James Moore just stated that Karl Rove was too busy being a nerd "while the rest of us were wearing tie-die t-shirts and wearing our hair down to our waist." Really James? I don't remember carrying myself that way. I guess this just proves what kind of hippies are writing these kinds of anti-establishment books now...

I think it's a fitting metaphor for our times that when blindrat got hijack today he pleaded to Robert to change the rules to protect him.

Let's see. Blindrat runs off on assorted rants in blantant disregard for the various rules of logical he supposedly holds so dear even going so far as to employ the childish dismissive route of calling his opponent the degrading "son" but yet when the table gets turned he begs for a universal protective body which he has repeatedly insulted to guard him.

Oh how we cry for our mothers when we realize the world is a very ugly place.

Robert - change nothing. You are an educator in the finest tradition

Hey, RedState:

My parents wouldn't let any of us wear tie-dye. And we weren't allowed to have hair longer than 3 inches.

"Hippies" is right. And sadly, they now control Congress.....

Mr Rob Cox,

Has the FBI contacted you yet? I'm looking through the archives of the posts around the time the UnaFreeper Chad Castagana sent KO the threat with fake anthrax and there are a lot of suspicious posts where the poster discounted the act of terrorism, or even claimed that KO sent the letter to himself.

I wouldn't be suprised if Chad Costagana posted here. He REALLY hates KO.

I would advise that you cooperate with the FBI on this Mr. Cox

Wes Clark 08!

Who is Olby to talk about biases in the news? He resembles that comment.

Clark08, we're waiting for one of Olby's crackpot fans to go off the reservation. It's just a matter of time.

So is Cox personally responsible for the behavior of those who post on his website? Wonder if the person who terrorized a right-wing commentator for Rush Limbaugh's show is a poster at DU? Take your nonsense back to DU where it belongs sister.

I don't think Cox is personally responsible for the behaviors of the posters here. And if that WERE true (which it's not of course), then do we know if the nutcase who sent threats to a right-wing commentator recently was a regular poster at DU like YOU are?

Oh God. I am sick of Olby making himself the subject of stories. Mr. Boomerang, as Dan Patrick calls him.

Hmmm....Fox News is biased. Personally, I didn't find that memo all that incriminating. What I do find incriminating, however, is the fact that Olbermann has Democratic operatives/politicians on at a 20:1 clip. How is that NOT biased?

Olby used to work at FOX. I'm shocked that he would treat his former employers this way. Oh, right...he's already trashed every person and organization he's worked for, and in Rita "Dumber than rocks" Cosby's case, present co-workers as well!

What are the chances that someone with ties to the DUmmies would know anything about DoS attacks?

Yeah, who will be responsible for that I wonder? Or will they try to claim it was justified? You'd think for a "free speech" group they'd be more tolerate. They're bigger losers than the idiot they worship.

"They're bigger losers than the idiot they worship."

They're even worse winners.

And "free speech" to a liberal means "free to express whatever position you want, as long as I agree with it."

Just wait, the "fairness" doctrine is on its way.

Kettle....pot. Pot.....kettle.
FOX right wing...duh.
Most other MSM left....duhhhhhh.
Beck is a hell of a lot more level headed than Olby. I actually saw that interview. it was better than any thing KO has done.

Hey, RedState:

My parents wouldn't let any of us wear tie-dye. And we weren't allowed to have hair longer than 3 inches.

"Hippies" is right. And sadly, they now control Congress.....

Posted by: jdawg at November 15, 2006 08:28 PM

I'm not suprised. You seem to be a little repressed and it comes out in angry ways usually. The idea that hippies control congress is lame.

lame?

Nancy Pelosi. From San fransisco.

Case closed.

lame?

Nancy Pelosi. From San fransisco.

Case closed.
Posted by: jdawg at November 15, 2006 09:15 PM

She is from Baltimore Md. and has five children and five grandchildren. No hippie. Case closed.

Another stupid lib.

jeez.

Pelosi is the congresswoman from San Fransisco, you idiot.

Case. Closed.

I have better things to do than try to educate the uneducable, and will not waste any more of my time on you.

Strom Thurmond was a great American...Besides, the DEMS are the ones the re-elected a former KKK member. Good luck Trent!

Another stupid lib.

jeez.

Pelosi is the congresswoman from San Fransisco, you idiot.

Case. Closed.

I have better things to do than try to educate the uneducable, and will not waste any more of my time on you.

Posted by: jdawg at November 15, 2006 09:24 PM

IDIOT SHE IS FROM BALTIMORE. I am aware she is a congresswomen from san fran. SHEEEEZ.

a memorable hour of spin. great recap

johnny Dollar.

a memorable hour of spin. great recap

johnny Dollar.

Thanks Keith for another great show. Keep up the good work.

Yes Keith--great show! Just keep on ignoring the Murtha scandal. Keep ignoring any and every thing that would possibly put a Dem in a negative light. Ever. Talk about an impartial and fair journalist-NOT. A joke? Now you're talking.

What a surprise...tonight's worst person in the world is Glen Beck. Beck is smart, funny, original, informed, definitely biased and he is the first to admit it. This makes for interesting viewing and his ratings are slowly headed upward. It then follows, of course, that he must be the WPITW. I gave up watching Countdown a few months ago but happened to catch tonight's WPITW segment. I can see that not much has changed. And yes, there has been another "Olbergasm" as he once again worked himself into the Cornell University story.

Beck is a thickheaded republican hack. Enjoy him if you need to. He thinks he is funny. He is a dunce.

Citizen Keith longs to be relevent...hence the Cornell reference. Yes, Olby went to Cornell and rubbed elbows...

And what was Mr. Truth, Honor, and Integrity doing while still on-air tonight? Why bidding on Ebay. DURING the damn show. When will Dan Abrams pull Olby's internet access?

No way. LOL! He's a modern-day Murrow for certain. Because Murrow shopped during his newscasts. It's a fact - in Olbyworld.

Or got a blow job underneath his desk like a certain ex-President we all know, you know, Olby's best friend.

I'm more inclined to believe he was on eBay, Brandon, LOL.

I watched most of the show and I still can't see why in the world some people have such a problem with it. Watch Glenn Beck or something. Keith is just fine with me.

Nothin to say tonight from the Olbyhaters? Why?

Nothin to say tonight from the Olbyhaters? Why?

I would never miss Krazy Keith. He is the funniest thing on TV, acting as if he is personally staving off the onslaught of the stormtroopers of the evil Bush empire.

When he looks into that camera, gathers his gravitas, and says something like "Mr. Bush, have you no shame?" it gets me laughing hysterically. Krazy Keith has brought new meaning to the word "unhinged".

I like that weird little guy from the Village Voice, that Musto character. Is he human? When I see those tiny little shoulders underneath his head I wonder about that. He's like a Mr. Potato Head or something. His comic relief from Krazy Keith's comic relief is kind of like the cream in the coffee.

KO is a loose marble on a warped floor...

As a "woman of a certain age", here's what I know for sure: Keith Olbermann is tall, fashionable, masterful in voice and body language, wealthy, and drop-dead gorgeous. I first heard of him when "People" magazine placed him at the top, handily beating too-pretty Anderson Cooper on their Most Beautiful list (Newsman category). I purr at his screen visage every night, and my husband reaps the rewards. Oh...you say Keith does politics, too?

obscene thought..giving your hubby a hummer while Krazy Keith Bloviates...

Tina,

You are too kinky for me. I don't even want to go there. I think "women of a certain age" should not discuss such things in public.

Tina,

You are getting way too kinky for me. Please, don't even go there. As a "woman of a certain age" perhaps it would be more appropriate for you to be discreet about such things.

Think of the children.

Krazy Keith has brought new meaning to the word "unhinged".
Posted by: Rico at November 15, 2006 10:17 PM

Unhinged? You sound so shrill. It must be hard being so out of the mainstream. Part of the loony wing of the politucal world. If you weren't so unhinged maybe your party could get someone to vote for them.

This was the news that came out last week after the Democrats' victory....

Al Qaeda-in-Iraq’s leader, Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, had this to say, "The victory day has come faster than we expected."

He continued with his thoughts about the meaning of Democrat’s in power, "Here is the Islamic nation in Iraq victorious against the tyrant. The enemy is incapable of fighting on and has no choice but to run away." Adding, "The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel.” Concluding, "So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections."

FOX News was correct is pursuing this story.. BECAUSE IT''S A LEGITIMATE STORY, that the mainstream media mostly ignored. The entire Islamic jihad movement IS celebrating the Dems victory, because they know it could mean we retreat in the War on Terror. And if we retreat, we lose.

FOX News was correct is pursuing this story.. BECAUSE IT''S A LEGITIMATE STORY, that the mainstream media mostly ignored. The entire Islamic jihad movement IS celebrating the Dems victory, because they know it could mean we retreat in the War on Terror. And if we retreat, we lose.

Posted by: bigred at November 15, 2006 10:45 PM

You justify propoganda because you agree with it. It is a slap in the face to a democracy. Sounds like bagdahd bob would have no problem being a fox host.

Pointing out that Keith is unhinged is not shrill. I am just stating my observation of him.

The next congress will have a pencil thin Democratic majority. I am no more mainstream than you were last election.

This was the news that came out last week after the Democrats' victory....

Al Qaeda-in-Iraq’s leader, Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, had this to say, "The victory day has come faster than we expected."

He continued with his thoughts about the meaning of Democrat’s in power, "Here is the Islamic nation in Iraq victorious against the tyrant. The enemy is incapable of fighting on and has no choice but to run away." Adding, "The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel.” Concluding, "So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections."

FOX News was correct is pursuing this story.. BECAUSE IT''S A LEGITIMATE STORY, that the mainstream media mostly ignored. The entire Islamic jihad movement IS celebrating the Dems victory, because they know it could mean we retreat in the War on Terror. And if we retreat, we lose.

How is it propaganda? The Iran, al Qaeda, Hezbollah all celebrated the Dems winning. Those are the facts. Look them up, lemming.

The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel.” Concluding, "So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections."
Posted by: bigred at November 15, 2006 10:50 PM

So if the "terrorists" say something you agree with you let them be a spokesperson for your politics. Nice. You are using American killers to justify your hatred of your fellow Americans. Nice. Yeah. And the liberals hate America first. Right.

Codas,

Why do you have the word "terrorists" in quotes?

And they are the spokepersons for your politics, not ours.

Where did I say anything about hatred of fellow Americans? I hate the people who want to blow us up, codas.

