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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    February 19, 2007
    SPECIAL ALERT: Has the time come to shut down Olbermann Watch?

    ***SPECIAL ALERT***

    With the recent announcement that NBC Universal has signed Keith Olbermann to a new multi-million dollar, multi-year contract, the time has come to consider whether Olbermann Watch continues to serve a valuable role as a watchdog site. We may have to consider that as the most prominent and most important Keith Olbermann web site in the world, we have actually helped Keith by raising awareness of Countdown and keeping Keith's name in the public eye.

    Keith's current contract expires on March 1, 2007.

    I would ask all clear-thinking readers to consider the matter between now and then and take a moment to register your opinion in the new OlbermannWatch Poll posted in the right rail. During this difficult time, I would ask that the OlbyLoons please refrain from commenting on this post or spoofing the polling data so we can come to an accurate understanding of the views of our loyal supporters.

    Answer to previous OlbermannWatch Poll: How much is Keith Olbermann worth to MSNBC?

    7,322 answers have been submitted.

    $4 million a year sounds about right 16% (1218 votes)
    $1 million a year, his current contract, was fair 2% (177 votes)
    Keith is priceless, give him whatever he wants 51% (3769 votes)
    Keith is worthless, fire him 29% (2158 votes)

    The correct answer is Keith is worthless and should have been fired.


    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (376) | | View blog reactions

    376 Comments

    No! No! No! Don't even think of closing this site.

    I agree, that this site has created an online buzz that may have backhandedly promoted such a hack of a news show. But you do perform a service by critiquing a show's bias and lies so I don't have to watch. Either way Olbermann should have been fired! He's on track to bring MSNBC the way of Air America. Was there ever an Air America watch?

    I enjoy your insight and detailed criticism on this site, as it proves over and over how pathetic Keith Olbermann really is, but I understand the idea of leaving the little brat to wallow in his corner sucking his thumb. Why give him the attention he craves?

    It should likewise be noted that Olbermann's show is also on track to transform MSNBC into a de facto propaganda organ for MoveOn.org and other George Soros-funded groups and/or Soros operatives. Certainly Keith's one-sided "Hour of Spin" (as this site so daintily refers to "Countdown") has long become the video equivalent of the old Soviet newspaper "Pravda."

    This site is the mechanism for Keith's daily bitchslap... and God knows he needs one. Plus, he's on the verge of self-destructing (again). I'd hang around for the pending implosion.

    I suppose I should explain my vote better, as Matt and Benson have.

    KO will implode at some point. This blog is my guilty pleasure. For me, its not about politics or policy opinions are the various wars engulfing the planet. This guy is like every prick you've had to deal with since summer camp. I delight in the schadenfreude this site offers on the inside baseball of modern corporate television. This is Web 2.0's version of Studio 60...only without the self absorbed, blowhard, theasuarus dialog.

    Its only a matter of time until KO ticks off Abrams or gets a little mud on Brian Williams. We need this outlet. What's the point of mocking others if we can't share it with like minded people? That's just called life, which is why television was invented anyway.

    If anything, imagine a day when KO needs to embrace you since his star has burned up so dramatically. Remember, he's back in business with ESPN. The guy has no pride, only ego. Don't close this book before the ending is written.

    Please!


    The RWer's of the world :

    Please explain the $10 billion of our tax money lost in Iraq.
    Then explain why the republican congress never even investigated.

    Then come back and tell us how you're going to win the 08' election .

    Great thanks.

    NO NO NO!

    If anything move to a forum type setup, or an RSS import setup gathering 2.0 Olby goodness into a mash-up. Or perhaps a Digg or Newsvine type of site with user input.

    With Olbermann's head so big now, I am sure the future holds a treasure trove of Olbermann misquotes, distortions, lies and possible catastrophic meltdown.

    The correct answer is Keith is worthless and should have been fired.

    Posted by RCox at February 19, 2007 11:12 AM

    Even though that's not what the votes said.

    R Cox is an idiot.
    Talk about prejudicial and biased.

    First you morons were sniping that Keith's contract won't be renewed.

    Then after it was, you sniped he didn't get what he wanted.

    Now after the votes are tallied you get :

    Keith is priceless, give him whatever he wants 51% (3769 votes)

    Keith is walking all over you Olbyhaters, and you are looking sillier every single day !

    No, someone needs to document his hard tilt to the extreme left on a daily basis.

    No, someone needs to document his hard tilt to the extreme left on a daily basis.

    Posted by: Not a KO fan anymore at February 19, 2007 12:13 PM

    TRANSLATION: hard tilt to the left:
    Stating what's exactly happening in the USA and world.

    You Olby haters can't change reality, so you diss Keith.
    Smart !

    Working so well too! ( with his new contract !)

    ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ah ah ha ha ha h ah ah ha ha ha h

    This site is indicative of the downfall of George W. Bush and the Republicans in general.

    The purpose of OW is supposed to be the blasting of Keith Olbermann, but it's having the direct opposite effect.

    It's highlighting just how bad the republicans have failed for the last 6 years, and now they and their minions on here are taking their lumps.

    Thanks for providing us an outlet for this service.

    Keith is priceless, give him whatever he wants 51% (3769 votes)

    nuff said !

    KO will NEVER beat any newscaster on Fox news, not even Neil Cavuto, and his show is on at 4pm , when everyone is still at work, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

    I find it very amusing (and ironic) that there are probably more Olbyperv lovers (people that can't think for themselves) that constantly post crap and moniter this site than Olbyperv despisers. I like O'Reilly, but, I don't ever feel the need to go to the hate sites that are out there against him to defend him, he doesn't need defending. Why do Olbyperv groupies feel the need to defend that orange faced lunatic? Please don't close the site! I can't stand to watch his comedy show, this site allows me to know what he is up to w/out having to watch!

    Maybe now is the time to discuss if "Countdown" is a Keith Olbermann-driven show or a producer/MSNBC-driven one.

    Does Keith line up the guests and/or analysts? My guess is he doesn't make a single phone call (most show anchors don't do this).

    Does Keith set the rundown of stories? My guess is he never sits in a morning editorial meeting (most show anchors don't arrive 10-12 hours before air).

    Does Keith select video for the stories? My guess is he spends very little time in editing booths (most anchors leave this work for writers and producers).

    Does Keith have final editorial control of the over-the-air content? Does Keith have a producer credit (Senior, Executive, or otherwise) for the show?

    Those questions would be worth researching.

    Another thing has been brought up before. Some want a serious discussion of the SHOW, while others just want to whine, bitch, swear, name-call, etc, which makes this less of a 'blog', and more of a high school lockerroom gone horribly bad.

    Also, things veer off into MSNBC/NBC/Imus/Matthews, etc-watch way too often.

    So what's it gonna be?

    "I would ask that the OlbyLoons please refrain from commenting on this post..."

    Its nice to see the tolerant, open-minded liberals respecting the rules.

    As a former life long liberal, can I ask? Why would a person opening rout for a foreign enemy to defeat their own country just because the President is of a different political party.

    There was even one genius on the weekend talk shows that said, “ The Surge is failing in Iraq”!

    1.The surge to my knowledge hasn’t even started.
    2.If the increase in troops does quail the violence will CNN then concentrate on a single act of bombing ? Will they report a decrease in violence

    Another question I don’t understand. If a person takes a car with a bomb in it…blows up innocent woman and children , whose fault is it? Who is the real evil in the act?

    a.The President
    b.The innocent woman and children
    c.The bomber

    Seems pretty easy to me.

    Don’t kid yourself if this was a democratic war we would see all the Hollywood celebrities telling us how we should help spread democracy. They would be holding concerts for Iraq and so on and so on.

    It is a disgrace that people put their political party and the advantage they might gain over what’s good for their own country.

    After having placed 100’s of votes in my lifetime for Dems I WILL NEVER NEVER DO IT AGAIN.

    Let the liberals eat pig with their Muslim friends. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Kudos Brick!

    Brick couldn't answer my question.
    I guess he's giving the lost $10 billion a pass, just like his GOP Congress did.

    THAT'S WHY YOU MORONS WHERE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

    GREAT THANKS.

    "They give a KO a contract at a time NBC is now struggling to stay in front of ABC. They are stupid."

    Brick thinks he's smarter than NBC.

    Now that's a hoot !

    Think Bush is still doing a good job , Brick?
    How bout that War in Iraq?
    A glorious success too , right?

    Brick's postings always sound like someone hit him upside the head.

    The reason those polls turn out the way they do is that the Olbyloons hit them hundreds of times, repeatedly to get them to skew the way they want them to. That's how desperate they are to spin a favorable impression of the very unfavorable Keith Olbermann. That's how desperate they are period!

    And hell no, Owatch needs to stay right here.

    "I can answer that for you Jeff. Simply put, they are liberals. They have zero personal lives working in meaningless jobs"

    posted by "upside the head" brick

    Meaningless jobs ie, doctors, lawyers, teachers, blue collar workers etc.

    Proving Brick's inane posts wrong is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    (PS I'm an engineer.Another meaningless job !)

    Olbermann is allegedly "Managing Editor" for the program. At one time he used to boast he wrote as much as 95% of the program. how much he still writes is up for debate, but it's clear he controls the show's rundown despite his protests to the contrary. When it doubt, blame your producers for "forcing" you to do stories on air, but then brag off air about how it's your show and you decide what gets on in interviews. That's the Real Keith Olbermann in action.

    "Upside the head with a brick" Brick:

    I'm a nurse and a proud liberal.
    Is my job meaningless too ?

    You seem to really not know what the hell you are talking about nor what is occurring in this country right now.

    Get off this site and bone up, brick.

    PS:

    I love Keith. He provides a valuable service. He says what many Americans are thinking but the MSM is afraid to say it.

    Keep up the good work, KO.

    Kisses xxxxxxxxxxx

    Is today April 1st?

    The reason the rest of the media won't say it is because it's not the truth and Olbermann is as loony as his fans are. Even Olbermann knows his show panders to the lowest, leftest common demoninator. Why do you think he ties so hard in interviews to insist he's not biased? Why do you think he was telling the Washington Post that he won't be doing any of his Howard Beale style rants on-air for NBC News? It's an ACT you idiots.

    Brandon, I have a different take on the poll results. R Cox always phrases his answer as the poll RESULTS are, the CORRECT answer is.

    He seems to be making an editorial comment in a pithy way and taking a little sarcastic jab at the oh so superior, in their own minds, pseudo intellectuals. For example, check out this:

    "The correct answer is Keith is worthless and should have been fired.

    Posted by RCox at February 19, 2007 11:12 AM

    Even though that's not what the votes said.

    R Cox is an idiot.
    Talk about prejudicial and biased.

    Posted by: a realist at February 19, 2007 12:08 PM"

    Only a true believer in his and KO's logic and tactics could write such foolishness.

    R. Cox an idoit?

    Au contraire. A realist condemns himself as an idiot with his own words.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    So grammie... pull the plug on the site or not? Its what the thread is for.

    It is all an act with Keith. And if he believes for one minute that commetnaries on NBC will drive viewers to his show, he's sadly mistaken. Can you imagine seeing the thoughtful, calm Olbermann on NBC then tuning in and seeing the raving, ranting lunatic KO with his dramatic camera spins and spitting in the camera on Countdown? Sounds to me like that was some contract concession they threw in to appease KO in lieu of bigger bucks.

    Brandon-

    If what you say is true about Keith having bragged about oversight, or being an EP, that can explain how/why the show may be similar no matter who's hosting.

    Brick-

    I don't see the show very often these days (used to see it alot more years back but my work schedule changed drastically so I see the write-ups and 'discourse' more often than seeing the show itself). Hence the reason I was asked the questions I did.

    No doubt the "special comments" are hand-crafted. The lead-ins/story tags are most assuredly hand-written as well. I guess I was raising the question of supporting sound bites, guests, etc as HIS doing as opposed to the producers.

    I have some previous contact with the TV news biz and back in the day the shows/newscasts were producer driven, with the anchor writing leads and some voice-overs (editorials weren't done), after talking with producers about what's going on in a general sense.

    If "Countdown" is Keith's baby from conception to birth, the talk has a better chance of sitcking. If not, then he may not be getting a fair shake.

    My guess it's somewhere in between.

    I appreciate the civilized responses to my post.

    Selfishly, I would like to see the site continue. The writing is the most witty stuff you'll read on any media watchdog site.

    Olbermann has found his niche: Liberals with a thirst for Bush bashing on a nightly basis. However, if he wants to truly challenge someone like O'Reilly (who actually has debate and diversity on his show, which makes for much more compelling television), he'll need to stop having the same 6-7 guests on every week (Alter, Musto, Milbank, Wolffe, Dean, etc.) or else he'll continue to finish a very distant second, third or fourth every evening. Most importantly for NBC, Olbermann is doing massive harm to the credibility of NBC News by displaying such a blatant bias and propensity to spike stories that don't fit the show's format, which is supposed to be a news program.

    Keep up the good work, Robert.

    Benson, I forgot to include my vote.

    Keep it, by all means. A just world demands the KOs be exposed for what they are. And R Cox and J$ do such a superb job.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    TYpical Liberal POST exposed:

    Question:
    "Has the time come to shut down Olbermann Watch?"

    Liberal Answer:
    Please explain the $10 billion of our tax money lost in Iraq.
    Then explain why the republican congress never even investigated. (12:06)

    That is one reason I won't miss the site if it closes. Some of these defenders have the IQ of a gremlin shark. If Olbermanwatch is shut down, I wonder what "recipe website" or "car repair" we could find the above non relevant liberal post on? They are whcked!

    As a moderate-liberal, it's not just the idealogy for me that needs to be exposed, it's Keith's own hypocrycy. I detest what his show has become and what an insult it is to real journalism. Olbermannwatch provides that forum to document it all, even if his fans totally hijack the threads with their off-topic rants and raves.

    Let's not shut this site down until Brick gets his own show on cable (and a spell-checker).

    Then we can all migrate to www.brick'sanignoranta--hole.com!!!

    Keep the site open I love reading the musings of the rightwingers on their last throes of agony. You RW's know you are going the way of the dinosaur and it is funny as hell watching you deny the evolution of the American people.

    KEEP ON GOIN!!! Someone's gotta hold this creep accountable. Your's is the first site I check out every day. I just wish you had time to do a site on his fellow MSLSD'er Chris "hey someone get me a f#@!in napkin" Matthews. Keep up the GREAT work!

    Keep this site open. Olbermann's Far-Left propaganda must be continued to be exposed. He denies his political leaning like the coward he is. If he was honest and say, I'm a radical Leftists,I want a US defeat in Iraq and I hate Bush, I would respect him and stop posting.

    The white trash loser Buffalo will keep poasting, because he lives off food stamps!

    "Upside the head with a brick", Brick is one delusional joker.

    "The mission in Iraq? Well sh-t, the Iraqi's didn't roll over. Well hell. Whatchagonna do liberal. Quit? It's for sure what liberals are doing in this country have made the mission in Iraq tougher. No doubt. It's prolonged it and the deaths of soldiers is laid squarelly on their shoulders. Why would France, Germany, Russia or China support us when they see liberal fags like you whining and calling our president a liar."

    First of all, your president has been proven to be a liar. Time and time again.So you'd like us to pretend it's not true.
    Sorry !

    Next you blame the poor postwar planning on the Iraqis not "rolling over". Then you blame the LIBERALS for bushco botching this war.
    Funny !

    It's everyones fault except the architects of this war.
    The American people have seen thru your bullsh-t and lies and that's why they OVERWHELMINGLY want us the hell out of Iraq,AS DO THE IRAQIS.

    Nowhere do you talk about the reality of the mission in iraq,where our troops are in the middle of the crossfire of a civil war.

    Of course you don't !

    Brickhead is a delusional pathetic soul,like one of those southern rebel flag wavers still fighting the US Civil War.

    George Bush will go down in history as making the worst foreign policy blunder in our nation's history, and Brick is too stupid to realize it.

    The Decider,
    Why are you so angry? Life is too short to be upset. Cheer up!

    Keep the site up. The site has not helped Keith's ratings. What has help Keith's ratings is left wing bloggers that have turned their fellow hate mongers on to Keith's delusional ranting. Keith's ratings are still very low. It doesn't matter to NBC that his rating are low or else they would have replaced him with a conservative much like CNN headline news has done with Glenn Beck. If NBC were just about ratings, they would put a strong conservative voice up against O'Reilly. The socialist in charge of NBC news is content with treading water in the ratings game as long as he gets to pump out left wing propaganda.

    The factor,
    Why are Olby fans so angry?

    I am angry because I hate Bush! I hate him! I hate him so much I'm glad Americans are be killed because it helps my cause!

    This site is as pointless as any on the internet.

    Bush's liberal lawyer (that he just fired) is the reason for all of his poor decision making. If he would have used a MOAB or 2, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

    Brick 's support of Bush fits perfectly.

    Brick is the Forest Gump of this site:
    "Stupid is as stupid does !"

    Don't close down the site - I depend/rely on you to update me from the night before. I refuse to turn my TV to A-Mess-NBC because I don't want my clicking on to count in any ratings!!! You've already provided a good awareness of just what a true LUNATIC Olbermahn is - Just look at former Military Analyst, Ken Allard, severing ties with NBC and citing Olbergutless as one factor.

    Jeff's another brain surgeon.

    Now he blames bush's failures on HIS LAWYER!

    How funny is that !

    Harry Truman, a real leader who rooted out war profiteerers unlike Bush ( who enables them), had a sign on his desk that read:" The Buck Stops Here"

    Under this president, the buck stops over there...no..over here...no..with his lawyer...no...with the ...

    Decider,
    Do you have any other hobby than Bush obsession?

    Hey Decider,
    This site is Olbermann watch. You want to bash Bush, go to Bush watch!

    No, actually I blame her, Turbin Derbin, Ted (who's osama bin bama?)Kennedy, Upchuck Schumer, Dingy Harry Reid, Disgrace Murtha, should I go on?

    NEVER CLOSE THIS SITE!!

    I thought I was alone in my thoughts about KO until I'll found the blog....this is one of my favorite sites, well done!!

    I am angry because I hate Bush! I hate him! I hate him so much I'm glad Americans are be killed because it helps my cause!

    Posted by: The Decider at February 19, 2007 2:36 PM

    steal our names, you get punked !
    I TOLD YOU WERE NOT TAKING YOUR sh-t ANY LONGER.

    I hadn't planned on thinking about Sean Hannity for as long as I could avoid it, but I could swear I just heard his voice in the background saying, as the "last word" (cutting off whatever sensible point Alan Colmes was making), "Well the world is certainly better off without Saddam Hussein."

    I'm going to disagree with him here, because there are hundreds of thousands of greiving people, maimed people, traumatized people, terrorized people, and just general misery to point to the fact that the world is a not a better place since Saddam was removed from power, and then, life.

    I get that a lot from the Iraq blogs I follow. Iraqis that went along with it all, at first optimistically, now long for the "good old days". Thousands and thousands and thousands of American and Coalition children go to bed crying for mommies and daddies who either may not or won't ever return. How many children suffering in Iraq, how many elderly people suffering and grieving all over the face of the earth, all because Sean Hannity and his ilk played upon everybody's fears and beat the war drum to kiss the asses of war profiteers like Bush and Cheney in the face of WMD "intelligence" that smart people knew all along was flawed and bogus?

    You played a big part in this, Sean, you, personally. You can claim this war as your own, right along with the aforementioned warmongers. Just because it's been good for your pocketbook doesn't mean it's been good for the world. :(

    Besides being a woman and a Democrat, well read on...


    HANNITY: But first, the clock is ticking. The San Francisco Speaker Nancy Pelosi took office today as Democrats started pushing their agenda without Republicans being allowed to voice their dissent. Now, among the things that Pelosi is trying to push through is a PAYGO legislation that would force Congress to adopt budget cuts or, you guessed it, tax increases to cover any new spending.

    And there's a raise of the federal minimum wage which, of course, would threaten business and business owners across the country. And she wants to expand federal funding of stem cell research, in a clear bow to the Michael J. Fox wing of her party.

    OH GOD!!!

    Hide the Children, Speaker Pelosi is Bowing to the "Michael J. Fox" wing of the party. I'm not exactly sure what he means by that. Is Pelosi bowing to the wing of the Democratic party that wants to heal disabled people or those with terminal illnesses?

    The Bitch.

    I cannot believe the PAYGO system, can you imagine a Speaker of the house who is against wild spending and for a realistic way of keeping our tax dollars from being wasted and don't even get me started on the minimum wage.

    Hey Poor people, why don't you get a job...or three! You should be be thanking the Republicans who have kept the federal minimum wage at the level it's at currently for almost a decade. So what if the cost of living has gone up since then? So what if two working full time adults living in the same home are under the poverty level. You've got boot straps, you need to pull yourselves up by them! That's why they were made.

    That San Francisco Liberal Nancy Pelosi is dangerous!

    (End sarcasm)

    After watching the clip I think my IQ dropped 20 points.

    So responsible spending, funding research to fight devastating illnesses, and a pay raise for the hardest working people in America is all of a sudden a bad thing?

    Since when were "Conservatives" like Sean against Fiscal responsibility?

    After he finished crying about the fact that Nancy Pelosi refuses to give Republicans the minority rights they denied the Democrats all these years (that's what happens when you set precedent...you have to live with it), Hannity et. al "debated" the outrage surrounding Congressman Keith Ellison's decision to take his oath of office on a Quran owned by Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps they should re-read the Book they consider to be the cornerstone of our government, and they might come across this choice advice from Jesus Christ:

    From Matthew 5:34-37

    (Jesus said,)"34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

    Knowing that, why on earth would they even be advocating oath-taking at all? If this Bible were so important to them, why aren't they venting outrage about the evils of oath-taking, and denouncing its use in our Congress and courtrooms? If they read the entire chapter of Matthew 5, they would also find out that "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." and "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." and "But I tell you: Love your enemies." It goes on and on. See for yourself here:

    Matthew 5.

    Last night, in the distant background, I could hear Sean Hannity whining, "Liberals want to shut me up!" He claims that liberals listen to everything he says, waiting for him to say "that one wrong thing" and then they'll ignore all of the good things he said since 1987 or whatever and pounce on that one wrong thing, he claims.

    For the record, nobody is trying to shut you up, Sean. People just wish you'd start saying sensible things and quit being a Muppet for the RNC. You say that "one wrong thing" during nearly every broadcast, but unlike most right-wing blow-hards whose audience and influence is limited to their own dinner table or the break-room, you are able to cause thousands of people to write letters to their senators in support of things that harm our country. I wish I had a dollar for everytime you said, "Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction" as you shaped public opinion to support an invasion on a country that never harmed us. You pander and appeal to the naïvest segment of our society, uninformed and probably well-meaning religious right-wingers who never read the whole Bible and get their news only from Faux. You feed into their fear and make it easy for guys like KKKarl Rove to push their corporate, warmongering agenda on our seemingly helpless nation and, indeed, on the whole world.

    Remember the time you paraded Billy Graham's son on your show to bring a Biblical perspective to support for the impending invasion on Iraq? He told a "David & Goliath" story and you and he spun it to sound as if the United States was little David and Iraq was the giant Goliath, when any sensible person realizes that the roles are actually the opposite of what you were implying. I'm willing to bet money that Billy Graham, Jr. feels about that H&C appearance the same way Colin Powell feels about his UN Speech: ashamed. But likely you managed to sway thousands of Christians into supporting the invasion. And in case you missed it in the Bible, Goliath got his head cut off with his own sword.

    It's not the liberals I know that want you to shut up, they generally don't watch your show or pay any attention to you. It's the Conservatives I know that wish you'd go away.

    When the co-chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children is found to have sent sexually graphic instant messages to an underage former House page, Sean Hannity complains that Democrats have "selective moral outrage" and spends more time berating Bill Clinton for his romantic liasons with the "19-year old child Monica Lewinsky", who was really 22, than he spends denouncing Mark Foley for being a pedophile. So upset is he about poor Monica that it doesn't seem to bother him that Dennis Hastert and other Republican leaders in the House looked the other way and covered up this scandal in a heinous attempt to keep control of a Congress that his driven this country to war, division, and deficit.

    People are starting to call the GOP the "Gathering of Pedophiles" and "Gang of Perverts". Do you remember the White House Call Boy Scandal that was quickly buried by the media in the first Bush administration? Pedophilia in Washington is nothing new, especially not in the RepubliKKKan party. If Hannity wants to continue to ally himself with a party that condones and conceals activities such as this, it is to his own discredit.

    Hopefully, true Conservatives will use this opportunity to discover the Libertarian Party, divest themselves of the GOP and bring about a new revolution, leaving the Group of Pervs to right-wing bone-heads who want to live in a State of Denial

    That's right, the guy who put Hal Turner on the air to make his bones & the guy who's fundraising for another Racist Senator Allen is now pimping cars for GM.

    Want a responce from GM, well you got it!


    Okay, you have our attention!

    Since the posting on your site about the Sean Hannity show, we have
    received hundreds of emails, phone calls, etc., with your opinions.

    To clarify, we didn’t hire Mr. Hannity as a spokesperson and he is not
    receiving compensation from GM for this promotion. What we are doing is
    running a promotion on his show where Mr. Hannity is featuring three of
    our newest products every week and listeners can register to win their
    choice of the three vehicles.

    As the head of Sales and Marketing for GM, my job is not to create
    political controversy but preferably to create interest in our
    world-class lineup of vehicles. Looks like we are doing a bit of both
    with this promotion.

    GM is the biggest advertiser in America and to tell our story we
    advertise across a tremendously wide array of media trying to connect
    with all Americans irrespective of ethnic, religious or political
    affiliations. We just want folks to experience our products.

    We want to reach you on the shows you listen to. Below is my email
    address. Please let me know the shows where you would like to hear or
    see our advertising - perhaps even a similar promotion to the one
    currently being run on Hannity. We may already be on many of the
    programs that you enjoy. If not, we will sure look at them. Also, if
    you are interested in hearing more about any of our new products or our
    business turnaround, we will be happy to address that as well.

    I appreciate your views and I welcome your suggestions.

    Mark LaNeve
    GM Vice President Sales and Marketing
    Phone number: (313) 665-1357
    email address: laneve@gm.com

    From this letter, I'm assuming Mr. LaNeve is working with Ed Shultz or Air America with a similar promotion.

    Right?

    Maybe you can give them a quick jingle and ask if they plan on working with progressive voices or are they let Hannity decide who the "Great Americans"are?

    Hannitized at the Allen event!

    Here's a copy of the flyer:

    Get Hannitized!
    Young Veterans for Allen
    Young Professionals for Allen
    invite you to join
    Sean Hannity
    and
    Senator George Allen
    on
    Friday
    September, 29th, 2006
    HOST Reception 6:00pm
    General Reception 6:30pm - 8:00pm
    400 North Capitol Street NW
    Washington, DC


    YEAH!!!!!! WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO

    ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?????


    Damn Skippy Evil Doers, yes, the same George Allen who left a decapitated Deers head in the mail box of someone he thought was black and was quite fond of saying "Nigger" back when it was still cool.


    Of course it was the same George Allen that called the Darkie "Macca"and quote "Welcome to America"!!! "cause, you know brown people (Myself included) aren't really Americans anyways and nothing drives that feeling home like being called a monkey.

    To clear up any confusion, yes it's SENATOR GEORGE ALLEN OF VIRGINIA who knew he was part Jewish and wouldn't comment on it until pressed...When I found out I was part Jewish my epiphany came; "That's why I have horns and control all of the money". I guess we're just a little different.

    Enough Snark, Senator George Allen obviously has a problem with racism like most elected Republicans do.

    Oh and here comes Sean Hannity to throw some money his way.

    The right has no standards, none. We attacked Biden for his remarks but the Conservatives just don't have the integrity to attack their own.

    The key to this recipe is to brown the meatballs before you add them to the simmering sauce.

    Number of Servings: 12
    Serving Size: 3/4 cup
    Ingredients
    Name Measure Weight
    crustless sturdy stale bread 2 oz ---
    lean ground turkey breast --- 1/2 lb
    egg 1 ---
    freshly grated Romano cheese 1/4 cup ---
    chopped fresh parsley 1/4 cup ---
    minced clove garlic 1 ---
    fresh ground black pepper 1/2 tsp ---
    extra-virgin olive oil 1 tbsp ---
    28-oz can diced tomatoes in juice 1 ---
    28-oz can crushed tomatoes 1 ---
    Preparation Instructions
    1. To make fresh bread crumbs, grate the bread on the large holes in a box grater. You should have about 1 cup.
    2. In a large bowl, lightly combine the turkey, bread crumbs, egg, cheese, parsley, garlic, and pepper. Let stand 10 minutes to moisten evenly. Shape the mixture into 12 meatballs.
    3. In a large nonstick saucepan or deep skillet, heat the oil. Cook the meatballs, turning as needed, until well-browned on all sides, 7-8 minutes. Transfer to a plate. Pour off all but 1 tsp of any oil remaining in the pan. Add the tomatoes and meatballs; bring to just below boiling. Reduce the heat to low; partially cover and simmer, stirring occasionally, until the meatballs are tender; at least 2 hours.
    4. With a slotted spoon, remove the meatballs to a large bowl. Crumble with a wooden spoon (or, when cool enough to handle, with your hands), then return to the sauce and heat through.
    Exchanges Per Serving


    1 Very Lean Meat
    2 Vegetable

    Nutrition Information


    Amount per serving
    Calories 88
    Calories from Fat 16
    Total Fat 2 g
    Saturated Fat 1 g
    Cholesetrol 31 mg
    Sodium 385 mg
    Total Carbohydrate 11 g
    Dietary Fiber 2 g
    Sugars 6 g
    Protein 8 g

    The Christian Assault on Freedom and Christianity PDF Print E-mail
    How does religion become a source of conflict? When faith becomes politicized, that's how. This is an older essay, which I just discovered was missing on the site. Unfortunately the problem I described continues today. ***************

    Our nation was settled by those who sought to be free to express their religious views. Freedom of speech serves as the mechanism to allow each person to express his moral opinion primarily, and his political opinion secondarily. Our rich American history, and our Revolution, are best understood by recognizing the effect of separating church from state.

    Since we do not have a state religion, we trust the political process to adjudicate a solution to opposing moral views. This process does not always work properly because one group or another can popularize an idea successfully that is in contrast to the rights of the individual.

    Many citizens find that the Homeland Security Act oversteps that magical line. In the context of a nation at war, protective measures are common in history. Under the shadow of these difficult times, some seek to advance a separate moral agenda. Our biggest current threat is not from terrorists who destroy life and property, but from conservative Christian moralists who are willing to destroy our democracy to expand their moral interpretation into our laws.

    Christianity, freedom and democracy all recognize the individual as paramount. In Christianity, it is the individual's relationship with God. In Freedom, it is the individual's relationship with others. In Democracy, it is the individual's relationship with the state. In all three cases, the individual is free to evolve and is only constrained by actions that have direct consequences on another person. Crime is defined as a public affair, as an action by one individual against another freedom-loving individual. We are innocent of this crime until found guilty by a jury of our peers. We are not guilty of a crime simply because we are accused of one, or because an action is personally sinful.

    Some Christians interpret our freedom to affect laws as a right and a self-imposed duty to enforce a moral opinion through those laws. This view is anathema to America and the concept of freedom. The genius of our political system is not to enforce any personal view of morality, but rather to control the effects of every individual's immorality.

    The tyranny that our nations founders feared was from those who, in claiming to be their brother's keeper, would assume the role as their brother's master. The conservative view against drinking, drugs, gays, and abortion all fall into this confused political interpretation. Moral certainty, as expressed politically, is neither Christian, nor American. Both freedom and Christianity requires that the individual be free to pursue his own path on his own timetable. Those who would rush others to reach a conclusion of faulty political wisdom and pure moral behavior have committed a crime against freedom-loving individuals.

    The consequences and the toll caused by these self-righteous Christian crusades on our society is clear. In the attempt to stop the perceived immoral actions of a few, we have all suffered. By creating a new definition of criminal behavior, we have become a population under siege and at war. We are imprisoned, attacked, hated, and pressured by a moral debate and interpretation that is against the rights of man and is tyrannical. It is a devil in sheep's clothing, and defines morality with the same moral certainty and superstition as the Taliban in Afghanistan. The desires to ban books, music, and movies (or install 10 Commandment monuments) are part of the same interpretation, just like the cleric commands against flying kites, owning dogs and wearing western clothing. These moral soldiers present themselves as serving God or Allah, when their actions serve neither God nor man. It is an unconscious lust for power, the hallmark of tyranny and evil. The prime commands of Christianity are to love one another (including your enemies,) and to not judge others. Many Christians violate both of these teachings in their political positions on various issues. They fail Christ and destroy democracy in the same action.

    Our society has been damaged by Prohibition, the war on drugs, anti-gay bashing, and the pressure against abortion. The individual's acts of drinking, getting high, terminating pregnancies and having sex are all private acts, however tragic, and have no ill effect on society at large. By criminalizing personal failings, we create a government of tyranny. A person is guilty for living, and not for the consequences of his actions toward others. There is a presumption of consequence and guilt, and those who defend the rights of the individual are then accused of being immoral or promoting destructive behaviors. Moral certainty elevates the perceived rights of society above the rights of the individual. Criminalizing personal behaviors sets a standard that no society can ever hope to meet. Even with harsh and difficult punishments against certain behaviors, the "immoral" behaviors continue. It is not possible to legislate morality. The best that can be achieved is a system that accommodates and discourages immorality. The war on drugs is a complete failure, and like Prohibition, the cure is far worse than the disease. Human sexuality is as old as time.

    Alternative lifestyles and the fear of unwanted pregnancies will not be checked by laws or courts. The just power of moral certainty lies in the culture of taboo. By seeking to create laws against the individual, these moralists weaken the morality they hope to spread, and squander public resources that could be better directed to the ill effects of immoral behaviors.

    The conservative moralist may mean well, but in casting stones against other's imperfections, he fails to recognize his own. The Bill of Rights is already a perfect moral political instrument. Thus, any expression of moral certainty is irresponsible, and destroys our democracy and our moral society. In being free to practice and preach the morality we choose, we must be willing to win converts without legal coercion. God does not need the help of the state. Those who would betray the Bill of Rights for religious reasons betray both God and country.

    his is by far my longest essay. I wrote it in 2003 when I was at mymac.com which is why it contains some unusual references to Apple Computer. It was penned with a conservative friend in mind, but little did I know how limited his view were. The "life is nasty, brutish and short" crowd should properly be called pessimist, not conservative. The word Utopia sends a chill up the spine of the pessimist. Amazingly, this person thinks of himself as a Christian, but there was little we could find common ground on even after much discussion. He taught me a lot about fear, his own. Looking back at the essay, my view of it has changed. I used to think I buried the lead, but now I think I did not. While it at times is a rant, I think starting from the Nature of Man was the best place to start. Perhaps today I would start from the Nature of God instead, and reframe the "interpretation of the unknown."

