Johnny,

I love Mark Levin, but he is dangerous when the pauses and breaks are edited out and he is concentrated into pure form. It's like drinking pure alcohol or eating spoonfulls of butter. The energy of that segment almost made my head explode.

Mark Levin,, just another rightwing hack who decided to get more extremem so he could be syndicated across the nation. It is amazing what these whores will do to spread their stupidity. It is too bad his relatives made it out of Germany in the 1940's.

Keith is comfortably in last place. Ahhh, home sweet home.

Mark Levin,, just another rightwing hack who decided to get more extremem so he could be syndicated across the nation. It is amazing what these whores will do to spread their stupidity. It is too bad his relatives made it out of Germany in the 1940's.

Gee, Billy, do you think maybe you are a racist?

O'Lamely,

Sorry, but Levin is correct, and he is fed up, not "extreme." If extremism resulted in syndication, your beloved Airhead America freaks would all be doing fabulously, instead of begging for street change.

Whatever you do, don't listen to Levin or, God forbid, address that of which he speaks. Just continue to SPAM the site with dopey one-liners. You serve a vital purpose here, although it is not the one you imagine.

Instead of emulating Olbermann with anti-Semitic insults, Lielly, why don't you address the substance of what he says? Is he correct about the law? If not, cite where he is wrong. Oh wait, that requires thought. Never mind.

I am supposed to respond to something from NR ? I honestly do not give a flying crap about KO as I have said before, I just find it so humorous that people would spend time in their day to complain about someone when they constantly site his poor ratings and lacklustre book sales for a collection of worthless bits he has done for the last three years. It is just that you folks know that KO is making an impact and your days or error are rapidly dwindling... the grim reaper is but three weeks away... look out the sickle is going to get you one by one.

Look, read the bill. Mr. Olbermann is just flat out 100% wrong.

Link to the actual bill:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf

See Section 7 for the details.

Habeas corpus rights are not taken away from Americans in any manner. Habeas rights are limited if one is an alien - ALIEN - combatant.

SMG

You serve a vital purpose here, although it is not the one you imagine.

Posted by: KfK at October 18, 2006 12:22 PM

And what purpose are you serving? To sharpen your skills of deflecting any truth about trading your soul and rights as an American for political clout? To stomp on your fellow Americans opinions about having their country ruled by a leader who once said, "it would be easier if this was a dictatorship, so long as I am the dictator"? To make Keith Olbermann look like a boob so you can dismiss him out right? To better serve "The Decider" by bringing to attention a media personality's defects while ignoring your own super heroes many faults?

Wow O'Lielly: a Godwin violation by the 2nd comment. That just might be a record.

Will Keith Olbermann allow someone to rebut his Special Comment regarding the military tribunals act?

Please, Mr. Olbermann, allow debate!

Hey O'Lamely, I seem to see YOU here everyday complaining.

Mark Levin! That guy is hilarious. Good stuff.

Poor ratings? Lackluster book sales? Worlthless bits? Oh, but he's making and impact!! Not really, but even small flies like Olbermann need to be swatted if they lie and spread propaganda.

I know the Olbyloons are deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid, but why is it that they can't seem to see that there is a oh-so-predictable pattern to these "special comments". If Olby's ratings dip down into the #4 region: it's time for a special comment. If there's bad news about his personal life: time for another special comment. Book sales dipping? Special comment time everybody! Really, how on earth can they possibly support this idiot who is so obviously using these "special comments" to either get negative attention off of himself or to pimp his ratings and book? How they think he walks on water is beyond me.

Dave,.. really then how do you account for an approval rating of 35 %

really then how do you account for an approval rating of 35 %

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at October 18, 2006 01:28 PM

There are some serious examples of what it is to live in complete denial of truth here. Some people still think that the country, or at least a good portion of the country haven't had enough already of lies and wars and irational talk from the propoganda radio and tv hosts that get invited to the whitehouse for some "straighten up and fly right talk".

O'libel, who has a 35% approval rating??

Dave. our pathetic thief in charge... oh wait is it down to 34 %,,,, hold on new scandal coming in... 33 %

As a Jew I find Bill Olielly's remarks about Levins kin patently offensive.

"It is too bad his relatives made it out of Germany in the 1940's."

He is getting more and more extreme in his "talking points". Maybe desperation is setting in?

Bill, combined with your wish for Levin above, and this comment from Tuesday's Countdown recap thread:

I would like Michael Medved to be thought of in the same vein as Alan Berg.

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at October 17, 2006 08:14 PM

You seem to have a bix of a fixation on murdered/murdering Jews. Not a trait I beleive Keith would want his most rabid fans to be exhibiting in public (though you might be able to redeem yourself by saying you're simply hoping for the murder of all alleged neo-cons, no matter what their religious denomination).

