Ah... a guy jams the phone lines suprise the idea comes from the RNC. When did Steele become a Dem ?

You know, when you use constantly use silly comments like "the infamous, deplorable, Keith Olbermann", you tend to lose much of you credibility. These silly adjectives remind me of Rissia's former Communist state controlled Pravda "News" agency that would always use those kind of terms to describe anything and everything they didn't like.

Commie far-left wingnuts probably know a lot about Russian propaganda.

Commie far-left wingnuts probably know a lot about Russian propaganda.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 08:13 PM

And facist nazi wanna be torture know something about fixing electionc.

Yes, Commie far-left wingnuts probably do know a lot about Russian propganda, but that has nothing to do with Democrats!

hey Mike ! I suppose that olbermann's cliches are OK though right? Olbermann has much more in common with the commies that this site does.
I find it HILARIOUS that the olbytard is Sooo jealous of Rush. Olbytard wishes he had even 1/10th of the listeners that Rush has.
but alas once again nobody but the kook fringe listens to poor kiethy.
What will olbykook do when the Republicans DO NOT lose?? I want to see his pointed liitle head explode on national TV!
and tell me why this juvenile a--hole O'lielly laways has to post first?? is it some kind of badge of stupidity O'lielly that you always have to open your stupid face here first? a--holes will be a--holes and O'leilly you are second only to Olbermann in being an a--hole.

"And facist nazi wanna be torture know something about fixing electionc."

What does this mean in English?

Exposure. Thats what republicans fear. Keith is exposing corruption in your politics and in your mind. Your brain is wired funny. Get help.

I came across this site by accident, but I am so glad I did. The comic releaf is fantastic. Apparently, the conservative sect of the Pub party has to take their final shots at the Dems before they get their asses handed to them on Nov 7th.
For those of us what want change in this country, and see the writing on the wall that it is about to happen, it's funny to see the desperation and classlessness that the Pubs are showing.
Long Live Keith Olbermann....an News Man with real sense and a whole lot of guts!!!

A lot of gut is more accurate.

"And facist nazi wanna be torture know something about fixing electionc."

What does this mean in English?

Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 08:27 PM

That's a good question. I was eating pizza when I wrote that. Sorry.

O'lielly you transparent fag a--hole you AIN'T RUSH that's for sure . you and kieth olbertard have not got even 1/20th of Rush's brain between you. go back to your closet O'leilly. we'll see hoiw smart you liberla asshoes are on November 8th when you LOSE!

To all you right wingers who want to censure people like Olbermann and blame the left for spreading unkind "propaganda", jus remember, your party is the one that actually wanted to muzzle the New York Yime and prosecute journalists. And you can't even see the shame and hipocracy of that!

we'll see hoiw smart you liberla asshoes are on November 8th when you LOSE!

Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 08:36 PM

Doy doy duh duh da doy olbytards blah doy dah ...
Like I said. Your brain is wired funny. Get help soon.

All, right! He's covered part of the O'Relly - Letterman "Friday Night Fight". I meant to see that and forgot.

By the way: To all you name callers: Is Letterman a left wing commie too?

By the way: To all you name callers: Is Letterman a left wing commie too?

Posted by: Mike at October 30, 2006 08:49 PM

Again, All nonconforming humans are left wing commies. Dick Armey is probably one now in their eyes. God bless him for being honest.

There we go...WPITW for the National Review over the "Mister" Bush article.

Funny how the guy literally goes after every single article/individual/news entity who so much as utters his name in a remotely negative light, yet makes absolutely zero mention of either OW or KarmaBites1.

Hey, Olby: Here Kitty, Kitty.

Olbyloon & liberal world:

Criticizing the media = censorship

Criticizing Harold Ford = racism

Pointing out the truth about a cloning bill = attacking sick people

Prosecuting terrorits = destroying our constitution

Fighting the War on Terror = committing terrorism

Libs..you might, might when the House next Tuesday. But it's not because normal Americans are becoming more liberal or think highly of the Democrat leadership. If there's a Democratic victory, it will be a very, very short lived one.

"I find it HILARIOUS that the olbytard is Sooo jealous of Rush."

If I got caught at customs with a bottle of Viagra in someone else's name, I'd probably go to jail. Why shouldn't other people be jealous of Limbaugh?

And why does this blog tell its readers to expect spin from Olbermann, instead of reporting on his "spin"? Isn't that... propaganda?

You are right Big Red, it's not really because Americans are becoming more liberal, or think highly of the Democrat leadership...no, not at all.

They are FINALLY seeing the lies and the hypocracy of today's right wing.

Good news! KO will be co-anchoring MSNBC's Election Night coverage. The chance to see a serious meltdown live on-the-air could be fun.

He'll actually have to report when Steele beats Cardin in Maryland, Liebermann wins in Connecticut, Corker beats Ford in Tennessee and the Republicans hold the Senate, and perhaps the house.

olbytard gave RUSH one of the worst persons in the world award but he conviently forgot to include that the spastic little shit MJ Fox DID NOT EVEN READ the bill he was supporting!! Fox did not even knbow what he was pimping for. typical democrat stupidity.
Why won't olbytard EVER even mention the other side to the story?? any story??.
"By the way: To all you name callers: Is Letterman a left wing commie too?"
no ltterman is just another hollywood/new york liberal a--hole pimping for the 'rats.
"Doy doy duh duh da doy olbytards blah doy dah ...
Like I said. Your brain is wired funny. Get help soon."
you write real good for a liberal leftard! Funny I may have misspelled two words but you know I was talking to YOU leftard.
I would expect that some sniveling left wingnut would think that my brain is wired funny. It's called HAVING a brain and an IQ higher than your show size which appears to be YOUR confronting and present problem screambag. Back to your closet you little screaming fuckball.
On Nov 8th olbermann wil get that retarded liberal smirk smacked right off his stupid looking face... and I will LAUGH!!

olbytard gave RUSH one of the worst persons in the world award but he conviently forgot to include that the spastic little shit MJ Fox DID NOT EVEN READ the bill he was supporting!! Fox did not even knbow what he was pimping for. typical democrat stupidity. Are all you libs as brain dead but you just don't shake as bad? I hear now that MJ Fox is out of work because he is vibrating so much Rosie O'donnel wants to use him as dildo.
Why won't olbytard EVER even mention the other side to the story?? any story??.
"By the way: To all you name callers: Is Letterman a left wing commie too?"
no Letterman is just another hollyweird/new york liberal a--hole pimping for the 'rats.
"Doy doy duh duh da doy olbytards blah doy dah ...
Like I said. Your brain is wired funny. Get help soon."
you write real good for a liberal leftard! Funny, I may have misspelled two words but you knew I was talking to YOU leftard.
I would expect that some sniveling left wingnut would think that my brain is wired funny. It's called HAVING a brain and an IQ higher than your shoe size which appears to be YOUR confronting and present problem screambag. Back to your closet you little screaming fuckball.
On Nov 8th olbermann wil get that retarded liberal smirk smacked right off his stupid looking face... and I will LAUGH!!

