I guess I'm not as "disturbed" as you are.

The links didn't work for me because they are only accessible to NR subscribers. Will you tell us a password to try to see if the links work?

(Are you suggesting that the quotes are incorrect, or just that the links didn't work?)

sounds like "media matters for America" is attacking the messenger .

Bill,

What I wrote was "disturbing" was Keith's "habit of referring to the President of the United States as 'mister'".

I also pointed out that the MMFA did not provide links that readers can use to fact-check their claims. Perhaps you imagine that MMFA readers are National Review subscribers but I think most folks would agree that putting up links to stories behind a pay wall at National Review at Media Matters for America is about the same thing as not putting up links at all.

Be that as it may, it really doesn't address the salient point - that Media Matters is now attacking Olbermann Watch.

Bush barely deserves the "mister" either. Anyone who cares to check it out can see that Gore won Florida, if ALL votes were counted. The election was stolen. Democracy was usurped by a bunch of brown-shirts...

Media Matters routinely attacks anyone who disagrees with the far left wing of the Dem party without support for their comments. David Brock has become a hack and a hired gun.

Blindrat, try again...all of the counts, even those done by Gore supporters like the New York Times and Washington Post show that he would have lost if "all the votes" were counted in Florida...and all votes that were properly made were counted. We are very lucky that Al Gore never was and never will be President.

Wow! Another sheep to enlighten: Here goes, son...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/11/13/column.rothenberg/index.html

"...To some, the most interesting finding is that Bush would have defeated Gore if the vice president's campaign had gotten its way in the state courts and forced four predominantly Democratic counties (Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Broward and Volusia) to recount disputed ballots. However, Gore would have nosed passed Bush if all statewide disqualified ballots had been counted. (Interestingly, most newspapers hyped the story by noting that Bush would have won under the terms of the Gore legal challenge, not that a complete recount would have elected Gore.) "

The whole kerfuffle about Florida is irrelevant. It didn't matter which count prevailed. The disputed vote would have been argued in the House of Representatives, where there were more GOP states than Dem states, so the vote would have gone for Bush anyhow.

To try to keep some tenuous thread to the topic at hand, do you suppose Olby will bring David Brock on again to do an expose of Olbermann Watch? Somehow I don't think so.

The topic, I thought, was "mister" Bush as opposed to "President" Bush...

The title of the President of the United States is, and always has been "mister." It is proper to call him that.

And there are VERY good reasons for it.

Let's not pretend that the lying, stealing wartime deserter is worthy of any respect. It insults both of our intelligences...

Its quite obvious and its certainly not troubling, or are you positing questions knowing the answer beforehand?You host this site for God's sake!
Well the use of "Mister" instead of "President" is an obvious underhand slap that KO is trying to deliver disrespecting the office of the Presidency, one can also infer that he disputes the legitimacy of calling Bush "President" vis-a-vis the "stolen election" argument.
Pretty low class stuff, but what else can you expect from this pompous git?

There is no argument, Bush lost the 2000 election. There was a statewide recount...

Hi Rat, just popping in between classes- Just wanted to make a few points...

1) I can't belive that the libs are STILL pining over Florida 2000. EVERY independent newspaper did their own "recount" and every one named Bush the winner. Of course, Gore didn't want a "statewide recount" as rat claims, he only wanted specific "democrat" counties. Also, team Gore didn't want the overseas MILITARY ballots counted either- as they would only serve to spank Gore even more.

2) If only Gore could have won his home state of Tenn. he would have been president... but, the people who knew him best- those of his HOME STATE voted overwhelmingly against him.

3) Bush won again in 2004... and the libs can't stand it. They STILL cry out about STEALING the election in 2000.

But, folks like Rat will never get over it. They have vast (right wing?) conspiracies on how Karl Rove and those evil NEOCONS stole the election, rigged voting machines, and even brought down the twin towers.

1) I posted my link, son. Post yours...

2) Irrelevent

3) Three million votes were never counted in the 2004 election; moreover, it is irrelevent to the 2000 election...

A true American wouldn't "get over" subverting our democracy, son...

That's our Rat... name-calling, hyperbole, and conspiracy-buying gullibility.

Cry, whine, drink the KoolAid... good, little rat.

Bush barely deserves the "mister" either. Anyone who cares to check it out can see that Gore won Florida, if ALL votes were counted. The election was stolen. Democracy was usurped by a bunch of brown-shirts...

Posted by: blindrat at October 30, 2006 10:01 AM

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There is no argument, Bush lost the 2000 election. There was a statewide recount...

Posted by: blindrat at October 30, 2006 11:00 AM

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Well, at least blindrat is true to his name...yes there were statewide recountS and Bush won most of those (ask the major newspaper syndicates from across the country that went in and did it themselves).

My guess would be...no link...no rebuttal...no leg to stand on...

Right, son?

Connor,

Show me, please, where Bush wins if all the votes in Florida are counted...

Thanks!

Rat, I'll just do like you do- I'll just say "Irrelevent" (except, I'll spell it correctly- irrelevant).

Just like you... right, son?

Steve,

I posted a link that proved my point. You've posted...well...nothing...

I don't see much of a career for you in law if you cannot provide proof of your assertions, son...

Oh, and Rat- by the way... where was your righteous self-indignation back when Chicago Mayor/Crime Boss Daley (D) rigged the election for Kennedy?

