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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 29, 2007
    COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN - JANUARY 29, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • WAR POLITICS: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek chief White House correspondent and MSNBC political analyst
    • ANATOMY OF A LIE: "Outfoxed" documentary filmmaker Robert Greenwald

    We break from our regular format tonight, to examine a strange case. The discredited sports guy (who was up to something this afternoon as he didn't even show up for his radio gig) had a great plan for a segment tonight. It would bash Fox. It would slime the "right-wing". He might even have been able to work in a shot or two at Bill O'Reilly. Yet somehow, between this afternoon, when the A-Mess-NBC publicity department sent out its notices (replicated above) and the actual airing of The Hour of Spin, that great segment vanished. Poof! Why?

    MADMAN

    The idea was to flog the Insight/Obama/Fox story yet again. The great auteur Robert Greenwald, whose triumphs include Flatbed Annie & Sweetiepie: Lady Truckers, and his chef d'ouvre, Xanadu, was to be Olby's expert witness sock puppet. It would be "the anatomy of a lie".

    Now we might ask, what exactly makes the claim that the Clinton campaign circulated this rumor a "lie"? Because someone at the campaign denied it? If all it takes to make a story a lie is to have someone deny it, then why are we trying Scooter Libby? He denied the charges against him, therefore, using OlbyLogic, the charges are all lies. Herr Olbermann repeatedly played up charges by Kirk Fordham in the Foley matter, all denied by the accused. Yet Olby reported them as fact, even though by his own logic, they were debunked and a "lie". Olbypocrisy? Ya think?

    But we digress. This segment would have been a perfect opportunity for Oralmann to reprise his attack on Insight as a "slime machine". But this raises a few problems, and even if "Man on Fan" Olbermann didn't recognize them, it appears somewhat at A-Mess-NBC did. After all, Insight wasn't a "right-wing slime machine" when Keith Olbermann used it as a source on March 16. Or when he relied on Insight as fact to push a story about a Karl Rove enemies list. Or when an article from Insight, that cited only a single anonymous source, was good enough for Krazy Keith to use to slam Karl Rove. And there are five more where those came from.

    Such rank hypocrisy has never stopped Krazy Keith before. But today there was a new element: the New York Times. Their article today cited A-Mess-NBC's repeated lifting of stories from Insight (first reported by OlbermannWatch). Every one of these examples, like the ones above, was perpetrated by Rev Olbermoronn, though the Times did not name our hero. And, as the paper pointedly noted, their requests for comment from A-Mess-NBC were refused.

    Now if the Times catches Krazy Keith pulling this trick again, Olbypocrisy is dangerously close to leaving the pages of Olbermann Watch and Newsbusters and erupting in the biggest MSM publication of them all. Dan Abrams does not want that to happen to his golden boy. Keith "I answer to no one" Olbermann has to answer to Dan Abrams, even though KO claims Dan only runs daytime programming. And then there's that contract, that apparently hasn't been signed yet. End result: the segment was made to disappear. No doubt there will be some serious moping and soaking in the tub tonight.

    MADMAN

    As for the rest of The Hour of Spin, it led off with The Great Leak Case (Bush "on trial by proxy"), citing again the "16 words" as a lead-in to another Slippery Shuster recap of the trial. Slippery said today's testimony was "devasating for the defense" (how so, since just Friday he claimed Libby's defense was already dead?). Such brilliant analysis can only be welcomed with Great Thanks, as Keith blathered about "near-Nixonian [Ding!] paranoia". That led to the Wolffe Man's first appearance for this week. The White House is "obsessing" over the trial; "credibility"; Cheney speaks in "dark, apocalyptic terms". Great thanks.

    Next on the agenda was the big battle where Iraqi troops killed or captured hundreds of terrorists and insurgents. KO had barely finished his first sentence when he immediately brought up "the timing" [Ding!] and the venue, while the details were left to a taped report from NBC. Then KO, with an eye on ratings (isn't American Idol on tomorrow?), plugged a Tuesday night Speshul Komment. Oh wow.

    #3: Hillary Clinton, with generous clips of her criticizing "Mister" Bush. Anne Kornblut of the Washington Post was there to analyze her campaign. Hillary is trying to "imply" that troops should come home by 2009. Olby opined that in 2004 John Kerry was "slammed" for "being too subtle" and for requiring people to think. Great thanks.

    Next: A mountain lion attack victim, Barbaro, Brandi (who could end up spending "a year behind jail"), and UFOs, complete with a serious interview with a "ufologist". In the Media Matters Minute, Andrew Sullivan (for criticizing Hillary; Blue Blog Source: Media Matters), Fox (Blue Blog Source: TVNewser), and Fox again (for running an ad, also by coincidence condemned on the Blue Blog Source: TVNewser).

    OLBY

    Dogs that did not bark: The DC war protests included spitting at a wounded Iraq war veteran and defacing the steps of Capitol Hill. A suicide bomber kills three in Israel. New developments in the case of the National Guardsmen who retreated rather than face hostile gunfire from illegal aliens. Another state plans to offer tuition price breaks to illegals. Hillary Clinton's flip-flop. And in the ongoing scrutiny of Naked Right-Wing Propaganda Masquerading as Entertainment, an episode of Medical Investigation ran this morning and it dealt with a deadly anthrax attack. Keith Olbermann did not object. Medical Investigation is not on Fox.

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olberman's name stands at #5,294 at amazon.com, while "Culture Warrior" is #159. The OlbyTome is #2,586 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #421 there, and for the 17th week is still on the New York Times bestsellers list. On Friday, the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann tanked, finishing in a humiliating fourth place--behind Paul Zahn, behind Nancy Grace, and way behind The Factor, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 5 [ELEVATED]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (219) | | View blog reactions
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    I'm waiting for A-Mess-NBC to give Wolffie his own show based on all the airtime that Olby gives him.

    Set your Tivos for tomorrow - another Speshul Komment! Must be about terror and completely anti-Bush. That Olby - he's an enigma.

    Hopefully tomorrow's special comment will be encouraging pretzels from all over the world to descend on Wash DC. You rightwing twats are in denial so badly that your ignorance is funny.

    O'Lielly, you are rambling even more incoherently tonight. Have you switched your drug of choice from pot to crystal meth?

    I guess your support for this steaming pile of shit does not go back that far ?

    Who, Olby? That's who we're talking about. I'm glad you agree.

    Hmmm, UFOs. It looks as if the mothership has come back to collect the moonbats.

    Anon 8:38: "that Obly - he's an enigma."

    But you've broken the code?

    Keith is NOT obsessed with FOX News and Bill O'Reilly.

    He's merely pointing out the evil of his competitor in the ratings.

    Is he to blame for the fact that everything FOX, Bill and Republicans say is an evil lie??

    Years ago, I bet if Dan Rather were to run stories bashing Tom Brokaw and NBC every single night during his newscast, you people wouldn't think twice about it.

    *** Liberals in '08 - We get our news from the Comedy Channel and MSNBC puppet theatre ***

    Anon 8:56: "Hmmm, UFOs. It looks as if the mother ship has come back to collect the moonbats."

    Does mean them Republican cyborgs will now reign supreme?

    With a host that sane folks despise
    Meltdown is where logic defies
    The format, a joke
    The guests only stroke
    Like Richard Wolffe to parrot Keith's lies

    We've all noticed that Olby has had a green glow while broadcasting from NY. Maybe he's one of the extraterrestrials that is looking for a ride home.

    What happened to his "orange glow"?

    There is a far better chance of

    "Hmmm, UFOs. It looks as if the mother ship has come back to collect the moonbats."


    Than the rapture idea that some of these brainwashed jesus freaks believe in.. Here is to hoping that LaHaye and the other guy die soon.

    Maria: "with a host that sane folks despise"...

    Damn, I was afraid of that....this must mean I really have gone insane? And I thought it was just the hiccups!

    No O'lielly, he has to finish igniting the apocalypse in the Middles East before the Rapture can begin!

    He's orange in Secaucus; green in NY.

    Olby claims he's gaining in chase
    But his show is stuck in last place
    He's up two percent!
    But not making a dent
    Compared to O'Reilly, Zahn, and Grace

    Nancy Grace has been kicking his fat butt in the ratings recently, so what does Olby do? Pull another Special Komment out of his fat ass. Yawn.

    O'Lielly, your Olbyloon interpretation of the rapture is amusing. From the mouths of moonbats come such priceless comments. The air is thin on Olbyplanet, which is probably the homebase for the UFO.

    Did "Olbyplanet" replace Pluto as the ninth planet?

    Mike,

    "Olbyplanet" is more a state of mind than anything else. And poor ole' Pluto really isn't even considered a planet anymore by the in crowd. It's tough out there, man!

    So the UFOs are busy traveling between the state of 'Mind' on Olbyplanet and Earth?

    Mike,

    I haven't seen tonight's show yet so I don't even know what you all are talking about. Hopefully, in a few hours, I will able to determine if your last question was really, really deep or really, really funny, or both. But if it's both then that would mean that you "conflated" two things into one, and according to KO, that is a bad thing. Nano-nano! (That's space talk for Peace-Out!)

    Is Olbermann the supreme ruler of all the moonbats on Olbyplanet, or is he just 'Mr.' President?

    You'll have to ask the moonbats that question, Mike. They seem to flock to his delusional interpretations of reality.

    " Nancy Grace has been kicking his fat butt in the ratings recently, so what does Olby do? Pull another Special Komment out of his fat ass. Yawn. "

    Posted by: Brandon at January 29, 2007 9:27

    Now I'm confused. Didn't KO claim his " Special Komments " would only be done when he has something very important to say because if done too much they can become trivialized ? I find it hard to believe the " noble " KO would air them just for ratings. Not KO . Say it aint so KO.

    You know what I wanted to hear Keith Olbermann talk abou today ? World Court ...

    Just how fat is keith's "fat Butt"? does he need a speshul chair just to fit it in?

    Olbermann prevents slander ... & there is nothing for you all to talk about ?!?

    I see O'lielly is going thru one of his fag boy PMS sessions again. Why don't you do us and the world a favor O'lielly and go bobbing for french fries at McDonalds.

    Incase you all did not read it when the statement was first posted:

    We break from our regular format tonight, to examine a strange case. The discredited sports guy (who was up to something this afternoon as he didn't even show up for his radio gig) had a great plan for a segment tonight. It would bash Fox. It would slime the "right-wing". He might even have been able to work in a shot or two at Bill O'Reilly. Yet somehow, between this afternoon, when the A-Mess-NBC publicity department sent out its notices (replicated above) and the actual airing of The Hour of Spin, that great segment vanished. Poof! Why?

    MADMAN

    The idea was to flog the Insight/Obama/Fox story yet again. The great auteur Robert Greenwald, whose triumphs include Flatbed Annie & Sweetiepie: Lady Truckers, and his chef d'ouvre, Xanadu, was to be Olby's expert witness sock puppet. It would be "the anatomy of a lie".

    Now we might ask, what exactly makes the claim that the Clinton campaign circulated this rumor a "lie"? Because someone at the campaign denied it? If all it takes to make a story a lie is to have someone deny it, then why are we trying Scooter Libby? He denied the charges against him, therefore, using OlbyLogic, the charges are all lies. Herr Olbermann repeatedly played up charges by Kirk Fordham in the Foley matter, all denied by the accused. Yet Olby reported them as fact, even though by his own logic, they were debunked and a "lie". Olbypocrisy? Ya think?

    JD:
    Great catch with the Insight angle and the Times piece.

    What type of checking/sourcing do the producers for Countdown engage in? Do they just grab stuff from websites and do NO checking/reporting on their own? Just run it?

    Folks, that's not a news show. That's a talk radio show on the television.

    And we all know - both the right and the left - that most talk radio cannot be believed at all. Limbaugh or Franken and everyone in between.

    Franken in the same category as Limbaugh? You're a bigger comedian than Franken.

    Al Franken has been asked to run for Senate by the people of his state, Minnesota.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/18/franken.senate.ap/index.html

    Al Franken destroys any of your hillbilly hero's like Hannity, O'Lielly or Limbaugh.

    You truely are a joke!

    The Buffalo Watching: Al Franken was asked to join the senate and that means he destroys our "hillbilly" heros?!?