Where did you get you poll numbers O'libel? I'll start payin attention to polls when they actually become relevant. They did a great job predicting the 04' elections!!

Nah... Itr has nothing to do with being Jewish. I hate people who do not understand what would be done to Jews if this country continues towards theocracy. I wonder why Jews have anything but utter disdain for people who think that they are not worthy of Heaven because they do not believe the bullshit about Jesus being the son of god. When Levin, Medved, Prager spew that nonsense they are making things more difficult for jews who happen to see things in the correct way. Any jew who is not liberal or at least moderate is just kidding themselves. Oh,, and Alan Berg was not a conservative jew, that is why he was killed by a neo nazi jesus freak.

Where did you get your poll numbers O'libel? I'll start payin attention to polls when they actually become relevant. They did a great job predicting the 04' elections!!

No question OLielly is anti-Jewish,,,,,,,there is no justification for those remarks,,,ever. Unless , of course, the person saying them is filled with hate against Jews.
But we are to believe liberals are "compassionate", "understanding" etc etc.

Next we'll hear how he contributes to Israel...lmao...Israels demise perhaps.

Dave,, the 2004 election was fixed. Do a google for Ken Blackwell Ohio R Secetary of State. Although Ken Blackwell will be unemployed real soon and he will get as much respect from the people of his state as Katherine Harris has

Related to the obvious liberal bias of Keith Olbermann, Sheldon Drobny puts a nice plug in for his comrade on HuffPo today.....

"The success of Countdown with Keith Olbermann is another example of alternative programming that is taking market share away from Fox."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheldon-drobny/who-wants-liberal-talk-ra_b_31956.html

Mr. Drobny, the initial driving force of AIR AMERICA and the failed network's continuing apologist, makes a revealing evaluation of COUNTDOWN, His conclusion is just another fine example of what Olbermann is really about.

Mr. Drobny's use of the terms, "non-conservative," and, "alternatives to conservative talk radio," is nice and nuanced....but I prefer easy labels, like, "liberal."

So, I guess this makes it official.....

COUNTDOWN with Keith Olbermann is liberal programming! Nice.

Sixstring.. no I do not contribute to Isreal... I am very much in the Pat Buchanan camp in regards to Isreal. Let Isreal defend for themselves. They are a war filled nation that has stolen the land that they inhabit.

Finally something that me and you agree on O'libel. If Democrats gain control, we could be heading toward become a theocracy. I just bought me girlfriend a collection of veils, so she will be ready when Sharia law is implemented.

Dave... oh yeah.. the dems plan on going towards Islamic law. Try again, certainly you canb do better.

The 04' elections were stolen! YOU can do beter! LFMFAO!!

Dave.. what is beter ?

Kfk,

I had the great pleasure of corresponding with Mark Levin long before he had a radio show.

I frequented his Landmark Foundation website and watched him mopping the floor with opponents on the Geraldo Show on MSNBC during the Lewinsky days and I wrote him a fan email.

He replied promptly and very cordially every time I wrote.

He's a very nice and interesting man.

And the GOP 4-step Recipe to ‘Blackwell’ the USA in 2008
Abracadabra: Three million votes vanish

This is a fact: On November 2, 2004, in the State of Ohio, 239,127 votes for President of the United States were dumped, rejected, blocked, lost and left to rot uncounted.

And not just anyone’s vote. Dive into the electoral dumpster and these “spoiled” votes have a very dark color indeed.

In another life, I taught statistics. And these statistics stank: the raw data tells us that if you are a Black voter, the chance of you losing your vote to technical errors in voting machinery is 900% higher than if you were a white voter.

Any guesses as to whom those African-Americans chose for president on those junked ballots? Check Ohio’s racial demographics, do the numbers, and there it is: Kerry won Ohio. And that, too, is a fact. A fact that could not get reported in the USA.

But the shoplifting of those votes in Ohio was just the tip of the theft-berg. November 2, 2004 was a national ballot-box bonfire. In total, over three million votes (3,600,380 to be exact) were cast—marked, punched, pulled—YET NEVER COUNTED. I’m not talking about the Ukraine or Uganda. I’m talking about the United States of America “with liberty and justice for all.”

Well, not “all.” The nine-to-one Black-to-White ballot spoilage rate is a national statistic—not just an Ohio trick. Last year, I flew to New Mexico to investigate the 33,981 cast but not counted ballots of that state in the 2004 race. George Bush “won” New Mexico by 5,988 votes. Or did he? I calculated that, of the all the ballots rejected and “spoiled,” 89% were cast by voters of color. Who won New Mexico? Kerry won—or he would have, if they had counted the ballots.

But they didn’t count them. And that was deliberate. It’s in the plan. It’s the program. And the program for 2008 is simple. Two million ballots were cast but not counted in the 2000 race. (Over half, 54%, were cast by African-American.) In 2004, the GOP kicked it up to THREE million. Get ready, these guys aim high: “four in ‘06″ and “five in ‘08″ looks to be their game plan.

