How long until Keith Olbermann leaves MSNBC because his contract went up ?

"He went out of his way to embrace Arkin's arguments as "valid". Cogent. Correct. True."

That's only ONE way to define "valid". Here's another (from Webster's dictionary): "being at once relevant and meaningful".

Olbermann can say it is "valid" in this context because it is RELEVANT (criticism about a current and ongoing situation) and MEANINGFUL without saying it is TRUE or CORRECT.

Yeah, troops are dummies who are getting obscene amentities despite "every rape and murder". That's really "meaningful". I didn't see Allard saying "valid". Will you stop at nothing to defend the undefensible?

Ensign Expendable: Your connotation of the word valid cannot be true, for this reason: When Keith Olbermann said "valid criticism" of the piece, yet Bill O' Reilly's perceptio was not a "valid" (with your definition) perception of Bill O' Reilly's views. Bill O' Reilly was proclaimed as "paranoid ravings about NBC News". Not "valid" despite the fact that Bill O' Reilly was topical, as well.

Will you stop at nothing to smear the ONLY person who GIVES A f--- about this CLUSTERf--- that the Bush Administration dumped us into?

I'm sick of this CRAP. You LIE about Nancy Pelosi. You LIE about Barack Obama. You LIE AND LIE about ANYONE who says word one that runs counter to your worldview. ANYTHING to salve your pride and shut Keith Olbermann up. You DISMISS legitimate counterarguments because they're "lame" or "unverifiable" or "partisan", yet use the SAME UNVERIFIABLE AND PARTISAN sources to defend your positions.

> I'm sick of this CRAP.

Lucky for you, a cure has just been developed. Leave.

Man, this guy sucks...

A man can be best judged by his words. And KO has a script that every night he has to approve, so his words are not faux pas. So KO knew what he said. He tries to pretend he is not anti american or anti troop because he would turn off half his 800k viewers if it was brought to light. Well fat man, your words have indicted you!

I decided to have a look at the O' Reilly/Allard debate and I have got to say, Keith Olbermann should not have placed Bil O' Reilly as first place, worst person in th worl.

He should have gotten Bronze.

He was not thee worst for the interview, but I do think that Bill O' Reilly was trying to start a conflict of some kind with NBC. It is truly apparent.

As for Keith Olberman agreeing with this awfull column?!? Like I initiall had said: When is Keith Olbermann leaving television, already ??? I have had enough of this crooked journalist's cowardice. Huh!!!

Olbermann has tripped himself up with his hatred of O'Reilly: Did the San Antonio Express News also "force words" from Allard's pen?

Were they "swine" for "using" Allard?

If O'Reilly is to (somehow) be condemned for having Col. Allard on, how about the Express News?

Why single out O'Reilly and not the newspaper?

Furthermore, Allard freely appeared on the show. He wasn't dragged on. Although he clearly had some difficulty speaking, he was lucid and his words coherent and, dare I say, articulate.

What's Olbermann's beef?

This is really despicable. I know that the Right has taken a number of very difficult blows in the last couple of years, and I know that hurts. To have a philosophy important to you being so widely rejected is unsettling, particularly when that philosophy showed some signs of waxing. But to smear someone with the unpatriotic label simply because he or she disagrees with you, or to try support your own cause by arguing "I am right because I am patriotic," is truly beneath contempt. "McCarthy" and "McCarthyism" are too frequently and inappropriately used these days, but this really smacks of that era, of those despised tactics. To do what has been done in this snippet is to admit to the entire world that you have no susbtantive arguments left, that you have lost. It almost makes me feel pity for someone at the same time I am disgusted by them. This really needs to stop.

"know that the Right has taken "

The Right?

This is one person making the charge against Olbermann. Direct your comments at that person.

I can find people on the left claiming that Bush engineered 9/11.

Does that mean "the left" is smearing Bush?

If repeating Olbermann's words constitutes a smear, then you have truly begun to understand Olbermann.

> But to smear someone with the unpatriotic label

Funny, but the first person to describe it this way is you, M Schultz. I never claimed anyone in this kerfuffle was unpatriotic, but if that's what you take from Olbermann's words, that's your call.

when is Olby going to wake up and realize that no one takes this guy seriously-people know him as the dude that got fired from ESPN, not some "serious" newscaster,he's a joke to cable news.

The money that was handed out from the back of trucks was given to mercaneries. Arkin is 100% correct in his statement.

The money that was handed out from the back of trucks was given to mercaneries. Arkin is 100% correct in his statement

He wasn't referring to that. He said "So, we pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to speak up because they are above society? The recent NBC report is just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary - oops sorry, volunteer - force that thinks it is doing the dirty work."

He referred to American soldiers. Supplied, paid for, and commisioned by the government to serve the U.S. They're not mercenaries.

As the republicans become more and more irrelevant, they are also making up more ridiculous excuses for global warming.
As the world prepares to make adjustments and formulate "green" policies, our ignorant right wing just gets battier and battier.
The most recent excuse for global warming was by Republican CA congressman Dana Rohrabacher who said, " Global Warming May Have Been Caused By Dinosaur Flatulence."

We already have a president who is the laughing stock of the world. Apparently, the GOP members in congress are even trying to outdue Chimpy.

We already have a president who is the laughing stock of the world. Apparently, the GOP members in congress are even trying to outdue Chimpy.

What do the republicans in the Congress have to do with this?

The soldiers in Iraq should be wearing the uniform of all the MNC's that led us into this war. Our soldiers.. er cannon fodder were sold to this warm pile of spit POS and he offered them up to his billionaire buddies. They are mercaneries.. and they have no say in it.. It is the most distrubing thing this country has seen in 60 years.

" Global Warming May Have Been Caused By Dinosaur Flatulence."

the point of that statement was to illustrate that we dont know all the causes of global warming and to the degree they affect the enviroment (i.e. cow releasing methane versus carbon released from cars) His point is for people to stop saying they know exactly whats the PRIMARY cause when no one really knows the severity of all the causes.

POLL: Only 13 Percent Of Congressional Republicans Believe In Man-Made Global Warming

National Journal has released a new "Congressional Insiders Poll," which surveyed 113 members of Congress " 10 Senate Democrats, 48 House Democrats, 10 Senate Republicans, and 45 House Republicans " about their positions on global warming.

The results were startling. Only 13 percent of congressional Republicans say they believe that human activity is causing global warming, compared to 95 percent of congressional Democrats. Moreover, the number of Republicans who believe in human-induced global warming has actually dropped since April 2006, when the number was 23 percent.

Question: Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems?

The last Congressional Insiders Poll on global warming was in April 2006. Subsequently:

In June 2006, the National Academy of Sciences, an independent organization created by Congress to provide scientific guidance, unequivocally concluded that natural causes cannot explain the unprecedented warmth over the last 400 years. Rather, "human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming," the report states.

In February 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded for the first time that global warming is "unequivocal" and that human activity is the main driver, "very likely" causing most of the rise in temperatures since 1950.

Nevertheless, belief in global warming among Republicans in Congress dropped by 10 points.

OUR BACKWARD REPUBLICANS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE JETHROS AT THIS SITE.

"They are mercaneries.. and they have no say in it.. "

My, what a charming post.

I liked it better when you were wanting everyone you didn't like to die horrible deaths.

You're a very very strange person.

The soldiers in Iraq should be wearing the uniform of all the MNC's that led us into this war. Our soldiers.. er cannon fodder were sold to this warm pile of spit POS and he offered them up to his billionaire buddies. They are mercaneries.. and they have no say in it.. It is the most distrubing thing this country has seen in 60 years.

first of all, by calling our soldiers mercaneries, you have proven a theory i have about you. Thank you.

Secondly, while your comment about soldiers not having a choice in this war is noble and reaking of virtuous insight, how often have soldiers ever had any say in what wars they fought? By your logic, all soldiers of all governments in the history of the world have been mercenaries. If you believe that, well, then I'm just sad for you.

The obvious purpose of this site is for the right wing to take out their venom on the ways things are going in this country, so instead of attacking the actually ones responsible for the downward cycle, KO becomes their bullseye.
What? You think the Olbyhaters are going to blame the Congress that's been in charge the past 6 years, or the executive branch ?

Keith Olbermann is responsible for failure of the Iraq War, gigantic national debt, no energy policy, the culture of corruption etc, etc.

Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems?

reasonable doubt may be the key words there. For instance I absolutly believe global warming is occuring and that human forces are contributing to it to a degree. It is both a question of the degree to which we are contributing (in my mind anywhere from 20 to 95%) as opposed to other forces that may be contributing more, such as those unknown forces that made the middle ages warmer? It is foolish to say global warming is not affected by mankind, but it is equally foolish to say we are the sole contributers when there is still a great deal about the earth's climate patterns we don't understand.

"The obvious purpose of this site is for the right wing to take "

Would you care to comment on or defend the program done by Keith Olbermann?

The only people here who are changing the topic or diverting the debate are folks like you who opine on a dozen subjects that have nothing to do with Keith Olbermann or Countdown.

If you can't defend his "news reporting" or the "news show" then say so. Don't raise other unrelated topics that do nothing bu sidetrack the discussion.

Obviously, you can; it's not my blog. But it's indicative of your inability to defend the subject at hand.

"your inability to defend the subject at hand".

I have a hard time understanding you people's need to see every controversial thing said by Olbermann 'defended'. It's as if you think all you need to do is succeed in convincing Olbermann watchers that he is not perfect, and they will magically become Olby haters like yourselves.

So he has some flaws. We accept that, and still like the show. He states a point of view that sorely NEEDS to be aired, flaws and all.

Show me someone without some character flaws, and I'll show you someone who isn't human.

"And while he has left indirect implications that disparage US troops, Keith Olbermann has been careful to avoid leaving fingerprints..."Posted by johnny dollar at February 10, 2007 4:19 PM

The one "disparaging" our troops is you!

I can't think of any worse way to show no respect for our troops than to defend an administration that lied to get them in Iraq in the first place. Sent them there on the cheap, "you fight a war with what you have".

Saddam had nothing to do with 911. Yet the same Fox News you defend went out of it's way to repeat the talking points day in and day out that linked Saddam with Bin Laden. The Cheney orchestrated lies about Saddam seeking parts to build a nuke, Fox News was there to spread this bullsh-t also.

Then came the mishandling of the war once we were there. The disbanding of the Iraqi army was done against the wishes of generals advising Rumsfeld. The use Abu Ghriav prison, the same prison Bush sighted in his bid for office as a shrine to human rights violations, was used for torture and humiliation and our troops were allowed to document it all with camcorders to send out to the world to see how ignorantly we treated men who were yet to stand trial for a crime. Great example of the ignorant arrogant mentality you defend and demonstrate daily with your pathetic petty trivial minutia that twist into tales for your fellow democracy ignorant cohorts to pretend has significance.

The invitation to attack our troops by the draft dodging president with his now famous "bring em on" comment. Any fool that defends this disparages our troops!

The list is long. $12 billion unaccounted for in expenditures yet services to vets were cut back during the war. You defend the president does this, you disparage our troops!

The despicable use of lies by Fox News is right in line with yours. You are coward that fakes like you have leg to stand on. Fox News is the cancer and you my friend are merely the puss that oozes from it.

You're an a--hole of the nth degree! Keith Olbermann is a true American hero admired by every American who thinks for himself and doesn't suffer from the same rectal cranial inversion you suffer from. You and this page are perfect forum for a--holes with no education to line to get one from people like me.

Bushkill Falls has lost it. The standard tactic used by Olbylovers is to change the subject away from Olbermann. Then they get offended and huffy when someone wants to discuss Olbermann, even though the name of the site is Olbermannwatch. And talk about putting the blame on someone--that's all they can do. To hear them tell it, Bush is responsible from everything from a baby's wet diaper to WWI and the rise of Hitler even though he wasn't even born yet.

So ow is it that KO, who never leaves his studio, is "brave", yet Anderson Cooper is not when he gows to the front lines"?

Also, I recall in 1999 (Kosovo) when some guy named Hockenberry, who was wheelchair bound, worked for MSNBC. He was over in Kosovo reporting FROM A FREAKING WHEELCHAIR!! Yet the "brave" Merlot Spiller is lauded because he hurls insults and slander from the safety of a studio in NJ. I don't get it.

CW, save your manifestos for your own web page. You bore the crap out of me when you blather on and on and on....

I meant "how is it.."

KO and his defenders here believe that this is "speaking truth to power" and "patriotic".

Agreed. CW makes a person want rip their eyeballs out of their head rather than read his lame sh-t.

CW, this is a board relevant to the O'Reilly / Allard discussion. Get with the program.

"Valid Criticism"? The man wrote that American Soldiers are "mercinaries", "lucky that they are not spit upon", and "receiving obscene ammenities in Iraq". "Valid Criticism"? Really Keith?

And one question for Olby (and, by extension, Arkin): Those Marines now being court-martialed at Camp Pendleton, based on *HEARSAY* "evidence" from *THE ENEMY*, and regurgitated by John Murtha-F***er and Time's Tim McGurk(sp?) - would the both of you (that is, KO and Arkin) have rather that each and every one of those Marines ended up in body bags, like their buddies whose murder at the hands of those you gushingly call "insurgents" supposedly led to what they're now being court-martialed for? Because the politically correct ROE (Rules Of Engagement) that our troops are forced to observe in Iraq, is yet another template for even more needless deaths of our soldiers . . . not to mention this kangaroo-court show-trial that's called a "court-martial" . . . if Bush & company really wanted true victory in Iraq (instead of what's going on now), they wouldn't've sent our boys in to fight with one or both hands tied behind their back, rather encouraged them to smash the Sunni triangle from whence the mayhem has been established to originate, by all means necessary . . .

WB,, Yep we should have slaughtered all the civilans, or even better yet dug up a old neutron bomb so we do not disturb the oil and the remaining nice buildings in a country far older than the US. Damn you rightwingers are simpletons.

W.B.,

So where do you stand on Bush's rationalization of the war, and that adhered to by many pro-war posters on this website: that we are in Iraq to liberate the populace and bring freedom?

"Ventriloquist" dummy Col Allard is smart enough to avoid being "dragged" on Countdown with "personal friend" Keith "forcing words" in his mouth.

Keith, you are truly despicable.

To hear them tell it, Bush is responsible from everything from a baby's wet diaper to WWI and the rise of Hitler even though he wasn't even born yet.

Posted by: Brandon at February 11, 2007 12:32 AM

Translation: My main man Bush is not responsible for anything, and I resent it when someone brings up any truth about him.

We hear you, Benson, LOUD AND CLEAR !

Benson is in the tiniest of tiny minorities who still don't see how Bush is the worst president in our lifetime.

THE REPUBLICANS ARE WASTING NO TIME .
ALL ABOARD !!! THE SWIFTBOAT CRUISE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN !

Yesterday, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) announced his candidacy for president in Springfield, IL, where Abraham Lincoln delivered his famous "House Divided" address. In his speech, Obama reiterated his call to redeploy U.S. forces out of Iraq by March 2008.

This morning on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol attacked Obama's Iraq policy, saying he wants to appease terrorists like pro-slavery politician Stephen Douglas tried to appease slave-owners. Kristol said, "Obama's speech is a 'can't we get along' speech , sort of the opposite of Lincoln. He would have been with Stephen Douglas in 1858."

Benson is a drowning rat that refuses to leave the sinking warship that has been attacking the soul of America.

All progressives who sado-masochistically read this site need to forget about these impotent morons and do everything within our power to prevent the foundering Bush administration from launching another unprovoked attack - this time against Iran. If we Americans allow yet another war of lies to happen we deserve the ruin and slavery that will certainly follow.

Write your senators, representatives, and newspaper editors - lets stop wasting our time on these dead-enders.

"who still don't see how Bush is the worst president in our lifetime"

...3%+ growth in GDP, 4.7% unemployment, growing stock market, North Korea to give up its nuclear program, Libya giving up its nuclear program, 60 million people freed from brutal dictatorships, millions of people in Africa helped from the terrible scourge of AIDS......et cetera et cetera

Of course, none of this conversation (if you will) has ANYTHING to do with the reportorial skills and professionalism of MSNBC news anchor Keith Olbermann.

THOSE LAZY-ASS REPUBLICANS ARE STRIKING BACK !

One of the lesser-known aspects of the "Air Pelosi" controversy is the degree to which the fuss is payback for the House speaker's decision to hold legislators to a five-day workweek instead of the three- or four-day schedule adopted by the Republicans in the past.

THE GOP DO NOTHING CONGRESS OF THE PAST 6 YEARS WAS HAPPY WITH THEIR DONOTHINGNESS.
NOW THEIR APPLECART HAS BEEN DISRUPTED.
LET'S ALL CRY CROCADILE TEARS THAT THE GOP HAS TO WORK A 5 DAY WORK WEEK !

THANK YOU NANCY !

Its a good thing that this sight is here cause it is telling us to remember something that were not remembering & that is that the US of America is full of traitors who say things that hurt the US of America & Pres Bush & the troops & that are making us loose the war & we need to remember that & not just remember but do something about it like making sure Pres Bush stays Pres until he wins this war for us & for freedom cause who else is gonna win it not the DemocRATS thats for sure & we also need to remember to bite back when people say whose Pres Bush to say we need to go to war cause he didnt serve in other wars he might have - too old now of course - but wouldnt it have been a bad thing for the enemies to have captured him since his father was gonna be Pres & was already powerful & could be black mailed if his son were captured much less tortured & yes Chaney too, sure hes got problems but he didnt dodge the draft to avoid being drafted he just needed to stay home cause his wife was with child & he needed to support them & be strong enough to keep his family from sliding down into the pit of debotchary, & it worked for 1 of his children so thats a good thing. I have a ? and that ? is why do people who dont like Pres Bush want the US of America to loose the war & I think it is cause they dont like the US of America as much as they dont like Pres Bush so yes its OK to say if you dont like Pres Bush you dont like the US of America & if you dont like the US of America you dont like Pres Bush --- sure its simple but that doesnt mean its wrong does it & if you dont like the US of America & you dont like Pres Bush then you stay here at your peral or you go move to Iraq or to Holland or some place like that & by were glad we didnt have to waist a rope on you you rotten traitor who helped the US of Americas enemies.

60 million people freed from brutal dictatorships, millions of people in Africa helped from the terrible scourge of AIDS......et cetera et cetera

Yesbut must be one of the Lollipop Kids for he must be living in the land of OZ.

"60 million people freed from brutal dictatorships,"
and replaced with a much WORSE situation that is spiraing out of control.

Yes, there is no more AIDS in Africa b/c of George Bush.

"We are the Lollipop kids, the Lollipop kids, the Lollipop Kids !"

And North Korea is giving up it's nuclear program?
I think Dorothy's house must have fallen on your head !

"Yes, there is no more AIDS in Africa b/c of George Bush."

And I claimed that where in my post?

I said that (in so many words) that the assistance we have given has reduced the spread of AIDS in Africa. Obviously, we can't totally eliminate that horrible affliction.

You think the people in Afghanistan were better off under the Taliban?

Really?

An agreement with North Korea to give up its nuclear program will be announced shortly.

As with Libya/Qaddaffi, Kim Jung-il finds out he's trapped.

Lets see Anderson Cooper, I think he did sign a new contract, probably makes out well. But Anderson Cooper is everywhere! Question his motives, but you can't question his work ethic.

Bill O'Reilly, no doubt makes a real good buck. High Ratings! No doubt gets paid real good. But, puts on a 60 minute show every week night.

Larry King, Let me re-write my thought. The man who Friday night, not only had a train wreck of a show. But a train wreck of a show with a few chemical cars jumping the tracks to add to the wreck. Larry King, Larry Flint. Is there a difference at this point? But, Larry delivers the tabloid crap like no one eles can. Makes a good buck, and has a lifetime contract.

Keith Olbermann, runs the same crap every night, can't get anybody on, can't get ratings, only has people who hang on a fringe area about 25 miles east of area 51 watching him. Has no contract, and is about to go out the door at N.B.C. because HE thinks HE's somebody.

So what if at this point the man is acting like a mental case? He keeps looking up and seeing that the roof is about to cave in!!!!!!!

What's that old saying? "If you lie down with dogs you get fleas." Start scratching Boy!!!!! And hurry up! Your so called friends that you lied down with? Are about to run you over with the bus!!!!

Our OCD pal Rudy and Yesbut have no explanation for Bush's 28% approval rating nor his repudiation in the fall elections.

Bush was ranked the "worst president ever" by over 150 Historians in 2004.
That was BEFORE the Katrina debacle and the worsening of the war in iraq too.

These two 's view of history makes me want to chip in and get them some glasses for their nearsightedness.

"These two 's view of history makes me want to chip in and get them some glasses for their nearsightedness"

Old Confucian saying:
"He who cannot answer other people's post changes the topic."

Okay, so I made it up.

Were he alive today, he would have said it.

You think the people in Afghanistan were better off under the Taliban?

Really?

Yesbut must be totally unaware that the Taliban has had a resurgence in Afghanistan due to Bush's preocupation in Iraq.
They now control the major roads in that country.
Bush's middle east policy has been a disaster.
Thus his approval ratings and fall elections.

Wake up and smell the coffee Yesbut, or do you neeed a HEAD BUTT to wake you up !

yes, yesbut needs a headbut.

The only one worried about Keith's contract is the idiot Puck.
Isn't he going to look foolish when Keith is still on the air 2 years from now.

Some of the media names have changed, but the underlying issue of media control has only become worse then it was seven years ago.

The so called "liberal media" is one of the biggest non-truths " put on the American people.

Here are a few TV Guide listings that you will never see:

Tonight at 7pm CBS will present a one hour Documentary "Why We Must Go To War With Iran."

Monday night on Fox presents a one hour Documentary "The Lead Up To the War In Iraq."

Wednesday night NBC will present a one our documentary " Where Has All Of Our Money Gone In Iraq."

Friday night ABC Will present a documentary chronicling "Military Mistakes Made In The Last Four Years and Who Made Them."

Why exactly will we never see these programs?

