There is no doubt that your e-mail includes the name "Katy"...

Notice Orangeman hasn't tried to spin the ratings recently?

Last night, he finished LAST. Dead LAST. LAST out 5 cable shows. LAST in his coveted demo. LAST in everything. LOSER.

He just tried to spin the ratings from every day but Thursday. We'll remind him of his last-place finish in case he forgot already because he's old.

Bigred:

Where did YOU finish last night? Did you have 595,000 viewers.....or readers? That, after finishing second the previous two days.

So thats your definition of a "loser".

I can't believe that "liberal" paper the Army Times is calling for Rummy's resignation.

keiths hair still green tonight

Hey Johnny, did you miss the show again tonight? Sure seems like it.

Can somone tell me did he really wear that green suit, red tie and a blue stripes shirt? Is that his Halloween costume>

Whoever can criticize what Keith reported on tonight with facts to dispute his claims first will get a prize! So far it's all commentary on his clothing, hair and ratings. No substance.

No, that was a little green (and orange) spaceman you saw on MSLSD.

Sorry, I did not watch his show, I am just curious about the picture on this page. I cannot believe a man like him will dress like that. He looks like a clown.

I cannot watch a man full of hate on TV.

Apparently, no one else could stomach him either, judging by Thursday's ratings.

Correct. KO is my definition of a loser. Take a look at the long list of slanderous names he uses on anyone who might happen to be a Republican.

The fact that he finished dead last in the ratings the night after his pathetic special comment trying to defend John Kerry's defenseless remarks back up that he is a shallow, pathetic, partisan loser.

Yes, it's true. Keith really did have green hair tonight.

Do not adjust your television set; Olby is The Blob.

It is true -- Olby was in 5th place Thursday in both his total and his demo numbers:

8PM - P2+ (25-54)

1. O’Reilly Factor – 2,610,000 viewers (502,000)

2. Situation Room – 775,000 viewers (246,000)

3. Nancy Grace – 642,000 viewers (200,000)

4. 1 VS. 100 – 568,000 viewers (228,000)

5. Countdown w/ Olbermann – 549,000 viewers (177,000)

Now that is pathetic. What the Hell is 1 VS 100 anyway? Oh well, Olby was excited there for a while, but I guess the two Nielsen homes watching him have either stopped being polled or have been arrested for planning a suicide bombing mission.

Crazy Keith and that bimbo were discussing the Christian Right,and the name of David Kuo came up. When I saw Kuo on 60 minutes a few weeks ago I thought he was kind of weird but I couldn't put my finger on it. But it just hit me. Kuo must be a closeted gay!

But what is Keith, then? He must be an illegal alien from the planet Uranus.

Gee, I wonder if Keith's retarded viewers were smart enough to see what a lying hack he was when he defended John Kerry and decided to stop watching?

1 VS 100 is a game show. Olby again was beaten by a game show. Was the game show a repeat?

Citizen Keith reasserted himself tonight as Master of His Domain. Olby's curve ball was meaty beaty big and bouncy and his guests were all too willing to hit the ball out into left field.

Olby had his Wheaties tonight after an off night.

I'm sure we will see a special comment on Monday Night. Olby and his guts will spill out onto the teleprompter.

Can you image the guys in the tape room watching this spewing volcano?

KO, keep the lithium close by on Election Night. The big bad Rove is coming to steal the election. You will have to sleep with the closet light on for some time to come.

Olby probably had his guests carefully screened so as to avoid a gaffe like last night's when Tom Rick's didn't stay with the game plan. Clear-thinkers are not welcome in Olbyland.

Declaration of Principles...I am the anchorman of the "Meltdown".

As such, it is my duty - I'll let you in on a little secret, it is also my pleasure - to see to it that decent, hard-working people of this city are not robbed blind by a group of Republicans.

God help them, they have no one to look after their interests! I'll let you in on another little secret, I think I'm the man to do it. You see, I have Dan Abrams backing me now - I'm Citizen Keith Olbyloon.

Last place........Wow!...........Guess those special comments ( For the short bus crowd.) just aren't so special anymore.

What's with the Green Hair? Must be Rove again manipulating the MSNBC signal.

LOL. I must admit this 'email' is funny. Completely ludicrous, but at least funny.
You know if only KO had "great thanksed" him it would have shown that KO wasn't upset with his analysis. After all, according to Johnny the only people who get "great thanksed" are people who agree with KO.

Oh, that's right he DID get "great thanksed". Hmm ...

This just in --

According to the AP, two Nielsen families living in a hippy bus were killed Thursday at 7:59 PM. No wonder Olby's ratings dropped.

Y'know I really have to get a new tape (yes I'm still using tapes) or tape over the old one. The one I have still has that idiot Trippi on it and it's a bit annoying that everytime I rewind I always wind up on him.

Bigred:

You think OB is a loser, and that is fine, although I question your definition of a "loser". For one thing, a loser wouldn't have a small army of detractors dedicated to trying to take him down.

I think our President is a loser and is running our great country over a cliff, and it is refreshing to see SOMEONE in the media standing up to him, AND all of his lapdogs. No one else is doing it! You people just want to shut up an opposition voice you happen to disagree with....how un-American!

Mike,

No one is trying to shut Olbermoron up. We're just pointing out his hypocrisy. You cannot call yourself a serious news man when all you do is offer a very, very slanted side to every single story you cover.

As for finally having SOMEONE in the media stand up to Bush... maybe you live in a cave, but the mainstream media hates Bush with a passion. Watch a White House briefing sometime. They try everything they can to bring Bush down.

Olbermoron has the right to his opinion. He has the right to voice it. What he doesn't have the right to do is call it "news".

He loves to bash FOX, but at least on FOX there are commentators who are liberal and conservative. You receive opposing viewpoints. Tell me how many opposing viewpoints KO has on his show.

Since there were no comments on the "OlbyLoons Hate Mail" post I thought I would post it here.
Where were all the "OlbyLoons Hate Mail"? Instead of OlbyLoon emails, there was a mix of more anti-KO emails and less pro-KO emails.

The closest thing I could find was "You sound more than a little arrogant to me" which is far from "Hate Mail"

Of course, "OlbyLoons Hate Mail" wouldn't be a fabricated inaccuracy would it? Of course not.

You have to understand his audience. Thursday night is the first night of the weekend at most colleges especially commuter schools in the north east. Most kids work it out not to have classes on Fridays (most class schedules are Mon&Wed or Tue&Thu) so they really get drunk and waysted on Thursday night. I would say that takes out at least a third of his crowd. It's kind of like Saturday night is the lowest night of ratings for people who work.

And, of course, that half-million plus audience is so low that no doubt he'll be cancelled waaaayyyy before Scarborough, Tucker or Matthews.

It's funny how when Keith's ratings climb, to Olbyhaters this means nothing, but then one low day means everything. Keith is terrible! The ratings prove it!

Anyhow, I haven't watched Countdown in a while because it has gotten too predictable lately, but I didn't feel like getting off the couch right away after Hardball tonight, and I have to say- hats off to Keith for being one of the few journalists who made the nuclear information issue the big deal that it is. CNN, Fox, and most media web sites mentioned the issue only in passing, and were quick to present the Republican spin "this proves Saddam wanted nukes" (duh, the reason for the invasion was Bush claimed he already had WMD, and this reason suddenly changed once again today evidently). The story was off CNN's home page by midday. But it should not have been- this was a serious breach of national security- the Bush administration has given a how-to book on nuclear weapons to terrorists worldwide.

What amazed me the most was the conservative response. Be honest, had Democrat leadership and a Democrat president been responsible for this disaster, Republicans would be screaming "treason" and calling for resignations in congress. No doubt impeachment proceedings would be in the works- "how could Democrats be so careless to give this information away to our enemies?? They must want the terrorists to win!!!" But instead of being upset, conservatives have entered full spin mode, claiming that the new, real, and final reason we invaded Iraq was not because we thought Saddam had WMD, but that because he was close to getting them which this revealed data allegedly proves. Conservatives are also trying to claim, without evidence of their own and despite evidence to the contrary (according to NYT), that this classified information was already freely available online anyway (why would it have been classified then???).

The government blew it, and conservatives are once again putting party before country by trying to pretend this national security disaster is a ho-hum no big deal.

Thank's Keith, for having the brass to take on this issue when most others in the corporate media were more interested in promoting the John Kerry non-story that's three days old. And thumbs down to conservatives who proved they could care less about our national security- spin is all that matters to them.

"Tell me how many opposing viewpoints KO has on his show."

Be careful what you wish for. Olby is far from stupid, and he is quick with his tongue. He'd carve up most in a debate. It's not wise to underestimate your adversary. I think VP Cheney is a misguided, gutless weasel if asked to describe him but I would not leave out that I do think he is also extremely intelligent.

Indie...

surely, you jest. The only thing Olby would carve up is a turkey.

L.F.-

Save the carved turkey remarks for Cheney. He looks like he's concealing a basketball under his shirt.

Indie,

Are you freaking kidding me? Did you watch when he finally had a conservative (Ashcroft) on a few weeks back. The guy is one of the most boring speakers around but Olbermoron was so baffled to be talking to someone that didn't echo his ridiculous point of view that he didn't know what to say.

