Misguided, overzealous and mentally ill are traits of the typical Olbyloon.

This reads like a speech by a politician or leader of a political movement. Someone with a cause, an agenda or view to promote.

It's not like any speech I've ever seen or heard by any other news reporter or journalist.

Can you imagine a Peter Jennings or Brokaw making such a speech?

Bizarre.

And the Olbermann faithful will lap this crap up like milk. They hate the troops. They hate America. They want to see us fail in Iraq. They cannot seperate their hatred for the Bush administraiton from the troops. And Olbermann is lauded for his bullsh-t and treason.

"many of them are at worst misguided or overzealous or suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder"

If you're right KO and they are wrong, what will happen?

But if they are right and KO is wrong, what will be the consequences?

KO can just say, "Oops, sorry I was wrong."

Unfortunately, the people defending this country don't have the luxury that KO has. That is, of being wrong.

As the experts say, we have to be successful every time in stopping terrorist attacks. The terrorists only have to be successful one time.

I would bet a mint that when Keith made the remark about many of our protectors being misguided or overzealous or suffering from PTSD, he thought he was being generous.

And the Olbermann faithful will lap this crap up like milk. They hate the troops. They hate America. They want to see us fail in Iraq. They cannot seperate their hatred for the Bush administraiton from the troops. And Olbermann is lauded for his bullsh-t and treason.
Posted by: at May 11, 2007 9:27 PM

Spouting this old and tired clique just makes you look like an idiot.

This 'old cliche' is sad, but, true.

Read Olbermann's statement. Now try and defend what he said. There's the audio. There's the transcript. He's calling our troops insane. And you're insane for defending him!

In your 25% right wing world it's true, moron,

I bet back in 2000 had the FBI arrested 19 Arab men claiming they were planning to crash airliners into the WTC KO would of said the same thing he's saying now...its a distraction,fearmongering that they are morons and etc.

BTW, how's the hunt for Bin Laden going?

Wasn't Bush going to get him "dead or alive" ?

Instead he attacked the wrong country and 100,000 deaths later...Bin Laden is still laughing at Bush !

And Olbermann just called our troops insane. Come on--explain that. And leave George Bush out of your reply.

"BTW, how's the hunt for Bin Laden going?"

According to the news anchor KO who hosts the news show "Countdown", Bin Laden and terrorism aren't much of a threat. It's all been greatly exagerrated or overblown.

The olbyloons are infuriated tonight, I love it! Let's see them defend their fearless leader now.

"I have no doubt that many of the motivations of the people who are defending us against these things are absolutely sincere and many of them are at worst misguided or overzealous or suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder."

Our troops are misguided, overzealous and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder sez Olbermann. But somehow, it's W's fault that Olbermann said what he said? Nah, you know, I'm not getting that. I'm getting that Olbermann is an idiotic a--hole. Accent on a--hole.

"The olbyloons are infuriated tonight, I love it! Let's see them defend their fearless leader now."

They can't.

On the one hand they have to say, like KO, that the terrorism threat has been totally made up by Bush and the evil Republicans to scare the electorate into voting for them.

On the other hand, they have to say that Bush hasn't made us safer, that the war in Iraq has made us less safe and that Bin Laden is still running around plotting attacks.

So, we're safe but not safe. The threat is not there but it's there. Bush has both made up the threat but also made that threat more dangerous.

Oy.

If we had a decent press, these glaring inconsistencies could be probed and revealed. But since most of the press is in the tank for the Democrats, they let these paradoxes go by.

No they can't defend what Olbermann said when he makes statements like the one linked above where he calls THEM mentally ill. If a Bill O'Reilly or any fox person said such a thing they'd be gone tomorrow. I bet that this video will never get beyond Owatch. GOP-controlled media my ass.

IMPLOSION!

About time.

"when he makes statements like the one linked above where he calls THEM mentally ill. "

Right. When KO says that people who are concerned about terrorist attacks here are suffering from some mental disorder, then those who say Bush has made us less safe (because of Iraq, alienating our allies, angering the Islamic world) must also be mentally disturbed.

