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While I realize I'm stepping into rough waters over here, it's not the first time I've done it. And I survived the first with all appendages (and honor) still intact. So, at the Founder's encouragement, I've agreed to stop in from time to time and try to give some/most of you something to challenge me about.
Yes, it's true. I tend to appreciate what Keith Olbermann is trying to do on "Countdown". I say that as someone with 30 years experience in Television News (although I've recently made a huge career change into something totally unrelated to television or any aspect of broadcasting.)
Still, I believe I can bring some thoughts to the table that you'll find interesting and challenging.My perspective on Keith and Countdown continues to be largely based on content and presentation. At the core of that perspective is my belief that the broadcast writing on Countdown is some of the best of that genre. Anywhere. For that very reason, his "Special Comments" are among my favorite parts of Countdown. Honestly, I don't believe I've seen or heard better writing on any channel, in any format, for a long, long time.
I'll also tell you, upfront, that I personally wish he did not call the program a "newscast". That gets under my journalistically-hardened psyche more than a little, since he does cross that line between journalist and commentator. My schooling tells me you're not supposed to do that. Edward R. Murrow did it, but in a much morelow-key manner (and, please note, that I'm not calling Olbermann a " modern-day Murrow". Not yet.) But, times have changed. It's not a 3-network world anymore and viewers have become much more sophisticated. I believe they can watchOlbermann in action and discern when he crosses that line.
Finally, to bring all of this current, I had to chuckle moments ago when Olbermann avoided naming a "Worst Person in the World" tonight, after teasing the Geraldo Rivera/Bill O'Reilly shouting match over a mayor and police chief who failed to deport an illegal alien who killed a girl while driving drunk. Serious topic, true. But, O'Reilly turned it into a travesty by his performance during the discussion with Rivera. So, tonight, for the first time, Olbermann named a BEST Person in the World. Geraldo Rivera. Ya gotta love it. Don't ya?
Sounds like you are the only sane person on this site, New Kid on The Block.
Okay Doug. I'll take the bait. How can you say that Keith's show is "the best show in the genre" when you have witnessed mountains of lies, hypocracy, bias, and personal attacks from Keith? Don't you think that a man on a self described "news show" and a man who thinks of himself as this generations Edward R. Murrow should behave more respectable?
How can ANYONE support this guy when in ALL of the times I've watched the show , he has NEVER, EVER, ONCE had anyone on with a dissenting opinion. I can't stand anything about the guy (his smugness, hypocracy, fake nervous tics, etc.,etc.) but I would have a smidgeon of respect for him if he would JUST ONCE have an opposing view on.
Sounds like you are the only sane person on this site, New Kid on The Block.
Posted by: at April 6, 2007 10:21 PM
I beg to differ, "anon."
So tell me. Do you honestly believe Olbermann is an unbiased journalist?
Olby is a pussy
Thank you, Doug. I pretty much echo your sentiments. And I agree with you about the "newscast" designation. If I want hard news, I go elsewhere (radio and the internet, mainly).
Doug,
I may disagree with you politically but congrats on getting a guest spot. Diversity of opinion is good, so good luck posting here!
Doug,
Olbermann is the best Propagandist. I agree with that. He stays focus and day after day keeps with the same message.
Welcome Back Doug Thanks for stopping by.
Yes it's just another in a long line of dopey stunts by the dopey man, I guess what he did might have kept him from losing any more of his audience.
Boil it all down, he got to show his Olbsession with Bill. Doug let me applaud you first before I disagree with you. You took the time to explain things. (police chief & Mayor) A small percentage of loons have used this as a another way to get a cheap shot in on Bill or the Fox News Channel.
You at least explained yourself and if you said you had to chuckle at what dopey said, fine.
Doug I listen the 'The Radio Factor' more than I watch the t.v. show.
When Bill comes on the radio and the first thing he says is something that has happened to a child by an adult. The first thing that crosses my mind is, 'Here we go!'
Yes Bill has said it many times on his radio show about what adults have done to children has drivin' him nuts, because other adults in supposed higher positions of authority have fallin' down on the job or not even cared about it.
Funny, when I was a far-left loon one of the things I always remember my side (at the time) saying was. 'It's for the children'.
I remember when M.A.D.D. came to me and taught me drunk drivers were bad.
I remember when S.A.D.D. came to me with pictures of their friends that were killed by drunk drivers.
There are a lot of friends of those two girls that are saying today, 'Why was this guy out drunk and driving around?'
But because it was Bill O'Reilly that brought it to the for front. Oh this is bad! don't report it. Call a press conference. Take cheap shots at Bill, yada-yada-yada.
Gee if it was Keith Olbermann doing this, what would we be hearing? What a wonderful man! He's doing the world a service! Go Keith Go!
