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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    April 5, 2007
    Inside Olbermann's Latest Lie

    On Wednesday night, the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann delivered his 174th attack on Bill O'Reilly. As is his practice, he lifted it from his favorite blue blog source: Media Matters. It may seem like just another arrogant snipe. But a closer look tells us much about Keith's modus olberandi: twist the truth, doctor quotes if required, and when all else fails--lie.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    Keith Oralmann spoke:

    Your runner-up, Bill-O. When a Republican guest pointed out that we are in the middle of what could easily become a prolonged war between the Arab world and the Persian world, the idea that we're in the middle of that seemed to elude him.

    The purpose of this bit was to paint O'Reilly as a dummy. The meaning of what Soderberg was saying "seemed to elude him". On the Countdown blog they crow: "'Three Dollar Bill'" is a tough guy, no matter how stupid the things he says might be." So the intent is clear. We continue with Olbermahn's words:

    Bill-O said, "I would like to see that fight with us out of it. That's what I would like to see. Let them kill each other, you know." Guest Nancy Soderberg explained, unfortunately, right now we are in the middle of it.

    How does that compare with the actual words spoken?

    O'REILLY: Well, I'd like to see that fight with us out of it. That's what I'd like to see.
    SODERBERG: Exactly.
    O'REILLY: I want -- let them kill each other, you know?

    Herr Olbermann doctored the quote. Soderberg concurred with O'Reilly, saying he was "exactly" correct, but Keith snipped that out. Why? Because leaving it in would make it clear that not only did O'Reilly completely understand Soderberg, in fact Soderberg agreed with what O'Reilly was saying!

    But wait, there's more.

    Guest Nancy Soderberg explained, unfortunately, right now we are in the middle of it. Bill-O said, I know. She repeated herself, right now we're in the middle of it. He repeated himself, I know.

    To bolster the "Bill is stupid" frame, Keith claims they kept repeating themselves--as if she couldn't get some thought through O'Reilly's thick noggin. More OlbyPlanet distortions. The guest was on a satellite feed, and because of the delay they were momentarily talking over each other. And still this bit wasn't quite vitriolic enough for Edward R Olbermann, so it was time to pull another arrow out of the Olbermahn quiver: just make something up!

    She spoke slowly, as if speaking to a child: And that is one of the big problems. He then explained the world to his self satisfaction: unintended consequences galore. Mucho dommage to Bill-O.

    No, Keith. She didn't speak slowly. She didn't respond "as if speaking to a child". Anyone who saw the interview knows that. You were just so desperate to make something out of nothing that you resorted to the ultimate weapon in your armamentarium of artifice: Another Olbermann Lie.

    The following video documents all of the above. That Olbermann doctored the quote he read. That he misrepresented an exchange between O'Reilly and Soderberg that was really just talking over each other. And most importantly, it documents the latest ("she spoke slowly, as if speaking to a child") Olbermann Lie.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (72) | | View blog reactions

    72 Comments

    If Olbermann were to tell the whole truth, he would not have a show. He has to lie to keep his lefty audience.

    It's really a little sad. I'm no O'Reilly fan, and agree that he often sticks his foot in his mouth. But KO's urge to attack BillO is so strong that if Bill goes a few days without giving him any ammunition he just makes stuff up. It's like an itch he has to scratch.

    At this point I can't even figure out what his motives are. In the beginning he was building a reputation as the anti-O'Reilly. He spun himself as the guy that picked fights with the big kids on the block. I think that in those days the O'Reilly attacks, as stupid as they were, actually served a purpose in attracting anti-Fox and anti-O'Reilly viewers. But now he appears to have gone as far as he can in drawing that audience. His once-surging ratings have leveled off, so the nightly anti-BillO screed isn't helping him anymore. So what's the point? It's just weird.

    I am getting more and more convinced he has a serious crush on O'Reilly. I guess this is the adult version of kicking him in the shins and running away.

    I think that sooner or later even the most ardent Olbyloons will have to admit that the O'Reilly attacks are hurting more than they're helping. He can't continue playing serious big-boy journalist while at the same time flinging poop at BillO every night. It's getting embarrassing.

    Ulbermahn was really upset that O'Reilly wants to see the Islamic Persians and Arabs fight it out. Teheran Keith is upset Bill was insulting his allies and was expressing the opinion of most Americans. The reason Americans want out of Iraq is so they can all kill each other!

    Ya know, I chuckled the first time I read on here, his show referred to as "Meltdown." funny take-off of "Countdown" I thought.

    But, given the 1st Quarter ratings numbers for Keith's show, "Meltdown" seems to be the proper way to describe it now.

    Since his contract was renewed the show has taken a nosedive. That begs the question: does that fact mean more drastic tactics are on the horizon? Double and triple the O'Reilly attacks so that he finally responds?

