Nice job on mentioning Tammy Duckworth's run for congress and that she's a Democrat. Oh wait, he didn't! Ah, Olbyplanet.

J$- are you gonna do a little research tonight to counter Keith's segments? Or are you gonna stick to the same script of calling him a Viagra eating, fat ass?

Yes.

nice call on boortz!

There he goes again.....attacking O'Reilly. Does KO secretly want to feel O'Reilly 10 inch butter covered sausage up his fat ass?

Oy, why does he never have one of these "worst persons" on the show to defend themselves?

At the very least it would be entertaining.

And we'd get to see someone like Boortz wipe the floor up with Olbermann. Without those leftwing websites to use, KO wouldn't know what to say.

Is KO queer for O'Reilly's gear?

Let's see: Saying Murtha is out of it is unacceptable. You must not say that.

However, saying McCain is a "forgetful old man", is "delusional" and is "servicing the president" is acceptable.

Such are the standards in Olbermanworld.

This generation's Edward R. Murrow.

He's so far beyond hypocrisy that we'll have to invent a new language to describe this.

4th Place against the Malkin Factor?

Keith, dude! That's Brutal!!!!

Better hope she doesn't go and take Paula ZZZhan's spot when CNN gets a clue.

She crushed him nearly 4-1 in overall. I think that's hilarious.

""Mister" Bush is "escalating" [Ding!] troops."

Escalate- es·ca·late –verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing. 1. to increase in intensity, magnitude, etc.: to escalate a war; a time when prices escalate.

It seems to me that Olby is using this word correctly. This isn't a case of defining "what is, is".

"Expert witness: Tammy Duckworth, a partisan Democrat politico [updated: The List] and favorite of the blue blogs."

You didn't mention that she is an Iraq War Veteran that lost a limb serving our country. Since she spent time recovering at Walter Reed that would make her an expert on the subject.

Johnny Dollar reports. He decides.

Forth place behind Michelle Malkin! HA! Way to earn that new contract. I guess it is time for Olbermann to drudge up a new story about Malkin's fans sending him powdered sugar in an envelope. How does GE sign a check to Olbermann after seeing his ratings? If Jack Welsh was still in charge, Olbermann would be out on his ass. I bet MESSNBC could put Alan Combs in his time slot and get better ratings.

Keith again shows what a pompous hypocryite he really is,two weeks ago he refuses to condemn William Arkin calling our troops "mercenaries" now hes all concerned about troops that have returned wounded from Iraq like he's looking out for their best interest,Keith is so transparent he's sickening,hes gone from being mildly amusing to a complete obnoxious bore...he must get so tied of getting his fat ass kicked EVERY night by O'Reilly but that shows the state on the entire NBC machine by renewing his contract

Gee another mention of O'Reilly's name. Gee Keith if you were close in the ratings it might make sense. But that's the trouble,your not even close! Face it people Keith is going to implode in the not to distant future. It will be sooner than you think. Just sit back and watch. Where's the popcorn??

And NBC news is going to give this man more air time? What the heck are they thinking?

Keith Olbermann sounds chipper. Of course he is, he was relected. 4 more years of Keith Olbermann as president, and Slippery Schuster as vice president ! Uh oh ...

Inderik: See those little links in JD's nightly summaries? There's your proof dumn ass.

Wasn't Keith's home boy William Arkin the person who said that the troops have all these obscene amenities? Isn't Arkin the one who says they get all the great benefits? Now Keith says "Mister" Bush is not taking care of the troops. How does that square?

Considering the majority of O'Reilly's viewers have to soak their teeth at night, it's fair to say that his ratings are on borrowed time. It's plausible that by the time Olby's latest contract is over a good portion of Bill's audience will be "in a better place".

Richard Alter's comb-over was so grotesque ... I am surprised he would even think of coming on the program with it. I think this goes into the list of reasons why guys like me think that Keith Olbermnan has a lame program. How much would it cost MSNBC to pay for a decent wig? If they can not afford that --- at least lower the camera.

indierik... the majority of BOR's audience is older... but the MAJORITY...

MORE people in THE DEMO watch Bill's show, though. So even if everyone NOT in the demo "went to a better place"... Bill's show would STILL beat KO!

PS
I'm 25... just entered the Demo. And a loyal BO watcher. I rarely soak my teeth.

Brandon- in the J$ segments I highlighted there was NO links proving anything. You're a little bit dim, aren't you? In the past I thought you used to make some decent posts, but you've become a complete amateur. Maybe Red Wolf is posting under your name too?

You do realize that there is only a few years seperating the average age of a O'Reilly viewer and an Olbermann viewer, right? I wouldn't be doing jokes about the age of BOR's audience when Olbermann's is not that much younger.

Brandon... what audience?

Imnotblue: The "at home" audience.

As the Republicans continue in their pattern of denigrating active service members and veterans, by their vicious attacks upon them (Cleland, Kerry, Murtha, Duckworth) and they manner in which they tend to these brave men's and women's safety, sustenance and health (inadequate armor and supplies, outrageous veteran's hospitals, the Walter Reed disgrace, the slash in veteran's benefits, the unending rotations), I am pleased to see Mr. Olbermann go after them once again, as he did tonight. I can only hope people do not lose interest in how the cowardly Republican chicken hawks, a large flock, indeed, in this Administration, including Bush himself, have so shabbily treated America's bravest and finest and how they persist in bungling the execution of the war, Well, the British seem to be quicker studies.

Amazing...The Gitmo decision goes against Citizen Keith and we get.....S-I-L-E-N-C-E.

Will we ever hear Habeus Corpus again?

Not WHO... what audience?

I think my local McDonalds has a bigger "audience."

JD always does his research Indirek. The fact you don't LIKE it does not mean it's not there. It's there. You apparently have untreated vision (and cognitive) disorders of some kind.

"I am pleased to see Mr. Olbermann go after them once again"

You mean go after veterans like John McCain?

Rumsfeld was a veteran too. That didn't stop Olbermann from smearing him.

This is just more nonsense from the left. One standard for us; another for everyone else.

Imnotblue: I am going to have to have to correct you, on that one. Some Mac Donalds & other fast food places have televisions that are turned to news channels. So ... if you think what you have said was an insult --- you are wrong. More like a partial truth. You may want to think before you post.

Wait till Scooter gets acquitted. Olby will be in the tub again. PussyKeith is his name...left wing propaganda is his game.

And last but certainly least, Michelle Malkin. A woman, who has no regular TV hosting experience and is asked the night before to fill in for Bill O'Reilly, destroys me in the ratings. For this Michelle Malkin, you are the worst person in the wooooorld!!! Great Thanks

KK is so predictable as far as what gets mentioned and what doesn't, i.e. barkers and non-barkers.

Teheran Keith is very dissappointed about his Gitmo Comrades waging the war against Mr Bush.

I'm 34. I'm in Bill O's demo. The local PTA meeting at my kids school tonight had a bigger audience than KO. I say I hope he stays on the air. At least he is exposed as a liberal bastard. His replacement may not be so blatently stupid to show his true colors constantly. By the way it is amusing and somewhat painfull to watch Joe S. and Tucker try to bend to NBC's liberal guidelines. I bet they both would kill for FOX jobs,

You mean go after veterans like John McCain?

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Do you remember the 2000 South Carolina primary? Do you remember what Bush and the odious Rove did to McCain there? The pattern was set long ago.

Poor Keith, Poor Dan Abrams...4 more years of this slop? Can you imagine "The List" in 4 years? OMG.

Obama - What the hell kind of McDonalds have you been to where there's a news channel on. I've never even been to one with a television... let alone a news channel!

I don't know what kind of crazy McDonalds you've been going to.

Considering the majority of O'Reilly's viewers have to soak their teeth at night, it's fair to say that his ratings are on borrowed time. It's plausible that by the time Olby's latest contract is over a good portion of Bill's audience will be "in a better place".

Posted by: indierik at February 20, 2007 9:31 PM

Are you here to see what it's like to have a site that get's traffic? "Soak their teeth" and "borrowed time", progound stuff there "dick in ear"

Hey Dumbasses, what part of key demo don't you understand. Bill destroys Keith in the key demo which is not old people who don't spend money. It is 18 to 35 year olds who buy products. Young, old, rich or poor, no one watches Olbermann.

I see Olbermann's new "blog" without any entries by KO mind you, is now allowing comments. Let THEM now what you really think of his show.

http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/

Whenever Keith gets #2 in his beloved, grand high exalted mystic demographic, he's appealing to the Madison Avenue bimbo media buyers in the hopes of selling his advertising wares.

KO basically says that if your over 55 years of age, we don't want you, we dont need you.

O'Reilly's web site is one of the most popular on the net. How many old people who soak their teeth, surf the net?

"Do you remember the 2000 South Carolina primary"

Condemn Olbermann for smearing McCain.

This is Olbermannwatch.

You can try and change the topic but that doesn't elminate the fact that MSNBC "news anchor" Keith Olbermann on his "news show" is smearing McCain.

And has the gall to call out others for criticizing Murtha.

Keith Olbermann on the air for a couple more years,
This brought out the siteholder's fears.
Almost at predictability's domain,
They knew Neal Boortz was in Keith's brain.
So now it is time to close Cheers.

NBC News...Al Jazeera residing at 30 rock.
When is Al Jazeera going to put speshul comment in arabic?

It's interesting that people that KO puts on his WPITW list also beat him in ratings and book sales..O'Reilly,Malkin and Boortz whose book is 4 on Amazon and radio audience is larger than KO's viewers...karma's a bitch KO. :)

Imnotblue: No specifics, but there is a Burger King that has CNN on semi-daily. Subway fancy food joints everywhere have modern televisions. There are decked out Mac Donalds. Go to one. Trust me ... you will want to come back ...

Neal Boortz equated Al Qaida to a teacher's union?!?!? Methinks the worst person is no false eponym, for this guy ...

Keith's web site has a blog filter. I posted on his sh-t bum site but I don't know if it will show up. I am sure one of his bootlickers won't post the comment unless they are smoking pot. This is quite a possibility.

Neal Boortz equated Al Qaida to a teacher's union?!?!? Methinks the worst person is no false eponym, for this guy .
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What Boortz meant was while terrorist could inflict short term damage to us with a attack..teachers unions and goverment schools impact and damage is more long term with their effects on our children with their left-wing P.C. agenda.

Keith's web site has a blog filter
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What a surprise!!!..KO doesn't let different views on his show so why would he allow it on his web site?

"Neal Boortz equated Al Qaida to a teacher's union?!?!? "

No, what Boortz said - and I'm not defending it because it's over the top - is that he thinks that over the long haul that the type of education that we're providing our young people is so poor that it creates dependent and ignorant adults that are incapable of governing themselves.

Self-government - democracy - requires a governing of the self. A populace that is capable of providing for itself and is not willing to give up its freedoms in exchange for security ("free healthcare" for example).

Tocqueville talked about this in Democracy in America where he foresaw a "bland despotism" being created by a dependent populace.

Boortz thinks that teacher's unions are making it impossible to reform our education system so that it won't produce these sheep who turn to government to feed them and house them and clothe them.

It's easy to caricature what Boortz said; I'm not surprised a liberal like Olbermann doesn't comprehend what he meant.

Neal Boortz has been on the air for 30 years ... I guess he knows what "long term" is.

"long term damage" that is.

"long term damage" that is.
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Yes he's seen how the left has been helping destroy this country for 30yrs.

I wanted to thank Keith for defending Bill Arkin. Our troops are mercenaries and someone needed to say it. The troops get obscene amenities until Mister Bush takes them away when the get home. Keep up the good work Keith, some day you will beat Michelle Malkin when O'Reilly is on vacation.

Think this will get through the bootlickers at Keith's site?

mlong:

Just curious, what if Olbermann had made that comment about "teacher's Unions worse than Al Qeada"? Would you have offered up your spirited defense by explaining "what he meant" like you did? ... Or would you have gone after him like a rabid wolf?

Me thinks the latter!

Mlong: Neal Boortz is not constructive. He is insipitous, vile, rude, lewd, & low. He goes on tangents, hates the victims of hurricane Katrina, hates the poor,hates the FCC, and hates all who disagree with him and his ideas. So sorry that there are people listening to this guy and trying to explain him to others ---

Obama: We certainly have our differences over the war, but I give you credit; You are clearly capable of discerning biases...on BOTH sides, better than 99% of the posters on this blog, including Johnny Dollar.

Anyone who does not realize that the teachers unions have destroyed this counties education system did not spend that much time in school. The teachers union is one of the reason's why college students who go into teaching, have the worst college test scores.

But are teachers unions "worse than Al Qeada"?

"The teachers union is one of the reason's why college students who go into teaching, have the worst college test scores."

Any stats to back this up, Factor?

Mlong: Neal Boortz is not constructive. He is insipitous, vile, rude, lewd, & low. He goes on tangents, hates the victims of hurricane Katrina, hates the poor,hates the FCC, and hates all who disagree with him and his ideas. So sorry that there are people listening to this guy and trying to explain him to others --
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Yea Boortz RULES!!!!!!!!!..he's not afraid to take liberals on and call them out for what they are and unlike KO he's not afraid of debate and has opposing views on his show.

"Any stats to back this up, Factor?"

This is well-documented. Grad school students who major in education have the worst scores.

Indi,

ANTI-CHOMP! ANTI-CHOMP! Since The day of infamy(Jan. 8) I only live to see your team loose.

Ya indierik; its in Neal Boortz's book. Try reading it before you trash him.

But Mlong:

You expose yourself. You defend Boortz when HE says something over the top, but you would have jumped right down KO's throat if he had said the very same thing. You certainly would not have offered up a 'defense', the way you did for Boortz.

Boortz deserved WPITW. NOBODY is worse than AL Qeada, even if said in jest.

Your posts prove that your nothing but a right wing attack dog, just like your heros are.

Woogy: I just do not care about politics. Some people go overboard and deffend and justify all of the nonsense. I do not care about that. Neal Boortz can go ahead and be the slimy loon that I see him as. I do not want to cater t his -isms ...

Your posts prove that your nothing but a right wing attack dog, just like your heros are.
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Woof!

"NOBODY is worse than AL Qeada, even if said in jest."

Boortz didn't say the teacher's unions were worse than al-Qaeda.

He said over the long term, that the damage done to the country by our poor education system - a system that Boortz believes is controlled by the teacher's unions - will be more than the damage to the country from al-Qaeda.

I'll not defend that but let's get it right.

However, how is this much different than some - repeat _some_ - lefties saying that Bush and the Republicans are doing and have done more damage to the country than al-Qaeda?

I hear that line all the time.

I am traumatized of Neal Boortz. I have been ever since he told his listenership (where I had him on) of that full moon lit late night where he and his wife went into the tub together ---

Well then Boortz also debunked a common right wing line that I hear all the time as well; That the "Islamists are threatening to destory us".

I've always believed that to be an alarmist way of thinking, and that the only way we will be destroyed, is if we do it to ourselves, from within. But thats not what the Glenn Beck style alarmists are preaching.

Isn't Boortz the one who wants to legalize drug use, and isn't he also in favor of gay marriage?

"and that the only way we will be destroyed,"

Not if future Islamists get hold of several nuclear weapons.

The damage will be unimagineable.

The entire country may not be destroyed; but the devastation would be so vast that we would be a shell of a country.

"Not if future Islamists get hold of several nuclear weapons".

Then we better get busy inspecting more incoming cargo containers and get control of our borders instead of screwing around in Iraq.

"Isn't Boortz the one who wants to legalize drug use, and isn't he also in favor of gay marriage? "

Yes, and no.

