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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 11, 2007
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JANUARY 11, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PRESIDENT BUSH'S PLAN FACES SCRUTINY: Jonathan Alter, Newsweek senior editor and MSNBC political analyst
    • WE'VE SURGED BEFORE - WHAT HAPPENED?: Col. Jack Jacobs, U.S. Army (ret.) and MSNBC military analyst

    KO was just five seconds into the opening spiel when, as predicted, up popped up a clip of Sen Hagel. Plus Russ Feingold and a Speshul Komment on "insanity". Natch.

    MADMAN

    Herr Olbermann started off The Hour of Spin proper with the wacky suggestion that if we had a parliamentary government, Bush would have to resign. Keith, adjust your medication. The plan has "very few buyers", and the fact that Iranians in Iraq were detained raises "alarm bells". Yeah, we can't have your buddies inconvenienced, eh Monkeymann?

    Clips from Secy Rice (who was trying to "mislead" the Senate), and clips from various senators: Hagel (again), Nelson (D), Boxer (D), Obama (D). What do all these lawmakers have in common? They're all against the President's plan.

    But what about the ones who spoke in favor? Silly rabbit, this is The Hour of Spin.

    Those clips don't get played. Do they, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    Then a clip from Joe Biden (D) about a theoretical "invasion" of Iran (as predicted). What about the lawmakers who had a different view? Those clips don't get played on The Hour of Spin. Do they, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    Leftist Alter immediately started singing Monkeymann's tune: cut off funding. KO made another Bush/Nixon comparison--on OlbyPlanet, that never gets old. He went on to predict "another gulf of Tonkin", because the eeevil Bush wants to "provoke" the innocent, freedom-loving Iran. What's more, the polls say people are against it, and if Bush doesn't base his foreign policy on poll numbers, then what good are they? Or words to that effect. Alter croaked that Bush is trying to sustain his base despite "erosion". Great thanks.

    Next, an EXCLUSIVE! interview with The Statesman: Russ Feingold (D). Another in the long string of Dems, documented in The List, updated to keep the historical record accurate. Krazy Keith asked the tough questions, like: How do you cut off the money? What about expanding the war to Iran and Syria? Doesn't threatening Iran just bolster them? (Rule #1 again.) But it didn't matter what questions Fat Ass posed, The Statesman just rattled off his prepared talking points without follow-ups or challenge from the Edward R Murrow of our time, here doing a perfect impersonation of a microphone stand.

    Those questioned don't get asked. Do they, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    Another plug for his Speshul Komment about the "madness" of Bush, and oddball. Up to this point, Countdown was as one-sided as a mobius strip, and that surely didn't change with Olby's recitation of the history of troop surges. It was compiled by the National Security Network, said Olby. But he didn't mention that outfit is headed by John Kerry's foreign policy advisor.

    That information doesn't get told. Does it, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    Col Jacobs gave "Man on Fan" Olbermann what he wanted to hear: it won't work, it's just political cover, it's a big mistake. But what about the military analysts who think this could work? They don't get to appear on The Hour of Spin. Do they, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    A recycled NBC report covered KO's favorite weapon system again; plus we got David Beckham and Golden Globes. In the Media Matters Minute, Monkeymann blasted a Congressman who happened to be an (R). But what about Democrats. They don't get named "worst person". Do they, Mr Olbermann, sir?

    OLBY

    And then the Speshul Komment. It had everything. "Mister" Bush references a plenty. Stentorian tones of artificial outrage. And of course, a liberal dose of insinSirs, not to mention the carefully scripted, immacuately executed camera pivots [see APPENDIX for text]. "A Presidency of Cliff Notes"... "Are you thinking at all?"... "absurd and childish"... "The President who cried wolf". Then he launched into a replay of his pseudo-commentary from Wednesday night. It's an Instant Olbermann Rerun! Olby's orange face nearly turned purple and we feared he would have to take a few drags from Don Imus's oxygen tank. Yikes!

    OLBY

    Quiescent canines: Four freshmen Dems announced they will not support defunding the troops. Gee, why do you suppose that didn't make it onto Olbermann's air? A whole passel of advisors to The Carter Center have resigned to protest the bias and inaccuracies in his book. Edward R Olbermann protects his party with his silence. You will recall Olby never covered the charges of plagiarism either. Bouyed by impressive jobs numbers, the stock market closed at a new historic high. There's the chorus from Yale University who got a welcome commensurate with San Francisco values. Plus new developments in the Sandy Burglar case--no way will the discredited sports guy touch that one. And finally, not even a snarky "worst person" nomination for the Dem Presidential candidate who thinks we've been in Iraq for five and a half years.

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olberman's name sunk to #6,006 at amazon.com; Mr Bill's "Culture Warrior" is #98. The OlbyTome is #2,735 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #259 there, as well as being one of 2006's top ten best sellers. On Wednesday's Hour of Spin, Monkeymann lost to Bill O'Reilly by four to one, coming in a poor third both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading is a new all-time record: 25 [EXTREME DANGER!!!]

    APPENDIX: Latest Olbermoronn Speshul Komment:

    Only this president, only in this time, only with this dangerous, even messianic certitude, could answer a country demanding an exit strategy from Iraq, by offering an entrance strategy for Iran.

    Only this president could look out over a vista of 3,008 dead and 22,834 wounded in Iraq, and finally say, "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me" -- only to follow that by proposing to repeat the identical mistake ... in Iran.

    Only this president could extol the "thoughtful recommendations of the Iraq Study Group," and then take its most far-sighted recommendation -- "engage Syria and Iran" -- and transform it into "threaten Syria and Iran" -- when al-Qaida would like nothing better than for us to threaten Syria, and when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would like nothing better than to be threatened by us.

    This is diplomacy by skimming; it is internationalism by drawing pictures of Superman in the margins of the text books; it is a presidency of Cliff Notes.

    And to Iran and Syria -- and, yes, also to the insurgents in Iraq -- we must look like a country run by the equivalent of the drunken pest who gets battered to the floor of the saloon by one punch, then staggers to his feet, and shouts at the other guy's friends, "Ok, which one of you is next?"

    [PIVOT!]

    Mr. Bush, the question is no longer "what are you thinking?," but rather "are you thinking at all?"

    "I have made it clear to the prime minister and Iraq's other leaders that America's commitment is not open-ended," you said last night.

    And yet -- without any authorization from the public, which spoke so loudly and clearly to you in November's elections -- without any consultation with a Congress (in which key members of your own party, including Sens. Sam Brownback, Norm Coleman and Chuck Hagel, are fleeing for higher ground) -- without any awareness that you are doing exactly the opposite of what Baker-Hamilton urged you to do -- you seem to be ready to make an open-ended commitment (on America's behalf) to do whatever you want, in Iran.

    Our military, Mr. Bush, is already stretched so thin by this bogus adventure in Iraq that even a majority of serving personnel are willing to tell pollsters that they are dissatisfied with your prosecution of the war.

    It is so weary that many of the troops you have just consigned to Iraq will be on their second tours or their third tours or their fourth tours -- and now you're going to make them take on Iran and Syria as well?

    Who is left to go and fight, sir?

    Who are you going to send to "interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria"?

    Laura and Barney?

    [PIVOT!]

    The line is from the movie "Chinatown" and I quote it often: "Middle of a drought," the mortician chuckles, "and the water commissioner drowns. Only in L.A.!"

    Middle of a debate over the lives and deaths of another 21,500 of our citizens in Iraq, and the president wants to saddle up against Iran and Syria.

    Maybe that's the point -- to shift the attention away from just how absurd and childish this   latest war strategy is, (strategy, that is, for the war already under way, and not the one on deck).

    We are going to put 17,500 more troops into Baghdad and 4,000 more into Anbar Province to give the Iraqi government "breathing space."

    In and of itself that is an awful and insulting term.

    The lives of 21,500 more Americans endangered, to give "breathing space" to a government that just turned the first and perhaps the most sober act of any democracy -- the capital punishment of an ousted dictator -- into a vengeance lynching so barbaric and so lacking in the solemnities necessary for credible authority, that it might have offended the Ku Klux Klan of the 19th century.

    And what will our men and women in Iraq do?

    The ones who will truly live -- and die -- during what Mr. Bush said last night will be a "year ahead" that "will demand more patience, sacrifice, and resolve"?

    They will try to seal Sadr City and other parts of Baghdad where the civil war is worst.

    Mr. Bush did not mention that while our people are trying to do that, the factions in the civil war will no longer have to focus on killing each other, but rather they can focus anew on killing our people.

    Because last night the president foolishly all but announced that we will be sending these 21,500 poor souls, but no more after that, and if the whole thing fizzles out, we're going home.

    The plan fails militarily.

    The plan fails symbolically.

    The plan fails politically.

    [PIVOT!]

    Most importantly, perhaps, Mr. Bush, the plan fails because it still depends on your credibility.

    You speak of mistakes and of the responsibility "resting" with you.

    But you do not admit to making those mistakes.

    And you offer us nothing to justify this clenched fist toward Iran and Syria.

    In fact, when you briefed news correspondents off-the-record before the speech, they were told, once again, "if you knew what we knew …  if you saw what we saw … "

    "If you knew what we knew" was how we got into this morass in Iraq in the first place.

    The problem arose when it turned out that the question wasn't whether we knew what you knew, but whether you knew what you knew.

    You, sir, have become the president who cried wolf.

    All that you say about Iraq now could be gospel.

    All that you say about Iran and Syria now could be prescient and essential.

    We no longer have a clue, sir.

    We have heard too many stories.

    Many of us are as inclined to believe you just shuffled the director of national intelligence over to the State Department because he thought you were wrong about Iran.

    Many of us are as inclined to believe you just put a pilot in charge of ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because he would be truly useful in an air war next door in Iran.

    Your assurances, sir, and your demands that we trust you, have lost all shape and texture. 

    They are now merely fertilizer for conspiracy theories.

    They are now fertilizer, indeed.

    [PIVOT!--plus dramatic downward look!]

    The pile has been built slowly and with seeming care.

    I read this list last night, before the president's speech, and it bears repeating because its shape and texture are perceptible only in such a context.

    Before Mr. Bush was elected, he said nation-building was wrong for America.

    Now he says it is vital.

    He said he would never put U.S. troops under foreign control.

    Last night he promised to embed them in Iraqi units.

    He told us about WMD.

    Mobile labs.

    Secret sources.

    Aluminum tubes.

    Yellow-cake.

    He has told us the war is necessary:

    Because Saddam was a material threat.

    Because of 9/11.

    Because of Osama Bin Laden. Al-Qaida. Terrorism in general.

    To liberate Iraq. To spread freedom. To spread Democracy. To prevent terrorism by gas price increases.

    Because this was a guy who tried to kill his dad.

    Because -- 439 words in to the speech last night -- he trotted out 9/11 again.

    In advocating and prosecuting this war he passed on a chance to get Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi.

    To get Muqtada Al-Sadr. To get Bin Laden.

    He sent in fewer troops than the generals told him to. He ordered the Iraqi army disbanded and the Iraqi government "de-Baathified."

    He short-changed Iraqi training. He neglected to plan for widespread looting. He did not anticipate sectarian violence.

    He sent in troops without life-saving equipment. He gave jobs to foreign contractors, and not Iraqis. He staffed U.S. positions there, based on partisanship, not professionalism.

    He and his government told us: America had prevailed, mission accomplished, the resistance was in its last throes.

    He has insisted more troops were not necessary. He has now insisted more troops are necessary.

    He has insisted it's up to the generals, and then removed some of the generals who said more troops would not be necessary.

    He has trumpeted the turning points:

    The fall of Baghdad, the death of Uday and Qusay, the capture of Saddam. A provisional government, a charter, a constitution, the trial of Saddam. Elections, purple fingers, another government, the death of Saddam.

    He has assured us: We would be greeted as liberators -- with flowers;

    As they stood up, we would stand down. We would stay the course; we were never about "stay the course."

    We would never have to go door-to-door in Baghdad. And, last night, that to gain Iraqis' trust,  we would go door-to-door in Baghdad.

    He told us the enemy was al-Qaida, foreign fighters, terrorists, Baathists, and now Iran and Syria.

    He told us the war would pay for itself. It would cost $1.7 billion. $100 billion. $400 billion. Half a trillion. Last night's speech alone cost another $6 billion.

    And after all of that, now it is his credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people.

    Oh, and one more to add, tonight: Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

    [PIVOT!]

    Mr. Bush, this is madness.

    You have lost the military. You have lost the Congress to the Democrats. You have lost most of the Iraqis. You have lost many of the Republicans. You have lost our allies.

    You are losing the credibility, not just of your presidency, but more importantly of the office itself.

    And most imperatively, you are guaranteeing that more American troops will be losing their lives, and more families their loved ones. You are guaranteeing it!

    This becomes your legacy, sir: How many of those you addressed last night as your "fellow citizens" you just sent to their deaths.

    And for what, Mr. Bush?

    So the next president has to pull the survivors out of Iraq instead of you?


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    558 Comments

    You 30% could easily make up the extra 2K soldiers, what do you say,, Have the gall to put up.. if not then shut the hell up.

    Okay, a Zeno's Paradox: How do we distinguish the news anchor's "Speshul Komment" on this news show from the rest of the program?

    Like, he turns his objectivity and non-partisan switch off?

    Johnny Wad
    what is u're problem with Keith?

    Can we paint a bullseye on Orally ?

    Oh no!

    Is that bad, bad Keith Olbermann saying "Mister" Bush again?

    "You 30% could easily make up the extra 2K soldiers, what do you say,, Have the gall to put up.. if not then shut the hell up."

    If you join up and go to Afghanistan - a war you support, right? - then we can shift the forces from there to Iraq.

    You go first, I'll be right behind.

    Mister... that is too respectful.. Shithead is far more appropriate

    No... I do not fight for MNC's They can steal without my help

    Bill O'lielly,
    How many people die from car accidents every year?

    "No... I do not fight for MNC's They can steal without my help"

    Since you don't want to put up, then you have to, in your words, "shut the hell up"?

    Your standard, not mine.

    KO just better look out for Geraldo!

    He'll sure show him to show some respect for our dear leader...after he makes 'pizza' face out of him!

    For the first time in a while I'm listening to KO, rather half heartedly I admit.

    He leaves me with the impression that he doesn't want to replace any news or editorial personalities.

    He wants to be the Great Leader and run the country. His statements and hyberpole sound like a politician preaching to the faithful in his strongest district.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    TokyOlbermann can't wait for speshul comment.
    He has a chubby just thinking about it.

    8:50pm in the evening can't get here quick enough.

    Al Jazeera standing by to translate into Arabic.
    Citizen Keith sits at the left hand of Michael Moore.

    He is in extra deplorable mode.

    L.F.

    Yeah Bill O'lielly!

    And how many people die from sex induced heart failure every year?

    Red Wolf wants to know!

    Red Wolf,, cars are used for transportation, and this war is fought for ?

    It's almost time for Olbermann next close encounter with a nervous breakdown!

    The funniest thing Olby does is call his show a "news hour." Someone ought to sue.

    Does MNC mean multi national corporations? That is the only thing I can come up with, rather tentatively I admit.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Let's see how many times Olby spits during his Speshul Komment. Are the stagehands in wet suits? They should be.

    Yes Janet.. that is what MNC's are.

    Soon we'll hera the song....
    They're coming to take me away ha ha he he ho ho to the funny farm. Olbermann will on staright jacket claiming to be Edward R. Murrow

    I just tuned in. Olbermann will come on in a few minutes to defend Iran. This will prove his support for Ahmadinejad!

    "Yes Janet.. that is what MNC's are."

    I know I shouldn't but: So, we're in Afghanistan for the cause of MNCs?

    Big oil (that pipeline deal again)? Halliburton?

    Help me here: I no longer follow Chomsky anymore.

    PussyKeith...here he goes.

    "presidency of cliff notes"

    mister meter out of control...

    Islamofascist Olby just loves to stick up for his buddies in Iran and from al Qaeda. This Speshul Komment will be rebroadcast on Iranian state TV and al Jazeera within minutes.

    Hey Pussy Olbermann.....

    What happened to Sacrafice?

    You're last special comment has been shot to shit.

    Your a deplorable human being.

    AL JAZEERA at 30 Rock.

    Better a TV commentator out of control than a president.

    But wait....we seem to have BOTH, don't we?

    TokyOlbermann !!!

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Now, when I am personally accused of cowardice because I don't volunteer (though I have never commented about it at all re anyone), as they say for the phony excuse of being old and disabled is being anti profit for MNC justify my existence again?

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Wow...many camera changes...
    The room is spinning !!

    What a loon... so entertaining though...
    ha ha ha

    Mike, you're batting a thousand. You are right about KO and I agree.:)

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Hey Keith, he's the Commander in Chief Asswipe...

    Okay,okay, i concede. the camera changes are way too over the top.

    Mike, I hate it when I screw up the punch line. Batting 500.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Ooohhh Freechie:

    Die li'l Keith make you mad? Did he have the nerve to lecture your hero again?

    KO should be arrested!

    Here are the ratings from last night's commentary and coverage of the President's speech (from ICN). Guess where MSNBC finished?

    http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/01/11/wednesdays-numbers-38/#more-4491

    Janet:

    You shouldn't have cleared that up. I would have thought I just didn't get the joke.

    Hey Mike..

    Bush is Commander in Chief...deal with it.

    It's his perogative.

    L.F.

    Remember:

    Countdown is a NEWS show.

    Hosted by the news anchor, Keith Olbermann.

    MSNBC tells us so.

    News show - news anchor.

    If the laws of the FTC applied to news show, MSNBC would have a class action lawsuit filed against it for false advertising and for committing consumer fraud.

    Freechie:

    And guess what, it's Keith's perogative, and mine, to criticize and ridicule him!

    Mike,

    I gotta' go with a Geraldo/Keith mud wrestling match. Not that I would want to watch, but I know America would.

    Rico:

    I would prefer a Mixed Martial Arts format. 5 five minute rounds.

    Maybe Keith could get in a few extra punch's to Geraldo for giving away troop positions earlier in the war.

    Mike,

    I didn't say I was on anybody's side. They both deserve to loose.

    Bill O'lielly,
    So car deaths aren't important. A death is a death. How many people die from gang violence a year?

    Olbermann came close to a breakdown at the end. He was calm at 1st, but when he was discussing Iran and Syria he starting shaking and got teary!
    He was upset his Iranian buddies were threatened!

    i didn't understand what keith was saying in his special comment. This is what i got. Bush has made hundreds of mistakes. (lists mistakes)Therefore, Iranians are not to blame for assisting in the killing of U.S. troops.

    huh?

    "Bush is Commander in Chief...deal with it." -L.F.

    Do you know what this means L.F.? It means he works for us. The people are his employer. You seem to have forgotten this, but would only happen to remember if a Dem became president.


    GO GATORS!!!

    Bill O'lielly,
    How many people die from car accidents a year? Shouldn't we care about them?

    A sad and unfortunate comparison. I see what you are trying to say, but car accidents are not the way to go.

    The proper argument goes like this (this is not my view, just the way that argument is supposed to be made) "If Americans were so rightouos about the loss of innocent life, they would do something about the 17,000 cililians that are senslessly murdered in the U.S. every year, instead of worrying about the 882 soldiers that die fighting per year in this a war with a purpose. The difference is one gets you votes and one doesn't."

    Olbermann today in his rant was once again supporting Iran. I though he was going to put on a turban and scream Allau Akbar!

    Indierik:

    You're confused. The gators already went!

    Now don't go and tell me that you guys are gonna go and try to hog the basketball title again?

    GO TAR HEELS!

    "Olbermann today in his rant was once again supporting Iran."

    Boy, he sure came close to it.

    Let's see, the Iranians have been killing Americans for about 25 years. Khobar Towers, Beirut, supporting the terrorists in Iraq, helping Hamas et cetera.

    And Bush is causing the conflict?

    Not one word of condemnation by KO of Iranian actions.

    I wonder why?

    >GO TAR HEELS!


    I can't explain it, but I suddenly feel the urge to go buy Duke memorabilia.

    j/k

    Indierik,

    I congratulate you on your success, but college football is over for the year. It's time for you to "move on" to something else.

    Ohboy,
    Did you see when he mentioned Iran, he got passionate. This proves his support of Iran. I read Olbermann was part Arab or Persian. He has symapthy for those savages.

    Red Wolf:

    You probably DID put on a turban and yelled "death to Olbermann"!

    Indierik,

    I congratulate you on your success, but college football is over for the year. It's time for you to "move on" to something else

    They just won, give em a break man. If my team won the national championship i would still be gloating
    in 2012.

    Does Olbermann understand that smugness is not a desirable quality in a person? I'm not a fan of President Bush, but Olbermann is incorrigible. Referring to President Bush as "Mr. Bush" is puerile and shows a disrespect for the office as much as for the man.

    Mike,
    I wouldn't weat that crap. I woul put on an old 1500's Imperial Spanis helmet and scream Mata los Musulmanes!

    "Did you see when he mentioned Iran, he got passionate. This proves his support of Iran. I read Olbermann was part Arab or Persian. He has symapthy for those savages."

    C'mon, now you're just being silly.

    He doesn't support Iran, for crissakes.

    He just hates Bush so much that in any conflict or potential conflict, Bush must be blamed for the problem.

    Bush is his North Star, the guiding point in his worldview.

    Everything starts and finishes from there.

    Sorry guys,

    You have to give me a solid week to pimp my Gators and then I'll back off . . . . . UNTIL WE WIN THE NCAA HOOPS TOURNEY AGAIN!!!!

    IT'S GREAT . . . TO BE . . . A FLORIDA GATOR!!!

    KO's speshul comment is odios enough without being double posted.

    J$, do you think you might check it out and correct it.

    Thanks,

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Ohboy said..."not one word of condemnation of Iranian actions"....

    It's not too hard to see why. He's probably not too interested in adding to the Glenn Beck style hyperbole that would only serve to hasten and encourage Bush's increasingly irrational and self destructive actions.

    Ohboy,
    That's why he supports Iran. they are enemies of Bush. According to Olbylogic, the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

    "Hey Keith, he's the Commander in Chief Asswipe..."

    He's the Commander-in-Chief of the MILITARY, NOT of the rest of us. We are CIVILIANS. HE works for US. I will give him the respect of his office, L.F. But that does NOT include addressing him by a title that only affects a small number of Americans.

    "Let's see, the Iranians have been killing Americans for about 25 years. Khobar Towers, Beirut, supporting the terrorists in Iraq, helping Hamas et cetera.

    And Bush is causing the conflict?"

    You're one of those guys who'll poke a dog with a stick and then act surprised when he bites you, huh ohboy?

    Mike,
    Does olbermann hate Bush so much that he's pro-Iran?

    "I read Olbermann was part Arab or Persian."

    Cite it or move along, Red Wolf. I'm tired of your rampant gossip-mongering and trading in half-truths.

    >"But what about the ones who spoke in favor? Silly rabbit, this is The Hour of Spin."

    No Senator on that panel came out in favor of the President's plan. Quit it with your stupid rhetorical questions; you aren't fooling anyone.

    TokyOlbermann is a wussy. Just check the list.
    No opposing views. Despicable.

    Great rundown tonight by J$.

    I support Bush.. I support the plan.
    The hell with Iran and Syria... They are responsible for funding the insurgency.

    Let them eat static....let'em hang with Sadaam.

    Olbermann
    Gregory
    Lauer
    Matthews
    Scarborough
    Abrams

    All a bunch of wussies...leftists...
    what a hall of shame.

    LF

    Indierik,

    OK. You enjoy your week. But I am going to fire one more shot across your bow. After the game, I am down to my last beebee.

    Who in their right mind, Indierik, would design football uniforms that are orange and blue? That is the stupidest combination of colors for a sports team in history. And it's really a bad color combo for a GATOR. So there! I just shot you in the ass with that beebee. Suffer now.

    And to Iran and Syria -- and, yes, also to the insurgents in Iraq -- we must look like a country run by the equivalent of the drunken pest who gets battered to the floor of the saloon by one punch, then staggers to his feet, and shouts at the other guy's friends, "Ok, which one of you is next?"


    It was nice of keith to treat Iran like they are a victom in all this and give the viewer a taste of what we look like to Iran.

    You know, Iran. THe one that has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

    The one that not only has denied the holocost, but had the audacity to hold a conference to determine its validity. All the while calling for one of its own.

    The one that holds state sponsered demostrations where the people chant "death to America" (Note: that includes all of us. Even you, Kieth.)

    The one that gives money to the terrorist organization Hezbollah.

    The one that is going to abandon the nuclear proliferation act to obtain nuclear power in defiance of the rest of the world.

    The one that has drastically rolled back freedoms in the past three years. (For those who would compare it to our restrictions of freedoms, type the word "women" into this board now. Congratulations, you have just exercised a right beyond that of Iranians.)

    The one that has helped to kill Americans in Iraq.


    But hey, Thanks for giving us their point of view so eloquently, Kieth. Apparently the phrase "death to America" translates into "those silly drunk Americans. Why do they treat us so?"

    Keep up the good work.

    Ensign Expendable,
    "Cite it or move along, Red Wolf. I'm tired of your rampant gossip-mongering and trading in half-truths."

    Like Olbermann?

    It was an article I read 2 years ago that his Mom was middle easterner. I don't recall if it said Persian or Arab. He's probably part Persian since he got red and shook when he taked about Iran. That showed me he has some love for his motherland!

    Red Wolf asks..."Does Olbermann hate Bush so much he's pro-Iran?"

    You see Red Wolf, we all see just what we choose to see, and you are an exagerated example of that truth.

    You keep mistaking omission of condemnation as "support for Iran". The problem is the over-reaction of Bush to the situation, and that is ALL that he is addressing.

    Did you somehow miss the point he made about how Bush was giving Ahmadinejad exactly what he wants with his irrational belligerence?

    I personally don't believe in giving my enemy exactly what they want, but we've been doing exactly that for the last 4 years.

    > KO's speshul comment is odios enough without being double posted.

    You are so correct. My apologies for anyone who may have been made ill by the double posting. It has been fixed.

    "Ohboy,
    Did you see when he mentioned Iran, he got passionate. This proves his support of Iran. I read Olbermann was part Arab or Persian. He has symapthy for those savages.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 11, 2007 9:29 PM"

    "He was part Arab or Persian"

    Oh boy the gas station attendant is now distinguishing between Semitic people. Someone must of pointed out to Redwolf recently that Iranian people are for the most part not Arabs. I am astonished a dumb ass like Redwolf would realize this.

