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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 8, 2006
    OlbyWatch Survey: How did KO do as Election Night co-host?

    How did KO do as Election Night co-host?

    A. Great, our Edward R. Murrow
    B. OK, no harm, no foul
    C. Terrible, a fish out of water
    D. No idea, did not watch MSNBC

    Previous Question: Who should anchor MSNBC's election coverage?

    The correct answer is Just Matthews.

    905 answers have been submitted.

    A. Matthews and Olbermann 36% (327 votes)
    B. Just Matthews 21% (191 votes)
    C. Just Olbermann 23% (213 votes)
    D. None of the Above 19% (174 votes)


    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (138) | | View blog reactions

    138 Comments

    He was far more subdues than we would expect... although he was overly giddy at times. I caught Matthews shrugging off KOs aggressive use of over-the-top adjectives like 'bloodbath' on several occassions early in the night.

    He was terrible in my view. Seemed lost in Olby-world while Mathews looked at him in puzzlement half the time. Chris clearly knows politicians and the political landscape infinitely better than Olbermann. He's also great with back-and-forth, casual discussion with his guests or interviewees where as Olbermann can never deviate from his pathetic script. Obly was stiff, stupid and just plain buffoonish. Thankfully he made a quiet exit around 3am or so and left Mathews to take the helm.

    Kooky-Keith gets and F in my book.

    He was terrible in my view. Seemed lost in Olby-world while Mathews looked at him in puzzlement half the time. Chris clearly knows politicians and the political landscape infinitely better than Olbermann. He's also great with back-and-forth, casual discussion with his guests or interviewees where as Olbermann can never deviate from his pathetic script. Obly was stiff, stupid and just plain buffoonish. Thankfully he made a quiet exit around 3am or so and left Mathews to take the helm.

    Kooky-Keith gets and F in my book.

    Keith did a fine job. Matthews obviously is a lot more experienced at the election night think. But Keith should feel damn good about playing his part in waking up some of the living dead in this country. Keith gets an A in my book.

    Keith credibility went out the window about four minutes in, when he referred to Allen as "George 'Mecaca' Allen". I'm sure MSNBC wanted to at least give the appearence of being balanced, but Olbermann turned this "newscast" into Wayne's World.

    From there, any Republican guests were interviewed by Matthews, which made the set awkward. Olbermann will be back to tonight, scripts on the prompter, but will not be able to explain what Democrats will do with their newfound power, only because the Dems have no idea what they want to do as well. OK, you hate Bush, and that got you elected. Let's see if there are any ideas to back up the election numbers, which I doubt highly.

    >>>>>But Keith should feel damn good about playing his part in waking up some of the living dead in this country. Keith gets an A in my book.


    *** Keith didn't wake anybody up. He only panders to the far-left freaks of DailyKos and other blogs. He's basically a cable-version of a left-wing blog, telling his flock of nuts what they want to hear. Notice none of his colleagues take him seriously? Plus, how come he's always so subdued and halfway normal when around other journalists? Is he embarrassed at how he acts on his stupid program? What a fraud.

    I guarantee MSNBC keeps him confined to "Countdown" from now on.

    It's a scary sight to see Keith trying to think on his feet.

    I flipped through all the coverages. I think CNN's coverage was the best, though a bit hectic. At one point, Greenfield didn't know where to stand in front of that huge board.

    Fox's coverage was thorough, but very talk oriented...too dry. It was like an extended version of Hume's show.

    MSNBC: Matthews had some good moments, from what I saw. His interview of Dean was sharp, but I think he would do better as a number 2. I think they needed someone more polished as the number 1.
    I guess I'm not the most objective commentator, but Olbermann simply didn't belong in that role. They could have brought in him for commentary, I suppose and it may have worked out better. He was a mess.

    OK, you hate Bush, and that got you elected.

    Posted by: RedState at November 8, 2006 09:10 AM

    I hate to tell you, but it was republicans themselves and independents that got the democrats elected for the most part. Most people just got tired of the smirking, smug, self righteous, your with me or your with the terrorist attitude. That is not what a true leader does. He is supposed to represent the WHOLE country, not just his evangelical and big business base. Bush was very lucky to get reelected. It was fear and Kerry that did it. Not his leadership. It sucks.

    Robert:

    Why did you turn the color to gray, it is not that gray, cheer up. We are all looking forward to the 2008 election. Our President is forever a Republican. Olby is laughing at us turning to gray.

    Codas-codas-codas. Don't rewrite history. The republicans handed the Dems this election. Scandals cleared out several seats before Tuesday, and the war was an anchor around every Rep candidate running. You get two years to prove your party is more than a bunch of pundits without ideas. You better hope you run with the ball, because if nothing happens, 08 will reverse this years outcome quickly.

    how about black?

    Codas-codas-codas. Don't rewrite history.

    Posted by: benson at November 8, 2006 09:32 AM

    Don't make it sound as if Republicans just said here, you take it. They lost because the average joe out there saw how corrupt they became when they got power. History will write itself. The truth was what I always thought it would be. Republicans are great at winning elections and getting people fired up about moral issues. When it came time to get behind the wheel and drive this country they drove it into a ditch. Blinded by their own power. Good bye. And what a joy it will be when Bush is gone.

    By the way Codas. The "with us or with the terrorists" was a line from a 2003 speech directed at other countries when we drew the line in the sand. Bush said, "either help us find these terrorists, or we can assume you are for harboring terrorists... i.e. Iran, Syria, Pakistan" Since then KO and other bloggers have warped that statement, extending it to mean, "Bush says if americans are against his fight on terrorism, they are for the terrorists" But just like Olbermann, if you say a lie long enough, maybe people will start to believe it.

    benson,

    You act as if the Democrats have no ideas. You ARE aware that the Republicans almost never let any of their bills out of committee?...

    Bush leaves on his own in 8 years as all the great presidents do. And then another Republican will step in as Hillary doesn't have a shot in 08. Who you gonna run in 2016? Because you know the Republican will be re-elected in 2012. Truth hurts doesn't it?

    Bush leaves on his own in 8 years as all the great presidents do. And then another Republican will step in as Hillary doesn't have a shot in 08. Who you gonna run in 2016? Because you know the Republican will be re-elected in 2012. Truth hurts doesn't it?

    Posted by: benson at November 8, 2006 09:45 AM

    Sour grapes.

    blindrat- like social security and imigration? both republican bills wer far stronger than anything the dems offered. But they were diluted by the democrats that pander to the AARP and illegal immigrants. So nothing was offered. At least we filled the supreme court with some strong justices. (Got a meeting so I'll check back later on your responses)

    Sour grapes. maybe... but you knwo the truth hurts. Bring on Hillary. You always bitch slap your own nominees when they don't win, like Kerry ten minutes ago. But you'll waste another election if you put her up, and you will. She didn't waste 30 Million in New York for nothing. Its a warmup for 08.

    As far as Keith was concerned, I thought he did okay. It was awkward that he didn't interview Republicans at all. Mehlman was on several times and Chris had to carry all the water. Keith did chip in on interviewing the Dems, though. Also, Keith was way off on his math I thought when they were doing the house projections. Did he 'double' the margin of error there? He did it over and over again, saying, "The Democrats are projected to have a 30 seat margin in the house, with a 10 point margin of error. That means they could have as many as 50, or as little as 20." Huh??