How will they pile up five million un-voters in 2008? Let’s start with the three million “disappeared” of 2004:

Step 1: “Spoiling” ballots—1,389,231 of them. In the vote-count game, these are called “undervotes” and “overvotes.” You can recognize these lost ballots by their hanging chads, punch cards without punches (an Ohio specialty), paper ballots eaten by scanners, and touch screens that didn’t know you touched them.

Step 2: Rejecting “provisional ballots”– 1,090,729 in this pile. Voters finding themselves at the “wrong” precinct, or wrongly “scrubbed” from voter rolls get these back-of-the-bus ballots first inaugurated in 2002. In ‘04, provisional ballots were passed out like candy to voters in the poorest precincts. They handed them out—then threw them away—one million dumped in all. In Ohio, Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell changed state rules, allowing him to toss out the ballots of legal voters who cast ballots in the wrong precinct although these citizens were told their vote would count after confirming their registration.

Step 3: Not counting absentee ballots—526,420 of them. At least, that’s what we figure from official stats. But it’s anyone’s guess how many mailed-in votes were dumped. (However, in one case, in Palm Beach, Florida, Jeb Bush’s candidate for Elections Supervisor, Theresa LaPore, counted more absentee votes than absentee ballots mailed in. Not the brightest bulb in the vote-fix biz, that Theresa.)

Step 4: Scrub’m, Purge’m, Block’m. These are the voters who never got to vote at all. This group includes those who found their registrations were never entered on the voter rolls. In Ohio, about one-fourth of those registered by Jesse Jackson’s 2004 voter drive, found their registrations delayed beyond the election date or lost.

Add to this un-voter group, those who were wrongly “scrubbed” from registries as “felons.” For example, there was Bernice Kines, purged in Florida in 2004 because she was convicted of a felony on July 31, 2009. I repeat: 2009. There was something especially odd about the Ohio felon purge: ex-cons are ALLOWED to vote in that state, Mr. Blackwell.

How many lost their chance to vote by scrubbing, purging and blocking? That’s anyone’s guess, but one million would not be an unfair estimate—and that’s not included in the 3.6 million tally of ballots uncounted.

Was it deliberate? Oh my God, yes. I’d like you to take a look at the “caging” lists the Republican National Committee concocted to challenge voters with “suspect” addresses. It included page after page of African-American soldiers, like one Randall Prausa, shipped overseas. Mission accomplished, Mr. President?

And there’s some new tricks for these old dogs. For the 2006 and 2008, the GOP is pushing new Voter ID requirements. Your signature won’t be good enough anymore.

What’s wrong with the new ID laws? This: in the 2004 election, 300,000 voters were turned away from the polls for “wrong” ID. For example, in the “Little Texas” counties in New Mexico, if your voter registration included a middle initial but your driver’s license had none, you were kicked out of the polling station. Funny, but they only seemed to ask Hispanic voters. We should see the number of voters rejected for ID to quintuple by 2008 based on the new “voting reform” laws recently passed in several states.

Also, coming to a polling station near you: more caging lists, scrub lists, ID challenge lists and more. Exactly why do you think they are compiling those “War on Terror” and War on Immigration databases? Behind the 2000 felon purge lists and behind the 2004 caging lists were databases from the same companies that now have those homeland security contracts. Are they saving us from Osama—or from Democrats?

I wish I could give you a book on a page, because information is our weapon: Turn on the lights and the cockroaches scatter. That’s why I’m asking you to read RFK’s article on the Theft of Ohio—and GET ANGRY. Then read, “Armed Madhouse: & The Scheme to Steal ‘08“—AND GET READY.

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BBC investigative reporter Greg Palast is author of ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, The Scheme to Steal ‘O8, No Child’s Behind Left and other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War—out Tuesday. Or order it at www.ArmedMadhouse.com

A Different article...

I know you don’t want to hear it. You can’t face one more hung chad.�� But I don’t have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it’s my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN’s exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent.�� The exit polls were later combined with���and therefore contaminated by���the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote.�� Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio’s male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what’s going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, “Who did you vote for?” Unfortunately, they don’t ask the crucial, question, “Was your vote counted?” The voters don’t know.

Here’s why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See TomPaine.com,��”An Election Spoiled Rotten,” ��November 1.]

Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I’m sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.

The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called “spoilage.” Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don’t you believe it … it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.

Whose Votes Are Discarded?

And not all votes spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official report, come from African-American and minority precincts. (To learn more,��click here.)

