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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    April 6, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - April 6, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • IRAQ WAR INTELLIGENCE: Roger Cressey, MSNBC terrorism analyst; Dana Milbank, The Washington Post national political reporter and MSNBC political analyst
    • NATIONAL GUARD CALL-UP: Jon Soltz, votevets.org
    • PRES. BUSH'S FOREIGN POLICY: Madeleine Albright, fmr. Secretary of State

    The last opening spiel of the week. Awwwwww. Saddam and Al Qaeda? "They made it up!" The MSNBC banner, next to the station's brand and logo, read: "The Truth Doesn't Stop Cheney". Oralmann bellowed that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion. The US attorney "scandal" [Ding!]. Our current foreign policy, "if you want to call it that". Final season of The Sopranos. And--ooh! ooh!--the "oddball plays of the month", along with "Billo Finally Loses It". We can't contain our excitement.

    Update (RCox): Transcript & Video

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: The US attorney "scandal" [Ding!] again, but first the "deceit" of the Pentagon. Cheney dared to say that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before the invasion (citing Zarkawi). The graphic, with the MSNBC brand and channel, read: "The War on Truth". Roger Cressey, taking a break from his investigative reporting into Tron, was asked if Cheney was out of touch, or was he "a liar"? Cressey had the answer: he's "delusional" and a "Kool-Aid drinker" (TM O'Reilly Factor). Great thanks.

    Next up: Dana Milbank, sans spectacular suit. Olby's interrogation could have been scripted by Think Progress. (Hey, maybe it was...check out the Countdown Staff Writers in the left-hand column.) How can the administration keep making that claim "with a straight face"? How much worse can it get for them? What does this do to Richard McCain? The whirligig of spin finally paused for a break with Great Thanks.

    #4: US attorneys "scandal" [Ding!] again. Four US attorneys top deputies "quit the justice department rather than work for her" (newly-appointed Rachel Paulose). This is what makes OlbermannWatching so rewarding. You've heard Olby; now the truth. It wasn't four US attorneys deputies. It was three. They didn't quit the Justice Department. They're still working as prosecutors. They didn't refuse to work for her. They still do. Hey, other than that, it's a perfectly valid headline. We'll let you count up how many Olbermann lies that comes to.

    Later on, Keitho would change the news by saying they "demoted themselves". Hmm, might that just be a wee bit inconsistent with quitting the justice department rather than working for her? Hmmm? It's not often that Herr Olbermann all but admits to lying within minutes of doing so, but there it is. Guest: Faiz Shakir from Think Progress, and... Hey wait, we were right. Think Progress is scripting The Hour of Spin!

    Shakir was ready to demean Paulose: a "party insider" (no documentation given), and the only two interesting things about her is that she quotes Bible verses and dresses down her underlings. KO suggested that she is incompetent and unprofessional, but oddly neither he nor Shakir said anything about her resume:

    • BA, Univ. Minn. (summa cum laude), Phi Beta Kappa
    • JD, Yale Law School
    • Coker Fellow
    • Editor, Yale Journal of Law & Feminism
    • Law Clerk for Cheif Judge, 8th Cir. Court of Appeals
    • DOJ Honors Program (Trial Attorney - Civil Rights Division (in the Clinton Justice Department)
    • Assistant US Attorney, D.Minn. 1999-02.
    • Private Practice 2002-05 (Dorsey & Whitney in Minneaoplis)
    • Private Practice 2005-06 (Williams & Connelly in DC)
    • Senior Counsel to Dep. AG McNulty for only 2 months prior to appointment as interim US Attorney in Feb. 2006

    My word, why should Olbermoronn cite any of that when his only misogynistic intent is to dishonor and insult the woman? Great thanks.

    #3: Bush's foreign policy, Nancy Pelosi triumphs, and more, chewed over by none other than Madeleine Albright. [The List!] As with all Keitho's blue-dress interviews, his hard-hitting, incisive questioning would make Edward R Murrow proud:

    • As opposed to the knee-jerk doctrines of Bush, doesn't Iran and Syria and Britain contradict that?
    • Isn't the true test of diplomacy leaping from small issues to large ones?
    • What end could it possibly serve for "Mister" Bush to reject diplomacy?
    • Who is most qualified to lead America: Bill Richardson, Hillary, or "someone else"?
    • Would you like to see Gov Richardson in her cabinet?

    Great thanks.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #2: Free PR for The Sopranos (regurgitated reportage from NBC), Keith Richards, Britney Spears. #1: Oddballs of the Month. In the Media Matters Minute, a replay of part of the Geraldo/O'Reilly shoutfest, a quote from some relative of one of the deceased children about immigration vaguely rendered as attack # 175, and a bizarre naming of Geraldo Rivera (a multiple "worst person") as "best" person in the world, presumably because he shouted and pointed his finger at Bill O'Reilly. What brought this on? It's not hard to understand. Rivera looked straight into the eye of someone who disagreed with him, debated an important issue, and allowed both sides of the argument to be heard. Think how poor Keithy, who is too afraid even to talk with someone who disagrees with him, who gets nauseous at the thought, must have some degree of admiration for Geraldo. After all, Geraldo could actually look another person in the eye and dare to expose himself to a point of view different from his own. That is a degree of intellectual courage that will never be known by the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

    Stories Olbermann refuses to report

    Muted mongrels: Where to begin? The Iranian hostage crisis is already off Herr Olbermann's radar. No surprise there, because the last thing he wants to do is upset his pals in Tehran with talk of the treatment they gave the sailors. Not to mention further evidence of their involvement in Iraq. For the second day in a row, Moneymann went out of his way to defend Pelosi, and that means making no mention whatsoever of her dangerous blunders. As long as "Mister" Bush is in office, good economic news will always be spiked on OlbyPlanet. And for the second time, Mr Xanadu's visit to OlbySpin is cancelled.

    Our weekly report on Keith Olbermann's masculinity: over the past week Olbermann has attacked Fox, CNN, and Limbaugh/right-wing pundits eight times; Olby criticisms of MSNBC: zero. Meanwhile, his primary source (Media Matters) criticized MSNBC eleven times. Counting a special bonus point for Olbermann's cowardly refusal to criticize the racist remarks of Don Imus, that makes this week's Olbermann Manhood Quotient: -23 [limp].

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name rocketed to #12,943 at amazon.com, while "Culture Warrior" is #120. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome is #3,776 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #285 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Reliable Thursday ratings have not been published, but take it from us: "Man on Fan" Olbermann lost overwhelmingly, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 5 [ELEVATED]

    Update (RCox): Transcript & Video

    Read the transcript to the Friday show

    Keith Olbermann names Geraldo Rivera "Best Person in the World"


    140 Comments

    J$ is correct yet again - the hostage story is a quiescent canine.

    Another awesome hour of CountDown! Olby is the man..... The clip of Brillo making a total brown puckered a--hole of himself was histerical..... Giraldo "Best Person in The World!

    Countdown's a Fox Network replay
    More footage from Fox every day
    Keith's got time to fill
    Cue Gerlado and Bill
    And show Idol on tape delay

    Absolutely another fantastic edition of Countdown. Get that out to the hall of fame. Stat.

    P.S. Reality has a well known liberal bias.... in bizarro world.

    It was great that Keith played such a huge segment of the O'Reilly-Geraldo argument on a competitors network. Has he decided to boycott all thought? Keith, you are a titanic dumb ass. MSNBC is now home to the 2nd largest amount of Fox footage in the world and it's all thanks to Krazy Keith and his merry band of metro sexual and sexually ambiguous staffers. Hip Hip Hooooray!

    Hey! Bobbing Sucking Cox!

    I DEMAND!! YES!!
    I DEMAND!!

    That you include my petition into your little rolling *.GIF.

