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Who knew when this hour began that Krazy Keith would ascend to new heights of casuistry, envy, and sheer hypocritical chutzpah? But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Olby bellowed the opening spiel with Bush and Condi Rice, Barack Obama's announcement, and then--in a real stretch--why "24" isn't entertainment, it's propaganda designed to keep people scared and thinking about terrorism. Plus more on the kidnappings and Donald Trump.
The Hour of Spin proper started out with Iraq, sectarian violence, and why the President's attempt to "sell" his policy is going "from bad to worse". We got bombings, Saudis, Condi Rice, and the Bush/Lehrer interview. Obama announces he will consider announcing. Fat Ass started out with lefty Alter by impartially stating how he is "speechless" at Bush's "bundle of disconnects" and "tone deafness". Alter was more incensed at Bush not raising taxes, spewing the exact line of talking points approved by the DNC. Olby was pleased that with Jim Webb giving the Dem response next week, his party would finally give a "passionate" response to the eeevil Bush. He also talked about Obama, but neither Fat Ass nor his Pinocchio explained what exactly about the guy makes him Presidential timber.
In an elegant bit of OlbySpin, KO brought up a rumor about why Hillary had cancelled a press conference, denied by Hillary, and suggested that this shows how "Republican talking points" worm their way into news coverage. Um, what evidence is there that the rumor had anything to do with the GOP? Well, none. This, like the infamous Drudge leak from the White House (not!), is just Edward R Olbermann pulling stuff out of his usual repository. Even Alter didn't buy into this bit of tomfoolery. So why did Olby waste any time with it? Of course he didn't come up with this "controversy" on his own; he lifted it from a Blue Blog Source (Media Matters). And, in deference to Dan Abrams, Keith "I answer to nobody" Olbermann neatly left out that this rumor-mongering of a supposed "Republican talking point" finding its way into news coverage? It happened on A-Mess-NBC! What a tool.
The next enemy in Monkeymann's sights was the eeevil tv show, "24". It must be eeevil, it's eating into the meager Hour of Spin ratings. He contrasted the reception the show gets to the reaction to Al Gore's movie. Attention Krazy Keith: Gore's film is supposed to be a documentary. "24" is fiction. It's not real. You know, like Sponge Bob. You should say to yourself it's just a show, you should really just relax.
Olby's intro talked about using fear to scare people to vote the way they want (yeah, that Kiefer Sutherland is on Karl Rove's payroll), and KO took special note of the mushroom cloud, citing it as the administration's "imagery" for the Iraq War.
All right, stop the tivo! Is Keith really this much of a nitwit, or is he dishonestly pretending this is something new? America was attacked by nukes on tv decades ago in The Day After. How about the recent movie The Sum of All Fears? More to the point, just last season a series ran called Jericho. On this program, multiple US cities were hit with terrorist nuclear attacks. You can see an image from this show to the right. Where was Citizen Keith with his moral outrage? How many times did he condemn this on The Hour of Spin? Here's a hint: Never! Of course, Jericho was on CBS. Could that be why the discredited sports guy ignored it, but is now blasting a show on Fox that affected his ratings? Ya think?
From his stock company of repertory parrots, Olby chose Robert "Xanadu" Greenwald as his expert on quality entertainment. Hahahaaa! Immediately "Man on Fan" Olbermann described dramatizing terrorist incidents as a "fear tactic". Funny, he didn't complain about Sleeper Cell on Showtime. Could this be more Olbypocrisy? Ya think? Mr Xanadu launched into an attack on Fox News and "this administration". Not to be outdone, Olby said 24 is "naked brainwashing". Mr Xanadu complained that the show depicts torture as working, but it doesn't work (we won't even go into debunking this ancient Olbermann lie; just search for Brian Ross in the archives). KO launched into a diatribe about Sen Richard McCain, Sen John Cornyn, "comedian Rush Limbaugh", but neglected to attack huge fans of the show on the other side of the aisle, like Barbra Streisand. More Olbypocrisy? Ya think? Mr Xanadu whined about "blurring the fact with the fiction", but he was in the wrong venue for that complaint--Countdown does it every night.