Ditto with Ricks last night. The "quick witted" KO was completely flustered.

Dick Cheney would eat KO for breakfast, then be crapping green and orange the rest of the day.

Wait till election night. Olby will look like a freak show with his "peers"

Big Red,

Again, I think Cheney is very intelligent. There are very few he wouldn't beat in a debate. If Olby debated someone like O'Reilly he'd make Bill look as stupid Johnny Dollar would look on Jeopardy. (Sorry $. I just couldn't resist.)

No Bigred:

Faux's style of "debate" using "liberals" and conservatives is NOT an example of true and honest debate. Take O'reilly for example, the last time I watched him earlier this week, he had both in a particular "debate". Toward the end, he cut off the "liberal" off and added his own right wing commentary to the contrary...and that was it!

The last time I watched Hume, he actually called a Democratic Congressman a "whiner" to his face. That disgusted me so much, I just turned it off. Can you see Anderson Cooper doing that?

Why do you think Fox's own Tony Snow was chosen to be Press Secretary? He was already part of the extended pro - Bush Faux family. It wasn't really that much of a change.

Do you really call Colmes a representative "Liberal"? By his own admission, he is a moderate, and he doesn't have one tenth the charisma or debating ability of Hannity. Do you think this is an accident?

You and people like Rush think the mainstream media hates Bush, but I can't detemine whether they hate him or whether they like him...and that is actually a credit to their objectivity.

I have heard no one else stand up against the loss of Habeas Corpus, no other commentaries calling Bush on his practice of politicing 911, the war, and implying the People who oppose his damned war are "weak" or un-American.

What you people fail to grasp is that there a lot of Americans who feel the way we do who are delighted that someone on the mass media is FINALLY putting into words the way we have been feeling for some time.

Sandy,

"One low day" when talking about KO's ratings is an oxymoron. Every day is a low day. He averages third in his time slot.

O'Reilly has 5 times the audience KO does.

O'Reilly's 11pm repeat has double KO's audience.

FOX's morning and daytime shows bury Olbermoron's.

His rating are way, way down the list when compared to the rest of cable news.

His audience isn't going to grow beyond the blue bloggers, either. Anyone who saw Wednesday's Special-Ed Comment knows this guy is completely clueless.

The best post tonight on this page is by Sandy above. You guys should read it with an open mind.

1 VS 100 is a game show. Olby again was beaten by a game show. Was the game show a repeat?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 3, 2006 10:14 PM
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yes, it originally broadcasts on NBC (tonight in fact) but re-runs on CNBC...those ratings are for the CNBC rerun (actually the game show isn't bad...beats Howie and any (non)reality show)

Why are you people so hung up with OB's ratings compared to O'reilly's. Popular does not equal right!

MSNBC as a whole is in third place, and OB is their ratings leader. He doesn't have the inherent advantage of a strong lead in audience from an earlier show that he might enjoy on a more popular network

Rush is popular to, but it is hard for me to respect anyone who takes him seriously.

> The last time I watched Hume, he actually called a Democratic Congressman a "whiner" to his face.

This is exactly the kind of off-topic, change-the-subject Olbyloons make when they cannot defend their orange and green hero. But I think I'll play along. When was it you supposedly heard Hume call an alleged Dem Congressman a "whiner" "to his face"? Who was the whiner?

I'm not saying you made this up, but it has about a slight odor of the fabrication. I'm sure you can clear this up.

Whoever can criticize what Keith reported on tonight with facts to dispute his claims
Posted by: indierik at November 3, 2006 09:18 PM
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rik--being that KO is a NEWSCASTER (snicker, snicker, chortle, giggle), I pose you this question:

Shouldn't he report the news and IF he makes any CLAIMS, they should be backed up by ACTUAL FACTS (not KO made up ones) that have been verified by MORE THAN ONE SOURCE? -- At least, that was what they referred to as journalism at my high school paper--

By the way rik, did you like how KO and the NYT admit that Saddam was so incredibly close to having Nuclear weapons? I'll bet you're glad W sent our troops over after all!

PS: Once again, the set looks real dark except for an unflatttering light right behind the too close camera...and I thought I saw the PA from our local cable access show CYLON CHAT walk by eating a sandwich in the background...did the cuts hit MSNBC already?

For all you people who still love George W Bush, has it occurred to you that those of us who think he is ruining this country are constantly being bombarded by him and his talking points whenever we turn on ANY media, every day, several times each hour? It gets a little tiring having to sit through his tired old rants in order to watch the rest of the news or commentary.

I'm going to say one good thing about Bush....he is a great cheerleader for his cause....no president has ever been better at this. Remember, he was a college cheerleader. Unfortunately, campaigning is the only thing he does well.

the reason for the invasion was Bush claimed he already had WMD

* Posted by: Sandy at November 3, 2006 10:53 PM

Sandy...I'm going to break some news to you...

Iraq DID have WMDs.

That is a Fact.

The question was not whether or not Iraq had WMDs, the question was what did they do with them between 1991 - 2003

I'll leave you with the words of Bill Clinton in 1998 when he went to War with Iraq:

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors"

I thought that Countdown was just a local cable access show. You mean there are lots of people, maybe hundreds even, watching Crazy Keith all accross the country? Wow.

The reason the lighting is so dim, and off kilter, is because Countdown's alloted "carbon footprint" is being exceeded by Keith's big mouth. If they turned up the lighting Keith would have to shut up. If that happened, and the torch were to be dropped, life as we know it on planet earth would cease to exist.

Out of curiosity does anyone know what BobbyC will be doing, blog-wise, for election day (D-Day?).

I find it interesting that RCP has a projection of the Dems gaining +6 seats in the Senate. I'm very skeptical of that, but what I'm most curious about is:
1) Weather projections show rain in TN, and VA so how will that effect the vote?
2) How will having to vote for Foley effect the chances for Negron?
3) How will the name of "Sekula-Gibbs" effect DeLay's old seat?
4) Will RWers who say they will vote for Lieberman actually do it or will they vote for Schlesinger(R)?

Johnny:

I don't fabricate and I know what I heard. At the time, I didn't think I would have to document the offense later in a blog comment. If I had, I would have documented the date and the guest. I was merely using this as an EXAMPLE of why this so called news channel is NOT "fair and balanced", as you anti Olby people really seem to believe.

To be more specific, in a response to a point made by the Congressman, Hume stated that he didn't "hear anyone else whining about this". An obvious reference to the Congressman as a whiner.

As for your other point, I don't have a clue how to debate or defend Olbermann without comparing his show to other shows, and other networks. You have already made the point that "he has claimed to have a news show", and it is actually an opinion show. On that point, I agree, however, his watchers are not stupid. They know they are watching an opinion show. If they are like me, they have already watched or listened to 3 or 4 news broadcasts or opinion shows by the time Olby comes on.

For all you people who still love George W Bush, has it occurred to you that those of us who think he is ruining this country are constantly being bombarded by him and his talking points whenever we turn on ANY media, every day, several times each hour? It gets a little tiring having to sit through his tired old rants in order to watch the rest of the news or commentary.

Posted by: Mike at November 3, 2006 11:43 PM
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seriously, do you only watch the rnc closed circuit feed?

The morning shows all favor the D's
The Nightly news shows all favor the d's
the entirety of the MSM favors the d's

you can't get away from THEIR tlaking points

The reason Bush invaded Iraq is because Saddam said that Saddam had WMDs. By not fully complying with UN Security Council Resolutions on WMDs Saddam was effectively saying "Yo Infidels! I got WMDs! Watcha gonna do about?"

Bush said "Kick your ass, raghead!" Bush did so, but then became too politically correct to do what has to be done to end the insurgency. That is a real shame.

"Iraq DID have WMDs."

LOL. I'm sure you have all that proof that Iraq had WMDs by the time of the invasion. You know all that proof that refutes the proof that has consistently shown that they did NOT have WMDs.

"If they are like me, they have already watched or listened to 3 or 4 news broadcasts or opinion shows by the time Olby comes on."
Or have read newspapers and internet sources if they watch Olby at all.

Sandy-

Nice post, well thought out and finely worded...however...

please note that the documents that wre up on the website had previously been distirbuted by the IAEA to its 142 member nations including Iran...thus the lack of fanfare elsewhere and the lack of treason

Thanks for playing anyway and check on a few more sources next time...I love reading your stuff!

If they are like me, they have already watched or listened to 3 or 4 news broadcasts or opinion shows by the time Olby comes on.

* Posted by: Mike at November 3, 2006 11:57 PM

Right on, Mike!

We on the Left are very news savvy.

By the time Mr. Olbermann comes on, I've already gotten up to speed on the days events from watching the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.

When Keith's excellent, unbiased, insightful, and award-winning news program comes on, I'm fully aware of the most important stories of the day. Everything from Borat's new movie to the Colbert YouTube challenge.