    As far as my feelings on the election, I wish the Democrats well. The Republicans were mired in scandal (Foley, Abramoff, etc.) and were challenged to defend an unpopular war. That proved to be too tall an order. So the Democrats have two years to make something happen. The good news for me, being a Republican, is that I don't think the Democrats will over-reach. They also will quickly realize that they will be held to the same scrutiny that the Republicans were by the American people. Prediction: look for Bush's numbers to go up considerably in the next 6 months.

    Sour grapes. maybe... but you knwo the truth hurts. Bring on Hillary. You always bitch slap your own nominees when they don't win, like Kerry ten minutes ago. But you'll waste another election if you put her up, and you will. She didn't waste 30 Million in New York for nothing. Its a warmup for 08.

    Posted by: benson at November 8, 2006 09:53 AM

    I dont want Hillary, I want Gore and Clark.

    Codas is partially right.

    R's elected the democrats to the majority. However, there is a reason for this. R's tend to be finicky about there representatives. How many times during the last year have any of you heard R's saying that the people they elected just weren't doing what they want (more govt spending, not tackling illegal immigration, et al), so I will not vote or I will vote for the D to send our guys a message.

    Now we will see if the D's really want to reach out across the aisle (they really haven't appeared to be trying) as Pelosi says. Or if they continue to believe that compromise means do what they want.

    Good Luck D's...you have 2 years to prove that the majority of voters this cycle were correct...then its all up in the air again (especially since so many races were so close).


    Just a quick question I heard discussed in my office:
    Do you think its better for a 2008 D prez candidate that D's are in power in congress, or would it have been better to be a slight minority?

    I suspect what was more a ratings experiment is now over. First, no way Matthews wasn't stewing over sharing the desk. I'm sure he'd prefer his number 2 at another part of the set. Second, he was clearly uncomfortable with it being Olbermann, going so far around 9 to take a shot at him by saying he's seen the special commentaries and knew where Olbermann stood but was wondering what it meant to regular Americans. When your collegues call you out for one side or the other you are toast. I suspect Matthews played a little office politics there to firm up the image that he was a true reporter and his co-host was more a color guy.

    I also wonder how the discussions went to ensure Matthews got the interviews. My guess isn't that MSNBC wanted him to do all or just republicans. What the brass probably feared was Olbermann asking a republican a question and getting a quote from one of his editorials thrown back at him. It would have been a great moment when the business side of MSNBC clashed with the game of sharp edged politics. I'd wager if Ken Mehlman got one shot in on Olbermann he'd been pulled at the next break. Abrams can't afford to have his operation trivialized with its impending reconfig into NBC news' shop.

    Matthews really pushed the line in his Olbermann comment diss by remarking on all the sirs and ma'am's. It had nothing to do with the election or your personal politics, between the lines Matthews told fellow on-air talent that he thought his trade craft was hackish on live tv.

    Don't think for one moment the hallways weren't buzzing about that. More than likely Matthews ego was talking to the brass about the arrangement, the pecking order and his future.

    Olbermann is obviously looking for a niche but its probably not there. Case in point. Brian Williams when asked for his prediction for the night stated, "as you know I don't give opinions." Say what you will about Williams he knows how to protect and promote the brand. Olbermann would need some sort of miracle re-positioning from the suits to be presented as a member of the NBC news team. Now that the balance of power has shifted he's screwed. If he starts railing against Democrats - then he's a professional editorial talking head, possibly the next Andy Rooney. If he gives up the I hate Bush thing, then he's a hack with a axe to grind who did his job. His Clinton/Lewinsky years, no matter how far he tries distance them, still haunt him. Either way he's not a journalist and not a politic insider. What does NBC news need him for?

    My opinion is this. For Olbermann to regain journalistic footing he'll need to go overseas. Some combat experience or a serious investigative work. Most likely something big and international since any US bashing piece is just going to get him pigeonholed.

    Since he physically is unable to perform in such a role I doubt he has much of a future with GE. Plus I don't think he's interested in reporting or giving up the jock sniffing gig.

    All in all a failing grade but its like a bad actor in a poorly written play. MSNBC tried to have to it all last night, serious reporting, a straight man and a color guy to accent the sports like atmosphere of the political game, and desperate attempts to association with the three big swinging dicks at NBC Brokaw, Williams and Russert.

    It will be interesting to see what changes Matthews wants now that he engaged in this little experiment. More than likely we'll see an interview in coming months where he slips in a couple of digs at Olbermann. Matthews desperately wants to be the fourth head on that NBC Rushmore but he can't do it as part of a Lewis/Martin act.

    benson,

    Bush, by his own admission, never had a plan to save social security...only a plan to loot it...

    The Republican plan for immigration was to do nothing about it for six years until people started to complain...

    Pretty weak...

    benson,

    Bush, by his own admission, never had a plan to save social security...only a plan to loot it...

    The Republican plan for immigration was to do nothing about it for six years until people started to complain...

    Pretty weak...

    MSNBC at leat I think is more entertaining and easier to watch. The had the facts right and they have people who actually have a sense of humor like scarborough and buchanan. Olbermann is what he is, and I thank him for standing up to a corrupt bunch. The country obviously agreed with Olbermann. Didn't they.

    Connor,

    A (D) Presidential candidate would probably have been better served with a slight minority. Here's the reason (in my opinion): For the past few years, Democrats have been able to criticize every move the Republicans have made because of their minority status. That was their privilege. Now they must set an agenda in the house. That's going to be tough to do. Remember that many of the Democrats that were elected to the house last night were 'blue dogs' (meaning that they adopted some Republican views like opposing gay marriage, opposing late term abortions, etc.). Pelosi will have to navigate some pretty choppy waters to form any consensus on social issues. What that does is create debate within the Democratic party, making it potentially fractious. They can no longer sit back and criticize, they must act. A Democratic party that is divided by the idealistic netroots on one hand and the electable blue dogs on the other will be hard to unite.

    My $0.02

    Codas? How could they agree with him. Check his ratings, they don't know who he is?

    Hmmm. That is thoughtful analysis "9:59 AM" and rings true to me. Only sorry you did not ID yourself.

    I think my favorite moment was when Chris was talking about Arnold and telling that story he has told about 100 times - the kid breaking through the crowd to touch Arnold's Bush during the recall election. Chris said it was "sacramental". Keith then tried a little wordplay about "sacramental" and "sacramento" and said something like "for those who like puns". Chris got off a great line that was like cold water in KO's face - something like "thank God a decreasing number of Americans like puns". If anyone has the exact exchange please post it. The look on KO's face as he realized he was being put down was priceless. To his credit KO giggled, I trust because he realized how stupid he sounded.

    What little I saw last night of Olbermann he was like a fish out of water. I saw him frantically flipping through his scripts and his Go Dems rants were drawing blank stares and looks of utter disgust from Chris Matthews. They did not look happy together in the least. Nor was Olbermann allowed to interview any of the political pundits from what I saw. I really saw no point in having him there at all except as a lure to get the Keith Krazies to watch.