I am pointing out the facts. The Islamo-fascists are thrilled the Dems won. Thrilled.

Once again, a liberal can't argue the facts in a legitimate debate. I don't hate you for that. I pity you and what might happen to the country I love.

Codas,

Why do you have the word "terrorists" in quotes?

And they are the spokepersons for your politics, not ours.

Posted by: Rico at November 15, 2006 10:58 PM

Who was using there words? Why do you pay attention to what they say only when you think you can make a political point with it? Do you think they give a shit who are congressman are? If anything, they love the division. Why play into their hands. They must be listening to our politics. Why do you not send them the message of unity. I consider AlQeada terrorist. I am not sure what to call an Iraqi citizen.

I am pointing out the facts. The Islamo-fascists are thrilled the Dems won. Thrilled.

Posted by: bigred at November 15, 2006 10:59 PM

Anyone with a brain is thrilled bigred. Just because they are also doesn't mean I aint happy about it. I am Delighted!

Given the two choices of who the terrorists would vote for, the answer is quite obvious...let's be clear.

Codas,

You have to clean our your crack pipe more regularly.

The reason the Islamics celebrating was brought up was because KO tried to slam FOX for keeping an eye out to see if they would celebrate. Sure enough, they did. Olbermoron tries to say this shows FOX bias. No, it shows they're paying attention.

How delighted are you going to be when the Dems force us to pull out of Iraq, it becomes a full- fledged terrorist state that is more dangerous than Afghanistan was pre 9/11, the Jihadists become more emboldened than ever, and try to take over other countries... say, Britain? Is that what you want?

Codas,

You want a message of unity? Me too. The question is what exactly we are united about.

I am united with all infidels who want victory over Islamic terrorists. Can I sign you up for same?

How delighted are you going to be when the Dems force us to pull out of Iraq, it becomes a full- fledged terrorist state that is more dangerous than Afghanistan was pre 9/11, the Jihadists become more emboldened than ever, and try to take over other countries... say, Britain? Is that what you want?

Posted by: bigred at November 15, 2006 11:17 PM

You just made a strong case for why we should have gone in their in the first place. Some people understood it was a bad idea. To blame those people seems a little unjust. How about taking some of the blame yourself before you start passing it on to people who thought Afgahnistan wasn't done.

should have SHOULD have been shouldn't have in last post.

As soon as anyone in the Bush administration is correct about ANYTHING with this war I will pay him some attention.. He has not made a correct decision yet.

Wrong!

Bush made the correct decision to fight in Mohammad's back yard. That is preferrable to here in our back yard.

Five years ago most Americans were thinking that a lot of skyscrapers would have come crashing to the ground by now. Five years ago most Americans were thinking that perhaps millions of us would have been blown to smithereens by now. None of that has come to pass. It's better to screw up in Iraq than to fight a beautiful battle on US soil.

FOX being biased isn't news. The only people who still think FOX is an actual news organisation are too far gone to be convinced anyway.

"How delighted are you going to be when the Dems force us to pull out of Iraq, it becomes a full- fledged terrorist state that is more dangerous than Afghanistan was pre 9/11, the Jihadists become more emboldened than ever, and try to take over other countries... say, Britain? Is that what you want?"

Posted by: bigred at November 15, 2006 11:17 PM

A. Blindly accusing fellow citizens of treason does not advance debate. Kill the rhetoric.

B. Iraq is already more dangerous to us than it was pre 9/11, regardless of what the Dems or Bush do next.

C. The Al-Qaeda insurgents are not likely to take control of anything. Iraq is a tribal state, and I doubt the Sunni and Shia clans of Iraq have any more intrest in joining with outside interlopers from the Arab world than they do in working with us.

D. The Jihadists have spent decades trying to take over countries in their own backyards and failing. Egypt was rife with islamic extremism for years, and all the violence there did was turn the people against the loony bastards. The same has happened in several other countries. Then (a few of them) realized killing their own people might be a stupid idea, and thats why they started coming after us. We make a conveinient symbolic target to rally the cause against, and then we played right into their hands. Note that I said "a few" because most extremist groups are still more concerned will overthrowing their own governments then bringing death to America. That would come later, if we keep doing their job for them.

And would we please let the "They'll follow us home!" line retire gracefully? Unless someone can explain the logic behind this idiotic thesis clearly, and defend it properly, you should stop asserting it.

Ok, anonymous.

A. Who did I accuse of treason? No one.

B. Iraq is dangerous as hell. The problem is, what do we do now? The Dems answer is leave. To the insurgents, terrorists, & entire jihad movement, they will claim that as a victory. And it will embolden them to kill more innocent people.

C. Al Qaeda itself might not control the country, but they're not the only Islamic fascists that want to spread their radical ideology. Iran openly talks about wiping Israel off the map. They back the Shias, Hezbollah, Syria with funding, weapons and political support. They will grow stronger is we just up & leave Iraq.

D. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the Jihadists are now in charge in Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine. There are large movements in Egypt, Jordan, and most of Europe.

I guess to you, the thought of them attacking us here is unthinkable. It was to me too... before 9/11. You liberals conveniently forget that date.

As for FOX, of course some of their shows slant to the right. There's no question about it. Hannity, Gibson, Cavuto, and to a degree, O'Reilly mainly offer conservative points of view. Hume is conservative, but he is fair and balanced when he's delivering the news. When he's a member of the panel, he offers a conservative opinion.

Their NEWS shows, like Shepard Smith's are balanced. The difference with FOX is, they're the ONLY outlet on TV that offers a conservative viewpoint. They also bring in liberals, like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean to give their side. MSNBC doesn't offer the same courtesy to conservatives.

You liberals refuse to admit that almost all of the mainstream media slants to the left.. especially Olbermoron, who doesn't call him program an opinion show, he says it's news. It isn't.

Rico:

I guess I'm not like "most" Americans, nor is anyone I happen to know. I just don't know a sole who thought 5 years ago that a "lot of skyscrapers would have come crashing down by now" or "millions of us would have been blown to smithereens by now". Do you really believe this kind of drivel?

Those 19 terrorists and their leaders (who we gave up pursueing) made a lucky hit (for them) on 911 that literally took years of planning for them to pull off. And it happened only because we were not really expecting it.

Where and with what resources do you think the Islamic terrorists have to pull off all of these castastrophic feats more than an ocean away?

No, those of you that continue to cringe in fear from these fanatics have given them FAR more power than they could have ever acheived on their own. A terrorist's goal is to create fear....when you let them succeed in doing this, you have given them the victory they could never have acheived any other way.

Roosevelt said "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"...and that is certainly more true today than it ever was in the dark days of WWII.

Roosevelt said "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"...and that is certainly more true today than it ever was in the dark days of WWII."

Mike, tell that to the 3,000 victims of 9/11, the school children in Chechnya, the train victims in Madrid & London, and the nightclub victims in Jordan & Indonesia.

You talk about Bush letting the terrorist leaders get away... yet in the next sentence say they don't have the resources to pull off such an attack again. Hmmm. Maybe because Bush destroyed their terrorist network..something Clinton could have done a long time ago, but never even tried to.

BigRed:

And WHY are the Jihadists in charge in Palestine and Syria? I think I heard they were ELECTED! There went the creating a Democracy makes an ally theory!

You and the Neocon Right keep saying what will happen if we leave Iraq as if it were fact. The truth is that your side has not been correct about one single prediction yet regarding that country. Why would anyone believe your predictions now? The law of averages maybe?

BigRed said..."tell that to the 3000 victims of 911" & "the train victims in Madrid & London:

Sorry Red, but I have yet to figure out exactly what Iraq had to do with 911. I do however think I know what might have motivated the Madrid, and possibly the London attacks....IRAQ!

First of all, you're wrong about Syria. They do not have legitimate elections. Dissent against their leaders is not tolerated.

Secondly, you liberals love to use the term "neocon" but I don't think a single one of you knows what it actually means. Do you, Mike? Here's a hint.. it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Last night KO blamed members of the "Right-wing" for the guy who mailed the fake powder because he claimed their statements inspired him to do it..today he showed a clip from The Daily Show where John Edwards jokes about shooting Cheney...double standards anyone?

JOhnny Dollar said:

"But what happens when Abramoff points the finger at the most powerful Democrat in the Senate?"

Not this HORSESHIT again. Johnny Dollar, once and for all. It has been SHOWN CONCLUSIVELY that this Abramoff-Reid connection is BULLSHIT. (See the numerous posts I made about John "Smear Reid any which way I can" Solomon when this story came up the first time.) Abramoff is saying WHATEVER HE CAN to save his sorry ass.

STOP PERPETUATING SOMETHING YOU KNOW IS A LIE, YOU TOOL!

Sincerely,

A pissed-off Nevadan

BigRed:

How bout you telling me what "Neocon" means. ole buddy. The first time I ever heard the word in it's present context, it was a conservative who used it (Patrick Buchanon). You know, the word "conservative" apparently doesn't mean what it used to mean either. "Neocon" is used presently to describe the "spread democracy at the point of a gun crowd" today and that is how it is undertood today, by both conservatives and liberals. That (Neocon) philosophy has nothing to do with either conservatism or liberalism.

I meant to say Lebanon when I used the name Syria in my earlier post. Just a simple mistake in terminology on my part, something our president does all the time. In addition, Hamas has been successful in Lebanon only because they have managed to win the hearts and minds of the people, something we have failed miserably to do in Iraq.

> It has been SHOWN CONCLUSIVELY that this Abramoff-Reid connection is BULLSHIT.

man, the truth hurts, even in Nevada. Did you even bother to follow the link. ABC News reports Abramoff incriminating Sen Harry Reid. Not John Solomon. Not AP. But ABC News. And of course, just like Olby, if the news isn't favorable to Dems, you don't want it reported.

Stop perpetuating censorship, you tool.

ABC is also saying Abramoff might offer the goods on 6-8 Democrat senators.

As for "neocons"... the word means former Democrats & socialists who flip to conservatism.
I definately am not/nor was I a socialist (aka liberal). Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice, etc. do not fall into this category either.

Tell me, though, what is the Democrats plan for foreign policy? I'd love to hear it, because they don't have one. At least Bush has made an attempt. Lots of mistakes, but he tried.

bigred...