    "Please keep alive this open sewer of BUSHWIPERY. IT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF YOU Bush Supporters.
    AND WHATEVER YOU ARE FEEDING TO JOHNNY BU$HWIPE,
    put it in a bottle and SEND IT TO IRAQ, labeled.
    'BUSHWIPE LOVE POTION SMELL OF R.SUCKS.COX'
    "

    (LOL)

    I bet Geraldo will get a kick out of Ulbermahn naming him best person in the world, considering what Geraldo said about him a while back. "Mince meat" I believe Geraldo said he would make out of Ulbermahn. This little stint clearly shows how obsessed loon toon is with O'Reilly. He just sits around all day and night looking for a chance to take a jab (childish as they are) at him. He should rename his show to O'Reilly Watch.

    Thank God for Keith Olbermann. He's the only man between those crazy Christians and people being forced to put Jesus fishs on their car bumpers. It's all in John Dean's book, people!

    Well, it's gonna be another long night of watching the Factor. Dammit, I'm fresh out of lotion and all the beach towels are in the hamper. And why does my house wreak of Michael Musto?!! It's happenning!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!

    Oh, Johnny Bu$hwipe,
    you forgot to break the link embedded into the pic.


    I'll leave it to you Bush Supporters to figure it out.

    (with a little help of olbermannwatch.com)

    Suck my BILLDO, Johnny BU$HWIPE!

    Thank God for Keith Olbermann, if it wasn't for him, George Bush would have every leftist in a concentration camp.

    un-american pat, again, showing the true colors of the loony left. Let 'em shine!

    My man, I was being sarcastic.

    Johnny, you'd better step up. I think that Keith himself, disguised as Average American Patriot, is really taking you to task and is scoring some big time points.

    > you forgot to break the link embedded into the pic.

    ??? I'm supposed to go around BREAKING links? I guess that passes for logic on OlbyPlanet.

    Johnny, I see you found a way to spin my post about 'blinking' to suit your own purposes, just the way you spin your so called show 'recaps' to suit your own purposes every night.

    In your funny little way of thinking, it's perfectly OK for you to misquote KO by turning "did we blink" into "US blinked". Yes Johnny, lets talk about "fundamental honesty" again!

    Of COURSE it's OK you say. It turns a relatively innocent question that could be interpreted many ways into a statement that was never made....and that suits your smear mission perfectly.

    Also, using a hypothetical question about 911 conspiracy suggestions by suggesting it in the form of a question as an analogy for this was fundamentally dishonest of you as well.

    He didn't spin sh-t, moron. Go back and read, Cecelia reposted your post to prove what you said. Next?

    Correction, she posted the transcript to prove you wrong, you said "blinked" wasn't used, it was, lil mikey.

    "Did we blink" doesn't mean "US blinked" - MORON. A question is not a statement - MORON...and I seriously doubt if Johnny Dollar or Cecelia need you to clarify their points for them - MORON!

    lil mikey, debunked, again.

    Yes Jeff....anything you say Jeff. Your definition of 'debunked' is if you SAY it was.

    Sorry MORON, but the FACTS prove otherwise....again!

    G'nite moron...

    Countdown's a Fox Network replay
    More footage from Fox every day
    Keith's got time to fill
    Cue Gerlado and Bill
    And show Idol on tape delay
    Posted by: Katy Turic at April 6, 2007 10:40 PM

    Not some of your best work Katy...

    You actually had a groove going there for awhile, until that stinker...

    debunked-to expose or ridicule it's falseness. Used in a sentenence-lil mikey has been debunked countless times.

    "Rivera looked straight into the eye of someone who disagreed with him, debated an important issue, and allowed both sides of the argument to be heard."

    You call that a debate? That's not a debate. That's a shouting match - a fight.

    "Stop hurting America"
    -John Stewart

    Keith's show was onces again informitive, entertaining, interesting and far better than anything on Fox. Bravo Keith and keep up the good work.

    NOW we have some objectivity on OW in the comments, at least. At the VERY least we don't have Cox and Dollar's closest friends doing whatever they can to agree with their ramblings.

    And what is with Billo's rants about illegals lately and trying to pin whatever he can on illegal immigration reform or whatever the hell they are thinking of doing up on the Hill. Geraldo had it right, and from what I read here, according to your logic, whenever someone that WAS someone else enemy makes a very valid point and OWNS O'Really, the said enemy is supposed to take the side of the OWNED just to hold a grudge. And by the way, no mention of any other network also giving their two cents on this thing.

    No wonder Countdown is in 2nd place (according to a little thing we here in reality like to call the NEILSON MEDIA RATINGS NUMBERS)!!

    You forgot to mention the reason why Olbermann called Cheney a liar!!, the Pentagon report declassified the same day cheny made his comments contradicted his position.
    Also Olbermann did not say 4 attorneys, he said 4 top deputys.

    Olbermann does get things wrong and you do a great service in clarifying, but for the love of God do not lie your self, do not spin the facts to suit your dislike of Keith.

    Thanks for the recap...

    I could not watch Olbermoron last night.

    Looks like he once again, broke no new ground.

    The List is as biased and deplorable as the KO himself.

    It's either the anchor desk or the bathtub for KO...

    Why doesn't he attempt to report from the field?

    Could is be that he's a pussyKeith?

    > Also Olbermann did not say 4 attorneys, he said 4 top deputys.... for the love of God do not lie your self, do not spin the facts to suit your dislike of Keith.

    A lie, eh? Well, FYI, the claim that four "top deputies" quit is just as much of an Olbermann lie as if he said four USAs quit. A top deputy in a USA office is a top-level trial attorney in the USA office. A "top deputy" is NOT an office manager, which is what the fourth person was. When KO said "top deputies" it was clear to me that he was describing four top trial attorneys in the office. THe reason for saying it was "Four" of anything, rather than 3 attorneys and an office manager, was to give the impression that it was four attorneys.

    Olbermahn deliberately used the fuzzy phrase "top deputies" to make people think it was four attorneys when it wasn't. So I think my interpretation, which was not in quotes, is defensible. But here at Olbermann Watch we go the extra mile to do what Keith avoids like the plague: be accurate. So I have amended the post accordingly. It's a change in semantics, but it doesn't change the fact that Olbermahn lied.

    I read that sissy-pants John Edwards refuses to participate in the Fox/CBC Democratic debate. What are you afraid of, John?

    Who really cares about the troops?

    Under this administration, caskets coming back from Iraq have been shipped in the dead of night on ordinary commerical flights with baggage handlers using forklifts to move the caskets.

    The new Democratic Congress changed this insult to our fallen heroes.
    They now are brought back to their families aboard charter jets.They are also flying the dead into smaller regional airports closer to their hometowns, so that they can be met by their families, and in some cases,receive community tributes.And the caskets are being borne from the plane by an honor guard with white gloves.

    "Rivera looked straight into the eye of someone who disagreed with him, debated an important issue, and allowed both sides of the argument to be heard."

    You call that a debate? That's not a debate. That's a shouting match - a fight.

    "Stop hurting America"
    -John Stewart

    Posted by: Sanity Check at April 7, 2007 2:34 AM
    Now, there's some hard news. lmao. Speaking of which, did the deplorable one (Ulbermahn) mention what Geraldo and O'Reilly were DEBATING or did he just focus on meaningless points, as he usually does?

    It's so funny how THE FACTOR calls people "stupid" for reporting on the serious issue of global warming....saying it's a "hoax".
    That's like going into a doctor's office , having him tell you that you have some disease and telling the doctor you know better and that's he's an idiot.
    It's even more funny that this simpleton takes the name of O'Reilly's show and even he has understood the serious problem of global warming.
    In the 2nd report coming forth this year, this time in Brussels , Belgium, it has alerted world leaders by explaining how global warming is changing life on earth.
    The first report in February focused on the cause of global warming and said that scientists are highly confident that it is man made.
    The IPCC, a UNited Nations network of 2,000 scientists , has predicted that as the world gets hotter by degrees, millions of poor people will suffer from hunger,thirst, floods and disease unless drastic action is taken.
    But many Republicans will just brush it off,becuase afterall, it's only poor people, not THEIR type of PEOPLE.
    Actually climate change will affect all regions of the world, with the risk that nearly a third of the earth's species will vanish if global temperatures if global temperatures rise just 3.6 degrees above the average temp in the 1980's-90's.
    But it will be so much smarter to classify all of this as a "hoax" and let it all happen.