    Re the Republican loses: yes, the Dems have 2 years to come up with a plan to improve this country. And if they can't do it within 2 years or if they try to veer towards too radical of an agenda, they are fucked in the '08 presidential campaign. The pressure is on and from what I've seen of both Olby and the Dems, they don't do well when the pressure is on. Ball's in your court people, don't take your eye off of it or you're OUT in '08.

    It will be interesting to see if Olby makes some post-election adjustments. He has a strong following of KO-Kooks. Will he ride the wave?

    Thanks, Robert.

    I don't like to talk national politics, I find they involve too many generalizations and assumptions of too large a group of individuals.

    But I love office politics and the egos of the on-air talent.

    Any chance of a thread without all the petty, mind numbingly childish Red/Blue talk and just some GE inside baseball? I thought this site was supposed to be about Keith Olbermann and his show but it seems to have been corrupted by a collection of partisians.

    Better yet, how about a strictly political name calling thread and the rest can be left to those who love the tv industry?

    KO did well enough in the process of adjusting to a format and subject matter that he was clearly inexperienced in, compared to Chris. He adjusted well enough after an hour or two, and it seemed to me that they began to actually enjoy each other's company after the initial breaking in period. If anyone seemed angry to be in the background, it was Joe Scarborough. Joe might have felt he should have co-anchored because he understands politics better than keith.

    KO did well enough in the process of adjusting to a format and subject matter that he was clearly inexperienced in, compared to Chris. He adjusted well enough after an hour or two, and it seemed to me that they began to actually enjoy each other's company after the initial breaking in period. If anyone seemed angry to be in the background, it was Joe Scarborough. Joe might have felt he should have co-anchored because he understands politics better than keith.

    Like Hilary, and Pelosi, KO moved towards left of center last night, versus his normal spot at the left-hand of Michael Moore.

    Matthews and Scarborough would have made a more logical, and more balanced team. One problem that hadn't occured to me earlier but became obvious last night was the extremely awkward situation of having Olby interview guests. When John McCain, for example, came on, Olby didn't get to ask him any questions. And that was no accident, since just a few days earlier he bellowed on national television that McCain was a liar. I'm surprised McCain even agreed to be interviewed, but it was probably with the understanding that he would not have to exchange pleasantries with the Karachter Assassin.

    "I'm surprised McCain even agreed to be interviewed, but it was probably with the understanding that he would not have to exchange pleasantries with the Karachter Assassin." -J$

    I disagree with you, $. McCain has shown he's a phony ever since he lost the 2000 primary. He'd speak to Keith if it would give him a little face time. He's more transparent than Hillary.

    My Olbermann grade for Election Night: C+

    I don't know Mike.

    Scarborough doesn't get nearly the marketing and promotion dollars that Matthews does. Joe's act has always been that fiesty outsider who with a wink subtly reminds you he was a congressman. While they all think they need top billing I doubt Joe seriously expected to get the number 2 slot with Matthews.

    Plus from his position, he can't afford to share with Matthews. With Joe it would need to be all or nothing else he risks admitting that he needs Matthews wattage to host the prime time event. That would equate to admitting defeat. If you can't do it on your own you aren't in the big leagues. That's why the ABC Woodruff/Vargas thing was such and industry shocker. They were trying to rewrite the book. Of course, things fell apart with Bob's horrible injury (take note KO - an anchor still in the field & how crucial that experience is nowadays) and they did what - Gibson by himself.

    And if you think Matthews was relaxed, I'd hate to see him really stewing. I think what the industry saw was a guy who became more comfortable only after asserting his role and credentials and dismissing his 2nd.

    Boy I'll bet Matthews gave his rep's hell about this.

    MSNBC has been running promos this morning that says that when Olbermann talks, people listen and touting his special comments. Does this mean that every show now will have a special comment? I thought he said those were organic and he couldn't produce them on cue???

    Two (2) words that cause Republicans to break out in a cold sweat: Barack Obama.

    Three words why he'll never get the nomination:

    Barack Hussein Obama.

    That middle name makes people cringe.

    Olbermann did fine last night. I think he got got off to a rocky start but became more comfortable as the evening went on. Matthews was obviously the lead guy there and he should be. He is the best on TV when it comes to political coverage. He absolutely loves politics and the people behind politics while Olbermann seems to have much more didain for politics and politicians. I thought that made for a good grouping. I would have liked to see Joe Scarborough at the desk with both of them. At the end of their time together, Matthews paid a large compliment to Olbermann on his special comments. The people have spoken and whether or not the folks on this site will agree, they have sided with Olbermann and not with you.

    Interesting comments above about Matthews and Olbermann. Olbermann clearly has gone waay over the line and was quoted stating his colleagues approved of it. Having him on with Brokaw, Russert, Williams and Matthews indicates (1) Abrams, Russert, Brokaw, and Co think he is credible and endorsed his efforts to run the Dem campaign from the NBC News desk (2) there's going to be some turmoil NBC News. Olbermann has taken the NBC News network into unchartered territory. Blatanlty showing an ugly bias.

    The people have spoken and whether or not the folks on this site will agree, they have sided with Olbermann and not with you.


    Posted by: Dupree at November 8, 2006 11:37 AM

    Uh hu!

    "MSNBC has been running promos this morning that says that when Olbermann talks, people listen and touting his special comments"

    That's interesting - NBC news endorsing this bias. If I was the Repubs, I'd certainly fight to toss Colmes and let Hannity provide the RNC talking points every night. Difference between Hannity and Olbermann is that Hannity is truthful about his bias.

    Thanks Robert, now it is black. It is just like the weather here down south since yesterday, dark and drizzling, humid and warm.

    Effective today, we are going to hear more from Olby, special comment every day, at least for the next two years. Now, he is the King of MSNBC.

    It was disturbing to see a Krazy Keith profile and those hairy knuckles. He should hit the gym

    The End of Olbermannwatch! He was SELECTED to host. Not OReilly, Not Carlson, Not Scarborough.

    He did a fabulous job and so I would expect that you will close down this site. We have drained the swamp. And I want to thank America, the real America including All of the Bush followers who helped us win the house and the senate.

    Happy Days are here again by Barbra Streisand is available for download free at Amazon.com

    Thank you for your humor this last few weeks, I suggest you find someone else to hate.

    It is one great day! for Democrats and only the beginning. Why not get on our side as the Subpoena's will begin soon. We are looking for all the reasons and all the people we can subpoena and we want to continue to support and protect the troops and bring them home safely.

    May all Republicans need Stem Cells for their health and if they do, may they have to go Pakistan to get help. Kudos to Michael J Fox,
    Alec Baldwin, Barbra, George Clooney and the Dixie Chicks. We have returned and we will find out the answers that you want to hear. Any questions...?

    Couldn't help stopping by to see how the weirdest non-porn site on the internet was digesting last night's goings-on. By switching to MSNBC on COMEDY's comercials, I was finally able to see live footage of your little obsession. He was clearly not fit to that role. You guys should be howling and celebrating his obvious failure in front of what must have been a much larger audience than usual. It was a great victory for your side, no? But you are curiously silent.

    Hmmm. I wonder.

