Interesting, Mr. Berwitz' observation on Democrats' hygienic habits vs. Republicans. He's not the only one to make such an observation; Tammy Bruce once did an op-ed piece somewhere called "The Increasingly Ugly Left," in which she came to conclusions along the same lines, about the correlation between personal hygiene and political affiliation/identification/whatever.

I think such dichotomies can also be gauged in preferences for British comedy shows; for example, would anyone know offhand what percentage of 'Democrats' (including OlbyLoons) prefer, say, "Monty Python's Flying Circus" (and their film spinoffs) over "The Benny Hill Show," and conversely the percentage of 'Republicans' who'd prefer Mr. Hill over the Oxbridge mafiosi (although it isn't unheard of for people to like both axis of humor - I've no beef with those). I know from my own experience, many "Python" fans (and Benny-haters), like OlbyLoons and the MoveOn.org crowd, consider themselves superior to others and think that if one doesn't "get" "Python's" humor, that he/she is somehow intellectually and morally inferior - almost exactly the way the "blue-state" crowd views "red-staters," the way the "secular-progressive" crowd views Christian evangelicals, and so forth.

And I can say, having seen the shows and read the scripts, that some "Python" sketches almost word-for-word, follow the current-day Democrat party line, especially as Olber-emphasized by Olber(the hill)mann; promoting the shirking of service to one's country a la John Murtha (the sketch where a young man tells a recruiting colonel that he's leaving the army "because it's dangerous"), debasing the family (the "Most Awful Family" sketch, the "Salvation Fuzz" sketch), attacking religion in general and Christianity in particular (the "Dirty Vicar," "Crackpot Religions" and other such sketches; not to mention "Life of Brian"), the glorification of the repulsive, deviant and degenerate (e.g. the aptly-named "Ken Shabby"), and so forth. And of course, Eric Idle's recent obscenity-laden screed (masquerading as a "song") against the FCC's crackdown on indecency, which has been championed by the nihilistic "free-speech" crowd (after all, it's one big 'F' bomb after another); and Terry Jones' Bush-bashing polemic "War on the War on Terror." (I'm not much of a Bush fan, but I don't harbor the 'so-much-hatred-that-I'll-take-the-enemy's-side' position, that is so common among the Left today.) Then there's the Pythons' combined educational background, which is not too dissimilar to those working in the 'MSM' today (Oxford and Cambridge in England are, in a way, among that country's equivalents of our Harvard, Yale, NYU, Columbia, Northwestern, Stanford, Bard et al).

P.S. I forgot to mention one other thing about "Python": Their painting conservatives and anti-Communists as deranged lunatics (the end of the "Bicycle Repairman" sketch where the announcer had a meltdown after noting that B.R.M. was out to fight Communism) and, conversely, their fawning over such Communist murderers as Che Guevara, Mao Tse-tung and V.I. Lenin (as in the "World Forum" sketch) - also, key talking points of the Left.

Surely you jest? My co author clear thinking? Impossible. Keith Olbermann is one of the very few liberal people on television who is allowed to say it like it is. I challenge you morons to come up with ONE even one lie that he has spewed. He spends quite a bit of time talking about Mr. Loofah OReilly and the errors in his way as well as Mr. Ailles and the other right handed low lives.

Keith is in fact the most honest and quite frankly I am surprised that the White House hasn't used it's influence to get him thrown off the air because he is so against all the wrong doings of this white house. I guess you think that David Kuo is a liar and that he thought he would make a few dollars selling a book. You probably think that about Paul O Neill, Richard Clarke and anyone else who doesn't agree with W.

Keith simply stands up to all of your right wing nuts. Again, I challenge you to come up with a single fact that he got wrong. I suppose you think it is both fair and honest for W to invite the right wing scum to the White House and even leave out conservatives who have turned on him. I look forward to the demonstrations at the White House lawn next week when Man Coulter, Sean Hannity and company appear as a courtesty to the almighty king George.

I don't think any liberal progressive democrats have tried to poison a reporter as your side did last week to Olbermann. Oh and by the way, please send me a list of which people on your side actually went to a school other than the Columbia School of Broadcasting. Who is a journalist? Keith is and has been for many years. Is Oreilly a journalist, ever left his studio other than to bop Andrea Loofah. Hannity, where did he go to school? He been in the service? Limbaugh, great background as well fired from 12 consecutive jobs including as a baseball annnouncer before his bull landed him on conservative radio. You guys have 10,000 stations we have less than 100. But Keith is gaining in audience while Fox is losing in every segment of the population. And after 20 more days, Fox will start drifting back to where it belongs...Off the air. They constantly, Mr. O and company complain about Air America. Fox tried to buy their way onto cable they paid the unbelievable sum of $10 per household to get onto cable. They lost over $100 million a year until
year 6. Now they are in year 10! Money can buy you anything so says the Republicans.

Even ugly fat Denny Hastert has a boyfriend who lives with him even when Denny's wife comes to visit. David Drier another anti gay gay. Mark Foley in my backyard, blames his pedophilla on alcohol which he has never ever been seen consuming. Keith is the man.

Hey Barry Dimrod go back to the liberal sewer from whence you came.

Well, according to Olberloon himself, I recall him claiming he is not a "Liberal". Sooo.
Kinda contradicts your little openning there.

O'reilly also went to Harvard and was a war journalist in South America.

Thank you, Mr. Berwitz!

What a treat!

I challenge you morons to come up with ONE even one lie that he has spewed.

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2006/10/countdown_with_142.html#more

serveral for your dissection.

I await your reply.

"But for Olbermann fans in particular, it may be that they consider themselves and their positions so superior to those who disagree with them that they curse uncontrollably when voters demonstrate a preference for such lower-quality views. Sociologists might tell you that people who suffer from this level of self-defined superiority consider themselves "olbermenschen"."

Janet,

Why didn't we think of this?

hey...I always liked Monty Python.......

speaking of partisan politics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWClB1snOG4

hey dave you want just one lie from olbermann? then i'll give you his biggest and all encompassing lie- He claims to be a "journalist" and he is no journalist. a real journalist covers all side of the story olbermann is just a cheerleader for secualar progresives.
he does not even know the first thing about jornalism. he is also a hypocrite .
you want more of olbemermann's lies Dave? just watch his "news" show any night to see the lies and bias.

You know what people --- If it is of any difference, Crooks and Liars.com recently put on what can be called a lie about the U.S.S. Eisenhower, stating that they were launching that vessel (and others) to be in place for Iran. After some easy searching, I found out that that was not true! That the U.S.S. Eisenhower was in fact headed for the Mediteranean, NOT THE GULF, thus hiding the truth that Iran can not really be a target! Especially not for the cities of Terhan and Persia. You can not complete any sort of opperation over the mountainous terrain from the Mediteranean!

Although, what Olbermann Watch.com did was equally bad in a different realm. Here, they conducted a poll begging the question "Is Keith Olbermann a misogynist?" And after a few days of 90% NO... they have not promptly taken the poll down because they DID NOT LIKE THE IMMEDIATE RESULTS!!!

SHAME! Shame on you Olbermann Watch.com! Shame on you Crooks and Liars.com. Shame on all of the nearsighted blogs that do not expect at least a few of their patrons to critically analyze and observe the truth from all angles. Not expecting them to do basic muckraking proceedures. Or not being savvy enough to realize that THE POLL IS DAYS OLD and that THE STORY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH IT EXPIRED IN RELEVANCE!