    Maybe just an hour of Keith watching O'Reilly's show live and yelling at the TV "Oh come on!"?

    Double and triple the O'Reilly attacks? Oh, god, I hope not. Enough already. They're routine, tiresome, and tedious.

    Also, at first the double entendres were funny. Now that I think he's a pervert, they're just creepy.

    Can't believe they keep this guy on TV.

    You know after 3 years you think KO would learn that attacking O'Reilly hasn't helped him at all in fact right now Bill's numbers are pretty good and KO is on a slide.

    It's the law of diminishing returns in practice. At a certain point, audiences get tired of reruns and that's what Olbermann's show essentially is night after night. There's the standard Bush bashing, followed by the Republicans are Evil segment, followed by the "tributes" to O'Reilly, and oh yes, some crap about American Idol or whatever the pop culture show du jour is. and if you're tuning in to see real news items, i.e., about the Iranian-British Navy hostage story--then you're SOL as OLbermann doesn't report on those kinds of stories until he can label it as the "U.S. blinking" without any proof whatsoever that they did. The more discerning of Olby's viewers are apparently already jumping ship. The Olby-lemmings however will follow him right over the cliff. Good riddance I say.

    No Brandon, many of us never get tired of "Bush bashing". He needs to be 'bashed' right out of office and possibly tried for treason.

    Bush is the biggest screw up ever elected and I can assure you that KO's outrage is genuine and needed, whether YOU like it or not.

    And once again, the actual quote was "did we blink", not "US blinking". BIG difference in both the quote, and the meaning of the quote.

    And once again, the actual quote was "did we blink", not "US blinking". BIG difference in both the quote, and the meaning of the quote.


    Posted by: Mike at April 6, 2007 1:03 AM
    This coming from someone who said "I don't defend olbermann!"

    You haven't answered the question Mr. Mike, aka, "I don't defend Olbermann". Why on earth did Olbermann pose the question, "Did we blink?" when the negotiations were between Iran and the U.K.? And can you please tell me why Olbermann never once mentioned the story until the day the hostages were released? If he's the Edward R. Murrow of his generation, shouldn't he be covering stories like this? And how exactly can you be so sure that Olbermann's outrage is "genuine"? Are you a personal friend of his? Furthermore, if you review what I had posted earlier, I explained that Olbermann's ratings are back on the decline. Apparently viewers are growing weary of the constant Bush-bashing, the spiking of stories that he doesn't consider news, and the silliness with O'Reilly. YOU may not be tired of his worn out format but obviously it is no longer attracting new viewers.

    Before I do that Brandon, why don't YOU try explaining why you people kept attributing the wrong quotes to KO? He didn't say the 'US', and he didn't say 'blinked'. He simply asked a question in which the purpose of the question "did we blink" was not at all clear. The remark was far more innocent than what has been implied on this blog repeatedly. The story was not even a Bush bashing piece, as you people also keep implying on this blog every chance you get.

    You call it "defending Olbermann", but I call it fundamental honesty...something you just won't find on this blog.

    Here's some fundamental honesty for you. He "didn't say the U.S."??? So you claim? He said it twice. "Did we blink?" and "Did this country blink".

    Now maybe you think "Did we blink" he was talking about himself and MIchael Musto. It seems to me that when he says "did this country blink" AND "did we blink" it's pretty damn clear who he's talking about. And attempts to spin it otherwise are farcical.

    > The remark was far more innocent than what has been implied on this blog repeatedly.

    Oh yeah. Supposing a "newsman" introduces, say, a report on 9/11. In doing so, he twice says, "Did our government orchestrate it?" Oh, he's not SAYING they did. He's just "asking a question"...a question that he NEVER answers, that nobody ever refers to in the report that follows. In other words, it's propaganda. Red meat for the blue blogs.

    "Did this country blink" is emblemmatic of the sort of crap Oralmann tosses into his "reports" just to feed his groupies some scrap of anti-administration rhetoric. Even when there is absolutely NOTHING to back it up.

    Fundamental Honesty?

    I guess if you cherry pick a clip like Olby did again.

    That's okay, I wonder how will some people will react when Olby cherry picks a clip tonight so he can USE two dead girls and a drunk driver to get a cheap shot in on O'Reilly.

    What I think will be more interseting is when someone will come on here afterwords and defend.......oh wait he'll just change the topic or figure how he can take a drunk driver, two dead girls, Olby, to get a shot in on Bush.

    Maybe Olby will have someone from Air America on to help him? What are they down to 39 stations?

    Just a funny sidenote, Air America is on three stations that only have sunup to sunset licenses, how funny is that?

    But when you leave certain thinking behind because of a one time drug addict, to support and believe and defend a party of multiple Oxy Cotin addicts, drunk relatives that can't swim. People that walk into Subway Poles, Illegal drunk driving aliens that kill.

