** Question **

If/when the Democrats win in the House or Senate tomorrow, will Keith proclaim, "The Democrats have won..." or "We have won..."?

Wow J$, you predicted it .. Deano is on.

This really is the last day that Keith Olbermann can spin the elections. For, you can see from Media Matters, Keith Olbermann has gotten no extra time to talk about the election during any time of the day --- on his own cable news network. Oh sure, all of the other big shots on MSNBC get to yap away. Matthews. Scarborough. Tucker Carlson, whom got away with calling somebody a Mafian, in essence. Nooooooooo... Keith Olbermann only gets 1 messely hour that he has to share with neighbor Bill O' Reilly. Bill O' Reilly! The guy who pretends to be an intellectual when, behind the scenes, he makes all of this subliminal hogwash against Progressives. Who will be the "worst person in the world" tonight? It should be Olbermann Watch.com ... for not letting Keith Olbermann breath, for goodness sakes!!!!!

There's probably a reason MSNBC wouldn't let Olby have more than one hour, which is already one hour too many.

Oh, Olby must have re-lined his tin foil hat with all his wacky conspiracy theories about robocalls and threats of arrest. Maybe he's friends with Bev again.

Read the chat transcript at FireDogLake Bicker. It seems that Olby was asked to contribute extra hours to the MSNBC election all-day specials over the past two weeks but he declined. It seems that his sports show got in the way of his doing that. You know, Tucker could do two or three hours live a day, so could Scarborough and Chris Matthews. But oh no, not KO. You know it seems to me that you Olbyloons would have figured out by now that Olby does what he thinks will get him ratings. It's all about ME ME ME with him. What was his priority? His precious little SPORTS radio show. NOT his news show, not in promoting the Democratic party line. I mean shouldn't he be jumping at the chance to provide the liberal programming you loons seem to think is so sorely lacking on television these days if he's the great Edward R. Olbermann that you idiots seem to think he is? But nope, it's all about the sports show for Olby. Oh, and once again, on Sunday, he had the time to take part in a chat to push his book sales on a leftist blog but he had no time to provide an extra hour of programming for MSNBC. NOT one. Why would that be exactly? Here, let me tell you: it's all about what Olby wants and what he wants is to promote himself, take the cash and do as little work as humanly possible. Mr. Dedicated my ass. But it's amusing watching you lefties believe his liberal bullshit. Oh, and who among you will conceed (finally) that he does the Oddball and silly stuff because he WANTS too not because the MSNBC corporate executives force him to do so???? Really just how stupid can you people be?

Olbybabble with Howard Dean. This is rich.

So Olbermann is so horrible. He is a "leftist" stooge. A democratic party croney. Well so what. According to polls, the majority of Americans agree with him.

Most believe that the Iraq war was wrong.

Most believe that the administration misled us about the war.

Most believe the Iraq war has not made us safer.

Most people do not like Rumsfeld.

Most people disapprove of the job Bush is doing.

All these views have been expressed in the pieces you love to hate called "special comments". I guess this proves that Keith is much closer to the feelings of Americans than the ones who run this site.

Citizen Keith is feeling might rightous tonight. He's ready to dig down deep for "special comment."

Like a marathon runner heading up cardiac hill, his insides are ready to spill out his vitriolic hatred for Bush and the GOP, all over the teleprompter.

My family (god love 'em) insists on watching football. I have convinced them to pop some corn and watch Olbyloon to see the man who sits at the left hand of Michael Moore. Yea, it's possible.

Here comes KO !!

Citizen Keith is feeling might rightous tonight. He's ready to dig down deep for "special comment."

Like a marathon runner heading up cardiac hill, his insides are ready to spill out his vitriolic hatred for Bush and the GOP, all over the teleprompter.

My family (god love 'em) insists on watching football. I have convinced them to pop some corn and watch Olbyloon to see the man who sits at the left hand of Michael Moore. Yea, it's possible.

Here comes KO !!

Citizen Keith is feeling might rightous tonight. He's ready to dig down deep for "special comment."

Like a marathon runner heading up cardiac hill, his insides are ready to spill out his vitriolic hatred for Bush and the GOP, all over the teleprompter.

My family (god love 'em) insists on watching football. I have convinced them to pop some corn and watch Olbyloon to see the man who sits at the left hand of Michael Moore. Yea, it's possible.

Here comes KO !!

Johnny, I really hope that you quote the gibberish Olbyspeak that Edward R. Moron just spewed to Howard Dean.

And Olby's about to tell us about sexual immorality. Finally, he's commenting on something he knows about.

anon, if by sexual immorality, you mean dating hot young women then yeah Olbermann knows a lot about that. I figure you don't.

I mean shouldn't he be jumping at the chance to provide the liberal programming you loons seem to think is so sorely lacking on television these days if he's the great Edward R. Olbermann that you idiots seem to think he is?
Posted by: Keith's a Fraud at November 6, 2006 08:30 PM
I don't need Keith to be Edward R. Murrow. I don't need him providing liberal programing. I watch him because his point of view on this administration is right on and most of the country shares it believe it or not. You think he tells MSNBC corporate executives what to do, or does only what he wants? They know he is telling a truth to a segmant of society that needs to hear it. I am glad it ammuses you that "leftys" believe his liberal bullshit. It isn't liberal bullshit to me, It is the truth that you cant accept about the worst administration since the 1800's or ever. And you support it? Wow!

No, I don't know anything about dating hot young women, you're correct. Neither does Olby, apparently.

Keith's:

Stupid, we are not. You guys don't seem to get it at all....it's not about Keith's personality or his other pre-occupations. It's not what he calls his show. It's not his silly segments such as "Oddball". It's not his personal life. It's not how he promotes himself It's none of that.

IT'S WHAT HE IS SAYING, STUPID! He is saying things that no one else on the air dares to say. He is saying things I believe and wish I could say to a mass audience. He is standing up to power and, I for one, think that is fantastic.

My definition of stupid is sticking with an administration that has (1) - started and became bogged down in an un-necessary war that has killed and wounded many thousands. Then he presided over the most incompetent prosecution of a war in the nation's history, (2) - Put the Country deeper in debt than ever before, (3) - Shredded the Constitution and the Geneva Convention, & (4) - Devided the country more than any President has in recent memory.

Thats the classic definition of "stupid"....to keep right on doing what isn't working and got you in trouble in the first place, or sticking with someone does!

No, it's WHAT HE'S SAYING IS STUPID. You don't hear anyone else saying what he says because he makes it up.

Well there's one Worse Person in the World you can't argue with. That guy who dressed up as a terrorist was a jackass.

Thats the classic definition of "stupid"....to keep right on doing what isn't working and got you in trouble in the first place,

Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2006 08:48 PM

That's actually a defination of insanity. And they call us Olbyloons. Will the real loons please stand up and rise for the salute to the decider. You know you must.

No, it's WHAT HE'S SAYING IS STUPID. You don't hear anyone else saying what he says because he makes it up.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 6, 2006 08:53 PM

The American people are saying this. Please check the polls.

I'm glad Olby was not around on D-Day. French would be speaking German.

Anonymous:

You can post a cooment and hid under "anonymous" that says absolutely nothing. You can call someone stupid who clearly articulates his position to the world without stating YOUR case or showing why it isn't YOU who is the stupid one?

Well, the Dems are sweating because the GOP just gained on them in the last 2 days. If you read anything other than blue blogs, you'd know that.

Oh Citizen Keith!...such the rightous blowhard.
He has all the answers. His eyeglasses are 20/20 hindsight...Sorry Keith, I'm not part of your "We the People"

You can post a cooment and hid under "anonymous" that says absolutely nothing. You can call someone stupid who clearly articulates his position to the world without stating YOUR case or showing why it isn't YOU who is the stupid one?

Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2006 08:57 PM

What is the difference between Mike and anonymous. I mean it's an internet board. If your name is actually John and not Mike, aren't you hiding too or does it really not matter? I don't think it does

Another great special comment from Keith. The pictures of the founding fathers brings to mind what a weak excuse for leadership we have had for too long. A nation of laws, not of men. We know what they would think. At least some do.

Amazing that Scarborough has whored his conservative beliefs for Olbermann's lead-in audience of pinheads.

The pathetic case that Olby makes is regurgitated blue blog text that you moonbats eat up because it sounds like "truth to power." At best, it's his opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. The word "truthiness" was meant for Olby.

Yada:

I think it matters, and, by the way, my name actually is Mike. However, The most important point I tried to make is how stupid someone looks by calling someone else "stupid" without justifying THEIR position with actual facts, and then doing it anonymously!

Scarborough is enjoying this burying the GOP...amazing

Amazing that Scarborough has whored his conservative beliefs for Olbermann's lead-in audience of pinheads.

Posted by: Little Feechie at November 6, 2006 09:03 PM

He has not whored his conservative beliefs. He has consistently been skeptical of the actions of the republicans in congress and especially the president. It doesn't diminish you as a conservative to not support this administration. There are plenty out there that do not. They are still conservative.

Sorry Keith, I'm not part of your "We the People"

Posted by: Little Feechie at November 6, 2006 09:00 PM

Really. Well what part of We the People are you from? You don't believe in the constitution if it gets in your way. I think that would be something you would agree with. You say the french would be speaking german if Keith was in their day. You are an enabler of something close to a dictatorship, at least as close as we've come and you have something to say? Sorry feechie, I'm not part of your anti-We the people cult.

This is the Internet, Mike. Anyone can say they are anybody. What makes the difference if I post anonymously, make up a name or use my real name? Your comments have no less merit if you call yourself "Mike" or "refrigerator."

And Howard Dean is on LKL and just said the polls are now tight.

This is the Internet, Mike. Anyone can say they are anybody. What makes the difference if I post anonymously, make up a name or use my real name? Your comments have no less merit if you call yourself "Mike" or "refrigerator."

Posted by: Anonymous at November 6, 2006 09:11 PM

The difference is you have a name that you can identify with when they say something you can relate it to something they said in the past. You sort of know who you are talking to. Everyone is anonymous to everyone else already.