You know, where there were actual (documented) cases of voter fraud, dead people voting, and the old democratic mantra of "vote early, and vote often" was taken to a new level?

Or are you only concerned about "subverting our democracy", when its alleged that a NEOCON is doing it?

Bush Still Wins Florida in Newspaper Recount
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/04/04/florida.recount.01/index.html
Miami Herald's results if its painstaking recount of all ballots in Florida

Also of note is this passage from the CNN article:

Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes -- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office -- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore

When that election was being held, I was hanging around my mother's womb, son...

Again, no proof of anything, just the prattle of the young and ignorant...

PS to Blindrat...I see no link you posted or is it the anonomous one

connor,

I see that you agree with me. The supposed Bush win was based upon what Gore wanted. Gore shouldn't decide whose votes should've been counted. When ALL the votes were counted, Gore won...

Thanks for showing that to the world...

Rat, if you need an internet link to help you through the denial process of the Florida 2000 situation, you need a lot more help than any link can provide.

This topic has been done, done, and over done.

I'll make it simple- BUSH WON. Let's say it together... BUSH WON.

Now, I know its been 6 years, and your head is still up your ass (in true liberal fashion), but Bush won. He won AGAIN in 2004. I'm sorry.

However, if what you say is true (and it isn't) where are the front page stories in the NY Times/TIME/USA Today, etc. claiming all of the "documented links" you provide?

I'll tell you- there are no such front page stories, because you and your ilk are delusional. Thanks for playing son, now- go upstairs, your mom is calling you to take out the garbage.

Wow! Another sheep to enlighten: Here goes, son...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/11/13/column.rothenberg/index.html

"...To some, the most interesting finding is that Bush would have defeated Gore if the vice president's campaign had gotten its way in the state courts and forced four predominantly Democratic counties (Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Broward and Volusia) to recount disputed ballots. However, Gore would have nosed passed Bush if all statewide disqualified ballots had been counted. (Interestingly, most newspapers hyped the story by noting that Bush would have won under the terms of the Gore legal challenge, not that a complete recount would have elected Gore.) "

(It was anonymous)

Steve,

Still nothing? You are indeed a lightweight, child...

If it has been done (and done and done) you should be able to find a source, eh?

Steve,

Still nothing? You are indeed a lightweight, child...

If it has been done (and done and done) you should be able to find a source, eh?

I see on Media Matters.org that conservative stalwart William F. Buckley also habitually refers to the president as "Mr. Bush". Is he also impugning the petulant usurper's legitimacy? Probably, seeing as how Buckley is actually a Conservative, and not a fascist goon.

This site is Straw-man Central.

Rat...so how could Bush steal the election if Gore fought so hard for those other ballots...didn't he then contribute to his own downfall by your own logic?

Hey, that's great "PROOF" Rat... I am now a total beliver.

If only Gore could cherry-pick "four predominantly Democratic counties (Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Broward and Volusia) to recount disputed ballots" he would have won. I conceed.

I also realize now, how you libs belive that Krazy Keith (the actual subject of this website) can claim massive ratings gains in the coveted 18-25, blonde-haired, left-handed, Eskimo red-heads demographic.

I get it. Thanks for bringing us all up to speed.

Your mom's still waiting, son.

Connor,

Yes, he did contribute to his own downfall. Doesn't change the truth, though...

Hey, gotta run to class now, fellas- Rat, your mom is gonna be pissed if you don't come up from the basement and take that trash out.

NOW!

Steve,

Perhaps you should've read the article, rather than just skimming it for your name, son...

It states that, if all the votes were counted, Gore won...

You need to get that reading comprehension worked on if you are going to pretend to be a law student...

Rat...from your article:
"But we don't declare winners and losers in this country based on what is in the voters' minds. We require them to cast their votes in a certain way (yes, voters have some obligation to make sure that they are casting their ballots correctly), and we count them in a certain prescribed way. Using that test, Bush carried the state by 537 votes."

Great Thanks

also rat,

why is TN irrelevant? or any other state for that matter?

why is Chicago irrelevant in that past election?

Do you only have selective outrage like most on the left? If the are or were voting problems in any other place you are not concerned? For crying out loud, there are already people crying DIEBOLD & disenfranchisement for 11/7/2006 and its not even here yet

Connor,

I'm gratified that you read the entire article; however, it still shows that Gore won Florida; moreover, it shows that legal votes were not counted. You can be proud of that fact, but I would imagine that, since you don't live in Iran or Cuba, you probably would rather simply ignore it...

Connor,

Tennessee is irrelevant simply because the vote count error that would've given Gore the presidency was in Florida. I'm sure that it is relevant to someone having a different discussion...

Likewise is Chicago irrelevant to this discussion on whether or not Bush is president...

@blindrat -:
Gore lost a won election... so what, Lincoln died when he shouldn't have, Hitler was elected when he shouldn't have?Life goes on man.
In the _here and now_ KO is a sucker for silliness and stupidity, thats what we're talking about ...son!!.

Steve has problems with comprehension?

Did you read ALL of your own article?

"even normally partisan Democrats, such as Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, have passed up the opportunity to question President Bush's legitimacy or even merely score partisan political points. "

"My perspective is somewhat different. I regard the new report as merely restating the conclusion that most of us arrived at by late November: It all depends.