We saw this in Florida in 2000. Exit polls showed Gore with a plurality of at least 50,000, but it didn’t match the official count. That’s because the official, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, excluded 179,855 spoiled votes.�� In Florida, as in Ohio, most of these votes lost were cast on punch cards where the hole wasn’t��punched through completely���leaving a ‘hanging chad,’���or was punched extra times.�� Whose cards were discarded? Expert statisticians investigating spoilage for the government calculated that 54 percent of the ballots thrown in the dumpster were cast by black folks. (To read the report from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, click��here .)

And here’s the key: Florida is terribly typical. The majority of ballots thrown out (there will be nearly 2 million tossed out from Tuesday’s election) will have been cast by African American and other minority citizens.

So here we go again. Or, here we don’t go again. Because unlike last time, Democrats aren’t even asking Ohio to count these cards with the not-quite-punched holes (called “undervotes” in the voting biz). Nor are they demanding we look at the “overvotes” where voter intent may be discerned.

Ohio is one of the last states in America to still use the vote-spoiling punch-card machines. And the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth Blackwell,��wrote before the election, ���the possibility of a close election with punch cards as the state���s primary voting device invites a Florida-like calamity.���

But this week, Blackwell, a rabidly partisan Republican, has warmed up to the result of sticking with machines that have a habit of eating Democratic votes. When asked if he feared being this year’s Katherine Harris, Blackwell noted that Ms. Fix-it’s efforts landed her a seat in Congress.

Exactly how many votes were lost to spoilage this time? Blackwell’s office, notably, won’t say, though the law requires it be reported. Hmm. But we know that last time, the total of Ohio votes discarded reached a democracy-damaging 1.96 percent. The machines produced their typical loss���that’s 110,000 votes���overwhelmingly Democratic.

The Impact Of Challenges

First and foremost, Kerry was had by chads. But the Democrat wasn’t punched out by punch cards alone. There were also��the ‘challenges.’ That’s a polite word for the Republican Party of Ohio’s use of an old Ku Klux Klan technique: the attempt to block thousands of voters of color at the polls. In Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida, the GOP laid plans for poll workers to ambush citizens under arcane laws���almost never used���allowing party-designated poll watchers to finger individual voters and demand they be denied a ballot. The Ohio courts were horrified and federal law prohibits targeting of voters where race is a factor in the challenge. But our Supreme Court was prepared to let Republicans stand in the voting booth door.

In the end, the challenges were not overwhelming, but they were there. Many apparently resulted in voters getting these funky “provisional” ballots���a kind of voting placebo���which may or may not be counted. Blackwell estimates there were 175,000; Democrats say 250,000. Pick your number. But as challenges were aimed at minorities, no one doubts these are, again, overwhelmingly Democratic. Count them up, add in the spoiled punch cards (easy to tally with the human eye in a recount), and the totals begin to match the exit polls; and, golly, you’ve got yourself a new president. Remember, Bush won by 136,483 votes in Ohio.

Enchanted State’s Enchanted Vote

Now, on to New Mexico, where a Kerry plurality���if all votes are counted���is more obvious still. Before the election, in TomPaine.com, I wrote, “John Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, though not one ballot has yet been counted.”

How did that happen? It’s the spoilage, stupid; and the provisional ballots.

CNN said George Bush took New Mexico by 11,620 votes. Again, the network total added up to that miraculous, and non-existent, ‘100 percent’ of ballots cast.

New Mexico reported in the last race a spoilage rate of 2.68 percent, votes lost almost entirely in Hispanic, Native American and poor precincts���Democratic turf. From Tuesday’s vote, assuming the same ballot-loss rate, we can expect to see 18,000 ballots in the spoilage bin.

Spoilage has a very Democratic look in New Mexico. Hispanic voters in the Enchanted State, who voted more than two to one for Kerry, are five times as likely to have their vote spoil as a white voter. Counting these uncounted votes would easily overtake the Bush ‘plurality.’

Already, the election-bending effects of spoilage are popping up in the election stats, exactly where we’d expect them: in heavily Hispanic areas controlled by Republican elections officials. Chaves County, in the “Little Texas” area of New Mexico, has a 44 percent Hispanic population, plus African Americans and Native Americans, yet George Bush “won” there 68 percent to 31 percent.

I spoke with Chaves’ Republican county clerk before the election, and he told me that this huge spoilage rate among Hispanics simply indicated that such people simply can’t make up their minds on the choice of candidate for president. Oddly, these brown people drive across the desert to register their indecision in a voting booth.

Now, let’s add in the effect on the New Mexico tally of provisional ballots.

“They were handing them out like candy,” Albuquerque journalist Renee Blake reported of provisional ballots. About 20,000 were given out. Who got them?

Santiago Juarez who ran the “Faithful Citizenship” program for the Catholic Archdiocese in New Mexico, told me that “his” voters, poor Hispanics, whom he identified as solid Kerry supporters, were handed the iffy provisional ballots. Hispanics were given provbisional ballots, rather than the countable kind “almost religiously,” he said, at polling stations when there was the least question about a voter’s identification. Some voters, Santiago said, were simply turned away.