Is the MIKE who posts here the idiot who runs the ko.org website? I'm surprised he hasn't put a link to his site yet, he's as good at whoring his pathetic little message board with it's 2 or 3 obviously deranged posters as Olby is as whoring books.

Moveon.org robocalled me twice in the last two days to ensure that I go out and vote. Who do I call to throw the book at them?

Anon- here's the deal. There are so many anons on this site it's silly to even try to respond to one because you don't know which anon will respond back. Sometimes you can't even tell if back to back anon posts are the same person or not. Just take a second and punch in a name. Any name! And hit the "yes" on the remember me.

Sorry Coda -

Keith's entitled to say whatever the hell he wants. He's a loon...plain and simple.

Little Feechie

Yada...

Scarborough sees Olby's lead-in audience. It's his mother lode and he's sold his soul.

MSNBC truly amazes me...They've all exited stage left.

I think the races are much closer than MSNBC thinks...It ought to be fun tommorrow watching the pallbearers....Matthews, Olby, Huffington....I'm gonna wretch.

Sorry Coda -

Keith's entitled to say whatever the hell he wants. He's a loon...plain and simple.

Little Feechie

Posted by: Little Feechie at November 6, 2006 09:19 PM

That is a opinion that you are most welcome to share with the world. I have no problem with "He's a loon...plain and simple." I just disagree.

Anonymous: using a screen name makes it a little easier to know who you're conversing with. I agree with you that using a name like 'Sandy' is no different than using a name like "poliguy3000'. But whatever monniker you go with, in my opinion it helps to have something other than "anonymous", unless you are just making a drive-by comment and don't plan on coming back to have a conversation. Sometimes more than one person uses the screenname anonymous and then it is hard to tell who is saying what.

In any event, in regards to your comment "the Dems are sweating because the GOP just gained on them in the last 2 days."

I think you have been watching/reading/listening to the MSM too much. They have been busy selectively reporting polls to make it appear as if there is this big tidal wave comeback for the GOP. What is interesting though is what is in the polls they are not reporting, such as a new SUSA poll that shows Webb up 8% in Virginia, Ford within the margin of error in Tennessee, and Davis within the margin of error in the FL-Gov race.

Now when I say the media is not reporting these polls, I don't mean absolutely, I mean in terms of the coverage they are giving to other polls. Fox News, for example, has been touting a Pew research poll which shows a 4% margin in the general congressional poll, while mostly passing over a poll from CNN which was about 18%, and even a new Fox poll which was I beleive around 13%. News networks could have easily spent all day on these polls to make it look like the Democrats will easily surge to victory. The polls they are selectively touting could be the right ones. But they could just as easily be wrong.

Personally I beleive the reason the MSM is doing this is because it is in their best interest to have the races be as close as possible. Contested races would be great for the media- all of the ongoing coverage it offers them, and respective ratings increases. If Dems or Reps win in a landslide, the media loses.

But all things considered, there are many polls across the landscape and they all say different things. So you can't logically conclude Republicans have turned the tide, and you can't conclude they haven't. But you can find a poll out there somewhere to cite that will support any conclusion you want to make about tomorrow ahead of time.

Keith's (or whatever):

You went from a question to an assumption....much the same way most right wingers get their "facts". No, I don't have a message board, and no, I won't stoop to the name calling you are so adept at doing. Is that ALL you are capable of doing?

You know, there hasn't been one intelligent anti-Olby post here this evening. It's nothing but name calling and kooky comments. Do you guys have anything to offer that actually refutes what Olby has said?

People need to vote. Plain and simple. No matter who you want. That's America.

Most people don't want the lefties in control IMHO.

Feechie: The third letter i "IMHO" is "humble". That does not sound like a very humble opinion...

Well, the Washington Post, you know, that conservative bible (HA!), has been telling me that the race has tightened and the Dems are nervous. And that right-wing pub (NOT), the New York Times, reported the same. And so did Howard Dean. And Harold Ford didn't look too composed on LKL. So who am I watching too much of? Hmmm...

Go ahead... Pick on Harold Ford Jr. It is fun to get humiliated in a failing election...

LK just said "Daily Kos" rhymes with "gross." LOLOLOLOL. Hey moonbats - one of your heroes is on CNN now.

As I said anon, you are watching to much of the MSM, which encompasses most all media outlets. I know my piece was a little long, but if you read it through I explain what I beleive the MSM is doing and why they are claiming the races are tightening. Look at the polls they selectively cite and the ones thek skip over and you will see a pattern.

That's what Olby does too!

every night, Johnny $ or Bob provide summaries and refute Olbermann's "facts". And every single night the Olbyloons descend, declare that it's all a pack of lies, and Olby is a prophet of some kind. Honestly do you people just not read or do you just not think?

And you don't consider Olby to be MSM? He's works for the MSM.

Sandy,

I think you are correct in saying the media wants tight races and that will make for a more exciting night for them and justify all their money and hype for the election.

As much as I have seen Kos shill on MSM the past 6 months, I think we can safely consider him to have moved to the Dark Side now. He's mainstream.

Are you saying that Olby is just hyping the election for money and ratings? Nooooooo!

Mike this place is a Romper Room for "Little" wing nuts.

What they are here for is a feeling of having a group to fit into. The more of them here at one time the dumber they act. About what you would find on a play ground during recess. No clue about politics or the society they shadow in.

There is no "Main Stream Media" .. it is just a sloagan to make people look bad...

Tell that to Sandy.

keiths books is now #778 in Books on amazon.com

"The Worst Person in the World" is not really a book. It is a book, but it doesn't showcase Keith Olbermann's brilliance like an authored book...

Are you saying that Olby is just hyping the election for money and ratings? Nooooooo!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 6, 2006 09:40 PM

Nooooo! I'm not stupid enough to believe money and ratings aren't a factor in the media or Keiths show. That doesn't mean what he's saying isn't right on the button with his comments.

With all the typos that I associate with a brilliant author.

Anon wrote :Well, the Washington Post, you know, that conservative bible (HA!), has been telling me that the race has tightened and the Dems are nervous. And that right-wing pub (NOT), the New York Times, reported the same. And so did Howard Dean. And Harold Ford didn't look too composed on LKL. So who am I watching too much of? Hmmm..."

You really just proved my point there. If these outlets were all liberally biased and hating on the Republicans, don't you think they would have chosen to selectively cite the polls that show Dem gains (SUSA Webb, SUSA and Gallup generic and FL, SUSA TN, CNN, Fox generic) rather than the polls which show Republican gains (MSNBC McClatchey, Pew, WaPo)? I mean if the MSM is so liberal, why are they selectively citing polls to make it appear like there is a mounting GOP comeback? I could be wrong, but it really seems to me like the reason they do it is to have a close (read exciting) race, with the hope of a drawn out conclusion which would attract more viewers.

In regards to your question about KO, of course KO is hyping the election for money and ratings. That's the same reason he bashes Bush more than any TV pundit out there. I beleive with the individual pundits though, there are also personal beliefs added to the mix. Olbermann is playing to an audience no doubt, but I genuinely beleive he dislikes the modern GOP and most of its leaders, just like I beleive Sean Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, and John "Saddam Has Nukes" Gibson add their personal beliefs into a format that they think plays to an audience.

GREETINGS, EARTH PEOPLE.

I am THOR-RAM, from the planet takurats.

Fear not, for we come in peace.

Many of you have noticed that the entity known as Keith Olbermann has been reflecting electromagnetic waves in the range of the spectrum known as "green" and "orange" lately. This can be explained, but first we must backtrack a little.

On our planet there is a race of beings we refer to as the boonmats. These beings are collectively addicted to the fruit of the turnyougoofy plant. Over the millenia, the DNA structure of the boonmats has been altered by the fruit of the wicked plant, causing mass dementia. The governing council of our planet, of which I am a member, has decided to end their suffering. The boonmats have been looking for a leader to lead them into the light. We are using that desire to help us to help them. I have been assigned the task of finding that new leader.

One day my wife and I were watching Intergalactic Geographic Explorer on the TV. It is one of our favorite shows. We have many laughs watching primitive life forms from various planets in our galaxy, the earth being one of them. One day we were watching and the subjects being studied were a group of earth entities that are "unhinged" over the entity known as George W. Bush. One unhinged one stood out. His name: Keith Olbermann. I give credit to my wife. She suggested that this entity Olbermann might be uniquely qualified to take charge of our boonmats. As soon as she suggested it to me I found the idea appealing. After careful investigation, the entity Olbermann became one of the finalists for the position.

Getting back to the green and orange part, it is due to the high intensity gamma rays we are projecting onto the set of Countdown. These rays similate the conditions one would have to endure on our planet. We are happy to report that the entity Olbermann has withstood the rays rather well.

But now we must decide which finalist is to be selected, the entity Olbermann, or another entity from another planet. The review committee is soon to meet.

If the committee selects the entity Olbermann then the following scenario will happen:

The Republicans will hold on to both houses of Congress due to our manipulations. On the night when the results are known the entity Olbermann will appear to have a nervous breakdown on the air. Then our agents will appear on stage as nurses, taking the entity Olbermann away forever.

Safely tucked away in our "rocket ship" as you silly earthlings like to call it, we will perform bio-engineering on him. His brain will be removed from his body and placed in the body of a healthy boonmab specimen. It will be a challenge because the typical boonmat is only two feet tall. And the term "bio engineering", as you earth people call it, is exponentially more complex then you can even begin to comprehend. To call what we will do to the entity Olbermann "bio engineering" is analogous to a primitive on your planet referring to jet airplanes as "iron birds that fly". Suffice it to say that we will fit that brain into the two foot body. Worry not, earth people, for the entity Olbermann will feel no pain at all.

The entity Olbermann will, using his own personal pathologies and attributes, soon become the leader of the boonmats on our planet. Then, at the proper time, the entity Olbermann will be tempted by the call of a sweet young thing, one that has much allure. The calls will eminate from a cave which leads to inside of our planet. Our pied piper will call the entity Olbermann, and Olbermann the pied piper will draw his minions along for the ride. Once all boonmats are inside the bowels of our planet, the entrance to the cave will be sealed forever. Voila! Problem solved.

