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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 12, 2007
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JANUARY 12, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PRESIDENT BUSH'S PLAN UNDER SCRUTINY: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek and MSNBC political analyst
    • CONGRESS VS. PRESIDENT BUSH: John Dean, author of "Conservatives Without Conscience" and FindLaw.com columnist
    • SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (D/I-CONN.): Arianna Huffington, huffingtonpost.com

    It was Freaky Friday on The Hour of Spin. Herr Olbermann kicked things off with another dramatic reading of the carnival barker patter that opens each Countdown: It's a "constitutional crisis!" They're gonna mess with Iran! Is the Senate really in the hands of Joe Lieberthal? And the internet box singer. LIVE! EXCLUSIVE! ONLY ON A-MESS-NBC!

    MADMAN

    Oh no--Bush isn't just "escalating" Iraq, he's gonna march into Tehran too! "Most Democrats and some Republicans" worried about that. But the clips from Peter Pace were quite specific about not going into Iran. So what to make of Keith's hyperbolic bellowing? Mere propaganda.

    After some adulation of Joe Biden (D) and the usual clips of press hectoring of Tony Snow, it was time for KO to conduct another session in the ongoing Olbermann Rehabilitation of Left-Wing Criminals Program. Felon Dean was asked if there was any way to stop the "escalation" [2]. In the short term "Snow is right", but in the long run, there will be more votes. Monkeymann kept pressing him on ways to block the money. He isn't even pretending to be a journalist any more. Olby: is it a "constitutional crisis" if Iran is drawn in? (See Peter Pace, above; Fat Ass doesn't even listen to his own clips.) The infamous, deplorable one kept coming up with bizarre scenarios about how the eeevil Bush is going to demolish Tehran (why is Olbermann so obsessively defensive of Iran?!?), but even the disbarred lawyer seemed amused at Olbermoronn's desperation. The felon got in a mention of "the neocons", and that made things right. Great thanks.

    Next came Flynt Leverett. Olby ID'd him as a former member of the Bush NSC, period. In fact, Our Man Flynt is an anti-Bush activist who left government service to campaign for John Kerry, and is a favorite of such far-left sites as Democracy Now. Now why do you suppose Edward R Olbermann left all that out? Flynt railed that Bush is raising a "causus belli", it's a "disasterous course", "devastating", while he promoted his own agenda for grand negotiations with Iran's dictator. That's our Olby: still worried about his buddies in Tehran. Oh, and of course, great thanks.

    KO sought to tell us the real dangers in "Mister" Bush's "escalation" [3]. The "grim details" were relegated to some recycled NBC reportage. Oddball followed, then Rev Olbermann turned to another burning issue: "Just what are Sen Joe Lieberman's intentions?" Well, the obvious way to get the answer to that is to ask Sen Joe Lieberman. But things are never that simple on OlbyPlanet, where actually talking with the Senator might just result in non-approved opinions leaking out to viewers too delicate to have their sensibilities offended by anything but OlbySpin. So instead we got yet another visit from sock puppet Zsa Zsa.

    The intro (complete with six "Misters" and two "escalations" [4,5]) attacked Joe Lieberthal for daring to agree with the eeevil John McCain (Olbermoronn's jihad against that war hero has been ongoing for some time now. The Huffer cackled that because Lieberman sides with McCain on sending reinforcements, "it's like having a guy who's crazy and feeling much more comfortable when there is somebody else there" and said their opinions are "delusional". (Note how this parrots KO's accusation that Sen Richard McCain has become delusional. We don't call The Huffer a sock puppet for nothing.) Zsa Zsa's explanation: "this is like having terminal cancer and saying but, you know, I'm losing wait". Wow. They're mentally ill, delusional, and they're like dying from cancer. How did our noble hero, who has spoken out so eloquently against hate speech, react? "Great thanks".

    #2: a missing child found (more regurgitated video from the network mothership), James Brown, Britney Spears, K-Fed. #1: Exclusive, live interview with the internet Box singer. In the Media Matters Minute, Olby attacked an arms control bureaucrat (R; Blue Blog Source: Think Progress) and Bill Kristol (conservative; Blue Blog Source: Media Matters). But the gem here was his attack on foxnews.com (Blue Blog Source: TVNewser). Their crime: they have a story about an MSNBC commentator stating that "Cheney always wants to kill." (Olby was careful not to tell viewers it was Chris Matthews who said it.) So why exactly was it wrong for foxnews to post it? Does Rev Olbermann defend that comment? Remember it was none other than Krazy Keith who claimed that you must "take your own network to the same degree of task" or else you have no "manhood". And yet, he refuses to do so. Could this be...Olbypocrisy?

    OLBY

    Muted mongrels: Surprise: not one word about Barbara Bouncer's controversial comments to Condi Rice. Too bad it wasn't Laura Bush talking. Again the stock market closed at historic highs, thanks to better-than-expected December sales figures. But on OlbyPlanet, only bad economic news is reported. Islamic terrorists were in possession of embassy blueprints. Yawn. 150 Taliban militants killed? Ho-hum. And still not a word about the resignations from the Carter center.

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olberman's name, thanks to KO's latest Speshul Komment (a special condensed edition can be viewed here), has cratered at #10,106 at amazon.com; Mr Bill's "Culture Warrior" went up to #85. The OlbyTome is #2,755 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #760 there, as well as being one of 2006's top ten best sellers. All those emails, promotions, and hype-commercials for Olby's Speshul Komment had their effect on Thursday night's Hour of Spin. The Nielsen numbers reveal that the discredited sports guy ended up in an embarrassing, humiliating fourth place, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Hahahahaaa! Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 11 [DANGER!]


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    The lineup tonight is a Loonapalooza.

    Olby doesn't have a MySpace page? I thought that was how he found dates.

    Is Arianna even speaking English?

    No, dahlink.

    I think Olby wants to take Bunny the Ivy Leaguer on a date.

    Posted by: at January 12, 2007 8:39 PM

    This Character is a FRAUD, kinda like Johnny. He posts under other peoples names & says that he is them... He needs some real help...

    Go f--- yourself, dick head... This will be my final post in this room under this name... So much for my good time! So, if you really want to stay here & listen to more of his immature bullshit, you can go ahead...

    Screw You, guys... I'm going home!!

    Does Johnny Dollar really post under other nick-names ?!?!?

    PTBAL, hasta yo' mama!

    "Screw You, guys... I'm going home!!"

    Someone really needs to do a better job checking those ages on the IDs before they let people in here.

    Why is Keith Olbermann talking to thee exact same blog hostess that could not defeat Joe Liebermann about Joe Liebermann ?!?