-- It all depends on what standard is being used (e.g., dimpled ballots? hanging chads? incorrectly marked paper ballots where the intent was clear?).

-- It all depends on who is doing the counting (Democrats or Republicans?).

-- It all depends on what ballots you evaluate and adjust (e.g., should military ballots that didn't meet the letter of the law be counted?).

-- It all depends on whether you try to discern "voter intent" and how you discern that."

"But we don't declare winners and losers in this country based on what is in the voters' minds. We require them to cast their votes in a certain way (yes, voters have some obligation to make sure that they are casting their ballots correctly), and we count them in a certain prescribed way. Using that test, Bush carried the state by 537 votes. "

Well, since it appears tha you concede my point about the election in 2000, why not illustrate your point about Olbermann's silliness with examples...?

Conner,

An overvote is one in which TWO people have been selected. The legal overvotes were those that were disgarded when one person was voted for and written in. That is the law and that law was disregarded. That cannot be too difficult for you to fathom, son...

Rat:
"A true American wouldn't "get over" subverting our democracy, son..." ---apparently from your last post, you already have...

Do you know there were not any vote count errors in TN or any other state that held Gore back...maybe OH...maybe some were wrong towards Gore and Bush would have won them...you said ALL the votes...now you only mean ALL the votes in FL 2000?

and where do see anyone conceding you are right on this one delusional rat

Conner,

See, this is where you neocon girls get testy: I show you where Gore won Florida, hence the 2000 election. First, you deny it, but you cannot for very long. You try that whole "scenario" dodge...but, anyone with half a brain knows that ALL the votes are important...

So, you now pretend that, because other states weren't close enough to be contested that they should've been recounted anyway?

Here's a tip, son. When you lose an argument, just admit it. I posted proof that Gore got the most votes in Florida...you posted nothing to the contrary...

Deal with it, son...

Brick,

You seem like an intelligent young lady (for a neocon)...

Why was Bush grounded?

Conner,

An overvote is one in which TWO people have been selected. The legal overvotes were those that were disgarded when one person was voted for and written in. That is the law and that law was disregarded. That cannot be too difficult for you to fathom, son...

Posted by: blindrat at October 30, 2006 12:08 PM

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What does this post have to do with anything baby boy rat...ist there any point of reference to this or is just another hound dogs got long ears post? (here is a fact I have and I will post it though it in no way adresses anything)

PS: check these items out
http://www.florida2000election.com/sections/11.asp
http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/fl/promiss.asp

So, Brick is out...

Too bad I had to show what a lightweight you were this quickly, son...

Poor delusional aborted fetus rat...your PROOF that gore won the election was a line in that article which also says multiple times that Bush won the election...I think you shouldn't donate your stem cells because something is terribly wrong with them

connor,

The only time that it mentions all of the votes is where Gore wins. There is no other definition for democracy. Why is this so difficult for you to understand, son? Say it aloud: IF ALL OF THE VOTES WERE COUNTED, GORE WON...

I hope that clears things up. Even the most obvious can be difficult to comprehend on a bad day...

Brick is just mad because she knows why Bush was grounded and cannot find the proper spin...

Don't worry, Brick...none of you neocons can figure out how to handle that one. Do what they do and put your hands over your ears and run, child...

"In 2004 George Bush picked up teh highest popular vote to ever elect a president..."

Yeah, Bush even got more votes than the population in one town, Mr. Buffoon...

Robert Cox wrote: "MMFA contrasts Olbermann with a few lines taken out of context from a column by National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr."

Here's what Buckley wrote:

"There is no way, however, in which Mr. Bush can undo the sentiment he expressed to Bob Woodward four years ago:"

and :

"But even if Mr. Bush reproduced his words on a calling card to distribute among diplomats bound for Pyongyang, this would surely not affect the man who sees himself as the mental pillar and the eternal sun to the Korean people."

What does Cox mean by "out of context" in his short, innane blurb? I think the Olbywatch buffoon is taking this venerable phrase out of context.

So, Ms. Brick knows why Bush was grounded but won't share it with the rest of the world? Are you frightened, young lady?...

Watch it, blindrat; you're making the chickenhawk Prick angry on the anonymous "net", and you know what that means; Its virtual clobberin' time!

I fear the blows of Ms. Brick...yet I am compelled to watch...

Ms. Brick,

If you had served, you wouldn't be so quick to disparage the service of others, young lady. Kerry and Murtha were in war zones...where was your husband?

Rat...I hope you are enjoying Gore's second term...

I started writing this post out using your arguments and the postings listed above...but why bother...you ignore whatever bits don't agree with your philosophy and claim victory...no matter what I say, Gore says, FL says, Supreme Court, newspaper/magazine writer says you won't believe/understand/see...

no wonder your name is blind
no wonder you are so full of venomous hatred

I hope you have a wonderful circle of family and friends...you sure need them for consolation

"In neither case does MMFA provide working links to support its claims."

Why doesn't Cox bitch instead at the National Review for limiting access to its site to paid subscribers? The link provided by MMFA actually "works", its just that the free-market mercenaries at the NR force you to pay to read it.

Looks like "Olbermannwatch.com" is in the habit of posting outright lies! Robert Cox needs to appologize immediately to MMFA for his libelous allegations.

