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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    June 12, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - June 12th, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)"

    You Had Me At Merlot

    Guest Host: Amy Robach

    Still sitting in for Keith Olbermann. David Gregory, Wolffe Man, Chris Cilizza and more. But no Fuhrer.

    While Keith soaks,
    he's in no position to boast
    Friday was a complete slaughter,
    Will Olby continue to falter?

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name inched its way to #2,355 on amazon.com (still necessitating an 80% off sale - ha! HA! You can have it for $4.59 - ha!), but "Culture Warrior" is #201. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome ranked - oh wait it didn't; O'Reilly's book is #91 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Monday's Hour of Spin we will leave alone as Bathtub Boy needed a good soaking after last week's shellacing in the ratings (example: Fourth Place).


    Posted by Edward Schatz | Permalink | Comments (101) | | View blog reactions

    101 Comments

    Another Olby-free evening. I could get used to this.

    The Yankees are at Home all week, aren't they? It's bucket hat night at Yankee Stadium. That will go well with Olby's bucket head. Perhaps he has taken the entire week off and has done a service to humanity by staying off the air.

    I love President Bush!

    "Anothr Olby-free evening. I could get used to this."

    So exactly what is the problem? Are you tied to MSNBC? Whats to keep you from never watching him again and stop hassling those of us who DO want to watch his show?

    Sheeess!

    Did Keith Olbermann (D) finally have that sex change operation???????????

    Since Olby was off tonight, I watched on through to Scarborough Country just to see if JS would pick up the Fox-bashing slack. Lo and behold, fill-in host Dan Abrams leads off the show with a snide O'Reilly-bashing segment complete with guests like the "media analyst", go-to Bill-O hater Steve Adubato. Aparently they believe that Bill insulted the troops and needs to apologize. I won't go off on a tangent here, but suffice it to say that he was taken out of context (2 hrs. of radio, vs. 2 sentences of dialogue) and the meaning of his message distorted (of course).

    My point is that I was wondering if anyone else here pays attention to SC after Countdown, because biased anti-Fox coverage like this doesn't happen infrequently, even with "conservative" Joe Scarborough present.

    > stop hassling those of us who DO want to watch his show?

    A classic. He comes onto a site critical of Olbermann, lards up the comments with irrelevancies, and then complains that WE are harrassing HIM!

    If you go onto someone else's website and then complain that THEY are harrassing YOU, you just might be an OlbyLoon.

    Touche Johnny, but you NEVER, EVER touch on the very valid point that I was making about you people's very weird, and very negative obsession with a pundit, and his show...that you could just as easily ignor.

    If you turn around and accuse me of being obsessed as well....as you probably will....at least I can say I have a positive obsession, rather than the negative one you waste so much of your time and life with.

    I noticed they ran a loop of Pres Bush in a flight suit while discussing Clinton's gay bomb.


    Did Keith run a loop of a naked Dateline pedophile when bragging about his new contract?

    > very weird, and very negative obsession with a pundit, and his show

    Are you talking about Keith and his O'Reillymania?

    There are websites that spend all their time being critical against Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, etc etc. How many of THEM have you visited for the purpose of calling their "obsessions" with these people "weird"?

    One man's weird is another man's public service.

    A classic. He comes onto a site critical of Olbermann, lards up the comments with irrelevancies, and then complains that WE are harrassing HIM!

    If you go onto someone else's website and then complain that THEY are harrassing YOU, you just might be an OlbyLoon.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at June 12, 2007 10:37 PM

    Johnny, don't you think it's time that you or Bob gave the site a brief Mike-free-zone respite period ala AAP? :D

    John,
    Give the context to O'Reilly's quote that was left out. Bob Kohn was on the show and admitted O'Reilly should apologize.

    Not having seen the show I don't know what they showed and what they didn't. But I've seen Bob Kohn there before and I've never seen him ONCE where he actually knows the context that's not being told, where he has any knowledge at all about the controversy, or where he caught any of the editing tricks (mainly because they hit him with some just-breaking controversy).

    Not so speak against Mr Kohn, because he does some good stuff. But they use him because he probably hasn't seen the actual show, or heard the actual show. They show him whatever they lifted from think progress or media matters, and not knowing the truth, Kohn reluctantly agrees oh yeah, he should resign.

    This is a classic example of how Abrams used a sliced and diced quote to smear someone on Fox. Note that NOBODY who appeared in the segment knew how badlly the quote had been scrambled for the simple reason that Abrams never told them::

    http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C1049953760/E20070409220134/index.html

    Mike was a "centrist"
    Now he's turned full Olbyloon
    Dissing all Repub canidates
    He sings his same old tune

    He thinks this site is POTUS watch
    Much Bush bashing done here
    Scooter Libby the latest target
    Makes Mike go "Oh, Dear!"

    Mike's wife is getting lonely
    She's not been laid in many years
    "I'm too pissed off at Bush, Honey!"
    "No, I'm not going queer!"