I would expect that some sniveling left wingnut would think that my brain is wired funny. It's called HAVING a brain and an IQ higher than your show size which appears to be YOUR confronting and present problem screambag. Back to your closet you little screaming fuckball.
On Nov 8th olbermann wil get that retarded liberal smirk smacked right off his stupid looking face... and I will LAUGH!!

Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 09:12 PM

You are sick,deluded and confused. Take your prescriptions and go to bed.

Anonymous...whoever that is?

You write REAL good too, for a right winger anyway!...but then again, the standard here is pretty low.

I especially like all those classy words you love to use, like "Liberal smirk", retarded Liberal, olbytards, spastic, etc.". Boy, you really are impressing everyone with your political savy and intelligence!

To the last Anonymous: Limbaugh made the hateful accusation that Mr. Fox (who has campaigned for a Republican stem-cell research supporter) is being partisan and exaggerating his illness. You say Fox did not read the bill he was supporting, but fail to mention which bill (and last I recall, the commercial Limbaugh referred to was supporting a canidate, not a bill).

How are those two things related? Does KO have to make both sides look equally bad, even if it means going off the topic?

yeah ho hum scream on you little leftard whiner. but thank you for re-posting some of my work!
I noticed olbytard has given up on pimping his autobiography- The worst person in the world. musta fallen right off the bottom of the charts in to the shitheap where it belongs.
hey scream ball! I may be deluded and sick and all and I can take "medication" but you will always be a brain dead leftard- you can't fix stupid so you'll always be stupid, screamball.
I don't need no stinkin' medication! I would be willing to bet money that my IQ is almost TWICE what yours is.

To the last Anonymous: Limbaugh made the hateful accusation that Mr. Fox (who has campaigned for a Republican stem-cell research supporter) is being partisan and exaggerating his illness. You say Fox did not read the bill he was supporting, but fail to mention which bill (and last I recall, the commercial Limbaugh referred to was supporting a canidate, not a bill).

How are those two things related? Does KO have to make both sides look equally bad, even if it means going off the topic?

hummmmmm an anonymous soldier takes a shot at Bill O'Reilly.
My unnamed,unidentified,anonymous sources tell me that soldier was in fact Rear Admiral Krazy Keith Olbermann who leaked this story by way of Sergeant Shuster....lol.
Leave it up to the tan man to go with an anonymous source.

Leave it up to the tan man to go with an anonymous source.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 09:33 PM

I know what you mean, Anonymous. It's hard to take anyone seriously when they label themself "Anonymous".

hey scream ball! I may be deluded and sick and all and I can take "medication" but you will always be a brain dead leftard- you can't fix stupid so you'll always be stupid, screamball.
I don't need no stinkin' medication! I would be willing to bet money that my IQ is almost TWICE what yours is.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 30, 2006 09:32 PM

I will pray for you tonight. Your words tell me you need it.

I noticed, speaking of voting machines, there was nothing about one of Krazy Keith's good buddies, Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez (whom he would NEVER call "The Worst Person in the World" in a million years - nor would he bestow it on Castro, Sadr, Nasrallah, Zawahiri, Daniel Ortega or others who would truly deserve it, unlike most of those he DOES name in his lists) controlling a company (SmartMatic) that makes electronic voting machines used in several states of this Union. Alas, the same shady group (Bush-controlled, alas, alack) that tried to pawn off our ports to Dubai, rubber-stamped the deal giving control of such E-voting machines to someone who is a sworn enemy of this country. After all, the bottom line's all that counts to them, don't bother them with the national security (or sovereignty) implications. . . .

"I don't need no stinkin medication"...."we don't need no ed-u-ca-tion" - Pink Floyd.

Scream, indierk, Mike, et. al. This anonymous a--hole is clearly not real - its Johnny Dollar or Robert Cox, cleverly writing one or two short notches below their normal level of sophistication, trying to get rid of the people who keep winning every last debate and smack-down.

W.B., it seems kind of arbitrary to me that you are so upset at what Olbermann is NOT reporting. I mean, by your logic, couldn't I call him a Nazi sympathizer for never once having Hitler his "Worst Person in the World"?

there was nothing about one of Krazy Keith's good buddies, Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez (whom he would NEVER call "The Worst Person in the World"
Posted by: W.B. at October 30, 2006 09:44 PM

W.B.- this is gonna hurt, so please make sure you're seated. Copy and paste the link below and you are about to be very disappointed and eat a buffet portion of crow. (Ahhh, the power of Google!)

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14943244/

Scream, indierk, Mike, et. al. This anonymous a--hole is clearly not real - its Johnny Dollar or Robert Cox, cleverly writing one or two short notches below their normal level of sophistication, trying to get rid of the people who keep winning every last debate and smack-down.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 30, 2006 09:47 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. "They" hate being talked back to. They just like to live in a deluded power trip fake existance.

W.B.,

Allright; lets get rid of electronic voting! Whether its Chavez, Chuck Hagel, or Diebold who owns them, they are hackable and a death-knell to our system of government without a paper trail.

Give me a ballpoint pen, an optical scan card, and point me to the ballot box!

Wow, the Krazies are off their meds tonight aren't they?

I declare Krazy Keith an Illegal combatant and would hope a citizens arrest is imminent!
No bail!
No 5lb Costco size tub of man tan!
No bubble baths!
That should break him!!!

Wow, the Krazies are off their meds tonight aren't they?

Posted by: Brandon at October 30, 2006 10:04 PM

The ones that need the meds are on your side of the fence Brandon.

Uh... "illegal combatant"? Anon, did you mean "Illegal alien" or "enemy combatant"?

Hey, all of us NEOCONS- let's go over to the liberal blogs and post some good stuff... you know, just like the libs here! We can name-call, use hyperbole, and just lie.

We'll post all over the blue blogs, like MoveOn, Daily Kos, DU... oh, wait... the LIBERAL blogs don't allow dissent. They don't allow postings that disagree with thier narrow, tolerant, views.

Oh, well- I guess we'll just have to suffer the pains of being the true party of free speech.

Hey, all of us NEOCONS- let's go over to the liberal blogs and post some good stuff... you know, just like the libs here! We can name-call, use hyperbole, and just lie.

Posted by: LawStudentSteve at October 30, 2006 10:32 PM

I thought this site was made to point out the disrotions and lies of Keith Olbermann. You mean to tell me this is a right sided site? Oh, that must mean that you are looking at Keith from that point of view and that explains it all. It's not truth you want, It's to continue in the big lie. And I thougt Keith was supposed to be partisan. YOU ARE.

By the way, my favorite site isn't moveon or daily kos, it is themoderatevoice and andrewsullivans. You like to think only moveon liberal wackos are not "with you" on the republicans. You are very wrong.

Uh, hey... Scream, is it? Here's a clue- you and the libs like you spam this site daily with partisan crap.