So I only have one dignified thing to ask of Olbermann Watch.com: Why do you take your viewers for granted? SHAME!

excellent post. don't expect a reponse though.

Bicker,

The poll is still open. You are welcome to vote.

I don't take down polls until I have a new question. And I have been busy and not really thought about a good new poll question.

When I get around to it I will take down the current poll.

BTW - do you think whether Keith is or is not a misogynist is being DETERMINED by this poll?

I predict a rush of 1500 votes for Olby in the next hour now.

No, I do not think that Keith's chauvenism will be discovered the poll... But for a while there was a 90%-80% 'No (Keith Olbermann is not a misogynist)' turnout for the poll, which really shows me the truth... then many days later the poll is still up? It sounds a little tricky, as though... you had expected a sure Yes as the response... then... there was defiance and you decided to keep up the poll until more people registered the 'Yes (Keith Olbermann is a misogynist)' response. That is a wrong thing to do, if you did what I think you did: Wait until the poll shows what you would like it to read. That would be missusage in a pretty wrong way, if true.

Sort of how there was a rush of votes within the course of about an hour which pushed the overwhelming YES vote at the time to an overwhelming NO? There was nothing WRONG in that? What? Upset you spent all that time spamming the poll for naught?

I challenge you morons to come up with ONE even one lie that he has spewed.

----------------------------------

Someone has never read this site.

Barry,

This is "Olbermann Watch" not "Hannity Watch" or "Coulter Watch" or "Limbaugh Watch".

Didn't your mother ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right. That you can find other people who you believe are wrong doesn't make Keith rigth I would also note that none of the people you mentioned claim to be JOURNALISTS.

As for pointing out Olbermann's long history of sloppy, fact-challenged "reporting", you can start be reading the FAQ for this site and then just keep reading OlbyWatch every day. We document Keith's lies and misinformation every day. And believe me, he does it so often that it's like shooting fish in a barrell.

I have no idea what Fox News financial results have to do with anything but putting up a new network is expensive. MSNBC spent a lot of money too. The difference is that Fox News provided interesting, entertaining and informative shows based on Ailes "America Talks" format - the same format he attempted to employ at MSNBC (he was turned down). MSNBC has been a revolving door with an identity crisis from day one. The results is that while Fox News is expanding, just closed a deal to triple the fee being paid by cable operators to carry the channel and is making record profits, MSNBC is being chopped up and redistributed like a stolen car.

I love my partner Barry. But when it comes to politics his head is so far up his ass that he could probably read his hat size through the ear canal.

Keith Olbermann is one of the only liberals on TV to be able to speak his mind????????????????

Does the name Chris Matthews ring a bell? Or Alan Colmes? Or Katie Carwreck (read her ratings and you'll understand that last name)? Or Tim Russett (unfortunately, sometimes he's a potato)? Or Lauer and Viera on Today? etc etc etc etc etc.

See, when you have a medium where the liberal/left absolutely dominates, some people eventually get the idea that liberal/left is somehow the coin of the realm, the centrist position. So anything more evenhanded is seen as "rightwing" by comparison.

Keith Olbermann is to evenhandedness what Helen Thomas is to the Miss Tean USA pagaent.

I look forward to coming to this site right after I watch Keith. Then I read the comments on the site and after I have gone to the bathroom to purge myself, I can always come back here to try to educate the helpless. Being that I am new to this site. Tell me are all of you Republicans? or is it simply not liking Keith? I am not sure what the purpose of this site is, Is it like the hate sites for Oreilly? Who are you? What the hell do you do? My interests are in our country the complete overtaking of it by this administration. I despise everyone in the administration for lies and lies and more lies. Keith is the only person that I can find on television who actually calls the President a LIAR. It is a word that even the Democrats won't use. And one of you geniuses even has it in for Professor Turley? What is that about? Do you doubt that he is one of the foremost constitutional authorities in the world? He totally non partisan, having chimed in on the Clinton impeachment hearings. History is history. It is not FOx news. In the 1930's Germany, they did the same exact as in exactly the same in giving the leader (Hitler) the right to do whatever he wanted to do to whom ever he wanted to do it too. And I think even you Olberman haters will agree it was a terrible mistake one of the worst in all of history. Tell me if you will what doesn't W have the right to do as you read this. He can do whatever he wants without permission until his own stacked Supreme Court makes a decision that what he has done is unconstitutional. They say Kennedy is the only swing vote left on this issue. So are you Hopelessly Partisan of Olbermann, the Republicans, the democrats or what? I can't figure out if you just don't like Olberman or if this includes all democrats, some democrats. Does this mean you love Hannity and Oreilly and Limbaugh. Are they mutually exclusive. What in the hell am I ready to fight against. I am ready to discuss anything with anyone but I need to know who the enemy is, much like we don't know who the enemy is in the war that we are fighting that is totally illegal. I see Keith as the only savior to the cause I fight for. The Truth and Facts. As a marketing researcher for 30+ years and a "semi famous" writer, you all know that in our new book my co author Ken Berwitz is a Republican from the great state of New Jersey, very very blue and I am from Palm Beach County Florida in the bluest county in a red state anywhere in the US. I was here for the 36 days of hell in 2000. Lies started right here and I even have the voting machine and the butterfly ballot in my bedroom so I can look at it and cry everyday. I was with Alan Dershowitz when he was going to call for a complete state "do over" but the Gore people decided not to do it because of the chaos it would cause for many days and weeks.
I did not agree with Gore at the time and surely didn't agree when the Supreme Court appointed W president. Another of the great lies that remain. They had NO authority to intervene in a state matter. Also, contrary to whatever you think whereever you are. They have never ever recounted ALL of the votes. Repeat, there has never ever been a complete recount of all of the votes. Many news organizations took a look at various "unofficial" tallies and came to different conclusions but never ever Official.

And Finally, in Ohio, exit poll surveys are 99.9% accurate. Because they are a true measure of actual voting. If you go back and look at exit poll results as far back as you can go you will see that they are 99.9% accurate and so with Kerry leading in exit polls in the morning,afternoon and evening up to midnight on election day, it is a statistical impossibility for the exit polls to have suddenly changed when the networks declared W the winner. Do you believe in the tooth fairy or Mark Foley or that Denny Hastert didn't know about it before. He has called his staff, the head of the pages, and the Mr. Boner! a liar. This from a fat ass who lives with a MALE friend and has his wife stay at a hotel. Call David Drier in California and ask him about is secretary who he pays $150,000 a year and lives with HIM for 12 years. Think he is straight? We have Charlie Crist here in Florida running of Jeb's spot as governor. He is 54, lives with his mother, never owned a home, never made more than $40,000 until he went into Politics was married 25 years ago, think he is straight. Think it matters if they are straight or not? I don't, just the fact of hypocrisy that they are anti gay and refuse to acknowledge it.

Ready willing and able to answer you questions.

But Keith is my hero!

Bush to Review Iraq Tactics With Generals

First great idea by President in six years. I suggest he changes tactics and resigns immediately and we will promise not to send all of his staff to jail

We will bring back Colin Powell, Richard Clarke and all the Generals who quit because he is a moron.