But what is to happen to "Countdown"? Worry not, as we have come up with a resolution for that problem. Our sources tell us that the entity known as Phil Donahue is tanned, fit, rested, and ready to resume in his old time slot. The entity Donahue states that he will go "balls to the wall", even "way over the top" to prove that he can be as unhinged as anyone. The entity Donahue is already talking trash, even. "When that punk was in 7th grade I was the King of Daytime". But that was before the entity Oprah clobbered his ass. The bottom line is that the entity Donahue is already talking trash, and that bodes well for the future. We also have agents scouring the planet, searching for the former broadcast partner of the entity Donahue: the Commie Vladimir Pozner. If he is found this could easily turn into a "2 for 1" deal. In other words, it is a "Win-Win" for Countdown viewers.

Thanks to you, earth people, for your cooperation. We wish you all well in your future endeavors.

Only Keith would end his "specious comment" with the word "vote" when he doesn't even bother to vote. Seems Olby has a habit of urging others to do exactly that which he does not (e.g. "think," "vote," "tell the truth" etc etc).

Brandon:

I was referring to "this evening", and not the opening post by Johnny. Yes, I agree Johnny and Mr. Cox usually do intelligent posts, even though I usually disagree with what they say. However, most of the anti-Olby posts sound silly, condescending, and just plain stupid. Why would you want to portray yourselves that way?

Codas, Sandy, Indierik, and others actually make points and for the most part, all they get are silly responses. Who do you say the "loons" are?

Please Thor-Ram: Take Olby to the mother planet ASAP. And his loons with you if you don't mind.

"every night, Johnny $ or Bob provide summaries and refute Olbermann's "facts". And every single night the Olbyloons descend, declare that it's all a pack of lies, and Olby is a prophet of some kind. Honestly do you people just not read or do you just not think?
Posted by: Brandon at November 6, 2006 09:35 PM"

Olbyloons? "refute facts" is it me or does this whole comment reflect any kind of thinking at all.

Who the hell is going to refute the fact that George Bush is an idiot that planned the invasion of Iraq well before 911 and refused to meet with Richard Clarke about "Osama Bin Laden determined to strike inside of America"?

The only Loons around this place are the fools that pick a person out of crowd and stalk him as a group.

You ever stay late and watch the retired Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough on MSNBC? Ever listen to his commentaries? They are full of expose's of the idiotic antics of Bush. Joe Scarborough loves Bill Maher simply because Maher is a comedic genius that slams Bush nightly. John Stewart? David Letterman? Both of these guys get regular coverage on Scarborough Country when ever they are making fun of Bush.

These so called facts are not refutable, the whole country is laughing at the idiotic antics of the clown George Bush. We all are laughing at the even bigger clowns like you and Johnny$ and Bob as you hopelessly try to defend Bush.

November 7th is only one more night, then your bubble will only be a wet spot on the lawn. Poor babies!

Thanks to you, earth people, for your cooperation. We wish you all well in your future endeavors.

Posted by: THOR-RAM at November 6, 2006 09:53 PM

Attention Earth people:

There is an entity called THOR-RAM loose on your planet. He is what we call a Ningwut from the outer galaxy called Repelicania. He thinks that he was inplanted with something you people would call a brain but it is like a placebo thing. We just wanted him to think he had one. It is actually only apple sause. Disregard his mess.

"We just wanted him to think he had one. It is actually only apple sause. Disregard his mess."

So Coldass you are saying Bush has apple sauce for a brain?

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IMPORTANT FORM LETTER -- READ AND PRINT
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Dear friends,

Election day is upon us. As our leader has asked, we must vote. He is, of course, impartial, but we at the fan club get the sense he wants us to vote for Democrats. That having been said, we must also point out the inevitable voter fraud that Rethuglicans plan to perpetrate on Election day. Please copy the letter below, fill in the blanks, and mail it to your local newspaper AFTER VOTING! Again, you must do this AFTER you vote, not before.

Dear Editor,

I went to my polling place, (insert polling place here), and to my surprise I felt intimidated by GOP lawyers looking at me askance. I was then interrogated by (give name of polling staff) who tried to make it difficult to vote. While all this was going on, the (electronic voting machines OR decrepit old voting apparatus) were obviously in short supply. The line was far too long and several minorities with jobs at Wal Mart had to leave the line due to time constraints from their non-union employer. In addition, non-minorities were given the cleaner, more efficient booths and preferential treatment. By the time I voted, I was exhausted and confused, and may even have voted for the wrong person. As I was leaving, I saw staff lurking at the back of the (Diebold machines OR old fashioned rickety machines) and I heard one person say, "make sure you only eliminate a few hundred votes -- otherwise the Democrat lawyers will catch on."

Need I say more? I demand an investigation.

Sincerely,

(Place your name here)

what a way to make light of serious voting problems that are genuine and affect American citizens, Olbermann Fan Club Alert. If you watch Fox, you can see Republicans are already claiming the potential for there to be massive voter fraud from the left, and they played this same card in 2004. Unfortunately both parties use this as a political tool which minimizes its seriousness.

the person who posted below me asked for aked photos of me and keith.

voters are losers. when you are waiting in line tomorrow i'br getting high and having mind blowing sex.

Sandy, it's easy to see why you like Olby so much - you are both paranoid conspiracy theorists. Do you think Harold Ford appears to be anxious and Howard Dean admits that the race is tight to get ratings for MSM?

So, Olby is shilling for MSM and might be citing skewed poll numbers like the rest of MSM to get money and ratings, but you still adore him? Why, because he says what you want to hear?

Oh and THOR-RAM, LOL! I was wondering what that green glow was. Do you think THOR-RAM is a real name or one that is made up? Because it matters, you know.

So Coldass you are saying Bush has apple sauce for a brain?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 6, 2006 10:02 PM

Do people just come here to make up silly names for people like I did when I was in the third grade? Then of course they just do it anonymously. Ask not for who the loons are, they are thee.

Anonymous is a child molestor! You better 'register' before you vote! Sicko. I wonder how many kids you brushed against on Halloween?

"Thanks to you, earth people, for your cooperation. We wish you all well in your future endeavors.
Posted by: THOR-RAM at November 6, 2006 09:53 PM"

Wow what an effort. Dude you have been playing way to much Dungeons and Dragons in your parents basement.

Phil Donahue was pulled from the air as his rating soared through the roof by any standard of measuring a new show on cable news. Donahue was pulled for one reason - he was slamming Bush and his adventure in Iraq with deadly accuracy. Donahue is about as articulate as they come when talking politics. In contrast, you my friend would fit in perfectly at a Star Trek convention.

Long posts like yours would be read by one person - your Dungeons and Dragons partner that stays late after all your other chums go home to their parents basement.

Go Shower and walk it off before you sit down to write.

"Anonymous is a child molestor! You better 'register' before you vote! Sicko. I wonder how many kids you brushed against on Halloween?
Posted by: k-fed at November 6, 2006 10:13 PM"

Ever wonder why K-fed always find an excuse to bring up such subject matter. I think it falls in line with Ted Haggard being against gays and Mark Foley being a champion of child protection laws.

K-fed is a habitual table turner to the subject. A clear indication of where his mind is parked idling and running out of gas. A total loser with no ability to put a real horse in a race.

Anon, I am not sure where I professed to like Keith Olbermann so much, perhaps you can quote that back to me. But I will say I don't think he is wrong 100% of the time like most of you guys do and the OlbermannLied(TM) movement on the right has about as much credence to it as the BushLied(TM) movement on the left.

In any event, I thought Harold Ford appeared very confident- he knows he is the better candidate and has a very good shot at winning that race in a red state. That's my opinion. Your opinion is that he's all anxious and nervous and scared or whatever. Fine, but what does that have to do with whether or not the race is tightening? If he came out and said, "wow, this race is over and I am going to endorse Bob Corker", then you would have a point. Howard Dean said some races have tightened a bit. But he also pointed out that other numbers show some races widening- and this is what polls are showing. The MSM seems content to focus only on those polls that suggest a GOP comeback. Most Republicans I have heard talk today have said losing the House is a forgone conclusion and keeping the Senate by a slim margin is a best case scenario. The exception would be the official Republicans like Ken Mehlman. Though former RNC chair Ed Gillespie said there is no possible way the GOP makes any gains this year. I don't necessarily agree with all of that, but if you want to talk about who seems more worried, it seems to me to be the GOP. Part of the reason may be that they too want expectations on the Dem side to be very high, that way if the Dems only pick up 14 house seats and 3 Senate seats, the RNC/MSM can spend the next two years talking about "another major democratic electorate failure" instead of focusing on gains dems made.

In any even, I don't blame the GOP, I don't think they ever imagined in a million years that there would be a possibility they could lose control of the house after all that strategic gerrymandering. Its not over yet, of course.

Mike this place is a Romper Room for "Little" wing nuts.

What they are here for is a feeling of having a group to fit into. The more of them here at one time the dumber they act. About what you would find on a play ground during recess. No clue about politics or the society they shadow in.

Posted by: Who's Watching? at November 6, 2006 09:40 PM

And we'd beat you up and take your milk money. But your on the "free" lunch program so its our money anyway.

What are you going to win exactly? The House, yes, more than likely. But the Senate? Still doubtful. And so what exactly can you do without the Senate, without the Supreme Court, without the White House? Do you really think that the House can wave a magic wand and immediately "fix" what you think is broken without the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court? Dream on. LOL.

"But I will say I don't think he is wrong 100% of the time like most of you guys do and the OlbermannLied(TM) movement on the right has about as much credence to it as the BushLied(TM) movement on the left. Posted by: Sandy at November 6, 2006 10:24 PM"

"About as much credence as Bush Lied" Uhhh where the hell have you been the last 5 years. Do you not give any credibility to Colon Powel? Powel says in no uncertain terms that Bush knowing lied about Sadam having the beginnings of nuclear weaponry, Bush's key theme in his state of the union before sending 3000 Americans to their death in Iraq. Do you think your eyes would be lying if you took the time to Google the background on Bush pre 911? Bush having made clear and on record that his goal as president was to get into Iraq and over throw Sadam?

Now we can't get out of Iraq because the idiot Bush destabilized the region leaving Iran more powerful and more influential in the region than before he "lied" and put his pre 911 plan into action to take Iraq.