According to KO.

The Left says Bush hasn't made us safer. We're in danger.

But according to KO, people who believe that we're in danger are not sane.

KO is calling his own supporters mentally ill.

Which makes it problematic, if not impossible, for them to defend him.

But they will. It's part of THEIR mental disorder.

Keith Olbermann could not understand radical terrorism if it slapped Bill O' Rielly in the face. Keith Olbermann obviously does not understand terrorism and should have refered the explanation to Olbermann Watch or Bill O' Rielly.

Olbermann needs to have this gentleman on his show:

http://www.lawrencewright.com/

Lawrence Wright, author of the best book written about 9/11: The Looming Tower.

He writes regularly for The New Yorker, hardly a neocon publication.

Ask this gentleman if the threat from Islamic terrorists/jihadists is small to non-existent.

But you know what? KO will NEVER have this person on.

Because the scholar has views that don't fit into Olbermann's worldview.

I am just so upste over Liberals, tonight ... it is over bearing. These people are obviously wrong and unhealthy for society --- the transcript and the entertainnment and media base is just so unbelievable ... The only thing really keeping me Independant Moderate is E. Schatz whose incompitance is just ... if he thinks he can slack off like he does and call himself conservatives is just beyond me !

BTW, how's the hunt for Bin Laden going?

Wasn't Bush going to get him "dead or alive" ?

Instead he attacked the wrong country and 100,000 deaths later...Bin Laden is still laughing at Bush !

Posted by: at May 11, 2007 11:07 PM

A classic olbyloon/anonyloon tactic, when you got nothing, play the 'divert' card.

Come on, guys. Give KO his just due.

He was very tough on those who failed to realize that soap flakes mailed to him were a REAL BONA FIDE TERRORIST PLOT AND THREAT.

A pizza delivery map making guy working with others who had assault weapons and were getting ready to buy explosives, RPGs and more assault weapons to attack a military base are a big joke.

Soap flakes in the mail to him is a national crisis that the media ignored and some questioned.

Perspective, please, perspective.

Grammie

Perspective, please, perspective.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at May 12, 2007 1:15 AM

Oh yeah. Substitute rightwing militia members training in the woods for the Muslim plotters. In this case, Ollbermann would be reporting the story in his most portentous and ominous intonations. References to FBI arrests would be made with a gravitas befitting the announcement of the apocalypse.

If the FBI an other law enforcement agencies hadn't of stopped the terrorist attack at Ft. Dix, it is the left wing kooks, like Olbermoron, who would be the first to complain how Pres. Bush is doing his job. Since no one watches Olbermann, the world can tolerate his faux intellectualism elitist mentality. Its his hypocrisy and other like him that make him and the others truly dispicable.

"BTW, how's the hunt for Bin Laden going?"

Ha Ha...You know whats real funny?..is how scared the MSM,Libs and Dems like KO are that Bin Laden might be caught or killed in the next 2 years that worries them more than anything else.

You know whats real sad....is that many right wingers actually believe what mlong just wrote at 3:57 AM.

Didn't KO once almost have Yankee Stadium evacuated because of an unattended bag? Now he's not worried about some guys with guns practicing for a terrorist act.

To attack the very people who put their lives on the line every day to protect us is unexcusable.

Another story you won't hear on CD....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18612770/

He's suffering from something.

Ya know what's really sad? I mean really sad?

That People like Mike (I won't say LW's because I'll be kind and not put them in Mike's very little group) fall for Olby's crap, hook, line, and sinker.

Did little Keifies foot hurt him?

I'm surprised somebody got in there to video it. It sound like there was about ten people in the room.

Molly Ivins I might never have agreed with but I have to say " At least I read her (unlike Dopey) and Keith Olbermann, you are no Molly Ivins".

Plus didn't Keith say she gave all points? Wait a second! Keith doesn't! Oh great! This woman must be doing handstands in her grave!

From a liberal icon to a third rate, teleprompter reading, Ted Baxter, hack lookalike. You far left freaks keep slipping in the gene pool!