*** Democrats in '06...entertaining stoners since the 1960's ***

Posted by: connor at November 4, 2006 12:00 AM

Yeah, right, that's why we were constantly bombarded for TWO DAYS about the Kerry non-issue, or why we have to sit through missing white girl to missing white girl, or why whenever Bush holds any unimportant press conference we have to listen to it.

ram:

did you like how KO and the NYT admit that Saddam was so incredibly close to having Nuclear weapons? I'll bet you're glad W sent our troops over after all!
Posted by: Anonymous at November 3, 2006 11:40 PM

Whats with Colbert's ears? They don't match. That one looks deformed. Very gross! Couldn't he get that fixed or something? Whenever I see him that is all I notice.

Conner:

Can't you see that these shows APPEAR to be backing the Dems because your politics are so far to the right? Because of your own bias, you noticed every percieved slight or omission, and immediately conclude that it is all part of a larger official medea "slant".

I will readily admit that OB's show is left leaning, but thats OK. It is a good example to you of a show that actually DOES lean left, just like Fox leans right.

Unless you disbelieve the polls regarding how the vast majority of Americans believe we are heading in the wong direction, then why would you have an issue if the mainstream media seems (to you) to reflect the same general opinion?

LOL. I'm sure you have all that proof that Iraq had WMDs by the time of the invasion. You know all that proof that refutes the proof that has consistently shown that they did NOT have WMDs.

* Posted by: radmod at November 4, 2006 12:04 AM

Are you talking about the same WMD proof cited by Bill Clinton in 1998 when he attacked Iraq?

> in a response to a point made by the Congressman, Hume stated that he didn't "hear anyone else whining about this".

Well, one of the reasons this doesn't ring true is I don't know where this supposed exchange would have taken place. Hume doesn't interview Congressmen on his nightly program. He doesn't interview them on Fox News Sunday either, where he is a member of the roundtable panel. So that just leaves me confused. If you say you saw it, I'm not calling you a liar. I just dont believe you are remembering correctly whatever it is you saw.

Ispeak:

Cute post, but I'm trying to figure out how you are seeing the Daily Show and Colbert BEFORE Olbermann's? In my area, they come on later.

Saith bigred

"Dick Cheney would eat KO for breakfast, then be crapping green and orange the rest of the day."

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Cute post, but I'm trying to figure out how you are seeing the Daily Show and Colbert BEFORE Olbermann's? In my area, they come on later.

* Posted by: Mike at November 4, 2006 12:13 AM

Dude, what kind of evil Republican-run city are you living in where they suppress news from the Comedy Channel? It runs them at least 3 times a day where I live.

I speak:

They are called "reruns"......Dude!

"Are you talking about the same WMD proof cited by Bill Clinton in 1998 when he attacked Iraq?"

I remember this! That's when the Republicans thought Lewinsky was a bigger threat to our national security than anyone in the middle east could possibly be.

"Bush said "Kick your ass, raghead!" - Rico

And more racist remarks from the Olby Watch community.

Connor wrote "Sandy-

"please note that the documents that wre up on the website had previously been distirbuted by the IAEA to its 142 member nations including Iran...thus the lack of fanfare elsewhere and the lack of treason"

Do you have a source for your claim that all of these documents were already made available to Iran, among other nations?

In fact, according to the report

"Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures."

Why would they protest the information and express shock if they themselves already gave the documents to Iran and 141 other countries? That doesn't make much sense. Are you challenging this particular claim from the Times? If so, I would appreciate your sharing your evidence. Thanks.

Mike - paranoid much on the R alking points?

Sandy - at the little box near the top of your screen type "www.google.com"...I hope you can figure things out from there

G'Night folks...enjoy the veal!

They are called "reruns"......Dude!

* Posted by: Mike at November 4, 2006 12:22 AM

Yes, I know. And, I'm sure you'll agree, they're just as insightful and informative regarding Borat's movie and the YouTube Star Wars kid when shown the next day.

If only there was a way we on the Left could get Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to run for political office in 2008...

Indierik,

It is not a moral transgression to insult the enemy. It's just not.

In World War II Japanese and American soldiers would shout out insults across the foxholes.

For example, the enemy often said something like:

"My Mama-san could strike out Babe Ruth!"

Our side would reply with something like:

"I'll be banging your sister-san in a couple of weeks, short stuff!"

What's this world coming to if you can't insult the enemy?

Whoever can criticize what Keith reported on tonight with facts to dispute his claims first will get a prize! So far it's all commentary on his clothing, hair and ratings. No substance.

Posted by: indierik at November 3, 2006 09:18

Like there is really ever any substance from the RWers here.

* What's this world coming to if you can't insult the enemy?

Posted by: Rico at November 4, 2006 12:32 AM

As we ALL ON THE LEFT keep explaining to you, Al-Qaeda has rights.

You will NOT insult them.

You will NOT torture them by making them stand for 4 hours or forcing them to listen to Rock music.

You will NOT imprison them without access to the U.S. legal system and U.S. lawyers.

*** Democrats in '06...protecting the rights of Al-Qaeda against the evil Republicans ***

OK, OK. I give up.

I will compliment their camels.

I will let them choose between 4 hours of Tayor Hicks or from Catherine Mcphee, whichever they choose.

I will let them have a dream team of shysters, like Barry Sheck, Jerry Spence, Leslie Abramson, and the like.

I will let them have OJ's original jury.

Am I forgiven?

Rico,

I'm sure you've never used the word before you even heard of Al-Qaeda. Riiiiiiight.

Until tommorrow folks!

Indierik,

We are talking about people that are trying to kill us and who we are trying to kill. The name calling is not very important.

But as long as they are calling us Infidels, we get to call them name, too!

As a matter of fact, I am not really into name calling based upon ethnicity. I judge people by the content of their character. That's why I save most of my name calling for liberals.

I speak:

How about protecting the rights of Democrats from smart-elecks like you.

You can't speak for the left, not even sarcastically!

Connor wrote:

"Sandy - at the little box near the top of your screen type "www.google.com"...I hope you can figure things out from there"

LOL LOL, that is such a TYPICAL conservative response. Make something up and then when asked for evidence don't provide any, just tell the requester to use Google. Here's a thought: when you make a statement, especially one in which you are trying to discredit someone else, back it up. I figured you couldn't, and you proved me right.

All you need to do, and this is very simple, is copy and paste the URL of the web site where you supposedly found out that the IAEA already gave every single document to Iran long before this web site existed. To do this, simply place your cursor on the left side of the URL, click and hold, and drag your mouse to the right side of the URL. Then go to the Edit menu and select Copy (or press Ctrl+C). Next, come here to this thread, and in a new message put your cursor in the box and select Paste from the edit menu (or press Ctrl+V). It's really simple and only takes two seconds, try it!

Here are the problems with the story, which was reported by the New York Times... Don't think for a second KO or his staff actually did any work on this story. They don't investigate news. They slant previously reported news.

Now, as for the story. It's typical NYT reporting. Their "unnamed sources" from Europe say the IAEA was upset about the website. There's no substantian from the IAEA, and denial from the U.S. envoy to the IAEA.

When I saw this story on Drudge last night, I figured it would be bigger. But it hasn't been.
Why?

Because is shows once again how dangerous Iraq was. If it's really thousands of pages about making nuclear weapons and it was from Saddam Hussein.. my God, that would mean that a ruthless, vile, mass-murdering, mass-raping, terrorist-financing dictator was in possession of this knowledge and could have passed it on to terrorists.

He already paid families of Palestinian suicide bombers $25,000. He built nukes before that the Israelis had to destroy. He used chemical and biological weapons on Iran and on the Kurds.

He needed to be taken out, and hopefully justice will be served this weekend and the bastard is sentenced to die.

Posting that crap like it is a real email is bullshit with the IQ levels of the fools posting here they will probably believe that its true!

Of course that is what your whole blog is all about lies and bullshit that you hope everyone who comes here will believe is true.

Will that is exactly why I have started olbermannwatch-watch! so that decent people can watch your lies and report on it there!

Oh yeah we are going to research everything we can about the people behind this abomination, ridicule and mock every word you say and basicly see if we can out-hate the hateblog!!!

Now that sounds like fun!

Of course, Blogger Doe, because as a typical liberal, you cannot debate the issues.

We offer facts. You offer name calling.

Of course, Blogger Doe, because as a typical liberal, you cannot debate the issues.

We offer facts. You offer name calling.

Posted by: bigred at November 4, 2006 01:47 AM

What issue can't a typical liberal debate? You don't offer facts, you offer a twisted world view that is coming apart before your eyes. Our own military and the people that constructed the war in the first place are now saying it is a disaster. If you can debate in it's favor or you have the facts why don't you tell it to them.

Actually, big red, he did offer facts:

Fact: The 'email' is crap and bullshit

Fact: The "whole blog is all about lies and bullshit that you hope everyone who comes here will believe is true."

And, if you bother to respond, don't try to say anything like "find one thing that has been posted that is untrue."
I stopped counting awhile back after posting well over 40 untruths and distortions. Who knows how much it is up to now (probably 100+).

"What issue can't a typical liberal debate?"

Spokesman for the Iraq debate: Cindy Sheehan David Letterman: “See, I’m very concerned about people like yourself who don’t have nothing but endless sympathy for a woman like Cindy Sheehan. Honest to Christ.”