    I wait for lightning to strike Olby at any given time for his extreme chutzpah and outright lies when talking about BOR's "obsession" with MSNBC. Spare us, Olbytard. When it comes to BOR "obsession," you wrote the book. More precisely, it's the book that bears your name.

    : Isn't Mr. O' Reilly now obsessed with NBC ?!?!?

    What a mess this show is. Singing Box in a Box live. A-Mess NBC.

    ": Isn't Mr. O' Reilly now obsessed with NBC ?!?!?"

    NBC, yeah an argument can be made for that. But MSNBC, I don't think so.

    But really, who has shown more of an obsession with each other? KO with Fox and O'Reilly; or O'Reilly with NBC?

    Oh boy : 2 points-

    1. The Bill O' Reilly/NBC feud is just beginning...

    2. Keith Olbermann does not really have a beef with FOX News ... primarily Bill O' Reilly.

    Keith had the money to buy Katie that new tricycle thanks to Bill.

    "Oh boy : 2 points-

    1. The Bill O' Reilly/NBC feud is just beginning...

    2. Keith Olbermann does not really have a beef with FOX News ... primarily Bill O' Reilly."

    -Bicker

    Oh no, he doesn't have a beef with Fox News. He only called Chris Wallace a "monkey" and Rupert Murdoch the "crypt keeper".

    No class, no shame. And O'Reilly is exactly right about bias. For those who haven't checked the list, it truly is a sight to see:

    May 22: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    May 30: Rep Barney Frank (D)
    June 9: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    June 15: Bob Schrum (D)
    June 16: Rep John Murtha (D)
    June 19: Al Gore (D)
    June 20: Sen Jack Reed (D)
    June 20: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    June 23: Al Gore (D)
    July 5: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    July 12: Barbara Boxer (D)
    July 13: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    July 26: Bill Richardson (D)
    August 8: Daily Kos (D)
    August 9: Joe Trippi (D)
    August 30: Howard Dean (D)
    August 31: Barbara Boxer (D)
    August 31: Rocky Anderson (D)
    September 5: Tom Kean Jr (R)
    September 6: Richard Ben-Veniste (D)
    September 7: Sean Maloney (D)
    September 8: Mack McLarty (D)
    September 11: Max Cleland (D)
    September 20: Jane Hamsher (D)
    September 22: Bill Jefferson Clinton (D)
    September 26: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    September 28: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    October 16: John Ashcroft (R)
    October 18: Joe Trippi (D)
    October 20: Barack Obama (D)
    October 26: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    October 31: Joe Trippi (D)
    November 6: Howard Dean (D)
    November 22: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
    November 30: Joe Trippi (D)
    December 6: Russ Feingold (D)
    January 3: Barney Frank (D)
    January 4: John Murtha (D)
    January 4: Jay Rockefeller (D)
    January 11: Russ Feingold (D)


    KO doesn't have to have a guest on EVERY show that dissents from his view but, geez, how about one every six months?

    Even the most fanatical fan of his show has to be a little tired of the same-old/same-old every day.

    Right?

    Even Limbaugh allows liberals to call in his show. Hannity too. And they don't advertise themselves as fair or non-partisan in any way.

    Olbermann is a genious. A giant of our times. A man who's name will outshine Aristotle!
    As fore Iraq, send more troops ther and watch Iran come in and kick their asses. Bush will cry the coward bitch he is. I'd laugh seeing Iranian troops taking him out of rat hole. I will welcom the Jihad with open arms!

    No, his fans don't get tired of the same-o same-o. We have living proof right here every time Bob, PTABL, all the anons take to their keyboard.

    I think they sit down and the keyboard goes in overdrive doing the same thing over and over.

    Not an imaginative lot.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Grammie,

    You are so wrong about them. They all have bumper stickers that say really cool things like "Speak Truth To Power" and "Question Authority".

    The Mathews' remark. Does anyone know where, when and in what context.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Janet Hawkins, what do you do all day? Do you patrol this board all day?


    AFTER RECEIVING ONE MIDEAST SPANKING, BOY GEORGE GINS UP THE NEXT

    -- Bungling BushCO To Iran: `Thank You Sir, May I Have Another` --

    WASHINGTON -- Unswayed by anti-war passions, President Bush will send 21,500 additional U.S. troops to Iraq and build the American presence there toward its highest level to quell worsening bloodshed. The move puts Bush on a collision course with the new Democratic Congress and runs counter to advice from some senior generals as well as many prominent Republicans. Announcing his intentions in a prime-time speech Wednesday night, Bush acknowledged making mistakes in Iraq, primarily failing to deploy enough U.S. soldiers and demanding more Iraqi troops and cooperation to confront the country`s near-anarchy.


    If republicans do not like or watch Keith Olbermann ... what is the point of having a biased gaggle of commentators ?!?!?

    Rico, I love Huffo braging she is speaking 'truth to power'.

    Where was she 'speaking truth to power' in 1956 Hungary to the russian tanks rumbling through the streets.

    That would have been courage. Running your mouth here in our country just doesn't seem to reach that level.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "The Mathews' remark. Does anyone know where, when and in what context."

    Yeah, it was on the Imus show (Thursday morning).

    Here're the quotes: http://newsbusters.org/node/10098

    He made them twice (i.e., about "Cheney wanting to kill people").

    rico....suaveeeeeee

    Pretty much so on lots of days. I am a retired disabled widow and have to intersperse sitting, laying and standing or I can't function.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Oh boy: How are the newsbusters group doing these days ?!?!?

    Grammie,

    I forgot the best one of all: Think Globally, Act Locally. That one is the coolest of the cool.

    As far as Arianna(or Zsa Zsa, as I prefer to call her) is concerned, she is Greek, not Hungarian. I'm not sure if you were implying that with the 1956 reference. But because her funny accent and demeanor remind me of a real Hungarian(Zsa Zsa Gabor) I like to call her "Zsa Zsa", anyways. Any dingbat with an accent is going to be "Zsa Zsa" to me.

    yeah because in terms of slogans "stay the course" worked out so well for you all

    Actually I always thought she was Hungarian. Don't know why.

    I'll have to see what was going in Greece that she could have spoken 'truth to power' about.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Stay the course is a better phrase than 'Hey! let's eat our young!"

    who in the world has ever said that?

    abortion doctors .

    i don't know what you think abortion is, but i can assure that it doesn't involve eating

    Bicker,

    You must be debating with a liberal aborted fetus. "It" doesn't even have a name.

    The Mathews quote takes one aback, even this one all I've read here.

    I know Mitchell called him right wing and some of the dark side ones on threads here too.

