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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    April 12, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - April 12, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • BUSH ADMINISTRATION PROBLEMS: Jonathan Alter, Newsweek senior editor and MSNBC political analyst; Jonathan Turley, George Washington University law professor and constitutional law expert
    • 2008 ELECTION AND THE WAR: Dana Milbank, Washington Post national reporter
    • IMUS FOLLOW UP: Michael Harrison, Talkers Magazine
    • "AMERICAN I-DULL": Maria Milito, radio host

    A Thursday opening spiel bellowed in Olby's trademark hyperventilating style: Don Imus fired again, is his career over, will others restrain themselves; Iraq cafeteria bombed; GonzoGate "missing" emails and the White House "excuse"; plus another attack on Richard McCain and more American Idol. Prepare yourself for an Hour of Spin for the record books, and for our special Gibbons edition of Dogs That Did Not Bark. Woof!

    UPDATE: Video & Transcript

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Oralmann led off with the hot story of the night: the MSNBC Scandal. No no, he didn't call it that. Krazy Keith tosses the S-word around like confetti at a parade, as long as he's talking about his "enemies". But we know better, and from now on it is the MSNBC Scandal. One thing was suddenly made apparent. As Olbermahn read off a list of Imus crimes (he "reduced women staffers to tears"--note, see Suzy Kolber) anyone would have known that the I-Man was no longer an employee of A-Mess-NBC. Because all of a sudden, Imus was no longer under the protection of Edward R Olbermann.

    Max Robins of Broadcasting & Cable said Imus was fired because of "the bottom line" and dismissed KO's claim that it was because of concern over coworkers. Naturally Olby tried to get the subject off the MSNBC Scandal and brought it around to Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck, and Savage (aka LOBS). Hey, never mind our employee of many years--look at those guys over there! Robins was an interesting choice, since Robins and his Broadcasting & Cable magazine voted Don Imus into the Broadcasting Hall of Fame in November of 2002. Does this bring Olbypocrisy to new levels or what? Edward R Olbermann said nothing about it. Instead, Robins got Great thanks.

    Next, on the phone, Bob Herbert, the far-left New York Times columnist. Imus is an "anachronism". What would have been more interesting: KO should have brought on Tim Russert and asked him about his dozens of appearances with Imus. Maybe he could ask him about going on Imus and laughing and joking with the I-Man even after the nappy-headed hos comment. Maybe Olby doesn't have Russert on his speed dial.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #4: Keithy told a story about seeing Imus drunk and/or stoned back in the 1970s. Boy, when that protective A-Mess-NBC shield is lifted, Olbermoronn gushes forth with the previously secret dirt like Old Faithful on steroids. To opine on the future of Imus, who better than someone with even lower ratings? Sam Seder, of Err America. Well, he might know something about being drunk and/or stoned. But is Olbermahn such a slovenly political hack that he has to turn to the same discredited partisan sources even on a story like this? Um, yes. Then it became clear why Seder was there. Olby tried to distract again from the MSNBC Scandal. He pulled a mini-LOBS and wanted to know why Savage and Limbaugh "get away with worse" than what Imus said. Sheesh! Again, it would have been a lot more interesting if he had asked Seder about one of his own colleagues: Randi Rhodes. Nope, no way that's gonna happen on OlbyPlanet. Great thanks.

    #3: So far none of Olbermann's scheduled guests had appeared, and the show was more than half over! (It wasn't as bad as last night when Al Sharpton dumped Olby to appear in the No-Spin Zone instead.) It was on to the bombing in Iraq, Richard McCain, and Lindsay Graham. Finally somebody showed up who was supposed to: lefty Alter. (FYI: Lefty was on Imus's show dozens of times. Somehow that didn't come up.) Olbermahn teed up a softball for Lefty: doesn't the attempt to link this bombing to possible terrorist attacks in the US make Bush look "desperate"? Alter: "It does to me." What did Olby and his sock-puppet leave out this time? Al-Qaeda is in fact the primary suspect in this attack. But Alter says tying it to Al Qaeda is a "misrepresentation". This is what is called "news analysis" on OlbyPlanet. For that and some more bashing of Richard McCain Lefty got Great Thanks.

    #2: Missing emails in GonzalesGate. Olby makes a Nixon [Ding!] reference and says the emails are "key evidence" in how "partisan politics" led to the dismissal of attorneys. Judge Olbermann has ruled. Leahy (D) gets a clip to say they're deliberately hiding the emails, without any evidence for same. Plus Anna Nicole, Howard K Stern, Willa Ford, Kurt Vonnegut. #1: More trading on a program that actually gets a number: American Idol. In the Media Matters Minute, reporter Karen Tumulty was attacked for daring to write something critical of Madame Hillary (Blue Blog Source: Media Matters).

    Stories Olbermann refuses to report

    Dogs That Did Not Bark: Special Jim Gibbons Edition
    This canine was barking, two days ago. You will recall that Herr Olbermann named a "worst person": Gov Jim Gibbons (R). According to Olby, the Guv was propounding a theory that Democrats were paying money to have bad stories written about him. (See the video below.) As we pointed out that very night, the infamous, deplorable one didn't tell the whole truth. Olby omitted the part where the Governor said: "I don't give it any credence myself". Did KO leave that out to smear another Republican? Or because he just lifts stories from blue blogs, and in this case the blue blog itself left it out? Did he deliberately lie and slant the story, is it just another case of lazy pseudo-reporting: lifting from unreliable internet sources and calling that "journalism"? The reason this comes up again tonight is because of the Columbia Journalism Review. Fat Ass has been quick to cite the CJR in the past: to smear Fox. But this time the CJR is coming down on the press who mangled this story, including "Man on Fan" Olbermann. Krazy Keith's claim that the Governor was pushing this theory? False. The Guv had never said one word about any theory until a newspaper reporter asked him about it. That reporter turned his question into a phony story, lapped up by the blue blogs and dutifully sent through the echo chamber to Bathtub Boy. The CJR has taken Olby's "worst person" slam and thoroughly debunked it. Tonight was Edward R Olbermann's chance to correct the record. Retract the false report. Apologize to the Governor. But that dog--the one that corrects Monkeymann's mistakes and issues apologies--will never bark on OlbyPlanet.

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is a staggering #28,270 at amazon.com, while "Culture Warrior" is #255. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome is #4,699 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #151 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. The Imus bounce that benefitted A-Mess-NBC yesterday lifted all boats, so finally Olbermoronn eeked out a second place finish, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo". But he didn't come anywhere near Mr Bill's 3.2 million viewers. Of course. The MisterMeter had the night off.

    APPENDIX: Video of Olby's smear of Jim Gibbons:

    UPDATE: Video & Transcript

    Read the transcript to the Thursday show

    Keith Olbermann interviews Sam Seder about Don Imus and Rush Limbaugh


    212 Comments

    For some reason the video isn't working (not available).

    Olbermoronn's "surging" "popularity" particularly among "younger" viewers has closed her gap with O'Reilly to a mere 2,490,000 viewers. Impressive.

    If an irrelevant cable host (Olbermann), and an irrelevant radio host (Seder) talk, does anyone watch them?

    Judging Olby's ratings, NO!


    Interesting comment about tonight's show from one of the loons on an Olby fan forum - she says "the whole Giuliani 'Price Is Right' thing is like a direct lift" from Stephanie Miller’s Show. Can anyone confirm Olby “lifting”?

    I can't wait to see tonight ratings numbers and smile ear to ear knowing that Michelle Malkin kicked the ever lovin' crap out of Keith Olbermann in the ratings.

    I had to laugh when olbermann tried to play the canning of Imus from MSNBC as no big deal because he only has a few hundred thousand viewers!??
    Gee Keith, have you stumbled across your own ratings numbers lately? Oh thats right you can't, they're to low to stumble over. Haaa Haa Haaa....

    Why count down from 5? Just start calling it the "Top 4 stories plus the last 15 minutes devoted to Fox hit American Idol"?

    One week, Keith and his sock puppets are defending Iran. The next week, they are defending Al Qaeda. And having Sam Sedar from Air America on as a guest to discuss the Don Imus scandal was just amazing. Pot calling the kettle black anyone? And by the way, Michael Savage was punished for the things he has said. He was fired by MSNBC.

    What a whore the orange putz is. What a putz the putz is--anyone read the NY magazine or what ever the hell it was profile on the olbytard? What a dickhead the lefty crack pot really is--seems olbymommoy and olbydaddy hated the little pompus sh-t so much they skipped the little sh-t two grades just to get him out of the house two years early--hey If my son was a pos like Keithy--I'd do the same thing --so little oprangetard went from his all white private school where he played no sports--but was ignored and nio doubt mocked by his classmates--so to get even little keithy did what all 78 lb weaklings do--they join the school paper or battery powered radiio station and become "sports casters" where they can seek revenge for all the atomic wedges the football team or cheerleader sqaud gave the little four eyed virgin keithytard.
    The best part of the profile was the nuggest of the olbyparents getting the little sh-t cable for his dorm room---priceless---!!!Ole Keithy sat in his dorm room-alone and unwanted by family and the entire Heterosexual community at Cornel---no wonder Keithy is sexually stunted --see Karmabites--he's in a teenage sexual limbo of sexual and social develpoement.
    Last night--did you see the pathetic orange putz grovel at the feet of Jesse Jackson? The best was the little hypocrite saying he has Aison Stewart fill in while he is away --no doubt having trysts that turn into disasters with grouppies to his disaster of a program.What a grasping self promoting pile of sh-t olbytan is--it's sickening--just sickening.
    Lets see--the big brave almost viring tough guy Keithy olbytan has yet to dsay a harsh word against his network and Imus. Oh wait---he would have done so--to prove his --as we all know now from the recent profile, stunted manhood--but his pals in management at MS-LSD have asked him not to--oh wait--no--it was the Rutgers team that is keeping his manhood in check so that's why the stunted little sh-t can't say a cross word about MS-LSD.Oh wait----could that be thereason why Keithy can never say a cross word about the democrats---cause Abrams and his boy crush Billy Clinton--the one who along with his wife called each other "f---ing jews" and other lovely marital banter???????asked brave little qalmost virgin keithy not to??

    >One week, Keith and his sock puppets are defending Iran. The next week, they are defending Al Qaeda.

    Royal Queen, meet James.

    James, meet Royal Queen and Joker.

    Finally Bob Sucks Cox and Johnny Bu$hwipe can have a little R&R with you 3 defending this site from the impending threat of the Great Caliphate, and K.O.

    Just don't drink all of the Kool-Aid at once.
    Save some for the '08 elections.

    I just wanted to post here about what has been said on many threads. Yesterday, before Imus had been fired, we were hearing he was a liberal and being protected by liberals. He should be fired. Keith was scum for not attacking him.
    Today, after Imus was fired, we're hearing from the same people Imus is a conservative being unfairly abused by Keith and liberals. Keith is scum for saying Imus did anything wrong.

    Did the talking points from Fox Noise change that quickly?