    But still she wears her negligee
    Some think she still looks hot
    But Mike don't even notice
    'Cause he's got the brain rot

    Mike had better watch out
    She still wants a real life
    If he doesn't soon get it
    She could be Newt's fourth wife




    Colbert,
    J$ has a long enough clip to make the context clear. I'd say to go straight to billoreilly.com, but you'd need a "premium membership" to listen to the whole radio show. As for Bob Kohn, as great as Journalistic Fraud is, he was simply outnumbered (which he himself pointed out to Abrams). Plus, Abrams talked over him for much of the segment.

    You're right though. Kohn even said O'Reilly should apologize, which I thought was a mistake. He just missed the point totally. He passively accepted Abrams' misframing of the issue. Bill wasn't talking about explosions not mattering because solders' lives don't matter; he was simply saying that micro coverage of every bomb going off doesn't advance the story and give us any new insight as to what's going on over there. And he's right! Another bomb going off doesn't matter to me! But that doesn't mean you're insulting the troops and need to apologize.

    Is THAT what it was all about? Well, on this issue I'm not sure I agree with O'Reilly view on media coverage (I included the comments from Col Hunt in my clip since he disagreed with Bill and I thought made more sense). But as the clip I put up shows, O'Reilly was talking about what the media covers and ho much. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on this, but still, his discussion had NOTHING TO DO with dissing soldiers or not caring about their lives. Sounds like another smear job from Abrams and Think Progress.

    And seriously people, should a news channel simply be an echo chamber for Think Progress, Media Matters, and Daily Kos? The minute they put something out, Olby lifts it, or Abrams lifts it, and puts it up as gospel. These are PARTISAN SOURCES. They are not the Associated Press or Reuters. Sheesh!

    When he's got the general manager of MSNBC giving his name airtime, I'd think O'Reilly has become an MSNBC "obsession".

    "...websites that spend all their time..."

    The websites spend their time?

    And Cecelia calls J$ a genius!?

    Heeeeeeeelarious!

    It's just better not to call O'Reilly on anything, after all, remember all those Peabody Awards that Hard Copy won while he was there for his hard-hitting investigative journalism?

    "...Scarborough Country..."

    "...snide O'Reilly-bashing segment..."

    "...Bob Kohn was on the show and admitted O'Reilly should apologize..."

    "Abrams used a sliced and diced quote to smear someone on Fox...."


    This is OlbermannWatch Damnit!

    Not Scarborough Watch...

    Not O'Reilly Watch...

    Not Bob Kohn Watch...

    Not Dan Abrams Watch...

    (Oops, I forgot- you guys only break out that tired old card when you're losing an argument!)

    Posted by: not e e cummings at June 12, 2007 11:31 PM

    And not cumming anytime soon either...

    Just watch a wonderful YouTube video of 1992 Al Gore blasting Bush 41 for not attacking Iraq sooner because of Iraq’s connections to terrorists. He also blast Bush 41 for thinking UN sanctions would work. Stick your finger in the wind and you will know what Al Gore's position is.
    If you left wing morons really want to attack Bush 43. Attack him for something he is really screwing up. Emigration. We conservatives are still trying to get the knife out of our backs.

    Says Mike: "So exactly what is the problem? Are you tied to MSNBC? Whats to keep you from never watching him again and stop hassling those of us who DO want to watch his show?"

    END QUOTE

    Coming from an IDIOT who is on a board most whose opinion is contrary to and whines about FNC.

    SHees my ass. You are just plain stupid.

    Posted :"Just watch a wonderful YouTube video of 1992 Al Gore blasting Bush 41 for not attacking Iraq sooner because of Iraq’s connections to terrorists. He also blast Bush 41 for thinking UN sanctions would work. Stick your finger in the wind and you will know what Al Gore's position is. "

    END QUOTE

    ANd then they had Boob Graham on H&C making excuse for Gore. Liberals are piles of crap. At keast we know one thing, Gore/willie would never had done anything.

    911 is solely on their shoulders.

    Notice how much Gore has decomposed in 15`years. My God, look what hatred does to a persons appearance. Hell, teh man is plucking out his eye brows. GW beat him in more ways that one.

    Johnny or Bob,

    Was the removal of General Pace spiked? I may have missed it but didn't see any reference here at all on OW. A missed opportunity for "thrown under the bus"? I guess Pace doesn't fit into the theory of the removal of Generals.

    My guess is that most regulars here at OW enjoy politics, political commentary and all varieties of news and current events formats in general. It follows that we have our favorite tv news/analysis shows in particular.

    I think folks here will find interesting reading in the transcript of Tony Blair's speech about the changing media. Not only does Blair make you wish Bush were as coherent, he sounds some concerns that many must feel while watching the latest "FOX News [non-] Alert" or MSNBC conspiracy-theory-brainstorming-session.