Your Kerry Victory Party

So we can call Ohio and New Mexico for John Kerry���if we count all the votes.

But that won’t happen. Despite the Democratic Party’s pledge, the leadership this time gave in to racial disenfranchisement once again. Why? No doubt, the Democrats know darn well that counting all the spoiled and provisional ballots will require the cooperation of Ohio’s Secretary of State, Blackwell. He will ultimately decide which spoiled and provisional ballots get tallied. Blackwell, hankering to step into Kate Harris’ political pumps, is unlikely to permit anything close to a full count. Also, Democratic leadership knows darn well the media would punish the party for demanding a full count.

What now? Kerry won, so hold your victory party. But make sure the shades are down: it may be become illegal to demand a full vote count under PATRIOT Act III.

I used to write a column for the Guardian papers in London. Several friends have asked me if I will again leave the country. In light of the failure���a second time���to count all the votes, that won’t be necessary. My country has left me.

O'libel, what is lacklustre? Itr? Canb? Still LMFAO!!!

Another brilliant posting by O'lielly...leaving aside the repeadted anti-Semitism, I found this quote to be particularly uninformed:

"get as much respect from the people of his state as Katherine Harris has". Would that be former Secretary of State, 2 term Congresswoman Katherine Harris? The one who is currently the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate from the state of Florida?

Jesus, O'Lielly, pull yourself away from the blogs and check out the news once in a while.

O'lielly....[Israel is] "a war filled nation that has stolen the land that they inhabit."?

Oh my, when did that happen, O'lielly? 1948? 1967? 3000 BC? I love these great humanitarians like O'lielly and Sir Loin who deny the right of the existence of a democracy like the great nation of Israel. Lovely.

You know, it would be nice if Iran tries to do what they hope to do......."move" Israel. Then O'lielly will see a real war made against fundamentalist Islam....perhaps with nuclear ordnance.

Wow, more unattributed cut and paste off-topic articles from O'lielly.. I see another pattern:

O'Lielly says something inanely stupid, is challenged on it, says something even dumber in an attempt to justify it, then lifts someone else's intellectual property in an effort to change the topic.

O'Lamely,

Between your antisemitic comments and your comments on the President, one might wonder if you are John Walker Lindh. By the way, you do realize that threatining the President is a crime? I will not reprint your comment wishing him torture and death.

Well KFK: the term "intellectual property" is something of a misnomer when dealing with the Olbyloons and their favorite radical, leftist websites which are fact-free so far as I can tell.

O'Lielly, here's some more conspiracy theories for you:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YX4JT6D9KZo

BTW a former stat prof? isn't the old quote "there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics"

MORE MARK LEVIN!!!!!

MORE MARK LEVIN!!!!!

You are right O'Lielly. There is no way the dems can win with the rigged electoral system. All dems should not vate because it is a waste of time and gas. Did I get the message wrong from the cut and paste???

"You know, it would be nice if Iran tries to do what they hope to do......."move" Israel. Then O'lielly will see a real war made against fundamentalist Islam....perhaps with nuclear ordnance."

What a lovely dream you have for the future Cee.

well I see that the noted fecal explorer O'lielly is back with more cut and paste nonsense and left wing kook conspiracy theories. The leftists are still snivleing about kerry losing in '04. Even with all the felons, dead people, made up people and other democrat voters kerry still could not win. Gee maybe ya think that there could have been a problem with the polls in'04 just like there is a problem with the polls now?
I am interested to see how the deomcrats , the party of supporting terrorists and other traitors really does this november. Polls are useless just like liberals. Figures O'leilly would use some ultra liberla British tabloid sleaze paper to prove his moonbat points. Who gives a fuch what the brits report or think about Amenrican elections anyway. Isn't this the same paper who is so politically correct that they refuse to even actually use the word terrorist because it might offend the terorists? yeah that's reliable reporting- sounds like the hero of the moonbat socialist left olberliar.
Nice of you to waste your valuable time o'leielly but nobody cares to read your recycled liberal whining- get yourself a tissue and get over it moron.

No jt....it would not be lovely if Iran started a nuclear war....it would be nice as in, "suitable or proper." Ahmadinejad uses words to cause fear in a race of people and liberals in this country don't say a word of condemnation. They just rant that our wonderful president is the devil.

Remember that previous maniacs went on to try to make their hateful words reality.....the difference this time is that Israel has the means to defend herself....too bad for the anti-Semitic left in The United States, uh jt?

Again, this is the bill that Mr. Olbermann will be giving his "special commentary" on.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf

See Section 7 re habeas rights.

Any resemblance between what he claims the bill states and what the provisions of the bill actually are will be entirely coincidental.