    The inuit in the Arctic region are noticing the dead canary in the mines with a drastic shift in their way of life.The Inuit living in some of the world's iciest regions are feeling the effects of global warming. The ice caps where they hunt are thawing earlier every year; polar bears are hunting in unfamiliar places; non-indigenous species are being seen in the Arctic and last summer local inhabitants saw their first wasp on Canada's Baffin Island.
    The signs of upcoming devastation are being noticed thruout the world.
    At the other end of the world, in Antarctica,the warming is 5 times the global average.
    Glaciers that have existed for thousands of years are melting.
    ONly a fool would look at all of the evidence and say ,"No big deal !"
    But it appears we have a few fools among us.( at this site)

    Now, there's some hard news. lmao. Speaking of which, did the deplorable one (Ulbermahn) mention what Geraldo and O'Reilly were DEBATING or did he just focus on meaningless points, as he usually does?
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 12:24 PM


    This tired point keeps resurfacing.There are plenty of shows with DEBATE. You want to see it, go there.
    Keith has every right in the world to have the show he wants.
    And the fact that he has gotten a new contract and his show's audience has signiifcantly increased over the course of a year, shows he's doing something RIGHT.
    Keep doing waht your doing , Keith.
    You ARE getting it right without SHOUTING MATCHES and people being cut off.
    The people who object to his show are just pathetic Bushies who can't stand the bad news.( you know it's true)
    Go to Fox News news station then, where they will jump over hot coals to avoid anything damaging to the Bush Administration.

    More bad news for Bush:

    Monica Goodling, a top aide to Alberto Gonzales has abruptly quit almost two weeks after telling Congress she would not testify about her role in the firings of federal Prosecutors.
    Asserting her 5th Amendment right against self recrimination, Goodling had rejected demands for a private interview with a House commitee investigating the firings of 8 US Attorneys.
    Goodling is at the center of the controversy because, as the bridge between the Justice Dept and White, she may be best suited to explain how deeply Karl Rove and the other members of Bush's political team might have been involved in the firings.Congress also wants her to testify on Gonzales' role in light of his ...ahem...shifting explanations.
    This news story is from the AP.
    If KO reported this news story, you idiots would be calling him biased.
    This is just one of many scandals that has plagued the White House during the past few months.

    More proof the Surge is (not) working :

    A suicide bombing smashed a truck loaded with TNT and toxic chlorine gas into a police checkpoint in Ramadi on Friday killing 27 people- the 9th such attack since Al Qaeda's first known use of a chemical weapon in January.

    More military opposing the war :

    Last month, a career chief master sergeant in the Air Force wrote an opinion piece in the military newspaper Stars and Stripes opposing the war, and a busload of retired veterans and civilian activists toured military bases in the South, hoping to coax more support from active duty soldiers. Over the past month, more than 1,700 soldiers have signed an online Appeal for Redress -- www.appealforredress.org -- a legally sanctioned way for members of the military to oppose the war.

    A couple of underground publications like GI Special at www.militaryproject.org, have sprung up online, and supportive troops have clandestinely dropped hard copies inside military barracks.

    Last week, retired Marine Corps Lt. Col. Andrew Horne, who served in the Persian Gulf two years ago, rebutted President Bush's weekly radio address.

    Said Horne: "The commander-in-chief has failed to properly lead the troops, and previous Congresses didn't ask the tough questions or demand accountability. The result is the mess we are in today."

    Why a Democratic Congress is superior to a GOP Congress :

    WASHINGTON, April 6 — If the Democratic ascendance on Capitol Hill was supposed to usher in dark days for Republicans, it is hard to tell from talking to moderate ones like Mike Ferguson, who represents a suburban district in central New Jersey.

    As the new Democrat-led House rushed to complete its business before adjourning for spring break this week, Representative Ferguson was marveling at the many bills that had been passed in Congress’s first 100 days, including one that would make it easier for unions to organize and another that would increase the minimum wage.

    “Under the Republican majority, those bills would have never gotten to the floor,” he explained before heading back to his district. “Now they have been brought to the floor, and I’ve voted for them.”

    Mr. Ferguson’s enthusiasm captures a peculiar political reality in the Capitol: many Republicans from swing districts in the Northeast are finding that life under Democratic rule has its advantages.

    During the 12 years that Republicans controlled the House, moderate Republicans were the stepchildren of their party, expected to vote with their conservative leadership on crucial issues, even if it meant taking positions that could anger centrist voters back home.

    In fact, the Democrats made some of their deepest inroads last year in the Northeast. A total of 10 Republican incumbents in the House were defeated in four states — New Hampshire, Connecticut, New York and Pennsylvania — where the challengers aggressively tried to tie the incumbents to President Bush and his conservative allies on the Hill.

    Now, with those losses still fresh in their minds, Republican moderates remaining in the House are vowing to pursue their centrist positions more assertively, even if it means endorsing Democratic initiatives.

    Welcome back "Why Do you Care".

    It's refreshing to have cogent posts to add to the other relative few others.

    i don't care what yur name is-your "proof' of the surge not working is sadly lacking. I'm curious, where did you find that "pointless" cut and pasted article?

    The people who object to his show are just pathetic Bushies who can't stand the bad news.( you know it's true)
    Go to Fox News news station then, where they will jump over hot coals to avoid anything damaging to the Bush Administration.

    Posted by: Ain't it the truth at April 7, 2007 12:35 So, what you are saying is people that like Ulbermahn, also, dwell on bad news, as he does, correct?

    Royalking,
    Why Do You Care What My Name is a Jihad supporter. He loves bad news and celebrates every Al-Qaeda attack or death of US soldiers.

    The Joker continues to be a JOKE. He lives his life in fear....of terrorists.

    i don't care what yur name is-your "proof' of the surge not working is sadly lacking. I'm curious, where did you find that "pointless" cut and pasted article?
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 1:40 PM

    It's from the AP...you remember news , don't you?
    I know it's a bitter pill to swallow for loyal Republicans like yourself, but the facts always bum out Republicans.

    RoyalKing is an idiot.That much has been established.
    He sounds like Jeffrey.

    Royalking expects the surge to be successful?
    So you're the one !
    The surge is going to eliminate the civil war in Iraq and make the Iraqis love us.
    Right !!!!
    Royala--hole lives in la la land.

    Royalking expects the surge to be successful?
    So you're the one !
    The surge is going to eliminate the civil war in Iraq and make the Iraqis love us.
    Right !!!!
    Royala--hole lives in la la land.

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:23 PM
    Clearly an enemy defender, are you proud of that fact?

    Times They Are aChanging :

    Focusing in on our Nitwit-in Chiefs speil at Fort Irwin. He somehow managed to use every slogan- "oceans no longer protect...fight them somewhere else ....9-11...9-11...Saddam...9-11...AlQaeda...War on Terror...Global War on Terror... " and on and on and on. But the amazing thing was that those same slogans that used to bring cheers, whistles and applause- yesterday- Nothing. No response from an audience of all troops. Just deadly deafening silence.

    They needed idiots like The Factor, Royalking, Granny and Cee there to be whopping and ahollaring.
    The rest of the sane people know it's all bullsh-t.

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:23 PM
    Clearly an enemy defender, are you proud of that fact?
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 5:26 PM

    This moron still believes that if people are realists and actually observe what is happening in Iraq and aren't afraid to say it, they're "enemy defenders".
    That might have worked in 2003,but but not anymore.
    Most of the American people has seen thru the bullsh-t.
    Royalking, I'm sure was one of the jingoistic flagwavers that bought Bush's lies in 2002, lock stock and barrel.
    Hell, it appears he still hasnt learned a single thing.
    Pity the fool !

    It can't be a coincidence that almost eveything that GW Bus & Cheney have said has been proven to be the exact opposite of the truth-
    e.g. "uniter, not a divider", "patriot act", "clean air act", "bringing back honor & dignity to the office", "no child left behind", "rescuing the social security system", "fiscal responsibility", and so on, and so on, and so on...Not even to mention the Constitution being a "God-Damned piece of paper", and the Geneva Conventions are "quaint".

