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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    April 18, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - April 18, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • IRAQ BOMBINGS; WAR SPENDING BILL: Howard Fineman, Newsweek senior Washington correspondent and political columnist
    • ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES TESTIFIES TOMORROW: Stan Brand, attorney
    • "AMERICAN IDOL": Maria Milito, radio host

    The opening spiel focused on "the killer's manifesto". It seems that NBC News was the news outlet of choice for this psychotic mass murderer. In fact, the shooting case was all the opening spiel talked about. Could it be that an entire evening of OlbySpin was thrust aside because those damn producers forced Herr Olbermann to cover actual news? Yes, indeedy. How ironic that the eeevil O'Reilly found time to deal with the spate of bombings in Iraq but Olbermahn stuck with the campus shootings for the entire hour.

    UPDATE: Transcript

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    The killer's "manifesto", sent to NBC (can you imagine Olby's chortling if it had been addressed to Fox?). Pete Williams with details. Steve Capus boasted of how responsible NBC was ("we sat on this for hours"). Clint van Zandt opined that it would have been better for this stuff never to have been made public. But somehow he managed to praise the "integrity" of his employer NBC, who made it public. Taped reportage from Lisa Myers, with Keith giving the unspooling tape Great Thanks.

    More clips from the "manifesto", analyzed by Greg McCrary, who also said this stuff shouldn't have been broadcast. Regurgitated reports on the heroes and victims. More analysis by Dr Susan Lipkins. The show was a bit repetitive; a full hour on clips and video that experts say should never have been aired? Other than that, not much one can object to in Olbermann's presentation tonight. It goes to show how much more like a newscast Countdown can be when the writing is taken away from Keith's kadre of Kos Kids and put in the hands of grown-ups.

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name rocketed to #7,076 at amazon.com, but "Culture Warrior" is #312. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome is #4,894 at Barnes & Noble; O'Reilly's book is #1,370 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Olby's one-day news-bump lasted, well, one day. On Tuesday he again lost to O'Reilly by more than three to one, and couldn't fare any better than third place, both in total viewers and in the critical, beloved, all-important, coveted "key demo".

    UPDATE: Transcript

    Read the transcript to the Wednesday show


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (109) | | View blog reactions

    109 Comments

    I have a feeling KO's going to give us an extra special "special comment" before long..he can't pass up the chance to exploit the shootings for his own personal interest (ratings).

    >By the way, good to know i'm getting underneath your skin. Wait til you see the latest Olbyloon project I'm working on!
    Posted by: Brandon at April 17, 2007 10:15 PM

    Oh the world waits with bated breath for your next ‘project.’ Getting under my skin? You wish. The only ‘skin’ you’ve gotten under is the edible condoms you try on at night when you are setting the table for ‘one.’ Brandon, you and your apologists provide me with the type of amusement people used to go the circus to find. The clowns here abound!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Hey, Mr. "strong command of the English language", the word is conscience, not conscious.
    Posted by: Kevin at April 17, 2007 10:16 PM

    Good Kevin! I was hoping someone would catch that. Yes, the word is ‘conscience.’ You know how I know? Because that’s the word I used previously. Feeling ‘had’ yet? I was wondering who would be a big enough hypocrite to ‘catch’ that. Thanks Kevin (and Sharon) now I know.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Free time. Lots and lots of free time.
    You mean like you?
    Kevin,
    I was going to make that point also (conscience).
    If you are going to insult, at least do a little proofreading. Now who is LMAO?
    Posted by: Sharon at April 17, 2007 10:21 PM

    How do you know how much free time I have or don’t have? Sharon, I don’t know you, and you don’t know me, so don’t pretend you do. Proofreading? Take your own advice. I’d be embarrassed to admit I used to be an English Teacher with the posts you make. I’ll put my typo / incorrect usage / misspelling rate (that would be incidents vs amount of words used) up against anyone here, including you-the Ex English Teacher! Who’s LMAO? That’d be me!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Thanks, Sharon. Great minds think alike.
    Posted by: Kevin at April 17, 2007 10:24 PM

    ‘Great’ example of mutual masturbation.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Do you think it's fair that this blustering clown would make more more than ME? Is it fair that a guy of his caliber would have the viewers HE has?
    That he'd be paid the money HE'S paid?
    That he'd have the popularity HE has?
    The speaking engagements....HE garners?
    The books HE writes on the NYT Best Sellers list?
    Hell, no! Ths idiot.... Bill Orally...that damn son-of-a...
    Oh wait.... you're talking about me...
    ..... nevermind...
    Sorry...
    eh....Great thanks!
    Keith Olbermann
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 17, 2007 10:30 PM

    So, if Olbermann is jealous of O’Reilly, it’s okay for the OW crew to be jealous of Olbermann? Cecelia, Cecelia, Cecelia, We don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. You should AT LEAST know THAT by now.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >I live in a gate-guarded community with not one but two golf courses. My house is worth more than you'll probably make in your miserable life and I own three luxury cars. And I have a Master's degree and a successful career, something you'll never know anything about.

    Posted by: Brandon at April 17, 2007 10:47 PM

    That ridiculous post doesn’t actually warrant a response, but my hypocrite slapping hand compels me. Funny how the Brandonpologists always like to point out when a ‘liberal’ makes a self-serving, self-congratulatory post, but let Brandon’s Megalomaniac post float on by unscathed.

    I’m genuinely happy for you Brandon. The fact that someone with your stunning intellect can become successful in America is a testament to this great country. Some of us don’t measure ‘success’ by how many luxury cars are parked in the garage. To some of us, it matters more to be happy. And, for the record, you sound like one bitter cuss. It sounds like you live in a retirement community. I don’t doubt anything you’ve said, but you seem to have omitted the fact that you still live with your parents. Do they let you take one of the ‘luxury cars’ out for a spin every once in a while?
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Jealous much? Yes, I think you are. And hey, maybe one day you'll get the courage to leave college and actually get an honest job and you can then possibly get a job cutting my lawn.

    Posted by: Brandon at April 17, 2007 11:10 PM

    Not everyone that’s smarter than you is currently in college, Brandon. Too lazy to cut your own lawn, Brandon? Not surprising. Since we’re letting our socio-economic status be known, you should know that instead of watching wrinkled old men dressed in plaid pants and funny hats swinging their clubs around, I spend my time at home taking in a 360 degree five mountain view from my 8-person hot tub. If my house was next door to yours, it would make your house more valuable.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >Thanks for the humor Cecelia. Did you see that you were referenced in the first post today by LMAO (who mysteriously has not posted again). You're a lifer here, in case you didn't know : )
    Posted by: Sharon at April 17, 2007 11:56 PM

    She knows, Sharon, she knows. But thanks Sharon for being Cecelia’s ‘watchdog.’ At least she’s keeping you busy. As for the term ‘lifer’ I concluded as much after Cecelia informed me that she’s been on this site ‘since it’s inception.’ Since it appears that she’s not going anywhere any time soon, in my opinion, that qualifies her as a ‘lifer.’ Where’s your evidence of the contrary? And why would you imply you think of that as an insult?

    Mysterious? The fact that someone would make a post, and then go off and do OTHER things is mysterious to you? Well, I can’t help you with that one.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    >lmao, oh non original one, It looks like you have a lot of free time, yourself tom make the longest post of the week, by far. We know that wasn't off the top of your "head" either. Does your boss know you spent all day working on that pointless post?
    Posted by: royalking at April 17, 2007 11:59 PM

    Yeah, the boss knows, since I’M THE BOSS. I own and operate (not one, but…) two successful businesses. ‘We’ know it was not off the top of your head? No, I actually thought about it for 10 or 15 minutes. Just because it would take YOU forever to accomplish it, doesn’t mean the same for me. Pointless? I think the reaction I got alone is proof my points were made. Please someone…take on this project for me. Take each of Jeff’s posts…Assume he took 5 minutes to read what he’s responding to, think of a witty retort, and then ‘hunt and peck’ his response on his keyboard and hit ‘post.’ Then calculate just how much time he actually spends here. Your findings will be just like the project itself (as well as Jeff’s posts)…Mind Numbing!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Long screeds on the 'unworthiness of it all', are rather like critiques of opponent's grammar and spelling.... they're bound to come back around and bite you in the butt.
    Posted by: Cecelia at April 18, 2007 12:11 AM

    Where did I say it was all ‘unworthy?’ ‘Worthiness’ is in the eye of the beholder Cecelia. If you feel it’s unworthy, I’m sorry for you, you’re the one who lives here. If you think I was implying the effort of the OW’ers is not worthwhile, then I’m afraid you missed the point of my satire entirely. Again, not surprising. I don’t critique someone’s grammar and spelling. There’s no reason. Illiteracy speaks for itself. And it speaks volumes!
    ________________________________________________________________________

    And anyone that would ‘assume’ I’m a ‘liberal’ because of my post is only debating their own prejudices. After listing a few of my ‘views’ in a quick and superficial way, Cecelia concluded that I’m ‘more conservative than most of the posters here including Bob and Johnny…”

    I don’t paint by numbers like that. If you consider yourself to be ‘100% conservative’ or ‘100% liberal’ you’re subscribing to an ideology instead of taking it issue by issue. I’m probably more liberal in some respects and more conservative in others than your ‘average’ American.

    I know that doesn’t jive with your black vs white world, but oh well, I never said I was here to make it easy on you…

    And yes, I am still Laughing My Ass Off!

    Surely Olby has seen his ratings for the past few days. Perhaps that prompted him to get with the program. Of course, NBC now has an exclusive to exploit, so he probably got his marching orders.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbc/va_tech_shootings_defend_nbcs_right_obligation_to_share_info_57348.asp

    This sure reads like an NBC press release, doesn't it?

    Especially funny is that Stelter isn't a journalist and he's telling journalists what to think.

    LMAO is super-sensitive isn't she/he/it? Awfully defensive there aren't you Olbyloon? Yeah, we're getting under your skin. So keep laughing. You can never laugh as hard at us as we do at the Keith Cultists.

    LMAO - you sound like Olby's biggest fan (besides himself, of course)

    I'm just trying to figure out if LMAO is the one who works at WalMart, the one who works at the Video Store, the one who works at the convenience store, or the one who complains bitterly about her crack-infested neighborhood and her sh-tty apartment?

    And yes, I am still Laughing My Ass Off!


    Posted by: LMAO at April 18, 2007 9:40 PM
    Don't you know anyone that can help you with your sexual frustration problem? You sound very unhappy and bitter. It's ironic you use lmao to mock me, you aren't laughing, you are horribly bitter inside. Good luck with you're problem. I suggested new batteries the other day, apparently you didn't take my advice.

    Olby was really pushing the idea that there may have been "an accomplice" mailing the package. His guests shot it down but he kept at it. A show without some kind of conspiracy theory? No, can't happen.

    This is wild. I think LAMO has an olbsession with you guys.

    He's writing down your posts and then he olbsessions with what he's going to do with them.

    It takes over his mind, floods his senses! Takes over any reason of thought!

    He can't talk about the show that was just on. He can't keep his mind on target. It's filled with the posts of Brandon, Cecelia, Sharon.

    Is it possible that he puts dolls in chairs with your names on them? And then what does he do with those dolls?

    But this simply begs the question. Why would someone who says he lives in a house such as he descibes. To have and live a rich lifestyle. To be ultra successful would bother to olbsess about the posting of others?

    And three nights in a row of rushing to be first to post I think can qualify as a OLBSESSION! Don't you?

    Cecelia, Brandon, Sharon.

    Be careful of that strange little man living out back of the 7-11. He just might have a laptop.

    And speaking of madmen. On the night Olby might have his greatest ratings ever. A madman helps him.

    How odd.

    "So, if Olbermann is jealous of O’Reilly, it’s okay for the OW crew to be jealous of Olbermann? Cecelia, Cecelia, Cecelia, We don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. You should AT LEAST know THAT by now."


    Little you know. My idea of a successful life is going from the jacuzzi to the chaise lounge. I don't have the energy to be a sports caaster and news anchor.

    But Grammie on the otherhand...

    The manifesto does have a number of class warfare lines by Cho Seung-Hui that just can't be making some of Keith's favorite websites feel very good right now (I mean, if someone at the Huffington Post or elsewhere 13 months ago had written about the accused players in the Duke lacrosse team rape case...

    "You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasn't enough. Your vodka and Cognac weren't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."

    ...would anyone have been surprised, and wouldn't many on the left have been nodding their heads in agreement? Keith would probably do well to devote another night of "Countdown" on Thursday to staying away from his favorite Internet haunts, since this figures to be something they'll have to deal with as much as sites on the right have been fighting the gun control demands since the Virginia Tech attack first occurred.

    I'd bet good money that LMAO is a female: the biggest Olbyloons are. And yes, bitter is a good term to describe them. They've been quite .......angry......since olbermann took up with the 20-year old.

    "Steve Capus boasted of how responsible NBC was ("we sat on this for hours"). Clint van Zandt opined that it would have been better for this stuff never to have been made public. But somehow he managed to praise the "integrity" of his employer NBC, who made it public."

    What's up with that? The Va StatePolice Capt. in charge at the scene priased Capus.

    What alternative did the man have?


    And who was the first choice for a psychopathic killer to send his video to? NBC: the network of choice for mentally-disturbed individuals, after all, they gave one his own show on MSNBC!

    If you are not familiar with the "It's so easy a caveman can do it" commercial, you won't have the same appreciation. Still, a must see. (concerning the weapons ban issue that Olby promoted.

    http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/223169.php

    indeedy. How ironic that the eeevil O'Reilly found time to deal with the spate of bombings in Iraq but Olbermahn stuck with the campus shootings for the entire hour.
    Warrior

    Wow. Keith "Second Place" Olbermoronn has slashed the unwatched Paula Zahn's lead to a mere 447,000 viewers and Bill O'Reilly's lead to a measly 1,758,000 viewers. Is anyone surprised that not only do Islamic terrorists adore Olbermoronn and MSDNC, but the Virginia Tech murderer also adored Olbermoronn and MSDNC enough to send them his recorded work?

    Bill O' Rielly does not realize that anything has happened. He is using standard script of partisan politics that fulfills the whole personality disorder that is evident. He is a pompous, arrogant, inflated blue collar whose only purpose seems to be proving to others how smart he is. Other Fox and otherwise anchors gave due coverage to the emergency and developments --- except for this one insignificant human being that acts all high and mighty all of the time.

    As for Keith Olbermann a.k.a. Ishmael --- the episode of Countdown before this one was much more tainted with partisan political vibes. I am not sure why he cut back to the appropriate tone for the show, but he did. He should not have reverted to that mode in the first place. Maybe this was such large news that the killer sent the suicide response to NBC News that he had to go back to emergency mode ... but it does not matter, really. I like seeing the many sides of Keith Olbermann --- including the Ishmael obsessed side in which he goes overboard with that one little fact 4 or 5 different times through the course of the program. The side that is witty. The side that seems tired. The side that is tense. The side that is sarcastic, and so on, but do not change sides to fit the current political climate.

    What was the deal with Keith Olbermann's reutterance of "Ishmael" --- "Ishmael" --- "Ishmael" --- "Ishmael" ?!?!? He kept on going and going and going and going with that miniscule element of the case --- he just kept on repeating it. It was worse than "She's and effing plant" probably because that was a joke and that this was a window into Keith Olbermann's consciousness...

    Olby and abrams are jizzing all over themselves with this sick f---'s "Manifesto" falling into their laps. I hope they rot in hell together.

    LMAO- goddamn you're a funny dude (dudette?). Your posts are the reason I've come back to this wingnut haunt 3 days in a row. Brandon- I advise you to not engage LMAO. He's been clubbing you like a baby seal all week!

    If I were Abrams or any other MSLSD staffer with an office at 30 Rock, I would clear out when Olby is in the building. Has anyone checked the pawn/gun shop records to see if Orange Boy has stopped in to get a Glock? The demeanor of the psychotic Cho in his taped "manifesto" is very Olbermann-like, especially when delivering his deranged Speshul Komments. After all, Olby has certaily not been shy in the past to encourage a heckler to "Kill yourself'. Olby's derangement + lack of self control is a dangerous mix.

    I bet Indierik and LMAO have the same IP addresses. The loons are clearly disturbed I've shone a light on their insanity. Wait til they see what I have up my sleeve for them next. By the time I'm done with them, the guy who went postal in Va will look like an amateur. I'm surprised they aren't posting how he was simply "misunderstood".

    I don't know why Keef is waiting so long to ultimately tie this VA Tech shooting back to O'Reilly. He has already tee'd it up by implying Bush is somewhat culpable due to the assault weapons ban lapse... "Keef" is so predictable... just look at his guest tonight... They hypocritical Howard Fineman who is a Imus' regular... This is Keef's line up: Fineman, Milbank, Stephanie Miller, REPEAT... Blame Bush.. REPEAT... Blame Cheney....REPEAT... Blame Rice...Repeat... Fineman, Milbank...well you get the idea...

    Here is the litmus test Gang... O'Reilly has never mentioned Olbermann's name on his program. Olbermann consistently goes after O'Reilly... Olbermann is O'Reilly's bitch.. Actually, Olbermann would be anybody's bitch. He invites abuse, it would be wrong for him not to accept it.

    We all know he is a millimeter away from having a vagina...

    "Keef" Olbermann, the worst endowed opinion/news hack in the WORLD... At least we know where his rage stems from... Especially when an amputee prostitute offers him a discount... Poor Guy... just full of rage... Seething.... Medical Science has made great strides Keef... Maybe they get the other one to drop... Hang in there Pear-Boy...

    Main Entry: [1]man·i·fes·to
    Pronunciation: "ma-n&-'fes-(")tO
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural -tos or -toes
    Etymology: Italian, denunciation, manifest, from manifestare to manifest, from Latin, from manifestus
    Date: 1647
    : a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer

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    It is nice that you posted something to imply that MSNBC was communist, but as the definition shows, what the perpetrator sent was a manifesto.

    bet Indierik and LMAO have the same IP addresses. The loons are clearly disturbed I've shone a light on their insanity. Wait til they see what I have up my sleeve for them next. By the time I'm done with them, the guy who went postal in Va will look like an amateur. I'm surprised they aren't posting how he was simply "misunderstood".

    Posted by: Brandon at April 19, 2007 12:11 AM


    Brandon, Indierek is cool jazz and LMAO is angry PMS e-mails to former work colleagues, girl friends, and university profs.

    My God! How could you jokingly make an analogy about yourself using a man who just committed the worst mass murder in history!

    Mike B.- O'Reilly did mention his name a few weeks back, once, that's why we call him Ulbermahn, that's how Bill pronounced his name.

    Calm down Ceclia. What I meant was that the OLBYLOONS would look sane in comparison. They aren't the most mentally well-hinged people in the world, much like Olbermann himsellf. Let's just be very glad that they are liberals and don't own guns or I bet they would have already mowed down anyone daring to speak a word of criticisim about their cult-leader. They remind me of the Manson Girls.

    "I bet Indierik and LMAO have the same IP addresses"

    Brandon, I really do take this as a compliment. Although I am witty (and very handsome) I fall short of matching LMAO as a wise-ass. Now stop posting for the night and figure out a way to further impress your neighbors. Surely anyone that can afford 3 luxury cars can afford 4.

    I have no need for four cars. 3 cars gives everyone in my family who can drive a car to drive. I know you're just bitter because you have to take the bus.

    Calm down Ceclia. What I meant was that the OLBYLOONS would look sane in comparison. They aren't the most mentally well-hinged people in the world, much like Olbermann himsellf. Let's just be very glad that they are liberals and don't own guns or I bet they would have already mowed down anyone daring to speak a word of criticisim about their cult-leader. They remind me of the Manson Girls.

    Posted by: Brandon at April 19, 2007 12:27 AM


    You saw the pictures of murdered people tonight. You look at them, and look at their murderer and then jokingly compare blogboard opposition to that?

    Shut the hell up.

    Bicker, with all due respect, I think Bill isn't spending a full hour on the pcycho killer at the liberal college in a liberal town because he feels it has more than enough coverage during the day, as I do. It's been covered 24/7 since it happened on every channel. It's a horrible tragedy, but, the more I hear about it the more pissed I get. This could have easily been avoided had someone stepped up, like the police or a judge. There were many red flags waved in advance. Taaaaaaaalking to him, obviously didn't work. 32 innocent people are dead, unfortunately.

    I compared them to psychopaths because they are indeed pathological when it comes to Olbermann. Do you think this shooter in Virginia started out being 100% insane from the very start? No, he no doubt had a "small start", probably ranting away just like they do about Olbermann. Trust me, it's only a matter of time before one of his crazy fans, or Olbermann himself goes postal. if you misunderstood or were offended by my post then I apologize but I am not going to shut the hell up. I've disagreed with you more than once but I had the grace to keep my mouth shut and just skip over whatever little tirade you were on instead of openly arguing with you.

    You saw the pictures of murdered people tonight. You look at them, and look at their murderer and then jokingly compare blogboard opposition to that?

    Shut the hell up.

    Posted by: Cecelia at April 19, 2007 12:40 AM

    Cecelia, when I first saw Brandons statement I thought well I hope someone responded to that or I will have to. Thank you for the best response it deserved.

    Brandon you really are a superficial jerk. I haven't taken a bus since I went to the away basketball games in high school. I'm actually fine in the transportation department- I have my commuter car (Toyota), a fun car (ole skool 5.0 Stang) and my ultra fun ride ('04 Suzuki GSXR 1000 that is piped, jetted, nitroused and carbon fibered. There is NOTHING street legal that can touch this. Zero.). So even though I wouldn't impress those in your community, I still have nice rides and I don't have any car/motorcycle payments. NO PAYMENTS = LESS HEADACHES = MORE FUN

    I like how Bill O' Rielly can muster thee most empassioned rhetoric for partisan rhetoric and page C5 stories and when something that deserves more attention and references ... Bill O' Rielly just brushes it aside, la - dee - da doo doo doo-doo do dooooo ...

    Brandon, you're clearly not 'misunderstood'. You're nothing but another low life with three luxury cars.

    Who do you think you are to be calling anyone else a 'loon' of any kind, you hypocrite?

    Coming from a known liar and a hypocrite, I refuse to take your criticisim of me seriously. You're a joke to me Mike, a one-note joke who can always be relied upon to spin some elaborate Olbypology or divert the attention away from a real discussion of your hero's flaws and faults. Is that the "lucrative" business you're so proud of? Or is it shoveling BS? You're awfully good at that. Accent on "awful".

    Damn Indierek, you're running nitrous?

    What will your GSXR run in the 1/4 mile?

    I used to drag race both of my Grand Nationals a few years ago. I've never had that much fun since.

    I compared them to psychopaths because they are indeed pathological when it comes to Olbermann. Do you think this shooter in Virginia started out being 100% insane from the very start? No, he no doubt had a "small start", probably ranting away just like they do about Olbermann. Trust me, it's only a matter of time before one of his crazy fans, or Olbermann himself goes postal. if you misunderstood or were offended by my post then I apologize but I am not going to shut the hell up. I've disagreed with you more than once but I had the grace to keep my mouth shut and just skip over whatever little tirade you were on instead of openly arguing with you.

    Posted by: Brandon at April 19, 2007 12:51 AM


    There are parents sobbing, unable to be comforted, right now... right as we speak... and you're using their killer to insult folks on a blogboard.

    Do you understand that?

    And by the way--my cars? All paid off. I don't like debt. Fortunately, it's not something I have to worry about. That's what smart investments will do for you.

    "at the liberal college in a liberal town"

    royal you really are a stereotyping idiot. As though Virginia Tech is known as the "U Cal Berkeley of the south" . . . I guess this would only be a national tragedy to you if this happened at a Republican convention.

    Brandon, I don't really give a damn whether you "take criticism from me" or not. I spoken the truth about you and so have others.

    So shut the hell up!

    And last night Olbermann tried to minimize their deaths by comparing them to American soldiers, who died in a 10-day PERIOD in Iraq and who volunteered to serve in the military and at least had the expectation they might die in battle. And what do his fans do? Flood message boards praising him for "speaking truth". He managed to insult both the grieving parents and family and friends of both the dead in Iraq AND the students and teaches in Virginia. Do YOU get that?

    And last night Olbermann tried to minimize their deaths by comparing them to American soldiers, who died in a 10-day PERIOD in Iraq and who volunteered to serve in the military and at least had the expectation they might die in battle. And what do his fans do? Flood message boards praising him for "speaking truth". He managed to insult both the grieving parents and family and friends of both the dead in Iraq AND the students and teaches in Virginia. Do YOU get that?

    Posted by: Brandon at April 19, 2007 1:01 AM


    You need to be asking YOU if you get it, dope!

    Brandon, your true colors are showing, although some saw them long ago.

    Brandon: "do YOU get that?"

    No, Brandon, only "YOU get that"! Everyone else realizes that tragedy is tragedy, wherever it occurs.

    You really are a low life where it counts...in your heart.

    You Hypocrite!

    I'm not going to argue with you anymore on this Cecelia. I've apologized and you can't seem to accept that. That's all I can do and that's all I'm going to do tonight.

    And Codas? You're not worth addressing. We KNOW what you are and we saw that the SECOND you made your first post here at Owatch.

    Sure Brandon, Codas is not "worth addressing" because he doesn't have three luxury cars waiting outside his house in his gated community", does he?

    You hypocrite!

    Codas works at a real job and comes home with sore feet and a sore back working for crumbs and is happy in his own contented mind, thank you very much. I don't need anything more than a good wife, a loyal dog and a a little blackberry wine to make me happier than all than money can make you Brandon.

    Is that the best you can do Mike?

    Codas, Brandon has shown his low life colors many times on this board. He is a sad shallow individual who actually buys the pathetic line that more money and possesions somehow makes him better than the next man.

    This guy constantly pops in and out of this board labeling all those that disageee as 'loons', while being oblivious to the fact that he is the biggest loon of all.

    I'll agree with you on the good wife, the loyal dog but blackberry wine? Give me a good beer.

    Incidently, you fool, you have never seen me rail against Exxon on this board! So once again, you are making stuff up, just like the hypocritical and pathological liar that you have proven yourself to be.

    Posted by Mike at February 1, 2007 12:23 PM

    Here's lil mikey doing what he does best, accuse people of lying with no evidence. Remember brick?

    Yes, that's right Mike. It's only okay to call Clear Thinkers names isn't it? Talk about Hypocrites. Mike is their King.

    And yes, a liar too King.

    Mike- I've done 1 test and tune since adding the spray. I blasted a 9.59 at 148 MPH. I need to improve my 60 foot. The Gixxer isn't like a Busa that's easy to keep the front wheel down.

    Grand Nationals are bad ass cars. Definitely, the quickest and best looking muscle car of the era.

    Please tell me there is a way we can blame the Boston Government f----up, you know, the light bright toys that shut the city down for a day, please tell me there is a way to blame "DUMYA". Is it not the " environment of fear" that "DUMYA" created, purely to enrichen "billionaires", that caused the poor folks of the Boston area to "freak out"?

    Posted by Bob and Mike at February 1, 2007 5:57 PM

    Looky here, booby and lil mikey, the kissin cousins.

    I am surprised that a Bush04 sticker or a Culture Warrior book was not inserted in to the VT killer video by the guy Sorros uses to doctor photos for the AP. I thought NBC would have that guy on speed dial. Maybe he is busy photo shopping more smoke on to Palestinian bomb photos.

    the way, I'm enjoying this, or I wouldn't keep it up....loosers like you would not be worth the effort otherwise. You are clearly in a pathetic minority these days.


    Posted by Mike at February 1, 2007 3:07 PM

    Look who doesn't know how to spell "Losers," remember preaching to me I couldn't spell this word because I accidentally hit the o twice and you had nothing else so you had to jump on the typo, prick?

    "Look who doesn't know how to spell "Losers (unneccessary to capitalize the 'L')," (should have ended the sentence here) (R)remember preaching to me (should have ended this as a sentence with a '?') I couldn't spell this word because I accidentally hit the o twice and you had nothing else so you had to jump on the typo,(should have ended this as a sentence with a period or a '?') (P)prick? (end this one word sentence with a period)"

    indick, you got nothing, as usual.

    A TYPO!!

    A TYPO!!


    ONLY HE WHO AMONG YOU HAS NEVER ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE "My mistake, which actually was not a mistake" KEY COME FORTH
    AND MOCK THE BOVINE QUEEN!!

    Indierek: "Grand Nationals are bad ass cars":

    I couldn't touch that 9.59 though. I got one of mine to run in the 11s, but I kept it fairly stock.

    Can you believe RoyalIdiot just pulled a post he said I did way back from FEBRUARY just to point out a spelling error? You couldn't make this guy up if you tried.

    Can you believe this, RoyalIdiot is now pulling posts from February 1rst he says are mine, why I haven't got a clue.... but they're NOT mine at all.
    '
    For starters, I've never, ever posted 'DUMYA', dumbass

    Now I see you can't even be trusted to pull from the archives honestly, you LIAR!

    Jeff we just couldn't make up a character like you if we tried!

    Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!

    "The manifesto does have a number of class warfare lines by Cho Seung-Hui that just can't be making some of Keith's favorite websites feel very good right now..."

    I'd like to explain why this is disgusting. I'd like to remember that ignorance is an excuse. And it is. And you may well be an otherwise decent person who will come to understand why this is wrong, etc. etc...But I can't bring myself to the rational retort, somehow, and it does deserve something, so please allow me this indulgence:

    F*ck you, you retarded sack of sh*t. F*ck you and anyone else that is so caught up staring up their own ignorant partisan assh*le that they parse out and repeat the babbling of a sick animal, looking for silver lining political points in disgusting, insane, unredeemable human tragedy. f--- anyone who looks for the valid points in it, f--- anyone who contemplates how wonderfully uncomfortable it must make the other, f*ck anyone who publishes it on request from a psychopathic lunatic for money or fame. F*CK YOU F*CK YOU F*CK YOU.

    God damn it.

    There. Done. Cecelia's route was better I suppose.

    VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE
    FUTURE: Has NBC ushered in a new era for multimedia?
    Tim Goodman, Chronicle Television Critic
    Thursday, April 19, 2007

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/19/MNGADPBFF41.DTL&type=tvradio

    I feel Capas, Olbermann, Williams, Matthews and the rest at NBC/MS-NBC will not lose an ounce of sleep as they gaze upon their ratings surge.

    Can you believe this, RoyalIdiot is now pulling posts from February 1rst he says are mine, why I haven't got a clue.... but they're NOT mine at all.
    '
    For starters, I've never, ever posted 'DUMYA', dumbass

    Now I see you can't even be trusted to pull from the archives honestly, you LIAR!

    Jeff we just couldn't make up a character like you if we tried!

    Posted by: Mike at April 19, 2007 2:40 AM
    It's called "evidence" of a lie. Right it off and deny it all you want. That's right out of the olbyloon playbook and you got it memorized.

    BovineQueen sez:

    It's called "evidence" of a lie. Right it off and deny it all you want. That's right out of the olbyloon playbook and you got it memorized.
    Posted by: royalking at April 19, 2007 11:35 AM

    Like when I gave you the chance to deny that you, BovineQueen, have never posted idiocy as this:

    "I don't wave a flag. I carry a gun"
    "I wear a cowboy hat, with my .44 within easy reach"

    Step right up Queenie, deny your own words.

    Here, here, here, little BUSHWIPE!

    This might be a bit off topic (but compared to some other posts here not by much) but anway I felt that, regardless of your opinion of the gun-control issue I would like folks to have a little perspective here and at least wait until the victims are buried BEFORE anyone tries to use this tragic story to score some BS political points. Keith of course was fantastically guilty of this but he was not the only one here. Also, I feel that the use of video put together by the murderer Cho while the victims families are still greiving and/or in shock is beneath comtempt for ANY decent news organization. I would condemn any news group that would give a platform for that murderer to spew his garbage from beyond the grave while his victims lay silent w/o someone to speak on their behalf. I feel that folks at NBC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing that filth to air irregardless of any future consequences it may have. And in that vein I would also condemn any other news organization that would do the same.

    "I don't wave a flag. I carry a gun"
    "I wear a cowboy hat, with my .44 within easy reach"

    Step right up Queenie, deny your own words.

    Here, here, here, little BUSHWIPE!

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at April 19, 2007 11:51 AM
    booby, you re the most childish poster on here, but , you already know this by now, I'm sure. When did I deny saying what you continue to repost? Answer, for the little baby booby, I didn't. That's your buddy, lil mikey MO, just deny anything stupid you've said in the past. Or, he even has the odacity to say that posts with his name under it aren't his! Who would want to jack his name? Nobody in their right mind would and haven't. Go back to your lincoln logs and legos, little baby booby.

    Olbermann is the next Imus in the making with his litany of insults.

    TVWeek made him the 6th most powerful newsman in the business.

    Wretch.

    It isn't "political points" to push for a ban on guns designed to kill lots of people quickly. A nation without gun control is a nation that is sucking up to the gun manufacturers.

    Trust me, they don't care who they kill...

    And, oh yeah Jeff...WHEN exactly did you say that I said you were the only one I had called a liar"? It wasn't tonight was it Jeff? I just called your arrogant friend Brandon a liar tonight, didn't I Jeff? That means I wasn't lying when I made that statement stupid!

    Brandon IS a liar, just like you....and that makes it the truth.

    Posted by: Mike at April 19, 2007 2:24 AM
    Incidently, you fool, you have never seen me rail against Exxon on this board! So once again, you are making stuff up, just like the hypocritical and pathological liar that you have proven yourself to be.

    Posted by Mike at February 1, 2007 12:23 PM

    Here it is all put together, just another one of lil mikey's LONG list of lies. The Feb 1st post was directed to Brick. Put those dancin shoes on lil mikey and get booby in your trailer or wake him up on the couch, maybe he can help you spin and deny this one. Throw in a few Bush Supporters, those are good for a laugh or two.

    Once again, Olbermann never "blamed Bush" for the VT shootings. Any implication to that effect is a lie.

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!"

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at April 19, 2007 10:26 AM

    Sir Loin of Milquetoast calls you to arms!

    So far the left's activities to end the war and have George Bush and Dick Cheney removed from office have been about as effective as Al Gore's last diet. The streets are pretty empty, Loin, and I can't stop wondering why your ruling elite has yet to pull the funding that keeps the war machine going in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    cee

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    Cee, are you happy about the additional troops that have been killed in the surge to acomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?

    Olbermann has indeed tried to blame Bush for being complicit in allowing a weapons ban to expire, neatly overlooking the fact that had the ban been extended, it still would have changed absolutely nothing in regards to the killer being able to obtain the guns and ammo that he did. His implication was clear to all but the dumbest of Olbyloons (aka Mike).

    The idea that anyone would be "happy" about the deaths in Iraq is again, another argument put forth by Mike that has zero basis in reality and is quite frankly, insulting to both the troops and those who TRULY support them. But what do we expect from Mike?

    Once again, Olbermann never "blamed Bush" for the VT shootings. Any implication to that effect is a lie.

    Posted by: Mike at April 19, 2007 1:01 PM
    Defending the indefensible. I would say that the fact he even injects the name "Bush" or the "Bush Administration" in a sentence with the Virginia massacre says just that, he is trying his best to blame Bush, even though his guests won't go that far out on a limb as he has tried getting them to do. Even if Ulbermahn said "Bush caused it" you would still try to spin it somehow, this is what we have come to expect from you.

    Cee, are you happy about the additional troops that have been killed in the surge to acomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?

    Posted by: Mike at April 19, 2007 1:22 PM
    Any evidence to prove your "absolutely nothing" theory? Or, are you just spewing again?

    I really think Cee should be a case study of some kind. Lets look at what he wrote:

    "So far the left's activities to end the war and have George Bush and Dick Cheney removed from office have been about as effective as Al Gore's last diet. The streets are pretty empty, Loin, and I can't stop wondering why yourhas yet to pull the funding that keeps the war machine going in Afghanistan and Iraq."

    Notice all the misstatements regarding Democrats positions; the oversimplifications. It's stunning really. If my brain worked the same way here is how as a liberal I would respond.

    Well Cee you got me, it looks like the rights effort to continue causing catastrophic bloodshed has been too great to stop (they really love their bloodshed) getting the right to stop a war is like getting Rush Limbaugh to stop taking prescription medication. I really don't understand why the president has not invaded five more countries I mean Venezuela is talking sh-t and Iran needs a smack down and hell we could nuke Korea just to get them out of the way, and China looks like they could be threat one day and, hell I never trusted the Ruskies anyway.

    Now I really don't beleive that the right support the war in iraq because of a love of bloodshed (except for perhaps a few crazies) I think their rational is a little less ghoulish. This is just an example of Cee's black and white thinking used in reverse.

    "Any evidence to prove your "absolutely nothing" theory? Or, are you just spewing again?"

    Uhh, RK... let me break this to you gently. Mike is not putting forth a theory. he is asking a question. If you look at his post you will see he used a question mark and everything. That's how you can tell.


    If you are still confused the following information should help:

    Question: a sentence in an interrogative form, addressed to someone in order to get information in reply.

    Theory: A coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena:

    Cee has always come across as if he is trying to taunt the democrats for their anti-war position, especially when he repeats those out of context quotes at the end of every post.

    Cee has repeatedly defined his position as being a moral question, along with the implication that anyone wanting the troops out of Iraq are taking an immoral stand, when the truth is just the opposite.

    My question was just a reminder about this. I really want to know how people like Cee are going to feel deep down inside themselves when they ultimately turn out to be wrong....but several thousand more troops have died in the interim?

    In Cee's case, I think I know. He's going to blame the Democrats!

    Sheridan (craigs)....when you (or (Mike, or LMAO or any of the other jovial leftists here at OW) join Sir Loin of Milquetoast in his call to arms (try chaining your body to the landing gear of a C-17 to thwart the war effort.....or how about getting arrested outside Senator Clinton's Senate office during a sit-in?) then I will take you seriously....Otherwise, I know, as usual, the anti-war/anti-Bush rhetoric is simply a cynical tool for the attainment of domestic political power in the future. The democrats' behavior since January has confirmed my opinion that they do not want to bring the troops home.....they want an issue to help them keep what power they already have and even supplement it.

    And Mike, no, I am not happy about the death of anyone for any reason. I reject your premise at the end of your question. I do want to honor the sacrifice of those who fought for the mission in Iraq by supporting policies that lead to a successful democracy there. No one has offerred an alternative to The President's plan that helps the Iraqis attain their goal of a stable democracy.

    cee

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "It isn't "political points" to push for a ban on guns designed to kill lots of people quickly. A nation without gun control is a nation that is sucking up to the gun manufacturers.

    Trust me, they don't care who they kill...

    Posted by: at April 19, 2007 12:22 PM "

    I beg to differ. Keith could not wait to try and link the President to the tragedy at Va Tech by bringing up the assault weapons ban law that had lapsed under the current Presidents administration. Even if the gun ban law Keith talked about was still in full effect it would have done NOTHING to stop what happened. Ergo, I felt that Keith was using the tragedy to take a swipe at the President which I felt was innapropriate & at a minimum too soon. The murderer had no criminal record and unfortunately his mental health issues did not come up to a level that could have been noticed by the authorites running his background check (i.e. Va. State Police) at the time he was purchasing the pistols. There are several contries in which their firearms laws are, in many ways, less restrictive than our own with Canada being one of them. Are countries like Canada sucking up to the gun lobby? Hardly, but for numerous reasons they are smarter in how the gun laws are applied vis-a-vis the USA. Here, the laws are made up by both ends of the political spectrum with the end product being something less desirable for both. A lot of times such items as common-sense seem to not even be in the law. However, saying anything like an out-right ban will work is just too simplistic an approach as there are just too many guns out there right now to make a difference. Also, we'll have a prohibition situation with many folks being involved in illegal firearms to the detriment of many. Unfortunately, there is just no one, simple answer to all of this mess although I will say that if perhaps a waiting period for pistol purchases was instituted PLUS, more stringent guidelines for folks with mental health issues purchasing firearms (i.e. figure out a way in which a person seeking mental health counseling or more could be prohibited from firearms purchases or least made known to the authorities running the firearms background checks) that would be a start. Time to get off the soap-box now.

    Lenny (cee)....when you or brandon, or RK actually have the guts to join the military pick up a gun and fight the terorrist or how about attacking some peace protestesrs somewhere and getting yourself arrested. Until then how can I possibly beleive anything other than you are only exploiting the fear of the terroist to try to keep your party in political power.


    Black and white thinking is fun!

    Justthemiller,

    I enjoyed your post.

    "We all know he is a millimeter away from having a vagina..."

    And Keith is the misogynist?

    Yeah, right...

    Just like you always do, Sheridan....The big mistake is that you assume some things as factual....

    Since I support George Bush's policy regarding the war against terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, I am under no obligations to affect a change in policy....The Defense department has not called for able bodied 40 year-olds to join or be drafted. The Commander in Chief continues his plan unchanged since January.

    However, those who want a different policy should be doing all they can to change it......especially when they say they are "doing it for the troops," "trying to stop the killing," or "pursuing peace."

    The rhetoric of the left is hot but the actions have been slightly luke warm....this is why I have come to the cynical conclusion that you, and many with this similar narcissistic worldview, have only taken such rhetorical positions based on what will benefit you or your ruling class politically.

    cee

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden


    Cee, are you happy about the additional troops that have been killed in the surge to acomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?

    craigs, you should learn how to read AND understand what you are reading. There was an unbelievably stupid question there, you were half right. The second part of his idiocy was "implying" that nothing has been acomplished, with no evidence. He could at least cut and pasted something from usa today or the old york times, they lie and imply on a daily basis, as your olyloon pal does.

    "Just like you always do, Sheridan....The big mistake is that you assume some things as factual...."

    Lenny may I be frank with you? This here is the primary reason I wonder about you. In your first post you assumed a number of things that were factual which simply are not. for example, that the left wants to stop the war machine in afghanistan. most of us on the leftt hink our efforst should have been totally In Afghanistan and not Iraq all along.

    So in the hopes more of convincing other people (Not youI know that is not possible) I made a few sweeping caricatures of my own. to demonstrate the problems with black and white thinking. I really don't think everyone who supports the war should have to join nor do I think that that to be against the war you have to support cutting the funds. framing the argument that way is a logical fallacy.

    It is something you seem prone to do often.

    "So far the left's activities to end the war and have George Bush and Dick Cheney removed from office have been about as effective as Al Gore's last diet. The streets are pretty empty, Loin, and I can't stop wondering why your ruling elite has yet to pull the funding that keeps the war machine going in Afghanistan and Iraq."

    Posted by: cee at April 19, 2007 1:02 PM


    Sheridan.....These seem like observations that are pretty well backed up by facts.....I read many leftist websites and these are the goals and assertions of many in your fringe. BUT......there are NO regular rallies that I see in my city's streets, my state university is as nice and quiet as it was during Clinton's eight years.....and the democrats in congress have yet to announce they are stopping the funding to the unpopular plans George Bush is still pursuing in Afghanistan and Iraq. Since The Constitution only allows Congress this avenue of funding to affect the foreign policy of The United States, I am anxiously awaiting for the left to assert its new found power it received in November (remember the crowing from the left that it signalled a "new direction?") and put an end the death and carnage!