I was just pointing out that WE (you know- those nasty NEOCONS) allow you to do it (Mr. Cox and Mr. Dollar anyway). Get it?

Read up this thread and hone in on posts from the tolerant, accepting, liberals such as:

*"facist nazi wanna be torture know something about fixing electionc."

*"This anonymous a--hole is clearly not real - its Johnny Dollar or Robert Cox, cleverly writing one or two short notches below their normal level of sophistication"

Read archive posts from the likes of O'lamely, where he nightly advocates the murder/death of people he doesn't agree with.

So, yeah- I guess that makes me just as partisan as Krazy Keith- but I ADMIT IT. Krazy DENIES it.

Now, go upstairs... your mother is calling for you to take out the trash.

I have heard more scintillating conversation from a group of snot nosed four and five year olds.

No one from the left seems able to express one logical thought, much less string two together.

And those from the right seem to have fallen prey to the same malady. Please quit responding in kind to these agitators. It is EXACTLY what they want.

For God's sake, please don't respond in kind. You are walking into an ambush with your eyes wide open.

Keep your powder dry for a legitimate debate. Although I have rarely been confronted by two cogent thoughts in a row from these trolls, hope springs eternal.

Uh, hey... Scream, is it? Here's a clue- you and the libs like you spam this site daily with partisan crap.
Posted by: LawStudentSteve at October 30, 2006 10:44 PM
No, I'm sorry but I think you have a little confusion thing going on. This is Olbermannwatch. I am not spamming, I am giving my two cents, for whatever its worth. Unless I am mistaken then please help me understand. Is this just a political smear site? Only other right wing hacks who hate Olbermann and like to share their venom with eachother? It makes it a little tougher when the other side gets to have a say. It is why despite the fact that clearly the site owners are n fans of Olbermann I like the site. It is a great place to hear another point of view. I don't have a problem doing that. Do you?

Three points for Mark "Johnny Dollar" Koldys on the Rush Limbaugh worst person in the world rant...

1. I think a "cable outlet" also counts as a "tv network" in the minds of most people. You want to call that a "lie", go right ahead, but you're reaching.

2. "Here -- and by the way, many cable outlets have taken that snippet of video from the ditto cam and they're speeding it up, I am told. Now, I haven't seen it, but I've been inundated with emails from people who say, "Rush, it's unconscionable what they're doing. They're speeding it up to make it look even more exaggerated to fulfill their claim that you are making fun of Fox."

If you really see a difference between Rush "reporting" the above and Rush "claiming" the above - beyond a silly semantics argument - go right ahead, but you're spinning.

3. It's good to see you're linking to Media Matters now for the true, unvarnished facts in these cases. Finally, readers of this site know where to go to see actual true transcripts without the "Marky Dollar" spin.

> beyond a silly semantics argument - go right ahead, but you're spinning.

Oh, I'm spinning for reporting what he said accurately. But Olbermann is NOT spinning when he takes what Rush said, rewrites his words, and doctors his quote?

If you believe that, you might just be an OlbyLoon!

Guess I'm an olbyloon. You were certainly spinning on that one and the gentleman called you on it.

Rush was reporting, what he claims he was told, to insinuate that he was the victim of foul play. Olbermann called him on it and you the great defender of all that is republican jumped in to defend Rush. By pointing point out that Rush didn't directly state he was the victim of foul play just that he indirectly implied he was the victim of foul play. Great. thanks for clearing that up Johnny.

You're spinning - yes indeed, Marky Dollar. The exact definition of the word, actually, and you know it.

And how did he "doctor the quote" exactly?

I believe it. You may continue with your silly name-calling, Mister Poopie Pants.

Sorry jt but you are not telling the truth. I didn't "defend Rush". I don't care if he was right, wrong, or whatever. The issue isn't Rush, it's Olby taking what Rush said and changing the meaning to make an attack out of it.

It's very easy to see: you look at what Rush said (he's been told something but hasn't seen it himself) vs what Olby said (Rush "claimed" something). They don't match. They don't match because Olby took the words, twisted them around the way he wanted them to be, and ran with it. If the man can't report something accurately even when George Soros has the text written out for him on a web page, then he deserves to get called on it. He didn't tell the truth, and we caught him again.

"3. It's good to see you're linking to Media Matters now for the true, unvarnished facts in these cases. Finally, readers of this site know where to go to see actual true transcripts without the "Marky Dollar" spin."

Thanks, Cox. I didn't want to bring it up myself, but Media Matters does provide a transcript and, where applicable, audio or video clips. Usually more than is necessary, in order to fully establish context. I only wish this blog did the same. One post comparing Olbermann's reactions to fiction writing from both the left and right really truncated his speech to only a few lines. I would have liked more of Olbermann's original context. It would lend more credibility to the site.

Keith Olbermann is a great patriot and a true American hero.

You guys should focus your attacks on someone who deserves them, like Bill O'Reilly or G. W. Bush.

Maybe this will help, Mark - I changed a little bit from what jt wrote.

Rush was reporting, what he claims he was told, to insinuate that he was the victim of foul play. Olbermann called him on it and you the great defender of all that is republican jumped in to CLAIM OLBERMANN "CHANGED THE MEANING TO MAKE AN ATTACK OUT OF IT", WHEN THE MEANING IS PERFECTLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE (INCLUDING YOU). By pointing point out that Rush didn't directly state he was the victim of foul play just that he indirectly implied he was the victim of foul play. Great. thanks for clearing that up Johnny.

You spun, you denied spinning, you spun again.

I wonder how Keith Olbermann feels knowing that he affected these imbeciles so much that they had to create this masturbatory site?

Pretty good I bet.

iFlurry, to say there is something that would lend "more credibility to this site" would be to suggest this site has any credibility in the first place.

Read Crazy Cox's post a couple down from this on on being "attacked" by Media Matters, then read the MM post itself - it's like one of those Highlight Magazine "how many differences can you find between the two photos" games!

These two are so desperate to be considered relevant they pretend that actual relevant sites are attacking them.

Posted by: W.B. at October 30, 2006 09:44 PM

Were you aware that it was the Democrats who asked the Treasury Department to investigate a possible Venezuelan connection in the sale of this company? And that even though Reps didn't seem to care then, they suddenly care now?

Posted by: Cox&Balls at October 30, 2006 11:42 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about it. JD has a history of not understanding synonyms and a history of "flip-flopping". For example, if KO, or Shuster or someone 'reported' it would be described as JD as a 'claim', or "he said" ignoring the source of the report.

Now, for about the only thing I have time for:
JD: "He cited a poll showing Steele (Michael, not Remington) behind 11 points; cleverly, KO failed to mention a more recent poll that puts the margin at five points."
See here JD uses 'cite', while technically correct, is not idiomatically correct. 'Cite' is strong, giving the impression, that no doubt OWers will assume as being true, that KO showed a WaPo poll that showed Cardin with a lead over Steele 54 to 43. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Instead, KO, in pointing out how Reps are avoiding Bush, said something like "polls show as much as 11 points." Now, of course, he could have said "as little as" but that wouldn't really make sense would it? But, of course, KO is 'cherry-picking' polls, eh?