    Could it be that what this site is really about is (gasp) early 2000's partisan Republican politics?!!?! That you are depressed about the end of unified one-party rule? Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

    The Bush (un)conservatives have been whistling past the graveyard for a good long time. Hear no evil, see no evil; Iraq will break out into utopia any minute now; Gotta have faith; Gotta have vision; It's mostly just liberal media coverage that is the problem (cf. this site). Hundreds of tortured corpses and a few dead soldiers showing up week after week after week is just a little historical "comma" on the way to the democratic rapture that we just sit and wait to instantiate.

    This is the product of unrealistic zealotry. That is what this vote was about.

    Cox, you should face up. Your party is not what you want it to be. It has been hijacked by radicals and cynical electioneers, and the kind of skeptical and intelligent folks that should act as guardians of conservatism, like yourself, are baited into becoming cheerleaders and wasting their time on meaningless partisanship (cf. this site.)

    The Republican party made a deal with the devil in courting religious fundamentalists, and now the moral and practical bankruptcy of that unnatural marriage has hit home. Rove's party took a mixture of patriotism and cultural xenophobia, turned it into one party rule, and wrote itself a ticket to corruption, unilateralism, simplistic thinking, and a massive growth in government. They took the legitimate need to confront Islamic terrorism intelligently, and ginned it up into a futile war and occupation that increases the problems it was prescribed to solve. And then they deny, deny, and deny. To the congress, the media, and themselves.

    The question is not whether they screwed up, but how much of it is even fixable. The corruption can be fixed. The drug bill and energy bill can be fixed. Can Iraq? It is pretty hard to see how. Best case scenarios have us suffering blowback from this one for decades. How long will it take to get back our moral leadership, after our forray into the darkness of torture? Are we still "the city on a hill" for dissidents in Iran, China, and North Korea; for moderates in Iraq and Afghanistan? Can we "win" the new war from any other position?

    We keep learning this lesson. America NEEDS divided government. It is the life blood of the nation that was founded on distrust of authority and the natural abuses of power and of human certainty. That healthy distrust is our message to the world. The founders geared almost every decision they made in crafting our government towards keeping it as divided as possible. This protects against majority faction, makes us more deliberative, more circumspect, and is a natural brake on the kind of fantasy and zealotry that is the basic underpining of man-made disaster.

    A unified Democratic governance would be as big a failure as the fundamentalist experiment we have been suffering the last several years. But in context, last night's vote was a victory for the United States and the founding principal of divided government. It is now almost perfectly divided. And that means consensus, deliberation, and moderation. Congratulations to anyone, especially the independents, who voted to fix government by balancing it.

    But this is "Olbermannwatch," so feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled program.

    Face the fact, we all know this is going to happen, the Dems are going to win. People do listen to Keith's comment, even they did not watch him on MSNBC, they can get it on the web. Is there someone as good as him on the right side, as a writer, as a commentator?

    The simple fact is there is no good news on the right side except the economy. We have two years for people to see when the Dems are in power what they are going to get.

    It was tough to win with the MSM and every other television outlet campaigning for the Demo-flip-floppers!
    Sure highlight and republican corruption and BURY the Demo-crap corruption! The deck was stacked against the GOP!

    CC

    As directing goes Olbermann wasn't "on" with the big 3. The feed came and left with Matthews and not Olbermann. That is an important distinction when you consider your local newscaster occasionally catches a 7 second live feed segue with Williams.

    Also, dollars for donuts Matthews positioned for the face time as part of his agreement. KO never directly spoke to Brokaw, Williams or Russert.

    MSNBC is not the face of NBC News. If you don't believe it call PR in NY and they'll tell who exactly who and what NBC is. KO can claim all he wants, but until Williams say, Keith Olbermann tonight from Baghdad, he is not NBC News.

    Matthews clearly hosted last night but was awkwardly physically positioned next to one of his supporting cast.

    And don't think for one second Williams or Abrams chart where NBC News is going. Williams is not an institution like Brokaw he doesn't call all his own shots - yet. And Abrams could get a call from upstate New York at any moment saying thanks for the effort but we are assessing matters with an eye on a change. Hint, hint, choose to pursue other opportunities.

    As for the suggestion of a three top? I think Matthews would have stroked out right then and there.

    Actually, it would have probably changed the dynamic from election central to two competing opinions reviewing the results with Matthews moderating. Obviously MSNBC had a different vibe in mind for last night. The coverage guy with the color guy, the telestrator - they had a sports motif in play.

    It was a good concept. An appeal to the American viewers appeal for sports and gameshows. Plus the results make it easy for the viewer to get the game without burdening them with rules. It takes the election into entertainment which might help with ratings. But talking heads love the nuainces of politics and that turns off entertainment viewers. Plus there is no physical action (despite the multi layers interactive graphics of blue and red) and no skin.

    If both Montana and Virginia are going to the Dems, I sincerely hope not, I like George Allen, then Joe Liberman is ........

    I wish Chris Matthews is a Republican, why do I have that idea?

    Apparently Mickey Kaus over at Kausfiles was thinking the same thing last night...

    Just Asking 2: How annoyed must Chris Matthews be at having to share his anchor desk with Keith Olbermann? 8:02 P.M.

    Rumsfeld to resign in 5 minutes 1pm monday

    Actually you are wrong. Olbermann DID speak to Russart, Williams, AND Brokaw!

    Now that the Repubs have made Pelosi the bogeyman, she had better actually turn out to BE the bogeyman, or it will cost them again in 2008.

    looks like there is an AP report that rumsfield is stepping down.

    looks like there is an AP report that rumsfield is stepping down.

    Na na na na hey hey hey good bye....Republicans and Now Rumsfeld and Burns is declared loser in Montana.

    I do not agree at all. Olbermann was definately on with the "big three" and they have a lot of splainin to do. Though Matthews asked the questions Olbermannn chirped in as well.

    NBC News is NBC News - doesn't matter at all that there's an MS before it. Olbermnann has used Gregory, Mitchell and others. They let him rant, he ruined the brand - solely for ratings. And his prior work experience clearly shows he will compromise any intrgity for ratings succcess - (see LA weight loss, feuds with rivals, etc.)

    The first question I would ask Brokaw - if I passed him on the street - is "how could you have put yourself in a position where you were associated with, on the air with - this person who has so openly violated the ethics you claim you hold so dearly.

    Never, never, never should Russert, Brokaw or Williams be shown with Olbermann. It's left to the imagination whether they were helping him write his special Repub bashing commnetaries - or not

    Mike,

    I asked someone for the the direct feed schedule but I haven't seen it yet.

    My bad if I missed it - what time? Did KO take the first camera shot at the start of the segment and do the lead in?

    Special Comment prediction that OlberClown will spew tonight...

    He makes the following request: "Mister Bush, like Mr. Rumsfeld, you should do the country a favor and step down as well for the lies you've told and the deaths you've caused."

    It's almost automatic.

    With the election over I'd bet that KO's ratings will plummet.His extreme partisanship will limit his appeal when there are fewer Republicans for him to bash.Don't count on him going after the Democrats

    Rummy was the sacrifcial lamb- what ya gonna bitch about now? Its your game now.... now I get to watch you fumble. Have at it bitches!

    "Special Comment prediction that OlberClown will spew tonight...