    Yeah your Mr. Fundamental Honesty ain't ya!

    Cherry picks video clips, Cherry picks quotes, but he's the most honest man in news.

    Thank God when I look at the ratings, I see that group is a small one.

    I can't wait to see how some people will come on this blog tonight. People that for years said 'Drunk Drivers are bad, they should be taken off the road.' But these same people will sit in front of their t.v. tonight and rub themselves silly when their master uses two dead girls to get a cheap shot in on O'Reilly and then come on here and defend Olby.

    Gee and we wonder why Olby's ratings are going south? I don't.

    That pee test come back yet?

    But to the free thinking folks on this site, fret not. The Q-ratings are in and FNC is all alone in fourth place. CNN & MSNBC? they didn't even make the top 20. Another funny sidenote, HGTV made 19th on the list.

    Yes folks thats right. People would rather watch a show on growing plants then watch somebody that walks into Subway Poles.

    Can you blame them?

    Oh my! a report of an accident just came over the scanner.

    Patrick Kennedy in town?

    God bless all and have a fine Easter weekend.

    Hey Puck: Where did you get the blinders you wear where you ignore the past 6 years of failures and misdeeds and concentrate on people like PATRICK KENNEDY for God's sake.
    You're a fool !

    Before I do that Brandon, why don't YOU try explaining why you people kept attributing the wrong quotes to KO? He didn't say the 'US', and he didn't say 'blinked'. He simply asked a question in which the purpose of the question "did we blink" was not at all clear. The remark was far more innocent than what has been implied on this blog repeatedly. The story was not even a Bush bashing piece, as you people also keep implying on this blog every chance you get.

    You call it "defending Olbermann", but I call it fundamental honesty...something you just won't find on this blog.

    Posted by: Mike at April 6, 2007 11:30 AM
    In other words, he can't answer the question, as usual.

    Actually, gentlemen, to in all "fundamental honesty", Olbermann DID ask if "this country" blinked, as the transcript from the prgram shows.

    Olbermann made the link between the release of an Iranian diplomat in Iraq as a trade-off for the British soldiers.

    He promoted that theory twice before a canned NBC piece on the hostage release that did not mention the theory.

    I have no trouble with Olbermann or anyone exploring the idea and I think it not implausible. But why not do so with "fundamental honesty" by acutally delving into it? No Olbermann just dropped out that charge as a little treat for the ever- disenfranchised-- our tuthseeker left.

    It goes without saying that any analysis of the charge on Countdown would be with someone who believed the "blink" scenario and unencumbered by any contrary opinion. We all know that Countdown would never condescend to the regular format for televsion news analysis shows that the corporate media outlets front.

    We can rest assured that Olbermann's voice of alternative viewpoints/reason/fndamental truth/gospel would never be sullied, stifled, oppressed, and contaminated by some host or guest talking over the ever suppressed truth...

    Here's the transcript where Olbermann says "our country blinked".

    OLBERMANN: Iran released the captured British sailors. Did this country blink in some way to pave the way for their freedom?

    And shock and awe in the war for campaign cash. Senator Obama matches Senator Clinton dollar for dollar, huge implications for next year‘s race.

    You‘re watching COUNTDOWN on MSNBC.

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    OLBERMANN: What, the joke used to go, does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Once that made geographic sense, but not anymore.

    In our fourth story on the COUNTDOWN, you have been getting gouged at the gas pump recently as a direct result of an angry standoff between Iran and Britain over the capture of 15 British sailors, and an increasingly nasty war of words between the U.S. and Tehran over accusations that the Iranians are sending Iraqi insurgents more powerful weapons with which to attack American troops.

    Tonight, those British sailors and other service personnel are freed, and so is an Iranian diplomat. Did we blink?

    The story behind the story from our correspondent Jim Maceda in London.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17965446/

    Nice work Cecelia, the person who already had foot in mouth disease, now, has even a worse case of it. Is that possible? Guess so.

    "the person who already had foot in mouth disease, now, has even a worse case of it. Is that possible?"


    No.

    Good god! Now you are obsessing over whether Olbermann said "did we blink?" and whether that was wrong or not? What the hell. All we have right now are questions, and a very curious coincidence that makes it appear we may have swapped hostages. What's wrong with asking whether we may have done that, framed as a question? I think most commentators are assuming we did do that. I assume so. For once, Olbermann seems to have been a model of restraint. I think that bothers you nitpickers more than the over the top stuff he usually does.

    "At a certain point, audiences get tired of reruns..."

    Apparently not here at OlbermannWatch they don't.

    Which is worse...a repetitive show, or someone tediously chronicling a repetitive show?

