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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 26, 2007
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JANUARY 26, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PRES. BUSH CHALLENGES CONGRESS: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek chief White House correspondent and MSNBC political analyst
    • SEN. CHUCK HAGEL (R-NEB.) AND IRAQ: Dana Milbank, Washington Post national political reporter and MSNBC political analyst
    • JAMES BROWN AND MICHAEL JACKSON: Paul F. Tompkins, VH-1's "Best Week Ever"

    As the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann bellowed the opening spiel, it conjured up the image of the keynote speaker at a Tourette's convention: "The President still doesn't get it"... his decisions are "disasters"... Will Sen Hagel run for President as an independent?... That man in the White House actually wants to arrest and detain Iranian fighters in Iraq... A Michael Jackson sighting, and James Brown's body--all in puppets! Real journalism, folks.

    MADMAN

    After a clip from a Bush photo-op, KO "reported" that "Mister" Bush was just "blowing smoke"; Dem plans have ranged from "non-escalation [Ding!]" to "de-escalation [Ding!]"; he's engaging in "political manipulation". Clip of Hagel opposing the plan. The Wolffe Man said it's all "astonishing"--Bush even has the Presidential seal on his mountain bike. My stars, will the outrages never cease? Oralmann: Bush is "cynical". Wolffie: he's "playing politics". Oralmann: nobody in Congress advocates "failure in Iraq". Wolffie: most people think it's already a failure.

    Then breaking news: an op-ed on a website excoriates Bush. "Hot Soup" suddenly becomes an important, authoritative voice, kind of like how Insight Magazine is a reliable OlbySource, until someone at Fox uses it. Cue Keith's Favorite Felon, John Dean. There followed a surreal conversation about credibility between America's most dangerous demagogue and a disbarred lawyer. Felon: Bush did it to himself. Olbermoronn: did "Mister" Bush lose his credibility with Katrina? Felon: Nah, that happened when he was elected. Olbermoronn: Is there any way "Mister" Bush can regain credibility? Felon: Sure, abandon principle and move to the "center". Olbermoronn: Who will "slap 'Mister' Bush around before it's too late"? Felon: He's got to do it on his own. Great thanks.

    Next, subpoenas for Rove and Bartlett to testify for the defense in The Great Leak Case. Michael Isikoff called in on a terrible line to give details. Olby claimed they were "likely to testify", but Isikoff said something a bit different: "whether they're going to be called or not is not entirely clear". He went on to say Rove might help Libby, but in doing so Rove would have to admit what he told Matt Cooper. Not clear why that would make any difference since he already admitted it in Grand Jury testimony, but who are we to question Isikoff? Great thanks.

    #3 was a paean to the wonderful surge opponent, Chuck Hagel, even replaying the same clip he ran the other day to make sure the propaganda is hammered home. Dana Milbank, without weird wardrobe, was asked, assuming the "escalation" [Ding!] fails, where does that leave Hagel? DM: It helps him. Krazy Keith: Might he, could he, please, please, please, run as an independent? DM: It's a "fantasy". KK: He "sounds like me" on civil liberties, views ascribed "these days" as "liberal attributes". (Wow, the infamous, deplorable one came this close to admitting he's a slovenly partisan hack!) Stupid Question Alert: In The Great Leak Case, won't Rove have to throw himself "under the bus" [Ding!], or Libby "under the bus" [Ding!], and isn't this just as bad as an indictment? DM: It's a window into how the White House tries to "control news" and "distort". KK: "It's a metaphor" [Ding!] Great thanks.

    An OlbyUpdate: Mike Huckabee to file papers for a Presidential run. KO falsely claims this news broke while he was talking to Dana. No it didn't.

    "Mister" Bush says Iranian fighters are fair game in Iraq. Whew, sez KO, because Bush's first comments were "widely interpreted" as a plan to launch a military attack on Iran. Hey Fat Ass, maybe they were "widely interpreted" in that way on OlbyPlanet, but here on Earth only moronic propagandists were claiming that to be fact. Bizarre OlbyLogic Point of the Day: the President's claim that he has a right to kill the enemy during a war has people "worried".

    Then Obama, Steven Spielberg, Hillary, Liz Taylor, Lindsay Lohan (here KO read a made-up report that said she was visiting a liquor store; he later admitted it was made up), Nicole Kidman, Bruce Willis, James Brown, and Michael Jackson (complete with puppets), with a last-minute recap of the "breaking" Leak Case news (featuring the nonsensical point that Rove might have to testify to something he's already testified to on multiple occasions.)

    In the Media Matters Minute, Fox for planning to run a deleted scene from the 9/11 movie on Sunday night (Blue Blog Source: Media Matters.) Olbermann Lies here include the claim that the producer is a "right-wing nut job" who believes "it was all Bill Clinton's fault. Of course Herr Olbermann left out of his diatribe the fact that the man who created and ran the CIA's Bin Laden Unit (Michael Scheuer) will be on the program to analyze the accuracy of this deleted scene. But why spoil a good smear with facts? "Worst person" was, of course, you-know-who (Blue Blog Source: Media Matters. The mother of all Olbsessions.

    OLBY

    Taciturn terriers: There's a whole pack of 'em today. Jimmy Carter objecting that there were too many Jews on the Holocuast council. Iran's nuke development continues apace with the installation of thousands of centrifuges. A top Taliban leader and many of his deputies are killed by airstrikes in Afgahnistan. Hugo Chavez threatens to expel the US ambassador. The Secretary of Defense warns that people like Olbermoronn are going to embolden the enemy. Hillary Clinton's deadbeat brother is in trouble again. The South Dakota Senate recommends censure for one of their members (D) who groped a male page. There are still calls for Sandy Berger to complete the terms of his plea agreement and take a polygraph test, but the media (especially Herr Olbermann) avoid the story. And this was KO's last change to apologize for lying about Simon Cowell, and to explain why he is entitled to report stories from Insight magazine, even reviving the meme of one of them again last night, but when someone at Fox does it they become "worst person".

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olberman's name stands at #5,487 at amazon.com, while "Culture Warrior" rose to #132. The OlbyTome is #2,641 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #341 there, as well as being one of 2006's top ten best sellers. Poor Keith; our favorite demagogue finished in third place--behind Nancy Grace and way behind The Factor, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 7 [HIGH]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (407) | | View blog reactions

    407 Comments

    Keith's Kreepy Komrade John Dean showed up to flash his shark teeth. He gives me the willies.

    Wish Olbywan a happy birthday. Tomorrow he will be 50 minus 2 - older than Wayne Gretzky.

    ok,just taking a poll here..is Keithy more giddy about interviewing Hillary or gloating about Chuck Hagel ?

    The great Olbsession continues - BOR as WPITW.

    Olbermann offers no new info. He's a lackey for Shrillery! If I were a Leftist I wouldn't give him legitimacy!

    Bill O' Reilly should be the worst person in the world just for his schtick. Bill O' Reilly pretends to be a moderate independant when we all really know he is just another obvious characture of the usual conservative loser. He tries to cover it all up with his yapping. It does not fool me! :-)

    Olbermann is a paranoid jerk. He's a hack!

    "Bill O' Reilly pretends to be a moderate independant when we all really know he is just an"

    He doesn't pretend to be a "news anchor" hosting a "news show".

    He tells his listeners that he gives news commentary or opinion.

    Who is really doing the pretending here?

    Keith Olbermann is not affraid of Bill O' Reilly. He just loves pointing out the truth about this guy. That he is a fraud. A FOX fraud. The worst kind.

    Bill O' Reilly should be the worst person in the world just for his schtick. Bill O' Reilly pretends to be a moderate independant when we all really know he is just another obvious characture of the usual conservative loser. He tries to cover it all up with his yapping. It does not fool me! :-)
    =================================================

    Actually, to be fair, in a magazine interview O'Reily said he had always held more conservative views. He doesn't pretend to be moderate, he just pretends to be right.

    don't get me wrong, i dont care for Bill-O either, but at least he has admitted to what he is. Keith thinks we're all stupid and will believe him when he says hes neutral. He insults the intelligence of both you and me.

    It would not be hard to insult the intelligence of you (by a sliding scale... )

    There's nothing wrong with opinion shows, everyone is entitled to them, so long as they are labeled as such. There is something unsettling about combining the op-ed page with the front page and passing it off as fact (and that goes for either side of the political spectrum). I really wish Olberman would drop the whole "countdown of the top five stories" thing and just call his show "news talk with Keith Olbermann" or something. Some might call it semantics, but i think if something is not clearly labled as what it is, it becomes a dangerous form of propaganda.

    I agree with you there in the sense that his news stories tend to lead up to a celebrity dish rag. Pretty lame.

    Poor Keith; our favorite demagogue finished in third place--behind Nancy Grace

    ------------------------------------------------

    What did Nancy Grace do to become second place ? Burn money, again? Yell at someone into suicidal impulses? Raise the names of ever registered sex offendor in a community ?!?

    What did Nancy Grace do to become second place ? Burn money, again? Yell at someone into suicidal impulses? Raise the names of ever registered sex offendor in a community ?!?
    ==================================================

    good points. Soooo what does it say when that kind of stuff beats Olbermann.

    "Burn money, again? Yell at someone into suicidal impulses? Raise the names of ever registered sex offendor in a community ?!?"

    Or perhaps give a hysterical, dishonest monologue about how America is turning into a fascist, Orwellian, Nixonian, McCarthyite dictatorship?

    Something along those lines?

    "Bill O' Reilly pretends to be a moderate independant when we all really know he is just an"
    He doesn't pretend to be a "news anchor" hosting a "news show".
    He tells his listeners that he gives news commentary or opinion.
    Who is really doing the pretending here?
    Posted by: Ohboy at January 26, 2007 9:00 PM"

    Who is doing the pretending? You are. You pretend to know the difference between a media whore who gets an audience the same way Hannity does, he appeals to the lazy and ignorant minded masses with "activist judges who let...off." And a guy given the job by MSNBC execs to slam the evangelically elected pimps and whores of the far right Christian wacko wing of the Republican party.

    Say good by to the wing nuts who pimp Jesus for a living - Keith Olbermann is in town. (Image: "whoosh" sound over the barrel of a smoking gun.)

    "Say good by to the wing nuts who pimp Jesus for a living "

    Can anyone here please translate that into adult English?

    Even semi-adult English? Let's say, third grade?

    Or perhaps give a hysterical, dishonest monologue about how America is turning into a fascist, Orwellian, Nixonian, McCarthyite dictatorship?

    Something along those lines?

    Posted by: Ohboy at January 26, 2007 9:17 PM

    =============================================

    Nancy Grace did that? Maybe one of her favorite attorneys were let go or something ?

    "Nancy Grace did that? Maybe one of her favorite attorneys were let go or something ?"

    Well, I agree that she's a nut.

    But, please, a KO defender should be a bit hesitant to criticize cable hosts who make over-the-top comments.

    Admittedly, an O'Reilly fan would have to be hesistant too. He can make some off-the-wall statements too.

    "Or perhaps give a hysterical, dishonest monologue about how America is turning into a fascist, Orwellian, Nixonian, McCarthyite dictatorship?
    Something along those lines?
    Posted by: Ohboy at January 26, 2007 9:17 PM"

    Ben Franklin wisely said,

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"

    You my friend, like your cohorts, are a democracy hating coward who should move to Iran if you like having "be afraid, be very afraid" as your motto to live by.

    You must have gone to school that teaches the bible over American history.

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"

    Franklin never said that, my friend.

    Franklin said: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Essential liberties. Temporary safety.

    Dramatically different from what you said he stated.


    Silly ... I do not deffend Olbermann ... he is the least engaging person on the planet ...

    Who is doing the pretending? You are. You pretend to know the difference between a media whore who gets an audience the same way Hannity does, he appeals to the lazy and ignorant minded masses with "activist judges who let...off." And a guy given the job by MSNBC execs to slam the evangelically elected pimps and whores of the far right Christian wacko wing of the Republican party.
    ==================================================

    Oh my god, are you serious. Talk about appealing to the ignorant masses, do you really think Olbermann is a pioneer on hating on Presidents. For crying out loud, this happens all the time. Hoover, Truman, Johnson, painted as evil incarnate and then later their reputation is either restored (Hoover, Johnson) or in the case of Truman who become an American hero.

    I personaly think the reason is that Americans are too prone to "group think". An idea grows and grows until it has to be ture. We get so caught up in the moment that it isn't until we can look back objectivly and relize how stupid our behavior is.

    It goes both ways too. For instance, we constanly hear how Lincoln was our greatest president over and over again. Nevermind that he was the greatest abuser of presidential power in history. (Yes, even more than Nixon or Bush). FDR was a hero, so history has glossed over that business with Japanese and German internment camps.

    So anyway to get back to my point, Olby is doing nothing new. He appeals to the mindless, those dumb enough to believe his world of absolutes, just like everyone else in his business does.

    Ben Franklin wisely said,

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
    ==========================================

    The most overused, misquoted, and meaningless statement in history. Franklin didn't say it that way and if he had, a close examination of that statement will show you that only a "free state" or anarchism can satisfy its argument.

    "Admittedly, an O'Reilly fan would have to be hesistant too. He can make some off-the-wall statements too.
    Posted by: Ohboy at January 26, 2007 9:28 PM"

    "too" are you suggesting O'lielly "can make some off-the-wall statements"? Uhhh that is understatement.

    Bill O'lielly is the biggest blow hard on television. Right up there with Hannity.

    MSNBC executives have utilized Keith Olbermanns effective style of speaking to combat the anti-democracy, anti-American FoxNews assault on this nation. News Corp's mission to dumbing down America has never had more effective agents than Hannity and O'lielly. These two blow hard cowards are the biggest enemies of democracy on cable.

    Move to Iran if you like propaganda saturated media by religious pimps and whores.

    Comic Book Store Guy (Buffalo) is here early tonight....What?...No free leftovers at POPEYE'S of KFC for you tonight?

    Well, at least we'll all be entertained by the religious bigotry that will erupt from the deep recesses of Guy's viscera! Hurrah!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    Give me an "A" ...
    =================================================

    I'll bite.

    I give you an "A".

    "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
    "==========================================
    meaningless statement in history.
    Posted by: good times at January 26, 2007 9:37 PM"

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Meaningless? I guess that is why it was forgotten long ago?

    Any argument that shows cowards as undeserving of freedom is not meaningless. This nation was not founded by pussy cowards who huddled around sellouts of freedom.

    This nation was founded one theme - liberty for all by way of separation of church and state and a constitutional democracy.

    The devils who spawned the Christian Evangelicals, have fought from the very beginning of this nation's inception to deny liberty, to combine church and state, and destroy democracy through any means they can get away with.

    Your lack of education about American history is clear.

    Move to Iran if you hate this nation and what it was founded on.

    Meaningless? I guess that is why it was forgotten long ago?

    Any argument that shows cowards as undeserving of freedom is not meaningless. This nation was not founded by pussy cowards who huddled around sellouts of freedom.

    This nation was founded one theme - liberty for all by way of separation of church and state and a constitutional democracy.

    The devils who spawned the Christian Evangelicals, have fought from the very beginning of this nation's inception to deny liberty, to combine church and state, and destroy democracy through any means they can get away with.

    Your lack of education about American history is clear.

    Move to Iran if you hate this nation and what it was founded on.
    =================================================

    Way to take my response out of context, Olbermann would be proud. That statement you mentioned is useless, because it was never said like that. "Essential liberty." Not liberty in general. As i said, YOUR pop-culture version of the statement cannot be enforced unless one resorts to anarchism.

    Anarchy honestly does not sound like such a bad idea to me. Some nation should just build a gigantic satellite in space and in all of the languages on this planet just beam out "there are no more nations." If large enough, every nation can hear the call and everybody will rise up in joy. China. Quebec. Europe. Then the aftermath ensues as all of the leaders of the world realize that there can be no stopping the people's necessity to be free from the rule of anyone.

    "The devils who spawned the Christian Evangelicals....."

    Oh boy.

    Cleanup in aisle four, someone knocked over the entire shelf of pudding. It's just everywhere.

    I think it's pudding.

    again to reiterate, the "essential liberty for security" statement as it was originaly said = good and just.

    statement as it has been said in the modern day = naive and impossible.

    Modern sucks. We should go back to the stone age.

    Anarchy honestly does not sound like such a bad idea to me. Some nation should just build a gigantic satellite in space and in all of the languages on this planet just beam out "there are no more nations." If large enough, every nation can hear the call and everybody will rise up in joy. China. Quebec. Europe. Then the aftermath ensues as all of the leaders of the world realize that there can be no stopping the people's necessity to be free from the rule of anyone.
    ==================================================

    I hope your kidding, but in the event you're not just remember that anarchy cannot exist for long. In the same way people get sick of government, they will too get sick of chaos and look to create some kind of order.

    Socrates: "Show me a greater evil than anarchy."

    Modern sucks. We should go back to the stone age.
    ===============================================

    more of a bronze age man myself.

    Okay buffalo we need you to calm down!

    Now what we want you to do is go to this site

    www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16

    Then we want you to pretend the man speaking is Olby from the not too distant future. Yes Buffalo! you are there with all your friends!

    But remember Buffalo the man speaking is really Olby and you should do what he says!!!!!

    But remember Buffalo the man speaking is really Olby and you should do what he says!!!!!

    But remember Buffalo the man speaking is really Olby and you should do what he says!!!!!

    ""I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    Posted by: cee at January 26, 2007 9:44 PM"

    Back at it again. Once more you pretend the Evangelically elected Bush regime's creation in Iraq is somehow supposed to be magically resolved now that Bush has confessed he intends to leave the mess for the next president to deal with.

    As if the Democrats can just let the monster, Iran, that Bush created with hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims, to take over the second largest oil reserve on this planet, Iraq.

    What kind of Hannity garbage talk is this? Of course the war will have to be funded. Bush spends $400 billion dollars creating this mess and Cee here wants to pretend the Dems have the choice to let Iran snatch control of Iraq. As if this an option. Only Saudi Arabia has more oil than Iraq. Why do you think Cheney took us there in the first place? WMD's?

    Typical FoxNews mumbo jumbo being pasted here like it is some brilliant deduction on Cee's part.

    Back at it again. Once more you pretend the Evangelically elected Bush regime's creation in Iraq is somehow supposed to be magically resolved now that Bush has confessed he intends to leave the mess for the next president to deal with.

    As if the Democrats can just let the monster, Iran, that Bush created with hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims, to take over the second largest oil reserve on this planet, Iraq.

    What kind of Hannity garbage talk is this? Of course the war will have to be funded. Bush spends $400 billion dollars creating this mess and Cee here wants to pretend the Dems have the choice to let Iran snatch control of Iraq. As if this an option. Only Saudi Arabia has more oil than Iraq. Why do you think Cheney took us there in the first place? WMD's?

    Typical FoxNews mumbo jumbo being pasted here like it is some brilliant deduction on Cee's part.
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    well, at least you admit that iraq must be held and stabalized at all costs, but i would be careful writing checks about the dems options. They seem quite content to leave the region to its own devices sooner than later.

    good times: Why is anarchy perceived as such a negative? Who thinks that civility comes only through some world leader barking orders at those that come from underneath, that have to work for that person's word? How do you know that there will not be peace once the governerships of the world's most powerfull and least benevolent people have finnaly came to a thankfull end.

    I think that once this game of 'do what I say' ends, the strong will be able to live satisfying and happy lives with agrarian orchards and livestock farms. The weak will live amoung the villages and inner-city domains that we have today, and all will be happy again --- no world leader(s) of any make or model making their grandiose demands.

    There is a split amoungst the anarchists of wether to still have police patrolers in the world. That should be the only question.

    "Then we want you to pretend the man speaking is Olby from the not too distant future. Yes Buffalo! you are there with all your friends!
    Posted by: puck at January 26, 2007 9:59 PM"
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    The MTV personality moniker named, Puck, is eluding to this page being where he finds friends.

    Sorry Puck, I don't need to form alliances with others to make a point. I address individuals here directly. Unlike you who speaks to a perceived peanut gallery of like minded supporters.

    This is the difference between pussy cowards and individuals with the mental capacity to stand and speak alone instead being a mere member of a group that gangs up on individuals. This is the practice of cowards on the street as well as places like this.

    A memember of group - you

    An individual - me.

    You have neither the plums or the brains to stand alone. You, like your fellow KO haters, are always here to feel like you have group to belong to.

    Pathetic!

    true anarchy means that the only thing you can't do is literaly what you physically can't do. For instanse, i can't fly. So thats out. But i can kill people, and in true anarchy, no one can tell me any different.(though the family of the victom in turn has every right to kill me.)

    This can lead to a very dangerous world of vigilante justice and gang reprisal violence. The only way to protect oneself is to join a gang or militia or another group to gain protection. The next thing you know the gang has a few rules and what you see is the beginning of warlords or city-states or small nations etc. Anarchy cannot sustain itself.

    Having a police force is not ture anarchy because to sustain a police force we would have to pay them somehow. Most likely with our goods or services. Now you have a form of taxation, the opposite of anarchy.

    "There is a split amoungst the anarchists of wether to still have police patrolers in the world. That should be the only question.

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 26, 2007 10:03 PM"

    Define "anarchy"

    Uh, Comic Book Store Guy (Buffalo).....The Democrats have a rather large leftist constituancy that wants us out of Iraq NOW and wants the funds cut off NOW to force the issue....

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2478.html

    "Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., has scheduled a hearing next Tuesday in his Judiciary Committee subcommittee to explore whether Congress has the authority to cut off funding for the U.S. military campaign in Iraq. The move comes as Congress prepares to vote on a congressional resolution opposing President Bush's escalation of the war.

    "Feingold, a fierce war critic, will force Democrats to consider an option many consider politically suicidal: denying funds to the military and U.S. soldiers to force a quicker end to the war. Democratic leaders have privately called on members to restrain from cutting off funding and focus on congressional resolutions condemning the Bush policy. The resolutions are nonbinding and therefore symbolic."

    So Guy, either put or shut-up.....the debate is OVER....people have to either support The President in helping the Iraqis secure their country or support The President's opponents (those who can only find enough strength to write a lousy toothless resolution).

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    good times: Do you even know how long the leading great anarchist society lasted for? 2 billion years!!!!! From the beginning, organisms have lived without rulership from another creature. They created oxygen and made the world we have today. Then all of the other forms of anarchistic life came and thrived here. Man clearly does not want to take that successfull model for our own benefit .

    hey cee, the guy in your quote has my brothers name, Liam. Now i've heard of three people with that name. THe third being the actor liam mckellon (sp?)

    : Being against police is not anarchy, it is megalomania. There is a difference.

    good times: Do you even know how long the leading great anarchist society lasted for? 2 billion years!!!!! From the beginning, organisms have lived without rulership from another creature. They created oxygen and made the world we have today. Then all of the other forms of anarchistic life came and thrived here. Man clearly does not want to take that successfull model for our own benefit .
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    Yes, but then one organism began to think. His tribes got much larger. Man became more self aware and began asking himself questions about his existence. This formed religion, creation-stories as well as morals, virtues, and the sense of right or wrong. Most humans dont want to live meaningless lives where the only goal is survival. WE want to be apart of something bigger than ourselves. We want to advance. We build empires and make colossal structures, we write books and make scientific advancements and it all makes us feel like we are accomplishing something.
    I know very few people who want to revert to lives of food, water, and shelter where our only concern is for ourselves and our immediate family. We like to be in large groups and care and protect one another.

    Its intertesting that Media Matters -quoting a story from the LA Times, saying that the deleted scene from Path to 911, is false and inaccurate--supposedly their source is drum roll please--Sandy Berger--yes THE Sandy Burglar-the guy stuffing National Archive docs into his pants and socks and hiding them under a construction trailer. I'm not sure which of these 3 idiots (olberloon, LA Times, or Media Matters) are the most gullible. Play Sean, PLEASE!
    by the way--does anyone know if/when Path to 911 is going to DVD?? thanks.

    We like to be in large groups and care and protect one another.

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    America protecting Iraq? Kazakstan protecting Uzbekistan? Russia protecting Ukraine? Nations do not protect one another. Not at all. Obviously...