    Well I have to say that for the first time in a long time I will be looking forward to seeing the Larry King Show. When Imus go's on for 'The Rip Job of The Century' on MSNBC/NBC.

    I give it less than a week, but thats where he ends up.

    Oh! and kudos to Bill O'Reilly for getting 3.2 million viewers last night! Bill did in one night what Olby would have to take 5 nights to get.

    Pass the mirror on the wall
    Who's the biggest fool of all?
    Olby, don't you feel small?

    James, the anonyloons and olbyloons have no intelligent debating skills so they do what they are doing now. Spewing their FAR left rhetoric. You will learn to just laugh at them and their enemy defending ways. Unpatriotic and un-American. Not all of them, just most of them. When the drugs and booze kick in, look out! It gets even uglier, if that's possible.....When they start using all caps or caps in every other word, you know you have rattled their trailer.

    186,
    I believe Imus himself said being fired my MSNBC was no big deal because he only had a few hundred thousand viewers. He said he had many more listeners on the radio.

    One more thing, James. There is only one, possibly 2(booby/bob and lil mikey),but, they or he use like 8 different names and "anonyloon" as I call it. You may already know this, though.

    186,
    I believe Imus himself said being fired my MSNBC was no big deal because he only had a few hundred thousand viewers. He said he had many more listeners on the radio.

    Posted by: Colbert at April 12, 2007 11:20 PM
    He will have a new job in no time and look out More Snot Nosed BroadCasters (Olby), Russert Potato, Dick Gregory and quite a few politicians. He's probably sharpening his axe right now.

    little billy,
    Could you please stop sharing your homo-erotic fantasies and obsessing over men's sex lives and genitalia? We get it. You're gayer than gay.

    royalking,
    Just yesterday your cult leader was claiming anyone who defended Imus or didn't fire him was a fool. Now you're all whining about him being fired and hoping he gets a new job? Way to prove you have no mind of your own.

    The Sanjaya of TV news , KeefO, remains faithful to his fans. Both of them.

    >There is only one, possibly 2(booby/bob and lil mikey),but, they or he use like 8 different names and "anonyloon" as I call it.

    Awwwwhh shiite!

    Only 8 different names?

    Obviously, royal queen is not taking all her meds.

    And BTW, Mike IS LMAO, as well as Colbert, and VOK, and whoever else your paranoid hallucinations want.

    Don't ever change, Royal Queen.

    Colbert and royalking, I stand corrected then.

    Did anyone hear Marc Levin rake keithy over the coals tonight. It was priceless. Get the audio up guys. It's priceless.

    A few classic 'Jeffisms':

    - Jeff on Colbert: "Stephen Cobert is actually a conservative making fun of the libs".

    - Jeff denegrating someone else's intelligence: "You are an IMBOCILE"

    - Jeff on Tim Russart: "Russart Potato"

    - Jeff's answer to the Middles East problem: Hit em with a few 'MOABs' (Mother of all Bombs).

    - Here's Jeff claiming that I'm the only pro Olbermann poster here...(or maybe there is ONE more): "There is only one, possibly 2 (booby/bob and lil mikey), but, they or he use like 8 different names and "anonyloon" as I call it."

    - Jeff on prisoner abuse: "just so you know, Einstein, I got my "club gitmo" t-shirt on right now"

    - Another example of Jeff's stellar command of the English language: "he injected his self in 2 people's debates".

    - Jeff the gun totin lunatic: "The only hood I wear is a cowboy hat. Yes my .44 is within reach."

    - Jeff claiming I'm just about everybody: "how many "aliasses" to you have, lil mikey?"

    - Jeff, responding to Factor, seemingly calling posters on his own 'team' nuts': "speaking of "nuts", what are you and Sharon doing here?"

    Jeff's reaction when called for misspelling three simple words in a one line post: "Thanks mrs. philby, I misspelled the words purposely,"

    Oh, there are SO many more examples. You just can't make a character like Jeff up!

    Did anybody catch "The Factor' with Michelle Malkin in for Bill?

    I don't want put in any spoilers except to say. The Imus story is dead after you watch what was said to her by Shabazz!!!

    Oh! Happy Day!

    'The Toxic Avenger clean up the airwaves express'. just got derailed!!!!

    Unless Keith wants to defend Mr. Shabazz against that 'Crazy' Malkin.

    ROFLMAO

    "Did anybody catch "The Factor" with Michelle Malkin in for Bill?"

    Now why would any sane person do that?

    As alwayd teheran Keith sticking up for Al-Qaeda and Iran. Why does he do it?
    Is he a secret Muslim?
    Or does he hate Bush so much that he views them as allies?

    lil mikey, helping me prove what I have already proven over and over. A very desperate little boy. More of his "pointless cut and pastes." A phrase he used on Grammie or Cecelia when she reposted some of his ramblings to prove him wrong!

    Good luck, Bob. If there's one thing we know about Olbermann it's that he's got an ear for the zeitgeist.

    royalking,
    Just yesterday your cult leader was claiming anyone who defended Imus or didn't fire him was a fool. Now you're all whining about him being fired and hoping he gets a new job? Way to prove you have no mind of your own.

    Posted by: Colbert at April 12, 2007 11:30 PM
    Where did I whine about him getting fired? Rush got let go from espn for much less, Ulbermahn has said things just as bad, hypocritical? Double standards? Hell yes. I don't think he should have lost his radio show or get fired from mslsd just like I thought it was a total crock when Rush was fired as well as many others. Fire Rush and not Imus? No. There needs to be an even playing field. I don't want to hear the libby's start harping about the "fairness doctrine" crap. It doesn't work. Just because no one would listen to error America, they want to get the gov't involved. Did Al Freakshow ever get paid? He could probably use the money for his losing campaign. Maybe he can buy a few votes.

    > Why would it be important that Johnny accused you of being a liar before he proved you wrong? Posted by:lil itty bitty mikey

    Talk about being dense. Or dishonest. I NEVER accused Jeff of being a liar. Telling deliberate lies, a la Monkeymann, is not the same thing as getting something wrong. I fully admit I was prodding the discussion a bit; it's called stirring the pot to keep the discourse bubbling along. But if you're going to claim I said something, you better have a quote. And there ain't no quote where I called Jeff a liar.

    But you insist I did. What does that make you?

    Posted by johnny dollar at April 12, 2007 12:51 PM

    Bill was off tonight and Michelle was filling in. What are the chances that we have another desk incident after Olbermann sees that he has be beaten by an O'Reilly's fill in.

    Now why would any sane person do that?

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 12:27 AM
    Why would any sane person say they don't post under several names when they do, i.e. lie? Got an answer for that? Or, are you too drunk to type? Oh, I know, have booby type for you, or is he too drunk, too?

    You want quotes Johnny? I got quotes:

    Jeff you are not telling the truth. There was never a clip on this site of Ann Coulter talking about Olby's "worst glasses in the world". And no such clip was ever removed. You are very wrong about this and you should apologize to Mr Cox, the webmaster of this site, the #1 Keith Olbermann blog in the world, for accusing him of removing a clip just because you can't accurately remember its contents.
    Posted by: johnny dollar at March 16, 2007 1:15 AM

    And I even have definitions:

    a Lie:

    3. an inaccurate or false statement.

    5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

    6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

    Okay Pick 3, 5, or 6 above and then read:

    Jeff you are not telling the truth.

    And you tell me if Johnny thought Jeff was a Liar or not. No, Johnny, technically you didn't come out and say "Jeff you are a Liar." But you didn't have to. Jeff you are not telling the truth suffices per the definition of a lie.

    I must have missed Johnny's response when he originally posted it, thanks Truth Patrol for bringing it to my attention and letting me get the truth out.

    And now I can sit back and ponder how through their mutual obsession of a person on the TV, Johnny Scholar and Royal Queen can take turns defending each other when they both know they are really wrong.

    Hilarious! Don't change guys....You are great...

    "Better have quotes...."

    How about better have a better understanding of what a lie is...

    Laughing My Ass Off!

    Bill was off tonight and Michelle was filling in. What are the chances that we have another desk incident after Olbermann sees that he has be beaten by an O'Reilly's fill in.
    Posted by: The Factor at April 13, 2007 1:04 AM

    That was awesome when Shabazz called Malkin a Political Whore and she was just beside herself with anger. She could barely continue the interview.

    Too Funny!

    That was awesome when Shabazz called Malkin a Political Whore and she was just beside herself with anger. She could barely continue the interview.

    Too Funny!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 1:33 AM
    Not surprised you would glamorize a classless act like yourself.

    That was awesome when Shabazz called Malkin a Political Whore and she was just beside herself with anger. She could barely continue the interview.

    Too Funny!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 1:33 AM


    So Malkin interviewed someone who couldn't be called an "affable yes-man" as the Olbermann profile in New York Magazine characterized all of his Countdown guests?

    Well, laughing my ....too fun....whatevah.

    lmao is a desperate fool, for sure. LMAO!

    As alwayd teheran Keith sticking up for Al-Qaeda and Iran. Why does he do it?
    Is he a secret Muslim?
    Or does he hate Bush so much that he views them as allies?

    Posted by: The Joker at April 13, 2007 12:30 AM
    The latter is right, Joker. He would defend Osama Bin Ladin, himself, just to go against President Bush. Has he ever said anything negative about Puko Chavez? Ahmadidajihadist?The Pot Belly Pig in NK? No to all. In essence, he is defending them just to go against Bush. He's been crying in his beer since 2000.

    Jeff: "Why would any sane person claim they don't post under several names when they do"

    I give up dummy...why would they?

    Johnny said: "I NEVER accused Jeff of being a liar."

    Maybe not Johnny...but I did. And do you know why I did that Johnny?

    Because he's a liar!

    Okay so I'm trying to understand the mind of an Olbyloon.

    Okay Let's try this segment......

    Okay Olby has Sam Sedar on to talk about Imus getting canned and why stop there.

    Okay so far so good, I'm with you loons.

    Alright Olby is starting off talking about some newscaster from the 30's that got canned.

    Now he's talking about a doctor that wasn't a doctor but did the weather and......

    Wait!!!!!

    Let me go down into the subway and run head first into a pole and maybe I'll understand this sane?????? Person.

    LMAO, you and I both know that if Olbermann had told exactly the same kind of untruth that he called Jeff on did that day, Johnny would have surely labeled him as a 'liar'.

    As alwayd teheran Keith sticking up for Al-Qaeda and Iran. Why does he do it?
    Is he a secret Muslim?
    Or does he hate Bush so much that he views them as allies?
    Posted by: The Joker at April 13, 2007 12:30 AM

    The latter is right, Joker.
    Posted by: royalking at April 13, 2007 1:59 AM

    Are you sure Queen? I sorta thought Jacker was on to something with the 'Secret Muslim' theory.

    >LMAO, you and I both know that if Olbermann had told exactly the same kind of untruth that he called Jeff on did that day, Johnny would have surely labeled him as a 'liar'.
    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 2:08 AM

    Oh Yeah...