In the end two girls have had their life cut short by an adult who by all means (at least 3 priors last I heard for D.D.) should not have been behind the wheel either here or in Mexico. This lowlife should have been in jail. And if certain people were doing their job! We wouldn't have this story today and two girls would be alive today!!
Yes it drove me nuts today. Johnny Dollar had to drop the hammer down on me today on his website today because I lost it on somebody and ended up breaking the rules.
But also, let me say a lot, a lot of people I don't agree with and think O'Reilly is the biggest jerk in the world said today he was right going after this police chief and Mayor.
Yeah O'Reilly went nuts Thursday night, but if he didn't would we be talking about it today? A drunk who should not have been in this country. A police chief who fell down on the job and tried in a very cheap way to cover his ass. A Mayor who as Bill said 'Should be home baking pies'. And two families destroyed. And there is a judge in there somewhere.
Add to that, Kids getting molested by adults who keep getting put back on the street by judges.
Fifth and sixth graders having sex in school and nothing happening to the teachers or superintendent.
We should all be screaming just as loud at people we vote into power.
For the kids sake!!!!!
Doug I don't know if you have kids, but if you do you better hug them. And then go look out a window into the world and relize this. The Boogie Man is alive! Things still go bump in the night. There are monsters in the closet. And thank God there's a crazy Irishman from Long Island doing something about it.
Thanks for stopping by Doug
"...Countdown continues to be largely based on content..."
What a hoot. Countdown has no ORIGINAL content. Keith Olbermann "lifts and reads" from the blue blogs, recycles old Fox/FoxNews/Internet video, and has the same parroting guests every night. Throw in some insults, name-calling, and Mister Bush/O'Reilly bashing and that's Meltdown in a one-hour nutsack.
Doug, I give you credit for having the guts to step forward when you know you will be badly outnumbered. Although I probably will disagree with most things Olby, I look forward to reading your commentary.
I second that, Doug. It's good to have you here. The fact that you are willing to speak to people who disagree with you is commendable. Maybe someday you will be able to convince someone else to do the same, i.e. the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.
"My perspective on Keith and Countdown continues to be largely based on content and presentation. At the core of that perspective is my belief that the broadcast writing on Countdown is some of the best of that genre. Anywhere. For that very reason, his "Special Comments" are among my favorite parts of Countdown. Honestly, I don't believe I've seen or heard better writing on any channel, in any format, for a long, long time."
Hello Doug,
His show is often called a cross between "hard news" meets the Daily Show or the Colbert Report. I think Olbermann IS an extremely skilled broadcaster and very charismatic when reading a teleprompter. I imagine he honed his TV skills to perfection when at ESPN. Coming from that genre he continues in the tradition of "STYLE over substance journalism" learning well from ESPN, who some may argue, invented the sports/entertainment genre. So his program may be better described as ESPN does politics.
As for broadcast writing (of the news-type variety, you did not specify in your post above) there are far better written shows like: Frontline, NOW, The Daily Show, The Colbet Report, ESPN's Outside the Lines, even E!'s Talk Soup. I would say that Mr. Olbermann is good writer. He has a pretty decent knowledge of popular culture, vast baseball knowledge, and certainly knows how to use the internet(s). But pretending to be a straight news program even if for clearly delineated segments is very insulting. I sometimes wonder if the man is even a liberal. His "straight" news reporting, over blown special comments, Fox & other conservative bashing, and ignoring unfavorable "liberal" news is starting feel very transparent. It seems like he feels this formula equals better ratings, and that is what I find distasteful.
I would prefer he did his special comments every show, I understand they may become less "special", but then perhaps they may be LESS hyperbole and dramatic in delivery, and then we may get to see if he is able to sustain CONTENT. And if that "content" should lean left, so be it. (Jeez, Bush has about a 30% approval rating, you would think Countdown would be runaway success by now). Until Olbermann begins to put in more sustained CONTENT, (honest to his agenda content) into Countdown, (and less of the gag-reel filler junk and transparent ratings spin), only then will we truly tell if his writing is "some the best broadcast writing anywhere."
Doug, I look forward to your participating with both your OW posts AND in the comment section.
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Doug:
30 years in the news business matters for something. I look forward to what you have to say.
Feechie
What a hoot. Countdown has no ORIGINAL content. Keith Olbermann "lifts and reads" from the blue blogs, recycles old Fox/FoxNews/Internet video, and has the same parroting guests every night. Throw in some insults, name-calling, and Mister Bush/O'Reilly bashing and that's Meltdown in a one-hour nutsack.
Posted by: merkle923 at April 7, 2007 5:08 AM
Or you can just watch Fox and watch them "spin"...and mouth all of the White House tallking points.