    Being against police is not anarchy, it is megalomania. There is a difference.
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    But my query was how do they plan to sustain a police force? Do they think people will volunteer out of the goodness of their own hearts. Not likely in a anarchist society where my survival matters far above the needs of others.

    And furthermore, who will oversee the police force. Don't you know risk empowering an individual or select few with the ability to enslave the population?

    And who will the police arrest?
    Who decides what is a crime and what isn't? This is anarchy remember. Will everyone really come into agreement on a set issue of laws? But once you introduce laws, you abondon the principals of anarchy. And if you have two laws, what is to stop society from making two more. Then four more. Then a hundred more.

    Loddrico: Hell is selling the D.V.D.. Particullarly in the wing of Hell that likes to create lies and falsehoods.

    The truth hurts doesn't it Osama watch us dicker

    America protecting Iraq? Kazakstan protecting Uzbekistan? Russia protecting Ukraine? Nations do not protect one another. Not at all. Obviously...
    =================================================

    Are you serious? WE form these seperate groups to protect those within the group from those outside it. Americans protect Americans(for the most part) Russians protect Russians. Shites protect Shites. We only protect outside our group when it fits our interest.

    Do you honestly feel there is no one outside your family who you would do anything to protect even at your own expense? That can't be possible.

    I have to admit i have never met a "tear it all down" type person before. I admire that at least you defend your opinion.

    Indeed, I think that a True Utopia and Anarchy would walk hand-in-hand together. Like long lost brothers that when they have finnaly met, can not help but realize how different that they look from eachother.

    Berger can insist that the scene never happened. But in a docudrama characters get combined, time frames get compressed, etc. I'd be interested to know if a scene of that sort DID occur in real life, only not involving Berger as portrayed in the film. Perhaps Scheuer will explore that Sunday night.

    Toddrico: Hey, I thought that the Reagan documentary was pretty scandolous, as well... I do not play sides with these matters, at all.

    "well, at least you admit that iraq must be held and stabalized at all costs, but i would be careful writing checks about the dems options. They seem quite content to leave the region to its own devices sooner than later.

    Posted by: good times at January 26, 2007 10:03 PM"
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    More FoxNews garble. The Democrats have never even hinted at letting the monster, Iran, Bush created take Iraq. Most of them (Dems)were behind the invasion in the first place. It was only after Bush demonstrated no ability to lead that the attacks had to be unleashed so our fake two party system could play good-cop bad-cop and switch parties.

    The problem is the perception you have that there is a difference between Dems and Repubs. The two have the same goal - the control of oil in the region.

    Fact is that Bush has blown it. Abu Ghraib prison is just one example of how the neo-cons have wasted hundreds of billions of dollars fighting hate created by idiots like Rumsfeld who are given support from idiots like evangelicals who think Fox News is anything but total bullshit.

    Hillary Clinton most likely has already been picked to be the next president as part of phase two of the good-cop-bad-cop system of government we have. She will be the one to keep billions of dollars flooding into this hell on earth the neo-cons created. Diplomacy by Democrats is expected from other nations and as bombs are expected from Republicans. This is by design.

    When John Kerry said nothing about Bush stealing the election it was by design. No way an army of bible belt soldiers can be led to the slaughter by an east coast liberal. No, it was a total fake out. Why do you think Mccain said nothing when Rove let his dogs loose to ruin his name in the Carolina's? Mccain is too smart to be the ice breaker, Bush was perfect - a real hillbilly favorite.

    The day I learned Bush stole the first election I understood there was no way Kerry would sit by silently for without a reason.

    It was by design.

    Oil is the life blood of this planet. We couldn't gamble that religious fundamentalists would eventually take over Saudi Arabia and Kuwait then the whole region. So Iraq had to be the place to get a foot in the door.

    Bush and Cheney blew it and now there is hell to pay. What they blew was more than Iraq, they allowed for the creation of an environment that would allow Iran to become the most powerful nation in the region.

    Keystone cops.

    It is time to let the Clintons take back into the White House.

    No other way to deal with this life and death time bomb Bush and Co has left us with.

    Let me know the next time you can get perspectives like this on Faux News!

    We can never gamble that religous fundamentalists could take over here either. Evil is evil and religon is always it's vessel.

    Clearly this Buffalo is a poser or having fun at our expense. No one is that f---ing crazy.

    Had Path to 9 1 1 had put there little propagandist piece on DVD first-things-first, I think that no body would have cared on how big a lie that those people have told. Since it came out on the television, the drama really started t unfold. The same with the Reagan stuff.

    Berger can insist that the scene never happened. But in a docudrama characters get combined, time frames get compressed, etc. I'd be interested to know if a scene of that sort DID occur in real life, only not involving Berger as portrayed in the film. Perhaps Scheuer will explore that Sunday night.
    ============================================

    I don't think docudrams should be made at all. Compressing and distorting history from hundreds of years ago in movies is one thing, but if you're going to make movie about recent events that could actually influence the way people think and act, you better make damn sure everything is as accurate as possible. I don't want to see cmpression of characters or events. I want to see the truth. The regan doc and the path to 9/11 are both garbage.

    alright, i'm outta here. Nice talkin with ya'll.

    Buffalo,
    That's a stupid name. Is your real name cow?

    I'm missed Citizen Keith tonight, but he sounded like he shot an extra deplorable round of OlbyGanda.

    J$ rachetted up the volume on Krazy Keith. Love the sound effects...the ding and the dong.

    Feech Lamanna, Jr.

    Feechie: Tommorow is Heith Olbermann's birthday!

    Happy Birthday to K.O.
    He must be proud of himself....

    It's better than a twilight zone epsiode for K.O.

    Some time alone with Katy...

    I contend that control over this planet's 2nd largest oil reserves (not to mention having a handful of military bases in the heart of the Persian Gulf) is far more an important goal to our politicians than who wins the hillbilly vote.

    911 was allowed to happen, Richard Clark made that perfectly clear. The neo-cons eluded that they wanted their Pearl Harbor so they could take Iraq, also a fact.

    Hillary Clinton may kill the tax breaks for the richest Americans but she will do it at the same time she pumps billions into the Persian Gulf Region - Iraq especially.

    France and European populations as well as the whole world will see America as repenting from it's evil ways once we put Hillary (and Bill) back in the White House. Not a better way to improve the image of this nation than to have our president being hated by Evangelicals.

    The rest of the world equates a president hated by Evangelicals as a good person that can be trusted a bit more than a moron like Bush.

    All of this makes sense. As I predicted before the November elections I will do it again.

    The next president has already been picked by the powers that be. You can see it on Hillary's face. Look closely the next time you see her on TV, she knows she has it in the bag already.

    It makes perfect sense - business sense and diplomatic sense.

    Our survival depends on it. It is too bad there are no Christian leaders in this nation who are truly Christ-like. If there were we would have spent the $400 billion blown in Iraq turning the Palestinian regions of Israel into the most modern Arab society on earth.

    Where would Syria and Iran stand today if we spent all that money helping those the Islamists love to see fester????

    Instead it is always the evil of blood and bombs because on both sides religion is mixed with politics.

    Evil!

    Bicker I love man!!!!!!

    O'Reilly is a fraud?

    He had Geraldo Sandival BIG LIB SAN FRANCISCO COUNCILMAN on last night!!!

    Sandival is on a lot on O'Reilly and I'm sure a lot of libs were watching!!!

    O'Reilly has Conservatives, Liberals, Independents,and assorted wack-jobs on.

    Mind telling me when the last time Olby had a big time conservative on? If ever?

    Make that never!!!!!!

    Conclusion?

    Conservatives, Liberals, Independents, and other free thinking people watch O'Reilly!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile over at Olby. First up, ATTACK BUSH! Gee no surprise here. Richard Wolffe on for the third time this week. What was so important?

    Same people, same propaganda, Olby is becoming a very cheap imitation of Joseph Goebbels.

    So who watches Olby? Kool-aid drinking Loons and few folks looking for a good laugh.

    And the clock is ticking on his contract.

    tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock

    But O'Reilly is a fraud.

    Go ahead keep thinking only Far Right Wing Conservatives watch O'Reilly.

    Gee then how come Hannity and Commes does'nt pull over two million a night?

    In fact with Alan should'nt there be more people watching? You should have the two and a half million far right wingers along with the 500,000 that watch Olby.

    Hence, Hannity and Commes should be doing three million easy ever night.

    Oh thats right! Alan Commes does'nt follow in lock step with you guys. Whatever that means.

    Oh and Buffalo I'll agree with you on one thing.

    There ain't nobody else like you. I bet people in insaine asylums run from you!!!!!!

    The Buffalo,

    You have the dumbest name on t his site. But your an Olbermann fan!

    Keith Olbermann is a waist of time. So is Bill O' Reilly. What is the point of coming on to Bill O''s show if all you are there is to make Bill O' Reilly look good ?!?

    George Bush is a stupid Chimp looking idiot. He's stupid!

    Hello everybody! How's your evening going. Good I hope. Okay, Olbermann is a liar right? Or is he telling the truth. I'm confused. help!

    MTV Puck Wrote:
    "There ain't nobody else like you. I bet people in insaine asylums run from you!!!!!!"

    This from a guy who is fixated on a man with a group others who are also fixated on the same man.

    Is this man significant in the world of news? One would think so the way these numb nuts go on about him like he was an ex they love to hate.

    You have no clue how this world works if you think any cable news outlet tells this nation the truth about the motives of our politicians.

    It is all a game to keep sheep like you marching along.

    Try Googling "What News Corp owns" and review the vast amount of media they own across this planet and then try to fit your pea brained perceptions about one man on TV less than an hour a night.

    You really think this one man is so significant that he can solicit such attention from great minds like you and yours????

    The one delusion feeds the other!

    You're a pea brained idiot.


    How simple is your profession if you can not even figure out that Keith Olbermann is a liar?!? A button pusher ?!?

    Hello everybody! How's your evening going. Good I hope. Okay, Olbermann is a liar right? Or is he telling the truth. I'm confused. help!

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 26, 2007 11:18 PM

    This is the last place to come if you want the 'truth' about Olbermann.

    This site is all about a bunch of idiot conservatives who hate and fear Olbermann who argue with a bunch of liberal ideologues who never really defend Olbermann, just make the conservatives look as stupid as they are.

    It is interesting to keep seeing Billo's and Olby's shows compared so often on this board. I say you are comparing apples and oranges. The only thing they have in common is that they are both largely opinion shows, regardless of what either pundit calls themself.

    That said, there is really nothing else in common, and neither show is really an alternative for the other. It not a case of one show being 'liberal' and the other one 'conservative' either.

    I have watched many of O'Reilly's shows in which he doesn't even touch on politics for the entire show. Instead, he spends huge amounts of time discussing things like the so called "war on Christians', "the Duke Rape case, and of course, the "culture war. I admit he has apparently done some good regarding child abuse cases and getting tougher on the abusers.

    Olbermann, on the other hand, often spends 1/2 to 3/4 of his show on politics and the war, something O'Reilly almost never does.

    Bottom line...comparing the two shows is pointless in my view!

    "George Bush is a stupid Chimp looking idiot. He's stupid!

    Posted by: The Buffalo at January 26, 2007 11:14 PM"

    You can really tell when you are breaking down your foes when they resort to posting shit in your name.

    Redwolf has admitted to doing this and I wouldn't put it past Puck or any of the other seventh graders here tonight.

    hello Buffalo. Are you Pro-Olbermann. If you are, what's great about him that people hate on him. He must have something going if there's a site dedicated to bashing him!

    No name: I have a response for you over in the peacock messageboard.

    Jason M.: How simple is your work and life if you can not figure out how over the top Keith Olbermann is with his lies and ego* ?!?

    * hint !

    Obama,
    What's your opinion of Olbermann?

    of all the people worthy of your scorn in the world, that you pick Ko, makes you all look like jerkoffs.

    Jason: I tried to defend Keith Olbermann in the beginning ... but then I realized what a h8 full person he is ...

    Obama,
    What's your opinion of Olbermann?

    I just gave you an opinion !!! Man !!! Sheesh !

    "Same people, same propaganda, Olby is becoming a very cheap imitation of Joseph Goebbels."

    Pucks world view leaves much to the imagination.
    Propaganda!
    Specify what propaganda ?
    You can't.
    The news is so bad for your boys, Puckerroo, so you vent on the messenger.
    Everything that was said on tonite's show was accurate, much to your dismay.

    Puck's an idiot.

    "hello Buffalo. Are you Pro-Olbermann. If you are, what's great about him that people hate on him. He must have something going if there's a site dedicated to bashing him!

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 26, 2007 11:28 PM"

    To you and Mike, This sight is all about Bill O'rielly and Fox News.

    Kieth Olbermann was once an employee of Fox and MCNBC took him in to compete with Fox for viewers.

    This sight came about purely out of the effectiveness that Keith had on our nation's perspective of the hillbilly brand of the Republican party.

    Frist, Delay, Santorum and many others gone or demoted do to a great degree from MSNBC having enough of the debacle in Iraq.

    Bush and the hillbillies who support him took a post 911 planet wide sympathy for American and turned it into hate for America. Today Iran is more powerful than ever because of what the neo-cons have done.

    FoxNews is 100% behind the Evangelical hillbilly wing neo-con zealots and Keith Olbermann became their largest vocal foe.

    Keith played a huge role in taking down the culture of the Klan from our political process.

    These people who love to hate are what I call the spawn of the Klan.

    As cowards nothing they love more than ganging up one man as group.

    That is what this sight is all about.

    Nice to hear Keith talk about that famous deleted scene from the ABC movie showing the inaction of the Clinton Administration to take out Osama Bin Laden when they had the chance. Pure fiction from a right wing nut job, eh Keith? Well, not entirely. Sure, we don't know exactly who said what or what every detail was. But the main point is that the Clinton Administration did find Osama Bin Laden. The video is on YouTube. But for whatever reason, they didn't want to push the small red button that would have killed him. And ofcourse, Osama lived on to cause all kinds of damage. Including 9/11.

    Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor,
    I clicked it twice. My apologies. So Olbermann was good at one time. He was funny on Sports Center back in the mid 90's. That was great time in my life. It's sad if he's turned into a spokes person.

    of all the people worthy of your scorn in the world, that you pick Ko, makes you all look like jerkoffs.

    Posted by: The Decider at January 26, 2007 11:32 PM"

    Finally my brother makes it to this page.

    Never spoken more eloquently!

    Olbermann has every right to use low-humor to deflate those he disagrees with. The people that Olbermann targets are verbal bullies that are rarely, if ever, rebutted with their own tactics. Olbermann is demonstrating how they are "all bark and no bite" by assailing them with sarcasm.

    In the end, if you don't like the show then change the channel. Before you do, however, remember that trying to "elevate" discourse to a more civilized level is why the right in this country is able to shout their lies so loud that people believe them. Your position will never be appreciated unless you defend it.

    Buffalo,You're full of hate. What happened in your life that you hate Conservatives?

    I like the show and Olbermann, but it does get a little fluffy at times. Certain guest are great (Fineman is particularly good and doesn't just rubber stamp Keith's sometimes softball questions or blanket statements), but others (sorry Musto, i just don't get you...) are less so.
    Still, where else can you turn to hear even a remotely truthful version of what the hell is going on? Glenn Beck?

    Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor,
    I clicked it twice. My apologies. So Olbermann was good at one time. He was funny on Sports Center back in the mid 90's. That was great time in my life. It's sad if he's turned into a spokes person.

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 26, 2007 11:41 PM

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    What was so great in "that time" of your life ?!?

    I love Keith's 'Worst Person' segment for one main reason: Nobody ever calls O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Kristol, Malkin, Coulter, or any of the rest of the neocon butt-kissing McCarthyites on their crap publicly. Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, none of the so-called 'serious media' fact-check these troglodytes. Besides the left-leaning blog Media Matters; no American audience hears the truth about these people or the facts that repudiate their lies. I personally think Keith's 'Worst People' segment is a public service.

    You may not like his 'smarmy' or the fact your precious 'serious news' is a thing of the past (get in line for that one) but do not write off this particular segment just as silly competition-baiting; it serves the public well.

    For the first time since I can remember, CNN debunked the slanderous swill foisted by Fox about Barack Obama's schooling. I think Keith's program may just be the catalyst for something we've long needed in news; fact-checking and accountability. While Fox may be entitled to it's opinions, it's not entitled to fabricate slanderous facts.

    Marie; You can not possibly think that Keith Olbermann is truthfull AND Glenn Beck truthfull @ the same exact time ?!?! It is impossible. They conflict !!!

    "The video is on YouTube. But for whatever reason, they didn't want to push the small red button that would have killed him. And of course, Osama lived on to cause all kinds of damage. Including 9/11.

    Posted by: James at January 26, 2007 11:41 PM"

    Some reason? How about the "wage the dog" crying Gingrich Republicans who rode Clinton's ass on everything he did. These same Republicans fought tooth and nail to stop Clinton from saving 800,000 Muslims being ethnically cleansed or frozen to death in the mountains by Serbs. Clinton did save them and put an end to a blood bath.

    These same Republicans spent $70 million of our tax dollars chasing Clinton's dick all over the place instead of acting as a congress and making dam sure Bin Laden was rounded up and killed.

    But I digress. Neither the Repubs or the Dems wanted Bin Laden Killed, they needed him to attack this nation so they could take Iraq. And they did just that.

    Both parties did this.

    But you won't learn this on CNN MSNBC or Fox.

    The mid 90's was when Hip Hop was ta it's peak. great artists like:
    Group Home
    Mobb Deep
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    That was the golden age of Rap

    Georgia Peach: Accolades to you for accurately using mini-quotation marks. Very nicely done. A sincere hooray!

    "While Fox may be entitled to it's opinions, it's not entitled to fabricate slanderous facts.

    Posted by: georgia peach at January 26, 2007 11:50 PM"

    A breath of fresh air. Nothing better than a ripe Georgia peach on a hot sweaty day.

    Fox News and slander are synonyms

    Buffalo,You're full of hate. What happened in your life that you hate Conservatives?

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 26, 2007 11:45 PM

    I'm not Buffalo, but I'd love to answer your question.

    "What happened in your life that you hate Conservatives?"

    We've seen them spit on the lower and middle classes.
    We've seen them run up a deficit and debt that our children will be saddled with.
    We've seen them take us into a war we can't win and we can't get out of.
    We've seen the GOP Congress totally neglect their jobs and not offer the least bit of oversight to this administration.

    You need to ask such a stupid question after living thru the last 6 years of these guys ?

    That was the golden age of Rap

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 26, 2007 11:51 PM

    Talking about the golden age of rap is like talking about the golden age of syphillis.

    We've seen them spit on the lower and middle classes.
    We've seen them run up a deficit and debt that our children will be saddled with.
    We've seen them take us into a war we can't win and we can't get out of.
    We've seen the GOP Congress totally neglect their jobs and not offer the least bit of oversight to this administration.

    You need to ask such a stupid question after living thru the last 6 years of these guys ?

    Posted by: Ain't buying it at January 26, 2007 11:58 PM

    That should be enough for most people to never vote for a republican again. The fact is that they have shown themselves to be the frauds I always knew they were.

    Marie; You can not possibly think that Keith Olbermann is truthfull AND Glenn Beck truthfull @ the same exact time ?!?! It is impossible. They conflict !!!

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 26, 2007 11:50 PM

    Did you flunk reading comprehension in school.
    I made myself clear that you CAN'T get the truth from a person like Glen Beck.
    It's called sarcasm !

    Here, read it again:

    "Still, where else can you turn to hear even a remotely truthful version of what the hell is going on? Glenn Beck?"

    Okay.

    That should be enough for most people to never vote for a republican again. The fact is that they have shown themselves to be the frauds I always knew they were.

    Posted by: codas at January 27, 2007 12:04 AM

    There are a lot of people in this country thinking that for 08'.
    The only good thing about thier 8 year reign of crime and fear, is that they have put the noose around their own necks.( Nov 06') and then the bottom will drop out and strangling will begin...in 08'.

    " ": You want the republicans to fail furtherly ? You are shamefull !

    nite nite to all you big bad republican hypocrites.
    Hot liberal gals just love to make fun of the you Cro Magnon men with your little penises and even smaller brains.

    "Talking about the golden age of rap is like talking about the golden age of syphillis."

    In the Clan of the Cave Bear a man would put up on his head the fur coat and head of the bear or the wolf and dance around the fire.

    "Fear me the way you fear the bear" was his message.

    In the modern world young white boys from Nebraska corn fields to the suburbs of every major city were scared shitless as they began to take in the news reports of inner city black youth involved in gangs.

    The combination of needing to quell their fears by emulating that which they feared and the marketing of the music sprang an entire genration of pussies who pretend to black because they live in ignorance and fear.

    This is what rap music is about today from the white side of the equation.

    From the black side it is an expression of who and what they are living in the inner city projects through out this nation.

    Today it is so far out of hand that many if not most middle class African Americans see this whole culture as a pathetic joke gown way too far.

    Weird Al's Nerdy White Boy sums it nicely

    Buffalo,

    Come here, Honey. I got your little orange pill ready for you. It's time, Little Buffalo. You know what I mean. It's time to perform your lobotomy. That's a good thing! After it is over, you will be so happy and docile. You will feel no pain. And your fellow humans won't be pained by having you around anymore.

    George is that you?

    "" ": You want the republicans to fail furtherly ? You are shamefull !

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 27, 2007 12:11 AM"

    "Farther" numb nuts

    I do not want the republicans to fail. I would like a two party system, or more parties perhaps, where they all regulate eachother's problems and balance eachother out. Next, seeing as how both sides have children to feed and lives to lead and views to express, I nor they would want death for the party. I for one am glad for the Liberal successes that they have had recently, but the opposition party has to stay dynamic as well! Annimosity towards nobody. Besides, the republicans are not so bad. Neither is the war in Iraq.

    O'Reilly, although a blow-hard, has the courage to engage politico's from across the spectrum. KrazyKeef, with the blessings of you'all that love him, has guests that range in opinion from A to B. Sad , sad, sad.

    Little Buffalo,

    Please come back now or all hope is lost. Now you have revealed, in bizarre fashion, some kind of fettish for Eminem. True life is stranger than fiction. The only hope: your lobotomy.

    Little Buffalo,

    Please come back now or all hope is lost. Now you have revealed, in bizarre fashion, some kind of fettish for Eminem. True life is stranger than fiction. The only hope: your lobotomy.

    Nurse Rachet is Brandon ?!?! I'm scared ! G'night and vote for Obama in 2008 !

    "Besides, the republicans are not so bad. Neither is the war in Iraq."

    ((((((Quote of the year)))))), for the delusional and the truly delusional !

    You might as well said,famine and pestilence isn't so bad either.

    "O'Reilly, although a blow-hard, has the courage to engage politico's from across the spectrum."

    No he doesn't. He's a bully and only has liberals on to feign non partisanship.

    speaking of delusional, where is our sweet demented little Cecilia tonight?

    Out chewing the heads off newborn babies and drinking their blood ?

    burp...

    I enjoyed Wolf Blitzer's non interview with Dick Cheney the other day.

    There's problems" in Iraq, Cheney told CNN's Blitzer, but it is not a "terrible situation."

    Really?

    Only the day before, Bush's choice to lead the troops in Iraq, Army Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, said the "situation in Iraq is dire." Is he wrong, too? Congressional opposition "won't stop us" from sending 21,500 more troops, but will only "validate the terrorists' strategy."

    That was just the sort of conclusion respected Republican Sen. John Warner cautioned against, at Petraeus' confirmation hearing.

    Cheney's own lesbian daughter may be having a child, but that presumably has nothing to do with the consistently anti-gay policies pursued by this administration, which leave other women and their children in the same situation with no protection of their fundamental rights.

    The personal is not political when Dick Cheney's blatant hypocrisy is at issue. If this administration were not so hostile to gay rights, no one would care about his daughter. But Dick Cheney is smart like a fox. He would rather polarize the country than face his own mistakes. He would rather have Americans yelling at each other than accept legitimate criticism.

    He isn't running for anything, so what does he care?

    The question is: Is the president listening? At some point, he needs to decide that he's heard enough from the man who has, more than any other, destroyed his presidency.

    Finally something Cecilia can relate to.

    Chuck Hagel:" President Bush said he's not going to listen to the Congress.I've never heard a president say that again."