Oh before I forget it's another icon of the tin foli hat crowd's birthday this weekend.

Yes the Rev. Jim Jones! I think all the fall off the table leftests that are here should be raising a glass of Kool-Aid to another one of their famous icons.

Some moron from some wacky Dem site sent me a bunch of dopey talking points yesterday, and at the bottom he had posted a video of one of dopey's 'Special Comment for The Short Bus Crowd'. With a line posted believe this man he knows what he's talking about.

I e-mailed him back, "Dude, I didn't know Ted Baxter was still alive"?

I never got a response! That guy is probably saying to himself, "Who's Ted Baxter? Was he Jimmy Carter's vice President?

Yeah dude, whatever!

Why does anyone care what Keith says. The guy is preaching to his choir.

Interesting reaction when Keith was the target of a vile attack by a "moron" (white powder incident). However, when it's someone else that may be under attack at Fort Dix, Keith is macho and full of bravado and dismisses the islamist perpetrators as "morons". Hmmm, I think we all know who the moron is in those two scenarios.

As I mentioned above, we could have taken apart this speech in a number fo ways. Here's another...

Keith brings up the Fort Dix Six case to illustrate what passed for a thesis to this half-stoned, rambling address - that its important for journalists to "think" when they are working on a news story. He says "the necessity for everybody at every level of the media to think. Now this would seem to be a fairly evident, self-evident concept to sit there and think when you have a news story in front of you but apparently it isn't."

Prior to that he uses an analogy which he says he has used many times before - "You're at a firefighters convention the building next door catches fire and everybody around you says you know I would go in there to the third floor and I'd bring seventeen trucks in for... well... no, no, no... you bring in fourteen trucks from over here go in through the fourth floor and you're standing there and you say are you going to go in and get the people out of the building and as they continue their technical discussion...you wind up saying "ahhhoom...I get it, I'm going into the building."

Got that?

In other words, Keith is using analogy to criticize journalists ("firefighters") who, when confronted with an important news story ("fire"), discuss amongst themselves the best way to deal with the story ("technical discussion") while Keith just rushes forward without deliberation. Yet moments later he is admonishing his "colleagues" in the media for a rush to judgement in giving credence to the charges brought by the Philadelphia U.S. attorney in the Fort Dix Six case - all while precipitously deriding the danger posed by the six men without having done anything more than reading a wire service story about the arrests.

Wouldn't Keith's call for journalists to "think" include doing things like reading the documents filed with the court? Calling the FBI or the U.S. Attorney's office or even someone like Pete Williams who covers the Justice Department for NBC News? Might he then have gotten some of the basic facts right about the case?

1) The store was a Circuit City electronics store, not a "photo store" or a "Photomat (sic)"

2) One of the men was a trained sniper who had fought in the Balkan Wars in the 1990's.

3) One of the confidential witnesses was formerly active in the Egyptian military.

4) At least one of the men had lived on the basis as part of a relocation effort under the Clinton Administration

5) One of the men was able to secure a detailed map of Fort Dix from his father who ran a business near the base (pizza restaurant).

6) Three of the men were in the country illegally and had a long rap sheet of minor offenses and drug arrests

7) The group was already in possession of pistols, hunting rifles and semi-automatic weapons.

The ONLY part of this story that even (very) remotely justifies Olbermann's derisive attitude towards these six men is the risk they took in turning over an incriminating video to someone they did not know in the mistaken belief that the clerk would not watch the video during the transfer process. The charging documents do not specify a "tape" but most software used to transfer video tape to DVD causes the monitor to display the video on the computer monitor during the transfer process).

I think we can all agree that taking such a risk would have been extremely stupid. So, was this event as has been described in news accounts? Is what the FBI is saying being reported correctly? Is the FBI itself being accurate or are they perhaps trying to shield the identity of the actual informant? I would take the FBI at its word in this case but for some reason Olbermann accept this information at face value while dismissing the rest of the lead agents affidavit (or has he not read it).