We will send Rummy to Abu Grab..

Bush to Review Iraq Tactics With Generals

First great idea by President in six years. I suggest he changes tactics and resigns immediately and we will promise not to send all of his staff to jail

We will bring back Colin Powell, Richard Clarke and all the Generals who quit because he is a moron.

We will send Rummy to Abu Grab..

Bush to Review Iraq Tactics With Generals

First great idea by President in six years. I suggest he changes tactics and resigns immediately and we will promise not to send all of his staff to jail

We will bring back Colin Powell, Richard Clarke and all the Generals who quit because he is a moron.

We will send Rummy to Abu Grab..

Mr. Cox ( Mark Foley loves your name)

The results is that while Fox News is expanding, just closed a deal to triple the fee being paid by cable operators to carry the channel and is making record profits, MSNBC is being chopped up and redistributed like a stolen car.

typical of a FOX FAUX FAN. Fox did an unprecedented deal to get on the air when not a single cable system wanted them. THEY PAID the cable operators up to $10 PER HOUSEHOLD 10 years ago. They have lost nearly a $billion dollars and have turned a profit for the last two years. Your "deal" that FOX made is a half truth. They did indeed make a deal. They wanted to go from
.05 per household to $1.00 per household that the cable systems pay them. The cable systems got them to compromise at .12 per household. Great deal for Fox.

The entire audience of FOX at anytime plus MSNBC and CNN does not equal any quarter hour of virtually anything on RADIO! Even Air America has 3,000,000 listeners to less than 500,000 on average for all three cable networks. I have the Neilsen data. ANd oh, what are we arguing about?
Are you Republican, Democrat, neither, both!

The fact remains that Olbermann is not doing a news show. He is doing an hour of male PMS directed against Bush, Republicans and (in my opinion) the security of the USA........without benefit of any opposing view. (Though olbermann obviously hates Bill O'Reilly, I do not include him here, because the only reason he attacks O'Reilly nightly is to get him to respond and thereby give olbermann some shred of equality with him. It hasn't worked yet, and I doubt that it will. O'Reilly is a big boy and doesn't need a turn in the sandbox).

It is a travesty that MSNBC allows something like this to air. Most media that claim to be neutral would never air this kind of a juvenile whine-fest.

I've always thought well of Dan Abrams. But he does his reputation no good by abetting this one-way street crap.

To Mr. Berwitz: I've noticed that Keith Olber-the-hill started doing his little end-of-episode "commentaries" (ahem) after Mr. Abrams (the son of "constitutional" attorney Floyd Abrams, B.T.W.) took over the roost as MSNBC (I always thought it the prelude to a Johnny Carson "Carnac the Magnificent" punchline, "How do you spell 'Ms. Nibbik'?"). And these "commentaries" do sound particularly petulant, if you were to ask me . . .

WB

I'm aware that Dan Abrams is the son of Floyd Abrams - and I admire both men. For this reason I have been more than a little troubled that olbermann does this kind of show under the Abrams aegis.

However, now that the parent company appears to be dismantling MSNBC - quite probably letting olbermann go in the process - we have to consider the possibility that this is what he was hired to do in the first place.

But until there is no more "down for the coun"...er, I mean "countdown", this is of course pure speculation.

Here is what the other side says about our friend Keith...Read it and weep
Well, HR-6166 "Military Commissions Act of 2006" has now given this administration the authority to do with US as they wish, when they wish... Your "Entitlements" guaranteed to US under our Constitution and Bill of Rights have been over written by this "New Law" and we as American Citizens can be "declared" Enemy Combatants for speaking the truth...Governor Huey Long said, "Fascism will come to this country and it will come disguised as Americanism".......What do ya' think???? Are we there yet???

from Sallie:

Olbermann's intention was to point his finger at the Bush administration and give us a trip through history to show us the past abuses of executive power, and that he did very well.

The Video was even better and the most important video ever:
Countdown Special Comment: Death of Habeas Corpus: "Your words are lies, Sir."
Video: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/OlbermannSpecialComment-RIPHabeus.wmv
HR-6166 - Disagree With Bush, Get Locked Up http://www.the600club.com/satanism.f_news_21090_0_collapsed_5__1.html
Source: Center for Constitutional Rights
ATTORNEYS FOR GUANTANAMO DETAINEES COULD BE DETAINED AS ENEMY COMBATANTS UNDER NEW LEGISLATION President Given Undue Power to Silence Critics
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=zQrItml3Gv&Content=845
HR - 6166 The ultimate insult to American, the ultimate reason by our government
Discussion about HR 6166: The ultimate insult to Americans, the ultimate treason ... according to the new American law HR 6166. Non-US military personnel now have more rights than US citizens! This is the ultimate slap in the face by our government to every soldier who has ever "fought the enemy for our freedoms" has been betrayed in a way that can hardly be described in words: the United States can call virtually "unlawful enemy combatant" and detain them indefinitely and/or kill them... www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread228711/pg

Certain members of Congress betrayed us and passed H R 6166
Source URL: http://tinyurl.com/yctzbp

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 219 7 5
Democratic 34 160 7
Independent 1
TOTALS 253 168 12

ATTORNEYS FOR GUANTANAMO DETAINEES COULD BE DETAINED AS ENEMY COMBATANTS UNDER NEW LEGISLATION President Given Undue Power to Silence Critics
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=zQrItml3Gv&Content=845

=============================================

Doesn't that contradict the fact that attorneys get assigned by a state, and if an attorney was ever jailed, then that would be in violation of the state's rights?

Response, please, Barry Sinrod. Appreciated, Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker]
:-)

Blame this on Keith's reports?
Updated:2006-10-20 17:33:27
Highlights of State Voting Problems
By DEBORAH HASTINGS
AP
(Oct. 20) - As the Nov. 7 election approaches, some states are still grappling with voting problems encountered during past elections. A breakdown, based on reports from Associated Press bureaus across the country:

ARIZONA

Controversy surrounds the voter-approved Proposition 200, which mandates that proof of citizenship be shown when registering to vote. Critics called the new law unconstitutional, saying it disenfranchised people who lacked the time, money and effort to obtain such documentation, most notably minorities and the elderly. This month, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals blocked it from taking effect for the November election. The state attorney general appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court , and on Friday the justices issued an order allowing Arizona to require photo IDs next month pending their review of the law's constitutionality.

FLORIDA

The state that was home to the hanging-chad debacle of 2000 has had relatively problem-free elections since then. In the September primary, some predominantly black precincts in Duval County ran out of Democratic ballots. Blaming the shortage on human error, county election officials promised the problem would not recur in the general election.

GEORGIA

Confusion is expected among voters and poll workers over a new voter identification law recently struck down as unconstitutional by a state judge. After that, the Georgia election board mailed 20,000 letters telling voters they had to bring a government-issued photo ID in order to cast their ballots. Paperless ballots, a contentious issue since Georgia became the first state to use such electronic technology in 2002, continues to be controversial and could prompt recount demands.

MARYLAND

The September primary was marred by human error and new electronically generated poll lists used to check in voters. In Baltimore, many poll workers failed to report to work, causing delays in opening precincts. Problems with the new poll lists caused voting machines to inexplicably reboot. Diebold, the machines' manufacturer, is installing software fixes. In Montgomery County, election officials forgot to include voter authorization cards in touch-screen machines, which wouldn't work without them. Voting was delayed while cards were delivered.