    @@@

    mika brizinski, john ???, joe scarborough, steve atabato, dan abrahms, jack jacobs, andrea mitchell, cuntessa brewer, etc etc etc.... is no joy just because olby left the building. PUKE!

    This site depends on Keith surfacing (literally) in order to have content. Could you report on the infamous, deplorable MSNBC more generally? Theres plenty of content. I can help.

    Thanks, AAP. I consider Tucker pretty fair. I was wondering if KO covered it, considering that he pontificates so much about how any General who doesn't tow the line so to speak is canned. It doesn't fit the agenda, unless he is going to use it to show how Bush throws people "under the bus."

    Some time ago you referenced Teilhard de Chardin. I quote this as my opinion of The Phenomenon of Man:

    "It is written in n all but totally unintelligible style, and this is construed as prima-facie evidence of profundity. (At present this applies only to works of French authorship; in later Victorian and Edwardian times the same deference was thought due to Germans, with equally little reason.) It is because Teilhard has such wonderful deep thoughts that he's so difficult to follow --- really it's beyond my poor brain but doesn't that just show how profound and important it must be?"

    http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Medawar/phenomenon-of-man.html

    BUSHWIPES!
    That's funny.
    I'm funny.

    Cecelia,

    I read Blair's speech and found it quite interesting and well said, the usual for Blair. I got the speech from a Drudge article which had a link. The ironic part is that the article probably committed the wrongs that Blair was talking about; you have to actually read the speech to understand his point.

    I saw one of the comments that made it onto NewsHole from a woman in Kentucky mentioned Comcast moved MSNBC to a channel in the 100's that requires subscribers to order premium packages to access it. I also noticed Comcast did the same thing here, but Charter has not.

    Wonder if Comcast did this everywhere, and how it will affect Keith's already dismal ratings.

    Since Laura is begging for it:

    BUSHWIPES!

    THERE! GO FETCH, BOY!! GO SIC THEM!!


    (LOL)

    Another Olby-free evening. I could get used to this.

    Posted by: at June 12, 2007 9:40 PM

    Did you ever consider it's an Olby-free evening every single night on the other gazillion channels?

    No, I didn't think so...

    I love how MSNBC keeps parading out political commentators from Air America. Do they really think that lends credibility to their broadcast????

    I just lifted this off of MSNBC's web site. I do not recall any major national news outlet referring to a White House administration employee as "Turdbloosom" or any other derogatory name. Have you? Or is this what MSNBC does on a regular basis?

    ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROVE Justice Department officials were never supposed to let the world know that one of the U.S. attorneys was let go to make way for a protege of Karl Rove. Nuh uh. A major meltdown from one of Turdblossom's underlings, after Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty had spilled the beans on Capitol Hill - in other words, testified truthfully - is just one of the gems in the latest batch of emails released yesterday by the Justice department.

    Celelia whines to her hero: "Johnny, don't you think it's time that you or Bob gave the site a brief Mike-free-zone period ala AAP?"

    Smatter Cecelia?....Contrary opinion is encouraged by you "clear thinkers" just as long as it ain't TOO contrary?

    You'll be happy to know that any forced 'brief' banning of me would in fact become permanent by my own choosing....because that would become proof positive to me that this site is not so open to contrary opinion that you right wing followers so piously claims it is.

    YOU Cecelia, have already proven you can't handle opposing views.....or put another way...the truth! As low an opinion of you as I had already developed so far, I still never thought I would see YOU whining to the 'authorities' to try to get someone else banned.

    Celelia whines to her hero: "Johnny, don't you think it's time that you or Bob gave the site a brief Mike-free-zone period ala AAP?"

    Smatter Cecelia?....Contrary opinion is encouraged by you "clear thinkers" just as long as it ain't TOO contrary?

    You'll be happy to know that any forced 'brief' banning of me would in fact become permanent by my own choosing....because that would become proof positive to me that this site is not so open to contrary opinion that you right wing followers so piously claims it is.

    YOU Cecelia, have already proven you can't handle opposing views.....or put another way...the truth! As low an opinion of you as I had already developed so far, I still never thought I would see YOU whining to the 'authorities' to try to get someone else banned.

    Posted by: Mike at June 13, 2007 3:33 PM


    You know I had been joking arorund, but you've now made a Mike-free-zone sound irresistable! We can only keep our fingers crossed...

    Of course Johnny is my hero! He's the hero of most of the women on this board. Read it and weep, baby... Or in your case, read it and whine.

    "Of course Johnny is my hero!"

    I love it how right wingers set their bar so low....kind of helps explain their dogmatic mind boggling defense of dangerously incompetent public officials.

    I got it now! Mike is really Jack Nicholson a la Col. Nathan Jessep.....

    "....you can't handle the truth!"


    ###
    Celebrity siting at OW! I am so excited!

    The problem is that that dramatic and demogogic defense didn't work in the film and it doesn't work here, Mike.