Poor Sirloin
the free-market mercenaries at the NR force you to pay to read it.

Oh my...capitalism is a terrible thing...sorry not everything is free in workers paradise

"We know loin is an atheist and I bet so is blindrat. God still loves yall no matter how stupid yall are."

Prick must go the same "Our Lady of Bed-wetting Chickenhawk Sissies" church that frequent Olbermannwatch poster cee attends. When faced with insurrmountable questions regarding his hypcritical, irrational positions both tend to pull Jesus out of their back pockets and rub his belly until the world goes away.

Here are the key parts from the Associated Press stylebook, which I presume NBC subscibes to:

FIRST NAMES: In most cases, the first name of a current or former U.S. President is not necessary on first reference. Use first names when necessary to avoid confusion ... First names also may be used for literary effect, or in feature or personality contexts...

On second reference, use only the last name of the man. Use Miss, Mrs. or Ms. or no title before the last name of a woman, depending on her preference.

***

So going by the AP's style, Keith should simply use the name Bush in his second on onward references to the president. The 'mister' is improper style according to the AP, but is used by Olbermann simply for accenting purposes in a derogatory fashion (he's also wrong to use the title 'President' on second and further reference when talking about Bill Clinton, based on what the AP says is the correct style).

"Poor Sirloin
the free-market mercenaries at the NR force you to pay to read it.

Oh my...capitalism is a terrible thing...sorry not everything is free in workers paradise"

Hey a--hole, "stick to the issue at hand", as Dollar and Cox always say. What about the proven falsehoods posted by Cox on the blurb beginning this strand? You really don't give a shit, do you?

connor,

I am sad that you see your lack of arguing skills as somehow my fault...But, judging from the way republicans take responsibility for their actions, I can understand where you get it...

I have a wonderful circle of family and friends. Thank you for asking, friend...

I tend to use the honorarium "Cocksucker" when referring to our current president. - as in: the murdering "Cocksucker" Bush.

thank you for proving my point rat

loin:
1) I have seen no proven falsehoods
2) my my my profanity and name calling already...does someone need a hug?

Connor,

I will repost the falsehoods, you motherfucking dipshit:

""In neither case does MMFA provide working links to support its claims." (Cox)

"Why doesn't Cox bitch instead at the National Review for limiting access to its site to paid subscribers? The link provided by MMFA actually "works", its just that the free-market mercenaries at the NR force you to pay to read it. (Me)"

Cox said no working links/MMFA provides working links = falshood on the part of Mr. Cox.

Clear enough, you bumblefuck?

Connor,

I will repost the falsehoods, you motherfucking dipshit:

""In neither case does MMFA provide working links to support its claims." (Cox)

"Why doesn't Cox bitch instead at the National Review for limiting access to its site to paid subscribers? The link provided by MMFA actually "works", its just that the free-market mercenaries at the NR force you to pay to read it. (Me)"

Cox said no working links/MMFA provides working links = falshood on the part of Mr. Cox.

Clear enough, you bumblefuck?

Connor,

If I've proven any of your points, it is more that you've ever done with any of your points, son...

Just kidding, son...you cannot help being unintelligent...

My goodness...are the KO defenders still whining about the 2000 election?

It's over...Bush won. Get over it.

Fact is we'll never really know how the majority of Floridians intended to vote. You guys cherry-pick facts, much like your hero KO, but conveniently forget that when the networks first announced Florida for Gore, it likely drove down turnout in the panhandle, which is overwhelmingly conservative.

What was the impact of this? I don't know. We'll never know. No matter what side of the political aisle you sit on, I would hope everyone would agree that it's unfortunate to have an election end like that. But as some point, you need to get over it.

I would hope that if it was reversed and we were in the 6th year of a Gore Presidency, that I wouldn't still be whining over 6-year old election results.

Monarch,

No, your crowd - from the lowliest closeted homo eunuch in the RNC all the way up to your retard closeted homo president are still bitching and blaming everything on Bill Clinton, whose presidency predates the six-year-old election.

loin

"I think most folks would agree that putting up links to stories behind a pay wall at National Review at Media Matters for America is about the same thing as not putting up links at all. "

Posted by: Robert Cox at October 30, 2006 09:58 AM

is THAT last line "Clear enough, you bumblefuck?"

...does someone need a hug?

goodie...now blind rat is judging me! he should ya know, because, after all he is so qualified to judge and is so non-partisan that you know anythign he deems a certain way must be true

Now you get it, Connor...

Perhaps you if used your brain, rather than bleat what you are told to bleat, you would be qualified to judge as well, son...

but how can I live without blindrat telling me what is right and what is wrong...as you said, i am merely a sheep

"I think most folks would agree that putting up links to stories behind a pay wall at National Review at Media Matters for America is about the same thing as not putting up links at all. "

Posted by: Robert Cox at October 30, 2006 09:58 AM

Connor and Cox,

What idiot would agree with that ass-covering?

What does Mr. Cox suggest that MMFA do, apart from providing the highly relevant excerpts from Buckley's NR article that they do? Does he suggest that they break the law by somehow pirating this link, or printing a facsimile of the article in its entirety? Both illegal options.