MISSOURI

Another state grappling with a new law requiring voters to present a government-issued photo identification. On Monday, the state Supreme Court struck down the law. As in Georgia, election officials worried voters would be confused. This year marks the first for many counties to use electronic voting equipment. In the August primary, a close finish prompted the loser to request a hand recount. The machines proved to be accurate, within about 150 votes. The outcome did not change.

OHIO

In the state's most populous county - Cuyahoga, home to Cleveland - results from the May primary were delayed for six days because some absentee ballots were improperly formatted; they could not be counted by optical scanners and instead had to be tallied by hand. Poll workers also reported problems operating touch-screen devices. The northern Ohio county also suffered severe problems with electronic machines in 2004, which caused long lines and hourslong waits. Nov. 7 will be the first general election in which voters must show a driver's license, state photo ID, military ID, utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check or other government document showing the voter's name and address. It's also the first general election where every precinct will use either touch-screens or electronically scanned paper ballots.

Associated Press staff writers Bob Christie, Ron Word, Barry Bedlan, Tom Stuckey, David Lieb and Connie Mabin contributed to this report.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
10/20/06 17:22 EDT

SALLIE; Don't believe Keith, well read on Sallie

From Today AP...

More legal limbo for accused terrorists

New law removes right to trial

By Matt Apuzzo
The Associated Press
Posted October 21 2006

WASHINGTON · Hundreds of detainees received notice from the Justice Department this week that because of a new law signed by President Bush the U.S. court system is no longer open to them.

Now it will be up to a federal appeals court, and ultimately the Supreme Court, to decide the fate of prisoners who have spent years arguing the government is illegally holding them at overseas military bases.

LocalLinks

A prisoner's right to challenge his detention is one of the basic tenets of the Constitution -- a right known as habeas corpus. Under the law signed Tuesday, however, the courts no longer have authority over such petitions in cases involving "enemy combatants."

The law gives the military the authority to decide whether to charge prisoners before special commissions or, if necessary, hold them indefinitely.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Friday that the new law gives more access to appeals "than has ever been available to any enemy combatant in the past."

But the habeas corpus exemption has drawn criticism from lawyers, civil rights groups and even members of Bush's own party, such as Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"Habeas protects against the executive taking a person and locking them up without a chance to prove their innocence," said Jonathan Hafetz, who handles many detainee cases for the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law. "Habeas is what stands between us and a system of secret detentions, a police state."

The Justice Department filed notices with several federal judges Wednesday, telling them the law renders detainee cases in their courts moot.

The judges probably will not rule on that issue, however, until an appeals court decides how to handle the law. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which was considering two detainee cases, ordered lawyers to make their case for what should happen next.

The three-member appeals court ordered a month of briefs on the law, which means a ruling will not come before late November or December, well after the Nov. 7 elections.

In 2000 Democrats screamed they were robbed because of hanging chads, and demanded voting machines. In 2004 they screamed they were robbed because of voting machines and demanded paper ballots. Now they're screaming that it's an outrage if voters are asked to prove they are who they are.

When Democrats stop screaming long enough to offer voters AN AGENDA of some kind, maybe this will change. Under their current leadership, I wonder if they can.

Exactly. Thus far what I've heard out of them is " but we're not the Republicans." Tell me what you are, not what you aren't and I might listen to you.

What we are is..... we are about to be the leaders of both houses of Congress and what you will become is the "hunted" A place that we have been trapped in since all of the Anti Clinton people spent $40 million for nothing! You guys have spent $300 billion and counting to kill our own people with nothing in return.

Mr. Berwitz, what you say about chads and votes and voting machines is all correct! Soon we will have the ability to ask the questions and show you the proof. Until now we can't even ask the questions due to the Republican strangehold.

And I was and am there. I saw the cheating in Florida. I saw the "fake floridians" flown on Ken Lay's plane to Miami and dressed like Miamians banging on the windows of the election headquarters to stop them from recounting the votes. And it is positively true that the votes in Florida for 2000 have NEVER EVER been officially recounted in total! And yes, in 2004 Mr. ROve did a masterful job as did Mr. Diebold who said on Sept 24, 2004 that he would "deliver Ohio for Bush" and that he did with his machinery
and Rove keeping people from voting in democratic places. They had 1 booth where they should have had 10 and they 10 where they should have had one.
Mr. Blackwell will face his time soon after he loses the election along with whinny Mr. Dewine.

You are allegedly as smart as I am. How can exit polls be wrong when the data are so strongly in place for one candidate and the actual data is opposite. Answer is: IT can't it is impossible. So that when Kerry is leading in Ohio by 4% at midnight on election day, he cannot possibly lose within the next hour. The exit polls were conducted throughout the day morning, afternoon and evening and conclusively gave it by a wide margin to Kerry.

Hope I am talking to myself or being ignored by the olbermann haters. But here are excerpts from a review of Mr. Olbermann and his book from one A.G. Gancarski Tallahassee Florida. I have shortened his review to include the points that I feel will be most effective on this board.

"Keith Olbermann, perhaps the best of all anchors at ESPN during the show's adolescence, has rapidly come INTO HIS OWN AS A HARD NEWS COMMENTATOR in his current gig hosting Countdown on MSNBC." "Olbermann's style- his career, really - has been characterized by an ability to ride the zeitgeist." "He understands instinctively how to generate topical controversy, and how to capitalize on it." "Essentially his book pummells Bill O Reilly and it abounds with jodes lifted from political blog wonkette.com." "Olbermann's energetic defense of war protester Cindy Sheehan is about as good as I've seen anywhere"."Likewise his exploration of how Homeland Security "terror alerts" coincided with troughs in presidential popularity was good for a few chuckles."

Funny thing, Barry; david duke supports cindy sheehan just as much as keith olbermann does. Did you know that?

And the reason he does is because of her ignorant, malevolent, idiotic comments about Iraq being invaded on behalf of Israel (if the USA invades and Israel supports them, you see, that must mean that Israel is orchestrating it.

Do you doubt me? Go to http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=350 and read duke's love song to sheehan for yourself.

Dear Ken, I had hoped to never hear, see or read the name of that piece of garbage masquerading as a human being, david duke, again.

Chubby Hubby and I having taken drunken (doesn't count) vows to move to Australia if edwin edwards was elected again we wound up campaigning and voting for him. Pulling that lever actually made both of us physically sick.

I see he is in good company now.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Oh no, now they're citing A.G. Gancarski. There's no way anyone can rebut the opinion of A.G. Gancarski. Once they play the A.G. Gancarski card, well, that settles everything. We all must now concede defeat, because it's impossible to argue against the brilliance of A.G. Gancarski.

Janet

David duke is a disgusting, sick, perverted racist sack of manure. Not surprisingly, therefore, olbermann never seems able to find a reason to proclaim him a worst person in the world. Add all the times this designation has been used for duke, bin laden, zawahiri, kim il jong, saddam hussein and fidel castro. You won't come near the number of times olbermann has invoked the name of Bill O'Reilly.