    Makes you wonder if they understand that to have a right you have to have a left. Middle moderates are optional.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    In a way ... I wish that they have ... It would be better to eat the pre-birth rather than to just empty the vacuum. It truly is bad enough that the baby will never again be true to see the world ... but does the beyond young have to contribute absolutely nothing to existance ?!?!?

    whatever happened to compassionate conservatism?

    wow you're absolutely sickening

    I admit it. I'm a divider.

    I am just totally mad ... when it comes to abortion parents and such ...

    keith is amazing

    We can thank some people who have already been born that we have blasphocyst peddling, doctors forcing impressions on pregnant considering parents, and the multi biollion dollar abortion clinic enterprise.

    yeah you know, i'm planning on getting pregnant just so i can have an abortion....like i can't wait to have one!

    umm...no actually that's not how we think

    This is how the fetus thinks: "I can not wait until I meet my brand new mother." (reincarnation point not intended)

    you know what? i really don't care what you think. let them outlaw abortion. women will still have it done. they had it done before it was legal and they'll have it done if it's ever made illegal. should women who have in vetro fertilization be forced to carry the many embryos that are used in the hopes that one is viable?

    How do pro-abortion people live with themselves? Do they realize that they are sending children to a very early grave ?!?!?

    do you realize you're doing that in supporting the war?

    The war that you people are "succeeding" in ending ? What more is there to complain about on the war. You always have put a bad spin on anythin explosive that has happened there, you never put the war in context --- it always was rush - rush ... WE'RE LOSING, and you have no patience for war.

    i have no patience for THIS war because WE HAD NO BUSINESS BEING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    We had no business in Germany or Japan or Vietnam or about any other nation. We could have let locals deal with those from those nations ... but we interviened anyway...

    there was already a war going on there, and lest we forget, japan attacked us. it was one thing to go into afghanistan, that even made sense. iraq, no.

    True, some women will whether its legal or not.

    Before the universal availability of birth control and abortions social indicators were much better. We seem to be in the realm of unintended consequences.

    Illegitimate birth rates have skyrocketed, STDs are way up and becoming resistant to treatment, poverty and crime is way up because the single biggest factor for both is an unmarried woman who has not completed high school.

    We went from an occassional girl or woman dying from an illegal abortion and some unmarried pregnant girls being cast out into the snow by their families to a lot of misery spread over a much percentage of the population.

    Now all you guys be good liberals. I am a woman, a mother, a grandmother and according to B Boxer and feminists I have a bigger right to my opinion about this.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    If we went there I am sure we had some business being there ...

    i am a woman too, janet. one of childbearing age. i have a right to my own opinion, you don't get a bigger one than me.

    olbermann watch, it's that kind of thinking that got us hopelessly lost there in the first place. please stop defending it.

    In my mind ... we are there with cause ... how is this untrue, wrong, misguided ... the what-not (and please don't give me spiel about our failing ... )

    I agree about everyone has equal right to their opinion and making the best judgment they can.

    It also holds for things like the Secretary of State. Just adding a little something extra to the debate.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    an opinion is an opinion, but what is it based on other than loyalty to bush? now i'm really asking you, what do you see us doing there? are we bringing democracy? we're losing our own. how can we bring it to other people when bush is invading our privacy on so many fronts? when he is authorizing torture? is this what we want to spread so badly? it was never about nation building (which initially he said he was opposed to, talk about the ultimate flip flop). it was about finishing a job his father rightly chose not to.

    Thanks Janet Hawkins ... it is nice to have somebody speaking that does not talk in circulocutions and back - talk .

    " " is the perfect name for you, .

    or you can insult me when i was asking you a genuine question.

    wasn't "casus belli" a term that Elaine on Seinfeld was stuck in her head in one episode -and she kept saying it over and over again? Has Mr. Flynt been watching too many reruns of Seinfeld u think?

    And once again the focus has been taken off Olbermann and onto Bush. The name of the f---ing website is NOT Bushwatch people. It's Olbermannwatch. FOCUS dammit!

    yes, it was cassus belli.

    BOSCO!

    Japan attacked us and if we had not declared war we could have negotiated with them. All they wanted was imports of what they needed and control of the Pacific. Like today, all we had to do was meet their non negotiable demands.

    Germany and Italy declared war on us. They had treaty obligations with the Japanese and we were a quasi (I kiss FDR's feet) ally to Britain. We could have sued for peace with them. I think some kind of deal could have been worked out. After all, the 1940s didn't have the technology to allow attacks on us directly. And according to many today only the two WTC attacks were directly against us.

    Today is only a difference of semantics. We could buy peace for a while by meeting all their demands.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Yes, but the attacks were by Al-qaeda, not Iraq.

    Q. 1: No.

    Q. 2: Yes.

    Q. 3: No.

    Q. 4: Deflecting.

    Q. 5: Sometimes.

    Q. 6: Yes.

    Q. 7: Sometimes.

    q. 8: Deflecting.

    You see, I answered your question before I even read it.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Janet Hawkins: We had no right to fight somebody else's war in Germany. This was another of our fight other's wars. Japan was intercepted b4 Pearl Harbor but nobod retaliated.

    Bicker, you said it in so few words. Grampie always did say I never used one word if I could find a way to use ten.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Between and R. A. Wilson's death ... I am so depressed right now ...

    Posted by: at January 12, 2007. Do you plan on changing your name when the date changes.

    I only ask because it is sometimes easier if one can tell the players without a score card.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "Between and R. A. Wilson's death ... I am so depressed right now ...

    Posted by: Olbermann Watch [Us Bicker] in Technicolor at January 12, 2007 10:34 PM"

    What did I miss. I don't understand what you meant.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    In deciding screen names for my self, I thought of " " ... many did ... what anunoriginal nick name ...

    Janet: " " is no name ... and R. A. Wilson was for 2 of my favorite causes: guns and hemp !!!

    I would love to see kooky keith's mother's box. I bet it's all shriveled up just like his ratings.

    Kooky keith is obsessed with O-Reilly. His is really dying to suck his dick. That's ok isn't it you liberals?

    Ain't nobody got nuthin to do but say stupid stuff tonight?

    I now see the problem: There are Klingons in the White House!

    I am proud that I was a drug dealer member of the Latin Kings gang. I sold drugs to children I molested children and I have killed children.

    but I am still a good republican

    I was a member of the green berets I was in the navy seals and now I am with the cia

    oh and i was with the recon rangers but they were a bunch of pussies so I left them to join delta force

    I am a real hero

    aint all of you republicans so proud to have me as one of you

    Did Odormoronn and Dan Abrams from A Mess NBC beg CNBC to move the Deal or No Deal rerun out of Meltdown's time slot so that Odormoronn wouldn't finish FIFTH out of FIVE shows every night?