The Democrats don't "need" a plan. As I posted yesterday from the (d)'s horse's butt:

A liberal blogger on dailykos confirms my worst opinion of the left in this country:

"For our men and women in uniform: 1) Body armor NOW. 2) Vehicle armor NOW. 3) Full funding of VA services NOW. 4) Unrelenting pressure on the president NOW to present his "plan" for getting us out of Iraq. (He, not you(the democratic congressional leadership), is the Commander-in-Chief. This is his hot potato.) Our troops have been through---and continue to go through---hell. Let's reverse the Republican course and start showing `em some goddam respect."

###########
Talking points for governance. 1-3 are nice and easy to agree on. #4 is the telling one.

Leadership is doing. What is "unrelenting pressure?" According to the left, the American people put the democrats in charge BECAUSE of Iraq. Unrelenting pressure? What is that again? No plan for victory, not even a plan for surrender. This is a poor excuse for leadership.

"Hot potato?" I thought we were all in this TOGETHER. What happened to bipartisanship?

For the liberal democratic party, I guess bipartisanship is only possible when:

1) Positive POLITICAL results can be guranteed 100%

2) The "issue" will insure re-election.

3) The "issue" will secure MORE power.

Our men & women in uniform are an "issue" for the liberals......

In a word: "Sad."

What say you Olbermann apologists?

Tina said:

"As a "woman of a certain age", here's what I know for sure: Keith Olbermann is tall, fashionable, masterful in voice and body language, wealthy, and drop-dead gorgeous. I first heard of him when "People" magazine placed him at the top, handily beating too-pretty Anderson Cooper on their Most Beautiful list (Newsman category). I purr at his screen visage every night, and my husband reaps the rewards. Oh...you say Keith does politics, too?"

First, this is not keithOlbermann.org. Go there to discuss your pathetic, sick thoughts. And it would probably help if you had your eyes and your head examined.

Second, how long did it take you to dream up this story? It's not very good, so it couldn't have taken long.

I challenge all of us to listen to what former Reagan and Bush administration officials, former military brass and fighter pilots, former CIA officials, along with numerous scientists and scholars, are saying about the 9/11 attacks. There are questions about that day that need to be addressed, and these people I mention are asking them. Some members of the 9/11 Commission believe that NORAD personnel lied to them. Why would NORAD lie? What are they hiding? Also, there was a spike in put options on American and United Airlines on September 7th, suggesting whomever took them out had some kind of prior knowledge of the attacks. Why hasn't the identity of these stock traders been revealed? Perhaps they were helping to fund Al Qaeda, who knows? Why didn't the administration readily admit from the outset that Dick Cheney was at the White House simulating wargames that morning? Why did they lie to us that night and say they'd had no warnings of such an attack? Why did Bush stay at Booker Elementary School for nearly an hour, thereby putting himself and those children in danger? There are many other pertinent questions that have simply been ignored. Just basic questions. Let's answer them rather than mock people who have experience and expertise in these matters. It is childish to insist that members of the Reagan and Bush administration, CIA agents, military brass, the victim's families, Michael Meacher, Daniel Ellsberg, Andreas Von Bulow, Gore Vidal, Paul Craig Roberts, Bob Bowman and countless others are all part of some vast tin foil hat crowd. Respectfully, I ask each of you to watch Terrorstorm on Google Video, a documentary created by right-wing Christian journalist Alex Jones. Watch 9/11 Press For Truth, watch 9/11 Mysteries, Part One, watch Loose Change. What can it hurt to hear alternate points of view? Again, the sentiments I express are shared by former Reagan and Bush administration officials, former military brass, former fighter pilots, former CIA officials, former Pentagon officials. Again, this includes Daniel Ellsberg, who, as we know, told the truth about Vietnam. Let's work together to determine the facts. And if the 9/11 truth movement is so ridiculous, then it should take no time at all to clear the matter up. But remember it is Lee Hamilton and Thomas Keane who contend that representatives from NORAD were hiding something when they testified. Are Hamilton and Keane tin foil hat people, too? Is the 9/11 commission now part of this tin foil hat conspiracy? Are all these former miltary and CIA, former Reagan and Bush officials just trying to make George W Bush look bad? That doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose by taking such a stand. Ignoring these issues just adds fuel to speculation of American involvment. There are those who seem to be afraid to have an adult conversation about this. They protest too much, which suggests they realize something is wrong and don't want to face it. Most are skeptical until they look at the many documentaries and study the facts. Plainly stated, there is something wrong with the official account of 9/11, and polls consistently show that 80% of Americans agree. It's time for a real, courageous, honest investigation into the events of that awful day. Our future well being depends on it. Peace and long life.

I challenge all of us to listen to what former Reagan and Bush administration officials, former military brass and fighter pilots, former CIA officials, along with numerous scientists and scholars, are saying about the 9/11 attacks. There are questions about that day that need to be addressed, and these people I mention are asking them. Some members of the 9/11 Commission believe that NORAD personnel lied to them. Why would NORAD lie? What are they hiding? Also, there was a spike in put options on American and United Airlines on September 7th, suggesting whomever took them out had some kind of prior knowledge of the attacks. Why hasn't the identity of these stock traders been revealed? Perhaps they were helping to fund Al Qaeda, who knows? Why didn't the administration readily admit from the outset that Dick Cheney was at the White House simulating wargames that morning? Why did they lie to us that night and say they'd had no warnings of such an attack? Why did Bush stay at Booker Elementary School for nearly an hour, thereby putting himself and those children in danger? There are many other pertinent questions that have simply been ignored. Just basic questions. Let's answer them rather than mock people who have experience and expertise in these matters. It is childish to insist that members of the Reagan and Bush administration, CIA agents, military brass, the victim's families, Michael Meacher, Daniel Ellsberg, Andreas Von Bulow, Gore Vidal, Paul Craig Roberts, Bob Bowman and countless others are all part of some vast tin foil hat crowd. Respectfully, I ask each of you to watch Terrorstorm on Google Video, a documentary created by right-wing Christian journalist Alex Jones. Watch 9/11 Press For Truth, watch 9/11 Mysteries, Part One, watch Loose Change. What can it hurt to hear alternate points of view? Again, the sentiments I express are shared by former Reagan and Bush administration officials, former military brass, former fighter pilots, former CIA officials, former Pentagon officials. Again, this includes Daniel Ellsberg, who, as we know, told the truth about Vietnam. Let's work together to determine the facts. And if the 9/11 truth movement is so ridiculous, then it should take no time at all to clear the matter up. But remember it is Lee Hamilton and Thomas Keane who contend that representatives from NORAD were hiding something when they testified. Are Hamilton and Keane tin foil hat people, too? Is the 9/11 commission now part of this tin foil hat conspiracy? Are all these former miltary and CIA, former Reagan and Bush officials just trying to make George W Bush look bad? That doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose by taking such a stand. Ignoring these issues just adds fuel to speculation of American involvment. There are those who seem to be afraid to have an adult conversation about this. They protest too much, which suggests they realize something is wrong and don't want to face it. Most are skeptical until they look at the many documentaries and study the facts. Plainly stated, there is something wrong with the official account of 9/11, and polls consistently show that 80% of Americans agree. It's time for a real, courageous, honest investigation into the events of that awful day. Our future well being depends on it. Peace and long life.

Ted,

Very clear and cogent statement, but sadly its pearls before swine at this site. These people don't want to know facts or hear qualified opinions - they live their virtual lives literally attacking a single messenger that contradicts their cultish dogma!

BigRed,

Wahabi terrorists from the Arabian penninsula clearly wanted Bush to win in 2004, and the rubber-stamp pet congress to be reseated this fall. Without the convenient training ground/honor source represented to them by the chaos in Iraq, they know their metoric rise in the opinions of midle-eastern populations would stagnate. These terrorists have no interest in what conditions the Iraqi people live or die in - they just want the opportunities for their brand of glory to continue.

You insist that the errorists are "dancing in the streets" over the Democratic vctories, but I submit that you are getting this through the embittered filter of Fox news and Matt Drudge. There may be public statements of such coming from thier leaders, but what do you expect? their ace-in-the-hole is their phoney-baloney images as "freedom fighters", through which they garner suport from stressed populations. They couldn't very well publicaly lament the retreat of the Americans, despite the fact that such a move would remove the fuel from their fire. They have to put on the bullshit-face and declare victory.

Its very much like Bush stating his unequivocal, unwavering suport for Rummy a week before shit-canning him in the wake of the election; a propaganda lie.

First of all, 9/11 was NOT an inside job as the whackjobs and Olbyloons would like you to believe. Adjust your tin foil hats.

Secondly, KO is NOT in this year's "sexiest man" issue of People magazine. There IS a reason why they are called Olbyloons as witnessed on full display in the comments section here.

First of all, 9/11 was NOT an inside job as the whackjobs and Olbyloons would like you to believe. Adjust your tin foil hats.

Secondly, KO is NOT in this year's "sexiest man" issue of People magazine. There IS a reason why they are called Olbyloons as witnessed on full display in the comments section here.

"As a "woman of a certain age", here's what I know for sure: Keith Olbermann is tall, fashionable, masterful in voice and body language, wealthy, and drop-dead gorgeous."

It's hard for me to admit that Kieth is not unattractive because I think his soul is unattractive. But objectively, he is not bad looking, I suppose.

However, he is absolutely NOT fashionable. His suits look like they were run up by frankenstein's tailor.

He has looked worse in the past though, when he was given to wearing very dark shirts with much lighter ties. He looked like the lead counsel for John Gotti.

He is only looking good when he sits behind the desk. Don't look at him when he is standing up. He looks like a whale standing up on its tail. He is very big, "..... like holding three men altogether,". I am quoting someone blog.

His taste, he uses to be conservative, but lately, after he gets a girlfriend, oh boy, I have not seen a man dressed like that, a clown, an old man in his 70s, ....... Is it usual guys changed when they get a girlfriend? I mean, not in a good way. Sorry guys, I do not mean to offend nnyone of you. Keith is just a good example.

Beck is a thickheaded republican hack. Enjoy him if you need to. He thinks he is funny. He is a dunce.

Posted by: codas at November 15, 2006 09:36 PM

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but an admitted one, yes?
I just wait for KO's admission, that's all...if KO will admit it, publicly, I will leave you guys alone...it is the point of this entire site actually

Mr Cox, what would you do if KO simply admitted his bias?

At least he could let Dan Patrick on his show once in a while to take the air out of him as he does on the BIG SHOW for 1 hour every weekday on espn radio

Mr. Cox,

SPAMMERS have once again attacked, posting tons of links to try to get this site black listed at Google. How does Charles Johnson at LittleGreenFootballs defeat spammers? I never see spam over there.