    The essay covers a lot of ground, including 5 suggestions for changing the Constitution, What I call The Contract For Mutual Responsibility. One of the points (a National Sales Tax) I have altered for a Dirt Tax instead. That idea can be read briefly on The Old Front Page. (I have much I have yet to write in detail.) The other thing left unexplained was HOW to get to Universal Health Care. I have figured out how to do that in the pamphlet "The Interest Mechanism," which is a set of legal changes at the State level.

    Being an idealist, I thought starting a conversation about the Constitution would be relatively easy. It turns out I was incorrect. People seem to want to change the Constitution for unimportant things, but not important things.

    I appreciate your taking the time to read it. I have often wanted to redraft it, but I think I will let it stand with its warts and all. I would end up adding so much that the original would no longer be recognizable. What voice does one use to talk to an optimist and a pessimist simultaneously, or an atheist and a believer simultaneously? That is what my next major essay will strive for. (Hindsight is always 20/20) Meantime, we are still in the desert following Moses. Welcome to From Slavery to Utopia. My mind is already there, but my body has yet to catch up. It can also be downloaded as a pdf HERE.

    *****


    FROM SLAVERY TO UTOPIA


    The Nature of Man

    Everyday we all sleep, everyday we all awake. Welcome to this day. Life is a trinity of the past, the present, and the future. While both great and terrible events may await us, everyday is greeted anew. Whether we live a life of routine, boredom, power, responsibility, frivolousness, crime, naivete, youth, struggle, illness or hate, before we step into the routine of our daily life, there is a vague general sense that what we want lies somewhere before us in the future. Yesterdays accomplishments are in the past, today is the work-in-progress for a realization that resides in the future.

    This trinity of time is bound up in Hope, and cuts across all social and economic classes It has no boundaries of religion or country or culture, it is beyond technology and mechanization and any point in societal development. Modern man and cave man, prisoner or free, young and old, Hope is both instinct and conscious choice. Even in depression, most individuals cannot fight the sense of Hope that envelopes our humanity and our lives. To be alive, is to Hope.

    Much has been written regarding the nature of man. Is he good or evil? Clearly he has the capacity to choose, and history is full of both inspirational and tragic tales of individuals who have made both choices. If the nature of man can be discerned, it is that he is full of Hope. But hopeful of what?

    The answer can only be Love and Peace. We awaken each day to a hopeful sense that we can both Love and Be Loved in a completeness and glory that we have never known before. Hope is not about organizing the physical world, defeating our competitors, or any type of measurable success. Hope is internal. It is a lust for more of that which feeds our spirit and comforts us. No matter how distorted ones politics, regardless of the rage in ones heart, beyond the ego, the id, and self-esteem, Love and Hope lie at the center of man's nature.

    Love and Hope also triggers the biological clock, which builds cities and societies, and motivates passions and culture and ideas. Hope is also the sense that everything we do is probably wrong, but somehow it will work out in the end. There is an undercurrent of reconciliation in Hope. A desire to forgive and forget others actions, and a desire that all our own actions will be forgiven and forgotten. If Life is a trinity of time, Hope is a break with the past. It is a revolution through progression. A repetition of everyday events, that somehow land us in a new world. A willful evolution.

    Utopia

    Wisdom tempers Hope. It is the reluctant understanding that not all things can or will be accomplished in our lifetime. Wisdom tells us things as they are is one of many historical conditions, despite our hope for something better. Many see a utopia as a dream, and history has shown little promise for utopian hopes. Utopias seem to exist in the faraway future of poems and the lazy histories of failure. Most people see utopias at odds with the very nature of man, when he is defined as either good or evil. Too many people see utopia as something they might gain in their death.

    While men are both good and evil, it is our nature of Love and Hope that defines our humanity. We all believe in a utopia, but not necessarily consciously. It is the belief in a utopia that gets us up in the morning, and with what we greet each new day. When man is defined as a vessel of Love and Hope, he can move through goodness and evilness easily. His actions are based on his wisdom and his strength, not on his nature. Utopia is not a world where everything is perfect, nor a world where every man is perfect. A utopia is a world where the Love and Hope for each individual can be realized on his own timetable, when he is ready. Utopia is not shared wealth, it is a shared consciousness that is progressively re-learned by each generation.

    American Democracy is a utopian ideal. It promises Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness through free enterprise and individual freedoms as protected by the Bill of Rights.

    Utopian ideals flow through all religions, but the practical implementation of a utopian society is anything but perfect. Oftentimes, the sword is used as a tool of enlightenment or to commence its inception. Peaceful utopian attempts are predicated by the congregation removing itself from the greater society, establishing a commune, and showing by example that man can have the courage to live anew. Both approaches attempt to achieve their utopias by exclusion. The former excludes non-followers, the later excludes themselves from non-followers.

    Wealth, money, and the control of property often focus as both the illness and the solution for a utopian minded reform. For America it is the right to private property, for communists it is a worker-controlled state, for smaller communes it is common property. In all cases, property or wealth is seen as the critical adjustment required to achieve a more perfect society. Even those who take a vow of poverty, like Buddhists and priests and nuns, find denying possession of material things as the sign of their enlightenment. These individuals actively pursue an utopian ideal, and their focus on Love and Hope begins with a denial for property.

    This is a strange juxtaposition. America is a great experiment and a beacon of hope in the world, but at the same time its legal structure guarantees and fosters the ownership that utopian idealists find most troubling: Private property.

    There has always been great concentrations of wealth in history, America is not unique. If America is a great utopian experiment, its greatness cannot be the free enterprise system, or the self-interest of entrepreneurs. America is great because it opens its arms to the everyday aspirations of humanity, to Love and to Hope. Since personal wealth is the first item rejected by utopian activists, American greatness must stem from our freedom to speak, to think, to communicate. Our willingness to reinvent ourselves is the source of our strength. Our inventiveness stems from having the ability and the time to pursue a myriad of interests. Lust for gold and self-adornment may generate pyramids, but mankind's greatest accomplishments are neither technological nor grand, they are simple and wise, and feed our spirit with Love and Hope. The quality of a society is best measured by the quality of its philosophy. America was built on the democratic ideals practiced thousands of years ago, and thrives from the growing maturity of that wisdom.

    Love and Hope are not political dogmas, intellectual choices, strategic positions or material goods. Love and Hope are emotions. They are our humanity. It is shared equally with the strong and frail, young and old, rich and poor, creative and ignorant, moral and immoral.
    Americans of today have a challenge left to us from the founders of the country, and by the other great leaders that followed them. In most cases, Americans have no blood link to these American ancestors. We are a nation of immigrants, attracted to these shores by the same yearnings of our humanity. It is our collective responsibility and duty to continue this brave experiment, to match the forces of hate and ignorance with the forces of wisdom and patience, to vigorously protect and seek the utopian ideal.
    The Lord's Prayer: Puzzle or Prescription?

    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil...

    The Lord's Prayer above states "Thy will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven." God obviously has control of both Heaven and Earth, so what do the words "Thy will be done, on Earth" describe? His will in Heaven must be perfection, so maybe perfection on Earth is the destiny of mankind as well. Perhaps this is the centerpiece of our Hope and our humanity. Contrary to conventional wisdom, perhaps the long stretch of mankind's miserable history actually reveals a utopian society in the making, a return to the Garden of Eden.

    Thousands of years ago, the masses were enslaved to build the Pyramids. Thousand of years after that, they built the Great Wall of China. Feudal times saw the growth of monarchies and peasant farmers. And we have only recently evolved to a mechanized society. Workers have had a comparatively easier life as time has passed. There have been conscious attempts to redistribute wealth, and bodies of laws and systems of government have emerged to provide nominal protections for the weak against the strong. Widespread education has provided more opportunities for everyone. Perhaps, in an ironic twist of fate, it is the fruit of knowledge that will return us to Eden, with Apple personal computer technology as the centerpiece of our modern renaissance.

    Mutual Responsibility

    So, what is next in our evolution towards an utopia? How does Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and private property square with the utopian notions of Hope, Love and systems of wealth?

    The slave-holding of the past has evolved, slavery has been progressively decentralized. Rather than the single Pharaoh enslaving a nation, or the multiple feudal kings holding serfs, in our nation, individuals owned slaves. The legal basis of slavery is part of our recent history. Modern law continues to act as a shield to protect the latest vestiges of slavery. Modern slavery is camouflaged by the cultural pride of self-reliance and the legal rights to private property.

    Workers create wealth, but have little control over the property or the process. Corporations have become the slave-holders of the modern age. Congress is comprised mainly of white male millionaires, the same group who controlled plantations 150 years ago, who value corporate relationships as the source of their wealth. Economic progress is often defined by the economy's ability to generate new millionaires. We have not moved very far along the continuum from slavery to utopia in thousands of years. The Twin Towers, and modern skyscrapers everywhere, can be seen as current day pyramids, built by the backs of modern world corporately-owned slaves.

    Utopia transcends the petty goal of ownership of property. Its goal is a shared consciousness of human values, where everyone has the opportunity to work at a fulfilling life. The point is not to agree about every issue, but to value the same concepts of justice, fair-play, duty and morality. That is the paradox of work and wealth. A utopia is not a place where work is not necessary, it is a place where work is fulfilling. Likewise wealth is not a utopia. Wealth may release one from the need to work, but the lack of struggle and fulfilling work robs the wealthy of both Hope and wisdom. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is more complex than the accumulation of wealth. This was understood years ago, it is less recognized today:

    "Our greatest happiness in life does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits." - Thomas Jefferson

    To create a utopian society, the goal of unchecked wealth must be muted, and work become a fulfilling mixture of duty and personal opportunity. All work has dignity, but the system should allow workers to grow personally and advance into new opportunities. Unchecked wealth requires a system where human labor must produce profitable returns. No other criteria is measured. Workers have only two choices, work as a machine to generate profits for someone else, or do the spiritual work they prefer, and sacrifice the pay. In a utopia, this burdensome choice is lessened. If poor people can make sacrifices for "just pursuits," then corporations can as well.

    The quest for private wealth causes and then perpetuates many social ills. Seldom do politicians seek out a solution to a problem based on its merits, rather, they represent the narrow interests of selfish constituents. Selfishness has few limits. All matter of resources will be expended to ensure the right to keep money, to ward off competition, and comparatively little to ensure that the social and cultural effect of a decision is wise. Where the Founding Fathers were broad thinkers, our representatives interests have becoming increasingly narrow.

    Corporate greed under the American model is a given because the current system requires and encourages corporations to make unchecked wealth their only goal. If wealth is the only goal in a society, then the pressure to maintain some form of slavery will inevitably continue. If the laws of society were to require and encourage justice, fair-play, and duty, then that is what the society will value most highly. Non-Profit corporations have a different goal than For-Profit corporations, but they function just as efficiently, and face the same logistical and organizational challenges. There has been no improvement in healthcare since it was converted to a for-profit model. Greed is not a substitute for fearless wisdom and Hope. Consider how our laws regarding equality have changed since the slaves were freed. Violent racism has subsided, but the greed that spawned it originally continues unabated. America has the momentum of utopian social goals, but every new generation must live up to the challenge of its responsibility.

    There are three groups in the world: freedom-lovers, slave-masters and worker-slaves. These groups can be both individuals or businesses, and usually any one entity is a combination of all three. Few of us are perfect, few of us are evil. Our current laws reflect the strain between two opposing goals: unchecked wealth and a society of justice. Mutual Responsibility provides a way out of this conflict.

    Historical Stalemate

    Legal evolution is slow because the worker-slaves are too busy working to focus or fight to change the system. Their position as worker-slaves highlights their youth and/or their inability to challenge the system.The seeds of revolt, ironically, are often planted by the wealthiest. Most revolutionaries come from the middle and upper-classes. They are the ones with the time resources and self-confidence and education to challenge the status quo. The slave-masters are convinced their actions are just because society requires the goods and services they produce, but their children often see a world of indulgence. The first generation uses the system to be successful, but some of the following generations try to change the world. Buddha was among the first to resist the life of luxury. The seeds of the Russian Revolution were planted by the bourgeois. The Rockefeller\'s, the Kennedy\'s, and Osama bin Laden are all from families of great wealth. The easy life of tennis, lounging by the pool, and polishing expensive autos was as boring 4000 years ago as it is today. The inner voice of Hope that we all share speaks louder to some than it does to others, but not all revolutionary utopians are peace-loving and wise.

    Despite our modern world and its preceding 4000 years of history, we are losing sight of our utopian vision. We now define ourselves based on numbers written on a piece of paper and filed in a drawer. If our bank balance shows $0 we are sad, if it shows $1,000,000 we are happy. When we go to a hospital, if we have the correct numbers written on the paper, all tests are given and special care and consideration to our ailments. If, however, we do not have the correct numbers written on a piece of paper, we are at best patched up and released. Future ailments, chronic problems, known but not immediate issues are ignored. The infrastructure to deliver healthcare waits ready and able, the investment in training and capital has all been made, but without the correct numbers on a sheet of paper, you do not get the best chance for a healthy and pleasant life. Without wealth, you are regarded as expendable, your pain less important, your demise less sorrowful. In the slow march toward utopia, is this really the best that modern man can accomplish?

    Free Enterprise

    Modern medicine is the result of thousands of years of knowledge, trial and error, and a multitude of experiments. Many approaches have been tried and abandoned over the course of time. Some mistakes are repeated, but revolutionary approaches have also changed the course of its practice.We all benefit when vigorous attention and high standards are applied to the art of medicine, and when we are all allowed access. Our economic life should be no different.

    The free enterprise theory that grips our country fails to address either the primary concerns of civilization or proscribe a healthful remedy for justice. In 1776, Adam Smith wrote, The Wealth of Nations, extolling the marketplace as a mediator of competing forces.The Founding Fathers set in motion a social revolution with the idea that all men are created equal. But the economic theory it was later paired with has been proven to be completely wrong. The marketplace is a slave market, and what has changed over history is the way a slave's labor is bought and sold. The alleged free hand of capitalism is a theory which parallels the healthful effect of bloodletting by use of leeches. In the 18th century, Charles Darwin died as a result of this practice, despite his insight to scientific evolution. Free enterprise is a bloodletting of our moral soul, and America stands in the place of Charles Darwin.

    Adam Smith stated:

    Among the savage nations of hunters and fishers, every individual who is able to work, is more or less employed in useful labour, and endeavours to provide, as well as he can, the necessaries and conveniences of life, for himself, or such of his family or tribe as are either too old, or too young, or too infirm to go a hunting and fishing. Such nations, however, are so miserably poor that, from mere want, they are frequently reduced, or, at least, think themselves reduced, to the necessity sometimes of directly destroying, and sometimes of abandoning their infants, their old people, and those afflicted with lingering diseases, to perish with hunger, or to be devoured by wild beasts.

    Among civilised and thriving nations, on the contrary, though a great number of people do not labour at all, many of whom consume the produce of ten times, frequently of a hundred times more labour than the greater part of those who work; yet the produce of the whole labour of the society is so great that all are often abundantly supplied, and a workman, even of the lowest and poorest order, if he is frugal and industrious, may enjoy a greater share of the necessaries and conveniences of life than it is possible for any savage to acquire.

    What we have seen in our brief history is the opposite of his characterization. We have generated a hundred-fold increase in provisions, and some consume the provisions of thousands, if not of millions. Yet we are increasingly \"abandoning ... infants, ... old people, and those afflicted with lingering diseases, to perish.\" The difference is that rather than abandoning people in the wild, we warehouse them in neighborhoods of poverty and blight, and let them slowly expire by the lonely glow of a television light, addiction, crime, ill health and pollution. The so-called savage nations were a more utopian community than ours. New medicines were discovered for the value of the cure, not for the profit. They lived with a respect for Hope and Love, and acted from a sense of communal duty. The Native American society was more balanced than ours, but they were annihilated by armed arrogant warriors of reason and claimed Christianity. A common defense regarding the engine of free enterprise is that a rising tide of material wealth floats all boats, but for those struggling without a vessel or a life jacket, it is sink or swim. We have created a new worldwide slave class, and it is grows in numbers every day. No one is wealthy enough to escape its grasp.

    Moral Virtues

    The first moral choice of the American founders was the genocide of the native inhabitants. Our civilised and thriving nation followed a pattern as old as history. Our drive for property would not be checked by any adversary. Like the Egyptian Pharaoh, we considered ourselves god-like and superior. We have now used technology to cast a global shadow of slavery and self-adoration. As nations emulate the American economic success, they are bound to emulate our errors, too.

    If mankind is on the long road towards utopia, and democracy provides the social framework for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, then changes need to be made to the free enterprise model to further advance our Hope. Since Hope is a shared consciousness, we all know the elements of utopian society. What are the goals of our willful evolution?

    Since mankind cannot accomplish radical change without lethal force, another step toward utopia must be based on things which can be accomplished peacefully and which answer the most important of our basic needs. These things are two, both physical and spiritual: food and health, education and worship. Of course, in exchange for these gifts from society, the individual must work. In work, each must willingly provide these same gifts to others in society that he also accepts. The solution is a system of Mutual Responsibility regarding our most basic needs, and, it builds on our social experience in building government and worship communities.

    The Four Cornerstones

    America has all the cornerstones in place for advancing our utopian beginning. Our nation is abundant in its food supply, we have a network of quality medical care, research and teaching facilities, we have public education through high school and a myriad of colleges and universities, and a body of law that vigorously protects ones freedom to worship. The only thing that halts the progression to a more utopian society is the free enterprise model.


    The Modern Society and our Agrarian Beginning

    Adam Smith described a system where some work little and receive a lot, while others work a lot and receive little. It did not take into account the plight of the slaves, accept perhaps as property, and is a model based on an agrarian society. Its primary analysis was an explanation of how commerce would prosper more effectively without a king as the primary arbitrator and hoarder of wealth. The king controlled everything, and claimed ownership to every item, even every apple on every apple tree. We have reached the same point today, except this time we are a modern society and the corporations have assumed the role of the king. Copyright law and the litigious nature of our society shows how aggressive we have become to claim an equally perpetual ownership.

    As the small farm agrarian nation has receded, the federal government has driven an expansion of power in our private lives. The right to vote, to due process, and a great body of law have all served to both empower more people as well as enforce limits of individual power. With the rights that the government conferred, it also has grown in power. For every right it expanded, it has assumed the power to regulate. So as we as citizens have grown more accustomed to more power, we have also grown accustomed to a stronger do-all federal government, capable of both granting favor or imposing restrictions, based upon your point of view.

    Industrial society has made our interdependency stronger, which in itself has become a source of power. Corporations lobby and drive our laws and priorities based on their self-interest. The plight of the worker and society in general is left as an afterthought. All legislative battles are between large corporations and the forces of the people at large, usually in the form of labor, smaller businesses or a specific industry, and the forces of the government interests.

    In an agrarian society there was no national grid of power, transportation, communication, food, health care, banking, insurance, entertainment, news or distribution. In today's society, national enterprises are becoming more and more the norm. America is not homogenous politically, but it is culturally and economically. The power of the individual industries and companies have become equal to or greater than the power of the federal government.

    Politically we have been long divided. Not simply democrats versus republicans, but city versus country, employees versus employers, industry versus conservationists, franchised versus disenfranchised. These oppositions are not singularly by chance, the free enterprise system perpetuates it. It is a "check and balances" that the founders envisioned. In an agrarian society, their vision and fear was the dominance of one state or a group of states over another region. The Civil War is a testament that their plan failed.

    Slavery was defeated in favor of the social utopian ideals as stated in our founding documents: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The free enterprise system was unable to arrive at a just solution then, and it is unable to arrive at a just solution now. Self-interest is not a utopian ideal. While its existence must be accommodated in a political solution, our economic ideals should be the same as our social ideals: utopian. For our social life we have the Bill of Rights. For our economic life we need a Bill of Mutual Responsibility. Relying on the alleged balancing powers of free enterprise, rather than articulated utopian principals, is what has perpetuated our economic divisions. For us to be effective, we need to break our vested interests from a cycle of wasteful priorities. The free enterprise system needs to be replaced by one of Mutual Responsibility.

    Too Much Responsibility

    At some point, and some would argue it was long ago, the federal government will be doing more things than it can do well. The war on terror aggravates this situation. Likewise the states, lacking the resources of the federal government, are under-powered in this new nationally homogenous industrial society. With the rise of security concerns, two million citizens incarcerated, and a legal process that serves as an aggressive corporate weapon, we are growing perilously close to losing the stability of the middle class. Much of the activity of our government serves the interests and the competitive nature of corporations. Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex, and his plea was ignored. A government of the people, by the people, for the people shall may well perish from the earth if the power of the modern day slave-holders continues unchecked.

    Politically there are three main groups at play: corporations, labor and government. The political parties, for the most part, serve either labor or the corporations. The people have a vote, but within this framework it is diluted by those with greater resources. Since the political parties serve those with the resources to support them, the parties have come to resemble advocates for either the "Labor Corporation" or the "Industry Corporation." It is a battle between two narrow self-interests that leaves many Americans unrepresented.

    Our social utopian ideal of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness can been seen as under attack by the free enterprise model. Self-government is being defined and executed on a national corporate scale. There is no local control, individual rights or freedom, independence of action or liberty. As we have exited our agrarian society, we find ourselves controlled by an industrialized nationalized cultural and political power. It is an Orwellian system. Our destructive habits have more power than the players engaged in it. By "working the system" corporations are empowered to exclude those without resources from enjoying self-government, but they themselves are helpless to change the system. Many representatives leave Washington because they cannot bear to be a part of the system. For the wealthy, philanthropy is the only way to correct the system.

    The George Orwell novel 1984 was not about Big Brother deciding everything, it was about thought control and Doublethink. It was not enough that people live as slaves, it was required that they actually believe their slavery to be the best situation possible. It was death to a utopian vision for allegedly practical reasons. Specifically, that we should serve the model, rather than the vision. In this sense, we have all becomes slaves to free enterprise. This resulting form of slavery will be more complex to stop than by a war with muskets. We need to replace our entire legal infrastructure.

    Back to the Beginning

    Any new utopian-inspired formula must also begin at the federal level, for it is there where all our wisdom, rights and freedom resides. But if checks and balances no longer work, then what will? The answer to motivated self-interest is mandated Mutual Responsibility. Self-interest, as the founders believed, is a power that can be harnessed. Voluntary duty to self-governence, which augured no critical consequence in agrarian times, needs to be mandatory in an industrialized nationalized society where resources are concentrated. There are many examples of mandated Mutual Responsibility that the government currently imposes, for example, pollution control and health codes. Free enterprise has no element of citizen duty.

    What is required is an expansion of corporate responsibilities and a narrowing of corporate freedom. Rather than issuing unfunded mandates on the states, the government must issue corporate mandates to effect social responsibilities. The social burdens placed on government is caused by the failure of corporations to value anything other than profit. To relieve the burden on the government, corporations must be a partner with social responsibilities.

    Government is experiencing a cyclical failure. It is too busy dealing with the problematical social effects free enterprise causes, and the Corporations resist any change in their philosophical responsibilities. Like the slave-holders of the past, the corporations will give up the right to unchecked immoral profit unwillingly. Unlike 150 years ago, this will not be an armed conflict between different regions of the country. We can accomplish this utopian change with a series of simple votes.

    The objective is to find the balance where the government continues its natural expansion of personal rights, but simultaneously contracts in size and scope, and shifts many of its social burdens to these new industrialized national cultural private powers that the corporations have become. We can trust private industry to do what is good for itself, to be motivated. What we need to do is grant them the power they have, but also extract from them and ourselves a new Contract of Mutual Responsibility.

    Part 4 Molly, Paul and Me
    Intermission in the journey from Slavery to Utopia

    Well, I guess it is official. I now tell people that I am a writer, and that I have a column. This is a radically new self image for me. Writing is something that I always wanted to do. Now I am actually doing it. I have held my tongue because I did not believe I could add anything useful to the debate. Now I think maybe I can add something of value.

    Every time the teacher (that's you) chooses to, I get to have my work graded and read to the whole class (the web community.) My analogy does not line up quite right, but that doesn't matter, since I am now in charge. I am a Writer. I can put words is people's mouths, lie, act stupid, and braketherulesofgrammer. I am omnipotent. What is even better, I do not have to worry about my poor spelling or pronunciation. My wife is always razzing my language failures. I laugh. Einstein couldn't make coffee I tell her, of course, he did master the tools of his trade. Oh well. I sympathize a lot with the clod who is our President, his father''s Vice-President, and all the embarrassing mediocrity that is the wealth of our humanity. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you end up crying about stupid things. I stand before you raw and exposed. So what. Does anyone really care? And what if they did?

    None of this could have happened without Apple. So again, I owe them a debt of gratitude. Apple technology has really made my life immensely better, especially the laptops. I also love my new iPod, much more than I would have expected, even though I've had it for only a few weeks. Remember the commercial with the geek-thin kid who says he feels powerful? I know just how he feels. Of course, we all know how power corrupts....

    Have you noticed I always do these weird personal introductions before getting to the meat of the essay? It seems to drive a lot of people nuts. I do it because I want to remind the reader to realize that an essay is just an idea written by one person at some specific moment in time. It is not perfect, or complete, or a definitive principle that will last forever. The printed word has no more authority over our life than a casually spoken word, but people fall into the trap of giving it more value. In the Bible, the only things that really matter are the Ten Commandments and Jesus' command to Love One Another. Everything else is just a man's exploration in understanding. It may be insightful, inspiring and divinely given, but it is just one man's account. If you read between the lines, you will find that the thing I write most about is Loving One Another. Separately from it being hard to practice all the time, it is also a difficult command to understand. I do believe it is a command we are all challenged to live.

    Some people think writers should be objective. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. Nope, I think the whole point of writing is to say something. It can be smart or stupid, but it damn well had better challenge the reader. My feeling is that it is better to be loud and wrong than quiet and right. If you look at how Congress operates, you know that is how life seems to work. Of course there are different genres of writing, and with some forms of writing or topics, it may be grossly inappropriate to challenge the reader. Fortunately, I am not writing in that genre, so you won\'t get much of that playing it safe crap from me. I didn't hold my tongue all these years so I could engage in blah-speak. In fact, I have already told my wife what I want my epithet to read: I tried my best, to be wise, funny and kind, now it is your turn. I want to challenge the reader even when I am dead and gone, like Philoxenos challenged Thomas Merton.

    Some people do not get the chance to challenge others. Not because they did not want to, or because they were uninterested, but because they are murdered. This week, here in Massachusetts, the remains of Molly Bish were found. Molly was just a kid, sixteen years old, and working as a lifeguard, when she disappeared 3 years ago this month. Her family now has a small amount of closure in their well of grief, her bones to bury. The tormented soul who stole her life remains unknown.

    We all know Molly. She is a friend, a daughter, a niece, a neighbor. Her story is the chaos of our lives: the thing we do not want to happen. It is the car accident, the illness, the slip and fall that unmasks the raw edge of our humanity. It is the cross we fear to bear.

    We do not get to choose the burdens in our lives, they are thrust upon us. While some burdens are more tragic than others, no one escapes them. Burdens are a natural part of our humanity. Even if we get everything we ever wanted, time will catch up to us and our body will deteriorate. No amount of planning or wealth can create a burden-free life.

    The Bish family has tried to use their pain wisely. During the last three years, they have advocated for children, promoted identification kits, and lived a public life of amazing strength despite their personal grief. They challenge parents and society to think and protect the children. They want to spare us all the pain and chaos they have had to endure.

    Paul is a customer who came in to buy some t-shirts the other day. He had not been in for a long while, which is unusual for him. He works doing reach-out for a poor inner city neighborhood, trying to keep kids on the straight and narrow path. His work is not very different from that which the Bish's do to protect children.

    I don't know Paul's personal history, or why he chose his career path. This time when he came in, he was wearing an ear bud. I assumed it was a radio or walkie-talkie or something, so I asked, "What are you listening to?" He told me that he was going deaf, and that it was a hearing aid. He couldn't afford to buy "real" hearing aids, but under the Americans with Disabilities Act, his employer (a community health center) had to accommodate his disability. They did so by purchasing this iPod like device sound amplifier.

    Both my daughter and my mother wear hearing aids, so when he said he couldn't afford them, I knew what he meant. After wearing her original ones for seven years, my daughter had just replaced hers. Big bucks.

    I couldn't help thinking, again, isn't this an amazing economic system we have built? The burdens caused by a criminal or by our health are beyond our control, but how is it that Paul doesn't have hearing aids for both ears like my mother and daughter? There is plenty enough of chaos that we cannot control, but what about the chaos that festers which is man-made? Are we so unwise that we can not solve an obvious inexpensive problem? Would we deny a blind man a cane, a crying baby comfort, or a hungry person food?

    YES, YES, YES! We would do all types of similar things, almost by design. We create an artificial pecking order of pain. If your number comes up in the chaos lottery, you might get some help; if not, you are on your own. Since Paul's number did not come up, he does not get hearing aids. They are sitting on a shelf somewhere, unused.

    The criminal who murdered Molly committed both a moral and an economic crime. Obviously the moral crime and loss of life is most important. The cost of the formal investigation, the volunteers search time, the media, the emotional chill that occupied us, and an economically productive life were all lost in her murder. The cost of any one part of this economic crime is many times greater than the cost of the hearing aids that Paul needs.

    Paul's loss of hearing is part of the chaos of things that he doesn't want to happen. Compared to the Bish family, he is very lucky. In terms of planning, for both of them the chaos was an equally unforeseen event. When Molly went missing, the state directed all its resources to locating her, without too much regard to cost. For Paul, the regard for his problem was limited because of the cost. Obviously, a missing girl requires an immediate draconian response. As it is for a sailor lost at sea, the window of opportunity is short, and the more time passes the worse the situation. But did we really expect that no one would develop hearing problems this year? We know the rhythm of chaos, yet we ignore it.

    My late sister won the chaos lottery. She developed kidney disease and worked for the phone company. Not only did she have great medical and disability benefits while she was sick, but the state of Massachusetts underwrites kidney illness. She was among the early long-term successes to receive a kidney transplant, and lived a preciously difficult 20 years with my fathers organ inside of her. Her doctor was awarded a Nobel Peace Price for pioneering transplant technology. Everything that could be done for her was done.

    In the home town of the Nobel Prize winning doctor an intersection is named for him. This man, like Paul, spent his life working for the betterment of others. We should not name streets after people, we should name them after ideas and concepts, as a reminder that there is always a road or a path to our ideals, and that there is more than one way to get there. My sisters name was Grace, our society needs more grace. Be Graceful Boulevard is an address I would like to share with my neighbors. Let us meet sometime at the intersection of Love and Family.

    So what of Paul and Molly? Paul probably won't be getting his hearing aids any time soon, and the Earth will soon swallow up our beloved Molly. We will start a new day, and a new battle with everydayness, and hope that the burden of chaos will pass over us again. There is so much fun stuff that we have yet to have, and chaos is so imposing.

    In Voltaire's, Candide, the character Pangloss would say, "Whatever is, is best." He was in an infinite loop, doing the same things over and over again. Whatever bad thing happened was okay, whatever good thing happened was okay. His role was simply to tend to himself, and wrap himself in a convenient fiction of morality, where no corrective action is ever necessary. Many people think like Pangloss, that if we take our own lumps magnanimously, then that frees us of a need to concern ourselves with another person\'s chaos. Love One Another is a command of inaction according to this interpretation.

    Still, I weep for Molly, and I feel bad for Paul. Our bravado culture of self-reliance is a trap. The self-policing mechanism of free enterprise enslaves us to the same Panglossian stupidity and immorality. We are a community, or we are nothing. We cannot stop the chaos, but we can lighten its burden when it arrives. What we do for fear of death, we can do for life. To stand idle while chaos reigns is foolish and immoral.

    I recently posted an essay called, On Life, Death and Living...and Dixie Chicks. Did you chance to read it? I describe conservatives as lazy thinkers and liberals as stupid. That would seem to imply that I must then be a know-it-all. I'm not, I just think our politics are at an intellectual and moral dead-end. No one is listening to the other speak, but both sides have plenty of good arguments. They must, since they swap sides on the issues constantly. There is an assumption today that anything anyone says is colored by their political view. As soon as someone has a scent of that person's politics, a reality distortion field goes into effect. I went in search of finding a moral solution, for a common ground of our humanity. I am a proudly naive optimist. If we can agree on a single fundamental moral question, then we can grow that con

    The Factor,
    Why are Olby fans so angry?

    Posted by: Body Mechanic at February 19, 2007 2:32 PM

    Because Olby fans are pompous asses like Olby himself.They can't understand why no one watches Olby's show or buys Olby's book. When you are a self-righteous, self-important gasbag like Olby, the most important thing to you is to have the piss-ants of the world listen to your ranting. Olby's fan base is much like he is. That is why they feel the need to come on this site and talk about what ever they feel like.

    steal our names, WE'LL shut this site down.

    This is just a small taste, a--hole.

    jeff,
    you are a white trash fool. Years of Inbreeding have prevented you from rational thought. Bush is an evil man. He want us troops to die. He enjoys this war, because it boosts his manhood and make Halliburton rich.
    The ironey is he's destroying the Republicans and that's a good thing. America is on the verge of a one party state. I can't wait!

    Olby's fan base is much like he is. That is why they feel the need to come on this site and talk about what ever they feel like.


    the Olbyhating Nazis want to control what people talk about.

    AIN'T going to happen FACTOR, you lame piece of sh-t.

    Decider:

    I see that you're making the same mistake of responding to 'Bricks' insult and profanity filled rants that always sound as if they came from the pen of a stark raving mad lunatic.

    Trust me, the're not worth reading... my advise is to just look at the name and go on to the next one, the way I've learned to do.

    Trying to have a "Debate' with this 'Brick' character is similar to trying to reason with a neighborhood dog barking in the middle of the night...it can't be done. It will turn into a gutter level pissing match every time.

    I think its time that Mr. Cox run this site like the tolerant, open-minded, oh, so excepting liberals run theirs...

    *DON'T let anyone with a differing opinion post
    *REMOVE any posting that doesn't fit with the talking points
    *BAN anyone who you don't like

    On second thought- THATS EXACTLY why I love this site! Mr. Cox DOES allow dissent. OW DOES allow kooks, nuts, morons (liberals?), and ANYONE who disagrees with him to post.

    THAT is what makes OW so much different (better?) than the typical MoveOn, Daily Kos, DU, HuffPo, etc., etc.

    So, go ahead trolls… post away. Bush Lied. Bush is Hitler. WE GET IT.
    OW is INCLUSIVE. Liberal sites constantly discriminate.

    You see I hate Bush because my foodstamp amounts have been have been reduced. I used to buy 2, 12 packs of Bud, now I'm down to 1. I hate Bush! I can's even clean my trailer or feed my inbred mother!

    Seen the KO fan sites? They don't allow any dissention whatsoever from their edict that Keith is perfect and should be worshipped. Seen KO's new MSNBC-sponsored site, the News Hole (insert your own joke here)? Comments have been disabled. HuffPo, Kos, DU, none of them allow free speech on their sites. Gee, wonder why that is exactly?