Spokesman for Stem Cell: Michael J. Fox

If liberals want to debate so much, how come they so often forward spokespersons that have personal involvement with an issue and per David Letterman (and the entire MSM contingent) must be given "endless sympathy"? I'm sure the right plays this game too....but all I can think of is Nancy Reagan. Although Nancy was actually pushing a left view - so the case is solved as to why the MSM let us know about that.

bigred- you might want to check your story with what the conservative spin machine is saying. They are saying that all of these alleged secrets were already out there freely on the Internet anyway. So either they were, which means Iraq was no closer to nukes then any other country or entity, or they weren't, which then discredits that talking point entirely. You guys can't have it both ways.

In regards to Saddam, despite the GOP drivel that Democrats love him and love terrorists too, the argument from the left is not that having Saddam out of power isn't good, it's about opportunity cost. We have spent hundreds of billions of dollars and tied up our military in this for years and guess what has happened during this time? The Taliban are resurging in Afghanistan and NK and Iran are both expanding their nuclear technology. Iraq was an enemy of Iran, and now that they have been taken out, Iran has grown to be very powerful in that region. Now Drudge reported today that six other countries now want the technology- no doubt to gain some leverage in the region, but what a mess this will create. No one disputes that Saddam wanted to get nukes- every country does. But thanks to the Bush administration, countries like Iran and Syria, and rogue terrorist groups now all have a "how-to" guide. Couldn't we at least have sold this information to these guys like Russia does so we could have gotten something out of it- maybe paid a little of this war bill?

Instead, thanks to the incompetence of this entire administration, all that information that Saddam had which you say made him so dangerous is now in the hands of terrorists. Say what you will about Democrats and national security. At least they haven't given away nuclear secrets to our enemy.

If the mainstream media is so "Liberal", can anyone explain why little or no attention has been paid to the fact that the Saddam is due on Sunday....TWO days before the election? This has a very bad smell to it, at the very least. No one that I know of has made an issue over this, not even Olbermann.

I meant to say "Saddam verdict" above.

His face is orange, his hair is still green
Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
With each lie he spews
His color changes hues
An "oddball" if you know what I mean

His words ring true
They make you blue
You know the end is near
It makes you sad
That so many are mad
And it causes you to fear
We've had enough
Of your talking tough
And your condecending tone
Like we're all just dumb
And our brain is numb
But it's you that stands alone
It makes some sigh
And I wonder why
Your hearts are made of stone
You think it weak
To be one of the meak
To see anothers point of view
But its only greed
And what your told you need
You let crooks tell you what to do
I've a mind of my own
And you can chew this bone
While you ponder your new found place
You are only a few
Oh what can you do
Your about to lose this race

If there is any justice and wisdom left in this country some of you will be really really upset in a few days. There are a lot of folks who will have their faith restored in democracy while you pout.

You're making a big deal about the timing of the Saddam verdict?

#1 - America has no say so on when the Iraqi Courts reveal there verdicts.

#2 - The Saddam verdict will cause MORE violence in Iraq. That's not what Republicans want right now.

#3 - Where is your outrage at the New York Times waiting until just a few days before the election to reveal that a government website had information about bomb making? I wonder how long the New York Times sat on that story until just the right time. Also the story about the Evangelical Leader who had a tryst with a male prostitute. Story revealed just a few days before the election. Not to mention that Colorodo has a gay marriage proposition on the ballot.

codas,

Wich race are you talking about at the end of your poem?

WHICH race?

WHICH race?

Posted by: cee at November 4, 2006 10:16 AM

For me personaly the race between Rendel and Swann and Casey and Santurim. In the bigger although I want Democrats to take control I really wouldn't mind if there was a button I could push that would clean house for both the Republicans AND Democrats. Start all over again.

Unless you disbelieve the polls regarding how the vast majority of Americans believe we are heading in the wong direction, then why would you have an issue if the mainstream media seems (to you) to reflect the same general opinion?

Posted by: Mike at November 4, 2006 12:09 AM

Remember the olbyloons always say ratings do not matter. Bush has taken this to heart.

Remember the olbyloons always say ratings do not matter. Bush has taken this to heart.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2006 10:28 AM

Ratings are not the same as polls. The polls reflect a want for a new direction in this country. Ratings of a tv show such as Olbermann are affected by advertising, cable access, entertainment value...

You lefties are correct -- Saddam didn't have nukes. According to the New York Times, he was one year away. Do you lefties read your own paper? Guess not . . .

Cue the clueless: "what are you talking about?" "that's a lie" "spoon feed me" "where did you see that?"

How 'bout y'all look at the recent articles on Saddam's documents -- the ones posted online that have allegedly helped Iran get nukes. The ones the New York Times is so afraid of that they claim armageddon could result, yet these docs were a-OK for Saddam to have. Then read about Saddam's uranium at al-Tuwaitha:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/8/112447.shtml

I must admit I grow tired of discussing matters with you uninformed lefty dunder heads. Perhaps you'll wake up after we don't intervene in Iran and instead wake up to a nuclear breakfast one day.

codas,

The loss of control of the congress can be interpreted many ways. The expectation game on both sides is now in full swing this weekend with the Democrats lowering expectations and the Republicans claiming the democrats need to hit historical numbers for it to be seen as a mandate.

Well, all of this debate is fine, but I would like to ask something else......

What is going to happen if leftist ideologues as passionate as the evil conservatives attain power?

The other side of the political spectrum like....
Ned Lamont
Nancy Pelosi
Charlie Rangel
John Conyers
Alcee Hastings
Ted Kennedy

The government we had 1994-2001 was characterized as, "gridlocked." Will this be the result with a split between the two equally powerful branches?

I must admit I grow tired of discussing matters with you uninformed lefty dunder heads. Perhaps you'll wake up after we don't intervene in Iran and instead wake up to a nuclear breakfast one day.

Posted by: KfK at November 4, 2006 11:00 AM

I must admit I grow tired of dunder heads thinking we can just go to war anytime we feel like it. I think the last two are still going on aren't they? Get a grip on reality before you start another war please. Iran is not going to nuke us.

codas, I wonder how paranoid these folks were during the Cold War when the Soviets had living, breathing nukes that were truly aimed at us.

I think I'm in the wrong occupation. I'm going to open up a bomb shelter construction business and advertize on this site. Within a year I'd have enough money to retire everyone of my family and friends.

I think I'm in the wrong occupation. I'm going to open up a bomb shelter construction business and advertize on this site. Within a year I'd have enough money to retire everyone of my family and friends.

Posted by: indierik at November 4, 2006 11:23 AM

Sounds like a plan. Do "they"know that even Alexander Haig, NO LIBERAL THERE, has come out and mentioned that the same strategy that kept the Soviet Union and us from blowing each other up, "mutual destruction" will work just as well with Iran and North Korea. We didn't attack the Soviet Union. "They" must live in a constant state of fear that I could never even think could allow me to function at all. Fear will make you act irationally. Which is what "they" have been doing.

To equate the gargantuan super-power like the USSR who had millions of troops stationed in other eastern European countries for 50 years, to North Koroea and Iran is pretty silly.

1 The development of nuclear technology in these countries will not be used for ICBM's, so MAD will not likely apply.

2 The ideological push to use terror, especially with the islamic fundamentalists, is the unknown factor that makes the nuclear option different for them compared to the USSR.

3 Israel's survival as a state also complicates it because they already have nuclear capability. Iran has an official position of wanting to wipe Israel off the map. I don't recall the USSR officially seeking the extermination of an entire country.

What did Mr. Haig actually say, codas?

cee.

Just some comments from Haig from cnn interview,

AL HAIG, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, first, I think that this is a conflict that's essentially political. It's not just purely military. It's political and religious and ideological. And it was driven by the so-called neocons that hijacked my party, the Republican Party, before this administration...
HAIG: Well, they're a group of people who are ex-Democrats. Many of them hovered around the Seattle Conservative Democrats some years ago, who...I'm talking about Wolfowitz. I'm talking about Richard Perle. I'm talking about some newly-made ones. I'm talking about the former editor of the Wall Street Journal.

These people are very, very deeply embedded in Yale and certain intellectual circles. And for years, they've been against NATO... The outcome of the strategy was to create democracy with a bayonet.

HAIG: Well, I wouldn't chose those terms in every case, but I think the problem is that we didn't pay attention to our founding fathers. And they had made the point way back in the early 1800s that the best way to spread our values, democracy, human rights and other very laudable and essential parts of the American democracy, is through example. Make others want to repeat what you have had success with.

That's what brought the Soviet Union to its knees. Their internal failures an the image and the example of what market economies could do in this world, in this global world.

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As a longstanding shareholder of GE stock, I am seriously reconsidering my connection with your company and its alliance with MSNBC and NBC.

I have already contacted my local NBC television affiliate, WDIV in Detroit, and have indicated that I will no longer be watching that station.

The reason sir - two words: KEITH OLBERMANN.

Until MSNBC terminates his employment, I will no longer watch any NBC or MSNBC station, I will consider selling my share holdings and I will encourage others to do the same.