Ask The Walt Disney Company, General Electric, CBS/Viacom, and News Corp. It would be interesting to hear the heads of these companies, under oath, responding to questions before a tough congressional committee concerning their lack of public service.

Has anyone figured out the meaning of broadcasters serving in the public interest, convenience and necessity?

Certainly not the broadcasters!

"Yesbut must be totally unaware that the Taliban has had a resurgence in Afghanistan due to Bush's preocupation in Iraq."

Aha, that's not what you said.

You said they were: "Replaced with a much WORSE situation that is spiraing out of control."

Again, I ask you: The people in Afghanistan were better off under the Taliban?

Second, who is CAUSING the terrible situation in Iraq?

It's al-Qaeda, the former Baathist thugs who ran the country and elements of the various sects fighting one another. These sects, of course, fought one another BEFORE we overthrew Saddam; only we didn't hear about it because the Sunnis were slaughtering the Shi'a behind the world's attention.

Easier to blame Bush, I know. Or the neocons. Or anyone OTHER than the actual people doing the destruction.

Because if you blamed the actual people, you'd have to come up with a solution other than simply blaming the neocons or Bushco or someone else.

And that, my friend, you cannot intellectually do. You've got too much invested in Bush hatred to be able to come up with real answers.

The White
House's attempt to build a case for an Iran War, as "deja vu all over
again" is a policy which the Hall of Fame catcher, Yogi Berra, was first to elaborate.
Showing their great disdain for the American Public, Bush et al, figure that
since a few aluminum tubes, a couple of mobile trailers; etc, where good
enough to get us into the endless Iraq quagmire, why not try it again by
arresting five Iranians who Bush and Co. called trouble-makers but the Iraq
gov't called diplomats, produce the serial numbers, real or imagined from a
few bombs, and a 200 page dossier of phantom origin on the subject. It's
possible that these fantasists believe that the Iranians will welcome our
soldiers with open arms like the Iraqis did (NOT!), and that The Civil War
between Shiites and Shias, will lose its steam when Shiite Iran is attacked.
All it will take is for Dick Cheney to click his ruby-red slippers and we'll
walk the Yellow-Cake road into Tehran while the followers of an angry
Ayatollah shower us with flower petals. What we really need is Yogi in the
White House not a bunch of political foul-balls.

Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before Bush invaded it, you fool !
Yesbut has self induced amnesia.

"Second, who is CAUSING the terrible situation in Iraq?"

The Iraq War has blown open a hornet's nest in Iraq that wasn't there before Bush invaded Iraq.
The fact that Yesbut is still pontificating and making excuses for Bush and Iraq shows he belongs in the disgraced 28% of the American people.
That's where he is with his ridiculous points, and that's where he belongs.

Iraq needed a dictator to hold the country's regional differences together.
Now we have chaos.

And Yesbut doesn't think it's George Bush's fault.

"Simpleton" is the word that first comes to mind when I read Yesbut's posts.

Aha, that's not what you said.

You said they were: "Replaced with a much WORSE situation that is spiraing out of control."

Exactly, headbut !

The people of Iraq can't even walk the streets in the major cities,can't even attend religious services, but before we invaded Iraq, they could.
Also...
Why hasn't the only government run news agency been in Iraq in over 8 months?

Since I'm sure you don't know the answer to that, I'll tell you.
BECAUSE IT'S TOO UNSAFE FOR THEM TO BE THERE.

yes, spiraling out of control.
And your bullsh-t and views and people like you is the reason we got into this disaster in the first place.

Thank God the American people have woken up.
Yesbut still remains in slumber in la la land.

Keith Olbermann is one of the few newscasters that tells the truth about this administration.
Thus, why this site exists.

The Bushlovers can't really come out and support what Bush is doing, so it's so much easier to attack the messenger.

Keep up the good work Keith.

And when you read the posts of the Bush apologists ( the Keith attackers) and their opponents, the latter's points have more truth and reason than the former's.

"Replaced with a much WORSE situation that is spiraing out of control."

Excuse me, the topic was Afghanistan.

You said that the people's freed were better off under the previous regime.

Were the people better off when Saddam was slaughtering them with NO chance of living under self-government and with no chance or hope of improving their lives?

Were the people bette off when the Taliban was oppressing them with NO change of living under self-governemnt and with no chance or hope of improving their lives?

The people causing the destruction in Afghanistan and Iraq were causing the destruction when they were running those countries.

Get with it, my friend. The enemies of democracy and freedom and self-government are trying to install dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan again.

"It's al-Qaeda, the former Baathist thugs who ran the country and elements of the various sects fighting one another. These sects, of course, fought one another BEFORE we overthrew Saddam; only we didn't hear about it because the Sunnis were slaughtering the Shi'a behind the world's attention."

Nice job of pulling absolute fiction out of your ass, YesBut.

Saddam had an absolute monopoly on violence in Iraq prior to our invasion. Sunni, Shia, Kurd, and Turkoman all had reason to fear him; and these factions were cowed by the authority and brutality of his Baathist (largely Sunni) party. Nobody was "fighting one another"; Saddam was brutally oppressing everyone, and everyone laid low - just like in the Balkans behind the Iron Curtain.

And don't forget that Saddam owed his powerful position to the patronage of the United States, who built up his military and intellegence capabilities in order to utilize him as a proxy aggressor against Iran.

And as for the active brutality of Saddam's rule at the time of our invasion; look at the dates for his reported crimes. The gassing of the Kurds at Halabja happened in 1986 - two months before special envoy DOnald Rumsfeld shook the dictator's hand and reaffirmed American support for his regime. When did the crimes for which Saddam was tried and executed occur? 1977, I believe. Hundreds of thousands of Shia and Kurds were apparently killed by Saddam during the popular uprisings following the 1st Gulf war in 1991 - uprisings fomented in part by George H.W. Bush, and then subsequently abandoned due to that president's aversion to the idea of toppling Saddam utterly and leaving a power-vacuum in Iraq.

How many crimes approaching this magnitude have been documented since then? I've heard of none. Certainly individuals were imprisoned, brutalized, tortured, and murdered by the Hussein regime right up to our invasion, but I've heard no report of mass-killings post-dating 1991. The situation was miserable, but could have been ameliorated through patronage of grass-roots social groups, as opposed to bombing them and destroying their civic and economic infrastructure.

In short, it is preposerous to assert that our invasion has improved the lot of Iraqis. Since the first month of our invasion the death rates in that county have exceded by steadilly increasing orders of magnitude those under Saddam in the previous decade. Millions of Iraqis are currently living as uprooted refugees, in a country of only 25 million. British SAS agents have been caught red-handed planting car-bombs - presumably in the effort to instigate chaos ala their documented modus opperandii in Norther Ireland.

While I have repudiated from the start the idea of unsubstantiated "preventative" invasion, I do believe that stability could have been achieved by the end of 2001 had Jay Garner been allowed to proceed with his fast-track plans to hold elections in June of 2001 and to issue the preponderance of reconstruction contracts to Iraqi firms. But he was rapidly sh-t-canned when the administration percieved his earnest intentions, and replaced with veteran civic sabatuer Paul Bremmer, who immediately proceded to destroy any vestige of order or economic hope for the Iraqis. No Iraqi firms were issued contracts; military bases and a giant US embassy were given precedence over schools and hospitals; elections were delayed and delayed. Corporate profits have been the only subsequent success.

" Nobody was "fighting one another"; Saddam was brutally oppressing everyone, and everyone laid low - just like in the Balkans behind the Iron Curtain. "

Unbelievable!

Nobody was fighting Saddam?

Tell that to the Kurds. Tell that to the Shi'a who tried to rise up after the Gulf War.

If "nobody" was opposing him, why did he have to slaughter hundreds of thousands of them?

Why did he gas the Kurds?

Why did he try to wipe out the Marsh Arabs?

It is 100% wrong for anyone to say that no one in Iraq tried to oppose Saddam's regime.

There's bodies buried all over Iraq of people who tried to oppose him.

Geez, have you been sleepwalking through the past two decades?

...there had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq prior to March of 2001

Beef Turd,

You've got your years mixed up. You meant 2003, not 2001. Jay Garner was not in Iraq in 2001.

"there had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq prior to March of 2001"

Saddam used gas. And bullets. And tanks.

Much "easier" and he could kill more people faster.

Like the Kurds. Like the Shi'a. Like the Marsh Arabs. Like the Kuwaitis.

By the hundreds of thousands.

Not to mention those killed in the wars he started.

Read my post, YesButt.

I mention the crimes you cite; but the diference is that I provide dates. There was no extant program of genocide in Iraq at the time of our invasion, or for the preceding decade. Our invasion directly killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and initiated a chaos in which hundreds of thousands more have died and continue to die.

Why did the US government continue to support Saddam aftyer his gassing of the Kurds?

Correction noted Recto, I meant 2003.

Beef Turd,

You are a liar. There are not "hundreds of thousands" who have died in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

So, Rico says I'm a liar because I ve credence to a sound methodological study executed by the world's leading epidemiological scientists; as opposed to believing the unchanging death-tally of "30 to 50,000" repeated for years by an admnistration that explicitly states that it does not collect data relevant to civilian death rates in Iraq. Open your f---ing eyes.

"There was no extant program of genocide in Iraq at the time of our invasion,"

That's because we had to stay there with continued and risky air flights in the no fly zones and with troops stationed in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to prevent him from re-starting his killing machine.

Were we going to be there forever?

Anway, that's no what you said.

Again you said: "Nobody was "fighting one another"; Saddam was brutally oppressing everyone, and everyone laid low"

First all, the Sunni minority which ran the country were "fighting" the Shi'a majority. The only way they could run Iraq was by violence and force.

The Shi'a that tried to oppose Saddam were picked up by the secret police and either tortured or killed.

He did this for decades.

Same thing with the Kurds. It was only our air proection that prevented Saddam from killing them completely.

The only chance that the Iraqi people had of escaping death and murder by their rulers was by over overthrow of that dictatorship.

Unfortunately, there are elements in Iraq and outside of Iraq who don't want to see that country emerge into a democracy.

We're trying to stop them.

George Bush is not causing the violence. Enemies of democracy and self-government and of the real Iraqi people are causing the violence.

"Not even the weasel-word "controversial"."

Haha. Did anyone else notice that just a couple paragraphs up in that same post Johnny referred to Arkins comments as "highly controversial"? Just thought I'd point that out...

Beef Turd,

I do not believe those figures. The population of Iraq is supposedly around 27 million people. 650,000 is a huge percentage of the total population.

In World War II Germany lost only 10% of its population in six years of total war. This includes the massive battles on the Eastern front, Western front, and the three years of bombs falling from US, British, and Soviet planes, decimating all of the great cities of Germany. But after all of that, only 10% of the population, including civilian and military, was lost. To believe that Iraq has lost 2.5% of its population, most from violence, since 2003 is preposterous.

YesButt,

So the Sunni minortiy was not oppressed as well? I think that this would be news to most Sunnis in Iraq. So there were no Shia in the military of government police agencies? Hah!

Political oppression by a strong centralized regime is not the same as the wide-open internecine/ethnic fueding we see today. Why, if the levels and nature of violence you assert were active in Iraq prior to our invasion, is ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from Shi'ite neighborhods and vice versa (and now as of this week of Sunni, Shia, and Turkoman from Kurdish territories) only now underway? Why did such extensive ethnic cohabitation of cities and villages persist under Saddam's regime?

Why don't you answer my questions regarding the extensive overlap of US patronage of Saddam and most of his worst crimes? Why was gassing the Kurds OK with Reagan/Bush in 1986 and 1987, but its a rationale for aggressive war today?

> in that same post Johnny referred to Arkins comments as "highly controversial"?

I sure did. "controversial" is a weasel-word. "Highly controversial", well, that makes all the difference in the world!

"To believe that Iraq has lost 2.5% of its population, most from violence, since 2003 is preposterous."

Here is the nexus of the left/right oppositon today: empirical observation and sound methodological inquiry vs haphazard anecdotalism and wishful thinking.

Well, no it doesn't at all actually but thanks for the explanation!

Keith Olbermann is quite disdainful
His comments on Allard were painful
A ventriloquist joke?
Keith, the man had a stroke!
Olby thinks his insights are gainful

The value of Keith Olbermann is that he is one of the first and, until recently, one of the few "media personalities" willing to expose Shrub as a liar and Shrub's Administration as a House of Cards. I use "media personalities" to avoid the tiresome and pointless discussion of whether Olbermann or others are a journalists.

Some of Olbermann's predecessors thought the first exposed lie would result in Shrub drying up and blowing away like a tumbleweed. In Texas, Molly Ivins was one of the journalists who underestimated Shrub and over-estimated the American people. This is probably because no one fully appreciated the ability of the American people to be subjected to fear by a President willing to exploit it.

Secondly, no one fully understood the ability of a few peripheral personalities, like Limbaugh, working contemporaneously with a vast and evil media empire like Murdoch/FNC to not only support a loathsome President, but also to lie for him. We all delude ourselves if we believe Limbaugh and FNC did this for the sake of conservatism. Indeed, their only objectives have been to shake down a none-too-bright collection of power hungry groupies. To be sure, there are true conservatives, but no true conservative I know is so stupid as to get "news" from Limbaugh and FNC.

With reference to this unholy media personality alliance, no one fully expected that any significant number of Americans would give the slightest credence to mean-spirited hooligans who believe a debate victory is found in shouting down the people with whom you are arguing.

So, why is Shrub at 28%? The lies became undeniable. Finally, a large number of Americans had all the lies they could take.

Why is Mr. Olbermann one of the heroes in the battle against faux conservative hooliganism? It is not because of his credentials, but because of his courage. He took on Shrub and the Administration when the Blitzers, Matthews and Russerts of our nation were too subservient to do so. To the extent Russert is finally upright, we can thank Mr. Olbermann and others like him.

It is really very simple.

Apparently you've never gotten the memo that journalists are taught in J-school to be as unbiased as they possibly can. Olbermann is simply unable to hide his biases and didn't start airing them in public until he thought it could earn him a few extra ratings points. I believe he believes what he's saying as much as I believe that Olbermann will win this year's Kentucky Derby--oh, that's right, the former sports guy, keith Olbermann, thinks that Arabians race in the Kentucky Derby. Something else that Olbermann was painfully wrong about. Olbermann can't even get the basic facts correct. Then he goes around and attacks better journalists (Anderson Cooper) who do have a record of being unbiased. And he's "it" to you because he Bush-bashes? You have no idea what real journalists are supposed to do and neither does Olbermann. You richly deserve one another.

I suppose you are correct, Brandon, if you believe telling the truth about Shrub is bashing him. Certainly, Shrub believes that. The truth scares him, and apparently, you, to no end. I, by contrast, walked past a building with the Bibical verse, "Ye Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Make You Free," each day I was in college and graduate school. I believe that. We still have to deal with Shrub, but the truth has made him irrelevant and us free of him.

Anderson Cooper is a Journalist? Nobody on CNN is a journalist. Maybe Keith Olbermann isn't one either, but he provides commentary that is consistant with available facts.

People who do not engage in harsh criticism of this administration are either morons, cowards, or overt enemies of our nation and constitution.

It's not their job to provide commentary unless they are commentators. Olbermann is billed as the ANCHOR of a NEWS SHOW. So is Cooper. Cooper did in fact provide commentary, as did Shep Smith, during Hurricane Katrina. both were outraged. Both were also on-scene to witness it first hand. Your problem is that you want every single news anchor in this country to become a commentator and join you in Bush-bashing. You don't understand that's not waht journalists are supposed to do, they are supposed to report the FACTS, without bias and opinion, from BOTH sides. Your precious Olbermann is incapable of doing that because he's not a journalist, just a joke.

Lordy but you 'progressives' (read: 'Marxists') are pathetic. I don't know anyone who thinks GW Bush is even close to perfect-I sure as hell don't-but the fact that you'd quote that not-so-esteemed Texas pinki Molly Ivins says a lot, not to mention your love of Quiche Overbite. I wouldn't watch that nutjob at gunpoint myself, but if he could figure out a way to make his case without resorting to personal attacks, he might actually have some credibility. But no...it's a page right out of Stalin's book-misinformation, disinformation, accuse the opposition of the very thing you're guilty of. Eat quiche and die, pinkos.

Brandon,

Just to let me get a handle on your position, could you tell me which of the following statements you would categorize as "Bush Bashing"?

"There is no evidence that George W. Bush fulfilled his obligaton of enlistment in the Texas Air National Guard."

"No eyewitnesses have been identified - despite the public announcement of a $10,000 reward - that can place George W. Bush at his post in Alabama during his period of enlistment."

"George W. Bush is a recovering alcoholic"

"In regard to his Vietnam-era service, George W. Bush once told a Texas reporter: 'I didn't want to run away to Canada, or shoot out my ear with a shotgun, so I decidd to improve myself by learning to fly airplanes.'"

"In press-conferrences early in the war, George W. Bush called with disproportionate frequency on a practitioner of gay internet prostitution and sex procurement who had recently assumed a job as an internet journalist. This person - operating under an assumed name - attended over a hundred press conferrences over a period of two years - all enabled through the unprecedentedly generous use exclusively of special daily press-passes issued by the White House; Jeff Gannon/James Guckert was ineligible for and unable to obtain the standard congressional pass used by essentially every other journalist in these situations."

'"Saddam would not let the inspectors in." Bush has now made this claim twice. It came as quite a surprise to the hundreds of U.N. inspectors that were in Iraq in 2003 and were told by the U.S. to get out or get bombed.'

'"We have found WMDs in Iraq." Bush and others have made this claim regarding an ever so dangerous weather tracking truck.'

'Bush said of Iraqi WMD's: "They could have been destroyed by Saddam. Or moved out of the country." He said this after David Kay, his hand-picked weapons inspector, calims to have told him directly that there were clearly no relevant weapons in the first place.

Nice dhimmi talking points-wherever did you copy them? No citations? Hussein (yeah, I refer to your good buddy by his LAST name) was obstructing full access by the inspectors in violation of the agreement-his palaces were NOT off limits under that agreement. Maybe (MAYBE) the WMD claims were overblown (some HAVE been found, in case you've forgotten), but that does not constitute a lie. And God knows that nutcase Hussein wanted ABC weapons. You Marxists play the children's game well, I admit-repeat something enough times and people will begin to believe it. I'm sure glad I can start my day without consulting the daily chaos for talking points. I'm sure glad I'm not YOU.

So, GWV, I an assume that you think those statements are Bush-bashing?

Barak Obama is articulate.

"We have found WMDs in Iraq." Bush and others have made this claim regarding an ever so dangerous weather tracking truck.'

'Bush said of Iraqi WMD's: "They could have been destroyed by Saddam. Or moved out of the country." He said this after David Kay, his hand-picked weapons inspector, calims to have told him directly that there were clearly no relevant weapons in the first place.

To deny that Saddam's former head of the Iraqi air force claims to have actually flown the wmd's to Syria is bashing. Only reporting things that support your position is dishonest and well, your "calling card", sir piece of sh-t.

Dick Morris says the Clinton's are pieces of crap, and because he used to work for them, it must be true.

Not in and of themselves, no, but they're nothing more than innuendo-you're presenting them as settled fact. The Mary Mapes line: Nobody can prove it's NOT true, so it must be. Please...

Not in and of themselves, no, but they're nothing more than innuendo-you're presenting them as settled fact. The Mary Mapes line: Nobody can prove it's NOT true, so it must be. Please...

Saddam Hussein's regime offered a $2 million (£1.4 million) bribe to the United Nations' chief weapons inspector to doctor his reports on the search for weapons of mass destruction.

Rolf Ekeus, the Swede who led the UN's efforts to track down the weapons from 1991 to 1997, said that the offer came from Tariq Aziz, Saddam's foreign minister and deputy.

Anon: The Clintons ARE walking piles of excrement, but I would hope for a more credible 'inside' source than Morris.

"Essentially, everyone who runs an active intelligence service knows this regime has been seeking weapons of mass destruction," Kay said at the time.

What a difference a year makes.

After spending seven months scouring Iraq for some trace of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons, Kay -- who now leads the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) searching for Saddam's weapons -- has yet to find the critical evidence to back up his earlier conviction.

"We have found no actual weapons of mass destruction that exist at this point," he concedes. "But having said that ... you know how large this country is."

Sorry, GWV - they are facts. How do they represent "innuendo", as you assert?

You could possibly make a case that one or all of them are irrelevant to Bush's character/performance, but you don't seem to want to go that route.

No, they are empirical facts that your side doesn't want to hear and simply can't deal with. They are typically labled by your side as "Bush Bashing"; although I was wondering how such determinationations (i.e one fact being OK and another being abusive) are made. I was looking for clarification from Brandon to this his views in this regard.

Olbermann deliberately goes over the top to reach the lefty moonbats that lap it up like rich cream and give him rating points he couldn't get doing the news straight. Bushhitler hatred is what gets them up in the morning so they can watch their Olbyleader and then rush to their keyboards and re-debate the war and all else Bush ad nauseum extremis. One wonders what will happen to all of them when Bush is no longer president?

Arkin was way out of line, he was called on it and made to backtrack as far as his insufferable arrogance would let him. Of course, Olby rises to his defense - they are peas in a pod philosophically. To them, "speaking truth to power" is all about criticizing the troops from a nice warm office and not about actually interacting with anyone military or stepping foot in Iraq.

"Dick Morris says the Clinton's are pieces of crap, and because he used to work for the, it must be true"

NOW DICK MORRIS IS AN OUTSTANDING JUGE OF CHARACTER. HE DRESSED IN A DRESS AND SHACKED UP WITH HOOKERS.

Anon: The Clintons ARE walking piles of excrement, but I would hope for a more credible 'inside' source than Morris.

Posted by: at February 11, 2007 5:23 PM

Bill Clinton is probably THE most popular male in the world today...and if could run for president, he'd win in a landslide.
Hillary Clinton is far ahead of any democratic candidate at this point.

Your hate for the Clinton's say more about you than your knowledge of them.

