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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    June 15, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - June 15, 2007

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Guest Host: Alison Stewart

    Topics/Guests:

    • SEN. HARRY REID (D-NEV.) CRITICIZES GENERALS PACE AND PETRAEUS; FINAL SURGE OF TROOPS ARRIVE TODAY: Jonathan Alter, Newsweek senior editor and MSNBC political analyst
    • ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Dana Milbank, Washington Post national political reporter and MSNBC political analyst
    • SPACE STATION PROBLEMS: James Oberg, fmr. NASA engineer and MSNBC space consultant

    This week there was something amiss:
    No Olby at all--it was bliss!
    Next week there's no sub,
    Keith crawls out of his tub.
    So get ready to mock and to hiss.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (178) | | View blog reactions

    178 Comments

    Even without Keith, the show still manages to give you something amazing. They had Rachael Maddow on tonight from one of Keith's favorite radio stations, Air America. She sounded off against a pardon of Scooter Libby. But she bashed Bush for not giving a pardon to Karla Faye Tucker. The woman who murdered two people with an axe.

    What is MSNBC coming to?

    On News Hole there is a cartoon picture of a monkey who took a dump in his hand and is looking at the poo trying to decide whether to throw it or I guess....eat it.

    Its a twisted attempt to dis Matt Drudge.

    And this is a national news organization??????

    Unbelievable.

    Whats next?

    Maddow is a lesbian. She probably wanted to date Karla Faye.

    Maddow is a lesbian. She probably wanted to date Karla Faye.

    Posted by: at June 15, 2007 10:22 PM

    Does this frighten you? Are you aware that Rove, Gonzales, Gillespie, Melman, and a host other top-tier Bushwipes are barely closeted faggots who sniff Bush's mountain-bike seat at every opportunity?

    ...and just who was it that was getting ass-fucked by Jeff Gannon on all of those documented nocturnal visits to the White House?

    You should be very, very afraid.

    Even without Keith, the show still manages to give you something amazing. They had Rachael Maddow on tonight from one of Keith's favorite radio stations, Air America. She sounded off against a pardon of Scooter Libby. But she bashed Bush for not giving a pardon to Karla Faye Tucker. The woman who murdered two people with an axe.

    Posted by: James at June 15, 2007 9:26 PM

    I thought a lot about that juxtaposition as well; wondering what the basis might be on which to compare or contrast these two cases.

    Tucker's case was capital - she was to be - and eventually was - executed. Libby is looking at 2.5 years in some cushy Government-run Hotel Six.

    Tucker killed a couple of people in horribly brutal manner.

    Libby was involved in the cover-up of the conspiracy to expose a CIA undercover agent, which resulted inthe exposure of her entire overseas network, possibly contributing to the documented deaths of various "assets".

    Tucker turned all Christ-y and felt that having been "born again" absolved her of her crimes; many prominent American Christians apparently felt the same way, and begged Bush to pardon her.

    Libby seems to feel he did nothing wrong, and, like G. Gordon Libby and Ollie North before him, appears to believe that if something is done for the President, it is not a crime. Many prominant Right-wingers feel the same way, and are demanding that Bush pardon Libby.

    Personally, the Tucker decision may be about the only decision Bush has made that doesn't really piss me off. He was, however, extremely petulent and unseemly in his commentary of is decision not to pardon Tucker "Oh pleeeaase don't kill me" he squeaked during an interview, in a chilling immitation of the death-row diva.


    In short, although I generally find Maddow's positions to be very sound and well thought-out, I think that this one was a little strained. I don't like the death penalty, but if you're going to kill anybody it might as well be an axe-murderer who hides behind Jesus (and maybe war-mongers who hide behind Jesus).

    There’s really a good explanation,
    For giving Olby a week on vacation,
    He’ll never be missed,
    Cuz on the ratings list,
    He’s the worst anchorman in the nation.

    "Libby was involved in the cover-up of the conspiracy to expose a CIA undercover agent, which resulted inthe exposure of her entire overseas network, possibly contributing to the documented deaths of various "assets" .... Sir Loin of Beef

    1. Fitzgerald never proved there was a conspiracy by the Bush Administration to expose a CIA undercover agent. If he had, they would all be lining up to spend some time at the big house. That never happened, so he had to settle on a lesser charge after opening up a revolving door to the Grand Jury for everyone but Plame and Wilson.

    2. Libby was convicted of perjury during an investigation of a crime that was never committed, and therefore should not have been investigated. Plame was not covert nor a classified agent. She was however, a PR agent for her lyng husband who needed a job.

    3. Fitzgerald learned early on in the investigation that Richard Armitage leaked Plame's name to the press, ignored this fact and continued with his unwarranted dragging of one Bush Admin official after another before the grand jury.

    4. I don't recall Fitzgerald claiming that Libby "possibly" contributed to the documented deaths of various assets. Since when is "possibly" considered a fact prosecutable under the law? You're making things up.

    5. BJ CLinton committed perjury and got a get out of jail free card. The difference was Clinton lied to cover up something that actually took place, not some contrived story drummed up by the liberal media.

    Rachel Maddow looks like a boy
    Non-lesbians she'll will annoy
    America Erred
    Bankruptcy fared
    She'd like Ally as her gal-toy

    Richard Armitage outed Valerie Plame.
    He told Robert Novak.
    Armitage says so.
    Novak says so.
    Fitzgerald says so.
    Armitage was not charged with any crime in the matter.
    He never will be.
    Not a dingbat leftist in America even cares.
    Why?
    Because Armitage has turned against the war in Iraq and is, in effect, an ally of leftist dingbats, and is, therefore, in a state of grace.

    Average American Patriot .....

    That's quite a detailed rebuttal you got there pal.

    If Plame was covert or classified, and Libby outed her, which led to agents all over the world being killed, why didn't Fitzgerald prosecute Libby for this treasonous crime?

    I'll be waiting ..........

    AAP:

    Three hours and all you can come up with is a lame excuse accompanied by an ad hominem attack. I wasn't looking for a "reason?", just some stimulating intellectual debate. I'm not surprised that a lib would resort to name calling rather than defend a position with facts and logic.

    The facts of the case and judgement of the special prosecutor are in dark contrast to your opinion. You're saying Plame WAS covert doesn't make it so. Stating the obvious about Libby facing charges doesn't change the fact that those charges came about as a result of an overzealous prosecutor who failed to investigate the original (and known) source of the leak, the victim of the leak or her husband who provided false information in an editorial for the New York Times in an attempt to embarrass the Bush Administration.

    If Plame WAS covert, AND Libby outed her he would be facing far more serious charges than Fitzgerald's drummed up charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.

    He isn't. There's a reason why, one that is obviously beyond your limited comprehension of our legal system. That is, unless you have uncovered some new evidence that Ftizgerald is not aware of.

    Plame was "covert" and I'm John Wayne!

    Fitzy gives an exclusive interview with Newsweek, a well known liberal rag and mouthpiece for the DNC, and now reveals long after the fact that Plame WAS a covert agent. Now she is, but before she wasn't, or he wasn't sure and now he is?

    To quote the church lady .... "How convenient"

    If Plame qualified as a covert agent under the Intelligence Identities [Protection] Act, Fitzgerald should have prosecuted Richard Armitage and whoever else leaked her information years ago.

    So why didn't he when he had the chance, and now claims he had the ammunition to convict? Because she wasn’t covert in the true sense of the meaning of the IIPA. Fitzgerald knew that all though his drawn out investigation of the leak, yet now he chooses to find new truth to appease the left and all of the hack journalists over at Newsweek. That includes Michael Isikoff, who interviewed Fitzgerald and can also lay claim to the false "Flushing Korans down the Toilet" he authored for Newsweek. Yeah, let's believe Fitzy and Mikey. Neither one can keep their story straight.

    Out of every class of graduating lawyers, someone finishes last in the class. Fitzgerald has renewed my faith in this truism.

    The man who ran on the platform of cleaning up Washington has proven to have the most corrupt administration ever.

    Hypocrites.


    Posted by: The Truth at June 16, 2007 5:45 PM

    Pelosi is a man? All this time, I never knew! Makes sense, now......

    It just goes to show how jaded and off your rocker you are to think NEWSWEEK is a " liberal rag and mouthpiece for the DNC."
    Newsweek has been one of the most respected magazines in this country for decades.

    Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at

    Yup, you're right. They're fair and balanced. Right up there with Time magazine, the NY Times, the Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS and last but not least the tools like Olberdunce and Chrissy Matthews at MSNBC.

    Get a clue dude. The columnists over at Newsweek camp out on MSNBC. That should give you some clue as to their political ideology.

    Next you're gonna tell me Olberdunce is respected too, huh? Go ahead. Please tell me that's what you think, and that should put this argument to rest.

    Newsweek respected. HAHAHA

    AAP:

    Quite a vocabulary you've developed. You must be proud of yourself. Will you be graduating to fifth grade next year or will they be holding you back?

    FYI, that's ad hominem, not that you'd understand the concept.

    Night Night.

    "Yup, you're right. They're fair and balanced. Right up there with Time magazine, the NY Times, the Washington Post, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS and last but not least the tools like Olberdunce and Chrissy Matthews at MSNBC."

    I COMPLETELY agree with you, Fog...
    Everyone knows its a FACT that those outlets are liberal cess pools disguising themselves as journalism. That's a slam-dunk. Those outlets want only to perpetuate the left-wing agenda.

    Remember when Clinton got his blow-job? I don't remember ONE of them reporting it even once. I don't remember the impeachment hearings in the news at the time either, and I certainly don't recall the Starr report ever being mentioned.

    Clinton got a free ride in this country thanks to the pinko-faggot left. You had to really search deeply to find any anti-Clinton reporting at the time.

    The witch hunt that these papers and cable channels are on right now is un-American. George Bush should put them all in jail forever until they report the right things.

    I can only get my news from a few sources right now. The Drudge report, the Wall St. Journal, and of course, FoxNews.

    "Ah yes, you ARE that stupid !"

    I know you are but what am I.

    fogw, below average mexican patty/nobody cares what her name is gets her news from bbc, if that tells you anything!

    No one cares about Valerie Plame
    Unemployed husband laying the blame
    Mister Plame's in cahoots
    Val dyed her black roots
    Because "Covert" is her middle name

    He thinks everyone comes from Mexico.
    What's wrong with this jerk ?