Your whole piece above labors to appear respectful at the expense of reality and the facts. By your actions you are more of a fool than those you try to bring up to your phony standards of civil discourse.

With more than a hundred thousand dead innocent men, women and children in Iraq and this causing our nation to be more hated and targeted than ever before, I think your genteel manor smacks of pretentious garbage. Get clue man!

"But I will say I don't think he is wrong 100% of the time like most of you guys do and the OlbermannLied(TM) movement on the right has about as much credence to it as the BushLied(TM) movement on the left. Posted by: Sandy at November 6, 2006 10:24 PM"

"About as much credence as Bush Lied" Uhhh where the hell have you been the last 5 years. Do you not give any credibility to Colon Powel? Powel says in no uncertain terms that Bush knowing lied about Sadam having the beginnings of nuclear weaponry, Bush's key theme in his state of the union before sending 3000 Americans to their death in Iraq. Do you think your eyes would be lying if you took the time to Google the background on Bush pre 911? Bush having made clear and on record that his goal as president was to get into Iraq and over throw Sadam?

Now we can't get out of Iraq because the idiot Bush destabilized the region leaving Iran more powerful and more influential in the region than before he "lied" and put his pre 911 plan into action to take Iraq.

Your whole piece above labors to appear respectful at the expense of reality and the facts. By your actions you are more of a fool than those you try to bring up to your phony standards of civil discourse.

With more than a hundred thousand dead innocent men, women and children in Iraq and this causing our nation to be more hated and targeted than ever before, I think your genteel manor smacks of pretentious garbage. Get clue man!

Um, yeah, the House has no impact on how the government works, Olb...fraud. You may want to go back to your American Government textbook and have another look at that.

Sure, winning the House is not the same thing as winning both chambers and the presidency, but considering just two years ago the GOP said the Democratic party received it's final blow, considering that the GOP has had all three branches of goverment for the bulk of the last six years, it definitely would be quite an acheivment. And no one I have heard on the left thinks that any kind of win tomorrow will fix all the damage the GOP has done. But you start one step at a time, and winning back the house would be, well, one giant step for the Democratic party. 2008 will be another test for them. Though I applaud you for being one of the few willing to admit that SCOTUS is in the pocket of the GOP, that's definitely true.

"And we'd beat you up and take your milk money. But your on the "free" lunch program so its our money anyway.
Posted by: Welfare is Slavery at November 6 2006 10:33 PM"

"Free lunch"? "Welfare is Slavery"?

Uhhh fool, you care to ponder that "welfare" is the use of tax dollars at tax payers expense? With this in mind would care to compare the amount of tax dollars that go to subsidies for wealthy corporations vs. the amount that goes to the poor? How about the huge cut in family farm subsidies the Republicans have been making all the while large corporate farms get more tax subsidies added onto the many others they have already been given? You clearly are suffering from a rectal cranial inversion of the worst kind. How does smell in there?

Your welfare theme is about as full of holes as your are full hot air. Get and education before you try to play with the big boys fool!

The good guys hold the house by 10. Senate by 4. Anyone who thinks any different is watching/reading to much Blue state media. BBYE Democrat party. Death by cannabalism. Gonna be fun to watch. Hope they take to the streets in anger and violence....somewhere near me please lord.

WhosWatching, you are part of the reason that no one in the country has any respect for extreme left wingnuts. You give the Democratic party a bad name, genuine Democrats have to sit there and spend entire election cycles defending themselves against the nutty things you say. Go start your own party, and see if you every get more than 1% of the vote. And while you are at it, pray tell where Powell has said "in no uncertain terms that Bush knowing lied about Sadam having the beginnings of nuclear weaponry".

First, Saddam did have the beginnings, that was never the question. The Bush administration said he had WMD already and that an attack was a clear and immediate danger. That was wrong. But being wrong is different from lying. I have a tendency not to believe Bush and I campaign against him for that and other things, but I am not going to throw around the word "liar" like a mindless wingnut unless I have clearcut evidence I am right. I am not saying Bush has never lied, nor am I saying KO has never lied. But you folks really need to clamp it closed when it comes to generalizations and talk facts instead of fairy tale wishful thinking.

I don't say things in an effor to get respect from people, I say what I beleive, and I don't care what you or the loons on the far right think about it. If you disagree with me, give me some specific facts instead of this KnownFact(TM) BS that you extremists spout all the time.

How many jobs do poor people create? How much do they pay in tax's? Sure smart guy I need an education. But I obviously couldnt get it from you. Learn economics dummy. Corporate welfare is just a rebate on being overtaxed. The buying of, power by politicians with the corporations own $$$. Wake up Rip van Winkle. Get some smarts.

"The good guys hold the house by 10. Senate by 4. Anyone who thinks any different is watching/reading to much Blue state media. BBYE Democrat party. Death by cannabalism. Gonna be fun to watch. Hope they take to the streets in anger and violence....somewhere near me please lord.
Posted by: Welfare is Slavery at November 6, 2006 10:52 PM"

"...somewhere near me please lord."

The use of the lords name to demonstrate he's man of violence. That is sooo Christian Republican.

Now with your - Fox News strait from the pussy coward, Shawn Hannity's mouth, your predictions, let's see if this coward who is big enough to not be on welfare shows his face here tomorrow when Shaun Hannity's worst nightmare comes true tomorrow night.

I will repost this welfare fraud's post then and we all can laugh at the biggest fool on this page. A real tough guy that wishes he had a brain but he'll settle for acting like a man by suggesting he wishes he could meet his foes in the "street". Huge coward!

The good guys hold the house by 10. Senate by 4. Anyone who thinks any different is watching/reading to much Blue state media. BBYE Democrat party. Death by cannabalism. Gonna be fun to watch. Hope they take to the streets in anger and violence....somewhere near me please lord.

Posted by: Welfare is Slavery at November 6, 2006 10:52 PM

" 6 weeks maybe, I don't think 6 months"
"Yes I do think we will be greeted as liberators"
"The insurgency is in it's last throes"
"Your doing a heckuva job Brownie"
"Stay the course"
"I was never about stay the course"

I stopped taking seriously predictions or observations from some long ago. No credibilty left.

And another thing, WhosWatching. If you possess such great knowledge and facts about the situation that I evidently do not, why not politely explain it to me and provide sources? Perhaps I could learn something from you. Why not try to teach me what you know rather than call me a moron or a fool? The problem with you is you think you know everything there is to know about the matter when much of the information surrounding this whole issue is still classified. I, on the otherhand, would prefer to wait for more facts to come out (and hopefully they will if the Dems win tomorrow) and then cast judgements and call names. Do you really think posts like the one you wrote above are going to get people over in your corner? Sometimes I wonder if people like you aren't just GOP trolls out there to give Dems a bad name. Seriously...

Mike,

I again have to remind you that Bush was not alone in taking our country to war. Our soldiers in general seem to support the administration, from what I have been able to glean from various posts. I have read that many soldiers are re-enlisting. I don't know if that is true; maybe a military web site can confirm. Our soldiers are the ones who have to do the fighting and dying. They must believe in what they are doing.

I would also like to respond to the alleged loss of constitutional rights and ignoring of the Geneva Convention. Do you really believe that this administration is so evil that it will imprison people at the whim of the president (as Olbermann suggests)? Hasn't traitorous activity of American citizens always cost citizens their freedom? The subject legislation doesn't target AMericans who happen to dissent from the administration's point of view. If some future evil administration and political hacks (as I believe Olbermann phrased it) want to carry it to some dangerous extreme, that end could be achieved without the present legislation.

Concerning the Geneva Convention, Olbermann suggests that our soldiers are now in danger of having their human rights ignored. I would just direct you to view the tapes of what happened to our soldiers who were captured this past June. (Thank God they were likely dead already, a fact the families may not know because no one would seriously cover the story). I watched them; Olbermann did not. I also watched the beheading video of Eugene Armstrong, who was only a poor civilian. Those people are animals. I also read accounts of what happened to the Japanese P.O.W's and Vietnam P.O.W.'s. I do believe in according P.O.W.'s basic human rights. Those rights will not be reciprocated. Blaming Bush is irrelevant.

"How many jobs do poor people create? How much do they pay in tax's? Sure smart guy I need an education. But I obviously couldnt get it from you. Learn economics dummy. Corporate welfare is just a rebate on being overtaxed. The buying of, power by politicians with the corporations own $$$. Wake up Rip van Winkle. Get some smarts.
Posted by: Welfare is Slavery at November 6, 2006 10:59 PM"

So you are saying that people on welfare don't get free medical care that doctors profit from? Free medications on the highest priced pharmaceuticals in the free world (price fixing by the Republican party) don't benefit the largest profiting group in the Fortune 500?

Are you saying doctors/hospitals and drug companies don't employ anyone? Are you stupid or what?

You must remember your place is in the "street" showing the world that your a man by meeting up with Democrats face to face.

You are a despicable coward that talks tough simply because you are frustrated from your lack of brains.

Fact is you can't back up either your place in the "street" or your place here. A bully-wanna-be with zero clout.

You're dead-on KFK.

"Corporate welfare is just a rebate on being overtaxed." Great talking point, except if you read any tax book written by any rich person, they will tell you the rich don't pay taxes. Robert Kiyosaki is one example. Oh sure, they pay some income tax, but the money comes right back to them and then some, whether it be via pork barrel, land grants, bailouts, bankruptcy laws which allow them to wipe all debt, depreciation options, tax exemptions, lawsuit protection, and I could go on and on. And that doesn't even cover businesses who take advantage of tax shelters and other things along that line. These options are not available to workers. I know, I know, it's their fault because they didn't work hard enough to own a big corporation themself. The bottom line is corporate welfare far outpaces the classic talking point of welfare where mothers allegedly have 45 babies just to get more welfare checks.

"The bottom line is corporate welfare far outpaces the classic talking point of welfare where mothers allegedly have 45 babies just to get more welfare checks.
Posted by: Sandy at November 6, 2006 11:14 PM"

Ouch!

Do you really believe that this administration is so evil that it will imprison people at the whim of the president (as Olbermann suggests)?