Well, on the latter, he doesn't care. He doesn't think that one has a constitutional right to marry someone of the same sex and then require the government to recognize it as being the same as opposite sex marriange.

But he doesn't care if state's recognize them as the same.

He's pro choice, et cetera. Libertarian right down the line except for foreign policy where most libertarians have a more isolationist view.

Rico, I'm surprised I haven't heard from you earlier this week since my Gators lost this past Saturday. It doesn't matter, though. They'll be cutting down the nets again this year.

IT'S GREAT...TO BE...A FLORIDA GATOR!!! CHOMP!! CHOMP!!

nameless 11:12 PM --- "The only way we can be destroyed is from the inside". Is a cliche`. The outside as well as the inside is possible in terms of demise. I ignore cliche`s much of the time.

"Then we better get busy inspecting more incoming cargo containers and get control of our borders "

Right, we're going to inspect every container on every ship that lands in America.

Do you know how many containers that is? Do you know how many ships come in and out of our harbors every day?

Impossible, logistically impossible to do.

Anyway, the ship doesn't have to land on shore where it will be searched. They can detonate it in our harbors before being searched.

"The entire country may not be destroyed; but the devastation would be so vast that we would be a shell of a country."

I'm being completely serious- I'm in shock of how cowardly so many of the wingnuts are. I was much more concerned during the 80's when it was confirmed the Soviets HAD/HAS nukes aimed at each and every one of us.

I live fairly well, but I'm willing to give up my current career to start a bomb shelter construction business. J$- how much would it cost to advertise on this site?

Why did Keith Olbermann describe Brittney Spears' hair shaving as though it was a disease --- Shouldn't he stick up for her and her freedom of expression ?!?!?

Woozy, alarming someone, like Al Gore has been trying to do and stating facts, like Glenn Beck does are two completely different things. Al Gore relies on junk science, Beck uses facts and has people on his show to back up facts, he even gives both sides of the story, imagine that? Why do the libs consider someone who simply state facts an "alarmist?"

"impossibly, logistically impossible to do"

Maybe, but we could do a lot better than we are doing if we just used some of the resources we are wasting in Iraq,.

Deterence is psychological as much as anything. If we substantially raised our inspection rate above the 5 - 10% figures that I've heard, deterence would increase exponentially.

5% - 10% is not much of a deterent!

So Indi,

If only one nuke were to be set off in the US you wouldn't mind it all that much? That's almost what it sounds like you are saying.

Jeffy: I've already been given a sampling of your definition of 'facts'. There's 'facts' and then there's YOUR 'facts'.

Big difference!

I do not think that Keith Olbermann is a "liberal-liberal". A true liberal would never think of Brittney Spears shaving her head as a type of disease formation.

"I'm being completely serious- I'm in shock of how cowardly so many of the wingnuts are. "

I'm continually in shock at how you leftwingers are so dismissive of radical Islamists and their desire to get nuclear weapons.

Nearly every expert on terrorism and national security that I've read says that there is a strong likelihood of terrorists setting off a nuclear device in our lifetimes.

Can you imagine the consequences of this?

Do you think these people are making it up?

You lefties dismiss this danger but then go apesh-t if Bush orders surveillance of al-Qaeda phone calls.

That's because you lefties have always thought that the real threat to the country comes from us "wingnuts" or "neocons". You dismissed the threat from the Soviets too.

Believe it or not, we're not the danger. Right now, it's radical Islam.

Wow. Talk about sleepwalking through history.

By the way Jeffy, don't try to get me to take up defense of Al Gore because I won't do that. You see...SURPRISE!...I'm not a classic 'liberal'.

"Believe it or not, we're not the danger. Right now, it's radical Islam".

Thats only partially true. HOW we react to radical Islam is the key. Do it wrong, and we create more danger than if we had done nothing.

So far, we've been doing it wrong!

Being concerned about radical Islamists getting nuclear weapons is "cowardly"?

Huh?

We're fighting them to prevent such an occurrence.

How is that cowardly?

It's cowardly to do nothing or to acquiesce to their demands like you leftwing moonbats and America haters want to do.

The friggin cowards are you lefties who hate this country and are always attacking it.

Look in the mirror at the real coward.

"So far, we've been doing it wrong!"

No attacks on us in 5 years?

Al-Qaeda leadership destroyed. They're reportedly trying to reassemble in Pakistan.

That's going to be tough. How do we attack Pakistan? If we do so, we run the risk of undermining Musharraf and having a Islamic takeover of his country.

And Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

Imagine a radical Islamist government with nukes?

And our lefty friend above isn't concerned. We're all cowards to be worried about Islamist radicals getting their hands on nuclear weapons.

Moonbats have brain damage. There's no other explanation.

No Rico, what I'm saying is that when a blinking cartoon character throws the city of Boston in a panic I think it should invoke us all to ask "What's become of us?" Would Al Qaeda use a nuke on our soil if they could? Yes, I absolutely believe that. I just refuse to cave into Al Qaeda's psycological warfare they've been SUCCESSFULLY administering on so many Americans. And yeah, I do believe a majority of the wingnuts are sackless sheep that I wouldn't trust to have my back in a middle school fist fight.

Gnite and GO GATORS!!!

"we're fighting them to prevent such an occurrence".

Please detail HOW what we're doing in Iraq is "preventing such an occurrence"?

"No Rico, what I'm saying is that when a blinking cartoon character throws the city of Boston in a panic I think"

Hey, the entire city government of Boston is run by liberal democrats.

Liberal mayor. Liberal city council.

It's not us evil wingnuts running the dammned place.

"And our lefty friend above isn't concerned."

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God ? I would not say that God is not concerned ... it just is not in God's great wisdom to come down and settle our problems for us right now --- please, spiky nameless --- get a grip.

Obama Watch, you continue to bewilder me. Some days I'd buy you a drink. On other days I'd pour it on your head. Maybe you're the only sane person on this site?

Gnite fo real this time.

"Please detail HOW what we're doing in Iraq is "preventing such an occurrence"?"

Well, first all we're doing more than just Iraq.

Second, al-Qaeda is in Iraq and we're destroying them. Or trying to.

Third, we're trying to prevent radical Islamists from taking that country over.

If radical Islamists take that country over - like they did in Afghanistan in the 1990s - they can use that as a base for future operations against us.

They can use the oil and other resources to arm. They can use the country as a staging and training ground.

A defeat of us in Iraq will embolden radical Islamists elsewhere.

We need to prevent the radical Islamist elements from taking over that country.

"no attacks in 5 years": The silliest argument the right ever came up with. Duh...we went 8 years without an attack before 911.

The think attacking Iraq had something to do with that? If so, WHERE is your brain?

"They're reportedly trying to reassemble in Pakistan".

Exactly! Just imagine how much better our options might have been regarding this scenario if we had not spent ourselves in Iraq and pretty much let Afghanistan go?

I think Woogy went away, as well .

Indierik thinks that the city of Boston is run by "wingnuts" who cowardly overreacted to those lights.

Hey, Boston is run by liberals. It's a liberal city in a liberal state.

Try again moonbat.

No --- Woogy stayed !

"Exactly! Just imagine how much better our options might have been regarding this scenario if we had not spent ourselves in Iraq and pretty much let Afghanistan go? "

Do you actually propose we go into Pakistan? That's where al-Qaeda ran to after we chased them out of Afghanistan.

That's where they're trying to re-assemble.

If we tried to go into Pakistan, we'd be slaughtered. It would make Iraq look like a picnic.

Impossible.

nameless: We need to go to Iran --- may I remind you ---

"second, Al-Qeada is in Iraq, and we're destroying them, or trying to"

Duh, and WHY are they there? Could it be that they came in to fight us AFTER we invaded? I suspect they are being created faster than "we're destroying them".

Too late about the 'embolden' thing. I think they're already 'emboldened'.

"nameless: We need to go to Iran --- may I remind you ---"

No, we wait that out, if possible.

That government will fall.

The only question is whether it falls before they can get that nuclear device put together.

If not, well, I hate to be the president at that time....

nameless: Ahmadenijad wants the western world to give up our nuclear weapons and energy sources. He has a big mouth, and the world would not shead a tear for this person at all. He would make the perfect prize in our trophy case.

"Duh, and WHY are they there?"

Duh, they go after us wherever we are. If we stayed outside of Iraq they'd attack us outside of Iraq.

They declared war on us.

You think if we leave Iraq that they'll leave us alone?

If we leave Iraq - as you apparently want to do - what will they think about us? They'll just go back home?

Think, man, think.

Do you actually propose we go into Pakistan"?

Go back and review what I actually did say. I believe it was something like "can you imagine how much better our options would be if we had not spent ourselves in Iraq"?

And Obama, if you want to go into Iran, whose army do you propose that we send in there?

Woozy, how come your not making posts on Olbyloons "newshole" site? I've made 2 and either one of them are up. I simply asked why no mention of the Habeas Corpus ruling today (thank God) and why no mention of Col. Allard leaving NBC because of his comments. I am shocked he didn't allow my posts. I feel like soaking in the tub all of the sudden.....

"Go back and review what I actually did say. I believe it was something like "can you imagine how much better our options would be if we had not spent ourselves in Iraq"? "

Didn't answer the question, my friend.

Even if we didn't go into Iraq, we still have the problem of al-Qaeda using the sanctuary of Pakistan to reassemble.

Let's say we had 150,000 troops freed from Iraq.

Do you propose we send them into Pakistan?

Woogy: I do not know. If we send Americans in for the ground invasion ... the anti war rats will galvanize and make a scene and distract all of the people trying to win the war with conspiracy theories and whining and senate functions and vitriol and propaganda. I do not know if we will ever really be able to win another war again. Although --- we need to try. We need to grow so immune to the wascally, wascally leftist that when we go into other nations for just and controversial-but-just reasons that we can she doff the exccess pounds of peacelard that will accumulate like no person's business when we show the world who's boss.

Woozy, we don't need an "army" for Iran, 2 or 3 MOABs will do the trick. Next?

"if we stayed outside of Iraq they'd attack us outside of Iraq"

Whats your point here? Your opinion is that taking on the difficulty of fighting a population of an entire country that hates us, as well as each other, IN ADDITION to the incoming Al Qeada fighters was a particularly efficient way to fight them? I beg to differ!

I think making our stand in Afghanistan in addition to putting more pressure on Western Pakistan would have been a brilliant way to confront them "over there". We started this thing out 100% right, and then we took this wierd right turn into Iraq, and I'll never understand that!

Jeff: Not me. The only time that I will be going to the newshole (such a perfect name for Keith Olbermann's blog) is when Johnny Dollar and Rcox shut off the site on March 1st 2007. I do not know how I am going to represent my self in a manner in which they will not block me from entering thoughts. I guess I will have to be on my very best behavior. I wonder if I will be able to post things that are not entirely related to the topic at hand. Like limericking and my pro-Barrack Obama sentiments --- I will have to do some serious thinking for this one. Hmmmmmmmm -----

I am watching Olbyperv right now and he looks like he has his dick in his hand under the desk while he is spinning the story about Brits deploying in a yr from S. Iraq. Comical!

Jeffy: Define 'MOABs'

Woozy, I'm not surprised you don't no what a moab is, but, I won't rub it in, like you would. It is a bomb, Mother Of All Bombs, made in Moab, Utah. Remember, after 911 when they showed the test on TV? Too bad we never bothered to use one or two in Iraq.

Obama:

Come on man, WHAT army do we have left to send into Iraq? We don't have the manpower, or the equipment. It's THAT simple.

Your fixation with the anti - war crowd is a little wierd, to say the least.

By the way, are they really planning to shut down this site?

Olbyperv is already making excuses in case there is a not guily in the witch hunt, I mean, the Libby trial.

Jeffy: I think your 'MOAB' solution is a little simplistic, and it wouldn't begin to work, but it pretty much fits with the rest of your worldview.

It would be a lot like sticking a pin in a bulls ass...you wouldn't like the reaction.

Just looked again, my posts aren't up. I asked 2 simple, justifiable, questions and they won't post them. Truly a coward.

Woozy, you haven't seen what the moab can do! It's like a small nuke, it kicks ass....

Woogy: Do you want to know what is a "little weird"??? There is a madman who dominated Iraq and we bring him down --- and there are people on the side of the aggresors (quite frankly) that will not let the UNited States of America use controversial, infringing, and drastic abilities to save the day during the after math and guard this nation. As the president looses allies, makes mistakes, and tries to pull things together, the anti war left agendists see this as nothing more than their success and that they need to up the ante on the American people. Well I for one have had enough. It is too sad to see the miserable amoung us throw monkey wrenches into the war thrusters. If there was no movement against winning the war in Iraq, there would be no distraction and we would definately see a great improvement in our abilities to fight and win and defeat terror and be out of Iraq in a proficiant manner. None of the successes that are being underreported are of any thanks to the anti war left who are consumed with shrieking, mudraking, and galvanizing Americans against the war. Thanks for nothing. That one is truly what I mean. Thanks for losing the war, traitors.

Obama, you must be refering to Ted "osama who?" Kennedy, Turbin Durbin, Dirty Harry Reid, Palooza Pelosi, Upchuck Schumer, just to name a few of the traitors.

Jeffy: A "small nuke" wouldn't work either. It's already been discussed and examined in detail.

They don't even think they could shut down their nuclear program with bombs alone. You have way too much faith in a few bombs. A typical trait of the "kick their ass" or "bomb em to the stone age" crowd!

By the way, I did a little research on this MOAB between posts, and again, you are wrong. We would need an army we don't have.

Yes and no. They indeed drive their constituancy for votes ... but they would be the upper most side of the problem. It is the inner core: The far lefters that do not understand our efforts and who automatically cause nothing but howls that keep the highest losers active for their votes. So rather than make it in Iraq, they have fraudulant votes that are nothing but smokescreens and symbolics. Yet they are content with their abilities to make the war fail. They are the ball and chain's momentum. The forementioned are the stabalizers that bring the wrecking ball into the building.

Obama:

Oh boy, here we go again! We can sit here and call each other 'traitors', but I have a little more class than that. However, since you opened uop that can of worms, I truly believe everyone who pushed for and made this Iraq war a reality really is a traitor.

Your continuing to blame the failure in Iraq on the left, who only just now gained limited power is really dellusional. The right ran EVERYTHING up until now, and they still have the keys to the ship.

The classic definition of stupidity is to keep right on doing what you've been doing but expecting different results.

By the way, anyone who calls ME a traitor had damned well at least served my country in the military during a time of war...as I did!

Woozy, would you freakin argue and say I was wrong if I said it was dark outside? You are unbelievable. What was I wrong about? HUH?

Woogy: A traitor, generally is thought of, as in the war and becomes a traitor of the highest commander. So, you are ironically lacking the time of day.

As well as your game of blame the right for their faults in the war --- you are speaking to the correct person. I am nothing more than a compass of their fault. My goodness, however ... I am not rubbing it into the faces of the American people, the world, the troops ... that is where we differ. Keep on helping out the war effort, Woogy.

Jeff:

I said a few bombs wouldn't do it, and I mean't it. THATS what you are wrong about. You debate like a simpleton.

You think we're in a war NOW? just try throwing a few bombs into Iran adn then we'll probably find out what war really is.

Sorry Obama, but I doubt if even 10% of the American population is as radical as you are regarding this war. The barn door is open and the cows are out in the fields. It's just a little late to close those doors now.