    He makes the following request: 'Mister Bush, like Mr. Rumsfeld, you should do the country a favor and step down as well for the lies you've told and the deaths you've caused.'"


    Maybe you should sit this one out nostradamus. Your picks were pretty much wrong all last night.

    Cheney may be next....

    Yeah, why didn't Rumsfeld go earlier, we may win. Oh boy, now one more to go, we may all point fingers to Joe Libermann.

    I didn't make one prediction last night, JT (Jubilant Tool).

    I didn't make one prediction last night


    A wise policy on your part.

    OT:

    Uh Oh! The FCC just ruled that profanity is a-OK on news shows. Who wants to bet Olby capitalizes on this new rule in his next "Special Comment"?

    And now time for some, "reality-based news for the belligerently uninformed"

    Let's see, Hannity and Limbaugh, they are now proven to be ideologically out of touch, the election landside demonstrates that. Mr. Keith Olbermann is right on the mark. He is there anchoring in the election results on the winning side. How appropriate that a champion of a free press should be right there bringing in the results of his efforts to bring reality based news and commentary to our republic. Fox News and the rest of rightwing media whores like Rush Limbaugh did all that they could to dilute the voices of truth, but one man, a true American hero, was able to take them all on and kick their coward asses. Thank you Mr Olbermann!

    I would like to once more take this opportunity to thank the creators of this page for all the free publicity they have given Keith and thus given to his important commentaries that directly contributed to the landslide victory for our democracy. I hope you keep this page up and running and I hope all the uneducated simpletons that puff sophomoric quips at Keith remain here also as excellent examples of why the Republicans lost last night. You do your job well and for that I am truly grateful!

    Thank You very much!

    Thought he got better as the night went on. Whether you like him or not, the upset of the night was KO serving as the voice of calm after the incredibly uncomfortable extended berating of Matthews by Scarborough. I felt weird just watching it (even though I agreed with Joe's point that he blasts the GOP more than Dems).

    Olbermann defused the situation deftly by saying "Now back to our regularly scheduled election."

    CC,

    I have to respectfully disagree.

    NBC News, different than NBC, is a much different animal than MSNBC. Brian Williams, the producers, directors, management and staff are number 1 in evening ratings because of a winning formula. MSNBC is a promotional vehicle more than a news gathering operation. Then branding is different, the marketing is different and the workplace philosophy is different.

    To quote Williams:

    Williams respects Couric, and said he checks out the competition with help of a digital video recorder. He's not a fan of CBS' new "Free Speech" opinion segment.

    "My opinion on opinion is I'd have to kill a news story in that slot," he said. "We're airing one extra news story in that slot, and that's the way I like it."

    Talent at the national level is extremely careful of the waters they tread in, especially someone as sharp and ambitious as Williams.

    The business side also establishes its own financial pecking order. If Williams says he doesn't want to speak to KO that's that. People are amazed at what ego can do but when the news business is chasing the really big bucks giving talent a wide berth and others some special instructions is no biggie.

    Chris Matthews has some mojo around MSNBC, more so than KO. That's why he was the lead and end to the NBC News segments. But for NBC News, these hookups are just a distraction. Its also why Matthews preened so much last night. Once the move to the main operation his slice gets much smaller. He is fighting tooth and nail to be a true player with NBC News and if it means giving KO or anyone else the shiv on live tv - believe it he will.

    Personally, I think he's not so sliently exhaling during KO's bits was a tad over the top. It was great television for those of us watching the true contest last night, but I think some viewers may have not understood what it all was about.

    NBC has an investment in MSNBC, granting the failing operation and few moments with the First Team is no big deal and if you watch carefully you'll see what I am talking about.

    Again, what they say about the issues is not nearly as important to insiders as how they do it.

    Jeez,, why has the skin of this website changed to black,,, hell I just changed my answering machine where it plays the song " Happy Days are here again " What a wonderful day... I canot wait til the next special comment by KO... ironic, isn't it since Macaca Allen's comments delivered the knockout punch to the GOP. As an athiest I have to say thank god for youtube and the racism that always rears it's head in the most inappropriate time.

    I woke up to "it's a beautiful morning." been playing "Good Day sunshine." and "Tangled up in blue." as well.

    Note to Erie Bob who wrote "Cox, you should face up. Your party is not what you want it to be.."

    I don't have a party. I left the Democratic Party in 1994 and am registered as an Independent.

    Note to O'lielly who wrote " why has the skin of this website changed to black"

    Don't you think it is appropriate?

    Note to bsinrod "The End of Olbermannwatch!...I suggest you find someone else to hate.

    Olbermann Watch doesn't "hate" Keith. We just report the truth and it seems like "hate". As far as this being the end? Hahaha. Assuming that a dem victory means KO's contract is renewed, we are going to be around for a good long while.


    Bob- just curious, how many unique visits does Olby Watch average a day?

    bsinrod-
    "The End of Olbermannwatch" ?????

    Why? Does this mean KO will be balanced (show-wise and psychologically) now? Will he present his facts or actual facts? Will he continue advancing blue blog talking points only? Will K-Fed be the WPITW?


    Discussion question:
    Do you think its better for a 2008 D prez candidate that D's are in power in congress, or would it have been better to be a slight minority?

    To all righty tighty wingy nuts.....

    Hopefully most of you realize the attempt to brainwash you by Mr. Cox. You've been misinformed day after day and hopefully, you want to be a part of this beautiful democracy that was on display for all of us to see yesterday. What you've been hearing from the right over the past six years has been wrong. Yet Mr. Cox chooses to go after KO. Why I ask? Why after the proven misgivings by Hannity, Limbaugh, O' Reilly, Drudge, Beck, Coulter, and all others we know of does he still go after KO. Why use all of your resources to try and slam someone who by most accounts is right on. Ko's sepcial comments are provocative, thought provoking, and meant to help open the eyes of the American people. While Ko does this Mr. Cox try to defuse him, call him a liar and other accusations. Why is he trying to brainwash you? It's not your fault, especially if you use this site as your only means to keep informed. The American people stood up last night, the stood up to people like Mr. Cox. They stood up to the lies, the immoral beliefs. The idealogy that has almost brought this country into ruin. We stood up!!!!!......and now it's up to Mr. COx to step down and admit his lies, his hate, his poor conduct. If you don't believe me thats fine, stay with this site and let it STAY IT'S COURSE..........but while you ponder this paragraph...ask yourself this......why after it has been proven the Hannitys, Coulters, Limbaughs, O'Reilly's and others mislead misinform, why does Mr. Cox continue to go after KO........if he believes in the service he offering all of you, shouldn't he do you the service and inform you of all the misinformers.....or maybe it's even much simplier......KO is right about mostly everything and Mr. Cox is just scared and making you all of his victims....vistims of fear....fear of the truth.

    Bushy? Nobody lies more than Olbermann and you. And every day this column exposes KO, but you choose to look the other way. Go back into your conspiracy compound and preach. The boogey man is coming... OOooooooh.

    Why use all of your resources to try and slam someone who by most accounts is right on.
    Posted by: BUSHYWUSHY at November 8, 2006 03:51 PM

    hahahahahahahhaahahahahahahhahahahahaha
    right on
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

    please see:
    Posted by: Connor at November 8, 2006 03:51 PM

    As much as it pains me to say this, Olby wasn't as bad as I feared. he had his moments, but he wasn't the jackass I expected. Matthews and Scarborough, OTOH, were indeed fools.