BTW, the Rasmussen poll is NOT more recent. The polls went to the same day (even though I believe the Raz was announced first I can only find reporting for both being released the same day). In addition, the spread was seven not five (even though five seems to be widely reported - makes you wonder what happened).

Even if he did 'cite' only the WaPo poll I wouldn't blame him. Which would you cite if you had a choice:
a) a poll of 1000 likely voters with a 3% margin of error or
b) a poll of 500 likely voters with probably a 5% moe?

Interesting the same Raz poll puts Webb ahead of Allen by 5. Even a CNN poll has him up by 4. Either A) their methods are off or B)people are finally waking up to the fact that Allen is a racist Bush-bot. (I predict A)

(Lennon/McCartney)
This happened once before
When I came to your door
No reply
They said it wasn't you
But I saw you peep through
your window

I saw the lie, I saw the lie
Please Johhny we had said
Please answer before bed.
No Reply.

No Reply. No Reply

"Keith Olbermann is a great patriot and a true American hero." - Andy Partridge

I suppose you mean like such individuals as Walter Duranty (Pulitzer Prize-winning propagandist for the Soviets, who whitewashed their murderous atrocities in the '30's) and Herbert Matthews (who in the '50's first elevated Fidel Castro to the status he undeservedly enjoys to this day)? Speaking of Castro, there are people rotting in Cuban jails to this day for uttering the exact same things about Fidel, that Olbermann spouts every day on his "Nothing-But-Spin Zone" about 'Mister' Bush. Keith should be thankful he doesn't live in a country like that - but he probably isn't, with his moral equivalencies and all that lot.

And viz the E-voting controversy: The Dems are so obsessed about the likes of Diebold (and regaining power at all costs), they probably didn't even pay any mind to the Chavez shenanigans and their implications until it was just brought up.

Speaking of Castro, there are people rotting in Cuban jails to this day for uttering the exact same things about Fidel, that Olbermann spouts every day on his "Nothing-But-Spin Zone" about 'Mister' Bush. Keith should be thankful he doesn't live in a country like that - but he probably isn't, with his moral equivalencies and all that lot.
Posted by: W.B. at October 31, 2006 03:25 AM

Keith has been the one trying to make sure that we DON'T live under a dictator like a Castro. Bur since Mister Bush is a republican, you don't mind that he acts like one I guess and that someone calls him on it makes them immoral to you. Youe equivalencies leave a lot to be desired.

"Sweet tidy bowl Jesus skipping on the blue toilet water." This place is full of bitter people. I think I actually read someone's post touting his own IQ. Honestly, how juvenile, small, and simple can someone be?

This site is scarcley more than dittoheads sputtering useless drivel onto the internet as fast as their corrupted minds can manage to soak up or dream up a new lie. Honestly, there is no genuinly thoughtful, caring, or introspective person that could defend the likes of Ann Coulter, Mike Savage, or Rush Limbaugh. It takes a very special mix of lazy, ignorance, and contempt to fall in line with these"talking heads."

Don't believe me? Then you might be:
a) easily duped into discounting evolution;
b) giving your money to the priviledged in society instead of to the needy; and,
c) effortlessly mislead into a war under false pretenses killing thousands.

But, don't fret. The predators of the world need gullable people such as you.

Krazy Keith spewed: "The President is no longer charging admission for each of his campaign appearances. That's right, he's now lying for free."

Didn't Konvoluted Keith pay admission to "interview" known liar BJ Clinton ?

Why would Mr. Cox want Olbermann to mention the attack on the school in Pakistan? We claim that we had nothing to do with it. The Pakistanis claim that we have nothing to do with it...

All that remains is for the Pakistani government to take all the remains of kids out of the rubble and pretend that they are terrorists...

Scream, indierk, Mike, et. al. This anonymous a--hole is clearly not real - its Johnny Dollar or Robert Cox
Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 30, 2006 09:47 PM

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Paranoid much loin-y? Must not have gotten that hug after all, huh?

"Citizen Keith" got one thing right last night. The tribute to Red Auerbach. Citizen Keith should stick to sports.

Can't wait to see his face on Election Night when the democrats go down like the Titanic.

Republicans will hold serve and hopefully we will see some changes in Iraq.

Support the troops.
Little Feechie.

Did you see the size of Limbaugh's Cigar?
What is Citizen Keith trying to tell us?

Republican logic: Support the troops by rubber-stamping the orders of an idiot wartime deserter...

Instapoll:

Kerry insulted the troops, saying (paraphrased) "if you study you can do well, if you don't you get STUCK in Iraq." Now, will we hear about this on the hour of spin?

Speaking of Castro, there are people rotting in Cuban jails to this day for uttering the exact same things about Fidel, that Olbermann spouts every day on his "Nothing-But-Spin Zone" about 'Mister' Bush. Keith should be thankful he doesn't live in a country like that - but he probably isn't, with his moral equivalencies and all that lot.
Posted by: W.B. at October 31, 2006 03:25 AM

*********

Castro looks like crap...Time to add him to the death pool.

Odormann had on Wayne Slater of the Dallas Morning Snews? Hahahahahahahahahaha. What a shock!!! Slater is in the same league as Odormann, David Shuster and Chris Matthews. Slater's the chief disciple of the Hillary Clinton militant religious cult of whack fringe leftist fundamentalist conspiracy theorists.

Kerry's comment was dispicable in a long line of dispicable comments...It's out on You Tube.

Razed Villages, Cut off Limbs, Our troops terrorize people in the middle of the night...Now, if you don't study, you end up in Iraq.

The quinessential azzhole for Mass.
I have a verb and a pronoun that i can think of.

Fortunately for us, Bush managed to chicken out when he had his chance to expose himself to the truth about Vietnam, eh?...

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
_______________________________________________

Thank You John Kerry!
What you said will hurt the Demo-flip-floppers next week!!!!!!!!!!

Flip-floppers?

Like Bush being against the Department of Homeland security before he was for it?

Like Bush being against the 9/11 commission before he was for it?

Like Bush claiming WMDs, then Al Qaeda, then saving the Iraqis from Saddam (by killing them)...?

Like Bush drumming up support for his plan to save social security, then admitting that he didn't really have a plan at all...?

once more Kerry shoots himself in the foot , at least this time it was not to chicken out of combat like he did in Vietnam. Who the fuck would believe ANY liberal slimebag from massachussets anyway? Maybe him and Teddy should go drinking out at Chappaquiddick.

Kerry served a full combat tour in Vietnam. I know that chickenhawks enjoy pretending that everyone is as big a coward as they are, but, there are some people who served.

Who didn't? Reagan, Bush jr, Rush, DeLay, Gingrich and John Wayne...