    1. The Ancient World

    Moses I. Finley, 'Utopianism Ancient and Modern', in The Use and Abuse of History (London: 1975), pp. 178-92

    H. B. Norland, 'More's and Elyot's Political Perspectives and their Classical Precedents', Moreana, 40 (2003), 121-42

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    2. Architecture

    Ruth Eaton, Ideal Cities: Utopianism and the (Un)built Environment (London: Thames & Hudson, 2002)

    Anthony Grafton, Leon Battista Alberti: Master Builder of the Italian Renaissance (New York: Hill & Wang, 2000)

    Fernando Marías, 'From the "ideal city" to real cities: perspectives, chorographies, models, vedute', in The Triumph of the Baroque: Architecture in Europe 1600-1750, ed. by Henry A. Millon (London: Thames & Hudson, 1999), pp. 219-40

    Richard Krautheimer, 'The panels in Urbino, Baltimore and Berlin reconsidered', in The Renaissance From Bruenelleschi to Michelangelo: The Representation of Architecture, ed. by Henry A. Millon and Magnago Lampugnani (Milan: Bompiani, 1994), pp. 233-57

    Thomas DaCosta Kaufmann, The Mastery of Nature: Aspects of Art, Science, and Humanism in the Renaissance (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1993)

    Christine Smith, Architecture in the Culture of Early Humanism: Ethics, aesthetics, and eloquence 1400-1470 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992)

    Peter Sharratt, 'The imaginary city of Bernard Salomon', in Intellectual Life in Renaissance Lyon, ed. by Philip Ford and Gillian Jondorf (Cambridge: Cambridge French Colloquia, 1993), pp. 33-48

    Anthony Vidler, Claude-Nicolas Ledoux: Architecture and social reform at the end of the Ancien Régime (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 1990)

    Hubertus Günther, 'Sforzinda: eine Idealstadt der Renaissance', in Alternative Welten in Mittelalter und Renaissance, ed. by Ludwig Schrader, Studia humaniora 10 (Düsseldorf: Droste, 1988)

    Leonardo Benevolo, The Architecture of the Renaissance, trans. by Judith Landry, 2 vols (London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1978)

    Manfredo Tafuri, Architecture and Utopia: Design and capitalist development, trans. by Barbara Luigia La Penta (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 1979)

    John Archer, 'Puritan Town Planning in New Haven', Journal of the Society of Architectural Historians, 34 (1975), 140-49

    Sibyl Moholy-Nagy, Matrix of Man: An illustrated history of urban environment (London: Pall Mall, 1968)

    Eugenio Garin, 'La cité idéale de la Renaissance', in Les utopies à la Renaissance, ed. by W. Lameere (Brussels: Presses Universitaires Belges, 1963)

    S. Lang, 'The Ideal City from Plato to Howard', Architectural Review, 112 (1952), 90-101

    Patrick Abercrombie, 'Ideal Cities No. 1: Christianopolis', Town Planning Review, 8 (1920)

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    3. Utopian Cartography

    Romuald I. Lakowski, 'Utopia and the "Pacific Rim": the cartographical evidence', Early Modern Literary Studies, 5 (1999), 1-19

    S. Hutchinson, 'Mapping Utopias', Modern Philology, 85 (1987), 170-85

    Cécile Kruyfhooft, 'A recent discovery: Utopia by Abraham Ortelius', The Map Collector, 16 (1981), 10-14

    Websites: Cartographica Neerlandica (Ortelius' map of Utopia)

    See further the section on Utopian geography.
    4. Communism

    David Seed, Anticipations: Essays on early science fiction and its precursors (Utopianism and Communitarianism) (Syracuse University Press, 1995)

    Timothy Kenyon, Utopian Communism and Political Thought in Early Modern England (London: Pinter, 1989)

    Quentin Skinner, 'Sir Thomas More's Utopia and the language of Renaissance humanism', in The Languages of Political Theory in Early-Modern Europe, ed. by Anthony Pagden (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1987), pp. 123-57

    Antonia McLean, 'Utopian communism and the state', in Humanism and the Rise of Science in England (London: Heinemann, 1972), pp. 56-61

    Edward L. Surtz, S.J., The Praise of Pleasure: Philosophy, education, and communism in More's 'Utopia' (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1957)

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    5. Education
    1. Primary

    The following primary texts are particularly pertinent to questions of education:

    More, Utopia
    Campanella, City of the Sun
    Andreae, Christianopolis
    Plattes, Macaria
    Rousseau, Emile

    You might also be interested in reading Erasmus's Education of a Christian Prince in relation to More's Utopia
    2. Secondary

    Paul A. Olson, The Kingdom of Science: Literary Utopianism and British Education, 1612-1870 (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 2002)

    Patrick Dooley, 'Leisure and learning in Renaissance utopias', Diogenes, 134 (1986), 19-44

    Lyman Tower Sargent, 'Utopianism in colonial America', History of Political Thought, 4 (1983), 483-522

    Michèle Le Doeuff, 'Utopias: scholarly', Social Research, 49 (1982), 441-66

    R. J. P. Jordan, 'A new look at Rousseau as educator', Studies on Voltaire and the Eighteenth Century, 182 (1979), 59-72

    Dagmar Capková, 'The educational plans of J. A. Comenius in 1646: from a diary sent to English colleagues', History of Education, 7 (1978), 95-103

    N. E. Tanis, 'Education in John Eliot's Indian utopias 1645-1675', History of Education Quarterly, 10 (1970), 308-28

    Edward L. Surtz, S.J., The Praise of Pleasure: Philosophy, education, and communism in More's 'Utopia' (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1957)

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    6. Utopia and Enlightenment

    Richard Saage, 'Der Vertragsdenken und die politischen Utopien der Aufklärung', in Vertragsdenken und Utopie: Studien zur politischen Theorie und zur Sozialphilosophie der frühen Neuzeit, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch Wissenschaft 777 (Frankfurt am Main: Suhrkamp, 1989), pp. 67-92

    Aldo Maffey, L'utopia della ragione, presentazione di Luigi Firpo, Serie Studi / Istituto italiano per gli studi filosofici 9 (Naples: Bibliopolis, 1987)

    Franco Venturi, Utopia and Reform in the Enlightenment (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1971)

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    7. The Family

    David Colclough, 'Ethics and politics in the New Atlantis', in Francis Bacon's 'New Atlantis', ed. by Bronwen Price, Texts in culture (Manchester: Manchester University Press, 2003), pp. 60-81

    Naomi Tadmor, Family and Friends in Eighteenth-Century England: Household, Kinship and Patronage (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001)

    Ralph A. Houlbrooke, The English Family 1450-1700 (London: Longman, 1984)

    Georges Van Den Abbeele, 'Utopian sexuality and its discontents: exoticism and colonialism in Le Supplément au voyage de Bougainville', L'Esprit Créateur, 24 (1984), 43-52

    A. Owen Aldridge, 'Polygamy in early fiction: Henry Neville and Denis Veiras', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 65 (1950), 464-72

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    8. Sex and Gender

    Nicole Pohl, Women, Space and Utopia, 1600-1800 (Women and gender in the early modern world) (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2006)

    Qian Ma, Feminist Utopian Discourse in Eighteenth-Century Chinese and English Fiction (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2004)

    E. L. Bonin, 'Margaret Cavendish's dramatic utopias and the politics of gender', Studies in English Literature, 1500-1900, 40 (2000), 339-54

    Christopher Ferns, Narrating Utopia: Ideology, Gender and Form in Utopian Literature (Liverpool: Liverpool University Press, 1999)

    Susan Bruce, 'Virgins of the world and feasts of the family: sex and the social order in two Renaissance utopias', in English Renaissance Prose: History, Language, and Politics, ed. by Neil Rhodes, Medieval & Renaissance Texts & Studies 164 (Tempe, AZ: Medieval & Renaissance Texts & Studies, 1997), pp. 125-46

    Kate Lilley, 'Blazing Worlds: Seventeenth-century womens' utopian writing', in Women, Texts and Histories 1575-1760, ed. by Clare Brant and Diane Purkiss (London: Routledge, 1992), pp. 102-33

    B. B. Schnorrenberg, '"A Paradise like Eves": three eighteenth-century female utopias', Women's Studies, 9 (1982), 263-73

    E. Baruch, '"A Natural and Necessary Monster": Women in Utopia', Alternative Futures, 2 (1979), 29-48

    Judith P. Jones and Sherianne Sellers Seibel, 'Thomas More's feminism: to reform or re-form', in Quincentennial Essays on St. Thomas More: Selected papers from the Thomas More College Conference, ed. by Michael J. Moore (Boone, NC: Albion, 1978), pp. 67-77

    A. Owen Aldridge, 'Polygamy in early fiction: Henry Neville and Denis Veiras', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 65 (1950), 464-72
    1. Early Modern Feminism

    Note: there are a range of works written in the period 1516-1789 that debate the position of women in relation to education and society. Although perhaps not strictly 'utopian' in nature, they might make an interesting comparison with such works. Many are published in translation in the University of Chicago Press series 'The Other Voice in Early Modern Europe'. See especially:

    Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim, The Nobility and Preeminence of the Female Sex [1529], ed. and trans. by Jr. Albert Rabil (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1996)

    Theresa M. Kenney, ed. "Women are Not Human": An Anonymous Treatise and Responses (New York: The Crossroad Publishing Company, 1998)

    Moderata Fonte, The Worth of Women: Wherein is clearly revealed their nobility and their superiority to men [c. 1592], ed. and trans. by Virginia Cox (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1997)

    Anna Maria van Schurman, Whether a Christian Woman Should be Educated and Other Writings from her Intellectual Circle, ed. by Joyce L. Irwin (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1998)

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    9. Genre

    [See also the section on Travel Writing.]

    Ingrid A. R. de Smet, Menippean Satire and the Republic of Letters 1581-1655, Travaux du Grand Siècle 11 (Geneva: Libraire Droz, 1996)

    Christine Rees, Utopian Imagination and eighteenth-century Fiction (Harlow: Longman, 1996)

    Lyman Tower Sargent, 'The Three Faces of Utopianism revisited', Utopian Studies, 5 (1994), 1-37

    J. C. Davis, 'Formal utopia / informal millenium: the struggle between form and substance as a context for seventeenth-century utopianism', in Utopias and the Millennium, ed. by Krishan Kumar and Stephen Bann (London: Reaktion, 1993), pp. 17-32

    J. C. Davis, 'Utopianism', in The Cambridge History of Political Thought 1450-1700, ed. by J. H. Burns and Mark Goldie (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1991), pp. 329-44

    Artur Blaim, 'Genre and Change: Evolutionary tendencies in early Utopian fiction', Essays in Poetics, 8 (1983), 74-98

    Luc Racine, 'Paradise, the Golden Age, the Millennium and Utopia. A Note on the Differentiation of Forms of the Ideal Society', Diogenes, 122 (1983), 119-36

    Artur Blaim, 'The Text and Genre Pattern: More's Utopia and the structure of early Utopian fiction', Essays in Poetics, 6 (1981), 18-53

    Darko Suvin, 'Defining the literary genre of Utopia', in Metamorphoses of Science Fiction: On the poetics and history of a literary genre (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1979), pp. 37-62

    Lyman Tower Sargent, 'Utopia - the problem of definition', Extrapolations, 6 (1975), 137-48

    Robert C. Elliott, The Shape of Utopia: Studies in a literary genre (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1970)

    Northrop Frye, 'Varieties of literary utopias', in Utopias and Utopian Thought, ed. by Frank Edward Manuel (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1966), pp. 25-49

    Robert C. Elliott, 'The Shape of Utopia', Studies in Philology, 30 (1963), 317-44

    A. R. Heiserman, 'Satire in the Utopia', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 78 (1963), 163-74

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    1. Science Fiction

    Patrick Parrinder, ed. Learning from Other Worlds: Estrangement, cognition and the politics of science fiction and utopia, Liverpool Science Fiction Texts and Studies 17 (Liverpool: Liverpool University Press, 2000)

    J. Adams, 'Outer Space and the New World in the Imagination of Eighteenth-century Europe', Eighteenth Century Life, 19 (1995), 70-83

    David Seed, Anticipations: Essays on early science fiction and its precursors (Utopianism and Communitarianism) (Syracuse University Press, 1995)

    Karl S. Guthke, The Last Frontier: Imagining other worlds, from the Copernican revolution to modern science fiction, trans. by Helen Atkins (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1990)

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    10. Utopian Geography

    Frank Lestringant, Mapping the Renaissance World: The geographical imagination in the age of discovery, trans. by David Fausett (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1994)

    G. May, 'One way and in both Directions: considerations on imaginary voyages', Diogenes, 152 (1990), 1-18

    J. C. Caravaglia, 'I Gesuiti del Paraguay: utopia e realtà', Rivista storica italiana, 93 (1981), 269-314

    J. K. Hale, 'A World Elsewhere', in The Age of the Renaissance (London: 1967)

    See also the sections on cartography and on countries and continents.

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    11. History

    J. K. Graham, 'History of utopia and the utopianism of history', History of European Ideas, 6 (1985), 189-99

    J. C. Davis, 'The history of utopia: the chronology of nowhere', in Utopias, ed. by Peter Alexander and Roger Gill, Colston Papers 35 (London: Duckworth, 1984)

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    12. The Ideal City

    Note: see also the sections on architecture, Alberti, and Patrizi

    Fernando Marías, 'From the "ideal city" to real cities: perspectives, chorographies, models, vedute', in The Triumph of the Baroque: Architecture in Europe 1600-1750, ed. by Henry A. Millon (London: Thames & Hudson, 1999), pp. 219-40

    Renato Uglione, ed. La città ideale nella tradizione classica e biblico-cristiana: atti del Convegno nazionale di studi (Torino 1985), Regione Piemonte (Turin: Assessorato alla Cultura, 1987)

    Cesare De Seta, Massimo Ferretti and Alberto Tenenti, Imago urbis. Dalla città ideale alla città reale, pref. by A. Chastel (Milan: Franco Maria Ricci, 1986)

    Leon Battista Alberti, La città ideale nel Rinascimento, ed. by Gianni Carlo Sciolla, introd. by Luigi Firpo (Turin: UTET, 1975)

    Helen Rosenau, The Ideal City, its Architectural Evolution (London: Studio Vista, 1974)

    Eugenio Garin, 'The ideal city', trans. by Peter Munz, in Science and Civic Life in the Italian Renaissance (Garden City, NY: Anchor Books, 1969), pp. 21-48

    Luigi Firpo, 'La città ideale del Filarete', in Studi in memoria di Gioele Solari (Turin, 1956), pp. 11-59

    S. Lang, 'The Ideal City from Plato to Howard', Architectural Review, 112 (1952), 90-101

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    13. Language

    Paul Cornelius, Languages in Seventeenth- and Early Eighteenth-Century Imaginary Voyages (Geneva: Droz, 1965)

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    14. Law

    Miguel Ángel Ramiro Avilés, Utopía y derecho: El sistema jurídico en las sociedades ideales, introd. by J. C. Davis (Madrid: Marcial Pons, 2002)

    Miguel Ángel Ramiro Avilés, 'The law-based utopia', Critical Review of International Social and Political Philosophy (2001), 225-48

    P. Foriers, 'Les Utopies et le droit', in Les Utopies à la Renaissance, Travaux de l'Institut pour l'Étude de la Renaissance et de l'Humanisme 1 (Brussels: Presses Universitaires de Bruxelles, 1963), pp. 233-61

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    15. The Middle Ages

    Janet Coleman, 'The continuity of utopian thought in the middle ages: a reassessment', Vivarium, 20 (1982), 1-23

    F. Graus, 'Social Utopias in the Middle Ages', Past and Present, 38 (1967), 5-20

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    16. Moon Travel
    1. Primary

    Francis Godwin, 'The Man in the Moon' and 'Nuncius inanimatus', ed. by Grant McColley (Northampton, MA, 1937)

    Johannes Kepler, Kepler's Somnium: The dream, or, posthumous work on lunar astronomy, ed. and trans. by Edward Rosen (Madison, WI: University of Wisconsin Press, 1967)

    Francis Godwin, The Man in the Moone, ed. by Andy Johnson and Ron Shoesmith (Little Logaston, Woonton, Almeley, Herefordshire: Logaston Press, 1996)

    John Wilkins, The Discovery of a World in the Moone (1638) (Amsterdam and New York: Theatrvm Orbis Terrarvm, 1972)

    Savinien Cyrano de Bergerac, Other Worlds: The comical history of the states and empires of the moon and sun, ed. by Geoffrey Strachan (London: Oxford University Press, 1965)

    Bernard le Bovier de Fontenelle, Conversations on the Plurality of Worlds, trans. by H. A. Hargreaves (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990)
    2. Secondary

    A. G. H. Barhrach, '"Luna mendax": some reflections on moon travel in early-seventeenth century England', in Between Dream and Nature: Essays on utopia and dystopia, ed. by Dominic Baker-Smith and C.C. Barfoot, DQR studies in literature 2 / Costerus n.s. 61 (Amsterdam: Rodopi, 1987), pp. 70-90

    Marjorie Hope Nicolson, 'A World in the Moon, A Study of the Changing Attitude Toward the Moon in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries', Smith College Studies in Modern Languages, 17 (1936), 1-72

    Marjorie Hope Nicolson, Voyages to the Moon (New York, 1948)

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    17. Politics

    David Colclough, 'Ethics and politics in the New Atlantis', in Francis Bacon's 'New Atlantis', ed. by Bronwen Price, Texts in culture (Manchester: Manchester University Press, 2003), pp. 60-81

    Quentin Skinner, 'Thomas More’s Utopia and the virtue of true nobility', in Visions of Politics, vol. II: Renaissance Virtues (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002)

    J. C. Davis, 'Utopianism', in The Cambridge History of Political Thought 1450-1700, ed. by J. H. Burns and Mark Goldie (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1991), pp. 329-44

    Krishan Kumar, Utopianism, Concepts in the Social Sciences (Milton Keynes: Open University Press, 1991)

    Mark Goldie, 'Obligations, utopias and their historical context', Historical Journal, 26 (1983), 727-46

    Barbara Goodwin and Keith Taylor, The Politics of Utopia (London: St Martin's Press, 1983)

    Quentin Skinner, The Foundations of Modern Political Thought, 2 vols, vol. I: The Renaissance (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1978)

    J. Seguy, 'Une sociologie des sociétés imaginées: monarchisme et utopie', Annales: Économies, Sociétés, Civilisations, 26 (1971), 328-54

    Judith Shklar, 'The political theory of Utopia: from melancholy to nostalgia', in Utopias and Utopian Thought, ed. by Frank Edward Manuel (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1966), pp. 101-115

    Antonia McLean, 'Utopian communism and the state', in Humanism and the Rise of Science in England (London: Heinemann, 1972), pp. 56-63
    1. Early Modern Republicanism

    Quentin Skinner and Martin van Gelderen, eds., Republicanism, 2 vols (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002)

    Warren Chernaik, 'Biblical republicanism', Prose Studies, 23 (2001), 147-60

    Eric Nelson, 'Greek nonsense in More's Utopia', Historical Journal, 44 (2001), 889-918

    James Hankins, ed. Renaissance Civic Humanism: Reappraisals and reflections, Ideas in Context 57 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000)

    Arihiro Fukuda, Sovereignty and the Sword: Harrington, Hobbes, and mixed government in the English Civil Wars (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1997)

    Philip Pettit, Republicanism: A Theory of Freedom and Government (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1997)

    Markku Peltonen, Classical Humanism and Republicanism in English Political Thought 1570-1640 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995)

    Jonathan Scott, 'The rapture of motion: James Harrington's republicanism', in Political Discourse in Early Modern Britain, ed. by Nicholas Phillipson and Quentin Skinner (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993), pp. 139-63

    Daniel T. Rodgers, 'Republicanism: the Career of a Concept', Journal of American History (1992), 11-38

    Blair Worden, 'English Republicanism', in The Cambridge History of Political Thought 1450-1700, ed. by J. H. Burns and Mark Goldie (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1991), pp. 443-75

    Quentin Skinner, The Foundations of Modern Political Thought, 2 vols, vol. I: The Renaissance (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1978)

    J. G. A. Pocock, The Machiavellian Moment: Florentine political thought and the Atlantic republican tradition, 2nd edn with new afterward (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2003)

    Franco Venturi, Utopia and Reform in the Enlightenment (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1971)

    William J. Bouwsma, Venice and the Defence of Republican Liberty (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1968)

    Hans Baron, The Crisis of the Early Italian Renaissance, 2nd edn (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1966)

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    18. Practical Application

    Mark Holloway, Heavens on Earth: Utopian Communities in America 1680-1880 (New York: Dover, 1966)

    W. H. G. Armytage, Heavens Below: Utopian experiments in England, 1560-1960 (London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1961)

    Athur E. Bestor, Backwoods Utopias: The Sectarian and Owenite Phases of Communitarian Socialism in America 1663-1829 (Philadelphia, 1950)

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    19. Religion

    Donald R. Dickson, The Tessera of Antilia: Utopian brotherhoods and secret societies in the early seventeenth century, Brill’s Studies in Intellectual History 88 (Boston: Brill, 1998)

    Krishan Kumar and Stephen Bann, eds., Utopias and the Millennium (London: Reaktion, 1993)

    J. C. Davis, 'Religion and the struggle for freedom in the English Revolution', Historical Journal, 35 (1992), 507-30

    Mark Goldie, 'The civil religion of James Harrington', in The Languages of Political Theory in Early-Modern Europe, ed. by Anthony Pagden (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1987), pp. 197-222

    James Holstun, A Rational Millennium: Puritan utopias of seventeenth-century England and America (New York: Oxford University Press, 1987)

    Roland Crahay, 'L'Utopie pratiquée des anabaptistes', in D'Érasme à Campanella, ed. by Jacques Marx, Problèmes d'histoire du christianisme 15 (Brussels: Éditions de l'Université de Bruxelles, 1985), pp. 119-31

    Krishan Kumar, Religion and Utopia (Canterbury: Centre for the Study of Religion and Society, 1985)

    Theodore Olsen, Millennialism, Utopianism, and Progress (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1982)

    Brendan Bradshaw, 'More on Utopia', Historical Journal, 24 (1981), 1-27

    J. C. Caravaglia, 'I Gesuiti del Paraguay: utopia e realtà', Rivista storica italiana, 93 (1981), 269-314

    Nabil Matar, 'Alone in our Eden: a Puritan Utopia in Restoration England', The Seventeenth Century, 2 (1981), 189-98

    Luigi Firpo, L'utopia nell'eta' della controriforma (Turin: G. Giappichelli, 1977)

    Susan Groag Bell, 'Johan Eberlin von Günzburg's Wolfaria: the first Protestant utopia', Church History, 36 (1967), 3-20 or 122-39

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    20. Science

    R. W. Serjeantson, 'Natural knowledge in the New Atlantis', in Francis Bacon's 'New Atlantis', ed. by Bronwen Price (Manchester: Manchester University Press, 2003), pp. 82-105

    Ayval Ramati, 'Harmony at a distance: Leibniz's scientific academies', Isis, 87 (1996), 430-52

    William Eamon, 'Natural magic and utopia in the cinquecento: Campanella, the della Porta circle, and the revolt of Calabria', Memorie Domenicane, n.s. 26 (1995), 369-402

    Stephen A. McKnight, ed. Science, Pseudo-Science, and Utopianism in Early Modern Thought (Columbia: University of Missouri Press, 1992)

    Anthony Grafton, 'Humanism, Magic and Science', in The Impact of Humanism on Western Europe, ed. Anthony Goodman and Angus MacKay (London: Longman, 1990), pp. 99-117

    A. O. Lewis, 'Utopian approaches to technology', Bulletin of Science, Technology and Society, 7 (1987), 493-506

    Michael Winter, 'The explosion of the circle: science and negative utopia', in Nineteen Eighty-Four: Science between utopia and dystopia, ed. by Everett Mendelsohn and Helga Nowotny, Sociology of the Sciences 8 (Dordrecht: D. Reidel, 1984), pp. 73-90

    Everett Mendelsohn and Helga Nowotny, eds., Nineteen Eighty-Four: Science between utopia and dystopia, Sociology of the Sciences 8 (Dordrecht: D. Reidel, 1984)

    J. C. Davis, 'Science and utopia: the history of a dilemma', in Nineteen Eighty-Four: Science between utopia and dystopia, ed. by Everett Mendelsohn and Helga Nowotny, Sociology of the Sciences 8 (Dordrecht: D. Reidel, 1984), pp. 21-48

    Frank E. Manuel and Fritzie P. Manuel, Utopian Thought in the Western World (Oxford: Blackwell, 1979), pp. 243-260 (ch. 9: 'Bacon, trumpeter of New Atlantis'); pp. 392-410 (ch. 15, 'Leibniz: the swan song of the Christian republic').

    Jerry Weinberger, 'Science and rule in Bacon's utopia: an introduction to the reading of the New Atlantis', American Political Science Review, 70 (1976), 865-85

    Charles Webster, The Great Instauration: Science, Medicine and Reform 1626-1660 (London: Duckworth, 1975), pp. 246-50

    Mulford Q. Sibley, 'Utopian thought and technology', American Journal of Political Science, 17 (1973), 255-81

    Timothy J. Reiss, 'Structure and mind in two seventeenth-century utopias: Campanella and Bacon', Yale French Studies, 49 (1973), 82-95

    A. R. Hall, 'Science, technology and utopia in the seventeenth century', in Science and Society 1600-1900, ed. by Peter Mathias (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1972)

    W. Leiss, 'Utopia and technology: reflections on the conquest of nature', International Social Science Journal, 22 (1970), pages

    Nell Eurich, Science in Utopia: A mighty design (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1967)

    Judah Bierman, 'The New Atlantis, Bacon's utopia of science', Papers on Language and Literature (1967), 99-110

    Judah Bierman, 'Science and society in the New Atlantis and other Renaissance Utopias', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 78 (1963), 492-500

    A. H. Frietzsche, 'The impact of applied science upon the Utopian ideal', Brigham Young University Studies, 3 (1961), 35-42

    Robert P. Adams, 'The social responsibilities of science in the Utopia, New Atlantis and after', Journal of the History of Ideas, 10 (1949), 374-98 (repr. in Renaissance Essays From the Journal of the History of Ideas, ed. by Paul Oskar Kristeller (Rochester, NY: University of Rochester Press, 1968), pp. 137-61)

    E. D. Blodgett, 'Bacon's New Atlantis and Campanella's Civitas Solis: a study in relationships', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 46 (1931), 763-80

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    21. Slavery

    Shlomo Avineri, 'War and Slavery in More's Utopia', International Review of Social History, 7 (1962), 260-90
    22. Utopian Society

    B. J. Christensen, 'The Family in Utopia' Renasence: Essays on Values in Literature, 44 (1991), 31-44

    Vivien Carol Fox, 'Deviance in some English Utopias, Sixteenth to Eighteenth Centuries', Humboldt Journal of Social Relations, 2 (1973), 14

    A. Owen Aldridge, 'Polygamy in early fiction: Henry Neville and Denis Veiras', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 65 (1950), 464-72

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    23. Theatre

    E. Munk, 'Exiled from nowhere and how theatre was envisioned in utopias of the past', Theater, 26 (1995), 101-11

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    24. Time

    A. London, 'Clock time and utopia's time in novels of the 1790s', Studies in English Literature, 1500-1900, 40 (2000), 539-60

    André Stegmann, 'Le temps rituel de l'utopie selon cinq utopies des années 1620', Annales de Bretagne et des Pays de l'Ouest, 83 (1976), 337-47

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    25. Travel Writing

    Bettina Dietz, Utopien als mögliche Welten. "Voyages imaginaires" der französichen Frühaufklärung, 1650-1715 (Mainz: Philipp von Zabern Verlag, 2002)

    Joan-Pau Rubiés, 'Travel writing as a genre: facts, fictions and the invention of a scientific discourse in early modern Europe', Journeys, 1 (1996), 5-35

    Neil Rennie, Far-Fetched Facts: The literature of travel and the idea of the South Seas (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1995), esp. ch. 1

    Percy G. Adams, Travellers and Travel Liars 1660-1800 (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1962)

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    26. War

    Robert Pardee Adams, The Better Part of Valor: More, Erasmus, Colet, and Vives, on humanism, war, and peace, 1496-1535 (Seattle: University of Washington Press, 1962)

    Shlomo Avineri, 'War and Slavery in More's Utopia', International Review of Social History, 7 (1962), 260-90

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    5. Countries and Continents

    See also the section on utopian geography
    1. Africa
    1. Primary

    Samuel Johnson, The History of Rasselas, Prince of Abissinia, ed. by D. J. Enright (London: Penguin, 1976)

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    2. Asia
    1. Primary

    Tommaso Campanella, La Città del sole: dialogo poetico / The City of the Sun: A poetical dialogue [1623], ed. and trans. by Daniel J. Donno (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1981)

    Denis Diderot, 'Supplement to Bougainville’s Voyage', in Political Writings, ed. by John Hope Mason and Robert Wokler (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1992)

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    3. England

    Robert Appelbaum, Literature and Utopian Politics in Seventeenth-Century England (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002)

    Amy Boesky, Founding Fictions: Utopias in Early Modern England (Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1996)

    Jean-Michel Racault, L'Utopie narrative en France et en Angleterre, 1675-1761, Studies on Voltaire and the Eighteenth Century 280 (Oxford: Voltaire Foundation, 1991)

    Keith Thomas, 'The Utopian impulse in seventeenth century England', Dutch Quarterly Review of Anglo-American Letters, 15 (1985), 162-88

    Timothy Kenyon, Utopian Communism and Political Thought in Early Modern England (London: Pinter, 1989)

    J. C. Davis, Utopia and the Ideal Society: A Study of English Utopian Writing, 1516-1700 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1981)

    Temple Maynard, 'Utopia and Dystopia in the Oriental Genre in England in the Eighteenth Century', Studies in Voltaire and the Eighteenth Century, 191 (1980), 706-11

    Vivien Carol Fox, 'Deviance in some English Utopias, Sixteenth to Eighteenth Centuries', Humboldt Journal of Social Relations, 2 (1973), 14

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    4. France

    Peter Sharratt, 'The imaginary city of Bernard Salomon', in Intellectual Life in Renaissance Lyon, ed. by Philip Ford and Gillian Jondorf (Cambridge: Cambridge French Colloquia, 1993), pp. 33-48

    Jean-Michel Racault, L'Utopie narrative en France et en Angleterre, 1675-1761, Studies on Voltaire and the Eighteenth Century 280 (Oxford: Voltaire Foundation, 1991)

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    5. Italy

    Thomas Renna, 'Campanella's City of the Sun and late Renaissance Italy', Utopian Studies, 10 (1999), 13-25

    Luigi Firpo, 'Renaissance Utopianism', in The Late Italian Renaissance, 1525-1630, ed. by Eric Cochrane (London: Macmillan, 1970), 149-67

    J. C. Davis, Utopia and the Ideal Society: A Study of English Utopian Writing, 1516-1700 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1981), ch. 3
    1. Venice

    Marion Leathers Kuntz, Venice, Myth and Utopian Thought in the Sixteenteenth Century: Bodin, Postel and the virgin of Venice, Variorum Collected Studies CS668 (Aldershot: Ashgate, 1999)

    Michèle Le Doeuff, 'Introduction', to Francis Bacon, La Nouvelle Atlantide (Paris: GF-Flammarion, 1995), pp. 7-71

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    6. Spain

    Note: see also the section on the New World.
    1. Primary

    Stelio Cro, ed. Descripcion de la Sinapia, peninsula en la tierra austral: a classical Utopia of Spain (Hamilton, Ontario: McMaster University, 1975). Reviewed by Sylvia Wynter, in Science Fiction Studies, 6 (1979). [Cro dates this text to 1682 in his 1980 article listed below.]
    2. Secondary

    Stelio Cro, 'La utopía en España; Sinapia', Cuadernos para la Investigación de la Literatura Hispánica, 2-3 (1980)

    Stelio Cro, 'The new world in Spanish utopianism', Alternative Futures, 2 (1979), 39-53

    Stelio Cro, 'Il pensiero utopico in Spagna: «Sinapia»', in Studi sull'Utopia, ed. by Luigi Firpo (Florence: Leo S. Olschki, 1977), pp. 223-32

    Monroe Z. Hafter, 'Towards a history of Spanish imaginary voyages', Eighteenth-Century Studies, 8 (1975), 265-82

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    7. The New World

    Note: see also the section on Vasco de Quiroga.

