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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    May 5, 2007
    An Olbermann Watch Special Comment: After shameful coverage of GOP Debate by Keith Olbermann, Republicans need to rethink relationship with MSNBC

    On the afternoon before the first GOP debate, White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Bush Press Secretary Tony Snow for reaction to MSNBC having Keith Olbermann co-host MSNBC's pre-debate and post-debate coverage of the event. Tony graciously side-stepped the question. The Republican Party, however, must take a closer look at the issue after the utterly deplorable, viciously negative jihad waged against Republicans by Keith Olbermann and his crew. As a site the wallows in the mire that is Keith Olbermann's brand of psuedo-journalism even we found ourselves shocked at Olbermann's behavior and saddened to witness the further debasement of a once proud broadcast news division.

    After the debate on Friday, the Associated Press asks Can Keith Olbermann straddle the line between news and opinion?. To AP's credit they are at least asking a question the GOP should have asked BEFORE Thursday. In fact, this is the first MSM story we have seen that has even asked the question whether it is appropriate for Keith Olbermann to be co-hosting MSNBC's election coverage given his strident, anti-GOP credentials. It's about time MSNBC be recognized for what it is - a propaganda outlet for the Democratic Party. I am not recommending that Republicans emulate the Democrats who ran away from a debate sponsored by Fox News Channel with their tails between their legs but its time to start calling a spade a spade. And I sure hope some friend can take Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and Pat Buchanan aside and ask them just how badly they need that check from NBC to willingly be part of the journalistic farce that MSNBC has become.

    As the AP article makes clear, the people running MSNBC are PART OF the problem.

    Olbermann knows to leave his opinions at home when he anchors events, said Phil Griffin, NBC News senior vice president. "Keith's an adult," Griffin said. "He can tell when it's appropriate to express himself in a commentary and when to be a journalist. That's one of his strengths. He knows exactly the tone and his role when he's doing anything."...For the most part, he introduced interviews and questioned MSNBC analysts on their own opinions of how the debate went.

    Really? Take a look at this montage of clips from the pre-debate and post-debate telecast on MSNBC. Keith goes negative from the opening bell, the debate is teased as a chance to watch a "live on stage" meltdown of support for President Bush, Chuck "anti-war war hero" Hagel who has zero support among the Republican base is positioned as a "shadow" looming over the debate, Arnold Schwarzenegger is presented as object lesson for Republicans because he has governed as a "moderate", Andrea Mitchell joins the KO chorus claiming Rudy Guiliani "has very little to commend himself" other than his persona as "America's mayor connected to 9/11", the first question from Keith to the handful of candidates willing to sit still for an interview with Olbermann (Brownback, Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter) is "were you making a veiled criticism of President Bush's conduct of the war in Iraq" (answer each time was "no"). It's worth noting that none of the major candidates agreed to be interviewed by MSNBC.

    The full nature of this absolutely disgraceful performance comes about 4 minutes into this clip when Keith runs a scripted piece called "Redefining Conservatism" which asks "what the heck is conservatism" (as if Keith is the guy to ask) and takes as axiomatic that all Republicans are conservatives (so much for libertarians, moderates, cloth-coat Republicans, Lincoln Republicans, northeast Republicans, or even Reagan Democrats or southern conservative Democrats). Incredibly, Keith actually appears to be pining for the good old days of Barry Goldwater's 1964 campaign and favorably quotes Grover Norquist.

    The nadir of the coverage appears about 4 minutes into the video montage below - the insertion of the infamous video of a 100-year old woman being beaten mercilessly by a mugger as Keith reads "today after six years of self-professed conservative leadership violent crime is on the rise". The message from the prepared piece is clear: when he is not busy killing our troops and putting Americans in concentration camps, President Bush is beating up old ladies in the hallway.

    Now, what was that Phil Griffin was saying about Keith knowing to "leave his opinions at home when he anchors events". Uh....yeah, right.

    Video: 7 min 30 sec

    Having Olbermann anchor _ as he will continue, with Matthews, for big political nights throughout the campaign _ is the MSNBC equivalent of Fox News Channel assigning the same duties to O'Reilly. Fox has never done that, perhaps mindful of the immediate controversy that would result. Fox has tried to differentiate between its news operation and its prime-time opinion shows, even as its critics believe strongly that's bunk. In this case, MSNBC doesn't try to separate news and opinion people, even as it tries to separate news and opinion. "We're not hiding from it," Griffin said. "We're saying he can do both."

    As Chris Matthews would say..."Ha!"


    Posted by Robert Cox | Permalink | Comments (105) | | View blog reactions
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    Why do you hate the constitution? KO is standing up for what you wish to destroy. Stop calling yourself an American.

    Why do you hate the constitution? KO is standing up for what you wish to destroy. Stop calling yourself an American, you don't act like one.

    I guess when Fred runs Keith will find a way to attack him for what Keith just seemed to admire about what conservatism used to be.

    As for Keith's standing up for something, if his lack of popularity is any indication, most people want him to sit the hell down.

    Griffin and Olbermann are longtime friends. I wonder how long PG is going to keep defending him, however.

    The "gramma beat down footage" was pretty bad, but overall what Olbermann said seemed pretty scripted and fairly journalistic. I think you may have reinforced Griffen's statement with this montage of clips. (Feinman & Mitchell were more biased in their comments). The unscripted questions at the end were Klassic Keith, though.

    I'm waiting to see HOW MANY MSNBC REPORTERS ARE ON PALFREY'S LIST OF CLIENTS!!! This should make for a FUN weekend when THOSE NAMES APPEAR!!!

    Robert does have a point.

    Having Matthews and Olbermann would be like O'Reilly and Hannity doing the Dem debates.

    And we all know Media Matters would be screaming over that one.

    Everybody knows (except for the far far left wing, kool-aid drinking tin foil kooks) that Olbermann is nothing but a third rate hack brought and payed for by Media Matters.

    Like Spud said over at 'Inside Cable News'. It looks like more people tuned to FNC to hear them talk about the debate. Then watched MSNBC with the debate. Why?

    Simple, when you tune into watch clowns like Olbermann,Mathews, Gregory, Fineman, Mitchell. a circus breaks out.