    It's hilarious that the wingnuts at this site still are "carrying bush's water."...while the rest of the country has already caught on.

    It's hilarious that the wingnuts at this site still are "carrying bush's water."...while the rest of the country has already caught on.


    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:40 PM
    Keep on listening to error America. Are they still on the air? Did al freakshow ever get paid?

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:40 PM
    Keep on listening to error America. Are they still on the air? Did al freakshow ever get paid?
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 5:53 PM

    70% of Americans listen to Air America? Really ?
    Bush's approval ratings are hovering around Nixonian levels and this moron still believes in him.
    How sweet !
    Bush's scandal a week has had no effect on you?
    I ask again...how stupid are you ?

    All you need to do is read a newspaper a few times a week to see Bush's folly and his continuing to prove his "worst president ever" title.
    Royalking must not stray from Fox news.
    He is one uninformed dope.

    Why Do You Care What My Name,
    I'm for leaving Iraq. That way the Sunnis, Shias, Iran, Sudis, Al-Qaeda and Hizb'Allah all kill each other. The best result would be an Islamic civil war. I wouild be cool seeing Hizb'Allah and Al-Qaeda Suicide bombers going at it.
    Also with an increase in Oil Prices up to $100 a barrel, it will force the US to use Alternative energy thus depriving the Islamo-Fascists of money.
    After the Islamic civil war the survivors will be broke and go back to being harmless carpet sellers and goat herders.
    If the end result of the Iraq war is the collapse of Ilsamic civilization then it's worth it.

    "All you need to do is read a newspaper a few times a week to see Bush's folly and his continuing to prove his "worst president ever" title."

    Bush does suck, but Jimmy "The Dhimmi" Carter is worst.
    Double digit inflation and 9-10% unemployment.

    Lefties,
    Admit withdrawing from Iraq is a win win. We leave and the Mslims destroy each other like rabid dogs thus foccusing the Jihadi energy on destroying each other!

    Carter didn't get us in a war that has killed 100's of thousands of people, where there is no end in sight.
    Carter didn't bankrupt America like Bush.
    Carter hasn't let corporations run amok.
    etc. etc.

    Carter didn't bankrupt America like Bush.
    Yes he did with massive unemployment, high taxation and high Inflation.
    Plus Communism was on the march in Latin America and Africa.
    Are you broke?

    "Carter didn't get us in a war that has killed 100's of thousands of people, where there is no end in sight."

    those 100,000 are Muslims so who cares 1000.000's of thousands vs. 7,000 Americans (9/11, Iraq and Afganistan)
    I'll take that!
    If we leave Iraq, even better Millions kill and their civilization collapses!

    They'll be goat herders and Carpet sellers!
    Ha I'll take that!

    I looks like I shut up the Pro-Jihad left.
    They're now rethinking leaving Iraq since it'll mean that their buddies to devour themselves!

    That's why I support Iraq withdrawal. Let them destroy each other!

    "George Bush would have every leftist in a concentration camp."

    And that would be a bad thing????.....hope he
    leaves room for the "nappy headed ones" you
    mess-o- nbc lovers like so much...

    70% of Americans listen to Air America? Really ?
    Bush's approval ratings are hovering around Nixonian levels and this moron still believes in him.
    How sweet !
    Bush's scandal a week has had no effect on you?
    I ask again...how stupid are you ?

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:56 PM
    I wouldn't use a name if I was posting crap like this. 70% listen to error America, can you prove that? Fat chance, not. It's more like 70 people, 6 of them are non paid talking heads. I, also, wouldn't use a name if I was defending the worst president ever, peanut carter. I'll give you credit for that and that only.

    All you need to do is read a newspaper a few times a week to see Bush's folly and his continuing to prove his "worst president ever" title.
    Royalking must not stray from Fox news.
    He is one uninformed dope.

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:59 PM
    Wrong, I listen to Savage while I watch Fox News while I debunk leftists here and on other blogs like the puffington post, etc. Oh, and I listen to Beck, too.

    "George Bush would have every leftist in a concentration camp."

    Sorta like Roosevelt did with the Japs ......i mean
    we are at war and the leftist oppose it.......sounds good to me.

    The 70% who dislike Bush has not resulted in 70% of Americans watching Countdown. Or 70% of Americans listening to Air America. Nor has Bush thrown the first leftist in a "concentration camp"------or Gitmo either for that matter. Any other lies you'd care to tell there Olbyloon?

    U.S. warplanes blasted a militia team firing rocket-propelled grenades Saturday, the second day of heavy fighting in a major offensive to drive Shiite Mahdi Army militiamen out of Diwaniyah, a farm-belt city south of Baghdad.

    North of the capital, in the increasingly dangerous Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba, police reported finding 21 more bodies dumped in the streets, victims of the intense sectarian warfare. All were shot execution-style and many had been tortured. At least 62 bodies have been found in or near the Baqouba since Tuesday.

    Where is all the liberal outrage for this? Torture, no libby outrage? 360 spinmaster is not mentioning this? Wolfie Blitzer damn sure won't mention this. Ulbermahn? Well, that goes w/out saying. They all might mention the US bombing the sh-tty's, but, the sectarian torture's will sure to go unmentioned in the liberal press.


    I wouldn't use a name if I was posting crap like this. 70% listen to error America, can you prove that? Fat chance, not. It's more like 70 people,
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 8:41 PM

    You , of course, didn't understand. I mentioned that 70% of Americans are against Bush and you countered with that they must get their info from "Err America".
    So I countered with 70% listen to Air America?
    You're not too bright !


    You must have no idea that you are in the smallest of minorities in this country with your Savage/Foxnews version of things.

    Another question you didn't answer. The scandal a week in this administration doesn't even make you blink?...and question ANYTHING ?
    or is that why you watch these far right dumbsh-ts? Where you don't have to be bothered with finding out what's really going on, since they like to avoid any negative news of Bush and his policies and distort rreality.
    To continue to be a far right winger with the abyssal failures the GOP and Bush has been is really hardcore ignorance.

    "George Bush would have every leftist in a concentration camp."

    Sorta like Roosevelt did with the Japs ......i mean
    we are at war and the leftist oppose it.......sounds good to me.
    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 9:04 PM

    This is a prime example of the total ignorance in this country. Thank God there are only around 25% of you useless idiots still taking up space here in this country.

    Times They Are aChanging :

    Focusing in on our Nitwit-in Chiefs speil at Fort Irwin. He somehow managed to use every slogan- "oceans no longer protect...fight them somewhere else ....9-11...9-11...Saddam...9-11...AlQaeda...War on Terror...Global War on Terror... " and on and on and on. But the amazing thing was that those same slogans that used to bring cheers, whistles and applause- yesterday- Nothing. No response from an audience of all troops. Just deadly deafening silence.

    They needed idiots like The Factor, Royalking, Granny and Cee there to be whopping and ahollaring.
    The rest of the sane people know it's all bullsh-t.
    Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 7, 2007 5:32 PM

    I GUESS YOU FORGOT THIS PART:

    The president spoke with ease, only briefly referring to his notes. After cheering Bush with a �Hoo-ah!� the audience was quiet until he finished his speech, giving him a standing ovation at the end.

    http://www.vvdailypress.com/onset?id=590&template=article.html

    Poor Sharon...still believing all of Bush's lies.
    The most disgraced president in history, doesn't stir Sharon an iota.
    A plus for blind allegiance.
    and F for critical thinking.

    Critical thinking is a prerequisite for being an informed American.
    To not see through all of these scandals, wars and just plain idiocy and to continue to blindly follow this president is the thinking the "Brown Shirts" coveted.

    Here's an Easter day message for you Christians :

    VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI decried suffering in much of the world in his Easter Sunday message, lamenting that "nothing positive" is happening in Iraq.

    OK...time for the wingnuts to blast the Pope as an "enemy defender"
    TDF.

    Poor Sharon...still believing all of Bush's lies.
    The most disgraced president in history, doesn't stir Sharon an iota.
    A plus for blind allegiance.
    and F for critical thinking.