    I just read BUSHWUSHY's last comment... imagining it was Olberjerk delivering another 'special comment'... including the Mister refererences and the turning to camera 3 before saying "vistims of fear"... LOL, I needed a good laugh.

    Love how you lefties are all over-reaching after Tuesday. According to you- after one election the whole country has gone crazy left wing. If that were true, Olbermann would beat OReilley tonight. Aint gonna happen. Over reach!

    I just read BUSHWUSHY's last comment... imagining it was Olberjerk delivering another 'special comment'... including the Mister refererences and the turning to camera 3 before saying "vistims of fear"... LOL, I needed a good laugh.

    "Hopefully most of you realize the attempt to brainwash you by Mr. Cox. You've been misinformed day after day and hopefully, you want to be a part of this beautiful democracy that was on display for all of us to see yesterday."

    Thought diebold and rove had made fair elections impossible. This election kind of throws that whole election rigging out the window.

    Benson- what are these lies you speak of ......prove it......c'mon bring it on....show me your facts.

    JohnE- O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc- that's a good laugh.......

    Face it- you're all victims...you've been brainwashed.......I'm sorry.


    Democracy stood up last night.....I wonder what Billo will talk about in the no spin zone tonight...that should be a good laugh.

    Honestly, I've watched KO religously for the past year and found him to be quite factual........but I can understand if you guys drink from the BillO cool aide you would think he is always lying......but that's also called brainwashed.

    Most of you are smarter than this.

    Democracy stood up? I'm sure you're right... can wait to see KO's coverage of Ned Lamont being sworn in a the next Senator from Connecticut.

    SUre Lamont lost JohnE...............but we have the majority in the House and Senate.....which would mean democracy stood up............and kicked the bumbs out...quit spinning.

    Connor- I believe the Dems will benefit most from the Guber pickups. Parties are best grown from within each state. In the long run this will strengthen the Democratic Party more so than the House/Senate pickups.

    Truthfully, I think our govt. works best when at least one of the branches of Congress differs from the President. Looking at recent history- Clinton got little done between 1992-94 and not much good has been done over the last 6 years. One thing Olby has brought up he is correct on- Congress must act as a check and balance of the President's power and not push through every thing that comes to his mind.

    Good point Bushwushy... KO factual... how could I not have seen it before!

    BUSHYBROW- Come tomorrow after we review his bullshit tonight- KO can't tell the straight truth. He spent a whole week talking about how the new wire tapping legislation was a violation of Habeas Corpus, but he couldn't find ONE pundit to agree with him. But he kept banging that drum for a whole week. Now you mush heads to take it as fact. Remember? benson - 1, dumbywushy and KO 0.

    KP was actually right on about Habeus Corpus...if you know a thing or two about goverment you would realize he was dead on. Howard Dean agreed with him as did Barak Obama.

    BushyWUSHY 1- Benson-OOOOOOOO

    try providing some facts next time benson...you to John E.

    Bushy- Neither one agrees- show me on legal expert that agrees... as well as one quote from either of those liberals. You'll get your point only then.

    Bushy- do you know that Habeas Corpus was written for US citizens not for foreign combatants? Every liberal blogger chooses to overlook that, as do you.

    "I don't have a party. I left the Democratic Party in 1994 and am registered as an Independent."

    So noted, but I didn't especially mean the the party you are registered to. I meant the one that you rather tirelessly support. A large number of people maintain an (I) by their name and vote almost completely party line. Can we not assume you touched (R) last night in a ratio approaching 10 to 1 as against (D) and (I)?

    I watch Countdown occasionally -- often agree with Olbermann in principle but he is often over the top and definitely does not hide his bias. I felt he and Matthews looked quite awkward together most of the time. I didn't watch them the whole time but was a little surprised at one of Olbermann's lines -- something to the effect of "For those of you scoring at home -- or even if you're alone..." I took it as he was making a little joke about "scoring" in the conjugal sense. Rather unprofessional.

    I watch Countdown occasionally -- often agree with Olbermann in principle but he is often over the top and definitely does not hide his bias. I felt he and Matthews looked quite awkward together most of the time. I didn't watch them the whole time but was a little surprised at one of Olbermann's lines -- something to the effect of "For those of you scoring at home -- or even if you're alone..." I took it as he was making a little joke about "scoring" in the conjugal sense. Rather unprofessional.

    "Olbermann Watch doesn't "hate" Keith. We just report the truth and it seems like "hate". As far as this being the end? Hahaha. Assuming that a dem victory means KO's contract is renewed, we are going to be around for a good long while.
    Posted by: Robert Cox at November 8, 2006 03:22 PM"

    This site has a clear purpose - it serves as a delusion of grandeur for it's creators who wish to be significant without the ability to articulate anything significant into the discussion about our democracy. Those who come here to join in on a project that rides the coat tails of Mr. Olbermann are clear equals in "failure to communicate" anything but trivial attacks on the speech of an outspoken journalistic figure.

    I will say though that your site serves a powerful purpose in exposing the typical Klan like mentality of the republican electorate who come here to join a group for the purpose of ganging up an individual. Standard fair for cowards who have little faith in their ability to stand alone and defend a position.

    Keep up the good work!

    For all those like "Coward-watch" (an apt name for an Olby-fan!) who think this site has no purpose I wonder why you come here?

    Certainly there's a plethora of blue-blogs out there where you can converse with like-minded nut jobs to your hearts content, no?

    Btw, please don't refer to Olbermann as a journalistic figure. It's quite clear from last night's pathetic performance that Olby cannot hang with the big-boys of NBC and has no real journalistic skills. Take away his script and he's like Cindy Brady staring at the red-light on the camera. Kooky-Keith is NBC's dirty secret. They need to keep him locked in his office and only trot him out for his "Countdown" show.

    Mixing him in with the likes of Russert, Matthews, Brokaw and others only exposes what a clown he is.

    "Klan like mentality" - "cowards" - "delusion of grandeur"

    Boy those are some strong arguments...

    Greg is right. Keith was awkward with the interviews, which was why the producers never threw him a republican to interview. After all, he has no experience with that.

    Anonymous could be right that a republican might have used the opportunity to reprimand Olby, or even to cut the interview short if a scuffle broke out and the guest went "Zell Miller" on his ass. That would have been a distraction, and egg on the face of the NBC brand.

    I also detected Mathews' occassional discomfort when Olby went partisan. At 4 or 5 AM when Keith was about to leave, Mathews said to Olby that Olby's style was not his, however he chickened out and concluded by saying that Olby's style was in the tradition of Murrow. That made KO turn 5 degrees more orange. Time to consider MathewsWatch?

    Matthews thinks its a shame and racist for Ford to lose in TN, but it's not racist for Steele to lose in MD becuase the right guy (with a -D after his name) won

    Matthews, with the way he caricatures the religous, the south, the military, and those he disagrees with is the real bigot...