Woozy, we are at war,but, we are not fighting like we are at war, half the country is in denial, that same half thinks the islamic radicals are not a threat, we should just come home and everything will be peachy. I can name a bunch of politicians that fit snuggly in that category, hence, the main problem!

so this is it. the mindset of the right wing. yikes.
far lefters what is that? oh i know that must be someone is outraged by 47 million without healthcare or someone who wonders why we did bring our forces down on bin laden rather than iraq. does anyone care about issues or just is it about defending the likes or o'reilly.

I am watching Olbyperv right now and he looks like he has his dick in his hand under the desk while he is spinning the story about Brits deploying in a yr from S. Iraq. Comical!

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 12:06 AM

Here we find the classic uneducated a--hole who thinks on one track - dicks, and bombs.

If it's smarter than him he goes limp both mentally and physically. If it scares him he wants to blow it up.

The real problem with a--holes like this is when they (redwolf/Jeff) get a cross connection in their 2 nerve ending pea brain and end feeling like they want to blow the guys that scare him.

That dirty feeling sets in and no amount of Walmart deodorant will wash that smell away.

Jeff is this sights number one loser and will use the same Limbaugh Hannity cliche's day in and day out. Doesn't matter how many times he slammed as total dumb ass for bringing up lame ass ignorant solutions for complex problems - he just keeps on bringing up they same stupid sh-t.

Woogy, you gotta stop meeting this a--hole halfway. Low life scum of the earth like this do not qualify for human status.

Jeff is Redwolf, his style is inescapable. Here is a post of his signed and dated from this page.

Redwolf wrote:(Q): A deadly snake and a Muslim are both approaching you rapidly, you are a dead shot, you have a gun, but only one bullet, which one do you shoot ?
(A): The MUSLIM of course !! The snake only bites when provoke. We know the Muslim’s intention.

I don’t personally have anything against Muslims.
In fact, I think everyone should own one or two !!

Q: What do female Muslims use for birth control?
A: Their faces.

Q: What’s the difference between a Muslim and a dead horse?
A. It’s no fun beating a dead horse.

Q. What’s the difference between an American BBQ and an Islamic BBQ?
A. In America, Humans roast animals over a fire. In Islam, it’s the other way around.

Q. What do you say to a Muslim with his arm all the way up a camel’s rump?
A. “Having car trouble?”

Q. What’s the difference between Cindy Sheehan and a terrorist enemy?
A. I don’t know either.

Q. What’s the difference between Michael Moore and a one ton CARE package?
A. Michael Moore, if sliced real thin, can feed a larger Afghan village.

Q: What’s the definition of a virgin in the Middle East?
A: Any camel that can run faster than an Muslim.

"Posted by: Red Wolf at January 6, 2007 02:48 AM"

coward watch, you are sadly mistaken, the ones that steal names and do the cut and paste thing are the olbyloons, like you.

It is a shame that the Vietnamese made John McCain that f---ing nuts.. He would have been better off being put into a home. The Nam destroyed McCain

Sorry Obama, but I doubt if even 10% of the American population is as radical as you are regarding this war. The barn door is open and the cows are out in the fields. It's just a little late to close those doors now.

This is the comment of a "defeatist", classic.

coward watch, you are sadly mistaken, the ones that steal names and do the cut and paste thing are the olbyloons, like you.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 12:55 AM

Keep it up Redwolf you become a bigger coward with each denial. You are a psychotic low scum of the earth who lives inside a pathetic wasted body dwindling away with each breath you take.

Your style is all over today's posts let alone yesterday's. Here is a sample:

"...I am watching Olbyperv right now and he looks like he has his dick in his hand under the desk while he is spinning the story about Brits deploying in a yr from S. Iraq. Comical!"
--Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 12:06 AM---

"Dick in his hand under his desk" This is your signature style. Always injecting a "dick" of some man into the conversation.

Typical deviant from an abusive background. Paranoid about dark people out to kill you simply because you have been a racist all your life - you know you deserve to have dark people come after you.

You are only known to me as text on this page and I can tell you in all 50 years of my life I have never communicated with a more pathetic ignorant coward than you.

Pathetic because you work so hard here to have your views validated and yet after getting to know you the most extreme of ignorant rightwingers frequenting this page in the past quickly avoid you here.

Your practice of never acknowledging you are even might be wrong about your attitude is the reason why you are such a pathetic loser.

I guess it is just too painful for you to look in the mirror and touch the tip of the ice berg of your foul,vile, ignorant person.

I need not bid you more pain, you are your own worst enemy.

I'm of the opinion of pulling the troops out now.
The reason being is that we save American lives and then the Shia-Sunni war begins. They will destroy each other. Thus preventing them from uniting!

coward watch, I am guessing you are from the middle east, judging how you called me a racist, when I have not once brought up race. Who's the racist? Oh, I know, the moab post made you mad, didn't it? Are you going to go steal a cab and run somebody over with it?

Jeffy:

Keep throwing out your favorite Hannity and Savage` inspired labels.

The post above was right about two things: "you believe in ignorant solutions for complex problems", & "if it scares you, you want to blow it up"

How old are you Jeffy? I think I already asked you this, but Have YOU enlisted and volunteered for Iraq? NO, well why not damnit! Oh yea, I get it - YOU want OTHER Americans to keep putting their lives on the line for your sorry ass!

YOU go and enlist...then you contact me and THEN call me a 'defeatist', and I'll even agree with you. Until then, your nothing but another armchair coward.

If wanting to save American lives makes me a 'defeatist', then I'll accept being a 'defeatist' all day long, you fraud!

Woozy, anyone that says we "can't" or "won't" win the war is a defeatist, plain and simple. I want to win, so that makes me a fraud? You need a dictionary.

Jeff, then go enlist and HELP win the war, you coward! If you "want to win", then you should be willing to put your OWN ass on the line. Otherwise, all the noise coming out of your mouth is just hollow rhetoric.

It's damned cowardly and immoral of you to keep running your mouth calling OTHERS 'defeatists' and similar derogatory crap designed to try to shame them into accepting your twisted and cowardly ideas.

And yes 'Jeff' that does make you a fraud!

coward watch, I am guessing you are from the middle east, judging how you called me a racist, when I have not once brought up race. Who's the racist? Oh, I know, the moab post made you mad, didn't it? Are you going to go steal a cab and run somebody over with it?
Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 1:14 AM

Note the level of stupidity we are dealing with here. Redwolf asks (using the name Jeff) "Who's the racist? ... And then ends with a racist crack about me being of middle eastern decent and being a cab driver.

Now Redwolf will want to reply to this by saying I was being racist first. A fabrication of his now taken as fact. Then he will think he is off the hook because he never actually called me a cab driver.

This is how the mind of self deluding people work. A life of denial is a long cultural practice of white southern protestants. They traded slaves for hundreds of years and then enforced segregation for another 100 years.

All this while they go to church and talk about Jesus and going to heaven.

Denial and deception is culturally fine tuned into a people with guilty consciences from hundreds of years of treating their fellow man as cattle merely for the color of their skin.

This is where the cowardice comes in. They live in fear of revenge for what they and their fore fathers have down. They can do the crime but they can't do the time.

Pussy cowards! KKK coward! that is what you are Redwolf!

Careful now Redwolf, think about how many times you were told this and your replied by claiming you were a veteran.

Mike blew that lie out of the water every f---ing time you made.

I know you can't help yourself, after all this you finally decide to tell us you are a vet? Right?

Go for it you pathetic vermin coward!

Redwolf will out of the blue now say, "oh yea I forgot to tell you I am a vet"

Woogy, Redwolf has lied about being a vet eachtime he thought was in a discussion with new people like you.

A regular here a while back was a vet and out right slammed that lie by checking Redwolf's claims, even when he changed names.

He is playing you merely because you are relatively new here.

The guy can't help himself. You ask him why he is a chicken hawk. How do you think this coward will answer?

Woozy, you agreed you were a defeatist, now you are condemning me for calling you one? Time for your prozac? Coward watch gets none of my time, I must have been right about his nationality, now he's mad. It wasn't too hard to figure out, since he brought up race first, then had the nerve to call me a racist. That is a true racist.

Jeff:

Come on you coward. Lets talk about YOU! YOU are a 'defeatist' if you don't get your OWN lame ass down to the recruiting station and quit asking OTHERS to fight and die for your cowardly ass!

YOU are one sorry excuse for a human being because you want OTHER Americans to keep dying because YOU want to win, even though you don't even know what 'win' means. You are not willing to do anything to help the war effort out yourself. You just want to keep running your mouth and call OTHER people who HAVE actually served their country stupid names.

You are a disgrace to your country!

Woozy, anyone that says we "can't" or "won't" win the war is a defeatist, plain and simple. I want to win, so that makes me a fraud? You need a dictionary.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 1:20 AM

The war was lost the day Rumsfeld let soldier run wild in Saddams torture prison Abu Ghraib prison.

Video and snap shots of naked Muslim men being humiliated by GI's - female GI's making even worse culturally.

The arrogance and ignorance of Cheney Bush and Rumsfeld lost this war long ago.

Coward f---s like you talk about Islamists wanting to kill Americans and you are more than happy to have more of our GI's die their so you can sleep better at night in your trailer.

You and your racist ignorance are all that haunts you. Your fear is a product of your ignorance.

You are a dumb f---er that thrives on fear and hate. This is the spawn of the Klan. Dumb f---ing ignorant a--holes living in fear of their own creations.

Imagine if we had a real Christian president and he took the same half a trillion dollars Bush blew on Iraq getting 3300 of our GI's killed and instead spent that money rebuilding the Palestinian territories. Bin Laden would have lost his entire following over night. The US would loved by the Muslim world.

Israel would have benefited greatly from having such neighbors and our ally Israel would need less money from us to defend them as the do our dirty work for us. Like when they blew up Saddam first try at a nuke program.

Instead we have more than a hundred thousand dead Iraq's and the entire world thinking this nation is ran by a bunch of a--holes voted into office by the hillbilly KKKhristian evangelicals.

ENOUGH! Death to the Klu Klux Klan Kulture. Get over your hate and your fear. You suck Redwolf you and your whore mother and the truck driver that left the day she "kept her baby".

You will burn in the hell of your own making!

Woozy, it must be past your bedtime and the truth is sinkin' in, about being a defeatist. If we pulled out tomorrow, I wouldn't care or be surprised,seeing as the dems have horribly undermined Bush's effort to protect US! I have a gun in every corner of my house, I can protect myself, thank you.

"...I must have been right about his nationality,..."

Always assuming race is an excepted subject of significance. Who but a racist would keep attempting to discover what my race is?

Who but a racist would be so stupid to think others would not recognise this glaring fact?

f--- are you one dumb a--hole Redwolf/Rico/Factor/(and a whole list of other names you have stole and made up).

Pathetic!!!

Jeff: You are nothing but a damned coward and a disgrace to the country you pretend to love. As for patriotism, your not worthy of even standing in my shadow.

Your ignorance knows no bounds, just like your clueless and pathetic big mouthed hero, Michael Savage.

The war was lost the day Rumsfeld let soldier run wild in Saddams torture prison Abu Ghraib prison.

Video and snap shots of naked Muslim men being humiliated by GI's - female GI's making even worse culturally.

The arrogance and ignorance of Cheney Bush and Rumsfeld lost this war long ago.

Coward f---s like you talk about Islamists wanting to kill Americans and you are more than happy to have more of our GI's die their so you can sleep better at night in your trailer.

You and your racist ignorance are all that haunts you. Your fear is a product of your ignorance.

You are a dumb f---er that thrives on fear and hate. This is the spawn of the Klan. Dumb f---ing ignorant a--holes living in fear of their own creations.

Imagine if we had a real Christian president and he took the same half a trillion dollars Bush blew on Iraq getting 3300 of our GI's killed and instead spent that money rebuilding the Palestinian territories. Bin Laden would have lost his entire following over night. The US would loved by the Muslim world.

Israel would have benefited greatly from having such neighbors and our ally Israel would need less money from us to defend them as the do our dirty work for us. Like when they blew up Saddam first try at a nuke program.

Instead we have more than a hundred thousand dead Iraq's and the entire world thinking this nation is ran by a bunch of a--holes voted into office by the hillbilly KKKhristian evangelicals.

ENOUGH! Death to the Klu Klux Klan Kulture. Get over your hate and your fear. You suck Redwolf you and your whore mother and the truck driver that left the day she "kept her baby".

You will burn in the hell of your own making!

This is another classic response from a defeatist/leftist. I rest my case, for today.

I have a gun in every corner of my house, I can protect myself, thank you.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 1:53 AM

I love hearing sh-t like this! I am chuckle with great satisfaction that scum like you live in fear. Cowardly f---ing fear.

Hold those guns tight you pussy the brown man is coming to get you. Get you when you sleep, get you when you die and you meet your maker you low life racist scum!

BOO!

CW: This pathetic self deluding fool thinks he has hit a nerve with the word 'defeatist', and that's why he keeps repeating it. By the way, I really don't think he is Red Wolf. Even Red Wolf wasn't this dellusional about Bush and his damned war.

can someone please tell the left we have over 1,427,000 troops in active duty in the armed forces and over 2,400,000 total. if need be, we can raise un army of 450,000-500,000, much like the first gulf war. we have more then enough military strength to do whatever we need to do, despite the propaganda of the left.

MD, have fun w/the last two clowns here, they are severely brainwashed, well, one of them is, the other has has a striking resemblence of our enemy. Go figure, they like olby.

Well then MD, Puleese enlighten us as to why so many of them are on their third tours, and so many others have had to be extended, just to create this small 20,000 man 'surge'. This doesn't even consider the massive number or reservists that have had to serve over there, creating a tremendous hardship for them and their families. I don't think any of that is a result of "propaganda from the left"

So please enlighten us as to why the same soldiers and reservists are getting picked on over and over again, if we have so many more available at our beak and call?

A classic definition of 'brainwashing' would be actually admitting that Michael Savage is one of your heroes, and teachers!

we have more then enough military strength to do whatever we need to do, despite the propaganda of the left.

Posted by: MD at February 21, 2007 2:22 AM

We have enough military strength no matter what the generals tell us, right ?

We are razor thin, thanks to Chimpy's wild dreams of conquering Iraq.

"... we have more then enough military strength to do whatever we need to do, despite the propaganda of the left.

Posted by: MD at February 21, 2007 2:22 AM"

I get it, it is propaganda on the left that has kept the "decider" from deciding to win in Iraq as you imply. How f---ing stupid are you? You think Rumsfeld would have put up with all the political heat he put up with if he had the ability to put in enough "PROPERLY TRAINED AND EQUIPED" soldiers "to do what ever we want"?

I suppose you think Bush and Cheney enjoy pretending we could have won a long time ago. Like last November 7th a long time ago when the Republicans lost their majorities?

Typical uneducated faking poser pretending to understand right wing politics.

You got to do better than this Redwolf, MD as your latest new name to post under is still just as stupid as all the rest of the sh-t you post.

How the hell does a loser like you with an 8th grade education think you can get off trying to argue with people like me who actually graduated high school.

You should know better than that. A high school graduate is way out of your league!

Anyone who does not realize that the teachers unions have destroyed this counties education system did not spend that much time in school. The teachers union is one of the reason's why college students who go into teaching, have the worst college test scores.

Posted by: The Factor at February 20, 2007 10:43 PM

The Factor knows less about teachers and their unions than he does global warming.
Without the security of the unions, every teacher would be at the mercy of any crazed parent and their irrational rantings or expectations for their brat in class who causes nothing but trouble.
Teachers are the hardest working people in America and one of the lowest paid.
Not many more important professions than teaching.

The Factor should stop talking about things he knows nothing about.

The teachers union is one of the reason's why college students who go into teaching, have the worst college test scores.