    Posted by: Bob at April 8, 2007 11:14 AM
    You clear thinker you, booby, you forgot peanut carter, bj clinton was a doozie, as well.

    Another question you didn't answer. The scandal a week in this administration doesn't even make you blink?...and question ANYTHING ?
    or is that why you watch these far right dumbsh-ts? Where you don't have to be bothered with finding out what's really going on, since they like to avoid any negative news of Bush and his policies and distort rreality.
    To continue to be a far right winger with the abyssal failures the GOP and Bush has been is really hardcore ignorance.

    Posted by: at April 8, 2007 10:53 AM
    A scandal a week? Really?

    Posted by: Bob at April 8, 2007 11:14 AM
    You clear thinker you, booby, you forgot peanut carter, bj clinton was a doozie, as well.
    Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 12:06 PM

    Bill Clinton is listed as in the "successful presidents" list by most historians.
    Even O reilly admitted that his presidency was a success.
    Bush on the other hand was listed as THE worst by 78% of hundreds of historians. 2nd worst by the rest.

    Your bias is clearly showing.

    Bob,

    For a Professor, you often can't seem to grasp the point. My comment was to show that What Do You Care related that there was silence. He left out the end of the story. Then, people can form their own conclusions, such as: 1) they actually support the President or 2) they were doing as expected but don't really support the President. The idea here is to present complete information. I am having a flashback of citing to a report that you quoted and then you questioned me for the proof of what I quoted. Who gets the F?

    Happy Easter

    Additionally, Bob, will you give the Pope respect on other issues? If you know anything about my past postings, I stated on more than one occasion that I have reservations about the war because of the position presented by Pope John Paul II (who was Pope at the start of the war.) He never outright condemned it but stated that was should be a last resort.

    I also respect the voice of Pat Buchanan on many issues and he was against the war from the start. My point has always been that now that our country is at war, I want the best outcome. I didn't know much about the Middle East in September of 2002. It is not my job to know it. I didn't hold any sway over the outcome of the decision to go to war. Personal circumstances at the time didn't allow me to research the issue. I never believed that Bush intentionally lied. You may disagree with that. I also questioned the competence of prosecuting the war. You are free to look up the archives. I started posting in the fall sometime.

    It is the hypocrisy of the Democrats that I condemn (as well as Olbermann).

    It is the hypocrisy of the Democrats that I condemn (as well as Olbermann).
    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 12:23 PM

    But not the man responsible for attacking a country that had nothing to do wiht 9/11 , not listening to his generals, not providing proper armor to our troops, the deplorable conditions at Army hospitals etc. etc.

    You blame the democrats.
    But not the Republicans who offered no oversight during the runup to war and the execution of it.

    BTW...yes..you deserve your F.

    Any mirrors in your house ?

    During the administrations propaganda runup to war, people cheered at every mention of Iraq, 9/11 etc. So the point that much of the cheering has been lessened and even on army bases, is a valid point. PS..Bush was talking to soldiers at Fort Irvin. What did you expect them to do ?...Boo?
    Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't.

    Oh, but the Democrats are completely blameless? (I see you are ignoring the defense of my post about the "silence" and the fact that you in an accusatory way said "Where is your proof" when I quoted a report that you cited. Where are your mirrors?)

    It is really sincere for Joe Biden (a presidential candidate) to state that he voted yes on the war issue to enable the President to avoid war?

    It really concerns me that you are a Professor. What kind of comments do you make to your students who don't parrot you? The deplorable conditions at the hospitals have existed for sometime now. Why did a report expose it? Republicans and Democrats share blame, just as they do for most issues. The minority can always throw a monkey wrench into the wheel, no matter who is power.

    Bob,

    Do you really read complete statements?


    HERE IS WHAT I SAID:
    Then, people can form their own conclusions, such as: 1) they actually support the President or 2) they were doing as expected but don't really support the President. The idea here is to present complete information.

    LOOK AT #2.

    The above should read "why did a reporter" expose it?

    Another point you failed to acknowledge is that I agreed the war was poorly prosecuted. I was glad Rumsfeld was fired and should have been long before he was. I never hated Rumsfeld but he was not getting results. If you objectively review the timeline, the bombing of the mosque started a spiral downward. (I believe ... and i can see you getting apopolectic) that there were ups and downs before that).

    I believe that there was an upswing that those who want complete failure saw and that is when the mosque was bombed. It could have been bombed at any point prior to that. It was a calculate decision with very foreseeable results. The terrorists smelled defeat and pulled the trump card.

    No, the democrats DO NOT share equal blame...not with 6 years of a GOP Congress and 3 months of a Democratic Congress.

    I don't think the Democrats are moving fast enough to end this war...but who the hell started this war?Who the hell convinced America Saddam Hussein was a "threat" to America?Who has changed the reasons we are in Iraq at least 5 times ? Who has bungled this war?
    This war 's ownership belongs to George Bush.
    Saying the Democrats have equal blame is totally incorrect..and extremely biased.

    FYI-My views are my views. Why do you think I'd push my views on my students?
    If I held jingoistic right wing philosophy, would you be as concerned?
    I don't think so.
    The facts of our political situation and the failed policies are damning enough, don't you think?
    Informing my students of the FACTS of this war and how it has been handled is not biased .
    I know the right wing HATES facts when it comes to their failed president, but the truth will be told.

    "What kind of comments do you make to your students who don't parrot you?"


    I present facts and then let them draw their own conclusions.


    The deplorable conditions at the hospitals have existed for sometime now. Why did a report expose it? Republicans and Democrats share blame, just as they do for most issues.

    Republicans in Congress KNEW of these deplorable conditions. Some have admitted it. They were "afraid exposing it would not be supporting our troops".
    That old standard line !
    Some democrats HAD spoken up, but nothing was done.

    "The minority can always throw a monkey wrench into the wheel, no matter who is power"


    The GOP have thrown their own monkey wrench into the world's geo-political situation.They didn't need any help.

    I know you desperately want to believe that bush is doing the right thing>
    Has the EVIDENCE convinced you otherwise, yet?
    Have all the scandals had no effect on your perceptions?
    Sure you respect P. Buchanan. That's b/c he's a Republican.
    It must have been a eye opener for you to see so many Republicans now saying what many of us have been saying since the beginning.
    I take no solace in being correct, with such tragic consequences.

    No, the democrats DO NOT share equal blame...not with 6 years of a GOP Congress and 3 months of a Democratic Congress.

    They do for the conditions at the hospitals. What did any democrat try to do prior to the expose by Dana Priest?

    FYI-My views are my views. Why do you think I'd push my views on my students?

    Could it be the manner in which you reply?

    I made two comments that were not 100% supportive of Bush:

    1) the war was poorly prosecuted;

    2) Rumsfeld should have been fired sooner.

    Berate, belittle.

    don't think the Democrats are moving fast enough to end this war...but who the hell started this war?Who the hell convinced America Saddam Hussein was a "threat" to America?

    Well, let's start with Hillary Clinton.


    Sharon seems to have a good heart , but very confused.
    She has seen her heroes fall flat on their face and it's a tought pill for her to swallow.

    Generally I feel she's incapable of seeing just how corrupt and wrong-headed this administration really is.

    Hillary Clinton spoke more forcefully than any Senator about the threat Saddam posed. Oh but had she known now, ... . Edwards said "I was wrong."

    Well, let's start with Hillary Clinton.


    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 1:03 PM

    So Hillary Clinton is responsible for the 3000 plus deaths, bungled post war planning etc.

    NO she is not !

    She gave the president the authority TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION. NO one expected him to take the course he did in the manner in which he did.

    Yet you don't hold the GOP Congress accountable for reigning in this president.

    Figures.

    I believe all politicians have some degree of corruption. Unfortunately, that is the only way for most people to achieve power. My heroes, by the way are the saints who died for their Catholic faith and the people currently being prosecuted in China, Russia, the Mideast, the Sudan and elsewhere as they hold fast.

    Guess who has the power to reign him now? But who has and will continue to politics first? It's all a game.