    Ankle-biters? Does anyone remember when CNN was calling Conservatives people with an extra chromosome? Or I believe in 1992 at the Democratict Convention when CNN had a doctor on saying that Conservatives decended from apes more slowly than liberals. Yes a good time was had by all back then.

    The whole NBC news division is going to hell in a handbasket, and if rumors are true and Norah O'Donnel takes over for Paula Zahn. Keith is going to have something to worry about, because Miss O'Donnel will have MSNBC in her sites.

    I really have mixed feelings about this. From a fairness standpoint, there really is no reason for the Republican candidates to want to continue anything but an arms-length relationship with MSNBC, given not only Keith's appearances as a political commentator on major events like Thursday's debate, but the network's unwillingness up-front to at the very least acknowledge those Special Comment biases to views who may tune in for events like that, but pay little attention otherwise to the channel.

    On the other hand, part of me would actually like to see Olbermann get even more exposure, not only on MSNBC, but by giving Keith a chance to be substitute host for Brian Williams on NBC Nightly News or even have him sit in for Tim Russert on Meet the Press (albeit that would involve talking face-to-face to more Republicans). Since there's nothing subtile about Olbermann's biases -- unlike others in network news who are liberal but use a surgcal blade rather than a meat ax to try and cut up their victims -- exposing Keith to millions more viewers would go a long way to exposing what NBC as a whole considers within the boundaries of non-biased news nowadays, along with the churlish quirks that he's become known for.

    I don't think it would be a pretty sight, and it would end both Keith's and NBC's ability to fly under the radar of public scrutiny, since "Countdown" gets away in large part with what they do because other than the True Believers, no one is watching.

    From think Progress:
    AP Uncritically Reports Giuliani Campaign’s Efforts To Marginalize Olbermann:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/05/ap-on-olbermann

    From NewsBusters:
    Giuliani Rep Complained to NBC News About Olbermann’s Debate Participation
    http://newsbusters.org/node/12546

    LEFT and RIGHT takes (on this thread topic). I have to admit, if Dems are going to boycot FoxNews debates, shouldn't Republicans have the right to at least "question" a partisan debate anchor?

    I don't think it would be a pretty sight, and it would end both Keith's and NBC's ability to fly under the radar of public scrutiny, since "Countdown" gets away in large part with what they do because other than the True Believers, no one is watching.

    Posted by: John at May 5, 2007 4:38 PM


    JOhn, I don't think the only thing that Republicans objections to Olbermann would do would be to give him a lot of free publicity.

    The fall down here is that the rest of the media refuses to do with Olbermann what they would have no difficulty doing if CNN were to use Glenn Beck or Laura Ingraham as news analysists at the Democratic candidate debate. Media--- media critics and analysist would be guestioning that and giving legitimacy to Media Matters, Moveon.org....in their screeaming bloody murder about it.

    I've been amazed at how quiet Media critics have been about Olbermann's not-ready-for-prime-time guffaws and need to brush up on some very basic information about conservatism. I can't imagine if Tucker Carlson were given the same role and showed the same weaknesse that there would be so little media criticism when it comes to the media coverage of media POLITICAL coverage.

    I think the reason for this is that the media, like the public, is against the war, and feels that it was too lenient on Bush as the country led up to war, and is more than glad to have Olbermann there doing what they can't do-- behaving with disdain toward the GOP and reverence towards the thought of having a Democratic prez take over.

    The media gave the democratic candidates legitimacy when they criticised and refused to appear on FOX. They aren't going to do that for Repubs with MSNBC, no matter the backgrounds of their hosts or their treatment of the candidates. They think they deserve it and are making up for some omission in the early treatment of the Bush Administrtion.

    "The fall down here is that the rest of the media refuses to do with Olbermann what they would have no difficulty doing if CNN were to use Glenn Beck or Laura Ingraham as news analysists at the Democratic candidate debate."
    Posted by: Cecelia at May 5, 2007 4:58 PM

    Cecelia, I agree, but...I think you would agree that Glenn & Laura were never considered NEWS people and were considered pundits from the get go. Olbermann did start out as a traditional sports journalist & anchor. And it has really only been in the last year or so that he has shown more blatant bias (or poor news journalism skills). But finally, with AP stories like this one, he IS begining to be "called out" for is bias & punditry. But there are far more "liberal" media sites that are legitimized by the MSM because they are often used as sources, (ex. Olbermann's constant use of Media Matters).

    I think there are many liberals that may not like Olbermann's bias, but put up with it just like the Dems have to put up with likes of MOVEON.org and other left-wing radicals of the party.

    I'm waiting to see HOW MANY MSNBC REPORTERS ARE ON PALFREY'S LIST OF CLIENTS!!! This should make for a FUN weekend when THOSE NAMES APPEAR!!!

    Posted by: Roger_W_Isom at May 5, 2007 3:39 PM


    Last night on 20/20 they said that there no names on the list "worth mentioning," which means the only 2 (R)'s were already leaked out. The rest are (d)'s and we all know CBS won't be letting any of those names out. They will get out, though, eventually. I'm guessing closer to the election.

    Cecelia, I agree, but...I think you would agree that Glenn & Laura were never considered NEWS people and were considered pundits from the get go. Olbermann did start out as a traditional sports journalist & anchor. And it has really only been in the last year or so that he has shown more blatant bias (or poor news journalism skills). But finally, with AP stories like this one, he IS begining to be "called out" for is bias & punditry. But there are far more "liberal" media sites that are legitimized by the MSM because they are often used as sources, (ex. Olbermann's constant use of Media Matters).

    I think there are many liberals that may not like Olbermann's bias, but put up with it just like the Dems have to put up with likes of MOVEON.org and other left-wing radicals of the party.

    Posted by: Save the Cats! at May 5, 2007 5:16 PM


    Save the Cats, I agree, but I think the fact that Olbermann, as journalist and anchor of a news show (a non-pundit) could make such a transition and remain legitimate, even heralded, is interesting in itself.

    I don't think that would be possible for any journalist making such a rightwight turn. Heck, look what's said about anyone who works for FOX NEWS. Contrast merely the stigma of merely having those credentials with any loss of legitimacy for being a journalist turned leftwing icon.