Olbermann's filth is not fit for human consumption.

Then there is people like James comment at 9:17 above. They STILL think they can predict what will happen in Iraq based on hypothetical events! If there is ONE thing we should have learned from this debacle, it is that me, you, the Republicans, Democrats, ANYBODY.....cannot possibly predict what is going to happen in Iraq with any accuracy.

The fact is that no matter WHAT we end up doing, we probably cannot predict or control the final outcome.

Then there is people like James comment at 9:17 above. They STILL think they can predict what will happen in Iraq based on hypothetical events! If there is ONE thing we should have learned from this debacle, it is that me, you, the Republicans, Democrats, ANYBODY.....cannot possibly predict what is going to happen in Iraq with any accuracy.

The fact is that no matter WHAT we end up doing, we probably cannot predict or control the final outcome.

Ok, codas, a reality check....

For almost 50 years, the USSR held millions of people under an opressive system that restricted their religious, economic and personal freedom.

Millions of people did actually die during the supposed, "cold war" while communist ideologues and other totalitarian regimes could do their worse.....China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, and in the USSR.

Your idealism slips away, codas, as you justify a containment policy simply because it resulted in domestic happiness (although I would argue against this as well).

Is it really your view that militant islamic fundamentalism can be contained akin to the communists and they will change because we are a "good example?"

How many people will have to die over the next ?years until the process is called a failure?

"You lefties are correct -- Saddam didn't have nukes. According to the New York Times, he was one year away. Do you lefties read your own paper? Guess not . . ."

Read it again. It says back before the 1991 invasion. Thank goodness for that well-planned and well carried out invasion which prevented Saddam from getting nukes. To bad the apple fell so far from the tree.

Olbermann's filth is not fit for human consumption.
Posted by: barney at November 4, 2006 12:37 PM

Then don't watch it Barney. I watch and enjoy his show. I will continue to do so. Hannity is there for you. Go to him.

Wow, this guy, Cee; above really DOES think the US is capable of controlling the world, and is capable of bringing it's own idealism and culture to far away places that just happen to hate us! This is the neocon fantasy.

Hey Cee, we have to do what works for US! We have to act in our own best interest. You actually think containment didn't work in the cold war just because brutality existed in other countries?

Until 2003, there was still one positive aspect of the war in Vietnam. It taught us that we CANNOT be a military interventionist in another country's civil war simply because we don't like what is going on over there. I THOUGHT every reasonable person in America had learned that lesson and taken it to heart.

Here we are in 2006, and what a surprise it is to find out we hadn't learned a damned thing! We made the same basic mistake all over again. This more than anything else, is what fuels the anger over the Iraq war.

Ok, cee, a reality check....

How many will die in the war that you long for. Perhaps a nuclear prempitive attack in order to prevent nuclear war is in order. If you noticed, that was Al haig not my words. It would make it so easy for you if only us "liberals" thought the lust for killing in order to stop the killing was the way to go. Go check for yourself cee. Many many many conservatives and independents question your leaders plans. Do you think containment was the wrong approach to the Sovoet union. Should we have nuked them cee?

Hey cee. here is another bleeding heart liberal socialist for you to take apart. Oh wait.. . NO HE'S NOT....

As one reviews the ledgers of his foreign policy, Bush seems to have alienated or antagonized just about everyone on earth, with precious little to compensate us for our war losses. And if we are about to jettison his cowboy diplomacy, perhaps it is time to look again at the successful policies Bush and the neocons dismissed and deplore. For, unlike theirs, these policies never failed America.

What are they? The anti-interventionism of the Founding Fathers from Washington to Wilson, and the conservative policy of containment and deterrence pursued by Eisenhower and Reagan.

Pat Buchanan

Some words of wisdom from REPUBLICAN Richard Nixon

"A few days before I left for Peking last February, I had as a guest at the White House the brilliant French thinker and statesman Andre Malraux. Let me share with you a comment which he made to me that night.
"The United States," he said, "is the only nation ever to become the most powerful in the world without seeking to."

Think for a moment of how true this statement is and what it means. This country did not push its way to the position of world leadership which we have occupied for a generation. That position came to us unsought, but we have borne it nobly and well, guided not by ambition or greed or ideology, but only by the high ideals of human liberty and lasting peace.

Uniquely among the great powers of the world in our own time or in any previous time, the United States is trusted with power by all the peoples of the earth. No nation which refrains from aggression against its neighbors has anything to fear from America, and all nations know that is true."

Is this still true cee? No. Bush has half the world in fear of us doing something stupid and causing a massive war.

Codas you idiot:

"No nation which refrains from aggression against its neighbors has anything to fear from America, and all nations know that is true."

Yes. Afghanistan attacked us (Taliban / Osama).

Iraq attacked Kuwait (a neighbor), and attempted to assasinate our president. They refused weapons inspections. They fired at us in the "no fly" zone.

Get a clue you lefty dope.

ROGUE STATES with nuclear weapons is the problem. Iran has ststed they want to wipe Israel off the map. Ahmadinejad believes he is a Holy warrior sent to eliminate the Jews. Give him a Nuke, and what do you think will happen?

Look, just admit you are an uninformed leftist fool and leave the thinking to the real Americans.

Hurray for 1 vs 100, the game show which relegated Olby to fifth place in total and demo viewers.

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Codas just loves to quote Pat Buchanan Olby style. How about quoting Joe Lieberman instead, pal! I like Joe alot more than Pat. Buchanan is a boob.

"Codas just loves to quote Pat Buchanan Olby style. How about quoting Joe Lieberman instead, pal!" -KfK

This is so typical of the neocon mentality- if you don't like what some people say keep on searching until you find an opinion that agrees with yours. It's as pathetic as an alcoholic continually searching for someone to tell them "it's ok to keep drinking" after the alcoholic has been told by many that he/she needs to stop.

I've said it before and I'll say it once more- In my lifetime I never would have believed that Pat Buchanon would have been considered anything but the far right.

Please do not misunderstand from my post that I believe the US is the world's policeman. I am attacking the "idealism" of the left in this country who thinks the last sixty years were just peachy in the world. They were not. The evil of men continued and will continue at the same breaknecked pace.

The wars of men continue and have continued. The lazy left in the US believes war is something only GW Bush is involved in.

Israel can tell you about the thousands they have lost between 1948 and 9/10/01.

Afghanistan can tell you about the thousands they lost during the Soviet occupation.

Millions died in post-US withdraw Vietnam.....thousnads of families....children...gone....their names wiped off the face of the earth.

Cambodia....millions killed under Pol Pot.

I could go on.

But the idealism of "peace on earth" until W was elected president is just a big lie.

I do not want war, but 9/11 brought war to us...we were attacked. The sacrifice of thousands of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan is not a small throw-away. The left just wants to walk away, just like in Vietnam.

codas said, "The United States," he said, "is the only nation ever to become the most powerful in the world without seeking to." Think for a moment of how true this statement is and what it means. This country did not push its way to the position of world leadership which we have occupied for a generation. That position came to us unsought, but we have borne it nobly and well, guided not by ambition or greed or ideology, but only by the high ideals of human liberty and lasting peace. Uniquely among the great powers of the world in our own time or in any previous time, the United States is trusted with power by all the peoples of the earth. No nation which refrains from aggression against its neighbors has anything to fear from America, and all nations know that is true." Is this still true cee? No. Bush has half the world in fear of us doing something stupid and causing a massive war."

Are you kidding me? The Soviet Union was half the world in 1948....You and the rest, including Pat Buchanan are naive if you think the US did not pursue policies to remain the most powerful nation in the world of destruction and the vacuum left after WWII!

Give me a break. Power is all that men want. Codas, Harry Truman killed thousands of Japanese cilivians and the Soviets were sure we would do it again! They were scared of us, and we were of them after they developed their own nuclear bomb!

I DO believe in the noble spirit of our country and it is strong in Bush. He has only attacked countries who have posed a threat to our country, Iraq included. Do not try to twist history to fit your own naivete.

The US deserves the power we have BECAUSE of the noble spirit our country has and continues to fight for the weak as well as for the security of our own country. But it is a power that WAS sought and fought for....with the wounding and deaths of MILLIONS of brave Americans

It is true, the democrats and leftists in this country are more afraid of W then they are of fundamentalist muslims who have given their life blood oath to the destruction of our country.

Pat Buchanan is an isolationist. He would desert Israel in a New York Minute and they would start using their nuclear arsenal in defense of their country.

Go ahead, agree with him. You're still wrong.

I love it. kfk and cee know better than Alexander Haig, Richard Nixon and Pat Buchanan. Three persons who have a ton of experience and knowledge with regards to foreighn policy. 3 REPUBLICANS. I am sure that Ronald Reagen is no match for them. George Bush the first dare not even speak. Oh we know. The world has changed since 911. We were attacked. So according to cee and kfk we are justified in invading and ocupying as many countries as we have to. After all, millions died in the Soviet Union while we waited. I cant even imagine the delusional mindset that is going on that thinks that we have the ability to rule over and control the world. cee. you say you are not for us being the policeman of the world but that is what we will be.
"Pat Buchanan is an isolationist. He would desert Israel in a New York Minute and they would start using their nuclear arsenal in defense of their country.
Go ahead, agree with him. You're still wrong." Well then you admit that our foreighn policy is in fact to be the protector of Israel. That is our mission in the world. You are good with the idea of being a servant to them.
It all comes down to the bible again doesn't it. Your zeal for the second coming will get the Jews killed along with half the world cee. Peace is a bad word in your theology. Your pastor and your bible classes might make you feel superior in your understanding of scripture or history but you are a slave to whatever the leaders of Israel want. I will take the wisdom of leaders past over your bible class teacher.