Note again: The bill limits - doesn't take away completely but does limit - the habeas corpus rights of ALIEN ENEMY COMBATANTS. If you're an American citizen, your habeas rights are NOT AFFECTED.

For the thousandth time, no American's habeas rights are taken away. Mr. Olbermann will claim this repeatedly this evening; he is wrong.

SMG

Remember that previous maniacs went on to try to make their hateful words reality.....the difference this time is that Israel has the means to defend herself....too bad for the anti-Semitic left in The United States, uh jt?

You seem positvely giddy at the prospect. that will all show all those lefties who have dared crticize the president.

Whoo haw, what a relief. Since this information was posted several hours in advance of Olby's little tantrum on TV where he channels his inner Edward R. Murrow (or is that his inner George Clooney?) I know the answer to my question? Is Keith, who was never ever the sharpest crayon in the sportswriter's crayola box, adlibbing this stuff off the top of his little head---or is he simply reading something of a Teleprompter that someone with more intelligence wrote? My vote goes for the Teleprompter read--although the writer of this crapola is only "smarter" relative to Olbermann--a pretty low hurdle to cross.

You seem positvely giddy at the prospect. that will all show all those lefties who have dared crticize the president.

Posted by: jt at October 18, 2006 05:35 PM

Thats because a nuclear war will fulfill the hope and the dreams of their world vision. All those books and all those bible classes will be proved correct for them. Peace is the last thing that they expect. It would make them to nervous. War is the order of things. The Jews are more important than anyone, including other sects of Christians.

O'Leily's bilge and historical revisionism is starting to back up the sink and remind me of hmmmm...how about Olbertool?? Leftard and pro-Israel at this juncture seems a bit oxymoronic doesn't it. Also appears like O'Leily/Olbercrank's idea of a kinder gentler approach to Al Qaeda, Hamas and Mr. Dinnerjacket may not sit well with those wishing to continue to reside or exist in Israel.

hahacharadeyouare and jt,

No giddiness here at my end, people. Just shaking my head at another sad reaction from a group of people who would rather see Israel destroyed and The United States defeated then be honest and identify the true "bad guy." Your ilk did it in the 1930's and you are doing it again. Critisizing Bush ONLY is what I have a problem with. Your blind ideology would have Israel destroyed and The Middle East become exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants....a panislamic region. No Jews, no Christians, no infidels.

I hold no hope that this is the, "end times," as you dismissively imply. I have hope that rightous people will come to the aid of oppressed people, no matter who they are: Arab, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Westerner, Middle-Easterner, whatever.

States who encourage terrorism.....Talibanist Afghanistan, Iran, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Syria are the enemies of free people everywhere. What is even worse is they hold (or held) their own populations hostage as a shield to keep right action from taking place. And the weak, whistle-in-the-dark left of America bows to the intimidation.

The secular left in The United States only care about what is good for their small group in a country that is free only because brave citizens answered the call to keep it free. Shame on those who have nothing better to do than scream about their own rights when millions of people can't even leave their homes tonight because they fear death at the hands of murderous thugs.

jt and hahacharadeyouare......have a nice evening.

Since my partner discovered this site yesterday and he is a flaming Republican I have been thinking all day about the things you write on this site.

So you think Jonathan Turley is what a Democrat?
and idiot? a Liar? The man is a constitutional professor respected by everyone. Not a single person that I have seen has written anything negative about him. If he says that what W just signed is very similar to what Hitler asked for and got in 1938. Then just check it out and you will that that is just what it is. It gives W the right to do whatever he wants with no checks and balance. This congress has done zero oversight, no questions are allowed to be asked, nothing questioned. And Kuo, is also discredited by you guys. So tell me, what did Keith do that gets your flag up in the air. You actually compare him to Oreilly? Ann Man Coulter? Hannity? One of us is really out of his mind and I know it is not me.

I am only interested in the truth, no politics. You are only politics and spin the truth. You can't spin the truth...don't you know?

What about Bruce Fein, Republican atty who slammed Clinton and now says that W should be arrested is also wrong? What about John Dean, Republican conservative, he also believes the President should be arrested and impeached.
What about the conservative republicans who are leaving the party to try to protect their own skin now that it is too late.

Mark Foley was molested, he says by a priest 35 years ago. Now it appears the man is alive, but duh he is out of the United States. Want to bet he has been at the Vatican for 25 years?

"It gives W the right to do whatever he wants with no checks and balance"

It does no such thing. Please read what the bill actually says.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf

Just because a professor of law says something doesn't mean it's accurate or correct.

Turley is flat out wrong. The bill does not take away habea rights of ANY American citizen.

Please, don't take my word either. Read the actual law.