Why is Mr. Olbermann one of the heroes in the battle against faux conservative hooliganism? It is not because of his credentials, but because of his courage. He took on Shrub and the Administration when the Blitzers, Matthews and Russerts of our nation were too subservient to do so. To the extent Russert is finally upright, we can thank Mr. Olbermann and others like him.

It is really very simple.

Posted by: M Schultz at February 11, 2007 3:25 PM

VERY WELL SAID, AND VERY ACCURATE, MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF THE SHEEP AT THIS SITE.

First off, to repeat: Being wrong (or not completely accurate) doesn't constitute a lie unless it's willful.
Second (AGAIN): GW Bush is far from perfect, but it undercuts your message to attack his character (yes-the implications contained in your STILL UNATTRIBUTED quotes do seem to be attacks, ie LIAR, DRUNKARD, DESERTER, CLOSETED HOMOSEXUAL).
Third: Directly quoting the man is one thing, but for you to assert that some UNATTRIBUTED quotes (ie George W. Bush is a recovering alcoholic) are empirical facts is ridiculous. Any self-appointed analyst can say anything he likes based on whatever observations he's made (and what he believes or wants to be true), but that does not constitute FACT.
If you could stick to the issue and avoid wholly irrelevant tangents, that would be a breath of fresh air. I doubt you can do that, but maybe you'd like to give it a shot. The issue is essentially this: However we got here, this is where we are; we can't do it over. NOW WHAT DO WE DO? Can you answer that without obsessing about how we got here and/or demonizing anyone? I doubt it, and evidently Overbite can't either. Oh, yeah-HE was the topic originally, wasn't he?

It's really funny the hate the right has for the Clintons.
Our articulate and charasmatic former president is greeted like a rock star everywhere he goes in the world,including the USA.

It must really gall you that YOUR president is basically treated like a leper these days.
AND RIGHTFULLY SO !

NOW WHAT DO WE DO? Can you answer that without obsessing about how we got here and/or demonizing anyone? I doubt it, and evidently Overbite can't either. Oh, yeah-HE was the topic originally, wasn't he?

Posted by: Gulf War Vet at February 11, 2007 5:55 PM

Even that far left liberal Ollie North has said putting more troops in Iraq just make them sitting ducks.
What do we do now?
The only sensible thing to do is to bring our troops home before one more single soldier is killed for no sensible reason.
Bush totally f---ed up this situation and we CANNOT stop nor should we interfere in the civil war in iraq.
There are no good solutions, leaving is the only option, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE IRAQIS WANT US THE HELL OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY.

"If you could stick to the issue and avoid wholly irrelevant tangents, that would be a breath of fresh air. I doubt you can do that, but maybe you'd like to give it a shot. The issue is essentially this: However we got here, this is where we are; we can't do it over. NOW WHAT DO WE DO? Can you answer that without obsessing about how we got here and/or demonizing anyone?"

Well, according to our constitution one of the first things we need to do - and something should have been done for the past six years - is to exercise legislative oversight in regard to our executive branch. You are correct that we desparately need to change our policy regading Iraq, but without analysis of "how we got here", the situation cannot be accurately understood.

Unfortunately, the explicit indictments and facile convictions resulting from such responsible oversight will be labeled by the right-wing as "demonization".

Get ready, though; its coming.

"There are no good solutions, leaving is the only option,"...followed closely by the nationaly cathatic and constitutionally demanded holding-to-account of the criminals would led us into this self-destructive quagmire.

There are Democrats as well as Republicans on this list, by the way.

oops; should have wriiten:

"There are no good solutions, leaving is the only option,"...followed closely by the nationaly cathartic and constitutionally demanded holding-to-account of the criminals who led us into this self-destructive quagmire.

There are Democrats as well as Republicans on this list, by the way.

Unfortunately, the explicit indictments and facile convictions resulting from such responsible oversight will be labeled by the right-wing as "demonization".

Get ready, though; its coming.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 11, 2007 6:05 PM

it's already here.
The committees looking into the corruption and handling of the war are already getting blasted by the right.
The GOP Congress didn't do their job, and the right now doesn't want the Democratic Congress to do their jobs.
The right are pathetic traitors to this country.
They put party over country.

I get it, yeah. Surrender, let the terrorists have Iraq, live to die another day-until the suicide bombers come HERE and visit our malls and movie theaters. Typical gutlessness from the left-are you French?
Yeah he f---ed it up, but he had plenty of help. I wish we'd never gone in (in hindsight)...imagine all those innocent Iraqis Hussein could've tortured and killed in these past four years. A lot more than have been killed as a result of our actions-and none of which were deliberate.

"I wish we'd never gone in (in hindsight)..."

Why? What has altered your thinking on the war?

Gulf war vet( if you are one) is an idiot.
Iraq is in much worse shape now than before Saddam.
Before the invasion, Iraqis could walk the streets of their major cities with relative safety.
Now the country is in total chaos.

That's the truth no matter how little you know about it, or how much spin you put into it.

Man-made climate change may be happening at a far slower rate than has been claimed, according to controversial new research.
Scientists say that cosmic rays from outer space play a far greater role in changing the Earth's climate than global warming experts previously thought.
In a book, to be published this week, they claim that fluctuations in the number of cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere directly alter the amount of cloud covering the planet.

High levels of cloud cover blankets the Earth and reflects radiated heat from the Sun back out into space, causing the planet to cool.
Henrik Svensmark, a weather scientist at the Danish National Space Centre who led the team behind the research, believes that the planet is experiencing a natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere.
This, he says, is responsible for much of the global warming we are experiencing.
He claims carbon dioxide emissions due to human activity are having a smaller impact on climate change than scientists think. If he is correct, it could mean that mankind has more time to reduce our effect on the climate.
The controversial theory comes one week after 2,500 scientists who make up the United Nations International Panel on Climate Change published their fourth report stating that human carbon dioxide emissions would cause temperature rises of up to 4.5 C by the end of the century.
Mr Svensmark claims that the calculations used to make this prediction largely overlooked the effect of cosmic rays on cloud cover and the temperature rise due to human activity may be much smaller.
He said: "It was long thought that clouds were caused by climate change, but now we see that climate change is driven by clouds.
"This has not been taken into account in the models used to work out the effect carbon dioxide has had.
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"We may see CO2 is responsible for much less warming than we thought and if this is the case the predictions of warming due to human activity will need to be adjusted."
Mr Svensmark last week published the first experimental evidence from five years' research on the influence that cosmic rays have on cloud production in the Proceedings of the Royal Society Journal A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences. This week he will also publish a fuller account of his work in a book entitled The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change.
A team of more than 60 scientists from around the world are preparing to conduct a large-scale experiment using a particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland, to replicate the effect of cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere.
They hope this will prove whether this deep space radiation is responsible for changing cloud cover. If so, it could force climate scientists to re-evaluate their ideas about how global warming occurs.
Mr Svensmark's results show that the rays produce electrically charged particles when they hit the atmosphere. He said: "These particles attract water molecules from the air and cause them to clump together until they condense into clouds."
Mr Svensmark claims that the number of cosmic rays hitting the Earth changes with the magnetic activity around the Sun. During high periods of activity, fewer cosmic rays hit the Earth and so there are less clouds formed, resulting in warming.
Low activity causes more clouds and cools the Earth.
He said: "Evidence from ice cores show this happening long into the past. We have the highest solar activity we have had in at least 1,000 years.
"Humans are having an effect on climate change, but by not including the cosmic ray effect in models it means the results are inaccurate.The size of man's impact may be much smaller and so the man-made change is happening slower than predicted."
Some climate change experts have dismissed the claims as "tenuous".
Giles Harrison, a cloud specialist at Reading University said that he had carried out research on cosmic rays and their effect on clouds, but believed the impact on climate is much smaller than Mr Svensmark claims.
Mr Harrison said: "I have been looking at cloud data going back 50 years over the UK and found there was a small relationship with cosmic rays. It looks like it creates some additional variability in a natural climate system but this is small."
But there is a growing number of scientists who believe that the effect may be genuine.
Among them is Prof Bob Bingham, a clouds expert from the Central Laboratory of the Research Councils in Rutherford.
He said: "It is a relatively new idea, but there is some evidence there for this effect on clouds."

The Global warming myth being debunked yet again.

Gulf war vet is another one who doesn't care about what the people of Iraq want...Only the imperialistic ventures of the right wing.
Who are WE to stay if the Iraqis want us to leave?

How is enabling the Iraqi Army going to help their country?

"I get it, yeah. Surrender, let the terrorists have Iraq, live to die another day-until the suicide bombers come HERE and visit our malls and movie theaters. "

OK, who's coming over here to bomb our movie theaters etc? The Sunnis? The Shia? Both? Why didn't they come over here before we invaded their country?

Or was the purpose of the war merely to lure foreign Al Qeada fighter to Iraq so they wouldn't come here? What could have been the projected exit strategy in such a case? We would have to stay there forever, if we are to live in such exlicit fear of attacks on our soil.

Give it up...the Factor.
Your nonsense is falling on deaf ears.
No legitimate scientists are debating whether man is causing climate change.
The only debate now is what changes we need to offset the damage man has done.
The world( except the USA) is moving ahead and trying to make changes to help our planet.
You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. So since You are part of the problem, shut the f--- up and crawl back into your hole and watch FOX news.

Our next president, no matter DEM or REP will start to catch up with the rest of the world in installing "green" policies.
Bush is setting us back almost a decade.
He is truly the worst president ever.

Criminals? Prove it.
Legislative oversight? Congress has the so-called power of the purse as its check/balance on the executive; the Constitution does not confer upon Congress the power to tell the executive what it can/cannot/WILL do.
Y'all throw around these characterizations as if they're facts, and everyone should simply accept them as such. Your believing them doesn't make them facts-sorry. Pres. Bush has made a mess of things mostly because he made the mistake of trying to get along with backstabbers, such as (insert Senate democrat's name here).

Hey, Factor,

I never did get to hear the other day your defense of your hero O'Reilly when he was dumped by the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. You had just claimed that he never said all of those callous and sociopathic things about that young kidnapping/sodomy victim, but I guess the Naples Chapter of the CMEC didn't read your post.

The CEO's of Exxon (paying off scientists to muddy the waters on global warming) played THE FACTOR like a Stratavarius.

He bought it. Hook line and sinker !
The Factor isn't very bright...but he is gullible.

Pres. Bush has made a mess of things mostly because he made the mistake of trying to get along with backstabbers, such as (insert Senate democrat's name here).

Posted by: Gulf War Vet at February 11, 2007 6:23 PM

Yes..that's why he made a mess of things.
Hey...if you believe that, I have some great swamp land in New Orleans to sell you .
Call today at 856-555-3856

"Pres. Bush has made a mess of things mostly because he made the mistake of trying to get along with backstabbers, such as (insert Senate democrat's name here)."

You have piqued my curiosity. What powerless minority Democrats are in fact responsible for the hopeless quagmire in Iraq? ...and which concilliatory acts on Bush's part gave them the leverage to do all this damage?

Pres. Bush has made a mess of things mostly because he made the mistake of trying to get along with backstabbers, such as (insert Senate democrat's name here).

Posted by: Gulf War Vet at February 11, 2007 6:23 PM

Bush's invading a country that didn;t attack us, his no post war planning and most of all him being hoodwinked by the Wolfowitz/Cheney cabal who had planned to invade Iraq back in the early 90's has ...nothing to do with it, right ?

Sir Loin:
"regarding the extensive overlap of US patronage of Saddam and most of his worst crimes"

Because there was no overlap.

The US gave support to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. This consisted mostly of satellite information and grain credits. This was because we feared that if Iran defeated Iraq, the entire region would be inflamed.

The great majority of Iraq's conventional weapons were supplied by the Soviet Union and its allies, China, France, and Egypt, all of whom helped arm the Ba'athist government throughout the 1980s.

This is interesting: you appear to want to blame the US for Saddam's crimes and then when I point out Saddam's crimes you appear to dismiss them.

Which is it?

We were wrong to support him and we were wrong to overhthrow him?

Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Why does "The Nation" magazine advertise during Olbermann's show?

The great majority of Iraq's conventional weapons were supplied by the Soviet Union and its allies, China, France, and Egypt, all of whom helped arm the Ba'athist government throughout the 1980s.

Where do you think Saddam's weapons came from when he gassed the Kurds?
The good ole USA.
Catch a clue Headbut !

Why does "The Nation" magazine advertise during Olbermann's show?

Because it's one of Countdown's sponsors.
You see a company pays a TV station money to advertise on the show.

BTW, the Nation is a great magazine !

Kudos to MSNBC for advertizing it.

"What powerless minority Democrats are in fact responsible for the hopeless quagmire in Iraq?"

The Senate vote on authorizing the us of force to remove Saddam's brutal regime included a majority of democrats.

The problems in Iraq, again, are caused by elements of al-Qaeda along with remnants of the former Baathist fascist dictatorship that slaughtered the Iraqi people for more than a quarter of a decade.

The enemies of the Iraqi people, the enemies of democracy, the enemies of self-government, the enemies of the rule of law, the enemies of freedom, the enemies of everything that liberals say they believe in are causing the problems in Iraq.

Not George Bush. Not the neocons. Not Halliburtion.

I know that's hard to accept. It's a complicating explanation for those who wish to ascribe all of the problems of the world to one person.

But it's the reality,

yesbut needs that serious headbutt NOW.

Your revision of history is really pathetic and not worth my time any longer.

You have been told teh truth, rebutted and put in your place.
Obviously your head as hard as Dick Cheney's heart.
End of coversation with me.

Krazy Keith and Arkin agree
They think troops are mercenary
The troops who protect
They will disrespect
They're an obscene amenity

The Nation advertises during countdown for the same reason "Depends" advertised during "Murder She wrote". The Nation's readers are Loons so they try to reach other loons.

But Olby is completely neutral.

Yesbut is another one who has bought all of the Administrations faity tales hook line and sinker.

Most everybody knows NOW that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before 9/11.
But not Yesbut.

He needs a history refresher course.

"Where do you think Saddam's weapons came from when he gassed the Kurds?"

Baloney!!! Unmitigated, 100% baloney.

There is no evidence that the US supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons he used against the Kurds.

Baloney on top of balone on top of baloney.

Why do you sympathize with Islam, but at the same time have such hatred for others who you use their religion as a basis for their actions?

"Most everybody knows NOW that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before 9/11."

If you can point to any post by me where I claimed that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before 9/11, I will print the post and eat it.

They're there now. Killing US soldiers and Iraqis.

So now Keith's Krazies are celebrating KO's "victory" over Bill O'Reilly and in getting him dumped from that dinner for the Nat'l center for Missing & Exploited Children. So tell me, will Keith go down there and speak instead? Will he write a check to cover the cost of the lost revenue the banquet will no doubt suffer becaus Bill-O will no longer appear?

no...just having OReilly dumped as a speaker is victory enough.
Common sense prevailed.

"The US gave support to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. This consisted mostly of satellite information and grain credits."

Oh, you mean the satellite information that was used by Saddam to target Iranian forces with his chemical weapons? Yeah, no big deal.

Bushkill falls is correct that components of the gas used the Halabja Kurds was supplied by the US.

"Damned if we do/Damned if we don't" you say? That's a pretty flippant response from someone who uses crimes that we facilitated to rationalize our own aggressive war. That's called "Having your cake and eating it too".

CPL, US Army, 1984-1991; Operation Desert Shield/Storm, Dec '90-May '91. Got that?
Who the hell said I'd altered my view of the war? I think it was the right thing to do, WMD or not, but given how poorly it's been managed it would be better if we hadn't. Again, that's hindsight.
I'll agree that the security situation in Iraq is worse than before the invasion-thanks more to the failure to secure the borders than to the Iraqi terrorists. Actually, I'm NOT unconcerned about the plight of the Iraqis; they're the ones getting killed by the terrorists-and as bad as that is now, it could only get worse if we just bug out and remove all the barriers to their savagery. So...we surrender, untold thousands get slaughtered-would that make you happy? Would you feel vindicated? Gawd..you're delusional-it's sad.
BTW, Bushkill, it's almost amusing-"No legitimate scientists are debating..." Meaning skeptics. Meaning scientists who don't agree with your agenda. Uh-huh..

"Bushkill falls is correct that components of the gas used the Halabja Kurds was supplied by the US."

Baloney.

If you had a citation you'd link to it.

There is no evidence that we gave him the "components" of the chemical weapons he used against the Kurds.

First all, he had his own capabilities to make poison gas. The same process that is used to make fertilizers can be altered to make chemical weapons. It's the same chemistry.

The Soviets, the French, the Germans and the Eastern Europeans gave Saddam the overwhelming amount of his military aresenal.

Wow, you guys have been given some bad history.

"Where do you think Saddam's weapons came from when he gassed the Kurds?"

Baloney!!! Unmitigated, 100% baloney.

There is no evidence that the US supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons he used against the Kurds.

Baloney on top of balone on top of baloney.

Posted by: YesBut at February 11, 2007 6:43 PM

The Ties That Blind
How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons

By NORM DIXON

On August 18, 2002, the New York Times carried a front-page story headlined, "Officers say U.S. aided Iraq despite the use of gas". Quoting anonymous US "senior military officers", the NYT "revealed" that in the 1980s, the administration of US President Ronald Reagan covertly provided "critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war". The story made a brief splash in the international media, then died.

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

THE IGNORANCE OF THE RIGHT IS TRULY ASTOUNDING.
THE FACT THAT WE STILL NEED TO EDUCATE THEM IS FUNNY.

Now the tin foil hats come out and attack with THE BIG OIL companies paying off scientist. How about the Sierra Club that made 98 million dollars last year and funds studies on climate change? Would any scientist who is paid by the Sierra Club come up with a study that disproved global warming? Since the Serria Club makes money by promoting the global warming boogeyman, I don't think they would pay a scientist who would cut off their gravy train.

"critical battle planning assistance at a time"

Critical battle assistance is the same thing as providing him chemical weapons?

You can't see the difference?

We gave that assistance out of concern that the Iranians would overrun his country.

We also gave a lot of assistance to Joseph Stalin too. It's interesting that the left doesnt' condemn the US for helping good old Uncle Joe.

By the way, the Kurds celebrate George Bush as their hero for helping liberate their country.

Try to go to Kurdistan and denounce Bush and see what happens.

If the NYT has anonymous sources then I am convinced.

"but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs"

Baloney.

There is no evidence we "helped" Iraq develop its WMD programs.

None.

You cite a NY Times piece and then paste a separate section from another source onto it.

Let me guess: Its' from Counterpunch? Or some other far left anti-American publication.

Right now, our friends are going to leftwing websites to try and find allegations that the US "gave" or "helped" or "supplied" Iraq with their WMD programs or weapons.

What they'll do is find one source who makes that claim. That source alone will be sufficient to "prove" that we aided Saddam.

All other overwhelming evidence that disproves that allegation will be ignored.

I wonder why? Why will they ignore 1000 pieces of evidence that exculpate the US but believe 1 piece of "evidence" the inculpates the US?

I wonder why?

Now the tin foil hats come out and attack with THE BIG OIL companies paying off scientist.

Maybe because it's true and reports have come out about it just this week and months ago.
THE FACTOR continues to be an idiot.

"Who the hell said I'd altered my view of the war? I think it was the right thing to do, WMD or not, but given how poorly it's been managed it would be better if we hadn't. Again, that's hindsight."

er...you said:

"I wish we'd never gone in (in hindsight)..."

...and that clearly suggests a change of mind. However, I think I see what you are saying - you think it was a noble cause worth doing, but that the abysmal way in which it has been f---ed-up makes you wish we had not invaded at all. Am I right?

Why was it f---ed up as bad as it has been? Should we not have disbanded the Iraqi Army? Should we not have fired the entire civil bureaucracy? Should we have provided some security immediately following the invasion and our disbanding of the police force? Should we have provided some economic incentive for peace and order - like issuing reconstruction contracts to Iraqi firms and jobs to the Iraqi people? Should we perhaps have avoided closing the newspaper of Moqtada al Sadr - an act that gave him the status of wronged hero and initiated the first Shi'ite insurgency?

Couldn't we have done the exact opposite of these things, and concievably be in a much better position today?

And finally, who was responsible for all of these inexplicable errors, and what were the reasons they were executed?

I wonder why? Why will they ignore 1000 pieces of evidence that exculpate the US but believe 1 piece of "evidence" the inculpates the US?

I wonder why?

Posted by: YesBut at February 11, 2007 7:02 PM

If there are 1000 pieces that proves the US didn't supply saddam with chemical and biological weapons show me one legitimate source.
List your source, please.

Bushkill Falls -

very unfair of You! That demand only goes right-to-left, not the other way!

Great limerick, Col Allard!
My reference to the pres trying to get along with the backstabbing opposition party was a general one (No Child Left Behind with that esteemed killer Ted Kennedy, for example); by 'mess' I meant his presidency, not the war.
'Wolfowitz/Cheney cabal'? 'Neo-cons'? Oh, yeah, those dirty, nasty JEWS, huh?! Now I see where you are-no wonder you so adore the islamonazis.

Wow, Gulf War Vet pulls out all the stops! Now we're antisemetic because he links neoconservativism with Jewishness. What a f---ing a--hole.

"Right now, our friends are going to leftwing websites to try and find allegations that the US "gave" or "helped" or "supplied" Iraq with their WMD programs or weapons."

How about the Washington Post , yesbut. Headbutt is foiled again.
I'm very surprised that this is such news to you, or do you just turn a blind eye to all damaging evidence you see that makes the US look bad ?

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds

By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002;

High on the Bush administration's list of justifications for war against Iraq are President Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons, nuclear and biological programs, and his contacts with international terrorists. What U.S. officials rarely acknowledge is that these offenses date back to a period when Hussein was seen in Washington as a valued ally.

Among the people instrumental in tilting U.S. policy toward Baghdad during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war was Donald H. Rumsfeld, now defense secretary, whose December 1983 meeting with Hussein as a special presidential envoy paved the way for normalization of U.S.-Iraqi relations. Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.

In the Kurdish village of Halabjah in northern Iraq on March 20, 1988, a father holds his baby. Both were believed killed by an Iraqi chemical attack.