I think most people understand that this has little to do with olbermann's distaste for O'Reilly, though it certainly exists. This is a desperate attempt to draw O'Reilly into a pissing contest, and thereby gain an aura of equality with him. If you generate about one third of O'Reilly's audience, and usually are in third place out of four in your time slot, I guess this is what you're left with trying.

While I would lie to say I'm the world's biggest O'Reilly fan, I certainly admire his decision (so far) to not take the bait.

Nothing looks more pathetic than a little guy doing everything under the sun to get a reaction from the big guy, and then not getting it. And pathetic is olbermann's middle name

"Lies started right here and I even have the voting machine and the butterfly ballot in my bedroom so I can look at it and cry everyday."

Nice. Shame the butterfly ballot wasn't illegal (you might want to study FL electoral law).

"They have never ever recounted ALL of the votes. Repeat, there has never ever been a complete recount of all of the votes. Many news organizations took a look at various "unofficial" tallies and came to different conclusions but never ever Official."

Another person incapable of realizing that a BALLOT and a VOTE are not the same thing.

"And Finally, in Ohio, exit poll surveys are 99.9% accurate."

Not to nitpick your post too much --- but this is, you know, a total lie.

"If you go back and look at exit poll results as far back as you can go you will see that they are 99.9% accurate and so with Kerry leading in exit polls in the morning,afternoon and evening up to midnight on election day, it is a statistical impossibility for the exit polls to have suddenly changed when the networks declared W the winner."

Except that they oversample cities --- as they ALWAYS do.

"The entire audience of FOX at anytime plus MSNBC and CNN does not equal any quarter hour of virtually anything on RADIO! Even Air America has 3,000,000 listeners to less than 500,000 on average for all three cable networks. I have the Neilsen data."

Feel free to provide it.

"ATTORNEYS FOR GUANTANAMO DETAINEES COULD BE DETAINED AS ENEMY COMBATANTS UNDER NEW LEGISLATION President Given Undue Power to Silence Critics
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=zQrItml3Gv&Content=845"

Wow. That's some GOOD impartial analysis there.

"Controversy surrounds the voter-approved Proposition 200, which mandates that proof of citizenship be shown when registering to vote. Critics called the new law unconstitutional, saying it disenfranchised people who lacked the time, money and effort to obtain such documentation, most notably minorities and the elderly."

HOW DARE YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOU'RE A CITIZEN BEFORE YOU CAN VOTE!!!

"I saw the cheating in Florida. I saw the "fake floridians" flown on Ken Lay's plane to Miami and dressed like Miamians banging on the windows of the election headquarters to stop them from recounting the votes."

..."and then the meds kicked in."

"And yes, in 2004 Mr. ROve did a masterful job as did Mr. Diebold who said on Sept 24, 2004 that he would "deliver Ohio for Bush" and that he did with his machinery"

Yet the head of the election division was...a Democrat.

You're saying he went along with it?

Cute conspiracy theory.

"They had 1 booth where they should have had 10 and they 10 where they should have had one."

Level of control Bush or his people have over that? None. Thank you.

"You are allegedly as smart as I am. How can exit polls be wrong when the data are so strongly in place for one candidate and the actual data is opposite. Answer is: IT can't it is impossible. So that when Kerry is leading in Ohio by 4% at midnight on election day, he cannot possibly lose within the next hour."

Seeing as how polls are irrelevant and votes are what counts, your argument is...what?

Hey, the polls said Clinton would beat Dole by 20. He only won by 7. That is being wrong by a factor of NEARLY 300%.

Amazing that you'll destroy the system because you don't win.

""Keith Olbermann, perhaps the best of all anchors at ESPN during the show's adolescence, has rapidly come INTO HIS OWN AS A HARD NEWS COMMENTATOR in his current gig hosting Countdown on MSNBC."

BWA HA HA HA!

Good one.

Out of curiosity, who the hell is Gancarski?
-=Mike

Listen up Republicans. Read and watch the following and then tell me that you are still are going to vote Republican. They are more than disgraceful.

Republicans. There are so many things wrong with this administration starting with the lies and lies. But put those aside for now and watch this video ad.

The Bush Administration does not believe in Science. They have killed off the hope of millions because of the stance on Stem Cell Research even though the house and the Senate approved it. W used his only VETO in six years to destroy the hope of my 6 year old granddaughter (she has juvenile diabetes...it can't be cured and she must suffer through it for the rest of her life) and my wife (recently diagnosed with Parkinson's disease) will only get worse.

If you can rely on the Republicans after you spend 30 seconds watching this. Then you deserve whatever life brings to you regarding your health and that of your loved ones.

If it doesn't bring you to tears you are simply just like the administration, destroying America.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

barry sinrod,

If you'll do some research you'll read that it's Adult Stem Cell research that is showing the most potential of late. To the tune...that it is most popular with private investors who seek more proof than hyperbolic claims when it comes to putting their money on the line.

Embryonic Stem Cell Research continues to be legal, research within designated stem cell lines is federally funded, it continues to be funded privately and state govts can fund it (not without public controversy but that's what a free country is all about...)

ESC research has set-backs of late, with false findings scandals and significant problems with cell stability.

ASC research offers much potential, without the very valid ethical questions inherent in the issue that make public policy far more complex than those who make essentially unfounded claims of ESC potential deign to recognize.

Here's a piece from Time.com Europe Edition.

Embryonic Stem Cell research continues to be very controversial in many european countries, though the EU funds it.

In this article an expert admits that it's Adult Stems Cells that have offered the most intriguing results of late. Again, this comes within research parameters in europe that are unrestricted.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901061009-1539177,00.html

"The Bush Administration does not believe in Science. They have killed off the hope of millions because of the stance on Stem Cell Research even though the house and the Senate approved it."

He's also the first President to approve funding of it.

Meanwhile, that fundamentalist whackjob Bill Clinton opposed it ENTIRELY.

"W used his only VETO in six years to destroy the hope of my 6 year old granddaughter (she has juvenile diabetes...it can't be cured and she must suffer through it for the rest of her life) and my wife (recently diagnosed with Parkinson's disease) will only get worse."

Yup. Bush hates your family. The truth is out there.

Ignoring that the volume of "cures" from fetal stem cell research is pretty much non-existant.

And legal.

Hint: If it were as promising as you think, biomed companies would be falling over themselves to pay for it.

"If you can rely on the Republicans after you spend 30 seconds watching this. Then you deserve whatever life brings to you regarding your health and that of your loved ones."

Wow, aren't you the little humanitarian?

Do you ever tire of melodrama?
-=Mike

"The Bush Administration does not believe in Science. They have killed off the hope of millions because of the stance on Stem Cell Research even though the house and the Senate approved it."

He's also the first President to approve funding of it.

Meanwhile, that fundamentalist whackjob Bill Clinton opposed it ENTIRELY.

"W used his only VETO in six years to destroy the hope of my 6 year old granddaughter (she has juvenile diabetes...it can't be cured and she must suffer through it for the rest of her life) and my wife (recently diagnosed with Parkinson's disease) will only get worse."

Yup. Bush hates your family. The truth is out there.

Ignoring that the volume of "cures" from fetal stem cell research is pretty much non-existant.

And legal.

Hint: If it were as promising as you think, biomed companies would be falling over themselves to pay for it.

"If you can rely on the Republicans after you spend 30 seconds watching this. Then you deserve whatever life brings to you regarding your health and that of your loved ones."