    Which is worse...a repetitive show, or someone tediously chronicling a repetitive show, or someone tediously blogging on the tedious chronicling of a repetitive show?

    Good god! Now you are obsessing over whether Olbermann said "did we blink?" and whether that was wrong or not? What the hell. All we have right now are questions, and a very curious coincidence that makes it appear we may have swapped hostages. What's wrong with asking whether we may have done that, framed as a question? I think most commentators are assuming we did do that. I assume so. For once, Olbermann seems to have been a model of restraint. I think that bothers you nitpickers more than the over the top stuff he usually does.

    Posted by: VOK at April 6, 2007 5:39 PM
    Wrong, again, VOKie, the point was lil mikey said that Ulbermahn never said "blinked" when in fact, as proven by Johnny and Cecelia, he damned sure did say it. Case closed, lil mikey, wrong/lied again. Debunked, etc.

    You can resolve this "debate" quite easily by viewing the video clip of all THREE mentions that Olbermann made of Iran and "blink" from that night's roundup. In case you have not noticed I've been adding back in a clip or two from each show along with a link to the transcript for a couple of weeks now.

    scroll to the bottom of this post...

    http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/04/countdown_with_244.php

    The transcript does not include a promo bit KO did in between two commericals. We have all three clips.

    Only someone who is completely braindead would not understand that Olbermann is claiming that the hostages were released as a result of a secret deal between the U.S. and Iran. Further, that the purpose of advancing this notion, first advanced in a far-left British "newspaper", is to meant as attack against Bush since what he is really saying is that Bush made a deal with the Iranian mullahs, that Bush caved, that Bush is negotiating with terrorists, etc.

    Anyone want to make odds on how long it takes for Keith to get around to comparing the "secret deal" with Iran-Contra? Is Lawrence Walsh still alive? If so, you can expect to see him booked as a guest soon enough.

    Anyone want to make odds on how long it takes for Keith to get around to comparing the "secret deal" with Iran-Contra? Is Lawrence Walsh still alive? If so, you can expect to see him booked as a guest soon enough.

    Posted by: Robert Cox at April 6, 2007 6:23 PM
    I'm curious, would "I'm going to drop a moab on your head if you don't let them go" fall under the "negotiating" category?

    Slick Johnny slick!

    Yea, lets discuss "fundamental honesty" again...but lets talk about YOU this time!

    The fact remains that you claimed KO said the "US blinked", when in FACT, he did NOT say the "US blinked", as your own spinning answer to my post confirms.

    You can play all the word games you choose about what you think he meant with an unanswered QUESTION that could be interpreted many ways, but the FACT is you are not being honest yourself when you don't quote EXACTLY what he said in your so called show 'recaps', and in the correct context.

    Before I do that Brandon, why don't YOU try explaining why you people kept attributing the wrong quotes to KO? He didn't say the 'US', and he didn't say 'blinked'. He simply asked a question in which the purpose of the question "did we blink" was not at all clear. The remark was far more innocent than what has been implied on this blog repeatedly. The story was not even a Bush bashing piece, as you people also keep implying on this blog every chance you get.

    You call it "defending Olbermann", but I call it fundamental honesty...something you just won't find on this blog.

    Posted by: Mike at April 6, 2007 11:30 AM

    OLBERMANN: Iran released the captured British sailors. Did this country blink in some way to pave the way for their freedom?

    Go knock on coward watches trailer and have him read this for you so it is clear.

    > The fact remains that you claimed KO said the "US blinked", when in FACT, he did NOT say the "US blinked"

    Mike, I think you were better at telling the truth before you claimed you were leaving than after you broke your word and came back. I NEVER claimed KO said "the US blinked". Not in my original writeup and not in this thread. If you can find me making that statement, quote it back to me. But here's a clue: you can't.

    Analogy: Mike says he's leaving but then comes back to OW. "Was Mike paid by Olbermann to come back?" Hey, it's just "an unanswered question". Of course, the purpose of an "unanswered question" is propaganda: make an insinuation, present zero proof, and truckle to the dregs who swallow anything from the MyDD school of journalism. That's why it's called The Hour of Spin.

    It's another example of your own spin, Johnny, which is FAR worse than any Olbermann ever does. Your EXACT quote attributed to him on April 4 was "The US "blinked"". Sure, you only put the word 'blinked' in quotes, but Olbermann never actually said 'blinked' either, as you quoted. Of couse the implication was that Olbermann added 'US' in front of the falsely quoted "blinked' to make it sound even worse for him in your estimation. I have a suggestion! Why don't you just go back in and revise it now it so you can call me a liar?

    And go ahead and keep bringing up the fact that I said I was leaving, something I certainly meant when I said it....and keep ignoring the FACT that this entire site that you ARE the face of....ALSO said it was leaving, and pretend there is a difference. Trust me, oh spinning one...there isn't.