After such a zenith of farcical sophistry, everything else was anticlimactic. Oddball, the kidnappings (lengthy regurgitated video from the Today show), airport delays (more recycled NBC reportage), Naomi Campbell, Anna Nicole Smith, Brangelina. #1 was all about Donald Trump, with the creepy Michael Musto.
In the Media Matters Minute, the White House Correspondents were slammed because they didn't pick someone "edgy" for entertainment at their annual dinner (Blue Blog Source: Daily Kos). The Department of Defense was "worst person" for an auction (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress).
Quiescent canines: The infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann made no mention of Russia delivering missiles to Iran. No point in Olby getting on the wrong side of his buddies. And of course, with oil prices continuing to fall, the stock market hit another all-time record high--everywhere except on OlbyPlanet. Then there's the story of Bevan Sevan, former head of the UN's Oil for Food program, who has been indicted in federal court. Censoring this story is a twofer for Herr Olbermann--he can cover up not just the crimes of Saddam but also UN corruption with just one spike. Just like the elevated terror alert in Russia. And still nothing, not even a snarky "worst person" nomination, for the speaker at the MLK service in Atlanta who compared the hanging of Saddam Hussein to the crucifixion of Christ.
Olbermann's book The book that bears Olberman's name has dwindled to #5,856 at amazon.com, but "Culture Warrior" is #101. The OlbyTome is #2,594 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #206 there, as well as being one of 2006's top ten best sellers. The ratings for Friday's Hour of Spin were yet another humiliation for the Orange Man. He finished in a dismal, embarrassing fourth place, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW]
Olby, now we know you are officially insane. Bashing "24" as a Fox attempt to scare the public into supporting the administration? You used the term "brainwashing." Does Olby don his tinfoil hat and think Jack Bauer is sending him messages through his TV? It's a fictional TV show, you loon.
Olby thinks the Simpsons and The Family Guy are the greatest thing since baseball cards, and they both are on Fox. Olby, why do you have such a different opinion about those shows? Are you sure Homer and Marge aren't sending you subliminal signals? Maybe they are brainwashing you into loving Rupert Murdoch.
Did Greenwald just say he's not a conspiracy theorist? Loonapalooza!
Jack Bauer is always the one that saves the day ... how is that scaring the public ???
He must scary Olbyloons. The Olbysphere is a strange place.
scare, I mean. How paranoid can Olby possibly be? He's been reading too many blue blogs.
When we try to intermix politics into entertainment... the art suffers ...
23 is fantastic. Its intent is to keep us on the edge of our seats by using suspense and sudden plot twists. How does it suffer by having a plotline about terrorism, which is an entirely real subject that has affected way too many people for decades?
And so is 24, by the way. Sorry.
I meant ... the art suffers by editing out the mushroom cloud ...
Maybe there should be a "23" ... a show with all of the same in it as 24 ... but without that extra controversial part that Olbermann thinks is propaganda .
If it's on Fox and runs at the same time as his show, Olby will still find bad things to say about it.
If some House Republican on the Governmental Reform Committee is clever enough (admittedly a dubious proposition),when Congressman Kucinich holds his hearing on reinstlling the Fairness Doctorine, they should roll out a big posterboard display chart with the list of Keith's guests from the past two years of "Countdown", along with some clips of his special comments and greatest hits, to enter into the official record. Then they should say they have no problem whatsoever with MSNBC allowing a show like Olbermann's on the air, because it's not for the government to make the rules for what can and can't go on the air, it's something that the marketplace via the listening and viewing public should decide.
