Armey has come out against this wacked out bunch of deluded maniacs."

I agree with everything Dick Armey has said about the campaigns. However, that does not mean he is a democrat all of a sudden. Armey is a libertarian, always has been. Its a big tent in the Republican party. We are all joined in one common belief. We actually like America. We think it is a good place and are not handicapped by the self-loathing that is used to mask the liberal's own low self-worth.

Bush lied?

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/in_their_own_words3/

Duh, yeah...Bush lied, many times!

Mr. Galt:

I think America is a good place too, but unfortunately not as good a place as it was before this administration began it's LOOONNNNG string of mistakes and power grabs.

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/in_their_own_words3/

Like Mike, I too love my country; and I have enough self esteem - unlike drowning-rat Republicans like John Galt - to demand honesty and appropriate respect for procedure from the people temporarilly occupying the top decision-making position in its government. To treat such office-holders as royaly who's birthright is one's unquestioning loyalty and leader-worship is anthema to everything American, but its clearly the sacrament of the new, shrinking GOP.

That "big tent" must be getting pretty lonely and drafty, Mr. Galt.

J$, your "proof" that waterboarding has saved "thousands of lives" is pretty far from PROOF.

You link an O'Reilly interview, in his typical hard-hitting fashion, where he talks with ONE reporter who shares his OPINION on the matter.
The reporter admitted it was CIA sources telling him this info, and that it was their information. When asked directly if waterboarding saved "thousands of lives" as you put it he replied, "That's what the administration would say". He wouldn't even say O'Reilly's (and surprisingly enough, YOUR's as well) opinion was right. He said he couldn't make that call.

Not exactly black and white proof. More like one opinion out of MANY out there.

Personally, I don't know how I feel about the technique. I think in extreme cases against KNOWN terrorists that we KNOW have more info I think it might be reasonable. In Khalid Sheik-Muhammed's case we knew there was more info because we found his laptop.

I don't think its perfectly acceptable or even very useful in most cases.

What I do know though is that your "proof" was just a series of soft-ball tosses to the reporter to get the pre-determined point of view out of him.
A point of view he wouldn't agree was his.

"All talk no action. Its okay. Some people just have no spine."

That's fucking hillarious, Mr. "jack-shit is ours"! Republicans with a spine - haven't seen that since Ike!

This country under six years of Republican control is the most cowardly place I've ever heard of. We're afraid of ninjas with box-cutters; we're afraid of medieval cheiftains hiding in caves halfway across the world; ... we're afraid of gay people, for crying out loud!

Republicans are so afraid they let a crew of trust-fund sissies - who's daddies let the poor kids fight their war while their sons hid out in school - hack away at our constitution until they strike Magna Carta, while all the while they facilitate the theft of our treasury by their friends and ne'er-do-well brothers by way of a bullshit war that is solely the product of unreasoning fear.

No, anybody with any sack at all in this country is shouting harsh, angry questions and indictments at this sorry excuse for a government.

The Truth,

Situations in which such a priori knowledge exists come around once in a blue moon, if ever. The fanciful "ticking time-bomb" mantra of today's proponents of torture exists exclusively in fiction.

But for the sake of argument, lets say it does occur that a terrorist is captured and his captors are somehow made aware that a big "time-bomb" threatens the immininet destruction of a major US city or midwestern petting zoo. Were I one of the captors, and was sure of this knowledge, I'd torture the fuck out of the a--hole until I got the information and saved thousands of lives. I would do this despite my awareness that his activity was illegal, because of the lives at stake. I'd also be pretty sure that the President would pardon me, a beloved national hero, when all the facts were out (unless of course he was Republican, in which case I'd probably be swift-boated into Guantanamo).

Legally sanctioning this sort of procedure only makes it mundane - makes it part of the daily grind. Where torture is legal, if you haven't glassed an ass - any ass - by quitting time you just don't feel like you're earning your pay. The information derived by torture is crap, and the society that condones the torture becomes crap as well.

I agree Sir Loin of Beef.

My opinion is that torture would only be acceptable in the rare instances that we capture someone that we are reasonably certain has valid information regarding life safety.

Such as actually capturing Bin Laden, or maybe the #2 Al Qaeda operative (for what, the 26th time now?).
People of this magnitude would have that sort of information at their disposal.

Throwing a dragnet out and capturing everyone in the middle east named Muhammed, and then waterboarding them, is pretty much a crime.