    Andrew Fitzmaurice, Humanism and America: An Intellectual History of English Colonisation, 1500-1625 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003)

    Benjamin Schmidt, Innocence Abroad: The Dutch Imagination and the New World, 1570-1670 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002)

    Romuald I. Lakowski, 'Geography and the More Circle: John Rastell, Thomas More and the "New World"', Renaissance Forum, 4 (1999)

    Andrew Fitzmaurice, 'Classical rhetoric and the promotion of the New World', Journal of the History of Ideas, 58 (1997), 221-44

    Walter D. Mignolo, The Darker Side of the Renaissance: Literacy, territoriality, and colonization (University of Michigan Press, 1997)

    J. Adams, 'Outer Space and the New World in the Imagination of Eighteenth-century Europe', Eighteenth Century Life, 19 (1995), 70-83

    David Faussett, Writing the New World: Imaginary Voyages and Utopias of the Great Southern Land (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 1993)

    Stephen Greenblatt, ed. New World Encounters, Representations Books 6 (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993)

    Anthony Pagden, European Encounters with the New World: From Renaissance to Romanticism (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1993)

    Joan-Pau Rubiés, 'New worlds and Renaissance ethnology', History and Anthropology, 6 (1993), 157-97

    J. H. Elliott, The Old World and the New 1492-1650 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1992)

    Anthony Grafton, A. Shelford and N. G. Siraisi, New Worlds, Ancient Texts: The power of tradition and the shock of discovery (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1992)

    Alfred A. Cave, 'Thomas More and the New World', Albion, 23 (1991), 209-29

    Stephen Greenblatt, Marvellous Possessions: The Wonder of the New World (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1991)

    William Brandon, New Worlds for Old: Reports from the New World and their Effect on the Development of Social Thought in Europe, 1500-1800 (Athens: Ohio University Press, 1986)

    Patrick Dooley, 'More's Utopia and the new world utopias: is the good life an easy life?' Thought, 60 (1985), 31-48

    Lyman Tower Sargent, 'Utopianism in colonial America', History of Political Thought, 4 (1983), 483-522

    Stelio Cro, 'The new world in Spanish utopianism', Alternative Futures, 2 (1979), 39-53

    Margaret T. Hodgen, Early Anthropology in the 16th and 17th Centuries (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1964)

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    8. Terra Australis Incognita
    1. Primary

    Joseph Hall, Another World and Yet the Same, trans. by J. M. Wands, Yale Studies in English 190 (New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1981)

    Johann Valentin Andreae, Christianopolis [1619], ed. and trans. by Edward H. Thompson, Archives internationales d'histoire des idées 162 (Dordrecht: Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1999)

    Henry Neville, 'The Isle of Pines', in Three Renaissance Utopias: Utopia, New Atlantis, The Isle of Pines, ed. by Susan Bruce (Oxford: World's Classics, 1999)

    Gabriel de Foigny, The Southern Land, Known, ed. and trans. by David Fausett (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 1993)

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, Histoire des Séverambes (Paris, 1677-79)

    [Ambrose Phillips], 'A Description of New Athens (1720)', in Utopias of the British Enlightenment, ed. by Gregory Claeys, CTHPT (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994)

    Additional:

    Peter Heylyn, 'An Appendix to the Former Work, endeavouring a Discovery of the Unknown Parts of the World, especially of Terra Australis Incognita, or the Southern Continent', in Cosmographie (London: Henry Seile, 1657)

    Tyssot de Patot, Voyages et Avantures de Jacques Massé (Cologne: Kainkus, 1710)

    [Anon.], Relation d'un Voyage du Pole Arctique, au Pole Antarctique, par le Centre du Monde (Amsterdam, 1721)

    Zaccaria Seriman, Viaggi di Enrico Wanton alle Terre Incognite Australi, ed ai Regni delle Scimie, e de' Cinocefali (Berne, 1764)

    [Anon.], Voyage de Robertson, aux Terres Australes, traduit sur le Manuscrit Anglois (Amsterdam, 1767)
    2. Secondary

    Marina Leslie, 'Antipodal Anxieties: Joseph Hall, Richard Brome, Margaret Cavendish and the Cartographies of Gender', Genre, 30 (1997), 51-78

    Robert Clancy, The Mapping of Terra Australis (Sydney: Universal Press, 1995)

    William Eisler, The Furthest Shore: Images of Terra Australia from the Middle Ages to Captain Cook (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995)

    David Faussett, Writing the New World: Imaginary Voyages and Utopias of the Great Southern Land (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 1993)

    W. A. R. Richardson, 'Mercator's Southern Continent: Its Origins, Influence and Gradual Demise', Terrae Incognitae, 25 (1993), 67-98

    Terra Australis: The Furthest Shore, ed. by William Eisler and Bernard Smith (Sydney, 1988)

    A. Rainaud, Le continent austral (Paris, 1893)

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    6. Individual Authors
    1. Alberti, Leon Battista
    1. Primary

    Leon Battista Alberti, On the Art of Building in Ten Books, trans. by Joseph Rykwert, Neil Leach and Robert Tavernor (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 1988)

    Leon Battista Alberti, La città ideale nel Rinascimento, ed. by Gianni Carlo Sciolla, introd. by Luigi Firpo (Turin: UTET, 1975)
    2. Secondary

    Anthony Grafton, Bring Out Your Dead: The Past as Revelation (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2002), chs. 1, 2

    Anthony Grafton, Leon Battista Alberti: Master Builder of the Italian Renaissance (New York: Hill & Wang, 2000)

    Christine Smith, Architecture in the Culture of Early Humanism: Ethics, aesthetics, and eloquence 1400-1470 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992)

    Michael Baxendall, Painting and Experience in Fifteenth-Century Italy (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988)

    D. R. Edward Wright, 'Alberti's De Pictura: Its literary structure and purpose', Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, 47 (1984), 52-71

    Dorothy Koenigsberger, Renaissance Man and Creative Thinking: A History of Concepts of Harmony 1400-1700, Harvester Studies in Philosophy 9 (Hassocks, Sussex: Harvester, 1979)

    Michael Baxendall, Giotto and the Orators: Humanist observers of painting in Italy and the discovery of pictorial composition 1350-1450, Oxford-Warburg Studies (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1971)
    2. Agostini, Ludovico

    Note: as far as we are aware, there is no English translation of Agostini's Repubblica imaginaria.
    1. Primary

    Lodovico Agostini, 'La repubblica imaginaria', in Utopisti e riformatori sociali del Cinquecento: A. F. Doni - U. Foglietta - F. Patrizi da Cherso - L. Agostini, ed. by Carlo Curcio (Bologna, 1941)

    Lodovico Agostini, La repubblica immaginaria, ed. by Luigi Firpo, Pubblicazioni dell'Istituto di Scienze Politiche dell'Università di Torino 4 (Turin: Ramella, 1957)
    2. Secondary

    Luigi Firpo, 'La "Repubblica immaginaria"', in Lo stato ideale della controriforma: Ludovico Agostini (Bari: Editori Laterza, 1957), pp. 272-306

    Luigi Firpo, 'Renaissance Utopianism', in The Late Italian Renaissance, 1525-1630, ed. by Eric Cochrane (London: Macmillan, 1970), pp. 149-67

    Luigi Firpo, L'utopia nell'eta' della controriforma (Turin: G. Giappichelli, 1977)

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    3. Allais, Denis Vairasse d'
    1. Primary
    1. Original French

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, Histoire des Séverambes (Paris, 1677-79) [on Gallica, no. N084443 (volume 1), N084444 (volume 2); N084445 (volume 3); N084446 (volume 4)]

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, Histoire des Sévarambes, Utopie 1 (Amiens: Encrage, 1994)
    2. English Translation

    Denis Vairaisse d' Allais, The History of the Sevarites or Sevarambi (London: Printed for Henry Brome, 1675) [on EEBO]

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, The History of the Sevarites or Sevarambi: a nation inhabiting part of the third continent, commonly called Terrae australes incognitae. With a further account of their admirable government, religion, customs, and language. Written by one Captain Siden, a worthy person, who, together with many others, was cast upon those coasts, and lived many years in that country. The second part more wonderful and delightful than the first (London: printed by J.M. for Henry Brome, 1679)

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, 'The Economy and Education of the Sevarambians', in French Utopias: An anthology of ideal societies, ed. and trans. by F. Edward Manuel and Fritzie P. Manuel (New York: Free Press, 1966), pp. 49-57
    3. Other Translations

    Denis Vairasse d' Allais, Eine Historie der neu-gefundenen Voelcker Sevarambes genannt/ Denis Veiras; mit einem Nachwort, Bibliographie und Dokumenten zur Rezeptionsgeschichte [Facsimile reprint of Sulzbach, Lichtenthaler, 1689 ed.], ed. by Wolfgang Braungart and Jutta Golawski-Braungart, Deutsche Neudrucke, Reihe Barock 39 (Tübingen: Niemeyer, 1990)

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    4. Andreae, J. V.
    1. Primary
    1. Christianopolis
    1. Recommended Translation

    Johann Valentin Andreae, Christianopolis [1619], ed. and trans. by Edward H. Thompson, Archives internationales d'histoire des idées 162 (Dordrecht: Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1999)
    2. Other Editions

    Johann Valentin Andreae, Christianopolis (1619), ed. by Richard van Dülmen, trans. by D. S. Georgi [1741], Quellen und Forschungen zur württembergischen Kirchengeschichte 4 (Stuttgart: Calwer, 1972)

    Johann Valentin Andreae, Christianopolis [1619], trans. by Felix E. Held (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1916)
    2. Societas Christiana

    Johann Valentin Andreae, Societas Christiana: A modell of a Christian society, ed. by G. H. Turnbull, trans. by John Hall [1647] (Berlin, 1955)
    2. Secondary

    Donald R. Dickson, The Tessera of Antilia: Utopian brotherhoods and secret societies in the early seventeenth century, Brill's Studies in Intellectual History 88 (Boston: Brill, 1998)

    H. Powell, 'Johann Valentin Andrae: A practising idealist of the 17th century', German Life and Letters, 41 (1988), 363-70

    John Warwick Montgomery, Cross and Crucible: Johann Valentin Andreae (1586-1654), Phoenix of the Theologians, 2 vols (The Hague: Martinus Nijhoff, 1973)

    G. S. Turnbull, 'Johann Valentin Andreae's Societas Christiana', Zeitschrift für Deutsche Philologie, 74 (1955), 151-85

    Patrick Abercrombie, 'Ideal Cities No. 1: Christianopolis', Town Planning Review, 8 (1920)

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    5. Aristotle

    Note: see especially Book VII of Aristotle's Politics for his account the best form of a state.
    1. Recommended Edition

    Aristotle, The Politics, ed. by Stephen Everson, Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988)
    2. Secondary

    M. Jackson, 'Designed by theorists: Aristotle on utopia', Utopian Studies, 12 (2001), 1-12

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    6. Astell, Mary
    1. Primary

    Astell, Mary, A Serious Proposal to the Ladies, ed. Patricia Springborg (London: Pickering and Chatto, 1997)
    2. Secondary

    Alessa Johns, 'Mary Astell's "Excited Needles": Theorizing Feminist Utopia in Seventeenth-Century England', Utopian Studies, 7 (1996), 60-74

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    7. Bacon, Francis
    1. Primary

    Francis Bacon, 'New Atlantis', in Three Renaissance Utopias: Utopia, New Atlantis, The Isle of Pines, ed. by Susan Bruce (Oxford: World's Classics, 1999)

    Francis Bacon, 'New Atlantis', in The Oxford Authors: Francis Bacon, ed. by Brian Vickers (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1996), pp. 457-89
    2. Secondary

    Bronwen Price, ed. Francis Bacon's The New Atlantis: New interdisciplinary essays (Manchester: Manchester University Press, 2003)

    Amy Boesky, 'Bacon's New Atlantis and the laboratory of prose', in The Project of Prose in Early Modern Europe and the New World, ed. by Elizabeth Fowler and Roland Greene (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1997), pp. 138-53 = Boesky, Founding Fictions: Utopias in Early Modern England (Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1996), ch. 2

    Francis Bacon, La Nouvelle Atlantide, ed. by Michèle Le Doeuff, trans. by Michèle Le Doeuff and Margaret Llasera (Paris: GF-Flammarion, 1995)

    Denise Albanese, 'The New Atlantis and the uses of utopia', English Literary History, 57 (1990), 503-28

    I. F. Clarke, 'From space to time: the future is another place', Futures, 22 (1990), 752-60

    David Renaker, 'A miracle of engineering: the conversion of Bensalem in Francis Bacon's New Atlantis', Studies in Philology, 87 (1990), 181-93

    Lewis S. Feuer, 'Francis Bacon and the Jews', Jewish Historical Studies, 29 (1982-86), 1-25

    J. Peter Zetterberg, 'Echoes of nature in Salomon's House', Journal of the History of Ideas, 43 (1982), 179-93

    J. C. Davis, Utopia and the Ideal Society: A Study of English Utopian Writing, 1516-1700 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1981), ch. 5

    David Spitz, 'Bacon's New Atlantis: a reinterpretation', Midwest Journal of Political Science, 4 (1960), 52-61

    E. D. Blodgett, 'Bacon's New Atlantis and Campanella's Civitas Solis: a study in relationships', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 46 (1931), 763-80

    Rosalie L. Colie, 'Cornelis Drebbel and Salomon de Caus: two Jacobean models for Salomon's House', Huntington Library Quarterly, 18 (1954-55), 245-69

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    8. Burgh, James
    1. Primary

    James Burgh, 'An Account of the . . . Cessares (1764)', in Utopias of the British Enlightenment, ed. by Gregory Claeys, Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994)
    2. Secondary

    Carla Hay, James Burgh: Spokesman for Reform in Hanoverian England (Washington, DC, 1982)

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    9. Burton, Robert
    1. Recommended Edition

    Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy, ed. by Thomas C. Faulkner, Nicholas K. Kiessling and Rhonda L. Blair, vol. I: Text (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989)
    2. Secondary

    Jean Starobinski, '"Démocrite parle": L'utopie mélancolique de Robert Burton'', Le Débat, 29 (1984), 49-72

    J. C. Davis, Utopia and the Ideal Society: A Study of English Utopian Writing, 1516-1700 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1981), ch. 4

    André Stegmann, 'Le temps rituel de l'utopie selon cinq utopies des années 1620', Annales de Bretagne et des Pays de l'Ouest, 83 (1976), 337-47

    J. Max Patrick, 'Robert Burton's utopianism', Philological Quarterly, 27 (1948), 345-58

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    10. Campanella, Tomasso
    1. Primary
    1. Recommended Edition

    Tommaso Campanella, La città del sole: dialogo poetico / The City of the Sun: A poetical dialogue [1623], ed. and trans. by Daniel J. Donno (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1981)
    2. Other Acceptable Translations

    Tommaso Campanella, The City of the Sun, trans. by A. M. Elliott and R. Millner, introd. by A. L. Morton (London: Journeyman, 1981)

    Note: there are also a number of older translations of Campanella's work. None of these are entirely satisfactory. In particular, the 1885 translation by T. W. Halliday, which is fairly widely available (not least on the internet) is not reliable, particularly in respect of its laconic treatment of Campanella's passages about sex and reproduction.
    3. Editions of the Original Text

    Thomas Campanella, La città del Sole, ed. by Luigi Firpo (Rome: Laterza, 1997)

    Tommaso Campanella, La città del sole [1602, 1623], ed. by Norberto Bobbio (Turin, 1941)
    2. Secondary

    Thomas Renna, 'Campanella's City of the Sun and late Renaissance Italy', Utopian Studies, 10 (1999), 13-25

    Lina Bolzoni, 'Una pretesa di libertà: poesia, magia, profezia in Tommaso Campanella', in Storia della letteratura italiana, ed. by Enrico Malato, vol. V (Rome: Salerno editrice, 1997), pp. 869-902

    John M. Headley, Tommaso Campanella and the Transformation of the World (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1997)

    William Eamon, 'Natural magic and utopia in the cinquecento: Campanella, the della Porta circle, and the revolt of Calabria', Memorie Domenicane, n.s. 26 (1995), 369-402

    J. Dougherty, 'Geometries of Perfection: Atlantis, Utopia and the City of the Sun', Soundings, 69 (1986), 310-25

    Anthony Grafton, 'Humanism, magic and science', in The Impact of Humanism on Western Europe, ed. by Anthony Goodman and Angus MacKay (London: Longman, 1990), pp. 99-117

    Marziano Guglielminetti, 'Tommaso Campanella: Profezia, utopia e poesia filosofica', in Storia della civiltà letteraria italiana, ed. by G. Barberi Squarotti, vol. III: Manierismo e Barocco (Turin: UTET, 1990), pp. 269-97

    Renato Uglione, ed. La città ideale nella tradizione classica e biblico-cristiana: atti del Convegno nazionale di studi (Torino 1985), Regione Piemonte (Turin: Assessorato alla Cultura, 1987)

    Roland Crahay, 'L'Utopie religieuse de Campanella', in D'Érasme à Campanella, ed. by Jacques Marx, Problèmes d'histoire du christianisme 15 (Brussels: Éditions de l'Université de Bruxelles, 1985), pp. 119-31

    Luigi Firpo, L'utopia nell'eta' della controriforma (Turin: G. Giappichelli, 1977)

    Gianni Carlo Sciolla, ed. La città ideale nel Rinascimento, introd. by Luigi Firpo (Turin: UTET, 1975)

    L. M. Batkin, 'The paradox of Campanella', Diogenes: International Review of the Humane Sciences (1973), 77-97

    B. M. Bonansea, Tommaso Campanella: Renaisance pioneer of modern thought (Washington, DC: Catholic University of America Press, 1969)

    B. M. Bonansea, 'The political thought of Tommaso Campanella', in Studies in Philosophy and the History of Philosophy, ed. by John K. Ryan, vol. 2 (Washington, DC: 1963), pp. 211-48

    E. D. Blodgett, 'Bacon's New Atlantis and Campanella's Civitas Solis: a study in relationships', Publications of the Modern Language Association, 46 (1931), 763-80

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    11. Cardano, Girolamo

    A. Corsano, 'Jérôme Cardan et l’utopie', in Les utopies à la Renaissance, ed. by W. Lameere (Brussels: Presses Universitaire Belges, 1963)

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    12. Cavendish, Margaret

    Note: see further James Fitzmaurice's Margaret Cavendish Bibliography.
    1. Primary

    Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle, The Description of a New World called the Blazing World: And other writings, ed. by Kate Lilley, Pickering Women's Classics (London: Pickering & Chatto, 1992)
    2. Secondary

    Deborah Boyle, 'Fame, Virtue, and Government: Margaret Cavendish on Ethics and Politics', Journal of the History of Ideas, 67 (2006), 251-90

    Nicole Pohl, '"Of mixt natures": questions of genre in Margaret Cavendish's The Blazing World', in A Princely Brave Woman: Collected Essays on Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle, ed. by Stephen Clucas (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2003)

    Stephen Clucas, ed. A Princely Brave Woman: Collected Essays on Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2003)

    Line Cottegnies and Nancy S. Weitz, eds., Worlds of My Own: Essays on Genre and Poetics in the Writings of Margaret Cavendish, 2001)

    E. L. Bonin, 'Margaret Cavendish's dramatic utopias and the politics of gender', Studies in English Literature, 1500-1900, 40 (2000), 339-54

    O. Holmesland, 'Margaret Cavendish's Blazing World: Natural art and the body politic', Studies in Philology, 96 (1999), 457-79

    Anna Battigelli, Margaret Cavendish and the Exiles of the Mind (Lexington, KY: University Press of Kentucky, 1998)

    Anna Battigelli, 'Between the glass and the hand: the eye in Margaret Cavendish's Blazing World', 1650-1850: Ideas, Aesthetics and Inquiries in the Early Modern Era, 2 (1996), 25-38

    Amy Boesky, Founding Fictions: Utopias in Early Modern England (Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1996), ch. 4

    Ellayne Fowler, 'Margaret Cavendish and the ideal commonwealth', Utopian Studies, 7 (1996), 38-48

    Carrie Hintz, '"But one Opinion": Fear of Dissent in Cavendish's New Blazing World', Utopian Studies, 7 (1996), 25-37

    Hilda Smith, Reason's Disciples: Seventeenth Century English Feminists (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1982)

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    13. Comenius, Jan Amos
    1. Primary

    Jan Amos Comenius, Panorthosia or Universal Reform, Chapters 1-18 and 27, trans. by A. M. O. Dobbie (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1995)

    Jan Amos Comenius, Panorthosia or Universal Reform, Chapters 19-26, trans. by A. M. O. Dobbie (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1993)
    2. Secondary

    Dagmar Capková, 'The educational plans of J. A. Comenius in 1646: from a diary sent to English colleagues', History of Education, 7 (1978), 95-103

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    14. Bergerac, Savinien Cyrano de
    1. Primary

    Savinien Cyrano de Bergerac, Other Worlds: The comical history of the states and empires of the moon and sun, ed. by Geoffrey Strachan (London: Oxford University Press, 1965)

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    15. Defoe, Daniel
    1. Primary

    Daniel Defoe, The Life and Strange Surprizing Adventures of Robinson Crusoe of York, Mariner [1719], ed. by J. Donald Crowley (London: Oxford University Press, 1965)
    2. Secondary

    Louis James, 'From Robinson to Robina, and beyond: Robinson Crusoe as utopian concept', in Utopias and the Millennium, ed. by Krishan Kumar and Stephen Bann (London: Reaktion, 1993), pp. 33-45

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    16. Diderot, Denis
    1. Primary

    Denis Diderot, 'Supplement to Bougainville’s Voyage', in Political Writings, ed. by John Hope Mason and Robert Wokler, CTHPT (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1992)

    Online text of an English translation of Diderot's Supplément.
    2. Secondary

    Kathleen Wellman, 'Physicians and philosophes: physiology and sexual morality in the French Enlightenment', Eighteenth-Century Studies, 35 (2002), 267-77

    Georges Van Den Abbeele, 'Utopian sexuality and its discontents: exoticism and colonialism in Le Suppléément au voyage de Bougainville', L'Esprit Créateur, 24 (1984), 43-52

    Dena Goodman, 'The structure of political argument in Diderot's Le Suppléément au voyage de Bougainville', Diderot Studies (1983), 123-39

    Christie V. McDonald, 'The Reading and Writing of Utopia in Denis Diderot's Supplément au voyage de Bougainville', Science Fiction Studies, 3 (1976)

    See further the sample bibliography for Le Supplément au voyage de Bougainville at the Bronx-Upper Manhattan Foreign Language Consortium at CUNY.

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    17. Doni, Francesco

    Note: as far as we are aware, there is no English translation of Doni's I Mondi.
    1. Primary

    Anton Francesco Doni, I Mondi (Venice: F. Marcolini, 1552) [Gallica no. N072373]

    Anton Francesco Doni, I mondi e Gli inferni, ed. by Patrizia Pellizzari, introd. by Marziano Guglielminetti (Turin: Einaudi, 1994)

    Carlo Curcio, ed. Utopisti e riformatori sociali del Cinquecento: A. F. Doni - U. Foglietta - F. Patrizi da Cherso - L. Agostini (Bologna, 1941)
    2. Secondary

    Paul F. Grendler, 'Utopia in Renaissance Italy: Doni's "New World"', Journal of the History of Ideas, 26 (1965), 479-94

    Luigi Firpo, L'utopia nell'eta' della controriforma (Turin: G. Giappichelli, 1977)

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    18. Eberlin von Günzberg, Johann
    1. Primary

    Note: as far as we are aware, there is no English translation of Wolfaria.

    Johan Eberlin von Günzburg, 'Wolfaria', in Ausgewählte Schriften, vol. I, Neudrucke deutscher Litteraturwerke des XVI und XVII Jahrhunderts, nos. 138-41 (Halle, 1896), pp. 107-31
    2. Secondary

    Susan Groag Bell, 'Johan Eberlin von Günzburg's Wolfaria: the first Protestant utopia', Church History, 36 (1967), 3-20 or 122-39

    Miriam Eliav-Feldon, Realistic Utopias: The ideal imaginary societies of the Renaissance, 1516-1630 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1982)

    ^
    19. Eliot, John
    1. Primary

    John Eliot, The Indian Grammar (Cambridge, Mass.: Marmaduke Johnson, 1666)
    2. Secondary

    N. E. Tanis, 'Education in John Eliot's Indian utopias 1645-1675', History of Education Quarterly, 10 (1970), 308-28

    ^
    20. Fénelon, François
    1. Recommended Edition

    François de Fénelon, Telemachus, Son of Ulysses [1699], ed. and trans. by Patrick Riley, Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994)
    2. Secondary

    E. Bury, 'Fénelon as a pedagogue', Dix-Septième Siècle, 206 (2000)

    ^
    21. Filarate

    Luigi Firpo, 'La città ideale del Filarete', in Studi in memoria di Gioele Solari (Turin: 1956), pp. 11-59

    ^
    22. Foigny, Gabriel de
    1. Primary

    Foigny, Gabriel de, The Southern Land, Known, ed. and trans. by David Fausett (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 1993)

    Gabriel de Foigny, La Terre Australe connue (1676), ed. by Pierre Ronzeaud, Société des textes français modernes 191 (Paris: Société des textes français modernes, 1990)
    2. Secondary

    M. T. Bovetti Pichetto, 'Gabriel de Foigny, utopista e libertino', in Studi sull'Utopia, ed. by Luigi Firpo (Florence: Leo S. Olschki, 1977), pp. 189-222

    ^
    23. Glanvill, Joseph
    1. Primary

    Jackson I. Cope, '"The Curpi-Cosmits": Glanvill on latitudinarian anti-enthusiasm', Huntington Library Quarterly, 17 (1954), 269-86 [transcribes from MS an earlier version of the work below]

    Joseph Glanvill, 'Anti-Fanatical Religion and Free Philosophy. In a Continuation of the New Atlantis', in Essays on Several Important Subjects in Philosophy and Religion (London, 1676; repr. Stuttgart, 1976)
    2. Secondary

    Jackson I. Cope, Joseph Glanvill, Anglican Apologist (St Louis: Washington University Press, 1956)

    Sacha Talmor, Glanvill: The Uses and Abuses of Scepticism (Oxford: Pergamon, 1981)

    ^
    24. Godwin, Francis
    1. Primary
    1. Recommended Edition

    Francis Godwin, 'The Man in the Moon' and 'Nuncius inanimatus', ed. by Grant McColley (Northampton, MA, 1937)
    2. Other Editions

    Francis Godwin, The Man in the Moon, ed. by John A Butler, Publications of the Barnabe Riche Society 3 (Ottawa: Dovehouse Editions, 1995). To be read in conjunction with R. M. Philmus's damaging review in Science Fiction Studies 23:2 (1996).

    Francis Godwin, The Man in the Moone, ed. by Andy Johnson and Ron Shoesmith (Little Logaston, Woonton, Almeley, Herefordshire: Logaston Press, 1996)
    2. Secondary

    H. Neville Davis, 'Bishop Godwin's "Lunatique Language"', Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, 30 (1967), 296-316

    ^
    25. Gott, Samuel
    1. Primary

    Samuel Gott, Nova Solyma, the Ideal City; or, Jerusalem Regained. An anonymous romance written in the time of Charles I, ed. and trans. by W. Begley, 2 vols (London: John Murray, 1902)

    Samuel Gott, Novae Solymae libri sex. Sive institutio Christiani (London: John Legat, 1649)
    2. Secondary

    J. C. Davis, Utopia and the Ideal Society: A Study of English Utopian Writing, 1516-1700 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1981), ch. 6

    ^
    26. Hall, Joseph
    1. Primary

    Joseph Hall, Another World and Yet the Same, trans. by J. M. Wands, Yale Studies in English 190 (New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1981)
    2. Secondary

    Elizabeth McCutcheon, 'Joseph Hall's Mundus alter et idem: utopian dream turned comic nightmare', in Acta Conventus Neo-Latini Abulensis: Proceedings of the Tenth Interna

    ...more tolerance from the left

    OW is INCLUSIVE. Liberal sites constantly discriminate.

    Posted by: Obama-Rama at February 19, 2007 2:58 PM

    Like newsbusters or SeAN Hannity's sites or a host of other right wing sites.
    As soon as they see a dissenting post they BAN THEM.

    Factor,
    I noticed Olbermann's fans tend to think like a cult. He's beyond crticism. They deny he's biased and then they bash Bush! Look I don't like Bush either. But Olbermann is hardly a good anti-Bush spokesman. He has skeletons in his closet and is a pedophile. He's a radical who cheers all bad news! He's a cheerleader for Georg Soros. Yet he denies it!

    This discussion has gone a little astray.

    No one asked about your politics, really, no one cares, if you don't believe it file to run in the next election for any office you want.

    The question was if you wanted him to continue to put the effort into keeping the site up.

    I vote YES. If it would help, cut off the comment section. I'd still visit everyday.


    I SAID (go slowly now) "OLBERMANNWATCH" is inclusive.

    See the liberal mind at work? You can almost HEAR the wheels turning...

    I vote YES- and concur with Doc; cut the comments section.

    Debunking the Myths about "Cutting Funding" for the War

    The key talking point of supporters of indefinitely continuing the U.S. occupation of Iraq boils down to this: there is nothing Congress can do to compel the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq except "cut the funding," and cutting the funding would hurt the troops.

    So far this argument has been quite effective at cowing the leadership in Congress; indeed, until now the leadership has mostly echoed this argument.
    It's not surprising: this argument has not been seriously challenged in the media, and in fact, according to recent polls, it's partly accepted by a majority of the public. Recent polls indicate that a majority wants Congress to take action to bring the troops home within a year, but a majority also opposes "cutting the funding." Of course this is a chicken-and-egg situation: the media take cues from the leadership of the parties, the party leaderships take cues from the media, and the public takes cues from the parties and the media.

    But so long as the Congressional leadership fails to challenge the view that there is nothing that they can do except cut the funding, and cutting the funding would harm the troops, the war will not end.

    There is no question that the troops are in danger. They are in danger because they are in Iraq. The simplest way to remove them from danger is to remove them from Iraq.

    There is no serious question that regardless of what path Congress takes towards promoting a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, as long as U.S. troops are in Iraq Congress is going to make sure that U.S. troops have equipment for self-protection. In fact, Democrats in Congress arguably have been more concerned about protecting the troops in Iraq than the Administration, on questions like body armor and armoring of vehicles, for example.

    Would an orderly withdrawal (or "redeployment") of U.S. troops from Iraq increase the danger to U.S. troops? Obviously, after the withdrawal the troops would be in much less danger. How about while they are being withdrawn? While there certainly would not be zero danger, there is no reason to think that the danger would increase, and every reason to think that it would decrease. There may well be some armed groups in Iraq who have a specific goal of killing American soldiers, and perhaps such groups would continue to try to kill American soldiers even if it were clear that U.S. soldiers were withdrawing, but there is no reason to think that an orderly withdrawal would increase this risk. On the other hand, the bulk of the insurgency is clearly motivated by a desire to drive U.S. forces from Iraq, and since attacking U.S. troops is a risky enterprise, there is every reason to believe that if the U.S. were to demonstrate the intention to withdraw its forces attacks on U.S. forces would decrease. In fact, in the past insurgent groups negotiating with U.S. officials have offered to cease attacks on U.S. forces if the U.S. would set a timetable for withdrawal. So it is likely that establishing such a timetable would make U.S. troops safer, even during the withdrawal.

    Would withdrawing from Iraq give "victory" to our enemies? Only children and adults who have lost the ability to reason allow themselves to be ruled by this logic. A rational person asks first: what is in my interest? If extricating themselves from a dangerous enterprise that is gaining them nothing is in their interest, rational people do extricate themselves, even at the "cost" of mockery by their "enemies."

    Is there any danger Congress will bring about a "precipitous" withdrawal? Is Congress capable of doing anything opposed to the President's policy in Iraq precipitously? Look how long it took the House to pass a non-binding resolution against the increase in troops - a resolution that still has not passed the Senate, although it was supported by a majority of Senators.

    The mostly likely outcome is that Congress could, using its power of the purse and other war powers, force the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq in the future. Even if Congress didn't appropriate a dollar of the President's request for more funding, enough money has already been appropriated to cover an orderly withdrawal. And if more money were needed to cover an orderly withdrawal, Congress would approve it in a heartbeat.

    Does "supporting the troops" require "supporting their mission?" U.S. troops do not determine their "mission." Subject to the requirements of U.S. and international law, U.S. troops follow orders from our elected government. If Congress must "support the mission" in order to "support the troops," then Congress must support and fund whatever President Bush decides, even if it is criminally insane. According to this logic, if President Bush orders 150,000 U.S. troops to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge as a message to Osama Bin Laden that we are not to be trifled with, then Congress must not only support this, but approve tax dollars to pay for the buses to drive soldiers to the bridge.

    Representative Murtha and Speaker Pelosi have offered a way around the impasse about "cutting the funding": they plan to give the President all the money he asks for the war in Iraq, but put restrictions on the money that would have the effect of stopping the President from increasing troop deployments in Iraq and force him to begin withdrawing troops. While Representative Murtha deserves credit for trying to figure out a way around the impasse, it's not obvious that this strategy will work, so long as the myth that ending funding for the war will harm the troops is left unchallenged. It's quite clear how the President's supporters in Congress are going to argue against the Murtha plan: they are going to say that it is a sneaky way to cut the funding, and therefore, it will harm the troops.

    So Murtha plan or no, those who wish to end the war and bring the troops home would be well-advised to get busy pulling apart the argument that ending funding for the war will harm the troops. As Tom Matzzie of MoveOn has argued, Democrats need to directly rebut the Republican charge that Democrats are threatening the safety of American forces in the field by pushing restrictions on war funding. "Cutting off funding as described by the media and White House is a caricature," Matzzie told The Politico. "It has never happened in U.S. history, and it won't happen now."

    Olbermann is our leader! He speaks nothing but the truth! He never lies and honest. He's an outstanding role model for all Americans!

    He has skeletons in his closet and is a pedophile.

    If KO was a pedaphile he'd be in jail you moron.

    Age 18 is the age of consent.

    Oh brother.

    And you rant about OLBY'S lies ?

    LOL

    Look at this breaking news!

    Chargers hire Norv Turner as head coach By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
    35 minutes ago


    Norv Turner got his third shot at an NFL head coaching job when he was hired Monday by the San Diego Chargers, a week after the surprise firing of Marty Schottenheimer.

    The hiring came less than 24 hours after the Chargers wrapped up their interviews. The team planned to introduce Turner at an afternoon news conference.

    Turner, the San Francisco 49ers' offensive coordinator, was the only one of the six candidates who's been an NFL head coach, and the only one who didn't work on the defensive side of the ball.

    He inherits a team that was an NFL-best 14-2 last season but melted down in its playoff opener, a 24-21 loss to the New England Patriots.

    Turner had trouble winning in the regular season, going 58-82-1 in head coaching stints with Washington and Oakland. Schottenheimer had trouble winning in the postseason, going 5-13 overall and 0-2 with the Chargers.

    Turner was fired by the Raiders in 2005 after going 9-23 in two seasons

    Last Monday, the Chargers again surprised the NFL when president Dean Spanos fired Schottenheimer, citing a "dysfunctional situation between the coach and general manager A.J. Smith.

    Turner was San Diego's offensive coordinator in 2001, LaDainian Tomlinson's rookie year. Plus, he'll be able to help with the continued development of quarterback Philip Rivers, who was voted to the Pro Bowl but saw his play tail off down the stretch. Tomlinson was the league's MVP after setting NFL records with 31 touchdowns and 186 points.

    Turner was the original mastermind behind the Dallas offenses led by Hall of Famers Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin and NFL career rushing leader Emmitt Smith, winning two Super Bowl titles in three seasons as Dallas' offense coordinator.

    He had been the apparent front-runner to replace Bill Parcells in Dallas earlier this month before that job went to Wade Phillips.

    Turner wasn't specific about the reasons he didn't end up in Dallas, but it's widely assumed Turner wanted more control than owner Jerry Jones was willing to give — control Turner never had in Washington or Oakland.

    It's up for debate whether he'll get it with the Chargers, since Schottenheimer lost his power struggle with Smith.

    Turner had trouble winning in the regular season, going 58-82-1 in head coaching stints with Washington and Dallas. Schottenheimer had trouble winning in the postseason, going 5-13 overall and 0-2 with the Chargers.

    Turner was fired by the Raiders in 2005 after going 9-23 in two seasons.

    He was 49-59-1 with one trip to the playoffs with the Redskins. He was fired with three games left in the 2000 season, when he could produce only a 7-6 record with a $100 million roster.


    Nameless at 3:07-
    Thanks for the great cut and paste talking points... now, a question-

    Since all libs claim that the evil BushCo heard the public loud and clear back in November- when the voted the Dems into power- why haven't they DONE anything?

    I mean, yes, Murtha and other prominent defeatists have been consistent, but where is the unified party in control? Why hasn't this ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and UNNECESSARY war been stopped?

    Where are the resolutions (actual BINDING resolution) and bills to stop the madness of King George?

    I'll tell you where they are- hiding under their desks! They are all political cowards. At least Murtha is a coward who will go on record with his convictions. I don't agree with his position- but I have to give him credit.

    Let's hear from San-Fran Nancy and Harry Reid... better yet- let's see them actually DO SOMETHING!

    There are rumors Olbermann has slept with a 16 year old girl! There are quite a number of HS's in NY, he's known to go by them and use his fame to seduce little girls. He's a pedophile!

    I do like those young girls!

    The decider, thanks for your last post, you are living proof that liberalism is a mental disorder. It's 12:15, time for your meds.