    Posted by: at June 17, 2007 10:02 AM

    Can you back this assertion/lie? Think before you post, please.

    The one who outed Valerie Plame
    Has been denied his chance for fame
    Armitage talked
    Fitzgerald balked
    Instead Scooter victim of the blame game

    anonyloon, there is a difference between "everyone" and "one" and "a number of people" and "one." The person that posts from mexico uses several names, though. He is one and the same. Are you bothered by the fact I know this? Stick to the topic at hand, this is olbermann watch. Can you handle that?

    China arming terrorists
    New intelligence reveals China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran.
    U.S. government appeals to China to check some of the arms shipments in advance were met with stonewalling by Beijing, which insisted it knew nothing about the shipments and asked for additional intelligence on the transfers. The ploy has been used in the past by China to hide its arms-proliferation activities from the United States, according to U.S. officials with access to the intelligence reports.
    Some arms were sent by aircraft directly from Chinese factories to Afghanistan and included large-caliber sniper rifles, millions of rounds of ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades and components for roadside bombs, as well as other small arms.
    Not from the ap!

    Sir Loin has incredible gay-dar. Wowzer!

    This War of YOUR president has been WRONG WRONG WRONG !

    fugw,

    How many times must it be explained that Fitzgerald has been very clear that the investigation of the crime committed against Plame and America by the Bush administration has been - right up to the present - hamstrung by Libby's lies under oath. That is why Libby is going to jail; and why no one else, at the moment, is joining him for complicity in this conspiracy.

    But the Royalfraud is afraid to post where it did come from.
    And I thought you were for capitalism.

    Posted by:prick at June 17, 2007 3:50 PM

    1. What does capitalism have to do with the origin of a news article? That article came from the Wash Times, anything else, anonyloon?

    First of all, RK has no idea where people are posting from.
    2nd..who the fuck cares where anyone posts from.
    and 3rd.You waste all of our time talking about this nonsense.

    Posted by:same prick at June 17, 2007 3:53 PM

    2. First, you are wrong. Second, you must care because you are the one who keeps bringing it up. Your third line couldn't be more hypocritical, could it?

    And all of this pertains to Olby's show of 6/15 how exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, it's just another attempt by the anonymous Olbyloons to hijack the board to discuss their pet topics of the day.

    Olbyloons just love to dismiss sources they don't agree with. And I do believe Bob Cox still owns this board Olbylosers--not you and posting all the off-topic crap in the world won't change the fact that this board exists and points out what an idiot your pretend boyfriend is on a daily basis. Deal with it Olbyloons!

    Wo are things so bad now that the WP's writers won't even put their name to an article?

    brandon is an amazing douche.

    Coming from a hardcore sp, that means a lot!

    Brandon,

    The writer's name is Dan Eggen...

    Sore Loin said:

    “How many times must it be explained that Fitzgerald has been very clear that the investigation of the crime committed against Plame and America by the Bush administration has been - right up to the present - hamstrung by Libby's lies under oath.”

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    If this is your opinion, then you would have to agree that Fitzy is one shortsighted lawyer with his head up his ass. If he’s “hamstrung” by Libby’s lies under oath in the investigation of crimes committed “by the Bush administration”, here’s an idea ……….. instead of wasting any more time being hamstrung by Libby, why not go after the actual known and confessed source of the original leak – Richard Armitage?

    What a dope of a lawyer. Here’s a prosecuting attorney who has at his disposal, the person who confessed to making the original leak to the press. He’s hamstrung with Libby, as you say, but he won’t bring before the grand jury the individual, he, the press, and everyone else in America knows leaked Plame’s identity. Talk about incompetence.

    Now we all know why he REFUSES to drag Armitage before a grand jury to testify. Armitage was one of the cronies in the State Department who had it in for Bush and was against the war in Iraq from the get-go. Armitage is anti-Bush. Going after Armitage would mean going after someone else who wants to nail the Bush administration. Armitage is an enemy of Bush and his underlings in the administration. The enemy of my enemy is Fitzgerald’s friend.

    Armitage KNEW he was the original leaker in the case, yet he kept his mouth shut and let Libby take all the heat. Here’s another interesting tidbit for you, long before this whole stink started, Libby acted as Armitage’s attorney in a legal matter and performed the work Pro Bono. How does Armitage repay his friend? By remaining silent about his own guilt, while his friend was continuously paraded before the Grand Jury until Fitzy finally scraped up a perjury charge.

    If Fitzgerald found himself stuck in neutral because Libby lied, as you claim, he should have subpoenaed Richard Armitage in a heartbeat. Imagine a Law and Order episode, where the detectives are grilling a perp, trying to get a confession out of him, and the precinct Captain shows up and says, “Hey, you can lay off of that guy now, we have a confession from the guy who committed the crime”. And the detectives respond by saying “No, we know we’ve got our man right here, we caught him lying about what he had for breakfast yesterday, so we’re positive he’s covering up for something”.

    HAMSTRUNG BY LIBBY?

    SUBPOENA ARMITAGE.

    PROBLEM SOLVED.

    "Imagine a Law and Order episode, where the detectives are grilling a perp, trying to get a confession out of him, and the precinct Captain shows up and says...."

    Its all TV-land for you drowning-rat dilletantes, isn't it? Everything is explainable through allusions to "24" or "Law and Order". I bet your 2008 ticket will be Fred Thompson/Jack Bauer, with not a one of you realizing that both of these are fictional characters.

    To carry on with your couch-potato analogy; were this story on "Law and Order" we would know by now that there a deal had been reached between Armitage (played by Brian Denehy) and Fitzgerald/McCoy; low public exposure and soft legal handling in exchange for information already delivered that will be more useful once Libby (played by Ellen DeGeneres) cracks wide open after 2 weeks in stir.

    While your response was entertaining, not to mention preposterous, you failed to address the real question.

    My commentary centered on Armitage. The L&O analogy was inserted to emphasize the absurdity of Ftizgerald's inexcusable non-investigation into Armitage, so simple minded people like you could grasp the concept. Not to my surprise, it seems the L&O analogy was the only part of the entire commentary that you picked up on, and focused your dimwitted response with your own childish style of absurdity. Nice going.

    Libs always like to change the subject and skirt the real issues. You get a gold star!

    Try and act like a grown up now. Try and focus on the point.

    YOU said, Fitzgerald was hamstrung by Libby. I countered by saying Fitz had the option to subpoena Armitage, yet he didn't.

    Here's the question for you .....

    Why hasn't he, since Armitage had admitted that he was the original source of Plame's leak to Novak?

    The THEORY that there was a coordinated effort by Libby/Rove/Cheney et al to destroy the Plame-Wilsons is at the heart of all of this.....

    The FACT that no one has been brought before a judge with charges regarding leaking Plame's identity is sufficient for me to know that no serious crime occurred and Libby's conviction on a lesser crime is simply Fitzgerald's only success (all attorneys need a win somehow).... congratulations to this fine attorney and I hope him the best in his career.....

    ....just as I congratulated Kenneth Starr in his legal successes back in the day......

    It's all Washington politics and it means nothing to the average American (other than what should be obvious....don't lie.)

    Nice quote from a great leader....I may need to keep repeating it....

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "I bet your 2008 ticket will be Fred Thompson/Jack Bauer, with not a one of you realizing that both of these are fictional characters."

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    FYI, both are not fictional, only Bauer. Sad realization for you, huh?

    fogw,

    When was Clinton convicted of perjury?...

    Laura wets her panties again!!

    LOL!!!

    Laura, I have to ask you, are you related to Bovine? or are you two just sworn BUSHWIPES?

    Hey Bovine! Come take a look at Laura and see for yourself what you look like when you skip your meds.

    ROFLMAO!

    FYI, both are not fictional, only Bauer. Sad realization for you, huh?

    Posted by: fogw at June 18, 2007 1:05 PM

    Shows how perceptive you are, Bumblefuck. Thompson is a professional beltway lobbyist who's got all of you morons thinking he really drives that red pickup truck that shows up at his campaign stops. He's as fictional as they come. "Aw shucks"

    blindrat,

    Clinton was impeached on two counts in the House of Representatives, grand jury perjury and obstruction of justice with the votes split along party lines. The conviction did not stand up in the U.S. Senate – a number of Republican senators (10) voted with the Democrats, avoiding the embarrassment of impeaching a sitting president.

    There was no conviction, depending on the meaning of what was, was. :)

    We all know Clinton had nothing to hide.

    My apologies.

    Apology accepted. Good thing, too...

    ...I might have had to ask you what statement he made that was perjury...

    Shows how perceptive you are, Bumblefuck. Thompson is a professional beltway lobbyist who's got all of you morons thinking he really drives that red pickup truck that shows up at his campaign stops. He's as fictional as they come. "Aw shucks"

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    Again, avoiding the point. This is tiresome.

    How perceptive I am? HAHA that's funny.

    Even when you get caught in your f'ed up accusations, you stick to your guns. I just love watching libs squirm and twist the truth into a knot to support their lunacy.

    Two suggestions for you .......

    Visit Wikipedia and run a search on Fred Thompson. Educate yourself instead of throwing out one lie after another.

    Get out a dictionary. It's that book thingy with lots and lots of words in it. Then look up fictional. Words have meanings.

    And .... oh yeah,

    Fitzy, why doesn't he subpoena Armitage?

    ooo, Wikipedia. Lying politicians have full-time employees to continually adjust that venerable but fluctuating referrence source in their employers' favor.

    But what are you saying? Thompson did not work for 17 years as a K-street lobbyist? Is he really a Deisha County tobacco farmer who eats hash at a dirty-spoon diner every day?

    "Fitzy, why doesn't he subpoena Armitage?"

    I don't know; do you?

    Why did Scooter lie under oath?

    Pretty sad...

    But, easier than responding to the facts that we post, eh child?

    blindrat,

    I'm 150% billable for my work at FrontPageMag, I do OW pro bono.

    "Fitzy, why doesn't he subpoena Armitage?"

    I don't know; do you?

    Why did Scooter lie under oath?

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Ah, you've resorted to answering questions by asking more questions. Very weak.