"kfk and cee know better than Alexander Haig, Richard Nixon and Pat Buchanan"

Alexander ("I am in charge") Haig, Nixon ("I am not a crook") and Buchanan (Jew hater and isolationist) are the best you can do?

The problem with you lefties is you can't think for yourselves. The key to discourse is not quoting someone else. It is getting facts and making an informed decision / formulating an opinion. You are pathetic -- all you can do is parrot what someone else tells you (like the deceitful propagandist Olbermann).

Please do not misunderstand from my post that I believe the US is the world's policeman. I am attacking the "idealism" of the left in this country who thinks the last sixty years were just peachy in the world. They were not. The evil of men continued and will continue at the same breaknecked pace.

The wars of men continue and have continued. The lazy left in the US believes war is something only GW Bush is involved in.

Israel can tell you about the thousands they have lost between 1948 and 9/10/01.

Afghanistan can tell you about the thousands they lost during the Soviet occupation.

Millions died in post-US withdraw Vietnam.....thousnads of families....children...gone....their names wiped off the face of the earth.

Cambodia....millions killed under Pol Pot.

I could go on.

But the idealism of "peace on earth" until W was elected president is just a big lie.

Posted by: cee at November 4, 2006 03:46 PM

What in the hell would you do about all this cee. Who ever said the world was a safe place until W came along? What kind of brainwashing has happened in your life. Do you think the USA is some kind of super heroes with super duper magical powers that we can fight off all the bad guys and then wait for the Lord to decend from the clouds and takes us home. Excuse me, but the Lord I read of in my bible says blessed are the peace makers, blessed are the merciful. If you want to think he said blessed are thou who kills the infidel and brings democracy through the barrel of a gun, go ahead. Count me out. So many armless and legless vets. So many widows. So much blood being poured from old ladies and little boys and girls who must be supporters of the terrorists or they wouldnt be living where that latest bomb just fell. While you are reading another Marine has died. Another mother is learning of the death of her child. And the world is safer? Is it cee? No we must attack more countries. Limbaugh and Hannity says we should. They are far more accurate in their assesment of military strategy than Pat Buchanon or Nixon or Reagen.
You are of the same mind as someone in a religious cult if you ask me. You KNOW the truth. Nothing anyone can say can convince you that Bush has been misleading us. Not only that, but it is the devil himself who speaks theough me if I say Bush is wrong about anything. I am so glad that I never surrendered my religion to a political party cee.

The problem with you lefties is you can't think for yourselves. The key to discourse is not quoting someone else. It is getting facts and making an informed decision / formulating an opinion. You are pathetic -- all you can do is parrot what someone else tells you (like the deceitful propagandist Olbermann).

Posted by: KfK at November 4, 2006 06:02 PM

You do nothing but parrot Limbaugh and Hannity so shut up.

Boo Hoo Freakin hoo

"I feel your pain"

Those who do nothing in the face of tyranny are themselves the problem, for it is they who enable these tyrants to exist.

Those who do nothing in the face of tyranny are themselves the problem, for it is they who enable these tyrants to exist.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2006 06:17 PM

Make yourself feel better by saying you support doing something and I am just a sitting duck. What you have supported is failing and has made us weaker. You know its true but you can't admit it. Your leaders let us down. They failed. They did not plan. Pat yourself on the back and think yourself brave if you must. Saying "Boo Hoo freking hoo" reveals you for the mindless goofball you are. I never would trust our country in the hands of humans who have no compasion. Who will BOO HOO FOR YOU?

Re: The IAEA and the release of the documents.

Yes, the International Atomic Energy Agency did release the same documents that were available on the former "Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal". However, the IAEA's documents had been SANITIZED so that key technical aspects (such as the construction of the triggering mechanism) were no longer included. The documents themselves still had theoretical value, but no practical use.

The documents that were released BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT were not redacted in any way, shape or form.

codas,

I mentioned nothing about supporting Israel because of some biblical exegesis, but you still find someway of attacking me based on my faith. Two words....chill out.

Israel is a democratic nation who is our ally. Why do I NEVER hear liberals claim other allies can be fair weather friends.....allies like Great Britain, or France, or Japan. Israel seems to be special.....Why? Because the left is filled with anti-Semites. Joe Lieberman lost half his support because of the hatred spewed forth from lefty sites and yet he is willing to turn the other cheek and forgive. GOOD FOR HIM!

So why is anti-Semitism ok but calling militant islam what it is and stopping it isn't ok? You leftists are insane. Israel is a great ally and has been the victim of terrorism since its creation. Yet, if it gets tough, we can't help them? I guess codas wants to become Iran's ally even though they are, in essence, A THEOCRACY! I thought you were for the wall of seperation, codas!

Who are the killers here, codas? Who are your enemies, codas. I am not talking theological here stuff here, I am talking the death of you, your family and your fellow citizens, some Marines you mentioned. Does Israel want to kill those Marines? Does George Bush want to kill those Marines? Does the government of Iraq want to kill those Marines? Give me answers codas.

I have no idea when our Lord is coming again. It is not in our control. I defend Israel because it is just she exists and she is a democracy established and sovergn. She has never attacked without provocation, just like the United States, and unlike Iraq. That is why I support Israel. Why do you not support Israel, codas?

All I know is that my freedom and my family's freedom is under attack right now in Iraq because someone is fighting under the American flag there. That's it....that's how simple it is for me and victory used to be the goal in war....now it seems it isn't for many.

Sleep well tonight, codas....remember those Marines you so flippantly used in your shrill post.

Codass stated:

"You do nothing but parrot Limbaugh and Hannity so shut up."

No Codas, you need to believe that. I parrot no one. I read and come to conclusions for myself. I don't watch Hannity or listen to Limbaugh. Now, ask yourself why you think I parrot those men. Could it be you are a vapid dope who is unable to think for himself, and therefore you imagine everyone else is the same?

Sleep well tonight, codas....remember those Marines you so flippantly used in your shrill post.

Posted by: cee at November 4, 2006 09:42 PM

Like I said. Your always right. You think I am an anti-semite because I don't think we should have any other country dictating are policies. I hate to tell you cee, but the United Sates was never attacked by Panama or Grenada or Iraq or Vietnam. I guess it comes down to what you think is provacation. You have a very distorded view of the world. That's okay. Believe what you want. As far as kfk, you insult so easily that I really don't listen to you anymore.

"No Codas, you need to believe that. I parrot no one. I read and come to conclusions for myself. I don't watch Hannity or listen to Limbaugh. Now, ask yourself why you think I parrot those men. Could it be you are a vapid dope who is unable to think for himself, and therefore you imagine everyone else is the same?
Posted by: KfK at November 4, 2006 10:15 PM"

Simple denial is not substantiated by the commentary that you so predictably spew. A commentary with a brand of ignorance that is distinctively Limbaughs and Hannity's.

When you are not making commentary that is the ditto heading repeats of the same backward thinking garbage and out right hate speech so common to Limbaugh and Hannity, you are making empty denials that reflect your shallow nature, that indeed shows that you do not think for yourself.

Unless you are a very wealthy person their is no basis in logic for your support of a party that exploits the brain washing practices of religion for political purposes. A political system that has proven without a shadow of a doubt to be for the very rich and anti middle class.

Example of the ignorance you would support and repeat is the recent claims from the White House that the latest figures on job growth is a good example of Republican economic policies. What Snow, Limbaugh and Hannity leave out is that more than 90% of those jobs are at or near minimum wage jobs given to people who have no health care insurance. And of course the same applies to most the "job growth" since the Bush crime machine sacked this nations wealth.

This is just a small example of the ignorance you fake it with. Total garbage all the time and because their is no logic or reason to back up your perspective (let alone your delusional bravado about being correct) it is a snap to shoot down.

Keeping trying.

"Who are the killers here, codas? Who are your enemies, codas. I am not talking theological here stuff here, I am talking the death of you, your family and your fellow citizens, some Marines you mentioned. Does Israel want to kill those Marines? Does George Bush want to kill those Marines? Does the government of Iraq want to kill those Marines? Give me answers codas.
Posted by: cee at November 4, 2006 09:42 PM"

From above:"I am talking the death of you, your family and your fellow citizens"

These are the words of a person who lives in fear. Fear of people he knows hates him and he knows all about hate.

These so called "leftists" you talk about are nothing more than straw men. Which of course is the easiest target for a coward.

Living in fear is the goal of a terrorist. Because you live in fear (your constant non stop mantra) you are the one that has handed victory to the terrorists.