Countdown is really a bummer
Keith couldn't get any dumber
He forked out big buck
To give Clinton a suck
Like an intern he gave Bill a hummer

This is my mom,, and I just thought I would post this on several blogs that I partipate in.. and oh by the way.. my mom loves Keith Olbermann and canot stand the president... yet she has led this drive for three years and she is 72 years old.. Cheers Mom..

SOUTH WHITTIER - For two months, the living room of Wanda Smith's home was lined wall-to-wall with cardboard boxes and packing supplies.

In all, she estimated, there was about 25,000 pounds of clothing, toiletries, snacks and other donations in her home - all of it destined for U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

Yet "this is never enough," said Smith, 72.

On Wednesday, deputies from the sheriff's Norwalk Station arrived at her South Whittier home and began loading up the cargo of boxes for transport to Oceanside, where a group called Operation Interdependence would assemble them in care packages for shipment overseas.

The packages contain everything from chocolate candies to Rice Krispie treats to calling cards and batteries.

"It makes them feel like they're close to home when we can send them stuff from here," said sheriff's Sgt. Angela Shepherd. "I know they appreciate anything because they're living in dirt."

Equally important are the Beanie Babies the troops have received. Soldiers hand them out to Iraqi children, who often provide information on where bombs are hidden, soldiers have told Smith in letters, she said.

"The main thing they say is these packages make going over there and fighting worthwhile," she added.

Smith and Norwalk Station officials have collaborated on the collections for the past three years. Deputies solicit donations from the public, while Smith, who volunteers at the station, organizes the collections every spring and winter.

araceli.esparza@sgvn.com

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Cheers from me too, O'Liely's mom

Actually, Olbermann is right. Bush is a fascist and a danger to America. Sorry about my sarcastic limerick.

i appears we have found the true identity of Sir Loin of Beef:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/16/D8LE8F0O3.html

Respectfully, I ask each of you to watch Terrorstorm on Google Video, a documentary created by right-wing Christian journalist Alex Jones. Watch 9/11 Press For Truth, watch 9/11 Mysteries, Part One, watch Loose Change.
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Or just watch the South Park 9/11 episode which sum up 9/11 real nicely...

"Who was behide 9/11?"..."A bunch of pissed off Muslims".

I'm about 12 hours late for the party and have been skimming the posts. Suprise, surprise, Codas there you go again.

"They must be listening to our politics. Why do you not send them the message of unity."

Would you do me a favor and illustrate all that unity from the left that we have been basking in for four years.

Come on, Codas, give us a guide. Something easy, because you insist that the right is stupid. Just some unifying words. Like:

War Proffiteer

War Criminal

Liar

Theif

Corrrupt

Power Hungry

Moron

Draft Dodger

AWOL

Brainless

King

Torturer

Shredded the Constitution

You can see how much I need help. I could only remember a few of the unifying words you think I should be using. A'int life grand. The more things change, the more they stay the same for some.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Johnny Dollar said:

"ABC News reports Abramoff incriminating Sen Harry Reid. Not John Solomon. Not AP. But ABC News."

I did follow the link, and it RELIES ON the AP stories written BY JOHN SOLOMON. There is NO new evidence presented that wasn't already used by him in his baseless and worthless smears on Senator Reid earlier this year.

Do some fact-checking, tool.

This is how delusional KO's female fans are. They think he should have been on the cover of GQ's man of the year because they believe he's such a GOOD dresser. How then do they explain the fact that his suits are so ill-tailored and so ill-fitting that he can't button all the buttons on his jacket? And he's hardly a love god. In addition to the rumored "performance issues" he has, he's got an ass that should have wide load tatooed on it and his hips have been referred to as "womanly" and "child-bearing" by Don Imus. And his belly makes him look like he's about 5 months pregnant. With twins. Why do you think that his chair keeps getting lower and lower on the Countdown set? It won't be too much longer before they raise it to chin level on him. He's fortunate in that he does not appear to gain weight in the face like a lot of people do. Otherwise, given the size of the rest of him, he'd have 5 chins. And I haven't even begun to touch on his color-coordination issues. Stripes on stripes on stripes is not a fashion statement. And it appears that his new girlfriend is outfitting him now in pink ties. She must also be fond of the color green (well we know she's fond of the green in his wallet for sure). Neither color is particularly flattering on him. Okay back to the delusion of the KO fan set. They think he should be on the cover. As if he were famous enough to warrant that. Have they checked the cover of the GQ man of the year issue yet? He's not even LISTED on the names section of the other honorees on the cover! That's because GQ knows his is NOT a name that would sell magazines. 90% of the public has no idea who the hell he is and if they do, they will most likely remember him from SportsCenter, not the basement dwelling show he has now on MSNBC. And still, no word, not a single explanation from the over 40 set of females who worship him on how it is they can excuse him from his consistent insults towards older women and for his shacking up with a 21-year old girl right out of college. Hypocrites, one and all. Clueless hypocrites.

And PS: 9/11 still remains the work of Muslim whackjobs, not our government.

Don't really have time to address another, yet again, ridiculous post by jd but I do have one question:
Who is Senator Richard McCain?

Senator Richard McCain is from the same state Senator-elect Drew Carey hails from. (Keith Olbermann...election night 2006)

And PS: 9/11 still remains the work of Muslim whackjobs, not our government.

Posted by: Keith's a Fraud at November 16, 2006 11:36 AM

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No everyone knows it was Kyle from South Park...Cartman proved it

Posted by: bigred at November 16, 2006 01:13 AM, very good analysis. Let me take your thoughts one step farther.

This is the basis for my support from beginning into the future for the Battle in Iraq in the War on Terror.

The Islamofascists have been an amphous worlwide movement constantly striving for the legitimacy and cover that a bona fide nation state can provide them. So, Somalia and Afghanistan.

Iraq is the strategically placed nation state in the mid east. Whoever controls Iraq controls access to Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Israel and a few others. They also control the bulk of the world's cheapest energy sources.

The picture of the middle east as a hegemonic Iran is something that I recoil at. I can conceive of ways we could limit the attacks on us at home, but they wouln't be pretty. And the economic devastation worldwide would be unimaginable.

Ergo, I support with all I have the strongest policy in Iraq we can muster. The Islamofascists have concentrated on driving a wedge between the American people while they bide their time waiting for that to succeed. If we abandon Iraq, I don't think we will have to wait more then a few years to start reaping what we sowed.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

In Nancy Pelosi's election as the first female speaker of the House, she is fulfilling her promise of "cleaning the house" of corruption.

As far as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Pelosi is backing Rep. Alcee Hastings, who had been impeached as a federal judge on bribery charges.

And as far as majority leader, Pelosi is backing Rep. John Murtha, he has been a backroom distributor of federal pork who disdained public exposure, in the headlines only as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1980 Abscam scandal until recently.

We can only hope she will continue her house cleaning efforts in this matter for her entire term as speaker. Good Luck Ms. Pelosi, I am glad I was able to place the reigns of the US Congress in your obviously very capable hands by using my special comments to achieve the victory the Democrats were not able to garner for themselve until MY show came along. You are welcome.

Good Night...

Mike @ 1:55 PM, are you sure you meant to now say:

"I meant to say Lebanon when I used the name Syria in my earlier post."

On what planet is the Lebanon you speak of. The one on ours is and has been controlled by Syria. Or, by freely elected government do you mean a la Soviet puppet states?

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

WOW talk about a short honeymoon for Pelosi...

Her choice for majority leader, Murtha, has apparenly ben beaten by Hoyer...

so the honeymoon was over in less than an hour when she received her first defeat

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/16/D8LE9HO80.html

Lady rump of lamb, just got to this statement of yours:

"You insist that the errorists are "dancing in the streets" over the Democratic vctories, but I submit that you are getting this through the embittered filter of Fox news and Matt Drudge. There may be public statements of such coming from thier leaders,"

Our dear mad Adolph wrote an unhinged blueprint of his beliefs and plans for Germany and the rest of the world. Dictated to Gorring in prison in the early twenties.

The ONLY world leader I know of who took him at HIS OWN WORDS was Churchill.

And you cavalierly brush off the Islamofascists leaders OWN WORDS as being irrelelvant. Its not like the 'Liar in Chief' (another unifying phrase for my new lexicon) said it. Those words came directly from the mouths of the innocents being persecuted by the evil King George 43.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

>>Her choice for majority leader, Murtha, has apparenly ben beaten by Hoyer...

Crap!...as Murtha would say.

It would have been a hoot to have had a target like Murtha as majority leader. I hope there's not some sort of continguency plan by savvy Dems to circumvent all Pelosi's clueless decisions.

But could be this was just a show to appease the blue-blog leftists and no one had any real intention of installing Murtha.

Janet,

Perhaps if he hadn't been or promoted the following, unity would be easier.

War Proffiteer

War Criminal

Liar

Theif

Corrrupt

Power Hungry

Moron

Draft Dodger

AWOL

Brainless

King

Torturer

Shredded the Constitution

Just saying you know.....

Hilarious!

Check this out at CBS news:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/14/opinion/garver/main2180043.shtml

Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) was elected House majority leader this morning, defeating Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi's candidate, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.).

Hoyer won the No. 2 leadership job easily -- 149 to 86. But the showdown divided the Democrat House caucus only a week after its party won a majority of seats in the Congress that begins meeting in January, and prompted numerous complaints that Pelosi and her allies used strong-arm tactics and threats to try to elect Murtha to the job.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/16/AR2006111600514.html

Feel the unity (within the Democratic party)

Sen Richard McCain is a close friend of Sen Joe Lieberthal.

hahahahahaha!

Feel the unity (within the Democratic party)

Posted by: Connor at November 16, 2006 12:35 PM

Connor, I know after years of lock step Nazi like loyalty it will be a change for the media and the American public to deal with the infighting of the democratic party. It's traditionaly been a party that has real debate, not just talking points given out in order to seem strong and unified. Time to wake up out of the deluded slumber. The unity of the republicans was great for getting elected,"until now that is" but it was, and still is a drive off a cliff for this country. They satayed the course and the country kicked them right in their stuborn asses.

Nice to be ignored, Johnny. What say you to the fact that the ABC story on Harry Reid relies exclusively on the AP stories written by that hack John Solomon.

There is nothing new there. Just the same old manure that was dug up months ago, paraded around by talking heads as "scandal" and then tossed into the dustbin because there wasn't anything there.