    I already gave MY reasons why I believe Fitzy hasn't gone after Armitage in a previous post. You know, the one where you're fuzzy brain got locked on to the Law & Order analogy and ignored the rest of my commentary on the subject.

    If Fitzy subpoenaed Armitage it would detract from the constant media drumbeat of how the evil Bush administration officials ..... Rove, Cheney, Libby, were guilty as sin for outing an agent. Chrissy and Olberdunce would have to drop the story like a hot potato and run a series of specials on how the evil U.S. troops were killing Iraqi babies for food.

    And imagine how stupid Ftizy would look taking Armitage before the Grand Jury and have Armitage admit to the whole world he was the original leaker of Plame's identity to Novak, and not Libby.

    Over heard at the grand jury testimony ........

    "Uh, excuse me Mr. Prosecutor, but haven't you been telling us for the past two years that Libby outed Plame to Novak?" "Who's this Armitage guy, and why wasn't he brough forward to testify?" Could've saved us a lot of time and saved our goverment tens of millions of tax dollars if you brought him in earlier". "What's that, YOU KNEW Armitage was the leaker two years ago and ignored him?" "Boy, this Fitzgerald guy is a class A dunderhead."

    Why did Scooter lie? That might be better phrased, "How did Scooter get caught up in a lie?"

    I wouldn't have wanted to be on that witness stand trying to remember every phone call I made, every reporter I spoke to, when I spoke, what I said .... from conversations years and years ago. You keep bringing the witness back two, three, four times, eventually anyone will make a contradiction. In this case, a contradiction, accidentally or on purpose, equals a perjury count. I never want to end up in court under those conditions. Do You?

    It was a witch hunt dummy. The fact that Armitage has not been brought before the Grand Jury would make any person with common sense realize it was nothing more than that. They got their witch. Libby will be punished. Armitage will sell his book.

    Justice has been served. **cough**cough**cough**

    "Get out a dictionary. It's that book thingy with lots and lots of words in it. Then look up fictional. Words have meanings."

    Neocons are hyper literal - but only when it suits them. When things get tricky they come up with such post-modern newspeak as saying "temporary surge" when they mean "generational troop commitment".

    They can actually make themselves believe that a Washington lobbyist/Hollywood actor is really a snuff-spitting good-old-boy, or a Connecticut-raised Andover/Yale legacy grad is really a Texas Cowboy.

    I didn't say "temporary surge. I didn't say "generational troop commitment". Where do you come up with this sh*t?

    Focus man. Focus.

    You go off on these tangents rather than have an honest debate. You avoid the topic and go after any prominent Republican you can think of with name calling, ridicule and outright buffoonery.

    When asked a direct question, all you can come up with is "I don't know". What ..... is your brain empty?

    You bore the hell out of me. I'm going to debate my dog. He's more attentive.

    I would vote for a man with cowboy boots on over a birkenstock wearing, dope smokin' liberal any day! Thompson has Billary shakin' in her sandals as we speak! She has spent millions of dollars trying to find dirt on Fred and all of her pi's can't find jack because there isn't anything to find. Thompson will win the nomination, mark my words.

    Here's the problem with neocons, folks. Rk makes his political selections based upon footwear...

    RK. Thompson will win the nomination...so? Doesnt mean he'll win the election. Just because your parties other big star was an actor turned politician doesnt mean that this guy isnt just another two-bit republican chump. Why dont you respond to any of my posts about you anymore? Were the things I've said in my last few posts really that dead on about you?

    Yeeeeaaaaaaa

    I want my president to have gotten VD from her husband. I want her to have been involved in illegal land deals.

    I want her to have made $100,000.00 by selling short in a fraudulent stock trade.

    I want a president who is dumber that the one we have now and to have proved it by failing the bar.

    I want a president who has never served in the military in any way.

    I want a president with a bigger ass than my girl friend.

    I want HILLERY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT........Yeeaaaaaaaaaa!

    "The FACT that no one has been brought before a judge with charges regarding leaking Plame's identity is sufficient for me to know that no serious crime occurred"

    Some more serious crimes that must not have occurred to Cee:

    The murders of Tupac, Notorious B.I.G., The Black Dahlia, and Jon Benet Ramsey

    D.B. Cooper's escape

    The Lindbergh baby's kidnapping

    Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance

    and last but not least..................

    OSAMA BIN LADEN

    Cee must be sufficiently sure that these crimes also never happened.

    After all, none of them came before a judge.

    I love Bush apologists.
    ANYTHING GOES.

    Keep your heads deep in the sand folks.

    So why haven't the Dems gotten the balls to impeach Bush? If he's so guilty shouldn't his guilt be easy to prove and convince Republicans too that he should be removed from office? I've asked this question many times but all the libs can whine about is that "we don't have the votes". If the case against Bush is as solid as you seem to think, surely there would be enough Republicans who would bend to the will of the people in seeing him impeached. But not in LoonLand. They live by their own little belief system, it's easier than holding their leaders accountable.

    "Nice quote from a great leader....I may need to keep repeating it....

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR"


    Ya, because the toll this war in IRAQ has taken on this country is worth it? We are so much better off than when we started, right? Nobody questioned anything about the taliban or Afghanistan.
    This Iraq war is Bush's. His and only his.
    Well, maybe also to the 3,000+ dead and countless others maimed and their families.

    Iraq was not the place to go. PERIOD.
    How about starting with the country where almost ALL OF THE TERRORISTS came from, SAUDI ARABIA.
    What's been done about that? What about their teaching to the children that Americans, ALL AMERICANS are pigs and deserve to die? This is what they teach in SCHOOL in S.A.

    Don't give me the BS that we needed to go to Iraq and get our Army decimated first. The first thing Dumya should have done was ask Prince Fuckface to take his dick out of Bush's ass and take care of that situation.

    Anything else is a LIE.
    A lie which caused the destruction of countless American families.
    One of which of course was not W's.

    "Nice quote from a great leader....I may need to keep repeating it....

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR"


    Ya, because the toll this war in IRAQ has taken on this country is worth it? We are so much better off than when we started, right? Nobody questioned anything about the taliban or Afghanistan.
    This Iraq war is Bush's. His and only his.
    Well, maybe also to the 3,000+ dead and countless others maimed and their families.

    Iraq was not the place to go. PERIOD.
    How about starting with the country where almost ALL OF THE TERRORISTS came from, SAUDI ARABIA.
    What's been done about that? What about their teaching to the children that Americans, ALL AMERICANS are pigs and deserve to die? This is what they teach in SCHOOL in S.A.

    Don't give me the BS that we needed to go to Iraq and get our Army decimated first. The first thing Dumya should have done was ask Prince Fuckface to take his dick out of Bush's ass and take care of that situation.

    Anything else is a LIE.
    A lie which caused the destruction of countless American families.
    One of which of course was not W's.

    "If the case against Bush is as solid as you seem to think, surely there would be enough Republicans who would bend to the will of the people in seeing him impeached"


    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Now THAT'S funny!!

    Ya, republicans have had a long history of going against this administration.

    "Don't forget about Sandy Burglar who got a slap on the wrist. And not a peep out of Olby or his followers that swing from his nuts like chimps on a monkey bar or adorn his nuts like ornaments on a Christmas tree."


    THROW SANDY BERGER IN JAIL.
    THROW WILLIAM JEFFERSON IN JAIL.
    WHO IS DEFENDING THEM?

    ANYONE?

    More of the "Why should anyone in Bush's admin go to jail? Sandy Berger didn't!!!"

    SEND ALL OF THE CORRUPT ASSHOLES TO JAIL.

    Just save room for this whole friggin administration.

    "I want a president who is dumber that the one we have now..."

    Sorry.
    Short of electing some of the Bushwipes that post here I don't think that will be in any way possible.

    LoonLand is where anyones brain must live who still has ANYTHING to say in defense of the worst administration EVER.

    Nobody says "BUSH HAS BROUGHT SHAME"
    But the hapless poster has no name
    Anonyloon posting
    Dingbat boasting
    Empty between the quotes and in the brain

    Oh yeah codas, like Jimmy Carter was a prize. Oh but when history class was in session you were probably watching 'Captain Planet'.

    Long gas lines

    Hostages being paraded around tv. on a daily basis.

    Double digit inflation

    Lending rates at around 20%

    Yeah with all the proof you guys have had on Bush all these years, and you scumbags have both houses at the moment, you still can't come up with anything

    But I like to see you bitches moan. It's the only good thing you turd-balls......No wait, You ain't good at nothing.

    By the way, I'm still waiting for those Karl Rove indicments. That's about a year we've been waiting any day now right?

    Oh yeah, and Keith has a firm lock on 2nd place.

    You know it's the same s**t out of your dumb-ass mouths month after month, why don't you stick something in it. Like Average Clinton C**k Sucker does.

    I see where Hillary is up double digits in a poll on Obama, damm! there is a few idiots for her Village.

    Ya know coda you've been saying the same thing here for how f*kin' long, and whats happened? NOTHING!

    This just in, yeah five minutes ago. Listen up moveonjackasswhothef**kcares.

    Ready...........

    Ready..........

    Are you sure?

    Did the A.D.D. drugs kick in I want to make sure.

    Ready.........

    George Bush ain't running in 2008.

    I know this is hard to belive.

    I know, your in shock!

    I'll wait while you compose yourself, and flip the burgers.

    What's that definition of a brain dead, few fries short of a happy meal f**kin' moron?

    Oh yeah, somebody who........

    Are you ready?

    Are you ready?

    Are you sure?

    Drugs in, working fine?

    Okay just want to make sure.

    SOMEBODY WHO REPEATS THE SAME S**T OVER AND OVER AND OVER!

    Why Codas! That sounds just like you and Loin of Fat Back, and A.C.C.S.

    Now I could be wrong, maybe I should look up past posts from you and the other dim bulbs.

    Nah! I have more important things to do, like take a dump.

    But you girls have a nice time with your circle jerk/ bitch fest.

    Now what I came here for. And this s**t is a little more up to date so you girls just stay in the corner over there.

    It seems that Danny boy might be getting a paycut after all.

    Yes folks! It seems Elisabeth Rohm, who co-starred with Fred Thompson on L&O. Gets 25% of her salary from residuals from the show.