    Olbermann achieved his raise in status BECAUSE he has appealed to a certain audience. This bunk from MSNBC about Olbermann's ability to play unbiased reporter when the venue makes it necessary, IS bunk. NBC News senior vice president. Phil Griffin, may not want Olbermann in full "Special Comments" mode, but he wants him there to play journalist maverick and leftie truth-speaking oracle.

    I just can't imagine a mainstream journalist, after an equivalent rightward tilt/transformation, not being decried by the media analyists of the world ( let alone if placed in Olbermann's new role), no matter how the news network justified it by that host's new-found popularity.

    But you are right too, in that this will catch up with Keith. He will lose credibility eventually, if he keeps on with the DNC screeds.

    But right now the other journalists like Keith, like what he says, and are glad it's him there, risking the eventual blow-back, in order to say it.

    MSNBC will eventually have to remove KO from anchoring the pre- and post-debate coverage.

    That is if they wish to continue to have Olbermann conduct a program that's niche marketed to a liberal/left audience. If they wish to continue with that, KO will continually be hauling water for the liberal blogs and continue with his biased "reporting".

    If they rein in KO, he'll lose his cache with the liberal audience and the ratings will decline.

    And this, as we all know, is about ratings and how much MSNBC can charge advertisers.

    He'll eventually remove himself.

    And I sure hope some friend can take Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and Pat Buchanan aside and ask them just how badly they need that check from NBC to willingly be part of the journalistic farce that MSNBC has become.

    ----------------------------------------------------

    1) Never start a sentence with "and" or "but".

    2) The aformentioned do not "badly" "need that check from NBC"

    2 a) Joe Scarborough is a retired govenor.

    2 b) Tucker Carlson has ties to PBS.

    2 c) Pat Buchanan has had an extensive career in politics.

    3) I knew you would ask that question some time.

    4) Contracts usually are nonnegotiable. So these people can not just drop bags and flea to Olbermann Watch like you want them to.

    Griffin's funniest (and most disturbing) comment: "Keith's an adult." Phil, did his 23-year-old girlfriend tell you that? Olby said she was more mature than he is.

    Griffin's comment should tell you all you need to know about the buffoons who run MSNBC.

    2 a) Joe Scarborough is a retired govenor.

    Congressman.

    Not governor.

    -----------------
    The format for posting leads to shorter sentences, fragmented phrasing, et cetera. Starting a sentence with "and" or "but" is appropriate given the nature of the medium.

    This isn't formal writing here. It's brief, off-the-cuff "conversational-style" commentary.

    "4) Contracts usually are nonnegotiable. So these people can not just drop bags and flea to Olbermann Watch like you want them to.
    Posted by: Obama Watch Us Bicker Formerly in Technicolor at May 5, 2007 6:15 PM'

    How does one " ' flea' to Olbermann Watch?

    I would ordinarily not inquire. However, based on the didactic post you made I think it is possible that you have special knowledge and can enlighten us all.

    Grammie

    He'll eventually remove himself.

    Posted by: Ohboy at May 5, 2007 6:02 PM

    I agree with Oh Boy with a caveat. Olberman will have to something really egregious before he will have to walk the plank. Dan Rather for years and years demonstrated unvarnished bias against Republicans and conservatives and it was not until he got caught with his pants down when he tried to go with a story on President Bush's supposed AWOL status when he was in the National Guard. Rather of course did not check out the story and if he would have done his homework, he would have discovered the fabricated evidence that was being used to support his agenda.

    It will take something similar before Olbermann suffers the same fate. In fact, it will take something even more egregious because the media is even more committed than before to reinforcing opinions against conservatism, therefore, it will be with great reluctance that a media groundswell will build to oust Olbermann. That is why you saw very little reporting on one of the most unprofessional displays of behavior by a "news" anchor I can ever remember (the infamous "Seig Heil" salute by Olbermann)


    And while we argue from time to time, I am fairly certain he is glad I did not go along those doctors who wanted to kill him all those years ago.

    This is from a column. As you know, columns are not whatever you said but are sophisticated places of proper English and is proof that R. Cox mistake is not coloquial, but chronic. Also do not expect nor need R. Cox to return. I think it is obvious by now that R. Cox is proud, yet simpering, in terms of responding to criticisms about Olbermann Watch. He has not yet issued an appology for allowing E. Schatz to play with the Countdown summations, nor the sloppiness of his improptu Countdown episode guides, nor in keeping track of this reletively simple process of mocking Olbermann.

    So while I do agree with you on my Joe Scarborough mistake, I do not expect that kind of acceptance from the siteholder. My expectations are getting ever lower with each passing mistake, and I fear that Keith Olbermann's idiocy may definately be rubbing off on R. Cox and Johnny Dollar. A real shame to this website's readership tenfold.

    Hi Cecelia,
    Olbermann's bias is also legitimized as "news" because key media critics of the MSM lean to the left (and right now with Bush's approval ratings at about 25% and the war going so poorly, scandals), it is pretty easy to rally against this Administration, thus making it is pretty easy for Olbermann to "achieve status" in the MSM. (I would talk more on this, but I have to get back to work!)

    Save the Cats!: Shouldn't, because of the current republican troubles, the news be skewed slightly to the side of the losing party and not be against the right?


    The fall down here is that the rest of the media refuses to do with Olbermann what they would have no difficulty doing if CNN were to use Glenn Beck or Laura Ingraham as news analysists at the Democratic candidate debate.
    Posted by: Cecelia at May 5, 2007 4:58 PM

    yeah..like ANYONE would use those hacks as moderators for debates.
    Haven't you figured it out yet why no Fox news "personality" or far right winger have moderated any debates the past few years ?

    PS ( it has nothing to do with ratings )

    You RW'ers are so insulated that you have no concept of reality.
    You also keep putting down MSNBC and then actually start to believe your own insane rantings about the station.

    Just keep repeating to yourself..you've been wrong about everything the past 5 years and then maybe , the truth will hit you on your empty noggen !

    Hey sane person I can see "it" and I AM insane. Could it be you are not as sane as you think? mmmmmmmmm....that might be a conundrum you got there on your hands.

    Just keep repeating to yourself..you've been wrong about everything the past 5 years and then maybe , the truth will hit you on your empty noggen !

    Posted by: sane person at May 5, 2007 8:51 PM

    Sounds like you've been watching waaaay too much Ulbermahn!