    "Today is only a difference of semantics. We could buy peace for a while by meeting all their demands.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 12, 2007 10:23 PM"

    You have no clue who we are fighting in the middle east and you have no idea what their demands are.

    You come here and pretend to be knowledgeable and you paint that pretending with the moniker "grannie" implying you are wise with years. Total facade'! Total fake bullshit.

    Why don't you stop acting and start demonstrating. I challenge you to post what these so called demands are. Tell us who we are fighting.

    I guarantee you won't even try it. All you are doing is repeating the same old garbage from Hannity and Limbaugh. That is it, that is the extent of your understanding of anything about FDR or world history, especially the history of war and what causes them. All you present is ideology, never the nuts and bolts.

    Tell us who we are fighting and what their demands are. I dare you.

    Who are they?

    What are their demands?

    You know what happens to your bullshit and you know trying it won't wash when I am lurking. You will come up with an excuse to duck the questions you create by claiming you know who we are fighting and what their demands are.

    I am waiting.

    True, some women will whether its legal or not.

    Before the universal availability of birth control and abortions social indicators were much better. We seem to be in the realm of unintended consequences.

    Illegitimate birth rates have skyrocketed, STDs are way up and becoming resistant to treatment, poverty and crime is way up because the single biggest factor for both is an unmarried woman who has not completed high school.

    We went from an occassional girl or woman dying from an illegal abortion and some unmarried pregnant girls being cast out into the snow by their families to a lot of misery spread over a much percentage of the population.
    ==================================================
    Just wanted to point out, before abortions... well a lot of children were just plain killed in ancient society's shortly after birth. In Roman times (that paragon of 'civilization') babies would just be left on waste piles/rubbish heaps to die if they were born with any defect, such as, being female (not my opinion, that is how some of them looked at it back then).

    Good to see after all these years... we've pretty much ended up right back where we've started. At least know the kids die in sterile rooms and quick deaths right?

    The above posts weren't from me. But from Limpdick Lefty loser.
    Hey loser so you want to take this out of the blogosphere?

    Leftwingwing Limp Dick is posting now. His shift at 7-11 ended.

    We shouldn't be in the middleast. Al-Qaeda, Hizballah and Iran are freedom movements. They are fighting the evil capitalist crusaders! Islam will win and the Whitehouse will have minarets! I can't wait!

    Buffalo,
    I couldn't agree with you more! Islam is a peacful religion and Jihadism is a form of revolutionary warfare the great Muhamd taugh us.
    Every American death brings joy to me! Praise be to Allah!
    I have to contact my cell members that have just arrived from Afghanistan. We have some bombings to do and 9 year old girls to milest. Just like the Prophet Mohamed!

    So let me get this straight: Chris Matthews says that the Vice President loves killing people. Fox News runs the story. Then Keith makes Fox News "Worst Person in the World" for running the story. And the icing on the cake is that Keith won't even tell his audience that it was Chris Matthews who had said it. The double icing is that this is the second time this has happened. Keith himself had said that President Bush is fighting this war just to make money. Then Fox News runs the story. Then Keith makes Fox News "Worst Person in the World" for running the story.

    "We have some bombings to do and 9 year old girls to milest. Just like the Prophet Mohamed!"

    I'm not here to correct anyone's spelling, but c'mon Dead Wolf, I recognize your spelling no matter what name you use.

    The Democrats do not care that our soldiers are being killed and injured by Iranian operatives working in Iraq...

    From NYT - "Rice Says Bush Authorized Iranians’ Arrest in Iraq"

    1/13/07

    "Ms. Rice’s comments came just a day after the new chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, issued a sharp warning to the administration about the recent raids against Iranians in Iraq, including one in Erbil early Thursday.

    "He said the vote to authorize the president to order the use of force to topple Saddam Hussein was not a vehicle for mounting attacks in Iran, even to pursue cells or networks assisting insurgents or sectarian militias. “I just want the record to show — and I would like to have a legal response from the State Department if they think they have authority to pursue networks or anything else across the border into Iran and Iraq — that will generate a constitutional confrontation here in the Senate, I predict to you,” Mr. Biden said."

    "In the view of American officials, Iran is engaged in a policy of “managed chaos” in Iraq. Its presumed goal, both policymakers and intelligence officials say, is to raise the cost to the United States for its intervention in Iraq, in hopes of teaching Washington a painful lesson about the perils of engaging in regime change."


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    The Congress should use its Constitutional authority to reign in The President as they see fit....

    If they believe stopping Iranians in Iraq from killing US soldiers is not a good thing to do...then have a BINDING resolution with regards to the policy. Let's have at it!

    INHO, the left is so sure that Bush is the enemy that they have decided to ignore those who are actually killing and wounding the troops on the side of FREEDOM.

    My second, much more important point....

    NYT 1/11/07...."Tears Are Shed at the White House for a Marine’s Bravery in Iraq"

    Who here posting on this site can tell me the story about Corporal Jason Dunham?

    Go to this site to find out more:

    http://pub19.bravenet.com/guestbook/1622559172/

    If you get your information from Keith Olbermann....you would have only gotten negative, poor form critique of the ceremony...This was the only mention of it on Thursday night....not even a spot on the silly countdown for this brave man!....

    "OLBERMANN: Back here, Jack, today, the day after the president‘s speech, he spoke at the presentation of the Medal of Honor to the family of Marine Corporal Jason Dunham, who literally through himself on a grenade to save the lives of his fellow soldiers. The president seemed personally moved, but you received the Medal of Honor for saving the lives of your comrades in Vietnam, and you told our staff you had a problem with what happened at today‘s ceremony. Can you voice that?

    "JACOBS: Yes, I will try to be brief. I got the award in the same ceremony with three other soldiers. They opened up the gates to the White House grounds. Anybody who wanted to could come in—show you how times have changed—anybody who wanted to could come in and watch the ceremony. There were 10,000 or 20,000 people. It was quite a spectacle. But we were alive.

    "Today we were supposed to be celebrating not just the service of this young Marine, but his sacrifice as well. I was a little chagrined to see that it turned into something of a hoopla, big announcements, naming each of the Congressman and senators who were there. It should have been a much more solemn occasion and much more closed. I did not like it very much.

    "OLBERMANN: Colonel Jack Jacobs, with whom, in our opinion, the authority rests on such matters, great thanks for your time tonight."

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    Wow....stuck on the end of an interview, the two mention the sacrifice oh so briefly, but then turn the remainder/majority of the comments as a Bush attack!