    As soon as Fred declares, those shows are on the shelf. Bye-Bye residuals till Dec. 2008!

    And since Danny can't seem to put a winning line-up together at MSLSD. Looks like tough times ahead!

    But here's something for you girls to ponder.

    Ready?

    Ready?

    Are you sure?

    This is important!

    I don't care if your left, right, center, up, down. If you got a brain........

    You girls can whine, bitch, moan. But please not in front of me I just ate.

    Fred Thompson's district-attorney character on "Law & Order" is part of the public consciousness.

    Fred Thompson and 'Law and Order' together, it's burned into the subconscious mind!

    Fred Thompson, and you dumb-asses think Hillary is going to win?

    No even you idiots ain't even that f**ked up!

    But then again you have been saying the same s**t for the past year or two or three or............

    Meanwhile every, and I mean every one of us!

    Are laughing!!!

    At you!

    Good-night girls!

    Hope I didn't make you soil your panties.

    But it's not like I care.

    Does this Puck character really think his inane string of incoherent one liners amuse or impress anyone?

    Time to impeach Harry Reid. His approval rating is 19%. Don't we base impeachment on approval ratings?
    Time to pardon Scooter Libby Bush. Time to build the f*@king fence. Liberals, shut up with you Iraq war bullshit. The adults in the room want to yell at Bush about what he is really screwing up. Go on Huffo post and spread coward complaints.

    No Factor, the REAL "adults in the room" want to yell at Bush at BOTH of the things he is screwing up, or has already screwed up: (1) - The Iraq War & (2) - Immigration.

    In other words, he has done NOTHING right!

    Jimmy Carter??? How many American servicemen died under Carter? The very idea of having to bring up Carter in defense of Bush says a lot.
    Are you listening?
    Are you ready?
    YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. You are a slave. You must submit to Republican bullshit.
    Are you listening?
    Get past them. Move on with your life and form some ideas of your own.

    mickey mouse is reading way too much media matters, move on,bbc, puffington post and watching waaaaaay too much of the orange faced retard. Bush has messed up immigration, now? mexicans just now started pouring across the boarder? It's all Bush's fault? He is pushing for total amnesty, put blacks and mexicans in higher places than any other president and the Disneyland character claims Bush has "screwed up immigration." Laughable, to say the least. Think before you spew, please.

    GREETINGS-FRIENDS.-SORRY-FOR-THE-ODD-TYPING.-REALLY-ODD-COMPUTER.-IN-THE-UK-FAR-LONGER-THAN-I-EXPECTED-BUT-NOW-EN-ROUTE-TO-MALLORCA-FOR-A-BIT-OF-R-AND-R.-TOOK-A-3-YEAR-ASSIGNMENT-IN-THE-UK-SO-VACATION-HOME-TO-PACK-UP-BACK-TO-THE-'NORTH'-AS-IT-IS-CALLED.-SO-MUCH-TO-SAY.-WILL-WRITE-ON-MY-RETURN.-DEMANDED-GOOD-INTERNET-ACCESS-AS-PART-OF-MY-COMP-PACKAGE-SO-I'LL-BE-A-REGULAR-IN-MID-SEPTEMBER.-NOT-SURPRISED-TO-SEE-ROYAL-PAI-SPOUTING-USUAL-DRIVEL-AND-RACIAL-HATRED.-A-HOPELESS-IGNORANT-BIGOT.-ALSO-NOT-SURPRISED-TO-SEE-ON-GOING-BUSH-DEMISE.-SO-IRRELEVANT-IN-EUROPE-UK-PROBABLY-STATES-TOO.-MY-BEST.-/S/EUNICE-PHILBY.

    GREETINGS-FRIENDS.-SORRY-FOR-THE-ODD-TYPING.-REALLY-ODD-COMPUTER.-IN-THE-UK-FAR-LONGER-THAN-I-EXPECTED-BUT-NOW-EN-ROUTE-TO-MALLORCA-FOR-A-BIT-OF-R-AND-R.-TOOK-A-3-YEAR-ASSIGNMENT-IN-THE-UK-SO-VACATION-HOME-TO-PACK-UP-BACK-TO-THE-'NORTH'-AS-IT-IS-CALLED.-SO-MUCH-TO-SAY.-WILL-WRITE-ON-MY-RETURN.-DEMANDED-GOOD-INTERNET-ACCESS-AS-PART-OF-MY-COMP-PACKAGE-SO-I'LL-BE-A-REGULAR-IN-MID-SEPTEMBER.-NOT-SURPRISED-TO-SEE-ROYAL-PAI-SPOUTING-USUAL-DRIVEL-AND-RACIAL-HATRED.-A-HOPELESS-IGNORANT-BIGOT.-ALSO-NOT-SURPRISED-TO-SEE-ON-GOING-BUSH-DEMISE.-SO-IRRELEVANT-IN-EUROPE-UK-PROBABLY-STATES-TOO.-MY-BEST.-/S/EUNICE-PHILBY.

    From AP http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PRNI9O0&show_article=1

    .. . Al-Qaida has conducted public executions in the Baqouba main square and otherwise sought to enforce an extreme Taliban-style Islamic code. The terror organization's actions in the province have caused some Sunni militants, al-Qaida's natural allies, to turn their guns on the group with American assistance and blessing. Some militant Shiites are likewise joining government forces in a bid to oust the foreign fighters and Muslim extremists. . . .

    Do we really want al-Qaida in control of Iraq? Weed them out so the Iraqis can take control of their own country.

    Sharon,

    Actually, if we leave Iraq, Al Qaeda will just get caught up in the same civil war that we are caught up in presently. It would probably be the best thing for the United States. Believe me, Al Qaeda ISN'T going to take over Iraq. They aren't even capable of governing on a nation level...

    As usual, Jeff misunderstands and misinterprets anything and everything he reads.....but who would expect anything more of such a proven moron?

    Bush is messing up on immigration because of the amnesty policy he is relentlessly pushing. In other words, dummy, I have a very conservative view about that particular issue.

    Anyone who could have read into my 1:46 post that I was blaming Bush for all of the illegals who have crossed over our border would indeed HAVE to be a moron. Anyone who would not immediately relate ANY discussion on the subject to the current policy controversy going on in Washington would have to be a moron.

    Bush is not a real conservative, nor is he a liberal. Neither would have chosen many of the strange paths this fool has embarked on, especially the Iraq debacle.

    Jeff, you obviously have a very serious problem with reading comprehension, and that is why 'debating' with you is very much like 'debating' with a neighbor's barking dog.

    DEARBORN -- Muslim leaders in Metro Detroit have decided not to raise private money to pay for two footbaths at a local college campus now that the American Civil Liberties Union has said the plan doesn't pose constitutional problems.

    The University of Michigan-Dearborn's plan to spend $25,000 on the footbaths was criticized on conservative blogs and radio shows this month. Critics said using public money for the project would violate the First Amendment, which says governments can't favor or subsidize religions.

    Muslims are required to wash body parts, including feet, up to five times daily before prayers.

    University officials say the floor-level wash basins are needed because some students at the 8,600-student campus wash their feet in the sinks.

    Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said his group was concerned a public outcry would cause the university to back down from the project.

    "If the ACLU had decided to take legal action against the UM-Dearborn, we probably would have called for the university to raise the funds privately, just so that the UM-Dearborn wouldn't have to go through the trouble of having to defend its position against the ACLU," Walid said.

    The good ole aclu hard at work at defending the enemy!

    Jeff, you obviously have a very serious problem with reading comprehension, and that is why 'debating' with you is very much like 'debating' with a neighbor's barking dog.

    Posted by: Mike at June 19, 2007 11:54 AM
    Unfortunately for you, I read and comprehend just fine. You are just proving you have bds. No matter what Bush does, it's wrong. He backs your buddies bill (Ted the drunk/murderer Kennedy) and you still aren't happy.

    >>The good ole aclu hard at work at defending the enemy!


    The ACLU defends our constitution. For neocons, the American constitution IS the enemy...

    The ACLU defends EVERYONE regardless of whether YOU or THEY agree with them:

    http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

    Unfortunately the Neocon mindset of 'my way or the highway' can't comprehend that.

    Jeff you moron....what you have never figured out is that I am NOT the classic liberal. I am no admirer of Ted Kennedy of Harry Reid. The issues that Bush uses to align himself with the classic liberals are wrong too.

    I am passionately against the Iraq war, and have been from the very beginning. That doesn't, and never has made me a 'liberal'. The war isn't, and never has been a liberal/conservative issue, although the stepford wife Republicans have chosen to wrap themselves up in it apparently out of party loyalty.

    As I already sad, I'm very much against giving illegal aliens amnesty and putting them ahead of immigrants trying to immigrate legally. In that regard I am quite conservative, and have been from the beginning.

    You people keep trying to frame it as if people like me will hate Bush no matter what he does...and that is a lie. Bush is aligning himself with the classic liberals in all the WRONG ways.

    Keep on believing that ardent Iraq war critics are all 'liberals', and that the sycophant war supporters are all conservative, but you will continue to believe a lie in the process.

    Among the people I admire the most - Pat Buchanon....who is as CONSERVATIVE as they come, but also an ardent war critic from day one. He warned Bush that if we invaded Iraq, we would be stuck with our very own "West Bank". People like Buchanon on both sides of the isle are the ones we SHOULD have been listening to in early 2003, BEFORE we created the disaster we now call the Iraq War. Since Bush wasn't listening to them then, maybe, just maybe, he should start listening to them now?

    Yes Jeff, you DO have a reading comprehension problem, along with your ridiculously twisted Michael Savage inspired worldview.

    Oh yeah Jeff, I see where you were advocating using MOABs to 'solve' our Middle East problems again....and then you wonder why so many people think you are a moron?

    We have "scores of Bovine-minded analysts"???!!!

    A scary thought!

    Jesus if it gets any more humid in DC today I am going to need a spatula to peel my sack off my leg.

    How come this building's freakin' air conditioner is always broken!!!

    There goes mickey mouse again, replacing "so many" for "one." You have tried speaking for others in the past, didn't work then won't work now. I noticed you left out the radical leftists you admire so much, good thinking. You're about as loyal and wishy washy as a 2 bit whore so you've probably ditched them by now, too.