    Please show me where I assumed something in error in my first post. I suppose Gore could have lost some weight since I say the blubber-butt scold me about the theory of human induced global climate change....but I think you meant much more!

    Roy Spencer says we don't know yet how changes are happening
    MADISON - Roy Spencer is speaking up about his belief that Earth is not headed toward a global warming disaster.
    Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and former NASA scientist, said he knows he's in the minority with his opinions, but he doesn't believe manmade influences are causing catastrophic climate changes.


    "We see something change in our climate and we blame ourselves," Spencer told the Republican Women of Madison during a lunch meeting Wednesday.
    Spencer contends there is not yet enough known about the Earth's atmosphere to understand exactly what occurs naturally to stabilize the earth's climate.
    "I don't think we understand what happens. We can watch it happen on the (climate) models, we know it happens, but we don't know for sure how it happens," Spencer said.
    Developing new energy technology is the only way to know for sure, he said, because he believes the existing climate models are too sensitive.
    He said everything about the climate is tied to precipitation systems. But the climate models don't consider precipitation efficiency. However, he said the little evidence that exists shows precipitation systems act as a natural thermostat to reduce warming.
    "The air you're breathing right now was, in the last few days, part of a precipitation system," he said.
    Spencer said the fears about global warming have people wondering whether something should be done now to stop it.
    "That's the precautionary principle, and it makes no sense because we don't live our lives that way," Spencer said. "Everything in life has risks and benefits; we could die from eating food."
    Energy is needed by humanity, Spencer said while poking fun at Al Gore and other environmentalists who talk about conservation.
    "Most of us are already doing what we can to conserve, but it won't have any impact on global warming," Spencer said.
    Two weeks ago, he testified in a congressional hearing on global warming. Next month, he'll make presentations at the White House and to top evangelical leaders on his research.
    "It's a busy field and keeps me awake," Spencer said.
    More Global Warming consensus.:)

    Impeach the devils. They did 911. They also caused hurricane Katrina. They hate black people. Chimpy McHitlerburton must be stopped. I think they also made me lose my keys the other day. I found them, but no thanks to their efforts. I think they also killed JFK. Bush is personally responsible for that tsunami a few years back, too. He also put up that VA Tech kid to do that. Just to divert attention from his association with Don Imus. They must be stopped.

    Oh, yeah. I forgot...Bush Supporters (hehe. That's so clever.)

    Well it is interesting Lenny that now you are making a distinction between the fringe left and the left. before you were making a blanket statement covering all

    "So far the left's activities to end the war and have George Bush and Dick Cheney removed from office have been about as effective as Al Gore's last diet."


    Which is about as accurate as my saying "So far the right's effort to stir up anger for an invasion of venezeula has failed"

    See the problem with these statements? Their are some on the fringe right who would like to see us go in and take chavez out (see Pat Robertson) however, this is not something that describes a majority of the right.

    Nor do the majority of the left want out of Afghanistan Howard Dean (whom I'm sure you would characterize as far left) Said the invasion of Afhganistan was "a matter of national security"

    if your position is now that some on the far left want out of aAfhganistan I will even agree with that. It is the blanket generaliizations I object to.

    I'll to the rest of your post in a sec.


    "and the democrats in congress have yet to announce they are stopping the funding to the unpopular plans George Bush is still pursuing in Afghanistan and Iraq."

    First off they will never announce an end to funding for Afhganistan. most Democrats recognize this as very important. perhaps you could find quotes from Clinton , Edwards, Obama, or Pelosi that demonstrate the Democrats want out of Afghanistan? otherwise I suggest you drop this obviously false distortion.

    Secondly we may get to that with Iraq. We are pursuing other avenues first. yes it is possible that congress could cut the funding but we would rather see a more ordely withdrawl with hopefully less chaos than that measure would create. Some Democrats are so fed up that they are ready for this action but not all and not enough for that to happpen before exhausting other channels.

    that might put troops in harms way. first we will see if there are better methods. other pressure that can be brought on the president to end the war himself. Right mnow such a think is happening George Bush will have to veto the current funding bill and take responsability for continuing this war.

    "Since The Constitution only allows Congress this avenue of funding to affect the foreign policy of The United States, I am anxiously awaiting for the left to assert its new found power it received in November (remember the crowing from the left that it signalled a "new direction?") and put an end the death and carnage

    No doubt some are suggesting it. others are afraid that it might harm the troops and the price would be to great .We will see what they do.

    Bush put the troops in place for the surge before the funding because he was counting on the Democrats not wanting to pull the plug with troops already in hars way. it is a tactic that has been used before. In fact Teddy Roosevelt used it.

    Craigs: Not a word of that made a single bit of sense. Please, put down the bong for the day okay?

    Craigs: Not a word of that made a single bit of sense. Please, put down the bong for the day okay?

    Posted by: KAF at April 19, 2007 7:52 PM
    I think he wears it on a string around his neck as with the case of a few other olbyloons. Hence, they say "I inadvertantly said that, I didn't mean it." Or "that was 2 1/2 months ago, it doesn't matter now that I lied that long ago." LMAO!

    "Craigs: Not a word of that made a single bit of sense. Please, put down the bong for the day okay? "

    It makes perfect sense. you're just a moron.

    " think he wears it on a string around his neck as with the case of a few other olbyloons.

    Well, I find the only way to talk to the dumbest human being alive (that's you) without getting too upset is to be stoned out of my mind.

    On another note... Cee, I think I we can safely conclude I won the arguement on evolution. How can you not look at RK and conclude he is other than the missing link?

    Sheridan (craigs), dear Sheridan.....

    The President of The United States of America is responsible for the administration of the armed forces.....Constitutionally, he must go to the House of Representatives and request funds....They initiate the legislative process and either pass the funding or they do not.

    President Bush will always request funds for the war on terror....otherwise known as the operations currently occurring in Iraq AND Afghanistan.....he will never (and I would bet you any amount of money you want) request seperate appropriations....WHY? BECAUSE HE CAN.....HE'S THE ELECTED EXECUTIVE AND HAS THE POWER TO DO IT.

    He will veto any funding bill he feels is not right for the troops....and it seems neither chamber will get the political balls to over-ride him.

    Don't you see Sheridan, ever since the elections in November, the left has tried to claim that Bush will relent to their view.....he won't....he will request the money and the only way the left can stop is is either.....

    Stop funding the wars or

    impeach him and remove him from office (along with Cheney).

    I am right (again) and you are wrong.....The democrats are wussies....they do not have the balls to back up their rhetoric and force the withdraw of the troops by cutting the funds keeping them there.....

    WHY?

    Because they are weak and do not have the stomach do do what it takes to get things done in the real world....So they play at the margins with silly rhetoric that only stokes the hope of an enemy waiting for THEIR victory in a war of attrition. The democrats are aiding these islamic radicals in their plan.

    So, like it or not, the democratic leadership is only playing political games....they know it, I know it, but I guess you have yet to accept the truth.....Much like your last arguments about the critical assumptions made by so-called scientists. You became a broken record with nothing new to add to an argument you lost 5 posts previously! Sheridan, you should know that your faith is on pretty shaky ground by now!