MMFA provides the citation, and that's sufficient as long as its a legitimate citation; I see no refutation of this being the case. Why doesn't the pusillanimous Mr. Cox cough up the membership cash himself to check the accuracy of MMFA's excerpt's on the original provided by the NR site? I know why, but I'd like to hear you or Cox tell me.

Dear Loin,

I apologize for using logic and reason with you. Yes, some conservatives still take issue with the Clinton Administration, from the dubious foreign policy to the personal indiscretions of the President himself. And yes, some focused on it to the point of being ridiculous.

Yet, I was not taking issue with anyone's criticism of Bush or the Administration. There's plenty to take issue with, no doubt. On that, I might actually agree with some of the criticism of President Bush.

Instead, I took issue with the 6-year cycle of whining that has followed the 2000 election.

Sorry that you couldn't see through that, and needed to rely on your poorly written, ill-conceived and thoughtless response.

loin-y still needs a hug

Monarch,

If you'd looked harder, son, you'd have seen that I started the 2000 election topic because someone stated that the term "mister" was a snipe for the contested election...

It was relevent. Calling it a "whine" is simply your way of denigrating it while pretending to be above that sort of thing. Very insincere, son...

Yes yes...bad Monarch

do not disagree with blindrat he is all powerful...he is impotent!

...and I'm talking about the six years of Clinton-whining we've gotten in lieu of governance from this current crowd of pirates.

That the 2000 election was stolen is irrefutable, and its a sad but admirable fact that the winner, Gore, exhibited his love of this country by conceding before the issue was forced to the level of a civil war by the proto-fascist pirates that stole it.

When all you've got is sarcasm, conner, you haven't got anything...

loin-y needs a proto-fascist pirate hug

Wow, Connor's got absolutely nothing... except his lurid desire to hug me.

Dear Blind Rat:

I am not your son nor am I insincere.

I know the truth hurts, but one must come to accept it. Whatever your intent was in the first place, the comments that the 2000 election was stolen, and similar inane rants followed.

You might be my son...you are being insincere...

If one election gets stolen, what keeps the next from being stolen? For the past six years the administration has done its best to EXCLUDE as many people from the voting process as possible...

This may not raise red flags for you. You might be Canadian and don't really care what happens to the USA. Those of us who live here do...

"A true American wouldn't "get over" subverting our democracy"

Who can forget the old 'Sore Loserman' days? I mean besides blindrat. Moveon.org, blindrat.

Or at least moveon.org to a better substantiated instance of voter fraud. Care to comment on the 1960 election where Richard Daley held back Chicago's returns until the rest of the state had submitted their returns? If I didn't know better it might seem like Daley was determined to give Illinois to Kennedy no matter what the voters had to say.

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did loin-y ever get a hug? even a proto-fascist pirate hug? I hope he does...good boy!

Sweetie,

Why do you neocons always bring up Chicago, as if I were born then? The democrats were the party of bigotry back then and hadn't made the change to being the good guys yet...that was done during the late sixties and early seventies.

Suddenly, the republicans were the ones opposed to civil rights legislation...

Get it? Just because it was the democratic party, doesn't mean that it was the same as it is today...

Or do you have an instance of recent democrat fraud?

connor,

Let me know when you actually point something out...

Wow, what an absurd jump in logic, blindrat. I can see why KO is a hero of yours...I disagree with you, so I must be Canadian. That's the type of clear-thinking, inclusive thought process that is a mainstay of "progressives." Next, you will make a 1984 reference, or perhaps a reference to a Twilight Zone episode from 1962.
It is any wonder I left the Democrat party with so many principled thinkers in the ranks.

The 2000 election was not stolen. The 2004 election was not stolen. Just because your guys lost, doesn't make it less valid.
In 2000, Gore won the popular vote. He did not win the electoral vote. That's a fact. Sometimes in democracy, things don't go the way we think they should.

Falling back on such hyperbole as the next election may be stolen too, strikes me as...hmmm...what's the word I'm looking for...wait...it'll come to me...waiting...waiting....ah yes...

INSINCERE.

yes, blind rat, please ignore all of my earlier posts (wait, you already did)...now show me the way to liberal enlightenment...what should I do to be more like you?

"For the past six years the administration has done its best to EXCLUDE as many people from the voting process as possible"

Most notably with the Negro and Swarthy Persons Poll Tax of 2004. And then the Hispanics Vote Through the Service Entrance Only Act that Bush signed this year.

But Bush can't even suppress voting right (let alone Iraq): more than 10 million 'extra' people managed to vote in 2004 than in 2000.

Sweetie...please note, the neocons voted for those items before they voted against them

(or is it the other way around?)

Monarch,

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you are against one man one vote, a tenet that our country was founded upon, you aren't much of an American.

Now, do you believe that Gore lost the popular vote in Florida? If not, then your postings are simply nonsense...

Connor,

For some reason I will tgry one more time:

- Cox said "no working link" at MMFA in regard to the original source of the lengthy and relevant excerts of Buckley's NR article;

- there IS in fact a working link - it just happens to be a pay-link by demand of the NR

This clearly represents a lie by Olbermannwatch.

- You say that Cox effectively counters this by saying "I think most folks would agree that putting up links to stories behind a pay wall at National Review at Media Matters for America is about the same thing as not putting up links at all."