    To all you pussies who are so cowardly that you role over like a dog for the Fox News rant - "be afraid, be very afraid" bullshit like the pussy
    Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 29, 2007 10:10 PM


    I ask want to know, who's your daddy?

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207A.shtml

    Thank god for true American hero's like Mr Olbermann. This guy has more ball in one nut than all you pussies, like Bicker Watch, (faker who is a true FoxNews flunky)put together.

    Al Franken has been asked to run for Senate by the people of his state, Minnesota.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/18/franken.senate.ap/index.html
    *****************************************
    Now show me anywhere in that story is there a claim that Minn. is begging Staurt Smiley to run ..sounds more like Al is begging the Dems in Minn.to help him.

    Buffalo: Easy. Olbermann is a disgrace to everybody with any kind of heart or soul that would disparage and make fun of any person that he would need to on a whim. That said, I do not like Fox News because they inhibit all of the traits that Keith Olbermann has shown on a good day. It is easy to sit there and try to make some conservatives pretty upset by reciting Keith-is-great type comments ... but just try and watch Keith Olbermann any few days. It gets on my nerves. Also, I dislike most of the losers on cable news and find myself to be a religious Democrat. There we have it.

    "Now show me anywhere in that story is there a claim that Minn. is begging Staurt Smiley to run..."

    It's Stuart Smalley,

    Jeezus, you can't even copy O'Reilly Properly.

    You'd be in Lock Step, if your shoe wasn't untied.

    "Now show me anywhere in that story is there a claim that Minn. is begging Staurt Smiley to run ..sounds more like Al is begging the Dems in Minn.to help him.
    Posted by: mlong at January 29, 2007 10:32 PM"

    Uhhh that's it? That's all you got?

    So you use your FoxNews method of deduction to extrapolate your stance that I am lacking in my comparison of Franken to Limbaugh et, al simply because this article makes no reference to his support in the state he may run in?

    You're a genius - top of your class ace!

    I listen to Al's Show daily and he gets repeated callers from his state literally begging him to run. They love Al as do most people who passed 9th grade.

    Hey Buffalo,
    You show'd your ignorance of Hip Hop Culture the other night. I though Liberals belive in Racial unification? That's what Rap does. Unites Whites,Spanish, Blacks and Asians. Bye the way I'm Italian so 'm not really White. I'm of Latin origin. Why are you so hateful of things you disagree with?

    Buffalo, you're a douche...

    "Buffalo: Easy. Olbermann is a disgrace to everybody with any kind of heart or soul that would disparage and make fun of any person that he would need to on a whim. That said, I do not like Fox News because they inhibit all of the traits that Keith Olbermann has shown on a good day. It is easy to sit there and try to make some conservatives pretty upset by reciting Keith-is-great type comments ... but just try and watch Keith Olbermann any few days. It gets on my nerves. Also, I dislike most of the losers on cable news and find myself to be a religious Democrat. There we have it.

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 29, 2007 10:38 PM"
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Hey Bicker,
    I grew up in an Irish Catholic neighborhood in the 60's and 70's. When ever we came across fakers playing both sides of a fence we made fast work of him putting a huge "PUSSY" target on his back.

    You are a total faking bullshitter - and a bad one at that. The idea that you can pretend to put Keith Olbermann - a hero to everyone who loves Democracy, in the same basket as Fox is complete garbage nonsense. You are a classic pussy trying to appeal to both sides instead taking a stand one way or the other.

    A pussy that is what you are and always have been here. You make no sense. You say you don't like Fox yet the man who blasts Fox get's the brunt of your scorn. You're a dick!

    Take a look at the polls on the Main page here OW. You see any wishy washy bullshit like you spout here or a clear majority in all the polls loving KO.

    You're FoxNews Sean (the pussy) Hannity cabin boy!

    Obama-Rama, you're a kotex...

    You're STILL a douche

    Buffalo, O'Liely, Bicker- why don't you join the rest of your "Team America" allies, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, etc. and go march or something...?

    and hussein- obama is a socialist monkey

    A M E R I C A- F*CK YEAH!

    Buffalo: Make some sense. You know I am correct. You know you are wrong. Playing both sides of the fence? Haven't you heard of having diverging opinions? I did not think so since you will eat whatever Keith Olbermann tells you to digest and ask for more like a good little boy/buffal that you are. Grow some and stop deflecting yourself onto others ! Ha !

    "Hey Buffalo,
    You show'd your ignorance of Hip Hop Culture the other night. I though Liberals belive in Racial unification? That's what Rap does. Unites Whites,Spanish, Blacks and Asians. Bye the way I'm Italian so 'm not really White. I'm of Latin origin. Why are you so hateful of things you disagree with?
    Posted by: Genovese at January 29, 2007 10:54 PM"

    One more faker hiding his commonly used moniker here. "not really white" So many faking pussies.

    Rap Music has many forms.

    The gutter trash calling women "bitches and whores" is this the unifying culture you speak of? Or is the cop killing rap that is so hip to you?

    You like to pretend or what? What I said was clear. The music as a beat is fine and inline with the Motown music I grew with in Detroit.

    The idea of every coward white boy from privileged backgrounds posing as a gangster and then "proving" themselves a "thug" is a culture of pussies and you know it.

    In the days when boys had fathers who raised them, boys were taught that real men do not seek out a gang for validation - that get that from home.

    Today every coward pussy raised on video games and MTV tries to emulate that which terrifies them the most - inner city gang bangers who glorify guns and lawlessness.

    The idea of inner city youth using Rap as an expression of their social trials and tribulations is valid. Frat boys from the top of the hill in BMW's is not.

    What part of this is not clear to you?


    How does that fake Buffalo keep layin' those perfect bull turds? I don't get it. They are as genuine as can be, even though the fake Buffalo layer of said turds is an exact double of the Coward Watch. Dang!

    Brndn,

    You like making a fool of yourself or what?

    The name is "The Buffalo Watching Cowards and Devils" You see only part of this name or all of it?

    Are you too stupid to see "Coward Watch" from "Watching Cowards"?

    Jesus you FoxNews educated idiots are short on the brains!

    This just in...
    Buffalo Chip is STILL a douche!
    ...stay tuned

    The Buffalo Watching Cowards and Pussies,
    I'm from Yonkers you bitch. Why don't you get off your Fat ass and come out here and see the hood I grew up in? You automatically think any non Black that listens to rap is rich. Well I got news for you, Most of the Whites that listen to rap are actually working class. Are there some corny white Kids that lisetn yes and we don't respect them. However there are some thorough Whites are are just as hard as any Black. Black people aren't the only that struggle in this country.
    Hey so if Italians are white, are Cubans, Colombians ( like my wife) and Spaniards white? In case your ignorant, fat and burnt out brain doesn't know, Italians are the original Latins. The area around Rome is called Latium. Learn some history you stupid cow!

    There are somethings that register as the impossible. Moving bare mt.s. Flying with no wings. Going back or forward in time. Changing form. Pretending that Keith Olbermann has journalistic integrity is on that list.

    Buffalo,
    You are a devil. You're an angry loser. You probably get no pussy and live off your Kid's who are out on the street hustling to support your miserable soul. When you die ther'll be nobody at your funeral. Yoiu know nothing about Rap you over the hill fraude! By the way Rap started right doen the road from me in the Boogie Down. When Kool Herc you used to throw jams. You don't that. Your just a country bumpkin plaing yor banjo!

    That fake Buffalo looks like Andy Devine layin' those turds, one after the other. What's that newfangled expression you modern types use for that? Don't tell me, I know. Just like when they can make a hundred Winchester lever actions in an hour at the factory. I know-it's mass production, it's the assembly line! First one turd, then the next, and the next, and the next, and so on. And all from the cowardly fake Buffalo. We are surely talkin' mass production here.

    "This just in...
    Buffalo Chip is STILL a douche!
    ...stay tuned
    Posted by: Obama-Rama at January 29, 2007 11:14 PM"

    Note the lack of name to this empty commentary.

    Anything note worthy here about the 27 thousand troops wounded in Iraq? 3325 dead? Any outrage about $400 billion wasted by Bush in a failed adventure to grab oil profits for Chevron and the rest of Cheney's billionaire buddies? Any hint of an understanding of what makes a democracy?

    Any idea of what "freedom of the press" was intended to be? News Corp?

    Tell me Brando, how many news outlets does NewsCorp own? What makes a monopoly in your mind? And what effect does a monopoly have on the foundation of democracy - freedom of the press?


    Buffalo would get a buck fifty here in the Y.O. He's a bitch ass!

    It is amazing how that fake Buffalo keeps layin' those turds. And they are all identical, like they came from a cookie cutter or somethin'. Dang! That coward must have been practicin' that for a long, long, time. Maybe his whole life. Kind of wretched, but, dang, he is good at it.

    Nameless Douche Said:
    "Any idea of what "freedom of the press" was intended to be? News Corp? Tell me Brando, how many news outlets does NewsCorp own? What makes a monopoly in your mind? And what effect does a monopoly have on the foundation of democracy - freedom of the press?"

    What's your point? Are you trying to say that since NewsCorp is successful- that there's NO OTHER news outlets?

    I realize that NO ONE IS WATCHING MSNBC or reading the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, and every other ULTRA-LIBERAL "news" outlet- but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    In conclusion, you're a douche.

    "Learn some history you stupid cow!

    Posted by: Genovese at January 29, 2007 11:16 PM"

    Faking faker failing to fake it right.

    Let's get one thing strait. Pretending you are a minority is only done by white punks. Calling your white background - Latin, is that like French people calling themselves Mediterranean?

    Rap is owned and created by the one and only one group who could and did create it - African people in any nation - here or anywhere else. Pretending you are Black is for those afraid of Black people. "don't attack me, I'm one of you."

    You're pussy and I have hit a nerve with you on this one.

    The truth hurts.

    All hail the words of the Buffalo Douche!

    The Buffalo Watching Pussies,
    Wrong bitch. It's a NY thing you idiot. Did you ever see Style Wars? Nope. When I was growing up that's what everybody here in NY was into. but you are some stupid Black Panther that was parolled and got addicted to Herion! you know nothing about Hip Hop.
    Answer my question you Lard ass, are Italina Latin? Yes or NO? I Italians are white whay aren't Spaniards who are of vthe same blood line?
    Come on I'm sure your stupid Black Panther book has the answer. You racist scumbag. You belong with the KKK, in the past! People like you are dying out!

    Buffalo is an ex Black Panther recovering Heroin addict. He has his Grandkid selling drugs to support his lazy ass. He's a Black Klansman. An intolerant racist that belongs with the past!

    If Bufatlo Biach ever showed up in NY popping his mouth, he's get a nice razor to his burnt out face!

    Did Buffalo leave, yet ?!?

    Obama,
    Buffalo is frustrated loser. He lives in some shack under a bridge waiting for his hits of heron!

    Keith Olbermann has an endless amount of yes - men at his disposal. He can use a website to defy him, you know ?!?

    "What's your point? Are you trying to say that since NewsCorp is successful- that there's NO OTHER news outlets?
    I realize that NO ONE IS WATCHING MSNBC or reading the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, and every other ULTRA-LIBERAL "news" outlet- but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
    In conclusion, you're a douche.
    Posted by: (Brando)Obama-Rama at January 29, 2007 11:28 PM"

    Brando, you are such a fool. Sometimes we hit "post" forgetting to put in our moniker. Pussies like you post under 6 names trying to make it look like you're not alone in the world - you are!

    My point is that you demonstrate zero understanding of any of the issues that matter. You come here seeking validation as a man. You've come to the wrong place. I will pull down your vale every time to expose the fact that you are dick-less!

    NewsCorp could never have come about if both the Democrats and the Republicans starting with Reagan, Gingrich right on through the Clinton years turning back laws that regulate media monopolies.

    You know shit about this nation, it's history orwhat makes a democracy.

    You are coward pussy who unfortunately never had a father.

    Keith to brndn "I am your father"

    Who's your daddy?

    Buffalo: Do you enjoy all of the negative attention that you are getting, here? Or is this a heard-type thing ?!?

    The fake Buffalo exhales and a turd comes out! How does he do that? Dang!