    We've never had a president like George Bush before, Chuck.

    No he doesn't. He's a bully and only has liberals on to feign non partisanship.

    Posted by: Ain't buying it at January 27, 2007 12:30 AM

    Exactly right. But this is about KO having no guests who dispute him. That would be because MSNBC execs won't allow KO to do so. This says nothing about KO's ability to take on those who would challenge him.

    The long and short is none of this means a dam thing. KO is one of many faces on our TV. The only reason KO is singled out is because he has been effective in slamming the Christian right for being wrong in who they vote for and stand behind. These are the people that come here and cry like babies that KO has exposed the outrageous gullibility of them all.

    Keith does this without really bringing up evangelicals at all. Instead he attacks Fox and Bush and they all know this to be end and the means of what they are and what they stand for.

    Chuck Hagel:" President Bush said he's not going to listen to the Congress.I've never heard a president say that BEFORE." My bad.

    Concerning the Cheney interview, the only time I knew Cheney wasn't lying when he responded " No comment, I 'm not going to answer that, etc."

    John Stewart on the Daily Show last night did a hilarious piece on the Cheney interview on CNN with Blitzer

    4 Troops Abducted, Killed in Iraq Attack
    By STEVEN R. HURST and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers

    3 hours ago

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - In perhaps the boldest and most sophisticated attack in four years of warfare, gunmen speaking English, wearing U.S. military uniforms and carrying American weapons abducted four U.S. soldiers last week at the provincial headquarters in the Shiite holy city of Karbala and then shot them to death.

    Wonder what is worse. Cecilia drinking babies' blood or her stating that she supports what happened in Iraq ( above) to continue.

    Buffalo,
    I grew up in Yonkers. I lived around the Hip Hop scene. I've been into since 87. That's when Eric B. and Rakim came out with Paid in Full.
    Bufallo, why are you full of hate?

    I saw that Buffalo, with the Darth Vader inpression.

    Stewart just keeps on amazing me every single show.

    And Colbert is not far behind, in a totally different concept.

    Buffalo, can't we be civil with each other. I like Olbermann. He was a funny sports caster. I like him know. he stands up to Bush!


    "I grew up in Yonkers. I lived around the Hip Hop scene. I've been into since 87."

    My condolences to you Jason.

    What's wrong with rap. It's an expression of Urban youth. You're over the hill so you wouldn't understand.

    Hey Jason, instead of listening to that non musical crap, try some Miles or Coltrane.

    Scarborough, Tucker, and Matthews all air guests who express both sides of a topic. That's standard news show stuff and it's especially important if the host is making a specific charge against a person or group.

    There's no indication that MSNBC would do anything to prevent Olbermann from doing that. That's the reason Olbermann is "singled out" for being the one-trick pony that he is.

    You can point at every opponent here and willy nilly accuse them of being a Fox fan, but the truth is that you sit here spinning for a guy who is the essence of all you criticise in another network when it comes to bias.

    That's specially ironic because Fox shows air liberal and conservative debate.

    Look, it'y music. I grwe up to it. don't critice what yo don't understand.

    Look, it'y music. I grwe up to it. don't critice what yo don't understand.

    Posted by: Jason M. Hendler at January 27, 2007 12:58 AM

    I don't understand your gibberish either.

    "I think Keith's program may just be the catalyst for something we've long needed in news; fact-checking and accountability."

    Fact checking and accountability? Yeah right. He does his "fact checking" on liberal websites. Then he bashes other networks for quoting those very websites. As far as accountability goes, I don't remember Keith ever apologizing for any of his many lies, distortions, and fabrications.

    "That's specially ironic because Fox shows air liberal and conservative debate."

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    You mean like when Hannity will berate a liberal guest and then when the guest begins to speak, he'll cut him off again, or they cut to a commercial ?

    That kind of debate ?

    As far as accountability goes, I don't remember Keith ever apologizing for any of his many lies, distortions, and fabrications.

    Posted by: Shellback Steve at January 27, 2007 1:06 AM

    Hey Shellshock Steve:The only lies are in your head, the ones that keep telling you "We're winning the war in Iraq, Bush is a good president,republicans aren't corrupt"

    I grew up in 4 miles from Emeniem or what ever his name is.

    I grew up a few miles from what was called the "murder capital" of America in the 60's and 70's.

    I know what I am talking about. I am old enough to know what it means to be "cool" as in having it rub off onto you. "it" meaning being cool.

    The African American culture of this nation has contributed a huge piece of all of our collective soul.

    But the white boy street version of cool is all about being in a gang. It is all about cowardice in the face of a threat and turning tail tucked in right into the protective arms of their "gang".

    I know what it means to be a young man and the world being a scary place to have to be on your own in. But I also know the despicable nature of men who act bold and ignorant because they have their group behind them.

    When I was a boy our fathers taught us all to fight each other with honor.

    No ganging up, no kicking in the balls, and no weapons.

    Today every punk on the street acts like he is a projects kid with the blasting bass speakers shaking the whole neighborhood while driving in a BMW his parents bought him. They have the "I fear no one" attitude like murders who sell crack when they actually live up the hill from me.

    No this whole hip-hip culture is about cowardice.

    The music? much of it I like. I was born into and raised up with Motown music, of all the music I love, black inner-city music is right up there on top.

    I live in a college town and see rich white kids who are all about wearing the skin of what they aren't. Fake phony cowards who drive from campus to their half million dollar homes blasting gang-banging rap through my house like they own the streets. They do this at 8 AM or 3 AM. Why? Because their fathers worked rather than raised them. They all come from homes with absent fathers. Poor or rich. The blasting of bass is all about "look at me, I'm on the scene". Kind of like a dog peeing on the corners of his territory,claiming it as his own.

    The whole hip hop culture is a bleak period in our history!

    Cecilia thinks there is liberal and conservative debate on Fox.

    Liberal guests are only props for the right wing hosts to shout them down and cut them off.

    And they make sure to usually get the most wimpy liberal guests they can find.
    Just the fact that they have a blowhard alpha male like Sena Hannity matched up with the spineless Alan Colmes is all you should need to know.
    Al Franken had the best characterization of this show when he called in HANNITY AND colmes.

    That's specially ironic because Fox shows air liberal and conservative debate."

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    You mean like when Hannity will berate a liberal guest and then when the guest begins to speak, he'll cut him off again, or they cut to a commercial ?

    That kind of debate ?

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 27, 2007 1:07 AM

    That's such a strawman. The man does have a liberal co-host who can ask questions of both guests, does he not?

    These shows are on five nights a week, there are plenty of opportunites for people to get a word in edgewise...to put it in the worst light possible...

    Scarborough and Tucker don't berate guests. Matthews takes them to task, but to imply that Olbermann not airing contrary opinion is somehow excused by some other host's boorishness is assinine.

    The reality is if Fox News hosts were all slamming the right, they'd be the sacred cow you've made Olbermann and you'd be accusing all your opponents here of watching MSNBC in their sleep...

    I think Buffalo used too many words for Jason to finish.
    Probably back with his headphones on blasting something about bustin a cap in that ho's ass.

    Cecilia thinks there is liberal and conservative debate on Fox.

    Liberal guests are only props for the right wing hosts to shout them down and cut them off.

    And they make sure to usually get the most wimpy liberal guests they can find.
    Just the fact that they have a blowhard alpha male like Sena Hannity matched up with the spineless Alan Colmes is all you should need to know.
    Al Franken had the best characterization of this show when he called in HANNITY AND colmes.

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 27, 2007 1:17 AM


    Let me get this straight-- Olbermann can't air guests with contrary opinions, especially guests, defending themselves from his charges, because some Fox host is rude?

    That's specially ironic because Fox shows air liberal and conservative debate.
    Posted by: Cecelia at January 27, 2007 12:57 AM

    It could be that MSNBC don't Keith can do well with debate. Could be, but who gives a shit?

    Fact is the whole significance you and your brethren give him is not that he won't debate. It is what he says that got him noticed. Debate it here if you like. Go ahead and tell us all the last November 6th Olbermann was all wrong and the Republicans were going to hold onto power.

    Debate him here if you will, tell us all how $400billion could not have been better spent "nation building" in Iraq. Tell us Abu Grieve (spelling) was not a total disaster for us and our soldiers fighting their. Tell us how Keith was wrong for blasting Rumsfeld for being an blind fool who fails to listen to his general. Tell us all how Cheney, Bush and Wolfowitz are not all chicken hawks who could care less about poor people who joined up to make ends meet.

    Just what is it that Keith Olbermann is so off about? Are telling us that John McCain was not a better candidate for the evangelicals to elect????

    Let me get this straight-- Olbermann can't air guests with contrary opinions, especially guests, defending themselves from his charges, because some Fox host is rude?

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 27, 2007 1:22 AM

    you can't anything straight Cecilia. Fox has nothing to do with MSNBC.
    Keith's show is his format and it works for him and many others,and Fox has their schtick.

    Scarborough has guests on from the right and left, but even the right is now agreeing with the left because your boys have failed so miserably.

    Just like all these world summits on global warming.( like the one going on now) How come you don't find anyone who thinks like you , who come to these summits and present why think man isn't creating climate change ?

    The anti global warming people are embarrassed to speak their views out in public. They'll hide under the cover of a right wing blog or web site.

    yes I know I changed the subject. It's called an analogy...and it fits.

    If there was ever a slam dunk about who is right and who is wrong...
    On the two issues of global warming and the war in Iraq, it's no contest.
    The right is definitely and not even close to being right.

    Time for some beauty rest.

    Fact is the whole significance you and your brethren give him is not that he won't debate. It is what he says that got him noticed. Debate it here if you like. Go ahead and tell us all the last November 6th Olbermann was all wrong and the Republicans were going to hold onto power.

    Debate him here if you will, tell us all how $400billion could not have been better spent "nation building" in Iraq. Tell us Abu Grieve (spelling) was not a total disaster for us and our soldiers fighting their. Tell us how Keith was wrong for blasting Rumsfeld for being an blind fool who fails to listen to his general. Tell us all how Cheney, Bush and Wolfowitz are not all chicken hawks who could care less about poor people who joined up to make ends meet.

    Just what is it that Keith Olbermann is so off about? Are telling us that John McCain was not a better candidate for the evangelicals to elect????

    --------------------------------------------

    Yeah, Buffalo, that should be the standard for not allowing a contrary opinion on the air. The fact that you don't agree with it.

    You and Olbermann think McCain is the best candidate and the evangelicals should back him? Why bother to let one of them articulate their views.

    Olbermann devotes six shows to the premise that James Dobson castigated a cartoon figure when Dobson says he did not? Why bother to have him on to tell his side or to be confronted.

    Why bother to let any of the people he's accused tell their story and let others make up their minds.

    Well, you've got what you want. You've got a one-trick pony who openly distains the sort of give-and-take that you enjoy here on this site where you park your butt and blast the host here.

    The only question that should be asked is why anyone, especially me, would expect for one minute that you'd have any sort of insight into that irony.


    Bushkill,

    So you've gone from mentioning mean ole rude Hannity as a foil for the fact that other shows air all sides of an issue...to now saying that Fox has nothing to do with the subject...other shows have Keith's format (name one)...and you can't get some folks to come on anyway because they're embarrassed by their own views.

    All this for something you'd call biased crap were your ears not tickled.

    Lot of loons out tonight " I like the show and Olbermann, but it does get a little fluffy at times. Certain guest are great (Fineman is particularly good and doesn't just rubber stamp Keith's sometimes softball questions or blanket statements), but others (sorry Musto, i just don't get you...) are less so.
    Still, where else can you turn to hear even a remotely truthful version of what the hell is going on? Glenn Beck? "
    Posted by: Marie at January 26, 2007 11:47 PM
    Well gee Marie, yeah. One of the things Beck repeats over and over is that he is a CONSERVATIVE and is just giving his OPINION. Therefore when you watch his show you know what you are getting and from what point of view. But your idol KO says he is NON-PARTISON and a JOURNALIST with a NEWS SHOW. If he was honest like Beck there would be no Olberman Watch .You people are deluded when you say we just want to attack his message. I dont think anyone here gives a crap what he says , just the dishonest way he presents himself.
    "O'Reilly, although a blow-hard, has the courage to engage politico's from across the spectrum."

    " No he doesn't. He's a bully and only has liberals on to feign non partisanship. "

    " Exactly right. But this is about KO having no guests who dispute him. That would be because MSNBC execs won't allow KO to do so. This says nothing about KO's ability to take on those who would challenge him. "
    Posted by: The Buffalo at January 27, 2007 12:42 AM
    First of all O'reilly can be a bully at times but the reason he has liberals and anyone else who has a different take to his, is to give their side of the story. I am just amazed how many times people here compare BO to KO. KO can claim any freaking thing.Then bring on someone who agrees . And what does that prove ? You dont hear any other side to the story. You can disagree with anything BO says but at least he shows the other side. Then you claim MSNBC wont let KO do it and that does'nt mean he cant. WHAT ? I dont know where you dreamt that up but if MSNBC wont let him, there must be a reason. And that shows EVERYTHING about his " ability " because he has never had any or shown he can debate a guest with another view.
    " Cecilia thinks there is liberal and conservative debate on Fox.

    Liberal guests are only props for the right wing hosts to shout them down and cut them off.

    And they make sure to usually get the most wimpy liberal guests they can find."
    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 27, 2007 1:17 AM
    That's because all Liberals are wimpy. Why dont you name the tough Liberals you want to see and I bet most all have been on FOX. You obviously hate FOX and and dont watch so how could you know all the Libs they have had on. Just some KO spin.
    " Just like all these world summits on global warming.( like the one going on now) How come you don't find anyone who thinks like you , who come to these summits and present why think man isn't creating climate change ? "

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 27, 2007 1:30 AM
    Most people are not saying that there is no global warming . Some people just dont like the KO way they are doing it. Like giving their side and not wanting anyone to dispute it. And after their warning in the 70's about global cooling you or at least reasonable people can see why we should hear all sides. But the real difference is the part where man is creating it. Some say it's natural. Others say it is many things not just man. And others argue that man is part of the cause but very minimal compared to other factors involved .And then there are some who say that even if we tried to do something it would be like a terminal cancer patient eating chicken soup to combat the desease.

    "Keith thinks we're all stupid and will believe him when he says hes neutral. He insults the intelligence of both you and me."

    When has Olbermann ever claimed to be neutral? He tells us exactly where he stands...Bill-O, is the one who keeps claiming neutrality despite his rare admission to holding more conservative views.

    Bushkill,

    So you've gone from mentioning mean ole rude Hannity as a foil for the fact that other shows air all sides of an issue...to now saying that Fox has nothing to do with the subject...other shows have Keith's format (name one)...and you can't get some folks to come on anyway because they're embarrassed by their own views.

    All this for something you'd call biased crap were your ears not tickled.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 27, 2007 2:14 AM


    No, no and no.

    Your post contains so many examples of your penchance for tortured logic that my head was spining when I read your comment.

    I wouldn't even know where to start in correcting your post.My Saturday is too precious to spend the time it would take to do it.

    Rosie (Bushkill) just lies....


    Two simple questions that easily answers the crazed Rosie....

    Has Keith Olbermann ever interviewed Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice or any other target of his unsubstantiated accusations?

    The answer is no.

    Has Bill O'Reilly or Chris Wallace (two FOX personalities unprofessionally attacked by Olbermann) interviewed Bill Clinton, Senator Kennedy, Charlie Rangel, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and many other like-minded lefty ideologues many would suggest would be the targets of bad ol' conservative FOX?

    The answer is yes. Oh....I think these very savvy and well-spoken liberals handled themselves well against the aggressive styles of BillO and The Monkey (Olbermann's anti-Semetic label for Mr. Wallace).

    Please try lying somewhere else about who is really bias and who at least allows rebuttal and argument.

    BTW, I hope you are spending your Saturday protesting the horrific war, Rosie! Afterall, 80% of the American people want us out of Iraq and I would expect a huge turn-out for that DC protest today....you included!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    I've also noticed that about Cecelia. She is the master at twisting a simple cogent idea into a tangled web of confusion that makes the reader just shake their head and wonder why you read her in the first place.

    I spoke very clearly, but as usual the logic challenged Cee and Cecilia get very confused.

    I said that KO has his own format that works for him and many others.
    You all cry foul because he doesn't have some brain dead right wing talking heads on his show.

    So what ?

    What he does have ARE articulate respected journalists that don't buy the same garbage Cee and Cecilia croak out on this site every single day.

    And I applaud him on that.

    We all know the White House talking points( it's the exact same ones as Fox)They have been repudiated by reality.
    The Holy Cee keeps forgetting that Bush has been wrong with everything he has attempted in foreign policy or domestic policy.
    There aren't a whole lot of people willing to come on TV to try to disprove these obvious points, except the ones with their own shows.(Most of them are on Fox)

    And, isn't it funny that you put your total faith in Gen Petreas fixing this unfixable mess, when he has already come out and said the situation in Iraq is "dire."

    And who are you, the Holy Cee, to tell me what to do with my weekend ?

    Go f--- yourself, and your lame crippled horse you rode into town with.

    "When has Olbermann ever claimed to be neutral?"

    Holy moly, guacamole.

    In every interview that he has done that I've seen or read - e.g., with Brian Lamb on C-Span et al. - Olbermann has stated that he is a non-partisan and doesn't care who wins elections. He claims to have no agenda and have no interest in the horse race aspect of politics.

    And the show is advertised as a "news program" with "news anchor" Keith Olbermann.

    The deluded Cee asks:Has Keith Olbermann ever interviewed Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice or any other target of his unsubstantiated accusations?

    Why would ANYONE want to interview these compulsive liars?
    Did you see the sham of an interview Wolf Blitzer had with cheney?
    He answered half of the questions with "No comment".
    And the other half of his answers he just lied about.
    "I don't accept the premise of your question, Wolf," ? said Cheney.
    THAT YOU BOTCHED THE WAR IN IRAQ ?

    Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head , as he always does: "Why does Cheney keep lying or saying he never said that, when he knows we have the tapes to prove he did ?"

    The right is so devoid of substance and honesty.
    The American people saw it and voted accordingly yet the simpleton's like Cee have yet to catch on.


    She is the master at twisting a simple cogent idea into a tangled web of confusion.......

    Cecelia, I think you need a break. according to the loons your started to sound just like them.

    According to them.

    I saw Chuck Norris was in for Hannity last night. Gee I wonder if Keith will have the balls to put Chuck on worst person?

    This gets me. Olby has done close to 150 attacks on O'Reilly. Has it made a dent in the ratings? NO!
    I think what it has done is make O'Reilly dig in and make his show better. I catch his radio show more than the tv show but. Whatever he talks about Bill opens the phones up in the second half hour to everybody as long as your not a loon.
    And three or four libs will come on during that part.

    You see any free thinking liberal, Independent, Conservative knows this. And why Loons from the left and the right don't like O'Reilly.

    Keith would fail big time at radio. I don't think he would last a month at Air America.

    Keith debate conservatives? Keith would have trouble debating a third shift 7/11 slacker!!!!!

    But his Apologists ( and thats all they are hacks for a hack) will come on here and scream about O'Reilly and Hannity Blah, blah, blah.

    And they will tell you ratings don't mean a thing.

    When they can't face the fact Liberals, Conservatives, Independent, and other free thinking people watch O'Reilly and Hannity & Commes.

    And that the best they have(Keith) is putting on a crappy show!

    I mean if I was a loon, why would I want to watch Olby. How many times do you need to be told Bush Sucks? Two years and you still have to tune in every night to hear this? What part of Bush Sucks don't you get?

    And how does Olby's show start every night? Bush Sucks!

    Even free thinking loons if there is such a thing have left because they get it!!!

    But like I said if Olby was all that why have we not heard about the big new contract? Or Olby taking over for Paula Zahn?

    Heck if O'Reilly's contract was comming up for.....well do we even have to go there? Number 1 News Cable Show? Money would fall out of the sky.

    Face it kids 32 days to go. It ain't looking good!!!!!

    Now his latest trick. "The Fox Noise Channel".
    Is that turning things around? Nope!

    "Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head , as he always does:"

    And who's to argue or take exception with that noted scholar of American politics, HerrDoktorProfessor Jonathan Stewart?

    I mean, the man's spent decades studying the history of the American political system. Long hours spent in deep contemplation and examination of our government.

    Sheesh.

    Here is an actual video of Sgt. Madden and other soldiers from the Appeal to Redress speak how they feel about the war.

    Here, Sgt Madden, speaks the same words, the same quote Bob puts at the end of his posts.
    ( not the one Cee uses)
    These soldiers are the antithesis of what Cee stands for ,yet he continues to ALLEGEDLY use Madden's words.
    Notice that quote is nowhere to be found in this article that is included with the video.

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012307B.shtml

    One more point.Althought Truthout picked up the article, the original article came from that far left wing site: THE NAVY TIMES.

    And who's to argue or take exception with that noted scholar of American politics, HerrDoktorProfessor Jonathan Stewart?

    I mean, the man's spent decades studying the history of the American political system. Long hours spent in deep contemplation and examination of our government.

    Sheesh.

    Posted by: Ohboy at January 27, 2007 11:41 AM

    Please explain how the quote I used by Stewart is inaccurate.
    ""Why does Cheney keep lying or saying he never said that, when he knows we have the tapes to prove he did ?"

    you can't, thus making your points null and void.

    And how does Olby's show start every night? Bush Sucks! says the idiot puck.

    To answer your question ,because Keith then provides examples of exactly how Bush did suck that day.

    You a Bush supporter , Puck?

    Oh right, you're another one petrified to come out and say what you believe. So much easier just to criticize those who do.

    Puck is the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world of being a "stone cold idiot".

    "Please explain how the quote I used by Stewart is inaccurate"

    Because you didn't quote Stewart showing a single lie or falsehood made by Cheney. You simply quote Stewart saying he did.

    Appeal to authority is one of more common faulty arguments.

    If I said "Limbaugh says that liberals make up stuff", would you accept that?

    We need facts not allegations. It's up to you (Stewart) to prove the claim; not for me to disprove it.

    "I mean, the man's spent decades studying the history of the American political system. Long hours spent in deep contemplation and examination of our government."

    Did our dear president?

    ha ha ha ha !

    He didn't even know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunnis when he invaded the country they inhabit.

    As usual, the right is shot down with their ridiculous and dishonest posts.

    "As usual, the right is shot down with their ridiculous and dishonest posts."

    Okay, I'll bite (although I know I shouldn't).

    What was dishonest about anything in my post?

    I'll wait a bit for your answer. I'm just doing the laundry right now.

    We need facts not allegations. It's up to you (Stewart) to prove the claim; not for me to disprove it.

    Posted by: Ohboy at January 27, 2007 11:55 AM

    He does it nightly on his show.
    Are you kidding me?

    He has taken quotes from Cheney saying he never said that. And then rerun quotes of Cheney from 3 years ago totally contradicting himself....thus proving him to be a liar.

    You really are not too smart or don't watch the show.

    Stewart highlights the absurdities and hypocrisy of all the Bushites on a regular basis.

    Oh Boy! OHBOY must really not watch the show.

    "You really are not too smart or don't watch the show."

    Again, my slow friend, you need to show where Cheney was dishonest.

    Like Olbermann does regularly, it's easy to misquote people or take their statements out of context (editing tapes, et cetera) to "show" them being dishonest or disingenuous or silly.

    No, I don't watch Stewart or any other of the comedy show.

    And again, it's a COMEDY SHOW.

    COMEDY. JOKES.

    Stewart highlights the absurdities and hypocrisy of all the Bushites on a regular basis.

    His comments are always poignant and right on target.
    He's extremely knowledgeable of the political goings on in our world.

    Oh Boy! OHBOY must really not watch the show.

    Oh and if any of you loons would get your head out of the sand for five minutes. You would know that O'Reilly has been saying that he has invited Cheney on and Cheney has said no. Cheney's people have said no.

    Dick won't go on O'Reilly? Why is that? According to the loons Bill would throw softballs at him for an hour.

    Taking talking points off a website again kids?

    Hey I'll say it. Dick Cheney, weasel.

    If I had Dick on my show if I had one. Here's what my first question would be.