Look, I know it's fiction. "CSI" is fiction too, but all around the country people are affecting the outcome of trials because the forensic evidence presented doesn't match what Gil Grissom or Horatio Caine does on TV. Go to the bookstore - there are books on "The CSI Effect", "The Ethics of Star Trek", books on the spirituality of "The Simpsons", and on and on...
People ARE influenced by television - you can deny it, you can say it's no big deal. But IT IS THERE.
Little Miss Redstate snipes: "It's almost as inane as thinking atmittantly is actually a word"
It's really good that you on the right have little Miss "snipe' Manners, Redstate, who continues to patrol this site, ever on the prowl for any spelling, grammar, or context error she can find....but only with MY posts, or maybe a few others who continue to put forth real ideas that she just can't handle.
Why, just a couple of weeks ago, this little troll ordered me "to leave this country" just because of something I posted that displeased her, ignoring the fact that I, unlike her, actually served this country during a time of war, and also the fact that I might have just a little more insight than she does, as a brain dead and blind follower of her dear president, who I believe is in the process of bankrupting and destroying our country from within.
But she sure knows her grammar and spelling....and thats something, I guess!
But wait a minute! Maybe not, since she never actually SAYS anything other than take little cowardly snipes at me and a few others!
Redstate, you are nothing but a pathetic little 'snipe'....so afraid to actually engage anyone with real ideas, probably because you don't really have any of your own!
But on to something really important....I wonder what I spelled wrong above?
Wow... attacking "24"
That's way WAY far out stuff. Was this Olby officially jumping the shark?
As for it showing that torture works... this season has also showed a lot of "the government stepping all over the constitution" and things like that... you'd think Olby would like that they show the govn't in a negative light.
Maybe he'll do a Special Comment about the eeevils of "24"
This site should change it's name to Fox and Friends.
Too bad that name is already taken.
I think you are trying to find any reason to justify Olby's paranoid ramblings. Terrorism has influenced us all - of course it will be a theme in television shows and other entertainment vehicles. The reason Olby made an example of 24, as opposed to other programs or movies, is because it's on Fox. More twisted Olbylogic from Moonbat Boy.
All I said was that I thought Keifer was hot and the next thing I know, Keith is on tv bashing 24. Wait til he finds out I have a thing for Anderson Cooper. He was actually my first choice but since he's not interested in my "type", I had to go with KO. Wonder if Lou Dobbs is single? I hear he makes $6 million a year. And I bet he doesn't take Viagra either. . .
I guess the eeeevil Republicans at FOX are so right-wing that they would allow two Afro-American Presidents on 24 as well. If Olbermann doesn't get called out on this in the mainstream media, well, there is nothing mainstream about it.
By the way, earlier in the day Craig Crawford kept referring to CTU (Counter Terrorism Unit) on 24 as the "CSI" unit. Yeah Craig, I'm sure you even watch the show enough to comment on it. Get some more Grecian formula...
Mike, what you said was "I fear Bush more than Islamic terrorists." That statement alone makes me ill that you're even a fellow citizen of this country. Look forward to seeing your all-night posting tomorrow morning.
What's Keith's problem with 24? It's a fictional show. Much like Countdown.
So Olbermann attacks 24? I guess he's upset at anything that shows Muslims in a bad light.
Is Olbermann Muslim or is he a miserable soul that complains about everthing!
Olbermann, get a life!
Oh Craig Crawford wouldn't know from 24 or CSI unless he's watching it for the hot guys on those shows. His kind of show is more like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" or a PBS tribute to Judy Garland or something.
Almost as inane as thinking that "admittantly" is actual a word.
Posted by: RedState at January 16, 2007 7:34 PM
C'mon redstate, if you're going to pull out your red pen and correct the posts here, you'd better make sure you don't make any errors yourself.
Typical Republicon
Well little Miss Redtate, it's so amazing that you found it within yourself to respond to me without taking another snipe at me.
While I think you lifted that quote a little out of context, I'm SO sorry I make you ill. Take some aspirin and check me out in the morning.