    I guess Olbermann had to think about the time remaining he needed to spew his Special Comment.

    Keith Olbermann is a pathetic pseudo-journalist and a rotten human being for not covering this important event objectively and without a political agenda.

    What do you think, Olbermann apologists?

    Olbyapologists don't think. If they did, they wouldn't expend the time and effort to constantly apologize for the pathetic excuse for a "journalist" that is Keith Olbermann.

    Poor Brandon...

    He logs onto a site that spends much of its effort to tell you what Olbermann DIDN'T talk about as an indictment of the man and he thinks that the other side doesn't think.

    Logic must be a foreign language to him...

    cee is such a dipshit.

    He sees things one way no matter what the facts.

    His posts are totally irrelevant.

    "The action I have taken tonight is indispensable for the continuing success of [the] withdrawal program," Richard Nixon said in 1970.

    He said this when he announced his decision to invade Cambodia and increase American involvement in a failed war.

    It was five years before that "withdrawal program" was complete.

    How many years will the Iraq failure take?

    The president looked awful and sounded worse last night. Other than admitting he had been wrong not to send more troops in the first instance — his version of his mistake in this mess — the president had nothing new to say and nothing new to offer.

    So what if the country is against him.

    So what if the Congress is against him.

    So what if Iraqi leaders, whom he claims he is relying upon, don't want the additional troops.

    George Bush is going to send them anyway.

    How do you stop a president who has lost touch with reality?

    The president's plan is likely to lead to more of precisely what it is we are supposed to be trying to avoid: American involvement in street fighting, sending our kids to die in an urban jungle, putting them in harm's way in someone else's civil war. "Young men and women of U.S. forces and coalition forces should not be caught in the crossfire of a civil war prompted by who should have succeeded Mohammad in — what is it? — 650 AD?" said Sen. John Warner, a Republican from Virginia.

    The president said merely that we should expect more casualties. But why should we accept them?

    The president's plan places all of its reliance on the government in Iraq that could not get it together to execute Saddam Hussein without turning him into a martyr in the Arab world, and that would supposedly (according to Bush himself) collapse right now without our support.

    Too weak to stand, but strong enough to send Americans to die for? Come
    again? Turning Saddam the war criminal into a sympathetic figure is an accomplishment of Herculean incompetence. And this is what George Bush is putting his trust in? Why?

    The president's plan assumes there can be a military solution to what is essentially a political problem. You don't have to be a Democrat to see how ridiculous a notion that is. Having just met with the Iraqi leaders we are supposed to be depending upon, Sen. Sam Brownback issued a statement saying: "I came away from these meetings convinced that the United States should not increase its involvement until Sunnis and Shiites are more willing to cooperate with each other instead of shooting at each other."

    He's a Republican who voted with the president more than 90 percent of the time in the last Congress.

    Consider Republican Gordon Smith's frank assessment: "This is the president's 'Hail Mary pass,'" he said after the speech. "We are extending an ineffective tactic to further the status quo."

    What about Vietnam veteran and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, who called the president's proposal "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam"? "This is sectarian violence out of control, Iraqi on Iraqi," Sen. Hagel told Secretary of State Rice in a post-speech hearing. "We will not win a war of attrition in the Middle East."

    The harder question is how to win the war at home against George Bush.

    Democrats have danced around a number of possible ideas for putting the president's failed policies to a vote. There is talk of nonbinding resolutions, even of putting the speech itself up for a vote. Other ideas, with slightly sharper teeth, include putting conditions on continued funding or caps on overall war expenditures.

    None of them will stop Bush, which is all the more reason to consider them all.

    This is no time for timidity. Subtlety won't work with George Bush.

    A president who isn't listening must be made to hear. Democrats have to stop worrying that people may think they aren't supporting the troops, which was the Democrats' Vietnam problem. You don't support the troops by sending more of them to die in a war over who should have succeeded Muhammad. The country must be mobilized, as well as the Congress.

    The top Republican in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, has threatened a filibuster of even a nonbinding resolution disapproving the president's action.

    Let the fight begin.

    It won't be easy, and it won't be short. But with this president and this war, there is no alternative to a long battle at home, as well as abroad.

    "INHO, the left is so sure that Bush is the enemy that they have decided to ignore those who are actually killing and wounding the troops on the side of FREEDOM."

    That's a very serious charge to be throwing around, cee. IF Iran is doing all these things that you claim, then the President should come to Congress and PROVE it. After all, they are the body with the power to declare war.

    "What do you think, Olbermann apologists?"

    When one is handing out the highest military award for bravery in combat (the Medal of Honor), one should not act like it is some sort of political rally. It is a fairly somber event, especially if the award is posthumous.

    And this is only the second MOH to be handed out for service in Iraq. It's not like there's a prepared script for this. And if every news outlet talked about every serviceman who died bravely in Iraq, there wouldn't be enough time to do much of anything else.

    Cee is frothing at the mouth to see the democrats cut off funds for this war.
    Why?
    He could then deleriously post for months( years) how the Democrats lost the Iraqi War.
    He knows this war is lost.(How could anyone think otherwise?)
    Cutting off the funds will give him all the ammunition he needs to absolve Bush from all war crimes and pin them on the Dems.
    Like we can't see thru your bullshit, Cee.

    Cee thinks the longer his posts, the more authoritative they may seem.
    Think again.

    The president's plan is likely to lead to more of precisely what it is we are supposed to be trying to avoid: American involvement in street fighting, sending our kids to die in an urban jungle, putting them in harm's way in someone else's civil war. "Young men and women of U.S. forces and coalition forces should not be caught in the crossfire of a civil war prompted by who should have succeeded Mohammad in — what is it? — 650 AD?" said Sen. John Warner, a Republican from Virginia.

    The president said merely that we should expect more casualties. But why should we accept them?

    Indeed !

    When will Bush come before the American people and detail this Iranian, Syrian threat?

    Or will he rely on his henchmen to push his agenda, and not come clean with data ?

    The world is aware of the body of evidence against Iran and Syria, just the way the world knew the crimes against humanity that Saddam committed.

    Yet, if Bush goes into Iran, the world will forget what Iran has done leading up to this moment and it will all be time to Blame Bush again.

    "The world is aware of the body of evidence against Iran and Syria, just the way the world knew the crimes against humanity that Saddam committed."

    Then Bush should have no problem making his case. This is still an OPEN government and transparency requires that he do so.

    Little feechie is the ultimate Bush apologist.

    "This is still an OPEN government "

    This administration has tried their damnest to NOT have an open government.
    Why should they, when you have morons like at this site always ready to makes excuses for anything they do.