The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Throughout the 1980s, Hussein's Iraq was the sworn enemy of Iran, then still in the throes of an Islamic revolution. U.S. officials saw Baghdad as a bulwark against militant Shiite extremism and the fall of pro-American states such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and even Jordan -- a Middle East version of the "domino theory" in Southeast Asia. That was enough to turn Hussein into a strategic partner and for U.S. diplomats in Baghdad to routinely refer to Iraqi forces as "the good guys," in contrast to the Iranians, who were depicted as "the bad guys."

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS NEXT PART, AND LEARN A LITTLE.
A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.

Let me guess: Its' from Counterpunch? Or some other far left anti-American publication.

Posted by: YesBut at February 11, 2007 6:59 PM

yESBUT WILL NOW TELL US THE WASHINGTON pOST IS A FAR LEFT ANTIAMERICAN PUBLICATION.

or he will admit he is wrong and show a bit of integrity!

Why do you sympathize with Islam, but at the same time have such hatred for others who you use their religion as a basis for their actions?

Why don't you want these extremists dead? Why do you hate your fellow Americans so much?

If I sell you a gun, one of the deals is to not use it on me or my friends. You can't threaten to use it on me or my friends, and if you get arrested. You will need to relinquish the gun.

This is from Wikipedia, another far left anti-american publication:

The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples to Iraq under Saddam Hussein up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. These materials included anthrax, West Nile virus and botulism, as well as Brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene. Some of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program.

"Legislative oversight? Congress has the so-called power of the purse as its check/balance on the executive; the Constitution does not confer upon Congress the power to tell the executive what it can/cannot/WILL do."

Gulf War Vet's ignorance regarding our country's founding document is amazing. Ever hear of "advice and consent"? What about hearings and impeachment? Why didn't the Republican congress merely use their "power of the purse" to keep Clinton from spending WH petty cash on condoms?

And, since Bush has gotten every war appropriation he's asked for; how can you blame the minority Democratic legislators of screwing up the war?

Hindsight: a view of the past from the perspective of the present day.
Yes, SLB, your reading of my meaning is essentially accurate; I had misgivings about the war before it started-a bad feeling, maybe-but I never thought it wasn't the right thing to do. Yeah, obviously at least some of those things you mentioned should've been done/not done, but show me a war that was ever perfect.

My guess is Yesbut has disappeared and will resurface under another name.
He has been proven wrong, and instead of learning, will continue to live another day and preach his ignorance at this site.

"And, since Bush has gotten every war appropriation he's asked for; how can you blame the minority Democratic legislators of screwing up the war?"

Oh. I don't know comparing our troops to Nazis, or running a Soviet Gulag, or raiding people in the middle of the night, or inferring that they are stupid and "stuck" in Iraq or claiming that the Commander in Chief is a criminal. These are all so helpful to the cause. Why would anyone doubt their patriotism?

Please, GWV - show me a war in which nothing could have been better devised to achieve the polar opposite of the aggressor's publically stated goals.

And as for hindsight - Every single fact that continuesw to convince me today that this war was a lie was available prior to the invasion - the cororate media refused to discuss them, so they we ignored by intellectually incurous Americans.

Advice and consent refers to nominations, ie federal judges and cabinet officers-not war policy! Or have you discovered an a--hole-emanation in penumbrae?
Also, I'm not about to slam anyone here as anti-semitic, not quite, but I will point out that those who are most often referred to as 'neocons' are Jewish, and are the same people islamonazis (Ahmadnutjobyabbadabbadoo in Iran, for example) like to blame the ills of their barbaric region on. Has that not occurred to you?

"Oh. I don't know comparing our troops to Nazis, or running a Soviet Gulag, or raiding people in the middle of the night, or inferring that they are stupid and "stuck" in Iraq or claiming that the Commander in Chief is a criminal. These are all so helpful to the cause. Why would anyone doubt their patriotism?
"
Posted by: at February 11, 2007 7:30 PM

Boy you Republicans have no spine and wispy little tolet-paper skins. You think that words like these are more damaging than all the destructive provocation conducted by Rummy and Bremer that I listed previously? What a pack of pussies - and stupid to boot!

...and by the way; f--- the Cause! its a lie and it represents the seeds of OUR DESTRUCTION. Support the troops by getting them the f--- out of Iraq!

"Also, I'm not about to slam anyone here as anti-semitic, not quite, but I will point out that those who are most often referred to as 'neocons' are Jewish, and are the same people islamonazis (Ahmadnutjobyabbadabbadoo in Iran, for example) like to blame the ills of their barbaric region on. Has that not occurred to you?"

Its not my fault what mythology they associate with - but it sure comes in handy as a PC shield to you rght-wingers when you cannot otherwise defend the idiotic neocon bullsh-t you subscribe to.

What you don't seem to appreciate, SLB, is that to people in the Middle East-especially the TERRORISTS-words mean a lot-especially when they're coming from within the government of their enemy. They certainly cite the words of Kerry and Durbin and others in their propaganda. Rummy and Bremer-thoze nathty Jews again. I really wish you could see it-the mantra you spew. Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rummy, Bremer-and if they'd just go away the terrorists would love us. Uh..yeah..
f--- the cause? The cause of freedom, I guess you mean. Right..

Rummy and Bremer are Jews? What the f--- are you talking about?

Words mean a lot to Americans, too - at least they used to. I worry more about our government lying to its people than the people expressing honest concerns in the hearing of foreigners.

"Our next president, no matter DEM or REP will start to catch up with the rest of the world in installing "green" policies.
Bush is setting us back almost a decade."
Bushkill Falls

Let’s see what counties are installing these "green" policies?
How about one of the world’s largest manufactures, China?
No they have no "green" policies; they are actually building more coal burning factories.
How about India?
No
How about South Korea?
No
How about Russia?
No
Mexico?
No
The United States is supposed to destroy its economy while China and India pollute all they want?

...and I usualy sign off when the idiot I'm conversing with throws in the gratuitous lisp in his post - it indicates severe desperation and intellectual bankruptcy. Goodnight, a--hole.

For what it's worth, I consider myself a REAL conservative; I do NOT subscribe to the 'neocon' ideology you refer to (if I understand correctly what you mean by that-can you clarify?). I probably disagree with the pres. more than I agree with him, but I don't hate him, condemn him, demonize him because of my differences with him. If y'all could articulately put forth a better way (on ALL the issues, not just the war) without resorting to vitriol, you just might win over some fence-sitters. But you can't be honest, can you? Nothing you would do if given the chance would be frowned upon by Karl Marx, I'm sure. I might be wrong about this, but I happen to believe you've misinterpreted the results of the last election...it wasn't so much an embrace of what YOU stand for as a repudiation of the GOP, which has been largely overrun by a bunch of gutless and/or greedy NON-conservative POLITICIANS (ie McCain and Hagel), much the same as the once respectable Democrat party has been hijacked by eco-extremists and other radical fringe elements.

The Factor:
No fair putting forth FACTS, friend. No fair pointing out the economic ruin the radicals' solution would bring, either-they'll hotly deny it anyhow, even though that very thing would benefit them politically. There may well be a global warming trend which is part of the planet's cycle, and human activity may be a minor contributing cause, but we can be sure that these Marxists are exaggerating both. Volcanoes and bovine flatulence, now-those are significant sources of greenhouse gases. We can't do much about volcanoes, so I suggest we do our part by eating significantly more beef! The vega-kooks won't like that, but it's for The Cause! Buon appetito!

three days ago:

At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush's Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine's Soroush Shehabi. "I'm the grandson of one of the late Shah's ministers," said Soroush, "and I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime we all despise will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized."

"I know," President Bush answered.

"But does Vice President Cheney know?" asked Soroush.

President Bush chuckled and walked away.

...and then the righties will say "forget about how we got here - what do we do now?"

I think Olbermann really may have done himself in this time. His attack on Anderson Cooper makes no sense. How could Olbermann say Cooper is not a journalist while Cooper is all over the world reporting in dangerous venues while Olbermann sits in his comfy studio and throws bombs at Republicans and all his superior media competition (which includes CNN)? Say what you want about Anderson Cooper, but you have to give the guy a lot of credit for risking his life in war zones. He's clearly in a different league than Keith Olbermann.

Notice how Olbermann's P.R. spin machine (Brian Stelter of TVNewser) is trying to rationalize Olbermann's comments, by the way. And two posts earlier there's an attack on O'Reilly too. No wonder Fox cut that college loser off, now I bet CNN will too. What a complete failure TVNewser is.

Sir Loin of Beef,
At what point do we confront Iran. After they fire a missle at one of our aircraft carriers? After they nuke Isreal? When will they go to far for you? Tell me Nevil Chamberlin, when will they cross that liberal line.

The UN Report stated that no matter what corrective actions the world takes re "global warming", it will make no difference - it will not arrest the march of the global warming trend generated by their computer models (not supported by real life data).

So why spend TRILLIONS of dollars to achieve neglible effect on this dramatized global warming? Haven't you heard the opportunity cost concept? The trillions required by Libs, to be spent on global warming means we (including USA, and all the Western democracies) have to reduce production,agriculture, etc. I get it - the Libs who view life through the Socilaist prism, are perenially looking to confer VICTIM STATUS on all, so that we can have BIGGER government to dictate how we live our lives. Why does Al Gore fly by private jet, when he knows full well, that is a major contributor to global warming emissions> Hypocrites. Note the SUVs etc that these global warming exponents drive.
Hank Williams4th
Australia

The Keith-cult is out in force, trying to spin this for him. http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/02/10/olbermann-vs-cooper/

get a load of the latest loony comment where they try to explain why Olbermann can't get his fat butt out of a studio:

"He has celiac disease.

He’s anemic and problems with his joints and bones (I used to wonder why he walked funny, kinda like a very tall or gangly person, but maybe the disease has something to do with it).

Of course I’m not exactly sure how severe his case is, but I’ve definitely heard that’s why he doesn’t report from the field anymore."

Is there nothing his fanatical cult members won't dream up to excuse him of? If he shot and killed someone on air, they'd claim it was self-defense. Or that their eyes were lying. I honestly believe they are crazier than he is and that they honestly believe he is telling the truth and they want so desperately to believe him. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

He's insulting Anderson Cooper?
Uberloon must be in a stupor
Mr. journalist-hack
Mr. pot-kettle-black
Keith has his head up his pooper

A truly great editorial in Monday's on-line edition of the GUARDIAN which I would encourage everyone to read. It can be found at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2010504,00.html

The writer succinctly states the multiple crises Shrub has created and leaves for his successor & the American people to try to resolve. We have a truly massive task ahead of us, but I am so eager to begin to repair the damage. I only wish Shrub's ride off into the smoggy skies to great neo-con binge party were sooner.

By the way: Big, big news mid-week that is going to have some of you FReepers scratching your heads and crying into your lite beers.

10/10/2002
Who said Saddam has weapons of mass destruction?
Who said Saddam if left uncheck would try to re-establish his nuke weapons program?
Who said Saddam has a clear connection to terrorists?
Must have been George Bush right?
No try Hillary Clinton before she voted to authorize use of force in Iraq.

Schultz, give us a hint..is Nazi Pelosi gonna propose to outlaw 'neo-cons' (those nasty JEWS)?

"He’s anemic and problems with his joints and bones (I used to wonder why he walked funny, kinda like a very tall or gangly person, but maybe the disease has something to do with it). Posted by: Brandon at February 11, 2007 8:53 PM"

As is usual, Brandon has zero, zip on Keith that is of any real political significance. Always reduced to comments that have little, if anything, to do with the climate of politics this nation and our troops face on a regular basis.

Making fun of a person's physical condition simply because you've got nothing else is standard fair for the morons who champion the Republican parties TASS News propaganda machine - FOX Noise.

You are a great representative of Johnny (Richie Rich cartoon name) Dollar and his mentor, R Cox. After 2 weeks of dick size commentary yall have evolved to this.

Talk about a bunch losers!

It appears that Keith's going insane
Has Celiac affected his brain?
He's in the bathtub
Does he hate George Dub
Because he bumped his head on a train?

the point is that Olbermann has been quoted as saying on air that he has a very mild case of the disease. Olbermann also seems to have no trouble going to L.A. to go on Leno's show or to Florida for Spring Training. As another poster here once put it, Keith doesn't fly to cover stories but he has no problem flying if it involves baseball or pussy. The person offering up these excuses wasn't able to cite a single source to back-up their claims. It's another fantasy being spun by the Olbermann-fan-cult who will do anything, say anything to excuse him of his outrageous behaviors.

Anyone else remember their claims that the Nazi Salute photo was a photoshop job? A conspiracy between the reporter from Broadcasting & Cable who reported it and the photographer to "swiftboat" Keith? Yeah, I think we know how that one turned out too. These people are nuttier than he is.

Oh and one more thing? The name of the board is yes, Olbermannwatch, not political discussion so CW? I'd say I was on topic and you're off of it, which is where you Olby-apologists like it, because you know there's no logical explanations for his insane behavior and over-the-top bias and slanted "reporting".

"Olbermannwatch, not political discussion"
Posted by: Brandon at February 11, 2007 9:41 PM

How much more need be said? You are by far the stupidest person to ever visit this page.

I just wish you would post here more often. No one makes you side of the isle look more stupid than you.

You are a gem!

Schultz, give us a hint..is Nazi Pelosi gonna propose to outlaw 'neo-cons' (those nasty JEWS)?

Posted by: Gulf War Vet at February 11, 2007 9:24 PM

Looks like Redwolf is posting incognito again

The word is "aisle" not "isle" which is short for Island. You know--kinda like the Island of Insanity that you apparently post from. If you're going to insult my intelligence, you might want to make sure you understand the words you're using in your posts first. Really, you people make it way too easy.

And that my friends is an example of your average Olbermann-lunatic, just as arrogant and egotistical as he is and just as clueless and witless. But very amusing, oh so amusing.

"Sir Loin of Beef,
At what point do we confront Iran. After they fire a missle at one of our aircraft carriers? After they nuke Isreal? When will they go to far for you? Tell me Nevil Chamberlin, when will they cross that liberal line.
Posted by: The Factor at February 11, 2007 8:47 PM"

Hide under your bed, the sky is falling! How out of touch with reality does one idiot like you have to be to repeat such Sean Hannity pussy sh-t coward scare tactic garbage like this?

Iran launches a nuke at Israel and Tehran is ashes before the missile leaves Iranian air space. Why the hell aren't you saying this about N Korea? Israel is armed to the teeth with nukes and they are aimed right at Tehran!

Iran is saber rattling for one reason, US military build up on it's boarders. They live in fear that the insane a--holes who got more than 3000 of America's finest killed and 30,000 maimed in a quest to grab control of oil flow in the Persian Gulf's second largest oil reserves - Iraq.

As is usual with pussy cowards like you, taking the bait by a--holes like Hannity is a regular thing.

Iran has no desire to engage in a war with the planets largest most sophisticated military. Only a dumb ass would be so stupid to talk like you do.

But hey that is what cowards are made of - stupidity!

Brandon - spell sheck corector extrodinare!

And he is big on dick size commentary as well as any other physical ailments one might have!

Nothing that comes from his posts reflect a hint of understanding what "the national debate" is all about.

But this board isn't meant to be about "national debate" but about Keith Olbermann. Your arrogance in insisting otherwise says all we need to know about YOUR intelligence, or lack thereof. But thanks for playing, your very amusing, as all Olbyloons are.

Distraction, obfuscation, misinformation, disinformation, outright deceit. These lefties got the Marxist/Stalinist song down to the note.

"But this board isn't meant to be about "national debate" but about Keith Olbermann.
Posted by: Brandon at February 11, 2007 10:08 PM"

No it's not. It's about the politics of our nation. The only way an itelegent person would attack Keith Olbermann would be to demonstrate he is faulty in his political commentary.

That "debate" ended last Nov 7th. However, I do recognise piss poor losers like you would like to debate the size of dick or his physical health, but what the hell does that have to do with the quality of his views and his comments?

Bush being rated below 30% and the House and Senate being held by Dems would indicate Keith Olbermann is well in line with the people of this nation.

And people like you are bent out of shape over all of this. The best you can do is live in denial and pretend you have a leg to stand on. You do not.

Now be careful not to debate me on this.

Brandon:

It is histerical to see you equate refusal to go along with the official format of an "attack dog" web site with "lack of intelligence". Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

On the contrary, I think most would say "lack of intelligence" would be more the trait of those who reverantly follow the status quo as set by others, be it by a roque president, or by a web site format that is put there solely to defend that roque president. No, Brandon, Olbermann the man, is not really the point of this Web site at all, but shutting him up is the whole point!

Distraction, obfuscation, misinformation, disinformation, outright deceit. These lefties got the Marxist/Stalinist song down to the note.

Posted by: at February 11, 2007 10:16 PM

Hiding your name is hiding from me. I take that as a compliment on my effectiveness here.

Deceit? Talk to me after Cheney gets his full exposure in the Valerie Plame case.

This Marxist/Stalinist crap is standard fare for constitutional democracy haters who live in fear. You're just doing your coward talk sh-t again. You got anything else but this pussy talk?

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. BenFrank

It looks like "" is hiding his name from "". It gets so weird here............

No, Brandon, Olbermann the man, is not really the point of this Web site at all, but shutting him up is the whole point!

Posted by: Woogy at February 11, 2007 10:28 PM

Exactly and to do this one would be required to justify such a desire to shut him through debate as in the debate that goes on here daily.

Good point Woogy! Silencing a critique of our government goes against everything every this nation was founded on. What WWII was about and what the Cold War was about.

This is why I have the attitude I have here. These Democracy hating a--holes stand against everything our fore father fought and died for.

They are pathetic in every sense of the word!

It looks like "" is hiding his name from "". It gets so weird here............

Posted by: Rico at February 11, 2007 10:37 PM

It's called making a point by example fool! Are you going to go through your regular motions again making a fool of yourself for me? And will you have the balls to put your moniker to it?

I have to run to the store. Be back in an hour.

I wasn't hiding anything, just forgot. What's YOUR excuse? Live in fear hell-I'm concerned, and with good reason. The islamonazis have SAID they want to kill us all if they can't convert us-what more do you need to hear? Another Frenchman heard from-go eat your quiche, pinko.

the arrogant insistence of the Olbycultists never ends. They want to define the terms of the debate here, knowing full well what the board's main mission is, and then they want to insult the intellect of posters when they themselves can't spell simple words.

The islamonazis have SAID they want to kill us all if they can't convert us-what more do you need to hear? Another Frenchman heard from-go eat your quiche, pinko.

Posted by: Gulf War Vet at February 11, 2007 10:42 PM

You can't help yourself can you? Always have to show you know zip about world politics and always have to look like coward.

The religious fundamentalist is where you are correct though. These people are dangerous. Unfortunately you represent them here. They are called evangelicals and they are behind the president in going abroad to bomb and kill people by the tens of thousands.

As for Iran - stupid dumb ass they are not Sunni the Islamic division of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. You know the ones who attacked this nation? Dumb ass!

The people of Iran hate their government and are not fundamentalist as a whole the way Saudi Arabia is, you know the nation sent the attackers of the WTC? Dumb ass!

The Bush family has been in business with the House of Saud for decades.

Iran is a nation with the planets largest military on it's boarder causing mayhem - death and destruction on a huge scale. They have every reason to live in fear.

What the hell is your excuse you f---ing ignorant coward? You are trash of the worst kind. You pretend to be the victim while you cheer the victimizer.

I bet you are a Christian as in Evangelical Christian. You know the ones who are "Christ like" as in the Prince of Peace.

Back at 9PM PT
a--hole!!!!

Their problem is confusing exposure of what Overbite says (partly for the benefit of the vast majority of people who wouldn't watch his crap on a dare) with wanting to silence him. I for one don't want him silenced-by all means, let him talk! Conservatism needs all the help it can get, and with a nutcase like Overbite on the side of the so-called liberals, we don't need attacks.

"go eat your quiche, pinko"..

&

"the islamonazis have SAID they want to kill us all if they can't convert us"

Twin statements of ignorance from the same small mind. No doubt the lions of the Serengetti 'WANT' to eat your children! How do you stop them from doing that? You simply keep your children out of the Serengetti, you don't go trying to wipe out all the lions.

The 'Islamists' have so far proven themselves totally incapable of even getting along among themselves, much less coming after us. They have been unable to even enter the twentieth century, much less the twenty first. Every bit of technology they do enjoy was provided by others.

Just how in the hell do you think they would ever have the ability to "kill us all"?

Now, if you want something to really worry about, maybe you should be looking towards China and the Far East.

I happen to be something of an agnostic, a--hole. People can practice their religion if they have one, but I don't want it foisted upon me-by Christians or anyone else. Stick your pinko talking points up your a$$-sideways. Meanwhile, here's something that might get the discussion back more toward the intended topic: Overbite sucks! He's a candy-ass pinko! But again-by all means, let him talk.

"Overbite sucks! He's a candy-ass pinko!"

Truly the words of a mental giant!

"they want to define the terms of the debate here, knowing full well what the board's main mission is"

Absolutely! The "board's main mission" is to trash Keith Olbermann, any and every way they possibly can, and my main mission is to expose the ignorance and hypocrisy of those who are trying to do that.

The United States is supposed to destroy its economy while China and India pollute all they want?

Posted by: The Factor at February 11, 2007 7:54 PM

"So why spend TRILLIONS of dollars to achieve neglible effect on this dramatized global warming? Haven't you heard the opportunity cost concept? The trillions required by Libs, to be spent on global warming means we (including USA, and all the Western democracies) have to reduce production,agriculture, etc."

Two comments from two different uninformed people on the right.They are obviously very unaware of what is happening all over the world.Developing policies that would be beneficial to God's green earth can also be profitable.
All you need to do is look at General Motors and Ford, stumbling in part because they failed to come up with the consumer's demands for smaller efficient cars.
BTW, Ford lost a staggering $12.7 billion in 2006. If that's not incentive enough to change your ways, nothing is.
American car companies had the opportunity to get the patent for the hybrid car but they didn't b/c they lacked vision and an understanding of the need for clean efficient energy.
Just like the global warming doubters at this site !!!!!
The Japanese forged ahead and now the best hybrid cars are the Prius and Honda Hybrid.
They outsmarted us just like they did decades ago.