    If the Iraqi government falls or requests the withdrawl of US Troops, then Bush will change course....But he will not leave the Iraqis like the US left the South Vietnamese...and I am glad he won't.....It was wrong then, and it would be wrong now. President Ford was right in placing the blame squarley at the feet of the democrats in Congress for abandoning an ally since the days of Eisenhower and Kennedy.

    Try again, Sheridan.....your faith-based arguments amuse me.

    cee

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    Lenny, Lenny, Lenny,

    Still chasing unicorns I see. Still unable to comprehend a simple arguement. You have convenintly ignored every point. I made, But what should I expect from a man who doesn't believe in science.
    Stop funding the wars or

    "impeach him and remove him from office (along with Cheney)."

    Well another option is to make him veto bills with times withdrawls so the public can see he is completly unreasonable about the war. It was wrong then, and it would be wrong now.

    "President Ford was right in placing the blame squarley at the feet of the democrats in Congress for abandoning an ally since the days of Eisenhower and Kennedy."

    Thak god they did before we lost another 50,000 for nothing. You love your wars don't you Lenny?

    Sheridan, the broken record is boring....I pointed out assumptions you made and you claim repeatedly they are not assumptions. Assumptions as part of a scientific construct make that construct arguable....but you continue to swallow the dogma that it sould be accepted otherwise....Then you go on to try to convert people to your point-of-view.....It is very sectarian of you to try to save me but I must decline. Your faith based arguments have had little power (as they did when I studied the subject in my major for 4 years as an undergraduate) to convert me to your religion.

    Oh, BTW.....Bush will still be doing the right thing as, "[Congress makes] him veto bills with times withdrawls so the public can see he is completly unreasonable about the war." The democrats, by passing legislation that funds the war on terror, would still be allowing funding for an enterprise you and they call wrong. Why? Political posturing. NO BILL, NO FUNDING for the Bush policy is the only honest and constitutional way the legislature in our country has to direct the course of war.....and the left ruling class refuses (and will continue to refuse) to use it. What a bunch of wheenies!

    Also, BTW.....the 60,000 men and women who died protecting South Vietnam from tyranny were dishonored by the retreat forced upon their commrades by the left of The United States.....Whitewash history should not be so readily accepted, Sheridan. The mission to protect the democracy known as South Vietnam failed because congress ended the support of that struggling nation and allowed a tyranny to rule the country.....

    The left dishonored the troops then....and they want to do it again in Iraq. The American left abandoned the South Vietnamese to the North fanatics which resulted in the death or "re-education" of millions after 1975. The left wants to leave Iraq to a group of Islamic fanatics which includes a large portion of Al Queda who will be just as cruel to their more moderate fellows. Nice.

    cee (Unicorn Chaser)

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!"
    Sir Loin of Beef

    "Sheridan, the broken record is boring....I pointed out assumptions you made and you claim repeatedly they are not assumptions."

    No you didn't you f---ing idiot. You continues with your assertion that the funding for the iraq and Afghan war were tied together, and that if the president vetoes this bill he vetos funding for both, and yet you presented not a shred of evidence for your claim.

    Next you continues on your moronic thinking with an exemplary display of the strawman fallcy, by completly misrepresenting the postions of the democrats. Again asserting that the Democrats want to impeach Bush (Too stupid to know that pelosi said it is off the table)

    Next you made the stupid ass claim that the congress forced Bush to veto the bill. Which is absurd, like really anyhting that comes out of your mouth.

    Also btw 58,000 men not 60,000 died in the war in vietnam. if you are going to try to look smart by correcting someone who was not really trying to be precise about a number get it right yourself.

    Oh and the reason vietnam was lost was that the americans looked at the war in the larger context of the cold war. The people of Vietnam saw it as more as a war for independence.

    Democracy might of worked if the goverment of south Vietnam was not so incredibly corrupt and ineffective that most of the people began to view the north as a viable alternative. Meaning they did not want the democracy wewere offering.

    But why bothering explaining this to a unicorn chaser who doesn't beleive.

    1) the history of vietnam (liberal consiparcy).
    2) Biology is wrong (liberal consipracy to destry god)
    3) Geology is wrong (same as above)
    4) Phyiscs is wrong (same as above)
    5) climate science is wrong. (Liberal plot to destry the economy)
    5) and Yet claims other people are faith based. Despite truly hating science and all that it stands for.

    6) And claims to be a doctor (despite not understanding the basic tents of biology)

    Maybe a witch doctor. Go chase your unicorns and look for your little bunny rabbits Lenny. You are a bufoon.


    "[Congress makes] him veto bills with times withdrawls so the public can see he is completly unreasonable about the war."

    My post at 7:560 AM...your post gave me the quote.....

    "Well another option is to make him veto bills with times withdrawls so the public can see he is completly unreasonable about the war."

    Posted by: craigs at April 19, 2007 9:58 PM

    Your words, Sheridan....I simply made it easier to read.....then you claim they were my words.....

    "Next you made the stupid ass claim that the congress forced Bush to veto the bill. Which is absurd, like really anyhting that comes out of your mouth."

    Posted by: craigs at April 20, 2007 1:42 PM

    So what is it, Sheridan.....Is it absurd to say Congress forced (or will force) Bush to veto legislation that has a time table (like you said) or it is a plan the democrats are pursuing?

    Just like the rest of your last screed, you are sounding unhinged. You are calling your own words absurd!

    And I'll say it once again like I did three times before......I rely on true science....science that employs the scientific method, IN ALL OF ITS FACETS....I am sorry you seem angry that I do not believe your dogma that requires a pledge of allegience to theory regarded as fact. The dogma you espouse relies on assumption after assumption of events occurring in the past with no way to verify that the events actually occurred.

    Sheridan, you simply have bought into the story and I respect your decision to believe in it. Your faith is strong and that is a positive aspect of your character. Your religious bigotry on the other hand.........


    "Well another option is to make him veto bills with times withdrawls so the public can see he is completly unreasonable about the war."

    Posted by: craigs at April 19, 2007 9:58 PM

    Your words, Sheridan....I simply made it easier to read.....then you claim they were my words.....

    Lenny, I didn't think you would take that literally. The idea is absurd, It's not like Pelosi is putting a gun to the president's
    head and forcing him to veto the bill. Congress made it's wishes known and the president if he does not agree with what they have put forth has the option to veto.

    He is not forced to do it. but we both know he will. This makes him come out and basically say he doesn't think the war can be wrapped up in a few more short years (6 total) This is really dragging out for what was supposed to be a walk in the park.

    Now, I'm not sure how you read that but I think it is pretty clear that before congress resorts to something as drastic cutting the funds they want to be able to say they tried every other course.

    in fact, congress might decide not to cut funds at all, simply because they think that is a dangerous way out of Iraq. They might instead make the arguement to the American people to elect a democratic president who would be favor in a more orderly withdrawl than just stopping all funding is the best course out.

    if you disagree, I'm ok with that. (Although I think you are dead wrong) But simply putting forth the idea that congress owns this war unless they take 1 and only 1 path is absurd. As the commander in chief and chief cheerleader of this war George Bush owns it.

    If you guys are right and Democracy spreads to the middle east and all the good things promised happen, Bush gets to claim the lion's share of credit. if it continues to be the disaster i think it is, he gets the lion's share of the blame.

    It is a logical fallact to assert that because congress does not immeditly cut the funding, or choose to the cut the funding at all, makes them equally responsible for this war. They have made their wishes known and the president is going to veto it.