    Mister vice-president you said Hillary will never become President. You also said the Republicans would hold on to both the house and the senate? So Mister Vice-President how big of a landside will Hillary win by?

    Nope he's not comming on my show either, if I had one.

    If fact one of the best ways to see weasels in goverment. Is watch Hannity and Commes. And see who will just come on and be interviewed by just Hannity or Commes?

    Last night O'Reilly had Al Sharpton on.

    Did I miss something? Did Al turn ultra far right wing?

    I love it when O'Reilly has Elis Hennigan on his radio show. No screaming match, and at the end O'Reilly tells everybody to listen to Hennigan's show on WOR.

    Olby? every night, the same thing? Which gets back to my point. How many times do you loons have to be told Bush sucks? What part of Bush Sucks don't you get?

    You see you loons can't listen to the other side because you can't make up your own minds. Someone else has to do it for you.

    And if you had to think about it you would get a headache or your head would explode!!!

    Most of America knows a Dog and Pony show when they see it. And with 32 days to go and no new contract. It looks like this sad clown act is about to close.

    But when do loons listen, ever?

    "Again, my slow friend, you need to show where Cheney was dishonest."

    Watch the show..it's a comedy show because when he uses video to PROVE Cheney is a liar it is hysterical.

    FUNNY you make comments about Stewart.YOU DON'T EVEN WATCH HIM.

    cheney:" I never said that."

    jon will then whip out a clip of Cheney saying that very thing.

    OHBOY..foiled again.

    Puck is petrified to answer a simple question.

    Puck, are you a Bush supporter?

    instead he'll ramble on about NOTHING, an space each sentence as if any of it has merit.

    Why are you afraid to asnwer the question, stone cold ?

    Why do you care what my name is said I'm a stone cold idiot.

    Gee Bob why are you hiding behind a new name?

    Just like your old buddy Keith who likes to hide under his desk.

    Gee Bob afraid to let everybody know your from New Jersey?

    Bob I just have stack full of New Jersey Stories waiting for you Bob.

    Bob nobody cares about what your name is because nobody cares about you, because your from New Jersey.

    Now why don't you drive over here to pa so I can laugh at you trying to figure out how to work a gas pump.

    Everybody else if you don't know my views they are posted somewhere on this site.

    See what I mean When I say Loons don't listen?

    I dont care or Bob or whatever bathtub you want to hide in just made my case.

    Oh Bob? 32 days to go!!!!!!!

    tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock

    Gee Bob O"Reilly doesn't have this problem does he? But your boy does ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

    Geezus, you guys actually are getting "news" from a friggin' comedy show?

    You think that Stewart and his staff are completely above board when they do this material?

    They don't edit out or manipulate tapes or statements to make the people look as bad as possible? They don't spin the material?

    Holy moley. It's a friggin comedy show. He's a liberal comedian promoting his views.

    That's fine. He can be whatever he wants. But he's a comedian.

    Wow. I can't believe people seriously think that the "news" he offers is unvarnished and 100% accurate.

    Oy, what a country we have where voters are relying on a comedian for their information.


    Jules said: "When has Olbermann ever claimed to be neutral? He tells us exactly where he stands...Bill-O, is the one who keeps claiming neutrality despite his rare admission to holding more conservative views.

    Here's what Olbermann said in a recent interview:

    "I'm not political. I don't vote -- I don't believe journalists covering politics should (and I don't think the democracy would suffer if however many of us there are, recused ourselves). I have no more interest in the political outcome of an election than I did in the winner or loser of any ballgame I ever covered."

    If you believe that, I have some beach front property in Vegas that I'd like to sell you.

    why do u care seems to be a great apologist for The Democrat Party who is cynically using the war as a political issue.....

    If why had went back to see where I sourced my quote (which says a lot more about what is going on in Washington then political cowards like why will admit), a Mike Lupica editorial would be found...

    http://www.mfso.org/article.php?id=876

    My initial post regarding the lack of action on the part of The Democrats was addressed by Lupica very well....

    "One of the reasons Kennedy (D-Mass.) can do what he does at this stage of his career is because he has nothing to lose. Clinton and Obama are different. They are the headliners of the party in power now, but all they do is talk and talk but say nothing meaningful about Iraq. It tells you everything about how much both of them want to be President, no matter what kind of mess they would inherit in Baghdad.

    "This isn't about ideals with them as much as ambition. Maybe they can explain to the people on the ground now how important it is for them to find a safe place in this debate.

    "'I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that,' Madden says. 'Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too.'"

    Leftists like why just can't face the fact that The Democrats will NOT DO anything to actually end the Iraq War....They are using it as a issue for the 2008 elections.

    Bush is not up for re-election in 2008.
    Cheney is not up either.....I think it is VERY plausable to say their behavior and decisions are based on values and goals for our country.

    Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Obama, Hagel, Snow, Collins, Warner, and many more political geniuses are posturing and CYA'ing for 2008....What a shame!...Their motives are for their PERSONAL political power....how nice!

    Face it why.....your faith in The Democrats is being used to make a play for political power....not to end the war.

    Oh, and Rosie (Bushkill)....if you really cared so much about peace you would be marching today in DC....same with all of you self proclaimed, arrogant demogogues who only talk tough but are willfully impotent to actually put your words into action.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden


    "Oh, and Rosie (Bushkill)....if you really cared so much about peace you would be marching today in DC....same with all of you self proclaimed, arrogant demogogues who only talk tough but are willfully impotent to actually put your words into action."

    cee, I live thousands of miles away and couldn't take time off from my job (new hires have to wait six months to take vacation days), so obviously I couldn't go to Washington. Does that make me willfully impotent?

    No, EE...you have always been a reasonable and articulate poster who does not heap hateful, hyperbolic bile at the drop of a hat.

    My problem is with those who see only evil in my position, easily call me "anti-Christ" and arrogantly say their position is one of love, compassion and unadulterated humanity....Well that just gets under my skin and I will gladly go down the road of hyperbole and absurdity to illustrate the true nature of those that choose to believe their own lies.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    did anyone notice that every time Keithy Oboreman called the president "Mister Bush" he paused and got this evil liitle smirk on in his face like a 10 year old using the 'F' word with his buddies for the first time,it amazes me how easily K.O. can amuse himself

    Buffalo,
    I'm not no suburban white boy. I'm Italain so I'm really Latin, The name I use on this site isn't really mine. I grew up around Hispanics and Blacks, in fact my wife is Colombian. I grew up working class and earned everything I had. When I was a teenager I was really into the Hip-Hop scene, I DJ'd and met DMX and The LOX before they were signed. It's funny, for a Leftist who prejudge others. If there's "White" people listening to Rap, embrace it. That means they're not racist. I see many interacial marriages and Dates in the Hip Hop scene. That's why the Right and Left attack Hip Hop because it unites people.

    "FUNNY you make comments about Stewart.YOU DON'T EVEN WATCH HIM."

    I guess I'm odd: I watch news shows to get news and I watch comedy shows to get comedy.

    I've _seen_ the show; I just don't watch it regularly because: (a) I don't watch much comedy shows and (b) since I get up at around 5:30, it's past my bedtime.

    It's a comedy show. Hah, hah, giggles, laughs. Their journalistic standards are, shall we say, much looser than for a news show (excluding "Countdown" if one insists on calling it a "news show.")

    Oy, what a country. Folks actually use comedy shows to be informed on news and political matters.

    I get all my news from Olby and as I understand it, Americans are completely stupid people who believe only in creationism, think the world is flat, are racists, homophobs and if it weren't for the 2% of people as smart as Keith we would all be doomed.

    Thank goodness for Keith saving me from myself 'cause I am too stupid to help it.

    Bushkill writes : No, no and no.

    "Your post contains so many examples of your penchance for tortured logic that my head was spining when I read your comment.

    I wouldn't even know where to start in correcting your post.My Saturday is too precious to spend the time it would take to do it."

    --------------------------------------------

    Actually, it's YOUR tortured logic reflected to you.

    They're YOUR answers to the question of why can't Countdown air someone defending themselves or their political allies againtst a charge that Olbermann has leveled on primetime television.

    Why can't someone from the Administration or on behalf of the Administration come on and articulate their side of an issue, when Olbermann is criticising it?

    YOUR answers;

    Not allowing opposition on air "works" (for you I supppose...) and is done by other shows. (Name one)

    Scarborough DOES allow debate ....but...you add illogically...it's hard for him to find someone on the right that isnt agreeing with the left... (A strawman and a cheapshot that has nothing to do with the fact that Scarborough DOES allow debate.)

    People who think global warming is a natural pheonomen are too ashamed to speak at GW conferences. (Where the hell did this come from!)

    How does one interpret YOUR tortured logic other than:

    Hannity shouts down opposition so Olbermann is justified in not airing any opposition.

    Other shows do the same (but no examples)

    It's hard to find rightwingers who will defend their position- (So THAT'S the problem at Countdown?...right...)

    It's hard to call this stuff "tortured logic", it's not any sort of logic. It's all cheapshot strawmen.

    Some evidence that buttresses my point re Jon Stewart.

    Researchers "found that nearly half -- 48 percent -- of this age group [college] watched "The Daily Show" and only 23 percent of show viewers followed "hard news" programs closely.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062201474.html

    Just great. They get their "news" from watching a comedy show.

    And the silly people who get their news from listening to talk radio are just as bad.

    Off my high horse for today.

    Why is everyone here hostile? Can't we all have a civil discussion?

    "As the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann bellowed the opening spiel,"

    Why the determination to write so bad? In being stubborn you are only hurting yourself. Please, for you own good, strive to change.

    Reasons to write well:
    1)Improves your own thinking and research.
    2)Communicate effectively to others.

    To become a good writer.
    1)Read
    2)Practice
    3)Revise, rewrite ( I suspect you neglect this).
    4)Seek help and feedback, e.g., Writing Center, FOLDOC (I'm wiling to help you here.)

    Pay close attention here!

    Things not to do --- some marks of bad writing.

    1)Over-use passive voice. (This has not really been a problem for you.)

    2)Leave out important details, e.g., experimental setup, points in a logical argument (This is a major problem in your posts.)

    3)Irrelevant details, e.g., too much detail on a subtopic (Another danger point for you).

    4) Overly confident claims or conclusions (You could very well be the worst offender I have ever seen in this area.)

    5) Repetitive style (If I could make this flash red and beep, I would.)


    Follow these simple guidelines, and you still can become--a solid writer!

    It's impossible to be a "solid writer" when recapping the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, because a writer is stuck with what comes out of Krazy Keith's mouth. Probably the most repetitive broadcaster on the planet: metaphor, throw under the bus, escalation, right-wing, proverbial, etc etc. The only way to show the inane banality of his bankrupt vocabulary is to emulate through satire.

    I just got in so let me address this to the small little minds that ramble on this site.

    I can see that by the size of your brain it takes time for stuff to sink in.

    I have posted many times what I am, if you can't take your lazy ass to find it well. who cares. But then again what do expect from small little minds that can only repeat talking points.

    One of the small little minds on here is ranting about me being a Bush supporter. Funny I don't remember talking about that this morning.

    In fact if the small little mind took the time to read my posts, the small little mind would get the answer.

    Am I in lock step with George Bush like the small little mind is to whatever small little mind organzation it belongs to?

    Read my posts, you'll find the answer.

    Look small little mind. It's not my fault, you can play victim all you want! But you should have paid attention in school.

    I can see the small little mind had to take things off topic because the small little mind did not have a answer to my post.

    But then again what do you expect from a small little mind who can only repeat talking points because they can't have an original thought in their head?

    Oh oh! Small little mind? Whats that I hear? That ticking sound? Oh yes it's the sound of your little Olby's contract comming to an end.
    Now thats what I posted this morning. And somehow the answer was why am I a Bush supporter?

    Does everybody see what happens to a small little mind when they are faced with the truth that their boy might be gone in a month.

    The small little mind must try to change the subject.

    You see small little mind, the free thinking people on this site be they liberal, conservative, independent. See right through you! Or in your case over you.

    Does it matter what name the small little mind posts under? NO!

    Because you can always spot a small minded person on this site.

    And don't forget!! It's about 32 days till your boy's contract runs out!!!!!

    And there's no changing the subject on that!!!!!!!

    And that's the stone cold truth!!!

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Here's a little something for your small little mind to process. Today was the day that the big-anti war demonstration was held in D.C.

    But didn't Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha head for Iraq?

    Gee I figured that they would want to be at the protest today?

    And what about Olby? Okay not to speak because we all know(wink,wink,nod) that Olby does'nt play sides! But he could have had thousands of people chanting his name and Edward R. Morrow in the same breath!!!!!

    All Olby would have had to do was catch an Amtrak and he would have been there!

    So let's see Pelosi and Murtha high tail it out of D.C.. Olby would'nt come down. It seems the only high profile politico left in town was George Bush!!!!!

    You know maybe the small little minds might be a little right about George Bush.

    Busloads of Loons show up in D.C. and everybody had the sense to bolt town!!! Except for W.

    Johnny the loons on this site kill me!!!!

    Hey, hey what do you want to talk about Johnny now?

    Gee, Gee, I don't know?

    I know let's talk about his writing style!!!!!

    Yeah, yeah, thats it! That will really get him! Yeah! Yeah!

    And how long have you been using that line Johnny?

    And they are just finding it now?

    It's like I said. The small little minds!!!!!!

    Oh well it's Saturday night and I'm going out. Somebody else is going to have to babysit the loons!!!!!!

    Can we discus Keith Olbermann. What's so controversial about him?

    I'll bet Obeee is out tonight with his favorite little girlymen, michael musta, mo mocca, richard wolfe, jonathan alter, and oh yeah davie shuster. Does he ever have anybody on his show with a dissenting opinion? Or maybe he is home watching reruns of MSNBC prison shows? What is a supposedly serious cable tv news outlet doing showing rerun after rerun of san quentin and bushy run for? Are they just pretending to be a serious cable tv news network all the while trying to bring down the Bush administration? Olberman is a f---ing fraud.

    Blowme, you have a lot of rambling rhetorical questions that obvously have no answers.

    However, as for "trying to bring down the Bush Administration"...the Bush Administration is doing that all by themselves.

    MSNBC is simply reporting a perspective that a huge percentage of the population, if not the majority already have.

    Would you prefer that the Administration have and use the power to squelch all media opposition viewopoint?

    And if the answer to that question is 'yes', then you clearly don't believe in American principals.

    Genovese:

    All the KO haters are so 'hostile' simply because he is delivering a message they don't want delivered, so they mask the fear of the message by bashing the messenger in an attempt to discredit him.

    It's not working!

    While many of the negative 'points' being constantly raised against Olbermann may indeed have SOME techincal merit, equally damning and truthfull criticism could be leveled against every single cable news pundit out there. All of them have their own unique flaws.

    It's the message!!!!

    "But didn't Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha head for Iraq?

    Gee I figured that they would want to be at the protest today?"

    puck, they'd do better going to Iraq and doing a little fact-finding so that when they come back they have more and better information/ammunition to use against this absolutely crazy "surge" strategy.

    And I wouldn't be saying anything lest you want to tell me just how many pro-life Republican lawmakers showed up at the rally they held in Washington earlier this week? President Bush wasn't even IN TOWN - he phoned his support in from Camp David.

    Protests like this are for the PEOPLE, not the lawmakers. The lawmakers have their platforms from which to speak - the citizens take to the street. That is OUR platform.

    OhBoy rambles on about Stewart being a comedy show( No shit) but fails to address how he PROVES bUSH AND CHENEY ARE LIARS by using their own words.

    It's just so funny seeing the wingnuts talk about a show they don't even watch.
    Facts never stop you from expressing your points, I see.
    And Ohboy, jon's show is on TWICE a night.8:00PM EST is a repeat of the previous night's show and 11:00Pm EST for the new show of the day.
    So it's on a time when anyone can see it.
    Check it out, and you'll see exactly how it is a comedy show THAT TELLS THE TRUTH.


    And if you don't think that Bush and Cheney are habitual liars, you just haven't been paying attention.

    My favorite part of the Daily Show is , as I explained before, when Jon uses film to highlight and prove what liars they are.
    Bush would say something stupid( as he always does).
    Jon would say,"But Mr. President, didn't you say the opposite 2 years ago>"and then pull out a clip showing exactly Bush's hypocrisy on that point.

    It doesn't get any more real than that.And it also doesn't get any funnier than that too.
    Watching the Bushies make fools of themselves has become a national past time the past 6 years.

    And Oh Boy is still out of the loop on the lies !

    LMAO.

    Hey everybody.


    Look at me.


    I'm Puck.


    I write this way so I'm sure people will notice me.

    I ducked out on a question to express my points about Bush.

    I did this by telling people to read my posts.


    But since I know I'm the least read poster at this site....

    That's why I told everyone to read what I wrote about what I really really feel.

    My sheep are getting lonely.

    Must pay them a visit.


    still following my post?

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Johnny Dollar,

    IMHO I think you would reach more readers if you did brief recaps and analysis each night without the sarcasm and humor.

    While you write witty and well, it is tiresome to read it every day.

    Cecilia:"Why can't someone from the Administration or on behalf of the Administration come on and articulate their side of an issue, when Olbermann is criticising it"?


    That's why we have Fox news.To mimic word by word the White House talking points.

    Not allowing opposition on air "works" (for you I supppose...) and is done by other shows. (Name one)


    Again, Cecilia has that comprehension problem.
    But maybe I didn't make myself clear.
    I said it worked for Keith and others( meaning the people who love his show.)


    "Scarborough DOES allow debate ....but...you add illogically...it's hard for him to find someone on the right that isnt agreeing with the left... (A strawman and a cheapshot that has nothing to do with the fact that Scarborough DOES allow debate.)"

    If you really watch Scarborough, Cecilia, then you would have noticed that the right and left have been agreeing a large % of the time on what a disaster this administration has been.
    Journalists and editors from the National Review, which is a conservative publication, regularly criticize this wwar, this president and his policies, along with The host himself, who is a staunch conservative.
    They RARELY have anY praise for Bush.
    For obvious reasons lost on YOU.

    So you're comment about strawman and cheapshot is totally without merit.

    "People who think global warming is a natural pheonomen are too ashamed to speak at GW conferences. (Where the hell did this come from!)"

    Please tell me how often these global warming critics speak at world conferences.
    THEY DON'T.
    My point, thank you.


    "Hannity shouts down opposition so Olbermann is justified in not airing any opposition."

    Hannity making a fool of himself has NOTHING to do with the kind of show Keith has.
    I said Olby's show and format works for him, and Fox can do their schtick.

    olby CHOOSES to not have right wingers on. It's his show . He can do what he wants.
    Don't like it?
    Don't watch !

    So instead, there is a web site dedicated to dissing Olby for ( one of the main reasons)not having wingnuts on his show.

    There are many types of shows out there. Olby has his format. The others have theirs.
    If you crave right wing POV, you have Fox for that.Need a fix for someone to tell you your president isn't f---ing up as bad as he is:
    Tune into Hannity,or OReilly, or better yet, listen to the comedian Rush Limpballs.

    It must really irk you when you tune into a conservative like Scarborough and you hear the direct opposite of what you believe.
    Most people have woken up to the disaster your president has been.
    Hold on tight to your delusion. It may keep you warm at night.

    AMERICA SPEAKS :


    A raucous and colorful multitude of protesters, staged a series of rallies and a march on the Capitol yesterday to demand that the United States end its war in Iraq.

    Under a blue sky with a pale midday moon, hundreds of thousands of people angry about the war and other policies of the Bush administration danced, sang, shouted and chanted their opposition.


    Antiwar protesters flooded Washington yesterday for a series of rallies and a march on the Capitol against U.S. involvement in the war in Iraq. Some longtime activists lamented the continued need for such demonstrations.
    Antiwar protesters flooded Washington yesterday for a series of rallies and a march on the Capitol against U.S. involvement in the war in Iraq. Some longtime activists lamented the continued need for such demonstrations.

    As the bulk of war protesters chanted "this is what democracy looks like" on the Mall yesterday, a few hundred gathered separately on the south edge of the Mall.


    They came from across the country and across the activist spectrum, with a wide array of grievances. Many seemed to be under 30, but there were others who said they had been at the famed war protests of the 1960s and '70s.

    They came to Washington at what they said was a moment of opportunity to push the new Congress to take action against the war, even as the Bush administration is accelerating plans to send an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq. This week, the Senate will begin debating a resolution of disapproval of the president's Iraq policy, setting up a dramatic confrontation with the White House.

    Some protesters plan to stay and lobby their representatives in Congress. Other antiwar activists intend to barnstorm states this week urging senators to oppose the troop escalation.

    whodunit
    So Olbermann is a spokesman for a cause?

    Meanwhile, Bush's war continues:

    Sat Jan 27, 6:39 PM ET

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military reported the deaths of seven more soldiers Saturday, while Sunni insurgent bombers struck yet another market in a predominantly Shiite district, killing at least 13 people.


    The latest market attack capped a week in which more than 150 people, mostly Shiites, were slain in bomb attacks.

    Death squads, believed to be primarily Shiite militiamen, continued their butchery on the other side of
    Iraq's deepening sectarian divide, with police reporting the discovery of 40 bodies dumped in Baghdad alone. Two of the victims were women and most of the bodies showed signs of torture, police said.

    The Olby haters: "I want this to continue" !

    Bushkill Falls,
    Why are you intolerant of the Urban culture? If your a liberal than you should respect Hip Hop. Don't you a a liberal believe in tolerance?

    It is my OPINION that Hip Hop is a nonmusical form that is irritating to listen to and (FACT)is hateful to women.

    I'm not INTOLERANT of urban culture.I work right in the middle of it.

    "if you're a liberal you should respect hip hop"

    I'm a libertarian. People can listen to whatever they like.
    I choose not to. And I choose to write why I don't like it.

    I do agree though stop the war. Get those boys out. We're fighting for nothing!

    "We're fighting for nothing!"

    Our troops are fighting and dying to save George Bush's legacy.
    THEY don't know that, but the rest of us do.

    Yes end Bush's Racist KKK war against Brown people!Halliburton is at the center of this genocidal conflict! In the traditional American Klan Kulture!

    Mr. Buffalo,
    Why are you full of hate?

    Happy Birthday Keith,
    Keep doing what you're doing.

    We love to hear you slam the liars and criminals in the White House.
    There is not enough truth and honesty in the news.

    A big KISS to you Keith, you handsome devil.

    I had an encounter with Evangelical Racist Rednekkks. I hate them! I hate Bush! I hate everything!

    Red Wolf is back from his local KKK meeting, spewing his garbage.

    Marie can we link up so I can hit that ass?

    There is a new documentary coming out entitled No End in Sight on the clusterf#@k that is Iraq .

    This piercing and unbiased account of all the stupidity, venality and small-mindedness that created our nation's latest foreign policy disaster combines hardheaded journalism and a tragic sensibility.

    This is no left-wing screed; Ferguson himself says he was initially optimistic about America's foray into Iraq. His interviewees include former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, retired Gen. Jay Garner (the first coalition governor of Iraq) and the principal author of the 2004 National Intelligence Estimate, which tried to warn the Bush administration about the bottomless, nightmarish money pit that lay ahead. That was the document described by George W. Bush as "guesswork," even though (its authors say) the president had not read it or even seen it.

    Ferguson synthesizes existing footage and his own interviews and original research - he spent several weeks in Iraq, working under armed guard - to create a portrait of an ideologically driven administration that conducted a war with disastrous incompetence, in which every bad decision was followed by another one.

    "Marie can we link up so I can hit that ass?"

    Sorry Red Wolf.I don't do guys with IQ's smaller than their shoe size.

    Ouch!

    Red Wolf gets burned !

    Marie,
    I'm the Buffalo! Red Wolf has been here in a while. He's gone. I apologize I was vulgar!

    Retired Gen. Jay Garner (the first coalition governor of Iraq) and the principal author of the 2004 National Intelligence Estimate, tried to warn the Bush administration about the bottomless, nightmarish money pit that lay ahead. That was the document described by George W. Bush as "guesswork," even though (its authors say) the president had not read it or even seen it.

    So , the holy Cee:
    Was it guesswork, as Bush claimed?( without reading it)
    or is Iraq a bottomless nightmarish money pit?