So I'll make the point again. I believe we are stuck with a President so dangerously incompetent that he represents more actual danger to us, and the world, than the terrorists ever could.
You see Miss Manners, I just don't buy this argument that ragtag Islamic Terrorists, who can't even avoid fighting among themselves, could possibly ever destroy America. We can only destroy ourselves from within....by over-reaction and irrational fear.
"So Olbermann attacks 24? I guess he's upset at anything that shows Muslims in a bad light."
Oh, puh-leeze...now you're just half-assing it Red Wolf. If you're gonna be hyperbolic, at least make it entertaining...
Why do Leftists like Teheran Keith get mad over fiction. The Left dominates the entertainment industry and they put out shows and movies showing things from a Leftist perspective(No problem with me). But why they get mad when there's a show that leans Right? I don't get it!
I'm convinced the goal of the American Left is to silence the right so can have a Stalinist regime. With control of the media and entertainment the seeds of a Cuba style dictaorship is there.
Mike,
have you read the history of Islam? In the 7th century the Romans and Persians though that a bunch of fanatical desert raiders could beat them. They were wrong. never underestimate Islam.
They are a dangerous enemy. Hey have you seen the undercover report from UK where a journalists infiltrated Mosques? The Iman openly braged that the UK and US will come under Muslim control.
Mike, my ancestors were almost genocidally wiped out by Islam, don't underestimate them.
The left worships Fidel. Watch when the old bastard finally does die, the left websites will be filled with anguished posts mourning his passing. They think he's Mr. Wonderful.
I hate Bush, I hate Christians. The radical Right must die!
Red Wolf:
The '24' controversy is just a sign of these unfortunate times.
Those like me believe that America has been consumed with an irrational fear of Islamic Terrorism too long and this has inflated the percieved danger far beyond it's actual importance. Shows like '24' will do nothing but add to that fear, but they have every right to make the show....this is America.
From my vantage point, many on the far right seem to want to 'silence' people like Olbermann, and anyone else who calls them on their terrorist obsession.
If those on the left are trying to 'silence' the right, as you say, they sure do have one hell of a task ahead of them...what with Limbaugm, Hannitty, O'Reilly, Ingram, Savage, etc., etc, etc.
All I can say is that there are a whole lot more voices on the right to try to 'silence' than there are on the left these days.
Mike,
Can you address my historical point about underestimating Islam?
"But why they get mad when there's a show that leans Right? I don't get it!"
Funny, I don't remember a big kerfuffle about "JAG", or "NCIS", or "The Unit", or "E-Ring" (though that was admittedly a crappy show)...
Personally, I like JAG and NCIS (if Leroy Jethro Gibbs ran Homeland Security, I'd be as happy as a pig in the waller). And both of those shows definitely have a right-wing bent.
Most one hour dramas still follow the traditional formula - good guys against bad guys. The bad guys are REALLY bad or are being forced to do bad by even badder guys. Good guys go in, kick ass and take names. Happy ending (sometimes after a plot twist or a couple episodes).
Red Wolf:
I think it might be time to let what happened in the 7th Century be bygones.
Mike,
You forgot to mention you biggest obsession: KAF!
"All I can say is that there are a whole lot more voices on the right to try to 'silence' than there are on the left these days."
CNN, MSNBC, NBC news, CBS news, Washington Post, NY Times, Newsweek, Time magazine, Think Progress, Daily Kos, Media Matters, George Soros and Hollywood.
Yeah the Left has less voices than the Right!
Mike,
My point is never underestimate your enemies. Islam is a dangerous foe. Plus with the Media in the west as allies they're really dangerous!
Tonight's Olbypologist winner is Mike. He was first to invoke O'Rushity, at 10:25 pm. Congratulations. We'll see tomorrow who can beat Mike's record.
Johnny,
Soon the rest of the Leftist hordes will appear!
This will be the subject!