The poorest excuse for a news station...ever.
When you see all of the bad policies, failures and corruption of this administration and have a news station still "carrying Bush's water" it's a pathetic sight to see.
Or you can just watch Fox and watch them "spin"...and mouth all of the White House tallking points.
The poorest excuse for a news station...ever.
When you see all of the bad policies, failures and corruption of this administration and have a news station still "carrying Bush's water" it's a pathetic sight to see.
Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 11:06 AM
Then poorest excuse for a news station holds 14 of the top 15 spots, they must be doing something right, you nice person, you.
Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 11:06 AM
Then poorest excuse for a news station holds 14 of the top 15 spots, they must be doing something right, you nice person, you.
Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 12:13 PM
AMerican Idol ( of which I've never watched) and other braindead entertainment scores very high also.
You think Fox's ratings make them political accurate?
All I have to do is watch 3 minutes of Fox news before I see the deep bias in their station.
Continuing to support a failed administration, is pathetic for a news station.
News should report and QUESTION.
All I have to do is watch 3 minutes of Fox news before I see the deep bias in their station.
Continuing to support a failed administration, is pathetic for a news station.
News should report and QUESTION.
Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 12:36 PM
You don't see biased reporting on More Snot Nosed BroadCasters or Communist Network News? If you don't, you're blind and ignorant, also. Fox News, Fair and Balanced, #1.
I've got a question for you Doug. Why does Olbermann never venture out of the safety of his studio if he's such a great "journalist"?
Royal( Jeff) thinks Fox news is fair and balanced.
And to think HE THINKS that he has any credibility is a hoot !
Just referring to CNN, a legitimate news organization, as "Communist News network" demonstrates what a total buffoon Royalking is.
To Jeff( Fox news14-15) Popularity means everything.
He's either still high school age or never outgrew that period of his life.
This is the same person that actually takes to heart thefar right wing blogs that encourage the Kool Aid drinkers to boycott certain TV shows, movies and music ( if they dare tell the truth about Bush)
Jeff( Royalking) isn't too bright.
To Jeff( Fox news14-15) Popularity means everything.
He's either still high school age or never outgrew that period of his life.
This is the same person that actually takes to heart thefar right wing blogs that encourage the Kool Aid drinkers to boycott certain TV shows, movies and music ( if they dare tell the truth about Bush)
Jeff( Royalking) isn't too bright.
Posted by: at April 8, 2007 8:40 PM
So, you are saying that if Ulbermahn was #1, it wouldn't matter? Popularity means nothing? Take another sip, try a different flavor this time, maybe it will help.
Just referring to CNN, a legitimate news organization, as "Communist News network" demonstrates what a total buffoon Royalking is.
Posted by: Why Do You Care What My Name is at April 8, 2007 8:37 PM
Get it right, it's the Communist Network News. "Legitimate?" that's your opinion.
Communist Network News? If you don't, you're blind and ignorant, also. Fox News, Fair and Balanced, #1.
Posted by: royalking at April 8, 2007 2:10 PM
Yea if you are a dumb as hick like you
"Just referring to CNN, a legitimate news organization"
A legit news organization......really... didn't they
run a story saying the US Military used posion
gas in the Vietnam war?A story that turned out
to be a complete and total fabrication.Yeah they
are legit for liberal morons maybe.
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"Just referring to CNN, a legitimate news organization"
A legit news organization......really... didn't they
run a story saying the US Military used posion
gas in the Vietnam war?A story that turned out
to be a complete and total fabrication.Yeah they
are legit for liberal morons maybe.
Posted by: at April 11, 2007 1:29 PM
Doesn't Fox news get their talking points directly from the White House ?
( Maybe it just seems that way)
There has never been a more disgraced news organization than Fox in American history, but the morons put down CNN.
Funny !
"Didn't they run a story saying the US Military used poison gas in the Vietnam war?"
I don't know about that, but the US Military definitely sprayed poison in the Vietnam War. It was called "Agent Orange", and it has belatedly killed many Vietnam Vets who THOUGHT they had made it out of there unscathed.
We just burried my brother in law last week after a long, hard 17 year battle with Agent Orange induced cancer.
Have any of you rabid war supporters asked yourselves how many similar human tragedies we are creating right now that are yet to be known?
"agent orange induced," you know this how? My grandmother had cancer, she wasn't in nam. How come you don't have cancer? Wern't you in nam?
"You know this how?"
How about the FACT that the Military admitted it, (Agent orange induced lymphoma), and put him on full disabiltiy because of it...that good enough for you....smart elek?
I never said I served in nam...I was there for exactly two days (visiting my dad while on leave from nearby Thailand). Not only that, everyone who served in nam was not exposed to Agent Orange...smart elek!
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