As noted previously, however, assuming this happened just as has been conveyed in the charging documents and in press reports - that one of these home-grown jihadis walked into a consumer electronics story, handed over an incriminating video tape and walked out with a DVD unaware that operational security had been compromised - it would hardly be the first time that a very dangerous person did something that would seem self-defeating or outright stupid.

I can't help think of Va. Tech here. That nut case kills two people. He has to know that the police will respond immediately placing him in jeopardy and yet he sits around his dorm making video tapes and then strolls to the post office to mail a "manifesto" to NBC News. Looking back, had the police responded in an "overzealous" manner and shut down the entire campus, cordoning off every building, frisking every person, inspecting every bag, they would have caught this guy and 30 people who are dead would not be alive.

"Molly Ivins I might never have agreed with"-Puck

Of course you wouldn't agree with her, she always had her facts straight and knew what she was talking about.

Keith doesn't care if soldiers are attacked at Fort Dix, after all, he believes they're mentally ill.

Ubermoronn stated that he'll give the "benefit of the doubt" that there was "some sort of danger" after 9/11.

Hey mickey, how do you feel now that your hero, Ulbermahn has called you a 'moron?' lol You've been silenced!

Robert:
"Wouldn't Keith's call for journalists to "think" include doing things like reading the documents filed with the court? Calling the FBI or the U.S. Attorney's office"

Exactly.

Reporters make phone calls, interview people, go to original source documents (like the court filings).

They just don't go to Media Matters or Think Progress or even an AP or NY Times piece and then just repeat what those sources state.

Just because something is stated in a wire service story (forget about liberal/left web sites) doesn't mean it's accurate.

The job of a news organization is, to state the obvious, to collect and report news. It's not to take copy or news from other sources and just repeat things.

From everything I've read about KO and his producers, they do very little if any original reporting. Calling sources, verifying statements or allegations, going to original sources, et cetera (a great example is KO's repeated assertion that Congress and the Administration took away American's habeas corpus rights; anyone who reads the actual legislation - the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 for example - can easily discover that that is not true).

And yet this show wins awards and KO is considered the future of news broadcasting.

Great.

Robert, thank you for the transcription, listening to his rambling and poor quality sound was tuff. Too bad Kay wasn't there to "produce" it for him.

Finally, someone from the Left saying what they truely believe. Have no doubt that this thinking resides in most of the left. They have hatred and contempt for our soldiers.

From everything I've read about KO and his producers, they do very little if any original reporting. Calling sources, verifying statements or allegations, going to original sources, et cetera (a great example is KO's repeated assertion that Congress and the Administration took away American's habeas corpus rights; anyone who reads the actual legislation - the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 for example - can easily discover that that is not true).

Posted by: Ohboy at May 12, 2007 12:26 PM

Since when has Bush followed any law?
Just b/c these Acts exist does it mean he has honored them?
Use your brain, for more than spouting right wing propaganda !

"Since when has Bush followed any law?
Just b/c these Acts exist does it mean he has honored them?
Use your brain, for more than spouting right wing propaganda "

Oy. I know I shouldn't but I'll try to explain it again.

Olbermann said THE LAW allowed Bush to ignore habeas rights of Americans.

The LAW (actually two pieces of legislation) does no such thing.

Again: Olbermann said Bush could do "A" based on legislation passed by Congress (those evil Republicans again).

But the legislation did not say that Bush could do "A" (those evil Republicans forgot to permit him to do more evil).

Please, pay greater attention in the future or we'll need to hold you back another year.

Leave it to an Olbyloon to completely assign a different meaning to what Olberamnn said here. It seems that the Olbypologists have to do that a lot--apologize for or translate what Olberamann was "really saying". He said what he meant. he said what he said. Now he needs to apologize for insulting our troops or at least take his fat ass to Iraq and report from there. Maybe he'd have a better take on this war and on terrorists if he did.

If Olby's such a brilliant writer, why wouldn't the man write an concise accetance speech. He's wordy and sounds as if he's rarely spoken in public. Had he been prepared maybe the speech wouldn't be open to interpretation.