    As for your "Was Mike paid by Olbermann" analogy! That was yet ANOTHER dishonest analogy. I, along with several others ASKED you several times if you were paid....and you danced around the question like it was hot, while never denying that you were. In this case, an absence of an outright denial CAN reasonably be assumed as an admission, but of course, you already know that. Whether or not you are paid, and by whom SHOULD be a part of the public record on this site, but of course, you already know that as well. AM I paid? No! But of course, you already knew that too.

    I also see where a post of mine in response to VOK, that contained no profanity, and only made some honest observations....seems to have mysteriously dissapeared, but hey, who knows, maybe I just forgot to hit the 'submit' button?

    Johnny, the more you mangle and twist my own words, and spin and omit my own comments, the more it becomes clear that anything you say about Keith Olbermann cannot be trusted either, but hey...you're just doing your job.

    Finally Johnny...your little lying troll, Jeff has been chiming in repeatedly claiming that Cecelia's 'transcript' 'proved' Olbermann said 'blinked', when in fact, it proves just the opposite. Nowhere in Cecelia's post, did she put the word 'blinked' in quotes, meaning SHE was simply avoiding telling an outright lie while falsely implying that Olbermann actually said 'blinked'. You, Bob, and Cecelia are all certainly smart enough to understand the difference, but Jeff clearly isn't.

    And Bob, you proved my point as well while defending Johnny by claiming anyone would have to be completely 'braindead' to not understand what you BELIEVE he was IMPLYING...which as you know, is pure conjecture.

    But you three know all of this. Jeff is the only one on here too stupid to understand the meaning of words, as well as the principal that IF you are going to quote a word in aa official 'recap', you quote the word EXACTLY as it was used on the show.

    Who's too stupid to understand words? Too stupid to see when they are dead wrong when the writing is on the wall right in front of them to see, for all to see? Now, you are accusing Bob and Johnny of deleting your posts? They allow o'leilly to wish death upon every body and you are insane enough to say that? There is absolutely no shame to your "game!"

    Here's what Olbermann said:

    "In our fourth story on the COUNTDOWN, you have been getting gouged at the gas pump recently as a direct result of an angry standoff between Iran and Britain over the capture of 15 British sailors, and an increasingly nasty war of words between the U.S. and Tehran over accusations that the Iranians are sending Iraqi insurgents more powerful weapons with which to attack American troops.

    Tonight, those British sailors and other service personnel are freed, and so is an Iranian diplomat. Did we blink?"


    I interpret this as Olbermann saying that order to retify a crisis situation-- escalation of tensions, gas prices.... the American govt worked with the Iraqi govt to release a Iranian diplomat who was being held there, as quid pro quo for the release of the British soldiers.

    I'd be interested in hearing and weighing the possible interpretations that you mention, Mike.


    Cecelia, I feel a cyclone coming on!

    "Hey Puck: Where did you get the blinders you wear where you ignore the past 6 years of failures and misdeeds and concentrate on people like PATRICK KENNEDY for God's sake."

    Maybe Because Patrick K. is a spoiled rich a--hole who deserves it.

    Cecelia: "I interpret this situation"...

    THAT was my whole point Celelia. You, Johnny, and Bob all 'INTERPRETED' something Olbermann said. If that is ALL you had done, we wouldn't be having this debate at all, would we?

    The fact is, you people quoted him as saying we 'blinked', when what he actually said was "did we blink", as your post above confirms for the umteenth time. In other words, YOU TURNED A QUESTION INTO A STATEMENT!

    We could discuss at length what we think Olbermann MEANT, but that would be another debate entirely. Who knows, I might even agree with you about what he meant.

    My point from the beginning is that when J$ quotes something KO said, he needs to quote EXACTLY what Olbermann said, NOT what he thinks he meant.

    But I'm pretty sure you already know that.

    Cecelia: My lead off quoting you in the above post should have been "I interpret this as Olbermann saying"...your exact words.

    > Your EXACT quote attributed to him on April 4 was "The US "blinked""

    Sigh. You really have trouble reading. The EXACT quote that I wrote was the following:

    now he can put an anti-Bush spin on it: the U.S. "blinked".

    You do understand the purpose of a colon (the puncutation, not the digestive organ), don't you? I said he could put an anti-Bush spin on it--COLON. Coming after the colon = a description of the anti-Bush spin. Get it? I was NOT "attributing a quote" to Olby or saying that Olby specifically said the US blinked. I said he was spinning and after the colon comes the particular anti-Bush spin he was using (i.e. the US 'blinked').

    I was also careful to say he SUGGESTED that the US blinked, which he did. I NEVER claimed he flat-out said the US blinked. That is a far less effective propaganda device; insinuendo is more Olbermahn's style. Clear now?