    Cecilia: feel free to answer.

    Cecilia wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot picture of Sean Hannity.

    The excellent writer Molly Sims is in the hospital. Say a prayer for her.

    two quotes of hers worth repeating:

    "Just when you thought there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, the Republicans go and prove you're wrong."

    "I have been attacked by Rush Limbaugh on the air, an experience somewhat akin to being gummed by a newt. It doesn't actually hurt, but it leaves you with slimy stuff on your ankle."

    My apologies, it's Molly Ivins !

    Look at this Yahoo headline of a Reuters story:

    Bomb kills 15, Bush critic Pelosi visits Baghdad

    "Bush critic"? That's the best descriptive Yahoo can think of to give Pelosi?

    Not "Speaker of the House" Pelosi? Not "Third in Line for the Presidency" Pelosi?

    Not even "California Congresswoman" Pelosi?

    But, yes, all you lurking Freepers, keep crying that the media is liberal.

    Tell you what, when Yahoo News refers to Bush as "Constitution Ignorer" George W. Bush or "Human Rights Violator" George W. Bush, you might just have a point.

    check this out. if this doesn't make you laugh, you're close to dead.

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/26/open-thread-381/

    Bushkill Falls,
    Why are you intolerant of Rap music. I thought as a liberal you were tolerant?

    Krazy Keith is losing the race
    He's bitchslapped each night by Ms. Grace
    The failed sportscaster
    His show a disaster
    Meltdown's not worthy of My Space

    It must really irk you when you tune into a conservative like Scarborough and you hear the direct opposite of what you believe.
    Most people have woken up to the disaster your president has been.
    Hold on tight to your delusion. It may keep you warm at night.

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 27, 2007 11:30 PM

    ____________________________________________


    More of the same:

    Olbermann can do what he wants, and since I like what he says, I won't disdain his lack of balance as I have Fox News.

    and

    If Olbermann did allow conservatives on his show, they'd agree with him.

    Well, super. Then what's the problem with having one on? Let's start with James Dobson, the next time he accuses Dobson of something he denies.

    Chris Matthews manages to find conservatives/Republicans who don't agree with him, as does Wolfe Blitzer, and Anderson Cooper. Maybe Olbermann could get their guest list...

    But,I think I'm seeing the problem now. All these years, I've heard all these terrible things about how Fox News is biased. I don't watch Fox, I watch Olbermann and Hardball less frequently. Blitzer in the late afternoon, and Anderson Cooper very occasionally.

    The talk here about Fox News is particularly heavy, generally as a means of deflecting any criticism about Olbermann, as in "why do you complain about K.O. when Fox sucks"...that sort of brilliance. It's impossible to overstate the animous towards Fox News and impossible not to start wondering about that even if I don't watch.


    I remember being struck fairly recently by Olby fan Codas bemoaning Fox News having Newt Gingrich on a show and --treating him like he 'deserved respect'. It wasn't that I hadn't heard similar comments here a million times about the gambit of conservatives or anyone criticising anything liberal, who happened to appear on Fox News-- anger and puzzlement that a conservative appeared and was treated like any other guest.

    So I'm getting the picture. It's not that folks like Bushkill care one iota about balance. Heck no. To them, the problem with Fox News isn't bias towards conservatives, it's the notion that their views are aired PERIOD.

    Conversation that would reflect both sides of an issue is a puzzle to these people. The concept of balance on a news show would take some sort of hearing aid for the cerebellum in order for them to pick it up and process it at all.

    As it stands there's only complete tone-deafness.

    Bushkill says it must "irk" me when I hear Scarborough, a conservative, airing views that are the complete opposite of what I believe.

    Well, that's an overstatement, as there are conservatives who hold my views who appear on Scarborough, and those who do not, don't irk me in the sense of my not wanting to hear them, anymore than they do here.

    No, that sort of thing, irks THESE people.
    I've come to see that you scratch most of them and under the surface lies the smuggest of totalitarians.

    Cecelia: I was just checking in for a minute and saw your last post...and thought I'd add my two cents worth.

    At the obvious risk of jumping in on something with all the background, you just made a statement regarding conservative guests that intriques me:....."It's the notion that their views are aired period"......

    To that, I say EXACTLY, ...but not quite in the way you meant it.

    It seems to REALLY bother a lot of 'conservative' people posting on this site that Olbermann's show exists at all. I have asked why many times and have never gotten an answer that makes any sense to me. It usually goes something like; "he SAYS he's a journalist", or "he SAYS it's a news show", or "this is Olbermann Watch", or....my favorite; "you don't have to post here...why don't you go to KOS".

    None of those responses answers my basic question as to why so many people on this site are disturbed by the fact that KO's show exists at all? After all, it would be SO easy to just ignor it, pretend it doesn't exist, and forget about it.

    Don't misunderstand....I know why this site exists...thats not my question at all, but most who come here to to post against KO don't have the same obvious financial motivation that
    the site itself has.

    I have seen the "dissenting view" argument used so many times, yet the arguments are always circular and no one can really 'win' this argument. I cannot argue with anyone who complains that KO doesn't have dissenting opinions...because he doesn't! What I CAN argue is that every show out there doesn't necessarily have to follow the same format, nor should we even want that.

    I personally don't want to see any more 'debate' shows...where the larger issue is sometimes drowned out by competing opinions trying to out tslk each other. I can't begin to remember all the times I've seen one guest start to try to make a point that he/she was never really allowed to finish making, to my own frustration, on one of those shows. Don't get me wrong, I watch and enjoy many of them...I just don't believe they ALL need to be like this.

    Peronally, my 'dream show' would be fullfilled if Bill Maher were to come back to cable news with his own daily show, and, if he did, you would see plenty of debate there. In the absense of that, I only have this one 'liberal biased' show available, and I personally appreciate the fact that it IS available to me, and anyone else who wants to watch it.

    And finally, I think I know why KO personally doesn't like to do the "dissenting opinion" thing. It's simply not his forte, and he would not look good trying to use that format. On the other hand, it's easy to see that someone like Mathews loves and thrives with the 'debate' format, and he is very good at it, even though he may be just as biased as KO.

    There's no mystery here, and those of us who like KO's show fully understand that we are not getting the whole picture here. The question I have is that...do those who are bothered so much by Olbermanns existance understand that we DO fully understand that his show doesn't tell the whole story?

    Oh yes....the leftist cries for past glory....

    From CNN...

    "About 50 demonstrators blocked a street near the Capitol for about 30 minutes, but they were dispersed without arrests.

    "United for Peace and Justice, a coalition group sponsoring the protest, had hoped 100,000 would come. They claimed even more afterward, but police, who no longer give official estimates, said privately the crowd was smaller than 100,000."

    ###
    Compared to the rallies in the Vietnam era, the leftists are going to have to try harder.

    In 1971 a massive anti-war rally of around 200,000 people was held on the Mall in Washington, D.C. Over 100,000 people protested in San Fransisco at the same time.

    The numbers may be smaller.....but the attitude remains the same....disrespect and hate:

    From NYT...

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq.

    "Later, as anti-war protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

    "Capitol police made the antiwar protestors walk farther away from the counterprotesters.

    "'These are not Americans as far as I’m concerned,' Mr. Sparling said. Another counterprotester, Larry Stark, 71, a retired Navy officer who fought in Vietnam for five years and was a prisoner of war, said, 'We never lost a battle in Vietnam but we lost the war, and the same is going to be true in Iraq if these protesters have their way.'

    "'The protesters on Saturday were undermining troop morale,' Mr. Stark said, 'and increasing the likelihood of a premature withdrawal.'

    "'It’s like we never learn from the past,' he said."

    ###
    Again....Rosie (Bushkill), Comic Book Store Guy (Buffalo), and liberal anon....instead of hanging out here spewing your hatred towards faceless posters, you should have been at the rally spitting at Veterans!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    Johnny Dollar,
    At 11:30pm "Elmonica" opined:

    "IMHO I think you would reach more readers if you did brief recaps and analysis each night without the sarcasm and humor. While you write witty and well, it is tiresome to read it every day."

    Funny, I feel the same way about Olbermann's broadcasts.

    "The numbers may be smaller.....but the attitude remains the same....disrespect and hate"

    The totally ignorant Holy Cee posts a story about a single example of disrespect towards a crippled serviceman.
    This is what you choose to highlight?
    This is why you have no credibility, holyman.
    Not the nearly 100,000 people who came to protest and have their voices heard on this ungodly and unwinnable war of Bush's.
    Not any of the speaker's insightful words such as :"I grew up during the Vietnam War, but I never protested it and never had my lottery number called to go fight," said David Quinly, a 54-year-old carpenter from Prairie Village, Kan., who arrived here Friday night with about 50 others after a 23-hour bus ride.
    "In my view, this one is a war of choice and a war for profit against a culture and people we don't understand," Mr. Quinly said. "I knew I had to speak up this time."

    or "I've got a son who just got out of the military and another still in," said Jackie Smith, 65, from Sunapee, N.H., whose sign read "Bush Bin Lyin." "And I'm here because this is all I can do to try to help them."

    or Tassi McKee, from Bastrop, La., who said she was a staff sergeant in the Air Force, was among a small contingent of about 20 active-duty service members who turned out. "I believe this has become a civil war, and we are being hurt and making matters worse by staying in the middle of it," Sergeant McKee said.

    The holyman Cee uses red herrings to make his pathetic and unamerican points.
    If you look at the definiton of a "red herring":a type of logical fallacy in which one purports to prove one's point by means of irrelevant arguments , it almost appears that this phrase has been invented for the unholy Cee, who continues to disparage the totally honorable people who attended this rally and the large majority of the American people.

    All these people collectively want to stop the unnecessary war and the huge collatoral damage that is causing.
    You, you pathetic piece of shit, want to continue the killing.
    The only thing you should do is go hide your head in shame.

    "All these people collectively want to stop the unnecessary war and the huge collatoral damage that is causing"

    Question: You believe that if we pull out of Iraq, the war would stop? The internal strife would end (essentially) and the outside regional powers would cease their support for the insurgency?

    I'm still amazed and appalled that the unholy Cee chose to write about a single incident that occurred in a crowd of 100,000.( and has the audacity to think it is significant)
    Let's hear about significant people at this march:

    He got this incident from the same article I'm mentioning. Dressed in the olive green, military-issued flight jacket that he said he wore during the invasion of Iraq while serving as a Marine sergeant, Jack Teller, 26, said he joined a caravan from Greenville, N.C., because he felt that it was his duty.

    "I don't like wearing the jacket because it reminds me that I participated in an immoral and illegal war," said Mr. Teller, who had "Iraq Veterans Against the War" stenciled on the back of his jacket. "But it's important to make a political statement."

    Fernando Braga, a 24-year-old Bronx native who is a member of the Army National Guard, said that he was skeptical of the war before it started. Mr. Braga said his views hardened into opposition while he served in Iraq from March 2004 through January 2005.


    "My own commander told us when we arrived that if we thought we were there for any reason other than oil then we had another think coming," he said. "I realized even commanding officers were against it but following orders."

    Michael McPhearson, executive director of Veterans for Peace, said more than 100 veterans from the Iraq war were participating in the march and several hundred veterans from previous wars were attending as well.

    Robert Watada, 67, of Honolulu, a retired executive with the State of Hawaii who said his son, First Lt. Ehren K. Watada, was to be court-martialed next month for refusing to deploy to Iraq, said: "So many thousands of our own have died and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and for what? And still we are having to push Congress to block the president."

    At least 3,065 American military personnel have been killed and at least 22,834 have been wounded since the start of the war in March 2003, according to Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, a Web site that tracks Department of Defense numbers. The United Nations has estimated that at least 35,000 Iraqis have been killed each year since the war started.

    Question: You believe that if we pull out of Iraq, the war would stop? The internal strife would end (essentially) and the outside regional powers would cease their support for the insurgency?

    Posted by: Ohboy at January 28, 2007 11:20 AM

    When Bush entered Iraq, he hadn't a clue about what a hornet's nest he was stirring up.
    There will be no victories in this godforsaken country whether we stay or leave.
    We need to stop enabling the Iraqis and stop the deaths of our troops in the process.
    THAT CAN ONLY OCCUR IF WE LEAVE.
    And a little factor involved here is that the Iraqis don't even want the "invaders" to stay.
    Many feel that without a US presence in Iraq, the situation CAN improve.
    All of these factors lead to only one conclusion.
    Get out, now.

    "We need to stop enabling the Iraqis and stop the deaths of our troops in the process."

    Okay, not to be rude (too much), I'll ask again: Do you think the war will stop (slow down, decline) if we pull out of Iraq?

    The regional powers (Iran, Syria et al.) will cease their support for groups inside the country. The sectarian strife will cease (or slow down). The Baathist/Sunni insurgents will stop attacking the government. Al-qaeda will stop trying to foment Sunni-Shi'a sectarian strife.

    Et cetera.


    The chickenhawks continue to squawk.
    The chickenhawks continue to push for more deaths of our troops.
    The chickenhawks need to shut the hell up or enlist and "fight the good fight" instead of making us all vomit with their cowardly words.

    "The chickenhawks need to shut the hell up or enlist and "fight the good fight" instead of making us all vomit with their cowardly words."

    Why aren't you in Afghanistan? I assume you support that war?

    You're not a hypocritical chickenhawk?

    Okay, not to be rude (too much), I'll ask again: Do you think the war will stop (slow down, decline) if we pull out of Iraq?

    Not to be rude( too much) but I'll tell you again.
    Many feel that without the US presence in iraq,the situation in that country can improve.

    I'll ask YOU a question.
    is it the US's role to police the world ?
    (taking in consideration how we destabilized the whole region by invading a country that didn't attack us )

    And if we are to believe the motives ( Bush's gives) why haven't we invaded North Korea, a country that DOES have WMD and a dictator as bad as saddam ?

    More lefty crap probably thinks we're winning the war in Iraq and it's a "honorable " mission.
    More Lefty Crap probably wants us to ignore that the Taliban is back strong in Afghanistan due to Bush's obsession with Iraq.
    More lefty crap probably thinks the "leftist" media influenced America for voting the GOP out of office.

    More lefty crap's views have been repudiated by the American people, and his side is now a laughing stock !

    "Many feel that without the US presence in iraq,the situation in that country can improve."

    Well, you're ducking the question(s). These are important questions that need answering.

    I'm asking you. Not your "feelings". Your thoughts.

    Do you believe the war will end if we pull out?

    Or, do you believe the "country can improve" if we pull out?

    Do you think the regional powers will leave Iraq alone if we pull out?

    Do you think the US has any obligation to help prevent mass slaughter in Iraq?

    It's not enough to blame Bush. We have to consider the short and long-term consequences of a withdrawal. For Iraq, the region and for our allies elsewhere.

    It's not enough to blame Bush. We have to consider the short and long-term consequences of a withdrawal. For Iraq, the region and for our allies elsewhere.

    Our allies elsewhere?

    You're kidding, right?
    Even Great Britian are withdrawing 3,000 troops in May, and we don't have very many allies left ,thanks to your president's blunders and continuing blunders.

    Funny how I'm answering all of your questions, and you are afraid to answer any of mine.

    Why hasn't Ohboy enlisted yet?

    "Our allies elsewhere?"

    Our allies in the world. Japan, for example. Australia.

    Allies for other issues besides Iraq.

    Look, you can't answer my questions because the answers make what you espouse completely untenable.

    Neil Boortz warns us about "libertarians" like you. I'll have to remember to listen to him and not try to converse with them.

    Have a good day.

    OHBOy runs away instead of answering even one question.
    What a coward !

    Ohboy really didn't want a dialogue, he just wants to push his discredited world views.

    The wingnuts are a clueless, cowardly bunch of vermin who never learn from history or their mistakes.

    "OHBOy runs away instead of answering even one question."

    Please, you didn't answer a single one of mine. Why should I reciprocate with someone who is arguing in bad faith?

    One more time: Do you believe that the war in Iraq will end or decline if we pull our troops out of there?

    I'm interested in what a "libertarian" thinks.

    And if you're a libertarian, Prince Charles is a Rastafarian.

    Okay, not to be rude (too much), I'll ask again: Do you think the war will stop (slow down, decline) if we pull out of Iraq?

    Not to be rude( too much) but I'll tell you again.
    Many feel that without the US presence in iraq,the situation in that country can improve.
    And that's what I think also.

    "Please, you didn't answer a single one of mine."

    Well, I just proved you wrong.

    So, still too chickenshit to answer a single question of mine, chickenhawk?

    I have to leave now, but I'll check back to see if you grew a pair.

    Rosie (Bushkill), Rosie, Rosie...I haven't seen you like this since you went after Trump!

    The frothing can be felt through my screen. ech!

    Hey, IF the marchers are of such purity as the driven snow, WHY did the ever lib-friendly NYT choose to end their cover article with the spitting incident?

    Face it Rosie....the same disdain AND HATRED the left had for the returning vets from Vietnam who did not latch-on to the antiwar lies will be seen once again in 2007.....Nothing changes.... leftist, anti-American radicals like Rosie say they are for the troops....But in reality the same litmus tests must be passed first....

    Are you against the administration?

    Do you see America as the enemy (not those who are shooting at US/allied troops and kill innocent civilians as a matter of policy)?

    The antiwar protester's spitting at a disabled Veteran is NOT a red herring unless it had nothing to do with the central question of the morality of the prosecuters of the Iraq War AND those who hold themselves above the administration in moral judgement (the radical left). IT IS THE CENTRAL QUESTION.... AND I EASILY ANSWER IT BY SAYING THAT YOU ROSIE, AND YOUR SHAMEFUL ILK ARE MORALLY SUSPECT WHEN COMPARED TO THE HONORABLE PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM IN IRAQ!

    Face it Rosie, it was a pathetic, anti-troops, anti-American, radical leftist march which will have no impact on the cowardly Democrats in the Congress OR move The President towards your inhumane wishes of abandonment and human cruelty.
    I am simply surprised you decided to sit on your butt instead of joining the smelly hippies.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07


    I'll answer your question , OHBOY.

    At this point in time, it's them or us.
    We either can delude ourselves into thinking we're "helping" the Iraqis and continue to mount more American casualities or we can get our troops out and let the Iraqis practice a little self determination.


    We're NEVER going to stop the killing over there so:
    It's them or us.
    I say we go with being more concerned with our troop's lives instead of theirs.

    "it was a pathetic, anti-troops, anti-American, radical leftist march which will have no impact on the cowardly Democrats in the Congress OR move The President towards your inhumane wishes of abandonment and human cruelty.
    I am simply surprised you decided to sit on your butt instead of joining the smelly hippies."

    There in a nutshell the Spiro Agnew inspired Cee, shows everyone what an a--hole he is.

    He calls the troops that attended this rally"anti troops and anti american".
    Duhhhhhhhh...Could he be a bigger idiot if he tried ?


    While HE sits on his ass posting his hatred for the people that HE encouraged to attend the rally,instead of picking up a gun and enlist for the war he so richly supports.

    This moron forgets that if it weren't for these horrible type people when they marched against the Vietnam war, it probably STILL would be going on. Cee would love that.
    The he'd have two wars to support that he wouldn't have the balls to fight in.

    Cee delusionally pits the war protesters against troops.

    IT IS THE CENTRAL QUESTION.... AND I EASILY ANSWER IT BY SAYING THAT YOU ROSIE, AND YOUR SHAMEFUL ILK ARE MORALLY SUSPECT WHEN COMPARED TO THE HONORABLE PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM IN IRAQ!

    His logic is atrociously flawed and his views are one for the crapper.
    Please lock this vermin up before he induces more vomiting in everyone that reads his posts.

    When one chooses to call something or someone evil one must be prepared to defend their self-proclaimed moral superiority. The left is now a rightful target of analysis as they choose to support cutting troop funding, push for immediate withrawal and make accusations of illegalaity on the part of many...

    The problem with the radical left's position is that it is vacant of compassion, altruism OR morality.

    ....Just keep ignoring the spitting incident....(Spitting at a war veteran is now considered a red herring to the left!)...it makes you look foolish. I'll just keep posting the hypocrisy after my signature to remind you...

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    And Spiro considers himself a good Christian with his slurs against the troops, goldstar mothers and people of conscience.


    Plus he puts down the anti war movement for their lack of morality, which is the overwhelming motivation of this group.THEIR MORALITY !
    ...While totally missing his redundancy of the lack of morality his president is pushing in this unwinnable war in Iraq.

    Spiro has been exposed today, as just another brainless refugee from Nixon's army from the 70's.

    Just keep ignoring the spitting incident....(Spitting at a war veteran is now considered a red herring to the left!)...it makes you look foolish. I'll just keep posting the hypocrisy after my signature to remind you.

    let's see what is more outlandish:
    One protester acting disrespectfully, or an administration invading a country that didn't attack us and continuing the death count in a war that is unwinnable.

    Cee is an idiot.

    one out of 100,000 is worth harping on?

    Isn't that what a red herring means?

    My Lord !

    What is more significant:
    That hordes of people that are taking to the streets protesting an illegal war that no one wants in this country or...
    Cee's rantings?

    is this guy for real?

    He sounds more than a little demented and as the above poster said, like a pro-war refugee from the 70's.

    cee takes my breath away with his condemnation of good people, including the Iraq vets against the War and other veterans.

    This individual actually thinks he's on high moral ground ?

    yes Marie.
    Cee hates the left and most of America that is against the war in the name of his lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

    Hate, dirty hippies etc-
    Jesus follower.

    Clear as mud.

    Please show me where I said I hate the left! I hate their narcissistic, self-rightous and elitist attitudes....Please re-read the posts and show me (other than a tongue-in-cheek reference to the hippie culture) where I crossed a line not already gone way over by about a mile by the religious bigots on this site!

    I will gladly apologize if I insulted anyone. However, to take an arrogant position that simply because one wants to "stop a war" that all other positions are immoral, is ridiculous. I have posted MANY times that the results of the Vietnam withdrawal resulted in genocide of millions, a refugee crisis for the innocent South Vietnamese IGNORED by the same leftists that protested the war and a world that now knew that wars of attrition would work wonders on the American psyche....we could be a paper tiger in the conflicts over freedom.

    Well, this is what the radical left wants again....desertion of millions of innocents to radical ideologues....for what?....IMHO for the same self-centered ideology that drove the debate in the Vietnam surrender.

    I will gladly have a reasoned debate, point to point.....however, the religious bigorty will simply be ignored because I will not feed that hate.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "one out of 100,000 is worth harping on?"

    You better believe it because it is wrong and it was done by someone who is against the war.....a member of a group of people that claims moral superiority in every aspect of political debate....If you don't like it then stop claiming moral superiority.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "You better believe it because it is wrong and it was done by someone who is against the war.....a member of a group of people that claims moral superiority in every aspect of political debate....If you don't like it then stop claiming moral superiority."

    Fine, then. By that logic, pro-life protesters can't claim a moral superiority either because a small fragment of their numbers assault and even murder abortion doctors in the name of the movement.

    I vehemently disagree with that one person's action - Corporal Sparling has a right to counter-protest just as much as anyone else. That someone chose to spit at him is deplorable. He fought for this country and was grievously wounded in the process.

    He deserves respect - as I have said many times, the TROOPS have no choice. They go where they are ordered to go. Do not take out your anger on the brave men and women who fight this fight. Take it out (peacefully and tactfully) on the idiot policymakers who sent them into this fight UNDERARMED and UNDERPREPARED.

    We're not taking our anger out on the men and women who are fighting this war. That would be YOUR side EE, the liberal loonies, who desperately want this war effort to fail because it would mean a defeat for Bush. And that article clearly shows what the anti-war effort will do: literally spit in a soldier's face. Classy move huh?

    And the park service says that the crowd was no where near 100,000. More spin from the libs.

    You must admit Bill O Reilly is much better looking then Olbermann who is way too skinny. Bill O is a hunk!

    "And that article clearly shows what the anti-war effort will do: literally spit in a soldier's face."

    No Brandon. It shows what ONE PERSON does. ONE PERSON out of THOUSANDS. And I already said I found what he did deplorable, but I cannot control the actions of every person who is against the war nor should the entire movement be attacked by the outburst of a single person.

    I see my good friend, Lapdog, has been taking a virtual beating in my absence, and deservedly so.