    Try something new.....while I do something old....

    And this is my post today, the 1,505th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    Cecelia,

    I read Blair's speech and found it quite interesting and well said, the usual for Blair. I got the speech from a Drudge article which had a link. The ironic part is that the article probably committed the wrongs that Blair was talking about; you have to actually read the speech to understand his point.

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 12:00 PM


    Sharon, it seems like news has to be "sold" more than it used to be.

    Maybe we're in the new yellow journalism era.

    "Of course Johnny is my hero!"

    I love it how right wingers set their bar so low....kind of helps explain their dogmatic mind boggling defense of dangerously incompetent public officials.

    Posted by: Mike at June 13, 2007 4:21 PM


    For a guy who'd have to do a chin-up to raise himself up to any bar other than self-congratulation, you're sure full of criticism.

    got it now! Mike is really Jack Nicholson a la Col. Nathan Jessep.....

    "....you can't handle the truth!"


    Posted by: cee at June 13, 2007 4:25 PM


    Well, at least the "I'm not a fan of Olbermann" is one false act he's dropped.


    Cecelia still doesn't get it.

    I'm not really a fan of Olbermann.
    My position has never changed, just the poorly tuned receiver's perception of the my position.

    Pay attention now Cecelia, and I won't have to explain this again: Olbermann has a message I am about 95% in agreement with, much of it passionately....I am a fan of the MESSAGE", not the messager.

    Never have been into hero worshipping, never will be.

    Cecelia still doesn't get it.

    I'm not really a fan of Olbermann.
    My position has never changed, just the poorly tuned receiver's perception of the my position.

    Pay attention now Cecelia, and I won't have to explain this again: Olbermann has a message I am about 95% in agreement with, much of it passionately....I am a fan of the MESSAGE", not the messager.

    Never have been into hero worshipping, never will be.

    Posted by: Mike at June 13, 2007 5:09 PM


    No doubt. Look in the mirror. You'll find who you most admire right there.

    ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROVE Justice Department officials were never supposed to let the world know that one of the U.S. attorneys was let go to make way for a protege of Karl Rove. Nuh uh. A major meltdown from one of Turdblossom's underlings, after Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty had spilled the beans on Capitol Hill - in other words, testified truthfully - is just one of the gems in the latest batch of emails released yesterday by the Justice department.


    Posted by: at June 13, 2007 3:03 PM

    Chickenblogger, please post the link for this.

    So you are not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but you "passionately" watch his show every night and you are "95%" in agreement with everything he says. Interesting.

    So you are not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but you "passionately" watch his show every night and you are "95%" in agreement with everything he says. Interesting.

    Posted by: James at June 13, 2007 5:26 PM


    James, a 5% difference between that huge star/humanitarian and.... Keith Olbermann.... is not something Mike can overlook...

    Cecelia,

    The background of the story chicken referenced can be found here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202266.html

    I don't find the story incredibly shocking.

    Thanks Sharon. I had read the story about Rove. I wanted to see if MSNBC had really posted a story using Rove's blue blog nickname.

    A link for you Cecelia (turdblossom)-

    http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/12420/karl-rove-turdblossom-headline-on-msnbc-countdown-w-keith-olbermann-this-cant-have-been-meant-can-it/

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 6:20 PM


    Thanks again, Sharon!

    I'm not surprised that the term would be used on Countdown. I was wondering if it had been used in an MSNBC website news or opinion piece as the chickenblogger's post seemed to imply.

    From the Moderate Voice:

    (thanks Sharon, great site)

    Dennis Miller is an idiot

    By Michael J.W. Stickings

    Not a dangerous idiot -- he's too irrelevant and pointless to be dangerous -- just a plain old idiot.

    I saw him do a show in Boston, oh, 15 years ago or something -- was it that long ago that I was in college? -- and he was pretty funny. That was back during his Perot days. You know, when he was an independent-minded comedian-commentator, the fuck-all SNL anchor. But 9/11 and whatever other forces drive his mania turned him into a right-wing shill, and he's been unfunny ever since (failed MNF experiment included). Gone is the aggressive, unabashed, in-your-face libertarianism. Gone is the independence. It's now ranting and raving of a decidedly partisan nature -- and the ranters and ravers on the right love him for it.

    Consider his verbal assault -- yes, an assault, for it was neither delightful comedy nor insightful commentary -- on Harry Reid, the senatorial leader of the despised Democrats. You can watch it here -- "Random Thoughts" on Fox News, as if that should come as any surprise -- and Steve Benen discusses it here. It's such a repugnant ad hominem attack, one that focuses not on ideas, let alone in a serious (or funny) way, but on the man himself: on his appearance, on his voice, his relevance (how does Reid not "matter"?).