    EE,

    If Iran and Syria are doing what Bush says they are, what would you have your country do about it?

    I feel that life under Theocratic Islamic Rule would be better for America than living under this BUSH/HITLER regime.

    Louie, I agree. The Iranian Clerics would NEVER eavesdrop on phone calls and do away with civil rights. Right On!!

    At least Dodd had the compassion to sit down and talk with the leader of Syria, you know, "whats-his-name". Now that takes balls.

    Habius Corpus!! Do I have to join the Taliban to feel safe in the BUSH/Hitler world ?

    Buffalo, I am a bit concerned for you. I know your primary mission in life is to assess the level of buffalo droppings in the homes and yards of your recalcitrat neighbors and friends..

    You need to be more careful. With such exposure Rush and Hannity BOTH said accidental ingestion or absorption through the skin could have diastrous effects, a serious condition called rectitis. Rectitis causes the nerves of the eyes and the rectum to cross and produce a shitty outlook on life.

    You are too kind. I have never claimed to be an expert on WWII and/or FDR. In your capacity as a scholar of WWII and FDR, why don't you lay out in two very short paragraphs why our entry into WWII was completely and totally unavoidable. I was not addressing should we have acted as we did, only my opinion that other options existed.

    As for the questions/comments you mentioned would you please lay them out a bit cleaner and without the personal dispersions littered throughout. I am very health conscious and don't want to wallow in those buffalo dropping that seem to follow you around like a second skin.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    EE, is it your opinion that the CIC should lay out chapter and verse re Syrias and Iran's activities in enough detail for the whole country to facts, places and specific operations at hand to debate.

    Is it your position that short of that you disapprove of engaging them in any way. Iran and Syria have options in this too. They can pull back or provoke a confrontation or go for an all out invasion.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Don't worry about my motives....I am a simple person living his life....

    I would be more concerned about the motives of the ruling class in our great country.

    The liberals only see compassion and caring in the words and (lack of) action in those in the ruling class that share their ideology.

    Bush, like Olbermann repeated again Thursday night, only has selfish, egotistical and immoral motives in his words and actions.

    Don't you think that is a simplistic view of the situation?

    Furthermore, some even imply George Bush is crazy, deluded, or worse, harbors an anti-social personality disorder.

    I have no problem with liberals attempting to pursue the implementation of their world view. My problem is the lying that occurs on this and many sites with regard to motives and goals.

    The liberal ruling class has not taken concrete action against The President's policy. This is a fact. I will not allow radical leftists claim that the results of American Foreign Policy occur in a vacuum untouched by anyone other than The President.

    The history of Vietnam and its aftermath has been sugar-coated to make those mostly responsible for its devastating results maintain an ideological world-view that is flawed at its foundation. Again, this is ok with me, because I do not hold the flawed world-view. However, to claim that the abandonment of millions of South Vietnamese was good shows the lengths of delusion the left has gone to rationalize their flawed ideology.

    No one, twice now, has refutted my point with regards to JFK's strong stand with Diem in 1954. Instead, the liberals FAST FORWARD to Richard Nixon. Fine, lets discuss the parallels between Nixon and Bush....there are some that have yet to be touched upon.

    However, the true historian, who is not politically biased, would see many more parallels between LBJ 1965 and Bush 2007.

    And for those who choose to critique my posts for their length, vocabulary or whatever...I don't care about your opinion about me. I have not posted since 5:30PM last night and had a lot to say that angered me about The Democrats' behavior regarding the OBVIOUS influence of Iran in the deaths of our service people.

    Oh, and the more things change...the more they stay the same....


    "The [Minimum Wage] bill also extends for the first time the federal minimum wage to the U.S. territory of the Northern Mariana Islands. However, it exempts American Samoa, another Pacific island territory that would become the only U.S. territory not subject to federal minimum-wage laws.

    "One of the biggest opponents of the federal minimum wage in Samoa is StarKist Tuna, which owns one of the two packing plants that together employ more than 5,000 Samoans, or nearly 75 percent of the island's work force. StarKist's parent company, Del Monte Corp., has headquarters in San Francisco, which is represented by Mrs. Pelosi. The other plant belongs to California-based Chicken of the Sea.

    "'There's something fishy going on here,' said Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina Republican.

    "During the House debate yesterday on stem-cell research, Mr. McHenry raised a parliamentary inquiry as to whether an amendment could be offered that would exempt American Samoa from stem-cell research, 'just as it was for the minimum-wage bill.'

    "A clearly perturbed Rep. Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who was presiding, cut off Mr. McHenry and shouted, 'No, it would not be.'

    "'So, the chair is saying I may not offer an amendment exempting American Samoa?' Mr. McHenry pressed.

    "'The gentleman is making a speech and will sustain,' Mr. Frank shouted as he slammed his large wooden gavel against the rostrum.

    "Some Republicans who voted in favor of the minimum-wage bill were particularly irritated to learn yesterday -- after their vote -- that the legislation did not include American Samoa.

    "'I was troubled to learn of this exemption,' said Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, Illinois Republican. 'My intention was to raise the minimum wage for everyone. We shouldn't permit any special favors or exemptions that are not widely discussed in Congress. This is the problem with rushing legislation through without full debate.'

    "A spokeswoman for Mrs. Pelosi said Wednesday that the speaker has not been lobbied in any way by StarKist or Del Monte."


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    in a word: hypocrisy.....a bunch of chumps are those who bought The D's lie they would behave any differently than The R's.

    "in a word: hypocrisy.....a bunch of chumps are those who bought The D's lie they would behave any differently than The R's."

    cee, do I have to explain this AGAIN? American Samoa's current wage rate is $3.60 an hour. If we REQUIRED them to move to $7.25 an hour, it would BANKRUPT their economy. 93% of their exports are tuna. Tuna canneries and tuna fishing is their PRIMARY industry (as you point out in your quote) - one that CANNOT survive with that sharp a wage increase (considering neighboring nations pay as little as 66 cents an hour).

    American Samoa has NEVER been subject to U.S. Minimum Wage Laws. Their wages are set by a Federal Commission that meets every two years.

    Go find some other dead equine to flog, cee.

    "Is it your position that short of that you disapprove of engaging them in any way."

    No, Grammie. My position is that the AUMF does not permit him to engage Iran and Syria. Now, if he wants to make the case that Iran and Syria are threats to the United States, then he can go back to Congress and make the case. It doesn't have to be "chapter and verse", but it has to be convincing.

    I don't think this so-called "hot pursuit" doctrine is applicable, nor do I think that his inherent power allows him to attack another sovereign nation without Congressional approval.