    Yesterday was a moving , life affirming experience for me in our nation's capital.I enjoyed listening to all of the speakers but mostly I enjoyed walking around and talking to the good people of this country.
    You know the ones that Lapdog,Cee calls the "radical leftists".
    Let's see who these radical leftists were.The people I spoke to were mothers with 2and 3 kids in tow,a CEO, a priest, a WWII vet,a teacher,an office worker,rep from a pharmaseutical co., two soldiers and many many more.
    A true cross section of Americana !
    These are the ones Lapdog calls "pathetic, anti-troops, anti-American, radical leftists."
    And Spiro expects to be taken seriously!

    I like that new name someone gave him.
    It fits!

    "It was a pathetic, anti-troops, anti-American, radical leftist march which will have no impact on the cowardly Democrats in the Congress OR move The President towards your inhumane wishes of abandonment and human cruelty.

    bush's lapdog, cee: 1/28/07

    "A spirit of national masochism prevails, encouraged by an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

    and "They have formed their own 4-H club - the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history."

    Spiro T. Agnew
    1972

    Could Spiro have been reincarnated into Lapdog's body?
    But it is appropriate that Cee is kindred spirits with the worst president and one of the worst VP's in our nation's history.

    I particularly enjoyed speaking with the two soldiers. One who had 2 terms of duty in Iraq and the other one had one.
    One quote stuck with me. He said," This president either doesn't know what is happening in iraq or doesn't want to know.The shots you see on the news in Iraq doesn't tell even part of the story. It's worse.Much worse !"
    Also "I don't understand why we are mediating a civil war.We're just sitting ducks and not accomplishing anything."

    Very powerful stuff from the ones who know !
    (as opposed to the one who sits at home and writes his quotes from the newspaper)

    I also see the lame one was focusing on one unfortunate incident and trying to make that the penultimate moment of the day.

    He would !
    The disingenuous lappity lapdog cannot sink low enough when he's in his propagandizing mode.
    which is ...every post !

    I'm talking the talk and walking the walk.
    How bout you , Spiro ?
    When are you going to walk the walk and enlist ?
    If you are a doctor as you claim, they could use medics in all parts of iraq.
    What are you waiting for?
    Waiting to use more quotes of servicemen who would spit in YOUR face with your views ?
    What a cowardly lout this imposter, Cee is !

    Since I marched on Washington in the 70's as well as yesterday, I do see one difference.In the early 70's the anger was with Nixon's illegal escalation into Cambodia and the war in Vietnam in general.
    Yesterday's march , in addition to the war in Iraq,was about the lack of an energy policy,immigration, the environment,callousness of pushing this debt unto the next generation etc.
    There was a whole laundry list of failures and bad policy decisions.
    Christ, at least Nixon was for clean air !
    Yes, George Bush has even managed to be more of a f----up than Richard Nixon..by a large margin !
    ( and he has two more years to go !)

    As our resident lapdog for Bush drives down the road, he sees his extreme far right wing ideology fading further and further in his rear view mirror from the bulk of the good honest God fearing Americans in this country.
    It's making him anxious and very frustrated.
    And more than a little irrational.

    "The troops( protesters) are anti troops !"

    Good one , Cee !

    That's right only one person spit and only a few US Senators and Reps go abroad and villify our president. With leadership like, that I think we should literally just take a crap on the next vet you see. It's free speech man. You can say anything you want and cannot be criticized. If you are in a position representing the US, you can say whatever you want. It's okay. The soldiers in the field don't care. See the ends justify the means and as long as we can make Bush look bad, who cares about the means. We are short-sighted looney bastards and we only play the short con.

    "We're NEVER going to stop the killing over there so:
    It's them or us.
    I say we go with being more concerned with our troop's lives instead of theirs."

    Okay, thanks.

    So, I guess you think that even IF things get worse, we shouldn't be involved anyway.

    If there's massive slaughter of the Sunnis by the Shia's, if the regional powers try to intervene, if al-Qaeda is able to use parts of the country as a base for future operations against us, that's the price we'll have to pay.

    It's better to leave Iraq. The cost outweighs any benefits.

    Thanks.

    I'm probably coming to (roughly) the same conclusion. I don't think sending in more troops will have more than marginal effect. We need to cut our losses, let the Iraqis as best as they can sort things out and we stand on the sidelines.

    " It seems to REALLY bother a lot of 'conservative' people posting on this site that Olbermann's show exists at all. I have asked why many times and have never gotten an answer that makes any sense to me. It usually goes something like; "he SAYS he's a journalist", or "he SAYS it's a news show", or "this is Olbermann Watch", or....my favorite; "you don't have to post here...why don't you go to KOS". OK Mike, let me tell you why I come here. I like to watch all the cable shows .Get all sides to issues. I never liked KO going back to his ESPN days . So I guess you can claim prejudice there . I thought he was arrogant and his only humor was to belittle others with mostly sarcasm. Back when his show would be rerun I caught an episode and found it to be very one-sided and mean spirited. I watched a few more to make sure I was not mistaken . After that I wondered if anyone else saw what a shallow person he was ? His show at that time was advertised as a " news show " with KO "s witty style and humor . I found neither . It came accross as a left wing blog . His "humor ' seemed to be the the same sarcasm he used at ESPN. Mr. Bush ,whatever number of days of mission accomplished in IRAQ, worst person, etc.

    I googled KO to see if any agreed with me. What I found was that and more . I did not realize KO was a bigger jerk than I thought . In his real life as well. I did not know he claimed to be a journalist . I did not know how one sided he truly was .I did not know he hid under the desk in the Lewinsky scandal.You may ask what does that mean ? Well it shows me he is not a spokeman for the people . He could care less if Clinton was hurting this country because he liked him . But GW, no problem for KO to be for the people exposing his lies . I read a lot of posts claiming KO was a great guy and people just dont like hearing the truth. I read where he is better than the filth at FOX. I read where he is just like O'REILLY. I will agree a few people dont like hearing another side to their view, but comparing him to O'REILLY or saying he's better than FOX is bull. And for being a great guy, that's a laugh. So I guess I agree with all the reasons you posted .

    " None of those responses answers my basic question as to why so many people on this site are disturbed by the fact that KO's show exists at all? After all, it would be SO easy to just ignor it, pretend it doesn't exist, and forget about it."

    I think it answers your questions quite well.There are many really dumb blogs out there that are just cheerleading ( on both sides ) or bashing ( fox news hounds ) And the same question can be asked of you. Why are you here ? If you see this site as unnecessary cant you follow your own advice "After all, it would be SO easy to just ignor it, pretend it doesn't exist, and forget about it."

    " And finally, I think I know why KO personally doesn't like to do the "dissenting opinion" thing. It's simply not his forte, and he would not look good trying to use that format. On the other hand, it's easy to see that someone like Mathews loves and thrives with the 'debate' format, and he is very good at it, even though he may be just as biased as KO. "

    You answer your own question here.You admit KO is a boob who cant defend his opinion but matthews is good at it. Precisely why there is not a MATHEWS WATCH. Yes many disagree with Mathews too, but they know he will debate others who have a different view. I like Mathews myself . So you know it has to be more than just not liking their opinion.

    " There's no mystery here, and those of us who like KO's show fully understand that we are not getting the whole picture here. The question I have is that...do those who are bothered so much by Olbermanns existance understand that we DO fully understand that his show doesn't tell the whole story? "

    Posted by: Mike at January 28, 2007 4:25 AM

    You FINALLY understand Mike .When you first came on you admitted little about KO .You agreed with some but mostly compared him to others. Little by little you agreed more until one of your posts pointed to many of the digusting things he does and then wrote somethimg like" Ok that's out of the way can we now talk about something important ?" I have no problem with you now, but "most " people do not understand his show doesn" tell the whole story.

    I have one point to make to show it's not his message but the messenger. If you switch Ko for BOR ,those defending KO would still suppot BOR if he was doing Countdown. Right or wrong Mike ?And by your own admission KO could not handle BOR's format so what's the point of even guessing how bad he would be. But even better switch them up and let them use the formats they use now and KO would be a joke to right and left with no ratings while BOR would have the same lefties and ratings but no BOR watch because he was honest .

    I don't know why people keep saying Olbermann doesn't "thrive" on the "debate" format. He Doesn't Have To Debate Anyone! If he brings on Obama, or Hillary Clinton, he can also just bring on McCain or Mitt Romney. He doesn't have to "debate" them. He can just ask questions...you know, like a journalist is supposed to. Just give them a few minutes so that their side gets told too. Why is that so much to ask?

    Au contraire, my dear foolish professor (Bob)....look at all of the silence after my last post....except for your silliness.....

    "Yesterday was a moving , life affirming experience for me in our nation's capital."

    Are you kidding me?.....

    Professor Honeydew (Bob) returns after his Oprah moment with the above self-centered garbage!....Sorry for my cynicism but "life affirming" is about as 99 cent-store self-help book psychobable as it comes. Where's my Kleenex?

    "I also see the lame one was focusing on one unfortunate incident and trying to make that the penultimate moment of the day." Nice professor...."unfortunate" that someone like you would spit on a Veteran....what a pleasant yet arrogant response so typical of the deluded intellectual.

    Oh, and I actually will be visiting my local VA hospital on Wednesday and I'll let you know about the "cross-section" of those who have sacrificed so that you can have your love-in in DC....Please professor...your self-serving description of "Americana" does not prove your position is any more valid than it was Friday.....in fact I would say your post serves a certain "PR" agenda a little too nicely...Try disguising those lies called "color to the story" a little bit better, Professor Honeydew!

    It sure is funny that the same people protesting yesterday have claimed they are threatened to exercise their First Amendment rights under the fascists occupying The White House currently.

    Irony also comes to mind that the demands of these protesters have fallen upon the deaf ears of a Democrat controlled Congress that is afraid of its own shadow. Like I have been saying for over a week now....."cut those funds".....that is the check The Congress has on The President and they are stil languishing over terminology in a nonbinding resolution that will do nothing for the cause celeb!

    Professor Honeydew's description seems like the 60's love-ins I read about....They made the participants feel good about themselves....but only served a purpose for their fellow human being in defeat of the defenders of freedom, victory for tyranny and death for millions.

    How about the turn-out, professor?....It was all everyone was talking about yesterday and today... Less than 100K while the organizers TRIED to lie and say 400K....WHAT A JOKE!

    There is such a ground swell of opposition that I am sure Bush and The Congress will be announcing significant troop reductions in the next week.

    I want to remind the professor and those who buy into the same bankrupt, self-serving, "make me feel good about myself," tripe that their actions have grave consequences for millions....

    MEMOIR OF A REFUGEE

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/19/refugee/?arts

    Read it and discover that the biased, white-washed history the indoctrinated/indoctrinator Professor Bunsen Honeydew wants to fall asleep believing tonight is false....REAL people paid the price of America's "me generation" that poisons the debate still today....real people like Quang X. Pham.

    "By the time the last Americans were airlifted out of Saigon on April 30, 1975, Pham and his family were in Guam, on their way to a refugee camp at Fort Chaffee near Fort Smith, 120 miles west of Little Rock.

    "But his father, Pham Van Hoa, made a choice to stay with the South Vietnamese air force rather than join his family before the fall of Saigon. He was taken prisoner by the North Vietnamese for 12 years, as a part of Ho Chi Minh’s re-education of those who fought alongside U.S. forces."

    ###
    Millions of these refugees were abandoned by our country at the request of people like the professor.....and they want to do the same to the Iraqis. The "least of generations," seemed not to take anything away from their forebears..."the greatest generation."

    ME ME ME....My life was affirmed...I met, I talked, I, I, I.

    What about them?

    Irony still continues with a wonderful example of someone who abandoned service to his fellow man for a cynical romp in "feel good" radicalism and just look out for "number 1"....I will add yet another line to my signature....Professor Honeydew's and the radical left's hero....the disgraceful George McGovern.

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    cee,

    Do you think it proper to waste good space with your repeating the same words at the end of your posts? Yes, to you it is. Anything to make a point. Wasted words, wasted spaces, wasted lives, makes no difference to you. Your real signature is the ignorance you represent every time you type another post for your amusement. I really do feel sorry for you cee. You are a deluded human beibg.

    cee,

    How many quates could I or someone else with a brain post from your annointed leaders? Mission accomplished, last throes, on and on. You are silly.

    AND desperate.

    Bystander (Donora), question asked and answered...good one.

    No, I will continue to add these valuable, true, and illuminating examples of the radical left's morally vacant ideology.

    Thanks again for another opportunity!...Night!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Go for it bystander....Robert and J$ are very tolerant hosts....unlike the kos and HuffPo fascists!

    Thanks again for yet another signature!....night again....

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK


    cee,

    Thanks again for proving the point some here have been making. You are what we know you to be. why do u care what my name is at January 28, 2007 12:59 PM said it all.

    Spiro Lapdog Cee continues to harp on the actions of one person, while tens of thousands die in a war he is the head cheerleader for.

    Here is a man who considers good people from all walks of life to be "pathetic and anti American" because they are against a senseless war started and continued by a madman.

    If there ever was a more delusional human being , I haven't found him or her yet.

    If Sgt Liam Madden knew this warmonger( Cee) was using his name as a pawn in Lapdog's word games, I think Sgt Madden would probably smack the shit out of him.

    "Not one more of my brothers should die for a lie. This is my generation's call to conscience. We're not antiwar.We're not pacifists. We're anti-Iraq war."

    Sgt. Liam Madden and a host of servicemen vehemently opposing this war !

    I don't even read Cee's babble any longer.

    Reality has a well know liberal bias :

    We've been saying it for years. And more importantly, we've been right. All along the way of this six year morass, LIBERALS have been right. And now, the Iraqis are agreeing with us too.

    Many pointed out advantages to the Democrats' increased sway over Iraq policy. Government officials said they had generally found the Democratic position on handing over security to Iraqi forces sooner rather than later closer to theirs. Almost all agree on Democratic Party initiatives, squashed when Republicans controlled Congress, to prevent the building of permanent U.S. bases here. They note news reports of Democrats acknowledging the suffering of the Iraqi population.

    "I see that the Democratic ideas are more related to reality," said Ammar Tuma, a lawmaker who serves in Maliki's ruling Shiite coalition. "They talk about the real problems that the Iraqis are facing every day."

    To date, government officials said, they've also found Democratic visitors such as Pelosi, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois less parochial, more culturally sensitive and more willing to listen to Iraqi concerns than Republicans.

    "Before, Bush used to order Iraqi officials to do this and that," said one member of Maliki's Islamic Dawa Party, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The Republicans were dictating the political process in Iraq. With the Democrats in control of Congress, the Republicans are now less influential than before. It helps us in a sense to breathe a bit more and to have more freedom."

    Many of the Shiites around Maliki still harbor bitterness about the Bush administration's push to remove then-interim Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafari from his post last year. They considered the pressure inappropriate interference in Iraq's domestic affairs. They were also angered by recent remarks by Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice questioning whether Maliki was up to the job of leading Iraq.

    hell of a post above.

    It should raise some eyebrows !

    To Cee and the ceelike:

    I hope the ghosts of all those unnecessary deaths of troops and Iraqis alike haunt them the rest of their days.

    "The Iraqis favor the democrats over the republicans."

    Who doesn't ?

    To bystander (Donora Pa) and Professor Honeydew (Bob) and the others who believe the same destructive way:

    I DO NOT hope the ghosts of all those unnecessary deaths of South Vietnamese and American troops and South Vietnamese refugees haunt them the rest of their days....Why? Because I still hold the NVA as the true enemy of America, EVEN THOUGH THE SAME GROUP OF LEFTISTS IN THIS COUNTRY WERE THEIR STRONGEST ALLY (they did more to help than The Red Chinese!)

    That 12:55 AM post of bystander's is yet another example of someone who misplaces blame for the murders of innocents and their defenders.
    I should read some of the rhetoric at the rally....I am sure NO ONE mentioned radical islam or terrorism....they are the ones responsible, just like the NVA the same leftists supported in 1971.

    The simple idea that the radical left and their actions (and inaction) have caused MORE sufferring of millions in the world shows the blind devotion to a self-rightous and self-centered world-view that must be confronted at every legal avenue.

    BTW, I enjoyed NOT seeing any substantive rebuttal to my points....Amonst others, I enjoy my point that McGovern stands as the pathetic demogogue he truly became.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    The terrorists also favor the Dems over the Reublicans.

    NEWSFLASH: Democrats plan to introduce legislation to stop any racial profiling at airpoprt checkpoints. Sounds like a popular bill among the public. Bring on all the lawsuits! Lets not talk about making flying safer.

    Poor Benson,

    It is the Republicans who coddle the criminals. It is the Republicans who did NOTHING to increase our port and border security. It is the Republicans who let Osama Bin Laden go. It is the Republicans who have let the Taliban get a second hold in Afghanistan. It is the Republicans who blacked out all references to the Saudis in the first 9/11 report...

    Funny how your pathetic snippet of a nothing doesn't compare to the actual truth, eh?

    Here's something from Olbermann that pretty much explains why men like me hate girls like you neocons:

    The runner-up, speaking of bad radio, Melanie Morgan of the irrational right and KSFO in San Francisco. Back on there, repeating the story The Washington Times made up about Senator Obama going to a Muslim training school and attributing the smear not just to Senator Clinton, which also is a smear, but now to Senator Edwards as well. Three, three, three smears in one. For the damage she inflicts on her easily led listeners, Melanie Morgan might as well work for Al Qaeda.

    But our winner, comedian Rush Limbaugh. He read a made-up quote from Obama supposedly responding to an endorsement form actress Halle Berry. He later admitted it was made up, but Fatso still said, "As a Halfrican-American, I am honored to have Ms. Berry's support as well as the support of other Halfrican-Americans." Not the first time Limbaugh's used the Halfrican insult. Listen, Rush, cut to the chase here. You want to call Senator Obama a mulatto or an octoroon or something. Go for it. Hell, you want to call him the n-word. It's in your heart. Go ahead, come out from under your hood and just say it.

    Comedian Rush Limbaugh, today's "Worst Person in the World."

    To Karris56:

    Thanks for your civil and very detailed response to my january 28th, 4:25 AM post you made last night at 7:26 PM.

    I think you and I really don't have that much to quibble about regarding this show, except that one of us, on the whole, likes the show, and one of us doesn't.

    Also, if people involved with KO's show are reading this blog, they might actually take posts such as your's seriously, while I doubt if they would give much weight to the "KO is an Islamist supporter", or "fat ass" type posts.

    And JOHNNY, if you are reading this, the post you made directly below Karris56's is the single most effective piece of criticism that I have ever read of yours (In my opinion). It gave a valid piece of critical advice regarding having on conservative guests without going over the top with insulting cynicism.

    Posted by: at January 29, 2007 8:48 AM

    Nice propaganda! Push that legislation banning profiling at the airlines and I guarantee the Republicans take back the senate. You will secure the muslim voting block and alienate the rest of the country!

    Keith ripped off "Good night and good luck"
    No original thought, what a schmuck
    He'll just lift and read
    The ego he'll feed
    NBC's turning tricks for a buck

    Benson,

    >>Nice propaganda! Push that legislation banning profiling at the airlines and I guarantee the Republicans take back the senate. You will secure the muslim voting block and alienate the rest of the country!

    Turns out that you neocons don't speak for the country...hadn't you heard? It was smart of you to ignore the Republican foulups when it comes to terrorism. Almost makes ya wonder if they WANT another terrorist attack, eh?

    Have you forgotten under Clinton's watch we were attacked multiple times. Thats not to say the 9-11 he gets the assist! Idiot!

    Benson,

    Ah, this crap, eh?

    Under Clinton we were attacked once on our soil by foreign forces, less than a month after he entered office. If you want to bring attacks in other countries into this, feel free. It wouldn't compare to the number of attacks on foreign soil under the Republican loser party...

    As for the so-called "assist", I would advise that you not blame the man who had the weekly terrorist meetings and start blaming the goofball who terminated the meetings, ignored his predecessor's advice and took a six-week vacation just before the attack...

    And he calls me an idiot...

    You obviously like to read only what you think. If you think that Bush is 100% to blame for 9-11, then I have nothing to say to you. You are a partisan hack! Wake up loser!

    Cee: "I should read some of the rhetoric at the rally....I am sure NO ONE mentioned radical islam or terrorism....


    We, as citizens can't control radical Islam .
    But Bush WORKS FOR US, thus all of his blunders and continuing a war that makes us MORE UNSAFE is the duty of us citizens to stop."

    Spiro T Lapdog's logic , as usual, wouldn't even get him a passing grade in a 7th grade debate class.

    This next comment by Lapdog is why no person with the slightest shred of intelligence can take him seriously:

    "The simple idea that the radical left and their actions (and inaction) have caused MORE sufferring of millions in the world shows the blind devotion to a self-rightous and self-centered world-view that must be confronted at every legal avenue."

    It's the "radical left"that lied to us citizens and took us into this godforsaken war.It's the "radical left" that has been responsible for over 3,000 American deaths and 10 times that many permanent injuries.
    Funny, I was sure the right has been in charge the past 6 years.

    His hatred for Democrats makes him go over the edge with his insane rhetoric about the "radical left".
    I already proved what a fool he is by him characterizing CEO's, priests,young mothers with children, soldiers on leave from iraq etc. as the dreaded "radical left".

    This guy has all the ingredients of a drunk on the corner holding up a sign saying "The world is ending, Repent. "

    I wouldn't be surprised if Cee disappears from this site someday because the men in the white coats came to take him away.
    His illogical and laughable rantings are definitely straitjacket material.


    By the way- Its your assertion that "the Republicans who let Osama Bin Laden go"

    How quickly you forget old Clinton's failure to accept him after he was offered to us. Too hot to handle, huh?

    Benson,

    You never have anything of substance to say to ANYONE, son. Why pretend that it is just me?

    But, if anyone else wants to consider...why did the Bush administration punish law enforcement officers who pointed out major flaws in anti-terrorism efforts? And, before you assume, Benson, that this is "conspiracy theory", it is all documented...

    Benson,

    The 9/11 commission already determined that there were NO bona fide offers of Bin Laden to Clinton...

    You should read the news, son...

    I love watching the spin by the right wingers with the news that :

    Iraqi Government officials said they had generally found the Democratic position on handing over security to Iraqi forces sooner rather than later closer to theirs. Almost all agree on Democratic Party initiatives, squashed when Republicans controlled Congress, to prevent the building of permanent U.S. bases here. They note news reports of Democrats acknowledging the suffering of the Iraqi population.

    "I see that the Democratic ideas are more related to reality," said Ammar Tuma, a lawmaker who serves in Maliki's ruling Shiite coalition. "They talk about the real problems that the Iraqis are facing every day."

    To date, government officials said, they've also found Democratic visitors such as Pelosi, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois less parochial, more culturally sensitive and more willing to listen to Iraqi concerns than Republicans.

    Every step of the way the republicans have FAILED, BIG TIME in this war on terror.
    The American people see it and now we find out even the Iraqis see it.
    Yet the wingnuts will keep polluting the air with their spin and propaganda.
    They are a complete joke !

    "I see that the Democratic ideas are more related to reality," said Ammar Tuma, a lawmaker who serves in Maliki's ruling Shiite coalition.

    Yes, we know. That's why we voted the a--holes out , in November.

    100% Bush- He is all bad... I get your viewpoints, but will never agree.

    Bob- Thankfully you have Olbermann who completely agrees with you. You'd think that the senate and house were 100% democrats by the way you flash that mandate you claim to have!

    NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - The leader of an Iraqi cult who claimed to be the Mahdi, a messiah-like figure in Islam, was killed in a battle on Sunday near Najaf with hundreds of his followers, Iraq's national security minister said on Monday.

    Now we know what Pelosi was doing there.

    Taking on the Escalation -- Vets Leading the Way

    For too many years, those of us who advocate a responsible use of our military, and thus have spoken against the President's failed Iraq policy, have been falsely tagged as against the troops by the Bush Administration, neo-conservatives, and their cronies. Today, that all changes.