- I say this is bullshit pulled straight out of Cox's ass. Are you suggesting that an internet pay-wall negates any use of factual material printed in an actual, physical magazine? That is a preposterous standard, and in any opinion-debate represents the logical equivalent of running away with big pant-load.

Olbermannwatch posted this clear, unequivocal lie, and you just don't kn ow what to do about it.

Sweetie,

Most notably by having insufficient facilities in minority areas, insufficient registration materials, charging people for a special voter id (speaking of poll tax) and intimidating people with threats of arrest...

See, when you are sarcastic, it shows that you are shooting blanks. Hope that I taught you something...

yeah Monarch...if you count ALL the FL 200 ballots, even the illegitimate ones, then Gore wins!

see blindrat, I am helping you now!

Why does the person poked with the stick always the last to know? I guess that's why he gets poked.

loin-y...i gotta get some lunch...try to find a hug before I get back...mmmmkay?

I'm not playing your silly game, blindrat. And if you actually read what I write above, a reasonable person can deduce what I think of the 2000 election.
Frankly, I don't care if you think what I post is nonsense. I've read your postings and I take what you write with a grain of salt and, preferably, with a shot of vodka.

Now, you're trying to say that I'm against the one-man, one-vote principle. Before, you claimed that I wasn't even an American citizen. The adjectives you choose are amusing, because your logic is nonsensical.

I'm not playing your silly game, blindrat. And if you actually read what I write above, a reasonable person can deduce what I think of the 2000 election.
Frankly, I don't care if you think what I post is nonsense. I've read your postings and I take what you write with a grain of salt and, preferably, with a shot of vodka.

Now, you're trying to say that I'm against the one-man, one-vote principle. Before, you claimed that I wasn't even an American citizen. The adjectives you choose are amusing, because your logic is nonsensical.

At this point, I don't need logic...

I stated that the term "Mr. Bush" was appropriate because the lost the election. I proved my point. That was where the need for logic ended...

The rest of my posts have been mostly attempts to taunt the neocons into looking into their lack of facts and proof for what they believe in...

As for "insincere", I suppose I could've talked about you putting a kotex into your mouth like Brick did...

Is that how you do it on this board...?

You don't need logic?
Good, because you haven't used any of it yet.

You say your purpose is to taunt "neocons" and their lack of facts?

So, you admit your're a troll, then. Ok.

Next, I know that neocon is now a buzz word across the blue blogs. But you might be surprised that not everyone here is a neocon.

It's like when folks do the "so what if KO play with facts, so does O'Reilly." I can't help but laugh, because I can't stand O'Reilly. How citing when O'Reilly plays loose with facts justifies Olbermann is still beyond me, but luckily you right-thinking progressives are here to set us straight.

But I guess it really should not come as much of a surprise how bad political discourse is now and how divided this country is when we're still fighting over the 2000 election.

How about this...those of us who didn't like Clinton never talk about his personal indiscretions and those who don't like Bush never talk about the 2000 election again. Maybe that way, someone in this country can actually talk about something that matters.

A troll posts simply to get answers. I post to educate. If you don't agree with the points that I make, refute them; however, you seem to think that the points SHOULDN'T be made. Very republican of you, Monarch...

Refute what? Your contention that Gore won the 2000 election? History has already done that.

Of course, you SHOULD make all the points you like. That's your right. I, however, have the right to dispute your points, which is really what seems to tick you off. Very republican of you, blindrat.

I stated that Gore had more votes than Bush in Florida. You didn't refute this, son...

Well, if you were right, then Gore would be President. That's called a refute, son.

A stolen election is still a stolen election, son...

Too bad you are a pragmatist...

Do as I do and just refer to the most powerful man on the face of Earth, as thief in charge since he has failed to win an election outside of the state of Texas. I saw the " Death of a President " over the weekend in a rich,, rich area of Newport Beach California in one of the most strongly conservative counties in the US. Orange County, The theatre was packed with people who clapped when the evil shit was shot... finally a movie with a happy ending.

Well, first you questioned whether I am an American. Then you question whether I believe in one-man, one-vote. Then you call me a republican (small r).

Now I'm a pragmatist, which doesn't seem to be much of an insult. Admit it...I'm beginning to win you over.

An election is not stolen just because one disputes the outcome. You talk about people not refuting what you say, but I haven't heard one word about what happened in the panhandle. It's an hour behind the rest of the State, and when the news networks declared that Gore won Florida, it depressed the vote in that region.

How much? I don't know. Maybe Bush would have won by an even larger margin. Maybe it would have been insignificant? I've read very good analysis on both sides of the issue.

I don't want to see a repeat of 2000. It demonstrated how archaic our processes are in many parts of this country, not just Florida.

Whether the guy you liked won or not, the process was played out. No one came out smelling nicely, but the votes were counted, and recounted and recounted. The election was decided, not stolen and to continue to beat the deadhorse seems pointless to me.

What continues to bother me is the mentality of folks like the poster here who talk about "Death of the President." It's frightening because many, NOT ALL by any means, who still whine about the 2000 election actually find a piece of trash like that to be art.

And please note that while I was typing my long-winded post, Bill O'Leilly posted and demonstrated one of my concerns.