Goper, I asked you to cite examples of GWB not following the law of the land on another thread.

You talk a great game of innuendos and generalities. That might be great pre game hype. But sooner or later you have get on the diamond, field or court to win the game.

Give us all the verifiable examples of this happening, if you can that is.

Hell, give us one example.

Grammie

What a boring ass speaker! Hope no one paid to listen to him.

He's not much without a script is he? Hell, he's not much with a script!

Goper, I asked you to cite examples of GWB not following the law of the land on another thread.
Give us all the verifiable examples of this happening, if you can that is.

Hell, give us one example.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at May 12, 2007 9:47 PM

I'll give you a lot more than ONE, but Bush has consistently worked towards bypassing the Constitution for the last 6 years.
It's not only what he has done, it's what's been his intent that has blemished this country.
The old grey mare keeps living in her right wing world of denial !

1. When Bush signed the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act , he included an addendum saying that he did not feel obliged to obey requirements that he inform Congress about how the FBI was using the act's expanded police powers.

2. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI is guilty of "serious misuse" of the power to secretly obtain private information under the Patriot Act, a government audit.

The Justice Department's inspector general looked at the FBI's use of national security letters, in which agents demand personal and business information about individuals -- such as financial, phone, and Internet records -- without court orders.

The audit found the letters were issued without proper authority, cited incorrect statutes or obtained information they weren't supposed to.

3. Since the 2001 attacks, the administration has also asserted the power to bypass domestic and international laws in deciding how to detain prisoners captured in the Afghanistan and Iraq war. It also has claimed the power to hold any US citizen Bush designates an ''enemy combatant" without charges or access to an attorney.

Now count how many have actually been convicted?
Still not getting the picture, Grammie ?

4.And in 2002, the administration drafted a secret legal memo holding that Bush could authorize interrogators to violate antitorture laws when necessary to protect national security. After the memo was leaked to the press, the administration eliminated the language from a subsequent version, but it never repudiated the idea that Bush could authorize officials to ignore a law.

5.The issue heated up again in January 2005. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales disclosed during his confirmation hearing that the administration believed that antitorture laws and treaties did not restrict interrogators at overseas prisons because the Constitution does not apply abroad.

In response, Senator John McCain, filed an amendment to a Defense Department bill explicitly saying that that the cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees in US custody is illegal regardless of where they are held.

The White House tried hard to kill the McCain amendment. Cheney lobbied Congress to exempt the CIA from any interrogation limits, and Bush threatened to veto the bill, arguing that the executive branch has exclusive authority over war policy.

But after veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress approved it, Bush called a press conference with McCain, praised the measure, and said he would accept it.

What Grammie and the Bush apologists will never get is the basic civics lesson that there are three co-equal branches of government that provide checks and balances on each other is being fundamentally rejected by this executive branch.

Grammie has either failed Civics 101 or just doesn't give a crap because after all, "They're her guys " !

Thanks to "your guys," America is no longer the shining beacon of democracy for doing things the "right way".
And don't you think for one moment that people will forget it, when they vote in 08'.

Goper, you are still in the locker room talking a good game. All these laws that you are complaining about were enacted within the parameters of our three branches of government. Signing statements to legislation have been around since George Washington. The Executive, any and all Executive admins, have used secret internal memos and have advanced sub rosa foreign policy goals. Check out my personal hero FDR, second only to Winston Churchill and Ronaldus Magnificus in the 20th century,

The history of our country has always been a struggle between the three branches vying to protect and expand their prerogatives under the constitution. At various times different branches exercise relatively more or less power. It is one of the strengths our Founding Fathers, men of rare and exceptional insight into human nature through the ages, gave us in our constitution that has guided and served us so well for hundreds of years.As an expert on Civics 101 none of this should come as a surprise to you.

Now, to the question that you have not answered:

"Has there been some serious problems with habeas Corpus under this administration: You betcha !"

I am waiting with bated breath for your very long (has to be long based on your statement) chapter and verse for those of us who missed it all."