Wow, aren't you the little humanitarian?

Do you ever tire of melodrama?
-=Mike

Barry Sinod, I'm very sorry that you and your family have and will continue to suffer through these illnesses.

My husband developed diabetes and quickly progressed to insulin dependence and was unable to control his condition. He died from complications of his diabetes. I haven't had any personal experience with Parkinsons, but I am certain it is a heavy blow to you and wife.

There isn't an adult in this world who hasn't faced horrors. I could see your troubles and maybe raise you a few. And I am sure that they have cried a river just like I have. And as you have and will continue to do.

I'm sorry, but just like you and your family have done nothing to 'deserve' these illnesses, neither have others.

If you had blurted out such sentiments in a moment of newness and extreme stress I would ignore it. But you have obviously not blurted your post and reference to you tube.

The prospect of stem cell research results may well be incontrovertible in the world of political oneliners and bromides. But science and research can never be that certain this early in the game. In fact there is much to suggest that it has been overhyped.

The legislation that you speak of limits federal funding, not private research. If this turns out to be as promising as some believe, the private sector will step in to reap the rewards.

I think you and your family should support the course that you believe is right. But I refuse to accept the specious load of guilt you feel compelled to heap on me (and that includes my husband) because of your pain.

I hope you rethink this position and realize that your pain won't be alleviated by wishing or revelling in other's pain.

The best to you and yours.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Let me second what Mike posted earlier.

President Bush supports and funds stem cell research except when it involves new embryonic lines. That type of research, however, is being done by private concerns and neither the president nor his administration is in any way preventing it.

Given the newness of this science, Bill Clinton was the only other president who could have funded stem cell research. He didn't. Not one red cent. Not for existing OR new lines.

The claim that "Bush banned stem cell research" which has been parrotted for years, is a lie. Period.

Given the newness of this science, Bill Clinton was the only other president who could have funded stem cell research. He didn't. Not one red cent. Not for existing OR new lines.

=========================================

Michael J. Foxx admitted to having parkinson's disease in 1998. How could Michael J. Fox be indirectly putting Clinton on a pedestal if he was only willing to counter Parkinson's disease nowadays --- not asking for funding from 1992 on?!?

I think this gets to the heart of the matter... that this is not about politics, but actually about curing the disease. None of you see that Foxx's inspirational ad as that. Rsh Limbaugh did not, and it shows. It shows that you do not want to ad to this very important discussion --- just create further dismissive rhetoric about Clinton or slander Michael J. Foxx's hardships.

Shame on Rush Limbaugh and his defenders. Rather than working towards oppurtunity, they would rather be vitriolic and cruel, affraid of those that have straightforward viewpoints of this nature that they do not agre with. This is what the left-of-center mean when they cite conservatives as being noise machines that are more willing to further their political campaigns rather than stripping the skin of the orange and just go for the steam cell research option.

Support the cure --- be apart of something greater than yourselves... rather than guillessly opting toward what partisans that do not really want to do anything more than point figures and name call. If steam cell research is continued, whether succesfull or marginal, we have even more information in this struggle between distress and success of neurological disorders, and we can all strive on brotherly.

No one is saying stem cell research should be discontinued. That is a red herring, though one that you seem to sincerely believe.

Stop and think: If Michael J. Fox acknowledged that he had Parkinson's in 1998 (and presumably knew he had it for a period of time beforehand), why did he not petition the Clinton administration to fund stem cell research?

If you demand funding for stem cell research, you are for that research. If you do not demand funding for stem cell research from one party but do so from another, you are less for the research and more against the party you are making the demand of.

Sadly, this is not about stem cell research, it is about politics.

I remind you again - Clinton did not fund any stem cell research. Bush did.

Oh to have a blog, you have made the most sophistic argument on embryonic stem cell research and the reasons why some support the president's position on it that I have seen in quite a while.

===============
.....I think this gets to the heart of the matter... that this is not about politics, but actually about curing the disease.....just create further dismissive rhetoric about Clinton or slander Michael J. Foxx's hardships.......Shame on Rush Limbaugh and his defenders. Rather than working towards oppurtunity, they would rather be vitriolic and cruel, affraid of those that have straightforward viewpoints of this nature that they do not agre with.
===============

According to you A POLITICAL AD is not a political move. And us mean republicans are THE ONES USING POLITICS to smear Clinton and rejoice in Michael Fox's illness and suffering.

Regarding those 'straight forward' views. The ad is riddled with inaccuracies, false implications and a blatant appeal to maudlin emotion.

=====================
Support the cure.....rather than guillessly opting toward what partisans that do not really want to do anything more than point figures and name call.
====================

You got me there. As a conservative I took a vow to oppose everything that benefits widows and orphans, the sick, the poor, the hungry, the naked and all the downtrodden of the world. If you really believe what you said, I suggest you might need a few good stem cell treatments for your brain.

====================
.....If steam cell research is continued, whether succesfull or marginal,.......and we can all strive on brotherly.
===================

You really want to approach this from the view that it might not be worth the powder to blow it to hell, but we sure will feel good about ourselves. And if money spent elsewhere could have reached solutions if only we had funded it, oh well, we still feel good.

You know, Oh if, you have aptly named yourself. 'Oh if' we screwed up and missed our chance to conquer these illnesses, thats OK. Because I am elated and morally superior because I CARE.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

You know, Oh if, you have aptly named yourself. 'Oh if' we screwed up and missed our chance to conquer these illnesses, thats OK. Because I am elated and morally superior because I CARE.

=============================================

Very good "Grammie". Your return post was indeed good at distorting what I meant.

Paragraph 2 meant: Michael J. Foxx had a political ad supporting steam cell research. Rush Limbaugh demeaned him. Michael J. Fox may have been using "politics" to effect a political campaign, however, I really think that he meant every word of what he said. >>>Rush Limbaugh was the one using politics to smear

Paragraph 4 means: You missed an important part of my paragraph:"... whether succesfull or marginal, we have even more information in this struggle between distress and success of neurological disorders."

=============================================

"You know, Oh if, you have aptly named yourself. 'Oh if' we screwed up and missed our chance to conquer these illnesses, thats OK. Because I am elated and morally superior because I CARE.

=============================================

Not true. I am elated and morally superior not simply because "I CARE", but because I actually want to stop genetic diseases and cure ailments.

The other post: Clinton may not have given money to steam cell research (in the days that it was beginning), but I just do not think that George W. Bush's goals include steam cell research, at this time... Nope... not the most ambitious in this field.

Wake up this administration has had 6 years in office. I will not address anything that is ancient history before 2000. It has nothing to do with TODAY. TOday is today not yesterday.