But because educated people know better that Muslims didn't wake up one morning and decide to "hate" and kill westerners, but over last 50 years or so watched the west suck their nations natural resources dry with western propped up theofacist dictators like the Bush family friends who rule Saudi Arabia with an iron fist not to mention Kuwait, Oman, etc. Iran is an example where we tried and failed. Iran does what it does for one reason - to counter the aggression of the west at it's boarders - and for no other reason.

Because you are a backward hillbilly with no education you hide behind Marines like you are one of them. Only an a--hole would callously regard America's finest as disposable objects that are out "defending America". They are doing their job and doing it bravely and with honor. You exploit this as though it is yours, and like it is some how a defense of your arguments, this is despicable.

The lives of our fighting forces should never be careless lead by incompetent leaders that send them to their deaths for the wrong reasons. The same leaders use fear mongering garbage that you repeat here. Your use of this bullshit propaganda makes you one the least supporting of our troops.

You are a coward plain and simple. How dare you argue in defense of this financial adventure Bush and Cheney created for the oil companies that has caused the deaths of nearly 3000 of the best Americans we have and on top of it created millions of more Muslims who hate us and want to kill us for what Bush and Cheney have done all on lies and all on the cheap so they could give tax breaks to the richest of the rich!

You should stop talking about our armed forces in the manner that you do. It is exploitative and out right cowardice. You are an a--hole and embarrassment to this nation!

Does George Bush want to kill those Marines? Does the government of Iraq want to kill those Marines? Give me answers codas.
Posted by: cee at November 4, 2006 09:42 PM

How did those marines get there? George Bush put them there and you support his decision. Does the government want to kill those marines? Maybe they do cee. Again, I dont agree with the administrations approach so you say I am Irans ally. What do you think they should do with me cee. I guess you consider me a traitor. I should be shot then? You talk about shrill. You have to think everyone who disagrees with you is YOUR enemy. I must be a terrorist sympathyzer if I dont vote Republican. If you feel your freedom is under attack right now from Iraq, I just don't know what to tell you. Just one more time I will try. They went there because they thought it would be a pushover and it would win them the election in 2004. It wasn't a pushover and they won the election anyway because of people like you who need to believe in them. There will come a day when the truth will come out cee. But I've learned not to expect some people to ever come around to it. The brain washing is too deep.

Hmmmm . . . must be after 10:00 PM 'cause all the batshit crazies are out

I meant to say "does the Iraqi government want to kill those marines?" in my last post.

Hmmmm . . . must be after 10:00 PM 'cause all the batshit crazies are out

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2006 11:16 PM

Your here aren't you.

Is this what you like cee? Am i an anti-semite because I think this is BS.?

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=37931

Oh, oh....it's after 10:00 pm. Time get up.

We could start with a rousing version of Kumbaya.

C'mmon, everybody sing now!

Is this what you like cee? Am i an anti-semite because I think this is BS.?

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=37931

The link doesn't work anymore. It was about the israeli army shooting a bunch of palestenian women.

"We could start with a rousing version of Kumbaya. C'mmon, everybody sing now!
Posted by: Rico at November 4, 2006 11:29 PM"

Sounds like "Rico" is making fun of a Christian song. I believe it is African American in origin and made popular by Peter Paul and Mary, a singing group with three of the most recognisable biblical names you could have.

But what is worse is the open and obvious perversion of the true nature of the teachings of Jesus Christ. "Rico" has denied on more than one occasion that he takes a liking to Christian Identity, a perversion of Christianity by the biggest of cowards in our society, "skin heads" a true remnant of the Klan.

Rico - who pokes fun at people that would call Jesus "The Prince of Peace".

But as a Republican apologist what else would he do but pervert the teachings of Jesus to justify living in fear of people of color, and those who would put their faith in the good of man.

Go ahead now and start your denying "Rico"

Coward Watch,

You hold no regard for the armed forces of The United States illustrated simply on the grounds that you claim they are the simple pawns of an evil administration (talking points I hear all the time from the left).

The military leadership is a professional group of men and women sworn to defend the country. There is documentation that these brave people councelled the civilian leadership before the hostilities and currently. The objective is always defined and DEBATED. The final decision is made by the civilian leadership, but this in no way makes the armed forces as you imply.....a bunch of mindless, programmable robots. These fine people are not mercenaries, you idiot, they are honorable people. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ONLY REASON WE ARE IN IRAQ IS FOR ECONOMIC GAIN. You lie, Coward, just like the rest of your hate filled cadre.

I did not use the military, codas did, just like you guys always do. The honor of these brave people is degraded by the likes of you, codas, Murtha, Kerry, Pelosi, Durbin, and others who use their struggle for political calculation. Shame!

I am NOT fearful because of the wonderful work of these fine people. You are the scared cowards because you see an enemy that does not exist. You believe in a bogey man named W. You fear he has started WWIII, taken away your civil liberties and wants to become a worshiped icon. Mr. Bush has done NOTHING you wackos accuse him of, and this simple fact shows YOUR silly fear. You also fear your fellow citizens who support the president, lashing out, calling them silly names like hillbilly and other garbage I do not care to type. Fear drives you. It is a crying shame.

Come back to this post after the election, Coward Watch, and we'll continue the great discussion about who is truly a fearfilled coward, and who truly has no plan to keep people safe and free.

Yeah and FDR was a fearmongerer too.

I did not use the military, codas did, just like you guys always do. The honor of these brave people is degraded by the likes of you, codas, Murtha, Kerry, Pelosi, Durbin, and others who use their struggle for political calculation. Shame!
Posted by: cee at November 5, 2006 07:43 AM

The honor of the brave men and women in the service is intact and I never say it isn't. I say that the people who are using that to their advantage have no honor. That fact that you constantly twist my words and their meaning convinces me further that you have no ability to see reality as it is. You must see it the way it fits your world view. You talk about others dishoniring the soldiers and then you place Kerry and Murtha in a statement that groups them with those that hate the troops or whatever you need to think they do. Again, it matters not to you that they fought in wars, what matters is that they agree with your politics. Your "moral high ground" is crumbling at your feet. Slander and lies about peoples intentions with their statements is what I am seeing from you. Twist and turn my words all you want. Your fear lets you justify and overlook all the misteps that the present administration have had because you think they are protecting you. I don't have any children yet but I feel sorry for those that do. They will have to pay the bill for Bush. Economicaly he has bankrupt us. Morally he has bankrupt us. Militarily he has bankrupt us. You still think he is doing a heckuva job. You have blind faith. You are following blind men into a ditch.

Attacks on American troops are nothing new for John Kerry. Remember, this is the man who came back from his brief four-month tour of duty in Vietnam to charge his fellow American servicemen with rape and murder.

This is the same John Kerry who just last year told CBS’s Bob Schieffer, “And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs.”

These sentiments, however, are not merely his own, they echo those of his fellow Democrats. John Murtha, for example, charged Marines in Haditha with cold-blooded murder. Senator Dick Durbin compared our interrogators at Guantanamo to the monsters who worked for Pol Pot, one of the greatest mass murderers in history, and those who worked in the inhuman Soviet gulags and in the Nazi death camps.

Whatever would make us think that the dems hate the military?

Cod-ASS,

"Economicaly he has bankrupt us."

That is the most asinine statement I have seen from a loon yet. Why do you even pretend to know of what you speak?

Cod-ASS,

"Economicaly he has bankrupt us."

That is the most asinine statement I have seen from a loon yet. Why do you even pretend to know of what you speak?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 5, 2006 09:34 AM

It's called the DEFICIT assnonymass

Dear Mr. Coward Watch,

Can't you ever get a joke? You appear to be as humorless as John Kerry, and that is not a good thing.

Since you claim to be defending Jesus people from the likes of me does that mean that you are one of them? If so, then please tell us what those teachings are that you subscribe to.

Now let us deal with your moniker, "Coward Watch". There is no way anyone here could possible know if anyone else here is brave or is a coward. To use the word "coward" is just childish name calling. You could call yourself "Republican Watch" or "Convervative Watch", that would be better. I know that people on the Right have called people on the Left "cowards", too, and it is stupid of them to do so.

I do admit that I am prejudiced against Mohammadans who want to kill you, Mr. Coward Watch. In fact, I hate them. But I don't hate you, I don't hate Crazy Keith, I don't hate Hillary, I don't hate Bill, I don't hate Nancy Pelosi, I don't hate Michael Moore.

Who do you hate, Mr. Coward Watch?

Cod-ASS,

The deficit is 1.9% of GDP. The sky is falling!!!! We are going bankrupt!!!!!

Yep you're a genius.

Codas, no I don't consider either you or others a 'traitor', with the following caveat. If one acts and speaks in collusion with an enemy, espeacially in war time, than that person is a traitor.

For example, Jane Fonda in the Vietnamese war. Denouncing her own country from an artillery battery in the enemy's territory.

Alger Hiss was convicted of perjury. Subsequently, with the opening of KGB files, it is incontrovertible that he was a soviet spy. Fancy that. The castigated and ostracized Whittaker Chambers was right.