    O' I love these Olbyloons who trot Keitho out as their hero. "Keitho is great." "Keitho stands up to these guys." Spare me, he is the queen coward among you all! If he was so great and powerful he would debate one of those hated righteys. But never. His scripted on-his-high-horse rants would be exposed by nearly any republican in a face-to-face battle. And pathetic Keitho worshippers like Madame Coward Watch would cringe as their paper tiger was wadded up and flicked away within minutes. Some day soon Keitho will be called out of hiding behind his desk where he is flanked by his favorite yes men he loosely calls 'experts.' And that is the day OlbermannWatch will be vindicated, for methodically exposing his flaws. Its the day he actually attempts to debate an opposing thought. And that day will be exactly one week before he pops up on "Surreal Life 7." Or sooner.

    Chris Matthews showed his true colors (all red) when Mr. Olbermann suggested that George "macaca" Allen had all but conceded the Va Senate race when he stated that "he was going to bed" after a 3rd or 4th printout showed him trailing Webb. Kieth clearly looked stunned when Chris became irritated and defensive at his comments. Mr. Matthews was "red" faced from anger, showed his "red" party alignment, and was "red" faced after from embarassment. I believe Mr. Olbermann balances the more conservative lineup of shows at MSNBC (Hardball, Tucker, Scarborough etc.) with wit, humor, and good old fashion journalism.

    The people have spoken and whether or not the folks on this site will agree, they have sided with Olbermann and not with you.
    Posted by: Dupree at November 8, 2006 11:37 AM
    ======

    Sided with KO...but have they? It is increasingly obvious that the message sent last night is one seeking moderation, compromise, and a desire for an effective, articulable means, to deal with Iraq. The message sent is also one that suggests (as did many of the successful candidates in interviews last night) that politics of hate, name calling and character assassination is out of control and needs to stop.

    Conversely, Keith's message has been boorishly one-sided (as affirmed-thankfully-by Chris Matthews via his back-handed compliment about KO's writing abilty in the context of its abilty to "provoke"). KO has also been overtly and proudly hateful of all things Bush, Republican and non-Dem. Sure, the fringe Repubs and RL's of the world are just as bad in their tactics and need to learn from their defeat....but to suggest that the people have spoken and have "sided with" KO is just as myopic and plain wrong as many of KO's vitriolic rants.

    The Dems should be rightly proud of the victory achieved, and the means by which it was obtained. That is, adroitly marching toward the middle, embracing the values of a moderate electorate (like me) and by promising a new direction in Iraq (as yet defined-although that suprisingly ended up being politically shrewd as Bush offered esentially the same). But don't cheapen the result by claiming the people "side with" the pitfully one-sided KO. Face it, whether he's genuine or not, KO has become a voice of extreme...and extreme-speak is NOT the people's voice...and in spite of the end result being what KO desired, I assure you that KO's side is not even remotely close to that of the masses!!

    Anonymous said: "Mr. Olbermann balances the more conservative lineup of shows at MSNBC (Hardball, Tucker, Scarborough etc.) with wit, humor, and good old fashion journalism."

    Yes, those leftys and RINOs are more conservative than Mister Olberloon... Olby is the leftist lefty in the leftosphere dude. EVERYONE is more conservative than KO.

    Jeez, I feel like I am talking into the wind. My name is November 9 not Anonymous.

    And by an industry standard KO was not on with the big 3. Matthews anchored and lead in. There is a huge difference - ask a newbie cutting their teeth in this biz. Their representation will clear it up for them when contract time rolls around.

    Doesn't anyone else here work with a bunch of vipers trying to get to the top of the pile?

    TV is a great business as long as you understand its never personal. KO hasn't always believed that which is why his career is so scattered. Its great conversation however. Which is what I thought was the point of this site, not national politics.

    Anyone notice above where Benson says he's "got a meeting so I'll check back later on your responses," then proceeds to post again four minutes later. Must be a real mover and shaker over in Halliburton. Maybe your homoerotic obsession with Olbermann has affected your career.

    JohnE, I could not agree with you more. The way Chris Matthews belittles the south, it's offensive. My opinion: The 'call me' ad was not racist at all. The fact that some of those above the Mason-Dixon think that it was exposes their own bigotry - the soft bigotry of condescension. "If I found it offensive, just imagine how those uneducated crackers in the south will react." Feh.

    REPUBLICANS BLAME ELECTION LOSSES ON DEMOCRATS

    -- Will Blame Clinton When They Lose The Senate --

    WASHINGTON, DC —-- Republican officials are blaming GOP midterm losses on Democrats, who they claim have engaged in a wide variety of "aggressive, premeditated, anti-Republican campaigns" over the past six-to-18 months. "We have evidence of a well-organized, well-funded series of operations designed specifically to undermine our message, depict our past performance in a negative light, and drive Republicans out of office," said Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, who accused an organization called the Democratic National Committee of spearheading the nationwide effort. "There are reports of television spots, print ads, even volunteers going door-to-door encouraging citizens to vote against us." Acknowledging that the "damage has already been done," Mehlman is seeking a promise from Democrats to never again engage in similar practices.


    "We have evidence of a well-organized, well-funded series of operations designed specifically to undermine our message, depict our past performance in a negative light, and drive Republicans out of office," said Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman

    =======================================

    Why... he sounds like a conspiracy kook.

    Wow: That sounds a lot iike Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy" arguement coming from the other side!Never thought I'd see that happen.

    "The way Chris Matthews belittles the south, it's offensive." Posted by: Matticus Finch at November 8, 2006 05:45 PM

    I couldn't agree with you more. It's very offensive.

    Damn, I just agreed with some of the wingnuts on this site. I wonder if Stockholm Syndrome is setting in?

    Olby was waaaay out of his element. He was unknowledgeable, stiff as a board and annoying to Chris. Tom Brokaw seems genuinely uncomfortable to talk to Olby. MSNBC put him on the air to attract the leftists. Unfortunately, he drove everyone else to CNN, Fox, ABC and Comedy Central.

    Anonymous: I thought Keith Olbermann was doing bad in the rating?

    He is.

    Then why, my anonymous little friend, would MSNBC give him a lead spot ?

    Well KO and Chrissy ratings where just like they're are most of the time on their own shows...on the bottom.

    Primetime election night:

    ABC 10,050,000
    NBC 7,189,000
    CBS 7,080,000
    FOXNEWS 3,050,000
    CNN 2,963,000
    MSNBC 1,926,000

    Even together they can't get out of the basement.

    During election times, people tend to switch channels around looking for different coverages...

    I will say though that your site serves a powerful purpose in exposing the typical Klan like mentality of the republican electorate who come here to join a group for the purpose of ganging up an individual. Standard fair for cowards who have little faith in their ability to stand alone and defend a position.

    Keep up the good work!


    Posted by: Coward Watch at November 8, 2006 04:35 PM

    I will say though that countdown serves a powerful purpose in exposing the typical Klan like mentality of the liberals who come to countdown for the purpose of ganging up an individual. Standard fair for cowards like Olbermann who have little faith in their ability to stand alone and defend a position.

    Sums up countdown well, personal attacks, no opposing views aired.

    Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker]:

    I offered a suggestion for why earlier and what the show's motif was attempting.

    I think MSNBC missed with the execution but the concept of sports/entertainment was a good one. If politics didn't suffer from, well being politics, the format is a proven winner.