    VoteVets.org, the leading political group of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans, is launching a television advertisement that makes it crystal clear - opposing the President's escalation of the war in Iraq means you are supporting the troops.
    VoteVets.org is joining organizations such as SEIU (Service Employees International Union), and Center for America Progress as founding members of Americans Against Escalation in Iraq. I am proud to say that I am an active Board of Advisors Member to VoteVets.org, and even prouder of how they are taking up the fight and leading the way in opposing the President's folly.

    The President's new so-called plan for Iraq amounts to nothing more than "Stay the Course," a futile exercise akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    More than 20,000 troops are being sent into harm's way for a mission that is not achievable by military power alone. Changing our approach in Iraq must go hand in hand with fixing a regional strategy that has been an abject failure. As I noted in my USA Today op-ed published in November, much of which was picked up by the non-partisan Iraq Study Group when it came out against an escalation of the war, what is needed now is more diplomacy that brings all the players to the table, including our enemies. Absent of this, the President is sending the troops needlessly into harm's way. That's not how you support the military and its members.

    VoteVets.org is backing up the launch of their ad with a two-day, seven-city tour, to pressure those Senators who are on the fence regarding escalation to oppose the President's plan and change the strategy in Iraq. These young veterans are not just content to buy air time - they are taking the fight to Senators' home turf and making them answer the question, "Are you with the President, or are you with the troops?"

    My friend Max Cleland said of VoteVets.org, "These are the young turks of the veterans world, a counterweight to the hard-core radical right... They are a powerful force in this guerilla war for the moral high ground of who really represents America's vets."

    I couldn't agree more. This is the group leading the way for policies that truly support our troops and veterans, and I ask you, if you are not already a member, to join me in supporting VoteVets.org.

    Gen Wesley Clark

    Benson forgets that his boys started this war in iraq, botched the handling of it, and have been wrong every step of the way while the GOP led Congress played with themselves while this all occurred.

    Benson must have amnesia.

    Bob- changing the subject?

    "100% Bush- he is all bad... I get your viewpoints, but I wll never agree"...anon 11:30 AM.

    Is Bush ALL bad??

    Lets see if I can think of something good? .... um..... well..... uh..... maybe so.... hum... I don't know... no, not that either?

    I know, I like his 2 dogs!

    Air America Radio, in Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings since October, will be rescued at the 11th hour by Manhattan real estate developer Stephen L. Green.

    Al Franken, the best-known host of the liberal network, will announce his expected departure on his show later today, to explore a run for the U.S. Senate from Minnesota.

    Green is the brother of Mark Green, the New York Democrat who served as the city's public advocate in the 90s and ran for mayor against Michael Bloomberg in 2001.

    He has already signed a letter of intent, and plans to finalize a purchase agreement within the week.

    Air America CEO Scott Elberg confirmed the sale. "This is a great thing, for our affiliates, the company, the audience and every employee in our organization."

    Green is chairman of SL Green Realty Corp, a real estate investment trust specializing in office buildings with a market cap of $12 billion.

    Brother Mark is a frequent guest on Air America, and sat in for David Bender, the host of the Air America show Politically Direct, for a couple of weeks earlier this month.

    When Franken leaves the network in a few weeks, he'll be replaced by Thom Hartmann, who already has a syndicated show on the network's lineup.

    I always have been perplexed how people like Grim, Cecilia and the rest could possible ignore the overwhelming evidence on what is causing global warming, and hold on to their arcaic beliefs.
    It appears they bought into the following:

    In a quarter-page advertorial in Thursday's New York Times, ExxonMobil launched a new greenwashing campaign to salvage its earned reputation as Earth's number one global warming villain. For over a decade the giant oil company has waged a successful multi-million dollar propaganda campaign to deceive the public about global warming. Using phony think tanks like the Competitive Enterprise Institute, scientists-for-hire called biostitutes, slick public relations firms, and their indentured servants in the political process, they have intentionally defrauded the public by promoting the notion that global warming is a hoax or a sketchy theory that requires more study.

    Now I understand.They bought it hook , line and sinker!

    Bob- changing the subject?

    Posted by: at January 29, 2007 11:45 AM

    Please provide a program or agenda so I know what to follow.

    You guys got NOTHING, so this is what you post.
    TDF.

    When you see that your points have been wrong, discredited and woefully without merit,God gave you a brain to THINK.
    Thus, a reasonably bright person would adjust their views accordingly.

    When you wingnuts see that your War in Iraq has been a miserable failure,as has your president, along with other issues such as global warming and you keep spouting off posts trying to deny these facts,just makes you look....how can I put it....stupid !

    You have the bulk of the American people , now plus the Iraqis telling you that the Republicans ARE NOT getting the job done ( to put it mildly)how many lies must you tell yourself to think you still have the upper hand and the high moral ground ?

    Experts See Peril in Bush Health Proposal


    Published: January 28, 2007

    WASHINGTON, Jan. 27 - With his proposal to uproot a tax break that has been in place for more than 60 years, President Bush has touched off an impassioned debate over the future of the employer-based system that provides health insurance to more than half of all Americans.


    "Changing the tax code is a vital and necessary step to making health care affordable for more Americans," Mr. Bush said in his State of the Union address this week.

    Mr. Bush said his proposal would eliminate a bias in the tax code that strongly favored insurance provided by employers over coverage bought by individuals and families outside the workplace.

    Paul Fronstin, director of health research at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan organization, said: "The president's proposal would mean the end of employer-based benefits as we know them. It gives employers a way out of providing the benefits because their employees could get the same tax break on their own.

    You willing to give up your health benefits for the (right wing ) cause ?
    Didn't think so.

    Bob,

    It's simple: The poor will be able to pay for insurance with the savings from taxes that they don't have to pay...

    Mike,

    Are you saying that Bush's economic policies have been poor? Your previous post seems to indicate that you find that inadequate as well.

    And JOHNNY, if you are reading this, the post you made directly below Karris56's is the single most effective piece of criticism that I have ever read of yours (In my opinion). It gave a valid piece of critical advice regarding having on conservative guests without going over the top with insulting cynicism.

    Posted by: Mike at January 29, 2007 10:07 AM

    I assumed that you understood that news shows have the option of interviewing guests of opposing opinion separately (which is the method they generally use) or together.

    That you seemed to be thinking that I was arguing that olbermann should turn Countdown into the image of the defunct Crossfire or even Hannity and Colmes, does, in your instance, explain some of the resistence to the idea of Olbermann airing contrasting views and debate of those views.

    This would relieve all of my subsequent shock and amazement at such resistence, if I believed that most Olbermann fans or "newscaster" Olbermann, himsself, were resistent to anything other than giving a nanosecond's platform to any idea they don't embrace.

    Which, as I have said, is particularly ironic since they'd expect that fundamental tenet of journalism were they appearing on any network news show and enjoy such an environment here on this site every day.

    By the way- love how you all generalize counterpoints.
    When I bash Democrats on terror- I get the "bush f---ed up the war" canned response. Either they are related or not. You can't have it both ways.

    FYI: I was prowar at the time of the invasion on Iraq and agree that THIS administration has made many misteps (every move was NOT a mistake). So to lump me with the neocons is inacurrate. But I believe our mission is not done.

    I actually happened to sit at a bar after dinner next to a recently retired high level general who game me ample information to make me pissed at Bush. He reflected on each of Rumsfeld's decisions and how they affected the battlefront. Some were really succesful and some were disasters. Unfortunately, each bad decision takes months (maybe years) to reverse. He is very supportive of the war, but feels we needed to block out the 'liberals' who are politicizing the war. It does far more damage than you realize. He actually believes that a strong push to wipe out the radical fringe in Iraq will allow us to pull back most of our troops at years end (This year). That would be a victory. Pull out now and it will be considered a defeat. Pick your outcome.

    Or does it hurt too much for you to imagine Bush with a second 'mission accomplished' that means something?

    Ah, Benson,

    You didn't bash the democrats. All you said was that they wanted to do away with racial profiling. Of course, you said it as if it were going to be a problem, ignoring the fact that terrorists can walk into this country whenever they like and ship whatever they like into this country. If our army turns up the heat on the Iraqis, the outside influences will either quit coming in until we leave or come in in dribs and drabs until our forces, along with our treasury, are exhausted. Perfect for Iran to have us waste money and people next door to them...

    To get a little perspective on some of the excerpts on the article that our Chuckie-Bob in all his "PhD" nuance-sensing glory has been commenting upon, here's a large portion of the rest of the story: (See the bottom of this post for another source of context from one of the govt officials mentioned in this piece...)

    "Before, Bush used to order Iraqi officials to do this and that," said one member of Maliki's Islamic Dawa Party, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The Republicans were dictating the political process in Iraq. With the Democrats in control of Congress, the Republicans are now less influential than before. It helps us in a sense to breathe a bit more and to have more freedom."

    Many of the Shiites around Maliki still harbor bitterness about the Bush administration's push to remove then-interim Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafari from his post last year. They considered the pressure inappropriate interference in Iraq's domestic affairs. They were also angered by recent remarks by Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice questioning whether Maliki was up to the job of leading Iraq.

    The Republican Party's election drubbing not only elevated Democrats, but also emboldened Maliki, who has begun criticizing the American president almost as much as Bush's deputies criticized him.

    "I understand and realize that inside the American administration there is some kind of a crisis situation, especially after the results of the last election," he told reporters this month.

    "It's more balanced now," said the Dawa Party member who asked not to be named. "What we're seeing is Mr. Maliki criticizing Bush. You didn't have that before."

    After weeks of icy relations and criticism, including a televised interview in which Bush faulted Maliki for the way the execution of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein was handled, the two men spoke Saturday by phone. It was the first time they had talked since Bush outlined his new Iraq policy. It was also the day Pelosi and a delegation of lawmakers wrapped up meetings with Iraqi officials.

    "Now it's different because [the Democrats] have some decision-making power," said Farooq Abdullah, a Maliki advisor. "Before, we were meeting mostly with the Republicans because they were the ones in power. Now we're meeting with both of them."


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    daragahi@latimes.com

    Times staff writer Richard Serrano in Washington contributed to this report.


    Here's another article in which Ammar Tuma "a lawmaker who serves in Maliki's ruling Shiite coalition" (from the piece Bob quotes) is mentioned again in connnection with what is characterized as:

    "The Iraqi government plans to establish a military unit to safeguard efforts in Samarra to rebuild one of Shiite Islam's most important shrines, a move criticized by Sunni Arabs as provocative and by some U.S. officials here as ill-conceived."

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-samarra29jan29,1,7140321.story?coll=la-news-a_section

    I doubt Pelosi and company will be so touched by the comments that they'll get entirely on board with the Shites. However, our learned "Professor".... Bob only recognizes politics as usual, when it has (R) after its name...

    Bob only recognizes politics as usual, when it has (R) after its name...

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 1:08 PM

    What does your rhetoric have to do with the MAIN IDEA OF THE PIECE?
    The Iraqis feel that the Democrats can now help them run the country THE WAY THEY SEE FIT better than when the republicans were mucking things up.
    Isn't that the crux of the reason we are there?
    For the Iraqis to run their own country?
    As usual, Ceals goes but...but..but....but... and still misses the main idea !

    Oh, the horrors of some individuals owning their own health insurance plans and having insurance companies competing for their dollars, instead of employers calling the shots.

    Oh, the terror of introducing some semblance of natural economic forces such as consumerism into the health insurance purchasing mix...

    Oh, the shock of individual choice...

    Oh, the hand-wringing that every change won't result in instant utopia...


    Oh, the desire to shoot it down before some problems can be hammered out...

    Cecelia:

    I don't recall ever saying I thought Olbermanns' show was perfect. I would certainly 'tweak' it if I could.

    Just like friends, you have to take the bad along with the good.

    Redstate:

    I see that you have addressed me in a manner I have never seen you do before. Thank you!

    Before I address your question though, I would like to know if you are really interested in having a civil dialoque with me or not?

    If so, I'm perfectly willing to do that.

    Bob,

    It's simple: The poor will be able to pay for insurance with the savings from taxes that they don't have to pay...

    Posted by: at January 29, 2007 12:19 PM

    It's so simple, says the simpleton.

    Paul Fronstin, director of health research at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan organization, said: "The president's proposal would mean the end of employer-based benefits as we know them.

    "END OF EMPLOYEE -BASED BENEFITS"!
    not just the poor( which obviously you could care less about) but ALL employees.

    What does your rhetoric have to do with the MAIN IDEA OF THE PIECE?
    The Iraqis feel that the Democrats can now help them run the country THE WAY THEY SEE FIT better than when the republicans were mucking things up.
    Isn't that the crux of the reason we are there?
    For the Iraqis to run their own country?
    As usual, Ceals goes but...but..but....but... and still misses the main idea !

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 1:34 PM

    No, the crux of the matter is to try and walk a fine line between Shite and Sunni and to maintain some equilibrium by insisting the govt there do that as well.

    I've no doubt Dem pols and all pols, for that matter, know the game when they see it played by Mr. Tuma and company, and take such glad-handing with a grain of salt.

    You, on the other hand, attended the Al Franken Graduate School of Partisan Politics, and prove yourself up to that level of sophistication every day.

    He actually believes that a strong push to wipe out the radical fringe in Iraq will allow us to pull back most of our troops at years end (This year). That would be a victory. Pull out now and it will be considered a defeat. Pick your outcome.

    Or does it hurt too much for you to imagine Bush with a second 'mission accomplished' that means something?

    Posted by: benson at January 29, 2007 12:44 PM

    It must be wonderful living in Benson's wonderland, with "tangerine trees and marmalade pies"....

    Paul Fronstin, director of health research at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan organization, said: "The president's proposal would mean the end of employer-based benefits as we know them.

    "END OF EMPLOYEE -BASED BENEFITS"!
    not just the poor( which obviously you could care less about) but ALL employees.


    Oh, my God! Paul Fronstin says this! THE Paul Fronstin! The man who knows what's going happen before there's even a plan ironed out! Well, if Paul Fronstin says it and it's a Republican plan THAT clinches it!

    No, the crux of the matter is to try and walk a fine line between Shite and Sunni and to maintain some equilibrium by insisting the govt there do that as well.

    No..the crux of the matter is that the iraqis feel the Democrats can help them better than the republicans did.
    That was the gist of the article.But since it didn't fit into Ceals' near sighted world view, she's back at it again,distorting the integrity of the piece.

    Cecilia: wrong again, naturally !

    There she goes again, with Paul Fronstin.
    Meanwhile back in reality, Ceals supports a president that has been wrong with just about everything he has touched,but thinks THIS TIME he'll get it right !

    How funny is that !

    Cecelia:

    I don't recall ever saying I thought Olbermanns' show was perfect. I would certainly 'tweak' it if I could.

    Just like friends, you have to take the bad along with the good.

    Posted by: Mike at January 29, 2007 1:35 PM

    Well, that might be more persuasive if you didn't have a history of launching into nonsensical bits about Fox News and neocons when an appeal for the same sort of "tweaking" is suggested by people who don't hold your and Olbermann's views.

    Cecilia attends George Bush Republican University where they teach you to not question the 100% failure rate they have.
    Ceals is their top honor student !
    (and proud as a peacock)

    "Meanwhile back in reality, Ceals supports a president that has been wrong with just about everything he has touched,but thinks THIS TIME he'll get it right !

    How funny is that !"


    Yes, folks, this is what passes for reasoning in the Al Franken Graduate School of Politics.

    No, putz, hopefully "WE" as in the president and congress can iron out something that will get it right.

    Cecilia attends George Bush Republican University where they teach you to not question the 100% failure rate they have.
    Ceals is their top honor student !
    (and proud as a peacock)


    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 1:54 PM

    And Bob just hopes for failure. Period.

    (01-29) 04:00 PST Washington -- Three days in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have made House Speaker Nancy Pelosi even more certain of her view that moving troops out of Iraq is the best way to bring stability to the region, she told The Chronicle on Sunday.

    Speaking from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany, Pelosi said the nation owes its troops a better policy than the one now being pursued by President Bush, and emphasized the importance of reconstructing the war-torn region.

    As Congress prepares to challenge the president's Iraq policy, Pelosi offered no indication that her meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had softened her opposition to Bush's plan to send 21,500 more American troops into the war.

    no,putz,hopefully "WE" as in the president and congress can iron out something that will get it right.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 1:55 PM

    No, bitch, we have seen Bush's success rate.Let's leave Bush out of this equation.
    I don't want his failure -tinged hands touching anything for the next 2 years.

    Most of the republicans have tuned him out, the american PEOPLE HAVE tuned him out and the Congress was elected to do things THEIR WAY.

    George should just go back to the ranch and do what he does best.
    Clear out brush !

    And Bob just hopes for failure. Period.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 1:57 PM

    Actually I'm still an optimistic person ( with the Democrats in charge)
    This country has had nothing but failure the past 6 years with your boys in charge.

    Yet, Ceals tends to forget that minor detail.
    That's OK, Ceals, no one's perfect.

    Cecelia:

    You seem to be in a little bit of an 'attack' mode at the moment, for some reason...but thats OK.

    I don't recall saying things 'nonsensical' about Fox news, but who knows, I've said a lot. I admit to not watching a lot of Fox because when I do, they often seem just too over the top right leaning for my taste...or just as often, they spend too much time discussing culture issues that I'm personally not very interested in. I really believe a lot of these things are manufactured issues. All of this has little to do with what guests they choose to have on.

    I personally see a lot of bias in Fox because with almost every issue that I see discussed, the pundits seem to state opinions as 'fact', and then express amazement as to why the 'liberals' just won't see. They also seem to spend an amazing amount of time attacking the rest of the media.

    As for the 'Neocons', thats another story altogether. Yes, I remain personally very angry at the Neocoms for what they have put out country through....un-necessarily, in my opinion.

    Also, please also remember that I had never written on a blog in my life before I started doing so on this one, just before the election. I HAVE learned a few things.

    "As Congress prepares to challenge the president's Iraq policy, Pelosi offered no indication that her meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had softened her opposition to Bush's plan to send 21,500 more American troops into the war."

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 1:58 PM


    Or has it strengthened her resolve to follow the demands of war protestor, Marine Sgt. Liam Madden, who states, "We will not tolerate the rhetoric that we must support the troops by funding a war that puts them in harm's way.

    If you are funding a war that puts them in harm's way, you are not supporting them. You are endangering their lives for a war that cannot be justified, has not been justified and will not work."

    Meanwhile Madden's self-proclaimed pal, Chuckie-Bob talks out of both sides of his mouth...



    GOP Stalls On Minimum Wage To Avoid Iraq Votes

    The majority of Senate Republicans filibustering and delaying the passage of a new minimum wage law may be heartless, but they're not dumb. They know that bumping the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour is enormously popular with the American people and they're also aware that it passed by huge numbers in the House of Representatives, with 80 Republicans voting in favor of helping the working poor.

    So why the stalling? Why put off the inevitable with over 100 nonsensical amendments, while already voting once against ending debate on a clean minimum wage bill?

    Well, folks, it's kind of like the Seinfeld episode, where George Costanza knows his girlfriend is about to break up with him so he just ducks her -- breaks dates, pretends he's not home, doesn't answer the phone, reasoning that if he can stall her by not being available, she can't break up with him.

    Except in this case, the Republicans figure that if they can keep the Senate occupied indefinitely with an open-and-shut thing like a minimum wage increase, they can avoid the thing they fear most -- having to vote on any of the myriad Iraq-war resolutions waiting in the wings.

    This country has had nothing but failure the past 6 years with your boys in charge.

    Yet, Ceals tends to forget that minor detail.
    That's OK, Ceals, no one's perfect.

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:11 PM

    Well, Bob, while the hyperbolically partisan spiel that "this country has had nothing but failure in the past 6 years" tends to forget minor details such as not having been attacked by terrorist again, and an economy that is surging despite a very costly war, this still all works to show that you are indeed perfect.

    You're a perfect leftist jackass.

    Cecelia,

    (Now unless you have experience in dealing with the mentally ill, I would suggest you continue cautiously.)

    Professor Bunsen Honeydew (Bob) has declared The President irrelevant.

    This is just a delusion from his "high" he attained at the "life affirming" event he attended this weekend. The group hug he participated in has a tendency to promote delusions of grandeur....the next one will likely result in the professor believing he has been named Secretary of State.

    My advise.....
    I would post in low, comforting tones, do not question his interpretations of events and, above all else.....try not to laugh.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "GOP Stalls On Minimum Wage To Avoid Iraq Votes"

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:14 PM

    Unattributed source for the above: The Huffington Post...

    Bravo Cecelia-
    I am so glad that I don't through life with a stick stuck so far up my ass that the world looks glum and dark like those bitter asses.

    There she goes again.Using Sgt Madden to make a point.
    Ceals is chiding me, the democrats etc. for not cutting off funds.( as if I'm in control of the funds)
    WHEN IT'S THE LAST THING SHE WOULD WANT HAPPEN.

    Plus, our pampered housewife continues to insist the Democrats DO SOMETHING, while she never even made a peep the last 6 years when her GOP congress was in control....and did nada.

    Funny how you won't even offer the Democrats the courtesy of a little time .They are proceeding in an adult and reasonable manner.
    They've been busy passing bills, something that republicans wouldn't understand. Especially when you consider one of them was an ETHICS bill.
    Now we know, you being a dyein the wool republican, wouldn't understand THAT bill.

    Ceals is following her idol Lapdog down that road of claiming the title of most disingenous person at this site.


    Ceals using a quote of Sgt Madden's to make her point is as ridiculous as if I would use a quote by Ann Coulter to make my point.
    The good Sgt would not like you very much Cecilia, and all you'd have to do is open your mouth for him to see that.


    "Not one more of my brothers should die for a lie. This is my generation's call to conscience. We're not antiwar.We're not pacifists. We're anti-Iraq war."

    Sgt. Liam Madden and a host of servicemen vehemently opposing this war !

    "try not to laugh."
    Posted by: cee at January 29, 2007 2:28 PM

    The only way I can manage that is to imagine his poor students.

    "GOP Stalls On Minimum Wage To Avoid Iraq Votes"

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:14 PM

    Unattributed source for the above: The Huffington Post...

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 2:28 PM

    Oh My God, alert the press..or maybe the "internets"as your idol would say.
    An article from Huffington post !
    The horror of it all !

    Actually it's an article from Bob Geiger.

    Let's look at Bob Geiger's resume, Ceals, and then you can compare yours with his.
    Don't be shy. You can post your resume right here on Olbermann watch.

    Bob Geiger is a writer, activist and Democratic operative in Westchester County, NY. He is the award-winning author of the Yellow Dog Blog and BobGeiger.com and specializes in coverage of the United States Senate. Bob began his political career at San Francisco State University where he served as a representative on the student legislature and received a degree in Economics, while minoring in Journalism.

    As a writer, he won the 2005 Weblog Awards prize for Best New Blog and was a finalist in the Koufax Awards in 2005 for his column "I Know This Little Boy in New Orleans."

    And your resume , Cecilia:

    POST HERE:

    (Bob) has declared The President irrelevant.

    Says Spiro T Lapdog.

    yes, Spiro, he is irrelevant. He's the lamest lame duck ever.

    Ceals using a quote of Sgt Madden's to make her point is as ridiculous as if I would use a quote by Ann Coulter to make my point.
    The good Sgt would not like you very much Cecilia, and all you'd have to do is open your mouth for him to see that.


    "Not one more of my brothers should die for a lie. This is my generation's call to conscience. We're not antiwar.We're not pacifists. We're anti-Iraq war."

    Sgt. Liam Madden and a host of servicemen vehemently opposing this war !


    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:30 PM

    Chucks, do you look at Madden and see him only as someone who opposes Bush? Read HIS words!

    If you think the Sgt wouldn't like me, imagine how he'd feel about you, his champion, posting news pieces of the Democrat leadership not taking a strong stand on defunding the war.

    "All we are sayin'....is give peace a chance...."

    The professor is now in a fugue state believing he is John Lennon and will soon strip down, run outside and search for Yoko and Annie Leibowitz....

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK


    And your resume , Cecilia:

    POST HERE:

    Posted by: at January 29, 2007 2:37 PM

    What's my name got to do with it? I'll post several articles from Bob's peers. We'll start with the award winning Charles krauthammer and perhaps we'll follow with former ABC news chief washington correspondent and Emmy winner Brit Hume's take.

    I trust you'll be as respectful to these honored men...