Posted by: sharm at November 6, 2006 11:09 PM

I think Olbermann and others point is not that this administration is imprisoning people at their whim, it's that they have left a legal door open for them or the next guy to do so. You and others may trust Bush. Will you trust the next administration? I don't really doubt that Bush's intentions are good and proper in his own mind. Things happen and events can dictate that before you know it someone else is in charge using the same tools Bush wants to do things that are not as narrowly defined as they are now. Like impisoning politcal opposition. Don't think it can't happen here, it can. Even a website like this, which by the way I think is wonderful in spite of it being anti-Keith would be monitered and if you weren't lining up right, you would get a visit. I for one, fear that day.

If I understand Mr. Olbermann's views correctly, the political party in a multi-party democracy that is OUT of power does not have to offer an alternative platform or policies to the public?

They may solely opposed the policies of the party in power? They do not have to propose any policies of their own?

Huh?

Does this also mean, then, that if the minority party or the party out of power wins the election, they may do WHATEVER THEY WANT policy-wise? Since they don't have to offer an alternative during an election, then whatever they do once in power is okay?

If the Democrats win election tomorrow, they can enact any legislation they want?

So, what Mr. Olbermann is saying is that campaigns don't matter? Why even cover them? Why even have them? Why should parties have national platforms? Why should candidates promise things?

Sorry, this is so asinine it's embarassing that this gentleman is on television pontificating on issues of national importance.

Silly.

Well stated, Codas. The issue isn't that this government is totalitarian themselves, it is that they are starting to get rid of some of the protections that are in place to prevent totalitarianism from ever coming to this country. When you mention this to people they act like you are talking about it happening next week. The issue is what happens over time as liberties are slowly and gradually reduced. Anyone who doesn't beleive this need only study history.

I think you missed my point that if some future administration has that intent, they can conjure up their own scheme to accomplish their goals. You may say that Bush made it easier, true, but it didn't take that much effort in the right climate to get this legislation through. That can happen at any time in history.

Sandy:
"The issue is what happens over time as liberties are slowly and gradually reduced. Anyone who doesn't beleive this need only study history."

That's a fair comment and one that, I think, any reasonable person would agree with.

And a fair argument can be made that some of the actions by the White House in dealing with terror run the risk of abuse (although there are a number of safeguards that critics seem to ignore). That's always the danger we run in giving more power to the government, whether in the name of national security or economic security or any other kind of security.

But Mr. Olbermann doesn't say that the Bush administration is playing loose with the Constitution. He claims, flat out that we liver under a "form of fascism" and that our liberties have been taken away.

That is over-the-top and reckless commentary, especially by someone who claims to be a "news anchor" giving news. If Mr. Olbermann wishes to post on the DailyKos or any other blog, that's fine. But he is selling himself as a objective news anchor of a news program that has no agenda or interest in which side "wins".

That's patently false.

Not to be too rude, but Mr. Olbermann's show is a fraud.

SMG

Boys and Girls...the election is tomorrow...let the people decide!

I personally believe the republicans will lose the house at 20-25 seats but hold on to the Senate by probably 2 seats. If this is the greatest A-HA! moment for those of you on the far left enjoy it, but ask yourselves what took so long...this is the least of what was supposed to happen (historically) back in 2002...then Bush was supposed to lose and and probably lose at least one part of congress in 2004...Personally, considering the coverage that the democrats have gotten compared to the republicans (and the "news" from Iraq that networks have generally given up on by the way...woo hoo! robo-reporting or one guy, but he's in Bagdad) I am surprised that the predictions of 2 months ago ar not coming true (Dems landsliding in both houses of congress).

If you do not understand what is going on in Iraq, and really how could we based on the fact that there is very little reporting of what happens there every day, please at least skim this article by Orson Scott Card (science and fantasy fiction novelist) who proclaims himself a democrat but backs Bush in the WOT/WII and he is far from alone...but the article he writes looks at many of the details of what is goingon in the middle east that many people tend to ignore or not hear at all thanks to our wonderful MSM.

Please at least check this out:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/the_only_issue_this_election_d.html

"Sorry, this is so asinine it's embarassing that this gentleman is on television pontificating on issues of national importance.
Silly. Posted by: Ohboy at November 6, 2006 11:31 PM"

Silly? You bet. Silly that you can't see your nose despite your face.

What does it say about a party who's constant mantra is "they have no plan" to be loosing to this so called party with no plan? It say that the Republicans are so fucking corrupt and sleazy that even the hillbilly evangelicals whose leader is a meth addict gay bashing homosexual won't vote for these Republicans who are losing in such numbers that tomorrow the dems will hold the house and have enough clout in the senate to flip the money changers tables and get this nation some much needed changes.

You seem to be unable to comprehend the most simple concepts spoon fed to you in simple terms. Perhaps this is why you come here looking to join a gang to feel empowered ganging up on one man, Keith Olbermann, who is just another talking head among many. But for the cowards of the world the idea of one man being singled out by a group is just to irresistible to avoid. You'd make a good Klansmen.

So here you are faking it and making a fool out of yourself.

Please pass the Foley, Delay, Haggard, and on and on. But Keith he is somehow a giant that deserves your oversight? I think not. It is all about you being a coward!

Welcome home

SteveMG, I don't get a chance to watch Olbermann probably as much as some of you here do, so I am not sure, but I haven't heard him go so much over the top. Tonight for example, he talked about Bush bringing the "roots of" I want to say totalitarianism but I can't remember what exact word he used. In any event, a statement like that is more suited to what I and codas wrote. If KO said that we are already living under facist rule, that of course would be over the top and I could concur with your claims.

To make a point about being imprisoned for viewpoints, Rick Santorum was asked by Imus as to how allowing gay marriage as a constitutional right can affect anyone else. His response was interesting. He stated that then if you condemn the practice of homosexuality in any manner, you could be imprisoned for hate speech. This has happened elsewhere in the world already. (priest imprisoned for stating the Catholic position on the practice of homosexuality). Somehow, I can't see those condemning Bush's legislation for whittling away rights supporting Santorum's position. It is true, though, Sandy and Codas, under your argument that many people could be in trouble someday. It is a valid point you make.

Sandy:
"In any event, a statement like that is more suited to what I and codas wrote. If KO said that we are already living under facist rule, that of course would be over the top and I could concur with your claims"

KO has indeed said that we live under a "form of fascism". If you check back and read his previous "Special Commentaries", you'll see his use of this specific phrase.

Remember: MSNBC and KO describes his show as a "new program". He says he's a "news anchor" with no partisan agenda or views.

I disagree.

As I said, there are real honest criticisms of the detention policies and the military commissions setup to deal with these combatants or detainees (or whatever).

But I think there's equal danger in allowing these alien combatants access to our civilian courts. Surely critics must see the extreme danger of allowing terrorists access to secret information. Surely critics can see the difficulty in having open trials where the accused gets to confront his accusers?

Or think about the logistical problems? Near the end of WWII, we had captured over 100,000 German prisoners. Some, of course, were just ordinary German given guns or picked up during our sweep through Europe.

Does anyone think we needed to give trials in civilian courts to all 100,000 detainees or prisoners? Impossible.

The policies we make TODAY will be policies that we must follow TOMORROW. God forbid we ever engage in a massive war. But if so, it would be disastrous for us to have to follow the rules advocated by the absolutist civil libertarians in such an engagement.

SMG

Define Fascism:
The name comes from the Latin fasces – a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, which was the symbol of authority in ancient Rome. The term was applied by Mussolini to his movement after his rise to power in 1922. The Fascists were viciously anti-Communist and anti- liberal and, once in power, relied on an authoritarian state apparatus. They also used emotive slogans and old prejudices (for example, against the Jews) to bolster the leader's strongman appeal. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.
www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Curriculum/Witness_And_Legacy_-_Teacher_R/Glossary__Teacher_Resource_Boo/glossary__teacher_resource_boo.html

This is the United States of America. We are a democracy. The closest we have come to facism may not be exactly like Mussolini's but with the nearly complete control of major media by large corporations this nation has never been closer than any other time. A free democracy requires a free press. This site is all about slamming one of the few voices of dissent left in major media. A truely anti American and anti democracy site!

Connor- you seem to forget about the impact 9/11 had on people's attitudes in 2002. The GOP enjoyed high approval ratings at the time and it was very tough for the Democrats to go on the offense. The GOP could point to 9/11 for economic issues and the Dems couldn't really go on the attack without looking like a bunch of insensitive jackasses. Gerrymandering also prevented some gains and Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie simply beat Terry McAullife in a number of different arenas, including GOTV. All the races were relatively close- 2004 was no 1984 in terms of the Presidency, but the Democrats just got beat.

You can say what you will about Dems though, but it took Repubs 40 years out in the desert before they returned to power. If the Dems can do it in 12 years, well that ain't so bad. My predictions? House goes to the Dems 16-21 seats maybe. But they will only net one or two Senate seats and that will be the big story the "liberal" media focuses on the next two years: Another failed election for the Democrats because they "only" gained the house and one or two Senate seats instead of six.

Rick Santorum was asked by Imus as to how allowing gay marriage as a constitutional right can affect anyone else. His response was interesting.
He stated that then if you condemn the practice of homosexuality in any manner, you could be imprisoned for hate speech. This has happened elsewhere in the world already.

Posted by: sharm at November 6, 2006 11:52 PM

Freedom of speech and freedom to express your point of view and religion is privalige that we should should never take advantage of. The temptation to shut the "other side" up is great for those with the power to do it. That goes both ways, right or left sided.

SMG wrote "KO has indeed said that we live under a "form of fascism". If you check back and read his previous "Special Commentaries", you'll see his use of this specific phrase. "

I'll have to take a look back. It would probably be best to see or hear that in context anyway, to see what this "form" is that he talks about and why.

In any event, I would certainly agree it is no more of a news program than any of the shows on Fox. True news is nearly impossible to find in one place today. I used to think CNN was objective but they seem to want to appease critics of an alleged "liberal bias" and I do beleive a lot of their coverage is slanted to the right. Not all of it- I am familiar with the Broken Government segment, but then that is slanted the other way most will say. The only real way to get news I believe is to rely on a number of different sources and investigate claims made for yourself to see if they are accurate.