    "I realize that NO ONE IS WATCHING MSNBC or reading the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, "

    Maybe not in Flether Hollow where you live, but I watch MSNBC and read the NY Times, daily.
    The NYT is the paper of record in this country.
    You probably don't read it because it's written with a higher reading level than most papers.
    I understand your aversion to learning.

    But don't assume that everyone is as uneducated as yourself.

    Who's your daddy?

    I'll tell who your daddy is

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207A.shtml

    Genovese:"Bye the way I'm Italian so 'm not really White. I'm of Latin origin"

    Here's a perfect example of the uneducated youth of today.
    Psssssst Genovese: if you're Italian, you're of Mediteranean descent, not Latin.

    My God !

    "Buffalo: Do you enjoy all of the negative attention that you are getting, here? Or is this a heard-type thing ?!?

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 29, 2007 11:45 PM"

    Negative attention? So far all of your posts made under multiple names have made a complete fool out of you.

    You have demonstrated what? that you can express frustration with people like me who also can read a newspaper who calls democracy hating idiot pussies like you on the carpet.

    I have made mince meat out of you. Denial and empty retorts score no points from where I stand.

    Nothin but a faking pussy. How does it feel to have a guy claiming Italians invented Rap as your constituent?

    You girls are pathetic!

    How many times do we have to explain this. Some of us are in fact Democrats who can't stand Olbermann, because like Fox, he represents everything wrong with what journalism has become in the 21st Century. He passes off what he does as journalism and news when it's nothing but opinion. And beyond that, the show is just incredibly lame. It used to be clever but he's been phoning it in for months now. It's the same thing over and over again. It's just boring.

    There's this notion out there that no ill can be said about Olbermann and that if you dare to speak the truth about him, then you obviously have no right to call yourself a Democrat and that you must be a GOP'er in disguise. That accusation has been thrown at me many times here, without a single shred of evidence to back it up, but it's typical of the thought processes of the Keith fanatics and sadder still, of many liberals. Shhh--don't point the truth out about Keith--he's one of us.

    Sorry but that's the problem. If you can tell how biased he is towards one side, and you believe he's on one side, then he's f---ing up as a journalist. And keep in mind that he won't admit that he IS a liberal, as if it's something to be ashamed of. See, Keith knows that he shouldn't take sides as a journalist but he's figured out that if he positions himself as the liberal news source he can hopefully inflate his ratings and secondly, if MSNBC does dump him, he can claim he was some sort of political victim, instead of the usual m.o. on him which is, he's just difficult to work with and that he's washed out of yet another job. He's using this tilt to the left and he's even telling you what he's doing with his constant "I'm not biased. I'm not political" comments. And I think that's true. I think that he has decided to be the anti O'Reilly because hey if being a conservative dick worked for BOR, maybe being a liberal one will work for KO! But it isn't. And he's prostituted himself in the process, sold out his integrity and for what? Pathetic ratings that he has to pimp continously with his special comments? It's just pathetic. But apparently, his hard core fan don't mind being decieved and they don't mind being fooled just so long as Keith "says what needs to be said." Even though what he's saying is as one-sided, no, more one-sided than anything Fox News offers up. Sorry but that's not journalism and I can still be a Democrat and say that. He sucks. And not in a good way.

    Buffalo: Wah wah wah. You are the biggest baby. I represent multiple different viewpoints and consider multiple different ideas and wager means and ways and I do not take up the board's room rambling incoherently. If you can not express more than another lackluster Pilsbury DoughBoy that giggles happily whenever Keith Olbermann taps your belly ... good luck here, pal.

    You tell em KAF!

    I see that now your calling yourself a 'Democrat' instead of the 'liberal' you called yourself before.

    Hey, that's actually more believable, ole buddy! Every Democrat is not a liberal, and every Republican is not a conservative.

    "... good luck here, pal.

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at January 30, 2007 12:00 AM"

    So far you have had no luck. It has been an evening of me slamming you into the boards like feeble twig.

    All this "ganging" up on one guy who exposes the most corrupt hated president of modern times while defending the numb nuts at Fox (some pretend otherwise - "bicker") makes you all about as foolish as you can possibly be.

    Keith Olbermann is the hero of our times who contributed greatly to the demise of the evangelically elected hillbilly Republicans who pimped and whored Jesus and the bible all the way to Washington.

    Face it you are a loser from a losing side of the issues. This nation has always and will always take great offense to criminal regimes who blatantly serve the rich with contempt for the working man.

    You are slave to them because of your ignorance. It is too bad so many of you had no fathers to teach you what it means to be a man.

    Now go Rap with your "Latin" Italian friend.


    "How many times do we have to explain this. Some of us are in fact Democrats who can't stand Olbermann, because like Fox, he represents everything wrong with what journalism has become in the 21st Century."

    This is as far as I read of this ridiculous nonsense.

    Too much Bill O'lielly watching no doubt with all this pretending to be politically androgynous.

    Pretending to be a person who a purest of journalism is all about being a hero to the KO haters here. Like a science teacher who believes in creationism. Total fake bullshit!

    Bushkill Falls,
    What language did the Romans speak? Also why do Italians from Italy call themselves Latin? The area around Rome is called Latium. We are the original Latins. My wife's family is Colombian. Her family even says the Italians are the original Latins. Spaniards come from Italians and Latin Americans come from Spaniards. Did you know most Argentinians are Italian? They consider themselves Latin.

    Bufatlow
    "How does it feel to have a guy claiming Italians invented Rap" Where did I say that? Rap was started by Jamaican born DJ Kool Herc in the South Bronx around '73-'74. Us Urban Italians, Spanish and Whites embraced the culture because it's street music. Blacks invented it, but it wasn't just for Blacks. It's music you has been Black Panther Herion addict! You're no differnt than the Klan. Just your colors are Black!

    The Buffalo do you have your black hood ready? Planning to burn some Redneck's house. Oh I forgot, you can't years of using that needle have sapped you strenght you Bitch ass!

    "Spaniards come from Italians and Latin Americans come from Spaniards. Did you know most Argentinians are Italian? They consider themselves Latin. Posted by: Genovese at January 30, 2007 12:23 AM"

    Shit, I feel stupid Geno-eric, I get it now. Native Americans are Indians because we called them Indians and people from India are what?

    Romans spoke Latin? What did they speak before that?????

    Latin Americans like Colombians aren't really Latins but Italians are? So are Irish people British? Because the island of Ireland had aboriginees on it before the Britts showed up, what do you suppose they are called? These people are close cousins with Eskimos yet they were the original people of Ireland. I guess as person of Irish decent based on your logic I am British instead of Irish.

    Your an idiot

    A Latin Italian: como estas, yo!

    More Latin/Italian History :Trini Lopez singing O Solo Mio

    Geno-eric,

    Look, Hilary has already been chosen as the next president. When that happens chumps like can once again pretend you give a shit about the presidency like you pretended when Bill was in office. I know Bush has been a great president and that is the only reason you hate Keith.

    Once Hilary is president (the same power structure that chose Bush has already decided on Hilary) you can jump up and down talk tough about the integrity of the Oval Office.

    Ken Star spent $70 million chasing Bill Clinton's dick around with Limbaugh, O'lielly and Hannity all over it like a blow job was a crime but killing more than 3000 GI's for Chevron's bottom line is "supporting our troops".

    You a pathetic loser with zero ability to put forth any discussion about our democracy and what makes it strong.

    You clearly come from a background of ignorance. No education - a for sure no culture in a background I would recognise.

    As an Irish Catholic person of the 1960's our neighborhood had only two groups - Irish and Italians Catholics. I grew with Italian families shouting distance from my front door from birth till I left for college. Never heard and Italian neighbor or family member (I have many in-laws) ever mention being "Latin".

    Sounds to me like your wife's parents want you to feel significant while she wears the pants in your house.

    More Latin Italian History: Los Lobos singing That's Amore

    or

    Ricky Ricardo giving eating lasagna.

    or

    Genovese walking down the street in South Philly , going to Pat's Steaks and ordering a Taco WITH.

    that's Ricky Ricardo eating lasagna.

    (It's late)

    Johnny

    I find it funny that when you go over to the tvnewser website. There is a advertisement for MSNBC right next to the pieces slaming Fox News.

    Tvnewser's fair and balanced bloging? Or a cute attempt at product location.

    I don't care who it was MSNBC, CNN or FOX NEWS.
    That looked like playing favorites. Doing a bit of a slam piece while having an advertisment for another cable news channel?

    Like Insight Magazine is an arm of The Unification Church. Could not the same argument be made of tvnewser at this point?

    Has tvnewser become an arm of MSNBC? Just Asking?

    As far as the Insight magazine piece or Insight as a whole. I got to say both MSNBC & Fox News made a bad choice here.

    Two things: First, the story got passed over by Drudge and second. Insight is somehow hooked up with The Unification Church. Red flags folks! Do you're homework!!!!!!

    Now that being said I'm glad Ducy and Kilmeade got brought on the carpet. Their punishment should be E.D. Hill go's back to mornings and get them in line.

    Now to Olby, Look folks I hate to say this, but I've got to defend Olby. Yep folks it's ignorance! Yep! Easy!

    David Brock a noted bomb thrower for the left, use to run Insight. When he was a bomb thrower for the right. Olby probably thought since David Bruck ran it at one time, he thought it was a far left mag!!!!!!

    WRONG! Sorry Olby.

    Quick funny sidenote, Michael Savage who at one time had a far left liberal resume that would make any 'Tin Foil' cream, he went from the far left, to the far right!!!!

    The difference? Savage has the 4th or 5th most listen to show on the radio. All Brock has is some dopey little Blog.

    But I digress.

    Ducy and Kilmeade got called on the carpet and no doubt got the riot act read to them. Good!

    But the bad part about this is the timing for Olby........ If he got called in today on the carpet, he's got one more thing to worry about. His contract is up in 31 days.

    I can hear the big brass and the bean counters now.

    This guy can't produce the ratings and now he's giving us a headache. And nobody else has tried to make a play for him.

    31 days to go. It's not looking too good for Mr. Olbermann.

    Oh and just a sidenote. Air america was brought by the Green brothers. Mark Green is just a few steps this side of clueless. His brother is a little smarter. Now doubt one of the conditions of the sale was Frankin and his bloated salary had to go.

    But if Mark Green ends up running Air America, Well no worries here!!!!!!

    Everything is ratings for Puck.Could he be any more superficial ?

    "Now doubt one of the conditions of the sale was Frankin and his bloated salary had to go."

    Al Franken left to run for Congress.

    How stupid is puck?
    Let me count the ways !

    The large space between each of Puck's sentences represents the even larger space between his ears.

    It also makes it easier to pick apart each of his mind numbing points.

    This goes out to Grammie.May she rest in peace !

    ( even though she hates the word "peace.".

    "The DC war protests included spitting at a wounded Iraq war veteran..."

    Except that ONLY the New York Times claims this happened, and VIDEO EVIDENCE from the Cincinnati Beacon shows the protesters were TWENTY FEET away from the counter-protesters. So that would have had to be one hell of a spit shot.

    See the video, it is here:

    http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/bill_sloat_ace_news_hawk_or_modicum_of_credibility/

    "and defacing the steps of Capitol Hill."

    Which was done 1) by Anarchists who were described by the police as a "splinter group" and 2) allowed by the police to avoid a violent confrontation with this splinter group that was spoiling for a fight.

    "New developments in the case of the National Guardsmen who retreated rather than face hostile gunfire from illegal aliens."

    WHICH IS IN THEIR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT! National Guard on border duty are not allowed to stop, arrest or shoot armed illegal immigrants. They are to notify the Border Patrol. These are the guidelines AS DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT when the plan was implemented.

    "And in the ongoing scrutiny of Naked Right-Wing Propaganda Masquerading as Entertainment, an episode of Medical Investigation ran this morning and it dealt with a deadly anthrax attack."

    Again Johnny, you are picking out a show that is TWO YEARS OLD and has been LONG CANCELED. In fact, it just got back on (in reruns) less than a month ago. The least you could do is avoid looking like you're DELIBERATELY trying to find stupid things about shows that people would have to Google just to identify.

    Anon 1:41:

    What do you mean by "Grammie. May she rest in peace"?

    So Fox News is the "Worst Person in the World" for calling a journalist "The Paris Hilton of News"? Then what does that make a person who calls another journalist a "Monkey" or "Fat Boy"?