It's pretty pathetic that liberals such as yourself and the other morons on here whine about loss of rights when the very same bunch call for gun control and the elimination of freedom of religion while promoting the rights of atheists and flag burners. Crawl back up in Mike Moore's crack.

Posted by: Brick at October 31, 2006 08:03 AM

I guess you consider an atheist to be anyone who believes in something other than the world is 6 thousand years old. You are verry shallow and thick I think. No I don't live with mommy, or up Michael Moores crack. You cant handle someone who knows how to form an opinion of their own. Rush Limbaugh is your only vision of truth. I feel so sorry for you. You are so deluded and ignorant of what decent Americans really think and care about. Try to get some help from maybe a family member or a friend. Someone in your world who knows a good doctor for you.

Brick? How do you get so twisted up in your love for Rush? Did he come to you in a dream? Is he holding his viagra hardened cock with an oxycontin buzz when you think of him. He does represent your kind of values doesn't he. Fucked but rich ass and doctors prescription legal high. Never really did anything other than talk shit. So very sad compared to people who have values and an original thought.

The same people who are bad motuhing Kerry for saying you wind uo in Iraq without a education are the same people who make fun of people working at McDonalds or Wal-Mart without an education. Such Hypocrites. And really just a bunch of punks. They would never dream of lowering themselves to go to Iraq. You just use all those brave soldiers to make your weak ass feel tough.

Happy Halloween!-- Republicans, Democrats, Greens, paleocons, neocons, classical liberals, neolibs, libertarians, leftists, and assorted nuts and sleezeballs!

Here's a tip: Never buy trick-or-treat candy that you find irresistable (burp)...

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2006/10/john_kerry_stuck_on_stupid.html

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=33

So he putting down the soldiers before he was cupporting them?

SO bush was for stating the cours before he was not about it.

CORRECTION
SO bush was for stayingthe course before he was not about it.

Seriously democrats...

You were just dreading something like this to happen...where the MSM will undoubtedly spend a couple of days on this instead of on the actual election (meaning the Kerry is not really part of the election this cycle)

Abstinence message goes beyond teens

We should impeach these fuckers now.

By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY
The federal government's "no sex without marriage" message isn't just for kids anymore.

Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007.

The government says the change is a clarification. But critics say it's a clear signal of a more directed policy targeting the sexual behavior of adults.

"They've stepped over the line of common sense," said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit that supports sex education. "To be preaching abstinence when 90% of people are having sex is in essence to lose touch with reality. It's an ideological campaign. It has nothing to do with public health."

Abstinence education programs, which have focused on preteens and teens, teach that abstaining from sex is the only effective or acceptable method to prevent pregnancy or disease. They give no instruction on birth control or safe sex.

The National Center for Health Statistics says well over 90% of adults ages 20-29 have had sexual intercourse.

But Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the revision is aimed at 19- to 29-year-olds because more unmarried women in that age group are having children.

Government data released last month show that 998,262 births in 2004 were to unmarried women 19-29, the ages with the most births to unmarried women.

"The message is 'It's better to wait until you're married to bear or father children,' " Horn said. "The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence."

The revised guidelines specify that states seeking grants are "to identify groups ... most likely to bear children out-of-wedlock, targeting adolescents and/or adults within the 12- through 29-year-old age range." Previous guidelines didn't mention targeting of an age group.

"We wanted to remind states they could use these funds not only to target adolescents," Horn said. "It's a reminder."

Last year, 46 states applied for the federal abstinence-education money, to fund programs in schools, neighborhood clubs and faith-based organizations.

Sarah Brown, director of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, says abstinence programs are among many messages that have helped reduce teen pregnancy rates. But "the notion that the federal government is supporting millions of dollars worth of messages to people who are grown adults about how to conduct their sex life is a very divisive policy," she says.

"We would oppose any program that stigmatizes unmarried people," adds Nicky Grist, executive director of the Alternatives to Marriage Project, a non-profit organization based in Brooklyn, N.Y., that advocates for the rights of unmarried people.

For last year's state grants, Congress appropriated $50 million. A similar amount is expected for 2007, but the money has not yet been allocated, according to the Administration for Children and Families.

"I think the program should talk about the problem with out-of- wedlock childbearing — not about your sex life," Brown says. "If you use contraception effectively and consistently, you will not be in the pool of out-of-wedlock births."
Posted 10/30/2006 10:39 PM ET

Bill...

"impeach these fuckers" for promoting an educational program?

and you guys think there is a problem with OUR brain wiring?

telling adults to not have sex and paying 50 million to do it is beyond bizarre. Why is it that SOME GOP'ers are so against sex ? I mean outside of two married people who are of the opposite sex, unless of course you are a gay closeted republican currently holding office.

Codas writes:

"You just use all those brave soldiers to make your weak ass feel tough."

Well, then Kerry insinuating that troops in Iraq are a bunch of dumb high school goof-offs much really antagonize you... or maybe not...

Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007

This proves that the goverment is out to get Olby. I feel this is directly aimed at trying to get young ladies to quit having sex with Olby.

I feel this is directly aimed at trying to get young ladies to quit having sex with Olby.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 31, 2006 02:07 PM
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Then the $50 mil is money MORE than well spent!

John Kerry has just responded to being called out for calling soldiers uneducated. The whole statement is Democrat talking point after talking point... right wing, Katrina, distorting, cut and run in Afganistan, Iraq, Parkinsons, Limbaugh, blah, blah, blah. You democrats are gonna LOSE bad!

Statement Begins:
Statement of John Kerry Responding to Republican Distortions, Pathetic Tony Snow Diversions and Distractions

Washington – Senator John Kerry issued the following statement in response to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, assorted right wing nut-jobs, and right wing talk show hosts desperately distorting Kerry’s comments about President Bush to divert attention from their disastrous record:

“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”

Bravo Mr Kerry...er President Kerry,, oh wait Ken Blackwell made sure that did not happen... I wonder how things are going for Blackwell and Katherine Harris... oh yeah.. both will be unemployed in a week.

thank god we neocons only have to rig one state each presidential election or the blue bloggers might catch on to us...

"REALLY?!?!?!?" Kyle from South Park on finding out the true 9/11 conspiracy.

Mr. Kerry should not back down and should not back off from his statement.

He said what he meant and he meant what he said and WE ALL ON THE LEFT fully support and agree with him.

The troops in Iraq are uneducated and we all know it. Only a moron would volunteer to serve in the military to defend our pitiful country.

This War...a War that John Kerry voted for the Authorization to Use Force in 2002, is a failure. And the troops are to blame. When we ALL ON THE LEFT say that the U.S. is losing in Iraq, what we really mean is that the U.S. military is losing.

*** Democrats in '06...spitting on the military since Vietnam ***

What Kerry said was this, "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

A real funny guy. What are the chances of anything more than Kerry talking points will appear on the silly Olbermann show this evening?

"“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy."