    Posted by: NOT TAKING YOUR sh-t ANY LONGER at February 19, 2007 2:52 PM

    I read part of this insane rant by this coward and found if quite pathetic that this guy wrote a letter to GM trying to get Hannity to stop promoting people to buy GM cars and trucks. I am sure GM is quite upset that Hannity is promoting the buying of American cars to 20 million listeners of his radio show and the 1.2 million viewers of his TV show for free. I am sure they will ask him to stop because of one nutcase writing them a letter. Surely they wont just send said nutcase a letter saying sorry, please buy GM vehicles. You liberals are stupid. The funny part is, this guy probably drives Prius.

    Olbermann is a pedophile!

    "Murtha is a coward"

    Posted by: Obama-Rama at February 19, 2007 3:13 PM

    This bonified decorated war hero is called a coward by the sh-t stained loser Obama-Rama.

    Funny.
    You 're not fit to tie Jack's shoes...and you know it.

    The Democrats have been in power a month and a half. The GOp were in power 6 years, yet you never held them accountable for anything.
    What a phony you are !

    The Democrats FIRST ...get that....FIRST step are the resolutions, then they'll move forward from there.

    The Democrats haven't been doing anything?

    really?

    Take a gander what a real Congress does when in session unlike the Do NOthing GOP Congress:

    Senate Democrats' First Ten Bills of the 110th Congress

    1. Ethics reform, to clean up Congress so the government can get back to serving the American people.
    2. Raising the minimum wage, to give millions of American families an opportunity to achieve the American Dream.
    3. Medicare Prescription Drug program reform, to save seniors, the disabled, and American taxpayers money.
    4. Acting on the 9/11 Commission Recommendations, to fully secure our ports and borders and ensure that our first responders have the resources they need to keep America safe.
    5. Funding stem cell research, to open the promise of life-saving cures and treatments.
    6. Energy reform, to address global warming and put America on a path to energy independence.
    7. Easing the financial burden of college tuition, to increase accessibility for hardworking students and their families.
    8. Strengthening and rebuilding America's military, to ensure the American people get the real security they deserve.
    9. Comprehensive immigration reform, to fix America's broken immigration system.
    10. Pay-as-you-go legislation, so that Congress has to cover its costs just like American families do.

    All great bills.
    None of them touched while the republicans were in office.
    Could you see the GOP passing an ethics bills ?
    No, either could I!

    6 years of inaction by the GOP Congress and you give them a pass. 6 years of failures by your president, and another pass.

    1 1/2 months of democratic leadership and you're already crying !

    You couldn't be a bigger idiot Obama !

    The factor,
    The decider is a loser. He's some frustrated old man with no life. He's obsessed with Bush. He's a one topic pony. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
    I'll mock him and enrage him. Maybe he'll have a stroke and die!

    Decider-
    Go tell your "hero" Mister Murtha to "think about" taking some more Arab bribe money.

    Remember that? The F.B.I. really got his good side on camera.

    There are rumors Olbermann has slept with a 16 year old girl! There are quite a number of HS's in NY, he's known to go by them and use his fame to seduce little girls. He's a pedophile!

    Posted by: Body Mechanic at February 19, 2007 3:16 PM

    rumors probably started by a--holes like yourself..so you can then say it's true.

    What an moron !

    Rumors !

    Funnnneeeeee.

    Remember that? The F.B.I. really got his good side on camera.

    Posted by: Obama-Rama at February 19, 2007 3:26 PM

    Another lie...He took no money...never..not a cent.

    You have nothing to do but lie at these sites?

    The camera PROVED he didn't take a cent.

    What a moron !

    Decider,
    "2. Raising the minimum wage, to give millions of American families an opportunity to achieve the American Dream."
    Wow people can really live on $7.15 an hour!

    Decider- cat got your tongue on your ABSCAM hero worship? Hmmmmm... come to think of it- John Kerry was a "decorate" war hero too...

    Did you know Kerry served in Vietnam?

    You beat me to the punch Bushkill.

    Everyone knows Jack Murtha didn't take that bribe money.
    Listen carefully to the tape.

    it's there for all but the hard of hearing and delusional like Obama.

    Olbermann takes bribe money from Al-Qaeda and Iran!

    No, Decider- you're absolutely right...
    Murtha (your "hero") said:

    "I'll have to think about it."

    When asked by F.B.I. agents to take money for political favors. My applogies.

    Minimum wage hasn't been raised in 10 years.
    yet you don't want it to be raised. Says a lot about you .

    Obama caught in another lie.

    What an idiot !

    He thinks no one will call him on his lies.

    I can't take your $50000 dollars today Osama, because I am under investigation, but lets do business for a while ( smaller bribes) and then later I will take your $50000.

    Of course, BushKill/Decider, you also have another "hero"- William (stuff the cash in your freezer) on the Homeland Security Committee.

    With Murtha wanting to surrender, and Jefferson raking it in- I feel safer already!

    "Minimum wage hasn't been raised in 10 years.
    yet you don't want it to be raised. Says a lot about you ."

    Did I say that? I just don't think a person van live off $7.15 an hour. Why not raise it to 412.00 an hour. That would be fair.

    Sorry, that was William (stuff the cash in your freezer) Jefferson I was referring to.

    Go Dems!

    I vote for keeping the site. Johnny Dollar gives us what has to be some of the best writing, analysis, and general Blue-blog (since that content and Countdown's are the same) fisking on the web.

    yes John kerry WAS a decorated war hero.

    George Bush was a war zero.

    The $5,000 reward for anyone from Bush's unit that can say they saw him there still lies unclaimed.
    Bush went AWOL.

    Facts are like kryptonite to the OLBYhaters and Bush apologists.

    Keith Olbermann is on the payroll of Hillary Clinton!

    BushKill/Decider- I gotta go for now (you know- as an eeeeeevil repuglican) I've got to go evict some old ladies out of thier homes, pollute the environment, and kick a few homeless persons in the ass.

    But, you keep telling yourself that we'll all be safer with Murtha, Kennedy, Pelosi, et al when dealing with the animals that want to kill us (even you).

    C-ya

    Bill Clinton served in the military honorably!

    Obama wants a failed war to continue. Wants more troops to die in a civil war.

    That makes him feel safe.

    Obama: hang your head in shame.

    Facts are like kryptonite to the Olbermann worshippers!

    1. Ethics reform, to clean up Congress so the government can get back to serving the American people
    The Decider at February 19, 2007 3:24 PM

    Does that mean putting an impeached, disbarred judge on the ethics committee?
    Does it mean giving a standing ovation to a man whom had $90000 dollars in bribes stuffed in his freezer?

    The RW'ers love to extol the failed policies of their heroes.

    They are incapable of ((((((thinking))))
    which means you adjust your views when they are not working.

    You RWer's always keep me amused.

    Facts are like kryptonite to the Olbermann worshippers!

    Posted by: Garfield at February 19, 2007 3:37 PM

    red wolf and his prison buddies can't even think for themselves.

    They even steal our phrases.

    What idiots !

    Keith Olbermann wants a failed war to continue. Wants more troops to die in a civil war.
    Without it he's have no show!
    Without it the Left would have nothing to discuss.
    Without it The Decider/Buffalo/Bushkills would have anything to cheer for!

    "red wolf and his prison buddies can't even think for themselves."

    I'm not Redwolf and never been to prison.
    Like you The Trailer park inbred Buffalo who collects food stamps.

    Cecelia, I hope all is going well with you and yours. The last time I saw you here you mentioned that you are busy with a family member who needs help.

    I know how difficult that can be. But its not nearly as difficult as not doing the right thing and feeling guilty for the rest of your life.

    I hope all goes well and we get to see you sometimes.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Bushkill Falls, Pennsylvania ,
    Why don't you get a life. All you do is bitch, whine and moan like a bitch! You contribute nothing of subsatnce than your cheerleading of the deaths of Americans. If there's another terror attack in America, you open a bottle of Champagne and celebraTE!

    Keep the site. Change the layout and content.

    You RWer's always keep me amused.

    Posted by: Bushkill Falls, Pennsylvania at February 19, 2007 3:39 PM

    Isn't it high time you gave back to the people who amuse you and made an effort not to bore us to tears?

    Olbermann is like Jim Jones. His followers are like a cult. I bet if he established a compound, Bushkills and Buffalo would go and worship their Messiah!

    Yes, I am the Messiah. I speak only the truth. I'm never wrong! My followers listen to my every word and do what I say! I also like young 16 year old girls! They're tasty!

    Janet,

    I can't tell you how much I appreciate your comments.

    I'm not too busy to post, I'm just bored with this current crowd who post identical comments day after day, the only variation being whether they close with "you suck", "you're pathetic", or "how can you criticise ANYTHING when Bush...".

    Cecelia,
    All the Olby Cult Followers have to say is that:
    Bush sucks!
    That's all they have to say!

    Cecelia, that is a sentiment I well understand.

    But I still miss your imput. You have a flair that is unique.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Grammie

    Is there a sandbox available where the liberal swine who piss on this site too frequently can go play with each other?

    It's scary that we share roads and air with these pathetic wretches.

    Cox : Are you indirectly implying you are the _cause_ for Keith O's popularity or lack thereof?

    Don't flatter yourself, his idiocy is what got him an extension and that in the land of the blind (aMESS nbc), the one -eyed is king!
    Keep it up bro, I read you so as not to watch him.

    Bush: I face Similar Challenges to George Washington

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    MOUNT VERNON, Va. -
    President Bush honored the 275th birthday of the nation's first president on Monday, likening George Washington's long struggle that gave birth to a nation to the war on global terrorism.


    "Today, we're fighting a new war to defend our liberty and our people and our way of life," said Bush, standing in front of Washington's home and above a mostly frozen Potomac River.

    Matt:

    You keep right on showing your ignorance and making your OWN side look worse by doing nothing but posting childish insults to so called 'liberals'.

    You have never put up a single coherant argument about anything that I have seen - you just spit insults at all those that disagree with you...just like a 6 year old.

    Anything that is 'liberal' is your enemy, and everything that you hate you also call 'liberal'. How convenient, and how ignorant!

    Democrats gave us slavery, abortion, jim crow laws, world wars 1 & 2, Korean War, Vietnam, the clintons, welfare state, medicare, social security (both enslave old people by the way), socialism, poverty, activist judges, piss-poor national education, james carville, keith olbersmurf, dan rather, (fill in Hollywood scum here), and defend the indefensible ACLU and NAMBLA.

    Republicans freed the slaves, ended segregation, defend the rights of the unborn and the sick, won the aforementioned wars Democrats got us into (with the notable exception of Vietnam, which they purposely lost), preserve the Constitution, clean up the streets, are tough on crime, preserve the 2nd amendment, the 1st amendment (all the amendments really), and treat people like equals regardless of race, creed, gender or age.

    And by reading the usual liberal scum on this site (and anywhere), is any of the above really a surprise?

    Sorry Georgie, Invading Iraq IS NOT defending our liberty , our people and our way of life.

    It's just making us more unsafe and generating a whole new generation of terrorists.


    Hey Woogy,

    There's a reason you deny being a liberal. Because even a know-nothing dickface like yourself knows you're whole ideology is discredited.

    Now die

    Matt, maybe you should take a few history courses after your shift at Dunking Donuts.

    Then you won't make such a fool of yourself like you did with your above post.

    Ihave never watched Olbermann in my life (except on sportscenter).I just read his lies and fairy tales on this blog. I would not give him the benefit of my viewership.
    I think the only thing that would get Olbermann fired from MSLSD is if he actually started reporting the truth.

    And by reading the usual liberal scum on this site (and anywhere), is any of the above really a surprise?

    Posted by: Matt at February 19, 2007 4:24 PM

    Yes it is a surprise, Mattie...b/c none of it is true.
    Don't have the patience or time to show you how each on your list is incorrect.

    BTW, did you finish HS ?

    75% of the American people disagree with you jokers at this site.

    Democrats gave us slavery and Jim Crow laws?

    Matt's been hitting the pipe again.

    MATT, MATT, MATT:

    I didn't 'deny' being a liberal. Being a 'liberal' is nothing to be ashamed of, especially after the way the Republicans have screwed everything up.

    All I did is point out how you discredit your OWN side EVERY time you make another insult spitting say nothing post blaming everything you think is bad on liberalism, and calling people things like 'dickface' - again, JUST like a typical 6 year old would do.

    Cecelia,
    All the Olby Cult Followers have to say is that:
    Bush sucks!
    That's all they have to say!
    Posted by: Garfield at February 19, 2007 3:58 PM

    Hmmm... this sounds familiar..."The liberals only criticize Bush and the war in Iraq but they offer no plan, they have no plan."

    Sean Hannity 5 nights a week for the last 4 years.

    Sean Hannity gets a Democratic spokesman on his show asks loaded questions, cuts off his quest when he or she goes to respond and says, "sorry we are all out of time."

    Saying Bush sucks would mean nothing if idiots like you could formulate a response to demonstrate other wise.

    You and your fellow cult members of Fox Noise can just as easily be persuaded that the Bush administration puts corporate profits before the lives of our soldiers (99% of which are from comparatively low income families)than you could be persuaded that evangelical leaders like Ted Haggard can not be gay after 6 weeks of homosexual deprogramming!

    The level of intellectual capability that comes from desperado's like you Brandon, Factor, is always a flat line amount. Obviously you are on a losing side. Conservatives hate Bush and liberals hate Bush. You are here for one reason - to squeak out some resemblance of significance in this world. Janet is the most pathetic in this practice of posing and pretending significance.

    Bush does suck, but more to the point - the last ten people in this nation who still admire him REALLY SUCK!!!!

    You suck!!! you democracy hating traitor to freedom of the press!

    the only variation being whether they close with "you suck", "you're pathetic", or "how can you criticise ANYTHING when Bush...".

    Posted by: Cecelia at February 19, 2007 3:57 PM

    Cecilia is one of the most mean spirited people going on this site.

    What a hypocrite she is !

    Is that Rudy is leading your leader Hillary?

    "FACTOR': "Ihave never watched Olbermann in my life".

    Then you are in no position to judge his show!

    "Janet is the most pathetic in this practice of posing and pretending significance".

    I see you know Grammie, CW !

    "Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."

    - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

    On February 22, HBO premieres Rory Kennedy's documentary The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib. The date is George Washington's birthday. There could be no more appropriate date to launch this documentary, because the experience of Abu Ghraib presents a direct challenge to the legacy of the greatest of America's Founding Fathers.

    Before America had a Constitution, a Bill of Rights or a Congress - before the institution of the Presidency - it had its first surviving institution, which was the Army. And its first commander-in-chief - the only one to bear that title without simultaneously being president - was the great militia veteran of the French and Indian War, a man whose experience in warfare towered over others, George Washington.

    Olbermann is a fair and balanced newsman. He speaks only the truth. That's hard for you Neocons to comprehend. His thought process is light years ahead you fools!

    But early in 2002, a later George W, one who knew no military service, decided he knew better than the Founding Father. The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib makes clear that what transpired in that notorious Iraqi prison was not the misdoings of a few "rotten apples," but rather the foreseeable consequence of policies shaped at the highest levels of the Bush Administration. We should keep in mind that Abu Ghraib itself contained abuse that was mild compared with incidents that occurred elsewhere, including more than one hundred deaths in detention - a significant portion of which are linked to torture.

    Venting at the constraints of international law, which they deemed quaint and outmoded, and seemingly ignorant of the proud American tradition behind that law, policymakers like Donald Rumsfeld and Alberto Gonzales were determined to dabble in what Vice President Cheney called the "dark side." The consequences of this gravely mistaken departure from America's foundational values have been exactly what Washington foresaw in his charge of September 1775: shame, disgrace and ruin.

    We should celebrate George Washington's birthday this Thursday by remembering the man and the values for which he stood. And we should redouble our efforts to restore that message of fundamental decency with which our nation came into being. While Congress took an important step forward with the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, it was caught by White House trickery the following year in the Military Commissions Act, which has stripped away the writ of habeas corpus, and thus left the Administration unaccountable for the mistreatment of prisoners. If we are to purge this nation of the shame of Abu Ghraib, habeas corpus must be restored, and offenders must be held to account.


    The name stealers are like little boys who have no friends, no ideas of their own, and nothing to do with their time.

    They offer nada.

    M Schultz,
    Did you know Olbermann seduces 16 year old girls!

    This is getting sad. Really sad. First he embraced the White House that slandered his wife and child. Then he hired the very Swiftboaters he condemned in '04. He also hired a rightwing blogger who once said ""John McCain is a contemptable [sic] human being. He makes my stomach churn and my bowels clench."

    Now this:

    "I do not support Roe vs. Wade. It should be overturned," the Arizona senator told about 800 people in South Carolina, one of the early voting states.

    In 1999 he said somethng very different:

    McCain said, "... in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." A spokesman said that McCain "has a 17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president."

    This is just one of the frantic flip-flops that have come to characterize McCain's current campaign. He has now earned the same characterization Hunter S. Thompson applied to Hubert Humphrey in 1968. He's running for President "like a rat in heat."

    And later this month he'll be speaking at the Discovery Institute, an activist group seeking to impose the teaching of creationism on all American schoolchildren. McCain now says he supports teaching "intelligent design" in our schools, although in 1999 he said it was a matter for local school boards.

    Apparently there's no limit to the amount of groveling McCain will endure to be President. He's become the kid in high school who'll gladly be the butt of the football team's pranks - or even its mascot - as long as they vote for him when he runs for Student Council. He's the "Kick Me" candidate. "Saint John" has become "Crawlin' John."

    I'm not one of those Democrats who had a period of infatuation with John McCain. I always looked at his overall record and considered it too conservative for me, although he broke from conservative orthodoxy in a few unexpected ways.

    But I admired his courage in captivity in Hanoi, despite my opposition to the Vietnam War. I also ppreciated his personal decency and his willingness to stand up to the bullying leaders of his own party. (That was a form of "courage in captivity," too.) That's all gone now. His groveling behavior toward people who treat him with contempt is pathetic to watch. His cave-in on torture legislation was particularly disappointing, since it eroded the moral authority he carried as a result of his own experience.

    The career of John McCain can now be summed up in one regrettable sentence: Desperate ambition was able to break him in a way that the North Vietnamese could not.

    What a mournful end to someone's biography - whatever happens in 2008.

    Olbermann is a pedophile!

    I actually could care less about Ted Haggard. I think most evangelicals Preachers are as crooked as democrats but the evangelicals themselves are good people.Your stupidity shows that you think all conservatives are evangelicals. I am not an evangelical but I do not hate them and I do not think they are the equivalent of Muslim extremist. I am also not a George Bush Zombie. I don't like the fact that Bush has increased the size of government and I don't like the deal with North Korea. George Bush is a democrat in the mold of JFK; he is not a conservative republican. There has not been a conservative republican in office since Ronald Reagan. The democrat party is now the party of the European socialist. There is no longer a JFK wing to the democrat party.

    File under: What a difference a year makes !

    Al Neuharth, the former Gannett chief, USA Today founder and currently weekly
    columnist for that newspaper, has had a change of heart. A year ago, in honor of President's Day, he stated that while
    he was often critical of George W. Bush, he did not, and probably would not
    ever, crack his list of the five worst presidents we've ever had. A year later
    he admits he was wrong. In his USA Today column, he announces that Bush has not
    only cracked the bottom five, he's now at the very bottom.

    Olbermann has no original thought. His program is like watching Nazi or Soviet propaganda. He just repeats the same thing over and over. He has a cult following. I would love to see him in a debate. He'd be exposed as a fool! He's an intellectual coward! The Olby Cultists really belive he's a newsman. He's a Clinton hack!

    By the way Decider/Coward Watch/Buffalo,
    Rudy is going to crush your leader Hillary in 08. Keep believing the Olby/Leftwing Media lie that the GOP won't nominate him. Republicans are going to vote fro Rudy to piss the Left off!

    Moron #1: Posted by: Coward Watch at February 19, 2007 4:38 PM

    Well ... let us think ... what usually happens is when a person starts a website (in this explianation) the person seems content with the website. After a while, however, the person gets sick and tired of caring for the website and quits the website. I am surprised that this has happened to Johnny Dollar.

    (P.S.: For the poll question, I answere D- Quit once Keith Olbermann beats Bill O' Rielly in the ratings)

    Craig Etchison, Ph.D., writes: "How to explain the exploding rates of cancer, birth
    defects, and radiation poisoning among Iraqis in the Basra region? How to
    explain a Department of Veterans Affairs study of 21,000 veterans of the Gulf
    War that found rates of birth defects were twice as great for male vets and
    three times as great for female vets who served in the Gulf War compared to vets
    who did not? How to explain a Washington Post report in January of 2006 that
    518,000 of the 580,000 Gulf War veterans were on disability, and over half on
    permanent disability. How to explain over 13,000 dead Gulf War veterans when
    only 250 were killed and 7,000 injured in the war itself?"

    Hey Buffalo,
    More new from your Muslism buddies:

    Cabbie Runs Down Students
    Religious Argument Leaves One Hospitalized

    POSTED: 5:01 pm CST February 18, 2007
    UPDATED: 7:12 pm CST February 18, 2007

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A local cab driver allegedly tried to run over two customers after a fight over religion became heated.

    The incident happened early Sunday morning on the Vanderbilt campus and left one man hospitalized and a cab driver arrested, said police

    Two students visiting from Ohio were coming from a bar downtown when they got into an argument with their driver over religion, said police. After they paid the driver he allegedly ran them down in a parking lot.

    Ibrihim Ahmned, of United Cab, was arrested and charged with assault, attempted homicide and theft. One of the passengers, Andrew Nelson, managed to outrun the cab but Jeremy Invus was taken to the Vanderbilt University Medical Center with serious injuries, said police.

    Ahmed has been convicted of misdemeanors including evading arrest in a motor vehicle and driving on a suspended license, said police.

    Ahmed was charged with theft because police said the license plate on his cab was listed as stolen. His bond is set at $300,000.

    Garfield: Ann Coulter said that Rudolph Giuliani is going to lose to Hillary Clinton in any '08 race ...

    I actually come to this site to read the views of the remaining hard core Bush supporters, whose positions seem incomprehensible to thinking people. Olbermann has almost nothing to do with it for me.

    I think I still know a few hard core Bush defenders personally, but I don't know a soul who is interested in defending him, or his policies in a one on one debate anymore. This seems in keeping with the cover their ears and say "yah, yah, yah" every time facts are pointed out that discredit the beliefs they cling to, despite all the hard evidence to the contrary. It's amazing - I never would have believed it!

    However, for the most part, all most of the hard core Bushies on this site want to do is call people names, say how 'stupid' we are, call us 'pussies', 'cowards', 'dickheads', question our patriotism, etc. ANYTHING but exchange real ideas laced with rational thought.

    What I still haven't grasped is just what drives these people, and thats why I keep coming back.

    There is no question that the troops are in danger. They are in danger because they are in Iraq. The simplest way to remove them from danger is to remove them from Iraq.

    This point is so obvious that it's amazing that it has to be stated at all. But it does.

    Obama,
    Ann Coulter is a Far Right as Olbermann is Far Left. She's not to be taken serious. Her and Olbermann should co-host a show.

    Concerning the above post on John Mccain:

    Said it before, I'll say it again: John McCain has become the Hubert H. Humphrey of the 21st century Republicans. He will literally say, do, and embrace anything or anyone he thinks may further his chances at the White House. And he's being used by Bush and Cheney much as LBJ used Humphrey.

    Also, McCain is definitely unstable, if even half of the accounts of his rages and odd behavior are true. The coming implosion won't be pretty. And we've already seen what an unstable president is doing to our country - do we really need another one?

    M Shultz,
    Since when do Leftists like you care about a person's personal life! I just love how the Left fears Rudy! That's why the GOP will nominate him. Just to piss you morons off!

    nameless: Mc Cain was acting awfully odd when he was on C-Span yesterday ...

    Ann Coulter is a disgraced extreme far right winger who 's been fired from every job she ever had.

    Keith Olbermann reports( and is truthful) on the shenanigans of the Bush Adminstration and has been excellent in every job he ever had.

    Garfield can only steal people's names.
    Not form any cogent thoughts.

    Buffalo,
    "There is no question that the troops are in danger. They are in danger because they are in Iraq. The simplest way to remove them from danger is to remove them from Iraq.
    This point is so obvious that it's amazing that it has to be stated at all. But it does."

    You want the troops to stay in Iraq. That way it helps the Democrats! Stop with your bullsh-t. As a fellow Leftist I like the troop deaths!

    Mr. Cox:

    Here's an idea. Keep the website. Get rid of the comments.

    McCain is a disaster waiting to happen.

    We've already had one disaster for 8 years, we don't need another one.

    I hope the GOP does nominate Giuliani.His baggage will ensure a democratic victory in 08'.
    Actually after 8 years of Bush , no sane American will vote republican in 08'.

    I guess we are getting in our last insults and put downs since the site holder is cancelling the website ---

    Olbermann is truthful!
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
    What a joke. He's a hack. He's a cheerleader for Hiallry!

    Oh looky, Bricks gone anonymous now (5:02 PM).

    And we've already seen what an unstable president is doing to our country - do we really need another one?

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 4:57 PM

    No, and that is why Hilary Clinton will be the next president. Bill Clinton will once again live in the White House and Sean Hannity can do his pussy cowardice routine every night.

    Having a Republican in the White House equals having the world hate America.

    The Evangelical KKK has no place in American politics!

    I hope this page is here after the Presidential elections of 08 so I can do as did after last Nov 7th and revisit all the blow hards that predicted the Republicans would hold power in both houses.

    8 mores years of the Clinton's in the White House means damage control and repair after the KKKhristians destroyed nation's reputation.

    Long live our constitutional democracy - death to theo-fascism!

    " hope the GOP does nominate Giuliani.His baggage will ensure a democratic victory in 08'."

    Hillary has no baggage. Are you kidding! It's funny the hypocrisy of the Left. You guys say that a person's private life doesn't matter. Except when it's a political opponent. Americans will see through The Leftist-Media complex's attackes on behalf of Hillary and will vote for Rudy, just to piss you clowns off.
    Hey why is Rudy leading Hillary in the Polls?

    Oh looky, Bricks gone anonymous now (5:02 PM).

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 5:07 PM

    ------------------------------------------------

    Spoken by ... an anonymous person --- huh ???

    "keep the website. Get rid of the comments"

    Good idea - One way to cut the traffic down to almost nothing.

    The 9/11 families have a lot of weight and credibility.They think Giuliani is a fraud.
    Plus his views on abortion, gays etc will alienate him from many on the Christian right.

    Now look how close the last two elections were.

    if the GOP loses any votes from the Christian right or anyone else, they are doomed.

    Now add in the Bush factor.
    Now remember that no GOP candidate is against the war.
    Remember that 75% of Americans are dead set against this war.

    Add all these factors up :

    The democrats will win in 08' going away.

    I hate anonymous posters!

    I sa --- keep the comments, get rid of the summary of Keith Olbermann's episodes. That would work ---

    Coward Watch,
    Draem on you Trailer Park fool!
    Rudy will beat that Hillary! So get ready for 8 more years of Republican rule!
    Dream on loser. Hillary is programmed and phoney. Rudy is the real deal.
    Not a poll driven White trash Bitch like Hillary!

    I mean the Democratic candidate will win going away, no matter who he or she is.

    Hillary won't be the nominee. You heard it here first!

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 5:14 PM


    Not much of a "here".

    Garfield can't account for any of these factors:

    What am I saying? Red Wolf couldn't think his way out of a paper bag !

    The 9/11 families have a lot of weight and credibility.They think Giuliani is a fraud.
    Plus his views on abortion, gays etc will alienate him from many on the Christian right.

    Now look how close the last two elections were.

    if the GOP loses any votes from the Christian right or anyone else, they are doomed.

    Now add in the Bush factor.
    Now remember that no GOP candidate is against the war.
    Remember that 75% of Americans are dead set against this war.

    Add all these factors up :

    The democrats will win in 08' going away.


    I love this. The left sh-t's it's pants at Rudy!
    Keep dreaming losers,Rudy will crush Hillary!
    He's also leading Hillary in the polls.
    The Christian Right will vote for him, to piss the Left off!

    Al Neuharth, the former Gannett chief, USA Today founder and currently weekly
    columnist for that newspaper, has had a change of heart. A year ago, in honor of President's Day, he stated that while
    he was often critical of George W. Bush, he did not, and probably would not
    ever, crack his list of the five worst presidents we've ever had. A year later
    he admits he was wrong. In his USA Today column, he announces that Bush has not
    only cracked the bottom five, he's now at the very bottom.

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 4:51 PM

    Wow, a left wing Bush hater says he hates Bush now more than he did a year ago. Then he dazzles us with his stupidity on the history of the United States. What a Shock! I bet William Arkin hates Bush now more than he did a year earlier too.
    Great Thanks..

    Woogy,
    The best nominee would be Bill Richardson. He's a Moderate Democrata and the most qualified of the field.

    yeah Hillary has a lot of baggage.

    Not !

    She knows how a White House is run. She has the women's sympathy vote for living with a philanderer.

    She has Congressional experience.
    She's a brilliant woman.

    All undeniable facts.

    Okay ! Who swipped The Joker's nickname ?!?!?

    "The Christian Right will vote for him, to piss the left off!"

    Damn! --- I knew I had been missing something. NOW it's all come clear - it's all about pissing off "the left"!

    "The democrats will win in 08' going away."

    Dream on inbred White trash! You want them to win so they can increase your food stamps allowance and give you a new trailer! No wonder GM laid your lazy ass off!

    Only THE FACTOR hasn't been swayed by Bush's extremely poor performance as president.

    I don't know of any intelligent person who was a Bush supporter who doesn't now admit they made a huge mistake.

    Remember, The Factor is a global warming denier.

    That alone discredits him in any point he makes.

    Damn Garfield, I hadn't heard you could buy a new trailer with food stamps!

    How about page called "Murdoch Watch" and we have daily discussions about what our founding fathers meant by a free press being vital to a free democracy?

    This page is anti-democracy freedom of the press hating blog with one purpose - getting revenge against a man who lifted the vail of deception on Fox.

    Long Democracy!

    Long live Keith Olbermann - American Hero!

    You rock Keith, there for you are the rock star of our day! Move over Obama!

    I think that going into Iraq was a smart idea and that the only reason that there is a war malase is primarily because the anti war left are infecting America with a pessimistic, defeatist attitude ---

    Garfield is now trying to join in on conversation after a week of stealing people's names and copying their POV.

    You were better as a thief.
    When you start to speak , Red Wolf, your ignorance shines thru very brightly.

    Anon 5:20: "The Factor" has actually been known to come on this site and quote Bill O'Reilly as his source of information.

    Is that a hoot or what?? LOL

    DUMBEST POST OF THE DAY:
    ( and you have some doozies to choose from with garfield posting)

    I think that going into Iraq was a smart idea and that the only reason that there is a war malase is primarily because the anti war left are infecting America with a pessimistic, defeatist attitude ---

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 5:22 PM

    If Red Wolf really is Garfield and the person who was vandalizing the website last week --- you really can transform your antics into different forms and identities ---

    It's nice to see this website considering it's unavoidable demise. However, you give yourself too much credit. You haven't made nearly the impact you believe you have. It's the same group of people who come here all the time to either slam Olbermann, or defend liberals from the bomb-throwing right.

    But, you should shut down. I'm sure you have more important things to do with your life than watch a show you don't like... put your own spin on it... for virtually no one to read.

    Seriously... get a life and read a book or something. Do something you can be proud of that doesn't involve you whining about the kid in high school you don't like.

    I think that going into Iraq was a smart idea and that the only reason that there is a war malase is primarily because the anti war left are infecting America with a pessimistic, defeatist attitude ---

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 5:22 PM

    yeah, the antiwar left was responsible for the non post war planning !

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    "I think going into Iraq was a good idea"...

    Then clearly, you are incapable of rational thought.

    "She has Congressional experience.
    She's a brilliant woman"

    SDhe has no core beliefs.
    She just does what's popular with in the polls.

    Rudy is a real leader.
    He went after the criminals in NYC.
    He cut taxes thus creating a boom in the city.
    He kicked Yasser Arafat out of a UN celebration.
    He returned donated money back to a Saudi Prince.
    he doesn't care what the Leftist media thinks.
    He closed an art exhibition that had a display insulting the Virgin Mary.
    he's a true leader that will do what's right.
    Not be a sock puppet like Hillary.
    He'll demolish her in debates.
    He's a leader, she's not!

    actually come to this site to read the views of the remaining hard core Bush supporters, whose positions seem incomprehensible to thinking people. Olbermann has almost nothing to do with it for me.

    I think I still know a few hard core Bush defenders personally, but I don't know a soul who is interested in defending him, or his policies in a one on one debate anymore. This seems in keeping with the cover their ears and say "yah, yah, yah" every time facts are pointed out that discredit the beliefs they cling to, despite all the hard evidence to the contrary. It's amazing - I never would have believed it!

    However, for the most part, all most of the hard core Bushies on this site want to do is call people names, say how 'stupid' we are, call us 'pussies', 'cowards', 'dickheads', question our patriotism, etc. ANYTHING but exchange real ideas laced with rational thought.

    What I still haven't grasped is just what drives these people, and thats why I keep coming back.
    WOOGY
    When do you actually win an argument Woogy? Every time you post something, it is more asinine than the last thing you posted.
    "I don't know anyone who defends Bush."
    What a surprise. The 2 people (your mom and grandmother) who will actually talk to you don't like Bush. What a shocker. Here is thought. The people who support Bush don't talk to you because you are an imbecile.

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 5:24 PM

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I would answer you ... but unfortunatel ... I am too depressed because the major league news maedis keep on raining down the same old, same old types of information about carbombs exploding and people being evacuated. If the left ever want to make it up to me --- please send me a belated St. Valentines Day package filled with heroism, service, morales, and a cand do spirit. You will not. You have lots and lots of depletion to show the American public, and very little good vibrations that I am sure are around every nook and cranny of Iraq that we are just not getting shown.

    tHIS BEARS REPEATING:

    Only THE FACTOR hasn't been swayed by Bush's extremely poor performance as president.

    I don't know of any intelligent person who was a Bush supporter who doesn't now admit they made a huge mistake.

    Remember, The Factor is a global warming denier.

    That alone discredits him in any point he makes.

    When you start to speak , Red Wolf, your ignorance shines thru very brightly.

    I'm not Red Wolf!
    Yes I steal names to give you on the Left a taste of your own medicine.
    Hey Bufalo/No name what's your obsession with Red Wolf anyway?
    Answer please?

    "The democrats will win in 08' going away."

    Dream on inbred White trash! You want them to win so they can increase your food stamps allowance and give you a new trailer! No wonder GM laid your lazy ass off!

    Posted by: Garfield at February 19, 2007 5:19 PM

    Hey Factor, how short is your memory? LAst Nov 7th you were saying the same thing.

    And as for GM - pumping out gas guzzling hogs while our GI's die for oil corporations - you suck you anti-American anti-troops coward!

    GM lays off workers because Japan and other foreign auto makers are selling more gas economy cars and for no other reason.

    Bush and the Republicans would never demand American auto makers push more gas economy cars simply because the Republican party is the party of Chevron-Mobile-Exxon-BP.