IF, AND I MEAN IF, IF the recent allegations re Ted Kennedy attempting to collude with the Soviets to help them counteract President Reagans foreign policy are true, I would consider him a traitor.

People with opposing political views are NOT DE FACTO traitors. And it is beyond me why this accusation is used so often to malign those of my political persuasion.

I say that I agree with Secretary Rumsfeld that some in our country, including high ranking officials, are behaving reminiscent of Chamberlain in pre WW II england. And that gets morphed into: HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TRAITOR, you Karl Rove parrot.

I say that I wish the loyal opposition today were more akin to the loyal opposition of the past. That I wish they would exercise a bit of restraint. That calling the president a liar, murderer, thief and war criminal is not helpful and tends to encourage the enemy. and that becomes HOW DARE YOU SHRED THE CONSTITUTION AND TRY TO SHUT ME UP.

I dont do either. What I am doing is suggesting that you might be ill informed and/or wrong.

That is why I am moving away from trying to debate with people who who can't, won't or don't want to read what I have written and respond to that. It is very difficult to carry on a conversation when one of the parties erroneously speaks for you and himself.

ALWAYS STUPID AND EVILLY YOURS,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.

That why I post such driveling, hate filled, stupid nonsense.

Janet:

You mean you shouldn't call the president a liar...even if he is?

What is the lie?

Do you mean, what are the lies?

Mike, is that the best you can up with? Somehow, I expected better from you!

Yes, I want to know too. When speaking of the president of the U.S. in his official capacity, WHAT IS THE BIG LIE?

Also, you don't have anything wise to offer in rebuttal to the other 98% of my post.

EVILLY AND STUPIDLY YOURS,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Cod-ASS,

The deficit is 1.9% of GDP. The sky is falling!!!! We are going bankrupt!!!!!

Yep you're a genius.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 5, 2006 11:32 AM

The fact that you have to call me an ass when you write a response says that you are the very knd of ass that I think off when I think of the very worst part of the republicin ignorant self centered money grubbing ass hole that ruin it for republicans that aren't aignorant self centered money grubbing ass hole. Like you.

Janet:

First off, why are you assumming I am even in disagreement ment 100% or our post, so why would you expect me to refute the other 98% of it, which was an answer to Codas anyway?

Are you expecting me to defend Fonda's trip to Hanoi? Do you want me to offer up a defense for Algier Hiss? Should I offer up a defense for Kennedy, whom I probably don't respect any more than you do?

Unlike many right wingers I have encountered, you sound very informed. Therefore I'm sure you've heard the lies defined. Do I really have to repeat them, only to have you say I'm wrong in each case? It really seems to come down to the definition of a lie, doesn't it?

Believe it or not, I voted for your man in 2000. Even before the 911 attacks, he became a different president than he promised he was going to be in the campaigne. He became a president of his base, not all Americans. He forgot that once the election is over, he is supposed to by everybody's president.

You and I clearly disagree about the many lies associated with the Iraq War. I believe invading Iraq was a colossal mistake base on lies. You probably think it was just bad intelligence.

As for your reference to the "loyal opposition", I don't even see how that would be possible in today's extreme political climate. I don't believe that the "traitor talk" started with the opposition, it started with the right. It is still reflected in many of the posts on this site, yours excepted.

codas,

All good Americans enjoy the give and take of name calling, as long as some facts are thrown in, too. Please try it.

Regarding that link of Israeli troops shooting Palestinian women: since these women are helping Palestinian terrorists they are "soldiers" and are, therefore, fair game. If you had interviewed these women last week and asked them if every Jewish man, woman, child, and infant were fair game, these women would have responded with the words "As much as you are, Infidel".

what is the lie?

inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.?????

Janet? Why would you say that about yourself. You speak in a little bit of a condecending tone sometimes but I would never think of you the way you think I do. I, like you probably dont like it when "the other side" speaks to me like I hate my country, I am disloyal, no damn good and stupid. Saying I hate the troops and then when I state compassion for the wounded I get "Boo Hoo Freakin Hoo" from someone on the right. Amazing. You might disagree, but I feel that although there a few times that myself or a few others of "non-republican" side get a little out of hand with insults and labeling, there is far more of it coming from "the other side". This is after an anti-Keith website and so I expect and accept it. Cod ass, Co duh, a little childish I think.
You have asked me to be more specific in getting to the point. My number one problem with the politics of the day is the born again republican. I'm sorry. They want it both ways. War against any and all non-conforming to America's wishes. That is not a good enough reason to kill, and to justify it with Christianity is upsetting to me. Yes, there are elements in the Islamic world who want to do horible things to us. Lets have a war with them, not with liberal secularist or old lady's in their Muslim garb living in squaler with their orphaned grandchildren. I don't say you are of that mind, only that there is a justification of murdering, yes I said murdering the innocent because we are supposed to be some blessed country by God and if we do it, it must be ordained and holy and right. That is mindless bullshit. I was not raised to put my faith in mindless bullshit.

Anonymous:

If you want someone to take time with a serious answer, you might try not hiding behind "anonymous".

Well, Codas, the obviously sarcastic post script includes, but is not by any means limited to even 5%, of the things that I have PERSONALLY been called by those with differing views from my own. As for the closing, I'm pretty sure I'll win the evil and stupid contest Blogger Doe started. That is if he doesn't cheat and claim the award for himself.

Codas, you so often do what you decry in others. And as you have done in this most recent post. You ascribe by the very terminology you use that differing opinions are less than honest, thoughtful opinions born of beliefs and convictions that are different from yours.

You yourself have admitted you get frustrated and lash out sometimes in offensive ways. They have some real prize winning scum bags who troll around this site. You are not one of them. But the closing and the postscript was not directed personnally towards you. I am thinking of using them in all my posts. Save the trolls the time and trouble to reiterate the same o. same o.

EVILLY AND STUPIDLY YOURS,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.

That why I post such driveling, hate filled, stupid nonsense.

Well, Mike, I certainly got hoisted by my own petard re you. Mea culpa. I knew when I rushed through it it wasn't a very good answer.

No, I didn't expect YOU to defend Honda, Hiss, Kennedy et al. But a gal can hope, can't she? I think you might agree, though, there are a goodly number trolling through these waters who would vehemently disagree.

But I was looking for a debate about the recent NYT article contradicting itself by accusing the Bush administration of leaking, as they have longly and loudly proclaimed, nonexistent Iraqi nuclear information. Now, Bush et al is helping Iran. So convoluted it is hard to phrase without writing a book.

I am going to cut and paste part of a reply I made to you that I'm uncertain if you read:

"2. You can go back to the mid nineties and up to January 2001 and find numerous remarks by Clinton, Gore, high ranking cabinet officers and both dem and repub senators saying the exact same things about Iraq that Bush et al and senators from both sides of the aisle said post 9/11. It was a continuous unbroken tenet of both administrations and both sides of the congressional divide.

3. Many foreign governments were making similar statements during that time.

4. Most foreign intelligence agencies, including mid east countries and the Israelis, all had essentially identical positions: that Iraq was actively pursuing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. And they were convinced Saddam was maybe as little as ten years or less from success."

You anticipated my argument. But I can't get my mind around the assertion that Bush and his administration knew that a decade of widely perceived and stated fact, suddenly turned into a war crime lie by a war criminal and war proffiteer.

I can understand a thought out position that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake for varying reasons. But not for the reasons being yelled from the roof tops ad nauseum.

Another roadblock for me is what do the original opponents of the initial action and susequent opponents have as a goal, a strategy and broadly speaking (such as troop strength and deployment, rules of engagement, etc)tactics. And what do they see as a consequence of these changes.

Mike, if you go back, you might reconsider the origin of all this 'traitor' talk. The first instance that comes to mind is Max Cleland. It was representd as a Lee Atwater throwback orhestrated by Karl Rove to question a triple amputee Vietnam Vet' patrotism. I believe that Saxby Chambliss questioned his judgment, not his patriotism.

Rumsfeld re appeasement. Traitor calling, not an analogy to illustrate those who, like our own KO, see this world altering situation as the 'alledged' terror threat and the 'so called' war on terror.

It is a sad commentary on us and our times that a loyal opposition is beyond imagining. We are left with at best a ranting raving opposition, and all too often a disloyal opposition.

I would appreciate hearing back from you very soon. I am not going to be able to respond past today. I am going home Tuesday morning for a month to help my dearest and oldest girl friend who is having knee replacements. Tommorow is housecleaning, laundry and packing day. My friend doesn't have a computer. As our kids have all said, the blind leading the blind.
I fibbed to them all. I REALLY am going home so I can have cold, salty raw oysters on the halfshell for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In this I am a purist. No sauce, no crackers, no fork. Tip the shell and slurp it down. God, I'm drooling on my keyboard.

EVILLY AND STUPIDLY YOURS,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.

That why I post such driveling, hate filled, stupid nonsense.

JD,
Is there some reason your reviews of Countdown have ignored Ted Haggard? Did I miss your mention?

Who the hell cares about Ted Haggard? Do you have any idea how many nutjobs Clinton met with? Hell he even pardoned most of them. Hello library.

Colbert...
Maybe you should start olbermannwatchwatch.com?

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