Private funding for Stem Cell Research continues and will continue. How can any of you justify what W did. He went against the entire congress and the senate and public opinion and issued a veto. His only veto. He had the nerve to have 140 snowflake families at the white house when he vetoed the bill. This was 140 families out of 400,000 embryo's that lay dormant and that will be destroyed. Disgusting for him to bring these people and forget about the 400,000 that could save lives. Any of you out there who don't believe in the possiblity of helping people are just plain ignorant as the president is. He does not believe in Science. He had a 24 yr old head the department that measured and reported on Global Warming and he had that kid doctor the reports by world class scientists until he was caught and thrown to the wolves. Add to this the despicable Rush Limbaugh and it is ingredients for living birth defects. Limbaugh doesn't deserve an iota of even a mention. He has abused people and drugs for so many years and lives down the street from me in a $25 million home with not a soul to be with. All of his wives have left him. All he has is his "drug buying maid". He has less than zero talent and he has the nerve to say that MJ Fox was "acting" People with Parkinson's do just what MJ did on tv. The idea of the ad was to show what happens to people as they get worse and die. He wanted to appear as he is in "real life" not hollywood life. Here in Florida we are fast becoming the BIO capital of the US with the acquistion of Scripps from California. Yet another Bush JEB and his crew have tried to screw up the deal every possible way by not allowing stem cell research even at the private laboratory by holding up tax breaks for the company. I have given $10,000 and I have pledged $5000 more from my new book and a portion of the proceeds to Stanford and Harvard. I know about the illness and other incurable illnesses. I have it in my own family. And I know about stem cell research and what it means. And I resented those 140 snowflake people who were duped into appearing with W. I have 2 adopted children.. Adopted at birth just when abortion became legal. Abortion is the right of the women and even though we were so very fortunate to adopt healthy children because a woman chose not to abort, I still applaud their right to do as they wish. Now my adopted children are over 40 years old and my other biological child has adopted two children. I won't stand by and listen to the BS from the Olbermann haters or anyone. We must have stem cell research, we must get rid of this administration and put them all on trial for only 300 or so offenses.

Here is wishing you a happy and healthy day.

Oh if only, your respone to me that I distorted your words wouldn't pass muster with a deconstructionist.
Your 'revise and extend' is no more accurate or persuasive than your original remarks.

Shall we start at the beginning?

You now state that M J Fox was political but sincere. However, the political response from Rush and his defenders were only using politics to smear. No sincerity from that side. To disagree with you and M J Fox on the mechanics and ethical concerns of how to solve a problem is de facto proof of WHAT? That we disagree on this proves that I am WHAT? Either one of us might be correct. We can only proceed on our best judgment. That does not me or others who share my viewpoint evil, nor does it make you good.

In regards to this part of your statement that you restated, I simply don't understand what you are trying to say:
=======================
whether succesfull or marginal, we have even more information in this struggle between distress and success of neurological disorders."
=======================

You stated I missed the point on this and then proceeded to cut and paste it. I didn't have a clue what you meant the first time out, and repeating it didn't clarify your meaning. You surely recall I didn't include this in my response.

Now, on to the last point I made that you took exception to. You maintain that you are morally superior and elated because

======================
I am elated and morally superior not simply because "I CARE", but because I actually want to 'STOP GENECTIC DISEASES AND CURE AILMENTS'.
======================
Oh if, you and your cohorts are super human. We ordinary humans have no desire to improve mankind's lot. It never ocurred to me that these horrible things could impact us. You have removed the scales from my eyes.

What UNMITIGATING GALL and HUBRIS you so proudly display.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

How did this evolve into a stem cell debate?

No one here is against stem cell research. Not one person. The issue is EMBRYONIC stem cell research, which is just one part of the overall effort -- and from what I've read recently, not necessarily even the most promising part.

It is unfair to tar people who are against embryonic stem cell research with being against all such research or being inhumane/against curing debilitating conditions/etc. That is not true.

The fact remains that President Bush is the one and only president who ever put any federal funds towards stem cell research. And he has banned no one from researching stem cells, including embryonic stem cells. Every company and every university engaged in this effort remains perfectly free to do so

"I have 2 adopted children.. Adopted at birth just when abortion became legal. Abortion is the right of the women and even though we were so very fortunate to adopt healthy children because a woman chose not to abort, I still applaud their right to do as they wish."

Things have really gotten weird in liberaldom when you must issue a fealty oath to choice simply for mentioning the fact that your children were available for you to adopt.

Back on subject. Why do you people not like Keith? Is there anyone else on OUR side that gets to talk badly about the administration that is the worst of the worst. Did you see anyone else tell the TRUTH about stay the course. Tony Snowballs, said they went back and found he said it only 8 times as if 8 times in not a great many times to say it. Then Keith showed that he said it more than 25 times and about 20 of those were in the past 12 weeks. Keith is not like the morons on Fox or Rush. He doesn't get marching orders from the White House. He says it like it is and tells the truth. His guests are "real" people that we actually know. Fox can't get real people because they know that the network only does faux news. They should be switched to Comedy Central who do a better job with fake news than does fox. Ok, tell me why do you guys hate Keith.

BULLETIN! Our famousness is spreading world wide

Ken and I have been invited to appear on CNN International which reaches more than 100 countries world wide. We are taping it on Friday Night. This is super terrific, with one little problem. We have to make them laugh, chuckle, guffaw, smirk, love America in order for them to show it in the USA. Otherwise, we will be seen by Americans living overseas only. Pray for us.

Bsinrod, methinks you have confused fame with notoriety.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Living in Spin | The 'Stay the Course' Game

Tony Snow said the president has only used the phrase, "Stay the course." eight times. According to the video below, that's woefully inaccurate. How many times do you think he said it? Put your guess in the comments. Then, click on the video to see. Listen, don't cheat. It's unbecoming and will make dogs chase you.

Remember: first, you guess; then, you watch video -- by clicking on the photo below.

Good luck!

From AOL...... 25+ times. from Keith Olbermann

BSinrod writes:

"Back on subject. Why do you people not like Keith? Is there anyone else on OUR side that gets to talk badly about the administration that is the worst of the worst. Did you see anyone else tell the TRUTH about stay the course. Tony Snowballs, said they went back and found he said it only 8 times as if 8 times in not a great many times to say it."

Oh, I don't know... it's the little things that cause us to dislike Keith...

I suppose we can start with the way you've framed things up here. Now, I expect you to be fairly silly, illogical, hyperbolic, and ideological to the point of being completely oblivious to the fact that your own assumptions are your own assumptions. So far you haven't shown the slightest inclination to disappoint...

I expect someone who works for the Administration....say....Tony Snowballs.... to pretty much be on the side of the Administration... however, I have other expectations for those people who are given MSNBC news shows. When the left characterizes them as being on "our side" and as being the last best hope of a national tv program that can "talk bad" about the Bush Administration, I'm pretty sure that what we have is the cable equivalent of conservative talk radio. The fact that the program is loudly advertised as the "future of television news" makes things even more dismaying.

So the future of news is partisan infotainment-- a combination of the Daily Show, nightly news, the Today Show, and Crossfire with only James Carville as anchorman and not that pesky Tucker Carlson or Bob Novak or any conservative guest or White House spokesman who could possibly air a counter view. The future of telesion news is an anchorman interviewing that highest of all castes---other television journalists and pretty much arriving at all the same conclusions...

To that lovely scenario add the fact that our wonderful anchorman, the future of television news, routinely engages in the behavior he criticises, as though this behavior is fine as long as it's being done by someone with his politics. He uses his show as his own personal playpen and he constantly accuses his chief competition of behaving precisely as this anchorman behaves, only the shows on that other network actually beam the sweet faces of angelic Democrats into America's dens.