Posted by: The Factor at February 20, 2007 10:43 PM

There is nothing about that comment that even makes sense.
Without teachers' unions there would be less quality teachers than there already are.

All these idiots do is pick up bits and pieces of sh-t from Rush Limbaugh and they think they are qualified social scientists.

I have a brother and sister who teach children in school. The one who teaches in the Midwest says it is only the unions who keep public school open. The cries and complaints from hickabilly fake christians bomb bard nearly every school district in this nation wanting every and any aspect of the curriculums their way. They would be sucking up school districts tax dollars with law suits and or school board meetings with trivial bullsh-t as they try to inject their backward talk radio mentality into the lives every person the district.

With out unions this nation would have gone under long ago.

These Fox Noise pin heads want lower wages for teachers while they ignore one half trillion dollars spent on a war that has lined the pockets of Cheney's billionaire boys club and left this nation bankrupt.

What have we got for our money? A billion Muslims hating us more than they ever did before. A half trillion dollars to increase hate for America.

A half trillion dollars could have bought us some great friends if we could have kept it out of military contractors pockets.

Our GI's come home with limbs blown off and Bush cuts more services to vets with each budget he purposes.

Dumb f---ing white trash a--holes with an eduction limited to an AM radio talk show host who is a paid whore of the neo-cons!

f---ing anti-democracy - Anti-American brain dead a--holes!!

CW spewed: "Dumb f---ing white trash a--holes with an eduction limited to an..."

My, my, my. And you liken yourself a liberal?

CW said, "The one who teaches in the Midwest says it is only the unions who keep public school open. The cries and complaints from hickabilly fake christians [as opposed to real christians?-P] bombard nearly every school district in this nation wanting every and any aspect of the curriculums their way [as opposed to the eugenicists who have their views enshrined by law -P]. They would be sucking up school districts tax dollars with law suits and or school board meetings with trivial bullsh-t [such as morality -P] as they try to inject their backward talk radio mentality into the lives every person the district."

I find all of the above encouraging.
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Say what's up with not enabling HTML?

"hat staffers responsible for managing outpatients at Walter Reed have had caseloads of more than 125 patients each. Recovering soldiers face bureaucratic delays, overworked case managers and appalling living conditions, including black mold, cheap mattresses and cockroaches."

This was a prominent story on the show - how our troops are treated; insuffient body armor, inadequate equipment and third world treatment when they come home wounded. And all I read here is peurile chatter about ratings.

John McCain was a prominent story - how he has flip flopped on abortion, on gay rights, on torture on support for the Iraq mess. And all I read here is hyperbolic chatter about how teachers are more dangerous than Al Qaeda.

What a joke this forum is.

I dont like to get into debates about the war or GB. I see points on both sides. Back and forth with profanity and name caliing.Plenty of hate for one another without knowing anything about the other. This board is getting depressing. I came here to dicuss the main point of this blog ,OLBYWATCH. Some think if you hate KO it's because you like GB or are for the war. I dont care for KO because he's a clown. At first I thought he was just a liberal but it's obvious he's a far left loon. Far left or right is bad news. And this guy says he's non partial .Some have said KO haters just watch FOX and Hannity . I watch all I can on all channels . I watched Hannity's America twice and found it almost as bad as KO . I say almost because at least you know he's conservative and he did debate a few guests. I cant think of any other show that never ,ever , debates the issues. And as a matter of fact, I find it more and more disgusting that KO brings on the same guests over and over again to parrot his view. As if this will make his point more credible. Once in a while maybe ,but every stinking show ?

I am also sick of his hypocritical attacks on FOX ,people on the right ,or anyone that disagrees with him. Every single show he makes Bush look bad no matter what the man did. Some of the stuff I agree with. But he never says anything good or even o.k. about the guy. I get that he hates him, just like many of his fans do, but it gets tiresome. And I honestly dont know if he hates the war . If a Democrat were president instead of Bush would he still be negative on every detail of it? Every negative thing he says about the war is another chance to attack Bush. I dont trust the guy . I think he's a liar and an egomaniac who just wants ratings . Many of his fans think he is courageous for pounding Bush and the war. They love the obvious distaste KO spews about both. Well, the approval ratings for both are very low,so I see no big gamble on his part there. And besides what KO might imply, Bush is not going to lock him up for his rants.
Some think KO has courage because he is the only one who will talk about Bush like this on his so called " news show ". Well, thats where the journalist thing comes into play. People who report the real " news " try to be impartial when reporting it. Now they may lean more stories to the left or right but they try do so with no bias to one side. If they did what KO does they would be gone from the mainstream media. And here's where I think KO is just a ratings creep. I saw him on the MSNBC cable show the MOST when he was ripping O'reilly about the Nazi mistake. He gave him the " special comment ' treatment. He had all the disgust and hatred he usually reserves for Bush in this report. I then saw him on Leno ( national t.v.) a bit later ,and he was talking about it as more of a joke and harmless rib. Now why did KO tone down his act ?Because he knows or was told that act wont cut it on a national level. If you saw him co-hosting the show on the presidents speech he was also more calm. I think he even called Bush the president a couple of times. No doubt Ko leans left but that extra bit of hate he brings to his show is more of an act to get the Bush haters and left wingers hooked.

Now I am not defending Bush . I dont critisize KO for his Bush bashing. I get my news on Bush from both sides and from less bias shows or newspapers. I am just pointing out that even if everything KO says about Bush is true I can not take him seriously because it's all one sided and an act for his fans. And that goes for all his other one sided stands. It's not what he says but how he reports it. No debates. Bush is dumb. Bush is evil. Republicans , O'reilly , and FOX news also. KO has also been caught in many lies and distortions of the truth. Bush has made a lot of mistakes but I dont hate the man . Sorry. You want to spin that to mean I love Bush or am a part of the sheep ,whatever. As for the war. We are all americans and should be united while our troops are at war. I dont have all the answers and admit many here know far more than I . I think arguing about how we got to this point is useless. What do we do now is the question . I dont know which side is right about what to do next. I do think that if the Democrats think we should leave they should quit playing politics and have a real vote to get us out. If not let the president know this surge is the last straw and they will back him . I also think we have many other problems we have to deal with. Here's a couple I noticed .

"Not if future Islamists get hold of several nuclear weapons".

" Then we better get busy inspecting more incoming cargo containers and get control of our borders instead of screwing around in Iraq. "

Posted by: Woogy at February 20, 2007 11:14 PM

" Anyway, the ship doesn't have to land on shore where it will be searched. They can detonate it in our harbors before being searched."

Posted by: at February 20, 2007 11:18 PM


These 2 are very big problems. The Dems made a good point about the harbors but also said we couldn't inspect all cargo and they can be detonated before checked. The borders are a bigger problem. Here, no party wants to do anything. We just had 2 border agents railroaded for doing their job. The jury that convicted them said they did not believe the drug smuggler, but the agents appeared to be hiding this story from their superiors. Now information has come out that this was suppressed by homeland security. There is another incident exactly like this one that has taken place. I really dont think either party will do a thing unless or until we get attacked again.

" I'm being completely serious- I'm in shock of how cowardly so many of the wingnuts are. I was much more concerned during the 80's when it was confirmed the Soviets HAD/HAS nukes aimed at each and every one of us. "

Posted by: indierik at February 20, 2007 11:21 PM

Well, I feel just the opposite here. A nuclear war with Russia would certainly be more devastating and probably destroy most or all of us ,no doubt. But at least you knew for that to happen the Soviets had to be nuts and not care if they were wiped out also. Now the terrorists on the other hand may only destroy a city, but knowing how they would love to die martyrs, I would say the first chance they get it will happen.

Who dressed douchebag last night?...Stevie Wonder?
That pinstrip suit was horrible looking.
Guess we know where that fat paycheck is going

Posted by CW:

"I have a brother and sister who teach children in school. The one who teaches in the Midwest says it is only the unions who keep public school open. The cries and complaints from hickabilly fake christians bomb bard nearly every school district in this nation wanting every and any aspect of the curriculums their way. They would be sucking up school districts tax dollars with law suits and or school board meetings with trivial bullsh-t as they try to inject their backward talk radio mentality into the lives every person the district.

With out unions this nation would have gone under long ago."

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You have now surrpassed Realist and the dumbest sonovabitch on this blog.

Yeah, we know the good unions have done for the American worker. With GM, Ford and Dodge on th brink of going out of business, we now see unions recognizing they were about to put their people out of work. They've already caused several 1000 to lose their job. They are on teh eve of costing all domestic autoworkers their jobs and their benefits/retirement.

Sorry to hear about you brother and sister. Thye are doing a rea good job. I went to an SME meeting in teh ealry 90's and they said 80% of the workforce in 2015 was already emploeyd in 1990. That meant the school system would turn out 20% of that workforce over teh next 25 years starting in 1990. I see it today. I work for the largets motor manufacturer in teh world and the averag age at our plant where we employ 500 plus people is 44. They said in the yeat 2015 the average HS grad could not read on teh 6th grade level. Liberals have destroyed the school system along with the unions. They reason teachers and unions hate "No Child Left Behind" is because it requires them to meet a set of standards. Liberals hate that. Liberals are like that TV ad with the monkeys throwing a party with a graph showing a tend line heading up. A guy walks in and flips the chart because it was upside down and the trend line was down. The chimps stop partying. When he leaves, a chimp flips the chart and they start partying again.

Now we know teachers are allowing cheating on SAT's and other measures so they can meet those standards. I'm an engineer and each year after my performance review I am giving a list of projects with standards such as cutting cost, quality all rated on cost and time. The way I perform on these projects determines my standing in the company and a raise. But, no, we shouldn't hold a teacher to a standard.

Um, the last time I looked very few parents are suing schools other than some atheist such as yourself or some anit-American such as yourself.

Tellya what pussy, if it bothers you so bad living in the most free, most democratic, most open and fairest country in the world, get the f--- out.

You are a friggin loser and it gives me great satisfaction people like you, Realist, Marie, codas, mikey, sir loin, o'lielly et all feel the way you do. You are some misearble SOB's. Here, read this and say it every morning you get up:

Oh Lord, too often I bitch, whine, piss and moan, cry, bloat, complian, finger point, for things to change because they don't suit my pussy self, when the changes should be made within me.

Mr. Neanderthal.

Wow, I love this site! I've been trying to figure out where the 29% of people that still support Liar McFlightsuit hang out. And now I've found it!

Olbermann's nonexistent reaction to the court ruling regarding habeus corpus rights of foreign detainees once again speaks volumes of his lack of journalistic honesty. The follow-up from the emotional charges he threw at the administration previously was very newsworthy....but since the decision was in opposition to the radical left's POV and Olbermann's....no mention was made.

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Now we know teachers are allowing cheating on SAT's and other measures so they can meet those standards.
Posted by: Brick at February 21, 2007 8:05 AM

Half a Brick keeps telling people how dumb they are but then makes a whopper like this which shows he has no idea what he is talking about.

The teachers don't monitor the SAT's.
There is a state agency that gives and monitors the SAT's and it's impossible to cheat on them.

I'm not sure if you even know what the SAt's are with a statement like that.

Teacher's teach to the standarized test after Bush's underfunded failed No Child Left Behind.
His poor NCLB has made teacher's forgo what they should be teaching and teach more to an individual test.

I'm a teacher and Brick, as usual, just reveals how he never has any idea of what he is talking about.

Notice Cee makes no comment on how Bush has ignored our wounded troops coming home from Iraq.
He just likes to say what a great president he is, but when the wealth of information comes out proving otherwise, he just ignores it.

It's just mind boggling that Bush admitted finding out about the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed Hospital from the "liberal" newspaper the Wapo.

How could a commander in chief be that out of touch !
But I shouldn't be surprised b/c I've been saying the same thing since 2001.

If he would go visit the maimed troops that have come back from his dirty little war, he'd be a little more informed.

Just like he won't permit coffins coming home from Iraq to be shown on TV, he doesn't like to see the result of his ill-begotten war when they come back to the US with mental disorders and lackings limbs.

A pathetic president who is clueless, out of touch and one of the dumbest sob's ever placed on this planet.

Not to mention how our Coalition of the Willing has now become the Coalition of the Leaving.
Spain, Italy, Eastern European countries have all fled Bush's failed little war.Now our last remaining major ally is getting the hell out of Iraq.
Bush again can't figure it all out.
He has defied the Iraq Study Group, the American people and most of the world, but he knows best.
The same man who has been wrong with every single decision he has made in Iraq, thinks he still knows best.

The arrogance and stupidity are off the charts !

The American people say they can't wait until his presidency is finished and our long national nightmare will be over.

I've always preferred Chimpy McFlightsuit...and the suspicious fake bulge they put in his pants on that day parallels this man's lack of authenticty.

BRITAIN ANNOUNCES IRAQ WITHDRAWAL PLAN
(only the USA will remain. The rest of the world knows better)

LONDON - Britain will withdraw around 1,600 troops from
Iraq in the "coming months," aiming to cut its force to below 5,000 by late summer if Iraqi forces can secure the southern part of the country, Prime Minister
Tony Blair said Wednesday.

British troops will stay in Iraq until at least 2008 and work to secure the
Iran-Iraq border and maintain supply routes to U.S. and coalition troops in central Iraq, Blair told the House of Commons.

Prosecutor Fitzgerald: Leak Of Plame's Name Has Cast A Cloud Over White House.

In his closing argument, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the chief prosecutor, said that disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s identity was used by the White House to discredit her husband’s assertions that the Bush administration had distorted intelligence to justify invading Iraq. He said the disclosure of her name cast a cloud over the Bush White House in general and over Mr. Cheney in particular.

Everywhere you turn the truth is coming out about this woeful and criminal administration.
The rats are abandoning ship as quickly as you can say:"Mission Accomplished" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm being completely serious- I'm in shock of how cowardly so many of the wingnuts are. I was much more concerned during the 80's when it was confirmed the Soviets HAD/HAS nukes aimed at each and every one of us.

I live fairly well, but I'm willing to give up my current career to start a bomb shelter construction business. J$- how much would it cost to advertise on this site?

Posted by: indierik at February 20, 2007 11:21 PM

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Quote from the movie "The Sum of All Fears":

President Fowler: Really? Let's see. Who else has 27,000 nukes for us to worry about?
Bill Cabot: It's the guy with one I'm worried about.

I grew up in the 80's and with Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD), I felt pretty sure that we were relatively safe. Each side had the ability to wipe life from the planet many times over, but knew if they launched, the other side would too and the end of all things was a certainty. However, a smaller, radical group with one or a few nukes, who wouldn't mind if it was strapped to their own backs???? Those are the people who scare me! They are more likely to go through with their plan than the old USSR

It's like a breath of fresh air to not see the drivel by the cartoon characters.

Notice when they can't steal names any longer, they have absolutely nothing to say for themselves.

This Libby case exposes the White House as one of two things.

One) This is the most incompetent group of fools to have ever resided in the White House. After all how can they treat classified information so casually as to make sure as to whom they were talking about and make sure they knew Valarie Plame was or was not covert? From what I understand, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

Two) They are lying, devious, vindictive, petty, treasonist, war criminals of the highest order.

Take your pick.

This administration is dirtier than the Nixon one, and that's saying something.

Fitzgerald said at least 3 times yesterday that there is a "cloud over Cheney".

Yes there is and unfortunately we've all been getting rained ( pissed) on for 6 years.

The more the truth comes out, the more this administration is exposed and indefensible.
Sorry, sad time for America!

Of all the conversations that Libby had with people, Libby is the ONLY one that didn't remember any of them.
He was covering for Cheney. That is obvious.

If Libby isn't convicted in this case, I will feel the same way as after the OJ verdict.