What does John Kerry know he only served his country honorably in Vietnam while cowards like George W. Bush faked being in the champaign reserves. The standard forte' of cowards is to pretend to defend the brave. The Rove cloaking method of true cowards. Cheney? Coward that never served? Rumsfeld? Served as an aviator but never in combat. Speaker of the House Dennis Hasteret? Avoided the draft and never served. Tom (the grease ball) Delay? Avoided the draft and never served. Carl Rove? Avoided the draft did not serve. Bill O'lielly? and Rush Limpbaugh? Neither served.

This list of cowards is too long to list here. As is standard with pussy cowards you attack those who by contrast make you look even more the coward that you already are.

John Kerry is a decorated veteran with more plums in his left pocket than the entire Republican Rove crime machine put together.

Kerry says this: "If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy."

However, he previously said this: "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Conclusions:

--- he doesn't listen to himself (proved numerous times in 2004)

--- the heroes in Iraq made no efforts to be smart (hence their being in Iraq) and thus, are not smart

Cowards? This hero you speak of Jackass Kerry? Is he the same hero that testified against his fellow soldiers after the war? Zip your f-cking trap... there are very few veterans that would ever vote with a liberal like you, so don't speak like you have our backing.

Well Patrick, unless you are on some kind of medication you can read your own quote from Kerry and see (that is if you understand English) that Kerry is saying that those who study hard and do their home work can end up in the arm forces. How else do you account for Kerry's conclusion in the above statement that smart people who do their homework can get stuck in Iraq?

Fox News is saying today that Snow and John McCain are claiming that Kerry is saying that only uneducated people end up in Iraq. John McCain had my vote until now. He has like so many other Republicans, sold his sould to the Devil - carl Rove!

I am confused, which is it. If you are smart and do your homework how the hell can you get stuck in Iraq? Clearly John Kerry is saying that young people today are, despite being disciplined hard workers, are being fucked over by a Republican government who sends our nations finest off to a war that is unjust and ran by people who exploit them.

The fact that you are willing to read the opposite into what John Kerry is saying demonstrates that you are suffering from a rectal-cranial inversion brought on by letting Rush Limbaugh and Fox News do your thinking for you. To bad for you and them that are people like me around to tell you that you are by proxy one the many cowards who turn your back on democracy and your nation simply because being a coward in a group feels safer to you than being a man who can stand and think on his own.

keep trying!

All I can comment on is what he said, which was this. "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

All I can comment on is what he said, which was this. "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

"Kerry is saying that those who study hard and do their home work can end up in the arm forces"
Posted by: Coward Watch at October 31, 2006 03:11 PM

Kerry's ACTUAL quote: "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

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Hey coward, the quote is IF YOU DON'T, you get stuck in Iraq...how is that reading the opposite? ...but apparently "you are suffering from a rectal-cranial inversion"

Coward Watch says ignorantly: "Clearly John Kerry is saying that young people today are, despite being disciplined hard workers, are being fucked over by a Republican government who sends our nations finest off to a war that is unjust and ran by people who exploit them." NO IDIOT- Kerry says "if you don't study." "Not studying" is only considered hard work if you are a democrat. Learn to read better before you come blog with the smart people. Dumbass!

John F. Kerry reporting for duty in 2004,
Or as Ace would say... "Reporting for duty, idiots!"

"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty," the Massachusetts senator in his acceptance speech while saluting the cheering crowd of Democratic delegates that packed Boston's FleetCenter in 2004. He also said the Republicans do not have a monopoly on the flag and patriotism.
...Or shilling for the enemy, or wanting to cut and run in war or treason.

"Is he the same hero that testified against his fellow soldiers after the war?"

So the few bad apple soldiers being prosecuted today for deaths of innocent people Iraq are being prosecuted without the benefit of their fellow soldiers testifying against them? I think not. Are you going to call these veterans "jackasses" for doing their duty to their nation by testifying about crimes they are witnesses to? No way. Why because you too have no clue what it means to fight for democracy if you call John Kerry anything but a hero. John McCain is even a bigger hero and he should be ashamed to play politics like so many pin heads who care more about being elected to office than the integrity of our nation and the armed forces who protect it. By your words - just because you served doesn't make you credible so in the same why you dis Kerry I dis you. Your precedent, your condemnation. Just Because you served means nothing. What matters is if you stand as man or as member of group that subverts logic and reason for political purposes or for the sake of feeling like you belong to something. The worst kind of American. You fit in well here!

Where did you serve loser...

Coward go home. You have proven today that you can't read AND you have the same bias as Olbermann and will say anything to demonstrate it. loser!

Kerry is a loose marble on a warped floor.

I wonder how Rove got Kerry to say that?...he is an evil genius!

Of course this isn't the first time Kerry has trashed our troops in Iraq..he did call them terrorist earlier so this really is no surprise.

By tonight Chrissy,KO and the rest of the DNC cheerleaders of the MSM will be ready to help defend Kerry and blame Bush and company.

"What Kerry said was this, "You know education, if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

A real funny guy. What are the chances of anything more than Kerry talking points will appear on the silly Olbermann show this evening?

Posted by: Patrick at October 31, 2006 02:56 PM"

If you don't do well you get stuck Iraq. No one knows better than a student who joins the armed forces today about the educational benefits offered by our government. What they also know is that tuition costs have skyrocketed since Bush got in office. Coincidence? I think not. If you come from middle income or lower income background and you have investigated the costs of a college education you understand better than most that you have fewer and fewer avenues to go down to get a college education. The percent of soldiers in Iraq who are there because they come from a limited financial background are the majority.

John Kerry speaks the truth exactly how it is. Poor people are fighting a rich mans war and the rich students who go off to college live in the lap of luxury compared to what our soldiers live in. Of those students who are there that party and fail to do the work to get a good educationl indeed may end up with their back against the wall in the future. The number of rich students who finish college and end up on the front lines in Iraq is near nil. Everyone knows it and to argue otherwise it is just dishonest.

John Kerry made an accurate statement. The truth hurts. The same truth that let Bush, Cheney, Rove, Denny Hastert and too many others here to list. off the hook from having to serve their country. They never had to put their life on the line because of a lack of means to get a good education.

Defending the cowards who sent our nations finest off to fight a war for rich oil companies is nothing more than cowardice in my book. Don't bother arguing semantics - Kerry served - Bush and Cheney didn't. Live with it!

“They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads. . . randomly shot at civilians. . cut off limbs, blown up bodies.. razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan. . .”

here's the new part about Kerry from MSNBC itself:

A source close to Kerry tells NBC News that he was trying to make a "tough and honest joke" about Bush and that in the process he omitted two words which changed the intended meaning. Per the source, Kerry meant to say that he can't "overstress the importance of a great education" and that "if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy... You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." Kerry mistakenly dropped the "getting us" from his initial remarks.