    Steve "found over 400 conservative blogs praising the attack, characterizing it as the most devastating take-down in political monologue history". Once again: as if that should come as any surprise. The right loves this sort of thing. When all else fails -- and hasn't it all failed? -- there is nothing left for them but to strike out at their opponents in just this sort of way, and worse. Miller gets his unfunny segment on an unfunny show -- a segment, thankfully, and no longer an embarrassing show of his own -- but he is one among many, and many who are far more relevant and influential than he. The right doesn't just love this sort of thing, it can't get enough of it. Hence Rush et al. Hence anything and everything on Fox News.

    We have Stewart and Colbert, two brilliant satirists, they have Miller. Yeah, I'd say we win that one.

    Of course Johnny is my hero! He's the hero of most of the women on this board. Read it and weep, baby... Or in your case, read it and whine.

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 4:15 PM

    Cecelia speaking for the choir again...

    No, Cecelia most woman don't want to be kept on a leash like you do...

    Purrrrrrrr!

    Cecelia reminds me of that dumb little girl from the Prickly City comic strip...

    Confused, Immature, and Not Very Funny!

    The Liam Madden quotes that Cee doesn't find self-serving:

    Vermont Marine leads protest of war
    By Lisa Rathke, Associated Press Writer | October 26, 2006

    MONTPELIER, Vt. --If he'd known the United States was going to invade Iraq, U.S. Marine Corps Sgt. Liam Madden says he probably wouldn't have enlisted a month before. Still, he has no regrets.

    The 22-year-old Bellows Falls man, who spent seven months in Iraq, is leading a group of service members who are protesting the nation's occupation of Iraq and calling on Congress to withdraw all American troops.

    "I'm concerned about the reasons we went to war, about the profiteering," he said Thursday from Quantico, Va. "I'm concerned about the human life that's being lost, every aspect of the war."

    At least 500 service members from different branches of the military have joined the appeal, under the whistle-blower protection act, Madden said. Soldiers can add their name to the movement on the Web site http://www.appealforredress.org.

    At 18, just out of high school, Madden decided the Marines was a better option than college, allowing him time to grow up and challenge himself, he said. But he had doubts before the 2003 start of the war "when the current administration started inundating us with fear."

    About two years later, he was sent to Iraq for seven months.

    "Iraq, I never approved of it, but I put my opinions kind of on hold," he said. "My feelings started to intensify and coalesce when I came back to the U.S. and started informing myself more."

    He felt comfortable expressing his opposition to the war to his family and friends but was nervous about going public about it on a broader scale, he said.

    Now, he's gone public in a big way. He appeared on CNN on Wednesday, and was profiled in his hometown newspaper Thursday. He said he's received mostly supportive e-mails from fellow service members.

    "Very few people are outright mad at me for expressing my opinions of war," he said.

    That includes his parents, who both say they are proud of him. His mother initially supported the war but now says her views are changing.

    "It seems like it's gone on longer than I thought and probably not executed as well as it could it have been," said Oona Madden, 53.

    Will Madden, who lives in Keene, N.H., said he had always opposed the war.

    "I think he's very courageous," he said of his son. "I'm very proud of him. I wish my heart was more fluent in English to express how I feel."

    We conservatives are still trying to get the knife out of our backs.

    Posted by: The Factor at June 13, 2007 1:21 AM

    Ever since Saigon, right? or perhaps Versailles? Or was the shiv you complain about planted even earlier? Hitler blamed civilian Jewish pacifists and communists for Germany's loss of WWI; called it "Der Dolchstosslegende" (that's German for "knife in the back", Factor) a culturally resonant referrence to the Murder of Seigfried by Hagen in Tuetonic myth.

    The right-wing chickenhawks of history have recycled this imagery again and again as they try to marginalize the voices of reason in their societies. These goons are so redundant; and people have such short memories.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_05/011307.php


    "But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship......voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." Hermann Goering


    Of course Johnny is my hero! He's the hero of most of the women on this board. Read it and weep, baby... Or in your case, read it and whine.

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 4:15 PM

    Cecelia speaking for the choir again...

    No, Cecelia most woman don't want to be kept on a leash like you do...

    Purrrrrrrr!

    Posted by: at June 13, 2007 6:38 PM


    Make that a diamond encrusted leash courtesy of my ancient billionaire husband...

    Has Olby gotten engaged yet?

    We have Stewart and Colbert, two brilliant satirists, they have Miller. Yeah, I'd say we win that one.

    Posted by: at June 13, 2007 6:31 PM


    Remember Miller's short-lived TV show a year or two back? At the end of its pathetic life they were forced to actually PAY the studio audience to sit there and applaud at the right signals - before even that sad strategy proved unsustainable and they switched to a recorded laugh track, like the one Miller plays to today.

    You can't be funny if you're not honest, that's all there is to it.

    Anon,

    It was not a plug for the site (moderate vocie), just a reference to a comment above. I don't know why you think you have Colbert. I have seen him do his spiel with both sides of the aisle. It ain't pretty for either!