The question I raised, and am still raising is examples (you imply wholesale violations) of Habeus Corpus being thrown under the bus. DING. At some point I raised the Supreme Court's 7-2 decision in favor of this admin's position re Habeus Corpus. Again, check out the Supremes upholding of this approach for centuries, several of them during FDR's tenure.

Give me some specific instances of this wholesale violation of Habeus Corpus. Not talking points about what the impact is or could be or GWB will do, but actual instances of the violation of American citizens Habeus Corpus rights. The Fort Dix Six sure got their rights. Why? Because they are not Enemy Combatants, legal or illegal.

This issue has been before the Supreme Court many times. Compared to Lincoln and FDR George Bush is a piker in what he has asked for, gotten and how he uses it.

Two things you might want to consider. Our system of government works so beautifully because individuals are hamstrung in going too far in any direction based on any charismatic popularity or specific events that stir up wild passions. Secondly, any actions taken now because of your hatred of GWB will be something that future presidents will have to live with or devote time and energy to overcome. And surely some of those future presidents will be one of 'your guys'.

Two parting thought. First, be careful what you wish for, it might become true. Second, never forget the law of unintended consequences.

Grammie

Grammie continues to ignore that Bush has given more power and keeps on trying to misalign the executive branch from the other two. Just check out the man who SHOULD be keeping HIM in check :

Under the Bush administration, U.S. citizens can be detained as enemy combatants and arrested without being charged of any crime.

At the House's Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales whether any U.S. citizens are “being held today, for over a month, who have been denied habeas corpus or access to an attorney.” Instead of giving an answer, Gonzales replied, “[Y]ou’re asking me a question I hadn’t really thought about.”

Sherman then followed up and asked whether there any “U.S. citizens being held now by foreign governments or foreign organizations, without access to attorneys, as a result of rendition.” Gonzales again said, “It’s just — quite frankly, I hadn’t thought about this.”

The Attorney General of the US sworn to uphold the laws of this country ..."doesn't think about it."

There you have it !
If this was a democratic administration ,you'd you screaming from the trees.
But , they're "your guys" so you pontificate , tie yourself into knots and decare victory.

gopher, Brad Sherman is a disgrace to public servants. An enemy defender like yourself. Does it make you feel proud to defend the enemy?

So why hasn't the Congress done something to stop Bush if he's so out of control as you claim? Why haven't they moved to impeach him?

After 6 years of inactivity and no oversight by the GOP Congress, NOW all of a sudden Brandon is insisting that Congress to do something.

What a friggin hypocrite !

According to little Jeffrey, if you hold your officials to accountability, you're a "disgrace and an enemy combatant."

This moron needs to read less right wing garbage and try actually reading the Constitution.

How am I being hypocritical? I think you're being hypocritical. You're claiming that Bush has done (or not done) X, Y, and Z and you claim he's unfit to be a president but yet youc an't explain the inaction of your own leaders now that they have the power to do something about him. Just like you can't explain why they all sat by and said not a word when we were preparing to go to war but now all of a sudden are claiming they were racked by doubts and fears and yet didn't have the courage to speak out. You can't defend them, you can't reconcile their actions with what they did then with what they're saying now and you know it. Face it, they lacked the courage of their convictions and were too afraid, for whatever reason (probably their popularity polls) to speak out. That's what you have for "leaders". And just how long is it going to take for Congress the Democratic congress to do what they were elected to do? the problem is that they're very used to complaining and not used to governing. Perhaps that's why their popularity level is as low as Bush's is these days.

By the way, I love the crap that Spud at Inside Cable is spewing on what Olbermann "really meant" in this speech. Thanks Robert for throwing the smack-down on him over there. I see he hasn't come back with a reply as of yet.

Sorry, I couldn't make out the outrageous comments from the endless, monotone droning.

Gosh he is boring.

---According to little Jeffrey, if you hold your officials to accountability, you're a "disgrace and an enemy combatant."

This moron needs to read less right wing garbage and try actually reading the Constitution.
Posted by: at May 13, 2007 11:22 AM ----

You are mistaken, BovineQueen doesn't read right wing garbage.