    On a Side Note: During Keith's segment Monday Night about U.F.O's, I saw something very familiar. You remember that photo they showed of that blue object in the sky? I actually saw one of those. It was 2000. I was on a Western Pacific Deployment with the Navy. It was late at night and I was doing lookout duties. Then all of a sudden there was this big bright blue ball of light that lit up the night sky. It probably wasn't aliens, but it was still something cool to see.

    Yesterday,Lapdog( cee) attempted to explain and rationalize his demeaning of the good citizens of this country,and fell flat on his face.His performance ( in every sense of he word)consisted of godawful aneuristic flashes of gibberish coupled with plain old fashioned wingnut voodoo.

    I'm not even going to dignify copying and pasting his comments to protect the readers from having that twisted rationalization lingering in their memory,like one of Cecelia's sonnets of confusion.
    Now get this.....
    This blubbering fool boasted that it's easy tying alcoholics and wife abusers to the people at the anti-war rally.
    Huh ?
    Did you know that the crowd was filled with pedophiles and racists too?
    Or could have been !!
    Maybe.
    See ,didn't that logic easily explain how a priest can be a dirty hippie ?
    Huh?.... again.
    And because our lame one convinced no one ( himself?) that he made his point, THAT was the altruistic purpose for slandering the
    good people that came as far from Oregon, drove hours and countless miles to come to DC because of conscience, to stand up against a president who continues to defy the will of the American people.

    Yes, this guy is one great thinker, masquerading as a vicious carnival side show act.

    Now just think of the context of what really went down on Saturday.

    Our forefathers impelled us to question our leaders and hold them accountable to it's citizens.In fact,they said, it was our patriotic duty, and if we didn't, we'd risk tyranny.
    The people who came on Saturday,(yes, it was over 100,000) were practicing patriotism of the highest order.
    No...
    "Silence is not an option any longer! "

    Nowhere did our founding fathers ever tell us or encourage us to be cheerleaders FOR our elected leaders.As a matter of fact, they warned us against it.

    Enter, this little worm of a man, Cee.( thank you Grammie)
    His views are in direct contradiction of Thomas Jefferson's and his other good buddies from Boston and Philadelphia.
    They would consider this type of slimeball, a traitor, to the principals set forth for this nation.

    It seems that patriotism is one of the most common terms used during times of war. Governments often use propaganda about nationalism to advocate their political views to lead their country to war.

    Lapdog fell for the bait, willingly submitted , bent over and spread his cheeks ( for Bush)
    Our oral lapdog graduated to being a "bottom" for his master.
    This is the twisted f---'s version of patriotism.

    His pathetic excuse for his deplorable slurs on the good people of this country and questioning THEIR patriotism was inexcusable.
    He dug deep( from his anal cavity) to try to rationalize his ridiculous comments but instead just dug a deeper hole for himself.
    He had no reasonable answers for comments like "The troops are anti troops"
    and Gold star mothers, WWII vets in wheelchairs were "dirty hippies".( could there possibly be?)

    Yes, Cee, you are what we think you are,and it's not a pretty sight.

    War cheerleaders, such as yourself, can and should be met with ridicule and scorn.
    Your motto: "Give war a chance" makes you a laughing stock within your generation.
    Thank God people who think like you, have been marginalized, their numbers are dwindling down to nothing, just a pus ridden, insignificant little pimple, about to be popped.

    ( You do have my permission to reproduce this post and show it to your children, when they
    ask Mommy, "What's Daddy really like" ?)

    ( You do have my permission to reproduce this post and show it to your children, when they
    ask Mommy, "What's Daddy really like" ?)

    Posted by: Bob at January 30, 2007 3:29 AM


    No.

    This post reveals what the father of your kids is "really like".

    But I wouldn't wish them to see it in a million years.

    The Buffalo Watching Cowards and Devils spered: "Al Franken has been asked to run for Senate by the people of his state, Minnesota."

    Yeah, the same idiots elected pro rassler Jesse "The Bod" Ventura. The folks in Minnesota are almost as dumb as New Yorkers who elected Arkansas hillbilly Hillary "stand by your adulterer" Clinton. What a hoot!

    I'm a liberal Democrat. A liberal Democrat who thinks Keith Olbermann is a hack and an insult to journalism. Why that's so hard for you to comprehend I don't know but he's no hero to me. I know you worship at his altar or you wouldn't spend so much time here defending him, but there are plenty of us who see through his bullshit.

    Dear Hulk,

    Even a pro-wrestler ran his state better than Bush ran Texas, is that what you are attempting to say? And Clinton, still beloved while he was being impeached, was such a great president that Bush's father seems to prefer his company over his loser son's...

    Kurt,

    I did ten years in Texas myself. Although, I wasn't around during the great Bush fire sale, my parents, who live in Lubbock, got to experience his leadership...

    Is this the same Texas that voted 59% for Bush in 00
    Is this the same Texas that voted 62% for Bush in 04
    Sounds like you a--holes that claim he was so hated in Texas are an a--hole minority.

    Nice measuring stick for you whacko Dems.
    Don't forget that the beloved Gore couldn't win his own state
    in 2000 when Tennesee went 51% to Bush.

    Is this the same Texas that voted 59% for Bush in 00
    Is this the same Texas that voted 62% for Bush in 04

    Yup, that's the same Bush who dismantled THEIR pollution laws just like he did for the whole USA as president.
    Texas was THE most polluted state in the union when Bush was governor.

    Waaaaaahhhhhhh!

    OSLO (Reuters) - Thirteen percent of Americans have never heard of global warming even though their country is the world's top source of greenhouse gases, a 46-country survey showed on Monday.

    The report, by ACNielsen of more than 25,000 Internet users, showed that 57 percent of people around the world considered global warming a "very serious problem" and a further 34 percent rated it a "serious problem."

    "It has taken extreme and life-threatening weather patterns to finally drive the message home that global warming is happening and is here to stay unless a concerted, global effort is made to reverse it," said Patrick Dodd, the President of ACNielsen Europe.

    People in Latin America were most worried while U.S. citizens were least concerned with just 42 percent rating global warming "very serious."

    The United States emits about a quarter of all greenhouse gases, the biggest emitter ahead of China, Russia and India.

    Thirteen percent of U.S. citizens said they had never heard or read anything about global warming, the survey said.

    Almost all climate scientists say that temperatures are creeping higher because of heat-trapping greenhouse gases released by burning fossil fuels.

    The study also found that 91 percent of people had heard about global warming and 50 percent reckoned it was caused by human activities.

    A U.N. report due on Friday is set to say it is at least 90 percent probable that human activities are the main cause of warming in the past 50 years.

    People in China and Brazil were most convinced of the link to human activities and Americans least convinced.

    Hurray we're #1.( at the bottom )

    Benson: crying while he's choking on fumes.
    Apropo !

    Benson,

    The fact that Gore didn't win his home state is a non sequitar...who cares...

    The majority in Texas voted for Bush and he gave them the only deficit in their history...

    To Bushkills Falls and Irish drunk Buffalo,
    Your ignorance of what Latin is doesn't suprise me considering the ignorant mind of most Americans. Here's a history of Hispanic/Italian relations.
    After the wars with Carthage Spain was settled by Italians. The native inhabitants were Celts and they were intermarried with the Roman settlers. Thus becoming Spaniards.
    The Roman Empire was at it's height under Hispanic Emperors: Trajan,Hadrian,Antoninious Pious and Marcos Aurelius.
    Christopher Columbus an Italian discovered the Americas for the Spanish.
    Spain controlled Sicily for 600 years and Naples(my homeland)for 300.
    At the Battle of Lepanto it was Spanish and Italian fleet that defeated the Turks.
    60% of Argentinians are of Italian origin. I know, I have family there!
    I've visited Italy, Spain and various other Latin American nations and saw 1st hand how thw towns look similiar and the cultural affinities. In fact when I told people I was Italian they loved it. My Grandparents on my Dad's side are from Naples. When they came here they lived in a Puerto Rican neigborhood and quickly learned Spanish, since the Italian is actually very close to Spanish. My Dad grew up speaking Spanish and Italian. I grew up speaking Spanish.
    The Romans called themselves Latin peoples and the area around Rome is called Latium. Italian/Spaniards/Portuguese are Latins! In fact the reason Latin America is called "Latin" America is because the settlers were from Espana, Italia and Portugal. If they were just Spanish, it would've been called Spanish America.
    The Latin Europeans who settled in the Americas mixed in with Blacks, Native Americans and Asians. They became the Latin Americans. Bot the Latin Americans and the Latin Euros are 2 branches of the same family. That's something most racist Americans can't understand.

    Hey Drunken Irish Buffalo fool,
    As for your relatives that are Italians who don't admit they're Latin, that's because they came here in the early 20th century and many of them decided to become Anglonized and they ;lost their history, language and culture. But open your eyes and you'll notice something. Hispanics and Italians look similiar. that means they 're the same race. Your relatives are fake Italians who pretend to be Irish. You see my Mom's side of the family are real Sicilians and they don't like the Italians who act like Irish racist jerks like you!

    Cecilia of the "sonnets of confusion " fame chirping in.

    Bob's post is "Post of the Year"!

    He nailed the unholy Cee, and had a nice backhand slap for his agent, Cecilia.

    "You are what we know you to be "
    Perfect !

    Hey Bushkill Falls,
    Did you raed my responce to your ignorant post?

    TRIVIA
    Which sport am I.

    36
    have been accused of spousal abuse

    7
    have been arrested for fraud

    19
    have b een accused of writing bad checks

    117
    have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

    3
    have done time for assault

    71
    cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

    14
    have been arrested on drug-related charges 

    8
    have been arrested for shoplifting

    21
    currently are
    defendants in lawsuits

    84
    have been arrested for drunk driving
    in the last year

    Canyou guess which organization this is?

    It's the 535 members of the United
    StatesCongress.

    Genovese: :"Did you RAED my response to your ignorant post?"

    Another case of the pot calling the kettle black..except in this case, the kettle is not nearly as black as the pot.

    Heu Bushkills,
    Where are you.? I want to see your stupid responce.

    KAF:

    You may be a Democrat, and you MAY even be some sort of a 'liberal', but I personally doubt it.

    That said, you are free to call yourself whatever you wish. However, that really is not important, even though you love to keep ramming that little piece of trivia in everyone's face as if it somehow were.

    As far as I can tell, the only serious 'stands' that KO has taken is that he is staunchly against this war and President Bush's power grabbing Administration.

    The fact is, that does NOT make KO a 'liberal', nor does it belie any personal claim that he may have made that he is not a liberal! It simply makes him anti-war and pro-constitution....big difference!

    Keep right on ranting about how you are a "liberal Democrat...but I hate him anyway", as if that somehow increases your own legitimacy... thats your priviledge...but you you are clearly not passionately against this war, nor do you obviously care very much about Bush's tampering with individual rights and privacies, backing of torture, and his administration's power grabs... because THAT is what Olbermann's focus has been, and THAT is the main reason I back him, even as he remains an imperfect 'journalist'.

    Mike-
    How do you explain his pandering to left wing rock stars like the Clintons? They are hardly huge opponents of the war (until now) and only recently anti-Bush... which most assume is to set them up for 2008. KeithO is as left as Rush is right.

    Mike,
    "nor do you obviously care very much about Bush's tampering with individual rights and privacies, backing of torture, and his administration's power grabs"

    What rights have been taken away from me? I didn't know this and I though only Islamic radicals were being tortured? If that's the case, who cares!

    What rights have been taken away from me? I didn't know this and I though only Islamic radicals were being tortured? If that's the case, who cares!

    Well apparently you have no friends who are canadian (who can and have been picked up and tortured) or friends who from mexico (who could be picked up and tortured) or friends who are indian (who could be picked up and tortured) or friends who are chinese (who could be picked up and tortured) or friends who are british (who could be picked up and tortured) or friends who
    are japanese (who could be picked up and tortured) or friends who are jamacian (who could be picked up and tortued.) and so on and so on.

    Which is lucky for you, because if you were the sort of person who would make frineds with such rif-raff, they could be picked up and tortured.

    There is no mystery Benson, KO may just be 'pandering' to the Democrats because it is largely the Republicans who started and backed this war, and everything the President has done since.