    Thompson-08! Whoo Whoooooo! Billary and Hussain are scrambling now!

    anon 3:01,

    Code orange today (ozone). Free bus rides to and from Virginia. Other than that, no real benefit.

    You work in a federal office?

    Blindrat

    Yes I am one of the faceless drone down by the mall.

    Christ its hot in here! Who designed all these freakin' windowless boxes in a city built on a swamp? Now I am going to have to stand on the bus and sniff ass and feet for 57 minutes.

    Where you at?

    blindsheik is at his local mosque claiming to be at work!

    His name is Bovine because he 'milks' cows (and bulls) for a living...

    ...And Moron?

    Ain't it obvious?

    man, the heat's getting to everyone.

    how many people here are in the district?

    His name is Bovine because he 'milks' cows (and bulls) for a living...

    Posted by: at June 19, 2007 3:52 PM
    Actually, I sit around watching my cows gain 1 1/2 to 2 lbs each per day @ $1.50 per lb and raise and train Quarter horses as a paid hobby, if you must know. My milk is delivered. In my spare time I expose liberal hypocrisy (not hard) and the enemy within.

    Jeff drones: "I notice you left out the radical lefists you admire so much".

    You know what I noticed Bovinemoron?...you failed to address every single point I raised in two different posts.

    Is that what you call 'debate' Bovineking?

    And yes, lots of others have indicated they believe you are a moron other than myself, and that is where the "so many" came from.

    Care to try addressing any of the points I made at either 11:46 or 1:06?

    The Disneyland character spews "Buchanan is as conservative as they come." Wrong, his daughter makes him look like Nancy Pelosi.3
    He pukes "Mike Savage is ridiculously twisted." Wrong, again.
    Next, he claims MOAB's won't fix the Iraq problem, another outright lie. Couldn't be further from the truth. You fight wars with bombs, not by kissing ass, knocking on doors and passing out candy!
    Next, he stoops to claim he's not "liberal." Another outright lie, 2 for today!
    Lastly, being called a moron by any olbyloon is a good thing, mission accomplished! Next?

    Yes I am one of the faceless drone down by the mall.

    Christ its hot in here! Who designed all these freakin' windowless boxes in a city built on a swamp? Now I am going to have to stand on the bus and sniff ass and feet for 57 minutes.

    Where you at?


    I am sitting on top of a mountain looking across the canyon watching some guy cut firewood from my top deck in Longview Washington.

    Cool breeze out of the west, temp 82, not a cloud in the sky. Waiting for the radiator for my excavator to be fixed, gotta dig another trench.......maby tomorrow.

    Might take the 4 wheeler down to the Columbia river and fish a little tonight, the Coho are runing.

    Hey Royalmoron, is your 7:09 post your idea of 'debate'? Making a series of stupid assertions and denials without using any rational argument or fact to back them up?

    Here is Jeff's idea of 'debate': ....Did so!.... did not!....Did too!....did not!....So's your mother!....You're a liberal....Am not.....are too!

    What a freakin moron!!!

    There's no such thing debating with you, "mike." Your last post was as hypocritical as they come, to say the least.

    OK Jeff, you think it was 'hypocritical'.... OK, fine. Now it's your move. You have to articulate exactly what it is that you think is so 'hypocritical' and make a coherent argument to back up your assertion. Otherwise my points stand!

    You just SAYING my post was 'hypocritical' doesn't make it hypocritical.

    Here are some other points:

    - Just calling someone a 'leftist' doesn't make them a leftist.

    - Calling someone an "enemy defender" doesn't make them an enemy defender.

    - Simply SAYING that MOABs are the answer in Iraq, you need to articulate exactly how and where those MOABs are going to be used, and then what you think the consequences would be... both good and bad, otherwise, you sound like a damned fool.

    - Why didn't you respond to my liberal/conservative argument regarding the war? If you think I'm wrong, why can't you make an argument to that effect?

    _ How about my immigration stand? If you're so damned sure that I'm a classic liberal, tell us what is 'liberal' about that?

    You love to call people on this board 'liberals' and 'hypocrites', but you NEVER back up ANY of your assertions with anything of substance.

    In other words, you 'debate' like an elementary school child. You say you are successful, but it is very hard to imagine how in the hell someone as dumb as you come across on this board could possibly run his own business?

    Well, I tried...now it's back to just ignoring your stupidity again.

    Hey Royalmoron, is your 7:09 post your idea of 'debate'? Making a series of stupid assertions and denials without using any rational argument or fact to back them up?

    Posted by: "mike" at June 19, 2007 7:38 PM

    You make stupis assertions on a regular basis (hypocritical) and never have facts to back anything you say (hypocritical). Good enough? Yes. One more thing, "It's in the archives!" As mexican patty would say.

    http://thisdividedstate.blogspot.com/2007/06/keith-olbermann-uses-divided-state.html

    Apparently Keithy will steal from any left wing radical website.

    And "ropeadope" gore lover mysteriously apperars! Hurray!

    Sweet. The beginning of the end for the Republican's Great White Hope. Bye, Rudy. We've come to know you a bit too well it would seem.

    I hate God so much!!!!

    He is a pussy for not killing all the liberals.

    LB whines: "I hate God so much!!!!"

    Apparently you hate everything and everybody!

    What a jerk!

    Says Pussy Annoymous:

    "I hate God so much!!!!

    He is a pussy for not killing all the liberals.

    END QUOTE

    The more you post just proves my point. The laugh will be on you atheist. You sure aint bothering me.

    Says Pussy Pretend Laura Bush,

    The more you post just proves my point. The laugh will be on you atheist. You sure aint bothering me.

    END QUOTE

    Don't hijack my name, pussy pretender pussy-faced puss!

    Says Mike:

    "What a jerk!"

    You are a dumbass. Smoking all that dope in the 70's burn that much of the few brain cells you had Tommy Chong?

    Laura,

    Look who's talking, you degenerate atheist, you! Pathetic how you take a beautiful country like America and spew your atheist thought all over it, like it was your duty.

    Pig!

    This was posted on Fox News' website:

    Study Backs Up Feds' Theory of Why World Trade Center Collapsed on Sept. 11
    Wednesday, June 20, 2007

    E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
    INDIANAPOLIS — A computer simulation of the 2001 World Trade Center attacks supports a federal agency's findings that the initial impact from the hijacked airplanes stripped away crucial fireproofing material and that the weakened towers collapsed under their own weight.

    The two-year Purdue University study, funded in part by the National Science Foundation, was the first to use 3-D animation to provide visual context to the attacks, said Christoph Hoffmann, a professor of computer science and one of the lead researchers on the project.

    END ARTICLE

    Didn't see it on MSNBC's site or Yahoo that takes every effort to Bash our President. Hum? I guess they don't want all those stupid ass liberal zombies to hear the truth. You have to be a dumbsonsabitch to belive GW blew up the Towers. Look at Nifong, William Jefferson, Nagin the fudge stick, and the idiot called mayor in Detroit and these stupid liberals vote them back in office. That's all you need to know how stupid liberals are.

    I guess these enginers are wrong and Rosie and all the other loonies that say our President blew up the TC's are correct. That's pretty funny considering none of these moros could engineer their way out of a wet paper bag with a chain saw.

    Pussy Anonymous, you are either AAP or BR. You want to keep your established username for one angel persona while you use the other to act tough. Sorta like Jecky and Hyde, Abbott and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, Jerry and Dino, Dumb and Dumber. You really are a pussy. You better hurry, you may be late getting to Mickey D's to work that second shift job working the drive thru.

    Says Pussy Anonymous:

    Laura,

    Look who's talking, you degenerate atheist, you! Pathetic how you take a beautiful country like America and spew your atheist thought all over it, like it was your duty.

    Pig!

    END QUOTE

    Brandon, why don't you post this guys IP address. He posts as AAP, then anonymous and then creates usernames to back up his own posts.

    AAP=pussy anonymous
    pussy anonymous = cannon ball

    What a pussy.

    Yeah, Brandon!

    Then post everybody's IP address. We'll have a ball!

    And, I almost forgot, PUSSY!

    Says pussy anonymous, mike, aap, cannonball:

    "Says Pussy Pretend Laura Bush,

    The more you post just proves my point. The laugh will be on you atheist. You sure aint bothering me.

    END QUOTE

    Don't hijack my name, pussy pretender pussy-faced puss!"

    END QUOTE

    Yeah? I have a great life, great family, great job, great future and I'll be layin on the beach in the Bahamas retired by the time I'm 55. You aint going to put up much in a 401K working at Mickey D's or an associate at Walmart or a tech at Guys Groovy Stereo and no Social Security when you hit 65 so things are mighty bleak for someone that cries about outsourcing and the national debt.

    LB spews: "You are a dumbass. Smoking all that dope in the 70's burn that much of the few brain cells you had Tommy Chong?"

    AS, a matter of fact, I never touched the stuff.

    This is about the 20th time this pathetic jerk has attempted to characterize me and my lifestyle in a negative manner. He has been doing it hundreds of times with others as well.

    In my case he has been very wrong EVERY single time he has done it. Not even close.

    Haters like this "Laura Bush" jerk just love to characterize their political 'enemies' with stereotypical negative images. It gives them such comfort to think they can place those that disagree in a neat little black box of negative stereotypes. It makes it easy for them then because they can then conjure up images of mousy litte "America haters" who they see as polar opposites of themselves....and it's SO easy to hate a polar opposite!

    Trouble is, the "Laura Bushes" of the world are almost always WRONG!

    Jesus has come a long way from his original message of not seeking material gain and loving his neighbor.

    PUSSY PUSSY PUSSY!

    Says pussy anonymous:

    "Yeah, Brandon!

    Then post everybody's IP address. We'll have a ball!

    And, I almost forgot, PUSSY!"

    END QUOTE

    Yep, 20 something puke crapped out of an educational system gone wrong, the product of parents gone wrong and the product of a world that has rolled you up into a little shit ball.

    Jesus! Do you kiss Mary with that foul mouth? (pussy)

    Says Mike:

    "In my case he has been very wrong EVERY single time he has done it. Not even close."

    END QUOTE

    Well, Mike, if you question people's inteliigence and criticize them for backing our President, ask and ye shall receive. If you don't like it, don't come in here. You are just getting a taste of what that scum on any liberal hate site throws out. How does it feel? Now crawl back up in Rosie's or Mike Moore's ass wher you belong.