He listens to Dr. Weiner, gargles, then spews on the *treasonous LBRULS*

Where did you get the idea that BovineQueen can read?

Good work!

Ulbermahn is a Soros sock puppet hack!

You shouldn't wear your bigotry so proudly, Joker. Greeks have made many fine contributions to America. Why do you despise them so? Is it that they are not Western Christians? In other words, your bigotry is both racial and religious? There is no place for that.

"You shouldn't wear your bigotry so proudly, Joker. Greeks have made many fine contributions to America. "

Soros was born in Hungary, knucklehead. Not Greece.

Sheesh.

You are just really the biggest darned knucklehead that has ever walked this planet.

If the Olympics gave gold medals for knuckleheads, you'd win every time. Hell, you'd be given gold, silver and bronze.

Wow.

Are you serious? Olbermann is a Soros Sock Puppet? You obviously are one of the 28% who still think Bush is worth something and part of the even less percentage who hasnt realized that Bill O is a lucking funatic. Olbermann calling our troops insane? Misguided? No, Sir. Hes calling the men that aimlessly sign our troops off into battle without proper armor, hospitals, leaves of absence misguided, overzealous, and certainly mentally ill. Our troops are amazing. http://www.demockratees.com/warrior.html the man in that picture is an arabic-translator for the U.S. Army, yeah, a soldier. The left wing doesnt hate soldiers, just the men that send our soldiers into certain death for a worthless war.

Also, I invite anyone that has a rebuttal to that to email me at nick.corcoran@gmail.com Thanks.

The left wing doesnt hate soldiers, just the men that send our soldiers into certain death for a worthless war.

Posted by: Nick at May 14, 2007 12:24 AM

"Certain death", funny, how many hundreds of thousands have been deployed to date? 3000 deaths to date means certain death? Hang around nicky, we need a good laugh now and again.

Jeff, I'm glad YOU think WELL OVER 3000 soldier's deaths, many times that number with life changing injuries, and many times that number condemned to a lifetime of debilitating traumatic stress disorder is 'funny'.....I don't think it's 'funny at all!

It must be a strange place in that screwed up head of yours.

Leave it to mickey to put words in my mouth and miss the whole point nicky was TRYING to make, which was wrong. No surprise. Spin, spin, spin.

4 days and not a peep from a single olbyloon on Ulbermahns asinine comments. One threw in a "bin laden" ad a couple feeble spin attempts. Gotta love it. Keep up the good work, Bob. P.S. still waiting on my next marching order......lol.

"So, when we're fortunate enough to catch them in advance, it's worth pausing to consider what they tell us about the broader threat we face. According to genius New York Times headline writers, "Religion Guided Three Held In Fort Dix Plot." You don't say. Any religion in particular?"

The good ole Old York Times, defending the enemy, truly pathetic, to say the least.

No Jeff, I didn't miss the point at all.

Your dim little mind keeps assuming people are missing simple minded little points you are trying to make, when in fact, we 'get' every inane little point you make ....because your 'points' rarely rise above a third grade level in thought.

Your 'point' was clear enough...that not EVERY soldier is condemned to "certain death", but that is NOT at all what Nick said....or even implied.

Your response was to laugh at an idea that is anything but funny, no matter how you try spin it.

There are a total of 3398 U.S. troop deaths with a full count of 3761 when you include our allies. how many died in 9/11, the "reason" we invaded over there. Im glad you think 3300 people dying is trivial, and laughable. Maybe not certain death, but thats certainly about 3398 more deaths than were necessary. Bush should be hung for each of them.

Nick, you are being kind enough to leave out the US civilian 'contractor' deaths, which are never included in the 'official' tally. The last I heard, that number was over 650.

also, royalking, next time you try to make an argument, dont choose 2 words out of my entire spiel to try and rebut, poorly at that. Who taught you how to argue? Worthless, just like this president, and most of your party

Yeah, I know I am, i left out that number because I couldnt find a credible source for it. Blackwater man, shady stuff