    Cats, I'm glad you reconsidered and are back.

    A little welcome from me to you:

    http://www.frcblog.com/2007/05/a_lesson_in_web_etiquette_for_1.html

    Apropos of nothing really, but as soon as I enlarged the figure I thought of you.

    Grammie

    Just keep repeating to yourself..you've been wrong about everything the past 5 years and then maybe , the truth will hit you on your empty noggen !

    Posted by: sane person at May 5, 2007 8:51 PM

    Sounds like you've been watching waaaay too much Ulbermahn!
    Posted by: royalking at May 5, 2007 9:50 PM

    OK...here's your chance.
    What has the Republican Party/George Bush been right about the past 5 years ???????

    "What has the Republican Party/George Bush been right about the past 5 years ???????"

    Okay, I'll just name one.

    When Bush came into office in 2001, the economy was in a recession. In the third quarter of 2000, the GNP had declined by .5%.

    The stock market had plunged almost 50% (46 to be exact) from the peak at the beginning of 2000. The dot com bubble had burst slicing nearly $8 trillion from American's net worth.

    On the heels of this economic decline came 9/11 which cost the US over $100 billion in GDP.

    Bush and the Republicans, over the objection of all Democrats, enacted across the board tax cuts that kept the economy afloat. Even Paul Krugman has acknowledged that the tax cuts were a positive answer to the problems that we faced (although admittedly he believes that the cuts should have been smaller and directed more to the middle class).

    Since 2003 when the cuts were in effect, the US GDP has soared more than $1.64 trillion over the past 5 years.

    We are no longer in a recession.

    More Americans than ever before have jobs. More Americans than ever before own their own homes. Disposable income is up. Wages are up. The stock market is at an all-time high.

    Now admittedly much of this success has to do with the hard work and energy of the American worker.

    But it's clear to anyone except radical ideologues that the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress helped create a robust environment in which those workers could ply their trade.

    Bush inherited a shaky, declining economy. We no longer have such concerns unless we allow the Democrats to once again mess things up with confiscatory tax increases and bloated unnecessary spending and regulations all designed to win more votes from their selfish constituencies.

    Put that in your leftwing moonbat pipe and smoke it.


    Oh boy, 2 more things, the stock market is (and has been) closing at all time highs, the real estate market is shattering records nation wide. The only people that aren't working are the ones on welfare and the ones that don't want to work/lazy. My local newspaper had to add an extra page to accomadate the "help wanted" section and I live in a "little teeny town" as SLOB likes to call them. The libby's refuse to believe any of the above is true. Cry, cry, cry some more is all they want to do.

    Oh boy, 2 more things, the stock market is (and has been) closing at all time highs, the real estate market is shattering records nation wide. The only people that aren't working are the ones on welfare and the ones that don't want to work/lazy. My local newspaper had to add an extra page to accomadate the "help wanted" section and I live in a "little teeny town" as SLOB likes to call them. The libby's refuse to believe any of the above is true. Cry, cry, cry some more is all they want to do.
    Posted by: royalking at May 6, 2007 2:55 AM

    The housing market is in crisis mode right now especially in the NE.Where do you get your misinformation . Oh..that's right. You've identiofied your sources before.( and the stock market is doing fine but the debt keeps rising which you fail to understand what that means )
    And your comment about the only ones not working are on welfare or lazy...just again proves that you are a walking/talking right wing talking points robot.
    You have no understanding of any issue. Just mouth what you hear at your right wing sites.
    Instead of embarassing yourself each and every day...just post the daily Drudge Report.
    It would be much easier.because...That's all you know !

    Bush inherited a shaky, declining economy. We no longer have such concerns unless we allow the Democrats to once again mess things up with confiscatory tax increases and bloated unnecessary spending and regulations all designed to win more votes from their selfish constituencies.

    Put that in your leftwing moonbat pipe and smoke it.


    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 12:23 AM

    Bush inherited a surplus and turned it into a deficit even BEFORE 9/11. But most people know that..which is why the country is leaning left.
    See Nov elections and Bush's approval ratings.

    Your lies are just jokes these days.Only morons like hannity, Limpballs and usual cast of other liars are being laughed at !

    Notice the RWer's won't mention the war, the poor, the environment, civil rights, our assault on the Constitution, Bush's hiring of incompetents,( like himself ) torture, our decling standing in the world, the massive debt, Bush failing our troops with not giving them what they need, with cutting medical benefits , with continuing the deaths of our troops w/o a plan ...on and on...

    It's a mystery to these empty headed RWer's just how fed up America is with this administration and Republicans in general.

    When you get your asses slammed in 08' , ( like in Nov) You'll still be in denial.

    Can't wait for their reaction to getting beat again in 08.'
    They'll crawl to Rush to hear what he has to say....
    They've lost on the issues, and they still don't know it?

    Evolution anyone ?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    The Elephant in the Room
    George W. Bush has the lowest presidential approval rating in a generation, and the leading Dems beat every major ’08 Republican. Coincidence?

    Not to these idiots at this site !

    Newsweek
    Updated: 10:31 a.m. ET May 5, 2007

    May 5, 2007 - It’s hard to say which is worse news for Republicans: that George W. Bush now has the worst approval rating of an American president in a generation, or that he seems to be dragging every ’08 Republican presidential candidate down with him. But According to the new NEWSWEEK Poll, the public’s approval of Bush has sunk to 28 percent, an all-time low for this president in our poll, and a point lower than Gallup recorded for his father at Bush Sr.’s nadir. The last president to be this unpopular was Jimmy Carter who also scored a 28 percent approval in 1979. This remarkably low rating seems to be casting a dark shadow over the GOP’s chances for victory in ’08. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds each of the leading Democratic contenders BEATING the Republican frontrunners in head-to-head matchups.

    Perhaps that explains why Republican candidates, participating in their first major debate this week, mentioned Bush’s name only once, but Ronald Reagan’s 19 times. (The debate was held at Reagan’s presidential library.)

    When the NEWSWEEK Poll asked more than 1,000 adults on Wednesday and Thursday night (before and during the GOP debate) which president showed the greatest political courage—meaning being brave enough to make the right decisions for the country, even if it jeopardized his popularity —more respondents volunteered Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton (18 percent each) than any other president. Fourteen percent of adults named John F. Kennedy and 10 percent said Abraham Lincoln. Only four percent mentioned George W. Bush. (Then again, only five percent volunteered Franklin Roosevelt and only three percent said George Washington.)