    Cecelia reminds me of that dumb little girl from the Prickly City comic strip...

    Confused, Immature, and Not Very Funny!

    Posted by: at June 13, 2007 6:40 PM


    Too bad, Snidely... :D

    Anon,

    It was not a plug for the site (moderate vocie), just a reference to a comment above. I don't know why you think you have Colbert. I have seen him do his spiel with both sides of the aisle. It ain't pretty for either!

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 6:52 PM


    I'll settle for Mark Steyn, Andrew Ferguson, and Harry Stein, though they won't be on Comedy Central anytime soon.

    I have seen him do his spiel with both sides of the aisle. It ain't pretty for either!

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 6:52 PM

    Yes, and we love him for it. That's the difference between progressives and drowning-rat conservatives: we welcome the opportunity to consider our beliefs and courses of action, while those gravitating to the right recoil in pain and fear from the realization that they could improve themselves and correct their mistakes. Michael Moore doees this as well - John COnyers didn't come off very well in Farenhe

    I have seen him do his spiel with both sides of the aisle. It ain't pretty for either!

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 6:52 PM

    Yes, and we love him for it. That's the difference between progressives and drowning-rat conservatives: we welcome the opportunity to consider our beliefs and courses of action, while those gravitating to the right recoil in pain and fear from the realization that they could improve themselves and correct their mistakes. Michael Moore doees this as well - John COnyers didn't come off very well in Farenhe

    "...Farenheit 9/11".

    Anyone taking bets on Faux News running 24/7 coverage on Cecelia's trip to the Bahamas?

    (It's a joke, Cecelia. BTY, nice flame war you got going on)

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at June 13, 2007 6:58 PM


    AAP, now you've got various chicken bloggers hoping it will covered by Gretta....

    Yes, and we love him for it. That's the difference between progressives and drowning-rat conservatives: we welcome the opportunity to consider our beliefs and courses of action, while those gravitating to the right recoil in pain and fear from the realization that they could improve themselves and correct their mistakes. Michael Moore doees this as well - John COnyers didn't come off very well in Farenhe

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 13, 2007 7:01 PM


    Well, from the experience of most OWers, the opportunity for you to reconsider your beliefs and actions usually results in an obscenity laden cuss-out.

    I'll settle for Mark Steyn, Andrew Ferguson, and Harry Stein, though they won't be on Comedy Central anytime soon.

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 6:59 PM

    I've never, ever heard of any of these people. They may not make it to Comedy Central, but perhaps they could apply to Fox News - they appear to be hiring untalented laugh-track hacks.

    But to be fair, Cecelia, Jon Stewart occasionally throws an undeserved bone to his old pal Dennis Miller. He had him as an interview guest a few months back, and he featured a short voice-appearance of Miller just the other night. I guess Miller needed to pay the rent or something, and Stewart is a stand-up guy who wouldn't leave a friend hanging.

    ..but he should really consider his ratings and the quality of his show in such instances.

    Well, from the experience of most OWers, the opportunity for you to reconsider your beliefs and actions usually results in an obscenity laden cuss-out.

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 7:09 PM

    Well, lies and demogoguery don't really represent the sort of opportunity I was talking about. As I stated above, one has to be honest in order to be funny - and the same goes for debate and introspection. The right wing fights the relevant truth harder than they fight the terrorists.

    Sir Loin of Beef,
    Why do Leftists like you support the Iranian regime?

    but he should really consider his ratings and the quality of his show in such instances.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 13, 2007 7:11 PM


    Is this the opening where I'm suppose to defend Dennis Miller since he's evidently my team's (rah... rah) designated comedian, or can I enjoy and admire Colbert and Stewart too on Comedy Central as well as your Cartoon Planet?

    Do you really watch Stewart and Colbert, Cecelia?

    Well, lies and demogoguery don't really represent the sort of opportunity I was talking about. As I stated above, one has to be honest in order to be funny - and the same goes for debate and introspection. The right wing fights the relevant truth harder than they fight the terrorists.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 13, 2007 7:15 PM


    Well, speaking of comedy, we'll take this word of wisdom in the same spirit we take the left's self proclaimations of open-mindedness and introspection--- with a wink...

    Do you really watch Stewart and Colbert, Cecelia?

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 13, 2007 7:20 PM


    No, Sir Loin, I only watch shows produced by Roger Ailes or Republican campaign sponsors. But then your open-minded, free-thinking, self-analytical --- self--- knew that.... :D

    "Well from the esperience of most OWers, the opportunity to reconsider your beliefs and actions usually results in an obscenity laden cuss-out."

    I know just what you mean Cecelia; Take for example, your own right of center daily lunchtime poster who calls himself both George and Laura Bush, who has taken "obscenity laden cuss-outs" to a new level of intensity.

    "Well from the esperience of most OWers, the opportunity to reconsider your beliefs and actions usually results in an obscenity laden cuss-out."