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"I'm convinced the goal of the American Left is to silence the right so can have a Stalinist regime. With control of the media and entertainment the seeds of a Cuba style dictaorship is there."
Posted by: Red Wolf at January 16, 2007 10:11 PM
Red Wolf is worried about the 'Leftists' converting us to a Stalin-Like Dictatorship? You mean, like where you don't have any freedom of religion. Let's consult a previous post by the self-described 'social libertarian.'
Q: why is the religion call Islam?
A: Because always said" I Slam a camel in the ass!
Posted by: Red Wolf at January 12, 2007 3:02 AM
Mr Scholar,
I attack Islam because it bothers the Left! It's your guys achilles heel. You attack the Christian Right, I'll attack Islam. All is fair!
Hey Scholar,
what do you think of Olbermann now going after 24. You have to admit he's reaching! This is getting too much. I gues he must do whatever George Soros instructs him! Olbermann is Vader to Soros's Palpatine!
Your ignorance doesn't bother me.
And PS-You're not 'attacking' Islam. You're making yourself look stupid online.
Red Wolf:
You will never get me to agree that CNN is 'left'. I think they are as middle of the road as you can get. In fact I don't respect them any more because they allowed themselves to be intimidated into making a hard right turn. Just check out Glenn Beck for example!
NBC and MSNBC are one and the same and we can agree to disagree on that one. Pardon me if I don't take O'Reilly's word for anything.
I don't have daily access to the post and NY Times but I will say this...the NY Times did play a pivotal role in helping the administration justify the Iraq invasion during the run up to the war.
Newsweek and Time...I just disagree with you on those two. They are both very "fair and balanced" in my opinion!
Lets don't get into web sites...there are literally thousands of them.
Are you aware that I made a post a couple of months ago on this very web site stating my opinion that cable TV news, on the whole, leaned slightly to the right? And do you know who, to my surprise, actually agreed with me?....His name is Robert Cox! Mr. Cox is certainly no 'leftie'.
Olbermann brought up "24" because it's on Fox. "Jericho" comes much closer to the hysterical fear-mongering that he described, but somehow, the CBS show escaped his wrath. Hmmm.
Mike,
What brought about this "terrorist" obsession? Could it be 9/11 when our country was attacked by terrorists? Could it be that people have become more knowledgeable about the nature of radical Islam? UBL (who is probably dead from typhus) stated his intentions and carried them out. He isn't the only one who has these intentions. What is your opinion of the vigilance of both Presidents Clinton and Bush concerning pre 9/11 information? Shouldn't we as a nation be more vigilant? And who is trying to silence Olbermann? What Johnny Dollar consistently addresses is Olby's misreporting of and biased presentation of the news. Others comment in kind. (BTW, religious discussions are really off target but I really should save a copy of Cee's last response presenting a scientific argument supporting that the intricate nature of the human body could not have come about by evolution. It is not just a crackpot idea of some loony Christians. There are others who are able to debate the secular humanists at that level.)
Mike,
We'll agree to disagree on the subject of media bias. This argument will go nowhere. It's like saying which came 1st, the chicken or the egg!
Hey do you watch Football?
Johnny:
So "invoking O'Rushity" is defined by bringing up the names, regardless of what context it was done in?
Mike doesn't have "daily access to the Post or the NY Times?" Uhm, they both have websites. That's how I read them on a daily basis. Here Mike, let me help you out here: www.nytimes.com and www.washingtonpost.com.
Extra bonus points to Cato for correctly pointing out that Olby had no problem whatsoever with a show that painted a far more nightmarish scene on CBS. Funny, Keith had no problem voicing a character on the evil-Fox's "Family Guy" program now did he? Did he earn money from Rupert Murdoch for his voice cameo appearance? You mean he'd take money from the evil Rupert Murdoch? Quelle horror! Oh but that show doesn't air in his time slot on a night his show is on the air now does it?