Pelosi steps up to the first tee....addresses the ball...."Hello Ball"...decides on John ABSCAM Murtha as her choice...........SKULLS THE BALL far left into the woods......

Hah Hah !! Welcome to the jungle...Madam Speaker.

oh good ...i was waitng for another Nazi reference! If you say Nazi...am I supposed to answer with Communtist or just simply make my point?

BTW...I know there is infighting in the democrat pary (just like the republican party)

your side were the one who said the D's would bring unity and peace and etc

your side were the one who said the D's would bring unity and peace and etc

Posted by: Connor at November 16, 2006 12:58 PM

Your side said they had a roadmap to peace in the middle east and democracy spreading all over. The nazi reference is strictly an obedience to their leaders, you know what I meant. Pelosi took a stand and made her choice known. They chose otherwise. I know every little thing will be scrutinized now and thats the way it should be. Unlike the way it has been that's for sure.

> What say you to the fact that the ABC story on Harry Reid relies exclusively on the AP stories written by that hack John Solomon.

Attacking the media again? What would Olby say to that? Is it your claim that the AP stories stated that Jack Abramoff was talking to federal authorities and implicating Reid? That's the headline of the ABC report.

Of course, to Olbermann the real news is not what ABC reported sourced to the federal investigators themselves, but his own thin-air speculation that Abramoff is going to implicate Karl Rove, based not on ABC reports, or AP stories, but just his own fevered fantasies. Now THAT is the work of a hack!

Codas, that was a great comeback. A real zinger. About the best I've seen from either side on this site.

Now to the serious question I posed when I asked about unity.

You can't seriously mean that only repubs are deserving of criticism? And all dems only speak the truth, therefore they are unifying and worthy of praise.

What is this vision of unity. Dems can continue on unabated with their vile rhetoric. And the repubs should join them in trashing the admin and its supporters while also praising all that the dems do?

And, something I wonder about. Do you believe the rhetoric as unvarnished truth? You know that Bush et al and people like me are the personification of evil and death in the modern world.

I think you guys are wrong in the policies you promote. I don't jump from that to you are evil scum who want to destroy our country and kill as many as you can in the process.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Johnny Dollar said:

"Is it your claim that the AP stories stated that Jack Abramoff was talking to federal authorities and implicating Reid? That's the headline of the ABC report."

No my claim is that the BODY of the ABC report relies upon Solomon's work to back up the claim. And Solomon's work is flawed.

Unlike the way it has been that's for sure.

Posted by: codas at November 16, 2006 01:04 PM

You're serious about this? You've been here for longer than I have...you follow the news and listed the sites you tend to do it from much less KO's little nightly school play...every little thing has NOT been scrutinized? please explain

And, something I wonder about. Do you believe the rhetoric as unvarnished truth? You know that Bush et al and people like me are the personification of evil and death in the modern world.

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 16, 2006 01:09 PM

Stop wondering. I don't believe republicans are the personification of evil and death. I just think the current batch is deluded. If Pat Buchanan, or brace yourself, Nixons clone would run for president right now I'd vote for him. This admnistration is awful. I am sorry if by pointing that out, or believing that myself makes me I seem like I lump all the people that support them into one basket. I have no doubt that Republicans love their country. I do have doubt about their vision of what they want it to be.

"Codas, that was a great comeback. A real zinger. About the best I've seen from either side on this site."

For his next act, Codas will post all responses in Haiku.

Now I have to go to work at my new job that pays less than what I made in the 90's and be a part of that booming economy that Bush talks about.

Codas, my friend...come over to the dark side...apparently we can get you a well paying job as many of the people from the left on this site regularly assume all R's are rich money grubbers

ah, thank god Dims believe in free speech
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/501841164?ltl=1163619952

are you now or have you ever ben a member of an Ann Coulter book club?

See what happens when the democrats win

Inflation on the ropes
Consumer Price Index falls more than forecasts on lower gasoline prices, core CPI reading also tamer than expectations.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/16/news/economy/cpi/index.htm?postversion=2006111611

Codas, my friend...come over to the dark side...apparently we can get you a well paying job as many of the people from the left on this site regularly assume all R's are rich money grubbers

Posted by: Connor at November 16, 2006 01:25 PM

Before I go I have to say that while I don't think all republicans are rich money grubbers, there are a lot of young ones who think they are going to be rich one day and act like they are now. When they get old enough and find out that they are just a poor working stiff they will see at last that they were one of the deluded.

Later.

> The BODY of the ABC report relies upon Solomon's work to back up the claim. And Solomon's work is flawed.

Because you say so? Let's say Solomon's reporting is flawed, just for argument's sake. It's still NEWS that Abramoff is pointing the finger at Reid. If a slovenly political hack like Olbermann can make up a story about Abramoff implicating Karl Rove out of thin air, and then turn around and deliberately spike the GENUINE news that in fact he's implicating Reid...that just proves that he's nothing but a parrot for Dem talking points, protecting his party by censoring news that they don't like. That's why The Hour of Spin is the most biased, slanted, and one-sided hour of "news" on television.

God! I love this man!

What was the reason for Beck being the wpitw??

Well Codas, I have no reason to doubt your word EXCEPT that I have read months of posts with you using those words and worse. That Bush et al and any who support him are lying, murderous, theiving traitors.

If you meant this what you said @ 1:19 when did this conversion overtake you? Today?

Saint Janet of Grammie

PS Neither Nixon nor Buchannan are what I embrace as conservative.

Nixon instituded wage and price controls. A real monetary conservative, not.

Buchannan is an isolationist. Can you say 1930s Republican?

I heard a rumor while in New York that Olbermann is routinely spotted in bars at night in the city getting bombed out of his skull. And that he needs an NBC limo to get him home, because he would arrested for DUI if he drove.

Any truth to this?

J$ or R Cox, I am having some pboblems posting. Not always. There seems to be more difficulty after using preview.

When I refresh I get a blenk page and the post never shows up or shows up much later.

This is on the sidebar:

An Olbermann Watch Tribute (349)
Janet Hawkins wrote: Thank you, I think. Who is Douglas Adams? Just googled and got a taste. My son had "A Hitchhikers... [more]

But as of a few minutes the post was not at that thread (is that the right word?0.

Thanks,

Janet Hawkins

Janet,

Well, the visigoths have been causing technical problems here.

I wonder how KO will spin the Murtha loss for Majority Leader....

Any predictions?

"I wonder how KO will spin the Murtha loss for Majority Leader...."

Those eeeeevvvviiiilllllll right-wing bloggers again.

Or maybe, Karl Rove.......

(I hear twilight zone theme music in the background...)

Eventually, the dangerous people will kill us all if we don't fight fight fight. Let's quit swatting flies. We need to invade all the places in the world that might be a danger to us! Take the fight to them! They will love us for it. We can make them democracies and give them all the good things in life, and then there will be lots of rapturous peace and harmony!! Plant thousands of seeds of peace!

What do you say?! We'll remake the world!!! You up for it, or would you rather support terrorists like Keith Olbermann?

The radio show was interesting today. Seems KO speculated on the prospect of having Bill O'Reilly on Dancing with the Stars and said he'd be waiting for Bill with a surgical instrument to sever his hamstring. After a commercial break, he came back and apologized for any remark he might have made which might would incite violence by any of his Krazies and then had to recount (once again) the long epic tale of his "terrorism" scare. Hmm. Is he on his best behavior because the LA Times is about to write a story on him? What exactly prompted this on-air apology? It's quite un-KO like. And he didn't seem to be pleased to have to give it either. Did the ESPN executives swat him and force him to apologize?

And while I hate to defend him here, there's no truth to him having to have a limo driver to avoid DUI's. He can't drive period, something about a head injury (which explains so very much about him doesn't it?) years ago that damaged his vision and renders him unable to drive. The part about him getting shit-faced drunk in bars in NYC on a regular basis? That part I wouldn't doubt in the slightest.

Eventually, the dangerous people will kill us all if we don't fight fight fight. Let's quit swatting flies. We need to invade all the places in the world that might be a danger to us! Take the fight to them! They will love us for it. We can make them democracies and give them all the good things in life, and then there will be lots of rapturous peace and harmony!! Plant thousands of seeds of peace!

What do you say?! We'll remake the world!!! You up for it, or would you rather support terrorists like Keith Olbermann?

I listen to DP on the radio too...the pure anguish in his voice (which he admitted to) as he made the apology to BO, then to make himself feel better he generalized it to all broadcastes/journalists about condoning physical acts

Dear Dan

This is Ron….Im doing Dog shows…did you see me…announcing dog shows…My damn dad was president of the United States. I hated my dad but thats beside the point. The point is IM DOING DAMN DOG SHOWS…..let me back on MSNBC PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ron

Karl Rove, the wannabe nerd strikes again....This time it's Murtha.

"I have the votes" he said to Matthews.
Looks like Murtha can't count.

Johnny Dollar said:

"It's still NEWS that Abramoff is pointing the finger at Reid."

NOT if it's based off of long-discredited allegations that have been DISPROVEN. Nothing in the ABC article is NEW - it's all about the allegations that were brought up (and then just as quickly dispensed with) months ago.

Besides, as I said the first time, Abramoff will say ANYTHING to cut a better deal so he doesn't have to do his whole 70-month stretch. His statements, ABSENT CORROBORATION, are worthless.

Hmmmm... apparently his statements about Republicans helped the Dems push the "culture of corruption" theme to electoral victory (they seemed worth something then)...

I guess up until two weeks ago Abramoff was honest and truthful and not interested in saving his skin saved... then, he mentioned Democrats and became worthless.

JohnE siad:

"I guess up until two weeks ago Abramoff was honest and truthful and not interested in saving his skin saved... then, he mentioned Democrats and became worthless."

You miss the point. The statements made by Abramoff against Ney and the others could be confirmed with other evidence (photos, documents, e-mail correspondence, etc.).

The allegations against Reid are just that - allegations. No independent evidence can be found to substantiate the claims, and they've had months to collect it.

not piling on codas, just tidying up loose ends. but the roosevelt "only thing to fear..." quote was given during his inaugural address in 1932. well before the "dark days of WW2".

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." This is quoted quite often, but it is silly if you actually think about what it really means. Be afraid of being afraid.

not piling on codas, just tidying up loose ends. but the roosevelt "only thing to fear..." quote was given during his inaugural address in 1932. well before the "dark days of WW2".

sorry for the double post. "it's my first day"

sorry for the double post. it's my first day...