    I know just what you mean Cecelia; Take for example, your own right of center daily lunchtime poster who calls himself both George and Laura Bush, who has taken "obscenity laden cuss-outs" to a new level of intensity.

    Posted by: Mike at June 13, 2007 7:26 PM


    Well, Mike, if I'm ever capable of engaging in the idiotic level of argument that would suggest that everyone from only one side of the political spectrum engages in bad behavior, I'll remember your post and think it has some relevance then-- while I'm slitting my wrists...

    No, Sir Loin, I only watch shows produced by Roger Ailes or Republican campaign sponsors. But then your open-minded, free-thinking, self-analytical --- self--- knew that.... :D

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 7:25 PM


    It was a serious question, Cecelia. Your sarcastic answer sheds light only on the right-wing's flight from truth, and also illustrates my earlier point that one needs to be honest in order to be funny. You also have to belive what you say in order to frank - which is why I suspect you hide behind puns all of the time in lieu of answering direct questions.

    If you watched the first ten minutes of any "Daily Show" installment you'd suffer horrible cognitive dissonance that would drive you to frequent sme crap-site called "StewartWatch" or something; the "wink" you referrenced before is really a subliminal admission to a "pucker" - and not one anywhere on your face.

    If you watched the first ten minutes of any "Daily Show" installment you'd suffer horrible cognitive dissonance that would drive you to frequent sme crap-site called "StewartWatch" or something; the "wink" you referrenced before is really a subliminal admission to a "pucker" - and not one anywhere on your face.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 13, 2007 7:36 PM


    Yeah, that and Borowitz Report, Sir Loin. You know the tremendous stock conservatives/libertarians put in politicians and political solutions to all of life's problems, that any skewerings via political humor and parody just gives us a trauma.

    We have never met but your high-powered liberal open-mindedness and introspection knows me completely. It's just too deliciously scary.... :D

    Well, speaking of comedy, we'll take this word of wisdom in the same spirit we take the left's self proclaimations of open-mindedness and introspection--- with a wink...

    Now that is honesty!

    I just wanted to give a little update on a soldier named CJ Grisham who commented here. I saw A Soldier's Perspective post and used it here in response to SLOB but didn't know much about him at the time. He has taken a hiatus from ASP but the site is still up and running by others. He is a pretty well-known blogger. An embedded reporter from the Boston Herald covered his unit early in the war and received national attention. It was there I learned that he speaks Arabic. His experience in Iraq must have proven very valuable. I'll end with this:

    My good buddy CJ of the milblog A Soldier’s Perspective was recently in the news. What CJ is doing is amazing. Read below.

    (Army Times) Master. Sgt. CJ Grisham didn’t like the wording of a news report when CBS cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan, “along with a soldier,” had been killed in an attack in Iraq.

    “I got so angry,’” Grisham said. “I was yelling at the TV: ‘He has a name!”

    He wants to make sure it doesnt happen again.

    Grisham launched a Web site, http://www.TheyHaveNames.com, to honor the memory of every last service member who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Just a plug for something truly worthy.

    That's right, AAP.

    What HAVE you done with Royal?

    Yes, what HAS happened to Jeff? I finally started ignoring him and then he dissapears!!!

    I'm sorry Jeffy!


    ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROVE Justice Department officials were never supposed to let the world know that one of the U.S. attorneys was let go to make way for a protege of Karl Rove. Nuh uh. A major meltdown from one of Turdblossom's underlings, after Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty had spilled the beans on Capitol Hill - in other words, testified truthfully - is just one of the gems in the latest batch of emails released yesterday by the Justice department.


    MSNBC allow this on their web site? A national news out let calling a government employee "Turdblossem". I find this unbeliveable.

    http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/13/224851.aspx

    What HAVE you done with Bovine?-

    How do I know. I didn't do anything to him.

    Hopefully, Bovine got out of the barn, took a nice 2 week vacation with beach, sun, palm trees, sipping Mojitos, and leaving us expecting his daily stupidity.

    Ooooooowwwwooooowww Bwooooovine!!

    Here! Here! Here! Bwoooovine!!

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at June 13, 2007 8:15 PM


    While you're at it.. who are you and what have you done with our lovable AAP BU$HWIPE$! too....

    Yeah, that and Borowitz Report, Sir Loin. You know the tremendous stock conservatives/libertarians put in politicians and political solutions to all of life's problems, that any skewerings via political humor and parody just gives us a trauma.

    We have never met but your high-powered liberal open-mindedness and introspection knows me completely. It's just too deliciously scary.... :D

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 13, 2007 7:46 PM


    C'mon, Cecelia; be fair. You brag up your own "openmindedness" ("...or can I enjoy and admire Colbert and Stewart too on Comedy Central as well as your Cartoon Planet? ") prompting me to ask in utter disbelief if you actually watch these shows. You can't bring yourself to answer one way or another. I find that strange but telling.