    Pussy-Jesus,

    George is my husband and even I think he's an idiot. What has he done right?

    'Jesus', there is a huge difference between criticizing those backing "our president" and throwing out the gutter level garbage you have been doing.
    As for your "liberal hate site" comment,
    are you calling this a conservative hate site? If so, thanks for putting into words what Robert Cox won't.
    He seems to think he's running a media watchdog site.

    Incidently, I don't like Rosie or Michael Moore any more than I like intollerant haters like yourself.

    You ask "How does it feel"? It feels fine because when you cross the line into the gutter as you have done, you become nothing better than the nut on street corner nut yelling at passing traffic with a megaphone.

    Why would I want to immulate them...or you?

    Pussy anonymous, you better get under your bed.

    1. The world is burning up and the seas are about to rise. Somebody throw me a life ring. Tie one off to my bed post.

    2. That National Debt must be choking you to death. My history teacher creid about the National debt in the mid 70's. Like I've said, time proves a liberal a liar.

    3. Holy shit, it's $10/gallon gas. It's horses ass like you that I would gladly pay $10/gallon for gas to watch people like you fold.

    4. Why even bother, Harry Reid says I'm supposed to feel squeezed, I aint gettin that big fat raise every year and inflation is suffocating me. The claustrophobia is killing me. I can't breathe. God help me. But wiat, you don;t believe in God.

    5. Help me Lord. Don't worry, I've lived long enough to know, you don't find God, he finds you. Funny thing is I think he has been ringing your door for quite sometime and you are too stupid to see it. I don't envy you. I do laugh at you. I dont Know anyone successfull with your attitude.

    6. Pussy.

    Pussy anonymous, you better get under your bed.

    1. The world is burning up and the seas are about to rise. Somebody throw me a life ring. Tie one off to my bed post.

    2. That National Debt must be choking you to death. My history teacher creid about the National debt in the mid 70's. Like I've said, time proves a liberal a liar.

    3. Holy shit, it's $10/gallon gas. It's horses ass like you that I would gladly pay $10/gallon for gas to watch people like you fold.

    4. Why even bother, Harry Reid says I'm supposed to feel squeezed, I aint gettin that big fat raise every year and inflation is suffocating me. The claustrophobia is killing me. I can't breathe. God help me. But wiat, you don;t believe in God.

    5. Help me Lord. Don't worry, I've lived long enough to know, you don't find God, he finds you. Funny thing is I think he has been ringing your door for quite sometime and you are too stupid to see it. I don't envy you. I do laugh at you. I dont Know anyone successfull with your attitude.

    6. I hope I don't lose my job at Mickey D's to outsourcing. Don't worry, I don't think they can ship burgers from the Phillipines or India. You have a great future at Mickey D's.

    7. I hope I don't the drafted. It's morons like you we will never have the draft again.

    To Pretend Pussy Laura Bush,

    1. Pussy

    2. Pussy

    3. Pussy

    4. Pussy

    5. Pussy

    6. I have nothing to add to that item.

    Says Mike:

    "'Jesus', there is a huge difference between criticizing those backing "our president" and throwing out the gutter level garbage you have been doing.
    As for your "liberal hate site" comment,
    are you calling this a conservative hate site? If so, thanks for putting into words what Robert Cox won't.
    He seems to think he's running a media watchdog site.

    Incidently, I don't like Rosie or Michael Moore any more than I like intollerant haters like yourself.

    You ask "How does it feel"? It feels fine because when you cross the line into the gutter as you have done, you become nothing better than the nut on street corner nut yelling at passing traffic with a megaphone.

    Why would I want to immulate them...or you? "

    END QUOTE

    Spoken like a true liberal. Pot, meet kettle. You think God has different levels in hell? If you do, you are stupid. You may not think your verbal abuse is wrong but then again a liberal can stuff $90k in a freezer of marked bills given to him by an undercover FBA agent and he is given a celebration victory and a big shit position on a committee, or back a DA that tries to put 3 white boys in jail and break every civil right they had and even today many still suypport him and claim this stripper was raped or cheer for victory when a Scooter Libby goes to jail but gives a Sandy Burglar a pass. Yeah, you liberals want it both ways. Well, it's a big world and in case your mommy didn't tell you, the world doesn't spin around Mike.

    My lunch is over Mike, I'm punching back in. Damn, where's that clock at? Yeah, it's OK for Mike to rip people.


    Oh, and one more thing: Pussy!

    It's interesting how haters like 'Laura Bush' keep accusing people like me of 'defending' the Sandy Burgers and William Jeffersons of the world. They are both a disgrace. ....these arguments are nothing but red herrings.

    For the record, they should probably both be in jail with Scooter, Cunningham, and Nay....and at least one of them almost certainly is headed there.

    That said, I will but the total corruption on the Democratic side against the republican side anyday. None of it should be tolerated or defended by any of us.

    As for your 'pussy' tag, don't make me laugh, you blathering jerk. My wife certainky doesn't think I'm a 'pussy', and if anyone I know personally thinks I am, they sure haven't been man enough to call me one.

    Oooowowowowowwwooh Bwwwwooovine!

    Laura over here is tryin' to *debunk* you as this site's biggest moron.

    Posted by:below average clinton c@*k smoker at June 20, 2007 2:06 PM

    I think you have that area pretty much covered. Thanks Bob!

    Is Olby back from vacation? Is he in fine fettle? Where is the sypopsis? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to start watching that awful show for myself!

    * synopsis

    Reading this comment section makes me feel like I'm in a room with junior high kids...
    And that's all of you, on both sides of the aisle.

    Okay, Laura. Lets dance.

    Sandy "Burglar" was tried, sentenced, and disbarred. Yeah, let off real easy.

    Oh yeah, In case you didnt know, Pot smoking does NOT kill brain cells, The study that showed it does was a one-time, poorly done experiment done on Rhesus monkeys. Since then they've tried to replicate such results by having the monkeys inhale the equivilent of 4-5 joints a day for a full year and found absolutely no abnormalities in the brain after they stopped smoking it.

    You really do just buy into government propaganda dont you...

    And you have a weird obsession with pussies...not get enough sex from President ShitForBrains?

    Booed by her own vermin in her own town! That can't be good......


    Sen. Hillary Clinton was booed again this morning at the Take Back America conference, sponsored by the lefty activist group Campaign for America's Future here in Washington. At this same conference last year, Sen. Clinton was booed for her position on the war in Iraq. This morning, she was enthusiastically received as she bashed the Bush administration — "a stunning record of secrecy and corruption" — but the crowd became less friendly when, at the end of her speech, she turned to Iraq.

    "We're going to end the war in Iraq and finally bring home the troops," she said as a number of Code Pink protesters stood up in the audience. When she declared, "The American military has done its job," boos began to be heard around the room. As the boos increased, Sen. Clinton raised her voice. "The American military has succeeded," she said, to more boos. "It is the Iraqi government that has failed to make the tough decisions." Still more boos.

    "Sandy "Burglar" was tried, sentenced, and disbarred. Yeah, let off real easy."

    I must have missed this.

    What charges, what court, and what sentence?

    Grammie

    todays game: where the hell are the OW summaries?

    I am advocating the murder of Laura Bush.

    You disrespect America with your stupidity and ignorance.

    No Cecelia, no Johnny $, no Bob Cox, or even Ed? Are they all the same person!?!

    Where is everybody? Have Olby's hitmen found out where Johnny Dollar lives?

    Where is everybody? Have Olby's hitmen found out where Johnny Dollar lives?

    My favorite part of the day is right around 2:00.

    That's when Laura Bush goes back to work farming tobacco or slopping pigs or whatever the fuck he/she does.

    What charges, what court, and what sentence?

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at June 20, 2007 5:15 PM

    Exactly, Janet. Typical uninformed olbyloon. That's what happens when you rely on Olbermahn for "news." He surrendered his licence and paid a mediocre fine to avoid the embarrassment of a trial. A huge injustice by the DOJ. So much for justice......

    Hasn't this site recently bragged that it is back and improved?

    No recaps for almost a week?

    Looks like we'll be seeing that stupid pic of the dead possum again before we know it.

    This site is a joke.,. please just stop it,, Mr Cox have you finally understood your folly ?

    Not a chance, O'Liar!

    Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.
    http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/06/what_do_hmos_an.html

    So I guess Americans have twice as much confidence in Bush as in Congress?

    STALE,

    It doesn't look so good for OW now. Maybe it will become a reality show in the future...

    So, let me understand the logic here.....

    Congressional democrats are now a majority in congress because a majority of the population want immediate withdrawl from Iraq......

    The democratic leadership gave Bush everything he wanted with regards to Iraq despite the clear mandate as described above......

    And now the low approval ratings for the congress is good news for the democrats because this will mean the same leaders who caved on Iraq will be the pool from which our next great leader will come (Senators Clinton and Obama?)....

    "Not a chance this war would end with any of them in the White House."

    ###
    And the top tier candidates from the failed democrat leadership have specific plans to do what with Iraq?.....Withdrawl and?.......

    Ok....I am trying to understand the logic.....

    No real legislation from the dems for the first 6 months of governance....

    promises not kept.....

    and approval ratings LOWER than when the bad ol' repubs ruled.....And this is good news for the democrats?

    Wow, and people say I am a blind partisan....

    And this is my post today, the 1,511th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    The Factor...Just a thought. We arent basing impeachment on Bush's approval ratings...We basing impeachment on his complete lack of competance for the job. Harry Reid's approval rating isnt at 19%, thats the rating for the Congress and last time I checked that consisted of about 99 other people in the senate and another 435 in the House. Bush on the other hand single handedly has about 73% of the country thinking that HE is doing a bad job.

    Would you like some examples that illustrate Bush's incompetance? Im sure you already know them.