    Thats enough to make ME a "leftie panderer" at the moment as well, even though I have a long personal history of voting mostly Conservative Republican until 2004.

    I personally want to see everyone associated with backing this war swept out of government, but I'm realistic enough to know that isn't actually going to happen. However, in the meantime, I CAN back the lesser of evils...and that is really all that is going on here.

    Genovese:

    How do you KNOW that "only Islamic radicals were being tortured"? The truth is you don't! You don't have a CLUE who is being detained and tortured, and whether or not they actually are "Islamic Radicals" or not. All you know is what your Government has told you...which is damned little!

    Second off, if you are a real American, you damned well SHOULD care about whether we torture ANYONE or not. America has stood tall for 200 years by taking a stand against cruelty and human rights abuses, regardless of who they are.

    The ugly truth is that when we stoop to the level of our enemies, we become no better than they are.

    I personally feel great shame that my country has resorted to torture, and we have a president who actually defends it. I sincerely hope that my country can somehow live this shamefull episode down and return to the high road some day in the future.

    To be against torture is as American as you can get....to be for torture is to turn your back on American ideals.

    The dear Professor Honeydew (Bob) once again shows us all the poor scheduling of his medications....at 3AM his little yellow pill is no longer working and the poor fella follows his delusions to worlds unknown to the sane...

    Still no answer to my question about the claim of the march organizers that a half million people came to DC to protest.....(lie).....

    http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

    "January 27th was an extraordinary outpouring for peace in Washington DC and in communities all around the country. On Saturday, the National Mall was filled with the voices of 500,000 people committed to doing their part to end the war in Iraq and bring all of the troops home. And the energy in this massive turnout was electric."

    And in response to his reaction to using the term, "hippie," still no answer to my questioning of the motives of indivduals who claim to care for others, yet only really take home a message of personal affirmation and express self-adulation from a "protest".....WHILE the people they were protesting against continue to do nothing with the protester's demands. Pretty weak, professor...who I will quote.....

    "It was life affirming!"

    The founding fathers would look at you with puzzled looks, dear Professor Oprah....this is not what they intended...but that discussion is for another time!

    Lastly, no comment about the twisted history of the peace movement of the '60's and '70's that ignored the pain and suffering of millions of Asians....The professor can't face that elephant in the room because he participated in the genocide and opression of millions. As a member of that lovely group..."the least generation," Professor Honeydew wants everyone to think he has all the right answers to complicated questions....I wouldn't trust the guy with picking up a pizza for me!

    I answered your questions, professor....You did not like my answers....but you don't get to grade my paper....I get to think for myself!

    Those who want immediate withdrawal from Iraq and abandonment of millions to death and destruction are wrong.....whether they are the pathetic do-nothing professor, Jane Fonda, Al Sharpton, the anarchist, the Gold Star Mom or the Veteran.

    Demogoging the issue is yet another sign of a weak argument, professor....Hiding behind the skirts of grieving mothers or the fatigues of Veterans is pathetic. Why don't you mention the nice people who spit at a veteran who supports the mission? What don't you mention the large numbers of anarchists who are socially aligned with your ideology and came to participate in protest?

    I asked for an example of my "hatred," no one could give a quote. Instead the professor twisted my words to say I said there were pedophiles et al. at the march.....Nice. I simply said that no matter what the position of the person....they can still be mistaken/wrong/evil/whatever in belief and action......My exact words.....

    "Cee is waiting to explain how priests are dirty hippies?

    "Just like a priest can be a pedophile. Just like a teacher can be a wife-beater. Just like a professor can be a racist. Just like a doctor can be an alcoholic. Just like a CEO can be an embezzler. Just like anyone can believe or do anything that is selfish, evil, wrong-headed and ill-advised....anyone can feel they are doing something honorable yet are following a philosophy that is vacant.

    "We are human...we are inherently flawed and we all make mistakes."


    ###
    SEE THE WORD "WE" professor?...Please quote me correctly in the future. Unlike YOU, I humbly realize I may be wrong but will not allow that good part of my nature keep me from having some fun with an arrogant, elitist and obviously dull person like you.

    So, sorry for the long post, everyone. I just hope Professor Honeydew has VERIZON because all of NJ is out currently (no Internet) and I need a break from his posts (which are becoming very self-rightous and filled with tiresome, correctly discarded liberal dogma).

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    The silver lining of the Bush admin's fiasco in Iraq is that, in response, the U.S. electorate is becoming more centrist. Makes perfect sense. The irrational right got power for eight years and f---ed things up but good. So centrist common sense will win now win out -- and for a while. The debacle in Iraq will last for 5-10 years yet, whether the U.S. pulls out or not. And the GOP will be paying for it throughout. The midterms were just a beginning.

    Mike,
    What non Islamic Radicals are being tortured?
    Can you list me 20 people you know personally who have been tortured? Honestly I don't even care about this crap. I don't like Bush, I'm a Moderate Joe Liberman Democrat.I agree Bush has screwd up, but he's not this Hitler like figure you on the radical Left made him out to be. Incompetant, yes. Fascist and evil, No. Stop with the paranoia Mike. This is a great country, just stay focus and make money! Don't get stressed out over Bush. Life is too short enjoy it.

    Although I'm a Democrat, I don't hate Republicans. They're my fellow Americans and I disagree with some of their views but still respect them.

    I listen to Al's Show daily and he gets repeated callers from his state literally begging him to run. They love Al as do most people who passed 9th grade.


    Posted by: The Buffalo Watching Cowards and Devils at January 29, 2007 10:44 PM
    -------------------

    Ok...just pointing out a fact here boys and girls....Rushbo gets asked the same thing be his listners ofr years and years and years

    The silver lining of the Bush admin's fiasco in Iraq is that, in response, the U.S. electorate is becoming more centrist. Makes perfect sense. The irrational right got power for eight years and f---ed things up but good. So centrist common sense will win now win out -- and for a while. The debacle in Iraq will last for 5-10 years yet, whether the U.S. pulls out or not. And the GOP will be paying for it throughout. The midterms were just a beginning.

    Posted by: at January 30, 2007 12:34 PM
    -------------------

    By centrist, you cannot mean the clinton pelosi murtha kennedy crowd...correct?

    "You are what we know you to be "
    Perfect !

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pa at January 30, 2007 10:39 AM


    That I'm perfect may be overstating the case, Bushkill. But thanks...

    "And in the ongoing scrutiny of Naked Right-Wing Propaganda Masquerading as Entertainment, an episode of Medical Investigation ran this morning and it dealt with a deadly anthrax attack."

    Again Johnny, you are picking out a show that is TWO YEARS OLD and has been LONG CANCELED. In fact, it just got back on (in reruns) less than a month ago. The least you could do is avoid looking like you're DELIBERATELY trying to find stupid things about shows that people would have to Google just to identify.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 30, 2007 2:09 AM

    -----------------------

    Medical Investigtion was an NBC show that was cancelled...it just started showing up on Slueth Channel which like USA, SciFi, Bravo are brancehes of the NBC/Universal tree

    and EE...it is not stupid to bring it up...people edit older shows for things all the time...there are 1940's cartoons where they have edited out smoking scenes so kids don't see that behavior...so, just because a show is a repeat does not mean people can't be angry about it or it cannot be adjusted

    "I'm a Moderate Joe Liberman Democrat."

    The words "moderate", "Democrat" and "Joe Lieberman" do not go together.

    Lieberman's positions have slowly been trending rightward over the years:

    - Supports damage award caps in product liability cases and limiting claims in class action lawsuits.
    - Supports "school choice" (i.e. vouchers) depsite little evidence to their success.
    - Supports "No Child Left Behind" as "progressive".
    - Supports Catholic hospitals refusal to dispense "Morning After" pills, even in cases of rape (this is how he earned the nickname "Short Ride Joe").
    - Supports Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' interpretation of the Geneva Convention.
    - Promised to invesitgate federal response to Hurricane Katrina once he became chair of the Senate Government Affairs Committee, then reversed and now claims such an investigation would be "gotcha" politics.
    - Stated that he might support the Republican candidate for President in 2008.

    Cee: "Those who want immediate withdrawal from Iraq and abandonment of millions to death and destruction are wrong".

    First...that is simply YOUR opinion...every single word of it!

    Second, you DON'T know what is going to happen in Iraq if we withdraw any more than the man in the moon does. Nor do YOU know what is ultimately going to happen if we don't. Anything and everything you cite as 'fact' in the future tense is unprovable, and therefore nothing but your personal opinion.

    That said, people like me could actually respect your opinions a little more if you would EVER say anything even remotely critical of the fools who got us into this dilemma, especially the head fool, whom you continue to treat as your personal idol!

    Also repetitively posting out of context quotes are not helping your arguments at all. They are simply wasting discussion board bandwith, and probably causing many to not even bother reading your latest rant.

    Cee is a "bottom" for Bush.
    Ain't it the truth!

    "War cheerleaders, such as yourself, can and should be met with ridicule and scorn.
    Your motto: "Give war a chance" makes you a laughing stock within your generation."

    Yes indeedy !

    a commentator/entertainer like Mr. Olbermann
    -----
    Hey KK

    Why doesn't KO and MSNBC agree with you on the description you place on olby?

    "Also repetitively posting out of context quotes are not helping your arguments at all. They are simply wasting discussion board bandwith, and probably causing many to not even bother reading your latest rant."

    Cee still posts here ?

    "and EE...it is not stupid to bring it up..."

    Oh come on...Alias was a stretch and that had been on for FIVE YEARS. This NBC product didn't even last ONE season (twenty episodes and then banished to the TV graveyard).

    We can have the discussion, but dredging up shows that NOBODY watched the first time around to make a point smacks of desperation.

    Keith Olbermann was good at Sports Center. I peeped his show recently and all I saw was anger and hate. Hate acomplishes nothing. Look at that Buffalo alcoholic. He's a miserable soul.


    Cee's logic is as incomprehensible as his illusions of the peace movement.
    What a little twirp !

    It's about time someone put cee in his place.

    Thank you Bob.

    Genovese regarding torture: "honestly I don't even care about this crap".

    Then obviously, you don't care what America's TRUE greatness is all about. You don't care if we are no better than our adversaries. You just care about yourself.

    Genovese regarding America: "This is a great country, just stay focus and make money".

    Lately, greatness in America has been equated to 'money' far too often. Money controls anything and eveything...it didn't used to to be this way, not to this extent anyway. We used count principals, morals, and ethics as loftier ideals than money. You clearly don't understand this concept.

    The politics of personal selfishness!

    Posted by Mikey:

    "How do you KNOW that "only Islamic radicals were being tortured"? The truth is you don't! You don't have a CLUE who is being detained and tortured, and whether or not they actually are "Islamic Radicals" or not. All you know is what your Government has told you...which is damned little!"

    And that's all you need to know Simple Simon. You chug on every word that comes out of Olbyloons mouth like in my best Christopher Walken, "Like some fag chugging cawk". All we've heard from Olbyloon has all been bull shit. Nothing with Hallibutron, hey? The Valerie Plame thing blew up in his face and then Olbyloon brings on Bush Hater elite David Korn where Korn tells the veiwers what was said in secret meetings with Cheney. Yeah, right.

    You and O'Leilly sure must have lives that suck that your main priorities are to defend a liar like Olbyloon. I barely can get on teh net once a week for more than a few minutes and evdery time I visit this blog yall are piling up the posts. There is no way in hell either one of you amount to shit.

    Posted by Mikey:

    "How do you KNOW that "only Islamic radicals were being tortured"? The truth is you don't! You don't have a CLUE who is being detained and tortured, and whether or not they actually are "Islamic Radicals" or not. All you know is what your Government has told you...which is damned little!"

    Why should we even respect a post like this when most people like you question the existence of God.

    I don't really need to respond to Brick at all, because anyone who reads the pathetic post he just made can see what a 'simple', shallow, and selfish human being he actually is.

    By centrist, you cannot mean the clinton pelosi murtha kennedy crowd...correct?

    Well, at this point, anyone who's against torture is more centrist than this White House -- so that leaves room for a lot of people. Rather than saying the country is becoming more centrist, it would have been more accurate to say that as a result of this administration, the country is moving more to the left. That's the silver lining of Iraq.