    MSNBC allow this on their web site? A national news out let calling a government employee "Turdblossem". I find this unbeliveable.


    http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/13/224851.aspx

    Posted by: D-ranged at June 13, 2007 8:09 PM


    Are you unaware that "Turdblossem" is Bush's own declared nick-name for Rover?"

    Grisham launched a Web site, http://www.TheyHaveNames.com, to honor the memory of every last service member who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Just a plug for something truly worthy.

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 7:48 PM

    Truly a noble undertaking. Try holding a placard with all of those names at a Bush appearance. People doing nothing but wearing T-shirts listing the names of the fallen have been arrested at Bush events.

    Grisham is going to have a hard fight with the cowardly White House, who have always resisted such recogniton, and who constantly expose their ignorance or lack of interest in the costs of this war.

    Turdblossom.......no problem. I wonder what would happen if Bill-O made reference to "Bitch Hillery"? Oh I get it, its kinda like when 2 black people call each other "niggas" and "ho's". We just a funen.

    Or 2 white people call each other rednecks.

    If KO wants his staff to operate at a steet level mentality then go for it dude.

    Grisham supports the war, if you recall. I am going to do what I can to promote that site. Do you think KO would be willing to have him on as a guest? He personally contacts the family members and writes a tribute based upon the reflections of the family. He posts pictures as well. It is really very moving. He now has a couple of others helping but it is all voluntary work during "spare" time. Grisham was working at a Taco Bell drive through and recently engaged to be married when he decided to enlist.

    "Grisham supports the war, if you recall. I am going to do what I can to promote that site. Do you think KO would be willing to have him on as a guest?"

    Yeah, I got the message that he supports the war from the fact that you mentioned him. Is his position in that regard supposed to turn some switch in my head that would make me frown on his efforts to have the fallen recognized as real people? I know that's the way right wing brains work, but not mine.

    And as for whether KO will have him on - I would hope he would, but I really don't know.

    Will the White House link his site on their web-page? Not a chance.

    If KO wants his staff to operate at a steet level mentality then go for it dude.

    Posted by: Bung Hole at June 13, 2007 9:50 PM

    As I said above; Bush's pet name for Rove is "Turdblossem" - check it out, I think it was in Woodward's book. Is your president operating on a "street-level mentality"?

    ....well, watching that clip on tonight's COuntdown of the Bumblefuck in Chief smiling like a hollywood retard at a blank telprompter suggests that he's on a gutter or sewer-level mentality.

    >Anon, It was not a plug for the site (moderate vocie), just a reference to a comment above. I don't know why you think you have Colbert. I have seen him do his spiel with both sides of the aisle. It ain't pretty for either!

    Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2007 6:52 PM

    I didn't consider it a 'plug.' I thanked you for posting the link, without which I wouldn't have found the site.

    Those words weren't mine, as I am not Stickings. I realize it looks as though that last line was an add-on by whoever posted it but it isn't, it's part of the article...

    Broad-brushed labels aside, Colbert and Stewart are what they are, and that is spot-on most of the time.

    Not to mention funny as hell!

    John: right though. Kohn even said O'Reilly should apologize, which I thought was a mistake. He just missed the point totally. He passively accepted Abrams' misframing of the issue. Bill wasn't talking about explosions not mattering because solders' lives don't matter; he was simply saying that micro coverage of every bomb going off doesn't advance the story and give us any new insight as to what's going on over there. And he's right! Another bomb going off doesn't matter to me! But that doesn't mean you're insulting the troops and need to apologize.

    END QUOTE(I just love doing that, Thanks Laura)

    For one, can you not accept that maybe, just maybe Bill O is an asshole who doesnt care about troops? If he did maybe he would want to get them out of harms way...like most the U.S. does. And if you want microcoverage of the war then go check out the AlQaeda websites...They DO post every bombing, every everything. However, MSNBC and CNN do not...They simply present an angle of the war that shows Americans what our men and women are actually going through. I wonder if Fox not showing anything about the war has something to do with the fact that fox viewers are generally less informed that the rest of the country, as well as less educated.

    "Daily Show" viewers are 78 percent more likely than the average adult to have four or more years of college education, while O'Reilly's audience is only 24 percent more likely to have that much schooling.
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/comedy.politics/

    Fox News viewers were "significantly more likely to have misperceptions" about the Iraq war than all other media consumers
    For example, 80% of Fox Viewers believed(at the time of the survey, I'm sure its only gotten worse though) that there were evidence of Al Qaeda links, WMD's in Iraq, and that we had a favorable Public Opinion versus 55% of the viewers of NBC, and 23% of the viewers of PBS/NPR
    http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf


    Just some food for thought...Wanna talk propaganda? They just decided to change the spelling of that word, it is now spelled F-O-X. General Stupidity + Lack of Coverage/Slanted Coverage = Stupid Americans.

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