    You need to go back and read what Hillary said. She doesn't shoulder all of the blame at all. But she is one of the hypocrites I am talking about.

    The most consistent Democrat has been Dennis Kucinich. I respect his consistency (but would never vote for him). He is seen as a joke for the presidency.

    It is time to play "Candyland" with the young ones.

    Rumsfeld was a disaster, but you gloss over his failures.
    Bush/Cheney convinced the country that Saddam was a threat LONG after CIA reports were in that it wasn't so clear.
    You also forget that this war was PLANNED in the early 90's by Cheney/Wolfowitz.
    9/11 gave them excuse to implement this plan and found the prefect stooge as president to go along.
    Yet you blame the Democrats.
    Funny.
    Yes...they shouldn't have voted to give authorization. They should have ignored all of the flag waving, misinformation and deceit coming from your guys.
    But at least most of them STILL AREN'T pushing for this unwinnable war, like your boys are doing.

    Be realistic instead of putting party over country.

    Our simpleton - in - chief almost blows himself up !

    Too funny !

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070407/AUTO01/704070338/1148

    Your bias is clearly showing.

    Posted by: Bob at April 8, 2007 12:11 PM
    Hypocritic post of the day, for sure. Hey booby, have you seen Indoctrinate U? You should check it out. You might even be in it.

    "In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

    If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

    President Clinton
    Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
    February 17, 1998
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/17/transcripts/clinton.iraq/

    Wesley Clark, 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, discusses Saddam's WMD:

    WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

    MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

    WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

    MILES O'BRIEN: All right, well, where are, where is, they've been there a long time and thus far we've got 12 empty casings. Where are all these weapons?

    WESLEY CLARK: There's a lot of stuff hidden in a lot of different places, Miles, and I'm not sure that we know where it all is. People in Iraq do. The scientists know some of it. Some of the military, the low ranking military; some of Saddam Hussein's security organizations. There's a big organization in place to cover and deceive and prevent anyone from knowing about this.

    Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate
    During an interview on CNN
    January 18, 2003
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/18/smn.05.html
    Still more to come.

    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
    Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
    December 16, 1998

    BILL MOYERS: President Bush's recent speech to the American Enterprise Institute, he said, let me quote it to you. "The danger posed by Saddam Hussein and his weapons cannot be ignored or wished away." You agree with that?

    JOE WILSON: I agree with that. Sure.

    BILL MOYERS: "The danger must be confronted." You agree with that? "We would hope that the Iraqi regime will meet the demands of the United Nations and disarm fully and peacefully. If it does not, we are prepared to disarm Iraq by force. Either way, this danger will be removed. The safety of the American people depends on ending this direct and growing threat." You agree with that?

    JOE WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. The President goes on to say in that speech, as he did in the State of the Union Address, is we will liberate Iraq from a brutal dictator. All of which is true.

    Joseph Wilson, Advisor to John Kerry 2004 Presidential Campaign
    During an interview with Bill Moyers
    February 28, 2003

    "There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him. And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that."

    Joseph Wilson, Advisor to John Kerry 2004 Presidential Campaign
    In a Los Angeles Times editorial: "A 'Big Cat' With Nothing to Lose"
    February 6, 2003; Page B17

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/
    opinion/la-oe-wilson6feb06,1,194637.story

    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/
    access/283963011.html?dids=283963011:283963011&FMT=ABS
    &FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Feb+6%2C+2003&pub=Los+Angeles+Times

    "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."

    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
    During an interview on "Meet The Press"
    November 17, 2002
    http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=375

    "I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
    Addressing the US Senate
    October 10, 2002
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
    cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H7777&dbname=2002_record

    I ESPECIALLY ASK YOU BOB TO TAKE NOTE OF HILLARY:

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

    It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

    Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
    Addressing the US Senate
    October 10, 2002
    http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

    Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do, to quote Bob.

    And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

    So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

    What was Hussein's reaction? Belligerence. What was Hillary's reaction up until her decision to run for president? Silence.

    To end, my point of all these annoying cut and pastes is that Bush was not alone in his belief. If Hillary didn't believe Bush used his the war vote wisely, where was her voice when he engaged in war in March of 2003? She was complicit, as were the others.

    Sharon: "I didn't know much about the Middle East in September of 2002. It is not my job to know it."

    But Bush didn't know much about the Middle East at that time either...but it WAS his "job to know it"

    Sharon: "I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am."

    How does that square with the fact that New Yorkers, on average, are more anti war than most of the rest of the country?

    Sharon: "a vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; It is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our president and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort."

    Exactly Sharon....and did Bush do that?.... NO!

    Sharon: "What was Hillary's reaction up until her decision to run for president? Silence."

    Exactly Sharon, and thats why Hillary should never be nominated or elected.

    Oh Bob, everytime I look over your posts I find something else. Pat Buchanan is not a mainstream Republican and you know that. That is why he will never be elected president. He is the only politician that I believe is not corrupt to any degree. Secondly, he was against the war from the start! Not just now. He went on record on every show that he guested. Pat Buchanan is one of the few Republicans who has ever been on Olbermann.


    Sharon: "I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am."

    How does that square with the fact that New Yorkers, on average, are more anti war than most of the rest of the country?

    Why don't you ask Hillary? She made the comment; I didn't.

    Some democrats HAD spoken up, but nothing was done. (Bob re: miiltary hospitals)

    Who and when?

    This was Bob's question that precipitated my cut and pastes:

    don't think the Democrats are moving fast enough to end this war...but who the hell started this war?Who the hell convinced America Saddam Hussein was a "threat" to America?

    Read the cut and pastes Bob.

    Oh Bob, everytime I look over your posts I find something else. Pat Buchanan is not a mainstream Republican and you know that. That is why he will never be elected president. He is the only politician that I believe is not corrupt to any degree. Secondly, he was against the war from the start! Not just now. He went on record on every show that he guested. Pat Buchanan is one of the few Republicans who has ever been on Olbermann.

    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 3:10 PM
    Sharon, booby had to throw in a republican to "justify" his comment. One republican out of how many?

    Sharon, lil mikey is goint to be upset at you. Don't you know coward clark is his hero? lil mikey, were any of sharon's post directed towards you? What did you just say in regards to that on one of the other threads referring to me? Is there a single day that goes by where you don't contradict yourself? I don't think Sharon has a problem with you interjecting yourself in her debate with the indoctrinator. I'm sure she's not like you, selfrighteous.

    Royal,

    Bob will ask a question like who convinced America that Saddam was a threat and when answered, disappears for awhile until he can come up with something to get off track. Either that or just call you a wingnut who will die supporting the President, even if you have given examples that show otherwise. He'll then get support from an anon.

    Bob will ask a question like who convinced America that Saddam was a threat and when answered, disappears for awhile until he can come up with something to get off track. Either that or just call you a wingnut who will die supporting the President, even if you have given examples that show otherwise. He'll then get support from an anon.

    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 3:50 PM
    Sounds exactly like another certain olbyloon. I love it when a "new poster" with a name never before seen suddenly appears in defense of a defensless point or post. That's even more entertaining. "not pro olbermann-just anti-hypocrisy" was one here for a couple days, where did he suddenly go? Where did "cecil" suddenly go, or "beverly" or "truth syndicate" they all vanished into thin air and they all defended one person, ironically.lol

    Mike,

    Interject all you want, even though you questioned my insincerity because I took a different view than you. BTW, your claim that President Bush didn't know the Mideast must be made against all those who supported the war effort. Obama could state from afar while a state congressman that the U.S. should not invade Iraq. Right now his view is the popular one, just as the vote in September 2002. Would he have stood his ground if he were in the Senate then? He has timing in his favor.

    Royal,
    Coward Clark lol. That is almost as funny as Sandy Burglar (I think that was the Joker, or one of his pseudonyms).

    Royal,
    Coward Clark lol. That is almost as funny as Sandy Burglar (I think that was the Joker, or one of his pseudonyms).