In regards to courts, I am against any American citizen being detained without access to a lawyer or without a trial in a US court. I don't care so much what we do with enemy combatants, but what bothers me about this new policy is that it includes US citizens in the mix. I don't care if they say or allegedly do something anti-American- if they are American, they need to be tried in a regular court. If we start to say that different actions by citizens will result in a different method of the judicial system being applied to them, the can of worms that will open up is another aspect of totalitarianism which is that the government and the government alone gets to decide whether or not a citizen is subject to a regular court or an outside "tribunal" of some sort.

Does the new legislation refer to American citizens? I don't think it does but I will investigate. I thought that Arlen Specter's concern was the treatment of aliens, who are not citizens, and that the Supremes will have to take that up.

Sandy--
Please don't use the gerrymandering argument...the democrats do it when they are in control in their states and the republicans do it when they are in control...while it is an advantage, it has been overcome numerous times...

It is the great middle of America that chooses our leaders in the end...if one party can move them with their ideas they take control. The D's could have won some things in 2002 if they had any better ideas and could have sold them to the public. But as you said they just got beat. As far as the 40 years in the desert, the movement in 1994 was a tidal wave...will this be one tomorrow or simply an slight twitch. Also, those D's that do take the house, most are going on a moderate platform...will they live up to that or simply vote with the caucus...many R's voted with the caucus, but there have been a numberas well who stood out (to the consternation of many in their party) to stand up for their constituents beliefs..I only hop that D's will do the same

Sharm- from my understanding, it does not specifically exclude it, it is one of those "gray areas" which means the government can interpret it pretty much how they see fit.

kieth's eyebrow's look like two hitler moustaches.

Is that an everyday feature, or did he have special, for tonite?

Sandy -

as far as CNN leaning right?

Please check out Jack Cafferty (almost any day, but yesterday's) calling the VP a jerk

Miles Obrien ridiculing most R"s they have on

Lou Dobbs any night of the week

But Paula at least she leans to the conservative point of view, right

I pretty much think Wolf and Coop will rip on both sides, but they are exceptions to the general rule of thumb

Sandy (FYI)

Taken from a letter from Sen. Arlen Spector to constituent

... June 2006 Supreme Court decision Hamdan v. Rumsfeld , the Court held that military commissions used in prosecuting enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay must be authorized by Congress and must obey the legal obligations of the Geneva Conventions’ Common Article III and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The decision explicitly urged Congress to legislate a solution by properly establishing military commissions to try alien unlawful enemy combatants. >
Following the Hamdan decision, members of the Senate Armed Services Committee worked with President Bush to craft legislation to establish military tribunals. I generally supported the legislation dra fted by these Senators and the a dministration, however, I had serious reservations about a provision in the bill which eliminated detainees’ right to habeas corpus. Habeas corpus is the right of those in custody to challenge their detainment in court. As Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I held a hearing on September 25, 2006 to specifically address habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. During the Senate’s consideration of the legislation, I offered an amendment which would have guaranteed habeas corpus for detainees. Unfortunately, the amendment failed on a narrow 48-51 vote. >

Connor- The gerrymandering issue is perfectly valid. Prior to the GOP's actions, redistricting was generally only done in census years, unless you go quite aways back in history when our system was a lot more flawed. Republican and Democrat strategists alike agree that the redistricting efforts of the GOP will likely limit their total number of losses this year. Also, don't forget that some of what the GOP has done regarding that is in court, and Colorado even threw some of it out, and so did Texas although they threw out far less than what Democrats wanted.

In 2002, again you seem to forget about 9/11. I have a feeling had the Dems been in power, they would have held pretty well too. In fact, incumbent approval ratings were high across the board at that time, Republican and Democrat alike. People simply didn't want change at that time, they did not want new faces, they needed a constant and had no dissatisfactions that were strong enough to merit overthrowing the ruling party.

In 1994 people had become fed up with Democratic rule after 40 years. And the CFA was an extremely attractive campaign to swing voters, too bad they abandoned all of that. I don't think the tidal wave we saw in 1994 is here yet, though the generic congressional polls are the same or higher than they were in 1994 depending on the poll. But I do think that the Democrats being able to take back the House, if they can, proves not only that they can win, but that this country is not a sea of invincible red as the GOP likes to claim. It also gives them a good stepping stone toward further gain, depending on how they govern. I guess we'll see.

Sandy,

Sorry, that was an e-mail response by the Senator I found by googling- I assume it was a constituent

Codas,

I don't think those who oppose gay marriage try to shut the other side up by threats of imprisonment- I guess if we are ruled someday under sharia law (?- spelling) you just get publicly executed.

Sandy-
If you want to keep to that argument about gerrymandering, fine, but I still do not buy it...it has been done outside of census years numerous times

9/11 - I am NOT forgetting...if the D's had any better ideas then they could have put them forward...heck! I am still waiting to find out what their ideas are for THE ELECTION other than R's are bad we will be better

I have not hear the claim that the US is a sea of invincible red...population wise anyway...the big cities and heavily populated states tend to be blue..."fly over country" tends to be red..therefore the "sea of red in based on area not population...currently the country is pretty much split in half...

I also agree it depends on HOW THEY GOVERN as to whether anything goes further or if the pendulim swings back...I also think it depends on the candidates in 2008 as to whether things swing back or not...but unless something major happens, it will be years before any party is truly dominant in Congress...One of my government teachers once told me that people like their local guy to be democrat but their president to be republican and history (outside the aberation of wars) shows him o be right more than wrong

We'll have to pick this up another day, I watch TV news as well as read web sites. I recall hearing and reading several things in regards to the law leaving the issue of US citizens in a gray area, I am going to have to google that and look around to provide some sources. It is 1AM here so I'm done for the night.

oops, that's shows how late it is to me. I put Sharms name in the Name Box instead of the message box.

Post "Sharm at November 7, 2006 01:00 AM" was written by me, Sandy.

That 1:00 a.m. post was not by Sharm.

Codas,

I don't think those who oppose gay marriage try to shut the other side up by threats of imprisonment- I guess if we are ruled someday under sharia law (?- spelling) you just get publicly executed.

Posted by: sharm at November 7, 2006 12:50 AM

I think you should be allowed and free to express your opinions about gay marriage or anything you want to say, just as free as those who say they are for it. Religion and morality shouldn't be the law of the land. We aren't a theocracy but I believe there are people in this country that would support that. Seperation of church and state allows "those" people to believe what they want without the government walking in on their worship and taking them away. Why can't "they" be happy with that freedom? I would hate having the bible police looking over my shoulder. I would have been stoned to death long ago.

Connor- this idea that the Dems have no ideas this year simply isn't true. It is one that is being parroted around by the so-called liberal media, many of whom admitted to running stories against Clinton in the 1990's with an RNC fax as the lone source.

I agree that Democrats have not done as good a job promoting their agenda as Newt's boys did in 1994, but they have plenty of ideas and have tried hard to get them out there, but the media continues with this "no idea" talking point that comes from the right. If you want to get into a discussion in detail another day I am all for that. But to offer one, on Iraq, they are in favor on providing soldiers with the armor required and communicating with the Iraqi government to establish time tables for when the Iraqis can take over their security and troops can withdraw. No one is saying these time tables will be in stone, but as I have learned over the years in business, working toward a specific date is a lot more effective then having no set time and saying "well, we'll get it done when we get it done." If things don't go as planned, then you can change the time table. Republicans call this cutting and running. I call it common sense. That is one idea right there I think would be a lot more effective than GWB's statement that he's going to stick to his guns even if only Laura and his dog are the only people who will talk to him anymore (he actually said that though I don't have the specific wording so I didn't put it in quotes).

Sharm:

I don't feel like making a long post but I disagree: Bush WAS pretty much alone in taking this country to war! Sure, he was able to get a lot of others in power to go along, but this was largely because of the National mood after 911 that pretty much gave hime carte Blanche. Yes, he also had a few Neocons pushing him along, but most of them were unelected and he didn't have to let them have their way.

If your reference was to that Congrssional vote, ask yourself how many of those who voted "yea" knew that it mean't we were going to invade, come hell or high water. Many saw it as giving authorization ONLY as a last resort. Also, ask yourself how many of the ones who went along with him would have done the same thing themselves, had they been president? I think the answer is very few.

Sorry Sharm, this war IS on Bush!

sharm- I put your name in the Name Box by mistake instead of the message box. That 1:00AM post was addressed to you and I also issued a correction above.

This isn't the place for discussion of it but there is more to it than what you state. I can't resist making one comment: do you believe that marriage should be just between two people? (leaving aside the gay issue). Who says a man can't have more than one wife (and vice-versa?)

Mike,

Respectfully, there is just no excuse to vote for war without taking into account all consequences. This is the big leagues! (I actually supported Pat Buchanon but he dropped out. He did not support the war but rallied around the President as best as he could, given his distaste. I voted for Bush because there are no viable pro-life candidates.)

Codas,

Sorry, the 1:13 a.m. comment was to you.

Great Special Comment tonight!

Got me to thinking about an exit stategy that ought to satisfy the Bush regime. Being that it's offically all about oil now, just pull the troops back to the oilfields and hold'em. Ain't no oilfields in Baghdad, don't ya know?

Liberal extremist Olberrwoman's latest speak is filled with more hate than a Hitler goon gathering in 1939 Berlin. And with Republican election chances improving with the speed of Patton's 3rd Army driving over ice covered roads to relieve Bastogne in December of 1944, Keith is slipping into temper tantrum land. Is there a time out room his handlers can gently put Keith in to decompress? Or has Keith's Bush bashing, Oreilly hating mind developed the kind of mental disease that has him destined to end up being a long term guest at the nearest witless protection program, where he can live out his days holding pencils with erasers at both ends. And his nights clutching a urine soiled copy of Edward R's "See it Now" albumn while trying to rock himself to sleep?

This isn't the place for discussion of it but there is more to it than what you state. I can't resist making one comment: do you believe that marriage should be just between two people? (leaving aside the gay issue). Who says a man can't have more than one wife (and vice-versa?)