In 2005, venture capitalists invested more than $44 billion in "smart technologies"for the grid, hybrid,solar,wind,tidal,wave,and geothermal energy. It's becoming cool to be clean, green and profitable.California is way ahead on solar and automobiles only because they knew they couldn't rely on any leadership from this backward republican president. In our 2nd most progressive state,that being Massachusetts,renewable energy and energy efficient initiatives have spawned 10,000 new jobs.These two states are just beginning to see the light, but the rest of our country is lagging very much behind.
California and Mass.are just starting to follow in the footsteps of great cities such as Vienna, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Zurich, Amsterdam, London, and Berlin who are using different housing and living options, transit systems and policies for promoting transit use, increasing bicycle use, and minimizing the role of the automobile.
They're using creative ways of incorporating greenness into cities, ways of readjusting "urban metabolism" so that waste flows become circular, programs promoting more sustainable forms of economic development, sustainable building and sustainable design measures and features.
These cities are using renewable energy initiatives and local efforts to promote solar energy, ways of greening the many decisions of local government including ecological budgeting, green accounting, and other city management tools.

The thinking of people like THE FACTOR and many of the other syncopants at this site that deny the existence of the need for "green policies" and efficient energy sources mimic the pigheadness and ignorance and failures of Ford and General Motors.
The United States can get into this "brave new world" of green policies and model themselves after the successful European countries that are changing their paradigm and making it profitable or fall by the wayside and become the
AMC Pacers of the world !

I must've missed something...I don't see anybody here saying that it would be a bad thing or even unhelpful if we moved more toward green energy. I certainly don't think it'd be bad-not at all. I don't even discount the possibility that the way we consume energy today constitutes a significant part of human contribution to 'greenhouse gases'. However, if green energy were indeed so profitable it would be much more prevalent today than it is-the auto manufacturers' admitted stupidity notwithstanding. It could be that only fairly recently technology has advanced to the point where green energy IS profitable, and that's all very well and good. Unfortunately, it seems that some persist in this delusion that converting to green energy across the board could be accomplished relatively overnight-if of course the government mandates it and throws money at it. It will happen anyway, in its good time; rushing or (worse) forcing it would likely result in the sort of energy problems California experienced a few years ago, but nationwide. It's unfortunate that some people insist on making essentially good points and tarnishing them by casting insults-and I don't profess to be innocent of that myself, but I do at least recognize and acknowledge it.

Hi everybody!

Just dropped by to say, less than 16 days till somebody's contract runs out!

Arguing with people on the internet is like particpating in the Special Olympics.

You might win, but you're still retarded.

Why do people here attack olermann. He speaks the truth and is preventing this nation from becoming a dictatorship.

This site is always an adventure. A whole bunch of KO haters.

"The United States is supposed to destroy its economy while China and India pollute all they want?
Posted by: The Factor at February 11, 2007 7:54 PM"

Typical thinking of a Fox Noise minion. Two wrongs make a right. Leading the world by example is beyond the conceptions of pea brain idiots like The Factor. (Perfect name for an idiot)

China and India have more than 2 billion people and if they use your logic then they should be able to say, "The United States just took the second largest oil reserve on the planet under their control so why can't we take Kuwait or Venezuela?"

This is why you and the rest of the culture of the Klan - the Christian Right can never again be allowed to be significant in American politics again. To many innocent people die and the hatred towards America goes through the roof!

Not to mention your premise is full of sh-t. "Destroy our economy"? Are you totally retarded? I suppose you would like to see Japan or Germany be the first nation to find a solution to the planet's energy problems. That way they can reap all the profits from such a huge industry. You're a total dumbass!

Hi everybody!

Just dropped by to say, less than 16 days till somebody's contract runs out!

Posted by: puck at February 12, 2007 12:57 AM

Another count down? Kind of like I and many others were did in the days running up to Nov 7th. And when the day finally came and went you and all the other pin heads admitted nothing about your predictions being way off. Typical faking posers with zero to stand on.

So you can repeat this again when his contract is up and the guy is still out there calling Billo a big fat liar and telling the world just how idiotic Fox Noise really is.

Rupert Murderdoch - the most evil enemy of democracy since Moa Tse Tung and Joseph Stalin.

Puck? Champion of Fox News and Murderdoch

Punk is more like it. What kind of loser names himself after an MTV character?

What kind of loser thinks Puck is nothing but an MTV character. Possibly an uneducated one.

Johnny $ is a pigf---ing cock sucking jackoff that f---s little boys to feel like a "real man".

His last post is a sparkling example of how Johnny loves to twist things.

Did CW call Puck a MTV character? NO, I don't think he did. CW called Puck a 'loser' who NAMED himself after an MTV character, and then justified his 'loser' criticizm by citing this choice of a pen name.

Anyone who thinks I'm splitting hairs here need only to look back at the harping by both Johnny and Puck regarding KO's lampooning of O'Reilly over his self serving send a copy of "Culture Warrier" to the troops program.

Johnny Dollar is a fluffer for gay pornos.

What kind of loser thinks Puck is nothing but an MTV character. Possibly an uneducated one.

Posted by: johnny dollar at February 12, 2007 2:14 AM

Puck the MTV character was a disturbed person with some admitted social skills problems. The person using this name seems to over look this characteristic for some reason. Could it be that he is just a complete dumb ass like J$ a guy who names himself after a cartoon character????

Johnny Dollars mother kicked him out at the age 44 after finding him molesting his mentally handicap father.

*sigh*
So much for civil discourse.
As I began my first post: Pathetic pinkos!
Puck was also the name of a character in Shakespeare's 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'. Illiterate pinkos wouldn't know that, what with the sorry state of public education today-rolling condoms onto carrots is deemed more important than literature, and you people wring your hands about those who 'don't know history'?! And you want the same government that f---ed up public education to run our health care system?! Well f--- you so very much!! Observation in closing...zero on the issues from you pinkos in the last several posts, just vile and baseless attacks, but I imagine that's simply an indication of the contents of your skulls-ZERO. Please DO NOT dig the wax out of your ears! The inrush of air filling the void in between will precipitate an explosion which will cause all cattle within a hundred miles to spontaneously generate more flatulence, hence exacerbating global warming. It might hurt a little, too.

Last night Gulf War Vet explicitly disavowed neocon political philosophy; he repudiated the leadership of GW Bush; he said that in hindsight he wished we never invaded Iraq; he said prior to the invasion he was uneasy about the war;...

He also insinuated that anyone criticizing the neocons was fair game for charges of anti-semitism; claimed that any criticism of GW Bush helps our enemies; clearly said that the war is helping the Iraqis while at the same time keeping savage terrorists active in that country so they wont attack us here.

Does the term "having ones cake and eating it too" - and then sh-tting it out and eating it again - come to anyone else's mind here? When pressed about his philosphical or political affiliations with the overt failures that carry the right-wing banners these day, GWV distances himself - who wants to be associated with a universally maligned failure? But when questioned about the specific policies and perspectives of these scheming pirates and powerful retards he is on board 110%.

It is exasperating to deal with people this flighty who lack clear understandings - or apparently even respect - for their own positions.

Schultz - this brings me to a longtime ascertion of mine: Bush has already abjectly capitulated to Al Qeada.

Prior to and immediately following 9/11 Osama demanded one thing of the US: that we remove our troops and bases from Saudi Arabia. That was it.

Well, in the Spring of 2003 Bush did just that - to the letter. As icing on the cake he used these troops and materiel to attack Osama's "secular socialist" nemesis Saddam Hussein.

When asked why Al Qeada has not atacked us since then, just say "we surrendered".

You are wacked and a simpleton grissle boy.

Exactly- Only democrats surrender

Wow! This one is weaker than usual, which puts it near zero. Let me get this straight: Not liking war-zone amenities = hating the troops? You girls are pathetic. No, I take that back. It would be an insult to all the pathetic people out there...

You girls got nothing on Olbermann and day after day you show it. Day after day another fact comes out proving that he is right and you facists are wrong...

And, you still don't get it...

To the contrary, day after day, Dollar does a great job pointing out the lies and distortions of Olbermann, which you freaks immediately ignore and instead launch into your 9,999,9999 attack on Bush in a desperate attempt to get the attention off of Olbermann and onto anything else that would hopefully keep discussion away from Olbermann's lies and distortions. The fact that you people are so desperate to believe him that you are willing to do any and everything possible to change the discussion to exonerate him is pathetic. You whine, moan, groan, and bitch endlessly about the alleged "bias" of Fox News but you can't see that Olbermann is far more biased and flat-out wrong on so many occasions. We still don't get it? No, you don't get it. Olbermann is not a journalist, he's a carnival freak side show.

M Schultz,

Bill Clinton received his draft notice in 1969, the dreaded "Greetings..." letter. He wrote a letter back to his draft board asking them to undraft him because he was planning to join the ROTC the following year in college, which he never did. Are you still into the "Rathergate" deal?

Did you want Bush to invade Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq? If so, say so. Would it please you if Bush invaded Saudi Arabia tomorrow? If so, say so.

You list many countries that we have "surrendered to", like Iran. I thought all of you lefties were in a tizzy because Bush is getting ready to attack Iran.

You say there are "few paths to victory". Let's pretend it's Sept. 12, 2001. You tell us your path to victory.

Rico,

Yeah, I'm still into the "Rathergate" deal...

Bush was prowar...for others; however, when it came time for him to serve, he got someone to give him special treatment. No big deal--everyone wanted special treatment, but, Bush neglected his service once the deal was made. Or, do you know another reason why he was grounded? Didn't think so...

Clinton, on the other hand, made himself available to the draft. Perhaps you were unaware of that.

As for Iran, you'll have to admit that it is pretty stupid to be fighting a nation that WE ARE STILL ARMING.

September 12th, we should've gone into Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia and stayed 'til the job was done...

How's that?

Are you M Schultz and you forgot to sign your work?

Rico,

I'm somebody else. Did something suddenly happen to your spine?

"",

I do not debate people named "". You have a spine but no name?

I had a board name and another of you brave neocons hijacked it until no one could figure out which post was mine. If you cannot address my post (very easy, refer to the time), just admit it and I'll find someone who isn't posting stuff that he already knows to be garbage...

Rico- you will find nameless is one of the most insulting posters here. Weeks ago he said he was sick of the insults towards him so he dropped his name. He can dish it out but is too much of a pussy to take it!

Good to see Ahmadinejad getting his talking points straight from the Democrats like Chris Dodd. True patriot!

There is one character on here who named "Gulf War Vet" who professes utter dismay over seeing his opposition "casting insults", and then pretends to 'sigh' over the lack of "civil discourse".

But then this very SAME sad sack character keeps calling people 'pinkos', in addition to many other disparaging names.

Gulf War Vet, you are so mired in hipocrisy that you are literally about to drown in it. So SOME posters resort to name calling - it doesn't mean that you have to join them.

Keithy Boy, please do the world and especially those who know you personally a favor: imbibe poison.

I agree M Shultz!
Iran is a peace loving democracy with a great human rights record. They're the most progressive regime on Earth. A switzerland in the making!
Levae Iran alone!

President of Czech Republic Calls Man-Made Global Warming a 'Myth' - Questions Gore's Sanity
Mon Feb 12 2007 09:10:09 ET

Czech president Vaclav Klaus has criticized the UN panel on global warming, claiming that it was a political authority without any scientific basis.

In an interview with "Hospodárské noviny", a Czech economics daily, Klaus answered a few questions:

Q: IPCC has released its report and you say that the global warming is a false myth. How did you get this idea, Mr President?•

A: It's not my idea. Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.• This is clearly such an incredible failure of so many people, from journalists to politicians. If the European Commission is instantly going to buy such a trick, we have another very good reason to think that the countries themselves, not the Commission, should be deciding about similar issues.•

TRANSCRIPT CONTINUED AT:
http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Ah, Benson!

You gave the boy an out (and he took it...WHOOSH!). Kinda like when you disappear after you find you are stuck yet again...

Perhaps you'd like to take over for him and respond. Doubt it, though. Neocons are all talk...

And, guess what? I only insult when insulted; moreover, I never complained about being insulted. Perhaps you should check your facts, eh?

Matt:

Please explain to all of us "beligerantly uninformed" just why you think it would do the "world a favor" if Keith committed suicide?

In your explanation, how about elaborating on how Keith's very existence makes YOUR life more difficult, since not listening or watching Keith ever again is but one simple little click on the remote away for you?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Our worth piece of sh-t president is at it again.
This is the most recent evidence:
On Jan 17, Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean went to prison to begin serving 11-12 year sentences.
What did they do to deserve this sentence?
They were convicted of STOPPING A Mexican drug smuggler with 700 lbs of marijuana, pursuing him as he tried to flee on footand wounded him in the butt.
Get this: the smuggler was given IMMUNITY so he could testify in a Texas federal court against the border patrol agents.
Ramos and Compean were found guilty of pursuing the smuggler and not reporting that they fired their weapon.
Where does Bush fit in ?
He has received petitions signed by 250,000 Americans calling for a presidential pardon.He has also received calls and letters from 55 Congressmen from his own party pleading for the border agents to be pardoned.
President George W. Bush response was to ignore all petitions from all sources.
Now these two border agents are in prison for doing their jobs and the smuggler is free and threatening to sue the Unuted States for $5 million.
What makes this more shameful is that Bush has pardoned 100 criminals since he has been in office.Just before Christmas he pardoned 18 more, five who were felons.
A president who espouses moral values has shown none of his own , and in essence, has destroyed the morale of our border patrol agents in a very volatile section of the country.

Ho hum, just another day in the presidency of George W. Bush.

I would love to see KO take on this issue and give it the notoriety it deserves so then Johnny Dollar and his sheep will call KO a liar and try to nullify yet another example of the ignominious reign of King George.

Since most of my relatives are exclusively Fox 'News' junkies, so it did not really surprise me on Sunday, during my customary bi-weekly visit that not one of them had heard the truth about the Nancy Pelosi airplane smear.

They had ALL heard the lie over and over and over again about how Pelosi had demanded this bigger plane with more range, but NOT ONE of them had seen the Thursday press release by the House Sergeant of Arms, Bill Livingood stating that HE ALONE was the one who had requested the bigger plane, STRICTLY for security purposes. He also expressed regret that HIS request had somehow turned into a political issue.

Bill Livingood has been in his position for 11 years and was REPUBLICAN appointed.

Bob, it is a HUGE mistake to let those guards wallow in prison for political reasons! I have no idea why he panders to the illegal aliens and know that if the Dems made this an issue in 2004 it would have been a one term presedency! But they were too afraid also!

Bob:

The really sad thing is how many hard core conservatives have been citing this border guard travesty of justice as an example of all things bad that are 'Liberal', when it is their very own Republican Administration that has created this awful situation.

Yet they still profess to stand behind this roque president.

Here is yet another example of President Bush putting the citizens of this country last.
The focus is on Bush's proposed federal budget.A budget is a statement of priorities, as well a guide to allocating limited funds.
The priority of the Bush budget is unmistakeable.
It's to fight Bush's losing war.
It's not just costing us our reputation and prestige in the world, not just costing us in terms of thousands of American lives, lost and maimed.
It's costing us our shirts and undermining our goals.
According to Bush's budget proposal, deep cuts are required in health care,education,transportation, and support for basic human needs to finance the War in Iraq.
"Our priority is to protect the American people" Bush said last week after a Cabinet meeting devoted to the 2008 budget.
Not exactly.
Our priority is not to protect the American people but the Iraqi people.
Otherwise Bush wouldn't be looking to save $100 billion from Medicare and Medicaid and limit which children are eligible for the Children's Health Insurance Program, in order to come up with the $141 billion that is to be allocated for the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan- not to mention the total $623 billion for defense FOR ONLY 12 MONTHS.
Tell the kids who won't get health insurance that your priority is protecting them.
Tell the seniors who depend on Medicare and will have to pay more for prescription drugs that your priority is protecting them.
Tell the 1 million poor families who will lose the assistance they're now getting to purchase home heating oil that your priority is protecting them.
BUSH'S BIGGEST PRIORITY IS COVERING UP FOR HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE: THE IRAQ WAR and we the citizens are paying for it.
Just remember where our national priorities are and these examples I just gave, the next time you braindead RWers speak glowingly and in support of your president.

Benson says: "I have no idea why he panders to the illegal aliens".

He does this for TWO reasons:

1) - Because, Benson, YOUR president is committed to an eventual union of Canada, the US, and Mexico. All evidence points to that.

2) - In addition, Benson, YOUR president's major priority is, and ALWAYS has been - big business. One of the things these large corporations fear the most is running short of CHEAP labor to fuel their continued record profits.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sworn testimony in the perjury trial of I. Lewis ''Scooter'' Libby has shone a spotlight on White House attempts to sell a gone-wrong war in Iraq to the nation and Vice President Dick Cheney's aggressive role in the effort.
The drama being played out in a Washington courtroom goes back in time to the early summer of 2003. The Bush administration was struggling to overcome growing evidence the mission in Iraq was anything but accomplished.

The claim about weapons of mass destruction that was used to justify the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 had not been supported. Insurgent attacks were on the rise. Accusations were growing that the White House had distorted intelligence to rationalize the invasion.

Trial testimony so far -- including eight hours of Libby's own audio-recordedd testimony to a grand jury in 2004 -- suggest that a White House known as disciplined was anything but that.

What has emerged, instead, is:

--a vice president fixated on finding ways to debunk a former diplomat's claims that Bush misled the U.S. people in going to war and his suggestion Cheney might have played a role in suppressing contrary intelligence.

--a presidential press secretary kept in the dark on Iraq policy.

--top White House officials meeting daily to discuss the diplomat, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, and sometimes even his CIA-officer wife Valerie Plame.

On the grand jury tapes, Libby also described steps that Cheney took to use parts of a 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, a classified assessment of Iraq's weapons capabilities, to rebut Wilson.

Among those not informed about this Cheney maneuver, according to the Libby tapes, were then-White House chief of staff Andrew H. Card Jr., then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

''What was interesting to me was what appears to be the total involvement of the vice president,'' said Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar who worked in the Eisenhower and Nixon White Houses. ''If he's down to micromanaging news leaks and responses at that level, I found that quite astounding.''

BUT WHEN KO HIGHLIGHTS THIS TRIAL AND THE INFORMATION WITHIN, HE'S CALLED A LIAR AND DISTORTING THE NEWS.AND THE OLBYHATERS GO "YEAH, YEAH,YEAH."

This Bush administration and the news coming out of this trial is a sad, sordid example on how we need people like Chris Matthews, KO and Joe Scarborough( and the good people in the press) to enlighten the masses on this horrible period in our country.

''What was interesting to me was what appears to be the total involvement of the vice president,'' said Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar who worked in the Eisenhower and Nixon White Houses. ''If he's down to micromanaging news leaks and responses at that level, I found that quite astounding.''

It isn't any mystery that Dick Cheney is the one running this country, not George Bush.
He was the ringleader of the false premises that led us into this Iraq War fiasco.
His political ambitions from the early 90's have come to fruition, much to the detriment of our country and Iraq and much to the delight of the only people profiting from this mess: Halliburton and Bechtal.

Woody -

The word you're searching for is "rogue" but you're forgiven for trying to sound smart and coming up liberal. Also, this administration hasn't "created" the border mess, it simply hasn't done anything to rectify it (big difference here in reality-land). This is one of the many reasons your Idiot Party was given a chance to do something other than bitch and complain last November. I for one am glad they (you) finally have to prove how pathetic they are when in power again, so we can go another decade and a half without you.

Bob,
"Otherwise Bush wouldn't be looking to save $100 billion from Medicare and Medicaid and limit which children are eligible for the Children's Health Insurance Program, in order to come up with the $141 billion that is to be allocated for the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan- not to mention the total $623 billion for defense FOR ONLY 12 MONTHS."

Who cares!

Bob, you're an idiot. Thanks for constantly proving it.

The highlight of the Grammies last night ( for me) was when the great Joan Baez introduced the Dixie Chicks and sang their Grammy AWard winning song:"Not Going to Make Nice"
They certainly DID NOT back down from the bullsh-t the right wing gave these ladies.
The large % of the American people are on these lovely ladies side !
3 cheers for the Dixie Chicks !

Keithy Boy, please do the world and especially those who know you personally a favor: imbibe poison.

Nice feedback Matt. So typical of the near comatose Olby haters.
They have nothing of merit to say, ever.

Great posts, Bob.

Too real and too close to home for them.

Facts actually repel these Olby-haters. Matt is probably the prime example; whereas, Benson just runs like a rabbit when he knows I'm posting...

Brick and Puke are probably the same person...

Yes Bob, even as many on this blog keep calling the Libby trial a non-story. Yet I can understand why they might not want it publicized if thay are a Bush, or a Cheney apologist (as is the entirety of Fox 'News' Channel).

They also miss these points:

1) - Libby is the first SITTING white House Official to actually be indicted in 130 years, yet this is somehow a 'non-story'.

2) - It tends to highlight the misplaced priorities of the Bush Administration in June of 2003, when they were FAR more obsessed with defending their rational for starting the war than they were in actually fighting the war. EXAMPLE; That is the same time period in which they sent in David Kay along 1200 "weapons experts' to find those mythical "weapons of mass destruction", even as they were being warned of the growing insurgency building strength in Iraq.

Yes, Neocons, these are the people you keep defending, and one day, you are going to feel like a complete idiot for having done so, although it is a mystery why you have not seen the light already.

why do u care what my name,
If you Jihad loving Lefties hate Bush, wait till Guilliani becomes President. He's not gonna put up with your giys crap. He'll throw the FBI at you Commies and shut down the NY Times and have a plunjer stuffed up Olbermann's ass! Can't wait for a real Fascist!

I for one am glad they (you) finally have to prove how pathetic they are when in power again, so we can go another decade and a half without you.