    White trash comes from low lifes like you Factor! Tell your mom what her boyfriend did to you when you were ten and she left you home alone with him while she went out to turn tricks for her crack habit, instead of coming here and pretending you matter. I would tell you to go enlist but I know the Army has no place for cowards like you!

    I'm friends with the Joker. I also stael names to mock the Olbermann Cult who follow a pedophile!

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 5:28 PM

    Obama ignores that the Iraqis want us out of their counry BY A WIDE margin. The American people want us out of Iraq too.

    yet these little pissants want us to stay.

    Coward Watch/The Buffalo

    You're just mad your Mom and Dad were brother and sister!

    Joker, Garfield etc.:
    The only ones you are mocking are yourselves with your pitiful posts.

    You don't say a damn thing and do nothing but take up space.

    The joke's on you fools !

    Iraq has become ground zero for the war on terror.

    We are not leaving that nation for either the Iraqis or for the crazy leftists until evil has been stalked down and anhilated into the deep dark seemy bowls of Hell.

    Keep on whining, Iraqi/anti war civilians. We stay

    Factor, oh Factor:

    Contrary to your stereotype of people like me, I know a LOT of conservatives, some of whom USED to verbally defend Bush. Those same people won't even attempt to do that any longer. I think I made what I was saying very clear, but slower folks like yourself always need to have it spelled out, and I'm sure thats why you think blowhards like O'Reilly are heros.

    One more thing 'Facter' (snicker, snicker), if YOU think something I posted is 'asinine', then it probably was pretty smart. And - if YOU think I lost an argument, then I must have won!

    The left sh-t's it's pants ....

    "sh-t" can arguably be possessive as in "sh-t's foul odor permeated Garfield's trailer.," but your are using it as a verb, and the apostrophe is clearly incorrect.

    Then you contact "it is" into "it's" for some unknown reason.

    As a result, you are saying: "The Left sh-t is it is pants."

    Since Rudy (Ramirez), who I would vote for over Rudy Guiliani anyday, is not here to translate, what are you saying? Is it some type of trailer park gibberish or Klan code?

    Please check around Dothan. I am sure you can find an ESL class.

    As someone with some affinity for the Left, however, thank you. The fact that you are on the Right raises the IQ level of both sides.

    When you start to speak , Red Wolf, your ignorance shines thru very brightly.

    I'm not Red Wolf!
    Yes I steal names to give you on the Left a taste of your own medicine.
    Hey Bufalo/No name what's your obsession with Red Wolf anyway?
    Answer please?

    Posted by: The joker aka Garfield at February 19, 2007 5:29 PM

    "Answer please" begging for attention as in "I never had a father"

    Admitting to posting under multiple names makes you what? A coward that's what. Plain and simple!

    Redwolf and you are the only ones who steal names and create new ones with every post. The mark of ignorant cowards who have zip for brains. Fox Noise is engineered for brain dead idiots like you. Go turn on Hannity and wallow in his mysonginist cry baby rants about Nancy and Hilary.

    Birds of feather.

    Pathetic pussy cowards!

    We are not leaving that nation for either the Iraqis or for the crazy leftists until evil has been stalked down and anhilated into the deep dark seemy bowls of Hell.

    Keep on whining, Iraqi/anti war civilians. We stay

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 5:35 PM

    We going to kill everyone in the Middle east ?

    No one..not one general...no one thinks we will ever defeat all of the terrorist in Iraq.

    Did someone drop u on your head as a child?

    Your points are beyond the realm of reason.

    Approximately 125,000 years ago, the Earth was around three to five degrees Celsius warmer on average than it is today and sea levels were four to six meters higher. The ice sheets covering Greenland's land mass have trapped a significant amount of that water that used to be in the sea, thereby lowering sea levels, Susan Solomon, senior scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (and the co-chair of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) told attendees at the American Association for the Advancement of Science taking place in San Francisco.
    If the land ice on Greenland were to melt completely, the sea levels could rise six or seven meters again, but the current scientific models indicate it will take thousands of years. Both land and sea ice around Greenland are currently melting. (Sea ice is also melting, but it doesn't raise sea levels because it's already in the water.)
    "It would take centuries, if not millennia, to get a four to six meter rise" in sea levels, she said. Global temperatures would have to be raised by 1.9 to 4.6 degrees Celsius and be kept that way for several centuries, she added.

    More undisputed global warming proof from the global warming denier. Great thanks.

    Coward watch/Buffalo,
    When your Cult leader was in Tampa at Bahama Breeze last year,I spat on him. He did nothing and got security to escort me and had the cops called on me. If he's such a brave american, why didn't he stand up for himself. When I accused him of supporting Muslim Terrorists why didn't he answer back. he was scared like a little bitch.
    That's what you get when you confront Child Molesters!

    "Iraq has become a ground zero for terrorists"

    And who made it that way? Can you spell US?

    You might add "Iraq has become a ground zero for the mass production of more and more terrorists", and this will continue as long as we are there.

    I'm friends with the Joker. I also stael names to mock the Olbermann Cult who follow a pedophile!

    Posted by: The peguin at February 19, 2007 5:32 PM

    I'd recognize Red Wolf's misspellings anywhere.

    what a fool !

    Buffalo,
    What's your obssesion with Red Wolf?
    Answer please?

    Ok enough for one day. M Shcultz - you rock. I got a good laugh from your piece above about Garfield "sh-t's" his pants.

    This is childs play trading barbs with brain dead pin heads like this.

    I am going for now but I hope this page hangs around long enough for the 08 elections so we all can have our satisfaction once again here with the last 10 people who think Bush is a man of God who just happens to serve the oil companies better than his nation!

    noname:

    Statement 1: No, we are going against terrorists, not every single person in the Middle East.

    Statement 2: I think that we can. We can win the war on terror once the anti war left stops squawking and stipulating the promises of negative, defeatist political spolied brats.

    Statement 3: You know I am correct.

    Statement 4: The realm of reason is the place that we debate. If you can not argue properly, instead enter a childish game of tag based on insults, please do not post to me. Another please: please stop bringing up phony, loser conspiracy theories that are aimed against the president. America is fast getting sick of them ---

    I vote "NO". Olbermann is simply going to have a meltdown in the not so distant future. We all know it's going to happen. Let's all stick around and enjoy it.

    I'm obbsessed with Red Wolf because I'm a White Trah loser. I'm a racist scum who hates Spanish people because they work harder than Union White Trash losers like me! I'm still mad GM laid me off for laziness. I don't have money to repaint MY TRAILER PARK!

    Does anyone know why Countdown has taken down there forum? Some pretty good post's on there.

    Susan Solomon, senior scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (and the co-chair of the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) told attendees at the American Association for the Advancement of Science taking place in San Francisco.

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which consists of 2500 of the world's best scientists ALL AGREED that not only is global warming occurring, but it's man made.

    The Factor brings up an organization that has disproved Factor's right wing talking points.

    How funny is that !

    The Factor, 5:37 P.M.:

    No, your scientist is mistaken. If the icebergs over at the top of the world melt, then we still will get flooded on land because water spreads. Ice can't spread over distance (not the ice that I am thinking of) to the degree where flooding exists.

    I'm obbsessed with Red Wolf because I'm a White Trah loser. I'm a racist scum who hates Spanish people because they work harder than Union White Trash losers like me! I'm still mad GM laid me off for laziness. I don't have money to repaint MY TRAILER PARK!

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 5:43 PM

    Red Wolf has admitted to being part Spanish in the past, gave his ass away on this one.
    Red Wolf had to change his name.
    He was tired of being humiliated with his POV.

    Coward Watch,
    What's your email?
    You call me a coward from the safety from your trailer but wouldn't be man enought to face me face to face! You'rs a bitch ass pussy.
    Give me your email ansd let's settle this out of the Blogosphere?
    You want it, bring it on.

    The same goes for Mr. Shultz.

    So Redwolf is the Hispanic only that posts on here?
    Are that ignorant. You obviously are obssed with him.
    Hey let me get your email so we can settle this out of the blogosphere!
    Come on pussy, bring it on!

    Statement 1: No, we are going against terrorists, not every single person in the Middle East.

    THE TERRORIST WEREN'T IN IRAQ UNTIL THE US INVADED THEM.

    Statement 2: I think that we can. We can win the war on terror once the anti war left stops squawking and stipulating the promises of negative, defeatist political spolied brats.

    THIS IS THE OLDEST PHONY ARGUMENT IN THE BOOK. BLAMING LOSING A WAR ON THE ANTIWAR PEOPLE.DIDN'T WORK DURING THE VIETNAM WAR , NOT WORKING NOW EITHER.


    Statement 3: You know I am correct.

    NOTHING YOU SAID MAKES SENSE, AND YOU'RE CORRECT?
    YOU NEED A THERAPIST.

    Statement 4: The realm of reason is the place that we debate. If you can not argue properly, instead enter a childish game of tag based on insults, please do not post to me. Another please: please stop bringing up phony, loser conspiracy theories that are aimed against the president. America is fast getting sick of them ---

    BASED ON THE NOV MIDTERMS, AMERICA HAS HAD IT WITH YOUR PRESIDENT. DENYING IT JUST MAKES YOU LOOK DUMBER THAN YOU ALREADY LOOK.

    As long as Robert Cox and Johnny Dollar are motivated to do this, I would encourage the continuation of the website.

    I'm surprised that MSNBC kept Keith around. His ratings are lousy. He's not taken seriously by the mainstream. He has a small but loyal following from the moveon crowd.

    He doesn't need olbermannwatch to expose his lies and his simple-minded observations. Any grade schooler would win a debate with the dimwit. As he has done before, he will implode again...history does repeat itself. OW will neither help nor hurt that eventuality; it will just make it much more fun as the roller coaster continues downward.

    Give me your email ansd let's settle this out of the Blogosphere?
    You want it, bring it on.

    The same goes for Mr. Shultz.

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 5:50 PM

    YOU GOING TO SPIT ON THEM TOO. wHAT A f---ING COWARD YOU ARE. A LITTLE BULLY WITH A SMALLER PENIS.

    No name,
    Give me your email.
    Let's see if I just spit on you?
    Give me your email?
    Vome on pussy!

    The same goes for Mr. Shultz.

    ---

    Why would I give you my e-mail address? You would misspell my name and receive an error notice. Then, you'd accuse liberals of hiding out from you.

    I bet you voted for Busch, didn't you?

    The Joker is a twit.

    Spitting on people is the ultimate coward's act.
    Just like TO.
    Anyone who didn't hate TO before the spitting incident, hates him now.

    The Joker got taken away in handcuffs for spitting on KO..if what he says is true( and based on his posts he can't be believed with anything he says.)

    The Joker is a perfect name for yourself. B/c we all laughing at your sorry ass.

    Here's my email address: Choose your weapon.

    laughingatyoursorryass@comcast.net

    "Why would I give you my e-mail address? "

    You wouldn't because you'are straight pussy! A siver spoon Leftist who roots for American deaths to help your side politically!

    Do you want my email address so we can settle this out of the blogosphere?

    I didn't vote for Bush, idiot. But I'm sick of you radicals cheerleading for Al-Qaeda.

    Vome on pussy!

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 5:55 PM

    a real intellectual !

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HS: woodshop, then flunked out of HS,then got arrested,then served time,then came to this site to embarrass himself.

    The Life of the Joker !

    the main reason why you cannot stop this blog is thatthe day is coming when olbytard will say or do something from which he will lose his job and you must be around to report on it. Olby has walked up to the cliff seveal times in the past i believe this new contract will give a renewed sense of importance and invisibility that will lead him to a sorry end so please do not even think of ending this.

    THIS IS THE OLDEST PHONY ARGUMENT IN THE BOOK. BLAMING LOSING A WAR ON THE ANTIWAR PEOPLE.DIDN'T WORK DURING THE VIETNAM WAR , NOT WORKING NOW EITHER.

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm --- I wonder why everybody "blames" the antiwar people for losing wars?!?!? Is it possibly because

    A: They aid the enemy with propaganda,

    B: They make trouble for the nation that is trying to win the war,

    C: They conjure up conspiracies that divert the nation from the war in trying to answer the conspiracys,

    D: They make the war fighting cabinet look bad in the eyes of the civilianry,

    E: Some even litterally go out and help thee enemy on their own or this soil ?!?!?

    F: All of the above.

    Do not lie, noname --- It is the left that fosters resentment amoung the eyes of the neutral and sometimes the army. You are conveniant for the terrorists since you are automatically on our soil, blend in to the crowd and the forums easily, you would have easier access if we were heavier on profiling, and you think that you are sooooooooo smart and correct all of the time. With statistics both in the a-f list and this paragraph ... no wonder the glum crowd is taking over the neutrals here and abroad: You guys try your darndest to hurt the administration and try to look patriotic at the very same time. Unbelievable...

    But I'm sick of you radicals cheerleading for Al-Qaeda.

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 6:00 PM

    Show one poster that has cheerleaded for Al Qaeda.
    Just one.

    You can't, b/c you;re a liar and have nothing.
    Nada !

    I am angry because I hate Bush! I hate him! I hate him so much I'm glad Americans are be killed because it helps my cause!

    Posted by: The Decider at February 19, 2007 2:36 PM

    steal our names, you get punked !
    I TOLD YOU WERE NOT TAKING YOUR sh-t ANY LONGER.

    I hadn't planned on thinking about Sean Hannity for as long as I could avoid it, but I could swear I just heard his voice in the background saying, as the "last word" (cutting off whatever sensible point Alan Colmes was making), "Well the world is certainly better off without Saddam Hussein."

    I'm going to disagree with him here, because there are hundreds of thousands of greiving people, maimed people, traumatized people, terrorized people, and just general misery to point to the fact that the world is a not a better place since Saddam was removed from power, and then, life.

    I get that a lot from the Iraq blogs I follow. Iraqis that went along with it all, at first optimistically, now long for the "good old days". Thousands and thousands and thousands of American and Coalition children go to bed crying for mommies and daddies who either may not or won't ever return. How many children suffering in Iraq, how many elderly people suffering and grieving all over the face of the earth, all because Sean Hannity and his ilk played upon everybody's fears and beat the war drum to kiss the asses of war profiteers like Bush and Cheney in the face of WMD "intelligence" that smart people knew all along was flawed and bogus?

    You played a big part in this, Sean, you, personally. You can claim this war as your own, right along with the aforementioned warmongers. Just because it's been good for your pocketbook doesn't mean it's been good for the world. :(

    Besides being a woman and a Democrat, well read on...


    HANNITY: But first, the clock is ticking. The San Francisco Speaker Nancy Pelosi took office today as Democrats started pushing their agenda without Republicans being allowed to voice their dissent. Now, among the things that Pelosi is trying to push through is a PAYGO legislation that would force Congress to adopt budget cuts or, you guessed it, tax increases to cover any new spending.

    And there's a raise of the federal minimum wage which, of course, would threaten business and business owners across the country. And she wants to expand federal funding of stem cell research, in a clear bow to the Michael J. Fox wing of her party.

    OH GOD!!!

    Hide the Children, Speaker Pelosi is Bowing to the "Michael J. Fox" wing of the party. I'm not exactly sure what he means by that. Is Pelosi bowing to the wing of the Democratic party that wants to heal disabled people or those with terminal illnesses?

    The Bitch.

    I cannot believe the PAYGO system, can you imagine a Speaker of the house who is against wild spending and for a realistic way of keeping our tax dollars from being wasted and don't even get me started on the minimum wage.

    Hey Poor people, why don't you get a job...or three! You should be be thanking the Republicans who have kept the federal minimum wage at the level it's at currently for almost a decade. So what if the cost of living has gone up since then? So what if two working full time adults living in the same home are under the poverty level. You've got boot straps, you need to pull yourselves up by them! That's why they were made.

    That San Francisco Liberal Nancy Pelosi is dangerous!

    (End sarcasm)

    After watching the clip I think my IQ dropped 20 points.

    So responsible spending, funding research to fight devastating illnesses, and a pay raise for the hardest working people in America is all of a sudden a bad thing?

    Since when were "Conservatives" like Sean against Fiscal responsibility?

    After he finished crying about the fact that Nancy Pelosi refuses to give Republicans the minority rights they denied the Democrats all these years (that's what happens when you set precedent...you have to live with it), Hannity et. al "debated" the outrage surrounding Congressman Keith Ellison's decision to take his oath of office on a Quran owned by Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps they should re-read the Book they consider to be the cornerstone of our government, and they might come across this choice advice from Jesus Christ:

    From Matthew 5:34-37

    (Jesus said,)"34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

    Knowing that, why on earth would they even be advocating oath-taking at all? If this Bible were so important to them, why aren't they venting outrage about the evils of oath-taking, and denouncing its use in our Congress and courtrooms? If they read the entire chapter of Matthew 5, they would also find out that "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." and "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." and "But I tell you: Love your enemies." It goes on and on. See for yourself here:

    Matthew 5.

    Last night, in the distant background, I could hear Sean Hannity whining, "Liberals want to shut me up!" He claims that liberals listen to everything he says, waiting for him to say "that one wrong thing" and then they'll ignore all of the good things he said since 1987 or whatever and pounce on that one wrong thing, he claims.

    For the record, nobody is trying to shut you up, Sean. People just wish you'd start saying sensible things and quit being a Muppet for the RNC. You say that "one wrong thing" during nearly every broadcast, but unlike most right-wing blow-hards whose audience and influence is limited to their own dinner table or the break-room, you are able to cause thousands of people to write letters to their senators in support of things that harm our country. I wish I had a dollar for everytime you said, "Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction" as you shaped public opinion to support an invasion on a country that never harmed us. You pander and appeal to the naïvest segment of our society, uninformed and probably well-meaning religious right-wingers who never read the whole Bible and get their news only from Faux. You feed into their fear and make it easy for guys like KKKarl Rove to push their corporate, warmongering agenda on our seemingly helpless nation and, indeed, on the whole world.

    Remember the time you paraded Billy Graham's son on your show to bring a Biblical perspective to support for the impending invasion on Iraq? He told a "David & Goliath" story and you and he spun it to sound as if the United States was little David and Iraq was the giant Goliath, when any sensible person realizes that the roles are actually the opposite of what you were implying. I'm willing to bet money that Billy Graham, Jr. feels about that H&C appearance the same way Colin Powell feels about his UN Speech: ashamed. But likely you managed to sway thousands of Christians into supporting the invasion. And in case you missed it in the Bible, Goliath got his head cut off with his own sword.

    It's not the liberals I know that want you to shut up, they generally don't watch your show or pay any attention to you. It's the Conservatives I know that wish you'd go away.

    When the co-chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children is found to have sent sexually graphic instant messages to an underage former House page, Sean Hannity complains that Democrats have "selective moral outrage" and spends more time berating Bill Clinton for his romantic liasons with the "19-year old child Monica Lewinsky", who was really 22, than he spends denouncing Mark Foley for being a pedophile. So upset is he about poor Monica that it doesn't seem to bother him that Dennis Hastert and other Republican leaders in the House looked the other way and covered up this scandal in a heinous attempt to keep control of a Congress that his driven this country to war, division, and deficit.

    People are starting to call the GOP the "Gathering of Pedophiles" and "Gang of Perverts". Do you remember the White House Call Boy Scandal that was quickly buried by the media in the first Bush administration? Pedophilia in Washington is nothing new, especially not in the RepubliKKKan party. If Hannity wants to continue to ally himself with a party that condones and conceals activities such as this, it is to his own discredit.

    Hopefully, true Conservatives will use this opportunity to discover the Libertarian Party, divest themselves of the GOP and bring about a new revolution, leaving the Group of Pervs to right-wing bone-heads who want to live in a State of Denial

    That's right, the guy who put Hal Turner on the air to make his bones & the guy who's fundraising for another Racist Senator Allen is now pimping cars for GM.

    Want a responce from GM, well you got it!


    Okay, you have our attention!

    Since the posting on your site about the Sean Hannity show, we have
    received hundreds of emails, phone calls, etc., with your opinions.

    To clarify, we didn’t hire Mr. Hannity as a spokesperson and he is not
    receiving compensation from GM for this promotion. What we are doing is
    running a promotion on his show where Mr. Hannity is featuring three of
    our newest products every week and listeners can register to win their
    choice of the three vehicles.

    As the head of Sales and Marketing for GM, my job is not to create
    political controversy but preferably to create interest in our
    world-class lineup of vehicles. Looks like we are doing a bit of both
    with this promotion.

    GM is the biggest advertiser in America and to tell our story we
    advertise across a tremendously wide array of media trying to connect
    with all Americans irrespective of ethnic, religious or political
    affiliations. We just want folks to experience our products.

    We want to reach you on the shows you listen to. Below is my email
    address. Please let me know the shows where you would like to hear or
    see our advertising - perhaps even a similar promotion to the one
    currently being run on Hannity. We may already be on many of the
    programs that you enjoy. If not, we will sure look at them. Also, if
    you are interested in hearing more about any of our new products or our
    business turnaround, we will be happy to address that as well.

    I appreciate your views and I welcome your suggestions.

    Mark LaNeve
    GM Vice President Sales and Marketing
    Phone number: (313) 665-1357
    email address: laneve@gm.com

    From this letter, I'm assuming Mr. LaNeve is working with Ed Shultz or Air America with a similar promotion.

    Right?

    Maybe you can give them a quick jingle and ask if they plan on working with progressive voices or are they let Hannity decide who the "Great Americans"are?

    Hannitized at the Allen event!

    Here's a copy of the flyer:

    Get Hannitized!
    Young Veterans for Allen
    Young Professionals for Allen
    invite you to join
    Sean Hannity
    and
    Senator George Allen
    on
    Friday
    September, 29th, 2006
    HOST Reception 6:00pm
    General Reception 6:30pm - 8:00pm
    400 North Capitol Street NW
    Washington, DC


    YEAH!!!!!! WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO

    ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?????


    Damn Skippy Evil Doers, yes, the same George Allen who left a decapitated Deers head in the mail box of someone he thought was black and was quite fond of saying "Nigger" back when it was still cool.


    Of course it was the same George Allen that called the Darkie "Macca"and quote "Welcome to America"!!! "cause, you know brown people (Myself included) aren't really Americans anyways and nothing drives that feeling home like being called a monkey.

    To clear up any confusion, yes it's SENATOR GEORGE ALLEN OF VIRGINIA who knew he was part Jewish and wouldn't comment on it until pressed...When I found out I was part Jewish my epiphany came; "That's why I have horns and control all of the money". I guess we're just a little different.

    Enough Snark, Senator George Allen obviously has a problem with racism like most elected Republicans do.

    Oh and here comes Sean Hannity to throw some money his way.

    The right has no standards, none. We attacked Biden for his remarks but the Conservatives just don't have the integrity to attack their own.

    The key to this recipe is to brown the meatballs before you add them to the simmering sauce.

    Number of Servings: 12
    Serving Size: 3/4 cup
    Ingredients
    Name Measure Weight
    crustless sturdy stale bread 2 oz ---
    lean ground turkey breast --- 1/2 lb
    egg 1 ---
    freshly grated Romano cheese 1/4 cup ---
    chopped fresh parsley 1/4 cup ---
    minced clove garlic 1 ---
    fresh ground black pepper 1/2 tsp ---
    extra-virgin olive oil 1 tbsp ---
    28-oz can diced tomatoes in juice 1 ---
    28-oz can crushed tomatoes 1 ---
    Preparation Instructions
    1. To make fresh bread crumbs, grate the bread on the large holes in a box grater. You should have about 1 cup.
    2. In a large bowl, lightly combine the turkey, bread crumbs, egg, cheese, parsley, garlic, and pepper. Let stand 10 minutes to moisten evenly. Shape the mixture into 12 meatballs.
    3. In a large nonstick saucepan or deep skillet, heat the oil. Cook the meatballs, turning as needed, until well-browned on all sides, 7-8 minutes. Transfer to a plate. Pour off all but 1 tsp of any oil remaining in the pan. Add the tomatoes and meatballs; bring to just below boiling. Reduce the heat to low; partially cover and simmer, stirring occasionally, until the meatballs are tender; at least 2 hours.
    4. With a slotted spoon, remove the meatballs to a large bowl. Crumble with a wooden spoon (or, when cool enough to handle, with your hands), then return to the sauce and heat through.
    Exchanges Per Serving


    1 Very Lean Meat
    2 Vegetable

    Nutrition Information


    Amount per serving
    Calories 88
    Calories from Fat 16
    Total Fat 2 g
    Saturated Fat 1 g
    Cholesetrol 31 mg
    Sodium 385 mg
    Total Carbohydrate 11 g
    Dietary Fiber 2 g
    Sugars 6 g
    Protein 8 g

    The Christian Assault on Freedom and Christianity PDF Print E-mail
    How does religion become a source of conflict? When faith becomes politicized, that's how. This is an older essay, which I just discovered was missing on the site. Unfortunately the problem I described continues today. ***************

    Our nation was settled by those who sought to be free to express their religious views. Freedom of speech serves as the mechanism to allow each person to express his moral opinion primarily, and his political opinion secondarily. Our rich American history, and our Revolution, are best understood by recognizing the effect of separating church from state.

    Since we do not have a state religion, we trust the political process to adjudicate a solution to opposing moral views. This process does not always work properly because one group or another can popularize an idea successfully that is in contrast to the rights of the individual.

    Many citizens find that the Homeland Security Act oversteps that magical line. In the context of a nation at war, protective measures are common in history. Under the shadow of these difficult times, some seek to advance a separate moral agenda. Our biggest current threat is not from terrorists who destroy life and property, but from conservative Christian moralists who are willing to destroy our democracy to expand their moral interpretation into our laws.

    Christianity, freedom and democracy all recognize the individual as paramount. In Christianity, it is the individual's relationship with God. In Freedom, it is the individual's relationship with others. In Democracy, it is the individual's relationship with the state. In all three cases, the individual is free to evolve and is only constrained by actions that have direct consequences on another person. Crime is defined as a public affair, as an action by one individual against another freedom-loving individual. We are innocent of this crime until found guilty by a jury of our peers. We are not guilty of a crime simply because we are accused of one, or because an action is personally sinful.

    Some Christians interpret our freedom to affect laws as a right and a self-imposed duty to enforce a moral opinion through those laws. This view is anathema to America and the concept of freedom. The genius of our political system is not to enforce any personal view of morality, but rather to control the effects of every individual's immorality.

    The tyranny that our nations founders feared was from those who, in claiming to be their brother's keeper, would assume the role as their brother's master. The conservative view against drinking, drugs, gays, and abortion all fall into this confused political interpretation. Moral certainty, as expressed politically, is neither Christian, nor American. Both freedom and Christianity requires that the individual be free to pursue his own path on his own timetable. Those who would rush others to reach a conclusion of faulty political wisdom and pure moral behavior have committed a crime against freedom-loving individuals.

    The consequences and the toll caused by these self-righteous Christian crusades on our society is clear. In the attempt to stop the perceived immoral actions of a few, we have all suffered. By creating a new definition of criminal behavior, we have become a population under siege and at war. We are imprisoned, attacked, hated, and pressured by a moral debate and interpretation that is against the rights of man and is tyrannical. It is a devil in sheep's clothing, and defines morality with the same moral certainty and superstition as the Taliban in Afghanistan. The desires to ban books, music, and movies (or install 10 Commandment monuments) are part of the same interpretation, just like the cleric commands against flying kites, owning dogs and wearing western clothing. These moral soldiers present themselves as serving God or Allah, when their actions serve neither God nor man. It is an unconscious lust for power, the hallmark of tyranny and evil. The prime commands of Christianity are to love one another (including your enemies,) and to not judge others. Many Christians violate both of these teachings in their political positions on various issues. They fail Christ and destroy democracy in the same action.

    Our society has been damaged by Prohibition, the war on drugs, anti-gay bashing, and the pressure against abortion. The individual's acts of drinking, getting high, terminating pregnancies and having sex are all private acts, however tragic, and have no ill effect on society at large. By criminalizing personal failings, we create a government of tyranny. A person is guilty for living, and not for the consequences of his actions toward others. There is a presumption of consequence and guilt, and those who defend the rights of the individual are then accused of being immoral or promoting destructive behaviors. Moral certainty elevates the perceived rights of society above the rights of the individual. Criminalizing personal behaviors sets a standard that no society can ever hope to meet. Even with harsh and difficult punishments against certain behaviors, the "immoral" behaviors continue. It is not possible to legislate morality. The best that can be achieved is a system that accommodates and discourages immorality. The war on drugs is a complete failure, and like Prohibition, the cure is far worse than the disease. Human sexuality is as old as time.

    Alternative lifestyles and the fear of unwanted pregnancies will not be checked by laws or courts. The just power of moral certainty lies in the culture of taboo. By seeking to create laws against the individual, these moralists weaken the morality they hope to spread, and squander public resources that could be better directed to the ill effects of immoral behaviors.

    The conservative moralist may mean well, but in casting stones against other's imperfections, he fails to recognize his own. The Bill of Rights is already a perfect moral political instrument. Thus, any expression of moral certainty is irresponsible, and destroys our democracy and our moral society. In being free to practice and preach the morality we choose, we must be willing to win converts without legal coercion. God does not need the help of the state. Those who would betray the Bill of Rights for religious reasons betray both God and country.

    his is by far my longest essay. I wrote it in 2003 when I was at mymac.com which is why it contains some unusual references to Apple Computer. It was penned with a conservative friend in mind, but little did I know how limited his view were. The "life is nasty, brutish and short" crowd should properly be called pessimist, not conservative. The word Utopia sends a chill up the spine of the pessimist. Amazingly, this person thinks of himself as a Christian, but there was little we could find common ground on even after much discussion. He taught me a lot about fear, his own. Looking back at the essay, my view of it has changed. I used to think I buried the lead, but now I think I did not. While it at times is a rant, I think starting from the Nature of Man was the best place to start. Perhaps today I would start from the Nature of God instead, and reframe the "interpretation of the unknown."

    The essay covers a lot of ground, including 5 suggestions for changing the Constitution, What I call The Contract For Mutual Responsibility. One of the points (a National Sales Tax) I have altered for a Dirt Tax instead. That idea can be read briefly on The Old Front Page. (I have much I have yet to write in detail.) The other thing left unexplained was HOW to get to Universal Health Care. I have figured out how to do that in the pamphlet "The Interest Mechanism," which is a set of legal changes at the State level.

    Being an idealist, I thought starting a conversation about the Constitution would be relatively easy. It turns out I was incorrect. People seem to want to change the Constitution for unimportant things, but not important things.

    I appreciate your taking the time to read it. I have often wanted to redraft it, but I think I will let it stand with its warts and all. I would end up adding so much that the original would no longer be recognizable. What voice does one use to talk to an optimist and a pessimist simultaneously, or an atheist and a believer simultaneously? That is what my next major essay will strive for. (Hindsight is always 20/20) Meantime, we are still in the desert following Moses. Welcome to From Slavery to Utopia. My mind is already there, but my body has yet to catch up. It can also be downloaded as a pdf HERE.

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    FROM SLAVERY TO UTOPIA


    The Nature of Man

    Everyday we all sleep, everyday we all awake. Welcome to this day. Life is a trinity of the past, the present, and the future. While both great and terrible events may await us, everyday is greeted anew. Whether we live a life of routine, boredom, power, responsibility, frivolousness, crime, naivete, youth, struggle, illness or hate, before we step into the routine of our daily life, there is a vague general sense that what we want lies somewhere before us in the future. Yesterdays accomplishments are in the past, today is the work-in-progress for a realization that resides in the future.

    This trinity of time is bound up in Hope, and cuts across all social and economic classes It has no boundaries of religion or country or culture, it is beyond technology and mechanization and any point in societal development. Modern man and cave man, prisoner or free, young and old, Hope is both instinct and conscious choice. Even in depression, most individuals cannot fight the sense of Hope that envelopes our humanity and our lives. To be alive, is to Hope.

    Much has been written regarding the nature of man. Is he good or evil? Clearly he has the capacity to choose, and history is full of both inspirational and tragic tales of individuals who have made both choices. If the nature of man can be discerned, it is that he is full of Hope. But hopeful of what?

    The answer can only be Love and Peace. We awaken each day to a hopeful sense that we can both Love and Be Loved in a completeness and glory that we have never known before. Hope is not about organizing the physical world, defeating our competitors, or any type of measurable success. Hope is internal. It is a lust for more of that which feeds our spirit and comforts us. No matter how distorted ones politics, regardless of the rage in ones heart, beyond the ego, the id, and self-esteem, Love and Hope lie at the center of man's nature.

    Love and Hope also triggers the biological clock, which builds cities and societies, and motivates passions and culture and ideas. Hope is also the sense that everything we do is probably wrong, but somehow it will work out in the end. There is an undercurrent of reconciliation in Hope. A desire to forgive and forget others actions, and a desire that all our own actions will be forgiven and forgotten. If Life is a trinity of time, Hope is a break with the past. It is a revolution through progression. A repetition of everyday events, that somehow land us in a new world. A willful evolution.

    Utopia

    Wisdom tempers Hope. It is the reluctant understanding that not all things can or will be accomplished in our lifetime. Wisdom tells us things as they are is one of many historical conditions, despite our hope for something better. Many see a utopia as a dream, and history has shown little promise for utopian hopes. Utopias seem to exist in the faraway future of poems and the lazy histories of failure. Most people see utopias at odds with the very nature of man, when he is defined as either good or evil. Too many people see utopia as something they might gain in their death.

    While men are both good and evil, it is our nature of Love and Hope that defines our humanity. We all believe in a utopia, but not necessarily consciously. It is the belief in a utopia that gets us up in the morning, and with what we greet each new day. When man is defined as a vessel of Love and Hope, he can move through goodness and evilness easily. His actions are based on his wisdom and his strength, not on his nature. Utopia is not a world where everything is perfect, nor a world where every man is perfect. A utopia is a world where the Love and Hope for each individual can be realized on his own timetable, when he is ready. Utopia is not shared wealth, it is a shared consciousness that is progressively re-learned by each generation.

    American Democracy is a utopian ideal. It promises Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness through free enterprise and individual freedoms as protected by the Bill of Rights.

    Utopian ideals flow through all religions, but the practical implementation of a utopian society is anything but perfect. Oftentimes, the sword is used as a tool of enlightenment or to commence its inception. Peaceful utopian attempts are predicated by the congregation removing itself from the greater society, establishing a commune, and showing by example that man can have the courage to live anew. Both approaches attempt to achieve their utopias by exclusion. The former excludes non-followers, the later excludes themselves from non-followers.

    Wealth, money, and the control of property often focus as both the illness and the solution for a utopian minded reform. For America it is the right to private property, for communists it is a worker-controlled state, for smaller communes it is common property. In all cases, property or wealth is seen as the critical adjustment required to achieve a more perfect society. Even those who take a vow of poverty, like Buddhists and priests and nuns, find denying possession of material things as the sign of their enlightenment. These individuals actively pursue an utopian ideal, and their focus on Love and Hope begins with a denial for property.

    This is a strange juxtaposition. America is a great experiment and a beacon of hope in the world, but at the same time its legal structure guarantees and fosters the ownership that utopian idealists find most troubling: Private property.