Posted by: sharm at November 7, 2006 01:13 AM

As far as I am concerned, yes two people make a marriage. Legally I think marriage is only a financial partnership. Lets face it, as far as the state goes that's all it is. Now as far as my church goes it is a sacrament. Man and a woman. If I am not mistaken, the bible never says you cant have more than one wife. I have more than enough of a problem with one wife. Two would kill me.

This site is run by a moron.

No Kevin, this site is ABOUT a moron. Big difference.

Codas,

Just to let you know, I believe marriage is between one man and one woman. I was just making the point that there is not always a separation of church and state. There is really no secular reason why only two people can get married. Can't more than two people enter into a contract legally? I am not promoting that, just making a point. Sacramentally, marriage is between one man and one woman. That is pretty well supported by the Bible.

Kurt,

Everyone was appalled at what happened in the Katrina disaster. Olbermann was not the only one asking hard questions. I am not a huge fan of O'Reilly's but he does present other viewpoints. It is more his personality that people find abrasive. Olbermann almost never presents other view points. The only time I ever saw him do so was when John Ashcroft was a guest and Olbermann appeared shell shocked. (I heard about the time when he had Michelle Malkin on and just cut off her mike- I think she received abusive e-mails from him afterwards for which he was admonished). Hannity has a sidekick to present the other view. Radio has its share of viewpoints.

Kurt, you are delusional to think Olbermann is refreshing. His wacky bias is only beloved by the delusional. He will be unemployed soon, and you will have to read his blog for your daily puff up your skirt. Read more diverse stuff. It seems you want to hear what you believe, not the truth.

Really, now. Watch his ratings sore. People, more and more, are listening to Olbermann. He will be the voice of the people. None of your arguments make sense. Word, Keith. Word.

Well I just voted...went up to the armed guards at the door, showed my Karl Rove all access card, fingerprinted, retinal scan, blood test....once confirmed I was republican, I was allowed to pass and filled out my optic scan voting card and turned it in...as I was leaving I saw some democrats trying to get into the place to vote, but thankfully the armed guards shot them and rolled their bodies into the ditch...

Now here is the question for you boys and girls:
Was this what actually occurred or simply how Keith Olbermann thinks it would have gone based on his "reporting" of the president and his administration and their policies in this "facist" "dictatorship" where all of our rights have been suspended?

Doesn't the fact that an election is occurring and (more than likely) the D's winning the House kind of fly in the face of what he perceives this administration of doing? Heck, doesn't his "reporting" every night fly in the face of what he perceives this administration of doing?

PS: proof KO is non-partisan...he ended his rant with "vote" not "vote democrat"

Sandy-
those democrats that are up for state offices here spelled out about the same amount of plans as the local republicans

those democrats up for congress here never articuled anything specific that they would do different...unless you want to count better schools and more jobs, but that's the biggest cop out there is...everyone wants those things, its not like the R's are against jobs and children...both sides want the same general things...both sides need to articulate how they plan to get there

Connor, Remember just last week how all the loons said the Dems would take the senate too. Isn't that interesting how the boasting has been scaled back. We're number 2! We're number 2! We're number 2! We have the Prez. We have the Seante. We have the Courts! Take the house... Pelosi will show your true colors, and you'll lose that again in '08. Vote Republican across the line!

its not like the R's are against jobs and children...both sides want the same general things...both sides need to articulate how they plan to get there

Posted by: Connor at November 7, 2006 09:17 AM

Not true. When you place your emphasis on tax cuts and military ventures you are not putting jobs and childrens education or heath care as a priority.

Not true. When you place your emphasis on tax cuts and military ventures you are not putting jobs and childrens education or heath care as a priority.

Posted by: codas at November 7, 2006 09:38 AM

Reminds me of JFK.

Reminds me of JFK.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 7, 2006 09:45 AM

Only Bush has given tax cuts in a time of war. JFK would have the good sense to ask the country to financialy share the burden of a war he thought need to be waged. Bush has robbed future generations of tax cuts because someday the bill will come in. Long after he has gone of course.

that's right codas...the republican platform:
vote for us we will NOT educate your children
we want higher unemployment
we want to poison the air and the water...

Do you SERIOUSLY think this? I thought you were the rational D here?

that's right codas...the republican platform:
vote for us we will NOT educate your children
we want higher unemployment
we want to poison the air and the water...

Posted by: Connor at November 7, 2006 10:51 AM

Do you SERIOUSLY think we this? I thought you were the rational R here?

I know it's tempting to exagirate. I said republicans don't make education, jobs, or heath care a priority. It's true. A rational and wise man would have told the country that unless we want to sacrifice these things we will need to support this war with our tax dollars, not bumper stickers.

Codas-
Thanks to the recession W was handed & the 9/11 attacks as a blow to the economy as well, he had to stimulate the economy and create jobs (unemployment is currently near economic full employment levels, priority enough for you). This has been done. Yes the deficit increased (the program had to work thru the economic system), but it is also coming back down at a record rate thanks to the record tax revenues that have been rolling in. A tax hike would have hurt the economy even more...less jobs, less spending, less taxes collected, raise taxes more, even less jobs, even less spending, even less taxes collected...and with the military venture (I suggest you read the Orson Scott Card article I posted yesterday, see 1147pm)...the deficit would increase even faster as the economy slowed down to a possible depression...and the government did not sell bumper stickers.

BTW...one of the first things W tried to do was help education...tried to implement his no child left behind campaign promise ...problem is he buddied up with Teddy in a show of uniting and compromised the program (that plus most schools are a state thing so its hard to do things on a national level)...at least he tried something, the prior solution was throw more and more money at it and hopefully it'll go away..the amount of waste and out and out disappeance of education funds was beyond criminal

Who's Watching the Cowards masterbates.

Who's Watching the Cowards picks their nose.

Who's Watching the Cowards farts silently in crowds.

Who's Watching the Cowards smells his fingers after he wipes but doesn't wash his hands thoroughly enough to avoid spreading germs.

Who's Watching the Cowards surfs the internet for porn.

Who's Watching the Cowards watches too much tv.

How do I know? I do it too. Except I don't wash at all and like to drop the tongs for the lettuce so the handles touch the salad at the salad bar.

Who's Watching the Cowards thinks I am old enough to vote - sorry, we all aren't 50 year old white guys stroking themselves to politicians.

Who's Watching the Cowards argues politics on the internet and is so passionate about their beliefs and being right that he won't use the name his parents gave him at birth. If he wins does he get a Special Olympics medal?

I love myself, now I will go sniff glue and pass out.

Old people have no idea what the internet is for.

CNN International is in some prestigious company now:

A government leader in Iraq's Kurdistan region has told Gold Star Families visiting U.S. troops in the Mideast that the news media's coverage of the situation in Iraq is terribly biased.

"CNN International and Al Jazeera are equally bad in their coverage of the situation in Iraq," said Nerchivan Barzani, the prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan.

"When I was in the United States recently and read the negative news in the Washington Post, New York Times and in the network TV broadcasts, I even wondered if things had gotten so bad since I had left that I shouldn't return," he said.

Barzani's comments came during meetings with the delegation of Gold Star Families on a historic trip to Iraq. These families each lost a child in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and they now are traveling in Iraq to see the land and people for whom their loved ones gave their lives.

Lest We Forget....Our Pal Dan Rather from 2004.
I for one, will miss Dano.......

*****************************************

Do you hear that knocking...President Bush's re-election is at the door."

"This race is hotter than a Times Square Rolex."

"His lead is as thin as turnip soup."

"This race is humming along like Ray Charles."

"The presidential race is swinging like Count Basie."

"This race is hotter than the Devil's anvil."

"Ohio becomes like a sauna for the two candidates. All they can do is wait and sweat."

"One's reminded of that old saying, 'Don't taunt the alligator until after you've crossed the creek.'"

"This situation in Ohio would give an aspirin a headache.''

"Bush is sweeping through the South like a big wheel through a cotton field."

"What Kerry needs at this point is the equivalent of Tom Brady coming off the bench to rescue him. But it's still too close to call."

"No question now that Kerry's rapidly reaching the point where he's got his back to the wall, his shirttails on fire and the bill collector's at the door."

"John Kerry needs something on the order of a 55 or 60-yard field goal to win this."

(To Joe Lockhart) "I know that you'd rather walk through a furnace in a gasoline suit than consider the possibility that John Kerry would lose Ohio."

(To Joe Lockhart) "What about Michigan? It's been out there for a long time. Is that making your fingernails sweat?"

"This presidential race has been crackling like a hickory fire for at least the last hour and a half."

"Let's see where it goes from here. Round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows."

"We keep talking about Ohio if you've been tuning in and out or you put the baby to bed or you went to pop the cap on an adult, or otherwise, beverage..."

"We used to say if a frog had side pockets, he'd carry a handgun."

"No one is saying that George Bush is not going to win the election, and if you had to bet the double-wide, you'd have to bet that he'd win."

"In southern states they beat him like a rented mule."

"If you try to read the tea leaves before the cup is done you can get yourself burned."

"We need Billy Crystal to Analyze This"

"You know that old song, 'it's delightful, it's delicious, it's de-lovely' for President Bush in most areas of the country."

"We had a slight hitch in our giddy up, but we corrected that."

"In some ways, George Bush's lead is as thin as November ice."

"Put on a cup of coffee, this race isn't going to be over for a while."

"You look at the map and say it's all a big Bush victory. But this is one time when your Mother is right, looks can be deceiving."

"John Kerry's moon has just moved behind a cloud, as far as Florida is concerned."

On Kerry's chances: "To use a metaphor, he's gotta draw to an inside straight. But hey, sometimes you get lucky and hit that straight."

"Is it like a swan, with every feather above the water settled, but under the water paddling like crazy?"

"What you have here is the football equivalent of a fourth quarter rally by Kerry."

The election is "closer than Lassie and Timmy"

"Keep in mind they are teetotally meetmortally convinced they have Ohio won."

"Vice President Dick Cheney would not have flown all the way out there (Hawaii) overnight and put that lei around his neck and sort of hula-danced, if you will, unless he thought there was a chance of carrying that out there."

"President Bush smiling there with his family. He's laid down aces so far."