    If you think the Sgt wouldn't like me, imagine how he'd feel about you, his champion, posting news pieces of the Democrat leadership not taking a strong stand on defunding the war.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 2:41 PM

    Considering Sgt Madden has the same exact views as myself, I think he'd be a little bit more in my corner.

    As I made myself very clear, HOW COME YOU DON'T HOLD THE REPUBLICANS TO THE SAME IMPATIENT FOOT TAPPING AND CONDEMNATION AS THE DEMOCRATS.
    Could you be that same partisian person when you mentioned Al franken?

    No,,you're much worse.
    You want the Democrats to be irresponsible, so you can blast them for that too,
    You really are an ignorant bitch aren't you?

    If they DEFUNDED the war the first week while in control,that would be irresponsible.
    As I have said, they are proceeding in a timely professional manner.

    And if and when they DO defund the war, will you then use your shrill pulpit to condemn them for not doing it FAST enough, WHEN IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT THEM TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    My oh my ! Could your empty headed views be any more transparent !

    And if and when they DO defund the war, will you then use your shrill pulpit to condemn them for not doing it FAST enough, WHEN IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT THEM TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    My oh my ! Could your empty headed views be any more transparent !


    I think cecilia just got a chill up her spine with being nailed like that as if she was looking directly at her own reflection.

    Brit Hume. Now there's an honest impartial journalist !

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Could Brit have looked any more sad on election night?

    He looked like his dog just died.

    yeah Cecilia, post some Brit Humes stories.
    We could use more laughs than you're already providing for us.

    "January 27th was an extraordinary outpouring for peace in Washington DC and in communities all around the country. On Saturday, the National Mall was filled with the voices of 500,000 people committed to doing their part to end the war in Iraq and bring all of the troops home. And the energy in this massive turnout was electric."

    From http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

    Oh, ok.....a half million were on the mall...."surrounding the capital." First....the mall entends out from The Capital Buliding, and second.....you would not be able to fit 500K in the mall area even if you went past the Washington Monument towards the Lincoln Memorial!

    Lies.

    I'll believe that crowd estimate when Professor Honeydew (Bob) is named Secretary of State.

    500,000 people in DC on Saturday and no one seemed to mention this in their coverage.

    Well professor, you were there....How many were REALLY there?

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Anyone who doesn't understand how pathetic Keith Olbermann is, is not worthy of holding a lucid, thought-provoking conversation.

    Anyone who doesn't like a network (FOX NEWS) simply because it doesn't have a policy of hostility toward conservative Americans is also unworthy of seriousness. They are blinded by their own political agenda.

    uh oh.....look out.....Rosie (Buskill) has joined in......The professor has found his Yoko!.....

    Where's Annie with her camera?

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    If they DEFUNDED the war the first week while in control,that would be irresponsible.
    As I have said, they are proceeding in a timely professional manner.

    And if and when they DO defund the war, will you then use your shrill pulpit to condemn them for not doing it FAST enough, WHEN IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT THEM TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    My oh my ! Could your empty headed views be any more transparent !

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:55 PM

    The only reason I mention Madden is that you supposedly marched with him this past weekend and are now engaged in posting news pieces here today where Pelosi is engaging in everything but what the very determined Sgt wants to happen NOW.

    How convinced are we supposed to be that you really support or even understand what Madden is agitating for, when you post articles that belie what he calls his "generation's call to conscious" in order to annoy any war support in the vicinity?

    Frankly, I think Madden would agree that you're more anti-Bush than anti-war.

    Speaking of Ann Coulter:
    On NBC's Crossing Jordan last night, a new term was introduced into the American vernacular: ACS or Ann Coulter Syndrome.

    "So how long have you suffered from ACS? Ann Coulter Syndrome; wherein the afflicted gain strength through the hatred of others."

    Lapdog and Ceals have a bad case of ACS.
    Doctor , Doctor, give them a cure, they've got a bad case of ACS.

    And not the phony type of doctor like Lapdog.

    Frankly, I think Madden would agree that you're more anti-Bush than anti-war.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 3:07 PM

    I was antiwar when George Bush was snorting grams of cocaine like they were going out of style.

    You can't be antiwar and PRO-BUSH.

    So as usual, Ceals, you have your head up your ass.


    AFTER COOKING HIS GOOSE IN IRAQ, FAILURE GLUTTON BUSH RESUMES NEOCON RECIPE FOR DISASTER

    -- 1) Cook Up War With Iraq, 2) Cook Up War With Iran, 3) Cook Up War With Syria --

    WASHINGTON - Deeply distrustful of Iran, President Bush said Monday "we will respond firmly" if Tehran escalates its military actions in Iraq and threatens American forces or Iraqi citizens. Bush's warning was the latest move in a bitter and more public standoff between the United States and Iran. The White House expressed skepticism about Iran's plans to greatly expand its economic and military ties with Iraq. The United States has accused Iran of supporting terrorism in Iraq and supplying weapons to kill American forces. "If Iran escalates its military actions in Iraq to the detriment of our troops and -- or innocent Iraqi people, we will respond firmly," Bush said in an interview with National Public Radio.


    And if and when they DO defund the war, will you then use your shrill pulpit to condemn them for not doing it FAST enough, WHEN IT'S THE LAST THING YOU WANT THEM TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    My oh my ! Could your empty headed views be any more transparent !


    I think cecilia just got a chill up her spine with being nailed like that as if she was looking directly at her own reflection.

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 29, 2007 3:00 PM

    Another child non-prodigy speaks...

    The point is (to use Bob's caps) IT'S THE FIRST THING THE GUY BOB MARCHED WITH WEEKEND WANTS THEM TO DO AND HE'S POSTING ARTICLES ON MONDAY ABOUT THEM DOING ANYTHING BUT WHAT HE MARCHED FOR THIS WEEKEND.

    and all merely to try to annoy some poster on a blog site. I'm sure Madden would just love Bob's seriousness to the cause with that.

    Well, that's all over your head, anyway, Bushkill.

    This is just a guess, but I think Sgt. Madden is probably not a big fan of George Bush.

    It's funny how the right wingers keep quoting an anti-Iraq war SGT. as if they agree with him.

    He's antiIraq war , Ceceila.

    Are you?

    Can you identify with that ?

    You can't be antiwar and PRO-BUSH.

    So as usual, Ceals, you have your head up your ass.


    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 3:11 PM

    The point is, you can't be pro-Madden on the weekend and then start defending non-defunding on Monday, Bob.

    To say your head is up your posterior would be making excuses for your brain.

    Let's see:
    Lapdog and Ceals are FOR THE Iraq war and AGAINST cutting off the funds for that war, so they both quote an Iraq War vet who is AGAINST the war and FOR cutting off funds.

    And you two can't see how ridiculous you are?

    Yes, you two certainly both have the high moral ground on this debate!

    NOT.

    This is just a guess, but I think Sgt. Madden is probably not a big fan of George Bush.

    It's funny how the right wingers keep quoting an anti-Iraq war SGT. as if they agree with him.

    He's antiIraq war , Ceceila.

    Are you?

    Can you identify with that ?


    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 29, 2007 3:16 PM

    Genius... that Madden isn't a big fan of Bush is a given. That he doesn't agree with me is a given.

    Neither Bush nor I are marching with him in protests of the war and yelling "right-on" to his rhetoric likening the funding of the war with supporting the war, and then turning around and spinning for the Dem's position of non-defunding on a blog site the next day.

    BOB IS.

    Good one, professor...."ACS." I guess since your hatred of George Bush motivates you to the heights of psychosis you can relate....

    Oh yeah...."BDS....Bush Derangement Syndrome"

    Just about as funny as ACS.....nevermind....

    Please professor, your psychiatric illness is in the DSM....Funny political jokes from TV shows are not necessary for your derangement.....

    Allow me to help you as a concerned medical professional....

    The pink capsule is for when you think you're Lennon.....The yellow one is for stopping those telepathic messsages from George McGovern that instruct you to burn your drivers licence.

    OK? Goooood!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    And you two can't see how ridiculous you are?

    Yes, you two certainly both have the high moral ground on this debate!

    NOT.

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 3:21 PM

    And you're marching with a guy who accuses the Democrat leadership of tacitly supporting the war by not defunding it, inferring that he's your soul mate, and then spinning for not defunding the next day.

    We never claimed to be Madden supporters. YOU DID. I'd say something about what you're doing today being the antithesis of the moral highground but I doubt you can process the concept.

    yeah Cecilia, post some Brit Humes stories.
    We could use more laughs than you're already providing for us.

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 29, 2007 3:03 PM

    Be careful, Bushkill. "at" is going to ask you what your credentials are in criticising the fair-mindedness of the highly credentialed Hume...

    The point is, you can't be pro-Madden on the weekend and then start defending non-defunding on Monday, Bob.


    Again you're wrong. Because the Democrats haven't got to that point yet, means they're NOT going to defund the war?

    They are passing resolutions (obviously non binding) to show the president where they stand. . THEY ARE ACTUALLY GIVING YOUR PATHETIC PRESIDENT A CHANCE TO CHANGE HIS MISTAKE RIDDEN POLICY !

    if he doesn't, then THAT is the time to cut the funds.
    And if they don't, then I'll strongly disagree with that.

    Now your stance is:
    "I don't want the funds cut, but I'll tell all the liberals they should support having the funds cut."
    Which point has more merit ?

    I'm sure you won't answer, and just ((((((((((spin away))))))))


    Cecelia is so good....."Neither Bush nor I are marching with [Madden] in protests of the war and yelling "right-on" to his rhetoric likening the funding of the war with supporting the war, and then turning around and spinning for the Dem's position of non-defunding on a blog site the next day.

    "BOB IS"

    ###
    Amen sister.....you nailed it....

    My point is, "CALLING A BLUFF" Professor Honeydew and Rosie....and The Dems are STILL holding their piss-poor hand (likely a pair of 3's).....

    I want full funding of the troops to win in Iraq as The President will request in February in a supplemental WAR funding request.....What do you want "peace marchers?" What will The Congressional Democrats DO?

    I'll be waiting along for the answers along with that crowd size answer from several posts ago......

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK


    The delusional Lapdog speaks:

    Yawn!

    The pink capsule is for when you think you're Lennon.....The yellow one is for stopping those telepathic messsages from George McGovern that instruct you to burn your drivers licence.

    OK? Goooood!

    cee

    Good lord! They all have the abstract reasoning abilities of a pekinguese.

    Lapdog...please explain to everyone how the troops are anti troops?

    How CEO's and priests are "pathetic dirty hippies"?

    The only thing pathetic is your continuing support for a war that is not working. That continues to take more American lives every single day.
    For a president who is more concerned for his legacy than the safety of our troops.

    Answer the top two questions or go back to your streetcorner and scream the end is near !

    Posted by Matt - 3:05 PM:

    "Anyone who doesn't like a network (Fox News) simply because it doesn't have a policy of hostility towards conservative Americans is also unworthy of seriousness. They are blinded by their own political aganda."

    Sounds a lot like many (but not all) of the anti Olbermann people!

    Substitute MSNBC for "Fox" and liberal for 'conservative' in the statement above...and there you have it!

    Professor...you are contradicting yourself (again).....

    You stated about 20 posts ago that Bush is irrelevant....

    "No, b**ch, we have seen Bush's success rate.Let's leave Bush out of this equation.
    I don't want his failure -tinged hands touching anything for the next 2 years.

    "Most of the republicans have tuned him out, the american PEOPLE HAVE tuned him out and the Congress was elected to do things THEIR WAY.

    "George should just go back to the ranch and do what he does best. Clear out brush !"

    then you post....

    "They are passing resolutions (obviously non binding) to show the president where they stand. . THEY ARE ACTUALLY GIVING YOUR PATHETIC PRESIDENT A CHANCE TO CHANGE HIS MISTAKE RIDDEN POLICY !"

    Ok, is he able to act or not, professor? Please pick one answer this time!

    More questions that need answers.....

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    The holy Cee SEES his war and president one step from the gutter. He SEES that there is almost NO SUPPORT in this country for the bullshit he is speaking.
    He sees his whole party and president DOA.

    But he still is taking shit.

    Where I come from, we just laugh at morons like that.
    And he's a doctor? with those reasoning skills?
    I think we need to get some of those protesters from Washington and go outside his office and picket that, and warn his patients and future patients.

    Noooooooooooooo No one that deluded and dumb could be a doctor, could they ?

    Notice Lapdog is staying clear of the questions I posed to him. I wonder if his ..ahem...so called patients knew he called priests,WWII vets and gold star mothers "dirty hippies" they'd ask for his resignation.

    So again Cee, how are the troops "anti troops" and why would you call CEO's, priests, mechanics, carpenters, WWII vets "dirty hippies?"

    Lucy, you have some esplaining to do !

    Cee is demonstrating what a fraud and coward he is.

    Thanks Cee, I knew you had it in you.

    "almost NO SUPPORT"....
    Comeon a--hole

    Do they have newspapers in Bushkill Falls? You should stop getting your overhyped news from the left blogs.

    "Lucy, you have some esplaining to do !"

    This from a guy who attended an anti-war demonstration that had the expressed purpose of pressuring politicians to stop the war NOW...

    Where the rhetoric likened non-binding resolutions to tacit war support....

    and now he's flaking for these same politicians the next day.

    How come the most self claimed "religious " people are usually the biggest nutcases?

    almost NO SUPPORT"....
    Comeon a--hole

    Do they have newspapers in Bushkill Falls? You should stop getting your overhyped news from the left blogs.

    Posted by: at January 29, 2007 3:53 PM


    80% of the American people are against this war.

    You still living in lala land where the GOP won the election in November ?

    The Professor thinks he is in his classroom and he doesn't have to answer questions....


    "Lapdog... (that would be me, Spiro Agnew IV)

    "please explain to everyone how the troops are anti troops? (VERY EASY....but I'll wait)

    "How CEO's and priests are "pathetic dirty hippies"? (EASY ANSWER....but I will wait)"


    ###
    Nope....
    I'll be like that nice man depicted by Sir Anthony in THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS....quid pro quo, professor....I ask/you answer/you ask/I answer.....

    I want full funding of the troops to win in Iraq as The President will request in February in a supplemental WAR funding request.....What do you want "peace marchers?" What will The Congressional Democrats DO?

    And Rosie (Bushkill)...Why don't you try to answer the same questions?....They are reasonable.

    Quid pro quo

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    I see Ceals wouldn't answer the question I asked here either.

    So much easier to talk shit, right Ceals ?

    You got nothing.

    Cee is waiting to explain how priests are dirty hippies?

    LOL


    You got nothing.

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 3:59 PM

    I'm talking to someone who is utterly incapable of understanding how they've supported one thing one day and then totally belied it the next.

    Having "absolutely nothing"-- a hand full of sand... describes anyone engaging you.

    Cee really has no shame.
    It's almost too ugly to watch.

    Doesn't he realise that this same "hippie" argument was fought and LOST by the right wing during the Vietnam War?

    Doesn't he realise that the "peace marches" had a large part in ending that ugly illegal war?

    WOW !

    Personally, I differ with Cee, in the respect that I think it's entirely plausible that Chuckie-Bob was the biggest clod among what was a miniscule fraction of insincere knee-jerk partisans marching that day.

    was a miniscule fraction of insincere knee-jerk partisans marching that day.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 29, 2007 4:24 PM

    By that I mean the vast majority of marchers were well-intentioned folks.

    Cecilia has to interpret her own postings.

    HA ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ha ha

    "Personally, I differ with Cee"

    The earth is going to spin off its axis .

    Actually when even Cecilia disagrees with the (un)holy Cee you know he's gone off the deep end !

    "Cee is waiting to explain how priests are dirty hippies?"

    Easy...like I said....

    Just like a priest can be a pedophile.

    Just like a teacher can be a wife-beater.

    Just like a professor can be a racist.

    Just like a doctor can be an alcoholic.

    Just like a CEO can be an embezzler.

    Just like anyone can believe or do anything that is selfish, evil, wrong-headed and ill-advised....anyone can feel they are doing something honorable yet are following a philosophy that is vacant.

    We are human...we are inherently flawed and we all make mistakes.

    "Doesn't he realise [sic] that this same "hippie" argument was fought and LOST by the right wing during the Vietnam War?"

    "Doesn't he realise that the "peace marches" had a large part in ending that ugly illegal war?"

    Mmmm....look at my posts above....the history you refer to is lies....white-washed so that people of the generation that deserted duty can still function psychologically....Professor Honeydew (Bob) is a great example....they have been referred to as "the least generation."

    And that is what they still are....the professor nailed it on the head when his initial description of the peace march was HOW IT AFFECTED HIM.....HIM......HIM......"a life affirming event?"

    What about them?.....(I'll Repost it all for you, why.....

    MEMOIR OF A REFUGEE

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/19/refugee/?arts

    Read it and discover that the biased, white-washed history the indoctrinated/indoctrinator Professor Bunsen Honeydew wants to fall asleep believing tonight is false....REAL people paid the price of America's "me generation" that poisons the debate still today....real people like Quang X. Pham.

    "By the time the last Americans were airlifted out of Saigon on April 30, 1975, Pham and his family were in Guam, on their way to a refugee camp at Fort Chaffee near Fort Smith, 120 miles west of Little Rock.

    "But his father, Pham Van Hoa, made a choice to stay with the South Vietnamese air force rather than join his family before the fall of Saigon. He was taken prisoner by the North Vietnamese for 12 years, as a part of Ho Chi Minh’s re-education of those who fought alongside U.S. forces."

    ###
    Millions of these refugees were abandoned by our country at the request of people like the professor.....and they want to do the same to the Iraqis. The "least of generations," seemed not to take anything away from their forebears..."the greatest generation."

    Will someone please answer my question on how many hippies showed up for the protest Saturday?

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Cecilia has to interpret her own postings.

    HA ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ha ha

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 29, 2007 4:30 PM


    Actually, I've considered typing phonetically for you.

    "Actually when even Cecilia disagrees with the (un)holy Cee you know he's gone off the deep end !"

    My explaination.....

    Both Cecelia and Grammie have much more patience with the ilk like the professor and rarely get as hyperbolic as I do....they are very nice ladies.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Cee is just a egomaniac, who just thrives on attention. ( just look at the size of his posts)
    And the bigger and longer his posts get the longer his nose grows with the lies he weaves.

    He is a "true" believer. Not unlike the Hitler's gestapo and Mussolini's Fasci di combattimento.

    Militarism, blind patriotism, and distain for all dissent was their MO.
    ( check out his hatred for the citizens who marched on Saturday)

    That's cee to a tee !

    We've fought wars to beat down the views that Cee brings to this site.
    He's almost frightening is his delusional ways.
    Predictably, he tops it all off and justifies it all with his religious ferocity.

    A very dangerous cocktail indeed !

    "Both Cecelia and Grammie have much more patience with the ilk like the professor and rarely get as hyperbolic as I do....they are very nice ladies."


    Cee, I think the more accurate description is that you know exactly what buttons to push and do so with unabahsed joy and relish...

    Oh yeah, why....I haven't heard such accusations for weeks....I was getting bored...now it seems worth it!

    Please show me one example of my "hatred."

    Oh, and professor....what about those numbers.....500K, 100K, 10K?

    Oh, and professor....what about that other questions....What do you want The Democrats to do about the supplemental war appropriation request by the irrelevant Bush?

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Quote of the day for me.....

    "You know, I mean, it's nice to see Jane Fonda in front of a camera again," White House spokesman Tony Snow's good-natured jab at actress Jane Fonda for appearing at an anti-Iraq war protest nearly 35 years after she earned the nickname "Hanoi Jane" for protesting Vietnam.

    Oh yeah...."Give peace a chance!"

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "A very dangerous cocktail indeed !"

    BTW...I prefer dirty Martinis.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    GOP Stalls On Minimum Wage To Avoid Iraq Votes
    The majority of Senate Republicans filibustering and delaying the passage of a new minimum wage law may be heartless, but they're not dumb. They know that bumping the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour is enormously popular with the American people and they're also aware that it passed by huge numbers in the House of Representatives, with 80 Republicans voting in favor of helping the working poor.

    So why the stalling? Why put off the inevitable with over 100 nonsensical amendments, while already voting once against ending debate on a clean minimum wage bill?

    I would assume because of this.
    The Senate did vote 54-43 to advance a House-passed measure that would lift the pay floor without any accompanying tax cut. However, that was well short of the 60 votes needed to keep that version moving.

    The vote was a signal to the House that without the tax breaks a minimum wage bill appeared doomed in the Senate. And the Senate promptly moved to a broader bill, backed by its Democratic leaders, that would raise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour over 26 months and provide $8.3 billion in tax benefits to businesses over 10 years.

    In the House, Democrats threatened to stifle that effort by enforcing constitutional precedents that require all tax bills to originate in the House. They blamed Republicans for the brewing impasse.

    "Democrats are committed to helping small businesses, but we should not delay a minimum wage increase another day in order to negotiate a tax package," said Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    Senate Democrats seemed more willing to accept the tax portion if it meant fulfilling their campaign promise.

    "There seems to be agreement to raise the minimum wage," said Republican Sen. Michael Enzi of Wyoming. "The difficulty has been how do we take care of some of the impact to small businesses that will result from this."

    WASHINGTON � The minimum wage increase that was supposed to zip through Congress veered onto a collision course Wednesday as lawmakers argued over business tax breaks that would be attached to ensure Republican support.

    Democratic leaders in the House began laying groundwork to blame the Republicans for any impasse. Senate Democrats, however, cautioned their House colleagues not to jeopardize legislation they'd promised to approve if they gained control of Congress.

    So the House Democrats knew the bill would be a problem if they did not allow the tax breaks, The Senate Dems knows this also but are trying to fufill their campaign promise. The House Dems are making this politcal. They knew the Republicans stance on this even before the proposed wage hike. Yet the House Dems make it appear as if the eeeeevil Republicans dont want to pass the bill. Some people believe this crap but I would think you would know better unless you want to be misleading .After all you this absurd claim. "Except in this case, the Republicans figure that if they can keep the Senate occupied indefinitely with an open-and-shut thing like a minimum wage increase, they can avoid the thing they fear most -- having to vote on any of the myriad Iraq-war resolutions waiting in the wings.

    Posted by: Bob at January 29, 2007 2:14 PM

    Bush Patriarch Euthanized

    HOUSTON, Texas (AP) George Herbert Walker Bush was euthanized Monday after complications from his gruesome breakdown at last year's tribute to son, Jeb, ended a six-year emotional ordeal that prompted an outpouring of anti-Bush sentiment across the country. "We just reached a point where it was going to be difficult for him to go on without pain," Bush family historian Joe Goebbels said. "It was the right decision, it was the right thing to do." A series of Bush family setbacks over the last several years, including a worsening military stalemate in Afghanistan, an un-captured Osama bin Laden, a bungled and costly war-of-choice in Iraq, and the premature political retirement of the family's rightful heir apparent, former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, proved too much for the elder patriarch and long-time dolt sire.

    "Bush Patriarch Euthanized"

    That's the old head spook's cover.

    New code name: Sheehan's Squeeze...

    cee

    I draw your attention to this article from The Cincinnati Beacon:

    http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/bill_sloat_ace_news_hawk_or_modicum_of_credibility/

    There is video attached showing that Mr. Sparling was separated from the anti-war protesters by a good twenty feet. So that must have been one hell of a loogie to reach his feet (and conversely, for him to fire back with his own spittle).

    Also read this eyewitness account:

    http://hughesforamerica.typepad.com/hughes_for_america/2007/01/my_take_on_satu.html

    The Washington Post and The Associated Press DID NOT cover this as part of their story on the protests.

    I smell month-old flounder...

    Here's her pic:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/evlbstrdjim/January27AntiWarMarch/photo#5024859402622963474

    Gives a whole new meaning to word "frugly" doesn't she?

    But Ensign, has it escaped your attention that Keith frequently makes fun of the way people looks and has called women any number of derogatory names? He frequently makes people's physical looks an object of ridicule on his show. I think it's only fair that this Olbermann cultmember be exposed in public since she has chosen to also make derogatory remarks about someone else's looks in public. Fair is fair, no?

    Normally I hate you guys, but your pic of keith in the kids clothes is so adorable