....yeah...that's the ticket, hey have you met my wife There, um, I mean, Morgan Fairchild!

here's the new part about Kerry from MSNBC itself:

A source close to Kerry tells NBC News that he was trying to make a "tough and honest joke" about Bush and that in the process he omitted two words which changed the intended meaning. Per the source, Kerry meant to say that he can't "overstress the importance of a great education" and that "if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy... You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." Kerry mistakenly dropped the "getting us" from his initial remarks.(http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/31/9546.aspx)

....yeah...that's the ticket, hey have you met my wife There, um, I mean, Morgan Fairchild!

that's quite a woopsie.

John Kerry is
.....The WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!!!!

Which is it Loons? Was he misquoted or was he picking on the intelligence of our troops? Either way you are damned. But you like to play it both ways and confuse the issue. Thats why you don't have an agenda. You are stupid. You are confused. And you are gonna lose on Tuesday. Thanks for making sure EVERY GI votes republican.

There is a team of people in the demo-flip-flopper camp as we speak trying to figure out what Lurch said
.......what a big dummy!!!

What? Are you people justifying yourselves now by attacking Kerry? You would still defend a war in which almost 4 YEARS have gone by now and we just lost over 100 soldiers this month. That is tragic. Some of you could not care less if the number was 1000. All that matters is that it is a war that a republican administration started and supported. Anything goes. You should be ashamed if you still support this mess. What did you do to these brave young men and women. Using them to win elections. Karl Rove whispered in the deciders ear years ago to attack Iraq. If you can't see through this bullshit it is because you are stupid.

Shut up Codas! Are you changing the subject? Kerry said it and now it's his turn to get smacked down. I don't think your topic changing will work today. Your party of choice ate a huge can of dumb treats and now they have to pay the price. Sit back and wacth the Foley scandal fade in the rearview mirror. You dems are d-u-m-b.

I'm John Kerry .....the GOP KNEW I can't tell a joke....and I could ramble on for hours.....so I will....I dare you to pay attention to my monotone garble....I'm John Kerry.

This country is about to kick some of you right in your paper ass. Tough talk but not enough balls to join. Sickening. Pathetic. What is your way out? What is your plan. Support tax cuts and war. That is all you need to be told. Sheep. The joke is on anyone that thinks you will be able to justify this time in history to your childrens children.

You dems are d-u-m-b.

Posted by: benson at October 31, 2006 04:40 PM

You are a spoiled stupid child in your mind. You think it is a game to have people die for you.

Go home Codas- Its pick on "John Kerry's Dumb Comments Day". Come back tomorrow with your daily bullshit grind about the world is going to end. Only 3 more hours til you get your spin-points from Olbermann on why the Republicans are to blame for John Kerry's ignorant statements.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Nice Chicken Little costume Codas.

I don't need any spin-points from anyone, including Olbermann. I'm not waiting for someone to tell me what to think. Some of you are supporting mass murder and torture. You have nothing to say about nothing but what Kerry said, what Olbermann said. Brainless and gutless.

Go home Codas... you must be fun at parties.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Nice Chicken Little costume Codas.

Posted by: codas=chicken little at October 31, 2006 04:50 PM

Let the sky fall. You will be the one begging under the table for God to forgive you for what you have supported.

Go home Codas... you must be fun at parties.

Posted by: benson at October 31, 2006 04:56 PM

If I spoiled your fun, then my work here is done.

For now.....

ah John Kerry speaks. another reason to thank the Swift Boat Vetrans for truth!! Bush may not be the best but could you just imagine an America with a president who is even farther to the left that Turd Kennedy?!?!
" What is your way out?"
Codas in answer to your "question"- WIN
and why do you have such an aversion to Americans keeping more of the money they make than turning it over to the government??
Re-distribution of wealth is one of the hallmarks of socialism.
PS for what is worth I am NOT anon @ 4:48pm although his/her position IS well taken it ain't me.

codas you are one of the funniest "guys" here man! You are at least smarter and a little more articulate than the dreaded and despised sirloin of barf and WAAAY better than the dumb and illiterate "O'lielly" .
well gotta go for now, I am trying to learn the Navajo language and it ain't easy!
yatahey Hosteen!

Oh Brick...

You are exactly the type of person I was speaking of. Christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive. You can be a sesible christian who understands the evidence of your own eyes and still have faith. That's the reason most christians go to a hospital instead of a faith healer when they are hurt. Even christians know faith healers are bogus, well most do. Either grow a brain and use it or shut up. The world isn't black and white. It's not christians and others. It's not republicans and democrats. It's not even finite shades of gray. So bite me.

Your lovable CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT who believes in EVOLUTION.
Josh

That's the reason most christians go to a hospital instead of a faith healer when they are hurt. Even christians know faith healers are bogus, well most do. Either grow a brain and use it or shut up. The world isn't black and white. It's not christians and others. It's not republicans and democrats. It's not even finite shades of gray. So bite me.

Your lovable CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT who believes in EVOLUTION.
Josh

JOSH, whoever you are, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for saying it so nice and simple.

You're very welcome Codas.

well are their not Christians who believe in creation but believe that evolution was how it came about?
"It's not even finite shades of gray. So bite me."
well that is one differnce between you and me. Something is either right or wrong. Some things are so multi-faceted and encompass so many different complexities that they must be broken down to discern the right and wrong.
as for biting you. well I choke on small bones for one thing and I know most of you liberals do not have your rabies shots because you appear, for the most part to have the survival instincts and the common sense of rabid hamsters on crack or lemmings on smack or sheep on hippy crack or........
anyway Josh have a happy Halloween or Samhain or whatever you celebrate this harvest season.
Yatahey!

Some things are so multi-faceted and encompass so many different complexities that they must be broken down to discern the right and wrong.
Posted by: Anonymous at October 31, 2006 05:19 PM

I understand. It makes your brain hurt so make the pain go away. Kill it if you have to is your solution.

"Something is either right or wrong. Some things are so multi-faceted and encompass so many different complexities that they must be broken down to discern the right and wrong."

How does that follow? Complexity isn't even the issue. The issue is that future prediction isn't possible. If it were then we'd all know exactly what actions would improve the world in which we live. As it is, the best we can do is try. But a moral decision regarding almost any action can be easily viewed in an alternate light. My point is that no group conservative, liberal, christians, muslims, or bhuddists has a monopoly on the facts. (Disregarding the fact that the last three claim exactly that.) Your eyes will tell you that if you simply observe the world surrounding your frail body.

Your friendly neighborhood DEMOCRATIC CHRISTIAN.
Josh

By the way Anon. I've got a question for you. Since you can reduce everything to right and wrong.

Given that you are a christian, I don't know this but at least pretend with me. You come across a dieing child. You, being a good christian, want to save the child so you:
A) stop there and pray for the child, then call and ambulance
B) immediately call an ambulance and then pray for the child
C) bring the child to a faith healer and pray over the child for the next 3 days straight

Which one is right and why? I'm incredibly interested in your thought process.