The Monarch.... Do yuou think people should be stricken from the voters rolls for crimes they have committed in the future ? Greg Palast wrote " The best democracy money can buy " where he shows actual excel logs from the state of Florida that shows hundreds of people stricken for crimes they had committed in 2007, a full 7 years before the theft of 2000. Don't buy the book ,, go to the bookstore... look it up it is on page 55

The Monarch.... Do yuou think people should be stricken from the voters rolls for crimes they have committed in the future ? Greg Palast wrote " The best democracy money can buy " where he shows actual excel logs from the state of Florida that shows hundreds of people stricken for crimes they had committed in 2007, a full 7 years before the theft of 2000. Don't buy the book ,, go to the bookstore... look it up it is on page 55

Greg Palast? That's the BBC reporter who broke the story that Kerry really won Ohio and New Mexico, right?

Wasn't there also a warrant issued for his arrest?

I admit...I forget the circumstances for the 2nd question...just saw a blurb about it somewhere awhile ago. I don't recall how it turned out.

Point is that your source isn't exactly considered an objective source. It would be like me citing Bill O'Reilly's investigation.

I must miss your point. Mister is too nice for W. Soon he will be known as prisoner 1347634.

Dear Conner, don't ask me to give him a hug. Now you went and got my gag reflex going.

Bad Conner. Grammie doesn't like that when she is getting ready for dinner.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Palast, Pascarella Face Homeland Security Charges
Published by Greg Palast September 7th, 2006 in Articles
by Zach Roberts

Yes, the rumor's true. Greg Palast is facing a criminal complaint from the Department of Homeland Security stemming from his filming the Hurricane Katrina investigation for Link TV and Democracy Now. The film's producer, Matt Pascarella, is also facing the legal wrath of Big Brother.

It appears the complaint is about filming a sensitive national security site owned by Exxon petroleum. It seems that photographing major Bush donors is now a federal offense.

Reached at an undisclosed location, Palast says, "Let's not get over-excited. They haven't measured us for our orange suits yet."

During questioning by Homeland Security, Palast asked, "Hey, aren't you supposed to be looking for Osama? Or for guys with exploding shoes? ... We're journalists." At Palast's request, Homeland Security confirmed that Louisiana is, indeed, still part of the USA but did not respond when asked if the First Amendment applies there.

Watch part one and part two of Palast/Pascarella's film. (In association with BigNoise Films) BigNoise Videographer Jaqui Soohen has not been charged

Big crime by Palast,,,, imagine people wanting to cover up for an oil company. Why would that happen ?

Gore would have won if all the votes had been counted? When will this end?

FOR THE LAST TIME: Before the election, standards are set for how ballots should be counted. "Undervotes" and "overvotes" have always been discarded. This idea that "if the overvotes and undervotes had been counted, Gore would have won," falls flat. Why? Because, here's a little question none of you imbeciles ever considered: HOW EXACTLY SHOULD THEY BE COUNTED?! How should an undervote--a ballot MISSING ANY SELECTION FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE-- be "counted"? How should an overvote-- a ballot where TWO presidential candidates are selected-- be counted? What are your ideas? Hiring a pyschic?

Please visit this website if you at all wish to be informed. The fact is that Bush didn't steal the election. Al Gore unsuccessfully attempted to illegally take the election that by all legal means, belonged to Bush. http://www.florida2000election.com/

Gore would have won if all the votes had been counted? When will this end?

FOR THE LAST TIME: Before the election, standards are set for how ballots should be counted. "Undervotes" and "overvotes" have always been discarded. This idea that "if the overvotes and undervotes had been counted, Gore would have won," falls flat. Why? Because, here's a little question none of you imbeciles ever considered: HOW EXACTLY SHOULD THEY BE COUNTED?! How should an undervote--a ballot MISSING ANY SELECTION FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE-- be "counted"? How should an overvote-- a ballot where TWO presidential candidates are selected-- be counted? What are your ideas? Hiring a pyschic?

Please visit this website if you at all wish to be informed. The fact is that Bush didn't steal the election. Al Gore unsuccessfully attempted to illegally take the election that by all legal means, belonged to Bush. http://www.florida2000election.com/

MSNBC... please address Greg Palast proof that people were stricken from the voters rolls because of crimes they were said to have committed in the future ...

Courtesy requires any person elected president of the US should be addressed as Mr./Ms President. This is also a lifelong title, not just during term(s) served. This includes former Presidents. Until Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (Sr), and Clinton are all referred to as President (insert name here), can we really complain that Bush (Jr) is not called President?

Palast's book is not proof. It's fabrication. It's been refuted already. Next.

Media Matters is not so bad... they gave Jhonny$ credit (no pun intended) on Banderas' little Dare...

Crazy Cox, you so Crazy!

- the "Ultra Left" Media Matters hasn't attacked OlbermannWatch, as much as you may want that to be true, in fact the only time this site or "Marky Dollar" is mentioned is in the transcript of the NRO dope's column.

- How exactly were Buckley's words "taken out of context" in respect to him referring to "Mr. Bush"? (here's a hint - they weren't!)

- And really, no links to "support their claims"? Does this mean Media Matters is lying? Do you have access to a Nexis/Lexis/Texas/Lexus machine to find out the truth?

I will make this pledge: If Media Matters is wrong on this, I will donate 25 dollars to support OlbermannWatch. I can spare it!