Posted by: Matt at February 12, 2007 12:01 PM

Since the bulk of the American people are dead set against this war and even say they think the Democrats can fight the war on terror better, see how the war hawks republican presidential candidates do in the election in 08'
America will elect the candidate that will get us out of this war.
AND IT AIN'T GOIN' TO BE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.THEY ARE ALL FOR BUSH'S WAR.
MATT CONTINUES TO MAKE A FOOL OF HIMSELF AND THINKS HE'S ON THE HIGH MORAL GROUND.

Woogy,
Just wait till Guilliani, then you'kll see a real Fascist! He'll put you Commies and Jihadis in your place!

why do u care what my name,
Like a true Lefty, scared of Gulliani. He'll crush Hillary. What America wants is a strong man. Someone that'll shut you losers up and put the Muslims in their place! Go Rudy the American Pinochet!

The perfect rebuttal to any of Red Wolf's post's is to just reread them and let them stand alone for the world to laugh at!

Red Wolf,

I fear that Guilliani will be too busy cheating on whoever his current wife is...

Red Wolf, the true patriot, favors fascism.

Yes, please keep posting Red Wolf.You dig your own grave.

Hah what grave! The grave that will be dugged are when Rudy's Death squads will come after you Commies and Muslims!

PS: Guilani is the most socially liberal GOP candidate out there.

Matt:

Who exactly is 'Woody'? That is spelled with a 'G', not a 'W', since you are into pointing simple spelling errors on a blog, something that is widely considered petty, as well as nothing but a crutch used by those who have nothing substantial to say themselves.

You call 'Bob' an 'idiot', yet you NEVER post anything of substance yourself. All you do is take snipes at "the intelligence" of others, which only proves you are nothing but a hypocrite yourself, as someone keeps pointing out. (a very dumb hypocrite at that!)

"PS: Guilani is the most socially liberal GOP candidate out there."

Who cares about Abortion or Gay marraige with the Islamic threat and their Leftists media allies. Honestly who cares! Our civilization is in danger. We need a strong man to liquidate our domestic enemies and crush Iran/Al-Qaeda/Hizballah!

HOW 9/11 PHONY, GIULIANI, WILL HELP THE DEMOCRATS WIN IN 08'

Rudy Giuliani's presidential candidacy is the best thing that will happen for the Democratic candidates this year. He's going to lose. Yes, I know he's the Republican frontrunner in some polls, but Howard Dean was the frontrunner for a while in the last contested presidential primary season.

On his way to losing, Giuliani is going to divert a lot of money away from the inevitable Republican nominee, John McCain.
Giuliani's losing campaign is also going to pull a lot of pro-choice, independent voters away from McCain in the general election. McCain has had very strong appeal among those voters for years because, among other things, they don't quite realize how hard-core his anti-abortion position actually is. When Republican primary voters discover how liberal Giuliani has been on social issues--along with how many wives he's had and how many gay men he has lived with while waiting for a divorce to come through--they are going to abandon him faster than Democratic voters fled from Howard Dean. But the only way they are going to "discover" Giuliani's record on social issues is for John McCain to tell them about it. McCain's campaign has the most vicious attackers in politics today, including Bush campaign graduates and the Swift Boat attack team. They are going to make Giuliani look very bad to conservative voters, but, in the process, they are going to make McCain look bad to moderates he will need in the general election.

The attacks on Giuliani are also going to make the Democratic nominee look better. Only the New York press (which includes the national press) thinks being The Mayor is adequate preparation for being president. McCain's attacks on Giuliani will include double underlining Giuliani's lack of experience in federal government. Giuliani's experience with the biggest items in the federal budget--Social Security, Medicare, and Defense--is nonexistent. The McCain campaign will do the Democrats the favor of showing that the current Republican frontrunner has less relevant governing experience than Senators Obama and Clinton, who will owe McCain a thank-you note.

No mayor of New York has been promoted by voters to higher office in my lifetime. Big city mayors don't play well with voters outside their city anymore. Just ask John Lindsay, Ed Koch, Kevin White, Tom Bradley, Dick Riordon. Rudy Giuliani is no exception.

why do u care what my name,
You just proved my point. The Left is praying Guilliani doesn't win. You guys know what he's gonna do. Underestimate him at your own peril. He'll wipe the floor clean with Hillary and neutarlizes the Left on Social Issues. Dream Lefty, I know he's the one the puts fear into the hearts of the Left and their Iranian allies!

f--- fat ass Keith Olberman and f--- the person that made him( that would be his fat ass mother. I would love to run into this fat ass on the street one day.

Olbermann is just va paid hack. He does whatever Hillary and George Soros tell him to do. Plus He's pro-Iran. He's not to be taken seriously.

It's obvious Red Wolf can't/won't read the above article. It details nicely how Giuliani can't win the republican nomination for president.
And it doesn't even dwell on the 3 wives factor that will turn off the Christian right.

And Wolfie, if you're going to support a losing candidate, at leat learn to spell his name !

I thought that Bush was pro-Iran. Isn't he selling military parts to them? He's an awful lot like his daddy, selling weapons to terrorists, eh?...

Mr Chicken Blogger,
I know plent of Evangelicals that are prepared to vote for him. I love how the Leftist/Pro-Jihad media is scared of Rudy. Just for that more people will vote for to piss you guys off!

Giuliani is going to win the GOP nomination just like the GOP was going to hold the House and Senate in Nov.
Just like the war in Iraq has been a glorious success.
Just like no one in the vice president's office would be indicted ...
Just like......

Olbyperv is clearly in "desperation" mode. He has made it very obvious on countless occasions that he will say anything that will give the anti-american leftists reason to chear, simply hoping to save his job. How long before he resorts to chanting "death to america?"

No name,
Once again the ignorance of the Left.It was a Pentagon screw up selling to Iran the F-14 parts. Hey how about when Clinton gave China military technology. Care to discuss that?

I know plent of Evangelicals that are prepared to vote for him.
Posted by: Red Wolf at February 12, 2007 12:33 PM

Sure you do, Red Wolf.
There are millions in this country and I'm sure you know most of them.
His stance on gay marriage, abortion and his 3 wives will make in DOA with the Christian right. Only a fool, like yourself, wouldn't know that !

Red Wolf,

Since Iran is the only major military power that NEEDS F14 parts, we must conclude that you are full of fecal matter, son...

Clinton's dealings with China were investigated. Clinton was found to be innocent of any wrong-doing.

Nice try, boy...

As always no name you're just a propagandist. Rudy scares the hell out of the Left and I'm gonna laugh when he takes the Presidency and goes after the Left with the full weight of the FBI and the Militaryt. Just can't wait!

"Clinton's dealings with China were investigated. Clinton was found to be innocent of any wrong-doing."

Oh really, when was this report release? What Clinton allowing Loral to sell components to China that has helped their Missle program? When was Clinto cleared? Lat time I recalled all this got lost during the Lewinsky stupididty which was done by Clinton, on purpose to cover up his dealings with China.

Just take a look at the comments from the anti-Olberamnn crowd and compare them to thosefrom his defenders, and if you're honest, you can only conclude one thing; The comments coming from pro- Olbermann crown are on a FAR, FAR higher intellectual plain than what is coming from the Olby haters.

ALl you people seem capable of doing is parot stupid remarks like "fat ass Olbermann", "Iran Lover", "f--- the person that made him", "death squads will come after you commies and Muslems", "imbibe poisen", "idiot party", "commie pinko", and so on, and oh yeah; if all else fails - point out the inevitible occasional spelling mistake.

Red Wolf, nice to see you made bail.
Welcome back.

why do u care what my name,
Your just scared of Rudy. Keep deluding yourself. Sorry but your beloved Chaiwoman Hillary Stalin isn't gonna beat Rudy. Neither is that senile idiot McCain. Rudy is the future. Hillary and McCain is the past. So delude your self. Like all Stalinists only you know the truth. I'm outta here now and my last words to you Pro-Jihad Commies is your gonna get yours!

Red Wolf said: "you Pro-jihad Commies is gonna get yours!"

Should we take this comment as proof that Olbarmann is mainly hated by brain dead fascists?"

Red Wolf,

Republican Christopher Cox headed the congressional committee. I can answer other questions just as soon as you learn to formulate an English sentence, son...

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/02/11/no-evidence-of-a-saddam-osama/

ABC report in 1999 making a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden.

Sharon is still desperately trying to find something, anything to make a point for her loser party.
So sad you resort to 8 year old news that's been debunked time and time again.
Try again.

WASHINGTON - Skeptical congressional Democrats said Sunday the Bush administration should move cautiously before accusing Iran of fomenting a campaign of violence against U.S. troops in

What the hell kind of world do these people think we live in. Its them old washed-up hippies and their damn “Like to buy the world a Coke” BS, flowers and peace.

ITS NOT THAT WAY IN THE REAL WORLD!

The world is BLACK and WHITE…GOOD and EVIL. No amount of stuff’in flowers up the guns, if we would just love them they’ll love us back, or any other rehashed 60’s B.S.will work.

The enemy is the enemy. The enemy is Islam RADICAL or NOT. Do these democrats realize that everything the Muslim religion believes in is in direct contradiction to everything they believe in? Yet I wonder sometimes whose side they are on.

Sharon is a rather pathetic figure, especially w/o Grammie and Cecilia rooting her dismissed republican talking points on.

Pssssttttt:
Even the diehard republicans have given up on that Saddam /Bin Laden connection.

Brian :The world is BLACK and WHITE…GOOD and EVIL.

That was George Bush's philosophy also.Look how well attacking Iraq has worked for him and the USA.

Brian never learns from his GOP president's mistakes.
That's why we voted the Congress out of office , Brian.

First off anybody on the Republican side is pretty D.O.A. on the far right side.

Just like anybody on the Democrat side is D.O.A. on the far left side.

Now for the free thinking sect. They look at Rudy and SEE what he did in New York. How he cleaned up Times Square. How he cleaned up 42nd street. How he lowered crime to the point where people could walk the streets with their walkmans and run in the parks without a boatload of nuts jumping out of the bush.

Instead of Companies running out of the city. They stayed and more came in.

He threw that palastine guy out of the met one night.

No doubt you folks on the far left will be screaming to the folks on the far right what Rudy's stance on certain issues are.

Remember! Rudy could offset some of this talk if he gets the nomination by making a conservative like Santorum or Newt his Vice-President.

How many peole from the far right would vote for Rudy if they knew they were one heartbeat away from...

Either way you folks on the far left don't matter because you won't vote for Rudy either way

So the question will be, how many nuts on the far right will listen to nuts from the far left.

One thing to remember kids, In the last pole taken with Rudy against if it would be Hillary, Rudy delivers New York state and New Jersey. So that could off set any loss that might happen in the south. Could Rudy pull it off?

A lot of people said that Rudy couldn't clean up New York City, first time he ran HE LOST! To General Dinkins.

It's a long way till Nov. 2008 anything can happen, But I think only a fool would bet against Rudy at this point.

And if you do bet against him, I got a 3 card monte game starting up in five minutes.

Brian,

We know whose side you are on. You are on the side of the party that armed Iran and Iraq in the first place; in fact, the Republicans STILL arm Iran and were responsible for much of the high explosives that the insurgents used against our boys. Your party is the one that left our boys without bullet-proof vests for three years...

You are anti-American...oh wait! You've got a yellow magnet on your car. Sorry, son...you rock!

Sharon:

That was weak! Please stay away from the right wing web sites and try to open your eyes.

One thing that astonishes me is the outright refusal of many on the right to let go of their dogged defense of this administration, despite fact, after fact, after fact that they have done almost everything incompetently, or worse!

EVEN if you thought he was doing the right thing back in 2003, isn't about time that you recognize that this administrattion has let EVERYBODY down, and that includes you!

I think woogy's brain is woozy.

Yes I do believe I could add up Woogy's, Bushkill Falls, people who don't or cant' spell their names etc. I.Q.'s and go down to the local Bowling Alley and beat that score.

And have a few adult beverages in me doing it.

I think woogy's brain is woozy.

Yes I do believe I could add up Woogy's, Bushkill Falls, people who don't or can't spell their names etc. I.Q.'s and go down to the local Bowling Alley and beat that score.

And have a few adult beverages in me doing it.

Wow, someone (Brian) actually said it; "the world is BLACK and WHITE...GOOD and EVIL"

I've been saying many on the right believes simpleton stuff like this, but now one of them actually comes right out and says it.

THANKS!

Puck:

Your writing is much like a comic character's would be as well (hardly the Shakepearean version).

Why don't you EVER make an intelligent point? (oh, I forget, it's the comic character thing, isn't it?).

Puke,

Too bad your IQ doesn't allow you to figure out how to post only once, son...

And then there's Puckish.
Always there to boist up the right wing and the republicans.
The fact that he ignores 75% of the American people and keeps talking his nonsense is a scream !

Plus Puck doesn't know sh-t about Giuliani:

Last Tuesday, Giuliani's campaign suffered a possible setback when a New York newspaper revealed what it described as his secret campaign strategy.

The Daily News obtained a 140-page campaign plan outlining Giuliani's budgets, schedules, and fund-raising plans. The paper printed excerpts of the dossier yesterday stating that an anonymous source obtained it after it was left behind on a campaign trip.

Advisers to Giuliani said the document was stolen by someone who had infiltrated his campaign. Advisers also downplayed the significance of the document.

The main revelations are details about Giuliani's goal to raise one hundred million dollars and a listing of his political and personal liabilities.

The document reportedly says Giuliani might "drop out" of the race as a result of insurmountable personal and political concerns.

These concerns include his private-sector business dealings; his association with disgraced former police commissioner Bernard Kerik, his two ex-wives and his position on "social issues," including his pro-choice stance on abortion.

The leaked document has emerged only days after some 9/11 family members reported to the New York Post that Giuliani's presidential exploratory committee had begun discussions with them about backing him if he runs for president. Giuliani gained national attention for his handling of the recovery effort after the September 11th attacks. But other 9/11 family members have since vowed to reveal the truth of what they say are the failures of his performance during the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks.

One of the big failures of Giulani's reign was not notifying the police and firemen at Ground Zero just how deadly the noxious gasses were.
Why there were thousands of construction workers, as well as these first responders, working there without respirators and with no plan to get them respirators, and why they were exposed to these toxins and why we now have thousands of them who have respiratory and even cancer signs right now, severe respiratory difficulties, why that was allowed ?

You know, Giuliani, we quote the head of -- his own commissioner from the Department of Design and Construction, who ran the ground zero cleanup. He said he dealt with Giuliani every day, that Giuliani only asked him one question: how much debris did you remove yesterday? Are we on schedule? Are we ahead of schedule? All he cared about, even though the fires were still burning and spewing toxins in the air, all he cared about was the public relations. I mean, obviously, it's six years later. Nothing’s been built there. What was the rush? The public relations question of making it look like they were efficiently cleaning up the site. And the consequences have been dire.

Rudy Giuliani was a public relations whore during the 9/11 tragedy !
And he's not fit to be president !

So glad I made your day! (Posted ?)

By the way, it's sixteen days to go on somebody's contract.

Puck, Sharon, Red wolf, Matt,Benson:
Not one cogent point made today.
Not one.

It's a tough job propping up a failed administration and they're not even doing a mediocre job doing that!! !

By the way, it's sixteen days to go on somebody's contract.

Posted by: puck at February 12, 2007 1:49 PM

When KO is still on the air, 17 days from now, and one year from now, you going to come back and eat crow ?

No one at this site looks more foolish day in and day out( except maybe Red Wolf) than Puck !
Thanks for the comedy routine Puck.

Now back to your card game at 1:57 PM on an afternoon workday.

Rudy Giuliani is an evil man. He want after criminals and had the audacity to kick out that great humanist Arafat out of an opera. How dare he. The Christian Right will sit home and let Hillary Clinton win without a fight. Rudy is too liberal for Republicans because he's Pro-Abortion. It doesn't matter he cut taxes in NY and is anti-Terror. That doesn't count. As a Progressive I hope he runs so Us Democrats can win and we'll have peace with Al-Qaeda!

Red Wolf knows his points are moot on Giuliani so he takes my name as a defense mechanism.

Hey Red Wolf, I can't wait until the 9/11 family members come out and reveal Rudy's failures on 9/11 and after.

At least Red Wolf learned how to spell his boy's name.
Progress is being made with Red Wolf.

Why there were thousands of construction workers, as well as these first responders, working there without respirators and with no plan to get them respirators, and why they were exposed to these toxins and why we now have thousands of them who have respiratory and even cancer signs right now, severe respiratory difficulties, why that was allowed ?

Since Red Wolf is our Rudy expert, maybe he can answer this question !

Keith Olbermann speaks nothing but the truth. He never lies or smear. He's a great man that should be given a Nobel Peac Prize!

Hillary Clinton is a great woman! She will make peace with with Al-Qaeda and all will be swell in the world. She cares about the average person like me and she speaks from the heart. She should be made President for Life!

Bob: You know that when your name starts getting hijacked again with ridiculous comments attached, it can only mean one thing - Red Wolf has finally managed to post bail!

Little Red wolf has been thoroughly disgraced today so all he has left is to abandon his name and use others names for his enertainment.

Pathetic, really !

Notice, Wolfie can't answer my question about his boy .

Bushkill Falls: Ditto to you as well with my comments about Red Wolf.

Once afgain the Klan Kulture is on doispaly. Although Rudy is very liberal on Social issues, he's nothing more than a Klansman. He commited attrocities against peace loving people and had allowe the Klan police to abuse innocents.
St. Hillary will win and rescue us from the Klan!

Ha ha you Liberal losers. I'm not Red Wolf. I'm just saying what us progressives really think.
Go Hillary we love her!
She's our God!

I worship the ground Hillary walks on. She's a living saint who cares about losers like me!

You Righwing Fascists can't comprehend the truth Olbermann speaks!

Hillary is God and Olbermann is her Pope. They are the path to salvation!

Uh "name jacker" (Red Wolf): You don't have a clue what "progressives really think" because you're far to stupid to understand, thats why you're not a progressive!

Bush is evil! He wants war with the most progressive regime in humanity. Iran, a peace loving nation that is a model to all humanity!

Progressives believe that Bush and the Christian Right are evil. Anybody who's their enemy is good,Like Hugo Chavez, Castro, Vladimir Putin, Al-Qaeda and Iran. Great men who love the common folks.
Also the Pope is evil and the Ayatollahs good!
That is the Progressive's world view!

Sorry to disappoint I'm Red Wolf, but if you want to call me that. Go ahead. I've read his posts. Although a little extreme he makes valid points. More so than you Olby-Hillary worshippers!

Progressives believe that Bush and the Christian Right are evil. Anybody who's their enemy is good,Like Hugo Chavez, Castro, Vladimir Putin, Al-Qaeda and Iran. Great men who love the common folks.
Also the Pope is evil and the Ayatollahs good!
That is the Progressive's world view!

Sorry to disappoint I'm not Red Wolf, but if you want to call me that. Go ahead. I've read his posts. Although a little extreme he makes valid points. More so than you Olby-Hillary worshippers!

Name Jacker, er Red Wolf: You claim you're not one and the same, but it's damned funny how both the name jacker and Red Wolf both reappeared at exactly the same time, after a refreshing absence of both.

Keithy Boy, please do the world and especially those who know you personally a favor: imbibe poison.

Like I said "name jacker", you're FAR too stupid to understand how a "progressive really thinks", as your pathetic latest post proves once again.

I was on yesterday and the day before. Sorry I'm not that guy or girl Red Wolf. I just expose what the Left is programmed to think! I've been jacking The Buffalo and many other names. It's fun. I say what you guys really think. Hence that's why people believe it's one of you!

Any way we can abort all liberals at their current stage? They're such proponents of abortoin but none want to "enlist" or abort themselves (which would make certainly the internet much more interesting). If you're only allowed to support the troops by enlisting, can we have it both ways?

"progressives believe that Bush and the Christian right are evil".

Actually most 'progressives' don't believe that Bush is 'evil', just ignorant, unethical, misguided, and incompetent, however, I do know some members of the "Christian Right" who actually DO believe Bush is 'evil'.

Matt: Does your stupidity and obsession with 'liberals' have no end?

Actually 'name jacker', you don't fool a soul, unless they are equally stupid right wing followers like yourself programmed to believe that they actually know how "progressives think".

Obsession? Checked your screen name lately? LOL

Us Progressives also beleive that the Iranian Ayatollahs are great peace loving Humanitarians.
That President of Iran is such a swell fellow. Iran is beacon of light onto the world!
Zarqawi is also the new Che. A heroic freedom fighter who fought for the rights of the oppress!

Obsession? Checked your screen name lately? LOL

The best liberal was never born.

I didn't know Progressives evem think. I thought they just recieve talking emails from Moveon.Org and Hillary Clinton.

Only someone with a brain as vacant as a liberal could fall hook, line and stinker for a Clinton, easily the most deplorable and disgraceful excuse for a human being the United States has ever called president.

Matt,
Don't take Olbermann serious. He's just a Hack for Soros and Clinton.He's free advertisment.

Name Jacker, trust your instincts; no such thing as a liberal who CAN think. To be a liberal - much less admit it - is by definition to live a myopic life of stupidity.

Name Jacker - Oh, I don't take Olbersmurf seriously (only a fool would). In fact, I take great pride in having spit in his face in December 1995 at a sports bar called Jocks N Jills in Atlanta. He ran like a sobbing bitch when I threatened to smack him all over the place in front of his lap poodle Dan Patrick. True story.

There goes 'Matt' again with his crazed obsession with 'liberals'. Then. like everyone lots of other idiots on this page who can't really defend Bush, he changes the subject to Bill Clinton.

Duh Matt; Bill Clintons been out of office for over 6 years now, and to be sure, he didn't invade Iraq, which is about about the stupidest thing ANY president has EVER done.

Olbermann is just jealous of me. Unlike him I have differing views and actually go into hurricanes and war zones! He's just jealous of a real journalist!

Yes Matt,
Hillary is a saint and we will make here president for life. She has core beliefs and cares about average people like me!