Breaking News..."Republicans stole my election to majority leader".......John Murtha.

Too bad Olby did not pay homage to Murtha in a "Special Comment"... Olby is probably kicking himself.

"YOU opened our closed eyes? Have you checked any of the other posters here from your side of the aisle? You think none of them has said the same item over and over ad nauseam? Delusions of granduer much?

evangelical christians are the identical group to extremist muslim terrorists? do you write for rosie o'donnell? I am sorry I must have missed all those tapes on CNN or AJ of evengelical christians showing their kidnapped victims pleading for their lives or reading a political diatribe in the hopes that their lives would be spared, but then watching as their necks were sliced to the point that they almost come off...please point me to that video...it must be here somewhere on Algore's WWWeb since they are identical, right?

Posted by: Connor at November 16, 2006 09:22 AM"

False premise, false analogy. Too much Rush Limbaugh. And no, I pay no attention to what others of a like mind as myself say here. Unlike you I am not a coward that readily seeks out others to partner up with. I can stand on my own.

What I said, and what I stand by, is what I wrote, and I will write it again. See if you can skip the word for word Rush Limbaugh input that has no application to the similarities I sight.

"The presumption of having a monopoly on truth and morality."

You want to deny that evangelicals and Islamists share this in common? Do so at your pleasure it will not change the accuracy of my claims, only bolster them.

You sight beheadings as though killing someone kidnapped and then taping it for propaganda purposes is somehow more dead than killing them with an air strike or as collateral damage? You may like to elevate the manner of the death above the act of causing a death but to the parents and children of those who die there you are exactly what they perceive you to be - exactly like the Islamists who terrorize them far more than 911 terrorized you here.

What you are doing is dwelling on the fear factor - a plan and simple attribute of a typical coward. You seek out the most horrific characterizations of killing and dwell on them purely to satisfy your dualistic thinking of being both morally superior and a supporter of justified killing of innocents. You could not have made my argument more simple with your focus on quality of killing vs. quantity of killing.

Number of innocent dead in 911 - about 3000

Number of innocent dead in Iraq more than 100,000

You are exactly what you so desperately try not to be - a coward that huddles with others of like minded thinking hoping that shear numbers will somehow change the reality of your morally bankrupt thinking, err.. ah... lack of thinking - for yourself.

All the Rush Limbaugh's and all the Sean Hannity's will not set you free. This nation stood up and spoke last Nov 7th and rejected your fake redrawing of the realities of this war we are in - a war here and abroad - a war between those who think for themselves and the coward sheep that turn to religious double-speak to justify killing innocents as a remedy for living in fear. The cowards are those islamists who behead innocent people, and like wise, the cowards here are those that exploit such evils to turn and do the same and worse to other people who are just as innocent.

You are a despicable coward that clings to the pant legs of the biggest media whores like Limbaugh and Hannity. Like a helpless child who is living with terror all around you. Yet you are not living in such a world. But Iraqi children are on a daily basis because of cowards like defending the policies that create far worse death and destruction than you sight.

You are a coward and you have done well to assist me in demonstrating it.

Keep trying, every little bit helps.

Posted by: Coward Watch at November 16, 2006 05:04 PM

Gone to Lunch, be back later. Keep up the good work.

So, only christians are in our military serving in Iraq?

I'm sure there's more than a few jews and muslims and others who would disagree with you.

While calling others a coward, you show yourself to be a true tin-foil hat moron.

Go take your meds, drink your kool-aid, get under the bed and the nice man in the white coat will be along shortly to take you to your nice, comfortable, padded cell.

BOY GEORGE IGNORES DADDY/EXPERTS, DESTROYS POTTERY BARN ANYWAY

-- Calls For Humpty Dumpty Suggestions From New Majority Party --

WASHINGTON -- After ignoring the advice of middle east experts who orchestrated the successful Desert Storm invasion of Iraq during his father's administration, President George W. Bush has now agreed to ignore the advice of the same experts who now impanel the Iraq Study Group. In preparation for the study group's imminent report on Iraq, Bush has initiated an alternate internal administration review of Iraq policies -- the Cherry Picking Iraq Study Group.

"So, only christians are in our military serving in Iraq?
Posted by: jdawg at November 16, 2006 05:18 PM"

Again you inject something I didn't even come close to saying.

Show me Mr.DAWG where I wrote anything, any thing at all about who is serving in Iraq anywhere on this site. As everyone who can read without their Hannitized lenses on can attest to the only attribute I have ever given to those who wear the uniform is "America's finest". Look it up fool.

Because you can not listen or read without your narrow minded coward blinders on you invent something and then argue against it. All I ever said in the above post about evangelicals is that they believe they have a monopoly on truth and morality. I also say they use this assumption to give support to the policies of our government that results in hundreds of thousands of dead innocent people in Iraq.

And as usual the bankrupt cowards that you and your cohorts are, you end up ignoring the glaring realities of plain reason and logic and cling to your Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity theorems of nonsensical coward garbage.

Afraid to think and especially afraid to think on your own. Now go huddle with shivering masses of cowards that seek out reality through consensus.

Oh and thanks again for demonstrating how simple fools like you are to shoot down.

coward,

All you do is engage in verbage diarrhea (that's the written kind - I think you probably speak the same way). You concoct wild-assed conspiracies (with no evidence) and link oranges to bananas while spewing hate and bile. Then, when someone takes the time to try and make some sense of your written feces, and calls you on a point that you appear to be making, you spew more vile garbage and crap.

You refer to those who stand up for thier country as cowards and refuse to see the islamists as the real enemy of this country.

I think you need to (1) seek professional help for your BDS; (2) take some classes in anger management; (3) take some courses in English Composition so you can learn to construct a coherent sentence.

When you can say something that makes sense, let me know. Till then, stfu.

BTW, just so you know, it's people like me who have fought so that jackasses like you can spew your garbage. I am your worst freakin' nightmare: a conservative veteran who has no problem calling you what you are.

moron.

> Abramoff will say ANYTHING to cut a better deal

Then it is your position that who he implicates is not news and Olby should not report it? Therefore Olby should not speculate about whether he might implicate Karl Rove? But Olby's already done that!! How can Olby making up something Abramoff might say be news, but what Abramoff DOES say not be news? Only on OlbyPlanet.

"I am your worst freakin' nightmare: a conservative veteran who has no problem calling you what you are."

Wait, "jdawg", I thought our worst freakin' nightmare was islamists?

Truth be told, my worst freakin nightmare usually involves being anally raped by Ann Coulter, but that's just me.

"You refer to those who stand up for thier country as cowards and refuse to see the islamists as the real enemy of this country.

Posted by: jdawg at November 16, 2006 06:02 PM"

Boy you sure are consistent.

Let's get one thing strait as you try to replicate my outraged style. You are not standing up for this country or our democracy that makes this great country what it is. You are here to play power games as a remedy for simple minded cowardice. Evangelicals stand up for one thing - saving themselves from the God of their choice. A god that would never accept the culture of the Klan who after enslaving millions for more than 400 years of the history and pre history of this nation unrepentantly perpetrated another 100 years of segregation. Now they want to hold themselves up as defending democracy and this nation? Bull shit.

It is those that are constantly out to dictate morality to this nation that suffer the most self hate - that group is the bible belt evangelicals. That self hate comes from the long term effects of living with the bible in one hand chains of slaves in the other. They inherited from their parents the same old guilt complex that causes them to continue to stumble. If they aren't sending money to Jim and Tammy Baker types they are wrapping themselves in the flag in the same manner you are trying to do here.

You do not stand up for your country by mixing religion and politics you are doing the opposite. This is why fools like you with no education have no clue why our fore fathers came here in the first place.

You make all the claims you want about "standing up for this country" as long as you defend the historical and present practices of the bible belt evangelicals you are anti-democracy and pro theocracy.

Millions of slaves for more than 400
600,000 dead in the Civil War
100 years of Segregation
Mixing religion and politics in a shameful war of revenge

This is not defending your country this is ignorance and living in denial about the culture you assimilate to or were born into.

The cultural decedents of the Klu Klux Klan do not need to born of bible belt decedents. If you cowardly cling to this gang mentality and give no credence to the history of this nation, what this democracy was founded on, then you can not be seen as defending our nation.

This is why the republican party took 50 years to gain a majority and lost in 12. They are not what true Americans want as a government, we do not want the likes of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh turning this nation into a land of brain dead sheep that will fall in line behind idiots like Bush,Tom Delay and Bill Frist and all the other hillbillies that exploit the cultural fix those poor bastards in the bible belt have on their shoulders because of what their fathers and cultural fathers did in the past. Exploitation by the most powerful. You defend this, I condemn it!

Johnny Dollar said:

"Then it is your position that who he implicates is not news and Olby should not report it?"

My position is that if Abramoff's claim can be corroborated, it should be reported. You forget that thousands of documents were seized in the Abramoff investigation over the last two years, and none of them implicate Senator Reid. There are, however, documents (the Secret Service logs at the White House) that connect Abramoff to Rove.

"How can Olby making up something Abramoff might say be news, but what Abramoff DOES say not be news?"

Here, read this:

"The sources say Abramoff was about to provide information about Bush administration officials, including Karl Rove, 'accepting things of value' from Abramoff. Rove has denied any wrongdoing in his dealings with Abramoff. But the lobbyist visited the White House at least seven times, according to Secret Service logs obtained by Judicial Watch." - Washington Times Nov. 15, 2006

Sounds like he WAS implicating Rove as well...

"Truth be told, my worst freakin nightmare usually involves being anally raped by Ann Coulter, but that's just me."

Yeah, that's just you. I doubt Ann would lower herself to that. She's too classy.

And, BTW, My remark was reserved for Coward, and you are right in that the islamists are our worst nightmare.

coward:

what. ever.

Mr. Dawg wrote:

"Yeah, that's just you. I doubt Ann would lower herself to that. She's too classy.

And, BTW, My remark was reserved for Coward, and you are right in that the islamists are our worst nightmare."

Ann Coulter classy? Holy crap are you a comedian or what?

Islamists can not defeat us as long as we do not allow a similar theological (look it up Dawg) dictatorship here as much of the Bush regime thought they had going there for awhile.

How ironic it is that the same people who shutter and live in fear of Islamists have no problem supporting the marriage between the evangelical Christian right and the Republican party who together sent nearly 3000 of America's finest men who wear the uniform of our nation into a battle for control of a nation that did not attack us and was not about to attack us. Without the organized efforts of the exploitative leadership of the evangelicals Bush would never have been in a position to create this war. 3000 of our nations finest would still be alive, their families would not be grieving for them over a war that was fought on the guise of defense but turned out to be all about oil and the control of it.