    It's so obvious it almost goes without saying that their politics and views are that of convenience. Like Brandon said on the 'Why isn't keith fired' thread. They already have their minds made up, now they're working feverishly to fill in the details.

    The details practically find you when you have your mind made up about something.

    >So Malkin interviewed someone who couldn't be called an "affable yes-man" as the Olbermann profile in New York Magazine characterized all of his Countdown guests?

    Well, laughing my ....too fun....whatevah.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 1:47 AM

    Yes Cecelia, master of the obvious, you are correct. Olbermann doesn't do a debate show. People who are interested in seeing people debate / fight / argue / exchange ideas will be disappointed by his show. That's probably the principle reason his ratings aren't as high as his competitors.

    I prefer a little joust, that's why I've described Olbermann's show as 'bland' and 'redundant' in the past.

    But I guarantee you that Malkin didn't pick Shabazz, and if she could have made him disappear with a twitch of her nose she would have!

    And settle down RoyalQueen, I'm hardly 'glamorizing' it. And it WAS funny!

    lmao, call it what you want. You're about as original as white paint. Was there a point to your last post? That's what I thought. Nope....

    I do have to say that the wing nuts here, must have a lack of education. History proves that the same mentality of the mentally decrepit that believes our modern media, were the same type of people the supported Nazi Germany. (OH noooooooooo, I brought up the bad bad word.)
    What made our nation the greatest of all nations so far, is our ability to question our leaders' intent and performance. But now we have a sect of the U.S. that believes that anyone questioning any (so-called) conservative leader make them unpatriotic, unAmerican, or traitorist. It is sad, because most of us the question the leaders of the executive branch, do also question our new congressional leaders too. But I guess that is lost on people with a political one-track-mind.

    I watched one of you people's beloved 'debate' shows tonight, and don't ask me which one it was, because it really doesn't really make any difference.

    Everybody was talking over everybody else while the host was trying unsuccessfully to get them to stop....Because the guests drowned out each other, I never did get to hear the opinion of the one I most wanted to hear from.

    There is nothing sacred about the shows that are formatted for 'debate', and there is no compelling reason why KO's show needs to join that pack.

    Diversity is a good thing.

    Where was all the left wing "questioning" when bj clinton was abusing the oval office?

    Yes Cecelia, master of the obvious, you are correct. Olbermann doesn't do a debate show. People who are interested in seeing people debate / fight / argue / exchange ideas will be disappointed by his show. That's probably the principle reason his ratings aren't as high as his competitors.

    I prefer a little joust, that's why I've described Olbermann's show as 'bland' and 'redundant' in the past.

    But I guarantee you that Malkin didn't pick Shabazz, and if she could have made him disappear with a twitch of her nose she would have!

    And settle down RoyalQueen, I'm hardly 'glamorizing' it. And it WAS funny

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 2:26 AM


    No, Olbermann does a news/politics analysis show. We all know there's only one side to that...

    Ironic you'd say this about a site that allows your input--- "The details practically find you when you have your mind made up about something."

    So do the affable yes-men.

    Damn LMAO, Royal pain sure got you with that one!

    I don't know how you're going to be able to top a zinger like "you're about as original as white paint"?

    I watched one of you people's beloved 'debate' shows tonight, and don't ask me which one it was, because it really doesn't really make any difference.

    Everybody was talking over everybody else while the host was trying unsuccessfully to get them to stop....Because the guests drowned out each other, I never did get to hear the opinion of the one I most wanted to hear from.

    There is nothing sacred about the shows that are formatted for 'debate', and there is no compelling reason why KO's show needs to join that pack.

    Diversity is a good thing.

    "I don't defend Olbermann!" Yea, tell us another lie.

    Jeff AKA RoyalPain: ""I don't defend Olbermann!" Yea, tell us another lie."

    I think it would be a little more accurate to characterize my post as an indictment of the 'debate' shows....but nuance like that is always lost on you.

    Where was all the questioning in the first 6 years of this adminy. I thought Clinton was stupid as hell, but it was a personal matter that didn't require him to testify before a Grand Jury. His fling had no effect that can scientifically or other wise, that can show that it would have effected the nation negatively, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait, until $60,000,000 was spent to uncover it.

    ......................I thought what Clinton did was.....................................

    Everybody was talking over everybody else while the host was trying unsuccessfully to get them to stop....Because the guests drowned out each other, I never did get to hear the opinion of the one I most wanted to hear from.

    There is nothing sacred about the shows that are formatted for 'debate', and there is no compelling reason why KO's show needs to join that pack.

    Diversity is a good thing.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 2:39 AM

    Heck no, Mike. You'll always hear the opinion of the one you want to hear on Olbermann's show...

    Jeff AKA RoyalPain: ""I don't defend Olbermann!" Yea, tell us another lie."

    I think it would be a little more accurate to characterize my post as an indictment of the 'debate' shows....but nuance like that is always lost on you.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 2:47 AM
    Stealing names from your hero, the fraud, mrs. philby because you can't come up with your own? Shocker. Funny, I'm pretty sure you criticized me for changing people's names, you, the biggest hypocrite on OW is doing it himself. No surprise, here. Olbypologist.

    So do the affable yes-men.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 2:41 AM

    Don't forget the yes-women, Cecelia!

    It's actually not the least bit Ironic when you see how 'this site' that 'allows your input' treats a contrarian viewpoint.

    Everyone that doesn't carry the water of Robert Cox is an 'Olbyloon' whether they watch / like / agree with / or otherwise have an opinion about Olbermann or NOT.

    I would say folks obsessing about Olbermann as much as 'you guys' do would actually fit the term 'Olbyloon' more appropriately than a casual viewer.

    Oh, I forgot, in your world there can be no Gray Area, if you're on this site you're either on the black team or the white team.

    I have yet to 'defend' Olbermann. What I think is so funny is while the Usual Suspects are here attacking Olbermann it leaves them defenseless against common sense.

    The more they flail, the dumber they look...

    Laughing My Ass Off While Watching and Commenting!

    Oh yea, Ulbermahn, there's some "diversity" for ya! LMAO!

    lmao, who's obsessing? How many posts have you made since you mysteriously appeared 2 or 3 days ago? Hundreds? Who's obsessing? Who's a "usual suspect?" That would be you, to both.

    Jeff...using his typical inane logic regarding name mangling: "I'm pretty sure you criticized me for changing other people's names."

    Well, not exactly, dummy...I've criticized you for 'MANGLING' other people's names. In fact, you pretty much do it for every person you disagree with, whether they are a public official, or just another poster on this board....Kind of like a third grader would do.

    As for my little taste of payback with 'RoyalPain', I thought it was pretty clever, and I'm sure "Mrs. Philby" doesn't mind at all.

    Cecelia: "You'll always hear the opinion you want to hear on Olbermann's show...."

    So you think you know what I "want to hear"? Are you clairvoyant?

    >lmao, who's obsessing?

    You! Although I think it's finally sunk in that I'm not Mike. But, tomorrow's a new day, perhaps you'll forget everything what happened today and start calling me Mike again tomorrow.

    >How many posts have you made since you mysteriously appeared 2 or 3 days ago?

    Less than you. Ooooh Mysterious...

    Hundreds? Who's obsessing? Who's a "usual suspect?"

    Wow, on one end of the spectrum we have Cecelia, Master of the Obvious, and on the other we have Jeff, who wouldn't know obvious if it hit him upside the head-and it often does!

    Gosh, it's getting late...I just don't want it to end. I guess there's always tomorrow. I can count on Jeff's idiotic comments just like I can count on the sun rising.

    Sleep tight Cowboy, just be sure to show up here early tomorrow for your daily ass whippin'

    Laughing My Ass Off to Sleep

    BTW Jeff-Don't forget the horses...

    As for my little taste of payback with 'RoyalPain', I thought it was pretty clever, and I'm sure "Mrs. Philby" doesn't mind at all.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:09 AM
    Since she doesn't exhist, I'm sure she doesn't mind. Far be it you come up with an original thought, you never have before why start now. Right?

    I have yet to 'defend' Olbermann. What I think is so funny is while the Usual Suspects are here attacking Olbermann it leaves them defenseless against common sense.

    The more they flail, the dumber they look...

    Laughing My Ass Off While Watching and Commenting!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 2:57 AM


    Of course you're laughing. Even you realize how ridiculous this sounds when you're the first to put words into someone's mouth that they have never uttered or felt.

    Too, if we had a nickle for every character spending time on an anti-Olbermann while professing not to care about Olbermann we could buy out his contract.

    Olbermann only gives one viewpoint and his show is merely flat whereas Bob has any opponent who cares to come to his site and his mind is dangerously made up...

    You don't have aommonsense and you certainly couldn't be any dumber.

    Ya, olbermann has some diversity.......................oh screw it. It would take allnight of writing to explain it in a way that you could understand it. I have to start as if teaching a first grader. Now red+blue=purple, blue+yellow=green, black+white=gray. Not enough time in the day to teach and reason with a wingnut. Goodnight.

    Cecelia: "You'll always hear the opinion you want to hear on Olbermann's show...."

    So you think you know what I "want to hear"? Are you clairvoyant?

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:11 AM

    It doesn't take anything approaching clairvoyance, it just takes listening to you bash passionate hosts and guests whenever Olbermann's affable yes-men are mentioned.

    Cecelia to LMAO: "you don't have aommonsense and you certainly couldn't be any dumber."

    Cecelia, I'm going to show a little more class than you showed when you unilaterally called me a 'liar', but I will say I don't believe for on second that you actually believe that LMAO "couldn't be any dumber".

    > Olbermann doesn't do a debate show.

    No kidding. why do Olbypologists keep bringing up this red herring. Nobody's asking him to do a debate show. We're just wondering why a "news" program interviews a string of Democrats and not Republicans. Why every talk show host who appears is from Err America. Why there is never a guest who offers an opinion other than Herr Olberamnn's.

    He doesn't have to "debate" them. He doesn't have to scream at them if he doesn't want to. He could just sit down and ask them questions and let some other point of view be heard on OlbyPlanet once in a while. You know, like Edward R Murrow did. It's called "journalism".

    >Of course you're laughing. Even you realize how ridiculous this sounds when you're the first to put words into someone's mouth that they have never uttered or felt.

    The First One? Examples?

    >Too, if we had a nickle for every character spending time on an anti-Olbermann while professing not to care about Olbermann we could buy out his contract.

    Proving my point once again, Cecelia. No neutral players. Either for or against. I'm not here to defend or attack Olbermann, I'm here to attack you and your hypocritical ignorance. Your beef is with Olbermann, my beef is with you. Too complicated for you?

    >Olbermann only gives one viewpoint and his show is merely flat whereas Bob has any opponent who cares to come to his site and his mind is dangerously made up...

    Dangerously made up? Now who's putting words in people's mouths. I copy and paste for a reason. It's your actual words! You paraphrase, add words, subtract words, mistake words, and view what you think might have been the intent of the words through your conservative prism. So, you don't think Bob's mind is 'made up?'