If Bill Clinton ever actually DID anything instead of sharing your idiot liberal feelings he'd have invaded Iraq, but he left all the dirty work (well, not all of it) to his successor.

See, it was never about serving his country for Bill Clinton; it was about a legacy. And we have one for him: Pathetic and Weak. And 9/11. Great thanks, Bill.

Uh, you'd have to take an express elevator UP just to get to "average" you lemming liberal fool.

How dare you insult St. Bill. He's the greatest man who ever lived! He cares about us like Hillary does!

Nobody is allowed to criticize Keith Olbermann, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Democrats or Iran! It's against the rules! Only Bush and Republicans are at fault!

Patient presents today with complaints of major depression and generalised anxiety disorder. States today that source of his malady is his feelings of being "inauthentic" Asked to expand upon that, pt. commented that he often resorts to exaggeration, distortion, and unprovoked attacks on others with no foundational basis on his daily television show. Pt. queried as why he engages in this behaviour. Pt. avers that it stems from feelings of deep insecurity related to the wide gap between he and his competitor, Mr. O'Reilley, in ratings. Pt. displayed great chagrin in discussing this subject and accused Mr. O'Reilly of supporting Nazis and child molestors. I asked him why he believes that and he kept insisting that Mr. Brock at Media Matters told him so it must be true, he didn't have to have proof. I suggested to Mr. Olbermann that such thinking could very well be based on false assumtions if he was simply relying on what he was told. At this point, pt. became irrational and enraged, claiming I had no idea of the "evil" of Mr. O'Reilly and that he (the pt.) should be drawing top ratings and a rich contract because he is the "dispenser of truth".

Informed pt. that I discerned indications of detachment from reality and illusions of grandeur. Pt. fled the office at this point, threatening to name me "worst person in the world" and expressing need for long soak in the tub.

I was dead wrong in using the word mercenary to describe the American soldier today. These men and women are not fighting for money with little regard for the nation. The situation might be much worse than that: Evidently, far too many in uniform believe that they are the one true nation. They hide behind the constitution and the flag and then spew an anti-Democrat, anti-liberal, anti-journalism, anti-dissent, and anti-citizen message that reflects a certain contempt for the American people

NBC hires top notch a--holes. The non-apology/apology is a true sign of what a jerk Arkin is. "Sorry for calling you mercenaries, you are just a bunch idiots for what you believe." With all of this what does Olbermann do?? Thats right he attacks O'Reilly for disagreeing with Arkin.

AT least Bill Arkin says publicly what Olbersmurf, Chris Matthews, Clintonians and DAvid Scheister say in private.

The ultimate compliment you can pay a liberal is to tell them their anti-American "dissent" is admirable. It's not, but they like to believe it.

The ultimate compliment you can pay a liberal is to tell them their anti-American "dissent" is admirable. It's not, but they like to believe it.

Your right. Dissent is not admirable. that is why you stop dissenting with the 70% of people who think the president is a incompetant. Stop it! you should be shot you un-american puke! Dissent is evil. Please fall in line Immediately!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !

Mon Feb 12, 11:07 AM ET

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Thunderous explosions and dense smoke swirled through central Baghdad on Monday when three car bombs ripped apart a crowded marketplace in a Shiite neighborhood, setting off secondary explosions and killing at least 71 people, police said. A suicide bombing nearby killed at least nine.

The blasts shattered the city center on the first anniversary, according to the Muslim lunar calendar, of the bombing last year of the important Shiite Golden Dome shrine in Samarra, north of the capital. That attack by al-Qaida in
Iraq set off the sectarian bloodletting that has turned Baghdad and much of central Iraq into a battleground.

The suicide bomber detonated an explosives-filled vest in a crowd near a popular falafel restaurant in the Bab al-Sharqi area, not far from Shorja, police said, adding that 19 people also were wounded in that blast.

About a half-hour later, as the government called for a short period of commemoration for last year's shrine attack, three parked car bombs exploded within seconds of each other, targeting two buildings about 200 yards apart. One of the cars was parked near the entrance to a parking garage under one of the buildings.

Shops and stalls were obliterated and smoke blackened the area, obscuring what had been a sunny day as it rose hundreds of feet into the air above the market near the east bank of the Tigris River.

Ambulances and pickup trucks rushed many of the nearly 165 wounded to nearby al-Kindi hospital in the largely Shiite neighborhood, which has been hit by a series of deadly bombings this year. The sectarian killings have continued despite a U.S. and Iraqi new operation aimed at stopping the violence set off by the Feb. 22 bombing of the Samarra mosque.

It is amazing that there are still idiots like Matt still around who have not used a brain cell in 6 years.
It's the liberals "dissenting" that's the problem.

How could these nimrods not be affected by what has happened?

Bushkill Falls, Pa,
This is Olbermann watch, not Iraq watch! Besides the more killings in Iraq the better it is for the Left. So your probably cellebrating and drinking some wine!

There's only one reason internet liberals can't be reasoned with or spoken to: They're insane.

Hey Matt:

I see that "Rudy Ramirez" now considers you his 'hero' (see his 3:34 PM post). How wonderful for you that you have followers right here who think and write at such a high mental level.

Yes, this mental giant says "thank you Matt", and as you can see from the stellar articulation of his ideas, he is almost up to your level of sophistication of thought.

Yes Matt, like it or not, we are known by who we identify ourselves with, AND who identifies themselves with us, so read Rudy's post carefully, and you will see yourself.

Thomas Jefferson said, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

Godamnn Commie pinko liberal!

Ladies and Gentlemen it's the Matt and Rudy show !
Where dissent is being a traitor, and Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11.
Just call it the Punch and Judy show !

Liberals are to reality what kryptonite was to Superman.

Bushkill Falls, Pa
So your happy at new attacks your allies Al-Qaeda have done in Iraq? Every bad news brings joy to the Left. How pathetic. I want us out of Iraq so we don't have to hear you guys whine any more. You'll probably bitch about something else.

Woogy and all the Olbersmurf stooges:

Mix Kool Aid with Water. Stir. Add Cyanide. Stir. Imbibe. Die.

Damnit Bushkills! Quit thinking for yourself. Dissent is bad. You must mindlessly follow the the wishes of our dear leader George W Bush.

LOL Just for fun, nowhere did I say dissent was evil, but it's so predictable and fun to see liberals hyperventilate at their own delusions.

As stated previously, every liberal on here is the same person (Keithy boy himself or his gimp-bitch).

And I cannot stress enough: Three dead liberals at the bottom of the ocean is called "A Good Start".

Here's how much MSNBC thinks of Keith's fanatical cult-members. They set up a special message board for him on MSNBC.com which they dubbed, "Countdown Nation". For the last several days, said message board has announced it was closed and no new messages were allowed to be posted. Now all 300 plus pages of ranting, raving liberal screeds and their favorite conspiracy theories du jour have all been wiped away, erased, vanished. Now if we could just get them to do away with Olbermann.......

Mix Kool Aid with Water. Stir. Add Cyanide. Stir. Imbibe. Die.

Dissent is bad. you must stop the dissent. Fall in line!

Sorry liberals, Democrats, and hard core righties.
I will be the 44th President of the United States. Really.

It's not called "thinking for yourself" when your every idea is sent to you from moveon.org or spoon fed to you by Hysterical Psycho Pedophiles like Keith Olbermann.

Liberal = Lemming

Thinking for yourself = Conservative

Great thanks.

Actually since i am far to liberal to get through the Republican primary, where the jesus freaks will go apesh-t about my beleifs on a women's right to choose. I will become the president of the hair club for men. I wil make dick Cheny the VP

"It's not called "thinking for yourself" when your every idea is sent to you from moveon.org or spoon fed to you by Hysterical Psycho Pedophiles like Keith Olbermann. "

And Thomas Jefferson. Don't forget him.

Liberal = Lemming

Thinking for yourself = Conservative

HAHAHAHA Yip, boy the insurgency sure is in its last throes. This time for sure!

oops forgot to claim ownership for smacking matt

Matt,
What's sick is these people led by Olbermann get happy at every death in Iraq. They pop bottles and cheer!

What is really sick is sending people to die in a useless war. That is sick. being so bad at your job that you lead 3000 people to their deaths then blame people for having the audacity to point it out. sick

Yeah and you Lefties celebrate every death in Iraq. You guys cheer every bombing since it furthers your political agenda. Be honest. Without Iraq, what do you have to talk about?
Nothing!

Yeah and you Lefties celebrate every death in Iraq. You guys cheer every bombing since it furthers your political agenda. Be honest. Without Iraq, what do you have to talk about?
Nothing!

The only thing i will cheer about is when dumbass bush is out of office so we can get the troops home. Unlike unpatriotic people klike you i don't americans troops to continue dying. you do.

What do I hate/ i hate our troops, I want to send as many as possible in harms way. everyone with any millitary expertise thinks it is a bad idea, but that is ok. Nothing wrong with sending troops in harms way on a bad idea. i kind of like it.

"everyone with any millitary expertise thinks it is a bad idea,"

You exagerating again pitiful Democrat?
Everyone? pity the fool

4:50,
You like that American troops die. It furthers your agenda.

Hey Matt, you patriot you!

You didn't comment on your new alliance with Rudy Ramirez. I would be real proud of that if I were you. After all, I haven't heard ole Rudy endorse too many other posters on this blog.

Yep, just think about it; You and Rudy slogging ahead, fighting that lonely battle against 'liberals' and and all things 'liberalism'.

It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it.

You like that they die. it furthers your bloodlust.

Aww, poor little conservatives. is your war not going well? Maybe if you listend to us that told you it was a mistake you wouldn't be in such a mess. Now you are responsible for the death of 3000 Americans. murders

Ratings matter: Headline News has topped MSNBC in primetime five times this year in the 25-54 demo -- including twice last week.

HLN has also beaten MSNBC two times in prime in total viewers.

In the same time period, Nancy Grace has beaten Keith Olbermann four times in total viewers and five times in the demo...

Matt just remember that a prophet is reveled in his own country & take sustainance in that it has always meant a lot to me when people attack me cause I believe in whats right for the US of America & freedom & principals your a bright lad & people who mock you arent cause its easy to cast rocks & mock people but its hard to stand up for what right which is why Pres Bush is a great leader & will go down next to the other George that is Washington & way ahead of FD Roosevelt when the history books are closed & put away. Those people casting rocks better be careful cause when they pick them up their just may be a brood of vipers under them so do not be despirited.

Keith's Owner: If you meant to say that reality is to the Stalinist left what kryptonite is to Superman, amen.
Matt: Being liberal is not necessarily bad, but the supposed liberals posting here-the so-called progressives (aka Stalinists)-now THEY are a problem. And they're not so much lemmings as Borg drones; George Soros is their queen.

This "mercenary" PC dust-up that's going on around Arkin and Olbermann is very interesting. The word was innaccurate and insulting to our real troops - albeit an absolutely accurate referrent to the privatized security forces that abound in Iraq.

But the interesting aspect is that while the righties are swooning and fainting over the misuse of language, all along they have been treating the troops AS mercenaries. How often have you heard a rightie say "They knew it was dangerous; they volunteered to go over there" when faced with a leftie calling to bring the troops home. This is not the sense of responsibility that citizens should feel for their fellows in uniform, but the callous abdication of responsiblity with which the debauched inhabitants of a dying republic dismiss the plight of their mercenaries.

Even though you say Olbermann lies, there's no way that could be true-- it don't matter no how, as long as he is singing our tune-- that makes him a man of courage. Olbermann doesn't need to have guests who disagree with him on his show-- they would just lie and since our guy Keith tells the truth, why do you need right wingers who just lie? Those guys on Fox might have people on who disagree with them but that doesn't count because Hannity and O'Reilly are too aggressive when they debate liberals and don't let them win so its not fair

No Rudy, you got it all wrong buddy:

- People 'attack' you because you write like a third grader.
- People 'attack' you because you think like a third grader.
- ARE you a third grader?
- People attack you because you write REALLY stupid things, like "Bush is a great leader". Only a total moron believes that anymore.
- People 'attack you because you say Americans who speak out are 'traitors'. No Rudy, YOU are the traitor if you actually believe speaking out for what you believe is traitorous. Speaking out IS what America is all about, and once dissent is discouraged or crushed, we cease to be the great country we are. When free speech is discouraged, we become no better than than the cruel, brainwashed enemies we are fighting.

Get it now, Rudy?

Just like I said see what I mean.

Lefty Winger post of 5:43 was obviously a shill, because no matter what you people choose to believe about Olbermann watchers, they are not that simple minded.

lefty winger: which part of your name implies that you are stupid? Or stupid. Or flat-out spineless. Keith Olbermann is not half the great things that you have stated. Too bad.

NBC launched its "Countdown Nation"
It was such an abomination
It lasted a day
Then it went away
Erased for eternal damnation

I would love to see the terrorists slice off some liberal heads. But we all know that liberals would never fight back to defend their country or their own lives. They are cowards plain and simple. I would personally laugh for hours watching radical leftie heards rolling down the hill like dog turds.

"I would love to see the terrorists slice off some liberal heads. But we all know that liberals would never fight back to defend their country or their own lives. They are cowards plain and simple. I would personally laugh for hours watching radical leftie heards rolling down the hill like dog turds"

Said the man who was to big a pussy to enlist.

Wanna see a photo of your President Bush defacing an American flag? In his defense, I'm sure he didn't know anything about the US Code about our flag, but then again, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff he doesn't know about our fine country.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/06/did-george-bush-deface-american-flags.html

Just FYI, but here's what the US Code says about what Bush reportedly did:

TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

§ 8. Respect for flag

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

That annonymous motherf---er sounds like a terrorist to me. Most radical righties are just a twitch away from bombing a federal building or mailing anthrax or some such thing, but none of them have the guts it would take to slice of my head.

And just to show how much of a commie/lib/terror-symp propaganda tool "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" really is, it recently received a de facto "seal of approval" from an out-and-out Communist rag, the "People's Weekly World." This from James Hirsen, "Left Coast Report" columnist for NewsMax.com, which he noted was in connection with Olby's dissing of "24." PWW's party line on that show mirrors exactly what Keith has been saying (while, as past reviews of prior "Countdown" editions noted, completely ignoring other shows, such as "NCIS," which had similar such plots in their storylines but weren't on Fox - which is now part-owned by the Saudis, B.T.W.). Of course, the MoveOn.org operatives and other George Soros grantees who worship Olbermouth as a living God can't be bothered with such inconvenient truths. . . .

Bush is a good friends with the Saudis BTW

wasn't thomas jeffrson a commie too? he was all for dissent.

It should be noted that there are conservative voices who've taken Bush to task for his (and his family's) Saudi ties, as well. Not to mention Rep. Dana Rohrabacher who vowed to have him impeached if any of the border guards now in prison for a tussle with a Mexican drug dealer, is killed while in the slammer. There's a lot about Bush's policies that are far from "conservative," in other words (more like "liberal Rockefeller RINO"). Again, that subtlety, that nuance, matters not in the least to Olbermouth and his fellow "hate Bush" MSM'ers.

I just love the simple-minded knee-jerk mindset of the Right: If you disagree with me or anyone else I agree with, then you must agree with everyone else I disagree with.

For Example:

I like Bush, I don't Like Communism.

Therefor, if you don't like Bush, You must like communism.

Helps them sleep better at night knowing the world is so Black and White

Sir Loin of Beef: Just kneel down mofo and I'll saw off yer pinhead with a rusty drywall blade.

Calling Olbermann's show a commie/lib/terror-symp propaganda tool" because some left wing rag agrees with some of the things he says is not any different than calling Fox 'News' a tool of the American Nazi Party because they also agree on some things.

Chicken Blogger: You forgot to Add "Allah Willing"

Keep Drinking: If you go up the page a ways, you will find where one of them (Brian) actually SAID everything is BLACK or WHITE, EVIL and GOOD.

"Sir Loin of Beef: Just kneel down mofo and I'll saw off yer pinhead with a rusty drywall blade."

Said the man too big a pussy to join the troops.

Keep Drinking: If you go up the page a ways, you will find where one of them (Brian) actually SAID everything is BLACK or WHITE, EVIL and GOOD.

Posted by: Woogy at February 12, 2007 6:43 PM

Well, at least you have to give him credit for admitting his myopia.

Here's a cut and paste that I dedicate to Brian and his minions reminding him that what appears to be White can actually be Black (or possibly just sh-t Brown.

I bet this guy voted for Bush.

California Pastor Stole the Whole Church
By GARANCE BURKE, Associated Press Writer

3 hours ago

RIPON, Calif. - For nearly a decade, members of Ripon's First Congregational Church bared their souls to Pastor Randall Radic. But clearly it didn't work both ways. There were certain things he wasn't telling them.

That became obvious a year ago, when Radic pleaded guilty to betraying his flock and secretly selling the church and its rectory out from under them. He used the money to buy himself a brand-new black BMW and a laptop _ exploits he later chronicled in a cheeky, almost gleeful blog about his double life as a sinner.

"We didn't know anything until we got a call from the bank that he had bought a BMW," said David Prater, who led the church board during Radic's tenure. "He drove that car right down Main Street."

Irate parishioners had been rooting for a long prison term of up to 16 months at his sentencing, set for Thursday.

But Radic's lawyer said last week that the 54-year-old former pastor, who spent six months in jail awaiting trial, will not have to serve any more time behind bars because he agreed to testify about the alleged murder confession of a jailmate.

In the meantime, ownership of some of the church property is still tied up in lawsuits.

"Most of the congregation, being a good Christian congregation, has forgiven him. But there are still things happening to the church that we can't understand," said Judy Edwards, who took over as pastor last year. "If the parsonage was stolen, why isn't it being returned?"

Radic was a respected figure in Ripon, population 14,000, a quiet town of 1940s-era homes and tree-lined streets just off California's Highway 99, where 18-wheelers thunder down the San Joaquin Valley.

"The church was basically senior citizens, people in their 80s, 90s and close to 100," Prater said. "He was their favorite son."

Radic's pulpit was in a wooden, 90-year-old chapel, and he lived in a church-owned house a few blocks away.

"This is a town with a lot of faith," said Navid Fardanesh, president of the Ripon Chamber of Commerce. "People had a lot of trust in him, and unfortunately he took advantage of the situation."

First, Radic faked documents giving him possession of the parsonage, and used the property to take out about $200,000 in personal loans, prosecutors said. Then he forged papers saying he had the power to sell the church, and sold it to a couple for $525,000.

After investigators began inquiring about the $102,000 BMW, Radic fled to Denver. Prosecutors coaxed him back, and he was arrested in 2005.

It was in jail that Radic met Roy Gerald Smith, a sex offender awaiting trial in the 2005 slaying of a woman in a death penalty case. In Radic's blog on a now-defunct Internet site, the former pastor suggested that as he gained Smith's confidence, Smith confessed.

Radic soon struck a deal: He would plead guilty to embezzlement and be released from prison. And prosecutors would drop nine other felony charges in exchange for Radic's testimony.

Since Radic was not Smith's pastor, the inmate's incriminating statements are not protected by the usual confidentiality rules involving members of the clergy, Radic's lawyer Michael Babitzke said.

As he awaited sentencing from the comfort of home, Radic started blogging about his personal life. He tried to solicit a literary agent for a tell-all book he called "SNITCH" and spelled out the details of how he fleeced his flock.

Describing the proposed memoir as "a kind of new Bible," Radic wrote that "true-crime shall have a container in which to wallow, a boat which, when it embarks, will traverse the major oceans. Like an esoteric prayer, a Catholic confession, a Gregorian chant or a murderer's insouciance, it will hum a tune inside one's bones."

Radic, who still lives in Ripon, did not find a buyer for "SNITCH," but he did sign a deal last month to publish a book called "The Sound of Meat," billed as a "(fairly) truthful" memoir.

"So, you really want to know which camp I belong to ... right? Saint or ... Sinner?" he wrote on his Web page, which features grainy shots of a nearly naked woman and a portrait of Radic smoking and drinking. "The truth really is a lot more complicated. It leads down the winding paths of the human heart and challenges anyone who follows to defy it."

The church got its title back last year, and parishioners have been able to worship there throughout the ordeal. But the church is still out tens of thousands of dollars lost in transaction fees, and has yet to recover title to the parsonage, which is owned by a real estate investor who bought it from Radic. The new pastor, Edwards, lives in a motor home.

Radic still faces a number of lawsuits _ by the couple who bought the church, the title company that insured loans on the parsonage, the real estate investor and the former notary public who signed off on Radic's fake deed for the parsonage.

But criminal proceedings against him appear likely to end when he is sentenced.

"He's very remorseful and regretful about the situation," his lawyer said. "I think he made some egregious mistakes. But in an imperfect world ... people behave imperfectly."

some liberals just astound me. how did the administration lie to get us in iraq? over 30 intelligence agencies came to the president and said saddam has stockpiles of wmds. in the wake of 9/11, and with evidence from over 30 intelligence agencies from more then a dozen countries, 14 UN resolutions,and with clinton support via the iraq liberation act of 1998, in which clinton made it US law to change the regime of hussein and disarm iraq, the president did what he should have done, removed saddam and disarmed his nation. perhaps senator clinton should launch a probe into the intelligence failures of her husband, since he created that act based on intelligence that told him saddam was a threat and possessed wmds. bush would not have had legal authority to attack iraq if not for the iraq liberation act of 1998. thanks bill clinton.

now, the man who wrote the book on counter insurgency, general petraues is in iraq with the forces he says he needs. so who should we listen to? who knows more about insurgency, barack hussein or david patraeus? hillary or patraeus? the only reason democrats oppose the surge is because any success in iraq for bush hurts them in the 2008 election. thats it, thats the reason, their own selfish ambition ahead of our national interests. btw, nice diplomacy with our austrailian allies mr. obama, some of that great democratic rebuilding of alliances in the works already.

bush is the only one not acting political, the only one doing what is right. general giap of the viet kong has said that after the tet offensive he didnt have the forces to win, that it would take years to rebuild the viet kong to combat the americans. his only hope were the protests in the streets of america, that if they could just hold on, america would be itself. once again our weak liberal underbelly has been exposed, but this time, george bush will not flee, he will not run, and no former first lady, no former trial lawyer, and no former muslim will impose their defeatist will on this nation. they want nothing more then to pin a military loss on republicans and use it to further their socialist agenda. this will backfire, because the liberals will soon realize that the blue dogs that put them in power will reject these progressive reforms, and side with the moderate republicans, either mccain or giuliani.

the terrorists greatest weapon is not in the form of a mushroom cloud, it is in the form of the american liberal.