    A majority of Americans believe Bush is not politically courageous: 55 percent vs. 40 percent. And nearly two out of three Americans (62 percent) believe his recent actions in Iraq show he is “stubborn and unwilling to admit his mistakes,” compared to 30 percent who say Bush’s actions demonstrate that he is “willing to take political risks to do what’s right.”

    It will take something similar before Olbermann suffers the same fate. In fact, it will take something even more egregious because the media is even more committed than before to reinforcing opinions against conservatism, therefore, it will be with great reluctance that a media groundswell will build to oust Olbermann. That is why you saw very little reporting on one of the most unprofessional displays of behavior by a "news" anchor I can ever remember (the infamous "Seig Heil" salute by Olbermann

    )Posted by: hank at May 5, 2007 6:54 PM

    My guess is rather than anything political that gets Keith bounced from his anaylist role, it will either by his mysoginist attitutes towards women that has the best chance of getting him into hot water (especially when the MSNBC operations move across the Hudson and into 30 Rock), or some faux pas this fall on NBC's Sunday night NFL pre-game show, in which he mixes sports and politics in front of a audience far bigger than "Countdown" that turned on the channel to see the Broncos, Bears, Cowboys, or whatever teams are playing that night..

    The things that have landed him on the gossip pages of the New York Daily News and New York Post in recent years have been his problems either with girlfriends, female co-workers or former co-workers (remember when Lloyd Grove's assistant was named WPIW when virtually no one on the planet knew who she was?). Stuff like that could end up creating a future internal politics problem that won't be visible to outsiders until NBC is forced to take action.

    As for the NFL show, Keith tries hard to keep his opinions off his appearances on Dan Patrick Show, but they bubble up fron time to time anyway. It's OK there, because Patrick basically treats Keith's politics as comedy relief on the show, and the listerners know the duo's backgrounds and what they're getting. Similar injections of politics on a more narrowly focused NFL pregram show is a recipe for disaster, since viewers are going there on Sunday evenings to escape what the networks obsessed on during the talk shows earlier in the morning.

    See Nov elections and Bush's approval ratings.

    Your lies are just jokes these days.Only morons like hannity, Limpballs and usual cast of other liars are being laughed at !


    Posted by: at May 6, 2007 10:09 AM
    Note to anonyloon, the dems that won in nov were not leftists, they were moderates. Also, all of the left wing items up for vote failed. Many anti-immigration and anti- abortion policies passed (right wing). Keep dreaming.

    You have no understanding of any issue. Just mouth what you hear at your right wing sites.
    Instead of embarassing yourself each and every day...just post the daily Drudge Report.
    It would be much easier.because...That's all you know !

    Posted by: at May 6, 2007 10:06 AM
    anonyloon is debunked and he throws in a "drudge." You forgot a "Fox." Hey loon, the real estate market it booming every where except in your town, what does that tell you? What is the unemployment nationwide right now? 1 or 2% or something like that? lol

    Ask the real estate agents if the market is "booming?"
    Ask the builders if it is "booming" ?
    In my little town...which is the largest metropolitan area in the country...the housing market is hurting...and I read that it's even worse on the west coast.
    Your lies will not go unchallenged.
    You see dumbass, most of us educated people learn from a variety of sources...unlike yourself ,who limits yourself to only right leaning lie merchants.You think that everything to the left of Drudge and Fox is left wing...Just shows your bias and lack of educaton.

    Someone asked where does BovineQueen get his misinformation and cliches?

    Just click on his name, "royalking"
    It ain't pretty, you've been warned.

    I know...I accidently hit it once and did a Danny Thomas spittake when I saw Savage !

    It's funny how Rudy is still the top contender in the GOP race.
    Let me ask the rw'ers here a question.
    He's been photographed in drag on at least 4 different ocassions.
    Do you think 4 times is too many , just right, or not enough?
    Please respond.

    What is the unemployment nationwide right now? 1 or 2% or something like that? lol
    Posted by: royalking at May 6, 2007 12:04 PM

    It's more than double that...which of course makes you WRONG again..as is your daily pattern !

    Unemployment Rate Edges Up To 4.5% In April
    AP - 5/4/2007 8:41 AM - Updated 5/4/2007 8:41 AM

    WASHINGTON (AP) _ The nation's unemployment rate edged up to 4.5 percent in April as cautious employers added the fewest new jobs in more than two years, signaling that the labor market is starting to feel some of the strain of the sluggish economy.

    Facts are like Krytonite to Jeff.

    Unemployment is even higher than that because the Bushies wisely quit counting the longer term unemployed.
    You know, the software engineers with a decade or two of experience who rightly demand higher salaries than have to be paid to the imports bought by the Intel's of the world.
    Lovely to hear the braying of the radical right when their heroes are analyzed with the facts.
    Folks, Olberman does not distort the fact. Oops, he DOES distort the skewed world presented on Fox. The media are not all here to bring you children the Bushy word - some are actually calling a spade a spade, not a heart.
    Some of are sick of I [heart] torture, holding prisoners incommunado, stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

    Just like Bush stopped counting CAR BOMBS in their death's totals in Iraq so they can hand down "Iraq War IMproving" to Fox and other lie merchants and they run with it...and then the small brained Olbyhaters at this site come on here and post the garbage !

    The AP is probably also biased and not fair....according to jeff. Ha !

    Everything but Fox, Savage, and similar ilk are left leaning in that dim little world according to Jeff.

    War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of each.
    What would the reaction be if the world awoke each morning to be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38 arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California — yesterday, today, tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines would scream about “Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this month!”

    How about a monthly media dose of “600 women raped in February alone!” Or try, “Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end in sight!” Those do not even make up all of the state’s yearly 200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.

    Iraq’s judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq with a penal system like California’s with 170,000 criminals — an inmate population larger than those of Germany, France, the Netherlands, and Singapore combined.

    Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7 billion a year — or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army personnel per year in Iraq. What would be the image of our Golden State if we were reminded each morning, “Another $20 million spent today on housing our criminals”?