    The telestrator originally struck me as dumb but the more I think about it the more I like it now. It links an image to a traditionally verbal broadcast.

    I said earlier that KO was a bad fit with Matthews ego but he was really to only one to fit the role as color commentator to the straight man.

    It seems to have missed with the ratings. Most traffic departments don't go for heavy buys on programming like this so ad rates drop and I suspect it was a revenue loser as well. But I give MSNBC points for trying something different.

    The big question now is what happens to the Matthews/Olbermann working relationship now. I'll bet CM is fuming over the overnights and blaming everybody connected with the program. I'll bet he is a real treat to work with right now.

    Has anyone else noticed that a recurring theme from the KO worshippers is that Dem's regaining the legistative ( at least one side) branch yesterday means that KO has been elevated to???????

    Omniscience? Infallibility? Saintliness? Murrowesness? Superior?

    Can any of these people stand on and argue from their own convictions?

    EVILLY AND STUPIDLY YOURS,

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Oh, and did I mention that I am an inbred fundy Christonazi, imbelcilic, rascist, callous, MAD BITCH and a barbaric c**T.

    Thats why I post such driveling, hate filled, stupid nonsense.

    If they are denied their ad hominem attacks, they would be speechless.

    Some posters seem to think Ko got elected

    Grammie: Well... Rush Limbaugh has been demoted, saying something akin to being
    "liberated" from carrying the water for people that he did not like. Demoted from head poncho to sidelines cheerleader. Really, who could like the G.O.P.?!? If Rush can not --- no one truly can!

    "REPUBLICANS BLAME ELECTION LOSSES ON DEMOCRATS"... hmmm, couldn't find the "news" story by Googling... what's the source?

    MSNBC chose Olby to attract his ultraliberal viewers. Olby's sad attempts at humor fell flat. His delivery is bad. The election broadcast was neither the time nor the place to attempt his show shtick. I think Chris realized this quickly. Olby did not.

    Wow, those ratings for MSNBC are awful.

    Take a look at the breakdown and the big winner for the night was CNN, at least among the cable outlets.

    "Has anyone else noticed that a recurring theme from the KO worshippers is that Dem's regaining the legistative ( at least one side) branch yesterday means that KO has been elevated to???????
    If they are denied their ad hominem attacks, they would be speechless.
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 8, 2006 07:07 PM"

    "KO worshipping"?

    Uhhh just because you are here to do nothing else but "ad hominem" attacks which virtually means "against the man", (Keith Olbermann) while repeatedly demonstrating no mastery of the issues the man comments on, doesn't mean those of us who defend him have an equal opposite motivation for being here as you and yours do. Stop projecting your ignorance on others.

    How old do you have to be to know you are making a fool out of yourself by pointing the finger at others and accusing them of "ad hominem" attacks while giving support to a web sight who's soul purpose is to "attack the man" rather than the issues the man addresses?

    Jesus are you people simple. You are on a losing side. You know it. We know it and all the pretending in the world won't hide the elephant in the room. God are you pathetic!

    "Dems take Senate" America takes back it's country from the Kulture of the Klan.

    Jail. Jail. Jail. That's what faces Repiublican leadership. The investigations will commence under Waxman, Conyers, Harman, etc. - and the sloppy slime trails are going to put even more GOP pirates out of office and into stir. Hopefully, Cheney and Rummy, maybe even W, will end their sorry lives in prison.

    Accountability is back, and if we keep pressure on our new leadership I think the lessons learned over the past few years are going to urge the Democrats to introduce new ethical standards and transparency to our government.

    "Bushy- do you know that Habeas Corpus was written for citizens not for foreign combatants? Every liberal blogger chooses to overlook that, as do you."

    Actually, it was writen for 12th century British nobles, freemen, and villiens. It was CITED in the US constitution for all "persons" on American soil. Citizenship is explicitly not the standard.

    "Accountability is back, and if we keep pressure on our new leadership I think the lessons learned over the past few years are going to urge the Democrats to introduce new ethical standards and transparency to our government.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at November 8, 2006 09:39 PM"

    "Accountability is back, and if we keep pressure on our new leadership I think the lessons learned over the past few years are going to urge the Democrats to introduce new ethical standards and transparency to our government.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at November 8, 2006 09:39 PM"

    Yes let's hope so. But as far as being vindictive and trying to put them in jail, there is too much work to do after 6 years of the "do nothing congress" leaving our middle class in ruins, to waste it on chasing the last of the republicans that pimped and whored our legislature to the highest bidder. There will be hearings on Iraq if the White House isn't forth coming on all the info they have kept from congress the last 5 years.

    As far as KO: it was what it was - I did find myself gravitating to MSNBC over the networks, as the networks just didn't offer much.

    As far as ratings: who cares about ratings?

    And considering what happened last night, I thought the MSNBC coverge was the most useful.

    DD

    Coward Watch,

    I have to stress that accountability is an essential linch-pin of our system of government. While the prosecutions may take on the appearance of "vindictiveness", they will be indespensible to promote the rebirth of public confidence in its integrity.

    Furthermore, such prosecutions are absolutely necessary factors in the recovery of the AmericaN treasury, which has been depleted by war-profiteering masquerading as governance. The social initiatives to which you correctly attribute so much importance depend on this recovery of our stolen wealth.

    "I have to stress that accountability is an essential linch-pin of our system of government."

    That depends on how you define it.

    Stolen wealth is relative. Yes this entire Iraqi adventure has been wrought with war profiteering and pay offs for contracts under the table. But it will have to be limited to the appearance of cleaning house. If the Democrats tried to tie down every loose end left behind by the pimps and whores of the Republiklan party they wouldn't even be half done come the 2008 President election. This would cost them the White House and perhaps control of the senate. Try to imagine how Fox News and Rush Lipbaulm will play on this if all the new congress does is hold hearings. There are too many priorities to spread yourself so thin you end up out before you can get a handle on what it was your true goal was. The goal is probably to reverse the damage to constitutional law and restore financial fairness in the tax system. Security as an issue is something that is a no brainer and holds a priority status all it's own. This subject is the golden goose of Republican party that never stops giving.

    I don't think they will be doing what the Republiklans did to Clinton for lying about sex. God knows they would deserve it but I think the democrats are a few degrees above that.

    Does anyone here work in broadcasting besides me?

    Hello?

    Hello?

    Anyone?

    Is this a political site?


    Anyone?

    Seriously. Does anyone want to talk about the industry?

    Anyone?


    Ho?

    BUSH SAYS RUMSFELD DID HECKUVA JOB, ROVE TOO

    -- Medals of Freedom Ordered for Both --

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 8 -- Faced with the collapse of his Republican majority in Congress, President Bush announced the departure of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, just days after saying he would keep Mr. Rumsfeld on for the rest of his term. `We just figured that, you know, it`d no longer be good to have him running the war, since it`s all gonna be investigated now, you see.` Speaking of his chief campaign strategist, Karl Rove, Bush said he too would remain till 2009, despite the loss of 32 House seats and 6 in the Senate, `If you look at it race by race, it was close. The cumulative effect, however, was not close. So what you`ve got, you see, is a closeness along with a not closeness.`