But I can't see that happening. The defense has been a mess in this case.

Citizen Keith REALLY got CRUSHED in the "Grand High Exalted Mystic Demographic"

AN interesting tidbit:

A new Gallup survey confirms that Americans claim they will be willing to vote for a woman (read: Hillary Clinton) or a black (read: Barack Obama) for president next year. But they still raise questions about voting for a well-qualified Mormon (Mitt Romney) or 72-year-old (John McCain) or someone who has been divorced twice (Rudy Giuliani).

Surprisingly, nearly as many say they would vote for a homosexual (55%) as say they would vote for a 72-year-old (57%).

Most censored: atheists.

Asked if they'd be willing to vote for a "generally well-qualified" candidate with the followign characterisitics, here's how the tally went in the Feb. 9- 11 poll.

Black 94%
Jewish 92%
A woman 88%
Hispanic 87%
Mormon 72%
Married for third time 67%
72 years of age 57%
A homosexual 55%
An atheist 45%

Conservatives express more misgivings about candidates from all of the above categories — except the age question, where they are more disapproving of voting for someone 72 or over.

It's funny how obsessed Bill OReilly is with NBC and Keith.

OReilly has mentioned NBC twice as much as he has mentioned the Iraq war during the last few weeks.

TWICE as much.

No spin on OLiellly's show.

yeah right !

Great shows recently, KO.
Keep having on vets like Soltz and Duckworth to prove how Bush and the republicans do not support the troops.

Funy how J$ still tries to put these brave men and women down with his negative comments.

Tony Snow admitted that they knew about the conditions at Walter Reed before the article hit the stands, but he hedged his bets as he went on.

Q Do you think the President is going to say something about this later?

MR. SNOW: No.

Q You responded to me a moment ago that the administration was aware of this before the articles appeared in the paper.

MR. SNOW: That is my understanding. But, again, this is something that's an action item over at the Department of Defense and, in particular, the Department of the Army. I am not fully briefed on the activities or who knew what, when. And I suggest –

Q Was the President aware of it? Was the White House aware of it?

MR. SNOW: I am not certain –

"OReilly has mentioned NBC twice as much as he has mentioned the Iraq war during the last few weeks. no spin on OLielly's show"

The frequency with which BO mentions NBC certainly does not indicate spin. Spin, in case you don't know, means to twist the truth to fit your agenda. Even if BO does an entire show on the NBC bias, this would certainly not indicate any spin. It might indicate an agenda, which is fine. Bill is supposed to have an agenda. He is a news analyst and he can choose whatever topics he wants. Just like Olby is obsessed with the Great Leak Case, or with personal attacks on BO. One big exception, Olby definitely spins ( lies ) about these two subjects.

Our good friend Brian at TVN has the latest numbers on the nightly news wars. "NBC is back in first place" he touts. For some unknown reason, he is using total viewer numbers to make his case, and not the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo" Now that is a good example of spin.

Come on , right wingers.
Come on here and defend your president.

Show us how it's OK that Bush found out about the conditions at Walter Reed Hospital from a LIBERAL newspaper.
Show us how it's fine that we will be going it alone in iraq soon with no help from any other country.

Cmon on here and explain how Cheney had nothing to do with The Plame outing.
Explain to us how this motley crew of officals haven't been lying thru their teeth.

Soooooooo much easier attacking people who REPORT this information like KO, isn't it.

Cowards !

Incorrect Jimbo.

OReilly cherry picks comments from NBC news shows to "prove " the bias he is trying to make.
Most of these cherry picked comments are extremely weak in their own right.

On Scarborough last night , they went over a number of these so called biased comments and the conservative and his guests laughed them ( and OReilly's defender) right out of the studio.

Oh yes, OReilly does more spinning than a spinning top on his show.

Come on , left wingers.
Come on here and defend your hero!!

Why has Olby NEVER had an opposing viewpoint in all his years on the air? Anybody, anybody?? Name ONE other person in the history of television news that has done that.

Since it seems like this will be the way the children want to play today......

My next choice of irrelevant subject matter will be....

Hillary!

"Maureen Dowd's column in The New York Times today, in which she quoted former Bill Clinton supporter David Geffen offering a few caustic comments, has incited a strong Hillary Clinton campaign attack on Geffen -- and the candidate he now favors, Sen. Barack Obama.

"'Everybody in politics lies, but they [the Clintons] do it with such ease, it’s troubling,' Geffen said."

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Yeah....great stuff about the top lefty candidate from a former ally....And why is Mr. Geffen not a Hillary fan anymore?

"They fell out in 2000, when Mr. Clinton gave a pardon to Marc Rich after rebuffing Mr. Geffen’s request for one for Leonard Peltier. 'Marc Rich getting pardoned? An oil-profiteer expatriate who left the country rather than pay taxes or face justice?' Mr. Geffen says. 'Yet another time when the Clintons were unwilling to stand for the things that they genuinely believe in."

Nice politics....especially while our troops are fighting for freedom in war!

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

A classic definition of 'brainwashing' would be actually admitting that Michael Savage is one of your heroes, and teacher Woozy, there you go again, flat out lying. I never claimed Savage was my hero or teacher. You have been watching way too much Overbite. What do you do, tivo it and watch him over and over?

When the conservatives lose the conservative ex- COngressman, Joe Scarborough, you know times are bleak for the GOP.
Scarborough spent a whole week on his show with the topic, Is Bush an idiot ?

The science is definitely in on that question.

The backlash over the incompetence, failures, lies and distortions of this administrtion is going to last a long , long time.

The idiot Cee keeps ignoring all the relevant news stories happening and being brought up at this site.
Why? It makes him look like a fool !

Why has Olby NEVER had an opposing viewpoint in all his years on the air? Anybody, anybody?? Name ONE other person in the history of television news that has done that.

Posted by: at February 21, 2007 11:23 AM

Who do you want?
Ann coulter.

Olby's format is his own and it's working just fine.( would his contract been renewed ?)
He's speaking the truth, and bringing up stories that need the light of day on( like the walter Reed scandal)

The criticism of Olby is a sham...as is the Bsuh adminsitration.
it goes hand in hand.

Since it seems like this will be the way the children want to play today......

My next choice of irrelevant subject matter will be...

The braindamaged Cee thinks the Walter Reed scandal and how the Bush does not support the troops as irrelevant.

Not surprising !

How do you find your way to work each day, Cee, with those blindfolds on?

And as each country leaves Iraq, Cee is mum on that too.
What a joke !

On Scarborough last night , they went over a number of these so called biased comments and the conservative and his guests laughed them ( and OReilly's defender) right out of the studio.

Oh yes, OReilly does more spinning than a spinning top on his show.

Posted by: at February 21, 2007 11:22 AM

Scarborough spiked the Arkin story. Nice spin.

The laughable Cee doesn't touch that this ficticious "spitting incident" was brought up on Countdown and commented on by Jon Soltz of votevets.org.
Another of our Iraqi vets who said that this ridiculous spitting incident is just a smokescreen on how the Bush administration is not supporting our troops when they come back maimed and worse.

Let it to Cee to try to cover his presidents failures with smokescreen's like "the spitting incident" !

So, has The New York Times retracted or corrected the story covering that pathetic protest (that has accomplished nothing so far) of 1/28/07?

Because if they did, I would be more than happy to remove the quote.....The "paper of record," said it happened....why should I doubt it?

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Cee still doesn't get it.
One spitting incident whether it happened or not is like a pimple on on elephant's back.
The point Cee continues to avoid is how our troops are coming back from Iraq and not getting the care they need and the the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed. This scandal is shedding a light on how the Bush adminsitration could care less about the troops. They just talk a good game !

And the fact that our clueless president had to find out about this scandal from a LIBERAL NEWSPAPER.

Also Vet's benefits are being cut in the new bush budget.

And the otry about the Coalition of the "Leaving"

But let's ignore all of this and discuss Hillary.

To call Cee disingenuous is being kind.

The turth hurts.....William Arkin seems to show how the left really feels about the men and women in uniform.....

"These soldiers should be grateful that the American public, which by all polls overwhelmingly disapproves of the Iraq war and the President's handling of it, do still offer their support to them, and their respect. Through every Abu Ghraib and Haditha, through every rape and murder, the American public has indulged those in uniform.

"We don't see very many 'baby killer' epithets being thrown around these days, no one in uniform is being spit upon. So, we pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to speak up because they are above society? The recent NBC report is just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary - oops sorry, volunteer - force that thinks it is doing the dirty work."

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And now the left sheds crocodile tears over poor conditions in some VA facilities.....mmmm,

I thought, according to Arkin (who Olbermann agrees with!), these mercenaries were getting treated really well by the country!

So which is it people?....Perhaps it is really only because the left USES the troops as political weapons only when it suits their political agenda?

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

The laughable Cee doesn't touch that this ficticious "spitting incident" was brought up on Countdown and commented on by Jon Soltz of votevets.org.
Another of our Iraqi vets who said that this ridiculous spitting incident is just a smokescreen on how the Bush administration is not supporting our troops when they come back maimed and worse.

Let it to Cee to try to cover his presidents failures with smokescreen's like "the spitting incident" !

Posted by: the realist at February 21, 2007 11:40 AM

I agree. Let's talk about a milimeter of spit( if it even happened)
and let's ignore the real problems our wounded troops are facing, along with WHY so many are coming home wounded( of course we're not permitted to see the coffins, too much reality)

Did you notice that Tony Blair was called Bush's Lapdog yesterday?

Now who else was called that ?

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmm

o which is it people?....Perhaps it is really only because the left USES the troops as political weapons only when it suits their political agenda?

Cee continues to ignore the Walter Reed scandal.
How pathetic is that !

The Bush administration uses our troops as pawns in their games.
THEY are responsible for sending them in the middle of a civil war to be killed.

And then allow them to come home to rats running around during their rehabilitation.

I wish Jon Soltz, teh Iraqi war vet, could smack Cee and tell him the truth. Maybe he'd listen to him.

But I doubt it.
This dude is beyond reason , beyond reality.

How about adding a few more quotes to your posts , Cee.
That way you can look like a bigger fool !

Cee brings up the Arkin commentary again!

The frequency in which a single misguided quote by William Arkin, that occurred weeks ago coninues to be revived and dissected by the right over and over again illustrate just how little they have.

Posted by realdumb:

"Since it seems like this will be the way the children want to play today......

My next choice of irrelevant subject matter will be...

The braindamaged Cee thinks the Walter Reed scandal and how the Bush does not support the troops as irrelevant.
Not surprising !
How do you find your way to work each day, Cee, with those blindfolds on?
And as each country leaves Iraq, Cee is mum on that too.
What a joke !"

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Dear Mr. sh-t Eater,

You are the reason NBC and MSNBC are running that piece. They do not care about the troops. They are using it in an attempt to embarrass the President. And Mr. sh-t Eater opens his big whooping mouth and NBC, MSNBC and Olby and chugs all the sh-t them boys can pump down your gullet.

Some engineer you are. You stay on the net. You are no more an engineer than Al Gore is an expert on the environment.

Posted by realdumb:

"Since it seems like this will be the way the children want to play today......

My next choice of irrelevant subject matter will be...

The braindamaged Cee thinks the Walter Reed scandal and how the Bush does not support the troops as irrelevant.
Not surprising !
How do you find your way to work each day, Cee, with those blindfolds on?
And as each country leaves Iraq, Cee is mum on that too.
What a joke !"

END QUOTE

Dear Mr. sh-t Eater,

You are the reason NBC and MSNBC are running that piece. They do not care about the troops. They are using it in an attempt to embarrass the President. And Mr. sh-t Eater opens his big whooping mouth and chugs on all the sh-t MSNBC, NBC and Olby can pur down your throat.

Some engineer you are. You stay on the net. You are no more an engineer than Al Gore is an expert on the environment. You couldn't design a damned chop stick.

Brick, the liar: "I only come to this site once every 3 - 4 weeks"!

Brick can't even figure out how not to post more than once.
Nice.

There's oh Mikey calling people names and then falls apart when someone gives it back to him.

You can't take it especially when I hit so close to home.

You are the reason NBC and MSNBC are running that piece. They do not care about the troops. They are using it in an attempt to embarrass the President.
-Brick

yes Brick, exposing problems in order to rectify them is trying to make bush look bad.

Don't you think the truth makes him look bad ?

The next time Brick posts something of clarity, will be the first.

Inside Walter Reed Hospital

By NICOLE COLSON

The flights almost always land at night--and the wounded are brought off planes in the dark. Kept away from the news cameras, the nightly parade of the injured who arrive at Maryland's Andrews Air Force base from U.S. Army medical facilities in Germany are driven--sometimes in vans or school buses converted into ambulances--to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., the nation's top military hospitals.

These soldiers have gone from the front lines to the back door--brought back to the U.S. under the cover of darkness to keep them hidden from the media and the public.

According to the Pentagon, the soldiers arrive at night because "operational restrictions" at a runway near the military's main hospital in Germany, where the wounded from Iraq are brought first, affect the timing of flights.

But Paul Rieckhoff, founder and executive director of Operation Truth, an advocacy group for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, told Salon reporter Mark Benjamin that there is a different reason. "They do it so nobody sees [the wounded]," Rieckhoff said. "In their mindset, this is going to demoralize the American people. The overall cost of this war has been...continuously hidden throughout. As the costs get higher, their efforts to conceal those costs also increase."

For the nearly 4,000 U.S. troops wounded in Iraq who have been brought through the doors of Walter Reed as of March, the personal cost of the war is staggering. Despite the Bush administration's repeated claims of reaching a "turning point" in the occupation of Iraq, the 250 beds at Walter Reed have been filled to capacity since the invasion--and before that, since the early days of the war on Afghanistan in 2001.

In late 2003, press accounts reported that medical staff at Walter Reed staff were working 70- to 80-hour weeks to handle the influx of patients. Overcrowding was so bad, in fact, that a number of the less seriously wounded were sent to stay in hotels near the hospital--transported during the day to Walter Reed for outpatient treatment. The situation is no better today--though it is more hidden than ever because of the media blackout that the Pentagon has tried to throw over Walter Reed.

Among the patients, the number of seriously injured--suffering from burns, amputations, brain damage, infection and combat stress--show anything but a "turning point" in Iraq.

Ironically, the main reasons for the overflow of seriously injured are improvements in body armor and the use of better medical technology on the battlefield. Because of this, many soldiers today are surviving with more severe injuries than in previous wars.

According to Pentagon statistics, approximately 6 percent of the more than 12,000 troops wounded by bombs or bullets in Iraq or Afghanistan have required amputation--three times the rate in Vietnam. About 20 percent have head or neck injuries, and many more have suffered breathing and eating impairments, blindness or severe disfiguration. Dr. Roy Aaron of Brown Medical School in Rhode Island told the Boston Globe in December that the Veterans Affairs system "literally cannot handle the load" of amputees.

A recent USA Today report found that between January 2003 and January 2005, more than 400 cases of traumatic brain injury--usually the result of a bomb or rocket attack--were diagnosed among wounded soldiers at Walter Reed alone. Slightly more than half of those were left with some form of permanent brain damage.

Posted by Mikey:

Brick, the liar: "I only come to this site once every 3 - 4 weeks.

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What's the matter? Does it bother you? I mean when someone whines about peoples opinions on a blog that they support surely has some mental problems.

I enjoy making liberals look like the stooges they really are.

The above story( truth) will be ignored by a--holes like Brick and Cee.

The truth is ALWAYS TRYING to be hid with this administration:

According to the Pentagon, the soldiers arrive at night because "operational restrictions" at a runway near the military's main hospital in Germany, where the wounded from Iraq are brought first, affect the timing of flights.