    There has always been great concentrations of wealth in history, America is not unique. If America is a great utopian experiment, its greatness cannot be the free enterprise system, or the self-interest of entrepreneurs. America is great because it opens its arms to the everyday aspirations of humanity, to Love and to Hope. Since personal wealth is the first item rejected by utopian activists, American greatness must stem from our freedom to speak, to think, to communicate. Our willingness to reinvent ourselves is the source of our strength. Our inventiveness stems from having the ability and the time to pursue a myriad of interests. Lust for gold and self-adornment may generate pyramids, but mankind's greatest accomplishments are neither technological nor grand, they are simple and wise, and feed our spirit with Love and Hope. The quality of a society is best measured by the quality of its philosophy. America was built on the democratic ideals practiced thousands of years ago, and thrives from the growing maturity of that wisdom.

    Love and Hope are not political dogmas, intellectual choices, strategic positions or material goods. Love and Hope are emotions. They are our humanity. It is shared equally with the strong and frail, young and old, rich and poor, creative and ignorant, moral and immoral.
    Americans of today have a challenge left to us from the founders of the country, and by the other great leaders that followed them. In most cases, Americans have no blood link to these American ancestors. We are a nation of immigrants, attracted to these shores by the same yearnings of our humanity. It is our collective responsibility and duty to continue this brave experiment, to match the forces of hate and ignorance with the forces of wisdom and patience, to vigorously protect and seek the utopian ideal.
    The Lord's Prayer: Puzzle or Prescription?

    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil...

    The Lord's Prayer above states "Thy will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven." God obviously has control of both Heaven and Earth, so what do the words "Thy will be done, on Earth" describe? His will in Heaven must be perfection, so maybe perfection on Earth is the destiny of mankind as well. Perhaps this is the centerpiece of our Hope and our humanity. Contrary to conventional wisdom, perhaps the long stretch of mankind's miserable history actually reveals a utopian society in the making, a return to the Garden of Eden.

    Thousands of years ago, the masses were enslaved to build the Pyramids. Thousand of years after that, they built the Great Wall of China. Feudal times saw the growth of monarchies and peasant farmers. And we have only recently evolved to a mechanized society. Workers have had a comparatively easier life as time has passed. There have been conscious attempts to redistribute wealth, and bodies of laws and systems of government have emerged to provide nominal protections for the weak against the strong. Widespread education has provided more opportunities for everyone. Perhaps, in an ironic twist of fate, it is the fruit of knowledge that will return us to Eden, with Apple personal computer technology as the centerpiece of our modern renaissance.

    Mutual Responsibility

    So, what is next in our evolution towards an utopia? How does Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and private property square with the utopian notions of Hope, Love and systems of wealth?

    The slave-holding of the past has evolved, slavery has been progressively decentralized. Rather than the single Pharaoh enslaving a nation, or the multiple feudal kings holding serfs, in our nation, individuals owned slaves. The legal basis of slavery is part of our recent history. Modern law continues to act as a shield to protect the latest vestiges of slavery. Modern slavery is camouflaged by the cultural pride of self-reliance and the legal rights to private property.

    Workers create wealth, but have little control over the property or the process. Corporations have become the slave-holders of the modern age. Congress is comprised mainly of white male millionaires, the same group who controlled plantations 150 years ago, who value corporate relationships as the source of their wealth. Economic progress is often defined by the economy's ability to generate new millionaires. We have not moved very far along the continuum from slavery to utopia in thousands of years. The Twin Towers, and modern skyscrapers everywhere, can be seen as current day pyramids, built by the backs of modern world corporately-owned slaves.

    Utopia transcends the petty goal of ownership of property. Its goal is a shared consciousness of human values, where everyone has the opportunity to work at a fulfilling life. The point is not to agree about every issue, but to value the same concepts of justice, fair-play, duty and morality. That is the paradox of work and wealth. A utopia is not a place where work is not necessary, it is a place where work is fulfilling. Likewise wealth is not a utopia. Wealth may release one from the need to work, but the lack of struggle and fulfilling work robs the wealthy of both Hope and wisdom. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is more complex than the accumulation of wealth. This was understood years ago, it is less recognized today:

    "Our greatest happiness in life does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits." - Thomas Jefferson

    To create a utopian society, the goal of unchecked wealth must be muted, and work become a fulfilling mixture of duty and personal opportunity. All work has dignity, but the system should allow workers to grow personally and advance into new opportunities. Unchecked wealth requires a system where human labor must produce profitable returns. No other criteria is measured. Workers have only two choices, work as a machine to generate profits for someone else, or do the spiritual work they prefer, and sacrifice the pay. In a utopia, this burdensome choice is lessened. If poor people can make sacrifices for "just pursuits," then corporations can as well.

    The quest for private wealth causes and then perpetuates many social ills. Seldom do politicians seek out a solution to a problem based on its merits, rather, they represent the narrow interests of selfish constituents. Selfishness has few limits. All matter of resources will be expended to ensure the right to keep money, to ward off competition, and comparatively little to ensure that the social and cultural effect of a decision is wise. Where the Founding Fathers were broad thinkers, our representatives interests have becoming increasingly narrow.

    Corporate greed under the American model is a given because the current system requires and encourages corporations to make unchecked wealth their only goal. If wealth is the only goal in a society, then the pressure to maintain some form of slavery will inevitably continue. If the laws of society were to require and encourage justice, fair-play, and duty, then that is what the society will value most highly. Non-Profit corporations have a different goal than For-Profit corporations, but they function just as efficiently, and face the same logistical and organizational challenges. There has been no improvement in healthcare since it was converted to a for-profit model. Greed is not a substitute for fearless wisdom and Hope. Consider how our laws regarding equality have changed since the slaves were freed. Violent racism has subsided, but the greed that spawned it originally continues unabated. America has the momentum of utopian social goals, but every new generation must live up to the challenge of its responsibility.

    There are three groups in the world: freedom-lovers, slave-masters and worker-slaves. These groups can be both individuals or businesses, and usually any one entity is a combination of all three. Few of us are perfect, few of us are evil. Our current laws reflect the strain between two opposing goals: unchecked wealth and a society of justice. Mutual Responsibility provides a way out of this conflict.

    Historical Stalemate

    Legal evolution is slow because the worker-slaves are too busy working to focus or fight to change the system. Their position as worker-slaves highlights their youth and/or their inability to challenge the system.The seeds of revolt, ironically, are often planted by the wealthiest. Most revolutionaries come from the middle and upper-classes. They are the ones with the time resources and self-confidence and education to challenge the status quo. The slave-masters are convinced their actions are just because society requires the goods and services they produce, but their children often see a world of indulgence. The first generation uses the system to be successful, but some of the following generations try to change the world. Buddha was among the first to resist the life of luxury. The seeds of the Russian Revolution were planted by the bourgeois. The Rockefeller\'s, the Kennedy\'s, and Osama bin Laden are all from families of great wealth. The easy life of tennis, lounging by the pool, and polishing expensive autos was as boring 4000 years ago as it is today. The inner voice of Hope that we all share speaks louder to some than it does to others, but not all revolutionary utopians are peace-loving and wise.

    Despite our modern world and its preceding 4000 years of history, we are losing sight of our utopian vision. We now define ourselves based on numbers written on a piece of paper and filed in a drawer. If our bank balance shows $0 we are sad, if it shows $1,000,000 we are happy. When we go to a hospital, if we have the correct numbers written on the paper, all tests are given and special care and consideration to our ailments. If, however, we do not have the correct numbers written on a piece of paper, we are at best patched up and released. Future ailments, chronic problems, known but not immediate issues are ignored. The infrastructure to deliver healthcare waits ready and able, the investment in training and capital has all been made, but without the correct numbers on a sheet of paper, you do not get the best chance for a healthy and pleasant life. Without wealth, you are regarded as expendable, your pain less important, your demise less sorrowful. In the slow march toward utopia, is this really the best that modern man can accomplish?

    Free Enterprise

    Modern medicine is the result of thousands of years of knowledge, trial and error, and a multitude of experiments. Many approaches have been tried and abandoned over the course of time. Some mistakes are repeated, but revolutionary approaches have also changed the course of its practice.We all benefit when vigorous attention and high standards are applied to the art of medicine, and when we are all allowed access. Our economic life should be no different.

    The free enterprise theory that grips our country fails to address either the primary concerns of civilization or proscribe a healthful remedy for justice. In 1776, Adam Smith wrote, The Wealth of Nations, extolling the marketplace as a mediator of competing forces.The Founding Fathers set in motion a social revolution with the idea that all men are created equal. But the economic theory it was later paired with has been proven to be completely wrong. The marketplace is a slave market, and what has changed over history is the way a slave's labor is bought and sold. The alleged free hand of capitalism is a theory which parallels the healthful effect of bloodletting by use of leeches. In the 18th century, Charles Darwin died as a result of this practice, despite his insight to scientific evolution. Free enterprise is a bloodletting of our moral soul, and America stands in the place of Charles Darwin.

    Adam Smith stated:

    Among the savage nations of hunters and fishers, every individual who is able to work, is more or less employed in useful labour, and endeavours to provide, as well as he can, the necessaries and conveniences of life, for himself, or such of his family or tribe as are either too old, or too young, or too infirm to go a hunting and fishing. Such nations, however, are so miserably poor that, from mere want, they are frequently reduced, or, at least, think themselves reduced, to the necessity sometimes of directly destroying, and sometimes of abandoning their infants, their old people, and those afflicted with lingering diseases, to perish with hunger, or to be devoured by wild beasts.

    Among civilised and thriving nations, on the contrary, though a great number of people do not labour at all, many of whom consume the produce of ten times, frequently of a hundred times more labour than the greater part of those who work; yet the produce of the whole labour of the society is so great that all are often abundantly supplied, and a workman, even of the lowest and poorest order, if he is frugal and industrious, may enjoy a greater share of the necessaries and conveniences of life than it is possible for any savage to acquire.

    What we have seen in our brief history is the opposite of his characterization. We have generated a hundred-fold increase in provisions, and some consume the provisions of thousands, if not of millions. Yet we are increasingly \"abandoning ... infants, ... old people, and those afflicted with lingering diseases, to perish.\" The difference is that rather than abandoning people in the wild, we warehouse them in neighborhoods of poverty and blight, and let them slowly expire by the lonely glow of a television light, addiction, crime, ill health and pollution. The so-called savage nations were a more utopian community than ours. New medicines were discovered for the value of the cure, not for the profit. They lived with a respect for Hope and Love, and acted from a sense of communal duty. The Native American society was more balanced than ours, but they were annihilated by armed arrogant warriors of reason and claimed Christianity. A common defense regarding the engine of free enterprise is that a rising tide of material wealth floats all boats, but for those struggling without a vessel or a life jacket, it is sink or swim. We have created a new worldwide slave class, and it is grows in numbers every day. No one is wealthy enough to escape its grasp.

    Moral Virtues

    The first moral choice of the American founders was the genocide of the native inhabitants. Our civilised and thriving nation followed a pattern as old as history. Our drive for property would not be checked by any adversary. Like the Egyptian Pharaoh, we considered ourselves god-like and superior. We have now used technology to cast a global shadow of slavery and self-adoration. As nations emulate the American economic success, they are bound to emulate our errors, too.

    If mankind is on the long road towards utopia, and democracy provides the social framework for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, then changes need to be made to the free enterprise model to further advance our Hope. Since Hope is a shared consciousness, we all know the elements of utopian society. What are the goals of our willful evolution?

    Since mankind cannot accomplish radical change without lethal force, another step toward utopia must be based on things which can be accomplished peacefully and which answer the most important of our basic needs. These things are two, both physical and spiritual: food and health, education and worship. Of course, in exchange for these gifts from society, the individual must work. In work, each must willingly provide these same gifts to others in society that he also accepts. The solution is a system of Mutual Responsibility regarding our most basic needs, and, it builds on our social experience in building government and worship communities.

    The Four Cornerstones

    America has all the cornerstones in place for advancing our utopian beginning. Our nation is abundant in its food supply, we have a network of quality medical care, research and teaching facilities, we have public education through high school and a myriad of colleges and universities, and a body of law that vigorously protects ones freedom to worship. The only thing that halts the progression to a more utopian society is the free enterprise model.


    The Modern Society and our Agrarian Beginning

    Adam Smith described a system where some work little and receive a lot, while others work a lot and receive little. It did not take into account the plight of the slaves, accept perhaps as property, and is a model based on an agrarian society. Its primary analysis was an explanation of how commerce would prosper more effectively without a king as the primary arbitrator and hoarder of wealth. The king controlled everything, and claimed ownership to every item, even every apple on every apple tree. We have reached the same point today, except this time we are a modern society and the corporations have assumed the role of the king. Copyright law and the litigious nature of our society shows how aggressive we have become to claim an equally perpetual ownership.

    As the small farm agrarian nation has receded, the federal government has driven an expansion of power in our private lives. The right to vote, to due process, and a great body of law have all served to both empower more people as well as enforce limits of individual power. With the rights that the government conferred, it also has grown in power. For every right it expanded, it has assumed the power to regulate. So as we as citizens have grown more accustomed to more power, we have also grown accustomed to a stronger do-all federal government, capable of both granting favor or imposing restrictions, based upon your point of view.

    Industrial society has made our interdependency stronger, which in itself has become a source of power. Corporations lobby and drive our laws and priorities based on their self-interest. The plight of the worker and society in general is left as an afterthought. All legislative battles are between large corporations and the forces of the people at large, usually in the form of labor, smaller businesses or a specific industry, and the forces of the government interests.

    In an agrarian society there was no national grid of power, transportation, communication, food, health care, banking, insurance, entertainment, news or distribution. In today's society, national enterprises are becoming more and more the norm. America is not homogenous politically, but it is culturally and economically. The power of the individual industries and companies have become equal to or greater than the power of the federal government.

    Politically we have been long divided. Not simply democrats versus republicans, but city versus country, employees versus employers, industry versus conservationists, franchised versus disenfranchised. These oppositions are not singularly by chance, the free enterprise system perpetuates it. It is a "check and balances" that the founders envisioned. In an agrarian society, their vision and fear was the dominance of one state or a group of states over another region. The Civil War is a testament that their plan failed.

    Slavery was defeated in favor of the social utopian ideals as stated in our founding documents: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The free enterprise system was unable to arrive at a just solution then, and it is unable to arrive at a just solution now. Self-interest is not a utopian ideal. While its existence must be accommodated in a political solution, our economic ideals should be the same as our social ideals: utopian. For our social life we have the Bill of Rights. For our economic life we need a Bill of Mutual Responsibility. Relying on the alleged balancing powers of free enterprise, rather than articulated utopian principals, is what has perpetuated our economic divisions. For us to be effective, we need to break our vested interests from a cycle of wasteful priorities. The free enterprise system needs to be replaced by one of Mutual Responsibility.

    Too Much Responsibility

    At some point, and some would argue it was long ago, the federal government will be doing more things than it can do well. The war on terror aggravates this situation. Likewise the states, lacking the resources of the federal government, are under-powered in this new nationally homogenous industrial society. With the rise of security concerns, two million citizens incarcerated, and a legal process that serves as an aggressive corporate weapon, we are growing perilously close to losing the stability of the middle class. Much of the activity of our government serves the interests and the competitive nature of corporations. Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex, and his plea was ignored. A government of the people, by the people, for the people shall may well perish from the earth if the power of the modern day slave-holders continues unchecked.

    Politically there are three main groups at play: corporations, labor and government. The political parties, for the most part, serve either labor or the corporations. The people have a vote, but within this framework it is diluted by those with greater resources. Since the political parties serve those with the resources to support them, the parties have come to resemble advocates for either the "Labor Corporation" or the "Industry Corporation." It is a battle between two narrow self-interests that leaves many Americans unrepresented.

    Our social utopian ideal of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness can been seen as under attack by the free enterprise model. Self-government is being defined and executed on a national corporate scale. There is no local control, individual rights or freedom, independence of action or liberty. As we have exited our agrarian society, we find ourselves controlled by an industrialized nationalized cultural and political power. It is an Orwellian system. Our destructive habits have more power than the players engaged in it. By "working the system" corporations are empowered to exclude those without resources from enjoying self-government, but they themselves are helpless to change the system. Many representatives leave Washington because they cannot bear to be a part of the system. For the wealthy, philanthropy is the only way to correct the system.

    The George Orwell novel 1984 was not about Big Brother deciding everything, it was about thought control and Doublethink. It was not enough that people live as slaves, it was required that they actually believe their slavery to be the best situation possible. It was death to a utopian vision for allegedly practical reasons. Specifically, that we should serve the model, rather than the vision. In this sense, we have all becomes slaves to free enterprise. This resulting form of slavery will be more complex to stop than by a war with muskets. We need to replace our entire legal infrastructure.

    Back to the Beginning

    Any new utopian-inspired formula must also begin at the federal level, for it is there where all our wisdom, rights and freedom resides. But if checks and balances no longer work, then what will? The answer to motivated self-interest is mandated Mutual Responsibility. Self-interest, as the founders believed, is a power that can be harnessed. Voluntary duty to self-governence, which augured no critical consequence in agrarian times, needs to be mandatory in an industrialized nationalized society where resources are concentrated. There are many examples of mandated Mutual Responsibility that the government currently imposes, for example, pollution control and health codes. Free enterprise has no element of citizen duty.

    What is required is an expansion of corporate responsibilities and a narrowing of corporate freedom. Rather than issuing unfunded mandates on the states, the government must issue corporate mandates to effect social responsibilities. The social burdens placed on government is caused by the failure of corporations to value anything other than profit. To relieve the burden on the government, corporations must be a partner with social responsibilities.

    Government is experiencing a cyclical failure. It is too busy dealing with the problematical social effects free enterprise causes, and the Corporations resist any change in their philosophical responsibilities. Like the slave-holders of the past, the corporations will give up the right to unchecked immoral profit unwillingly. Unlike 150 years ago, this will not be an armed conflict between different regions of the country. We can accomplish this utopian change with a series of simple votes.

    The objective is to find the balance where the government continues its natural expansion of personal rights, but simultaneously contracts in size and scope, and shifts many of its social burdens to these new industrialized national cultural private powers that the corporations have become. We can trust private industry to do what is good for itself, to be motivated. What we need to do is grant them the power they have, but also extract from them and ourselves a new Contract of Mutual Responsibility.

    Part 4 Molly, Paul and Me
    Intermission in the journey from Slavery to Utopia

    Well, I guess it is official. I now tell people that I am a writer, and that I have a column. This is a radically new self image for me. Writing is something that I always wanted to do. Now I am actually doing it. I have held my tongue because I did not believe I could add anything useful to the debate. Now I think maybe I can add something of value.

    Every time the teacher (that's you) chooses to, I get to have my work graded and read to the whole class (the web community.) My analogy does not line up quite right, but that doesn't matter, since I am now in charge. I am a Writer. I can put words is people's mouths, lie, act stupid, and braketherulesofgrammer. I am omnipotent. What is even better, I do not have to worry about my poor spelling or pronunciation. My wife is always razzing my language failures. I laugh. Einstein couldn't make coffee I tell her, of course, he did master the tools of his trade. Oh well. I sympathize a lot with the clod who is our President, his father''s Vice-President, and all the embarrassing mediocrity that is the wealth of our humanity. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you end up crying about stupid things. I stand before you raw and exposed. So what. Does anyone really care? And what if they did?

    None of this could have happened without Apple. So again, I owe them a debt of gratitude. Apple technology has really made my life immensely better, especially the laptops. I also love my new iPod, much more than I would have expected, even though I've had it for only a few weeks. Remember the commercial with the geek-thin kid who says he feels powerful? I know just how he feels. Of course, we all know how power corrupts....

    Have you noticed I always do these weird personal introductions before getting to the meat of the essay? It seems to drive a lot of people nuts. I do it because I want to remind the reader to realize that an essay is just an idea written by one person at some specific moment in time. It is not perfect, or complete, or a definitive principle that will last forever. The printed word has no more authority over our life than a casually spoken word, but people fall into the trap of giving it more value. In the Bible, the only things that really matter are the Ten Commandments and Jesus' command to Love One Another. Everything else is just a man's exploration in understanding. It may be insightful, inspiring and divinely given, but it is just one man's account. If you read between the lines, you will find that the thing I write most about is Loving One Another. Separately from it being hard to practice all the time, it is also a difficult command to understand. I do believe it is a command we are all challenged to live.

    Some people think writers should be objective. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. Nope, I think the whole point of writing is to say something. It can be smart or stupid, but it damn well had better challenge the reader. My feeling is that it is better to be loud and wrong than quiet and right. If you look at how Congress operates, you know that is how life seems to work. Of course there are different genres of writing, and with some forms of writing or topics, it may be grossly inappropriate to challenge the reader. Fortunately, I am not writing in that genre, so you won\'t get much of that playing it safe crap from me. I didn't hold my tongue all these years so I could engage in blah-speak. In fact, I have already told my wife what I want my epithet to read: I tried my best, to be wise, funny and kind, now it is your turn. I want to challenge the reader even when I am dead and gone, like Philoxenos challenged Thomas Merton.

    Some people do not get the chance to challenge others. Not because they did not want to, or because they were uninterested, but because they are murdered. This week, here in Massachusetts, the remains of Molly Bish were found. Molly was just a kid, sixteen years old, and working as a lifeguard, when she disappeared 3 years ago this month. Her family now has a small amount of closure in their well of grief, her bones to bury. The tormented soul who stole her life remains unknown.

    We all know Molly. She is a friend, a daughter, a niece, a neighbor. Her story is the chaos of our lives: the thing we do not want to happen. It is the car accident, the illness, the slip and fall that unmasks the raw edge of our humanity. It is the cross we fear to bear.

    We do not get to choose the burdens in our lives, they are thrust upon us. While some burdens are more tragic than others, no one escapes them. Burdens are a natural part of our humanity. Even if we get everything we ever wanted, time will catch up to us and our body will deteriorate. No amount of planning or wealth can create a burden-free life.

    The Bish family has tried to use their pain wisely. During the last three years, they have advocated for children, promoted identification kits, and lived a public life of amazing strength despite their personal grief. They challenge parents and society to think and protect the children. They want to spare us all the pain and chaos they have had to endure.

    Paul is a customer who came in to buy some t-shirts the other day. He had not been in for a long while, which is unusual for him. He works doing reach-out for a poor inner city neighborhood, trying to keep kids on the straight and narrow path. His work is not very different from that which the Bish's do to protect children.

    I don't know Paul's personal history, or why he chose his career path. This time when he came in, he was wearing an ear bud. I assumed it was a radio or walkie-talkie or something, so I asked, "What are you listening to?" He told me that he was going deaf, and that it was a hearing aid. He couldn't afford to buy "real" hearing aids, but under the Americans with Disabilities Act, his employer (a community health center) had to accommodate his disability. They did so by purchasing this iPod like device sound amplifier.

    Both my daughter and my mother wear hearing aids, so when he said he couldn't afford them, I knew what he meant. After wearing her original ones for seven years, my daughter had just replaced hers. Big bucks.

    I couldn't help thinking, again, isn't this an amazing economic system we have built? The burdens caused by a criminal or by our health are beyond our control, but how is it that Paul doesn't have hearing aids for both ears like my mother and daughter? There is plenty enough of chaos that we cannot control, but what about the chaos that festers which is man-made? Are we so unwise that we can not solve an obvious inexpensive problem? Would we deny a blind man a cane, a crying baby comfort, or a hungry person food?

    YES, YES, YES! We would do all types of similar things, almost by design. We create an artificial pecking order of pain. If your number comes up in the chaos lottery, you might get some help; if not, you are on your own. Since Paul's number did not come up, he does not get hearing aids. They are sitting on a shelf somewhere, unused.

    The criminal who murdered Molly committed both a moral and an economic crime. Obviously the moral crime and loss of life is most important. The cost of the formal investigation, the volunteers search time, the media, the emotional chill that occupied us, and an economically productive life were all lost in her murder. The cost of any one part of this economic crime is many times greater than the cost of the hearing aids that Paul needs.

    Paul's loss of hearing is part of the chaos of things that he doesn't want to happen. Compared to the Bish family, he is very lucky. In terms of planning, for both of them the chaos was an equally unforeseen event. When Molly went missing, the state directed all its resources to locating her, without too much regard to cost. For Paul, the regard for his problem was limited because of the cost. Obviously, a missing girl requires an immediate draconian response. As it is for a sailor lost at sea, the window of opportunity is short, and the more time passes the worse the situation. But did we really expect that no one would develop hearing problems this year? We know the rhythm of chaos, yet we ignore it.

    My late sister won the chaos lottery. She developed kidney disease and worked for the phone company. Not only did she have great medical and disability benefits while she was sick, but the state of Massachusetts underwrites kidney illness. She was among the early long-term successes to receive a kidney transplant, and lived a preciously difficult 20 years with my fathers organ inside of her. Her doctor was awarded a Nobel Peace Price for pioneering transplant technology. Everything that could be done for her was done.

    In the home town of the Nobel Prize winning doctor an intersection is named for him. This man, like Paul, spent his life working for the betterment of others. We should not name streets after people, we should name them after ideas and concepts, as a reminder that there is always a road or a path to our ideals, and that there is more than one way to get there. My sisters name was Grace, our society needs more grace. Be Graceful Boulevard is an address I would like to share with my neighbors. Let us meet sometime at the intersection of Love and Family.

    So what of Paul and Molly? Paul probably won't be getting his hearing aids any time soon, and the Earth will soon swallow up our beloved Molly. We will start a new day, and a new battle with everydayness, and hope that the burden of chaos will pass over us again. There is so much fun stuff that we have yet to have, and chaos is so imposing.

    In Voltaire's, Candide, the character Pangloss would say, "Whatever is, is best." He was in an infinite loop, doing the same things over and over again. Whatever bad thing happened was okay, whatever good thing happened was okay. His role was simply to tend to himself, and wrap himself in a convenient fiction of morality, where no corrective action is ever necessary. Many people think like Pangloss, that if we take our own lumps magnanimously, then that frees us of a need to concern ourselves with another person\'s chaos. Love One Another is a command of inaction according to this interpretation.

    Still, I weep for Molly, and I feel bad for Paul. Our bravado culture of self-reliance is a trap. The self-policing mechanism of free enterprise enslaves us to the same Panglossian stupidity and immorality. We are a community, or we are nothing. We cannot stop the chaos, but we can lighten its burden when it arrives. What we do for fear of death, we can do for life. To stand idle while chaos reigns is foolish and immoral.

    I recently posted an essay called, On Life, Death and Living...and Dixie Chicks. Did you chance to read it? I describe conservatives as lazy thinkers and liberals as stupid. That would seem to imply that I must then be a know-it-all. I'm not, I just think our politics are at an intellectual and moral dead-end. No one is listening to the other speak, but both sides have plenty of good arguments. They must, since they swap sides on the issues constantly. There is an assumption today that anything anyone says is colored by their political view. As soon as someone has a scent of that person's politics, a reality distortion field goes into effect. I went in search of finding a moral solution, for a common ground of our humanity. I am a proudly naive optimist. If we can agree on a single fundamental moral question, then we can grow that con

    Another please: please stop bringing up phony, loser conspiracy theories that are aimed against the president. America is fast getting sick of them ---

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 5:42 PM

    Bwhhhhhhhhhhh!!! What a crock of sh-t.

    America fast got sick of the Republicans last Nov 7th and will again this coming pres election.

    Your Fox Noise brain washed pea brain wrote:
    "Statement 2: I think that we can. We can win the war on terror once the anti war left stops squawking and stipulating the promises of negative, defeatist political spolied brats."

    You dumb a--hole, you got a clue what is on TV in the Muslim nations of this world? You think they watch Fox Noise and Sean The Pussy Hannity?

    No they watch mothers and fathers cry over the blown apart remains of their children. They watch funerals and with burned out buildings as back drops.

    Rumi sent our troops into Iraq with video and digital camera's and let them take images of GI's humiliating Muslim men in Abu Gharib prison, you know the same prison Bush referred to as a symbol of Saddam's human rights violations.

    This war was lost the day we disbanded the Iraqi military while having a presence their that was so small we could not protect weapons warehouses spread around Baghdad.

    The incompetence of Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld is still being excused while you qote the number one pussy coward in America - Sean Hannity. Blaming the left for a war created by and mismanaged by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld is about as pathetic as it comes here.

    We would not be in this mess if our entire major media was not owned and controlled by multinational corporations.

    Check the first amendment to our constitution - a free press is vital to a free democracy.

    Fox Noise is owned by Satan himself and you blame people who outraged by the death of our democracy and the free press it requires to survive.

    You are anti-American anti-freedom hack thinks big brother corporations should run this world.

    Stick to your trailer park and leave the heroics to the men who have the plums to fight for freedom!

    You suck you coward!

    I just emailed you. Let's see you back up your words!

    Osama watch him make a fool of himself:

    Many antiwar activists are vets.

    nuff said.

    oh, one more thing, you're an idiot.

    THIS IS THE OLDEST PHONY ARGUMENT IN THE BOOK. BLAMING LOSING A WAR ON THE ANTIWAR PEOPLE.DIDN'T WORK DURING THE VIETNAM WAR , NOT WORKING NOW EITHER.

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm --- I wonder why everybody "blames" the antiwar people for losing wars?!?!? Is it possibly because

    A: They aid the enemy with propaganda,

    B: They make trouble for the nation that is trying to win the war,

    C: They conjure up conspiracies that divert the nation from the war in trying to answer the conspiracys,

    D: They make the war fighting cabinet look bad in the eyes of the civilianry,

    E: Some even litterally go out and help thee enemy on their own or this soil ?!?!?

    F: All of the above.

    Do not lie, noname --- It is the left that fosters resentment amoung the eyes of the neutral and sometimes the army. You are conveniant for the terrorists since you are automatically on our soil, blend in to the crowd and the forums easily, you would have easier access if we were heavier on profiling, and you think that you are sooooooooo smart and correct all of the time. With statistics both in the a-f list and this paragraph ... no wonder the glum crowd is taking over the neutrals here and abroad: You guys try your darndest to hurt the administration and try to look patriotic at the very same time. Unbelievable...


    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 6:02 PM

    this is so that nobody misses the truth, thanks to prick posting a whole chapter on the screen.

    I just emailed you. Let's see you back up your words!
    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 6:06 PM


    no you didn't. You're a fraud, pussy AND a liar.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Osama watch him make a fool of himself:

    Many antiwar activists are vets.

    nuff said.

    oh, one more thing, you're an idiot.

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 6:06 PM

    --------------------------------------------------

    I already stated an answer to this one:

    Do not lie, noname --- It is the left that fosters resentment amoung the eyes of the neutral and >>> sometimes the army.

    This site absolutely must stay open. Olbytoad's inevitable meltdown is coming, and I give it about another year before he implodes completely and must issue another public mea culpa because he has destroyed himself and his career. MSNBC has increased his workload across several divisions and it is just a matter of time before he snaps.

    If that is not a good reason to stay in business, think of Paulina Porizkova. Is anyone thinking of Paulina Porizkova? How many supermodels can Olby traumatize? Please help stop him before he skeeves out Giselle Bundchen or Petra Nemcova and they are scarred for life. Do it for them.

    What a pussy you are. You call people cowards yet give out phoney email addresses.

    Look everyone, See How pussy this coward is:


    his report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields:

    Message-id:
    Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:06:54 -0500
    From:
    To:
    Subject: You Talk sh-t

    Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:

    Recipient address: laughingatyoursorryass@comcast.net
    Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
    Diagnostic code: smtp;551 not our customer
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    Like a typical White Trash Leftwing pussy!
    I email you and it's a phoney email address!

    Coward Watch writes the gambit about FOX & me. However, I am not a tool to FOX News Channel. I find them wrong on many points of ethics. I think for myself, and I say that we can not win the war on terror with a bunch of anti war bullys trying to denigrate the president. All of this while avoiding the FOX channel. Not all conservativetype people watch FOX News, and definately, there are conservatives that >>> do not like Rupert Murdoch

    The Left like their Cult leader Olbermann is straight up pussy.
    Calling people cowards but willing to back up their words.

    nameless at 6:09 wants to wait until Olbergeddon. That should be interesting: to see Keith Olbermann explode in virulance and misery ...

    Olbermann is a coward. Nuff said.
    Just like his followers who give out fake email addresses.

    Coward Watch/The Buffalo

    You're just mad your Mom and Dad were brother and sister!

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 5:33 PM

    Gosh am I laughing, this poor pathetic fool is limitted to repeating his critiques.

    Look why don't copy and paste my jabs at you and switch our names around.

    Better yet it would be more effective if you just kept repeating:

    "I'm rubber you're glue, what you say about me bounces off me and sticks on you"

    You are so pathetic.

    Mr. Cox and Johnny$,

    VOTE: yes

    Johnny monitors the site often enough to see it for what it is. You are doing a service for a number of people for various reasons and I still think the purpose you stated for the site's inception is being met, in general. Keep the site. I don't like censorship but pleaaase cut off anyone cutting and pasting excessive material.

    Woogie, you seem to be even newer than I am at this site. Believe me, Bushkill, one or more of the anonymous, and a few others have attacked me personally without provocation numerous times. Grammie (who doesn't need my assistance) has been wished dead. The name theft is fairly recent and the people on the receiving end really are whiners.

    Nameless/Buffalo/Coward Watch

    Is a coward and pussy!

    Coward Watch,
    that's why you gave me a fake email. You're a coward and you are pussy!
    I posted the evidence you coward. It's easy to run your mouth when you can't back it up!
    I'll call you sh-tmouth, since that's all that comes out of it.
    Like you messiah Olbermann!

    Sharon: Does that mean that they deserve to be on "the receiving end" deserve to be there? Keep talking --- the clues are starting to jump out faster and faster ...

    Nameless/Buffalo/Coward Watch

    Is a coward and pussy!

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 6:17 PM
    There you go. See it is much easier for you Pepsi and Cheeto's raised white trash brain to just copy and paste the jabs aimed at you instead of having to think for yourself.

    Now you can relax and just wait for the cheers to roll in from your constituents on the right who pat you on the back and tell you how creative and quick you are.

    You're a real hero

    Olbergeddon. I like it. J$, I think you should add that term to the Olbersaurus to indicate the date that Olby has the mother of all meltdowns.

    OWAUB,

    It is a free country. Robert Cox is free to maintain or drop the site. If it stays, then whoever wants to comment should do it. Assume the risk.

    6:24: I also thought of the name "Ol' Big Macc". The nickname is only two letters off of his real name (where 'ig' is, goes 'er'.) and even though he is not as fat as what I would imagine a human version of a Big Mac, he definately is a clown. Ha ha ha !

    Buffalo/No Name,
    "See it is much easier for you Pepsi and Cheeto's raised white trash brain:
    Describing your youth, in those Detriot trailer Parks?
    I was raised on Rice and Beans down here in sunny Sarasota!

    Why not give me your real email and lets settle this out of the Blogosphere?
    What are you scared!