SMG

No giddiness here at my end, people. Just shaking my head at another sad reaction from a group of people who would rather see Israel destroyed and The United States defeated then be honest and identify the true "bad guy." Your ilk did it in the 1930's and you are doing it again. Critisizing Bush ONLY is what I have a problem with. Your blind ideology would have Israel destroyed and The Middle East become exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants....a panislamic region. No Jews, no Christians, no infidels.
Posted by: cee at October 18, 2006 07:38 PM

I never said I wanted Israel destroyed. I guess you haven't noticed but the Iraq war has made a panislamic region more likely. You have to be convinced in your mind that only you know the truth, only you know God. Anyone who opposes your plan for Israel or Bush is a Godless socialist. Please open your very closed mind just a little. You say "Shame on those who have nothing better to do than scream about their own rights when millions of people can't even leave their homes tonight because they fear death at the hands of murderous thugs." Those thugs are running loose because America attacked a country they shouldn't of and can't control it. Don't blame me for a mess I never wanted.

What about Bruce Fein, Republican atty who slammed Clinton and now says that W should be arrested is also wrong? What about John Dean, Republican conservative, he also believes the President should be arrested and impeached.
What about the conservative republicans who are leaving the party to try to protect their own skin now that it is too late.
Posted by: barry sinrod at October 18, 2006 07:55 PM

Trust me. If they speak a word against the "Klan". they are liberal scum no matter their credentials. They have to be. The current leader must decide, he is the DECIDER. He would never do wrong. Robertson and Dobson have annointed him.

Hey SteveMG, i saw that you posted the link to the bill 3 or 4 times but you might as well give it up. The olbyloons don't want to know what the bill actually says because then they would have to face the fact that thier god olby is a liar.

Bill, why are you even here? Did you listen to Levin? He just pwned your entire belief system.

John Dean, Republican conservative? To think that the "debate" in this country has reached the state that John Dean is cited as an authority on anything.What, pray tell, other than committing a felony, and then turning state's evidence, has John Dean ever done? The streets (and jails) are full of people with those same qualifications.Let them out,Mr. Sinrod, move them into houses next to yours, and let them have a forum and be paid to spout bromides and horseshit and then get cited as republican conservatives.How fraudulent can the description of one person be? How pathetic.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

"John Dean, Republican conservative"??????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(pauses to catch breath and wipe tears away)

Well, sure, in the funhouse world of Keith Olbermann, I guess Dean does qualify as a Republican conservative.

"John Dean, Republican conservative? To think that the "debate" in this country has reached the state that John Dean is cited as an authority on anything.What, pray tell, other than committing a felony, and then turning state's evidence, has John Dean ever done?"

Before becoming Counsel to the President of the United States in July 1970 at age thirty-one,
John Dean was Chief Minority Counsel to the Judiciary Committee of the United States House of Representatives, the Associate Director of a law reform commission, and Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States. He served as Richard Nixon's White House lawyer for a thousand days.

he also write's all the time for findlaw the #1 free resource for legal profesionals

> he also write's all the time for findlaw the #1 free resource for legal profesionals

And his legal advice is definitely worth the price. I wouldn't go to any website that would hire a disbarred lawyer as an "expert".

Oh, and if John Dean is a "Republican conservative", that would mean that so is David Brock. And Arianna Huffington. And by the same logic, Zel Miller is a flaming Democrat. Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat President. And Michael Medved is a radical leftist, like David Horowitz.

OlbyLogic never loses its entertainment value.

"And his legal advice is definitely worth the price. I wouldn't go to any website that would hire a disbarred lawyer as an "expert"."

That makes sense. I'm sure he lost his legal expertise when he was disbarred. Besides the question was what has the man accomplished.

“Oh, and if John Dean is a "Republican conservative", that would mean that so is David Brock. And Arianna Huffington. And by the same logic, Zel Miller is a flaming Democrat. Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat President. And Michael Medved is a radical leftist, like David Horowitz. “

If you could be so kind Johnny tell please tell me where I said he was? I eagerly await you response. But don’t expect it.

flamewar!

> If you could be so kind Johnny tell please tell me where I said he was? I eagerly await you response. But don’t expect it.

If you could be so kind jt, please tell me where I ever attributed that statement to you? (I believe it was "sinrod" who made that preposterous claim.) I eagerly await your response, but don't expect it.

"If you could be so kind jt, please tell me where I ever attributed that statement to you? (I believe it was "sinrod" who made that preposterous claim.) I eagerly await your response, but don't expect it."

This is an improvement! identify the person you are speaking with. Writing one paragraph to me and another to Sinrod is unclear and creates confusion. Especially when you use words, that by definition, attract the attention of the person you were speaking too.

Bill

I tried to get my liberal friends to read my article:

"An Electoral System You Can Count On"
http://americandaily.com/article/11197

But instead they seem to prefer to bitch about real or percieved past injustice. Send me an email if you find my plan wanting. I entertain all serious criticism.

However, as someone so cowardly as to not provide their real name, I doubt I'll hear anything of substance from you.