    >You don't have aommonsense and you certainly couldn't be any dumber.

    Oh, the typos Cecelia, you must be getting angry again...

    Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb

    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 3:14 AM

    Here Kitty Kitty, here's some stinky fish for you to eat, after all, you are the one who's smart enough to know she can't feed herself!

    Laughing My Ass Off!

    Cecelia, I'm going to show a little more class than you showed when you unilaterally called me a 'liar', but I will say I don't believe for on second that you actually believe that LMAO "couldn't be any dumber".

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:26 AM

    Actually, until she starts up, I think you couldn't be any dumber.

    >No kidding. why do Olbypologists keep bringing up this red herring.

    Actually Mr. Scholar, Cecelia brought it up when she posted this:

    So Malkin interviewed someone who couldn't be called an "affable yes-man" as the Olbermann profile in New York Magazine characterized all of his Countdown guests?

    She was making the point that Olbermann only has guests that agree with him...

    And what exactly am I apologizing for Olbermann for? Having a show that's bland and redundant as I've described it?

    More, 'If you're not with us, you're against us' tripe.

    Laughing My Ass Off!

    Cecelia: "It doesn't take anything approaching clairvoyance, it just takes listening to you bash passionate hosts and guests whenever Olbermann's affable yes-men are mentioned."

    Oh, I don't know Cecelia....I mostly bash "passionate hosts and guests" because they seem insanely obsessed with trying to take down a TV show host they could, and SHOULD...just as easily ignor. A host whom many other people just happen to like.

    There is something somewhat sinister about the OW concept. And they don't stop with Olbermann Cecelia. They attempt to add insult to injury by calling anyone who disgrees ridiculously inane names like 'Olbyloons'.

    I could be dumber Cecelia...

    I could be you.

    Thank GOD I'm not!

    Still Laughing My Ass Off!

    You could start with the words you put in my mouth and head over on the Jackie Mason thread.

    No, your beef is with Bob and Johnny really. Oh you don't like your political opponents there's no doubt. But your beef is truly with them and this site and it's because they've taken on Olbermann.

    And "dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" was not posted by me. I would have been more descriptive of you.

    >He doesn't have to "debate" them. He doesn't have to scream at them if he doesn't want to. He could just sit down and ask them questions and let some other point of view be heard on OlbyPlanet once in a while. You know, like Edward R Murrow did. It's called "journalism".

    This is hilarious. Johnny wanting Countdown so bad to be the show he envisions. Why doesn't Olbermann do the kind of show WE want? Doesn't he care about OUR feelings?

    Johnny, you dare call another person an 'Olbyloon' while you want so desperately for Countdown to change to suit you?

    That is hilarious! F-in' Laugh Out Loud Funny!

    Please Olbermann, take our advice, we know what kind of show you should do....

    Too Funny!

    Don't change Johnny, you are Priceless!

    Maybe if you tap your slippers together hard enough, you can make any show on TV be just how you want it.

    It's clear that Cecelia has this nasty side which fits in perfectly with a web site dedicated to personal smear attacks.

    She seems amiable enough until you shake her tree a little, or you don't play the game exactly the way SHE thinks it should be played....and then the cheap insults come flying out of her venomous little keyboard.

    The cycle perpetuates.

    I could be dumber Cecelia...

    I could be you.

    Thank GOD I'm not!

    Still Laughing My Ass Off!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 3:42 AM


    Yes, you could be smarter. Just not any dumber.

    Cecelia to LMAO: "Yes you could be smarter, just not any dumber"

    Translation: "I know you are but what am I?"

    No response at all would have been infinitely 'smarter' than that one.

    Maybe if you tap your slippers together hard enough, you can make any show on TV be just how you want it.

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 3:47 AM


    Great ! So, if you and Mike tap your heads together maybe you could make this blogsite how you want it.

    Or create a dust storm.

    >You could start with the words you put in my mouth and head over on the Jackie Mason thread.

    What words did I put 'in your mouth?'

    >No, your beef is with Bob and Johnny really. Oh you don't like your political opponents there's no doubt. But your beef is truly with them and this site and it's because they've taken on Olbermann.

    That's not true! So who do you perceive as my 'political opponents?' I'm anti-abortion, pro-gun rights, anti-big government, anti-wasteful spending, pro-strong military, pro-death penalty, and pro-(most) civil liberties. And you thought you had me all figured out! Can you quit telling me what I think and feel for one second so I can tell you? My beef is with hypocrites and ignorance and here I find both in abundance. I could care less whether they've 'taken on' Olbermann or not. I think they live vicariously through Olbermann, as you do, and it's a little sad, really.

    Listen, I come here for AMUSEMENT. My political axe-grinding takes a back seat when the silly names start flying. I think it's a bit hypocritical when everything you've accused me of doing you could accuse Jeff of doing. But you won't because you two have the same pathetic mutual cause: "To be against Olbermann."

    You're the one who's tied your identity to Olbermann, not me. I'm not here for the show, I'm here for the side show.

    To which you are an active party whether you like to admit it or not!

    Okay, enough Seriousness...

    Back to Laughing My Ass Off!

    Great ! So, if you and Mike tap your heads together maybe you could make this blogsite how you want it.

    Or create a dust storm.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 3:58 AM

    This site is exactly how I want it...

    I wouldn't be here otherwise!

    Cecelia to LMAO: "Yes you could be smarter, just not any dumber"

    Translation: "I know you are but what am I?"

    No response at all would have been infinitely 'smarter' than that one.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:55 AM


    Yes, those debate shows must be too much for you, if you are you're own definition of an unbiased judge.

    This site is exactly how I want it...

    I wouldn't be here otherwise!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 4:01 AM


    Well, you're glad to any place you're not censored or banned.

    Bedtime Boys and Girls...

    If I cared as much about a television program as Johnny, Bob, Cecelia, Brandon, Factor, Etc

    Then I would deserve the label of 'Olbyloon.'

    They just need a little lesson in simple logic...

    Just because ALL Olbyloons are smarter than you, doesn't mean EVERYONE that's smarter than you is an Olbyloon.

    Get it?

    I didn't think so...

    And the ignorance continues....

    And so does the LMAO...

    Well, you're glad to any place you're not censored or banned.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 4:05 AM

    Cecelia...still so angry she can't form complete sentences...

    G'Night Cecelia, and Good Luck with your Olbermann Obsession...

    "That's not true! So who do you perceive as my 'political opponents?' I'm anti-abortion, pro-gun rights, anti-big government, anti-wasteful spending, pro-strong military, pro-death penalty, and pro-(most) civil liberties. And you thought you had me all figured out! Can you quit telling me what I think and feel for one second so I can tell you? My beef is with hypocrites and ignorance and here I find both in abundance. I could care less whether they've 'taken on' Olbermann or not. I think they live vicariously through Olbermann, as you do, and it's a little sad, really."


    Well, I've been here since the site inception and I can truthfully say that most of us are far more liberal than you and that includes Johnny and Bob.

    So you don't like moderate Olbermann haters.... we can live with that...

    Cecelia...still so angry she can't form complete sentences...

    G'Night Cecelia, and Good Luck with your Olbermann Obsession...

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 4:09 AM


    Your meds have kicked out and you're not able to read.

    Cecelia says: "most of us are far more liberal than you, and that includes Johnny and Bob"....LOL!

    Does 'more liberal' mean being insanely obsessed with an irrational need to transform or squash a TV show that dares to displease you?

    Good night Cecelia...this will guarantee that you can get in the last word.

    Does 'more liberal' mean being insanely obsessed with an irrational need to transform or squash a TV show that dares to displease you?

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 4:18 AM

    Ask Imus.

    "...Well, I've been here since the site inception..."

    No wonder you take offense to people who don't take this endeavor as seriously as you.

    You're a lifer! Got any other hobbies?

    "most of us are far more liberal than you and that includes Johnny and Bob."

    Yes, I'm a true conservative, that's why Bush disgusts me so much. I'm probably more liberal in certain areas and more conservative in other areas than the 'composite' Olbybasher.

    "Your meds have kicked out and you're not able to read."
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 4:14 AM

    Ah, the meds joke. Everyone that doesn't agree with you is on medication. Original! I can read it if you can write it, and when you leave out words you're obviously either angry or drifting...

    You might want to go ahead and get some sleep too...

    I might have to put words in your mouth just to complete the sentences...

    Good night Cecelia...this will guarantee that you can get in the last word.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 4:20 AM


    Are you kidding....this liberal is headed over to the Olbermann fan site, so I can tell them I'm not there to bash Keith, I just disdain their rank hypocrisy...

    I might have to put words in your mouth just to complete the sentences...

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 4:27 AM

    That would certainly make all your accusations true.

    Are you kidding....this liberal is headed over to the Olbermann fan site, so I can tell them I'm not there to bash Keith, I just disdain their rank hypocrisy...
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 4:29 AM

    A little possessive of this site are we?

    I might have to put words in your mouth just to complete the sentences...

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 4:27 AM

    That would certainly make all your accusations true.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 13, 2007 4:31 AM

    Actually, if I did that, you finally might start making some sense.

    Okay Cecelia, I get it...You take this site WAY seriously. You take your fascination / love / hate / admiration / frustration of Olbermann WAY seriously. You take your defense of other like-minded folks WAY seriously. It kinda sounds like you might have a crush on him. If you could just get him to think the way you think he should.

    If that's the way you want to live your life...Groovy! I happen to think it's a little loony, but hey, different strokes...

    Keep fighting the good fight. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish or what metrics you might use to let yourself know whether you are making progress....

    But...been here since the inception? Wow, that's hardcore. Do you think you've changed any minds? Or are you all just here to help reinfornce what you already think you know?

    Like how a misogynist is anyone who insults someone who happens to be a woman.

    Truly amazing about Broadcasting and Cable Magazine and the conversation between Olby and Max Robins...

    2002 - B&C Magazine VOTES Imus into their beloved Hall of Fame for Broadcasters and NEITHER of the them have the guts to debate whether he should be stripped of this "honor".

    Talk about Dogs the did not Bark.
    B&C Magazine is the bible of the TV industry...something that Fink Olbermann no doubt reads every week.

    Hey, as long as the "deplorable one" is piling on IMUS, why don't they go ahead and strip him of this honor?


    You're the one who's tied your identity to Olbermann, not me. I'm not here for the show, I'm here for the side show.

    To which you are an active party whether you like to admit it or not!

    Okay, enough Seriousness...

    Back to Laughing My Ass Off!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 3:59 AM
    Translation: you/olbyloons are the sideshow!

    There is something somewhat sinister about the OW concept. And they don't stop with Olbermann Cecelia. They attempt to add insult to injury by calling anyone who disgrees ridiculously inane names like 'Olbyloons'.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:40 AM
    OOOOOO! We are "sinister!" You are a self-righteous prick and an ignorant hypocrite! Oh, I almost forgot, a pathological liar!

    Cecelia, I'm going to show a little more class than you showed when you unilaterally called me a 'liar', but I will say I don't believe for on second that you actually believe that LMAO "couldn't be any dumber".

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 3:26 AM

    You mean the same "class" you used when you called her a "sanctimonious bitch," that class? The only thing you believe are Ulbermahns lies and your own lies.

    1 is spelled "one" for the mentally challenged/drunkard.

    Wow, your site sucks since it's "dramatic relaunch". Just don't give a sh-t anymore, do you?

    The fake quotes from dead people in the left margin of this site tells the uninitiated all they need to know about this site...

    It's a JOKE!

    (one that Cecelia has been taking WAY seriously since it's inception!)

    and that's why I'm...

    RoyalKing (Jeff), being stupid enough to think he's actually insulting me again: "You are a self-righteous prick! Oh, I almost forgot, a pathological liar."

    Tsk tsk Jeff!... I see you've been one busy little lying moron this morning again!

    Jeff believes that if he just responds....if he just responds ENOUGH times....then people will decide that he's not really the total moron that he keep proving himself to be.

    I believe you stole "pathological liar" from me. But you see Jeff....you really ARE a pathological liar, and thats' the only reason I called you one...I'm not.

    And Jeff, why aren't you still calling me LMAO or who knows who else this morning? Have you FINALLY figured out you've been lying about all of that nonsense for all of this time?

    That was awesome when Shabazz called Malkin a Political Whore and she was just beside herself with anger. She could barely continue the interview.

    Too Funny!

    Posted by: LMAO at April 13, 2007 1:33 AM

    Nice lie LAMEO, after she was called a whore by the racist, she told him that he was the only whore in the interview. She then proceeded to destroy Shazam’s credibility when she asks him if he had even spoken to the woman who accused the Lacrosse players of rape. His answer was priceless "DAHDAHADAH SURE".

    " ...after she was called a whore by the racist, she told him that he was the only whore in the interview."

    Yeah, that 'I know you are but what am I' was witty and clever...

    She's obviously of superior intellect...

    Perhaps O'Reilly can have his 'body language expert' on to review the exchange so we can tell what Malkin was really thinking.

    Your denying she had her feathers ruffled?

    You must be from Olbyplanet!

    You Olbyloons are all the same...

    He's your obsession and your focus...

    Must be a fun way to live your life...

    And that's the talking points memo kool-aid packet for the day...

    Still Laughing My Ass Off!

    I swear to god we just lost all the emails. They just aren't there, we don't think. We're still checking and double triple checking to make sure they aren't there because that could be evidence. You see, we were using this Republican political server to conduct the official business so it would be distinct from the political business, with the one and the other going on the other system back and forth this way and that you see. Just a miscalculation there. Nothing intentional at all.

    Anyway somehow everyone must have emptied their in boxes at exactly the same time! That's just like when you flush all the toilets at the same time we think. It's really really bad, it starts zeroing out all the data, on all the servers in Chattanooga, apparently. Yup, it zeros it out and then writes zeros over the zeros, and then opens up the backups and zeros that out too. Rove went down to check just to make sure that is unfortunately what happened, and it seems to be the case.

    Anyway, we're really sorry about it. We'd really like to show what those emails said, so we could clear our good names and prove we weren't trying to comandeer the justice department for electoral politics like we didn't do with the GSA either. We've only been using email for like twelve or fifteen years or something, so this kind of thing is just bound to happen with these brand new technologies no one understands.

    It's your turn. :D

    We had a lot of fun with this back in the day too.

    http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/23/whitehouse.email/

    Interesting to note the similarity, and interesting to note the differences too.

    Clintonistas "lost" the emails but they were still on the backups. The wingers just didn't want to allocate any of the scandalously large impeachment budget to restore them, perhaps realizing tapes and a dress were good enough to prove a bj had been committed.

    The Bushies did not just delete WH emails, they were using a whole different email system so that they would have control of what was kept or deleted. Goes to premeditation.

    Also one might make mention that there is perhaps some qualitative difference between lying about a bj and trying to rig the U.S.J.D. to throw elections. But then I'm particular like that.

    This jerk is crying about e-mails for some made up scandal no one cares about. How about the documents Sandy Berger stuffed down his pants from the National Archives to protect Clinton?
    How about Janet Reno burning women and children to death base on suspicion of a crime?
    How about Ron Brown "Dying in a Plane Crash" and Bill Clinton giggling about it like a schoolgirl?


    Good point Factor!

    My answers to your how-abouts would be respectively: Berger is a criminal, you're nuts, and you're nuts.

    Also that there is something qualitatively different about lying cheating and stealing to protect a reputation and lying, cheating, and stealing to screw around with our justice department and system of elections.

    Here's another jerky thing no one cares about, but it's only about disappearing evidence of torture, so who cares?

    Newsweek, February 28, 2007:
    A federal judge ruled today that suspected Al Qaeda operative Jose Padilla is mentally competent. . . . But the ruling by U.S. Judge Marcia Cooke in Miami leaves open what may be more intriguing questions than those surrounding the defendant's mental health: what happened to a crucial video recording of Padilla being interrogated in a U.S. military brig that has mysteriously disappeared?
    The disclosure that the Pentagon had lost a potentially important piece of evidence in one of the U.S. government's highest-profile terrorism cases was met with claims of incredulity by some defense lawyers and human-rights groups monitoring the case. "This is the kind of thing you hear when you're litigating cases in Egypt or Morocco or Karachi," said John Sifton, a lawyer with Human Rights Watch, one of a number of groups that has criticized the U.S. government's treatment of Padilla. "It is simply not credible that they would have lost this tape. The administration has shown repeatedly they are more interested in covering up abuses than getting to the bottom of whether people were abused."
    Alicia Valle, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Miama, said in an e-mail to NEWSWEEK that the missing DVD was "of the last interrogation of Padilla while in military custody." She further added that a lawyer for DIA had advised the court "that an exhaustive search was conducted but the [DVD] could not be located."

    I remember this strange disapperance no one gave a ?@#! about too:

    Documents that should have been written to explain gaps in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, according to regulations and outside experts.
    For example, Air National Guard regulations at the time required commanders to write an investigative report for the Air Force when Bush missed his annual medical exam in 1972. The regulations also required commanders to confirm in writing that Bush received counseling after missing five months of drills.
    No such records have been made public and the government told The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that it has released all records it can find.

    Wow Vok. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
    Defending a terroist and then you bring up the National Guard story that was debunked and cost Dan Rather his job.
    You are a true coward.
    How am I nutz. There is video of Janet Reno having children burned to death and video of Clinton giggling a Ron Brown's funeral after he had him murdered.

    Well, if you want to discuss the Clinton thing, I would have mentioned that the difference was that there were actual technical experts testifying that there was indeed a glitch, with the Clintonites.

    Of course, that the glitch was allowed to continue, and you had the testimony of one of the techies saying he was threated not to expose the problem, is a unique too...

    As for the emails being about Lewinsky, did you skip over the bit about the campaign finance investigation's lost emails?

    As for the emails being about Lewinsky, did you skip over the bit about the campaign finance investigation's lost emails?

    Yes I did. Sorry. That article just seemed to go on and on and seemed to be talking about a legitimate glitch which seemed kind of boring. Bottom line is that those emails were not even gone. They were in backups. And if it simply covered a time period, and all emails were gone from that time period, but they were still in backups, doesn't that kind of throw water on the deliberate "loss?"

    This purge thing seems a lot more obviously deliberate to me, and over a subject that stinks a whole lot worse. But that's just me.

    This purge thing seems a lot more obviously deliberate to me, and over a subject that stinks a whole lot worse. But that's just me.

    Posted by: VOK at April 13, 2007 6:26 PM

    The difference between purged emails and lost emails is certainly apparent, but I'm not sure there's much difference in purging documents in order to keep them out of someone's hands, or in laying low, not saying anything, and letting lost emails stay lost when they are subpoenaed by a congressional committee.

    We'll see how the Bush WH email glitch investigation comes out and if its ruled inadvertent.

    Can we ALL agree that MOST of our 'elected' officials are slippery when wet, and they're often 'all wet.'

    Sure why not? We've already taken a secret vote and decided you're another brainless Olbypologist.

    Excerpt
    Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
    By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I
    Had Enough?

    Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course."

    Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

    You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

    I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

    Sure why not? We've already taken a secret vote and decided you're another brainless Olbypologist.
    Posted by: Brandon at April 13, 2007 7:18 PM

    Sure, someone who calls Countdown Bland, Redundant, and Self-Righteous MUST be an Olbypologist!

    Look Brandon, I know this is hard for you to understand, but try to follow: Just because the Olbyloons are all smarter than you doesn't mean that everyone who's smarter than you is an Olbyloon.

    Anyone obsessing about Keith like you guys fits the ACTUAL definition of loon. But a good defense is a strong offense, so call everyone else crazy!

    Like 99.9% of the general population who has even heard of Keith Olbermann, I just don't see Keith as the polarizing figure that you do. I don't think Keith is all evil, nor do I see him as all good.

    So you can have your 'secret votes.'

    You can have your 'secret handshakes.'

    You can have your 'weenie roasts.'

    And you can continue to mutually masturbate eachother...

    And I'll continue to call you out for the ignorant hypocrites you are...

    And having one helluva time doing it!

    Keep on being you Brandon, you are brilliant son!

    Laughing My Ass Off!

    "...brainless Olbypologist."

    This from someone who doesn't even know the definition of Misogynist.

    Keep Spinning!

    >Sure why not? We've already taken a secret vote and decided you're another brainless Olbypologist.
    Posted by: Brandon at April 13, 2007 7:18 PM

    Royal Queen had a chance to make 20+ votes because he is fighting his 20+ imaginary "lil' mikes"

    "Sure why not? We've already taken a secret vote and decided you're another brainless Olbypologist"

    Brandon here is a challlenge for you: try thinking for once in your life. See if you can do it. See if you can respond to someone and point out the flaws in their arguement. instead of just resorting to calling somone a loon. While your at it take a stab at wondering for a moment if you are wrong about something. You might be suprised at what you'll come up with. Whole worlds outside of your narrow idelogical viewpoint might open up.

    I'm guilty of the name calling as well. But in my defenses I do try on occasion to see the other viewpoint. I even wonder once in a while if I might be wrong about something. Give it a try, it can be liberating.

    >Sure why not? We've already taken a secret vote and decided you're another brainless Olbypologist.
    Posted by: Brandon at April 13, 2007 7:18 PM

    Very funny that Brandon doesn't know what to think until him and his 'team' take a vote...

    'Groupthink' anyone?

    'Kool-Aid Drinker' anyone?

    'Sheeple' anyone?

    'Coxpologist' anyone?

    Too Funny!

    Laughing My Ass Off at Your Ignorance!

    Ah, Damn Craigs...you beat me to it!

    I guess it's pretty obvious to everyone but the 'establishment' here.

    Don Imus does not deserve half of the outcry to his slip-of-tongue. This is just a bandwagon with full victimization.

    "Don Imus does not deserve half of the outcry to his slip-of-tongue. This is just a bandwagon with full victimization."

    He said a stupid, insensitive thing. Just about everyone I have ever met has done that. It should have been over at his apology.

    No one has mentioned this yet, but it was pretty funny watching Malkin try to put words in Dick Morris's mouth on "The Factor" last night...without success, I might add. Morris, the new hero of the Clinton haters just wouldn't go along, to Malkin's obvious chagrin.

    Malkin kept saying that Obama's waiting until until the second news cycle day before calling for Imus's firing somehow was somehow hypocritical, even though most of the candidates never took a stand at all.

    To Morris's credit, he refused play the Obama bashing game. Maybe Fox can cancel his contract for not being enough of a "loyal Bushie"!

    Al Sharpton may have 'won' his battle to take down Imus, but I believe he has lost much of the stature he had recently built up in the process. I've heard very little positive about Sharpton coming out of this from anyone. I know that my respect for Sharpton has dropped several notches for taking such a hypocritical hard line stand....while leaving no room for compromise.

    Thank you David Gregory for at least making Sharpton squirm a little regarding his own hypocrisy.

    I think the final say on Imus's fate SHOULD have been up to those young women he insulted....after he met with them. They were the only ones morally entitled to make a final judgement on this man.

    David Gregory used the Imus show for his own publicity too. None of the other candidates spoke out because they have all used the Imus show as a platform. Obama was a guest once I think in 1998, not recently. Hillary Clinton would never have appeared because Imus et al trashed her constantly (her nickname was Satan). AL Sharpton has been made to squirm before and it makes absolutely no impact on him.

    "nappy" + "headed" x "hos" = the worst crime ever commited in the history of mankind.

    >None of the other candidates spoke out because they have all used the Imus show as a platform.

    Uh...oh... why would anyone step up to defend someone else's stupidity?

    Only someone equally as stupid, like those defending mAnn Coulter's "fag Edwards" remark.
    Or Billdo defending Limpo.

    And the RWingers "taking down" Imus means nothing... oh... wait... they are still doing victory laps.

    "Uh...oh... why would anyone step up to defend someone else's stupidity?"

    Good question. A question that should be directed at Cecelia and Johnny for repeatedly defending Jeff's stupidity.

    The reason is obvious though....he's on their 'team', even if he does keep fumbling the ball every time he gets his hands on it.

    Only someone equally as stupid, like those defending mAnn Coulter's "fag Edwards" remark.
    Or Billdo defending Limpo.

    And the RWingers "taking down" Imus means nothing... oh... wait... they are still doing victory laps.


    Posted by: Average American Patriot at April 13, 2007 8:40 PM
    un american pat-What's the diff between Bill O'Reilly defending Rush Limbaugh and you defending Ulbermahn on a daily basis?

    The reason is obvious though....he's on their 'team', even if he does keep fumbling the ball every time he gets his hands on it.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 8:49 PM
    One deranged "person's" opinion. Short straws, reach, reach. One day you might actually get a hold of one.

    >you defending Ulbermahn on a daily basis?

    Have you noticed, BUSHWIPE?

    Of course not.
    I don't defend K.O.
    As I've said before, I come here to laugh at your paranoid hallucinations.

    Because even without K.O., you Bush Supporters are still BUSHWIPE PARANOID MORONS.

    Thank you Bob!

    And the RWingers "taking down" Imus means nothing... oh... wait... they are still doing victory laps.


    Posted by: Average American Patriot at April 13, 2007 8:40 PM
    Right wingers run More Snot Nosed Broad- Casters? Really No sh-t? Right wingers run CBS? No sh-t? Who would have thought? Les Moonves is a right winger, too? Well I'll be......

    Jeff nonsense: "un-american pat-What's the diff between Bill O'Reilly defending Rush Limbaugh and you defending Ulbermahn on a daily basis."

    Uh, for one thing moron, I think it's probably safe to say Average American Patriot isn't paid $10 million a year to defend Olbermann.

    And, oh yeah, Jeff....the only one on this board spewing out 'un-American' rhetoric is YOU!

    pat, an olbyloon in denial. I wouldn't admit the fact I defended some pile like Ulbermahn, either. lil mikey says the same thing, "I don't defend Olbermann!" Will anybody actually admit it? All cowards? Come here to laugh at us? Really? Now you got me laughing, thanks for that! Thanks pat!

    Jeffism" "More Snot Nosed Broad- Casters?"

    Looky, Jeff has made another funny! That would get you one hug LMAO in any typical second grade classroom.

    Jeff, who is me today?

    Is it Patriot, LMAO, Craigs, VOK, or was it that 'anon' at 8:38?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    Jeff nonsense: "un-american pat-What's the diff between Bill O'Reilly defending Rush Limbaugh and you defending Ulbermahn on a daily basis."

    Uh, for one thing moron, I think it's probably safe to say Average American Patriot isn't paid $10 million a year to defend Olbermann.

    And, oh yeah, Jeff....the only one on this board spewing out 'un-American' rhetoric is YOU!

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 8:58 PM
    Let me get this straight. Just because Bill O'Reilly makes 10 mil he's not allowed to defend anyone? Only you and pat are allowed to because you don't have jobs? How long did it take you to come up with a half assed attemt to speak for pat? Interject? Not you. Oh, that's right, this is your blog, you say who can do what and when. Who is smart and who is not, who is an olbyloon and who is not, etc.

    Jeff, who is me today?

    Is it Patriot, LMAO, Craigs, VOK, or was it that 'anon' at 8:38?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 9:07 PM
    What's sad is I don't think even you can answer that one. I could give a rats ass what name you hide behind, I think it's funny when you have denied it in the past when it was so obvious. Most of the time when I would say another poster was you, you would deny it, but the "other" poster never came on and said I was wrong. Make sense?

    No one is going to defend what Imus said. James Carvelle called Imus a friend, said he was a good person who said a remarkably stupid thing, ... . Although Harold Ford did not come out on any program, he did issue a statement calling Imus a friend but not defending the comment. Imus is also friends with Pat Buchanan and a host of others.

    Jeff says I say "Who is smart and who is not,"

    Yea, yea, yea....but you're the only one I've called a moron! There's a good reason for that Jeff...it's the truth.

    Jeff again: "Just because Bill O'Reilly makes 10 mil he's not allowed to defend anyone?"

    I don't remember saying that Jeff...you asked what the difference was...and I told you.

    Jeff spew again: "Only you and Pat are allowed to because you don't have jobs?"

    Gosh Jeff, you're right for a change....I DON'T have a job, I just have a dumb old business. I guess I oughta just scuttle this here business nonsense and go get me a real respectable job fondling horses.

    >Who is smart and who is not, who is an olbyloon and who is not

    Ohhhhh.... shiite.. another fine Royal Queen quote:

    "who is an olbyloon and who is not"

    Yup. Only Royal Queen is allowed to label on this site. After all, she's got her trusty magic ball in front of her.

    Jeffism" "More Snot Nosed Broad- Casters?"

    Looky, Jeff has made another funny! That would get you one hug LMAO in any typical second grade classroom.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 9:04 PM
    shows how observant you are, I've been saying that for years.

    From the Washington Post (from Drudge earlier today) A good article on the timeline. I didn't realize the comment was made so early in the day. It makes sense that a watchdog organization caught it. This is just a clip.


    UNHORSED JOCKEY
    Behind the Fall of Imus,
    A Digital Brush Fire
    In a Blur, Watchdogs, Blogs, Email, Spur
    Radio Host's Firing
    By BROOKS BARNES, EMILY STEEL and SARAH MCBRIDE
    April 13, 2007; Page A1

    At 6:14 a.m. on Wednesday, April 4, relatively few people were tuned into the "Imus in the Morning Show" when Don Imus referred to the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed ho's."

    Ryan Chiachiere was. A 26-year-old researcher in Washington, D.C., for liberal watchdog organization Media Matters for America, he was assigned to monitor Mr. Imus's program. Mr. Chiachiere clipped the video, alerted his bosses and started working on a blog post for the organization's Web site.

    Who is smart and who is not, who is an olbyloon and who is not

    Ohhhhh.... shiite.. another fine Royal Queen quote:

    "who is an olbyloon and who is not"

    Yup. Only Royal Queen is allowed to label on this site. After all, she's got her trusty magic ball in front of her.

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at April 13, 2007 9:18 PM
    Hey, you put words in people's mouths too, don't you? lil mikey is famous for that, too. Is that common with you olbyloons? You have nothing intelligent to say, so you just try to insinuate things?

    Jeff lies again: "I could give a rats ass what name you hide behind."

    Sure Jeff....all of your numerous and very stupid rants accusing practically everyone else on this board as being me really makes your case on that point, doesn't it Jeff?

    Jeff spewing out still more nonsense: "makes sense?"

    No Jeff, nothing that has ever came out of your keyboard on this board has made 'sense', but keep on trying, there just might be a first time!

    Ryan Chiachiere was. A 26-year-old researcher in Washington, D.C., for liberal watchdog organization Media Matters for America, he was assigned to monitor Mr. Imus's program. Mr. Chiachiere clipped the video, alerted his bosses and started working on a blog post for the organization's Web site.

    Posted by: Sharon at April 13, 2007 9:24 PM
    That can't be Sharon, pat said the "right wingers" were behind the whole thing. pat knows all, he and lil mikey, anyways.

    Of course because after all, this came from Drudge, even though it was a link to the Post.

    Of course because after all, this came from Drudge, even though it was a link to the Post.

    Jeff: "pat knows all, he and lil mikey, anyways."

    Now wait just a minute Jeff! I thought I WAS 'pat'?

    lil mikey, you're batting 1000, again. You haven't backed up anything you have said, yet. Just divert, divert, divert, spin, spin, spin. Not that would expect anything different from you.

    Sorry for the repeat, having trouble with the connection.

    Now wait just a minute Jeff! I thought I WAS 'pat'?

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 9:36 PM
    like I said, I could give a rats ass who you want to hide behind. More diversion.

    "pat, an olbyloon in denial. I wouldn't admit the fact I defended some pile like Ulbermahn, either. lil mikey says the same thing, "I don't defend Olbermann!'"

    Royal king I'm going to give you the same advice I gave brandon--try thinking! In my time on this board I have seen ALMOST NO ONE defend Olbermann.

    People have attacked Bush; people have taken swipes at Fox news; people have have argued progessive or Liberal positions; people have argued against the war; people have argued that climate change is real. Yet, almost noone comes here trying to convince right wingers that Olbermann is some messiah. Yet people such as yourself keep calling everyone Olbyloons. It makes you look foolish.


    Here some advice if you refuse to think. Try calling people names that reflect what they are complaining about. How about Liberalaloon, Or Crazy-Bush-Hater, or Enviro-nut? At least if you were calling people something along those lines it might fit.

    Oh and see if you can get in a debate here. Try defending the merits of your beliefs instead of worrying about if Mike is elvis, the pink Panther or some anon poster.

    Jeff: "lil mikey, you're batting 1000 again."

    Thanks Jeff, but I wouldn't say I was quite batting '1000'...I mean 1000 IS perfect, you know.

    I think I'm actually batting more like .999 overall....although I certainly am batting '1000' when it comes to you. But batting against you is a lot like playing t-ball, and probably should not count.

    Isn't it time for LMAO to launch into a useless name-calling tirade?

    She's still at the bar, happy hour.

    Craigs,

    If you haven't seen anyone defend Olbermann, you just must have been fortunate. It happens all the time.

    craigs, no loons will admit to anything, even when they are proven wrong, hypocritical right in front of their face. They spin, spin, divert, divert and say they "never said that." Read lil mikey's posts above, perfect examples. Never said this, never said that, bla, bla, bla. He thinks I already forgot, but, he's wrong.

    Jeff: "like I said, I don't give a rats ass who you want to hide behind."

    Oh nooooo Jeff, snif! But you USED to care! Does this mean our relationship is over? I there somebody new?

    "If you haven't seen anyone defend Olbermann, you just must have been fortunate. It happens all the time."

    I said almost no one. Not no one. It happens but it seems infrequent. In fact
    of about 160 posts on this thread. I found one person named Tom saying something about Olbermann's impressive rise in ratings. The rest were pretty much negative

    Even LMAO who I'm sure you would label an Olbyloon said he found the show "Bland and boring"


    "craigs, no loons will admit to anything, even when they are proven wrong, hypocritical right in front of their face. They spin, spin, divert, divert and say they "never said that." Read lil mikey's posts above, perfect examples. Never said this, never said that, bla, bla, bla. He thinks I already forgot, but, he's wrong."

    Offer some evidence. use his own quotes against him. Make him defend his argument. You are calling things lies and distortions without naming why they are such. You are not arguing. You are name calling. I know the difference because to be honest I do it all the time.

    Here some advice if you refuse to think. Try calling people names that reflect what they are complaining about. How about Liberalaloon, Or Crazy-Bush-Hater, or Enviro-nut? At least if you were calling people something along those lines it might fit.

    Oh and see if you can get in a debate here. Try defending the merits of your beliefs instead of worrying about if Mike is elvis, the pink Panther or some anon poster.


    Posted by: craigs at April 13, 2007 9:41 PM
    craigy, this is not hate bush watch, liberal watch, enviro watch. It is Olbermannwatch, hence, the term olbyloon. Clear? Make sense, now? Right now, I betcha Brandon is chiseling your advice to him on a piece of rock as we speak, so he is sure to never forget it!

    "craigy, this is not hate bush watch, liberal watch, enviro watch. It is Olbermannwatch, hence, the term olbyloon. Clear? Make sense, now? Right now, I betcha Brandon is chiseling your advice to him on a piece of rock as we speak, so he is sure to never forget it! "

    Wow, this is olbermanwatch? So anyone who is not talking about olbermann,not defending olbermann, but comes here talking about a liberal topic must be an olbyloon? That is some first class logic there. Thanks for clarifying it for me. You still look foolish.

    Craigs, I'm pretty sure you've figured out by now that Jeff doesn't 'debate'. Jeff doesn't even know what 'debate' is.

    Trying to 'debate' Jeff is tantamount to trying to debate a five year old.

    Jeff is a lot of fun though! You can look at his simplistic little world, and then it becomes SO clear why so many right wingers are blind followers of the worst administration in American history.

    Wow, this is olbermanwatch? So anyone who is not talking about olbermann,not defending olbermann, but comes here talking about a liberal topic must be an olbyloon? That is some first class logic there. Thanks for clarifying it for me. You still look foolish.

    Posted by: craigs at April 13, 2007 10:01 PM
    The point blazed right over your head, like it does with lil mikey. He ran scared from a simple debate and has the "no balls" to accuse me of not being able to debate. Priceless, don't change lil itty bitty mikey!

    "Craigs, I'm pretty sure you've figured out by now that Jeff doesn't 'debate'. Jeff doesn't even know what 'debate' is. "

    It's interesting but very few people debate on this site. I don't think I come here to do it. I come because it is fun to get into a flame war on occasion, and the way this board is setup you are guaranteed to get into one right quick.

    I suppose I am coming off a little holier than thou because I'm as guilty as anyone. But it is nice when people are open to looking at an opposing argument on it's merits, and responding to it, instead of just calling their opponent names.

    Oh well, I guess I'll show everyone what a hypocrite I am by picking a flame war in a few posts.



    On occasion I go over to wizbangblog. Which is another conservative blog and with a few exceptions most of the debates are fairly civil and well argued.

    Craigs: Jeff's 'points' are just a 'blazing' right over our heads!

    My mentally challenged little nephew was trying to make a 'point' to me just this last weekend. To his frustration, his 'point' "blazed right over my head" too...just like jeff's!

    "The point blazed right over your head, like it does with lil mikey. He ran scared from a simple debate and has the "no balls" to accuse me of not being able to debate. Priceless, don't change lil itty bitty mikey!"

    What was your point exactly? That this site is Olbermannwatch? I agree with that. In fact when I look at the Url in my web browser it says "www.olbermannwatch.com"

    Now perhaps you can explain how I'm an olbyloon? To summerize my feelings on Olbermann, I think he is funny ( I also think Rush Limbaugh is funny) I think he is biased, I think he is Demogogic ( I also think Hannity and O'reilly are guilty of that)

    So what in that post makes me an olbyloon? Be specific if you don't mind. I'd like to really understand how you get to be an olbyloon.


    Go to FAQ on April 11. Johnny posted the frequently asked questions and you'll see if you qualify or not.

    Ahh hell, I've changed my mind. Where is Cecelia? Besides being the best right wing debator on this site, she is the funnest to get into a flame war with.

    Craigs, there actually DID used to be some actual debate on this board, but a couple of 'Jeff's' have kind of taken it over lately....making any real debate almost impossible.

    I certainly wouldn't come here if it wasn't fun to ridicule a mental case like Jeff. It's kind of like shooting fish in a barrel though.

    It really fascinates me that a character with Jeff's mentality might actually exist in real life.

    I keep thinking that any day now, we're going to find out that 'Jeff' was actually a left wing troll intentionally posting stupid stuff just to make the right look even worse than they actually are.

    Here it is:

    Q. What's an OlbyLoon?
    A. Generally, any person who is a fan of Keith Olbermann or otherwise takes him seriously. If you have ever said "He's the Edward R. Murrow of our generation" then you are an OlbyLoon. If you have ever said "Keith is speaking truth to power" then you are an OlbyLoon. If you have ever said "you go, girl" while watching Keith deliver a "special comment" then you are an OlbyLoon. If you come to a site dedicated to mocking Keith Olbermann and leave comments on the site bitching about how unfairly Keith is treated on that site then you are an OlbyLoon. If you get into an argument with the editor of this site you are also probably an OlbyLoon; at the very least you are most likely wrong.

    The DSM IV criteria for the diagnosis of "Olbyloon Disorder"

    Go to FAQ on April 11. Johnny posted the frequently asked questions and you'll see if you qualify or not

    "Go to FAQ on April 11. Johnny posted the frequently asked questions and you'll see if you qualify or not"

    Say Sharon, are you going to respond to my previous post? I haven't had a chance to read the faq yet but does refuting a olbyhater's argument qualify me?

    Sharon: All of your 'Olbyloon' points were pretty silly, but the most ridiculous one of all was "If you get into an argument with the editor of this site, you are probably an Olbyloon; at the very least you are most likely to be wrong."

    Really Sharon! You really sound like your side virtually worships at the twin alters of Johnny Dollar and Robert Cox.

    Is this site a cult, with both of them as your ever righteous leaders? Maybe thats what I've been missing here?

    That said, I've always been a little fascinated with cult leaders....as well as their loony followers. In some cases, they can make their followers drink poison, and abandon their own loved ones forever.

    An amazing but very sad study in human nature.

    Wow all that''s in the DSM IV? Funny but I can't find it in my copy of the latest edition. You sure you don't have an advanced copy of the new edition?

    Oh wait I get it, you were making a funny. very clever.

    So the structure of the joke works like this:

    If you like Olbermann for any reason or disagree with Dollar (for any reason) you are a loon.

    You even wrote a mock DSM IV diagnosis. ha ha that's very clever. I get it . Wow and people say conservatives don't have a sense of humour. between, the 1/2 news hour and this I beg to differ.

    I have a pretty good memory for what transpires when I am here. I can't spend as much time here as others so I can't give a qualified opinion. I consider obfuscation, circular reasoning, denial in the face of the obvious, the sign of an Olbyloon.

    Now, I don't want to pick on Mike. Awhile ago, he was pretty decent to me. Then, unexpectedly, when you were posting as it happens, last week or so, he questioned my sincerity because I adamantly (and rightly) insisted Olby spiked the Iran hostage crisis because he had been vehemently arguing that the Bush administration was looking for a fight with Iran. Then the Iranians committed an act that in effect, was an act of war (capturing Brits who were in Iraqi waters). It appeared to be dicey for a time, actually, over a week. No comment from Olby.

    Now, you were posting the night that Mike tried to find other reasons as to why Olby would not cover the story, none of which were logical. During the course of the discussion, Mike questioned my sincerity. When I replayed his words after that event, he claimed that he said that because I was usually more open-minded about the war. Huh? The discussion was not about the war. So, is Mike an Olbyloon? I don't know. I report, you decide: ) (denial when facts are presented that are undisputed). (he also said that I accused him of anonymous late night attacks but he apologized. Nonetheless, the second barb came not long after). All is forgiven Mike. Olbyland is not my life!

    Craigs,

    I just cut and paste- that is Johnny $'s stuff.

    It takes awhile to catch up wit the comments here:

    REPEAT: I JUST CUT AND PASTE FROM THE FAQ! I THOUGHT YOU REALIZED THAT! I REFERRED YOU TO THE Q&A, THEN STATED, HERE IT IS.

    PLEASE KEEP YOUR HEADS IN THE GAME!

    "I consider obfuscation, circular reasoning, denial in the face of the obvious, the sign of an Olbyloon. "

    Sharon by that line of reasoning Brandon, RK, puck, and others are certainly olbyloons. I mean, I could use Rk's posts as a demonstration in a logical fallcy post.

    "I consider obfuscation, circular reasoning, denial in the face of the obvious, the sign of an Olbyloon. "

    Sharon by that line of reasoning Brandon, RK, puck, and others are certainly olbyloons. I mean, I could use Rk's posts as a demonstration in a logical fallcy class

    "REPEAT: I JUST CUT AND PASTE FROM THE FAQ! I THOUGHT YOU REALIZED THAT! I REFERRED YOU TO THE Q&A, THEN STATED, HERE IT IS.

    PLEASE KEEP YOUR HEADS IN THE GAME!"

    My head is in the game. I was asking what an olbyloon was not because I really care. I was doing it to demonstrate to RK the logical fallcy is in argument of calling someone who really doesn't care much about olby either way an olbyloon.

    That was my own definition. Take Bob, for instance. Very intelligent. Professor and all. He was touting a report to prove most Iraqis want the U.S. out. I quoted some language that weakened his point from the same report. He started accusing me, Where is your proof (of the statements I was quoting). When he realized what had happened, he obfuscated. It is the same kind of behavior of Keith Olbermann, whom I used to somewhat appreciate until he starting going off the deep end (in my opinion). And that is when I ofunf this site.

    oops, found this site

    "That was my own definition. Take Bob, for instance. Very intelligent. Professor and all. He was touting a report to prove most Iraqis want the U.S. out. I quoted some language that weakened his point from the same report. He started accusing me, Where is your proof (of the statements I was quoting). When he realized what had happened, he obfuscated. It is the same kind of behavior of Keith Olbermann, whom I used to somewhat appreciate until he starting going off the deep end (in my opinion). And that is when I ofunf this site."


    Well your definition would make bob a loon in that case it would also make Rk and brandon and puck loons as well. If I can demonstrate Johnny Dollar has done the same would you agree he too is an olbyloon?

    Sharon: What puzzles me most is why you would refuse to accept my explanation as to why I WASN'T "questioning your sincerity"? How can YOU pretend to know what I was thinking? All you have is your interpretation as to what you THOUGHT I meant....yet you stick with that.

    If I had been actually "questioning your sincerity" Sharon, as you keep saying I was, you can take it to the bank that I would have admitted it.

    Maybe that is also why you find it impossible to accept that there may be other motives for what Olbermann says and does than the ones you theorize.

    This MAY be why the left and the right find it so difficult to talk to each other. Your side seems to draw fixed conclusions...and then stick with those conclusions, come hell or high water. My side tends to continually ask questions while always keeping an open mind to the possiblity that all is not as it seems....or the way we were taught it is.

    Mike,

    You questioned my sincerity on a discussion of the Iran hostage and then said that I used to be open minded about the war. That just doesn't make sense. Mike, I quoted you. Those were your exact words. ANd it came out of nowhere. I had not been addressing you. (Not that I mind interjections at all). I think you felt ganged up on but you were just making extremely weak (at best) points to support Olbermann in that case. He spiked the story. After the story resolved, Olbermann then spoke about it as if he had covered it all along. That blows any theory as to why he was not covering it at all. Open mindedness is one thing, but ridiculous speculation (to explain Olby) is another. To each his own!

    I don't see those guys in the same light as you. Look, guys are guys. They get off point easily. Did you ever see "White Men Can't Jump"? The characters were ready to brawl but then they all noticed the game on t.v. and became wrapped up in that. That's how I see most people here. Bob, on the other hand, is just a bully as is Why Do You Care What My Name is and a couple others.

    11:24 was directed to Craigs.

    Gotta run. Hubby is home, my little one fell asleep on the couch.

    "That's how I see most people here. Bob, on the other hand, is just a bully as is Why Do You Care What My Name is and a couple others."

    It is interesting sharon that everyone you see as a "bully" is a liberal. I really don't have to look very far to find Johnny Dollar engaging in bullying behavior. or RK for that matter. Yet despite meeting every requirement you have given in your definition of an olbyloon you don't think they are. but when Bob does the same actions he becomes an olbyloon.

    I'm not saying my side doesn't do this as well or even that I don't do it. I just think it is important to look at whether you are siding with someone because you agree with their reasoning or because you have similar views about which party should be in charge.

    Again i do this myself ALL the time. I'm just in a weird mood right now where I am wanting to make sure my own thinking is sound and in the process, I'm of course projecting on everyone else and looking at their thinking. take it for what's it worth or not at all.

    I'm lecturing a lot and I don't mean to come off that way. I do all of these things myself and

    Craigs,

    I don't take offense at you. Everyone is guilty of many of the same offenses here. Bob and Why Do You Care are just completely hateful. I see Hannity as a bully and I have no respect for him at all after his treatment of a priest on his show. (I really didn't care for Hannity prior to that). Mike is not usually offensive either. Rk just gets him all wound up. I have really conservative views. I actually hate to say conservative because that makes me sound like a Bush worshiper, which I am not. I consider myself a Christian first and am not always the best example of that. I come here for an outlet to debate but really get too caught up. I will probably take some time away here for more important matters (family, sleep, ...) See Ya!

    Sharon:

    1) - "but ridiculous speculation (to explain Olby)": That's your opinion, not an established fact.

    2) - "You questioned my sincerity on the discussion of the Iran hostage": Once again, that's your opinion, not an established fact. Again, it's simply your interpretation of what you thought I was doing. The only way it can be established fact is if you can quote where I used the words "I question your sincerity". I told you what I meant and I was telling the truth. I may well have been guilty of injecting myself into a discussion without appreciating the precise context or subject matter, but I was never "questioning your sincerity". If you can show me those exact quotes, I will certainly apologize and admit I was wrong. Otherwise, you are claiming I implied something I never even thought, which makes no sense.

    3) -I never understood why it angered Cecelia that I was willing to make a speculation about a possible reason for KO's lack of coverage of this story, but I was unwilling to fully defend or justify that speculation in detail. That would only have been possible if I actually WERE Keith Olbermann. If you'll remember, I was simply avoiding being judgemental about his lack of coverage. I also SAID I thought he should have covered it.

    4) - "you felt ganged up on": To a large extent, that was true. My mistake that night was trying to deal with all comers. In hindsight, I should have focused on one other poster and kept my concentration there. However, I do try to learn from my mistakes.

    I see your gone for the night, but maybe you'll read this tomorrow.

    This MAY be why the left and the right find it so difficult to talk to each other. Your side seems to draw fixed conclusions...and then stick with those conclusions, come hell or high water. My side tends to continually ask questions while always keeping an open mind to the possiblity that all is not as it seems....or the way we were taught it is.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 11:08 PM
    Speaking for both sides, again? You better put some more thought to it. Both are dead wrong. Established fact.

    That said, I've always been a little fascinated with cult leaders....as well as their loony followers. In some cases, they can make their followers drink poison, and abandon their own loved ones forever.

    An amazing but very sad study in human nature.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 10:47 PM
    This explains your fascination with Ulbermahn perfectly. Thanks Mike.

    It really fascinates me that a character with Jeff's mentality might actually exist in real life.

    I keep thinking that any day now, we're going to find out that 'Jeff' was actually a left wing troll intentionally posting stupid stuff just to make the right look even worse than they actually are.

    Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2007 10:35 PM
    And visa versa. More of you self-righteousness/desperation. What a joke.

    Here, in a nutshell is the only debate 'point' or 'counterpoint' Jeff has ever made, and he just did it again...in triplicate:

    "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?"

    You're definitely one for the ages cowboy!

    This is the last time I am going to quote it:

    Sharon: You USED to be much more objective and not so one sided as you seem to be today.

    Was that all an act, or was there another Sharon?

    Posted by Mike at March 30, 2007 11:01 PM

    I really don't care about it anymore, Mike. This was in the context of the Iran hostage situation. And I apologize: you didn't
    exactly interject because everyone was commenting. But you WERE just angry that I did not take your side. I am going now ...

    Can you go back and find a single post where I said "exactly" that? Put your money where you big fat trap is. "If you can show me those exact quotes," to quote the, by far, biggets hypocrite on the internet.

    Sharon: All of your 'Olbyloon' points were pretty silly, but the most ridiculous one of all was "If you get into an argument with the editor of this site, you are probably an Olbyloon; at the very least you are most likely to be wrong."

    And just one more point to boot: I was quoting Johnny $ from the FAQ and you assumed those were my words. I made the correction but I think it got lost in translation.

    2) - "You questioned my sincerity on the discussion of the Iran hostage": Once again, that's your opinion, not an established fact. Again, it's simply your interpretation of what you thought I was doing. The only way it can be established fact is if you can quote where I used the words "I question your sincerity". I told you what I meant and I was telling the truth. I may well have been guilty of injecting myself into a discussion without appreciating the precise context or subject matter, but I was never "questioning your sincerity". If you can show me those exact quotes, I will certainly apologize and admit I was wrong. Otherwise, you are claiming I implied something I never even thought, which makes no sense.
    Here, in a nutshell is the only debate 'point' or 'counterpoint' Jeff has ever made, and he just did it again...in triplicate:

    "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?"

    You're definitely one for the ages cowboy!

    Posted by: Mike at April 14, 2007 12:57 AM
    In a nut's nut shell. Can you find where I said this, hypoloon?

    >It really fascinates me that a character with Jeff's mentality might actually exist in real life.

    And that's exactly what I told Bob to keep this site going.

    Royal Queen is like the mythical giant squid;
    tales of its ferociousness and ugliness have been told, unbelievable until one actually runs into Royal Queen.

    Thank you Bob, for the RWing freak show your journalistic zeal manages!

    "pat, an olbyloon in denial. I wouldn't admit the fact I defended some pile like Ulbermahn, either. lil mikey says the same thing, "I don't defend Olbermann!" Will anybody actually admit it? All cowards? Come here to laugh at us? Really? Now you got me laughing, thanks for that! Thanks pat!
    Posted by: royalking at April 13, 2007 9:02 PM "

    RK, you just hit it out of the park!

    All of KO's sycophantic acolytes (I do hope there are no Chicken Bloggers around to become distressed) merely come here not to praise KO, but to bury us.:)

    Grammie

    "pat, an olbyloon in denial. I wouldn't admit the fact I defended some pile like Ulbermahn, either. lil mikey says the same thing, "I don't defend Olbermann!" Will anybody actually admit it? All cowards? Come here to laugh at us? Really? Now you got me laughing, thanks for that! Thanks pat!
    Posted by: royalking at April 13, 2007 9:02 PM "

    RK, you just hit it out of the park!

    All of KO's sycophantic acolytes (I do hope there are no Chicken Bloggers around to become distressed) merely come here not to praise KO, but to bury us.:)

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at April 14, 2007 1:49 AM
    Thanks Janet, good to hear from you, been a while.

    Since Good Friday, I think, RK.

    The holiday weekend was busy and afterwards I found myself considering documenting Chicken Blogger's pick, choose and ignore lies. At that point I decided I needed a break from the site for a while.

    Glad to be back.

    Grammie

    All of KO's sycophantic acolytes (I do hope there are no Chicken Bloggers around to become distressed) merely come here not to praise KO, but to bury us.:)

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at April 14, 2007 1:49 AM
    I praise KO for all his efforts and you all buried yourselves long ago when you reelected a want to be dictator who has the depth of a fruit fly and the wisdom of a moth.

    By the end of this summer there will be resignations and the real posibilty of the impeachment of the worst administration in our countries history. Thank Keith for helping to expose a corrupt and morally bankrupt crew.