    > . If we REQUIRED them to move to $7.25 an hour, it would BANKRUPT their economy.

    You'd better inform Ms Pelosi of this. She announced yesterday that the bill would be amended to include American Samoa.

    Cee:

    What a surprise it is to me that you would quote Patrick McHenry for ANYTHING. I just KNOW you're smarter than that, unlike many of my fellow North Carolians who put that zealot in office.

    Patrick McHenry is a total zero! If you'll remember, He's the same fool who appeared on every network trying to somehow spin the REPUBLICAN Foley scandle into a Democratic scandle.

    While I don't really know enough about American Samoa to comment on this exemption (and I suspect you don't either), I can comment on you're use of the word 'hypocracy' to characterize this situation.

    If you'll recall recent Senate history, you will remember that illustrious former 'leader', Bill Frist, another Congressional zero, kept trying to use the minimum wage bill as a vehicle to sneak through a roll back of the estate tax for the rich. Even his fellow Republicans were too smart to let him get away with that one.

    That is hypocracy at it's zenith....to compromise so as to help the poor, but ONLY if we can help the rich at the same time.....all during a time of massive federal deficits.

    "She announced yesterday that the bill would be amended to include American Samoa."

    That's a dumb move - precipitated by pressure from people who have no clue about the economic impact.

    If she does this, I hope cooler head will prevail in the Senate (which is already discussing implementing the same type of "wage board" that American Samoa uses for the Northern Mariana Islands).

    EE, first what does ALMUF mean? Second, I am asumming by 'hot pursuit' you mean possible unplanned actions taken over their border in a situation where the Syrians and Iranians may flee for safety?

    Third and last, I don't remember GWB using any term like that. So, I assume that is your take on the bottom line of his message. Is this 'hot pursuit' that you think he needs congressional approval for.

    If I understand you, deploying another carrier group in the Persian Gulf is OK and new efforts to iterdict foreign activities and incursions at Iraq's borders is OK. I'm not sure how you feel about arresting their so called diplomats.

    I feel that Syria and especially Iran have been very openly threatening and confrontational to the US and our allies and interests. Do you assign any responsibility to them in this matter and how much.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Janet:

    Gosh Grammie, in reading you're recent posts, it appears you people really won't be happy until you're very own 'Dear Leader' actually does succeed in igniting a regional conflagaration of truly apolcolyptic proportions.

    I am signing off now until much later.

    Mike and EE, I think you are missing the bottom line point Cee is trying to make.

    The case of American Samoa is an extreme one, but it does illustrate the flaws involved with an outside force dictating wages to private business. Keep in mind that employers' cost per employee is beyond just salary. It includes matching FICA contributions,Unemployment Inurance taxes, Workman Comp premiums and liability insurance taxes. If a compny offers other benefits the cost of those would be added on top of all that.

    When costs go high enough and can't be passed on in higher prices, that is when businesses reconsider and sometimes lay off or not hire new workers for marginally necessary work.

    One last tid bit, Madame Pelosi's husband alledgely owns a HUGE chunk (14 million dollar range) of stock in StarKist.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Mike, you better sign off to much later. It won't be much help though Because Grammie never forgets and never sleeps.

    Now you know why I get so cranky sometimes. :)

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    "EE, first what does ALMUF mean?"

    Authorization for Use of Military Force - the Congressional authorization for the War in Iraq.

    "Second, I am asumming by 'hot pursuit' you mean possible unplanned actions taken over their border in a situation where the Syrians and Iranians may flee for safety?"

    Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Unless such actions are in response to a direct threat of death to American forces, we should not violate the territorial sovereignty of either nation with our armed forces. That constitutes an act of war, while Iran and Syria can excuse away the actions of any agents in Iraq as "rogue actors" or "unsanctioned acts".

    "If I understand you, deploying another carrier group in the Persian Gulf is OK and new efforts to iterdict foreign activities and incursions at Iraq's borders is OK."

    That's traditional "gunboat diplomacy" and I agree with it. A little saber-rattling is acceptable here.

    "I'm not sure how you feel about arresting their so called diplomats."

    I think that we should have at least given a "heads-up" to the autonomous Kurdish government in northern Iraq that we were conducting an operation (without delving into the specifics of that operation). And I think I need to know more about the specifics of the actual mission before commenting further.

    "I feel that Syria and especially Iran have been very openly threatening and confrontational to the US and our allies and interests. Do you assign any responsibility to them in this matter and how much."

    I do assign responsibility to them, but it is hard to gauge how much. Syria was more friendly to U.S. interests before we lumped them in with Iran (do you remember the Syrian soldiers who lost their lives defending our embassy there when it was attacked las year). They were at least an "honest broker" that we could rely on to shuttle between us and Iran if necessary.
    Iran's internal situation is rapidly evolving as the moderates and reformers are pushing back against the hard-liners. But an attack against Tehran will solidify the hard-liners power base and lead to reprisals both against American forces in Iraq as well as allies in Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    "The case of American Samoa is an extreme one, but it does illustrate the flaws involved with an outside force dictating wages to private business."

    Well, then we have a problem. 29 states already mandate that companies pay MORE than the minimum wage. In San Francisco and Los Angeles the minimum wage is in the $8-10 range, far above what this bill will require. And yet I do not see "economic flight" from those places.

    "When costs go high enough and can't be passed on in higher prices, that is when businesses reconsider and sometimes lay off or not hire new workers for marginally necessary work."

    I took Economics 101. I understand the principles.

    "One last tid bit, Madame Pelosi's husband alledgely owns a HUGE chunk (14 million dollar range) of stock in StarKist."

    Allegedly. No one has proven such a connection exists and even NewsBusters considers the information suspect.

    cee, do I have to explain this AGAIN? American Samoa's current wage rate is $3.60 an hour. If we REQUIRED them to move to $7.25 an hour, it would BANKRUPT their economy. 93% of their exports are tuna. Tuna canneries and tuna fishing is their PRIMARY industry (as you point out in your quote) - one that CANNOT survive with that sharp a wage increase (considering neighboring nations pay as little as 66 cents an hour).

    Doesn't everybody deserve a living wage??

    WASHINGTON - Fending off charges of favoritism, House Democrats say a just-passed minimum wage bill will be changed to cover all U.S. territories — including American Samoa — before it reaches President Bush's desk.


    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., told reporters she has instructed the House Education and Labor Committee to help get the bill changed to "make sure that all of the territories have to comply with the U.S. law on minimum wage

    According to someone Samoa will be bankrupt.

    "Doesn't everybody deserve a living wage??"

    In American Samoa, where the per capita income is $8,000 a year, $3.60 IS a living wage.