    Yet as with any spawn of trailer trash he is judging people racially. As if blood line has anything to do with culture. Redwolf is a Nazi Klansman who is welcomed with open arms by regulars like the person hiding behind the moniker "grannie".

    Always living up to backwater hillbilly mentality with ignorance based on fear of others who are not white Anglo protestants.

    I personally don't believe in giving my enemy exactly what they want, but we've been doing exactly that for the last 4 years.


    like when we gave al queda exactly what they wanted when we tore down Iraq? I believe i already smoked you in that debate. But hey, keep it coming.

    "You're one of those guys who'll poke a dog with a stick and then act surprised when he bites you, huh ohboy?"

    And you're one of those guys who is always excusing the actions of enemies of America.

    So, I assume you believe that the Iranian attacks on us are legitimate responses? They're the victims? Responding to the US "pokes"?

    Khobar Towers was under Clinton. What did Clinton do to the Iranians that warranted that attack?

    We should do something about Ahmadenijad Not necessarily for the nuke-stuff, but sheerly because he is sooooooooo anoying !!!!! He is the most annoying person around !!!

    Anon, I really don't know who you are since you are clearly not proud enough of you're opinions enough to come out of the closet...but, funny, I just don't recall being 'smoked' in that debate...by anybody!

    You people are funny...you keep hi-fiving yourselves, and declaring yourselves the winner, as if you could possibly be an impartial judge of that.

    Another thing that has gotten old ... I am so sick and tired of hearing about how much damage has went on in Iraq ... can we please here something besides "this went off today", "that went wrong" ... There must be something more to the story than just a casualty list ?!?!?

    Comrade Bison,
    Finishing reading Mao's biography. I mean his your idol.

    mike
    to bad your tar heels got bitch slapped by the ZAGS! i don't think a liberal hick like you can argue that point.oh yeah olbermoron still blows.
    p.s.where oh where has donora pa gone?

    Anon, I really don't know who you are since you are clearly not proud enough of you're opinions enough to come out of the closet...but, funny, I just don't recall being 'smoked' in that debate...by anybody!

    You people are funny...you keep hi-fiving yourselves, and declaring yourselves the winner, as if you could possibly be an impartial judge of that.


    Mike said, we gave al queda exactly what they wanted in Iraq.

    I pointed out his obvious mistake. He came back by making up something i had said. You remember it. Dont say you dont.

    Mike and EE, I have difficulty understanding how you can give such credence and have unquestioning faith in an 'alledged' unbiased journalist, or even a biased one who begins with:

    "Only this president, only in this time, only with this dangerous, even messianic certitude, could answer a country demanding an exit strategy from Iraq, by offering an entrance strategy for Iran.....Only this president could extol the "thoughtful recommendations of the Iraq Study Group," and then take its most far-sighted recommendation -- "engage Syria and Iran" -- and transform it into "threaten Syria and Iran" --"

    Dangerous MESSIAINIC certitude, to take thoughtful far-sighted reccomendation to engage Syria and Iran and transform it to THREATEN Syria and Iran.

    Projection of power is an age old diplomatic strategy. If KO was your only source of info one would think that a meglamaniac had virtually declared war on Syria and Iran in the name of the US.

    Would anyone cite for me when and where a diplomacy of words only defeated any enemy whose sole goal is your death and annilation.

    I realize that you don't approve of or support GWB. No problem with that. My problem is with the degree and depth to the point that you consider him the enemy and not those who are working for your and all of our destuction.

    Please explain it to me.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    TokyoOlbermann !!

    Michael Moore must be pleased.

    What a fink he is.

    Despicbale, Deplorable...Iranian sympathizer

    I didn't know it was possible to be a "Liberal Hick"...thanks for clearing that up for me.

    What is that wierd dialect you are using? Is it jive, street talk, or just plain ignorance?

    and mike, if you care to retort to my point, go ahead. You remember it. Fire away. (and maybe try to keep it on topic instead of branching off into Bush is evil or The war is unjust.)

    Ahem, "we gave Al Queda exactly what they wanted in Iraq."

    go.

    J$, thanks. I will forward the medical bills when they come in. :)

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Grammie,

    I can explain it. It's a disease. I call it "Bush On The Brain".

    Comrade Bison,
    Your probably dense. Hence your name. For the last time I'm Spaniard/Dominican/Puerto-Rican/Sicilian. I know in your racist ignorant brainwashed Marxist mind us Hisoanics are little victims. You seem to forget that under Felipe II we ruled 1/4 of the Earth's landmass. He fough succesful wars against the Ottoman Empire. So my people have a grudge against Muslims. But your brainwashed and think that only Anglo's are capable of dislike. Hey come here to South Florida and I'll introduce you to many Hispanics that hate Muslims. But why bother Pol Pot's re-education camp ate your puny little brain.
    Hey my favorite rice is Morro y Cristiano. You know what that means Commie, Noor and Christian. I wonder why it's called that you brainwashed Marxist?

    "Mike said, we gave al queda exactly what they wanted in Iraq."

    Well, since al-Qaeda consists of Sunnis and Iraq will be run by Shi'a, I don't know how this is giving al-Qaeda anything of substance.

    If the Shi'a totally control Iraq, they'll eventually slaughter any al-Qaeda that operates there.

    Unfortunately, the Shi'a will then align themselves with Iran.

    The dangers are: mass genocide, a takeover by the Shi'a, an alignment of Iraq with Iran, increased Iranian/Shi'a influence, a counter-reaction by the Sunnis elsewhere, and a larger Sunni-Shi'a war leading to the deaths of millions of innocents.

    Too horrible to think about.

    How are all the right-wingers spinning the Republican dissent?

    which part of bitch slap don't you understand.like a true lib skip my comment on your pampered tar heels.maybe your with donora pa making a little extra cash by donating your plasma.whatever it takes to get by.oh yeah olbermoron still blows!!!

    Colbert gets an imaginary cookie for asking the correct question of the evening !!!

    Comrade Bison,
    Persians are Aryan. You thi nk I didn't know that. I know my Islamic enemy. They can be Arab, Black, Persian, Asian and even White. That's why I'm not racist. I Culturalist. I detest that pathetic Suicide cult!

    Comrade Bison,
    Persians are Aryan. You think I didn't know that. I know my Islamic enemy. They can be Arab, Black, Persian, Asian and even White. That's why I'm not racist. I Culturalist. I detest that pathetic Suicide cult!

    "How are all the right-wingers spinning the Republican dissent?"

    I thought this was Olbermann Watch and not Republican dissent watch?

    Read what Henry Adams said about Congressman, especially Senators ("Education of Henry Adams").

    "How are all the right-wingers spinning the Republican dissent?"


    you mean the "i wanna get re-elected regardless of what is best for America and Iraq club." I don't know. Why would they suddenly change their opinions?

    Opinion Poll politics. The nation of leaders, now the leading nation of delegates.

    Colbert,

    Yes, it is true that some Republicans have "gone dingbat". That's my spin of the "Republican dissent".

    "The one that gives money to the terrorist organization Hezbollah.

    The one that is going to abandon the nuclear proliferation act to obtain nuclear power in defiance of the rest of the world.

    But hey, Thanks for giving us their point of view so eloquently, Kieth. Apparently the phrase "death to America" translates into "those silly drunk Americans. Why do they treat us so?"

    Keep up the good work.

    Posted by: Anonymous at January 11, 2007 9:46 PM"

    Anon put Bill or Joe or something if you're going to write this much, their are alot "anon's" here.

    You're obviously deluded into thinking someone other than Bush and Cheney have handed the Iranian mullahs a strangle hold on power in their nation and the region. Before the Bush gang destroyed the power balance of Iraq, the Mullahs were on their way out in Iran. Today it is not so.

    You are completely inverted in your asinine claim that KO is saying positive things about the Iranians. He has on many occasions facetiously thanked the Bush admin for making Iran the powerful influence in the region they are today. Only dumbasses like you fail to see this.

    As to your comment about Iran giving money to Hezbollah, imagine what America's reputation in the world would be today if right after 911 instead of spending $350 billion dollars on destroying Iraq we spent that money turning the Palestinian territory into the most modern nation in the middle east next to Israel. Maybe spend a forth of it out spending Iran in Beirut.

    The outcome would be that the US would be loved in the middle east and it might even be that they would start to think this was a Christian nation - meaning to be Christ-like. They would respect Christianity and Christian people. But evil hate mongers like prefer it the way it is today with more than a hundred thousand dead people in Iraq and hate being at an all time high towards Americans. This is the result of the "South will rise again" effect.

    Bur because this "Christian nation" is overloaded with hate filled ignorant so-called Christians we are a nation scorned. Scorned because of idiots like you who see the world back asswards.

    Being ignorant is your choice - advocate it as my countries foreign policy and you get Buffalo stomped like the rest of the vermin here.

    Ohboy,
    Although the Iraqi Shia hate the Iraqi Sunnis, Iran would prevent the Iraqi Shia from going after Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is aligned with Iran and senior operatives include Bin Laden's son are there.

    Ohboy,
    Although the Iraqi Shia hate the Iraqi Sunnis, Iran would prevent the Iraqi Shia from going after Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is aligned with Iran and senior operatives include Bin Laden's son are there.

    IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET AN OPPOSING VIEW ON THIS SHOW? IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

    CERTAINLY, THE LEFTIES ON THE BOARD MUST WONDER OF OLBYPLANET HAS A IOTA OF OPPOSITION?

    Janet:

    First, lets clear one thing up. In my worldview, there are sworn enemies from without, and dangerously misguided 'enemies' from within. The latter are not 'bad' people, they are just so WRONG, that they can be infinitely dangerous if given too much power.

    Bush is the latter....he's so cocksure he's doing the right thing that virtually no inclusion of reality can desuade him.

    He'll keep leading us ALL over the cliff, some of us trying to run against the stampede, others not sure if they are running in the right direction or not, and some enthusiastically helping to lead the charge.

    Sometimes a society can be destroyed from within far easier than it can be destroyed from without, no matter how well intentioned the the insiders are.

    I believe now is one of those times!

    Olbermann is not the point, and never has been.

    This next statement is going to sound paranoid, looney, and off the wall... but I think that it is truethfull ...

    ... The liberals are in full attack mode --- LITTERALLY ! ! ! Steve Kagan trapped Karl Rove in the Bathroom ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?

    >The outcome would be that the US would be loved in the middle east


    I'm sorry, i couldn't read after this part. I don't talk to psychos.

    Holy Mister Meter Batman !!
    It's higher than the Stcok Market that OLBY refuses to report on !!!

    Comrade Bison,
    You were really brainwashed by Pol Pot's re-education camp.

    "we spent that money turning the Palestinian territory into the most modern nation in the middle east next to Israel"

    Because the US - and the UN - haven't given the Palestinians enough money to build a state?

    I'm sure you're familiar with what has happened to the money provided the PLO over the decades?

    Besides, most of the Palestinians want Israel. They don't want a homeland next to Israel. They want to destroy Israel.

    Some folks, believe it or not, can't be bought off.


    Buffalo,

    If the Palestinians were offered 10 trillion dollars if they were to make peace with Israel they would turn the offer down so fast it would make your head spin.

    Little Feechie: The stock market that is up because of the troop surge ?!? That FOX News propaganda again ...

    Olbermann will be renamed Teheran Keith! Today's speach proved his support of Iran!

    Rico: No, they would take the money but would still keep the fervor pitch up against Israel .

    Mike, dont avoid me. i love you.......and yes. I mean it "that way".

    Hey Bicker,
    the economy is being ignored...

    Al jazeera tactics run NBC.

    What a sad day for American journalism.

    Olbermann is hiding behind the skirt of Dan Abrams.

    PussyKeith...nuff said.

    JTM371:

    Why did I ignor your comment about the Tar Heels?

    Uh, could it be that neither the Tar Heels OR the Zags are of any particularly importtance to the real world?

    Hey Johnny Dollar link to this site it's great!

    http://keitholbermannisevil.wordpress.com/kosdb/

    Was the sulpher I smelled at the anchor desk after speshul comment?

    JTM371:

    Why did I ignor your comment about the Tar Heels?

    Uh, could it be that neither the Tar Heels OR the Zags are of any particularly importtance to the real world?


    No sinner, i'm the al queda debate guy. You know.

    Well ... I think that these news networks need to get their acts together ... I am sick of the propaganda that they all spew and would like an in-context, explanative, and sensible report on this war without all of the shananigans, over hyping, and tripping from the alphabet channels, FOX News Channel, talk radio, here and there, and the rest ...

    "So, I assume you believe that the Iranian attacks on us are legitimate responses? They're the victims? Responding to the US "pokes"?"

    No, I see them as a mean dog that we *know* will bite if provoked. And what are we doing? We're tossing rocks at the mean dog! I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see what that's going to accomplish.

    I'm not saying ignore them or dismiss them. I'm saying there's got to be a way to do things without getting bit.

    I left out grandizing ...

    Uh, could it be that neither the Tar Heels OR the Zags are of any particularly importtance to the real world?


    and thats not nice about the zags. Its so cute how they think they matter.

    And I 'love you' too, anon, I just don't know who you are? It's better that way....no commitment!

    Little Feechie,
    His new name is Teheran Keith!

    And I 'love you' too, anon, I just don't know who you are? It's better that way....no commitment!


    I'm Anon with a capital A. God its like you don't even know me.

    I want a divorce.

    EE,
    "No, I see them as a mean dog that we *know* will bite if provoked. And what are we doing? We're tossing rocks at the mean dog! I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see what that's going to accomplish"

    Shot the dog!

    "Comrade Bison,
    Persians are Aryan. You think I didn't know that. I know my Islamic enemy. They can be Arab, Black, Persian, Asian and even White. That's why I'm not racist. I Culturalist. I detest that pathetic Suicide cult!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 11, 2007 10:11 PM"


    A "culturist"? What a crock of shit. You are what you are - a low life scum who posts racist garbage on this sight and because you are denying it again I am going to re-post your post from last week for the readers to see what kind of an a--hole you are.

    Below is RedWolf's post from January 6th:
    ------------------------------------------------------------


    Rico,
    These jokes will get the Left mad. Hey they can crack Christian jokes right!

    (Q): A deadly snake and a Muslim are both approaching you rapidly, you are a dead shot, you have a gun, but only one bullet, which one do you shoot ?
    (A): The MUSLIM of course !! The snake only bites when provoke. We know the Muslim’s intention.

    I don’t personally have anything against Muslims.
    In fact, I think everyone should own one or two !!

    Q: What do female Muslims use for birth control?
    A: Their faces.

    Q: What’s the difference between a Muslim and a dead horse?
    A. It’s no fun beating a dead horse.

    Q. What’s the difference between an American BBQ and an Islamic BBQ?
    A. In America, Humans roast animals over a fire. In Islam, it’s the other way around.

    Q. What do you say to a Muslim with his arm all the way up a camel’s rump?
    A. “Having car trouble?”

    Q. What’s the difference between Cindy Sheehan and a terrorist enemy?
    A. I don’t know either.

    Q. What’s the difference between Michael Moore and a one ton CARE package?
    A. Michael Moore, if sliced real thin, can feed a larger Afghan village.

    Q: What’s the definition of a virgin in the Middle East?
    A: Any camel that can run faster than an Muslim.

    "Posted by: Red Wolf at January 6, 2007 02:48 AM"

    Sho(o)t the dog!

    Now that was funny!


    The Buffalo ,
    Are you Muslim or Marxist? I'm not ashamed of those jokes so please keep posting them. In fact I'll post some anti-Islamic jokes from Spain! In Spanish!

    mike
    PLEASEEEEEEEE you are so full of crap.who posted tar heels tonight.liberals are all the same they all want to save the world.don't worry i won't pick on you you might be alittle light headed from your plasma donation.oh yeah by the way ignore not ignor maybe you can hire donora pa to spell check for you.oh yeah olbermoron still blows.

    Mikey, please talk to me.

    Red Wolf

    Teheran Keith Fits !

    Comrade Bison,
    Since when Muslims are a race? Please expali?

    Buffalo,

    You have no response so you change the topic. Brilliant!

    Keith Olbermann does not want to save the world ... I think that he would just be happier with Katy (although ... I have not heard of her very much, recently...)

    "No, I see them as a mean dog that we *know* will bite if provoked. And what are we doing? We're tossing rocks at the mean dog! I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see what that's going to accomplish."

    Well, they've been nipping at us for decades. Isn't it possible, perhaps, that the reason they've been biting us is because they know they won't get hit with a newspaper?

    I'll agree that we need to do everything we can to avoid a direct conflict.

    But let's remember whose causing this dogfight.

    Since when wer WASPs a race ?!?

    Anon, I CAN'T talk to you now, my wife is in the room!

    Who is even going to miss I'm-a-demon-dad once he is in Guantanimo, already ?!?!?

    Rico,
    Mr Bison was brainwashed by the Communist youth. It's not his fault.

    mike
    don't you know your barn animals are suppose to stay out in the barn.

    When will Teheran Keith do his next pro-Iran speech?

    Anon, I CAN'T talk to you now, my wife is in the room!

    A wife, huh?

    Well, nobodys perfect.

    "In advocating and prosecuting this war he passed on a chance to get Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi."

    Huh? I guess you didn't get the memo that we killed Al-Zarqawi.

    "To get Muqtada Al-Sadr."

    So you want us to take out Al-Sadr?

    "To get Bin Laden."

    Really? You want us to get Bin Laden eh? That's going to be tough being that you don't want us tracking terrorist phone calls or finances, or how you only want our soldiers asking terrorists for their name, rank, and jihad number. You are angry with President Bush for not getting Bin Laden. Are you also angry at President Clinton for not getting Bin Laden? You work at NBC, so I'm pretty sure you have seen that Exclusive NBC Video of real time video taken by a military aircraft showing Bin Laden. There he was. Right there. Just push the button and he's dead. That button was never pushed. Did that make you angry Keith? I guess not. Instead, you take your anger out on the journalist who asked President Clinton if he had done all he could to take out Bin Laden. You called that journalist a "monkey".

    ""So, I assume you believe that the Iranian attacks on us are legitimate responses? They're the victims? Responding to the US "pokes"?"

    No, I see them as a mean dog that we *know* will bite if provoked. And what are we doing? We're tossing rocks at the mean dog! I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see what that's going to accomplish.

    I'm not saying ignore them or dismiss them. I'm saying there's got to be a way to do things without getting bit.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 11, 2007 10:26 PM"

    Look, right after 911 the people of Iran were sending this nation it's sympathies and the government of Iran was dealing with protests in the streets because their people hated the Mullahs so much.

    Then the a--holes pulling Bush's puppet strings invaded Iraq (that's right next to Iran for you idiots) and that put an end to the people of Iran seeing us as victims of hate and aggression and turned us into a nation of invaders after oil riches.

    Anyone that talks about KO "liking" Iranian aggression is obviously desperate for ammo on this page. Total dumb asses - all you have to do is see how RedWolf jumps on this band wagon to know your an idiot to go with this theme!

    Iran is the power broker it is today because of the Bush administrations policies. No if ands or buts about it.

    If you voted for Bush you are the ones who are ultimately responsible for Iran becoming as powerful as they are now. This is the realities of living in a democracy. Your vote means something!

    So the next time you speak of Iran and you voted for Bush then remember - YOU'RE AN a--hole!

    When will Teheran Keith do his next pro-Iran speech?


    I dont know, but it will probably be in Farce.

    (I spelt farce wrong, didn't I? Son of a bitch! I try to insult a guy and i f--- it up.)

    Comarde Bison,
    We can wipe Iran off the map!

    The Buffalo, paragraph no. 1: Was Ahmadenijad president then ?

    Iran is arming the insurgency and the lefties want to talk with them. Ok let's talk...

    A verb and a pronoun.

    A verb and a pronoun.


    is "you" a pronoun?

    Red Wolf: I disagree with you there ... we do not have enough nuclear - know-how to blo up an island with out wiping out all kinds of near-by American interests ...

    Whoa Buffalo; Some of us anti Bush people actually did vote for Bush in 2000....when he vowed he was against nation building, and called himself a fiscal and social conservative.

    I ask for forgiveness every day for casting that vote.

    "right after 911 the people of Iran were sending this nation it's sympathies and the government of Iran was dealing with protests in the streets because their people hated the Mullahs so much"

    Unfortunately, the people of Iran don't make their country's policies.

    Isn't that the problem?

    Not just Bush, for crissakes.

    Okay, Bush's policies have exacerbated the problem. But the problem existed before he became president and will be there after he leaves.

    This Bush-is-the-cause-of-every-problem is not going to cut it anymore, my friend. It's really getting tiresome.

    Olbermann's 15 minutes are about up.

    Mike: I wish that I never voted for John Kerry ( of course ... that was long after I voted did not vote for Al - Gore ... )

    Iran sympathetic after 9/11?
    surely, you jest...You actually believed that crock or crapola?

    Mike, thanks for the answer. I fully understand the point you are trying to make. But 'misguided insiders' are not the equivalent of 'sworn enemies' from the outside to me.

    You are essentially saying that GWB and those who support his policies are the REAL enemy. If we just stop 'what?' we can go back to more normal and peaceful days when those sworn enemies will go back to fighting and killing each other and each other and forget about us.

    At the risk of invoking Godwin's rule, did that happen in the 1930's? Who was the misguided insider and who was the sworn enemy?

    Did that happen in 1861. Who was the misguided insider and who was the sworn enemy?

    Give me some examples that underpin your belief that GWB and his supporters are the misguided insiders and Islmofascism (Godwin again, damn it) is the sworn enemy. What historical events do you base your belief on?

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    I disagree with you there ... we do not have enough nuclear - know-how to blo up an island with out wiping out all kinds of near-by American interests ...


    Not endorsing this measure by any means, but we do have hydrogen bombs small enough to stay inside Iran. The rest can be taken with the traditional bombing.

    As for American interests, Iraq is down-wind from Iran, so that would be a bitch.

    surely, you jest...You actually believed that crock or crapola?

    Well, there's this mythical world that the left has created right after 9/11.

    Right after those attacks, the entire world was sympathetic to the US. Everyone cared for our losses.

    And into this Eden, came the big bad Bush and the big bad neocons to destroy this love and goodwill.

    Now, of course this ignores the fact that the majority of those who were saddened about 9/11 also thought the our policies caused those attacks. And that we needed to change our policies to prevent future attacks.

    And it ignores the fact that many in the Islamic world cheered those attacks. Especially the radical Islamists.

    But, dreams die hard.

    Janet Hawkins: I am supposed to be the1 playing both sides on tonight's debate ...

    Condi Rice got bitch slapped around today by both democrats and republicans.If only George Bush could have been in that seat instead.

    The battle in Washington is no longer the Republicans fighting the Democrats, it's the legislative branch fighting the executive branch.

    10-12 Republicans have stated strong objections - to outrage over Bush's plan for escalating the war.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the country is becoming more and worried that Chimpy is going to start yet another war, this time with Iran.

    The insanity levels are boiling over in the Oval Office.

    Meanwhile, Condi, in a moment of weakness revealed that she "loved her Fox News guys..every single one of them."

    Good to see the Secretary of State for the United States of America expressing her gratitude for Fox News' loyal service and total partiality in being an official branch of the Bush White House.

    This Bush White House has turned into the "theater of the absurb" !

    Now back to slamming KO for having the audacity to notice.

    KEITH OLBERMANN ... Edward R. Murrow (wanabe)

    history lesson for the children
    the US did a coup on Iran in 1953 overthoughing
    their elected prez and setup the Shaw whom was one nasty M Fer. So now they hate us.
    Don't even start with , so you are siding with Iran. Just letting U know they may have reason!

    "Really? You want us to get Bin Laden eh? That's going to be tough being that you don't want us tracking terrorist phone calls or finances, or how you only want our soldiers asking terrorists for their name, rank, and jihad number. Posted by: James at January 11, 2007 10:41 PM"

    Crock of shit! Bin Laden is not calling this nation. Your Rush Limbaugh rhetoric is nonsense. Anyone that is such a coward that they would exchange their liberties for feeling safe (as opposed to actually being in danger) deserves neither.

    You should have listened better in your history class. What kind of person ignores the sacrifices that were made for our civil liberties in the manner you do?

    A Rush Limbaugh listener that's who!


    At the risk of invoking Godwin's rule, did that happen in the 1930's? Who was the misguided insider and who was the sworn enemy?


    God, could you imagine if this board honored the rules of Godwin's law. We could never have a discussion get past the second post.


    "And yet -- without any authorization from the public, which spoke so loudly and clearly to you in November's elections --........"

    Guess the public spoke in muffled tones to the newly elected majority in the house and senate. Maybe the new majority heard and will hold a s"symbolic" vote.

    Janet:

    Let me give you an an example that might better illustrate how some of us view Bush, and why we think he is so dangerous to our own security, and to the world's:

    Imagine for a moment that Red Wolf were president and, more chillingly, Commander in Chief!

    How safe would you feel then?

    Now do you understand?

    "KEITH OLBERMANN ... Edward R. Murrow (wanabe)

    Posted by: Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker] in Technicolor at January 11, 2007 10:56 PM"

    [Us Bicker] an Olbermann Watch bickerer wannabe!

    Rico, I'm sorry but I must disagre:

    "Buffalo,

    If the Palestinians were offered 10 trillion dollars if they were to make peace with Israel they would turn the offer down so fast it would make your head spin.

    Posted by: Rico at January 11, 2007 10:20 PM"

    They would take the money and use it to destroy Israel and us.

    Brings a new meaning to the phrase 'laughing all the way to the bank'.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "Keith Olbermann does not want to save the world ... I think that he would just be happier with Katy (although ... I have not heard of her very much, recently...)"

    ROFLMAO! Let's get real here. Katy's usefulness to Keith will be over once (if) he signs his new contract with MSNBC. She's nothing more to him than an easy, guaranteed lay and a good PR cover to make him seem more normal in light of his email/one-night "man on fan" scandal while he's trying to renegotiate his contract with the network. She'll be history once he signs that new contract, (if he signs a new contract.) MSNBC will be idiots if they don't put an iron-clad morals clause in his contract though. He's trouble waiting to happen and after a few months of forced domesticity with Ms. Tur, he'll be chomping at the bit to get his freak back on. Once that deal is inked, the best she can hope for is a first-class ticket back to La-La land and some lovely parting gifts.


    >Brings a new meaning to the phrase 'laughing all the way to the bank'.

    That was very clever.

    Anonymous: I agree with you. This is not the time for that symbolic vote. I do not like Nancy Pelosi and her shananigans, (although ... I am quite taken by Charles Rangel ... )

    Grammie,

    I meant if they weren't allowed to cheat. But notice how the lefties still think that a little moolah will buy off the natives, as if that's ever worked before.

    And to Iran and Syria -- and, yes, also to the insurgents in Iraq -- we must look like a country run by the equivalent of the drunken pest who gets battered to the floor of the saloon by one punch, then staggers to his feet, and shouts at the other guy's friends, "Ok, which one of you is next?"

    The drunken pest describes Olbermann well in his ratings fight with O'Reilly.

    While there are many good reasons to bash Keith, he does not have any Arab heritage or Jewish either for that matter. He has stated he is German-French-European descent. I don't think you can look at his ethnic origins as indicators of his political leanings. All we have to do to detect those is watch his slanted, biased programming every night.

    "Janet:

    Let me give you an an example that might better illustrate how some of us view Bush, and why we think he is so dangerous to our own security, and to the world's:

    Imagine for a moment that Red Wolf were president and, more chillingly, Commander in Chief!

    How safe would you feel then?

    Now do you understand?

    Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2007 10:59 PM"
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    So few words that make a point so well. This is about the most significant point I have read on this page to date.

    Mike you are brilliant. Redwolf may very well be George Bush for all we know.

    I honestly can't see much difference between the idiots who support Bush and Bush himself.

    Right on!

    Rico,

    That beebee you shot at me cannot penetrate my Gator skin. Yeah, orange and blue may not be the most likeable color combination to those unfortunate many not part of the Gator Nation, but it is the color of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (hoops and football)!

    CHOMP! CHOMP!

    "Some of us anti Bush people actually did vote for Bush in 2000" - Mike

    I'm with you on this, Mike. I would do anything to go back to 2000 and cast my vote for Gore. With as close as the election was in Florida, I still cannot forgive myself.

    Condi did great today... Hagel is a wuss.

    "the US did a coup on Iran in 1953 overthoughing"

    False. There was no coup since the then government was illegal.

    The Shah, as was permitted under the constitutional monarchy in Iran, dismissed the then Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. He refused to leave as was required by the Constitution and then forced the King to flee the country.

    While in exile, the US and Great Britain assisted the Shah and his supporters in Iraq in removing Mossadegh from power and putting the King back into his rightful position as Monarch.

    Mossadegh was arrested, held for three years and then released.

    Repeat: Mossadegh refused to abide by the constitution and leave his position after being ordererd to do so by the legal head of state, the Shah.

    Janet:

    As for Godwin's rule, I try to avoid using Nazi analogies in this kind of a debate, because the possibilities, and misunderstandings are endless.

    It doesn't mean I don't think about it....often.

    "He has stated he is German-French-European descent. I don't think you can look at his ethnic origins as indicators of his political leanings. All we have to do to detect those is watch his slanted, biased programming every night.

    Posted by: KAF at January 11, 2007 11:03 PM"

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    And why is there any discussion about KO's heritage? Because some racist low life injected it into the discussion. And what side of the discussion does such ignorance originate?

    You guessed it - the Republican side. Your silence to his racist garbage means you don't mind sharing in the same attributes.

    Idiots!

    EE, what happens when that mad dog gets loose in the house or on the streets without being poked. Tip toe around him and give him more and more free range and hope like hell he doesn't bite US.

    The only safe way to deal with a mad dog is to put him down.

    Bad analogy.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    KO's heritage?

    He's from OlbyPlanet.

    Little Feechie dissing his fellow republican!
    How funny is that !

    You have the whole world against Bushco in the bunker, and the Little Little Feechie is proud to be huddling in the corner with them.

    Good to know where you're loyalites lie !

    Meanwhile Great Britain came out today and said that they were pulling out 3,000 of their troops by May.

    KAF,
    "German-French-European "
    What kind of European? There are Muslim Albanians and Bosnian. For the French part, North Africa was controlled by Franc. Maybe his mom was French Muslim. Or just plain French! That's it he's French! That explains his pro-Islamic leanings.
    Teheran Keith is a Iranian sympathizer!

    Red Wolf,

    We don't want to wipe Iran off the map. Millions of Iranians, maybe even a majority, hate their government. How about we destroy Iran's ability to go to war with anybody and leave it at that?

    "Hagel is a wuss"- L.F.

    I love how you wingnuts turn on your own if they have a thought outside of the far right. Hagel is a combat veteran (earned his CIB and a purple heart) that would still gut a person if they had the courage to say this same statement to him in person. He was willing to go to a war our president was too drunk to attend.

    Keith Olbermann's choices in the matter :


    Ol' Big Mac

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    Katy gets dumped... \ Olbermann has kids
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    Olbermann Watch as a Liberal |
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    That looked a lot better on the lil' screen .

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice let slip her news media preferences Thursday, saying, "I love every single one" of Fox News network's correspondents and also favors CBS anchor Harry Smith.

    In comments overheard on an open microphone between morning television interviews, including one with Fox, the top U.S. diplomat said: "My Fox guys, I love every single one of them."

    But Rice told an aide that when she was next in Iraq she would like to do a "one-on-one" interview with CBS "The Early Show" anchor Harry Smith.

    That very night while drinking heavily in a Baghdad watering hole, after a day shopping for the latest fashions on Main Street, she said she would like to do a threesome with Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity " to thank them personally for all of their sucking up, I mean support "

    Rico,
    I was just trying to get the Lefties upset. The best way to take on Iran is to help the opposition groups bring doen the governmant. If need be help fund an insurgency there!

    "While in exile, the US and Great Britain assisted the Shah and his supporters in Iraq in removing Mossadegh from power and putting the King back into his rightful position as Monarch.
    Posted by: Ohboy at January 11, 2007 11:05 PM"
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    And the people of Iran loved us ever since?

    Total hog wash garbage.

    Here is the Wikipedia background on the British and American interference of Iranian sovereignty.


    From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

    In the midst of World War II in 1941, Nazi Germany had begun Operation Barbarossa and invaded the Soviet Union, which broke the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact. The act had a huge impact on Iran, as the country had technically declared neutrality. However, Iran had maintained good relations with Nazi Germany and was seen as a potential member of the Axis. Thus a preventive invasion was staged by the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union.

    During the subsequent military occupation, the Allies forced Reza Shah to abdicate in favor of his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. He replaced his father on the throne on September 16, 1941. It was hoped that the younger prince would be more open to influence from the pro-Allied West, which later proved to be the case.

    Subsequent to his succession as Shah, Iran became a major conduit for British, and later, American aid to the USSR during the war. This massive supply effort became known as the Persian Corridor, and marked the first large-scale American and Western involvement in Iran, an involvement that would continue to grow until the successful revolution against the Iranian monarchy in 1979.

    more truth from keith.

    "He has trumpeted the turning points: The fall of Baghdad; the death of Uday and Qusay; the capture of Saddam; A provisional government; a charter; a constitution; the trial of Saddam; elections; purple fingers; another government; the death of Saddam.

    He has assured us: we would be greeted as liberators with flowers; as they stood up, we would stand down. We would stay the course; we were never about "stay the course." We would never have to go door-to-door in Baghdad. And last night, that to gain Iraqis' trust, we would go door-to-door in Baghdad.

    He told us the enemy was Al-Qaeda, foreign fighters, terrorists, Baathists, and now Iran and Syria.

    The war would pay for itself. It would cost 1.7 billion dollars. 100 billion. 400 billion. Half a trillion. Last night's speech alone cost another six billion.

    And after all of that, now it is his credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November, and the majority of the American people."

    Indierek

    Hagel is worried about his own hide.
    It's called RE-ELECTION.

    Codas,
    Keith is an Iranian propaganda agent. He's pro-Iran. His code name is Teheran Keith!

    Indierik,

    Look how the left turned on Joe Lieberman.

    And let me remind you that W did serve in the National Guard. Bill Clinton was drafted. Remember? Bubba then wrote a letter to his draft board asking them to "undraft" him because he was going to join the ROTC the next year in school. But he bailed out. President Clinton went to war, of course. He had bombs dropped on the former Yugoslavia and he bombed Iran during the "Wag The Dog" episode. How come nobody's calling him names about it?

    "
    At the risk of invoking Godwin's rule, did that happen in the 1930's? Who was the misguided insider and who was the sworn enemy?


    God, could you imagine if this board honored the rules of Godwin's law. We could never have a discussion get past the second post.


    Posted by: ANONOPOTOMUS at January 11, 2007 10:57 PM"

    I didn't say the magic words. Think Churchill vs Chamberlain and the rest of the non aryan world.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    A draft doesn't sound so 'wussy' to me...

    Hagel has been vehemently against this war since it's inception, you blind ball sucking neo-con.

    You don't know shit.

    "Total hog wash garbage.

    Here is the Wikipedia background on the British and American interference of Iranian sovereignty."

    What part was "hog wash garbage"?

    My source was Wikipedia too along with two other sources.

    Reader's Digest version:
    The Shah, as the constitutional head of state, dismissed the Prime Minister. He had the authority to do so.

    The Prime Minister refused to leave.

    The Prime Minister tried to illegally take over the country and forced the King to leave.

    The US and Great Britain helped the King by giving support to his allies in Iran. They, along with the military, removed the Prime Minister and put the King back into his rightful position as head of the nation.

    Facts is facts. Sorry if they make you upset.

    Comarde Bison,Not only are a braindead marxists you're also Pro-Iran? I guess you like Islamic Fascists! Hey your new name is The Persian Camel!

    Be kind to Little Feechie, he's dealing with a tiny little brain.

    Ha Ha douchebag.

    Look how the left turned on Joe Lieberman.

    Posted by: Rico at January 11, 2007 11:19 PM

    Lieberman is a republican. He loves them. He needs their aproval and their pats on the back. Yeah our boy Joe. He's the reason Gore lost.

    Why is it so hard to get an opposing point of view on Olby planet? Is this the BIGGEST WUSS to ever take the airwaves?

    Redwolf,
    It's obvious you're a kid and have never learned anything about U.S.-Israeli relations or U.S. Arab relations. Maybe you should read up on history so you don't continually making a total ass out of yourself. Your stupidity provides us all humor but at some point you might want to stop being a complete joke and be able to have an adult conversation.

    Gore did not lose. Gore won today ... Gore is 100% in the info-part of the war on global warming ... and I think this is his destiny ...

    "Rico,
    I was just trying to get the Lefties upset. The best way to take on Iran is to help the opposition groups bring doen the governmant. If need be help fund an insurgency there!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 11, 2007 11:17 PM"

    Now I am convinced Redwolf is really George Bush!

    Your a brilliant mind. It's too bad West Point doesn't have you training their officers.

    The $350 billion dollars Bush blew on Iraq (war profiteering for your buddies is expensive) could have bought off every group that hated America in the middle east. All we had to do was spend that on the Palestinians and this nation would be loved more than ever by the people of Iran as well as most of the other middle east nations.

    But instead the so called Christians in this nation have no clue what it means to be Christ like. They pooh pooh Jimmy Carter as weak and anyone else who would work towards good for achieving good things.

    Low lifes like you vote so this nation still has a long way to go before our leaders are something better than criminals like Bush!

    L.F.- Hagel's been making statements against the Iraq War since mid-2005. This was well before anyone knew how being pro-Iraq War was going to devestate the Repubs in the 2006 elections. Plus, he was re-elected in 2002 with 80% of the votes, so I doubt he's sweating about not getting the nod in 08.

    GO GATORS!!!

    Hagel hasn't been one of the ass kissing republicans. He actually has a conscience.
    You know who the others are, the ones who have been wrong about the war ...like YOU !

    Will Keith Olbermann give a posetive Special Comment on that Meteor tha almost hit us ?!?!?

    Mike, that is a cop out.

    "Imagine for a moment that Red Wolf were president and, more chillingly, Commander in Chief"

    In fact, I would be ashamed for Bob and Buffalo if they used that.

    If you don't have an historical precedent to illustrate your point, that's fine. I assume you are winging it and that glib response sounds good to you. It only reinforces my belief that much of this opposition is based on a visceral emotional reaction, popularly known as BDS.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    J$- Your server seems to be moving quick for once. Did you finally open up your wallet or did your employer Bill O'Reilly spring for it? (Just kiddin')

    Thank God none of you lefties were around on D-Day....We'd be passing out crying towels and speaking German.

    What a bunch of whining liberal wussies.

    Keith Olbermann is going to have to spice-up his Special Comments ... frankly ... I am not going to buy a book that is just the summation of everything that I am constantly hearing on - air all of the time, anyway ...

    If you add up Little Little Feechie's and Big Bad Red Wolf's IQ points you get the equivilence of a baboon.

    Little Feechie: Unlike in today's age in which no agents --- like 7 --- speak Arabic or Fahrse at all!!!

    Thank God none of you righties were around on D-Day....You'd have been sitting on this side of the Atlantic telling the Germans how tough you are and not putting your own asses on the line.

    What a bunch of whining liberal wussies.

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 11, 2007 11:29 PM

    No. It's the little grumpy insecure dogs that make all the noise. Like you. The big dogs know they can kick ass if they want to.

    LF,
    It's sad almost no right-wingers are smart enough to realize liberals (FDR and Truman) won WWII.

    "I disagree with you there ... we do not have enough nuclear - know-how to blo up an island with out wiping out all kinds of near-by American interests ..."

    What is that bomb called, oh what is it? I got it:

    neutron bomb
    –noun
    a nuclear bomb designed to release radiation consisting mainly of neutrons, thus causing extensive loss of life but relatively little damage to buildings and property and only brief radioactive contamination.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Throw in Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie's subtle arrogance and you get a three headed George Bush.

    "and not putting your own asses on the line."

    Where in Afghanistan are you posting from?

    I assume you joined up to fight al-Qaeda after 9/11?

    Wouldn't want to be called a "chickenhawk" would you?

    "Reader's Digest version:
    The Shah, as the constitutional head of state, dismissed the Prime Minister. He had the authority to do so."

    And the fact that the "Allies" held a figurative gun to his head while he did his dismissing means nothing to a propagandist like yourself.

    Look, no need to debate this. The people of Iran are just like Americans and everyone else. Only "granie" and RedWolf think differently.

    The people of Iran were told to hate us in 1979 and they learned later that the religious fundamentalists in their country were the true evil a--holes (as they are here and anywhere else) and they understood that the Mullahs were their true enemy.

    The Iranian people were actively resisting their government when the genius team of Bush and Cheney decided to grab the center of the planets richest oil reserves. Now the Iranian people feel disgusted with this nation. Just when they had hope of freeing themselves from the grip of evil (religous fundamentalists) our nation's religious fundamentalists through gas on a fire.

    Such is the history religion when ever and where ever you go.

    Rico, I know what you meant. I hoped to , miraclousy, penetrate any thick skull out there.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Colbert:

    FDR was a president but made many more mistakes than Bush. Care to start with the Japanese Americans? He certainly screwed them. Then he shut down the media. A fink like Olbermann never would have gone on the air
    in WW2

    Colbert,
    I know about Islamic history more than you. My ancestors in Spain and Sicily were almost wiped out by the Jihadists. My Fiance is Israeli so I know more about this than you. Your probably some burnt out Hippie who belives Islami is a religion of peace right? Well Islam is like Cancer, unless you cut it spreads. Everywhere where Islam borders another civilization there's a conflict. But like all PC brainwashed Leftwing Anglos you don't see that this war began when Islamic Jihadis attacked the Eastern Roman Empire in 636 AD at the battle of the Yarmuk. You better read some history yourself!

    Tonights show proved Olbermann's support of Iran instead of pointing out all of Iranina backed terrorist acts, he gets mad America might actually stand up those Persian Savages!
    I really wish we could stop using oil so Persians and Arabs can become harmless rug sellers!

    "Now the Iranian people feel disgusted with this nation. Just when they had hope of freeing themselves from the grip of evil (religous fundamentalists) our nation's religious fundamentalists through gas on a fire."

    And what evidence do you have that the great mass of Iranian people have turned against the US since the evil Bush attained the presidency?

    From everything I've read, most of the Iranian people are pro-US and want more freedom and hate the mullahs.

    They've not turned against us because of Bush.

    Do you have anything to cite that indicates otherwise?

    And again, the Prime Minister of Iran in 1953 (Mossadegh) illegally held on to power. The King dismissed him. He refused to leave. We helped the King get back his power.

    Beside, you don't really think that the radical Mullah in Iran hate the US because of events in 1953? They hate us because we oppose their radical brand of Islam. They hate us because of our freedoms and our beliefs which are antithetical to their radical ideology.

    If they were in power in 1953, they would have cut Mossadegh's head off.

    Janet Hawkin: The Neutron Bomb ... great suggestion ... why that is the one that only leaves clothes behind! You know what will happen then, don't you ... those propaganda-meisters over in the make Arab - people angry sector of the terrorists are going to take the remains like clothing, religious items, and identafiables and they are going to go throughout the whole entire middle eastern world or their locales and they are going to parade them around worse than the supposedly liberal media parades around the aftermaths of violance. Next, those guys are going to take out there Qur' an and point to some vague prophecy that is supposed to predict what has happened and everybody in that part of the world is going to be on the same religious fervor that was had when that cartoon was drawn --- only worse.

    Throw in Little Little Feechie's tiny little brain, Big Bad Red Wolf's child-like ignorance, and Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie's subtle arrogance and condescension to those much smarter than she and you have the perfect model for the "Discredited Neo-Con of the Year.

    FDR was a president but made many more mistakes than Bush. Care to start with the Japanese Americans? He certainly screwed them. Then he shut down the media. A fink like Olbermann never would have gone on the air
    in WW2


    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 11, 2007 11:39 PM

    Your stupid.

    Little Feechie : FDR was a president but made many more mistakes than Bush.


    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Bush couldn't shine FDR's shoes.

    FDR has gone down as one of America's best presidents, while GWB has already gone down in history has one of the worse, with 2 more years to sink even lower.

    Little brain indeed !

    Donora...

    FDR made a lot of mistakes. He was a great president through it all. You liberal pussies have no backbone. Go hide behind your mama's apron.

    FDR fu cked the Japanese Americans and CENSORED the media. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

    You libs are in la la land.

    why do u care what my name is: Or a talking Chupacabra.

    LF,
    FDR didn't make more mistakes than Bush. FDR won WWII. He also didn't shut down the media. I do disagree with the Japanese internment though. Bush hasn't done hardly anything right.

    It's strange Iranians are pro American, but Teheran Keith and Damascus Matthews are pro-Iran! I say send them to Iran to be with their buddies.

    "FDR was a president but made many more mistakes than Bush. Care to start with the Japanese Americans? He certainly screwed them. Then he shut down the media. A fink like Olbermann never would have gone on the air"

    Bingo. Home run.

    FDR rounded up more than 100,000 Americans - Japanese-Americans, Italian-Americans, German-Americans - and put them into camps. Zero rights. No habeas corpus rights for them.

    He also denied habeas corpus to captured Germans.

    He had total censorship of the press covering the war.

    If Olbermann were around in 1942, FDR would have had him taken off the air.

    But Bush is the president who has taken away more liberties than any other president in the past 100 years according to Olbermann.

    He's a historical illiterate.

    From CNN,
    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice let slip her news media preferences Thursday, saying, "I love every single one" of Fox News network's correspondents and also favors CBS anchor Harry Smith.

    Like I have said many times. Fox is the whitehouse press secretary, and you people bitch about Keith. No integrity from the right at all. Propoganda is all you spout.

    FDR made hard choices.. You libs adored him...I do too. It's not easy being president. FDR delivered, but he screwed the Japanese Americans and CENSORED the Press. If you're going to deny that happened, all hope os lost for the lefties.

    Manical an delusional. My candidate for all time is:

    BUFFALO

    I defy anyone to top this:

    "own security, and to the world's:

    Imagine for a moment that Red Wolf were president and, more chillingly, Commander in Chief!
    "How safe would you feel then?

    Now do you understand?

    Posted by: Mike at January 11, 2007 10:59 PM"
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    So few words that make a point so well. This is about the most significant point I have read on this page to date.

    Mike you are brilliant. Redwolf may very well be George Bush for all we know.

    I honestly can't see much difference between the idiots who support Bush and Bush himself.

    Right on!

    Posted by: The Buffalo at January 11, 2007 11:03 PM"

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Donaora,
    Teheran Keith is propagand for the Iranian Ayatollahs!

    George Goober Bush has made more mistakes in 6 years than all the presidents in the past 40 years combined, and that obviously includes Nixon.

    Little Feechie should get back to his multiplication homework and then off to bed.

    "Where in Afghanistan are you posting from?"

    Afghanistan? Does the US still have troops there? Or have they all been sent to Iraq yet?

    I served (honorably) in the Army after high school. I also contacted/met with the local Army recruiter to re-up in early 2002 (7.5 years after getting out). I changed my mind after your butt boy Bush started talking CRAZY about Iraq. I wonder how many other recruits turned around after our prez took his eye off the ball? I know it's hard for you wingnuts to think that all folks that served must be behind Bush, but guess what? WE'RE NOT!!!

    And here's another wonderful item our prez brought to a dear friend of mine- HE JUST FOUND OUT THIS WEEK HIS CURRENT TOUR IN IRAQ HAS BEEN EXTENDED FROM 60-180 DAYS!

    Grammie,
    Buffalo is a frustrated Marxist who cried when the Berlin Wall fell. He's now allied himself with the Islamo-Fascists. That's why my Muslim jokes bothered him. I mocked his allies. He go to bed everynight and kiss a picture of Mao and then his new hero martyr Zarqawi!

    I also contacted/met with the local Army recruiter to re-up in early 2002 (7.5 years after getting out). I changed my mind after your butt boy Bush started talking CRAZY about Iraq.

    So by your standard - YOUR standard, not mine - you're a chickenhawk?

    You support the war in Afghanistan - we're fighting the Taliban and al-qaeda right now - but refuse to serve?

    These are YOUR rules I'm using; not mine.

    The Great FDR made tough choices and won the war.
    Bush is doing the same thing.

    But you leftist finks don't care. The guy admited mistakes were made in the war...not good enough for the lefties...blood is in the water...political posturing....self interest takes hold..2008 elections are driving the democrats...world is safer...homeland not attacked, economy chugging along...does not matter

    by the way, what the f uck was pelosi wearing yesterday in the photo shoot? Was that a blanket from her den???

    In 2004, George Mason University polled 415 presidential historians and found 80 per cent considered Bush's first term a failure. More than half considered it the worst presidency since the Great Depression. More than a third called it the worst in 100 years. Eleven per cent said it was the worst ever. Robert McElvaine, a professor of history at Millsaps College in Mississippi, says scores would likely be worse if the poll were repeated today. "When I filled out that survey I said Bush was the worst since Buchanan [1857-61], but things have gotten worse and now I'd have to consider him the worst ever," McElvaine says. "If you look at the situation he inherited, and the situation following 9/11, he had great opportunities and he basically squandered them. He has put the future of the country in a much more precarious position than it was when he became president."

    Obviously you haven't kept up with all the scientific advances spearheaded by Karl OoOoOoOo Kove.

    "Throw in Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie's subtle arrogance and you get a three headed George Bush.

    Posted by: Anonymous at January 11, 2007 11:33 PM"

    As a special devotee I have three brains in one head.

    Ta Ta!

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Little Feechie,
    She was wearning a Burka without head covering. She's getting ready for her Islamic masters to take over!

    Many surveys have been conducted in order to construct rankings of the success of individuals who have served as President of the United States. Ranking systems are usually based on surveys of academic historians and political scientists or popular opinion. The rankings focus on the presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults (such as corruption).

    Three Presidents—George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt—are consistently ranked at the top of the lists. Usually ranked just below those three are Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt. The remaining "top 10" ranks are often rounded out by Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower and James K. Polk. In recent polls, James Monroe, James Madison, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan have sometimes been ranked in the "top 10". Ranking at the bottom of most polls are Warren G. Harding, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan. George W. Bush ranks low in recent public polls.

    > KO's speshul comment is odios enough without being double posted.

    You are so correct. My apologies for anyone who may have been made ill by the double posting. It has been fixed.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at January 11, 2007 9:50 PM

    ==============================================

    Johnny Dollar double posted Keith Olbermann's special comment?!?

    Maybe God was trying to tell yo all something !?!

    Here we go the Lefties are now Bashing Bush. Embarassed by Tehrean Kieths' Pro Iran rant tonight. It's bash Bush time. Why don't you guys start Bushwatch? I'll evan join you in Bush bashing! This site is about Olbermann!

    Teheran Keith was off tonight. Not enough piss and vinegar...too many pivots...not enough vomit on the set during speshul comment.

    Hey KO, how about ONE dissenting point of view?
    All the leftist finks have had a lot of fun with me tonight, but refuse to answer the simple question as to why PussyKeith won't put an opposing view on his show??

    Why Keith? Why? Keith is quite happy on OlbyPlanet without dissent. God forbid, he gets an opposing view.

    As a special devotee I have three brains in one head.

    Ta Ta!

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    No, you were coupled with the simpleton Feechie and the snot nosed Red Wolf for the three headed disgraced neocon.

    Red Wolf: DON'T YOU DARE BASH MY PRESIDENT .

    "You support the war in Afghanistan - we're fighting the Taliban and al-qaeda right now - but refuse to serve?"

    Ohboy, I think you know more about The Service than you're letting on to, but I'll tell you how it works- after you put that black ink on the paper you can't tell the Army "I'm willing to go to Asscrackistan, but I'm not going to Iraq." Once you're in, your ass belongs to them.

    "I assume you joined up to fight al-Qaeda after 9/11?

    Wouldn't want to be called a "chickenhawk" would you?

    Posted by: Ohboy at January 11, 2007 11:34 PM"

    Last I checked Al-qaeda is on the rise in Afghanistan. The fight against Al-qaeda can not be won with bullets and bombs. Haven't you learned a thing from the last 3 years wasted in Iraq.

    $350 billion wasted on Iraq could have been spent better in the real battle against Al-qaeda - getting this nation off it's addiction to foreign oil. Instead the oil companies are raking in record profits and SUV's fill this nation's highways with yellow ribbons cynically stuck on their backsides.

    Now if the environmentalist had their way none of the aggression in the middle east would as necessary. Oil addiction is motivating factor behind Bin Laden's attitude. We have too much need to control the oil rich regions of this planet. GM and Chevron are the main reason another 3000 Americans had to die. Your propaganda only encourages these corporations to subvert our democracy. You're a tool!

    Your Fox News bullshit makes no sense.

    Someone tell Red Wolf that Bush is being bashed in every town and most households in America and beyond tonight.

    For reasons only unknown to him.

    Iran and Syria are no longer sacred cows. A few airstrikes to stop the flow of weapons is not a bad idea.

    But the wussies want to talk...O let's talk with Iran...the Holocaust denyers... You guys missed your Lithium dose tonight.

    How much money is Teheran Keith recieving from the Ayatollahs!

    Redwolf,
    You have yet to state one fact about Israeli-U.S. relations or Arab-U.S. relations. Simply because sopmeone is an Israeli child as your girlfriend is doesn't mean she understands our histories. I was suggesting you learn at what points the U.S. supported Israel and at what points the U.S. didn't support Israel. What were the reasons? Who were the presidents at those times? What factions (liberals, conservatives) were urging support? You'll quickly realize Pat Buchanan's anti-Semetic views were the true conservative views until very recently. The liberals were attacked as being pro-Zionist and Jew lovers.

    "I'm willing to go to Asscrackistan, but I'm not going to Iraq."

    Okay, I'll let off.

    I sat behind a desk in Quantico for four years. Couple of paper cuts, dropped a typewriter on my foot. That's the extent of my combat experience.

    George W. Bush is my hero. He is the only one with enough guts to take out beardo .

    People are cheering Keith Olbermann, or at least nodding approvingly, and condemning that madman in the White House on this 12th day of January.

    The only reason that people like Keith Olbermann is because he is handsome .

    "Why Keith? Why? Keith is quite happy on OlbyPlanet without dissent. God forbid, he gets an opposing view.

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 11, 2007 11:59 PM"

    Is this your way of saying that you would like someone else to speak for you on his show? If so what would you say? Could it be that you are too stupid to come to this page and articulate an "opposing view"?

    I think you are too simple to argue anything. All you ever do is post the same stupid theme. Are you in 7th grade or 8th?

    The madman is at the anchor desk... FDR would have shut his ass down in WW2...

    That's right...YOUR HERO, and my hero...FDR would have put a muzzle on Keith and if you disagree with that, you are too far gone for reason

    "The only reason that people like Keith Olbermann is because he is handsome .

    Posted by: Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker] in Technicolor at January 12, 2007 12:06 AM"

    No we know why you are here, you have a physical attraction for handsome men.

    AnonyASS:

    I'm interested in fair and balanced journalism, not the endless parade of shills at Olby's carnival.

    Colbert,
    You just stated times have change. Today's anti-Semitism is from the Left. That's a fact. Today the Right is Pro-Israel. I know plent of Israeli history. How about Clinton stabbing them in the back and pressuring them to make concessions after concession to Arafat? How about James Bakers's anti-Semite views and his favoring of Arab regimes over Syria? How about Nixon sending Military aid to Israel during the Yom Kippur war?
    The fact is that Muslims wre invaders of that land and there were never Palestinian people. In fact they used to call themselves Southern Syrians. They're Arabas who invaded the region in the 7th Century. It goes like this:
    The Romans kick the Jews out, The Muslims kicked out the Romans, Now the Jews are back. That's there land and screw the Muslims!
    Like I said get away from Oil and they'll become harmless carpet sellers!

    "That's right...YOUR HERO, and my hero...FDR would have put a muzzle on Keith and if you disagree with that, you are too far gone for reason

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 12, 2007 12:07 AM"

    So you're saying you think KO is wrong and this means George Bush is an insightful man of God?

    "People are cheering Keith Olbermann, or at least nodding approvingly, and condemning that madman in the White House on this 12th day of January."

    Like his Iranian paymasters. Teheran Keith must do his masters bidding!

    ah yes- nothing like selected history professors to tell you who the worst president in history is and name the man still in office who they happen to despise. Next we'll have Arthur Schlesinger asserting yet again that Kennedy really valued his input, and how JFK spent all his time working and saving the world, when he wasn't in the pool with Fiddle and Faddle.In this respect I agree with P.J. O'Rourke: the American people may be stupid but they were never so stupid that they spent a single minute listening to Ted Sorensen, or Arthur Schlesinger,and now we may add Sean Wilentz, and this gentleman Mr. McElvaine. There's a historical perspective for you, alright.

    "I sat behind a desk in Quantico for four years."- Ohboy.

    So you were a Marine then, huh? Let me ask you something- how can you stomach all of the leaders and pundits that haven't served and are so willing to send those that are into places that weren't harboring Al-Qaeda? One of the main reasons I voted for Bush Sr. over Clinton in '92 (my 1st election) was because I couldn't stand that Bill was a draft dodger.

    > J$- Your server seems to be moving quick for once.

    I am told we are on an all-new server. At this, the #1 Keith Olbermann blog on all the internets, the deluge of clear-thinkers and OlbyLoons colliding with opposing points of view (ironically, the very thing Herr Olbermann censors from his propaganda hour) required a massive infusion of bandwidth and server space. It was our duty to posterity, the historical record, and our country that the truth about the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, his biases, and his lies, should not be impeded in any way. Hence, a new server.

    I'm saying there would have been no KO during WW2. FDR would not have allowed it to happen.

    The great one FDR made far more mistakes than Bush and cost this nation FAR MORE LIVES.

    Deal with that and put this presidency in perspective.

    FDR was a great man...a man of courage. You lefties need a crying towel.

    "The madman is at the anchor desk... FDR would have shut his ass down in WW2...

    That's right...YOUR HERO, and my hero...FDR would have put a muzzle on Keith and if you disagree with that, you are too far gone for reason

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 12, 2007 12:07 AM"
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    So you compare 3000 dead in the World Trade Center with 62 million dead in World War Two?

    The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II, irrespective of political alignment, was roughly 62 million people.

    And then you end with calling an argument against this nonsense as "too far gone for reason"?

    You're an idiot that listens to too much Fox News and especially Sean Hannity - the biggest pussy in America!

    Today Teheran Keith made his Iranian masters proud. He continues to be their voice here in America. I wish the Governmant would investigate Olbermann's contacts with Iranian Intelligence.

    The madman is at the anchor desk... FDR would have shut his ass down in WW2...

    That's right...YOUR HERO, and my hero...FDR would have put a muzzle on Keith and if you disagree with that, you are too far gone for reason

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 12, 2007 12:07 AM

    FDR is not the president, Bush is. This is not the second world war. Chamberlin and Churchill are long dead. Again and again it becomes obvious that some people here are not capable of having an original though or thinking for themselves. Unable to see beyond what some author has told them. incapable of being an individual. Robotic in their responses. No solutions to any real issues other than to submit and obey the right wing talking points. Slaves to an ideology of hatred for their country by despising discent. Sad and pathetic in their condecending attitude towards Americans who think for themselves.

    Johhny $

    Thanks for the bandwidth... We need more of it for Fat Ass. The libs can't stand the fact that people in this country and not being sucked in by talk of defeat.

    God Bless America and our Troops and God Bless our President.

    LF

    Anyone notic Teheran Keith seems to balding on his side! Maybe he'll start wearing a turban!

    "Today Teheran Keith made his Iranian masters proud. He continues to be their voice here in America. I wish the Governmant would investigate Olbermann's contacts with Iranian Intelligence.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 12:14 AM"

    Why don't you go down to the White House and tell the Secret Service that Redwolf requests and audience with the president. When they ask you what your interest is tell them you think Keith Olbermann is an Iranian operative giving subliminal messages to ignorant Americans who can't think for themselves.

    Then tell them about the chip in your brain and

    Things that FDR / OLBERMANN / GEORGE W have in common:

    yes = y no = n minor = m

    angry base conservative
    People v v v US Cute honor quarky

    F.D.R. y n m y y n m

    OLBERMANN y m Y y y n m

    W. BUSH y m Y m y n* m

    *contrary to some's belief, W. can be very liberal what with the nation building and the advance spending and his willingness to make peace with people like Teddy Kennedy / Nancy Pelosi / & Rove (who was recently cornered in a lavatory by some junior representitive !!! )

    Buffalo,

    So 62 million people were killed in World War II? That begs a couple of questions. How many people did the US kill in World War II? How many people did the US kill in World War II that we should not have killed? How many civilians did we kill in World War II? Just wondering......

    Your comment was truly shocking.

    "Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    No, you were coupled with the simpleton Feechie and the snot nosed Red Wolf for the three headed disgraced neocon.

    Posted by: why do u care what my name is at January 11, 2007 11:59 PM"

    Why do you have such a hostile attitude towards women who don't march in lockstep with you?

    I am woman! I am strong! Perhaps the problem is you only approve of liberal women.

    So sorry. Your problem, not mine.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

    "Anyone notic Teheran Keith seems to balding on his side! Maybe he'll start wearing a turban!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 12:16 AM"

    That would great, then pin heads like you would spit your beer at the TV.

    The turban thing - that's racist shit too!

    Donara:

    The goal is to WIN the war. It's not an original idea, but is lost on the leftist wussies that want to "talk" to countries like Iran that are funding the enemy.

    As far as the FDR reference and the 62 million dead, I have no idea what you are talking about.

    FDR was a great man who made mistakes. Let's start with the Japanese Americans and Move onto his censorship of media...It had to be done in his view and history forgave him.

    Talk to me in 30 years about the Bush lagacy.

    Buffalo,

    So 62 million people were killed in World War II? That begs a couple of questions. How many people did the US kill in World War II? How many people did the US kill in World War II that we should not have killed? How many civilians did we kill in World War II? Just wondering......

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:19 AM

    The enemies we faced then killed millions of humans and were industrial super powers of their time. You can try to compare todays threat to then but it is a silly casew to make. Sorry, but if you think you are making a point you are only making one against yourself.

    Boy, the RWers have gone absolutely nuts tonight.

    And I understand why.

    The republicans in congress are cuting bush loose, and running just as far away as they can from this "Troop Surge"

    Was watching CSPAN earlier, the hearing before the senate Foriegn Relations Committee.

    Some RWer here last night, probably Grammie, said that the dems had won in November by being conservative.

    At the senate FRC hearing today, I could not tell the difference between the liberal democrats and the, uhuuummmm republicans.

    One thing for sure, is that the rats are jumping ship. Condellisa got an ear-full today, and a lot of it was from the republicans. A couple practically called her a liar.

    Yep, the republicans are getting desperate, especially the ones around here.

    Keith Olbermann can always borrow more hair from his gigantic caterpillar eyebrows. That is the #1 1 thing that needs to go !

    J$- I should have known that your response to my simple question would result in a swipe at Keith and us "Olbyloons". LOL! But thanks for the new server.

    "Thanks for the bandwidth... We need more of it for Fat Ass." -L.F.

    Why do you guys refer to Keith as "fat ass"? He may not be built like Ronnie Coleman, but I wouldn't go as far as calling him fat. I wonder what you guys must say about Bob Cox's girth when he's out of earshot?

    G'nite and GO GATORS!!!

    LF,
    I thought the Holocaust denyer was the right-wing hero, Mel Gibson?

    Mel apologized last time I checked.

    The latest worst person in the world list was lame. Keith Olbermann should have borrowed some material from Media Matters.

    Donora,

    In this day and age a handful of people could kill millions. But you won't get pissed off until they do. Of course, if you are one of those millions you die a martyr's death, so you die happy. And you won't have to pay off the bet.

    Keith Olbermann is making a great contribution to America by helping to expose the worst administration in our history. That is a fact Olbermannwatchers. You hate it. It is why I still love this country. When push comes to shove, I knew that the right wing fanatics would be exposed and this country would again stand tall in the world. Unfortunately that will take a lot of time and effort after the damage that Bush loving anti-Americans have done. Yes, you are Anti-American if you support this administration.

    Mike, I would like a real answer to the question I posed earlier.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

    Little Feechie said.

    The libs can't stand the fact that people in this country and not being sucked in by talk of defeat.

    ###########################################33

    What the hell are you talking about ?

    you havent been paying much attention have you ?

    it is you, and your RWer buddies that have not been paying attention, either that or you are trying to spin things to suit your argument.

    you really should pay attention to what "the REPUBLICANS" in congress are saying.

    either that are have your doctor adjust your meds.

    Goodnite Liberals...signing off.

    Be thankful for FDR because we're speaking American in 2007, not German.

    Understand FDR's mistakes and lighten up on Bush. Give him the 9 months the troops need.

    You can do it...set your leftist agenda aside for the greater good of the country.

    Olbermann is a bad man...you ARE under his spell...break the cycle..

    get down with the sickness.

    God Bless America
    God Bless Our President.

    Donora,

    In this day and age a handful of people could kill millions. But you won't get pissed off until they do. Of course, if you are one of those millions you die a martyr's death, so you die happy. And you won't have to pay off the bet.

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:28 AM

    What's your plan to stop that fact Rico? Kill millions?

    Donora !!! Zinging people is not allowed here !!!

    Donora,

    In World War II that's what worked.

    I'm interested in fair and balanced journalism, not the endless parade of shills at Olby's carnival.

    Posted by: Little Feechie at January 12, 2007 12:09 AM

    So where do you go to find "balanced journalism"

    Bet you won't answer.

    Donora,

    In World War II that's what worked.

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:33 AM

    You may have a deep seeded need to relive World War II. I don't. Who are the millions that you think should be killed?

    "Buffalo,

    So 62 million people were killed in World War II? That begs a couple of questions. How many people did the US kill in World War II? How many people did the US kill in World War II that we should not have killed? How many civilians did we kill in World War II? Just wondering......

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:19 AM"

    Keep fishing Rico sooner or later you can find something to spin and make yourself look like a bigger idiot than you already do.

    The point I made was clear. The Fox News propaganda bullshit that calls oil wars WWIII is pure bullshit.

    We are not fighting a nation or a people. Low lifes like "grannie" and Redwolf can't conceive of this fact. We are fighting a hatred of our foreign policy that sets out to destabilize a region then step in to re-stabilize it with the outcome being western nations in control.

    Great Briton created the map of the middle east we see today, Iraq's borders were created by Great Briton. We have a long history of treating Muslims like they are ours to do what ever we want with.

    Oil is their only natural resource and Bush thinks he can take it with the barrel of gun. All you so-called Christians love the idea of killing people and taking what you want. That is what cowards do.

    Well guess what, there are a billion people who are willing to die, not for control of their nation, they don't have that and never did, they just don't want low lifes like Redwolf thinking they can spit on them and take what they want.

    These people aren't cowards, 3000 dead Americans in Iraq should tell you this. But you're too stupid to understand any of this.

    When you are fighting religious fanatics you must fight them with politics. Thankfully that is how we do it here. The way to defeat Al-Qaeda is with a foreign policy that doesn't hold the House of Saud above a billion poor Muslims.

    Something Jesus Christ always preached, but you would know zip about that!

    Janet Hawkins - aka Ms. Call the troops and their families "Trailer Park Trash"
    ---------------------------------------------

    See you are back to your version of civility and respectful discourse. I say YOUR VERSION, because it does not jive with anyone elses version,

    but I guess that such is the case with right wingers,

    BTW, you did not get to be a martyr, I thought that you said last night that you might be hit by lightning in your sleep, or something like that.

    AnonyASS

    I watch them ALL

    CNN, MSNBC, FOX, PBS, Meet the depressed...
    Take Olby's guest line-up and put it against any other newscast....Olbyplanet stands alone...

    he's afar-left Mike Mooore adoring fink

    LF,
    Most consorship during WWII was self-imposed. You're proving you're just a little uninformed kid. And saying "fair and balanced" gives you away. You don't have the brainpower to come up with your own thought? You can only handle repeating a slogan?

    "The goal is to WIN the war. It's not an original idea, but is lost on the leftist wussies that want to "talk" to countries like Iran that are funding the enemy."

    Yes, to win the WAR ON TERRORISM, which we WERE doing in Afghanistan before we decided to go off on this detour in Iraq. Now the Taliban is gearing up for another offensive against an undermanned NATO/U.S. force (a force further depleted because troops fighting there were sent to shore up Iraq).

    In case you haven't noticed, L.F., we don't have the forces to do a damn thing to Iran or Syria other than bomb them (which won't do much other than piss them off royally). We have the world's most powerful navy and the finest Air Force on the planet, but it still comes down to a bunch of grunts taking and holding ground. And we're just flat-out out of grunts.

    "Donora !!! Zinging people is not allowed here !!!

    Posted by: Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker] in Technicolor at January 12, 2007 12:33 AM"

    ZING!

    No, Buffalo.

    When you are fighting people, no matter what kind of fanatics they are, you have to kill them. If you kill enough of them you win.

    And we have not taken anybody's oil. Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqis. We buy it like anybody else.

    Wondering where you right wingers get your "fair and balanced" news and information?

    care to enlighten me ?

    Wow! Eight Pivots!

    Creepy Musto and Mo Rocca give tonights "Krazy Komment".

    TWO SNAPS AND A TWIST!!!!!!!!!!

    Something Jesus Christ always preached, but you would know zip about that!
    Posted by: The Buffalo at January 12, 2007 12:37 AM

    Because if Christ walked the earth today they would have him in a stress position or water boarded. They despise what he taught. He told us it would be that way. They build monuments to the prophets that their fathers had killed. They honur with their lips, but their heart is far from him.

    rico is stupid enough to think we can KILL all of the terrorists and WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !

    Colbert:

    Like Olby, you are very good at spin..
    I'm going to bed now knowing that our country is in good hands.

    Long live Bush and God Bless America.

    He's the elected leader and your going to have to deal with that friend for a couple of more years.

    You lefties need to show a little compassion for Bush. I know it's hard, but you are after all Americans. I'm sure there is some good in you.

    Peace.

    LF

    Donora,

    Are you one of those "Jesus was the first anti-war/anti-poverty/pro-gay rights activist" people?

    FEECHIE IS DODGING the question where he gets his "news "

    In World War II that's what worked.

    Posted by: Rico

    ----------------------------------------------

    Back to citing WW2 as rational for THIS war.

    Share with you what I figured out a while back, and that bunch of RWers did not like it any more than you will.

    When the 9-11 terrorist attacked, we heard the comparison to "Pearl Harbor " asserted over and over and over ........

    Then when the debate about this war started e heard the comparison to "Pearl Harbor " asserted over and over and over ........


    The only thing is.... the argument of making a pre-emptive strike because of our national interest, especially based on oil and other raw natural materials and access to same, was the EXACT rational that the Japaneese used in defending their attack on Pearl Harbor. The same EXACT argument.

    Donora,

    Are you one of those "Jesus was the first anti-war/anti-poverty/pro-gay rights activist" people?

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:44 AM

    Rico just PROVED how stupid he really is( or knows nothing about Jesus)

    No Rico, Jesus was a Republican.

    He loved war, rich people and gay bashers.

    Give me strength !

    Rico speaks

    When you are fighting people, no matter what kind of fanatics they are, you have to kill them. If you kill enough of them you win.

    ############################################33


    And this is based on your vast military experiences in war. ?

    Why dont you share with us some more of your battlefield wisdom ?

    Would you guys please make up your minds. Who am I walking in lockstep with and who gives me my marching orders?

    "you havent been paying much attention have you ?

    it is you, and your RWer buddies that have not been paying attention, either that or you are trying to spin things to suit your argument.

    you really should pay attention to what "the REPUBLICANS" in congress are saying.

    either that are have your doctor adjust your meds.

    Posted by: Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 12:31 AM"

    Just tell me once and for all WHO I get my marching orders.

    Is it Rove? Rush? Cheney? The Silver Fox? Hagel? Hannity? Collins? Snow?

    Oh hell. I'll just doing what I've always done. Make up my own mind.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

    Donora,

    Are you one of those "Jesus was the first anti-war/anti-poverty/pro-gay rights activist" people?

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:44 AM

    Are you one of those that are ashamed of him? Do you think loving your enemy is plotting his murder? Do you think Jesus supports waterboarding and stress positions? Do you believe in a judgement of nations? Do you think because I oppose the Iraq war that I am a homo loving socialist pinko? Do you think God forgives sexual indescretions of only the hetrosexual type? Do you think Jesus only loves Americans?

    Redwolf,
    You are beyond lost. The James Baker you mentioned would be the guy who helped Bush become president? That left-winger? Nixon partly supported the Israeli's but Ike supported Egypt. Reagan wasn't a big Israeli supporter either. He supported Iraq. As did Bush senior until Kuwait was invaded. Clinton didn't force israel to do anything. He got them to agree to peace which would have happened if Arafat wasn't a complete nut. Carter brokered peace with Israel and Egypt. Truman supported creating israel over right-wing protests. If you think lefties are anti-Semites you might want to check out Mel Gibson, Pat Buchanan, Christian Identity groups, Neo-nazi groups, Pat Robertson, etc.

    Oh hell. I'll just doing what I've always done. Make up my own mind.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie


    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha

    Which just coincides with 99% of our disgraced president.

    I'm not even citing World War II as a rational for this war. I'm just pointing out that FDR and the "Greatest Generation" killed millions and millions of people, lots of them civilians, put 120,000 innocent Japanese Americans into internment camps, cencored mail, and did lots of other harsh things, and you lefties love it.

    But, under Bush, a couple of guys had to do naked pyramids, and people phoning their uncle Abdul in Islamabad got their phone tapped, and you all act like Bush killed millions of civilians and put 120,000 innocent Americans into internment camps or something. You are silly, ridiculous people. I prefer the term "dingbats".

    Redwolf,
    It's odd you mentioned Nixon as the big right-wing Jewish lover. Anyone old enough to know anything about him would get a big laugh about that.
    Anyway, if liberals are anti-Semitic why do the Jewish people vote overwhelmingly for Democrats? It's odd that you claim to love Jews yet claim they're too dumb to know who to vote for.

    ""The goal is to WIN the war. It's not an original idea, but is lost on the leftist wussies that want to "talk" to countries like Iran that are funding the enemy...

    ...We have the world's most powerful navy and the finest Air Force on the planet, but it still comes down to a bunch of grunts taking and holding ground. And we're just flat-out out of grunts.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 12, 2007 12:39 AM"

    Win what war? What the hell are you talking about? A war against who? Terror is a tactic not a nation or a people. You are talking nonsense.

    You completely contridict yourself by saying "lefties want to talk to Iran" then you point out that there is no other way.

    The only "wussy" here in this discussion is you. You make an accurate assessment of the dilemma and then contradict the only solution.

    Yes, you are god dam right you talk to Iran. You act like you are some kind of a f---ing God that bows to no one then callously talk about "grunts" as though they are disposable things instead of human beings. Guess what, Iranians are human beings too. I have nothing against lining up all the religious fundamentalist that run Iran and shoot them down like dogs but invading a nation and bombing them will not achieve this without hundreds of thousands of innocent people dying.

    You armchair generals are a cowardly bunch who all suffer from rectal-cranial inversions!

    The "lefties" you refer too hide behind no gun, they seek to resolve problems with intellect not corporate propaganda and war schemes that make billions in profits for the buddies of Dick Cheney!

    Go watch some more Fox News and fantasize some more that you are something other than a coward!

    Talk to Iran with respect and act like a f---ing human being instead of the spawn of a KKK culture!

    Jesus save us

    I prefer the term "dingbats".

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:52 AM

    When it comes to your kind, I prefer the term "ignorant bigmouths who don't have to do the killings themselves but have no problem letting young men come home and have to deal with it for the rest of their lives".

    Janet Hawkins - aka Ms. Call the troops and their families "Trailer Park Trash" SAID .....

    Would you guys please make up your minds. Who am I walking in lockstep with and who gives me my marching orders?

    Just tell me once and for all WHO I get my marching orders.

    Is it Rove? Rush? Cheney? The Silver Fox? Hagel? Hannity? Collins? Snow?

    Oh hell. I'll just doing what I've always done. Make up my own mind.

    #################################################

    I would say that you get your marching orders, from RUSH and O"Reiley and Hannity and etc etc ,,,,,,


    Why do I name them all, because they all get their talking points
    from political strategist, and others at the whitehouse.

    Last year, your president said that we could not send more troops because .........

    now he says we must send troops because ............


    And like a little parakeet, RUSH and O"Reiley and Hannity and etc etc ,,,,,, pass the word, and then you chirp it out over and over and over ........

    Until they give you NEW talking points..

    and that is plain for everyone to see.

    "Janet Hawkins - aka Ms. Call the troops and their families "Trailer Park Trash"
    ---------------------------------------------

    See you are back to your version of civility and respectful discourse. I say YOUR VERSION, because it does not jive with anyone elses version,

    but I guess that such is the case with right wingers,

    BTW, you did not get to be a martyr, I thought that you said last night that you might be hit by lightning in your sleep, or something like that.

    Posted by: Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 12:38 AM"

    Whichever of the multiple names you use,
    -----------------YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING-------------

    ----------------I KNOW YOU ARE LYING--------------

    If lying is all you have in your wad you are shooting BLANKS in your own so big but really very very little mind.

    If my arsenal was as pathetic as yours is I wouldn't bother to keep my powder dry.

    Try again with someone smaller than you are, like a toddler.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

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    Just watched Keiths special comment again. Wonderfuly right on the mark. Again.

    "I'm not even citing World War II as a rational for this war. I'm just pointing out that FDR and the "Greatest Generation" killed millions and millions of people, lots of them civilians, put 120,000 innocent Japanese Americans into internment camps, cencored mail, and did lots of other harsh things, and you lefties love it.

    But, under Bush, a couple of guys had to do naked pyramids, and people phoning their uncle Abdul in Islamabad got their phone tapped, and you all act like Bush killed millions of civilians and put 120,000 innocent Americans into internment camps or something. You are silly, ridiculous people. I prefer the term "dingbats".

    Posted by: Rico at January 12, 2007 12:52 AM"

    You know what. I regret asking you guys to actually think about what you say.

    First you say, "I'm not even citing World War II as a rational for this war." Then you proceed to cite WWII as a rational for George Bush tearing up the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    But the most unbelievable thing you could do is compare what we did in WWII with what happened in Abu Ghraib.

    First of all who believes your, "you lefties loved this" bullshit? Second of all the worst thing that Rumsfeld did in his life was to allow Americans to video and photograph Arab men being humiliated by our troops.

    You want to torture prisoners do it in secret. Any dumb ass knows this but Bush, Cheney and Rummy were so god dam arrogant they let troops do what ever they wanted with no strict orders to keep all cameras out. This Keystone Cop mentality resounded throughout this whole adventure in Iraq.

    This was the turning point that all - every single- analyst says caused us to fail in Iraq.

    Internet pictures of Arab men being humiliated. This was the most stupid thing we could have done.

    You pretend it is the "lefties" opinion that matters, like what we think means a god dam thing to hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world who saw these images 24/7 for months.

    Why would imply that what "lefties" think matters? Because you are too f---ing stupid to understand it is what a billion Muslims who want to kill us thinks.

    God are you Fox News stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "If lying is all you have in your wad you are shooting BLANKS in your own so big but really very very little mind.

    If my arsenal was as pathetic as yours is I wouldn't bother to keep my powder dry.

    Try again with someone smaller than you are, like a toddler.

    Janet Hawkins
    Aka Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 12, 2007 1:04 AM"

    I just looked up "ironic" on Wikipedia and low and behold what you see posted above was right there.

    "wad blanks powder dry, toddler"

    Pathetic arsenal? You bet!

    "You completely contridict yourself by saying "lefties want to talk to Iran" then you point out that there is no other way."

    Buffalo, you are confused. I was QUOTING Little Feechie, then responding to him. There's no inherent contradiction there. Go up thread and you can see.

    "You act like you are some kind of a f---ing God that bows to no one then callously talk about "grunts" as though they are disposable things instead of human beings."

    Whoa there, chief. Would you mind getting down off your high horse for two seconds? I was trying to make a point - a point that you misconstrued and then used to ATTACK ME.

    My point was that BECAUSE we're bogged down in Iraq we can't really do anything substantive to Iran and Syria other than rattle sabers. That's why I pointed out what any good military strategist will tell you - battles come down to who can capture ground. And the only forces that can do that are infantry (or "grunts").

    You can ask around. I'm not a right-winger. I've been going around and around with these people for a while now. So step off.

    You can ask around. I'm not a right-winger. I've been going around and around with these people for a while now. So step off.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 12, 2007 1:19 AM

    I apologize. I am going nuts here like a crazed fox in a chicken coop. I was in a frenzy. I will take your point to heart and slow down.

    I can't believe how many Fox News Kool-aid drinkers there are here. I know show no patience with them but Bush has been gouging us for too long and I let loose on pin heads defending him and his crime family.

    The Buffalo

    WWJD ? What would Jesus Do ?
    RW fanatical religious zealots mantra.....

    Do you why the RW F R Z s started such a term ?

    Because asking WWJD, leaves it open to interpretation. THEIR interpretation.

    Here are 2 examples.

    1) Prayer in public schools. I say public schools, because the little right wing whakoes in training, can already pray in their private perochial schools, and their little Jesus Camps.

    the argument was always about PUBLIC schools.

    And WWJD, along with THEIR interpretation, wins them the argument for hypocrit christians,

    If you look at WDJD, what did Jesus do ?

    He said that is you pray in public, dont worry about an answer from GOD, because the answer to your prayers lies in the adolation of the people that watch you pray.

    He also said that if you wanted GOD to hear and answer your prayer, you should go into a closet to pray.

    What he meant, was that prayer is a private thing, and that it should not be done in public.

    Therefore, to argue for prayer in PUBLIC schools, you have to IGNORE what Jesus commanded.

    2) Capitol Punishment.

    for a so called Christian to support the death penalty, he has to ignore what Jesus said on the matter.

    But first, when the issue used to come up, the question was always posed, Name one person that has been wrongfully executed.

    I always answered with Jesus Christ,,,,,


    OOOPs,, they quit asking that question.


    Now is that the only reference to Jesus and the death penalty, No,

    When he came upon some people that were about to execute a prostitute, he intervened. He put his own neck on the line by standing between those about to stone her, and the woman being executed.

    He did not argue the law, because Jewish law was very clear, and the stoners, were in the right.

    He did not argue morals or ethics, because when it was over, he commanded her to go forth and sin no more. He did not condone her actions, he did not try to justify what she had done.

    What he did, was to tell the crowd, OK, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    He issued a commandment, for anyone that really tries to emulate him. anyone that CLAIMS to follow him, anyone that wants to act like him,

    here is the deal in a NUTSHELL.......

    there are tons of people claiming to be christians. but they dont know who jesus was, they dont know what jesus stood for, they dont know what jesus expected from them, and they dont give a damn about what he commanded of them,.

    those sorts are RELIGIOUS Christians. aka the Religious Right , the MORAL MAJORITY


    they dont have a clue, they are christian in name only, and dont give a damn about jesus, just what their preachers tell them.

    they argue points, ignoring what jesus commanded them to do,

    oh, they are know as something else, HYPOCRITS

    Rico, redwolf, and the grannie, can come out now. I am going down to a peace rally now in my Volkswagen Van.

    ...so the mice can play.

    oh, they are know as something else, HYPOCRITS

    Posted by: Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 1:28 AM

    You got it all there.

    In November 2002, Olbermann published an essay on Salon.com entitled "Mea Culpa" in which he conceded that his own insecurities and neurotic behavior had led to many of his problems at work.[4] In the essay, it imparted an instance of where his former bosses remarked he had "too much backbone," which actually hit on a literal truth. He has six lumbar vertebrae instead of the normal five.[4]

    So that's why the Right despise Keith so much. 1.)He admits his own shortcomings and 2.)He has too much backbone.

    You prefer your political personalities to be more like Savanitybaugh...Never admit they're wrong, and wiggle like a jelly fish.

    When I see Olbermann, I see a huge ass with a talking anus. What a clown this guy is !!!

    "When I see Olbermann, I see a huge ass with a talking anus."

    Actually, if that's what you see when watch Olbermann, that might tell us more about you than him...you perv.

    Colbert,
    Your not gona like this comment, but the reason American Jews vote for thr Left because they're not real Jews. They should be in Israel fighting for their land. In fact Israelis hate American Jews. They get along better with Christian Americans than American Jews. My Fiance who's Israeli hates, hates American Jews especially NY Jews! Clinton forced Israel to make concessions. Natanyhu even said so. In fact when Bibi refused to bow before Clinton, The American media convinced the Israeli media to attack his gvernmnet. Clinton advisers were sent to Israel to help Barack gain power so he could do Clinton's bidding. Bill and Hillary are anti-Israel and Pro-Muslim. As for antisemitism, yes there's still some on the right but the new and most dangerous form is coming from the European Left and the Michael Moore/Cindy Sheehan/Howard Dean/Daily Kos/Huffington Post crowd. Did you know Wesley Clark recently complained of the influence of NY Money men? Who do you think he's talking about?

    Here's the link below
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/dc-notes-wes-clark-is-_b_37837.html

    Say Buffalo,

    I beleive you said

    "You armchair generals are a cowardly bunch who all suffer from rectal-cranial inversions!"

    A great line, but might I suggest one alteration that might prove more accurate when describing cowardly RWers who act like Osama, sending others to fight a war that they themselves WILL NOT FIGHT.


    suffer from rectal-cranial insertions!

    I can't wait to be deployed again so I can get away from the likes of Olbermann, who doesn't have a goddam clue.

    The Buffalo,
    I'm actaully planning with a few of my friends to hit a peace rally with eggs! We do it all the time!

    Pink Kitty said..

    They should be in Israel fighting for their land.

    ################################


    So you are one of those that used the same rational that we should have sent all of the African Americans back to Africa after they were emancipated.

    Send em all home.

    Got your white robe and pointy white hat back from the cleaners you racist scumbag ?

    "I'm actaully planning with a few of my friends to hit a peace rally with eggs! We do it all the time!"

    Yeah, Peace Sucks. War Rules.

    "Got your white robe and pointy white hat back from the cleaners you racist scumbag ?"

    Actaully I'll put on an Imperial Spanish helmet from the 1500's and scream Santiago Matamors.
    That means St. James the Moorslayer!

    LanceCorporal Wm Meyers chirped in with

    I can't wait to be deployed again so I can get away from the likes of Olbermann, who doesn't have a goddam clue.

    ###############################################3


    we already disproved your even being in the military.

    You are one of those little pimple faced little privelaged punks, that will never wear a military uniform, and then you come into chat rooms and message boards and pawn yourself off as a soldier marine, because you think it gives you some credibility.

    what a punk you are.

    Sing along now...

    They will know we are Christians by our love... by our love.

    Now create the image in your mind of a small child crying over her fathers grave.

    Was she an Iraqi child or an American child?

    Should it matter?

    Those who taught me about Jesus when I was child taught me this concept first and foremost.

    What they were teaching me was if I wanted to be like Jesus all I had to do is project my wants and needs into another person and understand that they are exactly like me.

    Like me regardless of who they were or where they came from. And the most important thing they taught me about Jesus was that he wanted me to go one step farther - he wanted me to love my enemies as I love myself.

    I can't do that. I have no person as an enemy, I only have ignorance as an enemy.

    Religion can be the greatest avenue to intelligence or the greatest road to ignorance. The way to tell the difference is when religion is used to identify with a group or instead, identify with God.

    Religion as a group activity is the devils work shop. A personal religious practice in the form of how you treat other people beats abandoning your own identity to fit into a group.

    Pass the kool-aid groupies!

    YouSoSelfDeluded,
    At those so called Peace rallies I've seen Pro-Al Qaeda signs, Pro-Hizballah signs and People with posters calling for the establishment of an Islamic state in America. Heck I've even seen Neo-Nazi waving anti-Israel signs. Nice allies you Lefties have. That's why I attack the peace rallies. Me and my friends. a Few eggs and a fast car is all it takes!

    Ah C-mon Jeezus, what about Blowing Stuff Up?

    Boy, you kids comment a lot, but you're still getting 1500 hits per day? An entire 0.25% of Olbermann's audience!

    Wow!

    Pink Kitty ( here pussy pussy ) said

    I'm actaully planning with a few of my friends to hit a peace rally with eggs! We do it all the time!

    ########################################33


    Yeah, you better hide in the shadows and throw something, you little cowardly punk. I bet you even take LanceCorporal Wm Meyers with you.

    BTW, isnt that the sort of tactic used by the cowards that attack out troops in Iraq,

    I think so.

    What a coward you are, by YOUR OWN ADMISSION.

    Here pussy pussy

    "Nice allies you Lefties have."

    It might shatter your world to know I am not a Lefty. My views probably don't fit into your neat little tunnelvision view.

    Teheran Keith is an anti-Semite he called Chris Wallace a monkey. A term used in the Islamic world for Jews. Since tonight Keith showed his Pro-Iran sentiment. It shouldn't be a suprised he knew that term!

    Bush's approvals are in the tank. Much of the country doesn't have faith in his war effort, for good reason. Still , the left is deluding itself if thinks that solidly half of this country doesn't despise them for being as useless as tits on a boar when it comes to National Security.

    Coward who doesn't post a name,
    We're not afraid of you Leftwing clowns. Trust we've fist fought with plenty of Lefties and Their Jihadi buddies. The fast car is to get away from cops. Either way it's fun go after you clowns.

    "Pink Kitty ( here pussy pussy ) said

    I'm actaully planning with a few of my friends to hit a peace rally with eggs! We do it all the time!

    ########################################33


    Yeah, you better hide in the shadows and throw something, you little cowardly punk. I bet you even take LanceCorporal Wm Meyers with you."
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    You hit that one right on. A few minutes ago I said I was signing off and BAM! Redwolf comes out from lurking and takes some shots.

    The guys is a pathological liar. Last night he was saying he was in the military and said he had two nephews in Iraq.

    I have never seen a vet come to this page and post as a right winger. They may have but I have never seen it.

    Redwolf is about as classic of an example of coward as you can get. Ignorant and cowardly, your typical racist!

    "Teheran Keith is an anti-Semite he called Chris Wallace a monkey. A term used in the Islamic world for Jews. Since tonight Keith showed his Pro-Iran sentiment. It shouldn't be a suprised he knew that term!"

    ...And you knew it too? Just "research" I guess...

    >Bush's approvals are in the tank. Much of the country doesn't have faith in his war effort, for good reason. Still , the left is deluding itself if it thinks that solidly half of this country doesn't despise them for being as useless as tits on a boar when it comes to National Security.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Truer words have never been spoken!

    The FAKE David Brock upchucked ...

    Still , the left is deluding itself if thinks that solidly half of this country doesn't despise them for being as useless as tits on a boar when it comes to National Security.

    ############################################

    After seeing the way that the REPUBLICANS were treating Condelisa today at the "Foreign Relations Committee" hearings today, I could not tell the difference betweent the REPUBLICANS and the Democrats,

    And it wasnt the Democrats that were flip flopping on the issue, it was a cut and run BIG TIME away from the Bush administrations position.

    Yep, the republicans in congress are getting the message, now if only word will filter down to the little RWers here to follow their leaders

    That will happen just as soon as O'Rielly, Hannity, Rush, and the rest of the RW propagandist figure out how to spin it, and issue the marching orders for this bunch of cowards

    Chris Wallace works for Fox as a paid liar and media whore. Calling him a monkey is kind. Saying that the derogatory use the word "monkey" is owned by one nation of culture is indicative of the ignorance of the person who crafted this garbled nonsense!

    Day-um you lefties don't even try to hide your bigotry and anti-semitism. Heil Herr Olbermann! Death to Jew Monkeys!!

    Buffalo,
    "The guys is a pathological liar. Last night he was saying he was in the military and said he had two nephews in Iraq."

    I have 2 cousins you idiot. You're a coward. You probably come from some little upper class suburb and was born with a silver spoon in the mouth. Mommy and Daddy tok care of you your whole life. I wish there was a way to get your contact info because I would like have a little one on one with you. I'm from the streets and have been on my own since 16. You know nothing about me you little rich Anglo herb. You're some geek who used to get beat down by us Thugs in HS. Some clown who couldn't get any ass. You're still a clown you Commie chump! Hey ask your peace protesters allies what's happened to their rallies in Miami and Ft. Lauderdale! Ask him how the Ice, Eggs and fists felt. You cornball pussy!
    You Islamic loving tritor. Go move to Iran you like those barbarians so much!

    "YouSoSelfDeluded,
    At those so called Peace rallies I've seen Pro-Al Qaeda signs, Pro-Hizballah signs and People with posters calling for the establishment of an Islamic state in America. Heck I've even seen Neo-Nazi waving anti-Israel signs. Nice allies you Lefties have. That's why I attack the peace rallies. Me and my friends. a Few eggs and a fast car is all it takes!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 1:50 AM"

    (laughing) Yea Redwolf you saw all this - ON FOX NEWS!

    A coward like you has never thrown an egg at anyone in a public place. You're just spouting off in your typical lying manner.

    What's on Fox?

    I have never seen a vet come to this page and post as a right winger. They may have but I have never seen it.

    ##############################################

    One point to emphasise that is the fact that there were dozens of Iraq War veterans running for congress last Nov.

    Only 1 was a republican

    Down here in Texas,

    In George W Bush's district.

    He got thumped BAD by his democratic opponent.

    Now not all of the democratic vets won, but NONE of the republicans did.

    Did I mention that the one republican was in Bush's congressional district.

    "Day-um you lefties don't even try to hide your bigotry and anti-semitism. Heil Herr Olbermann! Death to Jew Monkeys!!

    Posted by: KnowsARACISTwhenIseeone at January 12, 2007 2:04 AM"

    Posted by Redwolf. This use of "Heil Herr" can be documented in the archives. Redwolf's writing style is not only evident but the moniker is accurate too!

    Redwolf posted this shit!

    YouSoSelfDeluded,
    "And you knew it too? Just "research" I guess..."

    My fiance is Israeli in case ou haven't read. When she read the what Olbermann called Wallace, She told me what the term meant. I looked it up and sure enough that's what Muslims call Jews.

    Anonymous ,
    Olbermann isn't propaganda. He's a hack for the DNC, Geirge Soros, Hillary Clinton and the Iranian Ayatollahs.

    Pink Kitty purred .....

    Well lets just say it was more RW BS,

    If he had 2 cousins that were in the service, he would KNOW just how pissed the majority of the troops are, at the good little nazi types back here, that are willing to sacrifice as many of our troops as neccesary, to save GW Bushs legacy.

    See, sending more troops isnt about winning any more. That is a done deal,

    we had a chance to win the war, a very slim one, but Bush and his policies blew that chance,

    Now it is just a question of how many soldiers and marines have to die, to salvage Bushs legacy.

    Bison crap,
    A coward like you hides in his house afraid to go out because you used to get jumped in HS. Your just some Computer geek that jerks off to Bin Laden pictures!

    Hey RedWolf,


    When did your daddy quit molesting you ?

    Right Wingers are Traitors,
    Actauuly the trrops are angry at you Leftists for helping to encourage the enemy. They are pissed at Bush for the strict rules of engagment. But they especially despise the Left and the Media. So go back to your little Computer geek world. Hey don't jerk off to much to your Zarqawi posters.

    "Olbermann isn't propaganda. He's a hack for the DNC, Geirge Soros, Hillary Clinton and the Iranian Ayatollahs.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 2:09 AM"

    Strait from Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. You ever come up with a single thing on your own Redwolf? Is the best you can do is repeat what low lifes like Hannity and Limbaugh say? It is either ignorant racist shit or repeating media whores who pimp for corporate owned news organizations.

    I can't even call you a hack, you are too stupid to make a single point. As it is with society in general you offer nothing at this page. You are a parasite and you should kill yourself in a drunken depression for being a godless hate filled low life scum of the earth.

    What's on Fox?

    Right Wingers are Traitors ,
    Not everyone's Daddy molest them I'm sorry that happend to you. Is that why your so anal! No wonder you love Muslims you like getting humped by them and their camels!

    Say Pink Kitty,

    I noticed that you dont even have the guts, to respond to my DIRECT post to you anymore,

    What a cowardly little punk you are.

    Even from the anominity of the internet and at your little puter desk safe in your own home, you are a coward,

    Well maybe you arent safe, is your dad home, or is it that your momma has started pimping you out to her overflow of male visitors.

    T,
    "Is the best you can do is repeat what low lifes like Hannity and Limbaugh say? "

    I don't like Hannity who I call Vannity or Limbaugh who I call Bimbo. They're hacks for the Republicans and internationalists Global corporate elites. Like Olbermann they're paid propagandists!

    Anonymous,
    Your just upset your mom walks around with Sperm on her face and that you don't know who your daddy is. I've responded to you many times. Hey btell your mom I'll give her 5 dollars for head!

    "Right Wingers are Traitors,
    Actauuly the trrops are angry at you Leftists for helping to encourage the enemy. They are pissed at Bush for the strict rules of engagment. But they especially despise the Left and the Media. So go back to your little Computer geek world. Hey don't jerk off to much to your Zarqawi posters.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 2:14 AM"
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    One more delusion of Redwolf's, now he speaks for the troops.

    All the talking heads on the far right have always said Abu Ghraib prison pictures encouraged the "enemy" more than anything else to date. You dreamed this one up from the desk of Sean Hannity.

    You are nothing more than a ditto head that repeats little quips from media whores. But the idea that you would pretend to speak for the troops is about the most repulsive thing your coward ass has done on this page yet.

    Your ignorance is the biggest "encouragement" the enemies of this nation have. You are a liability to our country and our democracy.

    You are garbage!

    Pink kitty finally responded with

    Actauuly the trrops are angry at you Leftists for helping to encourage the enemy. They are pissed at Bush for the strict rules of engagment. But they especially despise the Left and the Media. So go back to your little Computer geek world. Hey don't jerk off to much to your Zarqawi posters.


    ############################################3


    Where did you get your info, from O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush,,,,,,

    See, I have 7 members of my family that have been, are now, or will be deployed to Iraq.

    I was born in an Army hospital, signed up 7 days after my 17th BDay, and have MANY family members that have or are now serving.

    Little Punks like you, dont have the guts to wear the uniform, and PEOPLE LIKE YOU, have helped me show the troops I know, just who it is back here that support them.

    See, people like you, RWers, are more like Osama Bin Laden.

    You are willing to send other people to fight a fight that you WONT fight.

    What a pansy ass you are.

    Anonymous,
    Your a pathetic individual. It's people like is why Islam might triumph. But you'll be ok. You'll convert or become a good little Dhimmi and pay your Jiyiza tax.

    Janet:

    Amazing....I used a VERY relevant Red Wolf / President analogy to make my position as clear as it can possibly be made, and you call it a "cop out", and later even demand a justification by citing a "historical precedent".

    For some reason, you want to cite WWII precedents, when I believe there are none. If I DID cite whatever WWII precedents came the closest in my mind, you would then accuse me of calling GWB a Nazi, therefore I have tried to avoid doing that.

    To me, the only relevant historical precedent to this manufactured war is Vietnam, something I don't really recall you mentioning. I served during Vietnam, and I see VERY similar mistakes being made all over again, and have from the very beginning.

    What amazes me most is that you seem unwilling or unable to accept that people like me TRULY Believe that:
    (1) - GWB is totally in over his head!
    (2) - GWB is a dangerous 'leader' who may well yet succeed in igniting something as catastrophic as WWII before we can get him out of there.
    (3) - GWB has already made possibly the biggest blunder in US History with his invasion of Iraq!
    (4) - I'm not sure our great country is going to ever fully recover from GWB's blunders. Only time will tell.

    I'm not alone in this....I have LOTS of company!

    This is in no way irritional, it is not hysterics, it is not political, and it is not about 'hating' one man.

    When I see GWB trying to articulate his latest talking point, I REALLY DO see a blathering idiot standing there. I see someone who has already caused the death of over 3000 Americans, God knows how many others, and has already virtually bankrupted our treasury....needlessly!

    I fully understand you don't agree (for reasons I can't fathom, because you do seem intelligent to me), but can you grasp the concept that those on our side cannot possibly view GWB as a 'leader', only as the "village idiot" who still has "his finger on the button", and try as we might, we just can't take it off!

    Say pink kitty


    We have already established that you dont even know anyone that is serving, and we also established that you are too cowardly to enlist yourself (( to everyone else, here comes the excuses ))

    So why do you want to send our troops, to fight bleed and die ?

    What is your reasoning?

    BTW, did you not understand my telling you that you are JUST LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN, in the way that you are willing to send others to fight the battles YOU SAY needs to be fought
    '

    "I don't like Hannity who I call Vannity or Limbaugh who I call Bimbo. They're hacks for the Republicans and internationalists Global corporate elites. Like Olbermann they're paid propagandists!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 2:18 AM"

    Yea right and your not a racist either. You know I think you actually believe your own lies. You are truly delusional. You repeat word for word the exact rightwing propaganda strait from the mouths of Limbaugh and Hannity and then you claim you don't "like them". Point made was that you "listen" to them, even Judas Iscariot turned on his leader. You are just one more like him.

    Always depend on lies to fabricate a new face for Redwolf. The only person who believes these lies is you.

    One day you will wake up and understand that all the delusional creations you can dream up will never substitute for facing the real you - an ignorant coward!

    Right Wingers are Traitors,
    I was in Bosnia in 96. I was originally stationed in Germany. My Dad, Grandad was in the Army. You're full of it. Most Army people I talk to hate you Jihadi Pro-Islamic Leftists. I served so that way I wouldn't ruin my life and go to jail. Thank God for the Army it save my life. My 2 cousins are in Iraq right and they're telling me most guys there hate you Lefties for support the Islamists.

    Mike,,

    From past conversations, I figure that you will disagree, but you said something that I want to elaborate on.

    When I see GW Bush talk, I see OSAMA BIN LADEN

    He sent others to fight, yet when he himself had a chance to fight for his country ( vietnam ), he would not.

    So see, the parellel that I draw for ALL of these RWers who dont mind at all sending someone to fight a war they say needs to be fought, but wont fight it themselves, and the correlation to Osama, that extends to Bush.


    Right Wingers are Traitors,
    The only thing established here is that your some internet geek fraud. Your miserable because Ethipoia wipped your allies but in Somalia. You don't know mw. Your just pissed I've exposed your Idol Teheran Keith for the traitor he and his followers are!

    The Buffalo
    Maybe you'll wake up from your Marxist brainwashing! You're an ignorant fool and a traitor to your nation. Go to Iran and live with your buddies.


    Pink Kitty Lies again,

    I served so that way I wouldn't ruin my life and go to jail. Thank God for the Army it save my life. My 2 cousins are in Iraq right and they're telling me most guys there hate you Lefties for support the Islamists.

    ###############################################


    What do you mean by "I wouldn't ruin my life and go to jail".

    were you facing criminal charges. Did you enlist to avoid jail ?


    and the part about your cousin tell you that " most " of the troops.


    that is a bald faced, through your teeth lies. I have family members all over the place, here in the states, Iraq, and one of my brothers in law, just got back from Afghanistan.

    While they can not comment on the president, because they have been threatened with charges of insubodination if they do, they have PLENTY to say about little pencil dicks like you,

    they think you are the scum of the earth.

    Dont forget to answer about how you CLAIM you ended up in the military,

    Right Wingers are Traitors ,
    When I see you and Olbermann talk I hear Mamoud Ahmadinejad's words. Your a Jihad supporter. Probaly a sleeper cell waiting to be activated you and Bison lard. What group you guys work for Al-Qaeda, Hamas or Hizballah?

    pink kitty

    You afraid to answer my question ?

    I think so, I guess you have to figure out which lie will work

    We are waiting

    Right Wingers are Traitors ,

    I joined because it was that or I wouldve ended up in jail with the life I was living. See unlike you who was living probably in Afghanistan at the time in an Al-Qaeda traing camp I was on the streets of NY selling drugs and running with the Latin Kings. I saw where that was leading. So to to get away from that lifestyle I joined the Army for 2 years.
    Hey so your brothers in Afganistan haven't been kiiled by our troops yet. I guess they're not brave enough like you to be suicide bombers huh?


    Your Jihad cells

    Say pink kitty,

    I have got to go to get a bite to eat,

    think of which lie you want to tell,

    I will be back in a while to see which lie you decided on

    BBL

    "I have family members all over the place, here in the states, Iraq, and one of my brothers in law, just got back from Afghanistan."

    Wow, I guess your a head Jihad honcho! You must be in a cave in Pakistan right now. Are you Bin Laden, I mean you have an extensive terrorist network! Wow I'm impressed. hey did you know the founder of yor religion Mohamed was a pedophile that married a 9 year old?

    Anonymous/ Rightwingers are traitors,
    Why did you guys join the jihad. I mean are we supposed to be scraed of you turban wearing jerks that blow themselves uo for 72 Virgins because you can't get no ass!

    "Right Wingers are Traitors,
    I was in Bosnia in 96. I was originally stationed in Germany. My Dad, Grandad was in the Army. You're full of it. Most Army people I talk to hate you Jihadi Pro-Islamic Leftists. I served so that way I wouldn't ruin my life and go to jail. Thank God for the Army it save my life. My 2 cousins are in Iraq right and they're telling me most guys there hate you Lefties for support the Islamists.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 2:32 AM"

    Lies weaved from lies. First of all it is a fabrication to say "lefties who love the Islamists".