But Paul Rieckhoff, founder and executive director of Operation Truth, an advocacy group for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, told Salon reporter Mark Benjamin that there is a different reason. "They do it so nobody sees [the wounded]," Rieckhoff said. "In their mindset, this is going to demoralize the American people. The overall cost of this war has been...continuously hidden throughout. As the costs get higher, their efforts to conceal those costs also increase."

No...you do not seem to get it....

....Each of the 4 quotes I repeatedly post shows an attribute of the secular left in this country that I find disturbing....

1) Flagrant hostility (usually hatred on this site) towards true faith....Which, by definition, must include acquisition of knowledge other than by one's own experience.

2) An example of the lefts' hypocrisy, cowardice and political opportunism over one of the most serious and destructive of all human inventions.....war.

3) The true attitude of the leftist towards anyone in support, working in or supplying the needs of the military establishment of The United States (unless, of course, the individual has expressed an anti-Bush sentiment).

4) The final, overlooked and ignored consequences of the left's agenda of domestic political opportunism during the Vietnam era. (McGovern is a perfect example of the antithesis of leadership)

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

How dare you, you mean-spirited, pompous old fool!

Just for accuracy it's a mean spirited, BALD, pompous old fool !( Cee)

The above post of Cee's is an illustration that he is senile or has completely lost his mind.

Notice he still won't touch any of the posts we're talking about.
It's back to God for him.

"Religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
( Patriotism)

A Haiku for your enjoyment...

MSNBC
A claim of neutrality
Lying sack of sh-t

Brick, the pathological, profanity addicted liar, who said weeks ago, twice in two days "I only come here once every 3 - 4 weeks", has already made at least 4 more ignorant posts just TODAY, not to mention some others only yesterday.

My advice is to do like I do; look at the name & if it's 'Brick', don't even waste your time reading it & go on to the next one.

It's Ok Brick, you rabidly support liars in your own government, so why would anyone expect YOU to be honest yourself?

Maybe Cee should read the INSIDE WALTER REED HOSPITAL.

But it might be a little more than he can handle.

It's amazing that he has many of our troops, much of the Congress and the bulk of the American people are against him, yet he has the balls to come out with " The true attitude of the leftist towards anyone in support, working in or supplying the needs of the military establishment of The United States (unless, of course, the individual has expressed an anti-Bush sentiment)".

A few cockroaches were supposedly seen somewhere "at" the hospital, doctors are working 60 to 80 hr weeks and the libs go nuts. Wow! My neighbor is a doctor and she sometimes works 100 hr weeks and they are horribly overcrowded, (mostly illegals!), understaffed, how come msnbc isn't at her hospital covering it, or any other hospital in the us that operate under the same conditions?

First, IF the leftist posters on this site did not immedietely personalize the WaPo story to say George Bush is an evil troop-hating man, I would have never have characterized the reaction as, "crocodile tears."

The reaction, of Olbermann and those who support him on this site, was exactly as I would expect it to be.....anti-administration. Fine....you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to characterize your reaction as I see it!

Secondly, I have worked in the VA system in various capacities for over 15 years, starting out as a medical student in 1991....The conditions of these facilities varies greatly from site to site, as the article covers....from the acute care facility at Walter Reed (stellar) to...just a few floors away....the long-term care facilities (poor at best).

They were poor in 1991....and they remain poor today. Why? Because like all self-sustaining government programs, the only impetus for improvement is complaint by the recipients (The veterans) as well as oversight...either by the press of from other parts of the federal beurocracy.

Unlike the shrill, do-nothing posters who only wring their hands over Bush Co, there are people trying to make the VA work....and the examples of poor treatment will TRIED to be corrected.

Please show me evidence that the WaPo story shows a system wide problem.

Please show me evidence that this system has ever been faultless (Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter administration post Vietnam) and when the VA was the shining example of American medical care.

I'll answer the second challenge....The VA system has ALWAYS been inferior to the private sector with regards to long-term and out-patient care....I see it every day. But this is a whole other argument.

There is one obvious question that arises from this situation......Do we want the US Government to expand their healthcare business to cover all Americans if they can't even seem to do right by the most deserving of us, the veterans?

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Keep up the good work brick. These lefty posters think that if they call you stupid long enough it may someday stick.

Its a liberal whine tactic. Maybe if you say Bush lied enough- the whole media machine will run with it, fact or not.

Brick is more concerned with what a poster's name is than the mountain of evidence against the administration he still tries to defend.
Is this fool serious ?

Wow, 'Brick', the pathological liar who is well known for saying "I only come here once every 3 - 4 weeks", has now taken over this board.

It's like the cartoon characters all over again. No intelligent life here! I'll try again later.

Brick, we have to remember, these are the exact same people that stand on their redwood decks that surround their wooden houses and have gas guzzling cars and trucks in their driveways while they cry about cutting down trees ( a renewable source) and hang on every lie Al (I invented the internet) Gore's last word!

First, IF the leftist posters on this site did not immedietely personalize the WaPo story to say George Bush is an evil troop-hating man, I would have never have characterized the reaction as, "crocodile tears."

The fact that Bush HAD to find out about the conditions at Walter Reed from the Wapo is something you again choose to ignore as is
the vets benefits cuts in the new Bush budget.
Why? Because it demonstrates how out of touch and what a hypocrite your president is.
Cee/Bush side by side singing along the hypocrite song !

Cee, since you're so close to the VA, please explain this administration's budget cuts in this department in a time of war and mass casualties?

Please explain this administrations flatline budget projections for the forseeable future regarding the VA?

Please explain YOUR OWN stated unwillingness to even pay any higher taxes in order to support the VA, the war you self righteously defend, and the less than whole veterans who will need care for the rest of their ruined lives?

Benson tells the ranting, illogical, factless Brick to keep up the good work.

The Olbyhaters Comedy Hour continues !

With Brick and Cee posting it was a close call but
TODAY'S MOST RIDICULOUS POST IS :

Brick, we have to remember, these are the exact same people that stand on their redwood decks that surround their wooden houses and have gas guzzling cars and trucks in their driveways while they cry about cutting down trees ( a renewable source) and hang on every lie Al (I invented the internet) Gore's last word!

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 12:55 PM

It would take over an hour to address the mind-numbing idiocy in that one post alone.

Good job , Jeff, you never fail to disappoint us.

The Wingnut Comedy Hour continues.

Decider, go get your bottle of Prozac, put it next to your pc, so you have it handy. I got an hour, let's hear it!

Jeff, you guys need to get your stereotypes straight!

What are we Jeff; "people who stand on their redwood decks that surround their wooden houses and have gas guzzling cars and trucks in their driveways", or are we just too lazy to work for a living so "we live out of our parents basements".

Those two stereotypes, along with many more, keep cropping up as you guys continue to struggle to define "just what is a liberal"?

Once you people lose your obvious obsession with liberals, you might have a little more time to get your own house and thoughts in order.

The wingnuts can't explain:

1. The cuts for our vets in Bush's budget.

2. The pushing for tax cuts in time of war( 1st president ever )

3. The Coalition of the Willing abandoning this president.

4. The overwhelming contempt this country has for this war, Bush and the republicans.

5.Why are we are continuing a war where the citizens of the country don't want us there, as is the citizens of the occupiers.

Decider, Jeff told me to go get my bottle of prozac last night.

It must be that we all need a little 'prozac' around to get us through the day, and I'll bet he probably got that line from his hero, Michael Savage.

If you like talking to brick walls, then start a "debate" with a liberal leftwing zombie. The only difference is the brick wall doesn't have 3 talking points that are easily knocked out of the park, but the brick wall at least has the ability to learn something.

"hang on every lie Al (I invented the internet) Gore's last word!"

Al Gore sponsored the bill that led to the creation of the internet.

The knowledge that Jeff possesses could be placed on the head of a pin !

If you like talking to brick walls, then start a "debate" with a liberal leftwing zombie. The only difference is the brick wall doesn't have 3 talking points that are easily knocked out of the park, but the brick wall at least has the ability to learn something.

Posted by: Matt at February 21, 2007 1:10 PM

I have five of them right above your pointy little head, Matt.
Go ahead. Knock them out of the park.
(Or swing, miss and strike out like you usually do )

I dare you.

Matt...in case you get confused as you usually do, and can't find them, here they are:
Knock them out of the park :

Explain:

1. The cuts for our vets in Bush's budget.

2. The pushing for tax cuts in time of war( 1st president ever )

3. The Coalition of the Willing abandoning this president.

4. The overwhelming contempt this country has for this war, Bush and the republicans.

5.Why are we are continuing a war where the citizens of the country don't want us there, as do the citizens of the occupiers.

Matt says: "if you like talking to brick walls, then start a 'debate' with a leftwing zombie. The only difference is the brick wall doesn't have 3 talking points that are easily knocked out of the park".

This, coming from an Airhead who has never done ANYTHING but post ignorant put downs of 'liberals', along with an occasional single line talking point sound bite.

This hypocrite is yet to 'knock' ANYTHING "out of the park". In fact, he's afraid to even take a swing!

Obama and McCaskill sponsor a bill to fix Walter Reed. Of course it takes the Democrats in COngress to get anything done. Where were the Republicans the past 6 years ?

Tuesday 20 February 2007

Washington - The Bush administration ordered a review on Tuesday of the care of wounded U.S. troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan after reports that many face neglect in the Army's medical system.

Democrats controlling Congress demanded a thorough investigation and promised legislation after a Washington Post series exposed deteriorating conditions for hundreds of outpatients at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, the premier U.S. military hospital.

The controversy poses a public relations problem for President George W. Bush, who has spoken often of America's debt to military personnel wounded in the wars, visited the hospital's wards and honored military amputees at White House functions.

The White House expressed concern at conditions for veterans after reports that many suffering physical and psychological problems lived in shoddy housing on or near the sprawling complex and faced long battles with Army bureaucracy.

Even Woogy should be able to understand this: I don't waste my time with pathetic pieces of bile-spewing Idiots like you and every other Internet Leftwing Dolt. I just like irritating you because it's so entertaining and easy to do. All you have to do is call them what they are.

Woogy, you know you're a piece of sh-t right? C'mon, nobody's breaking any news there for you.

Liberalism, it is proven day in and day out right here on this site, it is a horrible mental disorder.

Yes indeed. WHERE WERE THE REPUBLICANS THE PAST 6 YEARS?

Any republican like to respond about his MIA party.

Liberalism, it is proven day in and day out right here on this site, it is a horrible mental disorder.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 1:23 PM

as heard on Hannity and Colmes.

Jeff is a loyal follower, and remembers all the lines.

Good for you , Jeff. Now would you like a crack at my 5 questions ?

Yes, Jeff. Your are 100% correct. Liberalism infects the minds of the weak and spreads through contact of like-simple-minded dolts who fall into basically two categories:

1. Drug-affected loons
2. Those who've paid for, or had an abortion.

The former obviously skews rational thought. The latter explains why they're so emotional and why they spend their lives justifying a horrid experience, by blaming what they deem "conservative".

Two Democratic senators, Barbara Mikulski of Maryland and Patty Murray of Washington, wrote Defense Secretary Robert Gates urging a high-level investigation of "deplorable living conditions" at Walter Reed, where presidents, lawmakers and soldiers have been treated since 1909.

Two other Democrats, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, said they would introduce legislation to improve the quality of care and require more frequent inspections of active-duty military hospitals.

WHERE WERE THE REPUBLICANS?

Hey Decider, your idiotic "5 questions" are simple to blow out of the water, but I don't expect you to unbend yourself out of pretzel to comprehend.

The tax cuts you abhor have grown our economy and have increased revenue into the Fed. This "debate" is over jackass. Tax cuts benefit everybody, especially those who pay taxes, but even the do-nothing losers who don't.

57% of the country want us to win, but your heroes in the press and in Congress are doing their best to undermine the effort and convince people we're not.

What President didn't "cut the vets' budget"? You don't know what you're talking about (big surprise) but are simply echoing idiots you read like Mike Puke-ipa.

Matt comes on to cheer that simpleton, Jeff on.

If our minds are so weak, show how strong YOURS is and respond to my 5 questions,, or are you all hot air ?

"57% of the country want us to win, but your heroes in the press and in Congress are doing their best to undermine the effort and convince people we're not".

Way to skew the debate Matt.
You fail to admit that 65% of Americans want us out of Iraq, and even more don't want an escalation.

The tax cuts have mostly helped people in the upper escalon of the tax brackets.
You see Ben Stein totally humiliate Bill Oreilly last night on the tax issue ?
Since you're a loyal follower of Fox, I'm sure you did, but can't bear to talk about it.

And you punt Bush's cuts for vets, when Bush has said," Our men in uniform will never lack anything".

And then blame it all on the press like a good Fox News puppet.

Matt: swings and misses STRIKE THREE !

"57% of the country want us to win, but your heroes in the press and in Congress are doing their best to undermine the effort and convince people we're not".

So the news that we're losing the war in Iraq is the press and Congress' fault.
I see.

Another clear thinking commentary by the Mighty Matt !

Matt spews out some bile: "I don't waste my time with ignorant bile spewing idiots like you".

Yes, Matt claims he doesn't do exactly what he IS doing as he spews out the 'ignorant bile' that he erroneously accuses me of spewing.

The Hypocracy spewing from the keyboards of these pitifull filks is absolutely mind boggling!

"57% of the country want us to win"

I hope that 57% includes you Decider, Woogy and Co.
Or would a victory mean you've been wrong for the past 6 years?
Tough place that rock and a hard place.

PS. Who are the 43%? a--holeS for sure.

Matt declares with his typical eloquence: "the debate is over jackass".

Then it must be so, because Matt says it's so!

PPS. Its nice to have nice debate with simple name calling rather than the endless gripes about the 'namesnatching"

"57% of the country want us to win"

I hope that 57% includes you Decider, Woogy and Co."

Posted by Benson at February 21, 2007 1:46 PM

but they know WE'RE NOT and are not willing to have an everlasting war with mounting casualities .

Benson and Matt ignore these facts :

BAGHDAD - Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll.

and

" A large majority of Iraqis'71%'say they would like the Iraqi government to ask for US-led forces to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less. Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like US-led forces withdrawn 'within six months,' while another 34 percent opt for "gradually withdraw[ing] US-led forces according to a one-year timeline."

and

More broadly, 79 percent of Iraqis say that the US is having a negative influence on the situation in Iraq, with just 14 percent saying that it is having a positive influence.

The wingnuts love to ignore the facts !

Woogy asks:

"Cee, since you're so close to the VA, please explain this administration's budget cuts in this department in a time of war and mass casualties?Please explain this administrations flatline budget projections for the forseeable future regarding the VA? Please explain YOUR OWN stated unwillingness to even pay any higher taxes in order to support the VA, the war you self righteously defend, and the less than whole veterans who will need care for the rest of their ruined lives?"

Easy....

First, treating veterans with military disabilities, low incomes, and special needs (such as substance abuse and spinal cord injuries) has traditionally been VA’s core medical care mission and its highest priority. However, a decision to expand medical services to other veterans in 1998 jeopardized the care of these high-priority veterans who had fallen from 98% to 74% of VA medical care enrollees. The addition of "noncombat" benefits put the VA in a difficult spot even before the war.