So since I'm pretty familiar with the Barry Sinrod, hopeless partisans of the world... I think ....oh great....here we have THEIR sort of fairness.... their sort of balance....their sort of concern and respect for my views.... We have YOUR assumption that your assumptions are the bread and butter truth of the universe and the arrogant elitist mindset that the airing of other views or perspectives is tantamount to selling out to some robber baron Sam Walton and to preaching that the earth is flat. We have the perspective that the evil that lurks in all men's hearts is only significant if they are pols with (R) printed after their name...

In other words we have Keith Olbermann-- the future of television news.

I have seen the future and we need Olbermann Watch. Long may it give a venue to the Barry Sinrods of the world. Long may CNN, for that matter. Meanwhile, we work for the day when the future of televison news feels it's in his best interest to invite Ken Berwitz on his show.

Oh, to have a Blog's Guide to Olbermann Watch commentors.

1. "Embryonic" Stem Cell Research:

A) George Walker Bush does not support embryonic steam cell research. The money "trickles down" from private interests, which is as steady as in the rest of the economy, was vetoed --- the president's first, and is not government funded.

B) Besides embryonic stem cell research, there is blasophyst stem cell research where the blasophyst gets taken out of one of 180 surrogate mothers each, all in a pre-fetal form, although after an inception. The harvest goes on from here to study the blasopyst and extract further cell creating parts. This also infuriates the right. There is not much more fetal tissue research that does not rally the right.

2. Keith Olbermann's slanted news show:
Jealousy.

3. The Conservative Blogosphere:
More jealousy. This envy is more fluid and spread out, with complaints ranging from totally anxious fury with the left, to those that still want to straddle the fence from time to time and play the "Where's Hillary" game.

4. Flag Burning, Gay Marriage, & English Anthem amendments:
Right wingers with too much time on their hands. Liberals, being the smart and self-righteous --- not 'others-righteous' actually contemplate doing realistic amendments and clauses.

5. "The Economy is Great".
A) Yeah, the economy is great. Greatly deteriorating. What with all of the credit card debt, a market place so crowded that the money that the overwhelming amount of pizza parlors, vending machines, mom & pop stores, & entertainment outlets will continue a decay pattern, and overtechnologization replacing factory jobs (remeber that, Conservatives?) will eventually turn this into a sour nation fiscally.

B) "Trickle Down" economic paradigms do not work. When you have a whole bunch of different stories of a career, the amount of money that trick's down become very small, not enough for the blue collar worker to make it on their own even with multiple jobs. Not to mention the way these corporations save & lay-off.

6. Conservative Attitudes:
This is where we agree. Liberals have an attitude, as well. There attitudes are of love, equality, empathy, compassion, and thoughtfullness. The conservatives? They are interested in banning things. (See areas 1 a&b,4,7,8)

7."Illegal" Immigration:
For some reason, a person from another nation can not cross the border to meet a friend. When even mentioned, they bring up such posetive things as prison population, over population, the decline of American culture, & rhetoric.

8. Might as well bring up ethnicity:

A)"Immigrants have greatly contributed to the american way of life..." Then come a flood of reasons where they can not keep their own used language, culture, and identity.

B)Don't even bring up Telemundo or Univision.

9. Minutia:
What would Olbermann Watch.com be like w/o it?!?!

10. Religion:
I am all for religion. Just do not bring it into general politics!!! A realm composed of many different viewpoints and different beliefs!!! Is that too much to ask?!?

Bonus. Spin:
Most of what I have noticed about how the left is talked about by the right is just that. Advantageous right wingers have taken an innocent party, that did nothing that no other party regularly does on their own basis' and equivolence, and smeared the daylights out of them. What was concern became "bleeding heart", what was viewpoints, became "whining", what was freedom became intimidation, what was oversight became tyranny, what was foresight became hopelessness or negativity, what was love, became fervor, what was neighboliness became intrusion, what was uniquity became alienation, and what was "Pray in private" - Jesus became prayer in school.

Believe me conservatives, If you want to win, everything, fight fair --- don't change the rules.

oh

Jealousy over Keith Olbermann's show? This has to be part of a standup routine, right?

Olbermann, after 3 1/2 years on the air, has managed to attain the exalted status of #3 in the cable ratings - sometimes #4.

Bill O'Reilly, whom Olbermann obsessively envies, regularly generates over triple Olbermann's audience. And he does it by presenting both sides, something Olbermann avoids like Dracula avoids the cross.

This is before we get to the terminally angry, bitter, negative, nihilistic tone of every Olbermann show.

There are a lot of words to describe reactions to Keith Olbermann, but jealousy isn't one of them.

There are a lot of words to describe reactions to Keith Olbermann, but jealousy isn't one of them.

Posted by: Ken Berwitz at October 27, 2006 09:07 AM

I have one. Thankfulness.

ScreamThyLastScream writes:

"There are a lot of words to describe reactions to Keith Olbermann, but jealousy isn't one of them.

Posted by: Ken Berwitz at October 27, 2006 09:07 AM

I have one. Thankfulness."

I have some more:

Leftwing thankfulness...

(So MSNBC, let's bill Olbermann as the future of leftwing news shows...)

Keith is respected by nearly everyone in the Journalistic community. What have you to say as to respect and understanding for any of your guys. Hannity? O Reilly...Mr. Bonehead as Dave Letterman called him last night.. Limbaugh...Should be fried in hot oil.

Sticks and stones. And it only matters at the end of the game. O reilly will burn himself out and Keith will be with us for so long that we will forget Fox and all the others. He speaks the truth and sense. So, what is the point of this site? Please please please answer me. Why are you so much against Keith. What did or does he do that is not the truth. It is true that he has guests from every major news media outlet, there must be a reason for that? O Reilly and Fox never get well known people from any field. They get the second or third stringers. No Democrats, no NY Times, no Newsweek, Time you name it. He gets the likes of Dick Morris who is a pissy little girl and Ann the man Coulter who is the reason we have the C word in the english language.

bsinrod writes:

"Sticks and stones. And it only matters at the end of the game. O reilly will burn himself out and Keith will be with us for so long that we will forget Fox and all the others. He speaks the truth and sense. So, what is the point of this site? Please please please answer me. Why are you so much against Keith. What did or does he do that is not the truth."

See what I mean.

It's like no one has typed a thing thus far.

It's a complete intellectual insularity.

Why not go after Joe the scumbag Scarborough. He is far worse than anything Keith could ever do.
Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

bsinrod, are you suggesting that Joe Scarborough is or has been under suspicion for murdering an intern that he had an affair with? And additionally instituted a cover up by using his power to force another government official to join? I will freely admit that for the last fifteen years I've been unable to follow current events on many occasions. And several times it extended into months and months.

But I have trouble believing that I missed something like this.

Sorry, bsinrod, you've only got a onefer here. I will, however, respond to one point you make. The powerful 'journalist' :D KO is so weak at his own network that he couldn't prevent them from hiring a Joe Scarborough. That 'desevedly well renowned journalist' :D :D should have threatened to resign before placing himself in a position of being tainted by that 'scumbag' Scarborough. The Edward R Murrow of our generation would have been in a SELLERS MARKET extraodinaire.

And to think he passed up a chance, nay a certainty, of being the 'even better jounalist than Edward R Murrow ever was' for our time and centuries into the future. No wonder he seems so angry and unhappy.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie