Bush Supporters!

Bush Supporters!

Posted by: Average American Patriot at April 30, 2007 11:49 PM

gesundheit

Bring back Johnny!!!

I think Olbermann certainly laid to rest the argument that he isn't anti-Republican, he's just against the war, nonsense.

While pandering to Jason Bateman, he did the equivalent of saying boo hissss that he has to go to the Republican Candidate Debates,,, and then later ..that he has to be at the "Reagan Library".... eye roll to Bateman.

So this is Doug Krile's new journalism... MSNBC's co-anchor/analyist covering the Republican Candidate Debate and letting his "hometown" audience know that he'd rather be having a V-8...

Is that a part of the Bill Moyers Special?

Bring back Johnny Bu$hwipe!!!
Posted by: Paul at April 30, 2007 11:59 PM

NO!!!

Let the MAN himself carry out the deed!!

Managing Editor

Robert Cox
olby@olbywatch.com

Oh, wait... there's still that other useful moron, Brandon.

How about Bovine?

Olbermann is getting slammed in the ratings, and he picks as his #1 story and interview......Jason Bateman?

huh?

"Olbermann is getting slammed in the ratings, and he picks as his number #1 story and interview....Jason Bateman?"

Uh...may be he should have done a story on San Francisco liberalism?....or maybe a segment on how "secular progressives' are the real enemies of America?....or how about them America hatin "Activist Judges"?....The "war on Christmas"? No, not right now - it's only April....How about lets have a 'debate' on how we're taking God out of the classroom?....then he could cap it off by bringing on a voice stress analyst to see who's lying?

And of course, never forget today's anti-liberal "talking point".

Now that's the way to get ratings!

To all loyal readers, if I could ask for another day of leniency when it comes to making timely writeups. I have a touch of OCD and want them to be as good as possible I could never match the esteemed Johnny Dollar but I am trying! Thanks for your patience.

Edward Schatz: "I could never match the esteemed Johnny Dollar but am trying!"

Yes you can. Not much of a challenge, really. You could start by dropping some of the crude name calling Johnny loves to do so much...such as 'fatass', 'Olbermoron', 'Monkeyman', etc.

>I have a touch of OCD and want them to be as good as possible I could never match the esteemed Johnny Dollar but I am trying!

Geeeeeee... you look up to Johnny Bu$hwipe?

BOB!
BOB!!!

Get Bovine right here! Right NOW!!
With full editing capabilities!
So Bovine can edit out those posts that prove what a moron Bovine is!!

No... wait!! Get BRANDON!!!!

The Wolffe Man and Dana Milbank
Parrot Keith with minds that are blank
The same crap each night
No views from the right
And Maria Milito's a skank

Yes you can. Not much of a challenge, really. You could start by dropping some of the crude name calling Johnny loves to do so much...such as 'fatass', 'Olbermoron', 'Monkeyman', etc.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 12:52 AM
Oh no, that's not going to happen, lil mike. Wouldn't you just love that? By the way, lil liar, where did I have my ass handed to me? Care to show?

Yes you can. Not much of a challenge, really. You could start by dropping some of the crude name calling Johnny loves to do so much...such as 'fatass', 'Olbermoron', 'Monkeyman', etc.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 12:52 AM
Hey, lil mickey, didn't you say that you don't read the recaps? Yes, I think you did. Another one of those little things that start with the "L."

Wouldn't it be funny if JEFF started doing the recaps?

How about it Bob?

I second that!! This site is suposed to be about humour right?

#5: George Tenet predicted everything! The prophet is here!

Eschatz: you don't even have precitent to make fun of Keith Olbermann for posting so late and holding Olbermann Watch guilless for such a long time. Very ashamed.

"declaration of 'Mission Accomplished'." Hm, don't ever recall that being declared"

I guess you could say it was kind of implied.

"declaration of "Mission Accomplished." Hm, don't ever recall that being declared"

That huge banner hanging over his head may have had something to do with it.

Olbermann is getting slammed in the ratings, and he picks as his number #1 story and interview....Jason Bateman?"

Uh...may be he should have done a story on San Francisco liberalism?....or maybe a segment on how "secular progressives' are the real enemies of America?....or how about them America hatin "Activist Judges"?....The "war on Christmas"? No, not right now - it's only April....How about lets have a 'debate' on how we're taking God out of the classroom?....then he could cap it off by bringing on a voice stress analyst to see who's lying?

And of course, never forget today's anti-liberal "talking point".

Now that's the way to get ratings!

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 12:34 AM

As a reality check, here's the actual schedule for O'Reilly tonight:

"Michelle Malkin filled in on The O’Reilly Factor tonight and talked about George Tenet, the CIA bumbling 9/11, and the DC Madam case with several guests, including David Frum, Megyn Kendall Kelly, Kirsten Powers [Democratic consultant], and Juan Williams [Democratic pundit]"

Cecelia, we all know mike has no clue, whatsoever. All spew, all the time. For someone that doesn't watch Fox News, he sure seems to know ALL about O'Reillys format!

"declaration of "Mission Accomplished." Hm, don't ever recall that being declared"

"That huge banner hanging over his head may have had something to do with it."...........

One these days the truth about that day will be told by the MSM...the banner was in reference to the carrier he was on that had just returned from it's Mission that it had Accomplished..but don't let facts get in the way of bashing Bush

Jeff sez: "Cecelia, we all know mike has no clue"

But Jeff, I've been reading your posts tirelessly looking for that 'clue', but so far, you've let me down every single time.

To Mike: All "name calling" is the recycling of insults Olbermann has used. I have not called him anything he has not used against anyone else. Please refer to the FAQ on such matters. Perhaps one could make the argument that those who do recaps should not stoop to his level. Only when the OlbyLoons ask Olbermann to stop will I. I cannot speak for other people who do recaps.

But Jeff, I've been reading your posts tirelessly looking for that 'clue', but so far, you've let me down every single time.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 2:04 AM

No, your genetics let you down.

Edward: I know, I know...Johnny's explained it all before, but that explanation just doesn't hold water.

I could make at least two arguments against 'stooping' to "his level".

1) - Yes, Olbermann HAS been guilty of using those terms, to his discredit....but he doesn't use them on every show, the way you guys do on every single 'recap'.

2) - Two wrongs never make a right, nor can the copycat ever rise above the level of the one being copied.

"One these days the truth about that day will be told by the MSM...the banner was in reference to the carrier he was on that had just returned from it's Mission that it had Accomplished..but don't let facts get in the way of bashing Bush"

1) White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN "We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up.

2)According to John Dickerson of TIME magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crewmembers

3) Bush stood at the podium and declared, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended" Implying the mssion was accomplished.

4) Bush reiterated his "Mission Accomplished" statement to the troops at Camp As Sayliyah on June 5, 2003 — about a month after the aircraft carrier incident: "America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."

5) the explanation you gave did not begin to circulate from the whitehouse until months after the fiasco.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of defending Bush.

Edward: I know, I know...Johnny's explained it all before, but that explanation just doesn't hold water.

I could make at least two arguments against 'stooping' to "his level".

1) - Yes, Olbermann HAS been guilty of using those terms, to his discredit....but he doesn't use them on every show, the way you guys do on every single 'recap'.

2) - Two wrongs never make a right, nor can the copycat ever rise above the level of the one being copied.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 2:17 AM

3) Don't insult my guy.

4) Don't insult my guy.

"No, your genetics let you down"

Cecelia, you're breaking my heart!
You're shaking my confidence daily!
Oh Cecelia, I'm down on my knees!
Won't you please come home?

"To Mike: All "name calling" is the recycling of insults Olbermann has used. I have not called him anything he has not used against anyone else. Please refer to the FAQ on such matters. Perhaps one could make the argument that those who do recaps should not stoop to his level. Only when the OlbyLoons ask Olbermann to stop will I. I cannot speak for other people who do recaps"

What's his e-mail address. I'll e-mail the request and cc you on it if you like? Any other "olbyloons" wanna join me? How many do you need to stop?

Cecelia, you're breaking my heart!
You're shaking my confidence daily!
Oh Cecelia, I'm down on my knees!
Won't you please come home?

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 2:21 AM

Just hop on the bus, putz...

Craigs: I suggest heading over to the "moderated" Countdown blog.

What's his e-mail address. I'll e-mail the request and cc you on it if you like? Any other "olbyloons" wanna join me? How many do you need to stop?

Posted by: craigs at May 1, 2007 2:26 AM

Make it easy for him-- say...the number of Olbermann's Neilsen rating.

"Craigs: I suggest heading over to the "moderated" Countdown blog"

Why? I'm just trying to take you up on your offer.

Craigs: That's the only way I know of to get in touch with Countdown and its crew.

"Make it easy for him-- say...the number of Olbermann's Neilsen rating"

Well, guess were stuck with you stooping to his level.

Craigs: "Why? I'm just trying to take you up on your offer."

We both know if Olbermann never uttered another word like those, it would take at least two years for the 'recappers' to notice on this site.

"Craigs: That's the only way I know of to get in touch with Countdown and its crew."

Ahh, Well I can check and see if there is such a beast as an e-mail address listed there. In the meantime carry on I suppose.

That huge banner hanging over his head may have had something to do with it.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 1:46 AM
Clueless. Wouldn't know a fact if it bashed him upside his numb skull.

"Clueless. Wouldn't know a fact if it bashed him upside his numb skull."

That's true you wouldn't

"Make it easy for him-- say...the number of Olbermann's Neilsen rating"

Well, guess were stuck with you stooping to his level.

Posted by: craigs at May 1, 2007 2:37 AM

Well, somebody has to watch his show.

"Well, somebody has to watch his show."

LOL

Jeff sez: "clueless. Wouldn't know a fact if it bashed him upside his numb skull."

Must be what happened to you Jeff...one of them 'facts' whopped you upside the head and knocked the sense plumb outta you.

Was it one of them horse's hooves what did that to ya, Jeff?

Good night, Major.

Ed - you're doing a fine job. How you and Johnny can stomach the hour of spin I'll never know; I can't.
Did anyone notice it takes 8 loons at one of the fan sites to blog each show. It's too much for 1 body to stand. Great thanks to Ed and Johnny for their hard work.

Jason Bateman? Is Olby sinking to celebrity interviews now?

"#4: Right off the bat, the infamous, deplorable KO declares Iraq a "war predicated on lies" and that Bush is going to veto a bill to fund the war on the "fourth anniversary of the declaration of Mission Accomplished." Olby clearly knows this is a lie, as he later states that the President declared the end of "major combat operations" with the words "mission accomplished hovering over him."

That;s right, and he also never actually uttered the word "imminent" (the dipsh-t can't pronounce it!), but limited his discussions to "smoking guns as mushroom clouds". Just the other day Condi stopped denying that an "imminent threat" was sold to the American pubic - she just tried to changed the meaning of the word:

Stephanapolous: So was Iraq really an imminent threat?

Rice: Imminent? An "imminent threat" is not "if somebody is going to strike tomorrow," but rather, "it’s whether you believe you’re in a stronger position today to deal with the threat, or whether you’re going to be in a stronger position...

Actually, Condi, it really is the "tommorrow" thing.

This is how the douchebags roll, from OW to the WH - staying up all night with their "OCD" trying to find some strained rhetorical loopole for the lies and crimes of their fetish/hero/leader. You poor zombies have ZERO intellectual integrity.

It's hard to produce the people who have allegedly been tortured, because typically they are still being held without real trials and real representation. I urge you to listen to This American Life (the episode that recently won the Peabody Award) to hear a story that the MSM has not covered.
It's even harder to produce the people who have been killed while being held -- more than three dozen by recent (no doubt flawed) counts.

Says MLong:One these days the truth about that day will be told by the MSM...the banner was in reference to the carrier he was on that had just returned from it's Mission that it had Accomplished..but don't let facts get in the way of bashing Bush

People with half-a-brain know that MLong. It' gullible morons like the liberals posting on this board that drinketh from the tap of Olbyloon and Sir Mike Moore that can't think for themselves.

Posted by: George Bush at May 1, 2007 8:58 AM

Look at craigs post above (at May 1, 2007 2:19 AM). You are blinded by your cult.

MLong,

You are full of it, child. It is already known that Bush's folks created the banner...

Nice try, though...

Everything about this White House is so slick and produced; do you really think they would've just missed something as glaringly propagandized as a "Mission Accomplished" banner hanging over the head of the president as he announced the end of major combat operations in Iraq, knowing that that sound bite was built to be played over and over on the news stations, without fully intending to broadcast that message?

And even if they somehow DIDN'T intend that, there's always the part where yeah, he announced the end of major combat operations ... and then three and a half years later, asked Congress to approve a massive "troop surge" back to Iraq. If that's not a major combat operation, I'd like to see your dictionary.

Says MLong:One these days the truth about that day will be told by the MSM...the banner was in reference to the carrier he was on that had just returned from it's Mission that it had Accomplished..but don't let facts get in the way of bashing Bush

People with half-a-brain know that MLong. It' gullible morons like the liberals posting on this board that drinketh from the tap of Olbyloon and Sir Mike Moore that can't think for themselves.

Posted by: George Bush at May 1, 2007 8:58 AM

"... President Bush denied that his political operatives had been responsible for the erection of the "Mission Accomplished" banner that flew behind him on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln on May 1, when he dressed up like a fighter pilot and declared victory in Iraq. He said that his advance men "weren't that ingenious" and that the banner was put up by crew members, "saying that their mission was accomplished." Scott McClellan, the president's press secretary, later admitted that the banner was in fact created by the White House..."

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/11/WeeklyReview2003-11-04

Yeah, blindrat, the BANNER was created by the white house, but only because they were smart enough to realize the soldiers would surely request a giant "mission accomplished" banner to hang over well beloved glorious leader for glorious and true tv appearance in braveliest combat flying clothes.

In related news, Rush Limbaugh only made up the song about Obama the magic negro to make a deep and meaningfull point about liberal racism and hypocracy to deep thinkers, not to hightlight and make fun of his "halfrican American" race in some kind of popular forum.

I think the current crew is lobbying to have another "plausible" attached to "plausible deniability."

VOK,

When you explain it that way, I can completely understand why I don't understand what is going on...

BTW, at what time is Moron in Chief scheduled to announce his veto?

After 5 p.m. NEXT FRIDAY?

Bush is the "decider". He'll decide how long to withhold money from the troops...

In related news, Rush Limbaugh only made up the song about Obama the magic negro to make a deep and meaningfull point about liberal racism and hypocracy to deep thinkers, not to hightlight and make fun of his "halfrican American" race in some kind of popular forum.

I think the current crew is lobbying to have another "plausible" attached to "plausible deniability."

Posted by: VOK at May 1, 2007 11:41 AM

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

Here's the LA Times opinion piece that generated the song.

Writer Tom Wolfe has never seemed more brilliant than in these times.

Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man.
By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007

AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."

The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

He's there to assuage white "guilt" (i.e., the minimal discomfort they feel) over the role of slavery and racial segregation in American history, while replacing stereotypes of a dangerous, highly sexualized black man with a benign figure for whom interracial sexual congress holds no interest.

As might be expected, this figure is chiefly cinematic — embodied by such noted performers as Sidney Poitier, Morgan Freeman, Scatman Crothers, Michael Clarke Duncan, Will Smith and, most recently, Don Cheadle. And that's not to mention a certain basketball player whose very nickname is "Magic."

Poitier really poured on the "magic" in "Lilies of the Field" (for which he won a best actor Oscar) and "To Sir, With Love" (which, along with "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," made him a No. 1 box-office attraction). In these films, Poitier triumphs through yeoman service to his white benefactors. "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" is particularly striking in this regard, as it posits miscegenation without evoking sex. (Talk about magic!)

The same can't quite be said of Freeman in "Driving Miss Daisy," "Seven" and the seemingly endless series of films in which he plays ersatz paterfamilias to a white woman bedeviled by a serial killer. But at least he survives, unlike Crothers in "The Shining," in which psychic premonitions inspire him to rescue a white family he barely knows and get killed for his trouble. This heart-tug trope is parodied in Gus Van Sant's "Elephant." The film's sole black student at a Columbine-like high school arrives in the midst of a slaughter, helps a girl escape and is immediately gunned down. See what helping the white man gets you?

And what does the white man get out of the bargain? That's a question asked by John Guare in "Six Degrees of Separation," his brilliant retelling of the true saga of David Hampton — a young, personable gay con man who in the 1980s passed himself off as the son of none other than the real Sidney Poitier. Though he started small, using the ruse to get into Studio 54, Hampton discovered that countless gullible, well-heeled New Yorkers, vulnerable to the Magic Negro myth, were only too eager to believe in his baroque fantasy. (One of the few who wasn't fooled was Andy Warhol, who was astonished his underlings believed Hampton's whoppers. Clearly Warhol had no need for the accouterment of interracial "goodwill.")

But the same can't be said of most white Americans, whose desire for a noble, healing Negro hasn't faded. That's where Obama comes in: as Poitier's "real" fake son.

The senator's famously stem-winding stump speeches have been drawing huge crowds to hear him talk of uniting rather than dividing. A praiseworthy goal. Consequently, even the mild criticisms thrown his way have been waved away, "magically." He used to smoke, but now he doesn't; he racked up a bunch of delinquent parking tickets, but he paid them all back with an apology. And hey, is looking good in a bathing suit a bad thing?

The only mud that momentarily stuck was criticism (white and black alike) concerning Obama's alleged "inauthenticty," as compared to such sterling examples of "genuine" blackness as Al Sharpton and Snoop Dogg. Speaking as an African American whose last name has led to his racial "credentials" being challenged — often several times a day — I know how pesky this sort of thing can be.

Obama's fame right now has little to do with his political record or what he's written in his two (count 'em) books, or even what he's actually said in those stem-winders. It's the way he's said it that counts the most. It's his manner, which, as presidential hopeful Sen. Joe Biden ham-fistedly reminded us, is "articulate." His tone is always genial, his voice warm and unthreatening, and he hasn't called his opponents names (despite being baited by the media).

Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him.

Let me clue you in as to why Jason Bateman was on the show. He's the "commissioner" of Olbermann's fantasy baseball league, I imagine KO was sucking-up. but then doesn't he always when there is a liberal politican or c-league celebrity in sight?

Wow! So Cecelia thinks that Ehrenstein's editorial about a idealized notion of African Americans in film is comparable to Rush's video with Obama in a Klamsman's outfit?

I wonder how she manages to make the two seem similar in her mind?...

I love that "man of the people" Olbermann told his audience when discussing "fantasy baseball with Bateman, "if you don't know what we are talking about TOUGH"

What a prick. Maybe he was able to "score" this time with Bateman after the game, (since he didn't with the porn star "guest" after the Lakers game).

Wow! So Cecelia thinks that Ehrenstein's editorial about a idealized notion of African Americans in film is comparable to Rush's video with Obama in a Klamsman's outfit?

I wonder how she manages to make the two seem similar in her mind?...

Posted by: blindrat at May 1, 2007 12:54 PM

I hadn't seen the video, but I think Rush's song is not "comparable" to Ehrenstein's piece, but is a tasteless parody of the piece and of the concept of "magical negro" as being a white man's milk-and-tea version of acceptable black male. BTW-- Ehrenstein's piece directly referenced Obama as being that archotypal entity.

I also think there's enough irony, pseudo- cultural analysis, and lines-in-the-sand as to who you are and what politics you hold and what skin color you must have in order to say what-- in the world that our culture can stand a little tasteless parody, without feigning the vapors.

As long as we both are aware that Limbaugh is a racist, who cares whether or not he stays on the air?...

Why is Ulbermahn a hack?

UPDATE: Video

Keith Olbermann on the DC Madam (more KO misogyny)

Says blindrat: As long as we both are aware that Limbaugh is a racist, who cares whether or not he stays on the air?

Says W: Do you know the man? He's no more racist than any liberal that uses blacks for their votes and we see the signs when Hillary spoke about blacks being "Wait Staff" and Biden and his "First, clean, black man running for prez". Then you have Al Gore whose grandfather was a slave owner and the poster child for the KKK, Sen. Robert Byrd, grand knight of the KKK. Yeah, I bet none of these are racists either.

Biden's remark was inexcusable, son; however, to blame Al Gore for his grandfather's use of slaves borders on the stupid, then crosses over that line...

Byrd gave up his racist ways. The legislation that he supports proves that...

Keith Olbermann on the DC Madam (more KO misogyny)

Posted by: Robert Cox at May 1, 2007 1:30 PM

Bob, if you can find "misogyny" in calling video queen and coochie flashing Paris Hilton "a slut", or Rita Cosby-- "dumb", or in poking risque fun at the female equivalent of a pimp, you may be too Alan Alda-like for this side of heaven...

I'm well aware of the context, Cecelia. That is exactly the point. That is EXACTLY the plausible deniability that I was talking about. There is a perfectly good satyrical reasoning behind the song as an extension of the reverse-racism double standard schtick that Limbaugh makes his living off of. Hey, a black guy can say it in an article but I can't say it on the radio?!?! PC SENSORSHIP and REVERSE DISCRIMINATION!!! Rally round, ye reasonable minions, and defend me from these masses!! That schtick is in itself a kind of ugly white anger-baiting if you ask me, and a sort of rational excuse for anger that is not rational or helpful. But Rush makes scads of money off it so what the hell?

But the reason this really is worse than the usual “reverse discrimination” claim is right on the face. It’s obviously from a white perspective and ridicules black dialect. Proponents of racial equality, whatever their political stripe, will have an uncomfortable reaction to it. Racists will devour it like candy. And it’s hook is somply to spread the term “Obama the magic negro” among those who like this kind of stuff.

I think the original article is wrong, IMO totally missing the real important symbolic point of an Obama candidacy to the world. But the article isn't insulting, mocking, and meanspirited. When you are dealing with intentional pop-culture messages, you can’t pretend the essoteric meaning (that requires a follow through to a deeper conversation, links to articles) is the primary intent. It provides the plausible deniability. The intent of this is to call attention to Obama’s race. Rush mentions his race literally every single day, calling him a “halfrican american” every time he refers to him. Rush wants to keep Obama’s race front and center, constantly highlight it negatively both to racists and to blacks, and reserve the “plausible deniability” that he is really having a deeper conversation. He’s done a very good job here, as you've shown.

I think the original article is wrong, IMO totally missing the real important symbolic point of an Obama candidacy to the world. But the article isn't insulting, mocking, and meanspirited. When you are dealing with intentional pop-culture messages, you can’t pretend the essoteric meaning (that requires a follow through to a deeper conversation, links to articles) is the primary intent. It provides the plausible deniability. The intent of this is to call attention to Obama’s race. Rush mentions his race literally every single day, calling him a “halfrican american” every time he refers to him. Rush wants to keep Obama’s race front and center, constantly highlight it negatively both to racists and to blacks, and reserve the “plausible deniability” that he is really having a deeper conversation. He’s done a very good job here, as you've shown.

Posted by: VOK at May 1, 2007 3:01 PM

I can assure you that calling Obama the whiteman's equivalent of the only valid and sanitized black male, may not be insulting -- as always, depending on your color and your presumptions of who can and cannot be insulting or insulted... the LA Times piece was marginalizing of Obama, to say the least.

BTW, I found the Rush Limbaugh thing on YouTube, and it is tasteless, but I don't see anything in it, as invoking "white rage". Rather it invokes mere eye-rolling disdain towards Al Sharpton. The song lampoons Al as the singer and Ehrenstein's comments regarding Al's '"genuine blackness"'.

Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself.

"a little tasteless parody, without feigning the vapors."

So which is worse, Cecelia, the tasteless racial parody or the people who are offended by the tasteless racial parody? Oh wait, I see that in your world people aren't offended by odious racial stereotypes because they all understand that coming from their old pal Rush, it must just be meant in good fun. Sp they just pretend to be offended. O.K. Asked and answered.

I like how VOK is able to KNOW when people are employing mental gymnastics like plausable deniability or are really being intellectually curious and discussing a difficult issue in terms their audience can understand. Knowing someone's intent is an amazing ability.

The ability of the religious left to know the motives of all people and then to determine whether they are deserving to publically express their views is awe inspiring to me!

Knowing what people are thinking is an amazing ability.....good luck with your certainty, VOK.....I really thought liberals weren't "judgemental."

"a little tasteless parody, without feigning the vapors."

So which is worse, Cecelia, the tasteless racial parody or the people who are offended by the tasteless racial parody? Oh wait, I see that in your world people aren't offended by odious racial stereotypes because they all understand that coming from their old pal Rush, it must just be meant in good fun. Sp they just pretend to be offended. O.K. Asked and answered.

Posted by: VOK at May 1, 2007 3:21 PM

And in your world they're not offended by stereotypes if they come from a black LA Times writer essentially saying that white folks won't vote for a black man who isn't a tea-and-milk version of Sidney Poitier doing his best nice negro pretty boy routine towards the white man.

No, I'm not particularly offended by that. There's a kernel of truth in Ehrenstein's words that starkly reveals some not so complimentary realities about both white and black folks. Though I'm not sure if he's cares to be aware of that.

I'm little more disdainful of the Rush thing but not terribly.

I don't have to play that. I'll leave that for you.

The "deplorable one" is becoming harder and harder to watch every night.

My sympathies to the entire Olbermannwatch staff for having to watch KO with an air-sickness bag at their side.

I like how VOK is able to KNOW when people are employing mental gymnastics like plausable deniability or are really being intellectually curious and discussing a difficult issue in terms their audience can understand. Knowing someone's intent is an amazing ability.

The ability of the religious left to know the motives of all people and then to determine whether they are deserving to publically express their views is awe inspiring to me!

Knowing what people are thinking is an amazing ability.....good luck with your certainty, VOK.....I really thought liberals weren't "judgemental."

Posted by: cee at May 1, 2007 3:24 PM

What VOK is willfully blind towards is the song isn't about invoking "white rage", it's a parody of the sort of politics that have been played by Al Sharpton already and Ehrenstein to some extent, and will be played even more if it looks like Obama is a real threat to win this candidacy from Clinton.

The Olbyloons think they're Psychic, turns out they (and him) are just PSYCHOTIC.

Says W: Do you know the man? He's no more racist than any liberal that uses blacks for their votes and we see the signs when Hillary spoke about blacks being "Wait Staff" and Biden and his "First, clean, black man running for prez". Then you have Al Gore whose grandfather was a slave owner and the poster child for the KKK, Sen. Robert Byrd, grand knight of the KKK. Yeah, I bet none of these are racists either.

Posted by: George Bush at May 1, 2007 1:42 PM

I hate to say it, but this George Bush person makes a good point here. However, it should be noted that Biden is a very conservative blowhard DLC (DINO) Democrat who is loathed by the left; Byrd has very eloquently and publically repudiated his past indiscressions in this regard - and essentially all of his fellow "Dixiecrats" jumped ship for the Republican party in the '60s and '70s (google "southern strategy"); as for Al Gore's Grandfather....get serious, this is 2007.

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

"the defining factor for the man"??? To who? Him? You? What the hell are you talking about? Do you hear youself? Race is his "calling card to validity?" What in god's name is this supposed to mean? Is Mormonism Romey's calling card? Is being a woman the "defining factor" for Clinton? Can you not see the inherent bias in forcing Obama into "blackness" while Giuliani can play on his Italian ancestry all he wants without being defined by it?

"And in your world they're not offended by stereotypes if they come from a black LA Times writer essentially saying that white folks won't vote for a black man who isn't a tea-and-milk version of Sidney Poitier doing his best nice negro pretty boy routine towards the white man."

Says who there not offended in my world?! I didn't say anyone was offended or not, but I guess you have exactly one preparation to you arguments, a liberal dose of Cecelia's relativist reduction sauce. You're the one trying to dismiss people being offended at ridiculous racial stereotypes as "feigning the vapors." Not me. I'm not saying anyone is or isn't offended by that article. The article sucks hard, sharing as it does your apparent bias that a vote for Obama must somehow, some way be about race, because, my god, HE'S BLACK. But Rush's audio blackface act is worse by a mile in three different directions, and anyone who can't see the difference just doesn't want to.

Race simply isn't in any meaninful way the source of Obama's political strength. It is a plus and a minus, my guess being overall a minus. Obama is far and away the best speaker of any of the candidates, and most closely resembles the current center-left Democratic position. Plus he seems to have been more right about the Iraq war for longer than anyone else. And so, duh, he is a strong candidate and possibly the frontrunner. It would be news if he wasn't. But he's black, so that must be the "defining factor" and his "calling card."

I have little tolerance for the article because I think it's so far off, but I have NO tolerance for people who want to use that as an excuse to peddle scornful racial garbage while pretending to have some deep conversation. That is not what the song is. Limbaugh is clearly infatuated with race. He knows it sells to his select audience. And he is simultaneously selling the notion that Obama politically is nothing but his "race" (which you seem to be on board with), and that as a "halfrican american" his "race" is somehow both watered down and unacceptable.

"What VOK is willfully blind towards is the song isn't about invoking "white rage", it's a parody of the sort of politics that have been played by Al Sharpton already"

I thought you had a rule about "quotes" "Cecelia." What was it "again?"

I get the satire, I already said that, so the "willfully blind" comment is off. The point is that while the real satirical content comes against Sharpton, only an political dumkopf would think Sharpton, the ostensible target of the song, is the target of Rush's effort. It's obvious who the real target is. And it's obvious that the disgusting racial content, the thing that gets the dittoheads laughing, is the most salient point of the song. Obama the magic negro!!! Ha ha! Lets sing along! He IS all about race, after all, that HALFRICAN AMERICAN, HA HA.

You can kid yourself about your allies all you want Cee & C. You CAN refer it to deeper points, but again, essotericism is not so much what pop radio is about if you are honest about it.

But he's black, so that must be the "defining factor" and his "calling card."

I have little tolerance for the article because I think it's so far off, but I have NO tolerance for people who want to use that as an excuse to peddle scornful racial garbage while pretending to have some deep conversation. That is not what the song is. Limbaugh is clearly infatuated with race. He knows it sells to his select audience. And he is simultaneously selling the notion that Obama politically is nothing but his "race" (which you seem to be on board with), and that as a "halfrican american" his "race" is somehow both watered down and unacceptable.

Posted by: VOK at May 1, 2007 5:13 PM

Who's arguing that the Rush parody is the slightest bit indicative of "deep" discussion. It's parody and it ridicules something that is already in play --- as in the LA Times piece and its trial ballooning of what and who is legitimately black enough.

As I said, you'll have your hands full of racially charged material from your own side, that's parody worthy before the primary is over.

"Yet, they can't produce a SINGLE PERSON who has EVER BEEN TORTURED."

Maher Arar, dumbasses. Taken on AMERICAN soil and rendered to Syria, where he was TORTURED.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

It is interesting to read how Olbermann tied himself in knots trying to call Tenet a sage and then a liar and then a sage. I guess in Olbermann's world Tenet is telling the truth when he says something against the Bush administration but everything else is just a lie. Funny how Olbermann did not even bring up the parts in Tenet's book when he blames the Clinton administration's slashing of the intelligence budget for the 9/11 attacks.

Maher Arar, dumbasses. Taken on AMERICAN soil and rendered to Syria, where he was TORTURED.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Posted by: at May 1, 2007 6:01 PM
He was tortured by the Syrians, idiot! By the way, he deserved everything he got.

I'm putting on my psycology hat. I don't go over to MoveOn.org or Huffington Post. I have read they don't allow differing opinions as does this board or other conservative boards. And liberals preach free speech. I have no need to begin with to read garbage from some of the dumbest bastards walking on this planet. All I need is Fox News to expose how insane the left has become. I also have no need to argue with these dumb bastards because it would b e like arguing with a sign post and I would have to get in the gutter to be on level with their mentallity.

You have to ask your self why Sir Liar of Hate, Baldrat, Codas, Mike, Inderick, these stupid liberal Hos, Bill O'Lielly come onto this board. Can it be to defend Olby.

Not so fast. This goes back to their childhoods when they were bullied and have ran skeerd all their lives. All that rage and fear bottled up for years and now that Gore has invented the Net they can spout off at will. Now they can shoot their mouths off without fear of someone filling it with a set of knuckles.

Then add that they have zero personal lives because they post on the net all day. Do a search on Sir Loin. This boy lives on the net. I bet his ass is three foot wide. Blindrat is so filled with hate his head is as bald as a bowling ball and his gut is reaching Mike Moore proportions and he is a bitter old fart. And that just about sums up a liberal.

Now I'll put on my President hat.

Hey liberals, impeach this: VETO.

Whoo. Too much work for oneday. In five seconds I wiped out 4 months of liberal squalling, surrender and appeasement. Mission Accomplished today. Think I'll hop on my personal jet and fly down to Texas and clear some brush.

George W. Bush

Why is Ulbermahn a hack?
Posted by: The Joker at May 1, 2007 1:10 PM

Why isn't the Joker funny?

"He was tortured by the Syrians, idiot!"

Because WE HANDED HIM TO THE SYRIANS, who TORTURED him on our behalf! We were complicit in it and aided and abetted that. In a criminal court, it would be a felony!

"By the way, he deserved everything he got."

Oh really, then why was he RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE and allowed to return to Canada?

Nitwit.

Great Quotes in History From George Tenet

"I wonder," Tenet said, "if it has anything to do with this guy taking pilot training."

After 9/11

SLOB says:

"Byrd has very eloquently and publically repudiated his past [racial] indiscressions in this regard. . . "

Oh but look what we have here . .

"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."

Sen. Robert Byrd- "reformed" racist; March, 2001

Hank: blind man !

Never has found a misdeed a republican has done !

"Who's arguing that the Rush parody is the slightest bit indicative of "deep" discussion. It's parody and it ridicules something that is already in play --- as in the LA Times piece and its trial ballooning of what and who is legitimately black enough."

Trial ballooning? By who? Can you explain that?

You can have a deep discussion through parody. Of course you can. And I think if you listen to the show, that is exactly what limbaugh is claiming to do. That is the plausible deniability. That the exoteric content-- simply making fun of black people and pointing out that this is Obamas ethnicity at every possible turn-- is not the main intent. Cee's rejoinder made sense, that I can't KNOW with certainty what is in Rush Limbaugh's heart. He's right. I can only go on the pattern and the effects and make my educated guess. Yours position seems to be, once again, that it's o.k. because it's only a little bad and anyway my side will do it too later and anyway the people who pretend to be offended are big fakes and anyway Obama is just all about ethnicity and has no experience and anyway...

I think you have lost the noodle of this argument under your generous helping of your patented relativist reduction sauce.

I think you have lost the noodle of this argument under your generous helping of your patented relativist reduction sauce.

Posted by: VOK at May 2, 2007 2:04 PM

I can live with that estimation, VOK... Your paraphrasing of my argument just reeks but I'm not intereseted in the discussion enough to clarify.

I"ll read your remarks and ponder them if you want to continue on or if someone else joins you, but otherwise, I'm done.

"Your paraphrasing of my argument just reeks but I'm not intereseted in the discussion enough to clarify.

I"ll read your remarks and ponder them if you want to continue on or if someone else joins you, but otherwise, I'm done."

Yowza! Taking your ball and going home. At least you were interested enough to tell me you're not interested, if not interested enough to explain this:

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

Worst thing I've ever read from you IMHO. You should be wanting to clarify that.

I didnt aay "entertain or me I leave", VOK.

You started with "explain that", I answered "check!"

Sometimes you start something and find you can't sustain any interest in finishing it.

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

"Sometimes you start something and find you can't sustain any interest in finishing it."

I suppose I can very much respect that in this case.

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

"Sometimes you start something and find you can't sustain any interest in finishing it."

I suppose I can very much respect that in this case.

Posted by: VOK at May 2, 2007 5:57 PM

You've already contradicted your last post. See. You don't need anyone else for that.

"You've already contradicted your last post. See. You don't need anyone else for that."

I'm not contradicting my post. I am accepting and applauding your explanation of why you will not be defending this:

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

If you did have interest in defending it I would think less of you than I do for dropping it, but not as much as I would if you said "gee, that was about the stupidest thing I ever wrote here."

"You've already contradicted your last post. See. You don't need anyone else for that."

I'm not contradicting my post. I am accepting and applauding your explanation of why you will not be defending this:

"Let me add too, VOK, that if you think for one minute that Obama's race is not the defining factor for the man, and his calling card to validiity beyond his experience, then you are merely lying to yourself."

If you did have interest in defending it I would think less of you than I do for dropping it, but not as much as I would if you said "gee, that was about the stupidest thing I ever wrote here."

Posted by: VOK at May 2, 2007 6:37 PM

You'd think less of me?.... tempting...but ..nahhh...