Bill

I tried to get my liberal friends to read my article:

"An Electoral System You Can Count On"
http://americandaily.com/article/11197

But instead they seem to prefer to bitch about real or percieved past injustice. Send me an email if you find my plan wanting. I entertain all serious criticism.

However, as someone so cowardly as to not provide their real name, I doubt I'll hear anything of substance from you.

In Response to Some of Bill's Charges (see above):

On Vote counting and disqualification:
1. It is alleged that Hispanics in New Mexico were told that they could not vote because their identification did not match their voter registration.

How is this wrong? One notices upon browsing the phone book of really any major city, that there are several names that are VERY common (both first- and surnames) in Spanish; e.g. Garcia, Juan, Villalobos, Sanchez, Pablo, Guierrmo, Rodriguez, etc. Given this, it is nothing but reasonable to rely on the middle name as a qualifier for identification at the polls.

2. Republicans have come up with the devious scheme of requiring photo identification at the polls.

Again, what on earth is the issue here? "your signature is no longer good enough" As if it was really a reasonable means of identification in the first place. By this standard, I could claim to be Gibbles McJibbles, or perhaps a more common name picked out of the phone book (after all, so few people vote these days as it is; it cannot be difficult to find someone that does not intend to cast their ballot, and vote as much as i desire that day. The real reason that this stuff is being opposed is it threatens to choke the last life out of the old political machines, of which the democrats have always had a top-notch model - registration at the polls, with two friends to swear that you are who you say you are. TO-tally uncorruptable, right?

As to the argument that this is a kind of de facto poll tax, my answer is: duh. Everything costs money, in case you haven't noticed, but to argue that presentation of a driver's license, or state ID card, which are hella cheap in the first place (5 bucks a year in my state), a thing that one needs almost all the time anyway, for everything from purchases to getting a job, is absolute insanity.

In Response to Some of Bill's Charges (see above):

On Vote counting and disqualification:
1. It is alleged that Hispanics in New Mexico were told that they could not vote because their identification did not match their voter registration.

How is this wrong? One notices upon browsing the phone book of really any major city, that there are several names that are VERY common (both first- and surnames) in Spanish; e.g. Garcia, Juan, Villalobos, Sanchez, Pablo, Guierrmo, Rodriguez, etc. Given this, it is nothing but reasonable to rely on the middle name as a qualifier for identification at the polls.

2. Republicans have come up with the devious scheme of requiring photo identification at the polls.

Again, what on earth is the issue here? "your signature is no longer good enough" As if it was really a reasonable means of identification in the first place. By this standard, I could claim to be Gibbles McJibbles, or perhaps a more common name picked out of the phone book (after all, so few people vote these days as it is; it cannot be difficult to find someone that does not intend to cast their ballot, and vote as much as i desire that day. The real reason that this stuff is being opposed is it threatens to choke the last life out of the old political machines, of which the democrats have always had a top-notch model - registration at the polls, with two friends to swear that you are who you say you are. TO-tally uncorruptable, right?

As to the argument that this is a kind of de facto poll tax, my answer is: duh. Everything costs money, in case you haven't noticed, but to argue that presentation of a driver's license, or state ID card, which are hella cheap in the first place (5 bucks a year in my state), a thing that one needs almost all the time anyway, for everything from purchases to getting a job, is absolute insanity.

In Response to Some of Bill's Charges (see above):

On Vote counting and disqualification:
1. It is alleged that Hispanics in New Mexico were told that they could not vote because their identification did not match their voter registration.

How is this wrong? One notices upon browsing the phone book of really any major city, that there are several names that are VERY common (both first- and surnames) in Spanish; e.g. Garcia, Juan, Villalobos, Sanchez, Pablo, Guierrmo, Rodriguez, etc. Given this, it is nothing but reasonable to rely on the middle name as a qualifier for identification at the polls.

2. Republicans have come up with the devious scheme of requiring photo identification at the polls.

Again, what on earth is the issue here? "your signature is no longer good enough" As if it was really a reasonable means of identification in the first place. By this standard, I could claim to be Gibbles McJibbles, or perhaps a more common name picked out of the phone book (after all, so few people vote these days as it is; it cannot be difficult to find someone that does not intend to cast their ballot, and vote as much as i desire that day. The real reason that this stuff is being opposed is it threatens to choke the last life out of the old political machines, of which the democrats have always had a top-notch model - registration at the polls, with two friends to swear that you are who you say you are. TO-tally uncorruptable, right?

As to the argument that this is a kind of de facto poll tax, my answer is: duh. Everything costs money, in case you haven't noticed, but to argue that presentation of a driver's license, or state ID card, which are hella cheap in the first place (5 bucks a year in my state), a thing that one needs almost all the time anyway, for everything from purchases to getting a job, is absolute insanity.