"You can almost hear the GOP (deep breathing sound). We're getting within maybe smelling distance."

"We don't know what to do. We don't know whether to wind a watch or bark at the moon."

On how the results are affecting strategists: "It's one reason so many of them drink a lot."

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), on being congratulated on victory by Rather: "Thanks Dan, I always believe you." Rather: "Now, ladies and gentleman, if you believe that, you'll believe rocks can grow."

Quotes from Dan Rather on Election Night 2002

"Could be game set and match Republicans."
"They're about first and goal from 4 yards out."

"Tight as the pages in a book."

"President Bush is hoping to ace his first midterm."

"Crackling like a hickory fire."

"Two hands worth of white knuckle still hanging ten."

"Reminds you of that old Will Rogers line, it takes a lot of money just to get beaten."

"It's beginning to get exciting as the Democrats' fingernails are starting to sweat"

Quotes from Dan Rather on Election Night 2000

"This race is shakier than cafeteria Jell-O."

"Turn the lights down, the party just got wilder."

"It's cardiac-arrest time in this presidential campaign."

"He swept through the South like a tornado through a trailer park."

"Don't bet the trailer money yet."

"It's too early to say he has the whip hand."

"Now Florida, that race, the heat from it is hot enough to peel house paint."

"It's a ding dong battle back and forth."

"If he doesn't carry Florida Slim will have left town."

"If a frog had side pockets, he'd carry a hand gun."

"They both have champagne on ice, but after the night is over, they might need a pick axe to open them."

"This race is tight like a too-small bathing suit on a too-long ride home from the beach."

"It's about as complicated as a wiring diagram to some dynamo."

"Only votes talk — everything else walks."

"This will show you how tight it is — it's spandex tight."

"We're going to go to some of those longnecks from a long time ago."

"He's going to find that people will hang on him like a coat rack."

"This election swings like one of those pendulum things."

"This race is as tight as the rusted lug nuts on a '55 Ford."

"What we know is that there will be no decision until some of those races are decided."

"Al Gore has his back to the wall, shirt tails on fire with this race in Florida."

"You talk about a ding-dong, knock-down, get-up race."

"When it comes to a race like this, I'm a long distance runner and an all-day hunter."

"It's the American way: if you don't vote, you don't get to whine."

"Smelling salts for all Democrats please."

"Maybe you can bring some perspective on this, we're plum out."

"When the going gets weird, anchor men punt."

"Tipper is probably telling her husband to hook a U, go back to the house to get a recount."

"It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, Republican or a mug wamp, elected officials play it straight."

"Florida is the whole deal, the real deal, a big deal."

"The presidential race still hotter than a Laredo parking lot."

"These returns are running like a squirrel in a cage."

"It was as hot and squalid as a New York elevator in August."

"Bush has run through Dixie like a big wheel through a cotton field."

"This will have the people in Austin standing up like they got stuck with hat pins."

"...in Austin, between the 10 gallon hats and the Willie Nelson head bands."

"The big burrito out there in California"

"They'll be doing back flips in Nashville."

"It would be Shakespearean for Al Gore to lose because of his home state."

"I think you would likelier see a hippopotamus run through this room than see George Bush appoint Ralph Nader to the Cabinet."

"None of this television mumbo jumbo, let's get in there and count the votes."

"Frankly we don't know whether to wind the watch or to bark at the moon."

"We've lived by the crystal ball, we're eating so much broken glass. We're in critical condition."

Posted by Mike:

"Most believe that the Iraq war was wrong.

Most believe that the administration misled us about the war.

Most believe the Iraq war has not made us safer.

Most people do not like Rumsfeld.

Most people disapprove of the job Bush is doing."

And that my friend is what separates leaders from mice like liberals, Sir Lyin His Ass Off, Blind(from whacking) Rat, codass, and Bill Liar to name a few.

Only a few men can lead a nation or men into war. They are not made, they are born. willie would never be a great war time leader because he has his finger in the air, he's more worried about what people would think. I like your liberal use of the word "most". Not where I live and is damned sure far from most. I just got back from a business trip to Ohio and I couldn't believe how conservative the people I did business were. But, then again, educated people that have made their way in the world seem to be that way. Oh, by the way, every dumb friggin liberal in both houses saw the same intelligence GW saw and most voted for the war. Give it a break and grow up. It's for damned sure George Bush has to fight terrorism on both fronts. I liberals acted like they do in a business like I work for they would be fired the first day. They are not team players and while they are showing their partisan asses they are prolonging the war, showing a divide in our country and giving aide, hope, strength and resolve to terrorists.

Codas-
Thanks to the recession W was handed & the 9/11 attacks as a blow to the economy as well, he had to stimulate the economy and create jobs (unemployment is currently near economic full employment levels, priority enough for you). This has been done

Posted by: Connor at November 7, 2006 11:16 AM

I don't know if you noticed, but a lot of the employment now days are second and third jobs that people have to have to make ends meet. They don't pay nothing and they have no benefits. I don't think there are any good excuses for not asking the country to support the wars with more than a ribbon or a bumper sticker. Was W worried about the economy or his republican base with those tax cuts after he went to war? He will be gone in two yeas and the debt and the wars will need cleaning up by a real adult. Nice plan. Break the bank then when a democrat who knows how to balance a budget ask for money to get us in the black you'll say, see, they always raise your taxes. W has run the country with winning elections for republicans as his goal, not the well being of the economy, education, heathcare, terrorist or anything else. I am sure you disagree. It is the truth.

And that my friend is what separates leaders from mice like liberals, Sir Lyin His Ass Off, Blind(from whacking) Rat, codass, and Bill Liar to name a few.

Only a few men can lead a nation or men into war. They are not made, they are born. willie would never be a great war time leader because he has his finger in the air, he's more worried about what people would think.
Posted by: Brick at November 7, 2006 12:46 PM

It must be tough trying to look for reasons to justify Bush's decisions. If you think Bush went to war with the idea that over half the country would end up against it you are decieved. It backfired on him and he can't ever admit he was wrong. He never fired anyone for their miscalculations. His greatest atribute to people like you is that he is hard headed. That might make a strong leader to you. He is incompetant to others. History will not show him as a great warrior god that you think he is.

It also is very telling that so many of you have to start your response to someones post with an insult by making up stupid schoolyard names about them. And you think you are saying something intelligent?

codas-

by golly your right...every freakin single new job created was at chick-fil-a...they're everywhere...17 members of my own family work there...some of them have one location as their main job, a second location as their second job, and a third location as their third job

Now your saying an R is NOT worried about the economy...I thought that is what all R's worried about...have to have a decent economy to get rich and get that tax cut that only goes to people making 1,000,000,000 or more a year

codas...what you posted was your truth, not THE truth...

did you check out the orson scott card article...interested in your response

I have to go to work now at one of the great jobs that W brought to our economy. I didn't read article but I will when I get time. You really don't need to take things all out of proportion to make your point you know. Maybe you don't have family members working for min. wage. I do. Maybe you have a masters degree. I don't. The real philosophy behind compasionate conservatism is the law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. I got mine, if you don't got yours it's because your a no good lazy dope head. Then of course we will praise the lord for our dinner. After we mock his every command.

Codas...

Man, you are usually a bit more rational than this.

You say I blow things out of proportion (yes, my exagerration was due to frustration that you actually believe R's want things to be incredibly bad economically, socially,etc.) but your post "The real philosophy behind compasionate conservatism is the law of the jungle. Survival of the fittest. I got mine, if you don't got yours it's because your a no good lazy dope head. Then of course we will praise the lord for our dinner. After we mock his every command." is valid?

Just because we disagree politaclly does not mean we do not want the same things generally speaking! How can you refute that? We just want to go about it in vastly different ways (apparently)

Well, Sandy, while you are checking back, take a look at KO's 'spesul commint' re President Bush using the phrase "It is unacceptable to think". President Bush was responding to a question that implied that there IS a moral equilavency beteen the U.S. and the terrorists tactics and policies.

I think he may have accused the president of shredding the constitution and I am sure he went so far as to state that the president was trying to subvert the first amendment. It is a breathtaking example of paranoia.

EVILLY AND STUPIDLY YOURS,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.

That why I post such driveling, hate filled, stupid nonsense.

Over the top is inadequate to descibe him that night.

You guys who hate Olbermann should watch news outside of Faux - you should also see what people outside your country think about you and your government. You are so blinkered, so ridiculous, so overweight and bloated.

Long live Olbermann, one of the very few who tell it like it is.

You guys who hate Olbermann should watch news outside of Faux - you should also see what people outside your country think about you and your government. You are so blinkered, so ridiculous, so overweight and bloated.

Long live Olbermann, one of the very few who tell it like it is.

You guys who hate Olbermann should watch news outside of Faux - you should also see what people outside your country think about you and your government. You are so blinkered, so ridiculous, so overweight and bloated.

Long live Olbermann, one of the very few who tell it like it is.

You guys who hate Olbermann should watch news outside of Faux - you should also see what people outside your country think about you and your government. You are so blinkered, so ridiculous, so overweight and bloated.

Long live Olbermann, one of the very few who tell it like it is.

"Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T. Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie"

Well said and your politics reflect the same.

Long live our democracy. And to the traitors who would strangle the last vestiges of a free press that all true democracies must have, get to a doctor and have that rectal cranial inversion addressed. You are an embarrassment to our nation.

The despicable and callous nature of you and your's support leadership that fails our troops by sending them into battle with substandard equipment while shifting funds to the richest of the rich, is only out down by your despicable exploitation of those same troops by claiming that you support them. You do not. What you support is nothing more than a personal desire to align yourself with those who hold themselves up as hawks so your cowardice can be comforted.

Starting tomorrow the troops will begin to have real support in services to their families in many ways but beginning with shifting the tax burden from the middle class to the filthy rich who bought and paid for the Republican pimps and whores just booted out of congress by the American people for the Republicans selling our democracy off to the highest bidder.

Long live democracy. No free press no democracy.

Keith Olbermann is a champion of a free press.

Thank You Keith and a special thanks the folks that bring us this site, they have done Keith a good service with their junior high school commentaries and by attracting such great representatives of the ignorant on the Republican side!