Go ahead and live in denial who you are and what you think you represent but claim to represent our nations finest and I will have some words for you as I have. You are not a hero of our nation's military just someone parasitic to it. There is a huge difference and you have done well to see how easy it shows.

coward:

what. ever.

coward:

trying to have an intelligent debate with you is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I find you obnoxious, stupid, and annoying. Therefore, piglet, I will not waste any more time on you.

"coward:

what. ever.

Posted by: jdawg at November 16, 2006 07:19 PM"

That's better. I can go now.

Ann Cuntler classy ? Hell he said that Lincoln Chaffee was the first retarded public servant today.

Thanks to people like Codas and Coward the West is lost.
I'm moving to Australia at least they stand up to Muslims!

Thanks to people like Codas and Coward the West is lost.
I'm moving to Australia at least they stand up to Muslims!

Hell no I won't go. I'm going to stay here and annoy as many liberals as I possibly can.

Coward, I will concede you are the GREATEST HERO KNOWN TO MAN if you will just learn the difference between:

Sight

Site

Cite.

If you insist on riding in on your high horse casting slurs on those abject cowards who disagree with you, for Gods sake PLEASE learn some basic vocabulary.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

I'm getting too old to give private lessons to those who should know better.

"I'm moving to Australia at least they stand up to Muslims!
Posted by: Red Wolf at November 16, 2006 07:57 PM"

Lone Wolf to Red Wolf, can you read me? Over! Let's pretend!

Ah so much comradery here. Rubbing elbows with like minds, it almost seem like yall could be like normal educated people here. No more of this Britney Spears and Gomer Pile representation in the American family. You almost seem like one them, you know one of them educated people. All the testimonies of how scary the "Muslims" are. Never mind that there are more than a billion of them and 99% of them live in fear just like you, fear of the same 1% who are radical theofacists over come with hatred, just like you. Hatred that is nurtured by the same old drum beat of "they're trying to kill us" when the last I checked we are killing them a thousand to one. But never mind that, all that educated number stuff. What fun is that. Instead let's all tune into the hate merchants like Limbaugh and Hannity and pretend there are radical Muslims lurking just outside the trailer park just waiting to come kick our door and take out guns. Err... uhhh.. I meant just waiting to kill us. We no longer walk talk eat and sleep how the enemy is a government out to take our guns that was put on the back burner by the mind monkeys at Fox and The Limbaugh Hour of Hate and Power. No let's all eat sleep walk and talk 24 -7 how there are Muslims around every corner just waiting to kill us.

Fact is the threat is very real but your portrait of it is wayyy out of context with reality. Nothing the 99% of the billion Muslims on this planet would love to see more is the end of the terrorist theofacists that rule over all of them. The worst of the worst of them would be the financiers of all this evil like the Saudi Royal family's governmental policies that paid off the extremists for years with funding for their Madrassas (Koranic schools) that led up to 911. And what American family was best friends with the Saudi Royal family all those years? Yep you guessed it, the Bush family. W's father as well as W himself were very close to them, all those years. Now it is not so smart to be flaunting that friendship in public.

But dumb hillbillies like you pay no mind to startling realities, you dwell in your testimonies of fear so you can justify your KKK mentality of hating those that you see as hating you. Oh that's so Christian of you. Not! Yes they are out there and they do want to kill us. Question is, are you helping or making the situation worse? Oh I bet you are just chomping at the bit anxious to testify about how you want to kill them and how you are a brave patriot that stands up for America. Whose America? Yours? The trailer park America?

Small minds with small ideas that turned out in small numbers in the last election. No it ain't your America, it's our America and your pathetic testimonies of fear and hate might sound significant to you here but in the bigger picture of American culture you are the embarrassment of us all. That is why Hollywood portraits you generation after generation as backward and gullible. Noting beats a real education in a secular school like a great story teller who shows the world what it is like to live without one, an education.

You guys tell the story well. You make my job so easy!

More verbal diarrhea from coward.

Anything new? nope.

Anything that makes sense? uh, nope.

oh, well, maybe next time. > yawn

"Hey, Pa, what's that burning smell? Is coward sacrificing to the devil again?"

"Nah, he's just responding to jdawg - y'know his head explodes when he does that."

nite nite.

Coward-

I see you have been playing poorly with others while I was away...

anyway let me repond to this one:
Posted by: Cward Watch at November 16, 2006 05:11 PM

the first words of your post are "false premise, false analogy"....THE FREAKIN PREMISE WAS YOURS!!!! You used the word IDENTICAL in the your original post I was responding to talking about evangelical christians and extremist muslim terrorists, not similar, not of a kind, IDENTICAL! Therefore, the evangelical christians must be doing IDENTICAL things to their enemies, right? And, since the extremist muslim terrorists have kidnapped people and broadcast the beheadings of their kidnapped victims, then their must be footage of the evangelical christians doing the same thing!

BTW...I am sure I am not the only one here tired about you and others claiming we get all our views from Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly...especially when the different people here rarely cite them and usually cite other reference points on the web, including points from your own generally liberal MSM outlets. Please note that it is a non-starter as an argument because it has already been proven time and again to be false and therefore only dilutes the value of your own argument or point.

"And no, I pay no attention to what others of a like mind as myself say here. Unlike you I am not a coward that readily seeks out others to partner up with." - Fantastic, so you skip any points that were made by them and therefore miss any counter-points made back against them and entire arguments have to re-done for your self-gratification, great....and as far as partner up with each other, hilarious some of may be of like mind on a point and take you on individually but partner up...just to deal with you? I see we can add paranoia to delusions of granduer problems.

"You sight beheadings as though killing someone kidnapped and then taping it for propaganda purposes is somehow more dead than killing them with an air strike or as collateral damage?" You are athletic too, I see, you can jump to conclusions with great ease. I say that because if you read my words there is nothing that indicates anything of the sort. I defy you to point to anything in that post which even comes close to that implication. It would be like me saying your quote of "What I said, and what I stand by, is what I wrote" SO, you imply that you are discriminatory against people who are para- or quadrapalegic since they cannot STAND BY what they write?...see, like your conclusionary jump, it is of the same value.

"What you are doing is dwelling on the fear factor - a plan and simple attribute of a typical coward. You seek out the most horrific characterizations of killing and dwell on them purely to satisfy your dualistic thinking of being both morally superior and a supporter of justified killing of innocents. You could not have made my argument more simple with your focus on quality of killing vs. quantity of killing." - Seriously, did you actually read and comprehend my post? Where do I say anything about "quality of killing vs. quantity of killing"? Also, I used the beheadings as a single example of act that is not identical between the groups and where the heck do I show "dualistic thinking of being both morally superior and a supporter of justified killing of innocents"? in that post? as far as feeling morally superior to someone who cuts the heads off of journalist and non-combatants, yeah I would have to say I am morally superior to them, aren't you? aren't they the cowards?

Oh and by the way, re-read your own post and you can see where jdawg gets the idea that it looks like you have it as evengelicals vs extermist muslims (or at the very least the only ones here who supported the war were evangelicals) as they are the only ones you site....Oh, also point out exactly how religious I and the other posters here are as you seem to think you know based on the fact that according to you, we are "the coward sheep that turn to religious double-speak to justify killing innocents as a remedy for living in fear"...I have seen no religious speak or double speak on my part...do you?

Finally, you throw the word "coward" around rather freely (and grossly inaccurately) and I am reminded of a very popular quote:

from The Princess Bride:
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

"I am your worst freakin' nightmare: a conservative veteran who has no problem calling you what you are."

Wait, "jdawg", I thought our worst freakin' nightmare was islamists?

Truth be told, my worst freakin nightmare usually involves being anally raped by Ann Coulter, but that's just me.

I think Chemist has some issues that need resolving...Bob, knows a Dr where you can get prescriptions!

chemist, I think you need to seek professional help.

Codas, I notice you picked the post script from my comment to question me on. Thats fine. I will answer your question.

Would I vote for NIxon because GWB isn't a small government conservative either.

You made the hypothetical match up, not me.

But any vote I cast is based on six absolute deal breakers. they are:

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERRORISM

After that, the second deal breaker is:

TAXES AND ECONOMY

After that:

REDUCTION SIZE OF GOVERNMENT AND REGULATORY REACH

And, naturally all the issues that are contained within each function, such as porous borders, energy production, freedom of speech and association, and the right to own property.

If both candidates are indistinguisable at this point I would have to get down to Social Security reform. A hybrid of the present thinly veiled welfare system and private ownership and investment that is part of the estate of the participant.

And all of it flows from the bedrock of beliefs that I bring to life's most serious and difficult questions.

First, and foremost, all of these things are meaningless if your're dead.

The ability to maintain life is dependent on externals like food production and distribution, shelter, clothing, medical care. And the means to purchase these things.

What about you, Codas? What are the principles that determine your vote. No specious POS about who is good and who is evil, please. I've read your views on that day in and day out for months.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

What about you, Codas? What are the principles that determine your vote.

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 17, 2006 12:51 PM

Good question. I'm sorry to say, but I have never been overwhelmed with enthusiasm for anyone I voted for. It seems to be more of a I'm not voting for that other guy that's for sure thing. Sad. While defence against the terrorists might be number one in your book it is not the reason I lock my door at night. You said "The ability to maintain life is dependent on externals like food production and distribution, shelter, clothing, medical care. And the means to purchase these things." That covers a lot of what I care about. As a matter of fact I would say you hit the nail on the head. The lack of those things causes more problems than terroism in my opinion. How many current office holders or future office holders have ever worried about having any of those things themselves? I know that I don't know too damn much about foreign policy or the tax code or military defence systems. I have worked in social services for the last 16 years in MH/MR, Geriatric, L.T.S.R's, MISA programs, welfare housing, you name it. I would hate to live in a country that would abandon the kind of people I have worked with. I know that these progrms suffer, and I have been laid off recently from one of them because of cuts that always go along with republicans disdain for social programs. Do I want a welfare state? No. But if smaller government means kicking those people to the curb there better be an alternative for these folks. Living in a nice neighborhood with nice people who work hard and earned their way is great, but it can make you blind to the reality of what real fear is. Something terrible happened on 911 I know, but terrible things are happening everyday all around us in OUR country. I want a president who is for America first. Lead by example. Make the world jealous of our good work. Shock and awe? Please no more.