Please Robert, if Media Matters is lying the world needs to know!! And jeez Louise, after how they "attacked" OlbermannWatch ("the salient point here") I'd think you'd be fired up to expose the UltraLeftSorosFundedMediaMattersForAmerica folks for the lying liars that they are!

Or... they could be right, and you're a dope.

Crazy Cox, you so Crazy!

- the "Ultra Left" Media Matters hasn't attacked OlbermannWatch, as much as you may want that to be true, in fact the only time this site or "Marky Dollar" is mentioned is in the transcript of the NRO dope's column.

- How exactly were Buckley's words "taken out of context" in respect to him referring to "Mr. Bush"? (here's a hint - they weren't!)

- And really, no links to "support their claims"? Does this mean Media Matters is lying? Do you have access to a Nexis/Lexis/Texas/Lexus machine to find out the truth?

I will make this pledge: If Media Matters is wrong on this, I will donate 25 dollars to support OlbermannWatch. I can spare it!

Please Robert, if Media Matters is lying the world needs to know!! And jeez Louise, after how they "attacked" OlbermannWatch ("the salient point here") I'd think you'd be fired up to expose the UltraLeftSorosFundedMediaMattersForAmerica folks for the lying liars that they are!

Or... they could be right, and you're a dope.

Calling G. W. Bush "mister" is more than he deserves. I would suggest "Dimwit" Bush, "Liar" Bush or "War Criminal" Bush as more appropriate alternatives.

wow Cyndi- your point is spoken like the true liberal cunt that you are.

Krazy Keith is King of the Krass
A buffoon who posesses no class
His dad is no mister
A lunatic sister
And his mom has her head up her ass

Someone asked the question here why President Bush was grounded from flying when he was in the National Gaurd? If he thinks he knows the answer he should share it with us all.

As far as I can remember, this is the reason he spent his last few months at a National Guard post in Alabama? that led to the claim he violated a direct order from a superior to take a flight readiness physical.

The aircraft he trained on was retired from active service at that time and replaced with a different aircraft. Training for flight is a very expensive proposition. Rather than start training that he would not have time to complete he was assigned to a different duty.

I see this as a proper use of money and facilities. The money would have been wasted and he would have occupied a slot that could be used to train someone who would be there to utilize his training.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

I can not wait to see what Olbermann Watch's picture is going to be for Halloween... Oh... but don't make it "just him is scary enough"... put some thought into it!!!

Si' I bet herr Olbermeister dresses up as himself tonight...oooooh scary enough as is. meridit your iambic pentameter is divine today! Ryhming and sliming- well done.

Grammy,

I really don't unequivocally know why he was grounded from the TANG, although I have always heard it was for missing a required physical. I've also heard as explanations that he jsut plain sucked, and that he got too far behind in flight-time to be allowed to waste any more fuel.

I do know, however, why he chose to sign up for the TANG during war-time. Bush's own words:

"I'm saying to myself, 'What do I want to do?' I think I don't want to be an infantry guy as a private in Vietnam. What I do decide to want to do is learn to fly."

George W, Bush, Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 1989

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

George W. Bush, Dallas Morning News, Feb. 25, 1990

"I don't want to play like I was somebody out there marching when I wasn't. It was either Canada or the service. ... Somebody said the Guard was looking for pilots. All I know is, there weren't that many people trying to be pilots."

George W. Bush, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Nov. 29, 1998

...C-H-I-C-K-E-N-H-A-W-K

...a pampered, trust-fund, better-than-you/better-than-me, American royalty CHICKENHAWK!

wow sir lean of barf tell us how you REALLY feel. not that we care but it is funny for you to be so paasionate , so emphatic that it took three posts to show us all here just how dumb you really are. As if we needed more proof you always come thru and prove once again that you can be conted on to say the stupidest things at precisely the right time.
are you really John Kerry?

Litle Lord Fauntleroy; Don "of the Dead" Rumsfeld;and Darth Cheney are gong to wind up before a tribunal at the Hague. They'll be in jail the rest of their lives.

"Subpoena Power"

man sir lean of queef I'll just bet that you and O'leilly don't even have one whole brain cell between the two fo you. still can't get over Lurch Kerry losing in '04 can ya?? you are a good progressive loin of chicken. you follow your hero the olbytards marching orders well.
But Kerry STILL is a liberla dope and he STILL lost! now get youreslf a tissue, dry your little eyes and GET OVER IT.

The use of the address "Mr. Bush" in the op ed....and the number of times it was used in Buckley's article is accurate. From what i can gather, this posting is merely an attempt to pat yourself on the back for a mention on a popular left-wing website. Your claim that "no working links" were provided is a lie. I am a subscriber to the national review, and i have verified mmfa's account of the article. Nice "Kerry style" flip-flop on the "pay wall" bit though. I got a good laugh out of that. Congrats....we're very happy that you scour the internet for some hint of bestowed legitimacy.

Olbermann may be a fool...but trying to nail him for his means of addressing the president is so lame i weep for you. Neocons like you, and your odormman obsessed ilk, have perverted true conservative values as to make them illegible.

It's sad when the public discourse is filled with polar wing ideologues, brainwashed by the likes of Sean Hannity and Al Franken, and incapable of an ounce of informed, original political opinion. If I had my way....sites like the daiy kos and red state would disappear from public consideration, and be replaced with a forum open and honest debate. Let the mudslinging begin.