    I'm surprised I have to keep explaining the clear meaning of ordinary English words, but this is what one must do when dealing with Olbypologists.

    Cecelia: My lead off quoting you in the above post should have been "I interpret this as Olbermann saying"...your exact words.

    Posted by: Mike at April 7, 2007 10:41 PM
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    I was also careful to say he SUGGESTED that the US blinked, which he did. I NEVER claimed he flat-out said the US blinked. That is a far less effective propaganda device; insinuendo is more Olbermahn's style. Clear now?

    I'm surprised I have to keep explaining the clear meaning of ordinary English words, but this is what one must do when dealing with Olbypologists.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at April 7, 2007 11:52 PM
    Now, now, Johnny. Lil mikey does NOT defend Olby and has claimed not to be an olbypologist (yea, right). You better not SUGGEST that. Adamantly arguing for someone and their views, by no means, would SUGGEST that they would defend them. My words,again. Anyone that watches Ulbermahn knows ALL of his lines of questioning are SUGGESTIVE and LEADING and RHETORICAL. At least, to whichever bobble head's mouth he is stuffing words into at that time and any viewer that can think for themself, i.e. one who can actually use the thinking side of their brain.

    Isn't it fascinating how when I specifically address a post to Johnny and Cecelia, I get no less then two (2) inane responses from the site troll?

    Now 'sigh', Johnny...it remains that you misquoted Olbermann the instant you chose to place those quotes around the word "blinked". No amount of your spin, which is far worse than Olbermann's ever was, can change that.

    It is merely your OPINION that Olbermann meant that remark as anti-Bush spin.

    International hostage situations have occured more than once in recent history, and in almost every case, there have been behind the scenes negotiations designed to save face by both parties that eventually led to the hostage release. This one appears to have had no different ending.

    If, in fact, The US was involved behind the scenes in this situation, I personally would not have viewed it as a negative for the Bush Administration, and there is no evidence KO necessarily would have seen it as a negative either. IF Bush is finally learning that negotiation is actually necessary in a complicated world (some might call it 'blinking'), then I personally see that as one of the very few positive developments coming from his administration. Maybe, just maybe, he is finally learning something?

    The fact is Johnny, that if Olbermann is really as bad as you say he is, you shouldn't need to misquote the man at all, nor should there be a need to even IMPLY that he said something he didn't actually say. In addition, you should have no problem with quoting what he did say in your 'recaps', before spinning it back in a negative manner. That way, your readers can decide whether you're right or not.

    In this case, you never did quote what he actually said, but you then turned around and put in quotes something similar that he didn't say, all because you were so sure of what you thought he meant. And, never to be forgotten....your mission here is to make him look as bad as you possibly can.

    That said, I'm pretty sure I can expect some more background noise from the site troll, but I'm learning to ignor that.

    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 5:59 PM
    Wrong, I listen to Savage while I watch Fox News while I debunk leftists here and on other blogs like the puffington post, etc. Oh, and I listen to Beck, too.
    Posted by: royalking at April 7, 2007 8:48 PM

    So you have many of the nutcases covered.
    You have no diversity in your listening and reading. No wonder you're a dumb f--- and ignore the failures and ineptitude of your party and president.

    FYI..you're not debunking anyone....not a soul.

    > It is merely your OPINION that Olbermann meant that remark as anti-Bush spin.

    Wow Mike. You really are sharp. Nothing gets by you.

    "Hey Puck: Where did you get the blinders you wear where you ignore the past 6 years of failures and misdeeds and concentrate on people like PATRICK KENNEDY for God's sake."

    Maybe Because Patrick K. is a spoiled rich a--hole who deserves it.
    Posted by: at April 7, 2007 8:56 PM

    THat's like going after the maid in a Mafia household...and leaving "the Boss' alone.
    You charlatans make me laugh.

    THat's like going after the maid in a Mafia household...and leaving "the Boss' alone.
    You charlatans make me laugh.

    Posted by: at April 8, 2007 11:30 AM
    A Kennedy apologist.........

    So you have many of the nutcases covered.
    You have no diversity in your listening and reading. No wonder you're a dumb f--- and ignore the failures and ineptitude of your party and president.

    FYI..you're not debunking anyone....not a soul.

    Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 10:43 AM
    Isn't America great? You are entitled to your assinine opinion, debunked as it may be. P.S. I forgot to put Rush and Levine on my listening list. Now that's diversivity. Prick.

    That said, I'm pretty sure I can expect some more background noise from the site troll, but I'm learning to ignor that.

    Posted by: Mike at April 8, 2007 8:38 AM
    I'm a troll? If I'm a troll, what do you consider yourself? You selfrighteous bitch. You can't stand it when you get your foot shoved down your throat, can you. Just so you, I'm not going away, lil mikey.

    Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 10:43 AM
    Isn't America great? You are entitled to your assinine opinion, debunked as it may be. P.S. I forgot to put Rush and Levine on my listening list. Now that's diversivity. Prick.
    Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 11:54 AM

    All far right Kool Aid drinkers ..is diversity?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    Look up the word"diversity".
    God, what a dolt !

    Posted by: at April 8, 2007 11:30 AM
    A Kennedy apologist.........
    Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 11:48 AM

    How important is Patrick Kennedy in the overall scheme of things?
    How important is the president, vice president, attorney general etc. ?

    Who should we be focused on?

    Your deep seated right wing bias rears it's ugly head again?

    Patriots question and hold our officials accountable for their actions.
    You flag wave.
    You are not a patriotic.


    Who should we be focused on?

    Your deep seated right wing bias rears it's ugly head again?

    Patriots question and hold our officials accountable for their actions.
    You flag wave.
    You are not a patriotic.


    Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 12:42 PM
    Who's "focused" on pill poppin' Kennedy? I was just pointing out the fact you are a pill poppin apologist. Someone made refference to his wrong doings and you went off on a diversion rant. You're right, I don't wave a flag, I carry a gun. I'm that kind of patriot.

    From the 'pen' of the site troll: "I don't wave a flag, I carry a gun. I'm that kind of a patriot."

    Proof positive that the biggest nuts in America are the gun carriers.

    Proof positive that the biggest nuts in America are the gun carriers.

    Posted by: Mike at April 8, 2007 2:55 PM
    So, is that how you feel about people that protect your little coward ass?

    The site troll spewing out still more stupidity: "So, is that how you feel about people that protect your little coward ass?"

    Trust me moron, no gun toting loony fruitcake like you 'protects' me....or mine.

    Do you ever think before you open your big fat trap? Do you see the flip-flopping in your last 2 posts? You are one whacked olbyloon.

    The site troll emits still more stupidity: "Do you see the flip-flopping in your last 2 posts?"

    No moron...why don't you try enlightening me about that?

    lil mikey, put your dancin' shoes on and explain "the biggest nuts in America are gun carriers."

    The site troll spewing out stupidity AGAIN: "lil mikey, put on your dancin' shoes and explain "the biggest nuts in America are gun carriers.""

    It's so simple you moron; You bragged in an earlier post about how you are the gun carrying kind of 'patriot'....I just added that piece of lunacy to the FACT that you are absolutely one of the loopiest nuts I have ever had the displeasure of communicationg with in 55 years.

    Not to mention that one of the biggest fruit loops I have ever known personally walked around with a gunbelt hanging on his hips like he thought he was a damned cowboy or something. Everyone else saw him for what he really was....a freaking fruit loop!

    I'm sure he probably would have been a Michael Savage fan too.

    If, in fact, The US was involved behind the scenes in this situation, I personally would not have viewed it as a negative for the Bush Administration, and there is no evidence KO necessarily would have seen it as a negative either. IF Bush is finally learning that negotiation is actually necessary in a complicated world (some might call it 'blinking'), then I personally see that as one of the very few positive developments coming from his administration. Maybe, just maybe, he is finally learning something?

    The fact is Johnny, that if Olbermann is really as bad as you say he is, you shouldn't need to misquote the man at all, nor should there be a need to even IMPLY that he said something he didn't actually say. In addition, you should have no problem with quoting what he did say in your 'recaps', before spinning it back in a negative manner. That way, your readers can decide whether you're right or not.

    In this case, you never did quote what he actually said, but you then turned around and put in quotes something similar that he didn't say, all because you were so sure of what you thought he meant. And, never to be forgotten....your mission here is to make him look as bad as you possibly can.

    That said, I'm pretty sure I can expect some more background noise from the site troll, but I'm learning to ignor that.

    Posted by: Mike at April 8, 2007 8:38 AM


    I think it would qualify as merely being worthy of an eye-roll, your making a misquoting charge over "blinked" and "blink" and your arguing that it conveyed that Olbermann was making a statement instead of asking a question. Especially since the question was rhetorical in the sense that it carried a direct implication.

    However when you combine your eye-roll-worthy-- swallowing of a camel while you strain at a gnat ---misquote argument with an utterly disingenous interpretation of how Olbermann just might be pleasantly surprised IF he really did think Bush was "negotiating" with Iran..... well, it's just cringe producing.

    The man mentioned the hostages being freed and an Iranian diplomat being freed in the same lead-up to asking "Did we blink?". You tell me what other interpretation there is to this statement other than we had traded the diplomat for the soldiers? You tell me if the term "blink" is indicative of Olbermann's thinking this scenario was stateman-like negotiation rather than a capituation from the president's rhetoric.