    Bush should save Samoa and veto the minimun wage!!!!!!! Do it for the Samoa children.

    Will Keith Olbermann do a speshul komment about how Nancy Pelosi is about to bankrupt an American territory?

    The special comment will blame Bush for signing a bill that bankrupted Samoa. I have worked out the opening lines for Krazy Keith to read.

    Only this president, only in this time, only with this dangerous, even messianic certitude, could answer a American territory demanding that it not be bankrupted raise the minimun wage.
    Only this president could look out over a vista of thousands of children and thousands of old people in Samoa, and finally say, "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me" -- only to follow that by proposing to repeat the identical mistake ... in the whole United States

    "Will Keith Olbermann do a speshul komment about how Nancy Pelosi is about to bankrupt an American territory?"

    If the GOP hadn't made up some sort of nefarious plot and then LIED to the press about how wages are set in American Samoa (the U.S. Department of Labor does it - read Title 29, Section 205 of the United States Code and 29 C.F.R. 511), then Pelosi wouldn't have to do this just to shut them up.

    As I said, cooler heads will prevail in the Senate.

    I guess Nancy doesn't have the cajones to stand up to those nasty ole' Republicans. She went "mano a mano" with them and blinked first. That is remarkable, because after her most recent face lift it's amazing that she can blink at all.

    "I guess Nancy doesn't have the cajones to stand up to those nasty ole' Republicans. She went "mano a mano" with them and blinked first."

    Which is a shame, because I thought she'd weather the storm.

    "That is remarkable, because after her most recent face lift it's amazing that she can blink at all."

    When in doubt, insult her looks. Classic - did you take your lessons from the other "he-man woman haters" on the right?

    EE,

    You must admit that she looks hideous now. There should be a "one face lift per person per lifetime" rule because the results can be very, very, bad. So I am insulting her too frequent use of the surgeon's scalpal, not her looks. I'm sure in her day she was a litle hottie.

    "When in doubt, insult her looks. Classic - did you take your lessons from the other "he-man woman haters" on the right?"

    No. Not at all. You see it is Olby himself who has taught some of us here how to make slams against women based on their physical appearance. Hags, bags, old, fat, why Keith has used each and every one of those words on Countdown. And somehow, I don't see any of you chiding him for that. Now why would that be? Hypocritical much there are you? Why of course you are. You are Olbermann apologists and contorting yourself into pretzels to defend him comes with the territory.

    EE, perhaps Rico took lessons from all the he-men here , with a few notable exceptions, on the left.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Will look into any details re Iranian diplomats later. Have Grankiddies over now.

    Deficit Falls To Lowest Level In Years.....WASHINGTON (AP) -- The federal deficit has improved significantly in the first three months of the new budget year, helped by a continued surge in tax revenues.
    In its monthly budget report, the Treasury Department said Friday that the deficit from October through December totaled $80.4 billion, the smallest imbalance for the first three months of a budget year since The budget year ends Sept. 30.
    .
    XXXXXXXXXXXX
    Who wants to bet on Olbermann reporting this Monday? Har! Har!Har! Har!

    "Deficit Falls To Lowest Level In Years....."

    That's great, EXCEPT that the deficit for the year is actually projected to INCREASE 15.2% to 286 billion dollars, according to the Congressional Budget Office. And that's a conservative estimate compared to the Bush Administration's forecast, which calls for a deficit of 339 billion.

    Might want to be reading the WHOLE article next time, sport.

    "Might want to be reading the WHOLE article next time, sport.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 13, 2007 11:27 PM"


    Your quarrel is with the AP.

    THEY wrote the story and found it significant and unusual that the deficit improved in first three months of a budget year due to increased tax revenues (remember those tax cuts).

    I find it significant that the OMB's deficit projection is actually lower than the one made by the policoes...

    "THEY wrote the story and found it significant and unusual that the deficit improved in first three months of a budget year due to increased tax revenues (remember those tax cuts)."

    Yeah, great. We saved a little today...but we'll still have to shell out MORE before all is said and done.

    And that's not counting this (from Friday's New York Times):

    "Top officials at the Internal Revenue Service are pushing agents to prematurely close audits of big companies with agreements to have them pay only a fraction of the additional taxes that could be collected, according to dozens of I.R.S. employees who say that the policy is costing the government billions of dollars a year.

    “It’s catch and release,” said Douglas R. Johnson, an I.R.S. auditor in Colorado for three decades who said he grew so frustrated at how large corporations were allowed to pay far less than what he thought they owed that he transferred to the agency’s small-business division.

    With one exception, other working agents would talk about the issue only on condition they not be identified because they feared being fired. They said a policy intended to avoid delays in auditing corporations was being pushed so rigidly that it prevented them from pursuing numerous examples of questionable corporate tax deductions."

    "Yeah, great. We saved a little today...but we'll still have to shell out MORE before all is said and done"

    The story never denied that more would be shelled out due to the war in Iraq. Neither did the person who posted the story.

    The point is that in the midst of an expensive war and with a tax cut, tax revenues are up, in a way that was not predicted. The poster's point that was that though the AP reported this news, Olbermann sure wouldn't.

    It's certainly making the glass half-full too for you to pull out an "orange" with the AP's "apple", by posting a story about the IRS and their typical right-hand-doesn't-know-what-the-left-hand-is-doing behavior, specifically, their enforcing a policy meant to expedite audits of corporations to the point that it cuts short their own investigations into the practices of these corporations.

    Felons are the guests on Keith's show
    To prison John Dean did he go
    But now he is back
    Countdown's legal hack
    NBC has hit a new low

    Edward R.,
    If I were a Republican or Fox fan I'd stay away from attacking felons in politics.

    The limerick was not an attack
    The rhyme only meant to state fact
    John Dean is a crook
    Disbarred and mistook
    And the NBC brass is on crack

    mY SON TOLD ME HEARD THAT YOU SAID CHARLES D. SIMPSON THE INFAMOUS DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PERSON WHO OBJECTED TO DETAINEES BEING REPRESENBTED BY COUNSEL HAS BEEN FIRED. iS THIS TRU? I CANNOT FIND A REFERENCE TO IT IN THE NEWS ANYWHERE.

    MY SON TOLD ME HEARD THAT YOU SAID CHARLES D. SIMPSON THE INFAMOUS DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PERSON WHO OBJECTED TO DETAINEES BEING REPRESENBTED BY COUNSEL HAS BEEN FIRED. IS THIS GOOD NEWS TRUE?

    I CANNOT FIND A REFERENCE TO IT IN TODAY'S NEWS ANYWHERE.