Since this is a blog about Keith Olbermann, and just to cite O'Rushity as a sort of tu quoque fallacy is really off the point of Olbermann. If someone writes a horrible book, pointing to another horrible book doesn't make the first one good. It's an irrelevancy, and a distraction trick of Olbypologists.
Sharon:
I certainly do agree with you that "we should be more vigilant"!
One example; we should be inspecting more than 5 - 10% of the containers coming into this country and stop wasting time and resources with our obsession in Iraq.
If a terrorist planted nuclear bomb does go off in America, and it is found to have come in on one of these containers, what are we going to say then? We know this is a problem, yet we are not doing nearly enough to plug the hole.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info:80/article6895.htm
If you're hiding from the truth you will not want to copy and paste this link.
Note the heading on the very top of the page that says: NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN
Fox News is not mentioned simply because CNN is the real corupt news source simply because CNN pretends to be centered news. We all know Fox News is bullshit so when CNN pushes propaganda it is far more damaging.
Here's the link again, it is a 10 minutes video, 2 minutes into it and you won't want to turn away.
Leave this page for 10 minutes break and see what it is all about.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info:80/article6895.htm
30 minutes from now I will put my name to this post, my OW name that is
KAF:
I'll keep on looking for signs that you are a 'liberal', as you claim. So far, I haven't seen any!
But Mike, you were also the first, at 10:09 PM to invoke the name of Bush when you posted this gem, "I believe we are stuck with a President so dangerously incompetent that he represents more actual danger to us, and the world, than the terrorists ever could."
So you see, you're a winner in both the O'Rushity and Bush categories for the evening. I don't know why you seem slightly peeved that you won tonight's competition.
"If someone writes a horrible book, pointing to another horrible book doesn't make the first one good."
Sure it doesn't, but it does add 'context.'
Praising or criticizing something in a vacuum is pointless.
KAF:
Your definition of 'peeved' is funny. Somehow, if I were peeved, I think I'd be the first to know it.
Oh, I see, you're so busy looking for signs of my liberal street cred that you don't have time to read major newspapers with comprehensive websites like the NY Times and the Washington Post. Again, your obsession with this site and me remains baffling. It's actually apparently interferring with your internet travels to other sites. I'm sure you'll write many more diatribe-style posts against me while I sleep through the night but I'll be sure to check in tomorrow to see your off-topic rants on Bush and on me. I look forward to it!
KAF says: "your obsession with this site and me remains baffling".
No more baffling than your 'liberal' obsession with KO and this site.
Oh, and P.S.? Posting about me also counts as an off-topic rant designed to change the subject from the discussion at hand which is how batshit crazy Olbermann is to think that an ENTERTAINMENT show, a FICTIONAL show is somehow evidence of some right-wing plot to poison the minds of America. The more discerning of us here at Olbermannwatch know that the real threat are opinion shows disgused as news programs that refuse to cover certain stories and only feature opinions from one-side of the aisle, which is exactly what Countdown is. See, on-topic post. Now that isn't so hard to do is it? Oh, right. For you, it's supremely difficult. I don't think I've seen you make an on-topic post ever. Too busy trying to distract heat away from your hero Olbermann and his many, many failings as an alleged news anchor and journalist.
Olbermann is just a George Soros puppet. He talks whatever his leader orders to him to!
How dense are you Mr. 'libral' KAF?
How many times do I have to tell you that I don't give a rats ass about 'defending' Keith Olbermann? Yes, he has his flaws but he can defend himself quite well....he doen't need my help.
I come here to discuss ISSUES, mostly the war, and when the topic becomes nothing but an inane rant about KO, I'll be gone before you can say Bill O'Reilly!
Mike,
Since you think Bush is a bigger danger to us than terrorism, please list those bad things that will happen to us because of Bush. But "terrorism" can't be one of them.
Rico, I've really got to get off here, but it is adictive!
I'll name one really bad thing that has already happened to us because of Bush.....Iraq!