"Throwing a dragnet out and capturing everyone in the middle east named Muhammed, and then waterboarding them, is pretty much a crime"
SOUNDS LIKE A HELLUVA GOOD START TO ME!
so nice to see that you left wingnuts are so very concerned about the rights of terrorists.
another gem fro the beef girl:
"I'd torture the fuck out of the a--hole until I got the information and saved thousands"
wow! I am so glad that in your infinite wisdom you might actually bow down to the fact that results might improve with the level of "persuasion".
more form the man who would be king (or queen)
"This country under six years of Republican control is the most cowardly place I've ever heard of. We're afraid of ninjas with box-cutters; we're afraid of medieval cheiftains hiding in caves halfway across the world; ... we're afraid of gay people, for crying out loud!"
no nunbnuts we are not afraid of "ninja's with box cutters" . I have yet to see or hear of any ninja's with or without boxcutter roaming America.
Oh and we are not "afraid" of gay people your fagship we just don't want to nor will we be forced to re-define the definition of marriage that has served to define and develop society for over 2000 year for the whims of sexual deviants who choose to force their sickness on us in an effort to legitimize their sexual choice.
I don't knbow what two bit liberal arts college that brainwashed you Mr Beef but if I were you I would seek to get my money back ( or the taxpayers money) . Silly little boy - you can be gay but you don't get to change society by demonizing all who oppose you and forcing your will upon a society that knows better. You homofascists are just as bad as the damn terrorists. Shall we go out and get bombed by terrorists or shall we just conceed to political correctness and have our society be eroded from within by the forces of the socialist progressives? Yeah maybe we should re-deploy the troops- back to the United States because the enemy within is seeking to destroy this country just as much as the liberals are.
Nice try sir loin of hamburger but you need to go back to the first grade for some common sense.

hey purloin of beef I see your true calling:
""I'd torture the fuck out of the a--hole"
that sounds like something you would be very good at. Your symbolism and double entandre and even semi Freudian slip is just friggin hilarious.
That's what we can do to get information from the terrorists- put them up for a weekend with sir loin of beef. Nice romantic music, candlelight, maybe some Elton John music playing softly in the backround. Not only would the terrorists tell us all they know after a weekend with the beef boy "torturing the fuck out of the a--hole" but they would also be politcally correct, hate Bush even more, and ready to march in a gay (laugh) "pride" parade. who knows they might even run on the democrat party in Massachussets!
sirloin you just may be the "secret weapon" in the war on terrorism. You can turn 'em all queer and the worst they will want to do get married and re-decorate your house.

hey purloin of beef I see your true calling:
""I'd torture the fuck out of the a--hole"
that sounds like something you would be very good at. Your symbolism and double entandre and even semi Freudian slip is just friggin hilarious.
That's what we can do to get information from the terrorists- put them up for a weekend with sir loin of beef. Nice romantic music, candlelight, maybe some Elton John music playing softly in the backround. Not only would the terrorists tell us all they know after a weekend with the beef boy "torturing the fuck out of the a--hole" but they would also be politcally correct, hate Bush even more, and ready to march in a gay (laugh) "pride" parade. who knows they might even run on the democrat party in Massachussets!
sirloin you just may be the "secret weapon" in the war on terrorism. You can turn 'em all queer and the worst they will want to do get married and re-decorate your house.

"You can turn 'em all queer and the worst they will want to do get married and re-decorate your house."

Well, as improbable as this course of action would be to succede, it does make more sence than invading and occupying the wrong country and making enemies out of millions of Muslims world-wide with this stupid war that you anonymous chickenshit trolls support but avoid like silk-pantied cowards.

"This country under six years of Republican control is the most cowardly place I've ever heard of."

Yeah Sir Loin. I don't know how anyone would get the idea that you hate America.

"Webb had his dirty tricks handed back to him, and few will vote for a freak who writes graphically about father-son incest."

"BTW, I don't think you can repeat Webb's stuff on air...it would be censored...maybe I'm wrong."

Hilarious!! I'm sorry but you folks are just flat out ridiculous and you don't even know it. You can't really be that stupid.

Shall I let you in on the joke? I shall. What Webb described were standard cultural practices he witnessed and which anyone visiting the region might witness. It is described in this way, by a character who outlining the exotic and foreign nature of the place. It isn't incest any more than circumcision is S&M. The Navy actually uses this text as recommended aculturation reading. Loooooooosers.

You guys will say anything to get more unqualified Republic Party losers like Rubberstamp Chickenhawk Allen. Say it with me: The current batch of Republicaans fuck up everything they touch, trash our values, jack up spending, and foist the bill on someone else. That is what they are about. Wasn't always that way, but it is now.