    1) Launching a War of Aggression against Iraq when they did nothing to provoke an attack, did not attack us, nor did they have terrorist ties.
    2) "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques"
    3) Suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus
    4) Illegally spying on the citizens of the United States through wire-tapping without a warrant
    5) Violating the Geneva conventions by using a new type of napalm, depleted Uranium, and white phosphorus
    6) Targeting civilians in Iraq during the first phase of our invasion
    7) Negligence for the lives lost on 9/11.
    8) Negligence for the lives lost in Hurricane Katrina, which he happened to be on Vacation during, despite all the warnings it would hit and the warnings that it would be huge.

    and Cee,

    "Congressional democrats are now a majority in congress because a majority of the population want immediate withdrawl
    from Iraq......"

    No, I believe it was a majority of the American population that want withdrawl from Iraq
    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/16156

    Oh yeah, the Iraqi's want us out too...Werent we supposed to be greeted as liberators?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html

    Did I mention Bush in my post?....I thought we were tyalking about the democrat congress' low approval ratings and the silly spin some have to try to pull off to explain it away....

    History will judge the actions of the courts and this congress with regards to the threat that continues to be radical islam. I am confident that short-term political gains by the left will be a foot-note to the outcomes of policy that is being thwarted by a liberal judiciary and leftist ruling elite that has a totally different philosophy from when The United States was successful against fascism and communism in the 1940's.....

    But that is the whole point? Many lost souls have made great inroads into the powerful areas of our federal system to bring about the goals of the radical left....and even if it means hurting the security of the country, that will be okay to them for their ideologic goals are much more important than the lives of their fellow countrymen.....

    And if the current crop of stiff democrats who can't seem to find the courage to stand up to President Bush find traction and get The White House....we will see if they indeed do the same thing this congress did....NOT get us out of Iraq.

    Let's just say I am glad George Bush is there to protect me and my family from the radical left in this country who would ruin this great nation if they had free reign....

    Fidelity to one's friends and allies are values of a once decent democrat party....but no more....instead ideology is now the force that moves this once great institution that brought us great leaders like FDR.

    Night....

    And this is my post today, the 1,511th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR


    These are all established facts, that everyone now sees but the truly lame , Cee.

    Posted by: at June 20, 2007 11:45 PM

    Radical left = common sense? Wow, been drinkin' today? Smokin', too? Is today welfare day? Must be........

    Radical left? Olbermahn and his loons, prime example.

    Health care? Buy some insurance or get a job, quit looking for a handout!

    Meds? Try facing reality for a change and eat healthier. Next?

    What's comical is olbyloons making posts they're too ashamed to put a name to. That says it all. They go hand in hand with the "cut an runners."

    It doesn't look so good for OW now. Maybe it will become a reality show in the future...
    Posted by: Sharon at June 20, 2007 10:39 PM

    I think it already is...in a parallel universe of the subconscious inner workings of Keith Olbermann.

    BTW, what if the "Laura Bush" poster is the REAL Laura Bush...jeez, don't mess with Texas...y'all.

    >Did I mention Bush in my post?....I thought we were tyalking about the democrat congress' low approval ratings and the silly spin some have to try to pull off to explain it away....

    Poor Cee failing to mention the 16% approval rating his 'republican' congress earned in October of 06, much lower than the approval rating congress has now.

    Perspective and context Cee, it won't hurt too much, unless of course you're allergic to the truth, which you seem to be.

    Going from an approval ratings in the teens to an approval rating in the either the 20's and 30's sounds like marked improvement to me and all the others here that can actually interpret numbers.

    Poor Cee...dumber than a suitcase of rocks!

    Chicken Blogger tries and fails again....

    "Poor Cee failing to mention the 16% approval rating his 'republican' congress earned in October of 06, much lower than the approval rating congress has now."


    ###
    My statement...."and approval ratings LOWER than when the bad ol' repubs ruled.....And this is good news for the democrats?"

    Look at the spreads from more than one outlier poll, moron....

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=18

    And you'll see the bad ol' repubs wallowed in the upper 20's to low 30's while the dear valiant dems are approaching the low 20's, and after only 6 months in power....and accomplishing nothing....

    The difference in pathetic approval ratings is a difference without a real world result. My original statement was in the context of s post replying to some idiot (likely the same moronic poster), trying to spin pathetic approval ratings as GOOD for the democrats.

    Spinning approval ratings in the 20's is silly no matter what party has the rating....my post was simply replying to someone trying to reassure themselves that the leftist ruling elite may still save the world from the evil right...even though they have less support than the basement approval president, currently.

    And this is my post today, the 1,512th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    Since the (D)'s were the ones that squandered the money that was put in place to rebuild the levee's that broke which caused NO to flood, they damn well better do something! (D) Governor and a (D) Mayor and the cowards pointed the finger at Bush, pathetic. Evacuation buses parked in the lowest areas, people left to die and it's all Bush's fault! Where was the Mayor and Gov? In other states high and dry! I guess Bush should have been over there holding the levee together with his bare hands, my mistake.

    Why Do...,

    Check the other thread and then you'll understand why your comments are becoming tedious. I spent enough time on just ONE statement! I wouldn't depend on The Raw Story anymore if I were you.

    Sharon, it goes beyond tedious into a paranoid refusal to recognize that the tension and attempts to maximize each branches power between the three branches of our government started in George Washington's first admin and will no doubt continue as long as our Republic survives.

    At different times in our history the power has always waxed and waned between the branches and has always eventually swung back to an equilibrium. The unusually strong Executive Branch that was one legacy of FDR ended abruptly and sharply in the aftermath of Nixon and left us with an unusually emasculated Executive Branch and an unusually strong Legislative and Judicial branches.

    As you noted, the pendulum began to swing back to a more normal balance with Ronaldus Magnificus and has continued in that direction towards a very strong Executive Branch.

    The history of The United States of America did not begin on the day GWB assumed office. But to listen to many that is exactly what happened. No perspective, no context and absolutely no understanding that this is a continuing struggle.

    For all the screeching and howling that The Constitutional Right to Habeas Corpus has been shredded there sure is a lot of high level court activity reviewing and ruling on cases. Al Marri, the flavor du jour, has already had THREE hearings in Federal Courts and will have at least two more at the very highest levels.

    But, what do I know? I have been declared repeatedly that I a lying murderous traitor. What else is there to say other than:

    This is Tokyo Rose's and Lord Haw Haw's Grammie signing off from Gitmo.

    Grammie

    To Wit:

    Carter Approval Rating: 28%

    Bush Approval Rating: 26%

    Nixon Approval Rating: 23%

    Yes, Planet Squawkins (aka Hammy) that pendulum is swinging alright, swinging to an all-time low!

    Swing Low, Sweet Bush Chariot....

    Olbyloon, how's that democratic congress rating holdin' up? Minimum wage and what else? Nothing! Falling every day, right down there with Nixon. Funny how you left that little tid-bit out. I predict it will be in the teens before long.

    Chicken Blogger EXTRAORDINARE, what in the world does that nonsensical non sequitur have to do with the price of beans much less what I said.

    I opined [a good Bill O word, DING :)] about the historical record of the United States of America and our built in from our Constitution mechanisms that has so far protected us from the ascendancy of the passions of the day and any one branch of our government into tyranny. Your response is to post approval ratings of three Presidents in whatever time frame they were. And that means exactly what in your tiny (I can't help myself because you beg for it) little mind?

    You don't have a clue of the genius of our Founding Fathers, do you? That GENIUS was that they recognized and compensated for the foibles and natural inclinations of those in power to grab more power. By diluting the power between three entities we have had that constant tension that has served us well for 200 plus years.

    And your best effort to refute my contentions is nonsensical approval ratings and parodies of religious songs.

    Grammie

    Grammie,

    These anons are so lazy that they can't even reference their own points. I (not you) pointed out the low approval rating of Congress. Cee responded. They are so concerned about individual rights, aren't they? They won't admit that the free exchange of ideas is safeguarded better in our world than theirs.

    Large cut and paste posts from democrat talking points does not erase the fact that no substantive portion of the democrat's election agenda.....removing the troops from Iraq....has occurred....We have been all through this and cutting the funds IS the only way congress could affect the policy and they chose not to do it.....

    Losers, impotent losers, worried about their own power over keeping promises......what pathetic people.

    The rest of the propoganda posted amounts to a hill of fava beans and has no effect on my life and the average guy's life and the pathetic congressional approval ratings prove it.....The democrats are losers and have lower approval ratings than the evil president.....Get over it and move on to something more substanitive. I am.

    And this is my post today, the 1,513th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    Sharon, I had forgotten about the exchange re approval ratings. His response is still nonsensical because it is figures with no time or source references that he slapped together.

    It also is just the same old Tu Quoque fallacy they use to justify everything KO and now the current Congress. Incredibly lazy stupidity.

    If our computers didn't have a copy and paste function they would be reduced to Bush sucks and so do you. Instead they cobble some pundit's ideas together and just add the 'sucks' part on.

    Grammie

    Sharon, I had forgotten about the exchange re approval ratings. His response is still nonsensical because it is figures with no time or source references that he slapped together.

    It also is just the same old Tu Quoque fallacy they use to justify everything KO and now the current Congress. Incredibly lazy stupidity.

    If our computers didn't have a copy and paste function they would be reduced to Bush sucks and so do you. Instead they cobble some pundit's ideas together and just add the 'sucks' part on.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at June 22, 2007 11:31 AM


    Grammie, Cee, Sharon,

    What's particularly ironic about the various chickenbloggers and Why Do You Care What My Cut-n-Paste Is.... is that they've spent the past year writing over-wrought drama queen sentences such as, "When will Grammie, Sharon, and Cee admit the failures of their criminal president!!!!"....ad nauseum...about policies with which they KNOW you AGREE.

    However, when you folks point out a Democrat who is voting in a way they have explicitly found deplorable when done by a Republican... a policy or vote in which they have DISAGREED.... it's all spin, dissembling, "the lesser of two evils-ing" and pundit pasting.

    I'd write some sort of similar "Oh, when will they wake up to...".....sentence in return, but I can't feign the same garment-rending schlock performance.

    I can't pretend to not understand why they act this way. They do it because they're political party groupies and complete rudderless morons.

    Hammie, Cee Monkey, Sharmoron, and Chinchilla

    =

    political party groupies and complete rudderless morons

    I posted.....

    "The rest of the propoganda posted amounts to a hill of fava beans and has no effect on my life and the average guy's life and the pathetic congressional approval ratings prove it.....The democrats are losers and have lower approval ratings than the evil president.....Get over it and move on to something more substanitive. I am."