    Condemning your racists remarks about Islamists is not supporting fundamentalist Muslims who want nothing but blood in the streets. All "lefties" hate these animals in the same way we hate the animals that sent 3000 GI's to their death for ENRON and CHEVRON in Iraq.

    But pin heads like you who come from KKK backgrounds think you are the back bone of this nation for joining the military? No you have it the other way around, this nation provided you a way to contribute. Not you made this nation what it is with your contribution. Who you are as a person is what makes you, not your deeds!

    The people who empower the Bin Ladens of this world are people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. They go off and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Arabs and then when the whole Muslim world goes ballistic over it by sending in insurgents into Iraq to kill our troops you pretend you have a reason to hate one more group of people - "lefties" as though they enraged the Muslim world.

    It always swings around to your understanding of your hate and your justification for your hate. Then you testify to the others in your family that are with you with their hate. Yep that part is probably true.

    Fact is the pattern with you is hate. This is the behavior of a coward. You have no clue about how this world works and you don't care to know. All you look for is justifications to vilify someone (KO) or some group - lefties, Muslims, Jews, the list is endless with low lifes like you.

    You know you are vermin and you know you are hated so the only thing you do to deal with being hated is hate more. If you were a child I would hug you and help you see a better path, one of love.

    But you are an unrepentant hate filled person who dwells in deception - not deceiving others - only yourself.

    So go on all you want about being a Moor and being in the military. None of it gives you the excuse or reason to be a hate filled person. Only your mother and father are to blame for that.

    You are one sorry excuse for a human being!

    "I don't like Hannity who I call Vannity or Limbaugh who I call Bimbo."

    Seems Dead Oaf has been listening to Michael Weiner Savage.

    Dude, get an original thought please.

    To Right Wingers are traitors:

    YOu said..."when I see GW Bush talk, I see OSAMA BIN LADEN"....

    You're right, I WOULD have to disagree with that statement; GWB is a man who had to be tutored on foreign policy after he decided to run for president, and didn't know the difference between Shiite and Sunni, much less understand their rivalry, even as he became hell bent on occupying their country.

    GWB seemed to come in the Oval Office like a babe in the woods and seemed to be literally molded by others into what THEY wanted him to be.

    OBL, on the other hand, is as close to pure evil as it is possible for any human being on earth to get, but far smarter than Bush. I would never call GWB 'evil', though.

    "Right Wingers are Traitors,
    I was in Bosnia in 96. I was originally stationed in Germany. My Dad, Grandad was in the Army. You're full of it. Most Army people I talk to hate you Jihadi Pro-Islamic Leftists. I served so that way I wouldn't ruin my life and go to jail. Thank God for the Army it save my life. My 2 cousins are in Iraq right and they're telling me most guys there hate you Lefties for support the Islamists.

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 2:32 AM"
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    Lies weaved from lies. First of all it is a fabrication to say "lefties who love the Islamists".

    Condemning your racists remarks about Islamists is not supporting fundamentalist Muslims who want nothing but blood in the streets. All "lefties" hate these animals in the same way we hate the animals that sent 3000 GI's to their death for ENRON and CHEVRON in Iraq.

    But pin heads like you who come from KKK backgrounds think you are the back bone of this nation for joining the military? No you have it the other way around, this nation provided you a way to contribute. Not you made this nation what it is with your contribution. Who you are as a person is what makes you, not your deeds!

    The people who empower the Bin Ladens of this world are people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. They go off and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Arabs and then when the whole Muslim world goes ballistic over it by sending in insurgents into Iraq to kill our troops you pretend you have a reason to hate one more group of people - "lefties" as though they enraged the Muslim world.

    It always swings around to your understanding of your hate and your justification for your hate. Then you testify to the others in your family that are with you with their hate. Yep that part is probably true.

    Fact is the pattern with you is hate. This is the behavior of a coward. You have no clue about how this world works and you don't care to know. All you look for is justifications to vilify someone (KO) or some group - lefties, Muslims, Jews, the list is endless with low lifes like you.

    You know you are vermin and you know you are hated so the only thing you do to deal with being hated is hate more. If you were a child I would hug you and help you see a better path, one of love.

    But you are an unrepentant hate filled person who dwells in deception - not deceiving others - only yourself.

    So go on all you want about being a Moor and being in the military. None of it gives you the excuse or reason to be a hate filled person. Only your mother and father are to blame for that.

    You are one sorry excuse for a human being!

    Hug? You are a lefty!

    It's sad that Dead Oaf has to see anyone who happens to disagree with his politics as "the enemy."

    Riiiggghhhttt, if we don't bow down to Bush we must be wearing a towel on our head.

    Makes things much simpler for you doesn't it?

    Buffalo,
    "You have no clue about how this world works"
    I know ore than you. See unlike you who was born in some uppity White suburb and mommy and daddy bought you everything I was on the streets. See I used to rob herbs like you for fun on the Subways and after school. You and your Islamic loving buddies are the same no ass getting geeks I used to prey on. Hence the name Redwolf. That waas my street tag I used to graff back in the late 80's early 90's. In your little suburban school you used to probably wtote I love sue. Meanwhile sue would be a screwing a Thug like me. Your just a corball.

    Muslim Joke:
    Q: what do you call a Muslim girl when she turns 12?
    A: A mommy!

    Pink Kitty is a lying POS. and I have proof.


    First of all, he admits to being a drug dealing gangbanger.

    ############################################

    I was on the streets of NY selling drugs and running with the Latin Kings.

    ###########################################

    Now here is where I bust him for lying through his teeth.


    ##########################################
    So to to get away from that lifestyle I joined the Army for 2 years.

    ##########################################

    You said earlier that you were in Bosnia in 1996. Now you say you were in the Army for 2 years.

    If all of that were true, them on 9-11, when we were attacked, and in the subsequent run up to the Afghanistan war, you would have been recalled.

    See, every young American male, between 18 and 35 OWES 8 years of military service.

    Now the Volunteer army has changed that, so that you CAN enlist for shorter tours, say 2 years, but for the next 6 years, you are listed as ready reserves, and a lot of people that do short stints just go ahead and go into the reserves or national guard when the get out.

    Plus, even if you are not a US citizen, but enlist, then you are still obligated to the same conditions.

    So had you been in Bosnia in 1996, doing a 2 year hitch, there is NO WAY that you would not have been recalled sometime during 2001 > 2003.

    Busted, a proven liar. You should have chosen your lie more carefully.

    See that is what you get for hooking horns with a real veteran.

    OH BTW, according to the "involuntary retention " provision of the Patriot Act, the army can recall you ANY TIME, if you have not servcd your full 8 years, and can keep you indefinintly if the president deems it in the national interest.

    So everyone, RED WOLF aka Pink Kitty has just got himself busted.

    RWers, lie lie lie,

    and the most pathetic part of it is, here you are trying to convince everyone that you are a veteran, when you are actually a coward.

    Q: why is the religion call Islam?
    A: Because always said" I Slam a camel in the ass!

    "Q: why is the religion call Islam?
    A: Because always said" I Slam a camel in the ass!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 3:02 AM"

    Poster boy!

    "See I used to rob herbs like you for fun on the Subways and after school."

    Oh, a law-breaking, vandalizing, bullying, wannabe street thug. We need to send you to the front lines right away. Go get'em Tiger.

    Q:And what will the Muslim baby call you?
    A: Daddy!

    Right Wingers are Traitors ,
    Your a liar. Once you leave unless you opt for reserve your done. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't on reserve you idiot. Obviously you're not military or have family in the military. You're a fraud and a liar. Just an internet geek

    "See that is what you get for hooking horns with a real veteran"

    Your full of it. Your just some internet nerd who's frustrated at not getting ass.

    Right Wingers are Traitors ,
    Your a delusional fraud. the only army you served on was the local paintball squad. Your dismiss. You tried to expose me, but you've been exposed.

    Camels beware! Red Wolf's a comin' and he knows all about Islam!

    You're a fraud and a liar. Just an internet geek

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 3:06 AM"

    Now you are calling not being properly informed lying. Their is a difference. Trying to call other people racists when you pegged as being racists is common for you. Now you think you have an opportunity to call someone what you are called - a liar. But you don't, you can say he is mistaken but a liar just doesn't fit.

    You on the other hand just lie lie lie that is all you do. Not to me or anyone here, that matters not, what matters is the lies you tell yourself. This is your real problem.

    Where are you Leftwing are losers. Doing some googling to see if I'm right well ha ha ha. I jcaught you out there. Your a phoney go back to the little college dorm your from.
    Hey how come you haven't be recalled? hmmm.
    Because unless your in the reserves you don't get activated you idiot!

    The Buffalo,
    I'm sure when the planes rammed into the Twin towers you wre out celebrating and praising Allah!

    "Where are you Leftwing are losers. Doing some googling to see if I'm right well ha ha ha. I jcaught you out there. Your a phoney go back to the little college dorm your from.
    Hey how come you haven't be recalled? hmmm.
    Because unless your in the reserves you don't get activated you idiot!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 3:12 AM"

    "go back to the little college dorm your from."

    Now Redwolf is showing his disdain for educated people. You know this guy really does a good job of showing his true colors with each post.

    Ironic isn't it for a guy who banks on deception as the make up of his entire person.

    It's all a world of pretend.

    I'm surprised that people on this site haven't yet figured out that 'debating' with Red Wolf is pointless. It's best to just ignor him - that is what he fears the most. For example, if you're neighbors dog barked at you every time you went into your own back yard, yelling at the dog would only make it worse, and it would be impossible to reason with the dog. Best to ignor both the dog, and Red Wolf!

    Buffalo,
    Yeah just like your Pro Jiahd true colors right. You Lefties are a bunch of losers. The Muslims play you for fiddles. When all is said and done they'll turn on you guys unless you convert. As for me. I'm going to sleep. My and my peeps have a peace, I mean Pro-Jihad rally to crash!

    "The Buffalo,
    I'm sure when the planes rammed into the Twin towers you wre out celebrating and praising Allah!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 3:15 AM"

    One more delusion you need to convince yourself of. No handle on reality. It's all a world of pretend. Pretend you are the civil person from a good home and I had parents who taught me to hate.

    Sorry my friend you have to learn to deal with the hand god dealt you.

    Try facing up to the fact that your rejection of everyone else is a projection of how you feel received by them.

    You are living example of self fulfilling prophecy with each breath you take.

    You really are a sad pathetic creature.

    Redwolf you have any children?

    I'm just glad the Jihadists are winning in Iraq. I cheer at the news of another dead American!

    I love olbermann because he bashes Bush. he stays on message like Joseph Goebells. He's a great man like Hugo Chavez.

    It's pretty clear that Red Wolf has now gone 'undercover' and taken over someone else's 'handle. He's a real trickster, he is!

    Cox can take care of that if that is the case. The wolf will have to go be Red somewhere else if he did do that

    Talking about Nazi's is common for him. If you could search the entire archive at once I bet you could find RedWolf using Joseph Goebells name several times before.

    The guy is a real snake. Not fit for society. To keep society safe, he needs to put in jail - again.

    Say pink kitty,

    Here you are, last hour posting that I dont have proof, or am not going to respond.

    First of all, at 2:48 I posted that I was just about to go out for a bit e to eat,

    I wasnt avoiding you,

    I am about to do some googling, not to find out what the truth is, but to find some links to PROOF that you are a liar.

    I will be back in a few with plenty of proof of what I said, and that you did not EVER serve,

    BTW, you have ALREADY ADMITTED that I nailed you for lying.

    "You tried to expose me" ,,,,,

    You did not say that I was trying to make you out a liar, you said "You tried to expose me"

    Expose you ? ,,,

    Yeah, expose you to be the lying little coward you are.

    And I have another surprise for you too,

    Your from the NYC area ?

    BRB

    THIS IS THE REAL "RIGHT WINGERS ARE TRA|TORS"

    ALL OF THE POST BETWEEN
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    Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 3:02 AM

    And

    Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 3:51 AM
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Are post by someone else. My guess is RedWolf aka Pink Kitty.
    It sounds something that little punk would do.

    Futher, it seems that this is not the first time something like this has happened.

    I did say at 2:48 that I was going out for a bite to eat, and I guess that since RedWolf will have to lose his handle hear in a little bit once I PROVE him to be a lying little punk (( I guess he can blame it on being molested by his dad, and pimped out to his whore mothers excess clients )) he is taking one last stab as REDWOLF,

    What a punk.

    I love cock. I dream of sucking the sweet man juice of any and all of the truth tellers such and Hannity, Humes, and O'Reilly. I imagine the joy on Hannity's pretty face as I gargle his essents, before I swallow it like a warm raw egg.

    Uh,,,,,Uh,,,,,I posted this to the wrong sight. Disregard this. I'm not gay. I swear.

    Ok, Pink Litty, here

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22involuntary+call+up%22+%22+discharged%22+&btnG=Search

    are literally hundreds of articles, about the involutary recall of thousands of troops, that have already been discharged and not in the reserves.

    You and everyone else here can sort through, but I know that there were some recalls in 2002 and 2003.

    there are also some documents from the DOD and other OFFICIAL government websites, that have EXTENSIVE documents about the same thing.


    Oh, and I promised you a surprise.

    I called an old Army buddy, he wasnt too glad to be awakened but when he knew it was me, he cheered up.

    He happened to be an army recruiter, in NYC in late 1997,

    He said that he KNOWS you are a LYING F*CK WAD, his words not mine, and here is why.


    By the early 90's recruiters in the NYC area, were already using hte NYC Gang Task Force list of known bangers.

    Now everyone else here should remember this, the standards for getting in were VERY high then. They were not even accepting GEDs in lieu of HS Diplomas, except in very special cases.

    And they certainly were not accepting Drug dealing gang bangers.

    Sgt *******, said that if you,( RED WOLF ) would like to, and you will send me your phone number to pass on to him, he would LOVE to meet you for a FACE TO FACE discussion.

    He is in NYC, I am way down here in Texas. He said he could straighten you out, and would love the opportunity to do so.

    So RED Wolf, pink kitty, SGT ******* is calling "here pussy pussy "

    Do it not bother you people that the news these days does not let you form your own opinions, and make your own decisions? Are you so blind that you need to be told what to like and what to believe??
    Do you also like to be looked at as stupid and unintelligent, and not smart enough to understand.

    What a bunch of losers...
    damn...

    To Loki,,


    I understand your point and agree.

    I would take it one step further, there is a group of people here, that WILL NOT SEE THE TRUTH.

    It is not that they dont see the truth, or that the truth is not accesable to them. and I dont even accept the premise that they are too stupid to see it right in front of their face,

    There are some, like a 3 year old child, will not admit the truth when they know what it is.

    I said that last part, because my 3 year old grandson got into the candy bars, and ate one.

    When asked about it, he denied it, When it was pointed out that he had chocolate all around his mouth, in between his fingers, basically he was covered in chocolate, he still denied it.

    I had to do something that I dont do too ofter, swatted him oh his behind. I then explained that it wasnt the eating of the chocolate bar that got him the swat, it was the lying about it.

    I guess someone should take some of these people out and see if a swat would help them out.

    It is something their parents should have taken care of, but apparently it was neglected.

    The persistant ignorance of how our system of government works by both the leftist radicals that post on this site and their cheerleader, Keith Olbermann, is starting to make me worry! Perhaps it is not ignorance....perhaps the left and Olbermann WANT our Constitution to be ignored!

    We live is a REPRESENTATIVE democracy....the founders created an executive buffered for FOUR WHOLE YEARS from the waxing and sometimes ill-advised mob support of that which they were FREQUENTLY skeptical. President Bush should NOT solely function as a robot programmed by 50.1% + of the polled US population, as one of Olbermann's supporters claimed last night........

    "It means he works for us. The people are his employer. You seem to have forgotten this, but would only happen to remember if a Dem became president."

    This is childish and SIMPLISTIC!

    Remember, the branch of our government MORE closely connected to and more easily influenced by our people was changed in the last election.....BUT BARELY! ONE, that's ONE Sentaor majority in The Senate for the Dems.....And, what is it?....about 30 in The House....

    With this ideological configuration, and the parlamentary procedures legally allowed....The President's opposition may pursue STOPPING his policy as the founders envisioned.....CUT HIS FUNDING!

    Stop the demogoguery! Stop the name calling! Stop the sarcasm to try to change Bush's policy....IT WILL NOT AND SHOULD NOT WORK! Use the legal remedies so available to change the policy. I agree with THE SMALL group of protestors AT THE CAPITAL BUILDING...that is where the pressure should be applied...Bush is not open to mob intimidation....The Congress may be.

    Olbermann hardly mentioned this correct and ADULT approach to the crisis last night. His Special Comment was nothing more than irresponsible vindictive hate speech. Stop the speeches....and act!

    Vote to cut the war's funding now, if this is such a HUGE and deadly mistake.

    What do you say, Olbermann apologists?

    I am going to repeat this over and over again because I am sick and tired of the lack of intellegence displayed by the pseudostatesmen/women in our current system, and their supporters. I expect all LEADERS, even of the opposition, to act properly and use all of the constitutionally allowed tools available to them to forward their agenda....I will gladly support any outcome that results from this CORRECT behavior.

    Get a grip people, and stop Bush NOW!

    "In November 2002, Olbermann published an essay on Salon.com entitled "Mea Culpa" in which he conceded that his own insecurities and neurotic behavior had led to many of his problems at work."

    Sorry Olbyapologist but the ONLY reason Olbermann wrote that essay was because he was out of work and all but unemployable at the time. He NEVER would have written it otherwise. He was desperate to get another job and it worked, CNN picked him up as a commentator and then MSNBC gave him the Countdown gig.

    And Keith was quite the model employee at first at MSNBC. He was willing to anchor breaking news coverage, do extra hours. And then his ratings began to pick up. The liberal media and internet began to pay him attention. Magazine articles were written about him. And the EGO that roared surfaced again. Refused to go to the Gulf Coast. Refused to go anywhere in fact. Refusals to do any extra midterm election coverage. The slamming of his employers and coworkers began. The feuds with management started anew. Insults and snarky statements/comments made about his coworkers & managers, etc. THAT is the real Keith Olbermann, not the widely cited Mea Culpea.

    What you need to understand about Keith Olbermann is that he is one of the most calculating and cynical Son-of-a-Bitches to ever work in television and that is really saying something. Every single thing he does, up to and including suddenly acquiring a girlfriend he can't shut up about in the middle of a sex scandal and at renegotiation time is extremely calculated. This is a man who never ever used the word "girlfriend" in an interview until it was useful for him to do so because he was in hot water re his sexual behavior and because he needed to make himself seem "normal" at contract talk time.

    And you are living on yes, Olbyplanet if you think he actually BELIEVES half the crap he spouts in those Special Comments. They are done to boost his ratings, get him attention from the internet, get more articles written about him, get publicity for himself, and yes, widen his fan base, etc.

    With Keith, it's always about Keith and it's never about anything else and if you think he's got any other motivation beyond furthering his own career you're crazier than he is.

    Roosevelt - 500,000 American soldiers dead
    - Inturnment of Japanese and Germans
    - Illegal lend-lease program

    Dubya - 3,000 American Soldiers dead
    - Insinuated dems are unpatriotic
    - listens to calls from Outside the US to inside the US

    There is no comparison. Yep Dubya destroying the world.

    I'm actaully planning with a few of my friends to hit a peace rally with eggs! We do it all the time!

    Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 1:42 AM

    Red Wolf admits he doesn't only not want peace, he's threatened by people who do.

    Sad, piece of shit this Big Bad Red Wolf is !

    Dubya has had a Congress during most of his reign which controlled by his own party and which did nothing but prostrate itself before his tarnished throne and ink and re-ink an enormous rubber stamp. Cornyn, Dole, Frist, Hutchinson, McConnell, to name just a few senators, and virtually every Republican member of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, number themselves among the laziest, least inquisitive, poorest statesmen this country has ever had. So, while Dubya deserves all the scorn and ridicule we can pile at his feet, let's save some for a completely wretched and wholly ineffective Republican Congress (with pardons to a handful of responsible, patriotic members likes Senators Hagel and Snowe).

    You are exactly correct , Kurt.
    I've been driving this point home for 3 years, myself.
    The wingnuts have given their Do Nothing Congress a complete pass while finding something, anything to pin on the democrats.Now that the situation is reversed,all of a sudden they have their microscopes out on the new democratic Congress.

    They are the prototypical example of being hypocrites, but just shrug it off like water over a rock.

    Right Wingers are Traitors,
    Hey just caught you in a lie.
    They didn't use the NYC Gang Task Force infoand I never said I was arrested. Also they were taking HS Diplomas and GED. That's a bunch of crock about them they not taking gang members, they were. I know because when I signed up and had to take a drug test and physical down in FT. Hamilton in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn there were members of the Decepticons, Netas, Insectos, Zulu Nation, Golden Ginnies, DMS, TFS, TA7, Lost Boyz, MVK and the list goes on. When I went for basic down in Fort Knox, Kentucky there were Blood, Crips, Folks and Gangat Disciples.
    Your obviously a fraud because the recruiters didn't care. It's like they told us whatever we were before we joined doesn't matter. So keep teseting me and I'll keep expose you as the Jihad loving Head in the sand pinko Commie. You're not military
    So keep going with this. You and your imaginary recruiter freind. What's his name SGT. Asshaole.
    The fact is your obviously obsessed with me. I guess I must of struck a nerve of your. Your not militaryt. You a frusrtated ex hippie that uses Cialis like your idol Olbermann. Of course you'll keep googling bull crap info and keep talking to your imaginary freind. Have you checked into a doctor. As a matter of fact I'm gonna call Leftwing Limp Loser!

    "Sgt *******, said that if you,( RED WOLF ) would like to, and you will send me your phone number to pass on to him, he would LOVE to meet you for a FACE TO FACE discussion."

    How about me and you meet for a face to face. Your a bitchass so do you want to bring it on?
    Give me your nuber and we can meet and settle this like men. You pussy Cialis using commie. You can bring your imaginary friend. You loser!
    So do you want it. Bring it on Leftwing Limp loser.

    "He is in NYC, I am way down here in Texas. He said he could straighten you out, and would love the opportunity to do so.

    I'm in Florida, so you want to come here to Miami? I left NY to get away from the ignorant Racist Democrats. Your Imaginery can come too. So what's up you take this out of the blogosphere and into real life. Where in Texas are you. I'll drive out there next week and wecan settle this. Obviously your upset I've exposed you as a Jihad sympathizer and a make believe military man. Who the heel is gonna call someone late at night. That's a bunch of crap.
    So what's up you take this the nect level. It might just be a situation you can't handle. I did I tell you I have Colombian relatives. Do you want to end in a Colombian necktie? the choice is yours. You'll be stepping on shit you can't handle. So give me your contact info and so we can do this.

    Cee: Perhaps it is not ignorance....perhaps the left and Olbermann WANT our Constitution to be ignored!

    No , Cee, the patriotic Americans want the Constitution to be upheld. This president has done more to consider it just a piece of paer to ignore than any other president in our lifetime.

    "His Special Comment was nothing more than irresponsible vindictive hate speech."

    Cee, are you deaf, dumb or blind?
    Keith's special comment last night was 100% accurate with all he said.
    He painted a portrait of this president's actions that right on the money.No wonder it made you ill.Bush's actions is stomach churning !

    "Vote to cut the war's funding now, if this is such a HUGE and deadly mistake."

    Again your lack of knowledge of the process surfaces.The money has already been allocated. Any funds being cut off will have to come from next year's budget.So stop your blathering about cutting off the funds.AND you need not go into your cut and past mode, b/c the finance chairman who is responsible for the monies has spoken these exact words.

    "I expect all LEADERS, even of the opposition, to act properly and use all of the constitutionally allowed tools available to them to forward their agenda....I will gladly support any outcome that results from this CORRECT behavior."

    This is in the process but it does take some time. Unfortunately, our mad president is not waiting for any PROCESS and has already sent additional troops to the Middle East.

    Cee: 100 %wrong , as usual.

    To everone,
    I'm really sorry about my above posts. But this fraudalent Internet Geek, had the audacity to question my service. With every answer I gave him he kept trying to disprove. Unfortunently his facts don't add up. I can provide more info on my mIlitary service but what's the point. If he really was Military he wouldn't have continued this. Think about this, who's gonna call someone in the middle of the night over a blog commentary? No one. This person ia frustrated loser. But like all Leftists they can't defend their spokesman Teheran Keith. So they must attack people. I must hit a nerve with my exposure of Olbermann as an Iranian agent.

    "Keith's special comment last night was 100% accurate with all he said."

    His ignoring of Iran's support of Hizballah and Al-Qaeda isn't accurate. He defended Iran. Since when Iran is a sympathetic country. Olbermann made it seem so.

    You people are funny...you keep hi-fiving yourselves, and declaring yourselves the winner, as if you could possibly be an impartial judge of that.
    ==================================================
    Mike, NO side has an exclusive on this behavior, I've seen it aplenty on the right and left and my disdain is equal for any instance of it.

    That's right. Keith's special comment was right on. Bush is the equivalent of a drunken bar fly and Keith is the all knowing bartender, the bartender who allows the underage sluts Iran and Syria into the bar because they give him handjobs late night. Keith is the bartender who pays off health and human services and then calls some other place a dump. Keep servin 'em up Keith. You inglorious nutbag. Don't let hypocrisy, exagerration, or hyperbole get in your way. Just keep yappin' it attracts us loons like flies on a turd. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, this board has just degenerated too quickly into worse than juvenile behavior.

    I'm staying off it till tonight's countdown board comes up. Here's hoping it's a good deal more mature (but then again, drunken monkeys would be more mature).

    TeHeran Keith and his Gay lover Leftwing limp loser are a match made in heaven. Both are delusional and live in fantasy land! In their mind America because Bush is President is evil and Iran, Syria, Hizballah, Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

    If Bush had lost Ohio in 2004, Kerry wouldn't have won by a landslide either. Until recently, there has been a completely divided country. Now people are united about the war. I have done much soul searching about the issue. I stated somewhere along the way that I can't inject myself back in time but I tried to do it yesterday after speaking to a very good friend. This friend holds the same values as I do. She has older children than I do and stated that at the time of the decision, she could not throw herself 100% behind the war when she thought about her 16 year old son.

    Somebody said that I could in no way empathize with families sending their children off to war. It's true; I can't because mine are too young. I can sympathize; there is a difference. I did believe that there was justification for the decision (without rehashing the old arguments over and over again). I believe that President Bush made blunders causing the military members and their families to pay a heavy price. If my children were there and one were KIA or seriously wounded, I really can't say how I would feel about the President. There are parents (who gave live interviews so it's not hearsay) who still support the war and others who do not. If I had the contacts, the money, the proper experience, I would be interested in being an imbedded reporter, like Michelle Malkin is doing.