    Posted by Mikey:

    "How do you KNOW that "only Islamic radicals were being tortured"? The truth is you don't! You don't have a CLUE who is being detained and tortured, and whether or not they actually are "Islamic Radicals" or not. All you know is what your Government has told you...which is damned little!"

    And now you know why people like Mike Moore and Al Gore can make money off fools like this. Must be getting crowded up in Mike Moore's hairy ass crack.

    If somebody like 'Brick' thinks he is a "man of God", then what does that say for Christianity in general?

    Don't misunderstand though, I'm not Christian bashing...most Christians clearly have far loftier ideals and morals than 'Brick'.

    Posted by Mikey:

    "I don't really need to respond to Brick at all, because anyone who reads the pathetic post he just made can see what a 'simple', shallow, and selfish human being he actually is."

    I have a friend that is an engineer where I work that is Lebonese. He is a big Bush supporter, loves the US. I watched him destroy an engineer here last week that was bashing Bush. You have to love a liberal when they can't take it on the net imagine how chicken shit they would be eye ball to eye ball.

    I work in the environmental field and I'm obviously concerned with the affects of global warming on our planet.

    Every day I read about how our president has not had the best interests of this country in mind.
    I just read this article today.
    Kind of brings my point home :

    WASHINGTON - The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."


    Rep. Henry Waxman D-Calif., said he and the top Republican on his oversight committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, have sought documents from the administration on climate policy, but repeatedly been rebuffed.

    It's obvious that they have something to hide, but the damn balls of this man and what he is doing.
    How anyone can continue to support this administration is beyond me !

    Posted by Mikey:

    "If somebody like 'Brick' thinks he is a "man of God", then what does that say for Christianity in general?"

    Um, no. 1, you said you were above rsponding to my posts. Well loony?

    Um, no. 2, I never said I was religious. I'll be "left behind" and when I do it will be open season for me on people like you.

    Sigh, Brick, Brick, Brick:

    On the contrary, I came on the net partially because almost nobody could hold their own "eyeball to eyeball" in a debate with me on this subject, and most everyday Americans are actually far more concerned with who wins "American Idol" than they are with current events.

    You might also notice I don't write trash like "chicken shit", "Michael Moores' hairy ass crotch", and all the other similar simpleton crap like that I've been seeing in your posts all along. You use that stuff as a crutch because you cannot actually coherently argue an issue, so you try to demean your opponent instead.

    Specter: Bush Not Sole 'Decision-Maker'
    By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON - A Senate Republican on Tuesday directly challenged President Bush's declaration that "I am the decision-maker" on issues of war.

    "I would suggest respectfully to the president that he is not the sole decider," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said during a hearing on Congress' war powers amid an increasingly harsh debate over Iraq war policy. "The decider is a shared and joint responsibility," Specter said.

    The question of whether to use its power over the government's purse strings to force an end to the war in Iraq, and under what conditions, is among the issues faced by the newly empowered Democratic majority in Congress, and even some of the president's political allies as well.

    No one challenges the notion that Congress can stop a war by canceling its funding. In fact, Vice President Dick Cheney challenged Congress to back up its objections to Bush's plan to put 21,500 more troops in Iraq by zeroing out the war budget.

    Underlying Cheney's gambit is the consensus understanding that such a drastic move is doubtful because it would be fraught with political peril.

    WASHINGTON - The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."

    Posted by: Marie at January 30, 2007 1:25 PM


    "mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming"


    Priceless! The perfect New Age crime...

    Does this mean that GW is a politicized issue, Sen Waxman?

    Say it ain't so!... :D

    We can have the discussion, but dredging up shows that NOBODY watched the first time around to make a point smacks of desperation.

    Posted by: Ensign Expendable at January 30, 2007 1:03 PM
    -------

    ee

    this is your opinion

    plus no response to the other portion of my post that exampled other items

    also, please compare first run ratings of this show vs first run ratings of KO

    Mike,
    This country is all about money. It's like Wu Tang said back in '94 Cash Rules Everything Around Me! That's all most people care about. Get ober it! Money Rules!

    Genovese regarding money: "thats all most people care about".

    Actually, you are completely wrong! You need money to live but when you begin to worship it, you become something less than you started as.

    "this is your opinion"

    When a show is as heavily hyped as this one was pulls in only 8 million viewers a week (less than half the viewrs who watched "House" in the same time slot), it's a failure no matter how you slice it.

    "plus no response to the other portion of my post that exampled other items"

    Shows are edited for content, yes. They are also edited for time ("Star Trek" and "M*A*S*H*" are the most notable for their "trimmed" syndication cuts). "Law and Order" even experimented with ADDING product placement into reruns by means of digital overlay.

    Sometimes it is editorial, sometimes it is economical. You can't compare decisions of CONTENT from shows 50 years ago to decisions of FINANCE today.

    "also, please compare first run ratings of this show vs first run ratings of KO"

    Irrelevant comparison - NBC is NETWORK, while MSNBC is CABLE. Not everyone recieves MSNBC while anyone with an antenna can get NBC.

    Priceless! The perfect New Age crime...

    Does this mean that GW is a politicized issue, Sen Waxman?

    Say it ain't so!... :D

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 30, 2007 1:39 PM

    Notice how Cecilia conveniently avoids this part of the story:
    AND the top Republican on his oversight committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, have sought documents from the administration on climate policy, but repeatedly been rebuffed.

    Kinda shoots her dumb point to smithereens !
    The president is hiding information (for obvious reasons) and WAXMAN and republican DAVIS is politicizing the issue?


    "The only cowards, the only dishonorable people, were those who refused to make a decision, those who scurried to the Registrar's offices for deferment-upon-deferment"

    You must be talking about that coward :3 deferments Cheney !

    Bushkill Falls, Pa,
    Hey read my post. You know so much about Latin culture. Expalin what I wrote you ignorant fag!


    CENTCOM CHIEF: IRAQ SOLUTION REQUIRES MORE THAN MILITARY FORCE

    -- Advocates Realism, Flexibility, Diplomacy; Everything BushCo Has Rejected All Along --

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Stabilizing Iraq will require "new and different actions" to improve security and promote political reconciliation, the Navy admiral poised to lead American forces in the Middle East said Tuesday. Admiral William Fallon, at his confirmation hearing, also told the Senate Armed Services Committee that it may be time to "redefine the goals" in Iraq. "I believe the situation in Iraq can be turned around, but time is short," he said. Fallon, 62, who currently is commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, said he saw a need for a comprehensive approach to Iraq, including economic and political actions to resolve a problem that requires more than military force. "What we have been doing has not been working," he said. "We have got to be doing, it seems to me, something different."


    Marie, Cecilia can't handle anyone being right about global warming in her presence.
    She gets very edgy as the evidence mounts that the Bush Administration has been manipulating the global warming science.
    It throws a monkey wrench into her backward beliefs on the subject and just makes her look foolish.

    Marie, Cecilia can't handle anyone being right about global warming in her presence.
    She gets very edgy as the evidence mounts that the Bush Administration has been manipulating the global warming science.
    It throws a monkey wrench into her backward beliefs on the subject and just makes her look foolish.

    Just like how a good sectarian regressive should!

    Expalin what I wrote you ignorant fag!

    Posted by: Genovese at January 30, 2007 3:17 PM

    Isn't it time for school dismissal, sonny ?

    Idea! We dangle a carrot of sorts (say, a naked lady) in front of Bill Clinton. He follows it blindly, salivating. Every Idiot Liberal in the country then blindly, salivating-ly, follows the former Doofus In Chief to Cuba - aka Liberal Paradise - and we lock each of them up for eternity at Gitmo!

    We'll give them free (not good) healthcare, free (not good) education, and free (not good) meals on wheels. Then they'll be happy and we'll be happy.

    It's a win-win....

    Bushkill- This may hurt you but....
    OReilley believes in Global warming.
    Noooooo! The evil Oreilley.
    Does that make global warming a myth now?
    Hmmmmm.

    Bill Clinton is probably the most popular man in the entire world.
    And the dumbfarts are still trying to put him down.
    Still hasn't worked yet, MAT.

    Bushkill- This may hurt you but....
    OReilley believes in Global warming.
    Noooooo! The evil Oreilley.
    Does that make global warming a myth now?
    Hmmmmm.

    Posted by: Benson at January 30, 2007 3:23 PM

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    It's fun proving these right wing idiots how wrong they are each and every day.

    Saw it coming bro!
    Very funny

    Bill Clinton is the most popular man in the world?

    And since most of the 4+Billion people on the planet are certifiable morons (as are 98% of the Democrat Party - no "ic" as it is a fascistic organization built on lies and other crap), I'd say since Clinton accomplished exactly zero in 8 years sounds about right.

    Accomplishment is something you set out to do, and then do it. That's why the number ZERO is appropos here. But continue your slumber if you must!

    Listen to the troops and some of our elected leaders obliterate Bush and his talking points on this video !

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013007A.shtml

    "And, I am by birth and disposition a Texan"

    From what I have seen of your posts you might be an Austinite, but you ain't no Texan.

    "I'd say since Clinton accomplished exactly zero in 8 years": from the The ignorant Matt

    Most historians put Bill Clinton's presidency as "a success".
    Dubya's : "a failure"

    Even Bill O'Reilly has admitted his presidency is a success.

    Saying it doesn't make it so , Matt.

    Bushkills,
    You have no answer. I showed you some examples of Italian/Hispanic interaction. I guess you never knew Italians are the original Latins. Romans spoke Latin, The area around Rome is called Latium. The Romans called themselves Latin.
    Spaniards come from Italians, Latin Americans come from Spaniards/Portuguese/Italians hence Latin America, not Spanish America. Comprede?

    George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst president ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.

    The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled -- nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success -- flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.

    Comprede?

    Posted by: Genovese at January 30, 2007 3:44 PM

    You mean comprende ?

    You're a great spokesperson for the Latinos.

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ah ha

    Willie 3:35: "From what I've see of your posts you might be an Austinite, but you ain't no Texan"

    Right on Willie! He cain't be no Texan if he rites that purty and he don't like our president!

    Bushkill- Ouch- you agree with OReilley TWICE today.
    Are you that imposter blogger that shows up periodically?

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ah ha-

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h (((ah ah ha)))))

    You choking?

    By the way- You lefties prop this Plame thing up like anyone other than you cares. Taking down a cabinet member is quite an accomplishment if it happens.

    Bushkill Falls, Pa,
    did I ever say I was a spokesman for all Latins? All I pointed out is that Italians aren't Anglo-Saxon. They're of Roman/Latin origin. Read some history and you'll see the cultural, linguistic, religious and racial ties between, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Latin Americans and Filipinos. Since my Dad's family is real Italian from Naples I know about my culture more than brainwashed wanna be Irish, Italian Americans.
    That being said, who cares! Aren't we all supposed to be Americans? That's why I'm a Democrat, because my party belives in uniting people. But lately the radical Left wants to divide people. What's going on?

    "you lefties prop this Plame thing up like anyone other than you cares."

    Yep, just ignor it and it will go away.

    The U.N. climate panel, an authoritative group on global warming numbering 2,500 experts, is set to give its strongest warning yet that human activities are heating the planet and that warming may cause huge damage to nature by 2100.

    Schtoopit scientist

    You can't site the U.N. here.
    That organization gets immediately swiftboated.
    You know, ignore the content, attack the source.
    Like CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
    Basically anyone who reports something that disagrees with the ideological irrational right.

    Because you guys love the UN. Pick your fight! The UN is more corrupt than the Bush administration by far! But that would cloud your message- Bush is eeeeevil!

    The UN is more corrupt than the Bush administration by far! But that would cloud your message- Bush is eeeeevil!

    no, the message is:
    The U.N. climate panel, an authoritative group on global warming numbering 2,500 experts, is set to give its strongest warning yet that human activities are heating the planet and that warming may cause huge damage to nature by 2100.

    Just responding to your-
    "can't site the UN" post.

    "Also repetitively posting out of context quotes are not helping your arguments at all. They are simply wasting discussion board bandwith, and probably causing many to not even bother reading your latest rant."

    That's too bad because people simply ignore the facts of my post and dismiss it all with adolescent sexual references....that's fine....
    because citing the left's hero McGovern's racism is more important to me anyway...