    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 3:58 PM
    Sharon, sandy burglar, which is what he is, was coined by Savage, Joker listens to Savage, as I do. Coward clark was coined by me, just to shake lil mikeys cage. Good point about obama, the only thing he has on his side is timing, he's about as qualified to be president as I am.

    Well, the, hats off to Savage.

    Qualifications notwithstanding, hah, I think Obama's chances are looking pretty good and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Clinton camp offer the V.P. role, but not quite yet. It will be interesting to see if he would take it or go for the gusto. I want to see Fred Thompson throw his hat in the ring.

    oops, just saw a booboo to Mike, questioned my sincerity (accusing me of insincerity I was thinking)

    oops, just saw a booboo to Mike, questioned my sincerity (accusing me of insincerity I was thinking)

    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 4:22 PM
    I thought the same thing, Sharon. I didn't want to claim I could read your mind or put words in your mouth, like someone else like to do. I second your motion for F. Thompson, as well. He is pulling about 12% last I checked, even though he's not in. I don't see obama settling for second fiddle,but, money could change his mind. He is a politician, money is all that matters, on both sides. That's why I'm an (I).

    SAVAGE = SEWAGE

    The site troll spewed: "Coward Clark was coined by me, just to shake lil mikey's cage".

    Trust me lil moron, it is entirely beyond your capacity to "shake my cage", either on line, or in person.

    Sharon, I don't remember ever questioning your insincerity, although you may well have taken something I said in a way I had not intended. I do not think of you as 'insincere', therefore I would have no reason to question your sincerity. In fact, you're the only one on your side who has expressed a somewhat nuanced view of the situation, and I tend to respect you for that.

    As for Bush not understanding the middle east, it is pretty much established that he had little knowledge of the area, or it's history before deciding to invade. However, I don't see why you would claim I have to make that claim about "everyone who supported the war effort"? Each and every Neocon or supporter would have had their own misguided reasons why they thought it was a good idea, ranging from naivity to old fashioned greed.

    Sharon: You USED to be much more objective and not so one sided as you seem to be today.

    Was that all an act, or was there another Sharon?

    Posted by Mike at March 30, 2007 11:01 PM

    Let me repost this from Nancy Pelosi:

    "I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
    Addressing the US Senate
    October 10, 2002
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
    cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H7777&dbname=2002_record

    That is what it boils down to. Getting rid of the risk outweighed the reservations anyone who voted yes may have had. I am not excusing the President's lack of knowledge but if you take the argument of weighing consequences, i.e., nuclear threat versus not knowledgeable enough, which is outweighed? Check out Wes Clark again:


    WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

    MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

    WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.

    WESLEY CLARK: He does have weapons of mass destruction.

    MILES O'BRIEN: And you could say that categorically?

    WESLEY CLARK: Absolutely.


    Posted by: Sharon at April 8, 2007 11:43 PM
    Sharon, my clear thinking friend, the far leftists, unfortunately, have a 10 minute memory. By this time, they would totally deny any of what you just posted was true if you said it without posting actual evidence. All they want to do is play the blame,scapegoat and divert games. It's all Bush's fault, he caused and started the war all by himself with no diplomacy whatsoever, bla, bla, bla. The evidence of that is right here day after day. Have you ever read the puffington post? There is a huge number of loons over there that actually think Bush planned 9/11. You have to wonder how those people can dress themselves in the morning and feed themselves. They damn sure can't think for themselves. I made a post with evidence Al Gorey was tied to oil money and guess what, it got flagged and deleted as "abusive." They do not want to know the truth, period.

    Sharon, I don't remember ever questioning your insincerity, although you may well have taken something I said in a way I had not intended. I do not think of you as 'insincere', therefore I would have no reason to question your sincerity. In fact, you're the only one on your side who has expressed a somewhat nuanced view of the situation, and I tend to respect you for that.

    As for Bush not understanding the middle east, it is pretty much established that he had little knowledge of the area, or it's history before deciding to invade. However, I don't see why you would claim I have to make that claim about "everyone who supported the war effort"? Each and every Neocon or supporter would have had their own misguided reasons why they thought it was a good idea, ranging from naivity to old fashioned greed.

    Posted by: Mike at April 8, 2007 10:02 PM
    Sharon, I remember when lil mikey questioned you sincerity, he plays the same "you must have misunderstood me" card all the time. He has adamantly denied saying many things of which I have had to go back in the archives and find them to prove him wrong. It goes from being "insincere" to having "respect" for you. Wow, what a differnce a few weeks make. Don't prove him wrong or he will call you a "sanctimonious bitch" like he did Cecelia. Not to mention all the names he's called Grammie.....

    The Leftist-Islamic alliance!

    Anti-globalists reach out to Islamists
    Cooperation between Islamists and the left is growing, reports Eric Walberg

    What is striking about this latest conference is the growing cooperation both within the Muslim world and between the anti-global left and Muslims. This should come as no surprise, considering the traditional focus of the left on defending victims of torture. Who are the biggest victims of torture in the world today? Of course, Muslims, primarily in Iraq and Palestine, but everywhere in the West, and just about in every country that is predominantly Muslim.

    The left realises this and is finally overcoming its traditional resistance to the cultural conservatism of Islam, and likewise Muslims are reaching out to the left -- clear examples are Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood's (MB) prominent role in this conference and Lebanon, where Hizbullah was prominent at a similar anti-imperialism conference last November in Beirut. Organised by Al-Karama (Dignity), Al-Ishtirakyin Al-Sawryin (Socialist Revolutionary Party), Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimin (Muslim Brotherhood) and Al-'Amal (Labour), and held at the Egyptian Press Syndicate, the conference attracted close to 600 participants and observers from around the world, including a delegation of 80 South Koreans and 20 Canadians.

    But what can we make of the overwhelming prominence at the conference of the MB and their very professional brochures and CDs, well translated into English? One pamphlet quotes MB deputy Khairat El-Shater assuring the reader "No need to be afraid of us" and "We do not promote an anti- Western agenda". Certainly we can condemn the military tribunals where 40 prominent MB members are being tried under emergency laws, in violation of the constitution. Belal Diaa Farahat, a business student at the American University of Cairo told Al-Ahram Weekly how his father Diaaeddin Farahat, a prominent businessman, was arrested along with 39 others "merely because he was successful and a member of the MB." After three months in prison and acquittal in a civil court, these men were re-arrested and will face a military tribunal next week.

    Ahmed Shawqi, a student activist at Al-Azhar, said that all the delegates at the conference were unanimous in condemning the tribunals. Delegates from London, Canada and Greece promised to demonstrate, and organise petitions to protest against the military tribunals and invite MB representatives on speaking tours in order to explain their position. Shawqi added, however, that an important aspect of the MB's platform is not to work against Egypt in its international relations. In a sense, the Brotherhood "stole the show" at the conference, with their very real oppression fitting the international delegates' human rights agenda. Coincidence or act of God?

    The key forum at the conference: "bridge building between the left and Islam" focussed on re-evaluating the relations of the left and the Islamists, as well as on practical ways to increase cooperation.

    Mohamed Ghozlan, an MB Al-Azhar student activist, described the underlying misunderstanding: "the left thought Islam was just an anachronism, while Muslims accused the left of trying to destroy their way of life. However, with both sides being repressed by dictatorship, we are able to cooperate now on the basis of human rights and the fight against the war in Iraq and globalisation. Such Latin American leaders as Hugo Chavez have accelerated the cooperation, reaching out to the Muslim resistance." He explained the greater repression of Muslim than leftists in Egypt to be due to the fact that "the government sees us as the greater threat to it."

    In an interview with the Weekly, conference organiser Nada Kassass said, "the turning point in the relations of the left and Islamists was the Intifada in 2000, when the committee to support the Intifada brought (the two parties together). The wars in Iraq and Lebanon increased the collaboration, and the struggle around the 2006 elections in Egypt showed the success of this strategy, with six nationalists and 88 MB candidates elected. Earlier, when MB members were arrested, the left did little -- the government was able to use religion to keep the left afraid of the Islamists and the Islamists afraid of the 'godless' communists. Both sides were at fault here in Egypt. Ironically it was actually easier for Islamists to work with European leftists than Egyptians, but all that has changed. The bad blood between the MB and the left dates from the 1960s and is now being overcome." Kassass related how left, liberal and Muslim students at Cairo University, Al-Azhar and Ain Shams joined forces to scuttle student council elections which were rigged by the government earlier this year, though some were expelled, arrested and beaten. "People are joining together to defend their rights."