Keep running your mouths. Please. You are like angry drunks at an AA intervention. People are starting to stare and shake their head sadly.

"Yeah Sir Loin. I don't know how anyone would get the idea that you hate America."

Yup. 'Cuz Republicans is all about 'Merica and 'Merica is alls about Republicans. Yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaawww. And them there deficits too!!! Yeeeeehaaaaaw!!! And "other priorities." Whooooohoooo!! And "stay them that there course." And that there "I'm never about stayin that course cuz I's dynamical!" Yeeeeehaaaaaw! If ya don't love me ya hate 'Merica.

Note to dummy. Alot of us love America and hate 'Merica.

yes - Sir loin of beef is not an anonymous monniker is it? You ol rectum wrecker sir loin, I see you are up to your ol tricks again.
some words of wisdom:
"Keep running your mouths. Please. You are like angry drunks at an AA intervention. People are starting to stare and shake their head sadly."
I agree!! the liberals and "progressives here do sound like refugees from the common sense ward don't they?
we'll see. if you leftards don't win big in this election I seriously think that you had better think about re-directing your beliefs and intentions and maybe just disbanding the whole democratic party and starting from scratch- and this time leave out the far left wingnut politcally correct socialist kooks!
why sirloin I do not wear pink panties amigo- if you believe that I have a fence up in Laramie Wyoming I would like to sell you!

It's all a vast left wing conspiracy. We're out to get you and force you into a gay marriage! We're all on George Soros' payroll. We're enemy agents!

Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaw!!!

"Yup. 'Cuz Republicans is all about 'Merica and 'Merica is alls about Republicans. Yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaawww. And them there deficits too!!! Yeeeeehaaaaaw!!! And "other priorities." Whooooohoooo!! And "stay them that there course." And that there "I'm never about stayin that course cuz I's dynamical!" Yeeeeehaaaaaw! If ya don't love me ya hate 'Merica."

Here's the punchline. Anon doesn't even know he stereotypes himself by applying such a ludicrous stereotype. Here is a game. We'll play my team vs. your team. Think of the best representatives of your lunacy. Here are 5 of mine:

William F. Buckley
Charles Krauthammer
George Will
Christopher Hitchens
Dennis Miller

Now I'll take the pepsi challenge with these guys who love 'Merica vs. any elitist prick you put up there. You fucking stereotype.

OK I am a sterotype but you are an a--hole and here are a few of your hero type leftards
Al Gore
The Ditzy chicks
Nanny Pelosi
George soros
Barbara streisand
oh and must not forget the mother of all moonbats Cindy Sheehan
AL Franken
and the stupid and whiny Kieth Olbermann of course
yeah you moonbat leftards have some reaaaal hero figures on your side
it sounds like the movis script for dumb and dumber
and THEN you laughably suggest that homos should get married!! HA what a laugh
what's next on the dopey diversity tour??
You leftards ain't just called leftards for nothin!
it seems like you Mr sterotypes are great ARE the great sterotype of the looney liberal left
have a nice day Mr Sterotype- just have it somewhere else loser.
YOU LOSE!

Dude I was talking to the anon that posted above you.

Notice the quote.

Pull your head out of you ass.

"oh and must not forget the mother of all moonbats Cindy Sheehan"

Is Anon calling PFC Casey Sheehan, who died in the service of his country in Iraq over two years ago, a moonbat?

Cindy Sheehan is the one who says she fantasizes about travelling back in time to kill George W. Bush as an infant. Casey Sheehan did not say this. Casey's mother Cindy is a moonbat. Casey is not (nor was not) a moonbat.

no you sir loin fucking retard, I not calling the son a moonbat I am calling his dopey ,communist loving mother a moonbat and while I have your attention sirloin of bunghole I am calling YOU a moonbat!
hey sirloin howe is your terrorist interogation coming along? Tortured any a--holes lately girly man?

"Let's ignore the fact that the Libby bit was one of KO's humor bits, a satirical look at an upstanding leader in the "party of morality" writing a book evidently chock full of sex, beastial and otherwise (Note his guest: a political satirist).
Let us instead "look into the mind" of this upstanding member of the party of values."

This was a bit up the thread. I get confused if Olbs is doing humor, reporting news or giving opinion. He should have a laugh track with the humor.

Anon 6.28 Isn't it time you off yourself ?

Yeah you first O'lielly you retarded clown. But I guess AIDS will get you before you get yourself now won't it??

Well, I hate it when they use dead people to hawk products.