    Some of California’s most recent prison scandals would be easy to sensationalize: “Guards watch as inmates are raped!” Or “Correction officer accused of having sex with underaged detainee!” And apropos of Saddam’s sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple murderer, Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 — 26 years after he was originally sentenced.

    Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq’s borders with Iran, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey. But California has only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3 million foreigners who snuck in illegally now live in our state. Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the potential tabloid headlines: “Illegal aliens in state comprise population larger than San Francisco!” or “Drugs, criminals, and smugglers given free pass into California!”

    Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes — nearly twice the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat operations in Iraq. In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads, and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow’s headline might scream out at us: “300 Californians to perish this month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!”

    In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States. Before complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators, think back to the run on generators in California when they were contemplated as a future part of every household’s line of defense.

    We’re told that Iraq’s finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so were California’s. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a $38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong morning newscast teasers: “Another $100 million borrowed today — $3 billion more in red ink to pile up by month’s end!”

    So is California comparable to Iraq? Hardly. Yet it could easily be sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bank rupt, crime-ridden den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with wide-open borders.

    I myself recently returned home to California, without incident, from a visit to Iraq’s notorious Sunni Triangle. While I was gone, a drug-addicted criminal with a long list of convictions broke into our kitchen at 4 a.m., was surprised by my wife and daughter, and fled with our credit cards, cash, keys, and cell phones.



    loons, there is a little 10 acre piece of land for sale across the road from me for half a mil with no house, I wouldn't call that "hurting."

    Bj Clinton unemployment rate average-7.5. Bush average- 4.0. Bj Clinton average real estate-lowest ever. Bush, highest ever. Any questions?

    Ooooooh, Boooovine!

    >there is a little 10 acre piece of land for sale across the road from me for half a mil with no house, I wouldn't call that "hurting."
    Posted by: royalking at May 6, 2007 2:13 PM

    There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    FYI, Did you know that there are towns, where the township, the local authorities, are giving away land, as long as you stay and pay taxes to the town for a certain number of years?

    Also, I know of a nice 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 1 parking space, cozy apt. going for only 3/4 mill. A BARGAIN. PRICED FOR A QUICK SELL. Reduced from 1 mill.

    Location. Location. Location.

    Hope I've learnt ya sumthin' Bovine!

    Best evidence of the soundness of our economy? (I said sound; not great, not lousy, but "sound").

    Olbermann doesn't do any stories on it.

    If it was in any way in poor shape believe me KO would be "reporting" (using that term very loosely) on it.

    Or, more accurately, the leftwing blogs would be pushing stories for him to do on it. And he would dutifully and uncritically repeat their nonsense.

    Jeff: "any questions"

    Nope...hard to imagine why anyone would ever ask you a serious question?

    "There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better"

    Yeah, public schools in our cities are just terrific. Everyone wants to send their kids to them. That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    City public schools are just terrific.

    That's probably where you learned that the Taliban were in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    Ooooooh, Bouoouooobine!

    Meet Ohboy!

    Another misguided RW moron that confused urban elementary and high schools with *college*

    Say, Ohboy, how many high schools turn out professionals straight out? And how many of those, return to *work the land*?

    As for the Taliban, I've posted my answer, just ask Bovine. He'll tell you it is that filthy demonrat Carter's fault.
    Right, Bovine?!

    "Another misguided RW moron that confused urban elementary and high schools with *college*"

    You didn't say "college".

    Second, my guess - although I don't know for a certainty - is that most colleges or universities are located OUTSIDE of major cities.

    Certainly nearly all of the top echelon or elite ones are: Harvard (Cambridge), Yale (New Haven), Cal/Berkeley (Berkeley), MIT (Cambridge), et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

    Try again. This time, put some effort into it because, as they say on the basketball courts, you've got no game.

    None.

    OhBoy, here it is:

    >That's probably where you learned that the Taliban were in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/05/question_for_re.php

    Question for REGULAR Olbermann Watch readers

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at May 6, 2007 2:34 AM

    Read on.

    "I've posted my answer, just ask Bovine. He'll tell you it is that filthy demonrat Carter's fault."

    No one said it was Carter's fault. The Taliban arose in the early 1990s from the radical madrasses located in Southern Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The fault of the Taliban was due, if I may use a bit of a tautology, to the Taliban.

    Second, you admitted you only changed "one word".

    That wasn't a minor change. There is and was a vast difference between the mujahideen (who Reagan was referring to) and the Taliban.

    But coming from someone who doesn't distinguish between horse and horse manure, I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference.

    One word, indeed.

    The number of real estate sales has not gone down in my area and has remained steady over the last 2 quarters. The median price has also held steady for the past two quarters. A home near mine had 3 contracts on it the first day it was listed recently, and in fact sold for $5K OVER the list price. So I'd say that my area of the country is not hurting. From what I've read of sales figures in my home state overall, we're doing just fine. So what the real estate market is like is very much dependent upon where you live. In some resort area, and in parts of California, the tri-state area around NY,etc., the number of sales and the median prices have gone down, in some cases dramatically so. But those areas had become grossly overvalued over the last few years. Housing booms are called that for a reason: they seldom last.

    Now back to Olbermann. I hardly think that Phil Griffin has an unbiased opinion. By Olbermann's own admission he and Griffin have known each other since Olbermann's days at CNN in the late 70's/early 80's.

    " hardly think that Phil Griffin has an unbiased opinion"

    Griffin was the executive producer of Hardball with Matthews during the period where Matthews and David Shuster were disseminating bogus stories and information regarding Joe Wilson and the Plame matter.

    Posting a list of the mis- and disinformation from Hardball/Matthews/Shuster on this story would shut the entire internet down.

    Bias? Or incompetence? Probably a mix of both.

    Beyond that, Griffin is a longtime Olbermann pal. He's not about to do/say anything the least bit critical of his buddy. It's great to back your "talent" but sometimes you need to realize your talent is talentless and that they'd be better utilizied elsewhere. Olbermann was so far out of his depth in those debates it was like watching a man drowning and no one throwing him a lifeline. I guarantee-damn-tee you that if Olbermann were GOP friendly instead of a liberal lover that the press would have been ripping him to shreads for his piss-poor performance in the debate coverage. But since he's their media darling, they just closed their eyes to his incompetence.

    Keith tells the truth.