    Well.....I'm not moving on yet.....

    http://galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946

    June 21, 2007
    Americans' Confidence in Congress at All-Time Low

    "The percentage of Americans with a 'great deal' or 'quite a lot' of confidence in Congress is at 14%, the lowest in Gallup's history of this measure -- and the lowest of any of the 16 institutions tested in this year's Confidence in Institutions survey. It is also one of the lowest confidence ratings for any institution tested over the last three decades."

    So Chicken Blogger and Why, I ask a simple question....

    How does this news help the democrats as you keep claiming?

    My view, if you care, is that the country's malaise will only cause more people wanting a totally different type of leader (like Reagan in 1979....and current poltical hack Senators (ala Clinton and Obama) as well as re-treads (Gore) do not fit the bill.

    1 1/2 years is a long time in politics and I do not even believe we have all of the possible Presidential contenders identified yet.

    >His response is still nonsensical because it is figures with no time or source references that he slapped together.

    Yeah, sort of like your in-vain attempt to compare FDR with Bush (laugh out loud funny!)

    How about you compare the FDR presidency with the Bush presidency side by side in more respects than just one? There's a BIG difference when the citizens you work for approve of what you're doing and when they don't.

    The problem with your style of debate is that you expect everyone to take your word for your weak ideology, but when someone else puts forth something similar, you expect citations ad nauseum. And even when they do, you try to explain it away by claiming 'Bush Derangement Syndrome.'

    Yours is a sliding argument that changes with each idiotic claim you make.

    What exactly would Bush have to do to shake your blind allegiance?

    Hammie, Cee Monkey, Sharmoron, and Chinchilla

    =

    political party groupies and complete rudderless morons

    Posted by: Just because you think you have a rudder, doesn't mean you're not going in circles! at June 22, 2007 12:14 PM


    I'm glad you feel free to use what I write, Going in Circles.

    However, best to be careful about the co-opting lefty pundits thing you guys do. That stuff is likely copywrited or copyrighted...

    Claiming 14% approval ratings are good for your party is an example of being a blinded party groopie.

    I do not agree with the demogogic, fear-filled, apocolyptic rhetoric about George Bush....that does not make me a party groopie....it shows that I am SANE.

    By not accepting the radical left's Kool-Aid about Constitutional crisis, etc, I am one of the majority living my life without fear and exercising my rights to change public policy rationally and calmly.....

    For those who think we have criminals running the executive branch, an illegal war and a Constitution on the brink of coolapse.....they should be out in the streets stopping these calamities (please note that there are only a few crazies doing this and this reflects the veracity of the claims!)

    "Sharmoron" here,

    The problem with your style of debate is that you expect everyone to take your word for your weak ideology, but when someone else puts forth something similar, you expect citations ad nauseum. And even when they do, you try to explain it away by claiming 'Bush Derangement Syndrome.'

    I don't expect anyone to take my word when I am quoting something. I always provide a link. "Why...Is" plagerized an idea from The Raw Story and both The Raw Story editor as well as "Why" didn't bother to see what the person they were relying on really had to say. If you quote or even paraphrase, give the credit where it is due. You don't want to debate anything. You would rather call names and spout lies. I never used the phrase Bush Derangement Syndrome. Hammie, Cee Monkey, Sharmoron, and Chinchilla speak independently of one another. The anon game is cowardly. Use a CONSISTENT unique name. You seem to demand some kind of respect but earn none. You are just too lazy to address people individually.

    Chicken Blogger EXTRAORDINARE,

    "Yeah, sort of like your in-vain attempt to compare FDR with Bush (laugh out loud funny!)"

    You do seem to have a problem with basic comprehension of the written word, don't you? I made no comparison of the specifics of FDR's policies to any other President. I made the statement that FDR was a very strong president and in the history of the see saw nature of the powers claimed and used by the three branches of our Republic and a thumbnail sketch from him through the present.


    "How about you compare the FDR presidency with the Bush presidency side by side in more respects than just one? There's a BIG difference when the citizens you work for approve of what you're doing and when they don't."

    Since you want a comparison here's some. Who was the only President in our history to attempt to usurp the power of the Judiciary by changing the Supreme Court's makeup by claiming the power to appoint seven additional Justices to assure his ground breaking legislative program would get rubber stamp approval? Now that attempt (commonly referred to as 'packing the court') by FDR was a breath taking attempt at a raw power grab by The Executive.

    Interment camps for hundreds of thousands of citizens and legal alien residents (a little known fact it included Germans and other groups) in addition to seizing their property before sending them off, by FDR, of course.

    Of course FDR didn't go as far as sending in Federal troops to quell citizen unrest and opposition to his policies in New York as Lincoln did. Nor did he attempt to seize a steel mill and have the Federal Government run as Truman did.


    "The problem with your style of debate is that you expect everyone to take your word for your weak ideology, but when someone else puts forth something similar, you expect citations ad nauseum. And even when they do, you try to explain it away by claiming 'Bush Derangement Syndrome.' "

    You confuse ideology with historical events. What exactly are you disputing? The fact that FDR (whom I admire greatly for certain things) was a very strong President whose actions left an overall strong position for his successors. Are you disputing that a major aftermath of Watergate was formal weakening of The Executive Branch. Are you disputing that Ronaldus Magnificus began the ongoing shift of power to The Exectutive. Are you disputing that this struggle began in our earliest history and has been a constant struggle between the branches ever since.

    That was what I said. Let me know what you dispute and why and I'll give you some citations. I am not, though, going to write an annotated American History book for you.


    "Yours is a sliding argument that changes with each idiotic claim you make.

    What exactly would Bush have to do to shake your blind allegiance?
    Posted by: Hammy, Cee-Monkey, Sharmoron, and Chinchilla are Political Hacks (and not very good ones at that!) at June 22, 2007 12:22 PM "

    You think I have a sliding argument. Sliding from where to where?

    I said:

    " You don't have a clue of the genius of our Founding Fathers, do you? That GENIUS was that they recognized and compensated for the foibles and natural inclinations of those in power to grab more power. By diluting the power between three entities we have had that constant tension that has served us well for 200 plus years."

    If you dispute that tell me why and we can discuss it.

    By the way, I have lived under eleven presidents and I have had allegiance to them all. Agreement with them all in every way? No. So what's your point?

    Grammie

    Chicken Blogger EXTRAORDINARE, I forgot this comparison to FDR. He never sent the Army as Herbert Hoover did against the Bonus Army, a possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, that I recall.

    Oh and those nasty signing statements that have been used throughout our history by virtually every President. One extra little tidbit for you:

    "A November 3, 1993 memo from the Clinton Justice Department explained the use of signing statements to object to potentially unconstitutional legislation:

    If the President may properly decline to enforce a law, at least when it unconstitutionally encroaches on his powers, then it arguably follows that he may properly announce to Congress and to the public that he will not enforce a provision of an enactment he is signing. If so, then a signing statement that challenges what the President determines to be an unconstitutional encroachment on his power, or that announces the President's unwillingness to enforce (or willingness to litigate) such a provision, can be a valid and reasonable exercise of Presidential authority.[1] "

    The above was from:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statements

    Lots of links there to this subject.

    I personally agree with the above because I favor a strong executive style government. It seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. What do you think?

    Grammie

    Grammie politely asks,

    "What do you think?"

    ###
    Amen, sister.....The courts and legislature may restrain the executive with their CONSTITUTIONALLY enumerated powers, let them have at it. I for one would like to see every president remember the ONLY oath they make is as follows...

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    The oath doesn't pathetically state that he "works" for the people and is supposed to do what a poll says some magic percentage of us wants at any given time.....He is supposed to be president.....A LEADER as The Constitution instructs and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. If the other branches try to change or encroach on his role unconstitutionally, he is right to not follow their instruction.....and it is obvious Bill Clinton thought the same thing when he held the office.

    Thanks for the information, Grammie.

    So to answer the simple question,

    "What exactly would Bush have to do to shake your blind allegiance?"

    He would have to violate his oath of office. No one has presented evidence to me that even comes close to showing George W. Bush has acted outside his enumerated powers or that he has failed to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    In fact, looking out my window at the Manhattan skyine absent the WTC....I think he has done a pretty damn good job with what he was given of 9/11/01.....7 months into his first term.

    And this is my post today, the 1,513th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    Cee, I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer at all to my questions, much less an answer and the basis for the answers.

    Virtually every post seems to boil down to Bush is a lying murderous traitor and so are you. As Sharon said it is getting tedious.

    I miss our dear Major Sheridan Craigs.

    Grammie

    Cee, I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer at all to my questions, much less an answer and the basis for the answers.

    Virtually every post seems to boil down to Bush is a lying murderous traitor and so are you. As Sharon said it is getting tedious.

    I miss our dear Major Sheridan Craigs.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at June 22, 2007 6:16 PM


    Grammie,

    The sky is always falling with our Chicken[little] bloggers...

    Cecelia, haven't you been a regular here at OW since its inception?

    I am puzzled by the lack of regular input from R Cox et al for the last week or so. Do you have any ideas on it? Has it happened before?

    I would really hate to see its demise.

    Grammie

    PS Love the 'Chicken[little] blogger soubriquet. Do you mind if I use it?

    Cecelia, haven't you been a regular here at OW since its inception?

    I am puzzled by the lack of regular input from R Cox et al for the last week or so. Do you have any ideas on it? Has it happened before?

    I would really hate to see its demise.

    Grammie

    PS Love the 'Chicken[little] blogger soubriquet. Do you mind if I use it?

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at June 22, 2007 6:54 PM


    I sure have at OW since its' inception, Grammie. As you and LMAO may have guessed, I have that chistled across the top of my monitor.

    As for Bob, he's involved in all sorts of nefarious blogging-oriented activities and groups around the blogosphere and is also the father of an indeterminable number of children. He stays pretty busy and historically has not been much of a presence here, although we feel his baleful spirit with every click.

    I miss him too when he's gone, but I appreciate that part of his deftness and acumen has been to have entrusted Olbermann Watch to our resident genius Johnny Dollar.

    PS Love the 'Chicken[little] blogger soubriquet. Do you mind if I use it?

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at June 22, 2007 6:54 PM

    I thought I got it from you... :D