Josh

ah codas alas poor codas:
"Kill it if you have to is your solution."
you know not of my theory of solution.
I kill not unless self defense or defense of a loved one. I shoot deer to eat not for sport or trophy. i endeavor to be benovolent of all poor creatures like homelss, abused dogs .As a matter of fact the last person who I trounced was some dumb a--hole that was abusing a dog and that was many moons ago amigo. I take every person at face value and with the benefit of the doubt and do not judge until given reason.You assume so much when you know so very little.
Josh, I don't deal to much in future predictions only past and present realities. There are some baselines I adhere to religiously. don't kill, don't steal' don't lie. I do try to live by the golden rule- No not the one that says those with the gold rules but - do unto others as they would do unto you.
I know that you self professed "unjudgemental" liberals will spring to judge conservatives but your admition Josh of shades of grey do make sense when conversley applied to people who think differently than you do.
The only true shades of grey apply only to people not to principles.

your friendly ex-hippy and now conservative neighbor "anonymous"

josh # 1 wherein and whenever did I EVER profess or confess to being a Christian? you know what they say about assumtions I assume?
I adhere to the premise of common sense first. I assess the situation, give first aid, call the ambulance all the while praying for help for the child. Faith healers?? I have studied and read extensively about Shamanism but in situations of immediate physical distress I go with good old modern medicine. Once again shades of grey apply to individual people and situations but the concrete belief in right and wrong always apply to be able to judge what to do.
If the situation indicates that the child is in fact going to die some people might just figure that no amount of help will or could do anything to change the outcome- that is where faith reinforced with common sense can work miracles- which I do strongly believe in.
To quote an old Jackson Browne song: "let your prayers go drifting into space, you never know what could be coming down".
hope that this has been insightful for you Josh.

Are we taking a break from the latest hiding-in-wide-open-spaces by the cowards that never wore the uniform of the US military by attacking a decorated veteran for imply that because Bush didn't do well in school he ended up leading his nation into war that has become the fiasco in Iraq, and instead debating what a Christian is? Answer is simple, a person who wraps themselves in a cloak moral distinctions to hide their own perception of themselves as immoral. A perspective spoon fed to them from clergy and Rove types who nurture their subjects for subjecation.

God? How about who created Satan and why? What God who created all thing can duck from the responsibility of creating all that is evil. If you read the bible or were raised in orthodox Christianity you know the bible says that God not only created Satan but even granted him the privilege to choose and to rein as God's equal opposite. As if God was bored and created an opponent to play a large scale chess game.

Who believes such nonsense? The same people who listen Fox News and Rush Limpbaulm. Fools!

"I wonder how Keith Olbermann feels knowing that he affected these imbeciles so much that they had to create this masturbatory site?

Pretty good I bet.

Posted by: Free America at October 31, 2006 01:21 AM"

Another American Hero!

More like delusion of grandeur site! Imagine that there are pin heads that frequent this place claiming to be upset that Kerry dissed the troops. Mean while they defend the draft dodger president and his cabinet of chicken hawk cowards who have lead our troops into a war for oil and did it on the cheap so they could give tax cuts to the wealthiest one percent of our nation. November 7th can't come soon enough!

Ugh... Anon

Please keep up, or in he alternative actually read my post. I did not presume you were christian, I simply started with it as a premise for a question. I know I didn't presume because I said "at least pretend." Honestly, how can you be taken for a thoughtful person if you can't read a post without reading extranneous lies into it.

Now while you seem to have chosen the right choice (for you that is), there is an even bigger question. Could you fault another for choosing one of the other solutions. Does it matter if the child would live under all three circumstances? Does it matter if no matter what you did he would die? What if he would only die if you didn't get him to the hospital right away? Could you still fault the person who would pray first, even if you didn't know he would live? Is the soul more important than the body? If so doesn't it make more sense to pray before calling 911? Which is more important to a christian, the body or the soul? So, how about it?

Sincerely,
Josh

Ugh... Anon

Please keep up, or in he alternative actually read my post. I did not presume you were christian, I simply started with it as a premise for a question. I know I didn't presume because I said "at least pretend." Honestly, how can you be taken for a thoughtful person if you can't read a post without reading extranneous lies into it.

Now while you seem to have chosen the right choice (for you that is), there is an even bigger question. Could you fault another for choosing one of the other solutions. Does it matter if the child would live under all three circumstances? Does it matter if no matter what you did he would die? What if he would only die if you didn't get him to the hospital right away? Could you still fault the person who would pray first, even if you didn't know he would live? Is the soul more important than the body? If so doesn't it make more sense to pray before calling 911? Which is more important to a christian, the body or the soul? So, how about it?

Sincerely,
Josh

Christ! "What if he would only die if you didn't get him to the hospital right away? Could you still fault the person who would pray first, even if you didn't know he would live? Is the soul more important than the body?"

You are kidding right? I take it you have no children. Only the mentally insane make any delay in getting a child to a hospital if that child is in a morbid state. Praying for a soul is like praying for rain - a complete waste of time. In the state of Oregon two parents were brought up on charges for letting their child die from an ear infection simply because they wanted prove to the world that they were parents so close to god that they didn't need medicine. Forget the fact that it was the child they sacrificed to prove they were better than the rest of us. You seem to argue in defense of such garbage. A soul? Like ghosts and aliens a figment of the uneducated mind! The parents got a good lawyer who got them off. I say their guilt is shared by all the fools in our society who advocate such garbage!

josh ol boy I really don't know what you are driving at or seeking.The first part of your post is so poorly writen so as to be unintelligible to read and comprehend. You can make up all the varying weird scenarios you want but you need to first have a little common sense to continue your sophmoric grilling.
Yeah like the guy (oh god blah -blah blah) said you must have never had kids and i would add you must have never had any common sense. I have tried to be polite and converse with you but my patience for your liberal foolishness is wearing thin. if you want answers that will enlighten you and educate you please at least make an attempt, as best as you capablities allow, to formulate and deliver coherent questions .

josh ol boy I really don't know what you are driving at or seeking.The first part of your post is so poorly writen so as to be unintelligible to read and comprehend. You can make up all the varying weird scenarios you want but you need to first have a little common sense to continue your sophmoric grilling.
Yeah like the guy (oh god blah -blah blah) said you must have never had kids and i would add you must have never had any common sense. I have tried to be polite and converse with you but my patience for your liberal foolishness is wearing thin. if you want answers that will enlighten you and educate you please at least make an attempt, as best as you capablities allow, to formulate and deliver coherent questions .

Anon

Don't get mad at me because you can't read. You were wrong about me presuming you were a christian and you know it.

Your argument suggesting the breakdown of complex situations into finite chunks of right and wrong is totally bogus. You can't even apply it to a simple situation and when you are asked to acknowledge the divergent consequences of your actions you start crying about the very complexity you asserted in the first place. Move on.

In short, you can't possibly have considered complex situations in the manner you suggest. You can't even apply it to a simple one.

Sincerely,
Josh