    "it is that filthy demonrat Carter's fault."
    Right, Bovine?!

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at May 6, 2007 3:05 PM

    For once, WBAAP, you are right. Finally.

    Nope...hard to imagine why anyone would ever ask you a serious question?

    Posted by: Mike at May 6, 2007 2:52 PM

    Another post just chock full of "substance" from preacher mikey.

    NBC News is AlJazeera @ 30 Rock

    Ulbermahn is a hack!

    Mr. Cox,

    Did you see how Brian Stelter tried to rebut Drudge in his first post about debate ratings, then desperately posted about a "win" in "the demo" even though MSNBC was humiliated in the debate ratings? Many of us miss the "TVN: Journalism At Its Finest" series, hope you bring it back soon. Lord knows there's an opportunity almost every day.

    Response to OhBoy:

    >>Second, you admitted you only changed "one word".

    That wasn't a minor change. There is and was a vast difference between the mujahideen (who Reagan was referring to) and the Taliban.

    Nope. I didn't change a thing.
    Here's the full quote, I hope the link makes it this time:

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/278.html

    >Proclamation 5034—Afghanistan Day, 1983
    By the President of the United States of America, 21 March 1983

    The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban] persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979.

    Not my page, not my brackets [ ]. However, I went on to quote the supposed authoritative Encarta piece.

    As I've posted in the other thread,
    slice it and dice it anyway you want Bush Supporters,
    Raygun did praise and support the Mujahideen for 8, EIGHT YEARS, and those Mujahideen included Osama, and factions of those Mujahideen later became the Taliban.

    Regarding your contentions on the other post

    "you didn't say college"

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?

    My post:
    "There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities."

    Your idiocy:
    >Yeah, public schools in our cities are just terrific. Everyone wants to send their kids to them. That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.
    >You didn't say "college".
    Second, my guess - although I don't know for a certainty - is that most colleges or universities are located OUTSIDE of major cities.

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?

    Capisce?


    Hmmm... that didn't go well... completely wrong formatting and spacing... not even the full post.


    ????

    Lesssssseee, smaller chunks:

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/278.html

    "Proclamation 5034—Afghanistan Day, 1983
    By the President of the United States of America, 21 March 1983

    The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban] persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979. "

    O.K. That went through.

    Part of my original post, including the link.
    Including the brackets, from the original page.

    O.K.

    http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/32183d.htm

    "Proclamations, March 21, 1983
    Proclamation 5034 -- Afghanistan Day, 1983

    March 21, 1983

    By the President of the United States

    of America

    A Proclamation

    The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979."

    Let's try.

    "Hmmm... that didn't go well... completely wrong formatting and spacing... not even the full post."

    Great, you shot yourself in the foot.

    If I were you, I'd stop right now before you really hurt yourself.

    Because, to be blunt, you're either so dishonest or so clueless that responding to you is a waste of time.

    Just a suggestion, friend.

    I'm amazed you can type at all with that straight jacket on combined with those meds you must be on...........

    Hey OhBoy!

    As I've stated in another threads, you Bush Supporters can slice it and dice it anyway you want.

    The facts are: Raygun did praise and supplied the mujahideen (Islamic guerrillas) for 8 -eight- years, including among them Freedomfighting mujahideen Osama Bin Laden. Out of those Freedomfighting mujahideen (Islamic guerrillas) arose the Taliban.

    Someone else, Cecelia, not you, did try the "let's blame Carter game," and Bovine also run with it. Which again, it is no excuse for Raygun's 8 years of support for the mujahideen (Islamic guerrillas) INCLUDING OBL.


    On to issue # 2

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    OhBoy BU$HWIPE,
    where did I say ANYTHING about elementary schools and / or high schools?

    Only a BU$HWIPE would contend that

    >>That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    has anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?

    Capisce?

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    Where did I say elementary and / or high schools?

    Only a moron would answer: You didn't say college!

    From OhBoy's stupidity:
    >That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    Then OhBoy sez:

    >>That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities

    Then OhBoy answers with a non-sequitur:

    >That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    The "preview" button is there for a reason.

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities

    Then OhBoy answers with a non-sequitur:

    >That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to parochial or private schools.

    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban schools.

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    (It might be faulty hardware on my side. Let's try it)

    Hmmm...

    System check. Cold boot.

    The last change went through:

    (It might be faulty hardware on my side. Let's try it)
    Posted by: Average American Patriot at May 7, 2007 1:55 AM

    But not the other changes above.

    Very interesting.... Hmmm...

    Anyhew... To Do: Full system check, check cables, test at different site, etc.

    (I won't be surprised if this post goes through)

    Later Bovine!

    Let us hope that the neocons do indeed boycott MSNBC. The Republican candidates can slither over to Fox studios and debate there. Funny thing is that Fox, once they've decided who their candidate is, will do their best to destroy any other Republican candidates...

    You gotta love the (lack) of lunatic logic of the Olbermann fan base. Let me get this straight. You want MSNBC to bleed even more viewers? Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. In case it's escaped your attention, those debates drove viewers to MSNBC. But hey, if you insist, I'm sure Fox will be glad to pick up the remaining GOP debates that MSNBC had planned and gain even more viewers while MSNBC's ratings continue to decline. Who are you working for exactly there Blindrat? Fox? I thought the idea was to get more viewers, not less! I'm sure Keith appreciates all your advice to the network executives and presidential candidates that would end up sending viewers to OTHER NETWORKS. With fans like you..........

    Anon,

    Never said that I was a fan. Nice strawman, son...

    I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. Oh well, I will do what a steer does, keep trying.

    Funny thing is that Fox, once they've decided who their candidate is, will do their best to destroy any other Republican candidates...
    Posted by: blindrat at May 7, 2007 10:18 AM

    Like the same subtle way Olbermann & MS-NBC are starting to "destroy" other Dems on Hilliary's behalf.

    Thanks for the funny link Grammie!

    Hey! They had Michael Smerconish and Stephanie Miller on recently to replace Imus --- but I do not like their third choice, Larry Elder. He already is on the tube. C'mon !

    I love when M. Smerconish had his head handed to him on Bill Maher's show.
    He tried defending the Iraqi policy and an imbedded Baghdad correspondent put him in his place.
    What was he going to say, "I know better " ?