    What do you mean by out of context? The original posts of these quotes were were discussed at length....NO ONE ever addressed their implications.

    Ignoring the facts and opinions I present simply shows you have NO response. That's fine too because the more they are ignored the more confident I feel that you do not have an informed response (ie South Vietnamese refugees, the parallels to the power struggle in sectarian Iraq, the actual ideology of those "protesting," the war....their other goals and doctrines)

    But I have seen many leftists come and go in defeat here so it would be par for the course....The Wizard of Oz (Colbert), Sir Loin of Milquetoast, codas, etc....

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK


    "Like CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
    Basically anyone who reports something that disagrees with the ideological irrational right."

    Don't forget the AP, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, BBC, and LA Times.


    The UN is more corrupt than the Bush administration by far! But that would cloud your message- Bush is eeeeevil!

    My god your right!! And all 2500 scientist are in on it!

    cee

    Once again, I draw your attention to this article from The Cincinnati Beacon:

    http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/bill_sloat_ace_news_hawk_or_modicum_of_credibility/

    There is video attached showing that Mr. Sparling was separated from the anti-war protesters by a good twenty feet. So that must have been one hell of a loogie to reach his feet (and conversely, for him to fire back with his own spittle).

    Also read this eyewitness account:

    http://hughesforamerica.typepad.com/hughes_for_america/2007/01/my_take_on_satu.html

    The Washington Post and The Associated Press DID NOT cover this as part of their story on the protests.

    I smell month-old flounder...


    FEDERAL LAWSUIT REVEALS FBI USING BROAD INTERNET DATA-MINING SURVEILLANCE

    -- Unsurveilled Websurfing Added to Long List of Freedoms Not Lost Under Bush Administration --

    ONLINE (CNETnews) -- The FBI appears to have adopted an invasive Internet surveillance technique that collects far more data on innocent Americans than previously has been disclosed. Instead of recording only what a particular suspect is doing, agents conducting investigations appear to be assembling the activities of thousands of Internet users at a time into massive databases, according to current and former officials. That database can subsequently be queried for names, e-mail addresses or keywords. Such a technique is broader and potentially more intrusive than the FBI's Carnivore surveillance system, later renamed DCS1000. It raises concerns similar to those stirred by widespread Internet monitoring that the National Security Agency is said to have done, according to documents that have surfaced in one federal lawsuit, and may stretch the bounds of what's legally permissible.


    EE...

    The first link did not work.

    The other link was an editorial and I have a very difficult time believing an eyewitness account from someone who ends the post with:

    "It's clear Sparling's got a bone to pick with someone. Problem is, it shouldn't be the people who are fighting to bring his friends home and to make sure he gets the benefits he deserves. The other problem, sadly, is that there seems to be quite a bit of notoriety in becoming a prop of the Republican Party. If Sparling would only realize that he was a right-wing prop while he was in Iraq and not just after, the sooner he'd realize the focus of his anger is so laughably misplaced."

    I must say that accusing an Iraq War Veteran of being "a prop" is dehumanizing and sad....and it says a lot for how the left sees people....they are props to be used to advance an ideology....I do not agree with that take on humanity.

    BTW, this is how Professor Honeydew (Bob) used the priests, Gold Star Moms, AND anti-war troops....they are pawns in his rhetorical game!....

    Sparling has been at the receiving end of hatemail from self admitted anti-war activists....

    http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004341.htm

    I know MM is a villian to the left...but simply look at the facts of the archive and respond.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK


    "...Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07 "

    So what is it you are eluding to? That some how the Abu Ghraib prison fiasco was brought about by a claim of a sighting of spitting on the ground? Is this how you prove your support for our troops? With Hannity like suggestions and irrelevent linkage? Only the ignorant are susceptible to such simple suggestion.

    Let's face it the in-sighting of hate and dedication to killing readily available Americans in the middle east region was sent over the edge not by spitting on the ground by someones feet but by the arrogance of the neo-con mentality in the first months after the invasion.

    Allowing a personal media free-for-all by the soldiers running the Abu Ghraib prison was pure stupidity, a public relations nightmare that resulted in many more GI's dying and being wounded because of hatred it brewed showing Muslims being humiliated in the manner displayed on televisions and the Internet across the planet. All provided by GI's who had zero leadership and guidance from anyone with an interest in winning this war.

    So discussion of who owns this war in terms of Dems or Repubs is pure nonsense from the perspective of those who have to die in this war.

    Our GI's are being killed more than needed simply because Bush and his "Jesus is my favorite person" arrogance has totally missmanaged this war from the beginning.

    I don't need to waste my time counting how many times Cee has posted this "they own it if they fund it" bullshit. What a lame way to shift blame where blame belongs - square on the backs of the hillbilly voters who granted Bush et al the "political capital" to run this war in the worst way possible.

    Jesus save us... from your followers!

    Posted by a Real dumb ass:


    "And to answer your question, yes. They are more than willing to sit up on there on their sorry asses and collect grant money."

    There never was a question moron. It was a statment.


    "If I were president I'd send a plane up to Anartica and tell those scientists to make sure they got on it when it left because it was the last chance to fly back because it was a long walk back."

    That is because you are a moron who believes in fairy tales like the invisible father watching over us, as opposed to anything approached in an objective way.

    "2500 scientists in on it?"

    Yeah? How about the thousands that say there is no global warming? Hum?

    many more say it and ever major scientific body says it's real how about that? Hum?

    "Global warming is only a theory and has not been proven."

    If you are "degreed" in anything I'll eat my shorts. a theory is a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

    meaning lots and lots of evidence like relativity. We get atom bombs because of that.

    "If all the ice were to melt, the ocean floor will sink from the weight and force the continents upward. There would only be about a net gain of two feet inward of the sea."

    Well GREAT! that would only cause: "change would be expected to have a number of impacts, particularly on coastal systems.[29] Such impacts may include increased coastal erosion, higher storm-surge flooding, inhibition of primary production processes, more extensive coastal inundation, changes in surface water quality and groundwater characteristics, increased loss of property and coastal habitats, increased flood risk and potential loss of life, loss of nonmonetary cultural resources and values, impacts on agriculture and aquaculture through decline in soil and water quality, and loss of tourism, recreation, and transportation functions."

    Now, if little old Joe Geologist like me knows that fact how the hell did Al Gore and all those 2500 scientists get that part of his friggin
    documentary so wrong.

    You are not a geologist. You are most likely a garbage man or possibly a walmart greeter.

    "I already know the answer. Scientist are big liars and atheists."

    HAHAHA Well make sure you don't go to the doctor when you are sick don't want those "Atheist" operating on you.

    "Hey, they have two key attributes for being a liberal. That's why I'm an engineer instead of a geologist."

    I doubt you are either.

    "The oceans will never even come close to what he says. That's a fact."


    The only fact is that you are a bufoon. Now get the hell out of here before you really get embarrassed.


    Stupid Buffalo Mick,
    Hey lardass, So you said you have Italian relatives. Well, My Dad's parents are from Naples and I've been to Italy. Italians are Latins dimbag. Explain genious what's a Latin, you Mick?

    Buffalo Bitch ass,
    Where are you. Did your shift at the local Liquor store end?

    In the words of those serving as reported by Richard Engle, NBC.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/30/if-theyre-going-to-support-us-support-us-all-the-way/

    Comic Book Store Guy (Buffalo) does the left justice, along with the lofty professor (Bob).

    Boiling it all down to a belief in Yeshua as the Son of God.....this is logic at its finest.

    I really do enjoy watching the reps from the fringe of the left post on this site....it restores my motivation in the causes I work for.

    Here you go again Comic Book Store Guy...my annoying sign-off (BTW are you at all related to the lovely George McGovern?...You sound like you know him well!)

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Mike, when this website is renamed Bushwatch, then I'll let you know what pisses me off about Bush--(the short answer is: just about everything.) But since this site is called O-L-B-E-R-M-A-N-N-W-A-T-C-H, I'll remain on-subject, unlike you and use other venues to vent my anger and disgust at Bush and use THIS venue to vent my anger and disgust at Olbermann.

    Mike, when this website is renamed Bushwatch, then I'll let you know what pisses me off about Bush--(the short answer is: just about everything.) But since this site is called O-L-B-E-R-M-A-N-N-W-A-T-C..."

    Well given that Olbermann's comments every single night have to do with Bush, then it is appropriate to discuss whether Olbermann is correct or not about the president don't you think?

    "must say that accusing an Iraq War Veteran of being "a prop" is dehumanizing and sad....and it says a lot for how the left sees people....they are props to be used to advance an ideology....I do not agree with that take on humanity."

    I agree. I'm sure you are equally outraged that Cindy Sheehan is often refered to as "A tool of the left" Something that is dehumanizing and sad.

    Cindy Sheehan gave Hugo Chavez a blowjob and has promiscous sex. She's a slut!

    "Cindy Sheehan gave Hugo Chavez a blowjob and has promiscous sex. She's a slut"

    We are talking about a womnen who lost her child fighting this war. Not your mom (who is currently blowing me).

    Lapdog( Bush's bottom) :"must say that accusing an Iraq War Veteran of being "a prop" is dehumanizing and sad....and it says a lot for how the left sees people...

    But accusing an Iraq War veteran of being anti- American is just fine and dandy to Lapdog.
    Could he be any more of a hypocrite if he worked at it?
    This is just simple logic.
    Lapdog fakes such outrage when there's a report of someone spitting on a vet( FROM 20 FEET AWAY,THAT'S A HELL OF A SPIT)
    but then turns around and calls vets "anti-american dirty hippies"and THEN tries to justify it.

    You're inconsistency is getting way out of hand.You're attempt to try to justify it is laughable at best.

    The right's lack of logic is startling:
    We're supposed to believe that Bush can secure the borders in Iraq,WHEN HE CAN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THAT FEAT IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
    We're supposed to believe that we can rebuild Iraq,WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN REBUILD NEW ORLEANS.

    This is not complicated stuff here.
    It's simple logic, and it's lost on Lapdog and the right.

    And the idiot cee keeps bringing up George McGovern, as if he has any relevancy in 2007.
    (But never a mention of the real architects of war)

    Cee rants and raves about the SouthVietnamese left behind( even though I proved to him last week many found safe shores on their own continent)
    but never is there a mention of the 58,000 dead americans in this illegal war.

    Cee rants and raves about the poor Iraqis that will be left behind, but NEVER the 3000 plus dead Americans and 10's of thousands Americans w/o limbs.

    Bush's bottom will use any justification for war and always using foreign lives over American lives as his cause celebrite!

    You know ... i was web surfing and I found what I linked to in my daily web-surf, and it did two things:

    1. It reminded me of that spat that Buffalo got me into last night.

    &

    2. It reminded me of how correct that I am in response to Buffalo.

    Newsbusters apparently re-highlighted this whole entire "contrevorsy" of exhibit A, "Bill O' Reilly. What we have here is Bill O' Reilly back on the horse of paranoia and over-persperation of the average No Spin Zone excercise like so many others. In the latest offense, we have O' Reilly rehashing that NBC is a liberal womb of bias. Apparently, this attack cuts it for the high ethics that Bill O' Reilly espouses when he is in a mood to gloat.

    This is not decent journalism and it shant be worthy for cable news. How many times have we heard about this whole entire dilema-from either FOX News or MSNBC ?!? Lots of times! Too many! If Bill O' Reilly is correct in his assertion over this corporation, then he had better be, because he is taking down other people's time when he goes overboard with his swipes and the opposition has to respond.

    Exhibit B, "Keith Olbermann". Keith Olbermann has
    not went through this whole bash somebody to the point of responding cow-tow. Nope, Keith Olbermann would rather talk about thee most lucrid and obvious stories that have already been circulated in the media about the Bush administration and ads negative conotations to them with the same old gaggle of commentators to back him up amidst a plethora of humourous stints here and there for tradition's sake.

    Tonight we are going to here another one of Keith's overdramatic Special Comments. I think he is goin to add the protestor's pro-peace theme. I am so tired of hearing about everything that is going wrong with the war in Iraq. Nowhere do they even hint at stories that do not involve massive casualties and advancing struggles in Iraq. Nobody puts this war in perspective. The media and Keith Olbermann get away with their anti-war message simply because the war teetered in their eyes. That is not true journalism.