Mike,
One of the points you have often raised is that withdrawal from Iraq will not lead to chaos. FYI at your convenience.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/002926.php
Mike...not Ohio Mike, of course, posted the following gem:
"How many times do I have to tell you that I don't give a rats ass about 'defending' Keith Olbermann? Yes, he has his flaws but he can defend himself quite well....he doen't need my help."
He doesn't need your help? Well, you are right there....It isn't hard to defend yourself when you have a grand total of ZERO guests on your show who question you or criticize your stance, views, or behavior.
If you call "defending yourself quite well" being quarantined from everyone walking the planet who could disagree with you....well, then I guess I have no argument.
You win, Mike.
Mike,
The problem in Iraq, as I see it, is that Bush isn't even trying to win. His rules of engagement are so politically correct that he appears to be taking victory out of the equation. So I kind of agree with you that the Iraq deal is a bad thing, but we won't like each others reasons.
"Posting about me also counts as an off-topic rant designed to change the subject from the discussion at hand which is how batshit crazy Olbermann is to think that an ENTERTAINMENT show, a FICTIONAL show is somehow evidence of some right-wing plot to poison the minds of America."
You didn't read my post where I pointed out that "CSI" (a FICTIONAL show) has had a dramatically negative impact upon the criminal justice system - or have you never heard of "The CSI Effect"? About how jurors demand high-level forensic analysis, including DNA analysis even when not relevant to the case?
Here, educate yourself:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0923_040923_csi.html
http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/crime-scene-investigation.html
Television DOES influence us - even fictional shows can change our perceptions (both directly and indirectly).
Ensign Expendable,
Who cares about a TV show! Let the people decide if they want to watch it. Hey how about Jericho on CBS, is that Rightwing Propaganda too?
The ignorance on this site is mind-numbing.
Somebody please create O'Reilly Watch so I can get the hell off this blog!
EE,
Your a point about how television in general can negatively influence society. Wouldn't you agree that providing a "newscast" that has been shown to be biased and flatly erroneous at times is also detrimental? Without even reading the articles you have posted, I would completely accept that jurors have placed prosecutors in an untenable situation.
Oops, your point, not a point
Let me try again. You made a point that ...
Sharon: I usually don't follow web addresses posted by others, but because I respect you, I did.
So, I see that this 'Mahammed' fellow believes leaving will cause disaster and they will then "follow us to Washington"!
I'm quite certain that is his honest opinion...he may be right and he may be wrong, but more than anything, it underscores the complexity of this pandora's box we have opened.
I never denied that a Pandora's Box was opened. I found his comments unnerving, especially since he is not making predictions based upon elections or any self-serving interests. (I appreciate your taking time to read it. I usually don't bother with web addresses either and only read what is posted. Next time, I'll give a heads up as to content so that you won't waste your time if the topic is inconsequential to you.)
FYI: http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/002926.php
An Interview with a Fallujan Police Officer
"Who cares about a TV show! Let the people decide if they want to watch it"
Jeeeez Redwolf don't you get it!!If you let people
decide i.e. make choices or give them choices they
might not watch lefty shows like Countdown.....pussy
ass liberals can't compete in the real world....
Tomas Jefferson:
"I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
There are only two forms of tyranny over the mind of man - relgion and goverment that uses relgion to achive power.
Iran and the Republican party have more in common than rain and water.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3320922145165829917&q=%22Hijacking+Catastrophe%22&hl=en
Nothing like a guy who owned slaves to tell you
about tyranny eh?
So you quoted a guy who worked for the government, and is responsible for building the government in which we currently live... and referenced God in his proclamation against tyranny.
Then you talked about how much you hate government and religion.
I'd suggest a 3rd form of tyranny. Stupidity... and baby, you are ruled.
"Ensign Expendable,
Who cares about a TV show! Let the people decide if they want to watch it. Hey how about Jericho on CBS, is that Rightwing Propaganda too?