    Kassass's evaluation of the situation in Egypt was echoed in the exchanges of Sadala Mazraani of the Lebanese Communist Party, and Ali Fayyad of Hizbullah. Mazraani admitted that during the civil war in Lebanon, Islamists and socialists were fighting each other, and argued that we should learn from the successes of the anti- fascist front of WWII, the nationalist revolution of the 1950s in Egypt and the non-aligned movement of the 1960s, when imperialism was on the defensive. He pointed out how Latin America is uniting with the Middle East against the common enemy, and said it was more a matter of coordinating movements that have recognised common goals. "The Lebanese Communist Party actively works with Hizbullah against the occupation and in elections, both trying to unite Lebanese society to fight Israel and Zionism."

    Ali Fayyad of Hizbullah backed up Mazraani, though he complained that, "many socialists in Europe still refuse to work with us, calling us 'terrorist'". He admitted that Islamists are conservative and often don't want to work with the left, especially extremists like Al-Qaeda, which "will not work with anyone and will fail". Then there are the liberal Muslims who don't care about the war and occupation, lack a clear position on imperialism, and as a result, actually ally with it. "The differences of Hamas and Hizbullah with the left are minor -- family and social priorities -- and at the same time, the Islamic movement must apply democracy, which is really the same as shura. Democracy is a bridge to cross to a better world. We should avoid intolerance in governance, whether it's Islamic or not, and forcing religion upon people." He referred to Gramsci's argument about creating a common front at important historical junctures to induce historical change, after which the different groups can go their separate ways.What a lovely irony to have an Islamist quoting a Western communist theorist.

    "By working with Islamic groups in an open way, the left can have a positive impact on Islamic movements, and vice versa."

    The international left, as represented at the conference, emphasised practical ways to reach out to the broader Muslim community, as reflected in conference forums on such projects as twinning UK and Palestinian cities, countering the boycott of the Hamas government in Palestine with a boycott of Israel and Western firms that provide military equipment to Israel, countering Islamophobia -- in a word, citizens' diplomacy.

    James Clark of the Canadian Peace Alliance described how the anti-war coalitions are now supportive of Muslims who find themselves targets of racial and religious profiling and no-fly lists, and that there is active work in the peace movement to counter Islamophobia, "which the governments use to fan the flames to generate support for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are committed to defend all civil liberties. "On the wall of the prayer room at Ryerson University in Toronto, someone's spray painted 'Die Muslim'. The administration refused to condemn this as hate crime, so we organised a petition and a campaign to counter Islamophobia, and as a result, the head of the Islamic students' organisation was elected president of the students' council. So you can use such incidents to educate and mobilise people." Clark vowed that the Canadian peace movement, inspired by the Arab resistance in Lebanon and Iraq, would work with Muslims to defeat imperialism.

    Johannes Anderson of Denmark criticised the Danish left for not standing behind Muslims during the cartoon controversy, allowing a weak prime minister to emerge unscathed. "I've changed through the past years and grown through criticism. We should not be afraid of it. We fight for democracy in the Middle East and Europe against neo- liberalism which is taking away our rights everywhere."

    Wafaa El-Masri of Al-Karama Party saw a new Islamic message emerging at the conference -- shared principles to build society, emphasising our commonalty. "The Egyptian national movement works with the Islamists to fight the constitutional amendments, to end the Mubarak regime, to unite against the Iraq war, and to support Iran against the threat of US attack."

    While the conference's criticism of the repression of the host government would hardly merit a comment if it were held in, say, Toronto or Moscow, the lack of fear by the MB and Egyptian opposition representatives was impressive -- they realise that at any moment they too could be arrested and possibly tortured, yet they did not fear speaking out. Belal Farahat's father, one of the 40 MB prisoners awaiting next week's military tribunal, had his assets seized and stores closed by the government, yet Belal continues to study at AUC: "The whole point of the Brotherhood is that we are one and must help each other."

    In an interview with the Weekly, George Hajjar, a political philosophy professor at the Lebanese University and head of the National Rally in Support of the Resistance Option, though optimistic about the growing understanding between leftists and Islamists and supportive of the conference as a whole, criticised it for not having representatives from the Iraqi resistance, "because the resistance is primarily nationalist, and the MB and Shias in Iraq are members of the occupation government."


    C'mon Sharon, you can't be serious! That wasn't questioning your 'sincerity' at all. That was simply expressing dismay that you seem to have become more hardened in your pro war stance than you had been before. It is difficult for me to understand how that could happen in light of the reality that is becoming more and more clear every day.

    As for ther site troll 'answering' every single post of mine, even though they aren't addressed to him, all I can say is that he is a serial liar who's goal is to to disrupt any and all communication I have with anyone else on this site. I have never called anyone names who haven't done the same to me first.

    The site troll spewed: "Coward Clark was coined by me, just to shake lil mikey's cage".

    Trust me lil moron, it is entirely beyond your capacity to "shake my cage", either on line, or in person.

    Posted by: Mike at April 8, 2007 9:48 PM
    Should I go back and find the posts that would prove otherwise, lil mikey? Or, maybe Bob and Johnny have erased them......lmao.

    Joker, the puffington post refers to radical islamists as "freedom fighters." What's next? I read a lot of posts from dems saying they are voting republican in '08 because of their "defending the enemy" attitude.

    The site troll opining nonsense again: "Should I go back and find the posts that would prove otherwise,"

    By all means, knock yourself out moron... because you are one of those rare blindered individuals that can only see what they want to see. There are numerous examples of you reposting things that 'prove' exactly the opposite of what you THINK they 'prove'.

    Mike,

    The topic was not the war at all! It was the fact that Olbermann spiked the Iran hostage crisis. It was obvious to everyone. No one else even defended him or even came on except for Craigs. Craigs defended you saying that you could not be asked to justify the reasoning behind it. You were in denial that the story was spiked because you said it was not political and not even big news.

    Average American Patriot,

    For less than $3 a day you can run an advertisement on this site with whatever message you care to run.

    By all means, knock yourself out moron... because you are one of those rare blindered individuals that can only see what they want to see. There are numerous examples of you reposting things that 'prove' exactly the opposite of what you THINK they 'prove'.

    Posted by: Mike at April 9, 2007 2:49 AM
    Oh, that's right, proving you wrong by reposting your brainless comments you called "pointless cut and pastes" if I remember correctly, which I do. Your little wooden soapbox has been crumbled into little pieces. How are you hoisting yourself up today?

    Average American Patriot,

    For less than $3 a day you can run an advertisement on this site with whatever message you care to run.

    Posted by: Robert Cox at April 9, 2007 11:40 AM

    My, What a bargain in advertising! With 20 posters, that's about $5 each.

    My, What a bargain in advertising! With 20 posters, that's about $5 each.

    Posted by: at April 9, 2007 12:33 PM
    a real brave "anon" that hasn't made it past 2nd grade math.

    The topic was not the war at all! It was the fact that Olbermann spiked the Iran hostage crisis. It was obvious to everyone. No one else even defended him or even came on except for Craigs. Craigs defended you saying that you could not be asked to justify the reasoning behind it. You were in denial that the story was spiked because you said it was not political and not even big news.

    Posted by: Sharon at April 9, 2007 6:10 AM
    Sharon, lil mikey has selective memory. I'm sure he wishes he could go back and erase most of his posts and rethink them.

    The site troll spewing out stupidity once again: ""lil mikey has selective memory, I'm sure he wishes he could go back and erase most of the posts and rethink them."

    What I regret most is that, on occasions, I have allowed myself to wallow in the sewer with you.

    What I regret most is that, on occasions, I have allowed myself to wallow in the sewer with you.

    Posted by: Mike at April 9, 2007 2:12 PM
    LMOA!