    The problem is that nobody from the White House is in any type of position to respond. They are war mongers to the eyes of many. Despite the fact that the only ones who are truly war mongers are the ones who are always getting carried away with the bad news of Iraq so much that there are no shades of grey to the war. Just shades of red. Blood. When so many negativity-focused aardvarks of gloomy news go on to get ready to rip the president a new one every night in the same old ways. The same news, the same failures repeated and repeated and Buffalo thinks that he is helping Keith Olbermann by bashing those that have doubts about wether weare truly losing the war in Iraq when this nation has so many cities and peoples and power. So much more to think about besides the civil war that can be ended if we unite as a nation.

    There is Buffalo's response. Same old moldy Keith Olbermann rhetoric not needed here or in other parts of the world.

    This is an example of Mike's brain NOT at work. I'm apparently not a liberal or a Democrat in his eyes because I don't/won't bash Bush here on this page devoted to Keith Olbermann. But Keith Olbermann who DOES bash Bush with each and every show is NOT a liberal because he doesn't "discuss" any other liberal issues. Honestly, I couldn't make Mike's lunacy up if I tried. But thanks for the laugh.

    Professor Honeydew (Bob)...You continue with the denial about the value you thought you brought to the world....the "least generation" just has to believe the South Vietnamese were safe after the wonderful American radical left forced the "baby killers" out....

    try this link professor....

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB6.1B.GIF

    START AT LINE 635 PROFESSOR.....THIS IS WHAT YOU LEFT BEHIND IN VIETNAM!

    So, was your hero McGovern right?

    I don't think so.....and you and those WAY less than 100K in DC are wrong AGAIN. (or was it 500K?....you never addressed that lie either!)

    Defend the weak, help the oppressed, do not surrender.

    You make me sick with your lies, professor.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    More scholarly work the professor chooses to ignore because it shows he may have been mistaken about his wonderful work in 1971.....

    http://jim.com/repression.htm

    "Indeed, there exist documents published in the Vietnamese legal code that supply ample justification for a large program of postliberation executions. The regulation on the punishment of counterrevolutionary crimes was promulgated initially by Ho Chi Minh in 1967 and was later reissued in 1976. It includes a list of about fifteen counterrevolutionary crimes and provides for a dual level of punishment: severe punishment, i.e., execution or long­term imprisonment, for "all counter­ revolutionary masterminds, leaders, diehards and principal culprits;" and relative leniency, i.e., three to fifteen years in jail, for "those who have been coerced and inveigled to go astray and those who have truly repented." Prior to reunification in 1976, the Provisional Revolutionary Government reissued this document concerning anti­revolutionary crimes. The 1976 decree continues to list the death penalty for treason, spying, and sabotaging national unification. In both the 1967 and 1976 versions, the counter­ revolutionary crime is defined in an all­ inclusive fashion, which supplies justification for capital punishment for all those who resist the revolution in any form.

    "In addition, and particularly important, in an aide­memoire to Amnesty International in 1981, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam specifically rejected the principle of non­retroactivity by claiming that the laws of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam had been applicable to all citizens of South Vietnam from 1945 onward. In this perspective, it is quite obvious that high­ranking members of the Army and civil administration of Vietnam could be considered to have blatantly transgressed the law of the land and therefore deserve severe punishment.

    "What are the numbers involved in extrajudicial executions? Looking only at deaths that were due to active willful acts rather than passive neglect, and using highly conservative coding and accounting procedures in the study's sample estimation, I came to an estimate of approximately 65,000 persons executed. I suspected all along that this probably was an underestimate. But I am more convinced now that it is an underestimate because the computations are based in part on the assumption that no more than one million people were processed through reeducation camps. As a matter of fact, we know now from a 1985 statement by Nguyen Co Tach that two and a half million, rather than one million, people went through reeducation. The change in statistical parameters resulting from that recent admission would indicate that, in fact, possibly more than 100,000 Vietnamese people were victims of extrajudicial executions in the last ten years."


    ###
    The Communists were the choice of the professor and his ilk for the South Vietnamese then.....and the militant islamists are their choice for the Iraqis now!

    Hurrah for progress!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    I hear crickets.....no professor (Bob)...

    It's a nice sound.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    First the UN, now the IPCC! It's the biggest damn conspiracy ever!


    A major international analysis of climate change due Friday will conclude that humankind's reliance on fossil fuels — coal, fuel oil and natural gas — is to blame for global warming, according to three scientists familiar with the research on which it is based.
    The gold-standard Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report represents "a real convergence happening here, a consensus that this is a total global no-brainer," says U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, former director of the federal government's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in New Jersey.

    I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden


    Translation: This war is a total cluster f--- and the only way we can keep the Democrats from controlling government for the next 10 years is to try and pass some of the blame to them for our war.

    any irrational rightists out there? or am i the only idiot here?

    cee

    "Indeed, there exist documents published in the Vietnamese legal code that supply ample justification for a large program of postliberation executions. The regulation on the punishment of counterrevolutionary crimes was promulgated initially by Ho Chi Minh in 1967 and was later reissued in 1976. It includes a list of about fifteen counterrevolutionary crimes and provides for a dual level of punishment: severe punishment, i.e., execution or long­term imprisonment, for "all counter­ revolutionary masterminds, leaders, diehards and principal culprits;" and relative leniency, i.e., three to fifteen years in jail, for "those who have been coerced and inveigled to go astray and those who have truly repented." Prior to reunification in 1976, the Provisional Revolutionary Government reissued this document concerning anti­revolutionary crimes. The 1976 decree continues to list the death penalty for treason, spying, and sabotaging national unification. In both the 1967 and 1976 versions, the counter­ revolutionary crime is defined in an all­ inclusive fashion, which supplies justification for capital punishment for all those who resist the revolution in any form.

    "In addition, and particularly important, in an aide­memoire to Amnesty International in 1981, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam specifically rejected the principle of non­retroactivity by claiming that the laws of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam had been applicable to all citizens of South Vietnam from 1945 onward. In this perspective, it is quite obvious that high­ranking members of the Army and civil administration of Vietnam could be considered to have blatantly transgressed the law of the land and therefore deserve severe punishment.

    "What are the numbers involved in extrajudicial executions? Looking only at deaths that were due to active willful acts rather than passive neglect, and using highly conservative coding and accounting procedures in the study's sample estimation, I came to an estimate of approximately 65,000 persons executed. I suspected all along that this probably was an underestimate. But I am more convinced now that it is an underestimate because the computations are based in part on the assumption that no more than one million people were processed through reeducation camps. As a matter of fact, we know now from a 1985 statement by Nguyen Co Tach that two and a half million, rather than one million, people went through reeducation. The change in statistical parameters resulting from that recent admission would indicate that, in fact, possibly more than 100,000 Vietnamese people were victims of extrajudicial executions in the last ten years."

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    The real cee posting....

    Nice rebuttal to the original post....NOTHING! I expected as much....hundreds of thousands of people die and since their deaths hurt a liberal's argument, they are simply ignored!

    What a great world-view.

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Can someone please help me? Being over the hill and a certified quack/egoist, I took too much Cialis last night, and it seems my self-serving, masturbatory signature keeps growing uncontrollably. What to do? Thanks.

    cee
    "George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst president ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.

    The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled -- nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success -- flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher."

    "Indeed, there exist documents published in the Vietnamese legal code that supply ample justification for a large program of postliberation executions. The regulation on the punishment of counterrevolutionary crimes was promulgated initially by Ho Chi Minh in 1967 and was later reissued in 1976. It includes a list of about fifteen counterrevolutionary crimes and provides for a dual level of punishment: severe punishment, i.e., execution or long ­term imprisonment, for "all counterrevolutionary masterminds, leaders, diehards and principal culprits;" and relative leniency, i.e., three to fifteen years in jail, for "those who have been coerced and inveigled to go astray and those who have truly repented." Prior to reunification in 1976, the Provisional Revolutionary Government reissued this document concerning anti ­revolutionary crimes. The 1976 decree continues to list the death penalty for treason, spying, and sabotaging national unification. In both the 1967 and 1976 versions, the counter revolutionary crime is defined in an all inclusive fashion, which supplies justification for capital punishment for all those who resist the revolution in any form.

    "In addition, and particularly important, in an aide ­memoire to Amnesty International in 1981, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam specifically rejected the principle of non ­retroactivity by claiming that the laws of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam had been applicable to all citizens of South Vietnam from 1945 onward. In this perspective, it is quite obvious that high ­ranking members of the Army and civil administration of Vietnam could be considered to have blatantly transgressed the law of the land and therefore deserve severe punishment.

    "What are the numbers involved in extrajudicial executions? Looking only at deaths that were due to active willful acts rather than passive neglect, and using highly conservative coding and accounting procedures in the study's sample estimation, I came to an estimate of approximately 65,000 persons executed. I suspected all along that this probably was an underestimate. But I am more convinced now that it is an underestimate because the computations are based in part on the assumption that no more than one million people were processed through reeducation camps. As a matter of fact, we know now from a 1985 statement by Nguyen Co Tach that two and a half million, rather than one million, people went through reeducation. The change in statistical parameters resulting from that recent admission would indicate that, in fact, possibly more than 100,000 Vietnamese people were victims of extrajudicial executions in the last ten years."

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    Although my wise posts make me seem older than my young 37 years....thank you for the compliment anyway.

    Yes, the truth is hard to face, so continue with the adolescent phantom cee posts...they are midly amusing. Projection with regards to the self pleasuring does make me feel a bit "oogy" though.

    Trite remarks like, "imitation is the greatest form of flattery" also come to mind.

    However, I would like to point out that no one has yet refuted the facts I presented. The sound of silence is so pleasant.

    Perhaps if the radical left was more open-minded, like me, the world would be a better place!

    cee
    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    PS....WHERE IS THAT ANTI-BUSH RESOLUTION?


    Los Angeles hospital van spotted dumping paraplegic man on street
    By Associated Press
    http://www.komotv.com/news/national/5729321.html
    LOS ANGELES (AP) - A hospital van dropped off a homeless paraplegic man on Skid Row and left him crawling in the street with nothing more than a soiled gown and a broken colostomy bag, police said.

    Witnesses who said they saw the incident Thursday wrote down a phone number on the van and took down its license-plate number, which helped detectives connect the vehicle to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

    Police said the incident was a case of "homeless dumping" and were questioning officials from the hospital.

    "I can't think of anything colder than that," said Detective Russ Long. "There was no mission around, no services. It's the worst area of Skid Row."

    Dan Springer, a spokesman for the medical center, did not confirm or deny that the van carrying the homeless man came from Hollywood Presbyterian. He said an internal investigation was under way and pledged cooperation with any outside investigation.

    "These are very serious allegations. Our goal is to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. If we determine a mistake of this magnitude was made, we will respond swiftly and appropriately," Springer said.

    The case comes three months after the city attorney's office filed its first indictment for homeless dumping against Kaiser Permanente for an incident earlier last year.

    In that case, a 63-year-old patient from the hospital's Bellflower medical center was videotaped wandering the streets of Skid Row in a hospital gown and socks.

    City officials have accused more than a dozen hospitals of dumping patients and criminals on Skid Row. Hospital officials have denied the allegations, but some said they had taken homeless patients to Skid Row service providers.

    In 2005, Hollywood Presbyterian was accused of homeless dumping. At the time, a top executive denied the charge, but said Skid Row service providers offered treatment and care for some patients who had nowhere else to go.

    Was Olbermann driving the van? what's your point exactly?

    "Was Olbermann driving the van? what's your point exactly?
    Posted by: Brandon at February 11, 2007 12:43 AM"

    Of course you don't get it? You're the a--hole who asks if Olbermann was driving the van. An idiot like you would never figure the person posting this article is trying to drive home the point that hospitals in this country founded on "Christian principals" with a "majority of it's citizen's being pro-life conservatives" have no money to care for the poor because $450 billion dollars was just dumped into the burning fiasco in Iraq.

    The Bush administration could give a flying f--- about poor people being dumped into allies like trash. What is important is record profits for billionaires who own controlling stock in Exxon-Mobile and Chevron.

    Of course you don't get it. You're a Fox News retard with zero education!