Codas, this overwhelming enthusiasm you ascribe to me is virtually nonexistent with me except for Ronald Reagan. I was and remained very enthusiastic about him. I revere him and always will.

Codas, you have just hoisted yourself on your own petard. You say directly above:

"It seems to be more of a I'm not voting for that other guy thats for sure thing"

You appeared very upset with me on many occasions because I stated that you would never be able to mount an effective argument until you knew what you are FOR not just what you are AGAINST.

Big surprise, I don't lock my door a night for fear of roaming bands of terrorists either. But that is not the same thing as my number one priority overriding everything else. If we have large loss of life OR our national indentity and systems overcome and/or altered beyond recognition, then all the things we both hold dear won't exist.

Our country has been blessed in many, many ways. But as technology changes the ability to strike irregardless of natural barriers like oceans, mountain ranges and terrain the more vunerable we become.

The less insular and smaller a world we live in, the greater our dependence on the free flow of the world's natural resources.

And that is what I mean by DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERROR.

Based on the remainder of your comments, why do you automatically assume that I am a coddled rich b***h cradled in the lap of luxury my entire life? Why do you also automatically assume that I've got mine and don't give a rat's ass about those who can't even provide the basics of life, much less any comfort?

The only reason I am here to debate you is that I received over TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND dollars worth of medical care courtesy of the U. S. taxpayers in one year. Of course, this was only after Chubby Hubby and I had cashed in every penny of assets that we had accumulated over a lifetime. And, I am grateful. The name of the facility giving me life was The University Hospital of Louisiana or some such euphemisem. I call it by its historical and accurate name: Charity Hospital.

Codas, the fact that we disagree on how to achieve a goal DOES NOT mean we disagree on the objective.

I have this strange view on life. We get a lot more of what we encourage and a lot less of what we penalize. Somehow that gets translated into that as a rich (I would settle for above the poverty line) Republican I delight in the suffering of innocents. The highlight of my day is to widowwatch through binocculars as widows and orphans are evicted starving, cold and sick into the snow storm.

Codas, you say you don't know much about the issues facing us or the solutions. To paraphrase, you just want a world where the "poor and wretched" are cared for and comforted. With few exceptions (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Kim Jong Ill sic) who are those WHO desire and basks in the glow of human misery and suffering.

The only difference between our daily activities (mine go back to 1985) and yours is that I have been doing the same things for beloved family members gratis.

Codas, in spite of what you said, I don't believe that you meant you are only concerned with the sufferings of Americans. My hope is that as time marches by the benefits of our system will expand. I know it is a Pollyanna view. But wouldn't it be GLORIOUS if man could achieve it.

I don't want the world to be JEALOUS. I want US to fufill our pontential and let the world be LEAD by our example.

Janet Hawkins
AKA grammie

P.S. Do you repudiate your earlier comments or not? I still want to know what you truly think and believe as opposed to any emotional outbursts incited by the far left icons? Fair is fair. God knows I have been accused ad nauseum of being a clone of others.

Codas, I'm sorry. I wanted to mention two things to you. But then I got wrapped up in my own brilliance and forgot.

First, I absolutely and completely meant that your come back was Churchillian. It still makes me laugh to myself. If I had foreseen what I was letting myself into I promise you I would have kept my mouth shut.

Second, I wish you the best. Losing your job is an awful eperience. Chubby hubby and I have faced this more than once. Somehow we always managed to squeak through. You will come through. Sometimes we squeak through into a better future.

The best to you and yours,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie e

"Big surprise, I don't lock my door a night for fear of roaming bands of terrorists either. But that is not the same thing as my number one priority overriding everything else. If we have large loss of life OR our national indentity and systems overcome and/or altered beyond recognition, then all the things we both hold dear won't exist.

Our country has been blessed in many, many ways. But as technology changes the ability to strike irregardless of natural barriers like oceans, mountain ranges and terrain the more vunerable we become.

The less insular and smaller a world we live in, the greater our dependence on the free flow of the world's natural resources.

And that is what I mean by DEFENSE - STANCE ON TERROR.

Based on the remainder of your comments, why do you automatically assume that I am a coddled rich b***h cradled in the lap of luxury my entire life? Why do you also automatically assume that I've got mine and don't give a rat's ass about those who can't even provide the basics of life, much less any comfort?

I don't want the world to be JEALOUS. I want US to fufill our pontential and let the world be LEAD by our example.

Janet Hawkins
AKA grammie"
-------------------------------------------------------------

Uhhhh.... Looks to me like somebody is smoking pot and trying to write like a thesaurus would read.

Very entertaining.

Second, I wish you the best. Losing your job is an awful eperience. Chubby hubby and I have faced this more than once. Somehow we always managed to squeak through. You will come through. Sometimes we squeak through into a better future.

The best to you and yours,

Janet Hawkins
AKA Grammie e

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 18, 2006 02:40 PM

Thank you. The job I do now gives me sore feet and a sore back. It also makes me want to finish college, which I need to do. You said "The highlight of my day is to widowwatch through binocculars as widows and orphans are evicted starving, cold and sick into the snow storm." Now that's funny. I know not all republicins are filthy stinking rich. Just like Democrats are not communists. I am for a strong military that is used only as a last resort. I don't want us to be the USSR. Islam is something that we are going to have to deal with in better ways than we have been doing so far. Extremists on both sides of that issue will get us all killed if we are not smart. As an example, the leader of Irans letter that he sent Bush a while back asking him to begin a dialouge with him as believers in one God was a great chance for good. You might disagree and his motives can be questioned but what would Reagan, or Kennedy or Rosevelt done with that chance? Like it or not, we have to talk to these people with something besides bullets. Bombing people unites the ones it doesn't kill, and you said yourself that technology is going to even out the risks and are military advantage won't mean as much. I still believe in Roosevelts walk softly but carry a big stick philosophy. I don't want to appease terrorists or disrespect the victims of them. But we may have to take a few smacks in the face so to speak and rise above the temptation to war with these people in the hope that a common goal for Islam and us will lead to a better tommorow. Just like you don't like to be boxed in as rich and uncaring, not all muslims want death to America at the expense of their children lives and future. Call me naive but I think people are people everywhere you go.

Again, for those who thought I was making it up, here is a link to information about the mock ritual human sacrifice before a 45 foot concrete owl named Moloch, an ancient babylonian god, held every year at bohemian grove--retreat for the wealthy elite, including most high ranking Republican political officials. Have a look. But you may not like what you find.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html

Stop cross-posting your Keith Krazies Konspiracy Theories in every single thread on this board.

Stop cross-posting your Keith Krazies Konspiracy Theories in every single thread on this board.

Again, for those who thought I was making it up, here is a link to information about the mock ritual human sacrifice before a 45 foot concrete owl named Moloch, an ancient babylonian god, held every year at bohemian grove--retreat for the wealthy elite, including most high ranking Republican political officials. Have a look. But you may not like what you find.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html

Uhhh you forgot to mention that among the wealthy elite is non other than Jimmy Carter.

The sensationalizing of this event into something more than it is does no service to exposing it for what it actually is. So much of the important info Prison Planet has to offer is washed aside in their grotesque over reaching to the absurd.

The idea of an annual event being held under a pagan banner smacks of being a choice anti-christian action. Nothing bad about that. We can't have it both ways though. Either the republican party is a wash with nut job hillbilly influences trying to turn this nation into a Christian Iran or it is being over run by a secret pagan society. Which is it?

"Again, for those who thought I was making it up, here is a link to information about the mock ritual human sacrifice before a 45 foot concrete owl named Moloch, an ancient babylonian god, held every year at bohemian grove--retreat for the wealthy elite, including most high ranking Republican political officials. Have a look. But you may not like what you find.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html
Posted by: tt at November 19, 2006 04:11 AM"
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Uhhh you forgot to mention that among the wealthy elite is non other than Jimmy Carter.

The sensationalizing of this event into something more than it is does no service to exposing it for what it actually is. So much of the important info Prison Planet has to offer is washed aside in their grotesque over reaching to the absurd.

The idea of an annual event being held under a pagan banner smacks of being a choice anti-christian action. Nothing bad about that. We can't have it both ways though. Either the republican party is a wash with nut job hillbilly influences trying to turn this nation into a Christian Iran or it is being over run by a secret pagan society. Which is it? corrected

Ass:

"Strom Thurmond was a great American...Besides, the DEMS are the ones the re-elected a former KKK member. Good luck Trent!

Posted by: Little Feechie at November 15, 2006 09:24 PM"
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Ass:
"My parents wouldn't let any of us wear tie-dye. And we weren't allowed to have hair longer than 3 inches.

"Hippies" is right. And sadly, they now control Congress.....

Posted by: jdawg at November 15, 2006 08:28 PM"
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ASS:
"Or got a blow job underneath his desk like a certain ex-President we all know, you know, Olby's best friend.

Posted by: Brandon at November 15, 2006 09:46 PM"
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Ass
"He's like a Mr. Potato Head or something. His comic relief from Krazy Keith's comic relief is kind of like the cream in the coffee.

Posted by: Rico at November 15, 2006 10:17 PM"
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Meet ASS kicker:
"As a "woman of a certain age", here's what I know for sure: Keith Olbermann is tall, fashionable, masterful in voice and body language, wealthy, and drop-dead gorgeous. I first heard of him when "People" magazine placed him at the top, handily beating too-pretty Anderson Cooper on their Most Beautiful list (Newsman category). I purr at his screen visage every night, and my husband reaps the rewards. Oh...you say Keith does politics, too?
Posted by: Tina D. Slatton at November 15, 2006 10:30 PM"

Looks like a real woman that knows the difference between a real man and a bunch of pussies.

Nice job!

Olby has a huge, fat ass. And he is an ass. And he was NOT in People's "Sexiest" man issue or their most beautiful issue either no matter what you deluded Loons think. Nor does he deserve to be there. Have you gotten a good look at him? He's got a belly that makes him look like he's about 5 months pregnant. with twins.

"And he was NOT in People's "Sexiest" man issue or their most beautiful issue either no matter what you deluded Loons think."

Okay, so now we have delusional wingnuts posting arguments THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MADE!

Chill, dude. Just chill.

Tina D. Slatton posted "I first heard of him when "People" magazine placed him at the top, handily beating too-pretty Anderson Cooper on their Most Beautiful list (Newsman category). "