Bush's 2005 VA medical care budget was almost 41% greater than the one in place when he took office, and it treated about a million more patients. The load of patients that has increased could be paid for with more federal money (taxes)....however, the administration has increased medical care collections from both insurance companies and higher income, non-disabled patients. By charging insurance companies a more appropriate rate, by improving the identification of patients with insurance, and increasing the accuracy of its bills, VA was able to increase its collections by more than $1.6 billion—or three times that in place prior to the effort. By having the noncombat benefits be addressed by means other than increasing taxes, the administration projects lower budget projections. I see NO problem in this because it forces the VA to get revenue other than through taxes....this is only right.

The costs of caring for new participants in the VA system from the Iraq war MAY need to be addressed...no one can predict the future. However, the total VA budget that is paid for by taxes could be reduced if those areas of revenue from noncombat related healthcare surces are maximized.

This is the NONDEMOGOGIC analysis of the Bush budget for the VA through 2009....it makes sense to maximize revenue from insurance companies, and from nonindigent, NONCOMBAT health issues veterens before going back to the federal treasury.

And please remember, not continuing a PROJECTED increase is NOT A CUT. The Democrats try to trick noneducated people like you by saying Bush "cut the budget" when all he has done is not provided the projected increase predicted from two years ago.....This propaganda tool is still used by the left in this country.

Bottomline is Woogy....under Bush we are spending more on the VA than we did under Clinton....caring for more NONCOMBAT related healthcare problems because of decisions made prior to 2000....AND the drive to pay for all of this with revenue OTHER THAN FEDERAL TAXES is a good thing and very possible.

My huge federal tax bill (34% of my annual income including Medicare and FICA) does NOT have to be increased if the federal government was more adept at paying for entitlement programs correctly, distributing the benefits fairly, and was more efficient. I believe the US Government will never be motivated to accomplish all three of these good goals if people like you (the left) demand they take more of my hard earned money in the form of taxation which allows for this failure.

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Realist with no forethought?
Pull out now, as the democrats are whining for, and what happens?

Worst case scenario, falls under rule of Iran and an even larger terrorist sponsor is created.

Best case scenario- Iraq pulls up their britches and creates a loving peace state.

For a liberal that always sees doom and gloom, how do forsee the results of an early exit? Scenario B? Doubt it.

Where's the realism in your theories?

Because you are so miserable I doubt you saw the 60 Minutes peace on the Kurds. Too much reality there for ya?

No Benson, a 'victory' would not at all mean I "have been wrong the last 6 years".

If all the best projections suddenly came to pass, against all apparent odds, I would STILL say the cost of invading and occupying a country that did not attack us was not worth the cost. I would STILL say entering into a war based on false information is a terrible precident.

So, no Benson, if the question is framed as "do you want victory", I would not be one to answer 'no'. Somehow I question as to whether the actual question was framed like that though.

As for 'victory', this little term is far too simplistic to be taken at face value given the reality of the situation. The stark reality of the situation means 'victory' would have to be several steps short of the original "Democracy will flower" goal. In other words, 'victory' is a lesser of two evils at best, even as it is currently being defined by the administration.

So while you guys keep asking this simplistic "do you want victory" question, take a little time to ask yourself the questions; Exactly what, realistically, IS 'victory', and then, within that less than utopean definition of 'victory', was it worth the final cost, to us, to Iraq, and to the world, and most importantly, to the families of those 3000 + Americans killed, and the many, many, more horribly maimed?

Now you have the question Bill O'Reilly and Shaun Hannity won't ask.

"Liberalism, it is proven day in and day out right here on this site, it is a horrible mental disorder."

Yes Jeff....The liberal immedietely becomes emotional, demogogues the issue and looks for someone to blame......never SOLVING the problem.

An investigation of poor conditions at SOME VA facilties was accomplished by The WaPo....fix it.....we do not need politicians pushing eachother away from the cameras to accomplish this.

Next point......
Fine, the left claims The American People and The Iraqi People want us out of Iraq....fix it.....cut the funds, impeach POTUS and VPOTUS and get the troops home now....stop the hand wringing!

Neither will happen....

You see how dishonest the left's rhetoric is? All CROCODILE TEARS (political opportunism) and no definitive action to actually solve the problem.

This continues to be like shooting fish in a barrel!

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Cee: "not continuing a PROJECTED an increase is NOT A CUT".

I didn't say it was! But NOT projecting a huge and steadily increasing need based on current reality is sheer lunacy.

Benson:

You are pretty much ignoring the reality that the Kurds in the north were pretty much autonomous BEFORE we invaded. Most of this area was already under a "no fly" restriction, and Saddma only had limited influence. You knew that, didn't you?

Nobody ever really expected major problems in that part of the country.

Cee can really throw the sh-t around, can't he.

He thinks if he writes 10,000 words , we'll just passively accept his fairy tales.

Now the truth.
I'll believe CNN.com before anything this head case Cee tells us.

Note the part that says:"But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better."
That's Cee. Always trying to blow smoke up our asses.
Sorry, Cee. you lose AGAIN !

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration's budget assumes cuts to veterans' health care two years from now -- even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system.

Bush is using the cuts, critics say, to help fulfill his pledge to balance the budget by 2012. But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better.

After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly -- by more than 10 percent in many years -- White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter.

The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends -- its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office -- sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better.

"Either the administration is willingly proposing massive cuts in VA health care," said Rep. Chet Edwards of Texas, chairman of the panel overseeing the VA's budget. "Or its promise of a balanced budget by 2012 is based on completely unrealistic assumptions."

A spokesman for Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the top Republican on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, called the White House moves another step in a longtime "budgeting game."

even Cee's republican friends calls it a "budgeting game " AT BEST.

Cee: Your lies will not be tolerated.

Woogy- obviously you missed the 60 minutes because these people claim to be better off and LOVE America and Bush more than you ever did.

Autonomous from Saddam? No fly zone? You would have seen that even during the restrictions Saddam's henchmen would go in and remove people by the busloads and execute them. But you go on with your hatred of all things we've done over there. You obviously know more than those Kurds.

Benson, saw the piece- and only an Olbyloon would brush off the Kurd's bliss as a inconsequential. Pathetic!

It amazes me that you can bitch about the Kurds success. Let it go. It shows the lengths you will go to try and discredit any success our country has over there. Amazing!

CEE SAYS:"under Bush we are spending more on the VA than we did under Clinton".

Well I should hope so ! With inflation and the fact that Clinton didn't have thousands of maimed and limbless troops coming back from a war he should spend more. By saying it's more than Clinton's is just another disingenous statement by our (un) holyman Cee.

This fool is always desperately trying to put powdered sugar on a plate of steaming manure( otherwise known as the Bush Administration)

That's one thing you can ALWAYS count on him for !

You get married Bushey?
Months ago Bushkill Falls, PA
Now you are Bushkill Falls, Pennsylvania
Whats with longer name?

Here's another part of Bush's budget you won't hear the pathetic Cee talk about :

Bush Budget Raises Drug Prices for Many Veterans
By ROBERT PEAR and CARL HULSE

Doug Mills/The New York Times
Copies of the president's budget proposal were passed out on Capitol Hill on Monday.

WASHINGTON, Feb. 6 - President Bush's budget would more than double the co-payment charged to many veterans for prescription drugs and would require some to pay a new fee of $250 a year for the privilege of using government health care, administration officials said Sunday.

This while $billions are wasted in Iraq by overcharging, waste and fraud.

Nice Bush, keep sticking it to our troops while you give a pass to your reconstruction companies in Iraq !

The name jacking must be continuing!

It seems I must have answered my own post at 2:23.

Sorry, that was me!

Wingnuts need to read :

Bush Is Losing the "War on Terror"
By Robert Parry
Consortium News

Tuesday 20 February 2007

Despite the sacrifices in lives, treasure and liberties, the painful reality is that the United States is losing the "war on terror" - in large part because too many people in the Middle East and across the globe view George W. Bush as a bully and a hypocrite.

Bush has become the ugly face of America, mouthing pretty words about freedom and democracy while threatening other nations and bludgeoning those who get in his way. Perhaps even worse, Bush has shown himself to be an incompetent commander, especially for a conflict as complicated and nuanced as this one.

Indeed, it is hard to envision how the United States can win the crucial battles for the hearts and minds of key populations if Bush remains President. Arguably, Bush has become a "clear and present danger" to the interests of the American people - yet he still has almost two years left in his term.

This predicament - the desperate need for new U.S. leadership and the difficult fact of being stuck with Bush - was underscored by the Feb. 19 lead article in the New York Times describing the revival of al-Qaeda as a worldwide terror network operating out of new bases in remote sections of Pakistan.

"American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan," the Times reported.

"As recently as 2005, American intelligence assessments described senior leaders of al-Qaeda as cut off from their foot soldiers and able only to provide inspiration for future attacks. But more recent intelligence describes the organization's hierarchy as intact and strengthening," the Times wrote.

You get married Bushey?
Months ago Bushkill Falls, PA
Now you are Bushkill Falls, Pennsylvania
Whats with longer name?

Posted by: Benson at February 21, 2007 2:35 PM

I've been married for 30 years.
Just changed it when the hyjacking epidemic was in full force.

Does this make you feel more comfortable ?

"while threatening other nations (Iran and North Korea) and bludgeoning those who get in his way (Afghanistan and Iraq)"

Four nations the Democrats seem to see as harmless!
Nice article

"Bush has become the ugly face of America, mouthing pretty words about freedom and democracy while threatening other nations and bludgeoning those who get in his way. Perhaps even worse, Bush has shown himself to be an incompetent commander, especially for a conflict as complicated and nuanced as this one".

Benson, Jeff, Matt, Cee and Brickhead
say: "So what" ?

Just asking. Makes sense as 'Pennsylvania' would fluster a keyboard stumbler like the hijacker.

Four nations the Democrats seem to see as harmless!

Benson lies.
The Democrats know that Iraq wasn't a threat to us, and we could've saved a $half of trillion to use to fight terrorism around the globe.

opinion bitch- opinion

The Decider demogogues....

"The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends -- its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office -- sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better."

The previous was an opinion and conjecture....not fact....Do not try to report it as fact even if you read it at CNN.com....

My opinion and conjecture is just as valid and supported by government supplied numbers (CBO)...IF the VA stopped being wasteful with noncombat related veteran healthcare and increased non-governmental revenue, I could easily project a decreased budgetary need.....but again....opinion is fact to a liberal....and this is the problem with trying to have a logical discussion.

And forget silly, stupid, emotional Rosie O'Donnell (Bushkill)....who totally misses the point of my post.....The increase in VA use was even before we invaded Afghanistan or Iraq because the VA opened itself up to the noncombat injured, less needy Veterans in 1998.......

Example, I have a retired pharma CEO as a patient in my private practice....85 years old.....net worth in the millions....two houses, winters in Florida....at least a month out of the country vacationing yearly....

He was a sailor during WWII...never received VA benefits until he discovered he was eligable in 2002.

No combat realted injuries.....

He has Medicare, a great supplemental plan and Medicare D......BUT......

Still sees the VA physician twice a year and gets his prescription drugs through the VA free of charge. While still seeing me with his Medicare and private supplemental plan.

This is the real reason the VA budget is in peril....nonneedy patients like my guy who could do without VA help but still gets it under the 1998 policy.

The help and care for COMBAT Veterans was NEVER at issue with the VA budget....It's how to pay for the 30+ percent NONCOMBAT healthcare use that will continue to increase as boomers take advantage of the system. Some of them will be like my guy....triple covered (Meidcare D, a supplemental, AND VA benefits).

This is the reality....not the silly Bush smearing crud posted by the less educated liberals previously (The Decider (liar) or Woogy).

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

This article continues from the previous post and should give the wingnuts a good education and makes them see their talking points are all nonsense.

Even Bush recognized that his struggling campaign had been helped by bin Laden. "I thought it was going to help," Bush said in a post-election interview about the videotape. "I thought it would help remind people that if bin Laden doesn't want Bush to be the President, something must be right with Bush."

Bin Laden, a well-educated Saudi and a keen observer of U.S. politics, appears to have recognized the same point in cleverly tipping the election to Bush.

Prolonging the War

Al-Qaeda's leaders understood that a U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq might mean a renewed assault on them as well as the loss of their cause celebre for recruiting new jihadists. With Bush ensconced for a second term, that concern lessened but didn't entirely disappear.

According to a captured July 9, 2005, letter, attributed to Zawahiri, al-Qaeda leaders still fretted over the possibility that a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq could touch off the disintegration of their operations, as jihadists who had flocked to Iraq to battle the Americans might simply give up the fight and go home.

"The mujahaddin must not have their mission end with the expulsion of the Americans from Iraq, and then lay down their weapons, and silence the fighting zeal," said the "Zawahiri letter," according to a text released by the office of the U.S. Director of National Intelligence.

In another captured letter, dated Dec. 11, 2005, a senior al-Qaeda operative known as "Atiyah" wrote that "prolonging the war [in Iraq] is in our interest." [For details, see Consortiumnews.com's "Al-Qaeda's Fragile Foothold."]

Now, it appears al-Qaeda's "Bush-second-term" strategy is paying big dividends. Bush is stretching U.S. forces even thinner by escalating the American troop commitment in Iraq while also deploying military assets to threaten Shiite Iran, another enemy of the Sunni fundamentalists in al-Qaeda.

Meanwhile, al-Qaeda's Taliban allies are on the offensive against embattled NATO contingents in Afghanistan, and new al-Qaeda units are undergoing training in Pakistan. In Iraq, al-Qaeda still makes up only a small percentage of the armed insurgency - probably less than five percent - but it benefits from the arrival of new recruits and the opportunity to test out military tactics against the Americans.

Overall, time and momentum appear to be on al-Qaeda's side. As long as Bush remains America's leader and al-Qaeda's poster boy, there seems little chance for a more effective U.S. counterinsurgency strategy.

Unlike the Iraqi insurgents who are proving to be highly adaptive in the field, Bush can't seem to get beyond his tough-guy rhetoric and his obsession with military force. He remains bin Laden's favorite President.

According to one recent Newsweek poll, 58 percent of Americans wish the Bush administration were over. But there is a long way between wishing for a desperately needed change and the slow process of the electoral calendar.

The trickier questions are: Can the United States afford 23 more months of Bush in the White House? Does his incompetence in the face of today's fast-moving crises demand extraordinary action to remove him from office through impeachment?

If impeachment is impossible, given the sizable Republican minorities in both the House and Senate, is there at least some hope for legislative remedies that can begin to correct Bush's many errors? Could patriotic Republicans confront the President and Vice President about resignations?

Or must the American people wait two more years as today's "clear and present danger" grows only more acute?

CEE:My opinion and conjecture is just as valid and supported by government supplied numbers (CBO)

Oh yes, we can certainly trust THIS government's supplied numbers.
This government's track record is so good with being honest.

Cee is tool, and thinking people don't buy your propaganda.

Let's revisit reality,since we've had so much of cee's delusional "conjecture" about the budget.

After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly -- by more than 10 percent in many years -- White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter.

The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends -- its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office -- sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better.

America knows better pea brain , Cee. That's why you were voted out of office, and won't be back for a very very very long time !

So confident in Hillary? Can't run against Bush again.

Hillary Obama Edwards will beat the Mormon,the 72 yr old war hawk or the 3 wives, pro abortion, pro gay rights guy.

You haven't been to the south lately...

Decider, your hypocrisy knows no boundaries. A Republican is pro abortion and pro gay and you have the stupidity to criticize him in open forum. Only dems are allowed to be pro gay and pro abortion in your world, right?

The Decider is clueless....

"CEE:My opinion and conjecture is just as valid and supported by government supplied numbers (CBO)

"Oh yes, we can certainly trust THIS government's supplied numbers.
This government's track record is so good with being honest."