    Challenger Grim,
    I apologize for my posts. But some internet tough guys had the audacity to try proving I wasn't in the military. It blew up in his face and had to google to try to get info. Unlike me that spoke from experience. When he comes back I'm gonna grill him about his service.

    sharon,
    What I don't like about the war was that there was no planning and not enough troops were sent. Also it has been heavily politicized by the Leftwing press and some on the Right. One of my cousins now on his 3rd tour was in the initial invasion and he told me there were supply issues and sloppiness. Right I have 2 in Iraq and they feel they're hands are tied and they're wasting btheir time. They're upset at Bush for not allowing them to do what needs to be done to crush the insurgents. But they detest the Left for spewing pro-Jihad propaganda and making our troops out to be that bad guy. They told me of the hatred troops have to reporters and how they feel the press is providing propaganda for the enemy. Unless we do a real surge of 40,000 troops. It's a useless cause. That being said if we withdraw we should level the Sunni triangle and let the Shia and Kurd handle business.

    When Olby had to behave himself after the President's speech, he and Matthews interviewed B. Obama. When asked about the President's focus on Iran, he responded that keeping the Iranians in check (he said something to the effect of making sure there is no mischief) was appropriate but that there still needed to be some dialogue. His reaction was given just after the sppech. He didn't seem to be on board with Olby's rantings concerning the President's comments about Iran.

    sharon,
    I have stated for months that Teheran Keith sia an Iranian propagandist. He supports Mahmoud Ahmadinejad an never has criticize his anti-Semitic rants. He'll defend Iran to the end.

    Red Wolf,

    I agree about the planning (which was really not known when Bush gave his ultimatum to Saddam. I also agree that the soldiers' hands were tied. McCain said all along there was not enough troops. When of the first problems occurred with the looting. AT the time, I could understand the people wanting to trash Saddam's palaces and take all of the items paid for by money designated for them. But then, the criminals got out of control. At a later point, Abu Graib and then when the mosque was blown up, the sectarian violence. There were not enough troops. One of the problems I recall is that the 4th Infantry Division (correcet me if I am wrong about the division) got there later because Turkey wouldn't cooperate.

    As far as reporting, Ollie (love him or hate him) has gone over 8 times as an imbed. Is he hated by the marines? I assume not, but I don't know.

    "why" lies...

    "Again your lack of knowledge of the process surfaces.The money has already been allocated. Any funds being cut off will have to come from next year's budget.So stop your blathering about cutting off the funds.AND you need not go into your cut and past mode, b/c the finance chairman who is responsible for the monies has spoken these exact words."

    ###
    Give me a quote that is applicable to SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. In February of 2007, President Bush will have to request additional funding for The Iraq War. Senator Kennedy and Representative Kucinich have specific plans that could, if passed by a veto proof margin in the House, force a change in policy.

    This is how our Representative Democracy works, fools! It does not simply work by yelling and screaming OPINIONS from a news desk...Yes, those who agree with Olbermann will be stirred to act....but the ruling class has the ultimate responsibility to respond to the people's cries.

    Bush was elected in 2004, he has another 2 years to work his policies as he sees fit, under The Constitution. The new House and some Senators only have 2 years and this influence of public opinion can be expressed through budgetary restraint....even laws that require The President to draw down troop levels.

    The radical left does not seem to want to act here....they only whine.

    AND FURTHERMORE....IF what what you say is try, why,

    "No , Cee, the patriotic Americans want the Constitution to be upheld. This president has done more to consider it just a piece of paer to ignore than any other president in our lifetime."

    The President should be impeached for overstepping his Constitutional authority. Removing Bush and Cheney from office would also result in a change in foreign policy.

    I am 100% right with regards to funding, why.....You just can't accept the truth that the Democrats are holding back because there is political risk in actually implementing what they really want.....A draw-down of troops over the next 12 months. They could force it.....but they don't want to.

    You have to ask "why," why.

    am 100% right with regards to funding, why.....You just can't accept the truth that the Democrats are holding back because there is political risk in actually implementing what they really want.....A draw-down of troops over the next 12 months. They could force it.....but they don't want to.

    You have to ask "why," why.

    Posted by: cee at January 12, 2007 11:11 AM

    As usual, your hypocrisy is overwhelming. As if Bush isn't holding back because of political influence. He planned to be in Iran by now. He knows he hasn't the political muscle to do it at this point. You are now looking for ways to have the Democrats look bad instead of your precious republicans lead because they are proven failures. Even you very warped mind knows that but you are too far gone to admit it.


    CREDIBILITY OF BUMBLING BUSH ADMIN IN LAST THROES

    -- Senators Slam Dunk Secretary of State`s Latest Round of Bushit --

    WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice found herself at the intersection of anger and ambition when senators called her to account Thursday for a deeply unpopular war. Five presidential aspirants on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as well as other up-and-comers in the new Democratic majority, made sure their voices were heard. And these voices -- Republican ones included -- were full of frustration and mistrust about how President Bush has prosecuted and pitched the Iraq war. `The most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam.` Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska was talking about Bush`s speech on Wednesday night, when the president announced his plan to increase U.S. troops in Iraq.


    Sharon,
    " recall is that the 4th Infantry Division (correcet me if I am wrong about the division) got there later because Turkey wouldn't cooperate."
    You are correct. That prevented us from having a prensence in the Sunni triangle earlier.

    Olli North is well loved. He's the real deal. The reporters they hate are the tv talking heads that provide propaganda for the enemy and are quick to condemn military mistakes but stay silent on Al-Qaeda/Baathist atrocities.

    Donora, PA,
    Why is the American Left pro-Iran? Itr's a facist regim. Look I'm not calling for an invasion, but we shouldn't kiss up to them. If any Iranian agaent is caught in Iraq helping Al-Qaeda or the Mahdi Army, they should be fair game.

    Cee: "I am 100% right with regards to funding "

    Here proves that you are not.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00261

    The war is funded until Sept 2007.

    Time to get your truthstick out and beat yourself over your head with it.

    Well, well, well.....

    Are you this naive to suggest only me, cee, and George Bush are cynical enough to be playing political games with war? Wrongo.

    George Bush is doing EXACTLY was LBJ did in 1965.....The difference is what will happen in the future......

    Will the terrorists succeed like the NVA and VietCong did and force retreat and defeat?

    LBJ ran away from his war in 1968.....George Bush is continuig the honorable path.

    So please, Donora....stop the whining about political risk.....Bush could have done 100% what the Dems and you are asking and the annhilation of millions of Iraqis after US withdrawal would have been spun by the left as Bush's fault.

    Your Machiavellian mind is projecting YOUR motives in this war debate on me.....and you are deluded.

    Keith Olbermann: " Now it is his( Bush's ) credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people.

    This is so true. Keith is correct, but the nimrods would rather talk about the size of his ass, or what camera angle he is using instead of actually listening to what he says.

    Read my post, why.....The increase will require ADDITIONAL funding that the congress could refuse to grant...

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-01-10T170047Z_01_WAT006836_RTRIDST_0_IRAQ-USA-COST-URGENT.XML

    Please try to keep up.....and talk to me in February when your party doesn't do what it should constitutionally do!

    Olbermann wants an American defeat in Iraq. He just spouts Al-qaeda/Iranian propagand. His dream is to see an Islamic victory there so he can rot for his buddies.

    Olbermann BELIEVES "Now it is his( Bush's ) credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people."

    Facts are funny things, why.....they can be proven true or false...even in the future.

    Mmmmm...it seems like Bush is taking a pretty big risk here....what about you, "why?" What about your party?

    I believe the latest poll show about 3/10 support the President....wow, what an idiot to go against 70% of the people....I wonder why he's doing it?

    Credibility has NOTHING to do with the real issue......Bush has acted DECISIVELY...his "cards are on the table." Now, what do you do to stop him?

    And you, wducwmni, would never stoop to such levels. If it was Bush's plan all along to be in Iran now, Why didn't Obama (maybe our next future pres?) say that when asked for a response about Iran immediately after the speech? Don't you think he would have pounced on that one?

    I wanted to say "FACTS" are funny things, why.....they can be proven true or false...even in the future.

    Because leftists like you and Keith Olbermann say things are "facts" when they really are opinions.

    Notice Cee has backed off of his erroneous statement about the Dems cutting off funds.
    They can't until Sept,2007.

    "George Bush is continuig the honorable path."

    Generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people DISAGREE with your statement.

    Cee, you've got nothing
    ... but misplaced patriotism by supporting a policy that will result in more American and Iraqi deaths, with little to no chance to succeed.

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "
    Albert Einstein

    SOund like anyone you know? Hint: initials are GWB

    "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and hence clamorous to be led to safety- by menancing it with an endless series of hobgoblins."

    H.L Mencken , the "sage of Baltimore".

    Dumbasses like Cee, RedWolf, Rico, Grammie, Cecilia etc haven't picked up on this yet.

    "Why didn't Obama (maybe our next future pres?)"

    Barack Obama has NO chance of becoming president anytime soon.
    If he was the absolute best choice for president, he STILL would not be electable.

    America ( on the whole) will not vote for a black man for president.
    If his name was Steve Smith, he still couldn't get elected.Barack has a muslim name and a middle name of Hussein.
    Are you kidding me?

    He has no shot.

    Much of America is still racist enough to NOT vote for an African American male for president( yes for Congress , governor or mayor, but not president),even if he is the best candidate out there.

    I wish it were different in these UNited States, but it isn't, not yet.

    `Facts have a well-known liberal bias.` -- Jon Stewart

    Cramit Chickenhawk
    AKA Slappy

    Those who opposed the war from the beginning, I am curious as to when you believe withdrawal should have taken place? Once the war was underway, when should troop withdrawal have begun? (Not what should have happened with proper planning, but with what did happen). I am only asking because I want to know when you believe it should have occurred. I know your position that the war was bogus, mistake, all that. But the decision was made. At what point should the President have started withdrawal? In my opinion (which isn't much) it could not have happened before a government was in place because whose feet could have been held to the fire to even threaten withdrawal? I don't know what kind of restriction the soldiers had before but it appears now, they've been given carte blanche.

    I hope Bush attacks Iran. It'll laugh seeing an Iranian victory! Iran will kick Bush's ass!

    I jst finished having anal sex with my Sgt. Lover. Ahh that vasaline heals the pain!

    First wducwmni, Obama's electibility is a different question. Why didn't he respond forcefully about Iran? As far as his chances of becoming President, I would have agreed with you until I talked to my father over Christmas. Let's just say he was born in 1927 south of the Mason Dixon line. He is a die hard Democrat and would never consider voting R. If he didn't like any candidates, he just wouldn't vote at all. He told me that he would even consider voting for Obama (notice the "even") and seemed impressed with him. I was really preparing for Armgheddon, knowing my father's comments over a lifetime. (He and I see eye to eye about as much as the people on this site do).

    Cee: Will the terrorists succeed like the NVA and VietCong did and force retreat and defeat?

    The Vietnam War ended ( finally) because of 58,000 deaths occurred with no chance of anything ever being accomplished.
    The right screamed Domino Theory. Yet were proven wrong.
    The right screamed that the "red menance" would come right to our doors.
    Again, hysterical rantings from the right, proven wrong.

    The War in Iraq will not succeed for some of the same reasons why the Vietnam War didn't succeed. One, is that you can't win a war that the large bulk of the American people are against.
    And the reason the American people were/are against both wars is b/c we do not belong sticking our noses in other people's generational problems.

    Among the 58,245 names of those inscribed on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington are some whose fathers had been killed in World War Two. Today, the children of Vietnam veterans are serving in Iraq. Last weekend, US Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Aaron Kent of Portland, Ore., a medical corpsman serving with the 2nd Marine Division, was killed when his Humvee was hit by a roadside bomb near Fallujah. His father, Gary Kent, had been a soldier in Vietnam.

    "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

    Cee doesn't learn from history, nor does George Bush.

    The American people have and that is why they are overwhelming against this War in Iraq.


    Keith was pretty much spot on last night. 63%of the American public thinks the Dems SHOULD cutoff funding. That's more than Vietnam. They've 28 Republicans that want to vote no confidence (it's going to happen early next week) McConnell can't even get 35 people to filibuster. It's over for Mr Bush. He's going to be longing for his now 32% approval rate, he's going to the 20's and he'll really be the laughing stock of the world. I Can't Wait!!!!!As Bil Maher said las night "Mr ANDBush is nothing but a stupid child emperor and it's our patriotic duty to ridicule lambast and embarass him in the eyes of the world his last two years. I think its already done!!!! AND...in the hearings, Rice, Gates and Pace were all told that Bush doesn't have authorization to attack Iran, he must go to Congress first for authorization (rice and gates agreed) or it will be an impeachable offense. Condi turned black when she heard that,oops I mean red orbrown or whatever!!!

    Mike, I see you posted after I logged off last night.

    I took your first respose re Red Wolf to be a throwaway line. Come on, who would you persuade or inform with that statement? It would be just as valid as GWB is no more qualified than I am to be president.

    You made the argument that the enemy within sometimes is more dangerous than the enenmy without and this is one of those times. GWB and his supporters are more of a threat to US citizens and survival than Al Qaeda, Syria, Iran etc.

    At least now I understand something that has disturbed me since GWB was elected. As others have pointed out, KO typifies it. During a war a so called journalist has never mentioned the enemy except as a budgeon to use against GWB, much less even faintly damning. And it seems prevalent among many.

    You have met the enemy and the enemy is us. That is startling. I guess I've always realized at some level or another. But an unequivacal statement kind of takes the breath away.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    why do u care,
    what would happen after we leave Iraq. Have Iran take over the Shia part and Al-Qaeda the sunni part. Unlike the Vietcong, the Islamists have imperial ambition. Read about Islamic conquets through out the centuries and you'll se the concequences.

    Post Bush speech: Bush's approval ratings are at an all time low.

    Demonstrations against the escalation of the war are breaking out all over the US.

    Bush is bringing Americans together( in their opposition against him)

    Shades of Nixon and Vietnam in the 70's.

    Bush and Nixon: purrrfect together !

    JennaB,
    So your glad the leader of our nation will be ridiculed before the world. That'll embolden the Islamists and Iran. I guess you support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Way to go JennaB. Your last comment will earn you the respect of ...

    I'm coming back later to take on the Pro-Islamic left. Starting with Bison burger and Lefthanded limpy loser. I have to crash one of these peace rallies. My peeps are here so I have to go pelt the Jihad supporters with eggs!

    why said: "Notice Cee has backed off of his erroneous statement about the Dems cutting off funds.
    They can't until Sept,2007."

    You are either blind or a liar....

    Read my post BEFORE that gives you an article that shoots down you lie about the war being funded through 2007.....

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-01-10T170047Z_01_WAT006836_RTRIDST_0_IRAQ-USA-COST-URGENT.XML

    I'll even give you all the actual article....

    WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's plan for Iraq includes a $6.8 billion budget request to pay for a 20,000 troop increase as well as jobs and reconstruction programs aimed at stabilizing the country, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

    Facing growing U.S. frustration with the war, Bush will lay out his strategy in a speech at 9 p.m. (0200 GMT on Thursday).

    The $6.8 billion will be added to a broader war-spending bill Bush will unveil in FEBRUARY FOR FISCAL 2007, according to two U.S. official who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity.

    The total price tag for the emergency legislation was already expected to reach $100 billion, making 2007 the costliest year yet for the conflict.

    Bush plans to send 17,500 troops to Baghdad and 4,000 to the volatile Anbar province, the officials said, adding that the Iraqi government has promised to add troops as well. The increases will take place in waves, with the first additional brigade, usually 3,500 to 4,000 troops, expected to arrive on Jan. 15.

    ###
    Holding supplemental appropriations and laws restricting the numbers of deployed troops have been used by previous BRAVER congresses to stop The President from conducting foreign policy out of sync with the majority opinion in the congress.
    Do you not think it is time to do so?

    why do u care,
    what would happen after we leave Iraq. Have Iran take over the Shia part and Al-Qaeda the sunni part. Unlike the Vietcong, the Islamists have imperial ambition. Read about Islamic conquets through out the centuries and you'll se the concequences.

    Posted by: Redwolf at January 12, 2007 12:26 PM

    What would happen?

    The Iraqis would have to defend their own country, as was the goal all along( actually Bush kept changing the goal posts, each time he was proven wrong)

    Saddam kept the generational wars in check and was a buffer to Iran. Just goes to show you the WISDOM of getting rid of Saddam.

    I got here late today. Who are these guys?

    "Keith Olbermann: " Now it is his( Bush's ) credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people."

    Thats OK. My history professor just told me: Card carrying members of the Flat Earth Society in 1491. Their membership slowly died off after 1492 and Columbus's discoveries.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Do you not think it is time to do so?

    I most certainly do, and I hope the Congress complies.

    And if they don't, this plan will fall flat on it's face on it's own lack of merit and common sense. Why?

    read below.

    I have a question for you Cee.
    How can you have confidence that this escalation of 20,000 troops will succeed when we had the same influx of troops at the end of 05' and THAT didn't succeed ?

    See above quote by Einstein.

    Grammie equates members of the Flat Earth Society with generals, diplomats, allies, Democrats, Republicans, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November and the majority of the American people.

    Grammie, you one dumb broad !...and your support of a war and president that has been a disgrace, means you are also a disgrace !

    And if I'm not mistaken you belong to the current Flat Earth Society chapter with your (ignorant) views on global warming.

    I remember your posts from a few months ago.
    Hard to forget those choice morsels of ignorance.


    BUSH: IRAQ IS AN UNACCEPTABLE FAILURE, SO LET`S DO IT SOME MORE

    -- Sorry Voters, Sorry Congress, Sorry Soldiers, Sorry Baker-Hamilton --

    WASHINGTON -- Unswayed by anti-war passions, President Bush will send 21,500 additional U.S. troops to Iraq and build the American presence there toward its highest level to quell worsening bloodshed. The move puts Bush on a collision course with the new Democratic Congress and runs counter to advice from some senior generals as well as many prominent Republicans. Announcing his intentions in a prime-time speech Wednesday night, Bush acknowledged making mistakes in Iraq, primarily failing to deploy enough U.S. soldiers and demanding more Iraqi troops and cooperation to confront the country`s near-anarchy.


    "My peeps are here so I have to go pelt the Jihad supporters with eggs!"

    Many of these peace supporters are vets that will kick your ass.Please tell me where you live so I can come observe this ass whupping.

    wduywmni,

    I think I have heard every politician say that they are glad Saddam is out of power. But some may feel as you do but won't say it unless it becomes politically expedient to say it. I previously asked when the President should have started withdrawal (leaving aside your opinion that the U.S. should never have attacked- we all know your opinion). See 12:08 comment. When?

    "Keith was pretty much spot on last night. 63%of the American public thinks the Dems SHOULD cutoff funding. That's more than Vietnam. They've 28 Republicans that want to vote no confidence (it's going to happen early next week) McConnell can't even get 35 people to filibuster. It's over for Mr Bush. He's going to be longing for his now 32% approval rate, he's going to the 20's and he'll really be the laughing stock of the world. I Can't Wait!!!!!As Bil Maher said las night "Mr ANDBush is nothing but a stupid child emperor and it's our patriotic duty to ridicule lambast and embarass him in the eyes of the world his last two years. I think its already done!!!! AND...in the hearings, Rice, Gates and Pace were all told that Bush doesn't have authorization to attack Iran, he must go to Congress first for authorization (rice and gates agreed) or it will be an impeachable offense. Condi turned black when she heard that,oops I mean red orbrown or whatever!!!"

    You bet!

    Then let's have at it....get those representatives to cut off the funding and get those troops home. Our republic is working! Hurrah!

    Cee saw my question and ....didn't answer.

    I understand why , Cee.

    "I hope Bush attacks Iran. It'll laugh seeing an Iranian victory! Iran will kick Bush's ass

    Posted by: Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 12:11 PM"

    From the We Support the Troops and You Don't nananana brigade.

    Mike, are you listening? Remind me again who the real enemy is.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    wdycwmni,

    Could this time be different because Maliki has been told in no uncertain terms what he must do? That the soldiers don't have restrictions on their actions this time around? That is what I heard in the speech.

    "I previously asked when the President should have started withdrawal (leaving aside your opinion that the U.S. should never have attacked- we all know your opinion)."

    At the point it was CLEAR that the Iraqi government was not going to stand up for itself the first time around (which I think was mid-2005), we should have set the HARD deadline of "shape up in 12 months or we're gone". Then, we should have STUCK to that deadline and began pulling out around the Summer of 2006 (this was alos when it became clear Iraq was degenerating into a civil war).

    Sharon: I previously asked when the President should have started withdrawal (leaving aside your opinion that the U.S. should never have attacked- we all know your opinion).

    First of all, is that not your opinion?..even what you know now, you think this war was a good idea?

    I believe the president should have started withdrawals as soon as it became evident that our soldiers are dying in vain and can't accomplish what his bad policies have set out to do.
    Bush, in la la land, still is willing to sacrifice more troops for his bad policies.


    I realized from day one that this Iraq War was doomed to failure and told everyone that would listen.

    I was called a traitor, Jihad lover, etc...just like the nimrods do today.
    Except history has proven me correct and them wrong.

    "How can you have confidence that this escalation of 20,000 troops will succeed when we had the same influx of troops at the end of 05' and THAT didn't succeed ?"

    Because if you did your own research, Einstein, and read that there are more areas of Iraq without sectarian violence than there was in 2005 BUT the increases have occurred in concentrated Baghdad and Anbar...the smaller concentrated area could be secured. Also, Maliki presented to the Joints Chiefs a new political and military plan that is more aggressive in dealing with the Shia militia and the Sunni insurgency.

    Also, I have a question for you....If we find more evidence that Iran and Syria ARE aiding the terrorists in Iraq, why would the left so easily give them a pass? They are supporting the killing of United States Troops!

    You see, MANY lessons could be learned from Vietnam.....Ignoring the behavior of Red China and the USSR by Johnson is exactly what we are doing with Iran and Syria....the difference is they are pittly countries without the threat of nuclear bombs or huge armies.

    The mistake was not honoring freedom, commitments and promises made.....Parallels can be drawn between Bush and Johnson, Nixon and even Ford....Read my previous posts about this and you will see your radical left was the CONSISTENT voice of retreat and defeat...leaving millions of asians to die under the oppression of communism.

    Thank you EE. No one else will back up their point. That is a reasonable response. I still wonder if those soldiers doing the training and trying to get them (the Iraqis) to come together feel the same way. They are there. I am not.

    "Why" cool your jets...be patient...I post when I can at work....I am in transit for the next 15 minutes in my car, so CALM DOWN....I answered your questions, anyway!

    EE, so you are pushing for the Dems to block Supplemental Appropriations next month and start all constitutional means to keep their promises to their supporters today.

    Good for you. You're not using something that you consider vital to our country as a political shell game for the Dems to maintain power.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    1:01 was mee, cee

    Once again, tonight I report to you from the swamps of New Jersey.

    MISTER Washington today continued his unwarranted attacks on our beloved red coated leaders and hosts.

    MISTER Washington contiues his contemptable strategery of hiding his soldiers behind trees and other natuural and man-made obstructions and ACTUALLY FIRING from these positions!

    [Pivot]

    MISTER Washington are you actually capable of thinking. You are trying to create your own army and fuel an unwarranted rebellion.

    [Pivot]

    Who will be the last farm boy to die to forward your selfish agenda? An agenda that simply seeks to create riches for your friends the business owners as they would end up with a tax cut from the removal of Our King's well deserved and utilized taxes.

    [Pivot]

    And who does this wooden toothed delusional fraud think he is? No one has elected him to office...He is not appointed as a General in His Majesty's Royal Army...

    The colonies will be without friends and protectors if he continues his warring ways. And where will we be then, I ask you...

    Good Night & Good Luck to His Majesty's Royal Army

    Could this time be different because Maliki has been told in no uncertain terms what he must do? That the soldiers don't have restrictions on their actions this time around? That is what I heard in the speech.


    Don't you forget our great leader saying," We'll step down when the Iraqis step up."
    Malilki HAS been told this before.
    The Iraqi troops don't have enough bullits for their guns and many of their guns don't work.
    When you look at what we are staking our poor troops lives on, this rag tag army of Maliki's, it is really the theater of the absurd for anyone who has hope for success with this "big mistake made bigger".

    Turn the whole region to Glass and chalk it up to natural selection. It's time to start over.

    Why don't liberals believe in social darwinism?

    Cee @ 1:01, that was great. You spoke volumes in a few short paragraphs.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    He planned to be in Iran by now. He knows he hasn't the political muscle to do it at this point. You are now looking for ways to have the Democrats look bad instead of your precious republicans lead because they are proven failures. Even you very warped mind knows that but you are too far gone to admit it.

    Posted by: Donora, PA. at January 12, 2007 11:24 AM

    ----

    then Constantinople and the rest of the Ottoman Empire shall be his!

    He planned to be in Iran by now. He knows he hasn't the political muscle to do it at this point. You are now looking for ways to have the Democrats look bad instead of your precious republicans lead because they are proven failures. Even you very warped mind knows that but you are too far gone to admit it.

    Posted by: Donora, PA. at January 12, 2007 11:24 AM

    -----

    and then its on to Iowa, and then New Hampshire, and Georgia, and Tennessee and then to the White House.........aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Cee, you got your answer from one those who proclaim to be the only ones who support the troops:

    "I hope Bush attacks Iran. It'll laugh seeing an Iranian victory! Iran will kick Bush's ass

    Posted by: Right Wingers are Traitors at January 12, 2007 12:11 PM"

    They hate Bush so much yhey would be happy to sacrifice every one of them if GWB is taken out at thr end.

    Nice, huh?


    Got to run. There is another lecture on how people like me really don't support the troops.
    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    wdycwmni,

    I think Malaki follows what is going on here. We have had an election since then that shows where our country is. He has got to be feeling the heat much more. I saw that somewhere also, about the poor equipment of the Iraqis. I don't know how widespread that is. It's so hard to tell with a bias in the media. These people have never been on their own. Saddam was always there making them tow his line. Now we are there. If they want us gone, then they'll be getting their wish.

    Sharon, glad to see you today. I thought you might not come back.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    I saw an interview with Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky two nights ago, and the stupidity and shallowness of this man was absolutely dumbfounding.

    He answered EVERY single question he was asked with the talking point that "we haven't been attacked in five years", even though the questions were all specific inquiries regarding policy details about the wisdom of Bush's troop surge. It is clear that his entire position on this, and every other aspect of the war is based on simple minded blind faith in the President.