Posted by: Red Wolf at January 16, 2007 11:38 PM"
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Redwolf,
name me a tv network or cable news channel that told the truth about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz as all these neocons took this nation into Iraq instead of Afghanistan and it's boarder with Pakistan. After Sadam instead of Osama Bin Laden.
CBS? NBC? ABC? CNN? MSNBC? FOX?
Not one of them have to this day yet to tell this nation the truth.
More than 3000 dead GI's. How many of them seen on the evening news? Their families? How about the photos of children with their limbs blown off and their skin burned off with their mother or father crying uncontrollably with rage over their maimed bodies swearing revenge? See that on the news lately? As often as you see Bush saying, "the troops are behind me on this, I have their support. The American people need to support them."
The broadcast media in this nation (save for Air America) has completely kept this nation in the dark about why we are in Iraq and worse they are guilty of perpetrating the propaganda lies of the neocons to get use there in the first place.
Fox is not alone, it is just the most obvious.
Tomas Jefferson was talking about people like you when he spoke of "tyranny over the minds of people". He never wanted to see this nation become what it is today. A place where the deceived suck on the teat of deception like a starving child huddling in fear.
You are a product of ignorance and fear. What TV didn't give you your parents should have. Obviously both have failed!
I like to study propaganda ,art of persuasion, manufacturing consent..whatever you want to call it.
24 is a perfect case of propaganda although I'm not sure this was the intention of the producers and writers. First and foremost they want a successful show and $$$
Buffalo... you seem to have a lot of hate in you heart. You should learn to lighten up and love everyone for who they are... not what they are... man.
Learn to love... man. And love to be happy... man.
"So you quoted a guy who worked for the government, and is responsible for building the government in which we currently live... and referenced God in his proclamation against tyranny.
Then you talked about how much you hate government and religion.
I'd suggest a 3rd form of tyranny. Stupidity... and baby, you are ruled.
Posted by: ImNotBlue at January 17, 2007 12:26 AM"
Yea right, why don't you point out spelling errors too, it would help you be more significant here.
If I say "God dam it" does that make me religious?
If I say "go to hell" does that too make me religious?
You're an idiot all puffed up cuz you think you scored a point with this piece of work? This is what tv and religion does to ones intellect - scrambled eggs couldn't have come up with something as stupid as your comment above.
The founding fathers of this nation new what they were doing when they made the first amendment and made it law that our government was not to promote religion of any kind.
Idiots like you are who they wanted to avoid having in our democracy. Move to Iran, we will be a better nation with out you!
Did you guys see Howard Kurtz's chat at washingtonpost.com? Kurtz says Olby has a hard time getting conservative for his show! LOL!:
Alexandria, Va.: In your interviews with Olbermann, have you pressed him about his lack of conservative guests? Even two or three years ago, he still jousted with them. His show, isolated from the rest, looks much more one-sided and propagandistic than the Fox lineup. You certainly can't imagine Olbermann cracking quips with a conservative co-host! How can someone like Olbermann suggest Bush lives in a bubble of people who agree with him and then have a show like this?
Howard Kurtz: I did raise it, and I have raised it before. He said he had some difficulty getting conservative guests to come on the program. I don't know how hard he has tried, but surely there are conservative authors, columnists and political operatives who could be persuaded to appear on MSNBC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/01/08/DI2007010800681.html
Looks like redwolf too me:
"Buffalo... you seem to have a lot of hate in you heart. You should learn to lighten up and love everyone for who they are... not what they are... man.
Learn to love... man. And love to be happy... man.
Posted by: ImNotBlue at January 17, 2007 12:37 AM"
Still no hint of intellectual ability, just peanut gallery mumblings.
The calling card of Redwolf is always a denial of what he is.
"Posted by: ImNotBlue at January 17, 2007 12:37 AM"
Buffalo,
You get back here right now! I have something for you. It's your meds, and you need them badly.