    How inquiring was it....to throw out this "question" without any sort of follow-up or investigation? Is this indicative of anyone wanting who is looking for a real answer anymore than I am REALLY searching for some unknown answer to the one I'm asking now. Rather, Olbermann was asking a rhetorical question with a particular implication to a particular audience.

    You engaged in a similar type of question when asked Johnny, "Why don't you just go back in and revise it [Johnny's original blog about the blink statement] now it so you can call me a liar?" What sort of information are you truly seeking to this inquiry? What sort of information are you ACTUALLY seeking to imply by this question?

    You engaged in a similar type of question when asked Johnny, "Why don't you just go back in and revise it [Johnny's original blog about the blink statement] now it so you can call me a liar?" What sort of information are you truly seeking to this inquiry? What sort of information are you ACTUALLY seeking to imply by this question?

    Posted by: Cecelia at April 9, 2007 5:46 AM
    Cecelia, it's called "spewing at the mouth! I will have to remember the "cringe producing" one, that's a good description.

    Cecelia:

    The ENTIRE point of my argument was to point out that J$ had not been completely honest in his show 'recap' from April 4.

    That's IT!

    What Olberman MEANT is another argument entirely, and engaging in an in depth discussion about that would have meant evading the point that I was making.

    And once again...that point was; Johnny could and should included whatever interpretation he chooses regarding KO's comments, but he should NEVER do it when leaving out the actual quote, and including only his own negative interpretation of it.

    The implication I keep seeing is that it is possible to be judge and jury of Olbermann, and his show simply by reading Johnny's 'recaps',....and I say this is impossible as long as the 'recaps' do not show include more fundamental honesty than they currently do.

    lil mikey, now you're claiming to know what Ulbermahn actually MEANT? Tell us, what did he actually MEAN? Is it possible to tell us what he really MEANT (like you would know) w/out actually defending him, as you have said you don't do?

    The site troll, once again injecting his venomous stupidity into a conversation he's not even a part of: "lil mikey, now you're claiming to know what Ulbermahn actually MEANT?"

    Jeff, is it REALLY possible for an adult human being to be as stupid as you are? You fascinate me because I really don't know anyone in real life as stupid as you are. If I do, they are at least smart enough to keep their mouths shut....which automatically makes them exponentially smarter than you are.

    The 'question' you just parroted back to me proves that the central point of the ENTIRE discussion flew right over your brainless head.

    (A discussion that NEVER involved You in the first place).

    (A discussion that NEVER involved You in the first place).


    Posted by: Mike at April 9, 2007 2:21 PM
    Practice what you parrot, lil mikey. Another "spew" that he can't explain.

    Now I'm being accused of being 'Cecil' and 'Beverly' again....LOL!

    C'mon Jeff, answer the question: Is it theoretically possible for a real adult human being to be as incredibly stupid as you are?

    In other words Jeff, is your entire act a put on?.... or is this just another "Rudy Ramirez" act?

    Cecelia:

    The ENTIRE point of my argument was to point out that J$ had not been completely honest in his show 'recap' from April 4.

    That's IT!

    Posted by: Mike at April 9, 2007 12:52 PM


    You need to reread your posts. Actually, you haven't just argued that Johnny should quote Olbermann more accurately, you tried to made a case that the so-called misquoting was enoughh to undo the logic of the interpretation that Johnny rendered.

    You've also stated that there are many ways Olbermann's words can be interpreted AND because of this his statements are too unclear for any accurate interpretation to be possible.

    When pressed to explain this part of your posts, you revert to saying that this is another argument.

    Well, this is a conclusions you've made. Don't act like we're going off into a tangent by bringing it up. Throw out these other obvous possible interpretations that will help us to conclude that Olbermann might have been making a different point.


    "...the ENTIRE discussion flew right over your brainless head. "

    The Jihadists would be in for a big surprise if they ever cut off Jeff's head.

    They would obviously think after doing so, it would get him to shut up, but undoubtedly it wouldn't.

    Blah Blah Blah!

    So, is that how you feel about people that protect your little coward ass?
    Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 3:48 PM

    Jeff's the ONLY poster here that always talks about how cowardly other people are and how brave he is (remember his claim, "I ain't afraid of nothing or no one, if they get through my beagle, they'll have to deal with me!"

    Anyone who's taken at least an intro to psych course knows exactly what this means.

    Poor Jeff...

    Doesn't even know any better...

    This Mike guy sounds like a faggot.

    I don't know what's funnier tonite.
    Cecelia and her pontificating, or someone calling Mike( who bravely served his country) a faggot.

    These right wingers keep us totally amused.

    not half as amusing as we find you Berry/Kathy/orinenglish. Loved your latest at Ko.org. Will be devoting an entire post to that tomorrow.

    This Mike guy sounds like a faggot.

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