    Let me post the email so everyone knows the fraud you are!

    his report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields:

    Message-id:
    Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:06:54 -0500
    From: "Geoge Martinez"
    To:
    Subject: You Talk sh-t

    Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:

    Recipient address: laughingatyoursorryass@comcast.net
    Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
    Diagnostic code: smtp;551 not our customer
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    You suck!!! you democracy hating traitor to freedom of the press!

    Posted by: Coward Watch at February 19, 2007 4:32 PM

    Coward Watch, hyperbolic and hysterical rants equating opponents with being little more than Hannity clones are especially assinine when you're the one who seems to be sitting at the feet of a Talking Head in that you've adopted Olbermann's "Fox Noise" jargon. What's next? Are you going to start combing your hair like his?

    You could write that crap in your sleep and you're putting your readers to sleep. Get a new gig.

    Cecelia,

    Coward Watch is a coward. He gave me a fake email because I wanted to see how much mouth he had out of his Trailer!

    Speaking of cowards, the anti war leftists stopped writing things to me. I guess they finally realized that I am correct.

    Olbermann fans are pussy like their leader!

    I recall Rush Limbaugh last November 8th morning. He said in disgust over the lost election, "I won't carry your water anymore."

    Do you think now that Keith Olbermann will be making more $ per minute than the Olby haters make per year, that Mr Cox will get tired of "caring the water" for the crew of losers here who tried and failed to silence one of America's greatest heroes of democracy? Keith Olbermann.

    Olbermann's demise was counted down for weeks here in the same manner that the November 7th elections were. And what happened? Total ass backward results.

    It would be a shame if this page is not here to fail one more time after Hilary Clinton takes the White House once again and restores this nation's reputation.

    Imagine the face of Sean "The Pussy" Hannity the day after Hilary wins. This misogynist coward pig who is fixated on Nancy Pelosi and Hilary Clinton will once again pretend he had nothing to do with the utter defeat of the Republicans.

    Sean Hannity is the most repulsive coward this nation ever put before a camera. He is so vile and disgusting to respectable Americans that any party he hacks for has to be a losing party!

    For this I am greatful to Rupert Murderdoch.

    The website/blog shoul end when Keith Olbermann gets some talent and stops reading cuecards of dull washed up news and doing same old same old clips taken straight off of the internet ...

    Obama Watch Us Bicker,

    You see I posted my email rejection receipt. The non name clown is Buffalo/Coward Watch. I wanted to see if he wanted to settle this outside of the blogosphere. But he didn't so I think his posts should be ignored. He calls people cowards but can't back up his missing tooth mouth!

    Is there a sandbox available where the liberal swine who piss on this site too frequently can go play with each other?

    It's scary that we share roads and air with these pathetic wretches.

    Posted by: Matt at February 19, 2007 4:15 PM


    Frankly, you don't seem any better.

    The Joker: What happens here should stay here. No fist fights, please ---

    Coward Watch,
    You lost all credibility. You're a pussy and a coward. I challenged you and you backed out like a bitch!
    A true pussy!

    Everyone,
    Let's ignore this loser. Maybe GM will rehire him!

    Interesting that Coward Watch just mentioned Hannity.

    I just went out for a while and there he was on the radio, spreading fear, divisiveness, and loathing with long breathless rants filled with ignorance and half truths.

    It is abosolutely astonishing how many misguided Americans are out there taking this blowhard seriously.

    Woogy: What wer Sean Hannity's topics and vitriols of ?!?!?

    Woogy: What wer Sean Hannity's topics and vitriols of ?!?!?

    Speaking of cowards, the anti war leftists stopped writing things to me. I guess they finally realized that I am correct.

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 6:33 PM

    No you are left, as in all that is left of the pathetic right wingers on this page. The only recognition you get is for being a ditto head who repeats Limbaugh/Hannity talking points emailed to them each morning by Karl Rove.

    You have never once posted a single intelligent thing here that hinted at being original.

    Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld lied to get us into this war and then failed to win it. We have spent nearly a half a trillion dollars on it and for what? For lower prices at the pump? For what?

    The only winners from this war are military industrial contractors and their stock holders. Haliburton being number one.

    You are a dumb ass with no brains who quotes Fox Noise garble.

    Come play your pretend games once more after the Clinton's take the White House and restore some dignity to this nation's reputation once more.

    Evangelicals had their moment in the sun. The result? 3300 dead GI's and a half a trillion dollars stolen from American tax payers and put into the pockets of billionaires.

    Go rent "Jesus Camp" or watch it on Youtube to see what kind of mindset is behind this nation's humiliation.

    Percent of Americans against prolonging this war 70%

    The percent of Americans in favor of Bill Clinton a week after the KKK Republican party impeached him? 70%

    Who lives in a pretend world? You do Bicker!

    You are loser and you really are showing it today!

    A pussy, a coward, and a pathetic loser!

    Just like Sean Hannity!

    Hey Johnny Dollar, I was just listening to the Mark Levin show. He had Ken Allard on to discuss his break with MSNBC. The focus of the segment was the Arkin episode and MSNBC's reaction but Allard took at least one shot at his good friend KO that I caught. Specifically, he took issue with Kieth's tendency to take cheap personal shots at his rivals. You might want to have a listen when you get a chance.

    Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor,
    He kept calling me Redwolf, whom I'm not.
    He kept calling me white trash, I'm Argentinian/Cuban. I wanted to see if he can back up his big mouth!
    Obviously he can't. He's pussy and should be ignored by all of us!

    Coward Watch: I do not listen to any other biased commentators for my opinnions. Postings that resemble others are coincidences. You, Coward Watch, just posted things that sound like they were pulled from the Nation. magazine. You should come back with an intelligent, topical remark one of these days.

    Daily Kos --- as well ---

    No Obama:

    We didn't stop "writing to you". We can't stay on the computer ALL the time.

    You're so delusional about this war thing that it is clear that no infusion of truth or reality seemingly could ever reach you.

    Your belief about the 'left' causing us to loose takes the cake. It is beyond delusional.

    An anti-war movement will erupt ANY and EVERY time a controversial war is started on foreign soil for dubious reasons. The ONLY way to get and keep 100% public support is to go to war only as a last resort, and only for all the right reasons. This is simple human nature and it should have been considered regardless of what you personally believe.

    The only alternative would be to take away all freedom of expression, and then we would become no better than the people we are fighting.

    You see I'm a not brave person. I was challenged today to back up my big mouth, but I backed out like a bitch! Therefore just ignore me. The drunk ramblings of loser!

    It is abosolutely astonishing how many misguided Americans are out there taking this blowhard seriously.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 6:41 PM

    That number would not be over 30%.

    Fox Noise cultists like to pretend qualitative ratings reflect approval of Murdoch's propaganda.

    I watch Fox often. Know thy enemy is a wise thing.

    The first amendment states a free press is vital to a free democracy.

    These democracy hating hacks think Haliburton and ExxonMobile should run this country.

    They hate America and what it was founded on. All they love is how Fox Noise is a refuge for the children of the Klan to feel like they fit in somewhere.

    Evangelism is what it is today for the same reason. These vermin spawned from the Kulture of the Klan will never repent (The South shall rise again) and they will admit their fore fathers sins of slavery and segregation.

    Doesn't matter if they live in North Dakota and were born in Canada, if they adopt the evangelical kulture of the Klan then they become the spawn of the Klan!

    Today is a day of humilation for them all, and they show it so well!

    Woogy: Saddam Hussein was a threat and a menace.You know this. What is stopping you from waking up that this was a "controversial" war --- oh yeah ... you do not want us to win it...

    Woogy: Saddam Hussein was a threat and a menace.You know this. What is stopping you from waking up that this was not a "controversial" war --- oh yeah ... you do not want us to win it...

    Woogy,
    If you noticed the penguin or I haven't jacked your name today. I respect you because I believe you are sincere in your beliefs. Unlike Coward Watch who's a hack!

    Liberals are supposed to see in shades of grey --- yet the war is seen in black and white --- what gives ?!?!?

    why are you complaining about having a popular website?

    6:57 P.M.: I think that there is more to the story than meets the type. Maybe this is a secrecy thing ...

    The only alternative would be to take away all freedom of expression, and then we would become no better than the people we are fighting.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 6:53 PM

    Woogy you are the man! Unfortunately these low life haters of freedom and democracy live in a cult like atmosphere of denial and delusion.

    What you wrote any second grader would understand but these pin heads would never get it. It is kind of like Bush saying Jesus is his favorite person in the first Pres debates. They sucked that sh-t up like it was apple pie.

    These idiots don't give a dam about what makes sense. As all creatures of the Klan they live in denial. How else did church going bible carrying people enslave their fellow man for 400 years and then add injury to insult with 100 years of segregation after losing a war to divide this nation where 600,000 Americans lost their lives.

    It is a kulture of denial. It has been fine tuned for hundreds of years. It is manifested today in the world of Evangelicals!


    Jesus Camp, watch it today!

    This is the only sight that exposes his lies. It must stay!

    Obama: So you want me to recap Hannity's show for you?. Sorry but I can only take a few minutes of this blowhard at a time.

    He was pontificating about some Imam he interviewed who vowed "they were gonna see America burn", then he got on a kick about AL Gore's so called hypocracy regarding global warming.

    Last week (Thursday before last), he was still puffing about the Pelosi 'planegate" farse for about the one hundreth time, EVEN AFTER the press release had been put out setting the record straight that the plane had been requested by Bill Livingood, the Republican appointed Sergeant of Arms had been the one to request that plane, NOT Nancy Pelosi.

    Did this fool ever apologize or even bother to set the record straight with his crowd - I doubt it!

    Tom: Keith Olbermann, while being a left wing schill --- is more of a truth hider than a huge liar ... he will talk about thee most boring, lame, washed-up news topics, rather than make a vibatious, interesting, and down to Earth witty show. It is just the same old Oddball/interview a comedian bull dink.

    "Woogy, Saddam was a threat and menace, you know this"

    No I don't "know this"! He was fully contained, didn't even have full control over his own country, his militery was week and gutted, and he was actually an adversary and a problem to Al Queada.

    Did this fool ever apologize or even bother to set the record straight with his crowd - I doubt it!

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 7:04 PM

    No of course he never did. He knew he was spreading lies the entire he was doing it. He did this for 8 years the Clinton's were in the White House.

    Sean Hannity's grandparents are from the same county in Ireland that my grandparents were from. He is especially despicable to me for being such a slime ball and having shared roots with me.

    http://www.hannityisamoron.com/

    Hannity is the number one pussy in America today. If the Republican party sold California to Mexico tomorrow for $5 dollars he would say it was Bill Clinton's fault.

    This guy is the scum of the earth!

    Woogy: Start making sense. He had the weaponry at his disposal, he had many scientists up his sleave, and he tried to assassinate George H. W. Bush as revenge for the Gulf War I !

    My Grandparents were Brother and sister who parents were raped by the English!

    Obama, I've BEEN making 'sense...perfect sense. But I've got to get some work done, so I'm gone for now.

    It is just the same old Oddball/interview a comedian bull dink.

    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker in Technicolor at February 19, 2007 7:08 PM

    And oh, it got him a renewed contract for millions of dollars. You forgot that part.

    The guy is a rock star hero and you my friend are a cry baby zero!

    Keith Olbermann - American Hero!

    Robert / Johnny

    I'm all for keeping this site up. At least until the 08' elections. Anything can happen. Let's use this piece of fantasy that could come true.

    Hillary will most likely get the nod from the Democrats. LET THE SUCK-UP FEST BEGIN!!!!

    And if by some strange miracle, (not really since Neil Bortz said she is going to win.) You could have Olby getting Tony Snow's job. And I'm sure you will have got some white house press passes by then.

    Olbermannwatch go's to the white house, Oh baby! Could this be fun or what!!!!!!!!!!

    Robert--

    I think there is value in continuing to keep the site open. I have never been a part of the "I hope Olbermann goes away" crowd. I root for Olbermann to stay on the air, as repellent and dishonest as he is professionally and personally. Why? I analogize Olbermann to Howard Dean when Howie was in full campaign mode during the 2004 election (ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!) You knew that Howie was going to have his Meltdown momemt and that it was only a matter of time. The dynamics that caused Howie's freefall so rapidly is that he was in the public eye constantly and was forced to answer tough adversarial questions as a candidate until he finally imploded and was relegated to now insignificant figurehead status he occupies today who is scorned and laughed at.

    What does the tale of Howie Dean have to do w/ Olbermann and Olbermann watch? Like Howie, you know Olbermann is going to go over the brink someday. We have already seen how he is inching closer and closer (tells hecklers to "kill" themselves, flashes the Seig Heil salute at a public event and laughs about it on Leno, endorses nutty statements about our troops being "mercenaries" and on and on).

    Olby Watch serves a valuable function in chronicling those Meltdown moments and it will continue to do so until the day arrives that Olby's mental illness flares like a supernova and he goes completely apesh-t. I predict that this will happen when his arrogance gets the best of him and he decides to debate with someone of an opposing view and gets his clock cleaned. Someone with the magnitude of charcter disordered personality that Olby has will simply decompensate when challenged and shown to be wrong.

    OlbermannWatch will continue to issue challeneges to Keith, drawing lines in the sand and daring him to allow dissenting voices on the show. One day, Olby will act against his best interest and sucuumb to that temptation. That will be the beginning of the Howie Dean Meltdown moment. And Olbermann Watch can play a role in making that happen.

    Carry on, Bob and Johnny!

    I'm a coward who when challenged backs out like a bitch!

    My Greatgrandparents were rape victims!

    I jerk off when I think of Hillary. I drink to the death of every American!

    Coward Watch: If MSNBC like dull, boring, rehashed, unenergetic, news commentary that is the same old political garbage ... then it is their problem.

    My Grandparents were Brother and sister who parents were raped by the English!

    Posted by: Coward Watch at February 19, 2007 7:16 PM

    Actually they came to this nation married at age 17 and 18 and raised 5 kids in Detroit Michigan. Those 5 kids had 49 children between them and 100% of those grandchildren went on to get college degrees and become successful at raising a families of their own. Albeit much smaller families though. The days of large Catholic families for the Irish are over.

    None of the many descendants of those Irish immigrants from County Cork ever lived in the southern states. We all new of the Klu Klux Klan and the Kulture of hate they spawned. Today there's just a skeleton crew left of them and their days are numbered as the south finally gets past it's evil past.

    Strong Irish Catholic family background vs. the evil Evangelical Kulture of hate? You know who wins that one every time!

    By zero, hello to a new America. It took a few hundred years but as the old Negro spiritul goes... "We shall over come one day".

    Keith Olbermann is a foot soldier fighting evil in this nation!

    Hero!

    Do not close!!!! This web site is one of few places I can go to know there is sanity check on KO. I would also suggest that you do something similar to the other left wing ideologue on MSNBC Chris Matthews. Some of the same stuff that comes out of his mouth on a daily basis is just as bad as KO.

    Coward Watch: Your biography is good until the end, where all of the sudden, Keith Olbermann pops in and becomes some kind of hero to your people. Keith Olbermann is no kind of hero. More like a luck leftist that found a viewership at the very oppurtunistic time.

    Woozy, the more of your posts I read, the more I feel sorry for you. You are horribly brain washed. You need to stay off the moveon website and get some real news.

    SPECIAL ALERT: Has the time come to shut down Olbermann Watch?

    Oh god no! This pathetic site is good for some hearty chuckles. Please keep it up!

    How about Cowardly pussy Irish Catholics who were Slaves Vs. Spanish Catholics whose ancestors controlled 1/3 of the Earth!

    Your sad ancestors ran from the English and used to come hungry to Spain. We used them as cannon fodder for Imperial army, so we didn't spill our precious Latin blood.
    Your ancestors were conquered, mine were conquerers!
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    Keith is priceless, give him whatever he wants 51% (3769 votes)
    $4 million a year sounds about right 16% (1218 votes)

    You are in the minority on your own site. So, so sad.

    Your ancestors were conquered and raped by the English!
    Ha ha ha ha ha!
    Your family lives in Detriot Trailer parks!
    Ha ha ha ha ha!

    MY Spanish Ancestors defeated Dutch, French, German Protestants, Turks, Africans, Arabs, Asians, and Native americans!
    Ha ha ha ha ha!

    Ireland got conquered and Rape!
    Loser!

    I jerk off when I think of Hillary. I drink to the death of every American!

    Posted by: Coward Watch at February 19, 2007 7:25 PM
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    The last death throws of a loser who battled me on this page and lost a humiliating loss every time.

    Now the loser resorts to posting under my name in the identical way Redwolf the nazi klansman did.

    How pathetic such vermin are. They lost the Civil War and then lost Civil Rights war. Now they are losing the cultural war.

    One day the Confederate flag waving trailer trash fake Christians will fade away completely and maybe we can salvage what is left of our democracy before the Fox Noise cult grows any larger.

    This is the face of white southern protestants today. Posting garbage like this. This is the product of the culture of Evangelism. Hate and sexual perversion. Ted Haggard foot soldiers singing Jerry Farwell and Jimmy Swaggart hymens.

    "onward Christian soldiers..."

    Thank Jesus, thank you lord!

    You're right! My ancestors were slaves who raped by the English!

    Hey Coward Watch, Barack Obama is an Evangelical Christian. Does that make Keith a foot soldier against Obama??

    Answer truthfully.

    Coward Watch,
    How does it feel your pathetic drunk Irish ancestors were used for Canoon Fodder by the my Spanish Ancestors!
    The drunken fools who were good for the 1st assault!
    They died, so Castillian blood doesn't spill!
    Ha ha ha ha!

    Actually 'Jeff', I've only looked at moveon.org one time in my life. Just before the 2004 election.

    No, I'm not lying.

    You are the one that is a current member of the living brainwashed, just like I was when I was young and naive, during the Vietnam War years.

    Woogy supported the Vietnamese War ?!?!? You sure are a hypocrite, Woogy ...

    My ancestors were losers who were thrown on the front lines of the Spanish Army, so precious Latin blood wouldn't spill!
    My Irish ancestors were drunken losers!

    I'm scared of Spanish people so I back away when challenged by them!
    I hate that they are taking away our jobs!
    Oh well us lazy union Irish drunks just collect food stamps while Spanish people work hard!

    HOW exactly does becoming enlightened and learning the truth years after being brainwashed by one's own parents make one a 'hypocrite', Obama? You sure have some wierd ideas!

    The other fallacy of your post is that Iraq is not Vietnam, although some of the similarities are scary.

    Woogy, you truly think of your parents as having BRAINWASHED you as opposed to raising you the best they could based on their own values.

    No matter what values are at play, how else can parents raise their children if not informed by their own values.

    To varying degrees we all reject and/or embrace some of our parent's values. I hope you don't accuse your parents to their face of brainwashing you. That would be cold.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Gramie

    As long as you post on this site, I will read it.

    Woozy, I'm not brainwashed. I am full of facts and truth. I get my news from Micheal Savage, Fox news, Glenn Beck and once in a while I will catch some Rush. Olbyperv is strictly entertainment....

    Woozy, I'm not brainwashed. I am full of facts and truth. I get my news from Micheal Savage, Fox news, Glenn Beck and once in a while I will catch some Rush. Olbyperv is strictly entertainment....

    Janet:

    I guess we can all depend on you to parse my words when I was trying to respond to another post using as few words as necessary.

    My parents and I are (were) very close, and my surviving parent fully understands, and even agrees, to a large extent, with my current views.

    In fact my mother was torn very hard during the 2004 election because she felt Bush was less than an honorable president, but she was also torn about Kerry's anti Vietnam war activity, which she felt did dishonor my father to some degree. My father was a veteran of three wars and served twice in Vietnam.

    Yes, I was brainwashed because I was only exposed to this one point of view, and my parents were brainwashed as well in a manner of speaking, because he was in the military and we lived overseas most of the time on military bases, therefore the only news we ever got was filtered through Armed Forces Radio and Military newspapers.

    To me, the definition of brainwashing is being exposed to only one point of view, whether you do it to yourself, or it is imposed upon you by others.

    And PPUULLEEAASSEE, don't anyone bring up how Olbermann only allows one point of view in response to this post.

    "woozy, I'm not brainwashed. I am full of facts and truth. I get my news from Michael Savage, Fox News, Glenn Beck, and once in a while I will catch some Rush"...

    Wow, I'm assumming you made this post just to pull my chain a little, because you are one sad, sad, case if that is true.

    If it IS true, I at least give you some credit for admitting it.

    Woogy, I commented on what you said. If I misunderstood your meaning based on your word choice I apologise.

    Brainwashing is a very strong term even when used casually as you did. The first definition of the word is:

    brain·wash·ing .....
    –noun
    1. a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Gramie

    Please keep this site going. Someone needs to hold KO accountable.

    Olbermann is a coward. Nuff said.
    Just like his followers who give out fake email addresses.

    Posted by: The Joker at February 19, 2007 6:16 PM

    tHE jOKER WAS ACTUALLY STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK THAT
    laughingatyoursorryass@comcast.net was a real email address.

    The Joker is the DUMBEST PERSON IN THE WORRRRRLLLLLDDDD

    It was absolutely stunning, chilling to hear Grammie Hawkins make the all time ultimate excuse for her republicans:
    "($10billion) is an acceptable loss during wartime"

    This is just amazing.

    She must now be called the all time biggest Bush apologist ever !

    You're a disgrace !

    Posted by: Cecelia at February 19, 2007 3:57 PM

    Cecilia is one of the most mean spirited people going on this site.

    What a hypocrite she is !

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 4:33 PM

    But I'm never boring, which was my complaint about current posters in the first place, einstein.

    yawn

    Cecilia is bored to tears when people post the truth about issues that she doesn't want to hear.
    Like how poorly the war is going, how Bush is f---ing up everything he touches.

    We will continue to bore you with the truth, Cecila.

    The Decider, it is stunning and chilling to see how you so blithely put words in my mouth that I didn't say while failing to mention what I did say.

    You're a disgrace.

    Janet Hawkins
    AKA Gramie

    I also wish to say that if this site were to be shut down, it would unfortunately give Keith ("Free Speech, So Long As It's In Agreement With The Hard Left Agenda") Olbermann ammo to brag that he "silenced" another of his "opponents." And given the efforts by hard-lefties Kucinich and Bernie Sanders to shove the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" down everyone's throats, and all else, this could be considered a dangerous time for TRUE free speech, as opposed to the Left's version of it. Especially with the radical Bolshevik Democrats now in control.

    OK Cecelia, I'm all ears, whats so exciting about YOUR posts?

    Look what Pat Buchanon, one of the few true CONSERVATIVES left, just said; "we attacked a country that did not attack us, did not threaten us, did not want war with us, to deprive them of of weapons of mass destruction that they did not have".

    OK Cecelia, I'm all ears, whats so exciting about YOUR posts?

    Look what Pat Buchanon, one of the few true CONSERVATIVES left, just said; "we attacked a country that did not attack us, did not threaten us, did not want war with us, to deprive them of of weapons of mass destruction that they did not have".

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 9:09 PM

    The truth( if it affects her republicans) always bores Cecilia.

    To me, the definition of brainwashing is being exposed to only one point of view, whether you do it to yourself, or it is imposed upon you by

    And PPUULLEEAASSEE, don't anyone bring up how Olbermann only allows one point of view in response to this post.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 8:38 PM


    Why not? Because you'd then have to label Olbermann a brainwasher in order to adhere to your previously tortured reasoning and inaccurate defining of the term "brainwash"?

    But more likely it's because you're less enamored of the airing of varying viewpoints than you'd like to admit. Especially when the opinions seeing the light of day are those you don't hold.

    How could you NOT be an Olbermann fan...

    I was not surprised by KO's contract. For MSNBC his ratings are good. If he was at FOX he would be fired. I was surprised by the length of it tho. I thought they would give him until the 08 elections . Lets face it when GB goes so do many of KO's viewers. I suppose if a Republican wins he can keep some . But I dont think the hate he talks about GB with will be even close for the new prez. And if a Dem gets in ? PLEASE. He's toast. If any KO lovers thinks he can do well if a Dem is elected ( especially Hillary ) let me know who his audience is going to be. Some might lie or really believe they would still watch him but after softballs to the people in power, with Dem puppets his guests,you would finally see him for the fraud he is or say you have just grown tired of him.

    OK Cecelia, I'm all ears, whats so exciting about YOUR posts?

    Look what Pat Buchanon, one of the few true CONSERVATIVES left, just said; "we attacked a country that did not attack us, did not threaten us, did not want war with us, to deprive them of of weapons of mass destruction that they did not have".


    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 9:09 PM

    He did, huh? So I'm supposed to run that fact up the flag pole and salute it?

    Pat Buchanan has also said that the U.S. should have never fought against Germany during WWII because Hitler was not directly threatening the U.S.

    Free-thinker that I am, I've often managed to disagree with your sterling example of a "true conservative" when he doesn't voice my opinions.

    The truth( if it affects her republicans) always bores Cecilia.

    Posted by: at February 19, 2007 9:15 PM

    No, you bore me.

    Cecelia:

    There you go again Mrs. Cecelia, I done asked you not to do something and there you went and did it anyway! Is THAT your definition of more creating excitement on this blog.

    If one were to get all or most of their information from Olbermann's show, I would certainly agree with you, but I SERIOUSLY doubt if many of his watchers do that.

    Most people who watch news and political shows well into and past prime time are information junkies who are already far better informed than the average American, regardless of their viewpoint.

    Some might lie or really believe they would still watch him but after softballs to the people in power, with Dem puppets his guests,you would finally see him for the fraud he is or say you have just grown tired of him.

    Posted by: karris56 at February 19, 2007 9:23 PM

    I don't have any problem with Keith Olbermann staying on the air. I don't think Olbermann's contract renewal is a threat at all to Olbermann Watch as much is the fact that Olbermann (and now, evidently, MSNBC) is overtly being billed as talking head to the Kos Kids.

    That aspect of Olbermann Watch's goal has been fulfilled.

    Robert,

    To answer your original post, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. J$ only parrots Fox News, talk radio, and red blog sources to refute Olbermann anyway. Most of the people upset by Olbermann's spin already frequent these media. This blog only provides confirmation for those people and the ire of Olbyloons.

    Since I fall into neither category, I usually come here just to see what will set J$ off, not for any actual information. Olbermann's spin is pretty transparent, at least to me.

    So, keep it going/don't keep it going. I really don't care.

    So, what do you disagree with about what Pat Buchanon just said (about Iraq)?

    He was simple stating facts. That was not an opinion about what "we should have done", he simply stated the facts about Iraq, and what we actually did.

    There you go again Mrs. Cecelia, I done asked you not to do something and there you went and did it anyway! Is THAT your definition of more creating excitement on this blog.

    If one were to get all or most of their information from Olbermann's show, I would certainly agree with you, but I SERIOUSLY doubt if many of his watchers do that.

    Most people who watch news and political shows well into and past prime time are information junkies who are already far better informed than the average American, regardless of their viewpoint.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 9:36 PM

    No, that's not my idea of creating excitement on a blog. It was merely the logical reaction to having been forbidden to respond in a logic manner to obvious hypocrisy.

    Evidently, even you are able to extend your own tortured reasoning abilities only so far. Otherwise, you'd be able to follow their natural conclusions to the point where you'd understand that in order for someone to have been "brainwashed" by being exposed to one sole viewpoint from a party who willfully only aired one viewpoint (in your example the good ole U.S. of A. military...NATURALLLLY...((like there aren't English language papers and media overseas...)) then they'd be victim of a brainwasher. That's a conclusion that would have to encompass your man Olbermann as well.

    So, what do you disagree with about what Pat Buchanon just said (about Iraq)?

    He was simple stating facts. That was not an opinion about what "we should have done", he simply stated the facts about Iraq, and what we actually did.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 9:41 PM

    He arrived at precisely the same conclusions when it came to Hitler and Germany.

    Get a better "real conservative" to be poster boy for your opinions.

    I see you have 4 possible answers for shutting down KO watch or not.Aren't answers 2 and 4 the same ?

    If you want to go on bickering about my choice of the word 'brainwashing' for hours, so be it, but I'd have to call that pretty 'borring', to quote your own words, not to mention - petty as well.

    I was a kid, I was in a military family, I was overseas on a military base, and no, there were no choices of English language papers that I knew of available to me. An yes, I was 'brainwashed' in a realistic manner of speaking. It was pretty much the rough equivalent of only having Fox 'News' as your only source of information.

    My first exposure to the "other side' was ironically, when I joined the military myself, and came face to face with some of the very same anti - war protesters who my parents had been labeling 'anti-Americans' (yes, Cecelia, a lot of war protesters joined the Air Force to escape being drafted into the Army back then).

    Once again Cecelia, I quoted a FACT statement by Buchanon, NOT an opinion, or a 'conclusion'. Go back and read what I posted again.

    Yes, it IS well known the Buchanon was against this invasion, but that opinion is NOT what I posted.

    Olbermann Watch.com,
    It's site certainly ran out of t'ime.
    The contract extended, not expired,
    Sorry Kedith was not fired...
    This is more than I can qualm.

    Woogy writes, "If you want to go on bickering about my choice of the word 'brainwashing' for hours, so be it, but I'd have to call that pretty 'borring', to quote your own words, not to mention - petty as well."

    You mean if I want to go on pointing out that by your own definition of the term "brainwashing" and by your own relating as to how your parents and the U.S. military limited your scope of information, you should be the first to condemn a one-trick pony who won't even allow a contradictory voice on air in order to have to TRY AND TALK OVER THEM.... not really...you've pretty exposed all there is to know about you already.

    How about this solution: Forget about Keith Olbermann as the siteholders want to --- but move to the right wing's version of lies and distortion: Rush Limbaugh ?!?!?

    Once again Cecelia, I quoted a FACT statement by Buchanon, NOT an opinion, or a 'conclusion'. Go back and read what I posted again.

    Yes, it IS well known the Buchanon was against this invasion, but that opinion is NOT what I posted.

    Posted by: Woogy at February 19, 2007 10:10 PM

    No, you issued a faulty and specious appeal to authority based upon what you thought was the status of your "true conservative" Pat Buchanan. You did this in order to imply that no "true" conservative would disagree.

    Unfortunately for you, the authority in question is just about the biggest isolationist/nationalist on the political scene today.

    Again, if you must issue quotes from conservatives as though I'm so...brainwashed...as to feel compelled by their opinions... (as though their agreement with YOU confers some sort of "true conservative" status upon them)....get a less notoriously isolationist one.


    Cecelia:

    You are wrong again! Darn it, Cecelia, why do you have to get it wrong so often?.

    I stated nothing but facts: Buchanon is a true conservative. I never said he cornered that market on conservative thought.

    I noted he was a 'conservative' mainly to point out a truth I have been pointing out for some time; The very stupid idea of invading and occupying Iraq was NOT a conservative idea at all - never was, never will be!

    I also quoted what he said because it was a very good quote, and, it was a FACT.

    Many on this site still seem to think supporting the invasion, and the war is a 'conservative' idea, while opposing it is 'liberal' idea. NOT SO!

    Anyway, I'm glad I'm not 'boring' you like the other posters!

    > Buchanon is a true conservative

    Your knowledge of this "true conservative" must be deep and wide. So you know that he opposed WW2. You know that he wants to stop all immigration, even legal immigration. You know that he has defended Nazi war criminals.

    Of course you know all this. Because you know he's a "true conservative". But you don't even know how to spell his name.

    The explanation seems clear :

    You lost.

    Despite thousands of hours spent slandering KO, more and more people are watching him. He wins, you lose, go home with your tail between your legs.

    And where are these people you claim watch Olbermann? Not only has he never beaten O'Reilly in the overalls or in the demo, he's never even been able to put together a solid week of coming in second to him.

    Keep monitoring this program. Its like watching a train wreck. Here we have a twisted host with sidekicks named slippery dickery and doc. What's not to like?

    I feel like the host of Fernwood Tonight patiently watching his freakshow guests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0E7x3Nqys

    Please DO NOT ever stop this very important site! I couldn't live without reading Johnny Dollar's FANTASTIC reviews of the Hour Of Spin. It's the only thing that help keeps my sanity!

    No way should this website even remotely stop !!!

    MSNBC just did this (see the link below) and this really scares me !!! There is no way that MSNBC can keep Keith Olbermann, that lousy, wannabe, loser of a news anchor & commentator and still think that they have a 1-up in temrs of their competitors... If they dare think of cancelling website ... they will win in the ugly media wars !!!

    I think you should tuck tail and run.

    Keep this site going - I can't stand olberdonkey!!! and this way, I can get a synopsis without having to listen to the a$$hat.

    Of course, any NBC-related (print, broadcast or internet) can be summed up as: bushco sucks, hitlary rules, yada yada.

    Kieth Olberman is the most anti American,liberal elitist person I have ever seen. The show is not only boring but will do anything to bash conservatives (even if he has to inflate information!) His show will burn - out, and so will he!

    It's difficult to find the "worst" thing about Keith Uberputz, but I'd say the top reason he's such a piece of sh-t (literally, he was delivered out of an anus) is that he's SO over the top Leftist and tries to deny it as if we're all as stupid as he is.

    I think that this website should remain open atleast until January 20, 2009. After that date, Keith's position will no longer be relevant. If Hillary Clinton wins, he will just kiss her butt. If John McCain wins, he will just repeat everything he has said the last few years of his show and just replace "Mr. Bush" with "Mr. McCain".

    Keith Olbermann American hero champion of democracy and a free press.

    Olbermann haters? Anti democracy pussy cowards!

    Keep the site up! Someone has to keep the Olbyspinmeister accountable. The MSM certainly won't!

    Of course, any NBC-related (print, broadcast or internet) can be summed up as: bushco sucks, hitlary rules, yada yada.

    Posted by: jdawg at February 21, 2007 1:23 AM

    Page closing means one thing, you were wrong all along. KO is King, Billo Orally is a loser.

    Why don't you people just get a life and crawl back to FOX.

    If you want to drink the sand, go ahead. Don't make the rest of the world conform to your bullsh-t.

    GOP = cowards.

    Is that TVNewser Brian, Olbermann's unofficial PR agent posting at 6:20 pm? what? get tired of spinning for Olby at your own site and had to visit this one?

    Keith Olberman is an American Hero

    Is that TVNewser Brian, Olbermann's unofficial PR agent posting at 6:20 pm? what? get tired of spinning for Olby at your own site and had to visit this one?

    Posted by: Brandon at February 26, 2007 6:52 PM

    Since you keep repeating yourself, I'll keep repeating my line on Keith being an "American hero". Yeah, he's an American but he's only a hero if you define "hero" to be a sandwich stuffed full of baloney and ham.

    A hero is someone like Bob Woodruff, someone like Anderson Cooper, you know, someone who sticks their neck out of a studio once in awhile. Your buddy Olby only reports from the field if the field in question is a baseball field.

    A hero is someone like Bob Woodruff, someone like Anderson Cooper, you know, someone who sticks their neck out of a studio once in awhile. Your buddy Olby only reports from the field if the field in question is a baseball field.

    Posted by: Brandon at February 28, 2007 11:16 AM

    When Cooper or Woodruff get their own show and become a real American Hero like Keith then they too can stay in the studio. Until such time they will have to work their way to the top like Keith Olbermann has.