Great post, MD.

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BEIJING (AP) -- A tentative agreement Tuesday on initial steps toward North Korea's nuclear disarmament could set the stage for the first concrete progress after more than three years of talks marked by delays, deadlock and the communist country's first nuclear test explosion.

The U.S. envoy to the talks, Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill, emerged in the early morning hours of Tuesday looking weary after a marathon 16-hour negotiating session and announced that a tentative deal had been struck at the latest round of six-nation talks on the North's nuclear program.

The draft agreement contained commitments on disarmament and energy assistance along with "initial actions" to be taken by certain deadlines, Hill said. Working groups will be set up, hopefully in a month, laying out a framework for dealing with regional tensions, he added.

He declined to give further details of the draft.

The agreement could herald the first step toward disarmament since the talks began in 2003. The process reached its lowest point in October when North Korea conducted its first nuclear test explosion, alarming the world and triggering U.N. sanctions.

In the last few days, the talks had appeared to be on the verge of foundering and envoys made clear that their frustration was increasing and their patience growing thin. The current round was to conclude on Monday but as they progressed toward a deal, negotiators extended it late into the night and then into the early hours of Tuesday.

Hill said the draft agreement still must be reviewed by the home governments of the six countries at the talks, but he was upbeat about it. He said he was in "constant communication" with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

"We feel it's an excellent draft, I don't think we're the problem," he said.

North Korea did not immediately make any public comment, but South Korea's envoy Chun Yung-woo said he believed the proposal would be acceptable to Pyongyang.

Chun said the five other countries agreed to evenly share the energy aid outlined under the deal.

However, Japan and Russia were more noncommittal. The Japanese envoy, Kenichiro Sasae, said it was "too early to tell" whether Tokyo was satisfied. And Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Losyukov said there were "many questions regarding details," Russia's Itar-Tass news agency reported.

Hill said the parties to the talks will meet again later Tuesday.

In September 2005, North Korea was promised energy aid and security guarantees in exchange for a pledge to abandon its nuclear programs. But talks on implementing that agreement snarled on other issues and that plan went nowhere.

Hill has repeatedly said he hoped a resolution would help improve stability in a region filled with bitter historical disputes. The two Koreas remain technically at war since their 1950-53 conflict ended in a cease-fire that has never been replaced by a peace treaty.

"We're trying to do more than just do denuclearization for energy," Hill said. "We're trying to address some of the underlying problems."

Though he did not provide specifics, North Korea has demanded improved relations with the United States. Japan and North Korea remain fiercely antagonistic in part because of North Korea's acknowledged but unresolved abductions of Japanese citizens.

The current talks began Thursday on a promising note after the United States and North Korea held an unusual meeting last month in Germany and signaled a willingness to compromise.

But negotiations quickly became mired on the issue of how much energy aid the impoverished and isolated communist country would get as an inducement for initial steps toward disarmament.

"It's always 3 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards, and it's always fourth and one. Then you make a first down and do 3 more yards," Hill said early Tuesday, using a football metaphor. "It's painful."

During the days of arduous negotiations, he said "everybody has had to make some changes to narrow the differences."

Some delegates at the talks - which also include China, Russia and South Korea - had called North Korea's demands for energy excessive.

South Korean and Japanese media reports gave varying accounts of how much energy North Korea was demanding, including up to 2 million kilowatts of electricity or 2 million tons of heavy fuel oil.

Chinese envoy Wu Dawei told a visiting Japanese lawmaker that North Korea had agreed to shut down its main nuclear reactor and submit a list of its atomic facilities. But the size of the energy aid Pyongyang would get in return was still undecided, the lawmaker, Fukushiro Nukaga, told reporters Monday.

Under a 1994 U.S.-North Korea disarmament agreement, the North was to receive 500,000 tons of fuel oil a year before construction was completed of two nuclear reactors that would be able to generate 2 million kilowatts of electricity.

That deal fell apart in late 2002 when the U.S. accused the North of conducting a secret uranium enrichment program, sparking the latest nuclear crisis.

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Wrong again MD:

You people obviously continue to believe what you want to believe.

The terrorist best friend is the American Neocon, who answered their prayers when they succeeded in getting the US to invade Iraq, and then again when they conducted the aftermath with criminal incompetence.

Facts can be spun, but they can't be changed.

"the terrorists greatest weapon is not in the form of a mushroom cloud, it is in the form of the american liberal."

How dare you, sir. You come and all but ACCUSE liberals of being the GREATEST WEAPON FOR THE ENEMY.

You, sir, are a f---ING TWIT!

"you sir, are a f---ING TWIT"

What you say is true, but you are playing into the Neocon's hands with reactions like that. They are TRYING to pull your chain and reactions like that are their reward.

The truth is the Neocons are the ones who are Anti- American, AND they have also been the Terrorist's best friends (see my post above).

thank god our parents and grandparents democrats weren't as spineless as today's liberal. can you imagine what would have happened to this country if FDR had flinched at 3,000 casualties? olbermann touts that bush "killed" more americans in iraq then died on 9/11, but i ask you, how many died at pearl harbor, and how many in the retaliation for that attack. FDR sent 450,000 americans to their doom, against a german nation that never attacked the US. was he wrong? truman ordered the nuclear destruction of 2 civilian cities. was he wrong? would they have been praised if they were republicans? 3,000 dead, killed by islamic radicals, who share the same twisted ideology of the men who knocked down the twin towers, and liberals want to flee.

and if you doubt that liberals are tools of the enemy, dont take my word for it, simply read the words of iran's supreme leader following the 06 midterms, as he described "a great victory for the iranian nation". way to go lefties.

now if any liberal would like to answer the question that i posed( who knows how to handle iraq better, david patraeus or barrack hussein obama or hillary clinton?), please respond.

liberals want to flee iraq because it suits their selfish political agenda. these so called humanitarians dont seem to care about what happened when we left vietnam, 2 million south vietnamese and 3 million cambodians were killed. they dont seem to care about rwhawanda. and they dont seem to care that every expert on the planet says leaving iraq would be worse then all of the above.

answer me lefties, who knows better, patraeus or obama?

It is bad to respond to critics of the war. Don't you neocons know you are supposed to stay silent when Babs, Susie and Timmy Boy Sarandon, Sean Penn-head and the collective Hollywood intelligensia weigh in and offer their deep thoughts on the war? Responding to their criticism is calling them unpatriotic and that is NOT ALLOWED! If you don't believe me, just wait and Olby will give you a good talking to during one of his Speshul Komments!!!

"The truth is the Neocons are the ones who are Anti- American, AND they have also been the Terrorist's best friends "

taliban, in power under clinton, out of power under bush, saddam in power under clinton, out of power under bush, khadafi armed under clinton, abaddoned wmds under bush, north korea armed under clinton despite clinton giving them millions of tax payer dollars, now disarming under bush. the power of tyrants and terrorists has been greatly diminished by this president. you're welcome

MD:

You keep referring to 'liberals', but invading Iraq was NEVER a conservative idea. There was nothing EVER 'conservative' about such a lame brained idea!

You also spewed: "Liberals want to flee Iraq because it suits their selfish political agenda". NO, you moron...we want to leave Iraq because we don't want to see another 3000 Americans killed and God knows how many more mained...for NOTHING! This is far too important for politics.

You don't have a freaking CLUE what is going to happen in Iraq if we leave, nor do you have a clue what will happen if we stay, no matter how much you THINK you know. You were wrong to believe going in was a good idea, and you are probably just as wrong now. It's pretty certain we're going to end up with a Shiite dominated state that is anything but a 'democracy'.

As for Vietnam, I am a Vietnam era military veteran myself, and I say you have your facts and figures wrong. Vietnam was another war we should never have started, but I was naive enough to believe in it at the time. We left because we HAD to leave. Military moral was shot and the highly motivated Ho Chi Minh led enemy would have fought forever, if necessary. The later 'success' of the far more murderous khmer Rouge in Cambodia had little to nothing to do with us 'abandoning' South Vietnam.

As for who knows more...Obama or Patraeus, I'll go with Obama any day, although it can certainly be argued that maybe we SHOULD have had someone like Patraeus leading the war strategy up until now.

And finally 'MD', 'liberal' or 'conservative' has abosolutely NOTHING to do with opposition to or being in favor of this war....and it never did!

"In order to analyze the import of what Herr Olbermann said..."

Confuscious say it no be wise to identify one by interject insulting names into an article with serious accusation.

MD logic again:

"The power of tyrants and terrorists have been greatly dimished by this president"

No it hasn't! There you go again with your anti-American Neocon logic again.

We have considerably LESS influence in the world than we had before this moronic IRAQ invasion. We were actually on the right track until we took this wierd, moronic turn into Iraq, a country that didn't attack or even threaten us. Countries such as Iran were actually afraid of us back then. Now they see us as a paper tiger.

Bush is literally the laughing stock of the entire world now, although he is little bit like cornered bear....you don't know how much more damage he's going to do before finally being coralled.

Mike,

So true. ca. 20,000 Al Qeada operatives in 2003/ an estimated 50,000 today - not to mention a government-sanctioned safe zone for the organization in the territory of our ally Pakistan. Heroin production in Afghanistan is higher than its ever been, and the Taliban is back up and running. Pakistan is more unstable than it was in 2001, with an almost unanimous hatred for the US reported by its people - the same for Saudi Arabia.

Now the belligerent actions of our dickhead administration theaten to radicalize the amazingly moderate and pro-American population of Iran.

Where did the self righteous Neocon 'MD' go?

I guess he just wanted to preach a little, but not actually debate anything!

"We have considerably LESS influence in the world than we had before this moronic IRAQ invasion. We were actually on the right track until we took this wierd, moronic turn into Iraq, a country that didn't attack or even threaten us. Countries such as Iran were actually afraid of us back then. Now they see us as a paper tiger."

in what way do we have less of anything. how could you even measure that. take a look at so called allies france and britain, take a look at how they are overrun my islamic facists in their own nation. the same jihadists who praise the 9/11 attackers are builder a super mosque in downtown london, all with the blessing of the liberals in power. iran afraid? when? when they overthrew our embassy? when they began building nuclear reactors? when exactly did they fear us? when they saw bill clinton cower to bin laden and refuse to respond to the bombing of uss cole? did that send fear through their spines. liberals today are the same who didnt want to stop hitler in the 30's, but rather wait until he destroys a few million lives before acting. 50,00 al queada? i think you need to look again, there is a difference between al queada sympothizers and 20,000 trained terrorist, bread in training camps under the support of friendly gov'ts and huge financial backing. that doesnt exist anymore. al queada has been reduced from a sophisticated para-military organization with millions of dollars and training bases to a collection of rogues, fighting with rifles from the back of pick up trucks.

the same liberals who say it was a mistake to stop saddam from killing his own people want us to take unilatteral action to stop the sudan from killing its own people in darfur. why is a life in darfur more important to the left then the life an iraqi?

maybe the UN could help, because their mighty resolutions sure have slown down iran, and they sure have disarmed hezbollah, and they sure have set the israeli soldiers free.

look yourselves in the mirror, and ask if bush was a democrat would you oppose him? of course not. FDR 450,000 deaths on his hands, fighting germany, even though germany never attacked us, and posed no threat to us. by the liberal logic, FDR was the biggest mass murderer in american history, followed by truman, with his nuclear holocaust of hiroshima and nagasaki and the deaths of another 54,000 americans in korea, yet another nation that didnt attack us.

btw, did kosovo attack us? Panama? Grenada? your defeatism is the only hope the insurgents have.

and anyone who says they trust barrack hussein obama more then lt. general david patraeus phd. on matters of war has no businees commenting, only a fool would trust a freshman senator with zero experience more then one of the most gifted minds in our military. what a joke.

bush a laughing stock? i think you mean the sorry democratic field for president. austrailia and other allies are already disgusted with the options. as an iranian defense minister said " the only thing standing in our way is george bush, if he breaks, no one will stand against us ever again."

i am not a neo con. i am a pro choice, pro gun control, pro gay rights former democrat who is sick of the moore/sheehan/pelosi wing. these are not fdr democrats, they are not kennedy democrats, they are socialists, who want the government to tell us what doctors to see, what schools we can and cannot attend. who want to tax my inheritance even though it is money that has already been taxed. who want to do nothing about the collapsing social security system, except how capitalism isnt the answer. sick of democrats who cheer hugo chavez, and embrace imans and their conferance who call us opressors and occupiers. sick of liberals who call our soldiers mercs instead of heros, who spit at them as penn and robbins laugh it up, as hanoi jane rants and raves. sick of a party who supports the single most unqualified man in american history to run for president, barrack hussein. sick of hypocrites who have somehow say they support the troops when they support nothing they fight and die for. the troops spoke out, cbs news let the soldiers say how they felt about this non binding resolution, how anyone who supports doesnt support them. poll the troops democrats, ask how many of them want to leave without the job being done. they never asked nancy pelosi or michael moore to speak for them.

non binding resolution. that sums up the democrats very well. non binding. do nothing. no plan. no effect. no change. non freakin binding.

either cut off the funds or just shut up.

MD:

You're painting a lot of 'liberals' with that same 'liberal brush. It doesn't quite work that way buddy. No, most of us are NOT clammoring to take unilateral action in the Darfur, no matter what right wing radio keeps saying.

I'm afraid your WWII analogies are hopelessly inadequate. I could give you a few WWII analogies myself, but I don't think you like the ones I choose, so lets don't go there. If you insist on use a war analogy, stick with Vietam...it's the only one that comes close.

Grenade, Panama...lets just say Reagan and Bush 1 chose their wars a little better than this latest idiot. Kosovo.... I believe that was a humanitarian UN action, not an invasion. However, in the unlikely event any of those little actions had turned into a fiasco, there would have been hell to pay as well.

"If Bush had been a democrat, would I have opposed him"? YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I WOULD HAVE!!!! I VOTED for Bush in 2000...you know, back when he said he didn't believe in projecting US power abroad, and he didn't believe in nation building...the first in a series of many lies! No, I wasn't a democrat until this fool came along, nor am I really the 'liberal' you keep claiming I am. I'm just anti - war, and once again, that has NOTHING to do with being 'liberal' or 'conservative'.

s far as what the president of Australia just said, I really don't give a damn what he says, any more than I care what the president of France has to say. I will say that the president of France was RIGHT when he advised us not to go into Iraq, no matter how much some misguided Americans still love to hate him!

Yes MD...Bush ..has become the laughing stock of the world, whether you like it or not, and Bush is also probably the most incompetent president to ever occupy the White House.

"Cut off the funds or shut up"...I can't cut off the funds, so I'll just keep right on speaking out thank you, until America once again stands for what America is supposed to stand for!

Mike:

I'm afraid your WWII analogies are hopelessly inadequate. True, Bush didnt send 450,000 drafted american boys to their doom, good call. he also didnt launch a nuclear holocaust, right you are. he didnt preside over the death of 1.4 million german women and childen, another good call.

I VOTED for Bush in 2000...you know, back when he said he didn't believe in projecting US power abroad, and he didn't believe in nation building...the first in a series of many lies! he didn't lie, the world changed, thats what people like you cant get through your thick skulls. 9/11 changed the rules, changed the world, bush will not let this country get attacked again, and he has faced unheard of criticism and yet presses on. for what? what does he gain personally from pressing on. NOTHING. he is doing the right thing no matter the cost to he legacy in the present, no matter what pundits or defeatists say. he will not take the clintonian approach of watching your embassies burn with no action, of watching your battle ship get blown up with no response, to sit and do nothing when 66 americans are taken hostage. the liberal approach has been tried, many times, in dealing with jihadists, and it has failed.

I'm just anti - war, and once again, that has NOTHING to do with being 'liberal' or 'conservative'. no, you are a coward, who wants to run and hide, who wants to feed the ambitions of hussein obama even if it means the genocide of an entire race.

as far as what the president of Australia just said, I really don't give a damn what he says, any more than I care what the president of France has to say. but you said our influence in the world is lessened, why would you care about our influence if you dont care what other world leaders think. good to see that great democrat diplomacy at work, bashes one of our strongest allies.

Yes MD...Bush ..has become the laughing stock of the world. my president is feared by the jihadists, while your party is praised by them, celebrations in the streets of iran should tell you something about the democratic party. when liberal politicians rhetoric matches nearly identically with that of al queada and iran, something is wrong, and that something is people like you, jane fonda, michael moore, and cindy sheehan.

America once again stands for what America is supposed to stand for! freedom, liberation, democracy. 50 million people from iraq ro afghanistan will one day live in democracy because of george w. bush, unless of coarse, barrack hussein on behalf of his muslim brothers, retreats.

MD:

Was I seeing things or did you just call me a "coward who wants to run and hide"?.

Excuse me buddy....are YOU in the military? Are you a contractor risking his neck in Iraq. If not, who the hell are YOU to call anyone a 'coward', much less someone like me who actually DID serve my country in the military during a time of war. I don't "run and hide" from anyone, and never have in my life.

Are you sitting there on your comfy living room couch calling people 'cowards' just because they don't agree with your neoconish worldview about whats best for America. Thats pretty pathetic you know!

You keep right on cheering on your incompetent president while I hold on tight and hope this idiot doesn't succeed in igniting the entire Middle East in a firestorm before we can get rid of him, but your so called bravado has nothing to do with honor.

You sir, are a false patriot!

You sir, are a false patriot!

said the man who has bashed his commander and chief from dawn til dusk. he isn't my president, he is our president. and acting as if he is more evil or insidious then the jihadists we fight is what is wrong with this country, and the democratic party. how a society of intelligent people, who pride themselves on being so elite and so smart, could so gravely mistake the enemy, and cast the president of the undited states as the enemy, is beyond reason. it is the very thing islamic extremists hoped for, the same thing the viet kong hoped for, america destroying itself from the inside out. so while the jihadists run the ho chi minh playbook step by step, the left, and defeatists like you keep piling on the president, dancing to the beat exactly as bin laden hoped you would.

We keep hearing this same speech about how those of us who have never supported this war from day one are somehow the 'enemy'...but ALMOST always from people who have never served themselves, and don't have a clue what war, or serving your country is REALLY about. It's nothing short of amazing.

One day I will understand the twisted psychology of those who stand by a roque president through mistake, after dumb decision, after mistake, after after dumb decision, after mistake...........yet it somehow becomes the fault of those who tried to stop him from making each one, because we might have succeeded if ONLY we had stood behind him more!

Yes, once again, you sir, are a false patriot!

Let me get this right: MD thinks that our involvement in WWII was a mistake, and he excoriates FDR for sending our troops to die in that conflict against an axis of the most powerful and agressive militarist ditatorships the world had ever seen. Our enemies in that war had either attacked us, or decalred war against us, and their designs of world domination were explicit and viable.

In contrast, he applauds Bush's war, which he characterizs as a struggle against "a collection of rogues, fighting with rifles from the back of pick up trucks."

We need five-ten years and hundreds of thousands of troops to battle such an enemy? Al Qeada atacked us; Iraq did not. Saddam is dead; Osama is free. We have not engaged Al Qeada, yet MD claims remarkable levels of success against them.

I'd have to say that MD is a coward and a celebrant of mediocrity and failure to draw the distinctions he does between the wars this country has experienced.

the point i was making, is that the same leftists who call this war a fiasco, a catastrophie because we have lost 3000, ignore the true facts of the history of american warfare, and by any standard you choose, this is a success, but still not complete. FDR lost 450,000 americans in his war in europe, where were the michael moores of the time, why werent they out there enraged that FDR launched a war in europe even though are attackers were japanese. the point is, if you deride bush, but not fdr and truman, you are a hypocrite. islamic radicals are a far greater threat then nazi germany could ever be.

here we are a generation, another mad man is hell bent on getting nuclear weapons, promising to commit genocide against the same race of people, and yet again, much like in the 30's when leftists didnt want to stop hitler early, they dont want to stop iran. they would rather wait until there is a mushroom cloud over tel aviv. they would rather sit back and watch as saddam butchered another 300,000 people, and then his sons after him. the left, who feels american lives are more valuable then people from other nations. this false concern about our soldiers, wanting to get them home, when the vast majority of soldiers and their families support the president.

only democrats could listen to general petreaus say that these resolutions "absolutely 100% undermine and demoralize the troops" and then still unamiously confirm him, only to days later begin to draft resolutions to oppose the mission they confirmed him to fight.

liberals, stop playing 2008 politics with the lives of our troops. the troops dont support the left, and they dont need the left speaking for them.

on the other hand lobe Bill O'reilly. my favorite thing about Bill is that he puts the blame where it should be--on the victim! Bill interviwed Bush once and what I really love about it was what a love fest it was. if they weren't so Anti-homosexual I do beleive might have went ahead and blew the president.

Bush gets a lot of bad press. Sure he has taken the largest surplus and turned into a record deficit. But that don't matter because Conservatives are still good with money. I mean yeah, gas prices have topped 3 dollars during this admin, and we are now in the most distrous war in our history and can't seem to extract are self from the mess and it was a huge waste of money but that's ok. Luckily we won't be paying for it, our kids will.

Also Bush has reallly helped the chinese economy by financing this war with loans from beijeng, which is really nice of them. Some people might complain and bitch that 9-11 happned on his watch but unlike carter who had inflation on his it's not Bush's fault. Nothing really is actually that is what liberals don't get. Sure therer was no weapons of mass destruction but how can you hold the leader accountable for such a mistake? and yeah you can that most experts agree the war in iraq has aided the creation of more terroist and he did let bin laden get away and afghanistan is in ruins and the Taliban is resurgent and our troops don't have the proper armour and so on and son. But that is not our president's fault. Plus if you are a CEo the economy is really good right now.