    Facts are like Kryptonite to the right wing !

    I do give him credit for keeping his mouth shut when corrected on his erroneous statements.
    Silence is golden !

    Too bad little Jeffrey never learned that !

    Bill Maher! He couldn't hand a baby's head to nobody! It's no surprise a certain olbyloon is as delerious as they are when they get their "news" from Maher(fired), Stewart (comedy channel) and Ulbermahn!(proven liar)

    Billy Maher, lol!

    Idiotwind can't read...read again who crushed Smerconish.

    Jeeeezzzzzzzz

    Plus, Bill is fired?
    Check 11:00 each fri night on HBO.

    Maher and Stewart are so beyond the thinking skils of little Jeffrey it isn't funny.

    Check THEIR ratings little man since ratings mean so much to you !

    "I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. "

    At last, the little lightbulb in your head lit up!

    Congrats.

    You are indeed over your head here.

    Better turn that bulb off; not a lot of wattage there.

    Check THEIR ratings little man since ratings mean so much to you !

    Posted by: at May 7, 2007 8:25 PM
    Fox News holds 14 of the top 15 spots. That means something.

    I think truth means more than ratings, but not to Jeff.

    I'd tell you to actually watch Bill Maher's show b/c he does have diversity but you probably can't afford HBO or afraid what you hear will totally confuse you.

    On the first episode of his "Politically Incorrect" show since the Sept. 11 attacks, he infamously compared the bravery of American politicians with that of al-Qaida terrorists. "We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly," Maher said on the Sept. 17 episode. "Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."

    It was classic Maher, as infuriatingly un-p.c. as ever. But the times, at least momentarily, had changed. And few wanted to hear -- or defend -- Maher's comments. Enemies of Maher, on both the left and right, seized the opportunity and called him unpatriotic. A protest ensued. Even the Bush White House (a frequent Maher target) stoked the outrage, with spokesman Ari Fleischer calling Maher's remarks "a terrible thing to say" and the subsequent contretemps a reminder "to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do. This is not a time for remarks like that; there never is."

    Maher apologized for his statements to "anyone who took it wrong," but the damage was done. Major advertisers pulled their commercials from the ABC show; 17 ABC affiliates dropped the program from the air. It was canceled May 14. FIRED!


    Almost everyone in this country has been fired one time or another.
    Bill Maher's show was canceled b/c of a trend against free speech. He wears that badge of honor.
    Politicaly INcorrect was one of the most innovated shows ever on the tube.
    It was fascinating. If you didn't watch it, it's understandable.
    You have the same views today than you had in 2000 I bet.
    Reality and facts never enter into your thinking skills.

    FYI Today, in 2007,Bill Maher is currently one of the most sought after people for anyone to get on their show...on all stations.Plus he does his own remarkablely entertaining show too.
    And all Jeff does is make a fool of himself each and every day at this little site.

    Condoning what that puke said says a lot about you!

    Bill Maher is a highly respected giant of a man ( even though he's small in stature)

    Jeff's a stone cold idiot !

    Jeff's been put in his place on every single page at this site: A New record !

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    >There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying

    education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of

    those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities

    Then OhBoy answers with a non-sequitur:

    >That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children to

    parochial or private schools.
    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban

    schools.

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects,

    engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land

    or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    BTW, OhBoy, This post ain't mine.

    >I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. Oh well, I will do what a steer does, keep

    trying.
    Posted by: Average American Patriot at May 7, 2007 1:52 PM

    but, oh, well, you've made an ass out'a yourself already with this:

    "I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. "

    At last, the little lightbulb in your head lit up!

    Congrats.

    You are indeed over your head here.

    Better turn that bulb off; not a lot of wattage there.
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 7, 2007 8:45 PM

    Sorry for the hammering.

    It seems I've discovered an "undocumented feature" in the site.

    Hmmm.

    (Once again, the full post didn't go through)

    On the subject of Real Estate, raised by BovineQueen.

    OhBoy sez:

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    From my post:

    ---There is this little thing called "education"
    where the *country folks* send their children to the cities to receive a better, and higher paying

    education, like lawyers, doctors, architects, engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of

    those professionals return to work the land or even near the town, instead going to the cities---

    Then OhBoy answers with a non-sequitur:

    --That's why nearly all liberal politicians who live in Washington, DC and other cities send their children

    to parochial or private schools.
    Check the test scores of children who graduate from city public school versus those from suburban

    schools.--

    What does that have anything to do with *professionals,* you BU$HWIPE, like lawyers, doctors, architects,

    engineers, accountants, I.T. professionals, and so on. Few of those professionals return to work the land

    or even near the town, instead going to the cities.

    "You didn't say college"
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 6, 2007 3:11 PM

    Well, moron, where did I say elementary and / or high schools?


    Location, Location, Location!

    Capisce?

    BTW, OhBoy, This post ain't mine.

    ----I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. Oh well, I will do what a steer does,

    keep trying.
    Posted by: Average American Patriot at May 7, 2007 1:52 PM ----

    but, oh, well, you've made an ass out'a yourself already with this:

    "I have come to the conclusion that I am in over my head here. "

    At last, the little lightbulb in your head lit up!

    Congrats.

    You are indeed over your head here.

    Better turn that bulb off; not a lot of wattage there.
    Posted by: Ohboy at May 7, 2007 8:45 PM

    Well, the full post finally made it through.

    Hmmm... looks like the posting box doesn't like
    text within "greater than" or "smaller than" brackets, i.e. or some combination of them. Also the formatting of some links.

    Once, again. I apologize to everyone for the hammering.

    Jeff's been put in his place on every single page at this site: A New record !

    Posted by: at May 7, 2007 9:34 PM
    You've proven that you're an olbyloon that is deaf, dumb and blind!

    Jeff: "You've proven that you're an Olbyloon that is deaf, dumb, and blind!"

    Jeff's comebacks are really something to behold! ....the biting sarcasm! ...the wit! ...his command of the issues! ...the cleverness!

    Anon, not only has Jeff put you in your place as 'Olbyloon', he has pegged you as a "deaf, dumb, and blind" Olbyloon at that...the most worstest kind of all!

    LOL

    Bill O' Reilly could not carry Keith Olbermanns jock strap