So The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) can't be trusted now? I guess I'll just take the word of The Decider and send 40% of my gross income to Washington and hope for the best!

Furthermore.....

The Decider is deranged....

"America knows better pea brain , Cee. That's why you were voted out of office, and won't be back for a very very very long time !"

I did not know I was an office holder.....And, um, Who is still President and VP? Oh, and how many House votes does it take to over-ride a Presidential veto..and....oh, What about cloture in The Senate?....Have Harry Reid et al. got that toothless resolution through yet?

Well, deranged decider, when you have the correct answers to these questions and cease being a loon....and get BACK TO REALITY, I may address your insanity again.

Like fish in a barrell!

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Decider, sadly mistaken, again, Hannity and Lizard face Colmes have never used the "liberalism is a mental disorder." That come from the great Micheal Savage and it couldn't be truer.

Lizard Face? THAT IS an insult to all the cute lizards!

The Decider asks.....

"Or must the American people wait two more years as today's 'clear and present danger' grows only more acute?"

No need! Cut the funding, restrict the number of troops, legislate withdrawal, start impeachment hearings and garner public support (seems you claim to have it already) to have Bush/Cheney removed from office for illegal behavior and/or incompetence.

Bring it on.

Afterall...this is what that silly protest demanded almost one month ago.....what's taking so long?

Impotence has a cure.

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Yes Jeffy, it does seem to be true that Michael Savage is the only high profile right winger to say something as stupid as "liberalism is a mental disorder", and it is sadder still that he actually has followers who are equally stupid enough to take such deranged garbage to heart.

A sign of the times, I guess.

testing 123

Cee, you know as well as I do that there is not enough support in Congress to cut the funding at this time.

So what is it with you and all this taunting?

I see that both Fox 'News' and MSNBC are currently whoring themselves with continual live coverage of the Anna Nicole Smith's 'body' story.

We have become one sick society if this is what people care about.

Woozy, what is actually "sad" is people like your "hero" Overbite going on national tv and defending the enemy on a daily basis. Thank God he is pandering to a very small group of people. What's so comical is the fact that half of his audience (if not more) don't buy into his propaganda and are only watching for the "entertainment" value.

Woogy.....My taunting is in response to the taunting....

"America knows better pea brain , Cee. That's why you were voted out of office, and won't be back for a very very very long time !"

Who understands that consensus may be achieved vis a vis Iraq? Well, the radical left and the posters that write such silly things surely do not want consensus...And it seems that resolutions that accomplish nothing but CYA the representative voting for it is contributing to the goal of a sound national policy with regards to an ACTIVE war.

Bush hatred, like The Decider shows, is an option....I simply see that choice as nonproductive and wrong....this is why I taunt.

Again, Bush is asking for 100 Million this month for the war effort....Will The Democrats meet his demands? Who will vote yes, who will vote no?

It seems Bush is not such a lame duck (as the Bush hater would claim) if there even is a question on whether he will get what he wants with regard to his policy in Iraq.

cee
"Faith means not wanting to know the truth" Nietzsche (used by leftist OW poster)

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

Jeffy believes the following:

- Stephen Colbert is a conservative who is "actually criticizing the libs". Yes, he actually posted this.
- He has learned all about liberals from ... Michael Savage. Yes, he actually posted this as well.
- He is fascinated with big bombs and think that is the solution to our problems. See some of lasts night's posts.

Jeffy wouldn't understand patriotism or "defending the enemy" if it slapped him in his face. Just like most neocons, he has never served, will never serve, and would never serve, but he wants OTHER Americans to keep giving THEIR lives for HIM.

Jeffy is not very smart. There are other far right posters on here MUCH smarter than Jeffy, such as Cee, and MD, but Jeffy still thinks he's a player, as he continues to spew out his Michael Savage inspired talking points.

Every now and then, one of the smarter posters mentioned above will step up and give him another attaboy, and thats all he needs to keep up his silly rhetoric.

B.Hussain Obama vs. The CLintons. Priceless! Rip each other to shreds, liberal front-runners. HA!!

Woozy, I'll give you this, you are pretty good at putting words in people's mouths and calling people "stupid." It doesn't take too many brains to do that over and over again. Then again, coming from someone that supposedly served our country, but, had never heard of the "moab" bomd. He has learned all about liberals from ... Michael Savage. Yes, he actually posted this as well.
- He is fascinated with big bombs. Show me where I actually said this, you won't. Another "wozzy" flat out lie. Every day you are caught lying and spinning, a popular overbite MO.

Woozy, I don't think I could admit that I was defending the enemy, not that I would, though. I don't blame you for "responding" to my last post, rather, you chose the "divert" tactic, spineless.

(Mr Bill will have Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, and Dennis Miller.)

-preamble for Februrary 21 2007

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Uh, it is kind of hard to make it seem like Keith Olbermann is a repetative hack when Bill O' Rielly keeps on having Dennis Miller on every night !!! Sheeeeesh !!!

Hussain v. Billary- the meltdown begins! Bet you Overbite gives this about as much time tonight as he gave the Habeas Corpus ruling yesterday, none!

Obama, "Miller Time" is an actual segment on the show. Orangebrows one sided "guests" aren't parts of actual "segments" they are merely "olbyhacks."

Jeff: I will take you up on that. Dennis Miller is getting (got?) his very own radio program. All of the recent publicity that he is getting from FOX (this being the 3rd go around for flash-in-the-pan Dennis Miller) is glut. I for one do not stand for it. The FOX management, Bill O' Rielly, and who ever allows Dennis Miller should be ashamed of themselves for promoting Dennis Miller. They clearly are "schills" of the worst kind.

Obama, Miller speaks the truth and tells it like it really is, it is what it is. I will admit, he very opinionated, that is the purpose of the segment, a different view, imagine that!

jeff

I find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE that you use the Senator Obama's middle name like a RACIAL SLUR.

*slaps with glove*

I demand satisfaction, sir!

Shameless promotion of a hiree. HOwever, I am all for different views :-) I am currently on Newshole, Issue 1, and I am going to stick in an opinnion that is indeed contrary of the average fan of Countdown. :-)

er, Issue 2. my mistake ---

"Obama, Miller speaks the truth and tells it like it really is, it is what it is. I will admit, he very opinionated, that is the purpose of the segment, a different view, imagine that!
Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 7:11 PM"

**** "The truth"? ****

Is this kind of like the bible is the "Truth"?

What you are saying? You are saying facts have no value. Just as a religious fundamentalists would say.

Faith in a belief is not, contrary to what zealots, both theist and non-theist believe, the "Truth".

Truth is based on a set of facts.

You live in your fantasy world of imagined significance. Nothing you have ever expressed here has even come close to being reflective of reality - let alone "Truth".

So you are reduced to merely making claims. In the same way a Mormon or Jehovah Witnness would on your doorstep any given day of the week would make claims of what tryth is.

Denise Miller is in his world, the same as you are in yours. Exhaustedly defeated but to vain to admit defeat.

To me... this makes you both losers!

Obama, don't waste your time making a post on "the black hole," unless youcan prove you are a teenage girl, they won't allow your post.

Coward Watch, you have just proven, again, your hypocrisy knows no boundaries....are you and woozy on the same meds?

Coward watch, can you explain your love of muslims and your hatred of Christians?

Obama, don't waste your time making a post on "the black hole," unless youcan prove you are a teenage girl, they won't allow your post.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 7:27 PM

Waste time? Uhh what have you been doing the last 48 hours?

Oh that's right, living on this web page 24/7 because you are in a broil of humiliation that Robert Cox posted an admission that this page may very well be serving as a promotional influence of Keith Olbermanns recognition as an American Hero! (Well those weren't his exact words).

Robert Cox is correct. I said the same thing the first time I posted on this page. I love this page I always said. It is a great stomping ground for minions of rational people to come for squeezing the nuts of hate mongers like Jeff - AKA Redwolf, Rico, The Factor and a whole list of made up and borrowed names.

Real satisfaction has arrived twice while visiting this page. Nov 7th, and Keith Olbemanns new contract with MSNBC.

The counter effect has been that it has deflated much of right wing zealots here. Only a the most ardent of the self deluders remain.

Oh hi "Jeff" can Redwolf come out and play?

Prediction.

Jeff (Redwolf/Rico), will not be able to stop himself on this one. A predictable excuse will be forth coming.

Jeff, I challenge you to once and for all prove me wrong about my summations of your person.

I have defined you many ways this side of vile and depraved. Show us all I am full of sh-t and read this article (link below) and then discuss it here.

I say you are too f---ing stupid to know how to read beyond an 8th grade level. I say you will ignore or make a lame excuse as to why you won't read this article and then join others who have in discussing it here.

You are stupid, and you are predictable!

Excuses?

http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=284333&selected=Analyses

Oh that's right, living on this web page 24/7 because you are in a broil of humiliation that Robert Cox posted an admission that this page may very well be serving as a promotional influence of Keith Olbermanns recognition

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When I first came to this website ... I kind of thought that they liked Keith Olbermann. Perhaps in the same way that Tom the cat likes Jerry the mouse. Although --- when you really started to get in to everything ... you really do see that they hate Keith Olbermann.

Now that the end to this website is coming ... will we now see a "if you can't beat them, join them" type thing go on. Maybe we will see R. Cox on Countdown. & who knows ... maybe Johnny Dollar will turn his attention away from Keith Olbermann and create a website that debunks Rush Limbaughh's lie ... These things and more have yet to be seen...

I can't help it Jeffy, It's just that I can't possibly take seriously anybody who takes a bombastic, totally deranged idiot like Michael Savage seriously. I'm really sorry about calling you stupid, but 'stupid' really IS the only word that comes to mind regarding that. Maybe we just need to agree to disagree and let it go, because there's just no middle ground for us if your beliefs are way off in the right field stands like they obviously are.

You are the ONLY person I have ever encountered, in person, or on the blogs, who has actually admitted to having an admiration for Michael Savage, and that really creeps me out to the point that no civil dialoque regarding politics could really be possibly between you and I.

Believe it or not, if we knew each other personally, we'd probably like each other. I have some good very conservative friends who we disagree to the point that we just don't talk politics, although I don't think they're off as far in right field as you are.

That said, you have actually kept it fairly civil, more civil than me, as a matter of fact, and I respect you for that. Regards.

Maybe we will see R. Cox on Countdown. & who knows ... maybe Johnny Dollar will turn his attention away from Keith Olbermann and create a website that debunks Rush Limbaughh's lie ... These things and more have yet to be seen...

Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 21, 2007 7:48 PM

Yes indeed, a text book path for promotion of name but not for respected validity of opinions!

If change in a person's views is prompted by financial interests that is fine, if you are a financial expert at work. But if you present yourself as a person of convictions and change your views for self promotion, it would be hard to be a success at either.

COWARD Watch, you just played the "divert" card out of the "blame, scapegoat, divert" deck. That seems to be the most popular card these days.Then you use the f word and call me stupid, then you call me vile and depraved! You totally avoided my previous question. Can you explain your love for muslims and your hatred for Christians?

Also in a better world, Michael Savage and Diane Sawyer would get along. Nope --- he called her the double-u word. I am sure that Dianne Sawyer did nothing wrong. Probably a slip of the toungue. Ohhh---well.

(P.S.: The link does not go over to the siting of Wiener attacking Sawyer. It goes to Tucker Carlson making an issue of Barrack Obama's deep seeded faith. Tucker is too nicea first name for this bad bad person.)

Woozy, have you ever listened to Savage? He hammers Bush on a daily basis, you might like him! For that matter, he hammers Republicans all the time, he isn't as one sided as many people think he is.

Jeff, it's just that when you call somebody, or a whole group of people "mentally ill" for their political beliefs, or anything else of that ilk, you cross the bounds of civil dialoque, and begin to touch raw emotions in a very negative way.

When he publicly proclaims "liberalism is a form of mental illness", he is calling ME mentally ill, and that precludes any and all dialoque. In fact, if he said something like that to me face to face, I would probably hit him! But I doubt if he would actually say that to me or anyone else face to face.

COWARD Watch, Diane Sawyer was just in Iran hangin' out with the enemy. She actually kissed his feet! You won't here that in the mainstream media, though. I didn't hear the name he called sawyer, I am drawing a blank on what the "double-u" word would be, feel free to call me stupid, since it seems to be your favorite word.

Jeff: What would you have done if you were an assigned reporter in Iraq hosting an interview for a major television interest surrounded by the enemy? Hmmmm ? Would you...

A) Go all out (getting you into an international incident that everybody at home has to answer for?)

B) Espionage Ahmadenijad (That would work... /sarcasm)

C) Clue Ahmadenijad on what we will be doing to Tehran soon (something like Diane Sawyer waving her hands in the air as though they were battle planes going in for some sort of attack...)

or

D) Remain repsectfull to their culture and leadership until you get out of that nation and come back home to the U.S. of A. (and get called a wh*** by Michael Savage...)

I am glad that Dianne Sawyer chose option D --- Which one would Michael Savage of chosen ?!?!?

Obama, if Savage got any where near Pres. Tom, he would clean his clock, as I would do, also.

Answer A. Thank you jeff. Your honesty to stick up for your personal hero and presume he is that brave is the obvious answer, which is why I made that option A. Toodle-oo.

Obama, how long have you been on the "no fly" list?

Has Woogy drowned himself yet? Darn. Lemme know, 'kay?

Redwolf style:
Obama, if Savage got any where near Pres. Tom, he would clean his clock, as I would do, also.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 10:08 PM

Talking tough on an Internet page, typical coward action.

Cleaning a person's clock requires what? You are on a page a--hole, not in a bar room with your gang at your back. Clock cleaning in the virtual world requires some brains. That leaves you out cold in the corner you loser!

Saying what you would do as in "clean his clock" is not the same as putting your money where you mouth is. Tough talk. All talk!

You are a dumb a--hole Redwolf and you have yet to clean any clocks on this page, ever!

Common line from Redwolf:

Obama, how long have you been on the "no fly" list?

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 10:35 PM

COWARD Watch, Diane Sawyer was just in Iran hangin' out with the enemy. She actually kissed his feet! You won't here that in the mainstream media, though. I didn't hear the name he called sawyer, I am drawing a blank on what the "double-u" word would be, feel free to call me stupid, since it seems to be your favorite word.

Posted by: jeff at February 21, 2007 8:22 PM

Iran is the enemy? I don't recall Iran attacking this nation genius. It was 15 Saudi nationals. You know as in Saudi Arabia the House of Saud as in the nation of the royal family that has both George W and George H as their pet monkeys?

Iran is a Shiite nation. The Baathist nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, and Qatar are all dictatorships who finance the madrassa schools who convert young Muslim men into soldiers for Al Qaeda.

Iran has the planets only super power invading a nation at its door step. Iran knows Bush and Cheney lied to get congress to go along with invading Iraq. They have good reason to fear the US taking over a nation at it's border.

Calling Iran our enemy is total bullsh-t. They are a nation being pinched by the oil rich states of the region who are all ran by Baathist regimes the US backs.

You a Fox Noise propaganda educated a--hole that has no clue what you are talking about.

Iran is not our enemy. Last I checked it was Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Perle who picked that dumb ass Bush to be president so they could bankrupt this nation in never ending war that lines the pockets of this planets richest billionaires.

They wipe their ass with our constitution and send America's finest off to die for oil, power and wealth.

You are the f---ing enemy Redwolf/Jeff. A true traitor to this nation. You and J$ with his Fox Noise deffense page.

You are both disgustingly ignorant a--holes who obviously never had an education on the history of this nation or anything else for that matter.

What causes both of you to turn you back on the value of the constitution is one thing - COWARDICE!

You both are democracy hating cowards!