    Is this an example of the caliber of people we have serving in Congress, especially under the Republican banner? This is unbelievable!

    The really wierd thing is that I personally know people from Kentucky, and yet EVERY single one of them are clearly smarter than the senior senator that represents them! I can't bragg on my own state's representative's either. We have some just as shallow.

    Yet we wonder how our government could possibly have gotten us into such a damned mess!

    To our braindead Cee: You'll say anything to support this bad policy whether it makes sense or not.

    I hear the Dem and Reb Congress is giving this new/old PLAN 3- 6 MONTHS to see if there is any change.
    Want to make a wager on it ?

    You talk about Baghdad and Anbar,yet you ignore the whole rest of Iraq where there continues to have problems.
    Wonder why. I actually know the answer, b/c it makes mincemeat of your support of this non-plan.


    " Also, Maliki presented to the Joints Chiefs a new political and military plan that is more aggressive in dealing with the Shia militia and the Sunni insurgency."

    Right..you mean the Joint Chiefs who said it won't work ?
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    "If we find more evidence that Iran and Syria ARE aiding the terrorists in Iraq, why would the left so easily give them a pass? They are supporting the killing of United States Troops!

    That is a big if !
    First of all, we're going to trust whom on this ?
    Bush/Cheney?
    The ones who have lied to us telling us we've been winning this war, when they knew we weren't?

    We don't even have enough troops to fight the Iraq War, and you want to provoke another one with Iran ?

    Madness, just madness !

    If there is evidence we can trust about Iran and Syria( which will be hard to do) it does put us a a very difficult predictament.
    It just goes on and on...Don't you see by you supporting this war and all the ancillary problems now being created, just puts us deeper and deeper in all this madness ?

    I'm sure you don't !

    Janet:

    I think you missed something. If you go back and review some postings starting with late last night (or early this morning), you will see that an imposter has been using "Right Winger's are Traitor's" handle.

    I'm pretty certain that the post you quoted is one of them.

    I'm not really defending this guy. I think he has come on way too strong, and allowing himself to be drawn into a pissing match with Red Wolf was downright silly, but I think all is not as it is written with this.

    Mike, I'll one up you. I just heard B Boxer questions Coni Rice's fitness to exercise her position, Secretary of State, because she is childless.

    Now that is screwy.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Mike, I went back and looked. Traitor claimed two posts in his name were frauds. And one of those two that you responded to negatively he did not disown, ie GWB=UBL.

    I couldn't say who is who. I've always suspected that some use multiple names.

    This could go either way. None of us are in a position to know with certainty who is who. His name of CHOICE is in its self over the top. And the sentiment is implied, if not stated by many on your side.

    Whoever said it it is reprehensible and disgusting.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Grammie,

    And miss this?

    Check out the new thread. Johnny Dollar is on it already,.

    Grammie,

    new comment, not thread. Right wingers are traitors is the same guy from the other night. When he was still anon, and people were commenting about being a coward, he decided to start using that name. He said something about it being fitting.

    Thanks, I will Sharon. Last night was a repeat of the big bad brave men slithering out and having a narcisstic love myself/hate you fest.

    So juvenile and downright nasty.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Why...

    You provide no proof to dispute me....you are a silly, superficial pseuodintellectual, just like the many leftist posters I have seen and go.

    And instead of giving me a real answer about Syria and Iran....you retreat to "Bush will lie."
    Typical back and forth...no principle, no thought.

    And please quote for me a current military advisor of the President's that said the current policy will not work.

    In point of fact I posted a NYT article on Tuesday that shows the plan IS FROM THE US MILITARY but the leftist propaganda lies once again trying to convince people George Bush is ALL by himself in this....he is not.

    In fact, if the Congress apprpriates one more cent beyond that approved in 2006 for this war...they are supporting it! This is reality.
    So please make sure you come back in February so that we can discuss how your representative behaved.

    In 1973, the congress began the process of forcing us out of Vietnam....we will see if this congress does the same AND what the result will be.

    And please quote for me a current military advisor of the President's that said the current policy will not work.

    Those military advisors and generals that have expressed doubt about this escalation HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED.
    If they want to keep their jobs they know to shut the hell up and follow orders, you fool.
    You are so disingenous.

    And from the WAPO"

    Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. (((((Gen. John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.))))

    Thus fired !

    Bush's decision appears to mark the first major disagreement between the White House and key elements of the Pentagon over the Iraq war since Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, split with the administration in the spring of 2003 over the planned size of the occupation force, which he regarded as too small.

    Mmmm, so Bush was wrong to follow his commander's advise then according to the left, and he is wrong to follow it now? Great argument, why.

    Please read my NYT post from Tuesday....The plan was GIVEN to Bush and the word "grudgingly" also appears in the article form an "unnamed Pentagon insider." Wow, great evidence that Bush is all alone in this.....NOT QUITE.

    And anyway, IF there is so much military opposition to the new plan, The Congress should be able to muster a veto-proof majority to stop the funding of the Bush debacle! Right why?

    Keep spinning, dummy, you are getting yourself deeper.

    First Bush fired generals that said they needed more troops.HE KNEW BETTER ! lololol.

    Now Bush admits he was wrong, and many say it's too little too late, but he proceeds anyway.

    This coward of a president is just trying to save face for his arrogance and collossal mistakes over the past 6 years.

    Cee should ask himself why so many of his own party are jumping ship and saying they can't go along with this madness.

    They are no longer going to commit to an insane policy:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "

    George Bush has lost it.( Privately)many in the White House concur with this assessment.

    Cee continues to wave the flag, and if the Democrats permit Bush's folly to continue for the next 6 months and the plan fails, guess who Cee will blame ?

    One more thing: you say...
    you retreat to "Bush will lie."

    And he hasn't?
    He has said we were winning this war in iraq for years.
    Let 's see when he started changing his mind..
    hmmmmmmmmm
    Beginning of November...Wonder what happened then ?
    He realized he wasn't going to get tacit approval for his lies any longer from his GOP Congress, because THEY LOST.
    So all of a sudden Bush is admitting errors, and saying things haven't worked out like he thought.
    Wonder if he would have ever fessed up if the GOP would have won in Nov!
    Like we ALL don't know the answer to that question.
    Cee can't stomach the undeniable evidence that Bush has lied about us winning the war ( amoung so many other lies)
    Like I said Cee, You got nothing !

    The bells will ring and the people will sing and dance in the streets.

    The King is dead! Long live the Dems.

    And all those peace loving Islamofascists who ONLY HATED BUSH will stop trying to kill us.

    World peace in our lifetime.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "First Bush fired generals that said they needed more troops.HE KNEW BETTER !"

    Proof please

    "George Bush has lost it.( Privately)many in the White House concur with this assessment."

    Proof please

    "Cee should ask himself why so many of his own party are jumping ship and saying they can't go along with this madness."

    This is an easy one....Because they are seeing polls that show erosion of public support in the face of the great challenge the terrorist insurgency has had over the last 18 months. That is their choice to do so....they are wrong to react just like people reacted to Tet in Vietnam, but this is human nature.

    At one time, leaders did what was principled, NOT what was only popular. Keeping the Iraqis secure and free to govern themselves is a commendable goal that is now the reality of our mission. Saddam is dead, there is no more military threat from Iraq proper, however, the radical islamists want an unstable Iraq to further their goal towards a pan-islamic Middle East. Bush is not LBJ or Richard Nixon...he is acting like a real leader not consumed by his public popularity OR what nimrods now say wioll be his historical story. In point of fact, Bush sounds a lot like the man who said this in 1956:

    "This is the revolution we can, we should, we must offer to the people of Vietnam - not as charity, not as a business proposition, not as a political maneuver, nor simply to enlist them as soldiers against Communism or as chattels of American foreign policy - but a revolution of their own making, for their own welfare, and for the security of freedom everywhere. The Communists offer them another kind of revolution, glittering and seductive in its superficial appeal. The choice between the two can be made only by the Vietnamese people themselves. But in these times of trial and burden, true friendships stand out.

    "As Premier Diem recently wrote a great friend of Vietnam, Senator Mansfield, 'It is only in winter that you can tell which trees are evergreen.' And I am confident that if this nation demonstrates that it has not forgotten the people of Vietnam, the people of Vietnam will demonstrate that they have not forgotten us."

    I LOVE this line:

    "It is only in winter that you can tell which trees are evergreen."

    So to the moderate Iraqi Shia and minority Sunni, as well as the Kurds, the Iraqi Christians and Jews, and some atheists.....will we simply desert them like the left wants?

    Read JFK's entire speech at:

    http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/JFK+Pre-Pres/002PREPRES12SPEECHES_56JUN01.htm

    I repeat this post from yesterday because NO ONE from your side responded to it, why. I'll ask you the same question.....

    "Please read his entire speech from 1956....I specifically ask you liberals a simple question....Was Kennedy LYING when he made these wrong judgements (according to you) in 1956?"

    Well? Can you overcome your bitterness and HATRED OF BUSH to realize what you are asking will mean for millions of people in Iraq?

    Lastly,
    IMHO, JFK was THE LAST decent Democrat of national stature in our nation's history. We now only have political hacks in the liberal ruling class who are only concerned about their own economic standing and that of their POLITICAL supporters. JFK was so much more and loved his country....God Bless him!


    Cee, not the same stature of JFK, but an equal in principle is Joe Leiberman

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Cee, not the same stature of JFK, but an equal in principle is Joe Leiberman

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    because he is really a republican.

    Yes, Grammie, and I had the priviledge of being able to vote across party lines for Senator Lieberman in 2000 (for Senator of course...NOT VP!)....And look how he is treated by his own party now!

    BTW, his was the only campaign that got my yearly $20.00 political campaign contribution this cycle, and I don't even live in Connecticut anymore! Aren't I'm such the spender?

    Gen.George Casey and Gen. John P. Abizaid, the top commander in the Middle East, have long resisted adding troops in Iraq and were recently replaced.

    Doesn't take much of a stretch of imagination why they were.

    "And look how he is treated by his own party now!"

    He QUIT THE PARTY - and the only reason he won the general election was because Connecticut doesn't have a "sore loser" law.

    Even John McCain said after the election that if Lieberman's campaign had been about Iraq (which Lieberman spent the entire campaign running from at full speed), he WOULD HAVE LOST!

    Ha ha ha ha ha

    Poster ______ yes....the progeny of McGovern would believe Lieberman is a repub.....

    Oh yeah....he's Jewish too....can't be that now on the radical left!

    In the last two days over a quarter of a million people have signed an on-line petition to Congress to block the escalation and that is increasing rapidly. There is a movement afoot across America right now. People are incensed. Democrats, Republicans and Independents, that the president would ignore the clear message that was sent on Nov. 7.

    There are times at some Washington press conferences that stand out because they cause emotions to well up even inside reporters accustomed to maintaining a professional distance from stories. Usually it's because the person at the microphone, because of what he himself has experienced, can make a special claim on a listener's humanity.

    Such a moment came when Jon Soltz, a former Army officer, Iraq War veteran and currently chairman of Vote Vets, told a story about meeting one of his injured soldiers at a military hospital in Germany.

    "He was blown up. They had to take bones out of his rib and put them into his arm. I had to say to this kid, I hope this is worth it. When American soldiers and Marines have to ask that question, it's because their leadership has failed….

    "Yesterday, since I returned, was the worst day I've had because … they continue to make the same mistakes…. This president makes the same mistake everyday, except yesterday he made it even worse."

    Activists angered by President Bush's decision to send more troops to Iraq staged anti-war demonstrations in several major cities Thursday, protesting that the buildup will cause more bloodshed and give insurgents new American targets.

    Jan Rogers, 58, was among several hundred people who gathered in a bustling San Francisco shopping area during rush hour. She watched Bush's televised speech Wednesday night and said he "doesn't seem to get it."

    "The rest of the country is shouting, 'Stop this insanity,' and I think he's just trying to save his presidency and his legacy. But he's just on the wrong path," Rogers said.

    Law student Zahra Billoo, 23, advocated an immediate troop withdrawal.

    "I think our only presence at this point needs to be humanitarian aid. No more armed soldiers - they're not wanted there," she said.

    In New York, Tony Palladino protested in Lower Manhattan's Foley Square with a pair of anti-war signs. The former Air National Guardsman said the new troops would just give insurgents "20,000 extra targets."

    Rallies were also planned in Boston and some other cities.

    In Times Square, hundreds of anti-war protesters crammed onto a traffic island, chanting "Stop the funding, stop the war" as drivers in one of the world's most famous intersections honked in support.

    Some demonstrators held signs depicting the president as a monkey. Others sold buttons that said "Peace."

    Pat De Angelis said Bush's plan to add more troops would be counterproductive to peace in the Mideast.

    "In times of trouble, like the time we are in now, it helps to feel like you are doing something to right the wrongs," she said.

    A band of pro-war protesters on the other end of the island yelled for passers-by to ignore the anti-war rally. The group held a large sign that said "Warning - Leftist protesters trying to demoralize our troops."

    Were they led by Red Wolf ?

    "They say they are supporting our troops, but they are lying," said Pamela Hall, a member of the United American Committee. "You can't support someone if you don't support what they are doing. It's disrespectful."

    In San Francisco, turnout was decidedly lower than the crowd of 15,000 that organizers had predicted, but they said protesters were merely spread out among other events throughout the Bay Area.

    Thursday's protests were cast as a prelude to a bigger gathering starting Jan. 27 in Washington, where demonstrators plan to urge Congress to stand up to Bush, said Hany Khalil, a spokesman of United for Peace and Justice.

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    "Oh yeah....he's Jewish too....can't be that now on the radical left!"

    That's why Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

    Idiot.

    Joe Lieberman was consistent through out his campaign with regards to Iraq AND do not forget that every other word out of Lamont's mouth was "Iraq."

    Come on, EE....Lieberman was forced out by the radical wing of the Democratic party and abandoned by ALMOST all of his former "friends". People should have stood by him ON PRINCIPLE despite the ridiculous road taken by the fringe in Connecticut politics.

    Don't forget...Lieberman won with Independents over Lamont, not just Repubs.

    87 percent of Jews vote Democrat
    By Yitzhak Benhorin November 8, 2006

    Democratic Party wins largest percentage of Jewish support since 1994. Elections expert: Jews voted for candidates good for Israel, but also focused on other issues

    American Jews expressed flagrant support for Democratic candidates for Congress, contributing to a turnaround in the House of Representatives. According to a CNN sampling of voters, 87 percent of Jewish voters voted Democrat.

    Cee, wrong again.

    Keith's ratings are going up and up. Nowhere near O'Reilly's but O'Reillys have gone down 14% for the first time ever. Keith is hot and a spokesman for most Americans. Be real people, Bush has his lowest approval rating EVER 32%!!! You can thank Keith for that. No Doubt!!!!

    Cee:Come on, EE....Lieberman was forced out by the radical wing of the Democratic party .

    "radical wing of the Democratic Party ?"

    Anything to the left of Lieberman is radical to Cee.

    Cee is an a--hole !

    "That's why Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

    "Idiot."


    I posted a great retort to "The Jewish Vote" canard last week....Jewish support it is actually continuing to go up for Republicans because of the increasing influence of the anti-Semitic left who are taking over The Democratic Party.

    And don't forget what poor, poor anti-semite Jimmy Carter is going through now....His book is just more proof of what the Nobel Peace Prize winner really believes!

    The war on terror is really showing who the closet anti-semites and religious bigots really are in our great country......

    The secular, radical left....like you!

    "People should have stood by him ON PRINCIPLE despite the ridiculous road taken by the fringe in Connecticut politics."

    Yeah, let's fracture the NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY by refusing to support the LEGITIMATE winner of a Democratic primary. Sounds like a wonderful idea...if you're a Republican.

    Why you people have to keep calling Lamont "the fringe" baffles me. In addition the the position that the MAJORITY of Americans supported about Iraq, Lamont was against outsourcing jobs, against standardized testing in schools, against vouchers, for restructuring Medicare Part D, and against Social Security privitization. Last time I checked, these are all MAINSTREAM Democratic positions.

    Craig CRAWFORD: You know, this guy,Bill O'Reilly, he's like the Evil Knievel of TV news. I mean, he's based everything on stunts, you know, and once you do that, you got to have a new stunt every night. So, I guess we'll have Ouija boards next. I mean, look, this is an old formula for Bill O'Reilly -- is to take on a network -- he was after CBS for years, and CBS, I guess that got tired and so, now it's NBC. He's based a show on hating somebody. I mean, he's built an audience of people who want to hear that, and he delivers every night, and it's all about hate. It's like any other addiction, you know, you got to feed the habit.


    Speaking of addictions,Bush is addicted to sending troops to iraq, now he needs more. More troops, more death, same results .

    I posted a great retort to "The Jewish Vote" canard last week.

    And I posted facts proving you wrong, just like I did above.
    87% of Jews vote democratic.

    because of the increasing influence of the anti-Semitic left who are taking over The Democratic Party.


    Another of Cee's fantasies.
    His proof: one man, Jimmy Carter.

    What a total moron !

    Cee has gone down the tubes along with Bush's popularity.
    Bush has been discredited time and time again, but no more than just recently.
    Cee has tunnel vision and refuses to look.

    We are now at a point where Americans are demonstrating in the streets against Bush.
    Cmon, now.Shouldn't that make you think, just a little and reevaluate your support for this man ?

    Yet the wingnuts, hold on to their discredited policies.

    These 2 years will be fun watching the further degradation and disintegration of Bush's and Cee's views.

    The Uniter-Decider has now become ta-da -- The Escalator!

    The theater of the absurd continues :
    Iraq Govt Appoints Former Saddam General To Carry Out Bush's New Iraq Plan.
    Can you imagine that boys and girls !

    plus :

    BAGHDAD, Jan. 11 Iraq's Shiite-led government offered only a grudging endorsement on Thursday of President Bush's proposal to deploy more than 20,000 additional troops in an effort to curb sectarian violence and regain control of Baghdad. The tepid response immediately raised questions about whether the government would make a good-faith effort to prosecute the new war plan.

    Looks awful good doesn't it, RW'ers !

    "Iraq Govt Appoints Former Saddam General To Carry Out Bush's New Iraq Plan."


    You're kidding me, right ?

    Read and weep :

    Within hours of Mr. Bush’s speech, American commanders were meeting with their Iraqi counterparts in Baghdad to work out the details of a new command arrangement that would give Mr. Maliki a direct role in overseeing the new crackdown. The Iraqis named a commander for the operation,((((( Lt. Gen. Aboud Gambar, a Shiite from southern Iraq who was a top general in Saddam Hussein’s army))))) until the American-led invasion in 2003.

    General Gambar will report directly to Mr. Maliki, outside the chain of command that runs through the Defense Ministry, which the Maliki government has long viewed as a bastion of American influence, and, because the defense minister is a Sunni, of resistance to Shiite control. General Gambar will have two deputies, one for the heavily Shiite east part of Baghdad, another for the mostly Sunni west part, and they will oversee nine new military districts, each assigned an Iraqi brigade.

    "87% of Jews vote democratic"

    Honestly, stop lying....it should say "87% of Jews who responded to exit polls voted democratic."

    Stop the manipulation....Also, I can assure you that the criticism Senators Schumer and Clinton got when they sided with Israel in the conflict with Hezbollah was quietly winked at and forgiven by you fringe letists.

    And the left better be praying to however they believe in that Iran does not get nuclear weapons....What will you do if Israel decides to strike Iran?....I am sure Schumer and Clinton won't be getting a wink/smile over that one from you anti-semites!

    And this one is rich....

    "We are now at a point where Americans are demonstrating in the streets against Bush.
    Cmon, now.Shouldn't that make you think, just a little and reevaluate your support for this man ?"

    Yep, mobs tell me what to think....I watch mobs in countries like Iran, Syria and Lebanon chant things in the streets too and they are no more right about the issue than you guys are. No, I will stick to facts, honor, loyalty and principle.

    And I watch with horror archives of protests from the late 60's and early 70's that lead American policy which resulted in the deaths of millions in Asia.....

    But hey, Asians/Arabs/Semites/Persians...they don't seem to matter to the secular liberal (and mostly white BTW) left.

    Mike, I went back and looked. Traitor claimed two posts in his name were frauds. And one of those two that you responded to negatively he did not disown, ie GWB=UBL.

    I couldn't say who is who. I've always suspected that some use multiple names.

    This could go either way. None of us are in a position to know with certainty who is who. His name of CHOICE is in its self over the top. And the sentiment is implied, if not stated by many on your side.

    Whoever said it it is reprehensible and disgusting.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Grammie, I debated this guy the other night even tho before doing so, I said he would just call me a liar and coward and everyone else was smarter to ignore him. I proved him a liar even tho after, I felt dirty and apologize if I sounded as angry as him. Anyway one of the things I said to him was why post as an anon? How brave is that? He replied what's the difference does anyone use their right name? But you got it right with multiple names. He was debating, if you call it that with Red Wolf, and it seemed as if Wolf was arguing with numerous posters. It seemed to me that all sounded the same only using different names. I believe this guy posts under many names to gang up on someone. Because in his mind that means he's winning the argument.And thats why posting as an anon is bull. Because if you say something dumb or outrageuos you can come back with another name. I also agree with Red Wolf asking who wakes a guy for a blog, but he missed the best part. RWAT " I called an old Army buddy, he wasnt too glad to be awakened but when he knew it was me, he cheered up." Yeah, I am so cool when I call it is a gift to you.And one more thing I would'nt put it past this guy to make outrageous posts in his own name and claim others did it. This way again if he really does say something stupid he can claim someone else posted it.

    So Bush's NEW WAY FORWARD plan is being led by one of Saddam's Hussein's OLD generals ?

    Truth is stranger than fiction, and with this Bush White House nothing should surprise me any more.

    "What will you do if Israel decides to strike Iran?....I am sure Schumer and Clinton won't be getting a wink/smile over that one from you anti-semites!"

    Tread VERY LIGHTLY, cee. I will tolerate many things, but I will NOT tolerate being called an Anti-Semite!

    Israel has the right to exist. Israel has the right to self-determination. They DO NOT have the right to do whaever the hell they want and then expect us to excuse them.

    And I watch with horror archives of protests from the late 60's and early 70's that lead American policy which resulted in the deaths of millions in Asia.....

    Cee gets EVERYTHING BACKWARDS.

    The protests of the 60's and 70's were held BECAUSE OF the thousands of US soldiers that needlessly lost their lives....not to mention the innocent Vietnamese that lost their lives or were permanently damaged from the Agent Orange sprayed on their crops by the US.

    And I'm proud to have been one who marched on Washington.

    The war in Vietnam would have probably STILL been going on if it weren't for the people of this country who marched in the streets and on college campuses.
    Cee would have loved a 40 yr war in Vietnam.

    Cee: warmonger

    AMerica: seeing the light and putting down morons like Cee.

    87% of Jews vote democratic"

    Honestly, stop lying....it should say "87% of Jews who responded to exit polls voted democratic."

    Cee is trying to WISH IT away.


    LOL

    By Yitzhak Benhorin November 8, 2006

    Democratic Party wins largest percentage of Jewish support since 1994. Elections expert: Jews voted for candidates good for Israel, but also focused on other issues

    American Jews expressed flagrant support for Democratic candidates for Congress, contributing to a turnaround in the House of Representatives. According to a CNN sampling of voters, 87 percent of Jewish voters voted Democrat.

    Cee :But hey, Asians/Arabs/Semites/Persians...they don't seem to matter to the secular liberal (and mostly white BTW) left.

    So now Cee is saying that African Americans vote mostly GOP?

    Do I need to prove you wrong AGAIN, on that boner, or are you just willing to admit the faux pas you just made ?

    Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie is upset over who uses what name, as if this is her own private social club, and wants them thrown out.

    LOL

    Your discredited POV's stand alone , Grammie, w/o worrying about who proves you wrong.

    My name is directly correlated to this "social club" who worries about who posts under which anem.

    they don't seem to matter to the secular liberal (and mostly white BTW) left.

    So cee thinks the left is mostly white.
    SO, Japanese Americans, African Americans etc must make up the right.

    I see.

    Makes as much sense as his stance on the Iraq war.

    I would suggest to you to look at how most African Americans come down on issues and you will discover they are not radical liberals.....especially with regards to the radical left's pet issue of Gay Marriage.

    Please try to keep up with me....the protesters in the streets and the most vocal anti-war critics are RADICAL LIBERALS...the normal person....85% of the US population does not support the real agenda of the radical left...but we have been through all this before, haven't we?

    Oh, and on that 87% number you keep repeating (lie)....it was based on exit polls of 200 people!....nice....

    "Jews remain very loyal to the Democratic Party. No one is disputing that. But the numbers this year, as in 2004, are more on the order of 3 to 1 support for Democrats over Republicans, not the 7 or 8 to 1 ratio suggested by the exit poll survey. In a very difficult year for Republican candidates, Jewish voters may have even slightly increased their support for Republican candidates as compared to 2004. Anyone who relies on the exit poll survey to draw conclusions on Jewish voting patterns this year, simply does not understand the problems with relying on this small data set (which might very well be an unrepresentative, non—random sample) or likes the results too much to care about their reliability."

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/11/the_exit_polls_and_the_jewish.html

    Do your own research and stop relying on Democratic Party talking points, people. I don't rely on the repubs....free your minds!

    Interesting how there is no repsonse to my more interesting indictments of the modern day Democratic party....a party that could not win a war if it was against an army lead by Keith Olbermann.

    No one never answerred my question about JFK's opinion about Diem and helping the Vietnamese people....too close to home.

    And to the poster who is so proud of what this country accomplished by protesting the war in the 60's and 70's....check out this website....

    http://www.fallofsaigon.org/roster.htm

    or this honor filled letter....

    http://www.serve.com/Lincolnheritage2/articles/address/2004toNow/nationalsecurity/LHI-Is_Iraq_Vietnam_Ask_the_troops.htm

    History may be repeating itself....millions of South Vietnamese dead.....and if the same leftists get their way....millions of Iraqis dead.

    "Janet Hawkins AKA Grammie is upset over who uses what name, as if this is her own private social club, and wants them thrown out.

    LOL

    Your discredited POV's stand alone , Grammie, w/o worrying about who proves you wrong.

    My name is directly correlated to this "social club" who worries about who posts under which anem.

    Posted by: why do u care what my name is at January 12, 2007 4:50 PM"

    Upset? You can be as foolish and obnoxious as you wish as often and under as many names, or no name, as makes you happy.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    The people who made this site are in love with Keith, get a life!